questions-2

[charred fog]

maybe if by 'texts' you mean texting

[long whale]

Do people bother with modal particles in texting?

[charred fog]

i guess it would depend on the person

[worthy igloo]

was ist der Unterschied zwischen „nun“ und „naja“?

ich versuche es mehr kleine umgangssprachliche Wörter und Ausdrücke zu benutzen

[shut briar]

So the paraphrase umschreiben is not separable?

[dense sable]

"nun" wird entweder als jetzt Ersatz benutzt (Nun gehe ich in die Küche.) oder als aber/ jedoch "inzwischen hat sich nun herausgestellt, dass …"
Naja ist eher eine unsichere Zustimmung oder ein Zweifel

[tropic forge]

Nun kann aber auch als Ausdruck innerhalb einer Argumentation genutzt werden.
"Das ist sehr teuer!"
"Nun, es gibt auch billigere Alternativen."
Ähnlich wie "well" im Englischen
"Well, there are some cheaper alternatives."

[timid vector]

nope: https://www.dwds.de/wb/umschreiben#2 you can check both tabs to see the different grammar

[worthy igloo]

@dense sable @tropic forge danke schön, das ergibt Sinn ✨

[shut briar]

Sprache und Kultur sind miteinander verknüpft

Macht dieser Satz Sinn?

[viral jolt]

I cleaned my room, during which my sister was in the kitchen with my mom.
ich räumte mein Zimmer auf, (währenddessen?/während?) meine Schwester in der Küche mit meiner Mutter war.

[long whale]

It works, yes.

[long whale]

während (not währenddessen) meine Schwester mit meiner Mutter in der Küche war (location usually comes last, before the verb, if any; in this case, it would sound odd, mentioning the kitchen before the mother).

[viral jolt]

what would währenddessen imply?

[long whale]

You'd just need 2 sentences, so, you have something the "dessen" relates to: Ich räumte mein Zimmer auf. Währenddessen (i.e. during the cleaning up) unterhielten sich meine Schwester und meine Mutter in der Küche (for example).

[desert horizon]

Hallo alles

[long whale]

alles = everything; alle = everyone

[desert horizon]

Ah ok danke bitte

Ich bin neu hier

[long whale]

It's just like in English, I think: you can't put "in the meantime" in the middle of a sentence, can you?

[viral jolt]

1. ich räumte mein Zimmer auf, währenddessen war meine Schwester mit meiner Mutter in der Küche.
2. Ich räumte mein Zimmer auf. Währenddessen unterhielten sich meine Schwester und meine Mutter in der Küche.
   does the first sentence not work only because a comma instead of a fullstop is put before "währenddessen"? I was trying to say the second sentence (relating my sister's act to the act of me cleaning)

[long whale]

Well, wouldn't it look quite odd if you wrote: I cleaned up my room, in the meantime, my sister was in the kitchen with my mother - ?

@viral jolt

[viral jolt]

yes it would, the fullstop (and a new sentence) is indeed necessary

thank you!

[frosty ibex]

Hey everybody that is quite a stupid question, but could somebody please write down what the blue girl with the big hol scissors says at 5:55? i understand kopt hoch and schere bereit but i don't understand the middle part :P

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0DHEF8mxf88

[fervent kernel]

"Kopf hoch, tief durchatmen, Schere bereit!" 🙂

And then "Warum? Meine Schere beißt nicht."

[frosty ibex]

Cheers :D

[broken abyss]

Gute Nacht an alle!
Was passt nicht?
die Festplatte löschen, erstellen oder anschließen?

Im Internet habe ich alle Nutzungen gefunden..

[rocky spindle]

If I want to ask someone if I can come inside their house, whats the difference between these 3 sentences? 1. Darf ich reinkommen? 2. Darf ich hereinkommen? 3. Darf ich eintreten?

[small juniper]

1. Kann/Darf ich reinkommen? basic/standard/informal
2. Feels just wrong (perspective wise) Someone inside might see you coming inside : "sah ihn hereinkommen"
3. formal of 1.

[fleet bridge]

What is the differences between “sich melden” and “melden”

[kind knoll]

Melden means to report, while sich melden means to reach out or be in touch.

[long whale]

Both have various meanings: https://de.pons.com/übersetzung/deutsch-englisch/melden

In a school context, II. 7. is probably the most common.

[coral wadi]

does german have a present continuous or does it just use present simple

and tangentially related, why is it 'ich mache ein Kaffee' but 'ich werde ein Kaffee machen' in terms of word order

[undone verge]

both sentences are wrong (einen Kaffee)

[coral wadi]

yeah i'm not working on declensions yet haha

[undone verge]

as for word order: the conjugated verb in a german 'Hauptsatz' always comes in position 2.

[coral wadi]

i need to understand conjugation i think

[undone verge]

If there is another verb-element (infinitive or p.II) it goes all the way to the end

[coral wadi]

AH!

so will is pushing make to the end

[undone verge]

yeah

[coral wadi]

AMAZING that was the missing key

it's so obvious

thank you

[coral wadi]

so when you say this, you mean... if a verb has been altered due to tense (been conjugated) it goes to position 2?

or changed due to other things too

[undone verge]

right

[coral wadi]

is it just about tense in german?

[undone verge]

the conjugated verb is the 'active' verb in the sentence. It is conjugated according to subject and tense

ich bin, du bist, er ist

[coral wadi]

ah, ok, i am circling ever closer to understanding this

[undone verge]

all conjuagted forms of 'sein' in present

what is your native language?

[coral wadi]

english

[undone verge]

I am, You are, He is <-- conjugations of 'to be' in present
I was, You were, He was <-- conjugations of 'to be' in past

it is pretty much the same in english except that we have more tenses

[coral wadi]

okay, so the word that has been altered as a result of subject/tense goes in position 2. position 2 meaning the same 'slot', regardless of how many words like...

"1[the big brown dog] 2[sleeps]" and "1[he] 2[sleeps]"

[long whale]

Correct.

[coral wadi]

getting it

so when there's another verb phrase, they wouldn't ever go next to each other?

[long whale]

Correct.

(Not sure about "verb phrase", but anyway, the 2nd part of the verb usually comes at the very end of the sentence.)

[coral wadi]

verb phrase to mean 'words that occupy a verb slot'

like 'the big brown dog'

sorry

getting myself

confused

D:

that's a noun phrase

IGNORE ME

[coral wadi]

so... er schlaft -> er wird schlafen makes sense as that follows english grammar. it's when there's a noun acting as an object involved that i get confused i think

in the coffee example

ich mache einen Kaffee
ich werde einen Kaffee machen

mache goes to the end and becomes machen

it goes to the end because of the presence of werde

because werde is becoming the active verb?

[long whale]

i.e. "the conjugated part of the verb", yes.

[coral wadi]

the conjugated part of the verb... the verb that gets conjugated goes to the end, you mean?

werde is the active verb because it isn't being conjugated?

[long whale]

No. German and English are very similar in that respect: it's always He wants to swim = Er will schwimmen, and never, ever, He wants to swims, see?

[coral wadi]

I understand that, though I am not quite there yet with retaining the info

[coral wadi]

i am not quite sure what you meant by emphasising this

does werde become the active verb in 'ich werde einen Kaffee machen"?

I guess my bigger question is how do you know which verb goes to the end and which takes position 2. it's to do with conjugation?

i know this is probably super simple stuff that i'm just not getting

[long whale]

"wants" is called the conjugated form, because of the "s", see? And I chose 3rd person singular (he/she/it), because in English, you just have fewer conjugated forms -> you can't see that in "He can swim", can is the conjugated form, while "swim" is an infinitive.

[coral wadi]

OH OK conjugated kinda means unaffected by tense?

[long whale]

The other way around: conjugated = affected by tense/person

[coral wadi]

what form does "can" take when it is not affected by tense/person?

oh

i understand

that's what yoy're saying

it's the same regardless of person, even though it is conjugated

[long whale]

😅 Yes, exactly.

[coral wadi]

so if the conjugated verb goes to the end when there's more than 1 verb, it would kind of be "he swim can"

but translated obviously

hmm no

[long whale]

That's why English explanations tend to be problematic, unless we use "he/she/it"in present simple as examples, and even then, the problem doesn't go away with verbs like "will" or "can".

[coral wadi]

yeah. i just don't know how to learn this

cos i'm not sure where i am falling short

i don't know what is missing from my understanding

i will watch a video on german tenses maybe

will this put me on the right track do you think?

[long whale]

The conjugated part of the verb can't go to the end, because it needs to be in Pos. 2 in German.

[coral wadi]

oh i keep getting mixed up

i need to be confident in what my conjugated verbs are

conjugated PART of the verb...

ohhhhh

"will make" is being treated as 1 verb?

[long whale]

Yes. Obviously. ;) Because what sense does "I will coffee" make?

[coral wadi]

i see now, but i thought "make" would be the conjugated verb though? something i'm not getting clearly

it goes to the end so it can't be

but mache, machen, machst

affected by person/tense

[long whale]

There are infinitives (to make = machen; to sing = singen) and there are past participles (made; sung), and those are not considered conjugated.

[coral wadi]

infinitives are like.. present simple verbs? or not quite?

thank you so much for answering all my frantic questions btw

[long whale]

No. In English, to show a verb is in infinitive, in its "base form", we add "to": to do, to see, to fry

German infinitives end in -n

[coral wadi]

ok ok that i understand

[long whale]

Great. Brilliant.

[coral wadi]

"Ich spielen eine Spiel"

oh no

it's not

baaaaah

[long whale]

Now, if you take a modal verb (can, must, shall/should, may, etc.), those are the ones which get changed (in German) and go in Pos. 2. The infinitives they're used with go to the end in German.

[coral wadi]

modal verbs! ok

[long whale]

Only 1 verb -> this verb gets conjugated in German: ich spiele

[coral wadi]

okay... when there's 1 verb, it gets conjugated. when there's two, the one that gets conjugated moves to the end

IS THAT IT OH MY GOD

[long whale]

Like "he plays" = er spielt

[long whale]

No, no, no. The unchanged/unconjugated form (infinitive or past participle) goes to the end.

[coral wadi]

oh god

hahah

hang on

[long whale]

Look, the order is the same. Just the position of the 2nd bit is different in German: Er kann sehr gut schwimmen = He can swim very well

[undone verge]

if the concept is very difficult, I would just quit trying to reason through it and instead drill simple sentences (with 1 verb) and then maybe modalverbs.

[coral wadi]

when there's 1 verb, that verb gets conjugated. when there are 2 verbs, the one that would have been conjugated instead doesn't get conjugated, and moves to the end in its unconjugated form

[undone verge]

then you can develop a feel for it rather than playing ping pong with the term conjugated

[long whale]

Yes.

[coral wadi]

i think i am close to understanding if i've got it right here

YES

YESSSS

I UNDERSTAND

THANK YOU SO MUCH

i just have to ask a billion questions

to figure out what i don't understand

[languid karma]

ask away

[languid karma]

that's a good point

[coral wadi]

honestly this was the bit of understanding it needed to nail at this point

to be able to progress

i have written it down

with examples

and can now reference it and work new sentences out with it

i am so excited that this now makes sense

the penny has dropped

god this conversation has been so useful

[narrow pier]

Hello, can someone please correct my text,

Hallo Liebe Mariam,

wie du weißt, letzte Woche habe ich einen Ausflug gemacht. Wir gingen zum Azadi Park und haben einen Grillparty gemacht. Ich fühlte mich nicht so gut ohne dich, denn du immer uns alle zum lachen bringen kann, egal wo wir sind. die einige Sache, die mir sehr gefallen hat, war der Tischtennisspiel.
Ja! du hast das richtig gehört. In dem Park befand sich der schöne Tischtennis, dem immer besitzt war. Schade, dass du nicht dort war, ein spiel miteinander zu machen. Obwohl nicht so viele gut Spieler/innen dort war, hatten wir trotzdem viel spaß. Aber natürlich dachte ich mich immer an dir!

Was hältest du davon, wenn wir uns in einem Cafe treffen? sowohl morgen als auch übermorgen bin ich frei, Außerdem gibt es auch der Wettbewerb zum Tischtennis, den wir miteinander teilnehmen kann. Aber du hast schon viel Uni lernen zu machen. Was hältest du davon, von diese Optionen?
Ich denke das Cafe wäre in Ordnung für dich.

Viele Grüße
Deiner Zhyako

[undone verge]

wie du weißt, habe ich letzte Woche einen Ausflug gemacht. Wir gingen zum Azadi Park und haben eine Grillparty gemacht. Ich fühlte mich nicht so gut ohne dich, denn du kannst uns alle immer zum Lachen bringen, egal wo wir sind. Die einzige Sache, die mir sehr gefallen hat, war das Tischtennisspiel.
Ja! du hast das richtig gehört. Im Park befand sich ein schöner Tischtennistisch, der immer besitzt (<-- I assume you were looking for the word 'besetzt'?) war. Schade, dass du nicht dort warst, um ein Spiel miteinander zu spielen. Obwohl nicht so viele gute Spieler/innen dort waren, hatten wir trotzdem viel Spaß. Aber natürlich dachte ich immer an dich!

Was hältst du davon, wenn wir uns in einem Café treffen? sowohl morgen als auch übermorgen habe ich Zeit. Außerdem gibt es eine Tischtennisturniere, an der wir teilnehmen könnten. Aber du hast schon viel für die Uni zu machen. Was hältst du von diesen Vorschlägen?
Ich denke, das Café wäre in Ordnung für dich.

corrected some grammar and stuff. Can't guarantee I caught everything or that what stands there is idiomatic. ❤️

[narrow pier]

Thank you so much for the correction,

[narrow pier]

and is there no flexibility at this sentence ( wie du weißt, habe ich letzte Woche einen Ausflug gemacht )

[long whale]

No.

[narrow pier]

so ( wie du weißt ) counts as one element, because it can not stand on its own

[steel patrol]

I'm reading this article right now (https://www.zdf.de/nachrichten/panorama/fuenf-jahre-ehe-fuer-alle-100.html) and just below the video there's a direct quote that goes: "Im praktischen Leben hat sich daher durch die Hochzeit nicht viel verändert" - the word order seems a bit, hmm, not standard to me? If I were writing this sentence, I would have porbably switched a few things around and ended up with: "Im praktischen hat sich (das) Leben daher durch die Hochzeit nicht viel verändert". I understand that the original line was said by a native speaker and must therefore be perfectly correct/valid, but I'm just trying to understand why it's been phrased the way it has.

[undone verge]

Im praktischen Leben is one prepositional phrase

in practical life

not much has changed

The subject of the sentence is not life but rather 'nicht viel'

[steel patrol]

Ahh, it does make perfect sense now! Somehow in my head I just split up everything in that sentence very differently. Perfect, thank you. 😄

[little tinsel]

this isnt really a question but i though id ask!
does anyone have any tips for learning? i currently have a notebook and i use multiple different apps, i try to focus on one sentence a week and different versions to the sentence till i master and memorize it. anything for pronouncation or hearing others speak?

[timid vector]

one sentence a week will certainly take decades to become fluent

try beginner programs like nicos weg or check out #resources

[small juniper]

I think consuming content should not be overlooked, even if you don't understand much, you can get a feel for the language.

[little tinsel]

what would you recommend? sometimes writing works easier for me, and i feel if i copy things enough it’ll help?

[timid vector]

faq anki

[stoic mauve]

Anki

What is Anki?

Anki is a free and very versatile flashcard program that is often used for learning new vocabulary. You can import spreadsheets to quickly create your own flashcards, and you can add your own images and audio for highly custom flashcard decks. You can also access and use a wide range of community created and shared flashcard decks all for free*.

Note: Anki uses a method of learning called spaced repetition. Flashcards and spaced repetition are one of many techniques used for language learning. However, we all learn differently and while these methods work for many people, they may not necessarily work for you. Give it a try, but don’t be disheartened if these methods aren’t right for you. Even if flashcards and spaced repetition work for you, don’t forget to incorporate other forms of practice. E.g. try using your new vocabulary to write your own practice sentences.

Where To Get It

It is available here on PC, Mac, Linux, iPhone, and Android. You can also find the browser AnkiWeb version here.

Manually adding basic cards is quite simple, but making custom templates is a bit more complex. Basementality has put together this handy guide for making custom card types and decks. You can also find Anki’s documentation / instruction guide here.

*The iPhone app AnkiMobile costs $24.99 USD on the iTunes store. The Android app and all other platforms are completely free. The mobile browser version of AnkiWeb is still available for free on iPhones.

See the next page for some helpful tips on creating your flashcards.

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[little tinsel]

thank you!! i would, but i haven’t got my paycheck to buy the app.

i could use other apps for flashcards! my struggle is, what should i create the flashcards on?

[timid vector]

it's free on pc and android

if you have a computer

I guess you're using iPhone

you can also just use the mobile webpage version for free

[granite spade]

"Der assonantische „strom“ beginnt vor der Zäsur, den das Satzzeichen markiert" I'm confused by the "den". What is den referring to, den strom? I'd have thought it would be die in reference to Zäsur

[timid vector]

the word is marked by the punctuation, not the caesura

a caesura can't be marked by punctuation, it is just a break in lines

or rather the string of words

@granite spade

[granite spade]

I mean grammatically, what is den referring back to?

[timid vector]

the storm of words

it's metaphorical

[granite spade]

Why can't it? Caesuras are often marked by commas

[timid vector]

a caesura in classical poetry is defined as being punctuated so it would be dumb to mention it again; in more contemporary works it's rarely punctuated

in german the "den" makes it clear that it was not the target

[granite spade]

Well classical poetry didn't have our punctuation

but not to get sidetracked

Das Satzzeichen markiert den Strom

to me makes no sense in the context of the sentence grammatically

[timid vector]

it would be beneficial to us both if you could post what this is describing

[granite spade]

Perhaps a native speaker can say if it makes sense or whether it's a typo and should be die

sorry, sure

'Die Aufforderung „Hinaus zum strom!“ setzt durch den Anschluß „wo stolz die hohen rohre“ um, was sie als poetologische Aussage proklamiert, und dies mit und zugleich gegen die Sprache. Der assonantische „strom“ beginnt vor der Zäsur, den das Satzzeichen markiert.'
Steffen Martus, Werkpolitik p. 535

I'm thinking it's a typo and should be die: 'Der 'strom' beginnt vor der Zäsur, die das Satzzeichen markiert.'

[long whale]

Yup, I agree.

[scenic sun]

Quick question ** Er hält die Ereignisse für Teufelszeug** will it have the same meaning if i used empfinden ** Er empfindet die Ereignisse als Teufelszeug**

[long whale]

No.

To us, "to take sth for sth" is definitely not the same as "to feel sth", even though it means the same in English.

[scenic sun]

but instead Betrachten als is useable in this case like halten für yeah?

[long whale]

Yes, that works.

[scenic sun]

Alright, thanks for the help

[little tinsel]

whats the difference between "ich weiß es nicht" and "ich weiß nicht"

[undone verge]

both are fine. I think technically 'Ich weiß es nicht' is more correct, but in the everyday language you will here 'ich weiß nicht' a lot

[little tinsel]

thank you!

[pure walrus]

Was ist besser, wenn ich Konjuktiv II benutzen muss: (würde + infinitiv) oder (Verbform des Konjunktiv II)

Was benutzt man in der Umgangssprache?

[timid vector]

it depends on the verb

[long whale]

"die Günthers" = subject -> the verb gets conjugated according to the subject

Totally, I'm afraid.

What do you think "die Günthers" means?

Yup. Like "the Smiths", i.e. all the members of a family called Smith, resp. Günther.

the Smiths = you all/y'all - ??

Reading the above again... it is clear that "the Smiths/Günthers" = they (not ihr/y'all), right? slightly worried

No, you didn't. ;) You're talking about the Günthers, not to them -> sie/they, not Sie/formal you

[fervent kernel]

are there any americans that have moved to germany in here? Im trying to move and was wanting to speak with someone

[sage tendon]

#archived-culture-study-visa

[steel patrol]

I'm watching a silly animated series (with DE and EN subtitles both on), and in it the main character calls her little sister "eine Klette" very often - over the past hour or so I've heard it about 20 times if not more, yet each time they've somehow managed to come up with a new translation for it. While I know that she's basically just calling her something annoying, if someone could provide me with a generally accepted meaning that would be great.

[timid vector]

it means they're clingy or needy ig a leech

it comes from these which stick to you

[steel patrol]

Ach so, alles klar! Danke.

[thick geyser]

How would I begin learning german? because I just look up phrases and stuff in german and practice it. I dont know if I am doing it rightHow would I begin learning german? because I just look up phrases and stuff in german and practice it. I dont know if I am doing it right

[timid vector]

">faq beginner" #botchannel

also don't ask in multiple channels on this server please

[strong tide]

Duolingo

[frosty ibex]

Hey everybody, i'd like to know if a phrase that a caracther says is a play of words aswell (as it is in the english version). In the english version she says something along the lines of "ever heard about the bad man who tried to catch the doll? He missed" (where she pronounces missed as mistd, a play on word with the word mist/ fog, which is very important to her caracther). Is she doing the same in german? I can understand that she says something with Nebel at the end (sadly the italian version cant help me cause she says something totally different 😕).

https://youtu.be/qvdyw-u4FRc

The phrase is at 0:43 :D

[undone verge]

yeah she says 'er war benebelt'

Nebel = fog (mist)

but benebelt means like dizzy/foggy (in the head)

@frosty ibex

[frosty ibex]

Thank you very much

[scenic sun]

Hello, help required!

** Nachdem ich das Stipendium beendet habe, konnte einer meiner Freunde aus einer anderen gruppe eigine Teile der Prufüng kennen, und er fragte mich, ob ich ihm helfen kann, diese Teile zu lösen, was ich sofort abgelehnt habe**

i wanna say that after i finished my scholarship one of my friends from another group managed to leak some parts of the exam and asked me to help him answering them which i instantly refused.

what do you think of it should i change anything, do you have any other proper way to write it? looking forward for opinions

[stiff basin]

where is the nicht nd ihn=him

[sage tendon]

Where do you mean?

[whole portal]

Yeah I don't get it either

[scenic sun]

i mistakenly wrote it him instead of ihm

cuz i was typing so fast

[scenic sun]

i fixed it now i didn't pay attention to it as i was writing so fast

so what do you think?

[whole portal]

Still, what's the sentence supposed to mean

[scenic sun]

i just explained directly after the sentence

https://prnt.sc/uB0SXWB71upB

[whole portal]

nicht nd

[scenic sun]

huh

[whole portal]

The other guy

[scenic sun]

ah okay

so do you have any comment on mine?

[whole portal]

Well yeah I don't get what you're trying to say in the middle part

[scenic sun]

which part exactly

[whole portal]

"konnte einer meiner Freunde aus einer anderen gruppe eigine Teile der Prüfung kennen"

[scenic sun]

one of my friends from another group managed to leak some parts of the exam

this one i had a huge doubt while building it tbh

[scenic sun]

@long whale sorry for pinging, whenever you have 1~2 mins lemme know in here if you don't mind

[viral jolt]

you should just ask the question and they'll reply when they have time. most efficient that way

[timid vector]

also I'm pretty sure I've seen Susana say they don't correct full texts

[undone verge]

original: konnte einer meiner Freunde aus einer anderen gruppe eigine Teile der Prufüng kennen, und er fragte mich,

my tentative suggestion: hat einer meiner Freunde einige Fragen aus der Prüfung weitergegeben und mich gefragt, ob…

[long whale]

Yes...?

It isn't still about this exam thing, is it?

[long whale]

Nachdem mein Stipendium ausgelaufen war, gelang es einem meiner Freunde aus einer anderen Gruppe, sich Teile der Prüfung anzueignen, und er bat mich, ihm bei der Beantwortung [dieser Prüfungsfragen] zu helfen, was ich sofort abgelehnt habe.

(I suppose the bit about the scholarship refers to something I don't understand.)

@scenic sun

[undone verge]

deutsche Untertitel ______ mit/zu dem Ton _____
passen zu
stimmen mit X überein
oder geht beides?

[scenic sun]

yeah it's sry i wasn't there and sry for pinging eitherway but i was kinda in hurry

[scenic sun]

didn't pay attention to that and it's not a full sentence correct i just wanted a double check as regarding to what i studied formal it seems correct but somehow natives don't get it so i wanted to be guided about it

[scenic sun]

Well Susana helped me a lot so i just wanted to get her help that's why i pinged her to answer whenever she can and i also apologized to her

[scenic sun]

Sprachstipendium prüfung that's what i meant so far but i used Just Stipendium as an abbreviation

and of course thanks for help !

[long whale]

Both, probably.

[scenic sun]

i appreciate your reply, will just consider your answer and look more about it.

[coral wadi]

so i am reading a simple german story and found this sentence:

"Ich habe noch keine Arbeit gefunden, aber ich habe nicht wirklich gesucht."

My question is about "aber" vs. "sondern"

I learnt (whether rightly or wrongly) that "aber" comes after 'positive' clauses (clauses with no nicht/keine present), and sondern comes after 'negative' clauses (clauses that contain nicht/keine) and functions more like "rather/instead" (like... "I haven't slept, instead I stayed up all night")

however, here there is quite clearly an "aber" following a clause containing "keine"... but the clause it links ALSO contains "nicht"

is it "aber" because both clauses contain something 'negative' (keine and nicht respectively)? Or am I just wrong about it all?

[long whale]

I haven't found any work yet. But then, I haven't really looked [either].

-> You're right. (And that's what the 👍 refers to)

[coral wadi]

excellent thanks

[scenic sun]

does Durchsickern lassen means to leak in term of secrets and so on? or just verraten?

[long whale]

2 here: https://www.dwds.de/wb/durchsickern -> durchsickern lassen = to let sth be known

[scenic sun]

well i'm kinda confused tbh or maybe cuz i'm sleepy but in terms of info as well would it consider as leaked? or means that someone let him know the info

[tacit quarry]

@scenic sun hey u tryn develop ur german?

[scenic sun]

the edit you created or probably the full sentence i'm trying to work it out my own and come out with new vocabulary so i changed sich Teile der prüfung anzueignen to Teile der prüfung durchsickern zu lassen

[scenic sun]

we all do

[tacit quarry]

ich suche eine freund or freund group um deutsch zu lernen

ich muss weil ich in deutchland studieren werden

meine deutsch level ist a2

[long whale]

Seems rather weird to me. I feel "etwas durchsickern lassen" only works if the info/knowledge is yours to spread. So, if your friend was a professor, it would work.

[scenic sun]

die leute führen täglich ein langes gespräch im voice, du kannst an diesem gespräch teilnehmen

[tacit quarry]

aber alle groups sind locked

wie kann ich join

[long whale]

The way I understood your text, your friend stole the info. That's why I used "sich etwas aneignen" (which is a... tactful way of saying "stole" in the context)

[scenic sun]

but if that friend leaked an info that doesn't belong to me it wouldn't fit yeah? as i looked for to leak and that's what i got

[scenic sun]

so i wouldn't translate it just like English** he managed to leak**

[plain umbra]

faq Limited Permissions

[stoic mauve]

How to join Voice Chat

Please read the [Roles section](#getting-started message) in #getting-started for info on how to join VC and more!

[scenic sun]

du kannst #850404908946423828 ansehen

[plain umbra]

They're referring to the voice channels so they need to read #getting-started .

[serene wing]

If we talk about to leak we mainly say etwas aufdecken which still has the term of giving information you should not give

[scenic sun]

well that's if someone gave it to him, not that he stole it or got it himself i guess

[timid vector]

are you talking about like Edward Snowden

[serene wing]

you could call his actions a leak, yes

[scenic sun]

exactly

[timid vector]

I'm aware what he did in english lmao I'm contextualizing his question

in case aufdecken wouldn't work there

[scenic sun]

his action is considered leak the actual meaning that i'm trying to reach

nor durchsickern lassen i guess

so i guess what susanna said was the most correct one

[long whale]

To my mind, "aufdecken" implies scandal, so, no. IMO, it wouldn't work with an exam.

[scenic sun]

what do you also think of this. ** Es gab keine bestimmte Methode, aber ich war gezwungen, diese Gewohnheit zu verändern, um die besten Ergebnisse zu bekommen**

[tacit quarry]

why i still cant join to the study rooms

[scenic sun]

#getting-started read it carefully

[tacit quarry]

what should i do

[timid vector]

fwiw in his wikipedia article they just use "an die Washington Post verschickt und die Geschichte öffentlich gemacht"

[long whale]

Check gender of "Gewohnheit". Frankly, doesn't make much sense to me, meaning-wise. Grammar-wise, it's fine - if you correct the above.

[scenic sun]

once again instead of typing diese , i wrote dises out of the rush

my bad i know that it's FEM.

[scenic sun]

that means that he made it open to the public as i understand

but in terms of my text he leaked the exam to himself

[timid vector]

yeah that's right

[serene wing]

technically, yes

[timid vector]

doesn't have the connotation of "bad"

[scenic sun]

so simply aufdecken won't work as susanna stated

[timid vector]

what do you actually even mean by leaked it to himself

[scenic sun]

sich etwas aneignen seems the only verb fits it

[timid vector]

how do u leak something to yourself

[scenic sun]

leaked a copy of exam to oneself

[timid vector]

that doesn't make sense

[scenic sun]

stole it in otherwords

[long whale]

Rather relieved. That's what I'd been wondering.

[timid vector]

to leak is to "intentionally disclose"

[scenic sun]

it's like he stole it or smth

[timid vector]

yeah I get what you're trying to say now, but I think the issue is arising from you trying to translate "to leak" when "to leak" doesn't even work in this context in english

[scenic sun]

would räuben or stehlen works?

but stealing would work in my opinion if he got the whole exam

not parts of it if you can get what i mean

[timid vector]

steal the answer key

or smth

[long whale]

*rauben - no (that's got an implication of violence).

[timid vector]

well, maybe

[scenic sun]

sich etwas aneignen is the most suitable one i assume

[timid vector]

[long whale]

"stehlen"... meh. It's kind of an official word.

To me, it implies... police. Reports. Legal consequences.

[scenic sun]

well that's why i eliminated it, i thought of them as so formal actually not to be used in this case

[timid vector]

klauen?

[scenic sun]

anyway you explained everything, i appreciate your help and sorry for bothering.

@timid vector thanks buddy btw.

[scenic sun]

to swipe? i guess it has that meaning

[serene wing]

klauen is to steal

[timid vector]

yes it's just a more colloquial word for stealing

than stehlen

[serene wing]

yup

[timid vector]

ich habe den Lösungsschlüssel geklaut

meinem Professoren

[long whale]

*meinem Professor (no -en)

[timid vector]

oh I thought it was weak for some reason

[serene slate]

geraubt, nee entführt.... geraubt.... entführt

[coral wadi]

the problem i'm coming up against is that i translate things too literally in my head. "i live in a WG, short for shared flat. that means i live shared with other people" nobody says they 'live shared' but i am not good at automatically thinking of the 'normal' synonym that would go in that place

also relating to my previous question about the helping verb 'do' and how it is missing in German... i seem to find 'machen' fills that gap sometimes. Ich mache Übungen. and "Ich mache Hausaufgaben". because "I make exercises" and "I make homework" doesn't really work... but "I do exercises" and "I do homework" do make sense. Or is "machen" closer in this context to "work on/build"?

[charred fog]

machen can mean to do or to make

[undone verge]

machen is kinda just found in a few of those 'fixed' phrases. It doesn't replace the english 'do' in the sense of present continuous, rather acts like the english word 'do' when you are doing a thing

[charred fog]

well it seems you do understand what it means so don't worry about translating

[coral wadi]

ah yes, the difference between do as helping verb and do as the active verb

[coral wadi]

thanks

[storm gyro]

Können mir jemand sagen,im welche Zeit diese Satz ist?Was geschieht mit mir?

Kann*

[patent knoll]

Was geschieht mit mir? ist in Präsens

[fervent hollow]

Ist dieser Satz grammatikalisch richtig? "Wir werden analysieren was hat ihn dazu gebracht, diese grausame und scheußliche Verbrechen zu begehen"

[timid vector]

was ihn dazu gebracht hat, dieses*

[fervent hollow]

Ah, sollte das bemerkt

Danke schön

[viral jolt]

it'd be hätte das bemerken sollen btw, if you want to say "should've noticed that"

[nimble viper]

#writing

[narrow pier]

Ok

[fervent hollow]

Neat

[reef moss]

Wir werden analysieren**,** was ihn dazu gebracht hat, diese grausamen und scheußlichen Verbrechen zu begehen.

However, I would use 'abscheulich' instead of 'scheußlich'. I've never heard 'scheußlich' in this context, but that's a better question for natives

[long whale]

"scheußlich" works fine, IMO. Seems a bit of a tautology to me, though, whichever one you use.

[scenic sun]

Hello i've a question
Ich versuche, diese Gewohnheit zu ändern . can i replace Versuche with any of the following verbs and it will still work in here? verführen,
probieren, verleiten, locken, degustieren, abschmecken

also is there any recommendation for a book or a website where i can find alternatives for a verb or a word?

[delicate tiger]

"probieren" ja, die anderen nein

[long whale]

DWDS also has a thesaurus: https://www.dwds.de/wb/versuchen

Just scroll down.

[scenic sun]

i got these actually from dwds but it seems to be used in different cases

[long whale]

That's why you get different groups of synonyms. The one you chose doesn't work. You'd have needed the 4th.

[scenic sun]

i didn't get the last part actually ** You'd have needed the 4th**

you mean this tho https://prnt.sc/ksbxdiylbPrA

i mean as Hilarous Present said i can just use probieren in here, so i gotta read an explanation for each of them to get when to be used

[long whale]

Yup. The one which starts with "(den) Versuch unternehmen"

[scenic sun]

Ich habe den Versuch unternommen, diese Gewohnheit zu ändern.

makes sense now to me

i would actually change my name to JImmy(B1-Thank Susana for the help) lel

you helped alot recently, i appreciate this

[tropic thistle]

if you need a translation gloss for some reason, "together with" seems appropriate

[nimble viper]

Was gehört in den Restmüll ; Warum ist 'in' mit dem Akkusativ benutzt worden?

Bzw. Warum gehörte etwas nicht eher im Restmull ?

[south zenith]

hast du einen Übersetzer benutzt? ich bin kein Muttersprachler also bin mir auch nicht sicher aber ich hab das Gefühl, dass beides geht.
natürlich Muttersprachler, korrigiert mich falls ich falsch liege

ich wurde korrigiert

[timid vector]

gehören in etwas is accusative 🤷

you can find examples in both duden and dwds

[tropic thistle]

Part of the framing is that when you are asking yourself which trash can you should put something into, you're usually not asking about the (stationary, in + Dativ) position — you're asking about the right (motion towards, in + Akkusativ) destination

[nimble viper]

Thanks

[narrow pier]

Hallo Leute,
Was ist das Symbol?

[viral jolt]

it's not exclusively a german symbol; it's usually used to denote "law numbers". so SS (that weird symbol)35 probably indicates the 35th rule/law of the govt./some company.

[tame beacon]

§="Paragraph"

[narrow pier]

So in that vedio, what does it imply? I can not understand it, I have seen it so many times, and could not really look it up

[tame beacon]

Also "Paragraph 35 der STVO" (Strassenverkehrsordnung glaub ich)

[tame beacon]

It just tells you where exactly it's written in the STVO

[narrow pier]

Oh, its refering to a law, or something like that, Thank you so much,

[tame beacon]

Yes

[narrow pier]

Do those laws exist in an official website, a government website? And also my German teacher told me, that The German Parlament are constantly, every day making new rules, if you are in Germany, you have to like know every rule right?

[tame beacon]

I don't live in Germany, but I think it's nearly impossible to know every single rule or law

And as far as I know, the parliament just discusses some random things and pretends to apply changes to them.😂

I don't know if they're actually doing something

[narrow pier]

😂

[narrow pier]

Ok thank you

[winter orbit]

ist diese Satz richtig ? Seine Vater hatte einen Krebs als Lucy ein Kind war und wurde den Krebs von den Ärzten ausrotten. Deswegen will Lucy wie diese Helden werden.

[south zenith]

Seine Vater hatte ~~einen ~~Krebs als Lucy ein Kind war und ~~wurde ~~ der Krebs wurde von den Ärzten ausgerottet. Deswegen will Lucy wie diese Helden werden.

Sein Vater hatte Krebs als Lucy ein Kind war und der Krebs wurde von den Ärzten ausgerottet. Deswegen will Lucy wie diese Helden werden

(im not a native speaker so if i also made a mistake, sag Bescheid)

though if your talking about Lucy's father, then it would be 'Ihr Vater'

[unique sparrow]

Du sprichst von Lucys Vater, oder? Wenn ja, dann passt „seine“ hier nicht. Ihr Vater hatte Krebs.

Als Lucy noch ein Kind war, hatte ihr Vater Krebs. Der Krebs konnte mithilfe/dank der Ärzte besiegt werden. Deshalb möchte Lucy wie diese Helden werden.

= When Lucy was a child, her father had cancer. The cancer was defeated with the help of doctors. That's why Lucy wants to become like these heroes.

Der letzte Satz gefällt mir irgendwie nicht

Ich weiß ungefähr, was du sagen willst, aber ganz klar ist es mir nicht

I understand this to mean that Lucy wants to be a doctor because doctors have cured her father's cancer in the past, but somehow that's not a logical conclusion for me. Is it meant that she wants to save/help people because her father was helped?

In this case, I would find something like that better: Deshalb möchte Lucy auch Leben retten. (That's why Lucy also wants to save lives.) However, you wrote that her father had cancer when she was a child, so she seems to be an adult now, or at least older. That's why I don't think the statement fits in terms of time.

[winter orbit]

ok, alles klar viele danke für deine Antwort

[winter orbit]

danke schön

[narrow pier]

Hallo,
nachdem ich aufgestanden bin, habe ich mir die Zähne geputzt

Kann ich der Satz wie dies umformulieren?

Nachdem ich aufgestanden bin, habe ich meine Zähne geputzt

Warum wir dativ Objekt im ersten satz benutzt? Grammatisch sehen?

[coral wadi]

Can this also be translated into "how often do you do sport?"

"doing sport" and "exercising" are different things

[long whale]

You version is just not something we would say. 🤷

[long whale]

German doesn't have a word for "to exercise", it's just "Sport treiben" or "Sport machen"

[coral wadi]

Hmm... To me sport includes things I wouldn't class as "exercise". There's really no word to distinguish between playing sport-games and moving your body for health?

[patent knoll]

trainieren, vielleicht 🤷‍♀️ that's what I typically hear when people mean "working out"

[coral wadi]

So Sport machen can also mean doing sport for fun, not for exercise

[shut briar]

Can bestätigen be used as validating someone's feelings?

Or I feel validated

[patent knoll]

I think so. after a short search I found both bestätigen/Bestätigung and validieren/Validierung

[long whale]

Yes.

[shut briar]

Thanks 👍

[narrow pier]

Ja ok, ich habe es begriffen

Danke

[narrow pier]

I have used trainieren for doing exercises, is that uncommon?

[long whale]

Frankly, I don't know. "trainieren" is what professional and semi-professional athletes do, to prepare themselves for competitions. 🤷

[narrow pier]

Oh yeah ok, but I mean " Ich trainiere" in the sense of any normal exercise, like if it would be some workout vedio, if it would be lifting weights,

[cold iris]

I posted this meme in media and understand what it says but I don't know why it says "die meinen" before "Urgroßvater..." on the third line. Shouldn't it be just "mein"?

[tame beacon]

Akkusativ von mein->meinen

und "die" ist ein Relativpronomen

[cold iris]

yeah i went to the bathroom after posting this and instantly realized the haben goes with the die, referring the the streets

[tame beacon]

no, "die" is refering to "Krater"

[cold iris]

oh wait yeah

that makes more sense

danke

[tame beacon]

"Die Krater, die (welche) meinen Urgrossvater gestört haben"

[delicate tiger]

<@&305455824174710787>

[cold iris]

lol

[tame beacon]

<@&305455824174710787> -.- noch so einer

Danke sehr!

[cold iris]

When the verb goes to the end of a clause my brain likes to forget which thing it pairs with

[tame beacon]

yeah, it's difficult

[scenic sun]

Hello, just wondering if there is smth in correct? trying to build some sentences as i'm practicing writing.
als ich 21 Jahre alt war, hatte ich die Möglichkeit, Englisch zu lernen,
aber ich interessierte mich damals nur für Computerspiele,
also ich habe das Englischlernen absichtlich übergesehen, aber das habe ich nach ein paar Monaten ausgemerzt,
indem ich ein bisschen Englisch gelernt und die Sprache mit meinen Freunden beim Spielen geübt habe

is there also any words to be changed into advanced level word? Synonym i mean.

[long whale]

Word order is wrong after "also" (... also habe ich...). übergesehen is plain wrong, both grammar- and vocab-wise. Use "vernachlässigen" instead. "ausmerzen" = to exterminate -> not even sure what you're trying to say.

[unique sparrow]

I'm not sure from the part about learning English either, what exactly you're trying to say. The sentence is also way too long. You should end the sentence after „Computerspiele“ and start a new sentence. This could start like this: Aus diesem Grund habe ich ... / Deshalb habe ich ...

[long whale]

On a more general note, the fact that interminable sentences can be constructed in German doesn't mean it's a good idea. ;)

[unique sparrow]

Suggestion: Als ich 21 Jahre alt war, hatte ich die Möglichkeit, Englisch zu lernen, aber ich interessierte mich damals nur für Computerspiele, weshalb ich die Möglichkeit nicht wahrgenommen habe. Nach ein paar Monaten habe ich dann doch ein bisschen Englisch gelernt und die Sprache mit meinen Freunden beim Spielen geübt.

= When I was 21 years old, I had the opportunity to learn English, but I was only interested in computer games at that time, so I didn't take the opportunity. After a few months, I did learn a little English and practiced the language with my friends while playing games.

[scenic sun]

ausmerzen shows to work smth out / to edit was looking for a synonym for lösen

[long whale]

That... no. Where on earth did you find that? I'm quite curious now.

[scenic sun]

i edited it

lösen synonym what i meant

lemme get it sec

[long whale]

Still quite mystified. Look: https://de.pons.com/übersetzung/deutsch-englisch/ausmerzen

[scenic sun]

https://prnt.sc/pzK5OX7VB-Qw

https://www.dwds.de/wb/lösen

[long whale]

But it says (Fehler) ausmerzen, i.e. to eliminate errors.

[scenic sun]

oh i got you as i translated it to another language it showed that it's a problem solving that's why i used it

also isn't absichtlich übergesehen means is synonym to ignorieren?

[long whale]

The past participle of "übersehen" is "übersehen". And it means "to overlook (intentionally or not), to miss" -> it simply doesn't work.

[scenic sun]

keines Blickes würdigen might work? is it means never look at smth/sb

[long whale]

Yes, correct, but because you despise it so much/feel you're so far above it.

[scenic sun]

ah got this one already

[long whale]

BTW, I made what I consider to be an excellent suggestion.

[scenic sun]

i'm listening

[long whale]

-> I told you what to use instead of "übersehen/übergesehen"

[scenic sun]

oh i thought you meant it won't work but not the conjugation is incorrect

also, ich konzentriere mich nur auf die arbeit i tried to replace it with another synonym ich lasse mich nicht von der Arbeit ablenken

it means I do not get distracted from work, idk if that works in german or not actually

[long whale]

Yes, that works.

[scenic sun]

Alright thanks, i appreciate your help as always, and sorry for bothering as i'm getting ready for an exam and trying to get ready for the writing section.

[long whale]

That's fine, and you're welcome. Word to the wise: the examiners will be deliriously happy to see you use correct grammar (which they tend to get very, very little of) -> it's far, far better to use a "normal" verb you know is appropriate and can use correctly than to use elaborate synynoms which may or may not be entirely appropriate. Trust me, I say this with your best interests at heart.

[scenic sun]

i did that actually few days ago and he commented why you are using Versuchen quite often

i was like okay, it still gives the meaning

that's why i'm trying to get advanced meanings to avoid that

that's why i asked for versuchen synonyme 2 days ago

still working on the sheet so far plenty of them are done and the rest still to be edited so i might drop some later if i got stucked into

[unique sparrow]

Da fehlt sicher ein Wort

rund um den Globus

[timid vector]

I think they forgot the "Globus" -> rund um den Globus

[long whale]

Please don't post the same thing in various channels. People may not realize a question has been answered elsewhere -> waste of time and effort. :)

[humble granite]

Ja, ich verstehe es... Aber ich habe sehr Angst daruber meine TestDaF Prüfung... Könnten Sie mir darüber mein TestDaF Prüfung beraten...

[long whale]

The best advice is probably to read, read, read, listen, listen, listen. There's also VC if you want to talk.

[humble granite]

VC?

[long whale]

voice chat

Check the channels on the left: #voice-chat and #voice-chat-2

(If you're new here, you may have to wait a few minutes until you can join.)

@humble granite

[humble granite]

Okay Dankeschön Frau Susanne

[long whale]

I understand you're being polite, but Frau Susanne doesn't work in German. It's either just "Susana" or "Frau [last name]"

[charred harbor]

Danke schön, Frau Last Name.

[scenic sun]

There are some TestDAF examples on the internet along with answering them you need to practice both writing, listening and reading

[granite spade]

“Ja, der Mann lässt sich gern blenden
Und das müssen wir verwenden,
Dürfen Schönheit nicht verschwenden,
Ist das nicht ein hübscher Krieg?”

Is that Dürfen grammatical?

[long whale]

It's poetry (sort of) -> they dropped the "wir" which ought to have preceded "dürfen". Come to think of it, an "und" would have worked as well... 🤔

At any rate, you wouldn't use this kind of construction in an exam. But in lyrics/poetry, this kind of thing is not unusual.

[granite spade]

Yeah I see what you mean - I hadn’t properly read it and noticed the wir in the previous line

[shut briar]

Versteht jemand hier Hindi? Wenn etw unverständlich ist, sagt man auf Hindi, dass es außer Verständnis ist. Gibt es einen ähnlichen Spruch auf Deutsch?

Ich hab ein Gefühl dass es so etwas gibt

[long whale]

The only thing which occurs to me is "sich jemandes Verständnis entziehen": Das entzieht sich meinem Verständnis (I can't understand/comprehend this)

[timid vector]

Ich verstehe nur Bahnhof?

[long whale]

Sure, or "böhmische Dörfer" except they're both colloquial, and it didn't sound to me as if this was the kind of thing OP was looking for. 😄 Oh, come to think of it, there's also "jdm ein Rätsel sein"

[fleet bridge]

“Während die Franzosen ab 1600 vor allem auf Handel aus sind” How can this be translated and what is the role of “aus” in this?

[long whale]

The verb is "auf etwas aussein", and it means something like "to be keen on something", "to have something as your aim/goal", "to be focussed on sth"

[fleet bridge]

Ic thanks a lot

[storm gyro]

Soll ich sagen: ich glaube das ist nicht wichtig oder ich glaube das nicht wichtig ist

[long whale]

Ich glaube**,** das ist nicht wichtig.

[storm gyro]

Oh okay dankeschön

[long whale]

*Danke schön. - Bitte, gern. :)

[junior flame]

There was this expression: "mit dessen Einverständnis"
I have learnt "dessen" only in context of relative sentences. So what are the other uses of dessen?

[long whale]

There are 2 tabs here, the 1st is for "dessen" as a demonstrative pronoun: https://www.dwds.de/wb/dessen#1. The second is for "dessen" as a relative pronoun. ;)

[junior flame]

Bt there are instances where we could simply use possessivepronomen (sein, ihr) but they have used "dessen" instead.
So where can we interchange them?

[long whale]

It's more about when not to use possessives like sein, ihr. When you have a sentence like "Mike sprach mit Tom und seinem Sohn", then we can't know whose son we're talking about, right? Might be Tom's son, might be Mike's -> Mike sprach mit Tom und dessen Sohn -> we know it's Tom's son.

In a case like the above, since there is a way of avoiding misunderstandings, you'd have to use "dessen". Otherwise, it's just a stylistic choice - "dessen/deren" is considered rather more formal.

[shut briar]

This one's really nice. I'll use it, thanks!

[shut briar]

Is Rätsel one colloquial too?

[long whale]

No, that one isn't.

[junior flame]

Alles klar, Dankeschön!!😊

[storm gyro]

What does schien means ?

[tame beacon]

Präteritum von scheinen

[long whale]

-> verbformen.de

[coral wadi]

can someone explain to me how a noun can be nominative? i am watching a video that explained what nominative means but then explained that there are some verbs that are always nominative?? the examples he gave were 'sein' 'werden' 'heißen' and 'bleiben' but i don't understand how they are always nominative - so that makes me wonder whether i understand nominative at all

does it just mean you don't put an article after them?

[long whale]

It's not that verbs "are" a case (Nominativ or any other). Verbs require a case. And with those verbs they mentioned, it just so happens that they require Nominativ: Er (Nominativ) ist ein guter Arzt (Nominativ), not einen guten Arzt (which would be Akkusativ). Does that help?

[coral wadi]

so any noun that follows one of those verbs would be nominative, even if it's not the subject?

[long whale]

Correct! Excellent! That's exactly what it means. :)

[coral wadi]

okay thank you!

i have no idea how i will remember the cases 😩

[charred fog]

I mean the vast majority of verbs are pretty simply accusative

[coral wadi]

it's more the nouns

remembering all the changes

[charred fog]

like articles?

[coral wadi]

yeah

[charred fog]

you see them in practically every sentence so you get very used to them over time

and it feels natural

[coral wadi]

i am kind of doubtful of that happening for me for some reason

yeah, i was thinking of doing that but my brain is being very resistant to putting in the effort of collecting masculine nouns together to use for them

[steel patrol]

Hello, I'm doing my normal daily exercises/flashcards on Lingvist, and it wants to teach me the word "maßgeblich"; however in one example sentence it says it means "relevant", and in another it's "significantly"... Then I check a few online dictionaries and find a ton more meanings (so I'm not sure what to commit it to memory as). Any help please?

[timid vector]

most german adverbs are also able to be used as adjectives, and vice versa. significant/relevant seem more than similar enough to consider as the 'same definition'

[steel patrol]

I can't remember now what the actual example sentences were, but I found them different enough (or at least quite strangely worded, I guess) to be pretty confusing. Anyway, I'll look out for this word in the future and hope that seeing it used in a few other contexts makes it a bit more clear. Thanks.

[final marlin]

Nice job. Here, have a cookie 🍪

[long whale]

Perhaps it might help if you looked at the words it's composed of: "Maß" (measure) and "geben" (to give) -> something or someone who gives the standard to which sth/so else is measured. Or, you can just look at Pons which gives "decisive" as its main meaning. ;)

[steel patrol]

Pons is the one I always forget about. 😩 I checked dict.cc and leo.org, and while most of the results were similar enough that they could be understood to mean the same thing, I just could not make sense of the ones that were originally given to me - either that or my head just isn't working properly atm. I'll go with "decisive" then, thank you!

[long whale]

Come to think of it, "entscheidend" seems a pretty good synonym - at least as far as the example sentences on DWDS are concerned. 🤔

[ancient pulsar]

Einige Fahrer schrieben in sozialen Netzwerken, sie hätten sechs bis zwölf Stunden gebraucht, um über die 19 Kilometer lange Brücke zu kommen.

why hätten?

Konjuktiv?

[tame beacon]

Yes

[novel jackal]

Reading a term paper rn and am slightly confused at the composition of it, mostly how "wird" and "eingegangen" are used here

"Es wird ausschließlich auf die Informationen eingegangen, die für die Klärung der Leitfrage „Hätte die Reaktorkatastrophe von Tschernobyl in einem Deutschen DWR unter gleichen Bedingungen passieren können?“ von Bedeutung sind."

[long whale]

Ever heard of Passiv?

[long whale]

It's indirect speech, which usually uses Konjunktiv I, except in cases where its form is identical with Indikativ. In that case, it changes into Konjunktiv II. Does that help?

[smoky wigeon]

Please correct me,
Verabredung is unofficial/informal meeting
Besprechungen and termin are synonyms which means Meeting.

[long whale]

Yes, I think you've got the right idea.

[smoky wigeon]

Okay thanks!

[ancient pulsar]

yes, thank you, I've already learned konjuktives, but that was like months ago

i just wasn't sure

and I haven't been practising for months 😄

[novel jackal]

Yeah, but I didn't use the passive in a long time so I guess I mostly forgot about it

[timid vector]

What's an informal meeting? Like "Hey come up to my office real quick to talk" or "Hey, didn't expect to meet you here, wanna grab lunch?"

[long whale]

Yes, well, this is it: "Only the information is being discussed which..."

[long whale]

Oops, replied in #questions instead of here...

Here: #questions message

[novel jackal]

Ah so you would translate eingehen with discuss here, I translated it as described, but discuss works much better

[novel jackal]

And yeah, I know when you said it as the reply I was stunned that I forgot the composition of it

[narrow pier]

Hello, can someone tell me, How would ( sich mit jmdm. Befreunden ) be correctly used, At first I did not know it was reflexiv, but then someone corrected that for me

But then in This Vedio on youtube I saw this

Guy asks : wie hängt ihr zwei zusammen

Jürgen : Ja wir sind schon seit Ewigkeiten befreundet

So my question is where is the ( sich ), shouldn't it be a reflexive verb?

[long whale]

The verb exists, but isn't really used. It's either "mit jemandem befreundet sein" (to be friends with so), as in your example, or it's "sich mit jemandem anfreunden" (~ to start being friends/friendly with so)

[narrow pier]

So this sentence is not commonly used in German, or how would you say it ( Eltern müssen sorgfälltig sein, wer befreundet sich ihre Kinder )

Parents should be careful as to who becomes friends with their children

[long whale]

There are several more issues with this sentence, apart from the wrong verb...

[narrow pier]

So I have also used tze wrong adjective, this is deepls translation :

Eltern sollten vorsichtig sein, wer sich mit ihren Kindern anfreundet

[long whale]

Or: Eltern sollten sorgfältig darauf achten, wer...

[narrow pier]

Eltern sollten sorgfältig darauf achten, wer anfreundet sich ihre Kinder oder wer befreundet ihren Kindern

[long whale]

Neither. For the 2nd part, use deepl's translation: ... wer sich mit ihren Kindern anfreundet.

[narrow pier]

Okay, Thank you I will just that

But I thought the Befreunden should make the object dativ, but in my first example, that was not noticable, so I will just use sich anfreunden

[long whale]

Mostly, be- verbs are transitive, i.e. they require a direct object/Akkusativobjekt. ;)

[narrow pier]

Oh, ok, So transitive verbs mean that, they need akusativ case?

It can accept two objects also says google, Ok thank you very much, You helped a lot

[long whale]

You're welcome. And yes, it's better not to use "befreunden". :)

[junior flame]

@long whale "Crista dürfte sich persönlich angegriffen gefühlt haben."
What type of sentence structure is that? Normally if we have to use k2 von moadalverben in past tense, we use the structure: hätte + verb + modal verb (in infinity)

[long whale]

I think this particular use of modal verbs (supposition? probability?) is a C1 topic. If you said "Rita hätte sich angegriffen fühlen dürfen" it would mean something like "Rita might have been forgiven for feeling [she was being] attacked", while your sentence translates to something like "Rita probably felt as if she were being attacked" Not sure whether that helps?

[junior flame]

Okay, could you plese translate my sentence into english?

"Crista dürfte sich persönlich angegriffen gefühlt haben."

[long whale]

But... ehh... that's what I did...? Have your read my post to the end?

[junior flame]

O sorry, i misunderstood your earlier message

[junior flame]

Here you said: "Rita hätte sich angegriffen fühlen dürfen" translates to "Rita might have been forgiven for feeling (she was being ) attacked"
Bt I don't get the sense of forgiveness in this sentence.

[long whale]

Well... that's because a more literal translation, like "Rita would have been allowed to feel attacked" doesn't really make sense, does it?

[junior flame]

No it doesn't

So will native speakers ever use this sentence in any context??

[long whale]

Oh! You meant my sentence. Probably not, no.

[junior flame]

I meant this sentence: "Rita hätte sich angegriffen fühlen dürfen."

[long whale]

I was just trying to show you how the meaning would change with the construction. Let me think up a better example... 🤔

[junior flame]

Sure

[long whale]

Okay. 1. Rita hätte sich den Film ansehen dürfen (Rita would have been allowed to watch the film [but she didn't = hypothetical] ) 2. Rita dürfte den Film gesehen haben (Rita probably watched the film = guessing at what Rita may or may not have done)@junior flame

[junior flame]

Ja, now it's clear

One small question: this dürfen, it has one meaning "to be allowed to", does it carry the meaning of "may"(probably)??

@long whale

[long whale]

Yes. But as I said, this whole thing about using modal verbs for making guesses is a C1 topic, as far as I know.

I mean, on the whole it's not that different from what you do in English.

So, Rita's closing her shop, and we're wondering why, okay?

1. Rita must have run out of money (Rita muss das Geld ausgegangen sein) 2. Rita may have run out of money (Rita dürfte das Geld ausgegangen sein) 3. Rita could have run out of money (Rita könnte das Geld ausgegangen sein.

See the varying degrees of certainty? They're pretty much the same as in German. @junior flame

[junior flame]

Can you explain the varying degree of certainty in 2nd and 3rd example? They both appear same to me, in both we are making a random guess about Rita's money

[long whale]

No, I can't, because I agree - in both English and German, the degree of [un]certainty seems pretty much the same to me. I vaguely remember language learning books pointing out a distinction, though. 🤷

Mind you, it does depend on context, except I think once again, German and English are quite similar in that respect: We're wondering why Rita didn't buy the car: Maybe she didn't like it (She may could not have liked it) = Es dürfte könnte ihr nicht gefallen haben

[junior flame]

Okay Susana, now i get what you meant 😊

One last question😅
" Ein erster Pflock, den man getrost einrammen kann, ist dieser: Das Regime trägt Mitverantwortung"
What does this sentence mean? Particularly Pflock, what does it mean here? @long whale

[long whale]

"der Pflock" = a pointy piece of wood you ram into the earth, usually to fix something else onto it, like a tent, or a fence. So, by definition, it's something reliably fixed. -> "One incontrovertible/immovable fact you can hold onto/state is this: the regime is partly responsible"

Does that make sense?

[junior flame]

Sry for the late reply, but yes that makes complete sense

Thanks a lot Susana for having a conversation with me

"zu einer Chiffre zu verdichten", is this a phrase/idiom? What does it mean?

[long whale]

Not one I'm familiar with. Could you give me the whole sentence/more context?

[junior flame]

Es zeigt, wie nachhaltig es den Extremisten gelungen ist, Rushdie zu einer Chiffre zu veedichten.

[long whale]

Read "Chiffre" as "Symbol" here.

[junior flame]

Es ist ein Beitrag von der Zeitung "der Zeit" und es geht un den Anschlag auf Salman Rushdie.

[junior flame]

Then what does verdichten imply here?

[long whale]

"It shows how well/successfully/lastingly extremists have managed to reduce R. to a symbol"

[proven sphinx]

Is Chiffre even a German word? It just means "number" in French.

[long whale]

You know how by boiling a sauce/soup for a long time, its consistency becomes more and more creamy? This process can be called "reduction" - and that is the meaning of "verdichten/reduce" here.

[proven sphinx]

https://www.duden.de/rechtschreibung/Chiffre

Well, apparently it is...

The second meaning here would be called a "cipher" in English.

[junior flame]

Wow, that's quite a good explanation. Thank you!!

I have been reading such articles from past 2 weeks and every now and then such expressions come up, which even natives aren't sure about. So do you have any idea why is it so? Is this the language of every newspaper in germany or only die Zeit?

[proven sphinx]

Not every native knows every single word or expression.

Some are just too rare.

There's also the fact that you can understand a lot by context alone. There have been many words in books I read that I didn't know beforehand, but I understood in context.

[long whale]

Die Zeit is a newspaper mainly read by people like university professors, teachers, doctors, lawyers and generally by people who tend to read a lot and tend to be quite interested in education/social issues/politics, etc. So, this weekly caters to its readership, i.e. well-read, educated people.

[proven sphinx]

Our German teacher in high school even told us to create a vocabulary list of words we didn't know.

That's how I learned some fun words like Philister, Frevel or trivial.

[long whale]

I tend to recommend Die Zeit to advanced learners because a) you learn a lot of fixed expressions and b) it's one of the few papers left which are quite carefully edited (i.e. not full of typos and grammatical errors)

[junior flame]

Yes, mostly i try to get the meaning from the context, but sometimes even with the context the meaning isn't clear. So i come here and fortunately get my answers 😊

[proven sphinx]

Like, I read the NZZ a lot, and they use some pretty advanced vocabulary at times, some of which I would never be able to use actively.

[junior flame]

I come from India and am doing my bachelor's in German language. That's why this newspaper is a part of my course structure. And that's why I have to read it, even if i am having a hard time deciphering it.🥲

[proven sphinx]

Well, just try to look up any words or expressions you don't know.

[long whale]

On the plus side, once you're able to read this newspaper (or even enjoy reading it), pretty much all other (modern) German texts you come across will seem a piece of cake. ;)@junior flame

[junior flame]

I'll try, Thank you 🙂

[junior flame]

Hope so, bt thanks Susana again, i have taken so much of your time since evening.

[long whale]

No problem. Happy to help. 🌻

[fervent kernel]

guys can someone please explain to me what should i do here?

[rare jetty]

You have to build sentences/finish the sentences with the given words

[fervent kernel]

why is there wenn and als in the same bracket

in first one

[rare jetty]

You have to choose between wenn or als (Wählen Sie "wenn" oder "als")

[fervent kernel]

ty

W name btw

its all good man

[rare jetty]

Thank you Sir

[fervent kernel]

wexler is a snitch

[rare jetty]

DONT SPOILER

im not that far

[fervent kernel]

hahaha

[rare jetty]

lmao

[fervent kernel]

where are you?

in which episode

i finished it last week

the pace is fucekd up but u need to adapt

[rare jetty]

Like S3 Episode 5 or smth around that

[fervent kernel]

u know lalo?

[rare jetty]

Idk if I know

[fervent kernel]

remember this

your going to love him

[rare jetty]

Dont think so

Aight

[fervent kernel]

trust me u will

[rare jetty]

Imma dip for dinner then, cya

[fervent kernel]

no spoil dont worry

gl bro

[narrow pier]

Wenn ich mich morgens rasiere, sitzt er ( sein Vogel) auf meiner Schulter

sich rasieren - means to shave, so in this sentence, when he has not specified where, it typically can mean ( shaving beard )

?

[keen compass]

As you said, when no clear indicator to where you are shaving is given, there is no actual way of being able to distinguish between the different places that you might shave

Always depends on the context. When talking in a more formal, not that familiar environment (like school, work etc.) you would interpret it as shaving you beard, while on the other hand, if you were to talk to your very best friend, they could also think of other areas that you might want to shave

[narrow pier]

Danke schön

thanks

Dankeschön or danke schön

I saw susanna correcting people but Dankeschön exists I think or does it?

[keen compass]

Well, depends on the context

In your case, danke schön is correct.

Danke schön = thank you

Dankeschön is a noun. So it's "das Dankeschön"

Dankeschön is more like the gesture of thanking someone. You could say "ein Dankeschön geben" (to give a thanks) colloquially

[narrow pier]

oh thank you, very new infos

[small urchin]

"Der Aufzug ist am Ende des Ganges, rechts": is it correct?

[long whale]

Looks okay to me (I don't think you need the comma, though).

[narrow pier]

Hello,

So I wanted to say ( I have scored five goals in the football match ) , and deepls translation --> Ich habe fünd Tore im Fußballspiel erzielt

But I said ( Ich habe fünf Tore geschossen ) , Mine is wrong?

And I also said ( Facebook hat viele nutzungen und es kann viele negative Eindruck haben ) is this correct and it can have many negative effects

I wanted to say facebook has many uses

[long whale]

" Ich habe fünf Tore geschossen" - this is fine! For the other sentence, please try deepl, too - there are quite a few issues with it. ;)

@narrow pier

[narrow pier]

Yes the first one is correct, Thank you so much , Okay I will check it

This was deepls translation -> Facebook hat viele Vorteile und kann auch viele negative Auswirkungen auf uns haben

But I guess I shortened the sentence down, That why it doe snot look convenient,

Does this look more natural

Facebook has many usages but on the other hand it can also have many negativ effects

Can anderseits be used, just on its own?

This is the other that seema more natura

Facebook hat viele Vorteile, kann aber andererseits auch viele negative Auswirkungen habenl

@long whale

[long whale]

Yes, that's fine.

[narrow pier]

So the one with ( anderseits is more correct ? )

What would happen I i said the first one in the exam, like does it count as a very big mistake, what was wrong about the sentence?

I guess there are certain things that cant be literally translated like my sentence , "this has many usages"

[long whale]

This one? Yes, it's also possible.

[narrow pier]

Danke

[narrow pier]

If I have said this one in the exam ( Facebook hat viele nutzungen und es kann viele negative Eindruck haben),is it totally wrong, are there wrong words in it?

[long whale]

Yes, it's wrong, because "Nutzung/en" isn't the right word, nor is "Eindruck", plus, you didn't use the plural of "Eindruck", while you did use the adjective endings for plural (-> grammar mistake). Plus, a person can have an impression (einen Eindruck haben) of something, but here, you'd have had to use "machen" (to make an impression). 🤷

[narrow pier]

Thank you so much

[dark nymph]

hi everyone next month i am going to do the german exam of osd . so can anyone help with with website s or online teachers channel so i can exercise for the exam pls !!

[narrow pier]

man fragt, ob man mal zu deren Treffen kommen kann

in this easy germn vedio, I saw denen und deren used so may times,

I have heard denen, its dativ relativ pronoun, but what is (deren)

[narrow pier]

see reddit posts, and I say post this on the forum channel,

but for B1 this book is really helpful ( Fit Fürs Zertifikat B1 ) it contains so my exercises, with solution, there are also ( Mit Erfolg zum Goethe/ÖSD Zertifikat B1 tes buch, I think there is another version which is ( vorbereitungsbuch ), just like the first book I mentioned, it prepares you for the exam and gives so many tips on all the parts

[long whale]

"deren" = Genitiv pronoun, either fem. or pl.

[fervent kernel]

Kennst du eigentlich die ganzen Regeln auswendig?

[narrow pier]

I never knew, genetiv would be used that much actually, Thank you so much

[fervent kernel]

Ich weiß nicht mal was genau das Genitiv ist 💀

[long whale]

Not all of them, no.

[dark nymph]

@narrow pier so the name of the book is fit furs zertifikat

[long whale]

There's a faq for it in #botchannel if you're interested. ;)

[night dagger]

#resources

[shut briar]

Trigger Warning ⚠️ : Holocaust

[long whale]

Yes. "sich jemandes (Gen.) annehmen"

[shut briar]

Ich habe zwei Fragen hier, und zwar, warum eines Mädchens, es ist Genitiv aber braucht man hier keinen bestimmten Artikel oder?

[long whale]

You could only say "des Mädchens" if the reader already knew about the (this!) girl. 🤷

[shut briar]

Und ist Vergassen hier ein Tippfehler?

[shut briar]

ach so

[long whale]

Merry! "vergasen" = he'd have had to send the girl to the gas chambers

[shut briar]

But the sense is one of the girls. In no scenario does the reader know about the girl? Oder?

[shut briar]

Oh Gott! Alles klar, vielleicht muss ich schlafen

[long whale]

The girl is being mentioned for the 1st time: There was a girl. He took the/this girl for drives in his open car, showing her off, etc.

[viral jolt]

what does it exactly mean? dict.cc says to befriend sb, is that it?

[shut briar]

Oh right! You mentioned it takes Genitiv so the Genitiv is cause of the verb. Wow i should really sleep

[long whale]

Meh - more like "to take under one's wing".

It's to help somebody in need of help, regardless of how much help they require. Might be a new student/colleague, might be homeless people, prisoners or even some problem/cause.

[viral jolt]

so so, versteh

[shut briar]

Any idea Susanna why it takes Genitiv?

[long whale]

You aren't being serious, are you? 😄 You'd have to go back several hundred if not a thousand years to maybe find a linguistic reason for why a verb requires any case. 🤷

[shut briar]

Ja that's true. I just thought you could rationalise it, something that my mind might have skipped

Ok ok no more (stupid) questions! 🥲😂

[nimble viper]

Someone wrote me “Lass mich wissen, wenn” in a letter; is this not Denglisch? I thought there existed only “Sag mir Bescheid, wenn”

[night dagger]

Both are fine.

There are also other variants but I think those two are probably the most common.

[south zenith]

tu es mir kund?

[pseudo harness]

Im having trouble formulating sentences with, 'to'. How would it work? do I just use, 'zu' for everything?

Bist du neu zu Deutsch? I feel like there is something Im missing.

[plain umbra]

No, prepositions don't translate directly like this between languages.

[pseudo harness]

how so?

[plain umbra]

So something in English which is "to" could be many, many different things in German or other languages.

[plain umbra]

Because the languages have different sets of prepositions that are used in their own ways.

[pseudo harness]

I see, is there any resource you would recommend for learning prepositions? I assume I cant just omit them

lol

[plain umbra]

This is a good starting point: https://resources.german.lsa.umich.edu/grammatik/prepositions/

As a beginner you start by learning the meanings related to position, direction, etc. Like basic movement meanings. Later you can start to learn the more abstract/idiomatic meanings.

For example, here are absolute basics of the prepositions in terms of positions relative to some object.

So like to be on top of a surface, like a table, is "auf".

However, English "on" does not always translate to "auf".

[pseudo harness]

Thank you! Im going to have to study this... In the meantime, would Bist du neu auf Deutsch work?

[plain umbra]

Hmm, I'm not 100% sure, I recommend to ask again later when native speakers are around. My guess would be "Bist du neu in Deutsch?" but I don't know prepositions perfectly so I could be wrong there.

[pseudo harness]

Will do, very confusing how prepositions work 😖

[serene slate]

I just think of mit etwas anfangen, also
Bist du neu mit Deutsch?
Fängst du gerade mit Deutsch an?

in Deutsch sounds good to me too there

[timid vector]

Wie lange lernst du Deutsch? Bist du neu dabei?...

[fervent kernel]

✅🔴Ich trinke keinen Kaffee, weil ich auch ohne ihn voller Energie bin und ich will nich vom Kaffee abhängig sein

[charred fog]

*und vom Kaffe nicht abhängig sein will

[long whale]

In case this didn't get answered: it's an uncommon equivalent of "tell me" (jdm etwas kundtun = to tell sb sth)

[nova sparrow]

Bist Du neu in Deutsch is the closest and everybody can tell what you want to know, but to me it sounds weird/off 🤨
Ist Deutsch neu für dich would be the correct translation imho 🤔

[plain umbra]

Thanks! I just know that "in" is used for some other contexts where people would talk about being "new to" something in English. I wasn't sure if it works in this sentence though.

[novel scaffold]

Huhu ihr lieben, wie kann man sowas wie 'ARE YOU READY TO RUMBLE' übersetzen ohne dabei die gewalttätige Wrestling implikation zu verlieren

[long whale]

The way I see it, the problem isn't translating the implication of violence. IMO, the problem is you wouldn't phrase it as a question in German: Auf in den Kampf! (To the battle!) or Auf ins Getümmel! (To the fray!) occur to me here. But wait a little, and if nobody else comes up with anything better, just ask again. ;)

[autumn marsh]

yea I'm with Susana here. there's no good direct translation...

you can phrase it like: Seid ihr bereit für eine Schlacht?
but it feels a little weird

It's more natural to say e.g.: 'Seid ihr bereit? Los geht's!' or something, although that's a little bland.

[fervent kernel]

When you write your date of birth, do you spell the year as usual or like an ordinal number by adding -ste in the end?

[nova sparrow]

writing: 1.1.1911 spelling erster Januar 1911 😄
and NO, I'm not THAT old 😉

[fervent kernel]

Lul thanks
Tho I meant, how would you spell a year then? Neunzehnhundertelf?

[nova sparrow]

Yes, or leave the century away 1.1.23 : erster erster (even this is possible) dreiundzwanzig😃

[fervent kernel]

Nice, thanks a lot!

[weary panther]

Do band (like orchestra/symphony) conductors in Germany tend to speak only German when conducting? What about band directors of elementary or high schools?

Most of music is universal because it’s in Italian, but are things like rests, whole notes, half notes, measures, etc. all said in German? And are the note names pronounced using the German alphabet?

[acoustic breach]

Im Not yet in Germany but it should be in German

[worn kindle]

from what ive seen

yws

yes

[nova sparrow]

They do! 😄

[acoustic breach]

Were you expecting italian?

(no offense)

[worn kindle]

i remember watching a video from the berlin phil about a conductor teaching some school orchestras

it was entirely in german

[nova sparrow]

Tonleiter ascending using # :
c cis d dis e f fis g gis a ais h C

[worn kindle]

h??

[acoustic breach]

I remembered one conductor asked 1st and 2nd violins playing
He went
ERSTE
ZWEITE
ERSTE
ZWEITE

Me, when i was in A Level: OMG I UNDERSTAND

[acoustic breach]

(B)

[worn kindle]

i do not like that

[acoustic breach]

It's somewhat related to early notation system in the medieval era that affected today's notation

[acoustic breach]

Im sorry it's "B"

[worn kindle]

i see

[acoustic breach]

German B: our Bb

German H: our B

So Klarinette in B: clarrinet in Bb

[acoustic breach]

So Tonleiter is scale?

[weary panther]

Thanks guys :)

I looked it up and got mixed reviews lol, but that is to be expected.

[acoustic breach]

Some universities (Kornberg i think?) Offers music courses in English

Maybe that's what happened?

[weary panther]

Probably

[nova sparrow]

The b is only used as name when you have not the # but the bbb's 😉

[acoustic breach]

And it could also probably be affected by region (idk not in germany)

For example in Malaysia, I live near the capital so we used English, although im studying in a mandarin vernacular school

I went south to a chinese school at the south and they used mandarin. I was like wat?

[nova sparrow]

so this would be bb bbb
c des d es e f ges g as a b h C

[acoustic breach]

Was ist bb und bbb😅

[nova sparrow]

same like ### ## up is bbb bb down 😄

[acoustic breach]

This reminds me to get to know all the terms in german 😂

[south zenith]

ahcdefg

[narrow pier]

hello, in this sentence, does Getränke only refer to alcoholic drink

In unserem Bord-
restaurant gibt es wegen der technischen Probleme heute
leider nur kalte Getränke und einige Snacks. Ich bitte um
Ihr Verständnis.

because in the questions, this sentence being the reason, it says that in the restaurant --> gibt es keine Kaffe
so Getränke --> only alcohol ??

[long whale]

No, why would it?

Is coffee a cold drink, then?

[acoustic breach]

It could be cold but probably they dont have hot water so they couldn't prepare the coffee, since they said only cold drinks so i guess the heater went down

But that's a little too much analysis for a language test lol

[narrow pier]

its the same issue, another question in the listening exam, is solved like this

I hope my exam has few of these mistakes, because they impact on my grades

[narrow pier]

The exercise said that was the solution, I am confused in that matter

[long whale]

coffee = cold drink/kaltes Getränk hot drink/heißes Getränk

In unserem Bord-
restaurant gibt es wegen der technischen Probleme heute
leider nur kalte Getränke

[narrow pier]

well, I thought about that,

its not like coffee is not available in cold ( I myself HATE cold coffee ), but the question is contradicting, does it imply, that only when ( heißes Getränk ) was mentioned, means there is coffee?

and in no way there is ( kalte Kaffee ) available?

this looks like a question that is not about the audio, am I wrong?

[long whale]

Trust me, if you order coffee anywhere in Germany, it's going to be hot, not cold. Same for tea. Unless you order Eiskaffee/Eistee (iced coffee/tea)

[narrow pier]

I have to think of it like that, Thank youu

[narrow pier]

oh ok, so generally speaking, Kaffe is meant hot,

Ich habe es erfasst, danke dir

[nova sparrow]

and cold drinks can ofc be without alcohol:
plain water, soda, softdrinks, juice...

[narrow pier]

Oh ja, danke

[narrow pier]

hello how would you use ( vorteilhaft ) when you want to express a ( Vorteil )

vorteilhaft / gut ist, dass ( so from this, I can not think of anything, because, how can an adjektiv be used with "ist "

so ( one of the advantages of being in a sport club, is meeting new people and making friens ) can vorteihaft be used in these?

einer die Vorteile in einen Sportverein beitreten/ teilnehmen, ist man kann neue Freundschaften pflegen ( would vorteilhaft be used in this?)

[night dagger]

Think of "vorteilhaft" as meaning "advantageous" or "beneficial".

Vorteilhaft ist, dass wir genug zu essen haben. - Advantageous is that we have enough to eat.

[long whale]

"einer die Vorteile in einen Sportverein beitreten/ teilnehmen, ist man kann neue Freundschaften pflegen ( would vorteilhaft be used in this?)" - No, it wouldn't, since you're trying to say "one of the advantages", and this sentence has a lot of issues.

[narrow pier]

could you give an example, I saw these two meanings, but how would you say it ( das ist vorteilhaft, einen Sportverein zu beitreten, denn man kann neue Freundschaften pflegen ) is this true?

[long whale]

es ist vorteilhaft... and the verb is "etwas (Dativ) beitreten"

-> einen Sportverein

(which would be Akkusativ)

Plus, "beitreten" is a separable verb!

[narrow pier]

any time, I want to make a sentence, 50 percent chance its wrong, I think because, its up until now, when I think in German, the sentences do not come naturally as english, or when they come, they are not so correct, I guess its related to , that you have to watch A LOT of German content, but I was always woried about the German exam,

[long whale]

... and also, it pays to check the gender of nouns and the construction required by the verb. That info is in every dictionary. :)

[narrow pier]

es ist vorteilhaft in einem Sportverein beizutreten/ teilzunehmen, denn man kann einfach neue Freundschaften pflegen ( ist es falsch noch? )

( i do not understand when some verb is ( etwas " dativ" beitreten ), does it mean that the thing you join has to be declined in dativ, but can Sportverein be inflected )

[narrow pier]

yeah you are right, I though verein is feminin

[long whale]

Es ist vorteilhaft**,** in einem Sportverein beizutreten teilzunehmen, denn... Now it's correct.

Yes, it means the thing you join has to be in Dativ, and no, "Sportverein" (singular) doesn't get inflected in Dativ.

@narrow pier

[narrow pier]

okay, thank you so much

[errant hare]

Welches alkoholische Getränk ist das beste?

[rare jetty]

Wulle

[errant hare]

Dieses Bier?

[rare jetty]

Ja

Ein Geheimtipp

War früher wesentlich bekannter, jetzt irgendwie nicht mehr so, hat aber qualitativ nicht nachgelassen und schmeckt herrlich

[night dagger]

Hefeweizen

Weihenstephan und Paulaner

[serene slate]

Ich trinke belgisches Bier lieber, zB Kwak, aber etwas Dunkeles passt mir.
Der Problem ist, dass belgisches Bier außerhalb Belgiens nicht so oft gefunden wird

gut shit tho, wenn du das finden kann ^

[serene slate]

Paulaner schmeckt auch wunderbar

[rare jetty]

[serene slate]

genauso ^^

[errant hare]

Ich trink Moritz Fiege

Gönnung Pur

[serene slate]

if I want to say, "copy this guy", can I use nachaffen?

perhaps äffen might be what im searching for

• to imitate, copy someone
  nachaffen, äffen, nachäffen?

[dull igloo]

yes, you can use "nachäffen"

but i wouldn't use it in a formal text because it sounds a bit "childish" at least for me

[serene slate]

is it trennbar?

äffe(n) diesen Typ nach?

[dull igloo]

yes

[serene slate]

sweet thx

[rare jetty]

And insulting

[dull igloo]

yes

[nova sparrow]

I would not say it's childish in its meaning, it's rather "bad/negative" connoted:
sb uses nachäffen to make the person he copies from look bad
so maybe you are looking for nachmachen ?

[night dagger]

Like copycat/nachmacher

[serene slate]

insulting is a little different than childish 😂

so its like, copy in order to mock

[serene slate]

I think nachmachen suits what Im looking for well, thanks

so in this case, I say drink belgian beer, this guy posts an emoji for note taking
so I can say "mach diesen Typ nach" ? for the idea of, "copy this guy"

[charred fog]

Händedesinfektionsmittel

macht sauber

[keen bane]

LOL

[timid vector]

my first thought would be to literally just say "Folge/Folgt seinem Beispiel"

[nova sparrow]

or simply: mach es wie der/er!

[night dagger]

when it’s clear to copy him, you can also simply say „mach es so“

[spring token]

how do you know whether a verb has an en or an e at the end for reflexive phrases, for example (ich freue mich) vs (wir freuen uns)

and also when to put a comma after a reflexive clause?

[timid vector]

faq conjugation

[stoic mauve]

Conjugation

Präsens (Present Tense)
When you use a verb in a sentence (or clause), you have to conjugate it (change the form) to match the subject of the sentence (or clause).

For example, in English, we write I eat but he/she eats. The verb has a different ending! The concept is the same in German, except German has more endings.

The first thing you need to know in order to conjugate verbs is: which ending fits which subject? Here is a simple verb “trinken” (to drink) as an example:

trinken
ich trinke
du trinkst
er/sie/es trinkt
wir trinken
ihr trinkt
sie trinken / Sie trinken
(Note: the conjugation for sie (they) and Sie (formal you) is always the same)

Vowel/Stem Changes
There are a few variations and exceptions, but the most important is vowel changes (also called stem changes). Some verbs get a vowel change, which only affects the du and er/sie/es forms of the verb. (However, modal verbs and wissen have their own special pattern, which also has a vowel change in the ich form.)

Example: ich schlafe, du schläfst

Other Changes
There are various other differences but I can’t describe them all here, so please read these websites or use Google to find more information: https://www.vistawide.com/german/grammar/german_verbs_present_tense.htm
https://www.thoughtco.com/german-present-tense-verbs-4074838
http://www.dartmouth.edu/~deutsch/Grammatik/PresentTense/Present.html

[spring token]

thanks, i know this stuff but i dont understand it in the context of reflexive verbs

[timid vector]

This quite literally answers your question

[spring token]

oh wait a minute

[timid vector]

why is it freuen? because as it says in the faq wir gets -en

[spring token]

im so sorry

lmao

my bad i was just stupid

[south zenith]

also generally all verbs that begin with be- require an object (transitive) and are accusative (not bei- verbs)

[sage canyon]

Auf Englisch sagt man oft: "Ich bin mit dir" wenn man sagen will, man ist mit andere Leute.

Für Deutch will man "zu" im Platz von "mit" benutzen?
Ich weiß Präpositionen auf Deutsch sind anders

[timid vector]

if you're asking about an English phrase it would be better to ask in English

[sage canyon]

okay, in English we often say "I am doing this thing with [person]"

when I want to say the same thing in Deutsch, or the equivalent, would I use mit(which is the closest direct translation to English), or zu?

I saw zu used(can't remember the exact context) to express "with"

[timid vector]

like "I'm going to the movies with John"?

[sage canyon]

Ja, genau

[timid vector]

Ich gehe mit John ins Kino

👍

[sage canyon]

ah, so it is mit

generally

[timid vector]

generally yes

[sage canyon]

would there be conditions where I use zu in any other context than "to" a person?

[timid vector]

I can't think of an example but my lexicon hardly spans the whole of german

[sage canyon]

perfect

[timid vector]

maybe in dialectal English "I'm staying with John" (residing) "Ich wohe bei John"

[maiden badge]

Manchmal hat man wenig Zeit. Dann gehen viele Menschen in einen Schnellimbiss. Man muss nicht lange warten und nicht viel bezahlen. Schnell essen muss man aber nicht.
Why do you need "aber" in the last sentence?

[timid vector]

because it's contradictory to the rest of the sentence

[plush pelican]

Here, "aber" means like "allerdings", it means "however", functioning more like an adverb, not a conjunction

[maiden badge]

So this "however" is placed (almost) at the end of sentence, before the negation (nicht)?

[plush pelican]

It doesn't have to be, it just is coincidentally, I believe

https://germanculture.com.ua/language/how-to-use-aber-doch-denn-ja-german-modal-particles/

"Es ist aber ziemlich spät"

It is really quite late.

[night dagger]

Correct, it’s a modal particle there.

It’s also sort of a common part of a fixed phrase „… muss man aber nicht“

[timid vector]

not in mayday's sentence if thats what you mean

[night dagger]

I would certainly say it is.

[timid vector]

definitely doesn't fit what a modal particles is considering it meaningfully changes the sentence

it's just the normal "aber", doesn't have to be put at the beginning

[night dagger]

I stand by my opinion that it is a modal particle there, and it is part of a somewhat common phrase, often something like kann man machen, muss man aber nicht

[timid vector]

Then what would you identify as the difference between that and
Das kann man machen, aber man muss nicht.

the usage of aber put before nicht just sounds better, it's the same meaning

[night dagger]

Could be 🤷

[plain umbra]

I don't think there is a clear answer on whether it would be a conjunction or a modal particle. I think both can be considered correct, so it might not be worthwhile to worry about it.

Like I think some grammar sources use one and some use the other.

[timid vector]

the meaning is identical to the conjunctive usage of "doch" as well

guess we'd have to call goethe 🤷

[plain umbra]

I would say that there is a difference between those two sentences, in that the simpler one just explains in a non-emotive sense "X but Y", but the other examples provide an implied tone or meaning that isn't explicitly written. For the original one, it's the implication that you would expect to have to eat fast, but surprisingly, you don't have to. The other one, "kann man machen, muss man aber nicht" implies more like that just because something is possible doesn't mean you have to do it, in the sense that it's emphasizing the option of choosing not to do it, rather than just stating it as a fact.

I could be incorrect on my interpretations but to me they read that way.

[night dagger]

Yeah the second one can be used in an almost flirtatious manner, like on a date or something. „kann man, muss man aber nicht“

It has other uses though of course

[plain umbra]

Especially this concept of aber as expressing "surprise" about something, I would typically interpret as a modal particle feature.

[maiden badge]

@plain umbra explain it beautifully. Vielen Dank an alle!

[timid vector]

I never said aber can't be a modal particle I said specifically its not in the sentence provided

[plain umbra]

Yes, I know, and I'm saying that in the sentence provided different grammar sources would label it differently. But the comment you quoted was not about that. I was responding to your claim that the two versions don't have any difference in meaning - only in how they sound. I disagree with that because I think moving the "aber" in the example sentences adds an implied tone or meaning, as you would typically expect of a modal particle.

[fervent hollow]

Can someone correct this sentence i made? In konventionellen Lebensmitteln dürfen mehr Zusatzstoffe eingesetzt werden als Bio-Lebensmittel, weil der ökologischer Anbau auf giftigen Pestiziden und Zusatzstoffen verzichtet.

[rare jetty]

In konventionellen Lebensmitteln dürfen mehr Zusatzstoffe eingesetzt werden als in Bio-Lebensmitteln, weil der ökologische Anbau auf giftige Pestizide und Zusatzstoffe verzichtet.

[fervent hollow]

^

Danke schön

[velvet scroll]

Hiii can anyone help me change a few sentances to present and past

[long whale]

Please try yourself, first - if you have any problems with the forms, try verbformen.de We'll gladly check the results afterwards. ;)

[velvet scroll]

hi sorry the website isnt helping

i cant do it myself first i have no clue what im doing

[long whale]

Okay. First, post a photo/screenshot of your task. Then, I'll explain how you need to go about it. How does that sound?

[velvet scroll]

agreeable

[long whale]

Okay. So, the tense you need is called Perfekt in German.

-> you look for the verb on verbformen.de -> you scroll down, you'll see Perfekt

[long whale]

Präteritum form is wrong in the last sentence. And we aren't supposed to do people's homework for them. :)

faq homework

[stoic mauve]

How to ask a question

If you want something corrected, you can put it in a Google Doc and share a link with permission level »can suggest« in #writing .

Don't ask us to translate something for you outright: that takes professional time and effort and we're not here for that. You can try your luck with deepl.com.
For single words, use dict.cc or another dictionary, it'll be quicker.

If you want to know if/how a word can be used, provide some context to help us understand the situation.

Don't ask us to do your homework or exams for you! Show us your best attempt at something and try to pinpoint what exactly you don't understand.

[viral jolt]

does "so so" always have a sarcastic meaning? am I not allowed to use it in other contexts?

[long whale]

https://www.dwds.de/wb/soso Pretty much, yes. - "not allowed"... well, someone (you?) replied to one of my answers here with it, and it made me 👀 for a second, until I realized they (you?) probably didn't know how it looked/sounded. 🤷

[viral jolt]

was probably me 😹 i understand now, sorry for making you 👀 😅

[long whale]

I probably should have said something then and there, but it often makes me feel really mean, correcting/critizising the way people thank me, so... 🤷

[viral jolt]

yeah i understand

[narrow pier]

Is that correct? Deepls version i mean ?

[fair plank]

Yes sounds good

[narrow pier]

I did not know how to ask it in english, but I meant to say ( I remember as a child, like to remember somwthing, to remind yourslef of something in that past)

[steel patrol]

self

[narrow pier]

Ich kann mich noch daran erinnern ( does this also work)

[fair plank]

Yds

[fair plank]

Its used really often

[narrow pier]

Danke

[eternal flame]

Hello, I have a difficulty on choosing which level role should I choose. I've already passed my B1 test but it was more than 2 years ago, I rarely practice due to work and now my Deutsch is not fluent anymore. I really want to re-learn the language, I believe my written grammar is still good but I'm really having a hard time learning vocabs. Should I just go back to level A?

[long whale]

Just choose the one you feel comfortable with. :) As far as I can see, this only matters inasmuch as people asking questions here are likely to trust the answers of a light blue user more than a pink or green user's.

[plain umbra]

An easy solution would be to just choose A now and then change it later when you revise more.

[eternal flame]

@plain umbra @long whale
I understand, thank you so much for your response!

[narrow pier]

Das Video macht mir sehr spaß

Da eure Vedios mir sehr spaß machen, helfen sie mir mit meine Deutschverbesserung

(Korriegiert mich bitte )

Hello, if its ( jemandem spaß machen ) it works for yourself also right?

And ( Deutschverbesserung) I combimed those two words, does it work?

[narrow pier]

.

[long whale]

Da eure Videos mir [sehr] großen/viel Spaß machen, helfen sie mir [dabei], mein Deutsch zu verbessern/meine Deutschkenntnisse zu verbessern mit meine Deutschverbesserung

@narrow pier