questions-2

[deep thicket]

We just got carried away

I'm sorry

[chilly heart]

Oops

German only

[hoary citrus]

Ok

[deep thicket]

Also, wie kann ich euch bei den Texten weiterhelfen?

Du kennst dich jetzt mehr über das Thema aus und was du schreiben könntest oder ? @hoary citrus

[steel patrol]

Vielen Dank!

[deep thicket]

Bitte bitte :)

[long whale]

"sich auskennen" doesn't really work with "über", I'm afraid. ;)

[viral jolt]

sich auskennen mit?

fishead is a native Austrian. interesting that natives also make preposition mistakes from time to time 😂

[long whale]

Yes, that works. Depending on context, various other prepositions also work, but "über" isn't among them: https://www.dwds.de/wb/auskennen ;)

[dusty scaffold]

can anyone help?

[viral jolt]

have you tried yourself first?

[long whale]

Help you, yes. Do the work for you, no. :)

faq homework

[stoic mauve]

How to ask a question

If you want something corrected, you can put it in a Google Doc and share a link with permission level »can suggest« in #writing .

Don't ask us to translate something for you outright: that takes professional time and effort and we're not here for that. You can try your luck with deepl.com.
For single words, use dict.cc or another dictionary, it'll be quicker.

If you want to know if/how a word can be used, provide some context to help us understand the situation.

Don't ask us to do your homework or exams for you! Show us your best attempt at something and try to pinpoint what exactly you don't understand.

[fervent kernel]

sry i didnt know

[dusty scaffold]

I have tried this, is it correct?

[fervent kernel]

Fast

The first one is wrong

[long whale]

Check gender of Unterricht...

[dusty scaffold]

thanks are the other ones correct?

[fervent kernel]

Yes

[dusty scaffold]

this one was hard, can u help

I tried

[fervent kernel]

Check 1 and 3

Tiny mistakes

[dusty scaffold]

is it Vergleich and muss

[fervent kernel]

Vergleich is correct but you have to add something to "muss" ..

[dusty scaffold]

müsst?

[fervent kernel]

müss is on the right way..

two letters..

[dusty scaffold]

müssen?

[fervent kernel]

Yes, correct

[dusty scaffold]

thanks

[plain umbra]

Why müssen?

[fervent kernel]

Google it

We have to

[plain umbra]

?

[fervent kernel]

Maybe you COULD say sollen but müssen is better

[plain umbra]

I'm checking the person's knowledge about the conjugation.

You just told them which form to use, but I feel like they may not understand why it's that form.

[fervent kernel]

Then explain it to them i'm not really good in teaching

[plain umbra]

That's why just giving people the answer is not very helpful. The important thing is for the learner to understand why or how something is a certain way.

[plain umbra]

There's no point in explaining something until you understand what the person's current understanding is.

So if they want to learn it, they will explain to me why they chose müssen and we can figure it out from there.

[fervent kernel]

It's way harder over chat

[plain umbra]

If they don't want to learn it and they're just trying to cheat on a test (with your help) they won't return to discuss it.

[ivory stratus]

hello, what does "geil" mean? my textbook says it means "amazing, great" but translator says it means "horny" lmao

and, what is the difference between "Familienname" and "Nachname"?

[novel scaffold]

it can mean both, heavily depends on context

think of 'its so hot' vs 'shes so hot'

[ivory stratus]

thanks!

[novel scaffold]

same as family name and surname in english

it both means the same

[ivory stratus]

Vielen Dank!

[upbeat thicket]

Both meanings are possible, heavily depending on context
e.g. „Das Auto ist geil“ - The car‘s awesome

[granite spade]

Im rasen rastend sollst du dich betäuben This can obviously mean In dem Rasen = on the lawn, meadow. Could it also function here as the verb rasen, which would give a paradoxical 'resting in haste' idea?

[upbeat thicket]

Well first of all „Rasen“ has to be capitalized; technically it could also be „the hurrying“ but it doesn’t make a lot of sense 🤔

[granite spade]

it's from a poem, the poet didn't like capitals lol

[upbeat thicket]

Ahh I get it

[granite spade]

but it works grammatically?

[upbeat thicket]

Yes 😸

[granite spade]

Thanks

Resting while in a hurry/hurrying or something

[upbeat thicket]

Technically yes; eventhough I don‘t know the whole poem I‘d still interpret it as „On the lawn…“

[granite spade]

Yeah that's certainly the more straightforward reading

[ivory stratus]

Hallo, what is the difference between "laufen" "rennen" and "joggen"??

[deep thicket]

Bruh i read it again and it still makes sense to me 😂

BRUH THAT'S NOT WRONG?

[narrow pier]

Hallo, diese Sätze haben die Gleichen Bedeutungen haben

Wie kann ich nach Deutschland umziehen = Wie kann ich nach Deutschland umsiedeln = Wie kann ich nach Deutschland auswandern = Wie kann ich nach Deutschland immigrieren

?

[timid vector]

nein

ähnlich aber nicht gleich

[long whale]

Well, the 1st one seems pretty unidiomatic to me (other native speakers may disagree, though?). The others... well, if you consider "move to", "emigrate" and "immigrate" the same, then yes, I suppose. 🤷

[narrow pier]

Ich habe es Verstanden danke?

[viral jolt]

nicht dieselbe Bedeutung würde ich sagen.
umziehen: to relocate. du kannst von einer Stadt nach einer anderen Stadt umziehen. das geht mit Ländern auch.
auswandern: to immigrate (outside of a country, hence to 'aus' maybe). du kannst von deinem eigenen Land nach einem anderen Land auswandern. das geht mit Städten nicht, also du kannst nicht nach einer Stadt in demselben Land. auswandern (correct me if I'm wrong)
immigieren: kommt aus Englisch, direkte Übersetzung.
und ich kenne mich nicht so gut mit umsiedeln aus.

[narrow pier]

danke

does this sound right (Das Resultat , dass meine Tochter sich mit heißem Wasser verbrüht hat ist, dass ich den Warmwasserboiler reparieren muss. das Fazit war eine neue Boiler )

[fervent kernel]

@undone verge what books did you use to learn grammer and where did you do all the exercises ?

[viral jolt]

^^^ bin auch neugierig.

[midnight plover]

When do we use "tun" instead of "möchen"?

[proven sphinx]

You probably mean "machen". "möchen" is not a word. 😄

Well, both words are mostly the same, but "machen" is far more common and can be used with most things.

[midnight plover]

Ah shit, u are right xd.

[proven sphinx]

It's not like in English, where "do" and "make" are clearly distinct.

[midnight plover]

So as a beginner(untill B1-B2) i can ignore tun? Or not?

[fervent kernel]

H

Hi

[proven sphinx]

Yeah, basically. However, whenever "machen" refers to creating something (e.g. "ein Foto machen"), then it has to be "machen" and never "tun".

Or with certain expressions, e.g. "Es tut mir leid" (NEVER "Es macht mir leid")

[upbeat thicket]

Das tut mir weh is also a common expression

[proven sphinx]

Yep.

[undone verge]

I almost thought this was a meme question because I recommend the same books twice a day T_T but Grammatik Aktiv B2-C1 and C-Grammatik (blue book). Particularly Grammatik Aktiv--simply amazing book!
For websites, I'll use anything but prefer deutschegrammatik2.0

[proven sphinx]

Or "so tun, als ob...", meaning "to pretend".

There are also a few expressions that always take "machen", such as "Das macht nichts" (It doesn't matter/Forget it).

[midnight plover]

Can u show me some examples of quite often used phrases which include "Tun"?
It would be quite helpful

[proven sphinx]

https://www.thoughtco.com/difference-between-machen-and-tun-1444818

There are a few examples here.

[midnight plover]

Ohh, ty!

[fervent kernel]

ah ok thx for the recommendations. It's time to revise a lot of grammar

[timid gazelle]

I've never seen a more useless and plainly misleading article about the usage of machen and tun. The examples are mostly wrong, the author barely seems to display an actual correct usage of the German language, making mistakes that native speakers of German dialects like Dutch wouldn't ever make. And of course everything is very vague and also doesn't manage to in the end outline any meaningful or helpful differences between the two verbs.

[void nimbus]

making mistakes that native speakers of German dialects like Dutch wouldn't ever make.
?

[timid gazelle]

?

[reef moss]

Dutch is not a dialect of German. It is its own separate language

[void nimbus]

Yeah, I'm like quite sure Dutch isn't a dialect

[timid gazelle]

And why do you think that?

[timid gazelle]

You can keep being sure, because that's the truth

[reef moss]

Because the definition of dialect

[void nimbus]

It's on the EUs 24 working languages 👍

[timid gazelle]

Is?...

[long whale]

Hmm... Having just read through the page in question, I really wonder which examples you found wrong? 🤔

[reef moss]

A regional or social variety of a language distinguished by pronunciation, grammar, or vocabulary, especially a variety of speech differing from the standard literary language or speech pattern of the culture in which it exists.

[void nimbus]

Dialects are generally oral, Dutch is a quite commonly written language.

[reef moss]

The Netherlands is it's own country, with it's own culture and people

[long whale]

Because a language is a dialect with an army. ;)

[timid gazelle]

Yeah? So? That's exactly what I said

[timid gazelle]

Just to name a few:

[timid gazelle]

Just to name a few
"Hast du das selbstgemacht?"
Selbstgemacht is wrongly used as an adjective, the correct way to write it would obviously be selbst gemacht. As I said before, speakers of German dialects like Dutch would never make this mistake.
" Ich habe nichts damit zu tun."
Idiom, thus not an example of tun
" Es tut mir leid."
Leidtun, separate verb
But the most egregious one is one example of machen
" Da ist nichts zu machen"
Because that's literally an idiom and it is "zu tun sein"

[timid gazelle]

And a fleet

[timid gazelle]

So does Austria and each single German Bundesland

[void nimbus]

Stop trolling 😭

[timid gazelle]

I'm a serious man

I don't troll

I don't lie

I only seek to establish truth

[void nimbus]

Every single German Bundesland is not its own country.

[timid gazelle]

It's literally states within a state with own government, culture and and people

Sometimes even more than one people and culture within one Bundesland

Bavaria has Bavarians, Swabians and Franconians who are very different from each other, more different than Dutch is from modern German

[fierce idol]

Let's end the topic here

[timid gazelle]

It sounds like you're joking

[viral jolt]

yikes, the dutch would be really mad

[timid gazelle]

Ik ben Nederlander, what are you going to do about it?

[void nimbus]

To quote a mod:

Let's end the topic here

[tardy kestrel]

can someone explain how the word "ja" works in the middle of sentences?

like "es soll ja regnen"

[long whale]

When it doesn't mean "yes" it's a modal particle, and it's pretty much untranslatable. It can variously be used to emphasize what you're saying, indicate a statement contains nothing new, convey surprise, etc. Wouldn't worry about it too much if I were you. ;)

[tardy kestrel]

Oh, I see

Thanks! :)

[charred harbor]

I had a question I wanted to ask you specifically, if that’s okay

When you see people write “k/ein” instead of “k/einen”, does it strike you as 100% an error or do you take it as people being lazy and not get bothered by it?

[long whale]

Depends. When it's written by a native speaker, I think "Ah, uneducated slob". When it's written by a non-native speaker, I think "Error". (Maybe not the answer you were hoping for?)

[charred harbor]

Interesting!

So it strikes you as horrible/bad German when natives cut it off?

[long whale]

Of course.

[charred harbor]

Personally when I’m writing I always abbreviate einen to nen if anything, never ein, but natives seem to do it a lot

[long whale]

nen strikes me as the far better solution. Also, don't forget I'm old, so... 🤷

[charred harbor]

Yeah, I was wondering how age dependent it was

I’ve noticed younger speakers seem to be a lot less caring as a general rule

[long whale]

Very, probably.

[charred harbor]

“When a native does it I think ‘Ah, uneducated slob’.”
“But you’re a native and you always do it..?”
“Exactly.”

Kidding xD

[viral jolt]

what is this rule and how do i use it to not be an uneducated slob

is it like how in formal documents "Kunstler*innen" is written?

[long whale]

Violet was talking about native speakers writing things like Ich hab kein Bock, that's all. And please, please, please do not drop the dots on the Umlaut.

[charred harbor]

It’s not really a rule, just a language phenomenon

And by language phenomenon I mean natives being too lazy to write the -en on the end of masculine articles 🤣

[viral jolt]

achsoo, oki versteh

[nova sparrow]

In spoken german it's pretty common to use "nen" for einen "ne" for eine and "en" or even "n" für ein
Examples:
Ich hab nen Vorschlag
Ich hab ne Frage
Da war en Mann

[weak mist]

That's a lot of pleases :o

[long whale]

Well... an appropriate number, I felt. Given how weird it makes me feel to see a word without its dots. 🤷

[weak mist]

That's true.

Also, I'm still weirded out by ae,oe,ue etc.

They look so weird to me

[near venture]

i don't like them at all either, but sometimes i'm forced to write them on pc when I'm too lazy to find the alt codes

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[weak mist]

Shame on you... :D

[long whale]

Not as weird as the "naked" vowel, not even close. ;)

[weak mist]

They look weirder to me, maybe because I'm not used to it

Like

Geraeusche

That looks weird...

[long whale]

Considering "Gerausche" is actually a totally different word... 🤷

[weak mist]

That's true, but they both look weird to me :S

[near venture]

especially common words like fuer or ueber

that should get cancelled or smth xD

[weak mist]

Umlauts ftw

[charred harbor]

Yeah, that’s I do too 😆

[near venture]

are there natives who pronounce the whole thing xd

[weak mist]

Surely

[charred fog]

you use the alt codes? just change your keyboard to German in the settings. it's annoying trying to find all the punctuation but you get used to it

[plain umbra]

Or use AutoHotkey.

[fervent kernel]

Does k2 exist just for modal verbs ot all verbs?
And if for all verbs then only the modals are used colloquially right?

[viral jolt]

is there any definitive difference between statt and anstatt? a post by duden says they're 'absolut austauschbar'

[long whale]

KII exists for all verbs. Not sure what you mean with your 2nd sentence...?

[fervent kernel]

It's not used in day to day speech for non modal verbs right?

[plain umbra]

They mean that most of the time you use würden + verb instead of the direct KII form.

[charred harbor]

I’ll be honest, I thought that was a typo for kill at first and got really confused

[long whale]

Well, we also use it for sein/haben, gehen, finden, and probably a couple of others I just can't think of right now. ;)

[fervent kernel]

how do i know the k2 form of a given verb?

[long whale]

By looking it up. vocabulix is quite a good site for verb conjugation. ;)

[fervent kernel]

is it the same as prateritum a lot of the time

[long whale]

Not for the verbs I mentioned, no.

[fervent kernel]

hätte, gäb, fünd?

[plain umbra]

Not the same, but based off it.

[long whale]

Looking them up will also help you to remember them. Guessing is a very bad idea. ;)

[fervent kernel]

do jative speakers know the k2 intuitively

[plain umbra]

You can usually easily identify KII form because many of them add umlauts.

[fervent kernel]

and verbs without aou?

[plain umbra]

Like what?

[fervent kernel]

essen

[plain umbra]

The Präteritum of essen is aß, so it has an "a": äße.

[fervent kernel]

lmao

do almost all prateritums have a/o/u?

[plain umbra]

The ones that are worth knowing: sollen -> sollte, wollen -> wollte.

[fervent kernel]

i cant figure out how to use it

[plain umbra]

It's fine, you can use any verb conjugation site or a dictionary that has conjugations on it.

Verbix is another verb conjugation site. Wiktionary has conjugations in it.

[fervent kernel]

ok thx

[plain umbra]

And you can read this for more details on KII: https://www.dartmouth.edu/~deutsch/Grammatik/Subjunctive/KonjunktivII.html

[fervent kernel]

my quesiton is which ones are used in daily speech and are worth knowing

[coral garden]

you would spend your time much more efficiently by memorizing the infinitive, the 3rd person present, the 3rd person past tense, and the partizip 2 of most strong verbs

those are actually really necessary for everyday life

[fervent kernel]

so k2 is generally not used in everyday life? not even the modals?

[upbeat thicket]

I have never heard it being used outside of German lessons in school. We'd use the form with würde + infinitiv

[fervent kernel]

ok danke

[upbeat thicket]

the modal verbs like sollte etc. are used tho

[fervent kernel]

in k2 or prateritum?

[upbeat thicket]

both

[long whale]

You've never even heard anyone say "Das ginge schon", "Das ließe sich machen"? :D

[upbeat thicket]

No, honestly not where I live ^^

[fervent kernel]

as a rule of thumb if i reach a dialect dependant thing does that mean i went too far?

[upbeat thicket]

Das würde schon gehen / Das würde sich machen lassen

[long whale]

But... isn't it "Des gangert scho" vs. "Der is ganga"?

[upbeat thicket]

Des dad scho geh / Des gangad scho

Well if you consider the second one K2 then I agree - we sometimes hear that but not in Standard German, only dialect

[plain umbra]

It depends. Some things have a standard version and some dialect variants, in which case you only want to know standard. But some things don't really have a clear standard and are simply regional.

But rule of thumb: learn whatever is the most common thing.

[coral garden]

if you dont live in a place where they speak german, just learn as standard as possible. If you ever move to a place where they speak german you'll have to learn how they speak there

[fervent kernel]

how do i check what's standard

[plain umbra]

It's usually obvious but if in doubt, feel free to ask here.

[fervent kernel]

ok danke

[coral garden]

most learning material is in very standard german

[plain umbra]

Roughly what level are you btw?

[fervent kernel]

a2 or b1
i know, im probably going too deep

[plain umbra]

Yeah, I wouldn't worry too much about KII at that point, aside from the basic ones that beginners learn.

[fervent kernel]

ye im trying to learn the basic ones
i mostly asked out of curiosity

[plain umbra]

Basic ones are the ones you would have learned in A1.

[fervent kernel]

so i probably know them

[plain umbra]

Especially könnte, sollte and möchte. Those are the ones you learn first. And then also hätte, wäre and würde.

That's basically all you need for a long time.

[fervent kernel]

is sollte actually the same in k2 and prateritum

[plain umbra]

Yes.

[fervent kernel]

since you can't really get sollte into k2 because it's already theoretical?

[plain umbra]

Sollte is KII.

Sollte is KII of sollen.

Sollen is not used that much though. You don't have to worry about it until later.

And sollte as past tense isn't used that much either.

[fervent kernel]

isnt sollen should

[plain umbra]

It doesn't really have a good translation in English these days.

It's something like "shall" but that's not the best translation.

[fervent kernel]

ok

and sollen doesnt have prateritum, got it

[plain umbra]

It does, it just doesn't get used much.

[fervent kernel]

ok i will not try to understand this verb rn

[fervent kernel]

wait moechte is k2 of what?

[plain umbra]

Yeah, it's not important. You only need the KII form sollte as a beginner. That one means "should".

Möchte (not mochte) is KII form of mögen.

[fervent kernel]

yes but i dont have umlaut on my keyboard

[plain umbra]

Ich mag = I like
Ich möchte = I would like

[plain umbra]

Then moechte.

[fervent kernel]

https://tenor.com/view/wow-amazed-woah-shocked-mind-blown-gif-17460895

ok danke
also, what level is partizip 1?

[plain umbra]

Around B1.

Partizip I is usually used as adjectives so there's not much point if you don't know adjective declension yet.

Although you can use them as adverbs too which a beginner can also do since it requires no grammar knowledge aside from using adverbs.

[fervent kernel]

i mostly know adjective declension i think
like according to gender and case right?

[plain umbra]

Yes.

You can just use Partizip I like a normal adjective so if you know how to use adjectives, it should be straightforward.

[fervent kernel]

so i should probs start learning it
also, partizip 2 is just the present perfect verb conjunction right?

[plain umbra]

Yes.

[fervent kernel]

dankeschoen

[plain umbra]

You use Partizip II for Perfekt, Plusquamperfekt and Passiv.

[fervent kernel]

can you give an example in passiv bitte

[plain umbra]

Do you know anything about Passiv?

[fervent kernel]

ein bisschen

[plain umbra]

faq passiv

[fervent kernel]

or viel

idk how deep passiv goes

[plain umbra]

explain Vorgangspassiv

[stoic mauve]

Vorgangspassiv

Vorgangspassiv
The Vorgangspassiv is formed with werden as the finite/conjugated verb and the past participle of the main verb (or action verb) in the active voice sentence.

For example, when we translate The man eats the apple., we get:

Der Mann isst den Apfel.

When this sentence is converted into its passive voice equivalent, several things happen:

• The finite verb becomes the equivalent conjugation for werden. isst --> wird
• The main verb is then converted into its past participle and placed at the end of the clause, when possible. isst --> gegessen
• The accusative object becomes the (nominative) subject. den Apfel --> Der Apfel
• The subject is indicated with the preposition von or simply left out altogether. Der Mann --> (vom Mann)

Putting this together, we create the passive voice sentence:

Der Apfel wird (vom Mann) gegessen.

‼ Only the accusative object of a verb can become the subject in a passive sentence. This means verbs that govern a dative, genitive, or prepositional object can never become the subject. Instead, the object remains as it was.

For example, the verb helfen governs a dative object. An example with it in an active sentence would be:

Der Mann hat dem Kollegen geholfen.

When converted to the passive voice, dem Kollegen does not change case:

Dem Kollegen wurde (vom Mann) geholfen.

This applies equally to verbs that govern genitive and prepositonal objects:

Der Toten wurde gedacht.
Über das Thema wird kaum gesprochen.

Tenses & Moods

Present: Der Apfel wird gegessen.
Simple Past: Der Apfel wurde gegessen.
Future: Der Apfel wird gegessen werden.
Present Perfect: Der Apfel ist gegessen worden.
Past Perfect: Der Apfel war gegessen worden.
Future Perfect: Der Apfel wird gegessen worden sein.

See Also:

https://bit.ly/2Quvo8q (Pferd's blog)

[plain umbra]

Here are some examples.

[fervent kernel]

will take a look

danke und einen schoenen tag noch

[fervent kernel]

do i need to read the entire pferd's blog thingy
if not then what's a good website for passiv

[near venture]

how much easier will that make it to use umlauts

[charred fog]

1000% easier

[near venture]

fair enough xD

[plain umbra]

Well, if you switch to a new keyboard layout like German, it won't just add umlauts. You have to learn a whole new keyboard layout.

But you can just add umlauts without changing the layout.

[near venture]

the "qwertz" one or?

[plain umbra]

Yes.

[near venture]

I see

[near venture]

autohotkey like you mentioned?

[plain umbra]

Yes. Just go to #resources and follow the instructions in the pinned message, if you want to.

[charred fog]

oh wow I hear that so often I thought that Bock was just neuter

thanks for the advice on how not to sound like an uneducated slob 👍

[near venture]

thanks a lot<3

[elder torrent]

in this sentence "Das Internet ist voll von Angeboten, um schnell Geld zu verdienen." how does the zu work

[near venture]

To make your German flow, you can link two clauses by using um... zu…, which means 'in order to'. This construction is sometimes referred to as the infinitive construction.

it's a fixed clause

[elder torrent]

so "um schnell Geld zu verdienen" means in order to quickly make money?

[near venture]

quite literally yeah

@elder torrent https://youtu.be/xttZMYQ4HFE?t=22

[elder torrent]

ooh nice channel

thanks

[near venture]

^^

[fervent kernel]

do present perfect and simple past have the same meaning here?

[long whale]

Yes, the have the same meaning in German.

[fervent kernel]

which one is used in day to day speech?

[long whale]

*they

[long whale]

Perfekt, except for the verbs mentioned in the faq.

[fervent kernel]

no, in this specific scenario

der apfel is gegessen worden vs der apfel wurde gegessen

[long whale]

Yes.

[fervent kernel]

both are used?

[fervent kernel]

but mainly wurde?

[long whale]

Probably. But you'll have to keep in mind that this kind of Passiv is used a lot less in German than in English.

[fervent kernel]

so what is usually used when you need to say "it was done"

[long whale]

Look up the different forms of Ersatzpassiv. ;)

[fervent kernel]

is there a faq for it

cant find anything in english

[junior flame]

What does this sentence mean "Sie arbeiten Wand an Wand."?

[fervent kernel]

@long whale

[long whale]

No. Which level did you say you were?

[fervent kernel]

a2 oder b1

[long whale]

Well, then that topic will come up at some point in B2, I believe. By then, you'll be able to read up about it in German. ;)

@fervent kernel

[fervent kernel]

if it's used more often than passiv then why is it b2 while passiv is a2/b1

@long whale

[long whale]

🤷

[fervent kernel]

lol

[steel patrol]

What's the proper (or most natural way) to say that someone is meek? DeepL's best suggestion is "sanftmütig", but when I click on just that word it then says that the other translations of it are "gentle, docile and sweet-tempered" - which isn't quite what I'm looking for. What I'm after is something that's more like a synonym of "ängstlich" (and/or a bit pathetic).

Edit: :(

[nimble sphinx]

don't be sad :(
maybe the problem is, that most don't know the word "meek". At least, that's the problem for me. Could you give a solid definition of the word in english and maybe some example sentences. That would help a lot!
:)

[delicate tiger]

"Waschlappen" comes close

[nimble sphinx]

noice xD

[wise river]

A kurs or a solution to improve speaking
Can I improve it here

And about time
I don't have enough time

[fervent kernel]

You can definitely improve your speaking here

[steel patrol]

Hahah I guess I hadn't thought of that 😂

I'd define it as someone who has a hard time standing up for themselves, doesn't confront a person who's harassing them or is saying nasty things about them, but instead maybe just mumbles something under their breath in place of a proper response. Imagine someone with a hunched over back and shoulders turned inwards as a way of trying to 'protect' themselves (although that's quite a comical description). 😄 However, some people seem to be "meek" by nature, while others only act like that in certain situations (for example a person of high authority sternly telling you off [perhaps even shouting] for something you didn't do [or did do, but just have no good explanation for], so you just stand there, almost trembling, looking at your shoes, likely stuttering when trying to speak, hoping for the interaction to be over ASAP), etc. A time or instance when you lack confidence for sure.

Oh, damn, I didn't mean to write you a whole novel, sorry. 🥲

[steel patrol]

Apparently this mean "washrag / wash cloth" - can it really be used to refer to people as well? (Just checking)

[nimble sphinx]

hm then i think that ängstlich, verängstigt or schüchtern is kinda the best fit, although there might be a better word i'm not finding right now.
If you take the aspect of pathetic into this as you wrote in your first message, then the Waschlappen analogy is probably very accurate, but i can't say for sure

[nimble sphinx]

yes, it's used for people

[steel patrol]

@nimble sphinx Perfect, that even gives me some options then! Thanks for your help and your time:)

[nimble sphinx]

sure :) you gotta thank Present though i think, i would have never thought of Waschlappen probably

[steel patrol]

Thanks @delicate tiger as well!

[final marlin]

Now you know what "meek" means without example sentences. It means "Waschlappen". 🥰🥰🥰

[lean bridge]

Does „Gehen Sie Rechts dann Links.” work?

[timid vector]

not capitalized and needs nach before them

[fervent kernel]

Thanks for the Present new word of the day!

[grand plank]

Yes

Gehen Sie nach Rechts und dann nach Links.

[patent shuttle]

guys what are the mistakes in the sentence "Sobald du der deutschen Grenze überfährst, rufe mich an"?

[deep thicket]

Die Deutsche Grenze*

[deep thicket]

Der Satz wäre schöner, wenn er so formuliert wäre: Ruf mich an, sobald du die deutsche Grenze überquert hast./ Ruf mich an, sobald du bei der deutschen Grenze bist.

[long whale]

*deutsche Grenze; an der deutschen Grenze ;)

[deep thicket]

Ah, hab ich nicht gemerkt

Tut mir leid

[patent shuttle]

aahhh danke schön

ist "überfahren" ein Verb, das ihr benutzen würde?

t*

[modest marten]

Ja, vor allem wenn es darum geht, dass ein Tier/eine Person von einem Fahrzeug tot gefahren wurde. Die Bedeutung, die du benutzt, gibt es auch, aber sie wird seltener verwendet.

[patent shuttle]

ach ja ich hatte die erste bedeutung vergessen

klar

die Grenze überqueren klingt mir am besten an

[long whale]

Apart from the meaning mentioned above, I'd say we usually use über (as a preposition, not a prefix) etwas fahren -> wir fahren über die Grenze, not wir überfahren die Grenze

[patent shuttle]

verstanden
Danke schön

[cyan tusk]

Hello. There's a phrase "mir ist es heilig,..." . Can it be translated as "it is very important for me,... "?

[long whale]

Depends on context.

[cyan tusk]

For example
....
....
Mir ist es auch heilig, eine gute Freizeitgestaltung zu haben.

[long whale]

That sounds a bit strange. 🤔 It literally means "is sacred to me", so...

[cyan tusk]

Hmm, I just tried to use something instead of "sehr wichtig". But if it sounds strange, then I will search for another synonyms xD

[long whale]

"auf etwas (Akk) achten", "[großen] Wert auf etwas (Akk) legen" would be good 'd say. ;)

*good alternatives, I'd say

[cyan tusk]

Thank you

[delicate tiger]

Stop learning German from Ich_IEL / other Reddit meme subs

[cyan tusk]

Ehm... This phrase is written in Telc B2 book, and used in the context of being important

[delicate tiger]

I've only heard it in this meme context https://german-memes.fandom.com/de/wiki/Harald_Krull

[long whale]

It just sounded strange in the context. For example, let's say your grandfather is usually a very nice person, but he gets terribly upset if anyone interrupts his afternoon nap, you could say "Sein Mittagsschlaf ist ihm heilig".

[cyan tusk]

Ah, now I can understand this phrase better! Thx

[cyan tusk]

Btw, in a book, this phrase was said by a grandfather xD

"Meine Freizeit ist mir heilig" that's what he said

[fervent kernel]

are they any differences between german and austrian(tirol) dialects

[long whale]

Yes.

[earnest crater]

hi

[midnight flume]

hi, you can use this phrase when you ask for permission to pass between people? or is it rude
"bitte erweitern"

[tranquil flower]

I think you just mumble: "'Tschuldigung" and push through.

[noble yacht]

'Bitte erweitern' without anything else doesn't make sense, you'd have to add 'den Platz' or something like that between 'bitte' and 'erweitern'. But this prase isn't used.

Something which is used common is

Könnten Sie bitte (etwas) Platz machen?
This sounds better and is political.

Saying 'Tschuldigung' ['Entschuldigung'] as said above would be fine if you push someone but isn't as political as my sentence above;

I'd use my sentence first and if you accidentally push someone, 'Entschuldigung' will be fine. ^^

[fervent kernel]

can you say "der Satz ist überzusetzen"?

[viral jolt]

übersetzt

[timid vector]

what's the goal sentence?

[fervent kernel]

the sentence needs to be translated

[timid vector]

Der Satz muss übersetzt werden

you probably haven't learned passiv yet so don't fret

[fervent kernel]

am trying to rn

[timid vector]

the one you wrote is a less common form of passive equivalent to "The sentence is to be translated", not wrong but not likely what you wanted to say

they are actually equivalent in meaning but yeah just less common *in spoken German

[fervent kernel]

spoken vs written german is much more different than english spoken vs written right?

[timid vector]

Written german uses a different tense for past tense but otherwise no they're pretty similar

[fervent kernel]

präteritum?

[timid vector]

often more "stilted" or literary vocabulary/grammar is used in written language for both

ye exactly

[fervent kernel]

is written me submitting an essay or also me talking to internet friends

[timid vector]

yes essay no talking to friends

written when just used as a substitute for verbal communication (forums, games, social media etc) acts just like spoken german

[fervent kernel]

thx

[fervent kernel]

then whats that about spoken german

[timid vector]

saying
Der Satz ist zu übersetzen (Note: not überzusetzen, different verbs)
is less common and sounds more long-winded than:
Der Satz muss übersetzt werden

so you most likely wouldn't hear it in spoken language

[fervent kernel]

and in writing?

#botchannel cant find it so lemme go there

[timid vector]

depends on the author, it has a different feel they might wanna utilize (or they might not want to)

[fervent kernel]

when should i learn plusquamsperfekt btw?

[timid vector]

when you feel like it ig

no real reason to put it off or anything, it's simple though rarely used

[fervent kernel]

kdanke
whats the difference between von and durch in passiv?

[timid vector]

"In der Regel verwenden wir VON, wenn wir den Täter / den Akteur / den Urheber direkt nennen. Täter sind meistens Lebewesen (Menschen, Tiere, Pflanzen). Aber wir nehmen DURCH, wenn wir das Mittel oder Vermittler, das ein Täter/Akteur benutzt hat, nennen wollen."

[fervent kernel]

beispiele bitte?

[noble yacht]

@fervent kernel schau dir mal diese Seite hier an: https://deutsch-coach.com/passiv-mit-von-oder-durch/#:~:text=In der Regel verwenden wir,Akteur / den Urheber direkt nennen.&text=Täter sind meistens Lebewesen (Menschen,Akteur benutzt hat%2C nennen wollen., da solltest du einige Beispiele finden. ^^

[fervent kernel]

danke

when is introductory es required?

[long whale]

https://yourdailygerman.com/meaning-es-ist-german/

[fervent kernel]

in passiv context

from how i see it its best to treat es as gott or some force that drives everything in phrases like "es gibt"

[long whale]

I don't think you can have read through the page, because it should have answered your question. frowning

[fervent kernel]

ok sorry

[fervent kernel]

??

[grand plank]

Der Satz ist zu übersetzen
Works too

[timid gazelle]

It's the only way that works

der Satz ist überzusetzen doesn't work

[lean bridge]

können Sie mir helfen über Deutsch lernen?

does that work?

[long whale]

*korrigieren - No. , über Deutsch zu lernen

[lean bridge]

danke Sie!

Noted!

[long whale]

*Ihnen Sie

[lean bridge]

noted

[sudden cloud]

How will you say: The girl has friends with whom she often travels. Would it be 1. "Das Mädchen hat Freunde, mit den es oft reißt." or 2. "Das Mädchen hat Freunde, mit den sie oft reißt." It just sounds weird to call the girl a "it"

[delicate tiger]

*denen; reist

[sudden cloud]

thanks 🙂

[long whale]

Both/Either is fine.

[sudden cloud]

👍

[charred fog]

formally only es is correct though

[scenic sun]

yo boys

i'm trying to build sentences

and i just built this

Das ist die einzige Methode, die man dafür sorgt, dass er die Prüfung bestehen kann

can some native understand this tho? and if there is any mistakes can you just mark it?

[long whale]

No, I don't know what it's supposed to mean -> can't really fix it.

[timid vector]

well I can tell you that you can't replace man with er

you just repeat man

[scenic sun]

i meant to say that's the only method to ensure that he can pass the exam

[timid vector]

oh oops nvm

[scenic sun]

if i replaced die man dafür sorgt with um dafür zu sorgen would make sense ye?

[long whale]

Yeah, so "er", not man (impersonal pronoun, like "one", or "general you")

[long whale]

A lot better, yes.

[scenic sun]

Das ist die einzige Methode, um dafür zu sorgen, dass er die Prüfung bestehen kann

makes sense now for a native speaker?

thanks for the help ❤️

[stray basin]

What's the difference between

Ist Ihnen Kalt?
Sind Sie Kalt?

[undone verge]

the first one is the idiomatic way of asking if someone (formal) is cold.

[stray basin]

ah

[undone verge]

for reference 'mir ist kalt' = I am cold
ich bin kalt = more of a statement about your personality being cold or something

[stray basin]

riGHt

[dry olive]

Warum mag ich ein auffälliges “e” am Ende eines Nomens finden? z.B dieser Satz aus ‘Eine Frage der Höflichkeit,’ von Amor Towles:

“Noch nie hat jemand gesagt, ich spräche mit berufenem Munde, und es gefiel mir nicht schlecht”

Offenbar ist es nicht der Plural, sowohl wegen der ‘-em’ Endung bei ‘berufen’ als auch wegen die typische Pluralform von Mund, nämlich Münder. Was ist hier los?

ich glaube, ich habe auch schon mal dieses Phänomen gesehen, vermutlich mit verschiedenen Nomina

[pale drift]

could just be a quirk of the language, if it's rare enough then it's just one of those weird exceptions

"weird is a weird word"

[undone verge]

the -e on the end of dative words is an old fashioned thing...if that is what you're speaking of

[pale drift]

sorry anyways sometimes I think there's just as many exceptions to german grammar rules as there are followers

[undone verge]

Im Laufe

[pale drift]

seems tyhat way sometimes

[undone verge]

im Jahre

Nowadays it is no longer grammatical convention, but you will still find it. Particularly in 'sayings' that have been around forever

[dry olive]

ich habe das schon gesehen!

[dry olive]

beide

dankeschön!!

[dry olive]

gibts einen wesentlichen Unterschied zwischen “auf eine vs. auf einer Weise”?

ich habe dieselbe Frage mit ‘auf eine(r) Art’

[long whale]

Yup. Only the Akkusativ one works. For both.

[dry olive]

danke!

[icy flax]

Hört sich eines besser als das andere?

1. Damit die DGE eine vegane Ernährung als bedarfsgerecht ansieht, müssen...
2. Für die DGE eine vegane Ernährung als bedarfsgerecht anzusehen, müssen...
3. Sodass die DGE ... ansieht, müssen...

Auf meiner Sprache wird gesagt "para que a DGE...", also, "um dass die DGE...". Das ist war natürlich für mich klingt und daher ist mir diese Struktur mit "damit" am Anfang so komisch. Nie hab ich sie wirklich zu meinem Deutsch integriert, aber ich befürchte, sie ist als ein Beispiel schönes Deutsches zu erwähnen. Was sind eure Meinungen?? (:

[long whale]

2 simply doesn't exist/work in German. 🤷

[icy flax]

,,akzeptiere und lerne einfach"
Danke, @long whale. Deutsch und seine komischen Strukturen

[fervent kernel]

Ich höre immer wieder die Geschichte von Menschen, die an einer Party waren und erzählen mir, dass sie sich am näschsten Tag sehr schlecht gefühlt haben.
✅ ❌

[nimble viper]

Ich höre immer wieder die (gleiche) Geschichte von Menschen, die auf einer Party waren und mir erzählen, dass sie sich am nächsten Tag sehr schelcht gefühlt haben

Richtig Susana?

[long whale]

Yes. Or "Geschichten" (no article) ;)

[nimble viper]

Ah. Yeah, would that depend on whether feeling sick is a part of the story? Hard to link to where exactly the story component picks up in the sentence either way, at least for me

[long whale]

"die gleiche Geschichte" is an excellent solution. "die Geschichte" wouldn't work.

[long whale]

I'm not quite sure what you mean. To me, the problem is "die Geschichte von Menschen" + "die mir erzählen". I mean, you could say "Ich höre immer wieder die Geschichte von Aschenbrödel (I keep hearing/being told the story of Cinderella), but then, that would be one and the same story. 🤷

[nimble viper]

I mean, here is what I would have said to avoid confusion:

Ich höre immer wieder die gleiche Geschichte von Menschen, die auf einer Party waren, dass sie sich am nächsten Tag sehr schlecht gefühlt haben / sehr schlecht fühlen (ich würde eig immer diese zweite auf Englisch sagen)

Is the mir erzählen really something that adds worth to the sentence?

[long whale]

No, precisely. Here's what I'd probably have said: "Ich höre immer wieder von Leuten/Menschen, die auf einer Party waren und denen es am nächsten Tag sehr schlecht ging (und die am nächsten Tag einen schrecklichen Kater = hangover hatten).

[nimble viper]

But then you don't hear that they had a hangover, rather you hear from the people who have had a hangover

So would not: ,,, waren, dass es denen am nächsten Tag schrecklich ging'' be better for this case?

[fervent kernel]

does the placement of nicht matter apart from for emphasis?
like for example the textbook says: er geht nicht in die Disco
but i wrote: er geht in die Disco nicht

[long whale]

Unfortunately, that simply doesn't work. Here's something which will help: https://learnoutlive.com/german-negation-nicht/ ;)

@fervent kernel

[long whale]

Mm... no. Not sure why you'd think that?

[nimble viper]

I often here Germans using pronouns before names, and I never know when to do it myself. Are these scenarios right?

1. I have a friend Bob who I want Alice to meet. Alice walks in. Me: “Also, das ist der Bob….”

2. Someone asks me who I am. Me: “Ich bin der Alp…”

I just generally don’t understand why you guys do this

Also, yes, just realised that saying ‘der Alp’ could be taken the wrong way lol

[fervent kernel]

oh thank you very much

[long whale]

It's just colloquial, mostly regional/Southern. Don't do it - it'll be fine. :D

[long whale]

And thank you for this, it really made my day. 😄

[delicate tiger]

Southern and western, including most of the Rheinland, but not the Ruhrgebiet

[long whale]

Shouldn't you have pinged Alp with this? 🤔

[nimble viper]

Ich habs jetzt gesehen

[charred fog]

do people actually say was zum Fick or is that just an r/ich_iel thing

[scenic sun]

Hallo,
was bedeutet **in vergessenheit geraten **? gibt es auch ein Beispiel?

[worthy walrus]

Bedeutet in etwa:
man denkt an etwas nicht mehr
es wurde uninteressant
es wurde vergessen

[scenic sun]

Das war ein gutes Beispiel, Danke

[worthy walrus]

Als beispiel:

Die Weltwirtschaftskrise 2007 ist in Vergessenheit geraten.

[scenic sun]

man denkt an etwas nicht mehr
das war ganz genug, um die bedeutung zu verstehen

was bedeutet auch Ereignisse im Schlaf verarbeiten?

[long whale]

That is not an expression, it's to be taken literally. ;)

[scenic sun]

Well i actually couldn't understand it eitherway 🙂

[charred fog]

translate it word for word

not usually great advice but works here

[scenic sun]

gotta do that using Linguee thanks anyway

[long whale]

Can you pinpoint what it is you don't understand?

[sage canyon]

Leo is also good

[long whale]

Case for deepl.com if you ask me. 😄

[sage canyon]

DeepL gives me "Processing events during sleep"

also, "process events while sleeping"

[scenic sun]

verarbeiten

[long whale]

= to process

Figuratively, or literally, as in "textile processing" - Textilverarbeitung

https://de.pons.com/übersetzung/deutsch-englisch/Verarbeitung

[scenic sun]

okay that's clear now, i thought it's to use

Thanks for the help

[snow bloom]

Hi, does anyone know of a resource that gives you all possible prefixes of a certain verb? It could be interactive or in a list form

For example you search for "legen" and it gives you all the possible verbs with prefixes based on "legen"

[long whale]

Something like this: https://www.verblisten.de/listen/verben/vorsilbe/zusammengesetzt/grundverb-lernen/ueberblick.html

?

Although I believe something like https://www.dartmouth.edu/~deutsch/Grammatik/Wortbildung/Separables.html might be more useful 🤔

[snow bloom]

Oh this one seems like exactly what I was looking for! Thanks! Although I can't figure out how to use it. When I use the same settings in your link, but do a search for a different verb, it tells me that no verbs were found 😕

[snow bloom]

This one looks like a very nice resource too

[long whale]

Click on "Einstellungen zurücksetzen" and choose the setting in the top line, e.g. Stammformen Alphabetisch, AND choose "Grundverb" under "Gruppierung" (that's the last category among those on the right)

[snow bloom]

It wasn't working no matter what I did on mobile. I just tried on my laptop and it worked immediately. Thanks!

[scenic sun]

what do you think of this sentence tho?

man sollte wörter mehrmals wiederholen, um dafür zu sorgen, dass sie im langzeitgedächtnis bleiben werden

seems reasonable?

[long whale]

Seems fine. You don't need the "werden". However, capitalization of nouns isn't optional in German. ;)

[scenic sun]

Yeah i know that it's not an option but honestly while studying i don't care much about it just to type it as quick as i can

since i'm also practicing german keyboard as well

[long whale]

Well, it's good to acquire the habit. 🤷

[scenic sun]

Thanks for the advice, i'm planning to start with it soon enough while practicing for the exam later on by answering lots of schreiben aufgaben

however, like i always say thanks for the help 🙂

[vestal mortar]

Hallo leute! Has anyone here tried Lingoda to study German? Do you recommend it? What are your thoughts about it?

[latent prawn]

What is the difference between "wischen/abwischen"
"aus-räumen/auf-räumen"

[long whale]

Please don't post the same question in more than 1 channel - others may not realize a question has been answered elsewhere (as it now has) -> waste of time and effort. :)

[dry olive]

‘Fast dreißig Jahre später, richtete ich mich nicht zu streng, dass ich diese Gewohnheit fallen gelassen hatte’

Warum nicht ‘hatte fallen lassen?’ ich vermute, die Wortstellung stimmt wenn man dem ‘gelassen’ ganz gewidmet ist, aber, soll es nicht ‘fallen lassen hatte’, und dabei, ins ‘hatte fallen lassen’ verwandelt werden?

[dry olive]

auch, ich habe mal die Bedeutung von ‘sich richten’ quasi intuitiv geraten, aber ich kann dieses Verb (ohne weitere Präpositionen) in keinem Wörterbuch finden…

[timid vector]

Bei doppelten Infinitiven im Perfekt schreibt man es ja so, wie du es geschrieben hast, also "hatte fallen lassen", aber bei "gelassen" (oder einem anderen Partizip II) ist dies nicht der Fall. Meines Wissens ist beides möglich und gibt es keinen Unterschied

[long whale]

It's simply n°2 here: https://www.dwds.de/wb/richten#2. The reflexive is coincidental in this case (subject identical with direct object). ;)

[long whale]

*(only because I'm pretty sure you'd want me to mention it: ... und es gibt keinen Unterschied)

[timid vector]

danke

[jaunty monolith]

Ein Freund hat mir gerade etwas geschrieben, was ich umwerfend komisch fand. Auf Englisch hätte ich "that really had me rolling" als Reaktion auf seinen Witz geschrieben. Gibt es zufällig ein deutsches Pendant zu diesem Ausdruck?

[long whale]

There are various expressions which mean pretty much the same thing. Not sure how much, or whether they're still in use, though. I guess in informal writing, people just write LOL/ROFL. 🤷 What we've got is: Tränen lachen, sich kringelig lachen, sich vor Lachen kringeln, sich vor Lachen auf dem Boden wälzen, sich totlachen, sich einen Ast lachen, sich dumm und dämlich lachen.

[near folio]

und sich kaputtlachen

[weak mist]

Can someone reccomend a textbook (preferably pdf) for C1 with exercises and texts and stuff.

[charred fog]

oh yeah I have one my tutor gave to me

I'll dm it to you when I get home

[jolly urchin]

can you dm me aswell

?

[jaunty monolith]

Danke! Deinen Vorschlägen entnehme ich, dass man sich auf Deutsch in solchen Fällen nur auf seine eigene Reaktion beziehen kann (und nicht auf das Ding, was man lustig oder witzig findet). Während man z.B. auf Englisch "THAT made me laugh/had me rolling" sagen kann, kann man wohl auf Deutsch nur etwas wie "Ich lache mich tot" sagen (ohne den eigentlichen Auslöser des Lachens zu nennen). Gehe ich recht in der Annahme?

[long whale]

Well, you can always say "Darüber/Über die Geschichte [von XY und dem ABC] habe ich mich totgelacht"

[jaunty monolith]

Alles klar, danke!

[fervent kernel]

Can i have it as well

[snow herald]

What would be appropriate translation for "ein so kooperatives Agieren" and is noun Agieren similar to nouns like Tat or Leistung?

[dull igloo]

Tat/ Leistung is more like the result of Agieren

and "ein so kooperatives Agieren" would be something like "a so cooperative operating" i think. but i would have to see this in a sentence to really translate it good

[snow herald]

So its more like Tätigkeit then Tat? Sentence is: Ein so kooperatives Agieren zwischen den beiden Imperien bei einer möglichen Streitfrage war absolut die Regel.

[long whale]

Well, it wouldn't be "zwischen". That doesn't make much sense in German. -> either remove zwischen and put the empires in Genitiv, or remove Agieren and replace with Interaktion.

[snow herald]

Well I see now why I struggle so much with German. I just copy a sentence from the book I am reading and it doesn't make much sense in German🤯 Just kidding of course...

[long whale]

Oh dear! 😄 To make up for it, I'll do my best to answer your original question: It was absolutely normal for the two empires to act so cooperatively in regard to a possibly contentious situation/question.

[snow herald]

Danke, das ist sehr nett.

[nimble viper]

I have seen Germans say things like

‘Das war ein Jahr ich werde nie vergessen’ instead of ‘Das war ein Jahr, das ich nie vergessen werde’

Can I then, as a german learner, adopt this form of speech as well? It seems a little bit unconventional to me atm

[long whale]

Excuse me, but you can't have. They either aren't native speakers or they're functional illiterates. 🤷

[nimble viper]

They were all adults 😢 and native speakers

Do you want me to get the exact quote

[long whale]

shudders No, thanks.

[undone verge]

I do 👀

[long whale]

BTW, being a functional illiterate has nothing to do with being an adult (unfortunately).

[nimble viper]

I must be hearing this wrong. A group of them said ‘Ein Year (?) wir werden nie vergessen.’

Ich spinne wohl

Why would they have said year

[long whale]

Hmm... If it was a 1-year anniversary of something, it might have been "Ein Jahr! Wir werden's nie vergessen." - ?

[undone verge]

is it a public video?

[long whale]

Yeah, that's... all very strange.

[nimble viper]

So, am I hearing something wrong?

[dull igloo]

im hearing like a "2022, ein je (?) wir würden nie vergessen"

aber was soll das denn heißen

[undone verge]

Ein Year das Sie können nie vergessen

I played it out loud 5 times and that's what my partner heard I cannot make it out

[nimble viper]

ah, probably that^

[undone verge]

2022 ein y-garbledmess würden nie vergessen.

[dull igloo]

@nimble viper is that from a movie or video?

[nimble viper]

YT video, real life

Backstage thing

I think one of the people isn’t a native speaker but I know the other three are

The non-native could have organised them to say something incorrectly

Seeing as they all say it simultaneously it’d have been scripted

[undone verge]

it sounds like they didn't learn their script very well

[nimble viper]

lol

Okay, only thing I need to know is to keep using my relative pronouns

[final marlin]

I am pretty certain it's just Denglisch and nothing else. They said "Ein Year, wir werden nicht vergessen."

[undone verge]

I don't think that's what they said. But yes, I'd agree they say 'ein Year'.

[dull igloo]

it's like they try to pronounce "wir werden nie vergessen" with an english accent

[final marlin]

Now on hearing I think, 2022, ein year, die wir werden nie vergessen.
My grammer died. 💀

[undone verge]

it doesn't sound like 'werden' at all to me, rather würden with a slur. But the whole thing is a mess lol

[scenic sun]

hello, does that make sense for a native?

Ich habe den bestmöglichen erfolg erzielt

i wanted to say i've achieved the best possible results

or should i replace erfolg with ergebnisse

and reform it

[long whale]

I think "größtmöglichen Erfolg" is rather more common, but for results, yes, "das bestmögliche Ergebnis" seems more appropriate. :)

[scenic sun]

Thanks for the help

[alpine shadow]

Hallo Leute, ich nutze ab heute Readle und schon habe ich eine Frage. Es gibt die folgende Übung:

Und die zweite Antwort ist richtig, aber warum? "Werden sollen" klingt für mich etwas komisch...

Gibt es ein Fehler, oder ist es einfach eine Konstruktion das ich vorher nicht gesehen habe?

[long whale]

Definitely not possible, no.

Either - or. Not both.

*Es gibt den die folgende (no -n) Übung (why plural?)

die Konstruktion

[alpine shadow]

Sehr hilfreich, danke! Solved.

[whole birch]

Hello

[jaunty monolith]

Wie kann ich "I go through socks like nobody's business" auf Deutsch sagen? Hintergrund ist, dass meine Socken (durch Sport) ständig Löcher haben und ich muss dementsprechend häufig neue Socken kaufen

[nimble sphinx]

vielleicht sowas wie:

Meine Socken nutzen sich ab wie nichts.
Meine Socken nutzen sich ab wie verrückt.
Ich laufe Löcher in meine Socken als gäbs kein morgen.

Mit dem Hintergrund, dass du ja andauernd Geld für neue Socken ausgeben musst, passt das letzte hier wahrscheinlich sogar am besten, würd ich sagen, weil es auch ein bisschen vorwurfsvoll klingt.

"Ich laufe Löcher in meine Socken wie kein zweiter" oder "... wie kein anderer" wären auch eine Option. Die sind jedenfalls nicht so vorwurfsvoll.

[sage canyon]

Gibt es keinen Unterschied zwischen zumindest und mindestens?

[void shore]

zumindest ist mehr ein Gegenstück zu immerhin

mindestens bezieht sich eher auf zahlen oder größen, muss aber nicht sein

Aber eine klare Linie gibt es da, meines Wissens nach, nicht

[nimble viper]

Abgesehen davon, bin ich mir ziemlich sicher, dass kein 'nach' nach 'meines Wissens' verlangt ist?

[void shore]

Ich weiß nicht ob ich richtig verstehe was du meinst

Nach ist hier wie "according to"
Man sagt auch z.b.: "1+1, nach Adam Riese also 2"

[undone verge]

yeah but you don't actually say it after meines Wissens

it is a common mistake natives make

[void shore]

Oh danke 😅

[long whale]

Yup. That's right. :D

[charred fog]

dann sagt man "meinem Wissen nach"?

[frail wraith]

Hi

[weak mist]

Just "meines Wissens"

it's a set phrase

[narrow pier]

Hallo Liebe Freunde, this sentence ( Unser Flug geht um 9 Uhr ), here, the article is in Nominativ?, but

if we say ( Wir haben unseren Flug verpasst) thats in Akkusativ?, and in many places, they say possessivartikel = possessivpronomen

like this worksheet

[long whale]

Not sure what you're asking about here, exactly? "unser Flug" = subject = Nominativ vs. "etwas/jdn verpassen" -> unseren Flug = direct object = Akkusativ.

[narrow pier]

are my sentences correct?

[long whale]

Yes.

[narrow pier]

in the worksheet it does not mention the possessivartikel, it says possessivpronomen,

[long whale]

Well, but it does give you the table, so, you know exactly what they want from you. :D

@narrow pier

[narrow pier]

so its possessivartikel, and yes I know what they are asking, wanted to make sure, I am not learning it wrong

[long whale]

I usually just call them possessives/Possessiva :D

[narrow pier]

oh, are they also called that in English

[long whale]

You could just read the first 6 or 7 lines here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Possessive ;)

[snow herald]

Are the nouns Vordenker and Ideologe synonyms? If not, what would be the meaning of the noun Vordenker?

[sullen apex]

"Es wird ein großes Familienfest sein, in einem Saal, welcher über viele Tische und Stühle verfügt."
why is "welcher" used here? Can it not be "Der"

[undone verge]

welcher can be used as a relativepronoun as well. Der would also work 🙂

pretty much any time you could use the 'normal' relative pronouns, you could replace them through an appropriately declined welch-

[fervent kernel]

So just like English. Didn't know it thanks

[narrow pier]

👍

[icy flax]

when can you not?

[undone verge]

idk nothing pops into my mind

[long whale]

I think it's always possible (it's just not a very elegant option ;) )

[undone verge]

wait

with genitiv relativ pronomen?

[icy flax]

till this very day I always found "welch-" pretty fancy. It's not elegant 😮

[undone verge]

or can you also use welch- for that

[icy flax]

apprantly you cant, except if there's somethig like "weren/wessen"

[undone verge]

see I knew if I said 'you can always replace...' someone would show up out of the woodwork with some edge case to contradict me! And now I've done it to myself hahaha

[long whale]

Hehe - see?

[lost parcel]

was ist der unterschied zwischen demütig und bescheiden?

[shut briar]

Time and again I've been proved wrong

Ich will das übersetzten

Was passt am besten?

wieder und wieder wurde ich eines Besseren belehrt. (Das ist Deepls Übersetzung, ich verstehe nicht warum es eines ist)

Mir wurde das Gegenteil bewiesen

Oder

Mir wurde gezeigt, dass ich mich irrte

To be proved right is Recht behalten, gibt es eine Äquivalent für Wrong?

[novel ginkgo]

What are some general rules of thumb for turning nouns into adjectives and adverbs? This would be like the English "love" into "loving" and "lovingly" respectively.

[long whale]

I think you may find this useful: https://www.dartmouth.edu/~deutsch/Grammatik/Wortbildung/Suffixes.html Please don't try to make up your own words, though - you're likely to end up saying something you definitely didn't want to say. ;)

[novel ginkgo]

Thankyou :)

[long whale]

In this case, a literal translation won't work. If it's for an essay, deepl's got it right (jemanden eines Besseren belehren = to prove somebody wrong). In more colloquial German, you might want to say something like "Wieder und wieder hat sich herausgestellt, dass ich falsch gelegen hatte/dass ich die Sache falsch eingeschätzt hatte" ;)

[long whale]

They'd probably both translate to "humble", but bescheiden = people: modest, e.g. a person who doesn't brag about their achievements; things: humble. demütig = only works for people, and makes you think of a person humbling themselves, e.g. kneeling down and lifting their hands in supplication -> more of a negative connotation. Hope this helps.

[acoustic breach]

@timid vector

Anscheinend sind beide richtig

[long whale]

Ehh - no. What made you think both worked? 🤔

[acoustic breach]

We were discussing about in/auf dieser Sprache

Not the case dativ or Akkusativ 😅 missing context here

[long whale]

Ah. 💡

[acoustic breach]

As in should it be
In dieser Sprache
Or
Auf dieser Sprache

[long whale]

Meh - in dieser Sprache -> im Deutschen/Englischen/Spanischen vs. auf dieser Sprache -> auf Deutsch/Englisch/Spanisch - Is that what you meant?

[acoustic breach]

Something like
Ich spreche auf/in dieser Sprache

[long whale]

Frankly, I can't imagine any context where I'd say either. 🤔 But "in dieser Sprache" works at least theoretically. auf dieser Sprache definitely does not.

[acoustic breach]

Does it work with "auf meiner Sprache"?

Auf meiner Sprache heißt es xxx

[long whale]

No. Either "in meiner Sprache heißt das... (for example)" or "auf [insert language name] heißt das..."

[acoustic breach]

Hmm ok
I actually got another answer but ill stick to "in" to be safe

As in they said auf is not wrong, but in is preferred

Anyways thank you @long whale !

[long whale]

Well, "auf Deutsch" works, and so does "im Deutschen". It's just that they don't both work with "meiner Sprache". Does that make it clearer?

[acoustic breach]

Yes it's clear xD

If i continue with this logic, would it be "in der deutschen Sprache gibt es 4 Kasus"?

[charred harbor]

deutsche__n__

[acoustic breach]

If i want to be fancy with deutsche Sprache instead of Deutschen

[charred harbor]

With "deutschen" it works but I think Fälle is more common than Kasus

Just my intuition though

[acoustic breach]

Ok, ich merke es mir :D

[viral jolt]

any children series recommendations that you liked as kids and would recommend from a language/culture learning perspective?

peppa wutz reicht nicht aus xD es stammt auch aus UK und nicht DE

[knotty anvil]

Is anyone here ever rent a Hostel during Wohnunglose? For the love of god i would like to get the answer

[sage canyon]

Wenn ich ein höflicheren Weg möchte, >>Verstehst du?<< zu sagen, kann ich entweder >>Hättest du verstanden?<<(die Vergangenheit) oder >>Würdest du verstanden?<< (der Präesens) sagen?

in Englisch: "do you understand?"

[long whale]

No, those don't work. The only way I can think of is to start by saying "Verzeihung" or "Entschuldigung". Also, you probably know that if you're talking to strangers, you'd have to ask "Verstehen Sie mich?", right?

[sage canyon]

Verstehen Sie mich, formell. Ich verstehe das.

Danke

[long whale]

Out of curiosity, I did some googling for "deutsche Kinderserien", and so far, I haven't found an original German one (Sponge Bob, Bob der Baumeister/Bob the Builder, etc.) :D I guess that's the reason Peppa Wutz is such a favourite. I'd recommend my own favourite, except most people speak with a really thick Bavarian accent. 🤷

Also, I assume you wouldn't be overly interested in girls and horses (Bibi Blocksberg, resp. Bibi & Tina, at am*zon prime)

[charred harbor]

Am*zon 🤣

[viral jolt]

😂 yes that'd probably be hard for me to understand right now

[sick sinew]

Hey guys

[viral jolt]

funnily enough, I was trying out a kids series precisely in the girls and horses genre, it's called Spirits

and yeah sadly it didn't appeal to me 😂

I guess my best bet would be dubs of popular English kid shows then..

[long whale]

I'm afraid so, yes. German films for kids would be a lot easier to find/recommend, but as to understanding the actors - I'm not so sure.

[sick sinew]

Yeah, Dark it was complicated

It was a series

[shut briar]

Then for to be proved right can I just write richtig gelegen hatte? It's actually for an assignment but I have to write a few journal entries so they don't have to be like a formal essay.

[long whale]

It's going to be "nicht richtig gelegen hatte", right?

[shut briar]

No no, i mean for to be proved right. As in it turns out I was right

For wrong it would be falsch gelegen hatte like you said

For right can I just write richtig instead of falsch?

[long whale]

Ehh - this is your original sentence: #questions-2 message

[shut briar]

Yeah

[long whale]

Yes, sure.

[shut briar]

I actually need both 😅

[midnight plover]

What does it excatly means "Doch" and when should i use it?

[sage tendon]

ex doch

[stoic mauve]

Doch

⭐ doch for beginners ⭐
Germans tend to use the word doch in lots of different situations. But what does it mean, and when do you use it? ⁉

🔆 Using doch to contradict negative statements 🔆
You can use doch to contradict a negative statement/question in the same manner as you would use nein to contradict a positive statement.

(1) Laura hat keinen Fernseher, oder? - Doch, sie hat einen Fernseher!
Laura doesn't have a TV, does she? - Yes, she does!
(2) Du kannst kein Schach spielen! - Doch, das kann ich!
You can't play chess! - Yes, I can!
💡 With doch, correctly answering negative questions (with positive tags) has never been easier. Isn't that awesome? Doch, it is! 😏

🔅 Using doch as an adversative conjunction 🔅
You can also use doch as an adversative conjunction (yet, however, ...).

(3) Du hattest genug Zeit, doch du hast nicht für die Prüfung gelernt.
You had enough time, yet you didn't study for the exam.
(4) Es ist noch nicht Sommer, doch es ist fast genauso heiß.
It is not yet summer, it is, however, almost as hot.
‼ Keep in mind that doch as an adversative conjunction doesn't change the word order. ‼

🔅 Using doch as a subjunctive 🔅
Furthermore, you can use doch in concessive clauses.

(5) Auch wenn wir erwarteten, zu verlieren, so haben wir das Spiel doch gewonnen.
Though we expected to lose, we still won the game.
(6) Obwohl sie sehr nett ist, findet sie doch keine neuen Freunde.
Although she's very kind, she doesn't make new friends.

[ember lagoon]

can doch be used to disagree with a positive statement

for example

"Ich bin schlecht" "Doch"

[sage tendon]

No

[severe halo]

Is there a word for produce? (fruits and vegetables)

[icy flax]

kultivieren, produziere, pflanze und ernten? || cultivate, produce, plant, harvest||

[midnight flume]

hi, when you say sentences like **"Es fehlt was" **
That "was" is actually a "etwas" right?

[timid vector]

yeah

[midnight flume]

ty

[viral jolt]

in that case does "doch doch" work?

[fervent kernel]

No

[fervent kernel]

Doch doch means the same as doch

However you say it twice instead of once

[viral jolt]

I've seen it being used to agree to a statement sometimes. in which case is that possible then

[fervent kernel]

🤔 i've never heard it used that way before. But ok

[long whale]

The verb or the noun? For the verb it's "anbauen", for the noun it depends on context. ;)

[long whale]

A statement without any negative whatsoever in it?? That is weird. If I try to answer the question "Gehst du heute ins Kino?" with Doch, doch I trip over my tounge. :D

[viral jolt]

😂 but it's okay if the question was stated like: gehst du heute nicht ins Kino, then it'd be okay?

[long whale]

Exactly. That's what it is for. "Doch [doch]" also works for a question like "Hat er [denn] kein Geld?" ;)

[fervent kernel]

Susana i need help 😂

Is it okay to say schöne Ferien to your boss? 😂

[long whale]

Schönen Urlaub would be the usual. ;)

[fervent kernel]

Ist schöne Ferien correct?

The thing is, i've said it already. And now i question myself if it's correct or not

Because only students have ferien

[long whale]

It's not wrong. The thing is, Ferien is usually for Schüler/Studenten (unterrichtsfreie/vorlesungsfreie Zeit).

[fervent kernel]

I can now sigh in relief

I didnt make a fool out of myself then

[long whale]

Well, don't waste another thought on it. It's not like "WHAT did she say??"

No, not at all.

Here, have a large

[fervent kernel]

Haha, good to know! Thanks Susana

[long whale]

🧁

[fervent kernel]

so lieb

[viral jolt]

susana is a sweetheart

[narrow pier]

Among us I don not see any Germans = unter uns sehe ich keine Deutschen

[charred fog]

yes

[narrow pier]

Was that correct?

I forgot to to type ( correct me please ) 😅

[charred harbor]

Deutsche

[narrow pier]

.

[narrow pier]

I saw my mistake thanks

[charred harbor]

Oh, sorry

I’m being tired and dumb lol

Ignore me

Sorry sorry

[narrow pier]

Deutsche is singular right, if I make it plural, how would it change

[long whale]

keine Deutschen is correct for Akk plural

[narrow pier]

Danke

[charred harbor]

I should’ve let myself wake up before answering stuff in #questions xD

[long whale]

It's a noun, but it gets declined like an adjective: der Deutsche, ein Deutscher, etc. ;)

Germans (without article): Deutsche vs. die Deutschen

[narrow pier]

Is it a special case

?

[long whale]

What exactly do you mean? To my knowledge, nominalized adjectives always work that way.

[narrow pier]

I do not understand, there are many nouns that are declined like adjectives?

How can I get more knowledge on that

?

[charred fog]

usually it implies "person" after the adjective

"der Deutsche (Mensch)"
"der Kranke (Mensch)"

[charred harbor]

You wouldn’t capitalise the initial adjectives if you added the latter word though

[charred fog]

yeah but they're capitalized to show that the brackets aren't really part of the sentence and are just for clarification

[narrow pier]

So I have learned this but not completely ( die schöne Dame ..... ) And in the other sentence when you refer to her you say ( die Schöne )

?

[charred harbor]

That’s the principle, yeah

[long whale]

Here's the full table:

https://deutschlernerblog.de/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/Adjektivdeklination_alle_Deklinationstypen_in_einer_Tabelle-1024x608.png

[narrow pier]

👍

[long whale]

Now think of the word for "relative": der/die Verwandte - using this table, you now know which endings it will get in which case. ;)

Because yes, that's another nominalized adjective.

[narrow pier]

But they are nouns, adjectives are describing something

[charred fog]

in the right context any adjective can be nominalized

[narrow pier]

Like schön, or andere or jeder, these are adjectives

[long whale]

Think of English: you can say "the beautiful", to either mean "beautiful things" or "beautiful people". German works the same way - except for the endings English doesn't have. ;)

[narrow pier]

Yeah I understand,

Thanks

[narrow pier]

Die Deutschen sprechen immer Englisch mit mir ( Can I also say, Die Deutschen sprechen immer mit mir Englisch)

?

[long whale]

Go with the 1st. ;)

[narrow pier]

That was what was written on the page, Danke

[fervent kernel]

Kann man sagen:

"Mein Lieblingsgetränk ist Sprite und ich glaube, es wird immer so bleiben."

[undone verge]

seems alright to me

seems quite informal, but for 'correctness' sake, there should be a comma after glaube

[upbeat thicket]

glaube (glaub is only used in casual/informal German)

[fervent kernel]

Ok. Und gibt es noch eine bessere Alternative?

[long whale]

To what, exactly?

[narrow pier]

Hi, ( Mein kleiner Liebling hat heute bis sieben Uhr geschlafen ), kann man wissen, ob die Mutter über ein Junge oder ein Mädchen redet?

can you tell if she is talking about a girl or a boy, with ( mein kleiner Liebling) ?

[half arch]

No, could be either

"Liebling" ist maskulin

[narrow pier]

I am not good at declension, but would not change, with feminin and Neutrum?

[narrow pier]

I thought it is an adjective

[half arch]

Its not

It is a noun - "der Liebling"

[narrow pier]

Vielen Dank

[fervent kernel]

Kann man sagen:

"Mein Lieblingsgetränk ist Sprite und ich glaube, es wird immer so bleiben."

To this

[long whale]

I still don't get it. I mean, you can change things around a little, e.g. by saying "... und das wird es wohl auch bleiben" or "... und daran wird sich wohl auch nichts ändern", but "better"... 🤷 (As a side note, it would have been nice if you'd corrected your sentence according to previous posts: "... und ich glaube, es wird immer so bleiben" ;) )

@fervent kernel

[timid vector]

is omitting dass formally correct in cases like these

I know with dass is also correct

[upbeat thicket]

in which case?

[timid vector]

the sentence above

[timid vector]

x

I know it works just like is it formally right

[upbeat thicket]

You can omit "dass" by changing the sentence structure:
Mein Lieblingsgetränk ist Sprite und ich glaube, dass es immer so bleiben wird.
Mein Lieblingsgetränk ist Sprite und ich glaube, es wird immer so bleiben.

[timid vector]

Yeah I know I'm asking would it be fine in essays, formal letter etc

formally correct

or is it colloquial

[upbeat thicket]

Well both versions are equally correct

no difference in formality

[long whale]

I was taught the version without dass was more elegant (less clumsy/wordy). But of course, that may have changed. ;)

[timid vector]

I think it sounds that way too but sometimes what sounds more natural isn't technically right lol but ty both

or rather "correct" loosely interpreted

[fervent kernel]

Ok thanks, I will edit to correction from here on. And I will analyze your alternatives and take notes now, thanks!!

[severe halo]

The noun that refers to fruits and vegetables

[fervent kernel]

why is spannend exciting but entspannend is relaxing

[timid vector]

the prefix ent- can indicate something is removing itself from the verb, so while '(sich) spannen' can mean ' to tense; to strain', 'sich entspannen' means to relax, which is like removing the excitement/tensing of your body.

[fervent kernel]

and also indicate a thousand another things?

[timid vector]

well not a thousand but yeah it has other meanings

and u can't always rely on prefixes but here it works pretty well

sometimes the prefixes are very loose in their supposed meanings so

sometimes it's better to just say "that's how it is"

[long whale]

In case this didn't get answered: there is no noun which corresponds to "produce", at least not one which is used in everyday German. You'd have to say "Obst und Gemüse" :)

[fervent kernel]

produzieren?

wait im blind sorry

[bold finch]

wann soll man "sein" anstatt von "werden" benutzen, um das Passiv auszudrücken?

ich denke, dass ich immer "werden" benutze

[timid vector]

Das sogenannte 'Zustandspassiv' wird bei 'sein' verwendet. Man verwendet ihn, wenn man den Zustand einer Sache beschreiben will, und nicht eine Handlung, die an ihr vorgenommen wird

Du könntest 'Zustandspassiv (sein-Passiv) vs Vorgangspassiv (werden-Passiv) googeln, es gibt viele Ressourcen, um es besser zu verstehen

[sage canyon]

Lil frage:

In Englisch, wir sagen: I said something in Deutsch. (oder: I speak in Deutsch, etc.)

In Deutsch, die richtige Präposition mit diesem Satz ist auf, nicht in, ja?

"Ich habe irgendetwas auf Deutsch gesagt / Ich spreche auf Deutsch"

Es gibt idiomatische Phrasen, wo man auf benutzt...Ich denke

[timid vector]

im Englischen sagen wir*

and yes, auf is generally for when something is communicated in a language, whereas "im + (Language name)-en" is for talking about characteristics of the language itself

im Deutschen gibt es 4 Fälle
Das Buch ist auf Deutsch geschrieben

[sage canyon]

Ah, wonderful, danke!

[shut briar]

Als ich in Krankenhaus war, das ist jetzt mittlerweile 5 Jahre her

Ich verstehe nicht die Funktion von mittlerweile hier. Bedeutet der Satz gleich ohne es oder?

[delicate tiger]

*im Krankenhaus; fast die selbe Bedeutung

[long whale]

*im Krankenhaus - "jetzt" and "mittlerweile" have the same function here (it's now been 5 years), so, you can drop either without changing the meaning. (Where did you get that sentence from?)

[fervent kernel]

"Wolfgang Rihm ist ein deutscher Komponist, der ein großes stilistisches Spektrum der Werke geschrieben hat."

Kann man diesen Satz irgendwie verbessern?

[delicate tiger]

fehlendes Komma; schöner: ..., der ein weites Spektrum an Werken geschrieben hat

[fervent kernel]

Danke, stimmt

[narrow pier]

Hallo,
( als ich gestern meine kleine Nichte gesehen habe, habe ich sie plötzlich umarmt ) korrigiert mich bitte

[undone verge]

It looks good to me

[narrow pier]

Hi, ( Sie hat als Kind einen Deutschkurs and der staatlichen Sprachschule besucht und später am Gymnasium weiter Deutsch gelernt, weil ihr Deutsch spaß gemacht hat ), why did we use Hauptsatz with (als), I searched for it, but it says in ( Modalebedeutung ), the second sentence uses Hauptsatz,
in this case, it is not like this

[fervent kernel]

Als basically means as
Als Kind = as a kid = when she was a kid

It doesn't have to be like als sie ein Kind war

[narrow pier]

Thank you

[scenic sun]

I'm trying to build sentence out of words however, i've got Geraten with the meaning of gets in the example was Das Haus gerät in Brand

can i say ** Der Mann gerät in probleme**?

does it have any sense for a native speaker?

[plain umbra]

Gerät?

[scenic sun]

ye sup with it

[plain umbra]

Gerät and geraten are different words.

[scenic sun]

gerät is the Conjugation of geraten for Er/sie/es

[plain umbra]

Oh I see, thanks, I thought it was something else.

[scenic sun]

Das Gerät you thought?

anytime buddy

[plain umbra]

I thought the er/sie/es form was different.

[scenic sun]

nah that's Unregelmäßig verb

[plain umbra]

Ja.

[long whale]

For some reason, we don' usually say in Probleme geraten. We do say "in Schwierigkeiten geraten", though -> der Mann gerät in Schwierigkeiten. In fact, it's quite frequently used. ;)

[scenic sun]

alright thanks

i appreciate your help as always

[delicate tiger]

"in Bredouille geraten/kommen" als Alternative

[sage tendon]

So French

[long whale]

... and for some reason, that is always used with the def. article: in die Bredouille geraten, in der B. sein 🤷

[sage canyon]

Does: Was treibst du da? = Was machst du da? = What are you doing?

running into some...interesting...choices being made in the english -> Deutsch translation of one of my favorite books

DeepL says "what are you doing" = was treibst du da...

Aber ich verstehe nicht warum jemand diese Phrase sagt, wenn man "Was machst du da" oder "Was tust du da?" benutzen kann.

[long whale]

Pretty much, yes. Except "treiben" is rather colloquial.

[sage canyon]

Interessant...so ist es sehr informell...?

[long whale]

Probably for the same reason some people say "What's up?" when they could just as well ask "How are you?", right? :D

[sage canyon]

Oh, that's awesome

[long whale]

Well... it's not something you'd ask your boss... But it's not total slang in the sense of "your grandmother wouldn't know what you're talking about", either.

[sage canyon]

it's something you could use in normal conversation, you just would prefer to use "was machen sie" when speaking formally

?

[long whale]

Yes, that's pretty much it. ;)

[sage canyon]

Danke schön! Das freut mich.

[shut briar]

https://open.spotify.com/episode/2zFH7ABaNNukX3YwWeRlku?si=4rD38irTTDmg9NoZTBmmOQ&utm_source=copy-link

12:25

[shut briar]

It's from easy German podcast

[timid vector]

I hear 'im Krankenhaus' but that might be confirmation bias

[fervent kernel]

Ich habe den (hoffentlich) richtigen Text in Fettdruck markiert.?✅ ❌

Gehst du in die / zu der ( die ) Post? Kannst du den Brief mitnehmen?
Nein,ich muss in die / in der ( die ) Bank.

Wo hast du das Brot gekauft? Das schmeskt gut! In der Backerei Kaiser?
Nein,ich gehe immer in die / zum Backerei Kunz.

[noble yacht]

The first sentence should be "zu der".
The other sentences are correct! (There is only a spelling issue in the third, correct is "schmeckt" ^^)

[charred harbor]

Bäckerei, not Backerei

[long whale]

Ah, I see. Well, it's still "im Krankenhaus", and I'd still remove either "jetzt" or "mittlerweile" ;)

[shut briar]

Oh sorry i didn't realise you wrote about it before. Yeah it's I'm i just wrote it wrong

[shut briar]

I see, it might be because it's spoken i guess. She wanted to say one of them but ended up saying both

[smoky wasp]

can anyone help explain why 8, 17, 19, and 21 are gendered the way they are? theyre the only ones i got wrong (minus 19 but it was a guess)

[undone verge]

gender is something that you just have to memorise.

for 17: all nominalised infinitives are neutral. So 'das Schwimmen', 'das Schreiben' etc

21, most rivers are feminine.

no scratch that, rivers are variable

idk why I thought they were usually feminine 😩 so again, just memorise

[smoky wasp]

ohh i didnt know that was a river! thanks!!

[undone verge]

https://german.stackexchange.com/questions/1933/genus-der-flüsse-eine-komische-regel

perhaps I thought that because according to this user, rivers inside germany are usually feminine.

[smoky wasp]

i think i remember seeing that before

[undone verge]

there's still a lot of exceptions

[smoky wasp]

found out 8 is neuter bc eisen is iron and metals are neuter

[charred harbor]

“Why?” is kinda rude and a bit of a weird thing to ask

The why should be obvious lol

It’s not uncommon or weird to get noun genders wrong as a German learner

[undone verge]

I assume that's from the person who filled in the test 👀 or else why would there be a question mark next to 19?

[charred harbor]

I thought that was the teacher being like “Why u like dis”

[smoky wasp]

no it was me lol, im doing it out of a workbook

[last bolt]

How to distinguish between past form of vorgang passive and zustand passive?

[long whale]

Form? Or use/usage?

[last bolt]

Usage

Like i find it easy to differenciate between use cases of present form of vorgang vs zustand

But the past form of vorgang passive and zustand passive seem same to me usecase wise

[long whale]

As it says on the tin, Vorgangspassiv is about the action, usually best translated by "is/was/were being + past participle". The emphasis is on the result, the resulting state with Zustandspassiv. Perhaps I should add that Vorgangspassiv is used a lot less in German than you'd think it would, coming from English.

In spoken German, we mostly tend to use some form of Ersatzpassiv, btw. ;)

[last bolt]

I get that

[long whale]

Think about something like... you're looking at a garden full of flowers. Now, you wouldn't say "Die Blumen waren gepflanzt worden", unless you wanted to point out they hadn't grown naturally. Because looking at a garden, you're usually interested in its state, right? So, you'd say something like "Der Garten war mit Blumen bepflanzt, die Sträucher waren beschnitten"

@last bolt

Does the above help a little more?

[last bolt]

Im thinking

überlegen

[last bolt]

No i cant grasp it
Die Blumen werden gepflanzt vs
Die Blumen sind gepflanzt
I cant make out difference like what zustand is relevant here

[long whale]

Well, in the 1st, you're looking at the gardener with his shovel in his hand, and the little pots in his wheelbarrow. In the 2nd, you're looking at the same garden, but after the gardener has left.

[last bolt]

Ok cool

What about when both are in simple past form

Wurden vs waren

[long whale]

Exact same thing - just in the past.

1st - the flowers were being planted (I was watching while somebody was planting them) 2nd - I saw the result: garden full of flowers

@last bolt

[last bolt]

Now i get it fully

Thanks so much

Which type is used more in general vorgang or zustand
@long whale

[long whale]

Definitely Zustandspassiv (if not some sort of Ersatzpassiv)

(It would depend on the kind of text, actually. Manuals and letters from government agencies tend to use Vorgangspassiv a lot, and it also tends to crop up in the news a lot more frequently than it does in everyday conversation.)@last bolt

[last bolt]

So its kind of like present perfect vs simple past right?

[long whale]

What do you mean? Just as to frequency? Meh...

[last bolt]

Like zustand is used more in general convo like present perfect is

[long whale]

You can't really compare those. Because with Perfekt and Präteritum, you have a choice, you choose either based on some general guidelines (kind of verb, level of formality). With Passiv, usually, only one of them makes sense to us (Ersatzpassiv excepted). So... 🤷

[fervent kernel]

Die Muttersprache meiner Großmutter ist Niederländisch, was dem Deutschen sehr nahe kommt.
Could I replace this "was" with "wo" or "das"? I don't understand why we are using "was" here.

[timid vector]

Niederländisch hat keinen Artikel, deshalb verwenden wir was

Man kann auch was statt das verwenden, oder was verwenden, um einen ganzen Satz zu beschreiben

[icy flax]

wo no
das yes

[timid vector]

Bist du dir da sicher? Das kann ich bei Dartmouth nicht finden

'das'

[sage tendon]

Isn’t it das Niederländisch

[bold finch]

yeah, it's "das Niederländisch"

[timid vector]

Languages don't take articles in general

they are treated as neuter when needed i.e im Niederländischen

[undone verge]

I might be totally off here, but I thought that even stems from the nominalisation...
das Englische (so potentially das Niederländische)
hence: ins Englische übersetzen, the example you wrote, etc

[timid vector]

yeah they're adjectives that's why they take endings but my question related to using das as its relative pronoun even when there is no definite article

ist Niederländisch, was...

dartmouth says you can do it with nominalized adjectives using das, but nothing about without the das

which makes sense ofc

[long whale]

Mm, AFAIK, it's either "... ist Niederländisch, was..." or "... ist das Niederländische, das..."

[timid vector]

that's what I thought, thank you for your input

[scenic sun]

gibt es hier jemanden, der mit mir Deutsch üben möchte?