I guess it depends on the what's the pronunciation error is
#community-discussion
balmy steppe
And the level at which those errors are made
But like a session for reading can be bogged down on pronunciation aspects and that slows down is what I meant
Not that it's a complete waste of time but not the most efficient use of it
But that happens with more readers
It happens that someone just can't get some pronunciation right and people just eventually signal defeat lol
Or that if the role is comprehension then that bogs down. It's an interesting session problem
On the Spanish server they run a reading session just on pronunciation rather than comprehension
gaunt bridge
Sure, again, it depends on the session.
Even if you note pronunciation errors though, that doesn't mean you have to wait for the person to get it right.
You can just explain the error, show them the right way, then move on.
signal idol
aight so I may be trying to do a few lessons on Swiss German basics. Target audience being people who already speak German with some proficiency (like B1–Native), classes held in German. The first class would be a repeat of the one I held like two years ago on some very fundamental pronunciation differences between Swiss and Standard German, and on the sociological … things. After that I’d try to dedicate each lecture to some important grammar topics to look at in detail and try to provide at least one of listening and reading comprehension exercises as well as various interactive things along the way.
The goal should be to provide a foundation in understanding and producing Swiss German from which someone living in Switzerland could start to actually using it in everyday life. The whole thing would probably not go on for very long, somewhere between 5 and 10 classes at most, and I’ve not actually planned the contents yet.
Thoughts & interests?
glad fjord
Im keen! It sounds different and interesting
balmy steppe
Is there like two swiss German?
I hope it's at a time I can attend
I have questions for sure
- What's harder Germans understanding swiss German
Or swiss understanding German German
That being one
humble sparrow
there's swiss standard german which is 99% the same as german standard german, and then there's the swiss dialects which are a whole other ball game
signal idol
Or swiss understanding German German
@balmy steppe It is very hard to find swiss german speakers who didn't grow up also learning standard german. I've only met one such person, and she struggled with producing German but learned to understand it quickly. But she was also fluent in Dutch (and English, and Spanish, and Catalan. Diplomats' daughter)
signal idol
as for timing, I’m planning sometime in the european evenings, but I’ve not decided on a day yet
weekly thing, if possible
signal idol
unordered list of topics I wanna cover:
•Sociolinguistics in german speaking CH
•Pronunciation stuff
—Overview (important things)
—Some details along the way
•Declension of articles, determiners
•Declension of adjectives
•Conjugation and useage of verbs in the:
—Present
—Past (perfect)
—Subjunctive (K1)
—Irrealis (K2)
—Continuous
—Future
•All kinds of pronouns&determiners
—Personal pronouns (regular and reduced versions)
—Demonstratives
—Indefinites
—Interrogatives
•Ways to express possession
•Relative clauses
•Numbers
•Greetings & Goodbyes
anyone see obvious gaps?
a lot of this would be covered by saying “works the same as in standard german, except” so many things won’t actually take as long as one might think
(like I’m pretty sure the adjective declension table is the same as in standard german except that you have to translate the endings a bit)
I’m imagining each class except for the first to have some theory stuff first, then some practical things that hopefully involve the theory at least a bit
mossy halo
Thoughts & interests?
Mein Gedanken ist, ich wünschte es gäbe einen Bayern/eine Bayerin der/die das Selbe zum Bayerischlernen machen würde 
static dove
devout spruce
Bin einverstanden!! Acid kannst du das übernehmen please 🙂 @static dove
static dove
signal idol
okay I think I have a vague order I wanna do things in. Depending on how much I can put into a class it’ll take at least 6 classes, possibly more. I think I wanna start next week. what days are untaken?
gaunt bridge
Pretty much all the sessions recently are on Friday night / Saturday morning kinda times. (From GMT/UTC perspective)
signal idol
aight, wednesday it is. feels right
or, well I guess I’ll ask
tuesday, wednesday or thursday
1–2 hours in the european evening
can I ping activities to poll for interest?
and uh create a group I guess?
I’d preferrably not hold this in a public vc
well I guess I’ll do the first one publically and then afterwards in the group
cause the first one has a somewhat broader appeal I guess
gaunt bridge
Good question. I'm not sure if it's worth creating a group just for 6 sessions though since everyone has to sub to it and everything for it to really work.
signal idol
I would much prefer to use a private voice chat
I was under the impression that it shoulnd’t be a problem to do that
(in fact if you give me 20 minutes of digging I’m sure I can find a comment by a mod saying “next time you could also use a group” or something along those lines, from two years ago)
gaunt bridge
Yeah I meant more so in terms of creating a new group vs just using an existing one.
signal idol
I guess I can use activities, I just don’t wanna deal with people joining and not knowing what the session is about
would that work?
gaunt bridge
Hmm, technically yes, but maybe wait to see if anyone else has some opinions about it first.
signal idol
what is there to have an opinion about really? if reading groups get to have private channels I think so should other classes. and six sessions in a row is honestly more than most can say of themselves
gaunt bridge
Usually we make the groups general categories that are useful long-term rather than for just specific activities/sessions.
Each individual reading session doesn't get its own group, lol.
signal idol
I know but activities exists
I don’t really see why this has to be a point of contention
doesn’t the bot even have actual functionality for creating and deleting groups built in anyway?
gaunt bridge
Who said anything was a point of contention?? I'm literally just wondering about what the best option is out of the available options, geez.
signal idol
I dunno I feel like I’m defending myself here
which is uncomfortable
like, glad to know I just misread your comments
but it sure seemed to me like you didn’t wanna give me the tools I need to run a fluid session. and I definitely need them cause like, I remember last time some people joined the class and didn’t get the memo that this was about a dialect and was aimed at advanced people, and thought I was giving a grammar class on german or sth
and that is, well, not optimal
lofty heron
I mean, I also get people like that during the listening sometimes but it seems to work out alright if I post the session info a few minutes before we start in the activities channel. And if they are disruptive in some way, there's always a mute 😄
(which luckily didn't happen to me yet)
signal idol
well the thing is here the issue isn’t just with people being disruptive
it’s also people listening, never saying a word, and thinking they just learned some german pronunciation rules
when actually those were all about swiss german
lofty heron
Idk what to tell them if they are unable to read a session info in the first place :^)
cold shell
Some people are just curious. Some people are too shy.
They shouldn’t be discouraged from showing up
lofty heron
It should be fairly obvious though
signal idol
I mean I’m holding this one in German anyway specifically to gate off beginners
like, if you can follow me speaking german, you’re welcome
that’s my cutoff point
lofty heron
I guess if they can follow you anyway during the session, they will likely more often than not hear that this is about Swiss German specifically, right?
signal idol
yea but they also won’t be able to follow it otherwise, so it doesn’t matter ^^
lofty heron
I guess that's the point ^.^ If they can follow, they realise it's about Swiss German. If they can't, there's not really a risk of learning wrong grammar/etc. since you explain it in German
signal idol
but anyway @gaunt bridge may I ping announcement to write a quick announcement and determine a time?
(is there a better role to ping? don’t think so, right?)
we can sort the group stuff later, no hurry for that
lofty heron
uhh idk, I just wrote in #lessons and waited for some responses as to what time/if interest existed
people generally check that place for sessions from time to time
signal idol
I guess people just don’t look here yea
still, it’s a unique thing and people have the role specifically to be notified of things happening, right?
lofty heron
you can try and ping activities if you want to. You'll definitely get a better reach that way
altho I think only the bot can do that? (rly not sure about that)
I suppose you are already admin for activities?
gaunt bridge
@signal idol It might just be best to make a group just for the sessions and then delete it later (assuming no one else wants to use it). If we make a group, what would you want it to be? Dialects? Swiss German?
signal idol
Dialects is what it used to be called
got purged at some point
since no one was using it
gaunt bridge
@signal idol Okay, the group is called Dialects. Make a ping in #lessons to Activities with the info, but include in the message that people should >sub dialects for all future updates.
signal idol
alright, perfect
humble sparrow
sub dialects
gaunt bridge
humble sparrow
for ilkustrative purposes of course :p
signal idol
what actually is the command to notify activities?
gaunt bridge
Do >>help group to see the commands.
signal idol
aight
gaunt bridge
@signal idol A detailed description of how >session works is pinned in this channel btw.
signal idol
@gaunt bridge is there a way to set the date in absolute terms or do I have to open up wolfram alpha to compute it in relative terms?
lofty heron
nono you calculate it in your head like everyone else!
gaunt bridge
Right now it's a problem with our time parser for the bot so for now it's only relative.
But we will fix it.
We had a natural language time parser but it was kinda buggy so we just removed it.
At least, if I remember correctly about the situation.
signal idol
session create dialects 14d20h10m Erste Schweizerdeutschlektion. Themen: Was ist Schweizerdeutsch, Gebrauch von Hochdeutsch und Schweizerdeutsch in der Schweiz, einige wichtigen Unterschiede in der Aussprache.
jovial zealotBOT
Okay @signal idol. Your session has been scheduled for in 2 weeks, 20 hours and 10 minutes.
fathom vector
@signal idol Would something like >session create group "yyyy-MM-dd HH:mm" description be acceptable for the time being? Potentially without the quotes on time if I can pull it off, but I do need to rewrite the argument parser to be a bit more powerful.
fathom vector
lmfao yeah sorry that was a brain fart
signal idol
have people spell out vierzehnter August zwanzigzwanzig
nimble pebble
balmy steppe
This should be a double Chevron command
signal idol
I’m waiting for the >< commands
signal idol
< goes to a third bot that has the help database for both bots but refuses to tell you which commands belong to which
balmy steppe
Haha
signal idol
ne aber ich würd’s schon gern besser können :P
aber ich brauch schon meine ganze Energie, um für die Schule zu lernen
es geht einfach nicht gut
balmy steppe
Achso
gaunt bridge
@balmy steppe Why double?
balmy steppe
Joke
gaunt bridge
👀
balmy steppe
I'm trying to figure when it's single when it's doublr
signal idol
I legit can never remember which commands are on which bot either
balmy steppe
But I've only 1 data point
gaunt bridge
If the command still exists on the old bot, the new bot has the extra one.
gaunt bridge
Yeah.
signal idol
i.e. help is the main confusion
balmy steppe
I thought it was weird programming inconsistency
balmy steppe
Okay. Then I'll wait then to lodge my volleys of complaints
lofty heron
I would appreciate a better way to schedule a session yes c: Now I always awkwardly wait for the perfect minute to post my previously calculated time lol
nimble pebble
balmy steppe
How would you like to have it catto?
lofty heron
I mean, Arrem's proposal is perfectly fine. He's even using the superior date format
lofty heron
pls no
glad fjord
Yes for the bot it would be nice to enter a time as a date, relative to UTC or your local time zone
I get the schedule time often wrong by an hour
gaunt bridge
You can always use something like this for now: https://www.tickcounter.com/
fathom vector
Sorry BBT we use Vienna time because we do not love every timezone like we love your dog who we do not hate.
glad fjord
I see how it is then
cold shell
I was wondering if there is a way for the bot to post its info in #botchannel and tag whoever summoned them in other places? This way other channels won't get clogged in bot info
If you don't want that to happen of course. If it's all the same for you then disregard
gaunt bridge
@cold shell You mean with like faqs and stuff?
Or do you have a specific example of what you mean?
grave knot
With most things, I believe.
gaunt bridge
"most things" is super vague though.
cold shell
Literally most things tho. Like session info
I have no idea what else the bot has but damn it has a lot of stuff
signal idol
it would still have to post a “please check out #botchannel” or sth and depending on the circumstances that may be better or worse
cold shell
Which is why I said tag them
signal idol
often the >faq command is invoked to show the thing to someone else
it would tag the wrong person then
grave knot
"most things" is super vague though.
@gaunt bridge Redirect every command to #botchannel.
cold shell
I'm not defenting my point because most of the time y'all deny it anyway and that's cool, I just saw someone asking people to use the #botchannel , and there IS a #botchannel , and I think I've seen a mod ask people to do it too, so I was wondering
grave knot
That sort of "most things".
cold shell
If the #botchannel isn't for this stuff then disregard
signal idol
the >sessions command in particular is an issue
I’ve brought it up internally earlier today
arrem said he’s working on a solution ^^
cold shell
Oh cool
signal idol
but there’s some issues with the bot that need to be fixed first
gaunt bridge
Babsi, we can't resolve a problem if you don't actually describe what the problem is. It has nothing to do with "defending". The point of these discussions and these clarification questions is not about defending or denying. It's about understanding the issue so that we actually resolve it.
cold shell
This issue mostly arises with sessions
often the >faq command is invoked to show the thing to someone else
@signal idol Cuz this is a good point
So if someone is working on a solution for the sessions thing that's cool
signal idol
my suggestion, for refercence, was to allow >sessions to be only used if either (a) you’re in #botchannel or (b) you’re a session holder yourself
ie if a non-session-holder tries to use it outside of #botchannel it just tells them to go there
that should stop most of the spam
but the bot currently can’t do that
gaunt bridge
Yes, we were already planning to look for a solution for it because it's pretty annoying.
But we don't have any specific bot-feature that deals with it yet.
cold shell
I would say just create a channel with session info but ¯_(ツ)_/¯
Good chat
Thx for clearing stuff up
signal idol
the automatic updating of relative times is handy
gaunt bridge
No problem, and keep in mind for future, this is why we have these discussions, Babsi. Not to deny people but to clear everything up.
balmy steppe
I was like oh... Base has a pet name for Sascha (Babsi <-- Bascha)
humble sparrow
https://canary.discordapp.com/channels/221708975698083841/381911915095654401/738742036366360686
It's confusions like this that make me feel like the purpose of #beginner-german needs to be better defined and/or redefined
grave knot
:]
gaunt bridge
What did you believe the purpose to be? @grave knot
lofty heron
I thought it's used for corrections from the #writing channel :^)
grave knot
^
humble sparrow
I feel like #general, #general-2, and #german-only fill the conversation practice niche. And the way it's often framed in #writing is that practice is only for corrections from #writing even though it's been used for a variety of things.
Another user, seiji, I think, bought the same issue up before but the formal suggestion got rejected
gaunt bridge
And the way it's often framed in #writing is that practice is only for corrections from #writing
I believe you've mixed it up. It's not that #beginner-german is only used for writing, but rather, #writing is only used for posting texts.
humble sparrow
But the messages stating as such in #beginner-german can come across as implying #beginner-german is only used for those corrections
gaunt bridge
Which?
humble sparrow
I'll see if I can find some, as the forwarding messages are often later deleted for channel cleanliness
lofty heron
I think what sun means is that, when there are questions about corrections in someone's text, they are usually rerouted to #beginner-german (?)
so #writing doesn't get filled with questions
gaunt bridge
Sure, but I don't see how that implies that #beginner-german is only used for that.
humble sparrow
not really, catto
lofty heron
lol then I'm mistaken :^)
that was my impression at least 🤔 Quite a few peeps started asking in #writing and got rerouted to #beginner-german to get them answered there so I always believed that's its purpose
gaunt bridge
Practice is a place where you can talk about or practice German learning activities of any kind without being interrupted by people (e.g. people making jokes or something about your activities are forbidden).
signal idol
tbh practice should just be renamed to whichever 1–2 word phrase best abbreviates #place-for-prolonged-discussions-about-corrections-of-texts-and-stuff
gaunt bridge
@signal idol That's not the purpose of the channel though.
humble sparrow
I think the description #beginner-german could be better rewritten to reflect that, base.
gaunt bridge
It's for all practice activities as just a general learning space.
signal idol
I can probably count at one hand the times when someone actually did a practice session in that channel
in my what, two years? of being here
the supposed use case of that and the reality just don’t align
humble sparrow
I agree with sascha in that I rarely see it used for practice discussions, especially in the past several months
gaunt bridge
I have used the channel many, many times for practice activities.
Even if not recently.
signal idol
I do think to recall them more commonly around when I joined this server
I reckon the time of that stopping kinda lines up with the time we started directing corrections and stuff to there
like, I have no evidence of this but it’s what my gut says
and also what would make sense to me
gaunt bridge
No, it's not the case. The thing which reduced the number of practices is just that there aren't people around right now who are motivated to do it.
signal idol
that is a very confidently made claim
humble sparrow
I also agree with sascha in that the policy change regarding writing shifted the focus of the channel
gaunt bridge
Yes, those people practice in #german-only and #general , so they don't feel any need to use #beginner-german .
humble sparrow
Which makes #beginner-german somewhat redundant for that purpose then?
signal idol
at which point one should wonder whether the existence of practice with that name and stated purpose is still necessary
gaunt bridge
The kind of activity #beginner-german has usually been used for is stuff like people doing a worksheet together, vocab challenges, etc. The kind of thing that's not really a discussion and can disrupt the normal channels.
humble sparrow
and when was the last time it was used for that?
gaunt bridge
I have no idea. I don't keep track of that.
signal idol
I mean I do agree that it might be a good thing to have that, but I wonder if perhaps it’d be better to officially repurpose #beginner-german into what it is actually used now (and finding a good new name for it), and then directing worksheet practice into #lessons, which is dead outisde of actual lesson times anyway
humble sparrow
Might be worth looking up. I think the use of the channel has transformed dramatically, so either the description of the channel shoul be altered to make its purpose clearer, of the purpose of tlhe channel should be altered to match actual use.
signal idol
and I mean working on a worksheet together is basically a mini-lesson anyway
“we” being? last I checked I was an active member of this community too and I don’t share this preference. I also don’t recall any such internal discussions ever having taken place
in channels where I have access to at least
gaunt bridge
"We" is the mod team.
signal idol
I obviously can’t know what you guys are discussing in the mod channels but I’d assume you’d take the helpers’ opinions into account for something like this, since you seem to usually value our input
gaunt bridge
If you want to address it with the team, you can. I'm just stating what our view is up until this point.
fathom vector
Another user, seiji, I think, bought the same issue up before but the formal suggestion got rejected
Revoked by submitter actually.
signal idol
with the community
humble sparrow
and the revoking was unrevoked because i added on my own submission @fathom vector
signal idol
well technically it’s me hijacking sun’s addressing it but whatever
humble sparrow
There is also certainly a mismatch in the #282831147942281216 description of the channel, and the discord description.
In this channel you can actively apply things you've recently learned. Feel free to study or practice with other people in this channel.
That at the very least should be updated to include the #writing corrections addition.
And I think it wouldn't hurt to add that bit from #282831147942281216 into the discord description because I believe the current discord channel description is a bit ambiguous
gaunt bridge
Sure, updating descriptions isn't a bad idea, if a better one can be decided.
But we probably won't update #282831147942281216 at the moment since we're planning soon to rewrite some portions and we'll probably do that all at once.
humble sparrow
This channel is for German study, practicing new things you've learnt, and discussion of / corrections from #writing only. Keep other conversations to the general discussion channels and try not to interrupt learners.
That is my proposed discord channel description update.
onyx thunder
Hey @vagrant python, thanks for posting the translation practice in #study-tasks. I was just wondering if you, or anyone else really, felt the same way as me. I think the "A level" sentences have some vocabulary which would necessarily be classified as "beginner-friendly". "Pregnant", "gills", "fish [schools]", "male seahorses" and etcetera.
Maybe it's just me, but I felt like the sentences could have used the vocabulary which could reflect the knowledge of an average beginner in a better way. Maybe something about food, kitchen.. or even more general terms about fish and water? "I bought a new aquarium with fish in it" or something. Hope you get what I mean.
gaunt bridge
@onyx thunder The sentences are generally intended to be written using a dictionary for words you don't know.
onyx thunder
I know, but I just feel like as if the word for [fish] schools isn't something a beginner would want to learn necessarily
gaunt bridge
Well, the topic of the translations is fish.
And school is a common word to know within that topic.
vagrant python
Danke fürs Feedback, @onyx thunder . Ich versuche, Sätze eher nach Grammatik als nach Vokabeln zu kategorisieren. Ich erwarte, dass jedem neue Wörter begegnen, die nachgeschlagen werden müssen. Deshalb versuche ich, nur Wörter zu benutzen, die man leicht in leo.org oder dict.cc finden kann, und nur Grammatik zu benutzen, die A/B Niveau Leute hoffentlich kennen. Es ist mir wichtig, dass man versteht, wie man diese neuen Wörter einsetzen sollte.
Es stimmt wohl, dass manchmal die Wörter und die Grammatik nicht immer geeignet für ein Niveau sind. Ich versuche das zu verbessern, aber es ist ziemlich schwierig, immer richtig zu machen. Davon abgesehen, Die Übersetzungsaufgaben sollten auch eine Herausforderung sein und daher sollten ein bisschen schwierig sein.
Maybe something about food, kitchen
Ich hab das ein paar Male getan, aber jeder lernt das von seinem Kurs oder Lernbuch. Ich dachte, es wäre also interessanter, wenn man sich mit neuen Wörtern von einem ungewöhnlichem Thema anfreunden würde.
gaunt bridge
It's also important to remember, "Level A" basically includes everything all the way up to the start of B1. So it's natural that some Level A stuff is very difficult for beginners.
vagrant python
Das nächste Thema ist übrigens "das Internet" und sollte etwas einfacher sein.
gaunt bridge
Or you could even count it as up to the end of B1 (since you're still labelled as A2 until you finish studying B1).
vagrant python
du kannst gerne einige Sätze weglassen, wenn du sie nicht übersetzen willst.
onyx thunder
Thanks for clarifying, that makes more sense!
arctic mantle
I was just trying the translation exercises and actually find them extremely useful. Because usually in textbooks we learn vocabulary for adult learners and we never really go into the easy words that natives learn as children, like fish vocabulary
which although the former is necessary for passing tests and things like job interviews, the latter is neccessary as well if ones goal is fluency
lofty heron
I know Blue has already asked about something similar in suggestions, but could there be a way for session holders to "pin" certain info about sessions without invoking post everytime? Would be especially helpful for sessions that have the same rules everytime (like explaining how the reading sessions are usually held, or in my case how the listening functions).
I just caught myself completely forgetting to post the info for this week 😓. Currently I always have to go back and copy/paste most of it for the next session.
I know the command is pretty new and experimental, but if you decide to continue with it, a feature like that would be very welcome! This could also probably help with the dialect session 🤔
chrome shadow
Session Holders already can pin messages in #lessons and the group channels if that's any help 
I'm still in favour of implementing the bot based approach Blue proposed but there were some concerns/issues last time that should probably get resolved first
lofty heron
I guess pinning in #lessons would be ok for now, just have to remind in the info that the rules are pinned in there x) I just thought it would be nice to have something like:
- session holder writes down the rules of a session with some command
- invoking session info automatically puts said rules in the embed
but ye, we'll see how the session command evolves :^) I'll write the rules down as a pin for #lessons later 🙂
I know that would require quite some work to implement >.<
humble sparrow
It's all in the helper doc that i i'm not sure if the mods actually read but i've definitely suggested having pre-filled into templates for certain recurring events to come with the bot command on there
chrome shadow
the implementation shouldn't be a problem
the concerns were more about the situation that can arise from re-using sessions from the past as a template for recurring future lessons and then forgetting about them
for example if you schedule 4 session in advance you might forget that you did that and you make a lot of people show up for nothing if that makes sense
humble sparrow
i don't think you understand what i meant. I don't mean in the sense of the session recurs on a regular basis. I mean every reading/translation session follows exactly the same format therefore adding an argument into the session info command that automatically adds a pre-fill of what a reading session is would be super helpful
lofty heron
^
if you could add a keyword with the creation of a session (aka is it reading, listening,somethingelse or nothing) which then just adds the info to said session or something like that
chrome shadow
not every reading has the same rules, it depends on who is holding the lesson
that applies to all groups
humble sparrow
So if hecke were to schedule a session for tomorrow she'd put in
session create reading 24h B1+ This week's text will be a chapter from momo.
And then the >session info output would be
In 24 hours
[ID: #] (Reading) (B1+)
[A prefill of what a reading session entails]
This week's text will be a chapter from momo.
lofty heron
I mean, everyone could make their own and give it a keyword name? I doubt you'll get flooded by templates, looking at the amount of people holding lessons here in the first place
humble sparrow
I've been to enough reading sessions hosted by different people to be able to confidently say that they're similar enough that a rough rightup of how they're run would work
Especially if the templates are workshopped and agreed on here in community meta. A bit of uniformality in how they're run would also make it easier for new people to jump in on hosting such sessions since there's a pre-set 'standard format'. And it would be no skin for any host who wants special rules to add them in their own extra descriptions
chrome shadow
I think that would work yeah but if I understood catto correctly that is not entriely what he means
what you proposed certainly makes sense but since it would apply to all lessons it would have to be very generic, which of course already saves you some time but it still doesn't solve the problem that you would have to copy each post if you slightly divert from the standard
humble sparrow
Not all lessons, but each category of commonly occuring formats. and of course you can write it up the old fashioned way if doing something different
but this has all been in the doc for months
lofty heron
Generic templates sound like a neat idea as well like sun described. IF someone wants to hold their session differently then yes, they'd have to write their own template but I'm not sure how many people would do that 🤔
What I had in mind specifically:
The bot saves templates for sessions that are scheduled regularly but follow the same rules/principles every time (something like session template?). There could be some generic templates like sun said, which have the structure of a certain session pre-made (and unchangeable maybe) so if you want to use a format that "works" you can just use that. If someone comes along and wants to do a new session entirely (or wants to switch it up somehow), they just create a new template and give it a name (keyword).
Everytime they create a session, they put the keyword in the command so the bot can add the template to info if it exists. This way you wouldn't have to post the same rules over and over again for every session you create.
chrome shadow
I'm a bit hesitant on agreeing with the keyword and everyone being able to add their own templates but overall I think it would be a nice addition to save everyone some time
lofty heron
I guess you could amend this to say "changes to templates (either edits or entirely new ones) have to be discussed in #community-discussion "?
if there's concern about too many new templates popping up
lofty heron
@chrome valley Hey, you said in #lessons that stuff is kinda confusing and I wanted to know what exactly that is. What info is outdated or not present in #282831147942281216 ? (Asking because IIRC there are some efforts underway to rewrite info and that would maybe be valuable input right there)
balmy steppe
Red-eye probably has this channel muted
lofty heron
They should still see the ping right?
chrome valley
@lofty heron right :) I need to sit down at the computer to go through the info again
Or maybe not, however I don't have this muted
gaunt bridge
Feel free to share your general thoughts on what makes the server confusing for you to use.
Since we're always happy to hear about people's experiences.
Hey guys. Is anyone here interested in hosting Beginner German sessions (you don't have to make content, just use the ones I made - but you're welcome to add your own things as well), for a time suitable for Europeans?
If so, just let me know here or DM me.
I'll ping some of the people who might be interested but don't feel obligated to volunteer: @humble sparrow , @glad fjord , @midnight dune
glad fjord
I sadly have exams for the next two weeks so i cant help you out for a little while
gaunt bridge
Would you be interested after exams?
Because for example we can also have one person starting and someone else taking over. That kind of thing can be arranged.
glad fjord
Id be willing to cohost with someone for a couple and then do some myself
gaunt bridge
Okay, I made a nice doc to make it easier for people, since I think a few people would be interested in just doing part of the sessions or individual ones.
The dates aren't set but it gives people something to work with if they want to plan things out.
chrome valley
Ok, first to say, I did read both info and announcementsm, and it was just tons of it. my brain couldn't remember it all. On this second read, announcements were the one that confused me more, definitely.
I mostly use phone, so that makes it a bit trickier to make notes or fast switch between two channels.
Info channel is definitely better.
Maybe useful would be to have really short advice on the very top of it - like
-
if you feel overwhelmed, mute almost everything except x, y and z - it's done like this
-
check pinned posts for channels - like this
-
Then list few most needed bot commands:
cefr A
groups
sub grammar
sub reading
sub activities
group mine
group leave x / unsub x
faq beginner
lessons/sessions
And then the rest as it is. I think it's helpful, definitely, it's just huge :D
Next, under info are some different commands
Also, both group help and help group didn't give any result at botchannel so I had to guess some and backread the channel to see what others have used
I remember help at botchannel having much more pages
Maybe it would make sense to make some #bothelp channel and list everything available with exaplanations there, so that we don't need to scroll through pages using emoticons
Or just have pinned message in bot channel?
Now, confusion part
- what's the purpose of two question channels? in terms, when we should use each?
- what's the difference between practice, questions, allgemein?
- and from writing?
- I must say that I didn't get what's the community meta from the description there
and then biggest confusion - voice channels
- first, why two written chats for voice, what does this mean? when we should use which?
- when to use practice room, when nur deutch, when study group
- can we just drop in and listen, or there are some soft rules about where yes and where not? (I was extremely anxious even it really wasn't eavesdropping)
Also, good info to add would be that some voice channels may appear in different areas, ideally, write which and where
Hope this helps 🙂
@lofty heron
gaunt bridge
what's the purpose of two question channels? in terms, when we should use each?
They're the same. We just added an extra one since the other one is sometimes busy and people try to ask questions over the top of each other.
what's the difference between practice, questions, allgemein? and from writing?
Reading the descriptions / topics of these channels will tell you about them.
first, why two written chats for voice, what does this mean? when we should use which?
Same as for #questions . We only had one but it was a bit busy so we added another one.
when to use practice room, when nur deutch, when study group
Reading the descriptions of these channels will tell you about them.
can we just drop in and listen, or there are some soft rules about where yes and where not?
Yes, anyone can listen at any time. You don't need permission.
Also, good info to add would be that some voice channels may appear in different areas, ideally, write which and where
Can you explain more about that?
Then list few most needed bot commands:
The important bot commands are already in #282831147942281216
Maybe useful would be to have really short advice on the very top of it
There is advice for beginners at the top. But I am planning to try to make some more extended advice for specific things, like "how to use the server" kind of stuff. It may take a while to complete though.
Do you know how to view channel topics? @chrome valley
If you're on your phone: go to a channel and swipe left, to open the username list on the side. Above the username list you will see a short description of how the text channel works.
chrome shadow
(or just use >purpose channelname)
gaunt bridge
Yeah, on this server you can use a new bot command called >purpose that we just made, which you can use to learn how things work.
But I wanted to give the above advice to show how you can find this info on any Discord server as well.
After all, we don't have any mention of >purpose yet in #282831147942281216 , but we will sometime soon.
chrome valley
question was what I found confusing in info, so I wrote that, that from the info it wasn't clear
and when I checked few, they had the same thing as in the info, so I didn't check every single channel
now i've checked writing and corrections's description, and realised that in writing we should link only texts for correction, while comments on it goes to correction channel
I have my discord server(s), but without bots
So I know how to get by, just not on this one and especially when bot on help or help command doesn't give anything useful
also, how to censor something, not in info
I mean, you asked for feedback what I found confusing, so I shared
I found my answers or will 😄
lofty heron
the censor stuff is Discord built-in, not server specific btw 😉
chrome valley
yeah, but it's not that I ever had to censor something 😄
gaunt bridge
Okay, and just a response to the group help thing, it's just because we're in the middle of transitioning between two bots right now.
chrome valley
but also, I doubt that most of members who come here have their discord servers
I haven't when I first came
gaunt bridge
So the new bot has >>help instead of >help as the command.
This will be fixed soon though.
chrome valley
cool 😄
I don't know if leadership changed between 3 years ago and now
but I find you much more approachable and friendlier 😄
gaunt bridge
Yeah it has changed a couple of times.
chrome valley
and this info is definitely better 👍
gaunt bridge
And yeah, we are constantly working on improving the server so things are always getting better.
chrome valley
that's nice, definitely 🙂
glad to came for the third time
although, it wasn't easy
on reddit you're not mentioned anymore
gaunt bridge
Yeah, true. I'm not sure the reason for that, but we're unrelated to the reddit page so we haven't really worried about it.
A lot of people still come here from there.
chrome valley
first when I came, this was official or so i thought, discord server for that reddit
maybe I remembered wrong
gaunt bridge
Yeah, you remembered wrong. We've always been separate.
They just happened to link us there for a while as a resource.
chrome valley
aaaa I see
thanks for the clarification 🙂
and thanks for adding date/time into bot for lessons! 😍
gaunt bridge
Np.
Anyway, just in case people didn't see it, I'll repost what I posted above:
Hey guys. Is anyone here interested in hosting Beginner German sessions (you don't have to make content, just use the ones I made - but you're welcome to add your own things as well), for a time suitable for Europeans?
If so, just let me know here or DM me.
Check pins for a handy document which we may use to help organize the session if multiple people want to volunteer for different days.
teal wasp
I could help out. I used to teach German 🖐️
gaunt bridge
Okay, feel free to add your name to the first couple of sessions. Multiple people can put their name to the same session. I just want a basic idea of who wants to volunteer in the near future.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1O2_CJyoVuiHWrakGCPL5EdtqjXllm-cUWQ-wEBQ4QoM/edit
@teal wasp @glad fjord @nimble pebble
Putting your name doesn't mean you have to totally commit to it btw. It just means I'll talk to you about it.
glad fjord
@chrome valley ive also been thinking about forming a weekly group to discuss some topics in German, if you also think it would be a fun idea then maybe we could plan something together
@humble sparrow this could be a fun free version of that C1 course
humble sparrow
I'd be interested
chrome valley
@glad fjord I was thinking more along the line - what would be easiest way to form a study/discussion group on the fly
And that people interested in it can see it without reading bunch of chat
And that it can have host and regular occurrence but also that anyone can initiate the topic
Something like
'discussion on topic - your funny moment with german mistakes - starts today in 2h'
We don't have channel for that, right? I mean, the place where we can watch such announcements and join when we like the topic
I mean, I definitely would like to have something regular and have ideas
However I'd also like that others can propose a topic and if I have time, I can jump in ;)
glad fjord
I find this to be a very nice idea, and would be keen to help out with it
You could set up this idea through one of the groups, and the lessons infrastructure, but that requires anyone who wants to make an announcement to have permissions to do it
Or a new channel could be made, a bit like #thing-of-the-day where anyone can add something such as your suggestion there, and people can check the channel and join groups when they feel like it
chrome valley
@glad fjord yeah, I think permissions are a bit tricky, for those who would like to just discuss something today
I think new channel where only announcements about this online meetups are could be the right thing
And then if someone like you/me can offer some fixed times and hold such groups regularly can be something done with permissions/roles
But I think it's not necessary for testing the idea, yeah :)
@gaunt bridge what do you think about it? Doable or not?
lofty heron
Hey, any modsies around? :3 Wanted to ask which details are needed for the template stuff ^.^
fathom vector
Unless anyone has any other plans, we'll probably reach out to you guys soon. Everyone's had the chance to see how the command works now, so before doing anything to it, t's goo to have a talk with the people using it and see what the exact wishes and expectations are, which is a more detailed talk than what can be done over the suggestion system.
Atm we're working on improving resources, so I believe we can get to sessions after that.
lofty heron
kk thanks Arrem ❤️
jovial zealotBOT
gaunt bridge
ID: 22.
glad fjord
okay, ich hab meinen Namen bei den Sessionen am 29. und 5. gemeldet, hast du schon einmal diese Sessionen gemacht?
die Themen sollen Begrüßungen und Haustiere und Konjuntionen und Nebensätze
gaunt bridge
Bulli is hosting the first 2.
glad fjord
jap ich sehe schon, ich meine hast du schon mal diese Unterrichte unseren Lernden beigebracht, wobei ich meine, gibt es schon Hilfsmittel und Resourssen?
oh tut mir leid du unterrichtest nämlich im moment, alles in Ordnung gib mir Bescheid zu einer anderen Zeit
nimble pebble
Bis zur 8. hat Base jetzt alle gehalten und du kannst Unterlagen dafür findest du angepinnt in #lessons oder einfach hier: https://discordapp.com/channels/221708975698083841/224227249002381313/726489175758602330
:3
gaunt bridge
Oh sorry I forgot to reply.
latent relic
Are there any lessons for intermediate or advanced speakers scheduled?
humble sparrow
Not currently with a booked in time
latent relic
Where can I find Hörverstehen?
chrome shadow
@signal idol gefällt dir besser ?
signal idol
das sieht für mich nach der Zeit aus, an der die Nachricht geschrieben wurde
signal idol
wie wär’s mit
📢 User issued a ping for group
Session #id, date at time
text
chrome shadow
signal idol
vllt die Zeit in Klammern?
chrome shadow
glaube ich finde das andere besser vielleicht auch nicht, ist einheitlicher zu >sessions
signal idol
mir gefällt das
chrome shadow
ist erledigt 
>sessions und >session info zeigen jetzt auch den host an
balmy steppe
Sesión 1 09-27 15:34 UTC
gaunt bridge
@craggy kestrel What kind of lesson are you interested in?
craggy kestrel
I'm not sure, I haven't tried any lessons here before. something general to practice talking and learn more vocabulary
gaunt bridge
Okay, I see.
The common types of sessions we have are:
- grammar (such as the current beginner sessions)
- reading (people read a text together)
But we always have room for any other types of sessions.
And if you're interested in hosting something yourself, you're also welcome to do so. Just let us know.
craggy kestrel
thanks for the information!
gaunt bridge
Np.
chrome valley
@gaunt bridge I guess you probably missed ideas above about having a way to organise ad hoc or more regularly some hangouts on specific topics (eg 'read this and then we'll meet and talk about it' or 'I'd like to talk about corona/food/music in your country / crafts /etc)
I was thinking in direction of having a channel where people would be able to subscribe and get notification if someone comes and says 'in 15 minutes, let's talk about x', and that it isn't drowned in general or somewhere
so not chat channel, but more like 'ads for hangouts'
I think this summarizes the idea, but I've also wrote a bit more if you scroll up
What do you mods think about it, what would be doable?
@glad fjord you, also had some ideas in that direction, maybe you could describe them so that they're at the same place?
balmy steppe
It's an activity @chrome valley
chrome valley
@balmy steppe sorry, I don't understand what you mean by this?
glad fjord
we could use the sessions system and organise them using the activities group
It blocks out a lot of people from doing it spontaneously since you have to ask to have group ping permissions or set up a lesson?? I think
Or the other idea discussed was to have like a channel where anyone can just post a time and topic and meet in practice
The channel was discussed to just be like a listing of chats people planned, so no chatting in there
balmy steppe
I'm saying that activities are far and in-between and this can cover that... Which is to meet and do x @chrome valley
Well at least it's how Ive used it
I've done activities to watch vids and transcribe it
Eg
chrome valley
But to hold activity session you need to be session holder, no?
But maybe you're right, I guess there's not huge amount of us who'd consider inviting random people anyway 😂
How to become session holder, can I read the requirements anywhere if you know @balmy steppe ?
balmy steppe
You just ask
I mean I have the role so the barrier to entry is low
That's not to insult you if you're not granted it
chrome shadow
The role is given to people who want to run a session
At the same time that is also the biggest problem/concern about this proposal
If everyone were able to ping the groups it could easily be abused
balmy steppe
How about if you abuse it you're banned for a month or two
chrome shadow
Considering the amount of trolls that would be a huge administrative effort and more importantly the damage would already be done when just 1 person abuses it
You can frequently observe that people unsub from groups when they get pinged for the usual sessions, imagine what would happen if hundreds of people got spam pinged
chrome valley
I think that is to much effort... Probably is the best to stick with what works, and that people who want to organise something more structured, apply to be a host
@chrome shadow can you tell me what I have to do in order to become a host? Prepare materials or something else? Find the best goat for sacrifice? 😂
chrome shadow
Usually it's enough to just come to us with a rough idea what you'd like to do and ask for it we also accept paypal tho
chrome valley
😂
Ok, coming to you now
I would like to be able to summon people to talk about something specific, be it that we read the text then discuss or just discuss on some topic
Another thing, I'm getting ready to rewatch Mord mit Aussicht, so I thought it would be fun to chat about each episode with someone, or if I figure out how, we could watch it together and make pauses and comment, like everyone on their own watch, then we stop and talk...
Two ideas from the top of my head, if needed I could probably be more precise
But, I can't promise grammatical correctness since I also need practice, so don't know if that'd work?
Is it enough to write here, or do I need to pm someone specific?
chrome shadow
It's fine if you just leave it here for now, I'm going to bed in a bit but either someone else will follow up on this later or I will in the morning
glad fjord
Red i was keen to do something like that but with a book
Read a chapter a week and discuss it on Saturday or something
Even extend the topics to try and include german literacy devices
(Like truncated sentences and similies)
chrome valley
I'm going to bed also, long overdue
@glad fjord apply for host, then we can have both 😊👍
lofty heron
Blu is already a host 😛
chrome valley
Oh you already are, then just start? :)
glad fjord
I didnt think there was a group of keen people so i havent dont it yet
lofty heron
I'd love to do more reading or stuff that's accessible to more but I'll wait for the session rework thing before I schedule new stuff >.<
glad fjord
I love your listening sessions felines
chrome valley
I must admit that I am not keen on whole book
Especially since I'm bad at stopping if it's interesting
But I even can't say which book I'd like to read, I don't feel my German is good enough for it
glad fjord
Would you consider running them again but at a different time?
chrome valley
@lofty heron what' do you mean with 'session rework thing'?
lofty heron
If more people join in Blu X)
The one I did at 16UTC kinda was... well
3 people or so were actively participating
glad fjord
Momo is very good, im running a reading sessions for it now, about a chapter a week
lofty heron
I like to do this but if only 3 people participate, idk if it's worth putting all the time in it >.<
but I can maybe do one at a time that's more suitable for you Blu if you tell me a time frame that's ok
chrome valley
I liked that women in middle age session
balmy steppe
I wonder if it will be the first book reading that's read to conclusion.
lofty heron
@chrome valley don't know the specifics of what that rework entails but there were some suggestions made to the session command and Arrem told me he'll ask all session holders for feedback so I'm waiting for that moment
glad fjord
But after the first part the books gets a plot
chrome valley
I couldn't attend the momo, had and appointment
Did you read the book or how it went?
glad fjord
It went well, we read aloud, summerise in german then ask for words
chrome valley
@lofty heron I believe you could safely do one session at a time, it's not that bot isn't working, no?
@glad fjord ah, so each participant read a part?
lofty heron
For what you want to do, the bot stuff won't really matter much I think, since you want every session to be different IIRC 🤔
balmy steppe
The grace is that people seem to understand what they read
A level reading is just a mess lol
glad fjord
Yup
chrome valley
@lofty heron
Yeah, mostly
But the command I saw in pinned message here doesn't seem complicated
But I remember seeing someone mentioning templates, so are you thinking about that?
lofty heron
ye I'm waiting for something like what was proposed to make it easier for reccuring sessions
chrome valley
:)
glad fjord
Sorry felines im out rn, can we discuss times later
chrome valley
@balmy steppe I think that problem when you're level A is that your brain can either read or think, but not both at the same time 😂
balmy steppe
That's probably it too
glad fjord
Also ping sunset and base too, theyre in my time zone
lofty heron
Sure Blu, just ping me once you have something for me ^.^
balmy steppe
And there's so many issues and it's so varying
chrome valley
@glad fjord @lofty heron what are your timezones?
balmy steppe
And so a paragraph can take 30 mins to get through
glad fjord
Hmm idk my timezones name, AEST? Maybe
chrome valley
Utc+-x?
lofty heron
oh can do Blu 😛 @humble sparrow and @gaunt bridge in case there's interest (B level listening comprehension for later time zone)?
balmy steppe
Kangaroo time
glad fjord
Pretty much i think its +10
chrome valley
I don't have a clue about converting zone names into time
balmy steppe
Although I guess there are 3 time zones in Australia
chrome valley
Aaaa that means kangaroo 😂
balmy steppe
Just ask her whst time it is now
lofty heron
I'm UTC+2
balmy steppe
I'm left coast us time
chrome valley
You mentioned watch vids and transcribing
How did that work exactly? Can video be streamed to everyone?
lofty heron
I'm assuimg Blu is the same zone as sun
balmy steppe
One episode of Peppa pig is like 5 minutes
lofty heron
if sun and base would join in, I'd at least know I have 3 people again that participate lol. Same as during the usual time
chrome valley
Ok, so streaming that everyone gets video and audio is possible
balmy steppe
Yeah. And I just replay it again and again
chrome valley
@lofty heron you probably can count on me as well :)
lofty heron
if it's not too late for you ^.^
chrome valley
Unless you hit some my appointment time, or me sleeping
We're the same zone, so there is some chance 😂
balmy steppe
I wished my German was better to run other kind of activities
chrome valley
But if I remember correctly that women in middle age was yours, no? and it was definitely more than 3 of us
@lofty heron
I'm laughing a bit
If 5 min peppa pig took an hour, how long would it take for one 45 min long episode 😂
lofty heron
yee the very last one I did (currently) was better than the last few lol
chrome valley
I put alarm for the friday 18 so I wouldn't miss it
lofty heron
I'm not sure why it's so inconsistent. Sometimes there are enough people so it's pretty straightforward and sometimes not X( Maybe the one which was harder scared of a bunch of people :<
balmy steppe
It scared me it took so long
lofty heron
*off rip
chrome valley
I can imagine
chrome valley
Which cat?
balmy steppe
You're Red
chrome valley
Ah ok 🤣
lofty heron
I just need people who partake Trax lol
balmy steppe
I guess you're a cat too 😂
lofty heron
I had a few sessions where enough people were in VC but never spoke/wrote a single thing. Only like 2-3 people actually answered the questions
balmy steppe
The vocab of that history text is over my level
chrome valley
@lofty heron I don't have social life, I definitely can Friday 18 🤣
balmy steppe
Also it's at the start of my work
lofty heron
I'm ok with people listening and being curious but well, it's a listening! At least try to participate lol
It's ok to not have every question answered but I intentionally have some easy ones in there that even A level can hear
chrome valley
When I first came to the server 3 years ago, I was scared to death of saying or writing anything in german
So it might be similar for some of them
balmy steppe
I'll see if I can set up 15 min for Friday
I better understanding the a level questions
chrome valley
But as a host, it is definitely best to focus on people who are active
I mean for your morale
And if it is fun for you to some extent then it's worth the time even for 3 person
lofty heron
If you don't feel like sharing your answers or sth like that, at least show me somehow that you are taking notes/participate? Cuz if I only have 2 people saying something, I feel like I'm wasting my time searching for texts/writing down the questions. Still thankful to the 2 that are active but some more activity for the time put in would be neat
chrome valley
If I became a host ask me what I think in a few weeks 😂
balmy steppe
Base onced asked for a pronunciation activity from a native and that hasn't happened I don't think
lofty heron
I mean, it's not that hard to become a host ^^
lofty heron
Jordan is one of the few that participates constantly which I appreciate
chrome valley
No, I totally understand you @lofty heron you really did prepare a lot and interesting thing
lofty heron
Maybe I'll just tone it down to a session every 2 weeks. Don't want to completely stop for the people who join everytime
chrome valley
Thanks :)
balmy steppe
I did daily sessions and people were improving
And that was nice to see
But an hour session took more time than I thought it would
Probably because Im an a level
chrome valley
Oh yeah
When I was a teacher I said that I'm working for that lightbulb over their head
balmy steppe
I ended up having to research so much
chrome valley
Uf yeah that's cumbersome
balmy steppe
But it's fun thinking about how to get practice in for say using accusative
And what aspects of the accusative
And how to keep it on a rotation of practice
chrome valley
I was fresh A something when I watched this Mord mit Aussicht series, with German subs
And I had to stop every sentence and look up in dictionary to figure out what they're saying at all 😂
I think I spend probably 2-3 hours on first episode 😂
lofty heron
uff
balmy steppe
I'll have to look that up
I don't know that series
My German has been degrading lol
chrome valley
That's why I'd like to watch it again to see how'd I do now
chrome valley
balmy steppe
People
chrome valley
Crime comedy
chrome valley
I think around 45 minutes 😂
chrome valley
'how did you spend your weekend' 'watched 45 min episode for 6 hours'
balmy steppe
Yeah lol
chrome valley
I wasn't aiming for level A, nor rewatching
But making pauses
chrome valley
Idea is that I practice conversations with people :) not teaching others per se
Yeah, I think movies are a bit easier than books, because of visual hints
balmy steppe
I was thinking a way of doing that too
But my German is not enough to do what I want to try
chrome valley
Plus, bunch of stuff is offered for A levels
lofty heron
german roleplaying
balmy steppe
I wanted to do it talk show format
That way everyone gets a chance to speak
Like in a normal chat it can be uneven
chrome valley
Uuu that's aiming high
You'll get there :)
balmy steppe
Like you can talk about a topic
But you want to say like red, what do you think about x
And catto do you agree with what red said
Usw
That way it's moderated
chrome valley
Good tip! Thanks
balmy steppe
But I don't know if that solves the problem where chat is usually unevenly divided in terms of who gets to speak
chrome valley
I don't think it's a problem to coordinate 2.5 people 😂
chrome valley
Nah, you ensure having max 4 by going into that only 4 VC 🤣
lofty heron
Outstanding move
chrome valley
Yeah, making it exclusive will yield people waiting in line lol
lofty heron
if you find a topic that's somewhat easy for A level to have a convo Trax, you could totally try that
like idk, pets for example
chrome valley
Gotta go
My cat came demanding cuddles 😂
balmy steppe
Or colors
lofty heron
kk 👋 see ya and say hi to your cat lol
lofty heron
I mean, if you are the host, you can mix and match like that
if the main topic is pets/animals, you can always interject with a question like "oh do you like [insert colour] dogs/cats?" or whatever the current topic was
the biggest problem would be for the host lol
lofty heron
since it's very spontaneous xD
or announce the topic beforehand so people can look up vocab for it to make the conversation more fluid?
idk but you could certainly do something like that
balmy steppe
Yeah. But people usually don't come prepared
lofty heron
try finding people who care lol
balmy steppe
Yeah lol
lofty heron
I'm sure you could find at least 3-4 people to do this with tho Trax^^
gaunt bridge
@chrome valley You don't need to be a session holder to host sessions. You just need to contact a mod and ask them to ping a group for you.
As for how we assign the role, obviously we want to at least know the person is not a troll or going to abuse the role, but aside from that, we usually as that anyone who's interested in hosting sessions attends a few of the current sessions (when possible) to at least make sure they know how it works.
But that's pretty much all there is to it.
Oh, and if a mod or another session holder attends your first sessions, that's also good, as it means we know someone can help you if you get stuck on something.
@lofty heron I'd be happy to join a session but I can't promise that I can always attend since my schedule is sometimes weird.
@balmy steppe Can you explain more about what you find problematic with Level A sessions? Because it seems like the way you described them is how they're supposed to work. Is it just that you prefer more difficult sessions?
I mean, since the point of Level A sessions is focussing on the details. Discussing pronunciation, discussing what specific words mean, different types of sentences constructions, etc. It's not about understanding the whole story/text.
balmy steppe
I'm just saying 1) they are more limited and 2) they take more time than you would think
@gaunt bridge
gaunt bridge
How are they more limited though?
balmy steppe
Because there's a broad range of A level, and probably the same can be said about B levels
gaunt bridge
Ahh, I see. So what you mean is, you're expecting Level A sessions to be around A2-B1 content?
balmy steppe
No more like saying A you're going to get A0-A2
gaunt bridge
Well yeah. But that's not an issue with the lessons. That's an issue with how the host chooses to label them, isn't it?
balmy steppe
Well it's a host problem
I think the first instance of something like this happening was with Milly
how she got so many A and she decided to do A readings
gaunt bridge
Okay, that's fine then. I was confused about it just because you seemed bothered that beginner lessons are slow and detail-oriented, even though they're supposed to be like that.
And yeah, if a host isn't able to say "no" to people, there's not really much that can be done about that.
balmy steppe
Yeah. I think it's more like that you just never know what's the make up of any of these events are going to be
And you can either be accommodating or not
but with more sessions it usually works itself out
gaunt bridge
If you're pretty firm and clear about it, as a host, you will get the lesson you want. I've run sessions before at a B1-B2 kinda level and had to ask people to sit out if they can't do the activities, and that worked really well for me. The sessions went smoothly and we read a lot.
balmy steppe
Like I said it's a host problem, or a me problem lol
gaunt bridge
Sure, but it's good to share those concerns in case another host can read it and take the advice to heart.
But it's just important to be clear what you mean (i.e. stating it's a host issue, rather than an issue with Level A sessions).
balmy steppe
Yeah. I mean they used to teach school with mix grades
And I haven't a clue how such things were run
So it's a thing that can be done
gaunt bridge
True.
lofty heron
cool Base, I'll wait for Blu and sun to see what time would be preferable ^.^
glad fjord
Ah yes i am here now
Hmm i can do pretty much anytime between UTC 2100-1400
Id prefer the time at the edges of the range, since that morning and evening for me
But anything that range should work for most weeks
@lofty heron
I can do an hour earlier too, 2000 UTC, but anything earlier might not be so easy to do
lofty heron
Any preferred days?
glad fjord
Not at the moment, ive got a couple weeks of uni break
gaunt bridge
@ionic summit We welcome feedback, both positive and negative. It helps us improve the sessions.
lofty heron
I don't quite see how Trax acted ungrateful? 🤔
chrome valley
@gaunt bridge thanks for info
Ok, about pinging group with using mods help, that wouldn't work for ad hoc slots since it's not that you're here all the time, at least I hope you're not 😂
So basically I can write in lessons channel if I want to do something like in an hour
And if I can plan some days ahead, then ask some mod to make it a session so everyone can see it in bot channel?
Until I earn your (mods) trust to get the role and do it myself
Did I got it right?
lofty heron
there's usually someone around and if you post in lessons ahead of time, I'm sure someone can ping for you 😄
chrome valley
👍
lofty heron
@glad fjord @humble sparrow @gaunt bridge I scheduled something (hopefully) suitable for your time zone(?) Lemme know if you can make it, otherwise I can also reschedule it :)
lofty heron
ye
balmy steppe
So tomorrow but one hour earlier than now?
glad fjord
Looks like it
chrome valley
I might be able to make it as well, if I don't fall asleep
humble sparrow
unfortunatelt that's a quite bit too early for me but that's okay. i'm fine with missing
gaunt bridge
It's too early for me too. 😔
gaunt bridge
Would anyone be interested in volunteering to run the beginner lesson 3 just for this weekend? It's mostly about vocab/introductions stuff like how to introduce yourself, ask questions, talk about family, pets, hobbies, etc. and it starts at Saturday 8am UTC/GMT (10am Germany time).
gaunt bridge
I personally don't mind when it's held but the problem with changing the time is that the usual people might not be able to attend.
But since it's mostly vocab stuff then it's probably fine.
midnight dune
Alright, would it be worth to ping them to ask
gaunt bridge
If you want to, you can. Although I think if you just do it on Sunday then it's probably fine. Most people are probably free on Sunday morning. Whereas Friday would be more complicated.
However you want to do it is fine, but if you decide to do it, just do these things as well:
- Put your name here for week 3 and in the Date column, write the correct date and add a note under the date like (Sunday) or something so people know it's a different schedule https://docs.google.com/document/d/1O2_CJyoVuiHWrakGCPL5EdtqjXllm-cUWQ-wEBQ4QoM/edit
- Make a scheduled session as soon as possible with the bot and ping to announce it
- Ping again roughly 30min before the session start time
- Use the lesson3.pdf in the Lesson 3 google drive as a basis for the session (but feel free to adjust the session as well to suit your preference)
static wagon
doodle can do it!
if its the one i have attended the last couple times
if doodle is allowed to- id be happy to do the thing i just dunno what you mean for setting up with the bot lol
lofty heron
What time would be more suitable for both of you sun/Base?
midnight dune
@gaunt bridge the group is Grammar right
gaunt bridge
Yeah. @midnight dune
midnight dune
Aye aye cap
gaunt bridge
@midnight dune Oh btw, when you create a session you basically just give it a short name / description that gives people an idea what it is. That's why the character limit is pretty small.
So that it just gives you a brief idea what it is in the list.
sessions
jovial zealotBOT
midnight dune
Nice, thanks
fathom vector
You're welcome fren.
humble sparrow
@lofty heron base's schedule is a mystery but evenings (australian time) on the weekends work best for me
lofty heron
I see, I'll try and schedule something at that time then X)
dusty oriole
yo whats a session
nimble pebble
Try >faq sessions in #botchannel.
Or just click this link here to get to where I did it: https://discordapp.com/channels/221708975698083841/248530603165614080/748491993100976138
chrome valley
Is there a way to find out what keywords for faq and explain bot knows, eg how to know what's stored there without stumbling on it accidentally when someone mentions it somewhere?
And are they different, faq and explain?
Ok, I've found explain all, is that it? :)
humble sparrow
@chrome shadow re bot commands wouldn't it make more sense to have the lesson groups all under the same permission set?
the people who run one type of session generally are very likely to run the other types and just having to promote people once would make things a lot simpler in that regard imo
gaunt bridge
@midnight dune I think it's like, when you get overmemed or something.
chrome shadow
Oh lmao yeah that's a bug I forgot about
humble sparrow
not just overmemed by the looks of it. hecke is the only one listed as a grammar moderator atm (except that syro just promoted so i should be on there now)
midnight dune
did I get overmemed 👁️
gaunt bridge
Well, we did just switch over to a new bot and I don't think we copied over the old mods.
In case you were in there before that.
humble sparrow
regardless thoughts on being able to put all the lesson group moderators under the one permission group to saving having to promote someone multiple times etc?
gaunt bridge
Hmmm, we discussed it when the command was made and decided to stick with just group mods. But I personally don't have an opinion either way.
humble sparrow
At least from a session holder point of view it makes it easier than having to ping a mod when you want to do a different session type, and i see no reason why someone who's a session holder for one session type would not be allowed to be a session holder for another session type (the only being say dialects but I think session holders are trustworthy enough to not try and hold a session on something they no 0 about)
the only possible issue i can think of is if code implementation would be hard. but i know nothing about CS or your codebase/structure to be able to comment on that
fathom vector
Idk it would be slightly annoying to implement.
humble sparrow
@nimble pebble do CS
midnight dune
@nimble pebble its always fucking you wtf
chrome shadow
Would it though ? Just yeet them into all groups in case of a >group promote command
fathom vector
Generally we tend to never just tell the bot stuff like these are the IDs of the lesson groups. Everything that's added has to be configurable dynamically without us having to recompile the code and restart the bot. So database-wise we'd have to keep track of that, there'd be new commands to mark/unmark groups as lesson groups and possibly even a second group promote command since idk it's kinda silly to specify things like grammar when they're automatically added to all the other knees too.
All groups also means stuff like food, coding and hidden things, so there needs to be a distinction.
nimble pebble
I'm sorry 
fathom vector
Possibly simpler solution, have a lesson flag and just automatically count every session holder as a mod of groups with that flag like we do for mods atm.
glad fjord
Übrigens, ich möchte bei Bases Unterrichten (vermutlich bei einem nächste Woche) mithelfen. Könntet ihr mich in der Grammatiksgruppe befördern?
Ich hab mich schon dabei gemeldet
chrome shadow
glad fjord
@gaunt bridge i made the session for this week, i moved the time to one hour earlier, is that okay
about 9am in europe
(ich möchte nicht dass es sich mit Abendessen überschneidet und meine Mitbewohner verärgert XD)
gaunt bridge
Sure, that should be fine. @glad fjord
But in that case, I recommend to announce it today with the time as well.
vagrant python
beautiful
humble sparrow
i have so many questions
midnight dune
what could possibly need explaining
fallow estuary
die Ostbelgier bitte noch 😉
dense pumice
wow
signal idol
Directing, die sind im Brezel unten, einfach aus irgendeinem Grund sind die Streifen in der falschen Reihenfolge und um 90 Grad rotiert
dusty oriole
die Ostbelgier bitte noch 😉
@fallow estuary vergiss Südtirol nicht
dusty oriole
@final girder warum?
grave knot
<@&305455824174710787> 960x540 (recommended size):
1920x1080 (HD size):
Brandenburg Gate, Schonbrunn Palace and the Matterhorn.
My current entry.
fathom vector
Can we add a flag of Austria on top of the palace so we aren't racist. 😌
mossy halo
final girder
ah yes, austrians are a different race
signal idol
as the most active swiss person on this server I don’t find the matterhorn a good representation of myself
(I’m also genuinely not sure what to think about the german flag enveloping a thing representing switzerland)
fathom vector
How about this version?
fathom vector
I know I had to dig the old one out from >av invocations. 
balmy steppe
Ping me when we vote
dense minnow
rotund ermine
Hey guys, I have 4 slightly different versions for my banner submission, can I post them all? I could also post only one along with a zip of the rest of them.
dense minnow
poste die einfach, ich spam die ganze Zeit diesen Kanal voll, ist glaub besser, sie alle hier gesammelt zu haben
rotund ermine
okay x)
here you go <@&305455824174710787>, these are my submissions and I hope you'll like them 
dense minnow
I love them
rotund ermine
aww thank you!
dusty oriole
sorry, i know some people find countryballs cringe
vagrant python
sehr schön
chrome valley
@dusty oriole I think they're funny/cute :+1:
one thing I'd adjust is to put discord logo in same style
Although, it could be maybe better without text, not sure about that
dusty oriole
dusty oriole
the logo looks a bit scary now
rotund ermine
I'm staring into your soul o_o
proper walrus
dense pumice
ngl i love the version arrem sent bahahah
fathom vector
Fools banner is a random user's avatar with this guy is an idiot written under it that changes to a new random user every 5 minutes.
ancient light
What was this year's april fools prank again?
I remember the bug-on-the-flag one and the robots uprising one
ancient light
Ah yes that was a good one
midnight dune
Bless mods
dense pumice
omg arrem that would be legendary
balmy steppe
Im still laughing when I think of the April fools prank over in the English server
They made an announcement that the server was transitioning to Turkish learning
Switched everything to Turkish
Mass server exodus and they had to stop the joke half a day in
There was going to be real Turkish lessons too
dense pumice
omfg
fathom vector
I can imagine. We had a bunch of people leave when we switched focus to Austrian German for Fools 2017.
chrome valley
I try to ignore everything on 1st April, and few hours before it
So if it is still on on April 3rd,then I take it seriously 😂
chrome shadow
fathom vector
is this why syro hates turkish people now
grave knot
I can imagine.
@fathom vector That was brilliant.
lofty heron
haha I still have a pic from the fake icon time...
nimble pebble
Wow, that's hilarious
lofty heron
<@&305455824174710787> 😒
fathom vector
Yeah dw. We've been getting quite a few memers spamming that. It's reported and deleted automatically and this one thought he'd be smart and get around it. Spoiler alert: it would have been more effective if he was smart before he triggered it 3 times.
lofty heron
lmao
midnight dune
LMFAO
grave knot
Hipsters go with the Gerfew over the Germany. /s
fathom vector
No, they're spamming about some weird cryptocurrency. One or two per day so I'm low key considering configuring an automatic overmeme for it.
chrome valley
Ah, I saw it, wanted to report but didn't saw the click-report
So what's the way? Get a link to the message and pm some mod? On mobile I can't find out the message link though :/
fathom vector
For reports in general, it suffices to just point us to a channel if we don't see it ourselves, and we'll look into it. But as said, for this particular case, it's been common enough that we've set up automatic notifications when someone posts that link.
chrome valley
😂
glad fjord
@gaunt bridge yeah i moved it to Sunday
gaunt bridge
Okay, no problem.
humble sparrow
@gaunt bridge i'm working on some lesson slides and decided to go all out and start working on a template if you're interested in taking a look at it.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1PdiTVAV0iHS6gzpFZyH1x_I8Huv3A1xW/view?usp=sharing
humble sparrow
it works / looks best in powerpoint, but is google slides compatible
gaunt bridge
@humble sparrow Seems interesting. Let me know when you post some complete ones so I can see how it looks with text.
gaunt bridge
@humble sparrow It's nice but I think the colours are too bright for most people.
humble sparrow
just the text or the accents as well?
gaunt bridge
Hmm, hard to say exactly but definitely the big icons. If you had the same colours but less saturated, it might be fine.
gaunt bridge
That looks better to me! But worth seeing if anyone else has some comments they want to make on it.
humble sparrow
@nimble pebble so you can see too
nimble pebble
Looks good to me :3
humble sparrow
i'm still partial to the brighter colours but i'll keep both colour sets on hand so i can easily swap
gaunt bridge
I mean you can always just try it in a real lesson and then see if people complain. 
nimble pebble
Hehe
dense minnow
it looks so good and professional
don't personally notice much difference in the bright or muted version so proabbly the muted version is better for those eyes more sensitive to it
glad fjord
Mir gefallen die weniger gesättigten Farben mehr, die befinde ich für ein wenig augenfreundlicher
ich habe es nicht wirklich bemerkt, dass die helleren Farben ein bisschen zu stark waren, aber wenn die Optionen nebeneinander dargestellt werden, mag ich die nicht-so-hellere mehr
grave knot
Mir gefallen die weniger gesättigten Farben mehr, die befinde ich für ein wenig augenfreundlicher
@glad fjord Finde ich auch.
lofty heron
Schön schön sun! Ö
chrome valley
Yellow text on dimmed version is more readable definitely
But I'd still use it sparingly, yellow never was a good color to read when bg is white 😂
On the black/dark on the other hand I think I'd work great, eg for slide titles?
humble sparrow
the yellow is definitely only for accents. all highlighting of actual important text will be done in more readable colours
chrome valley
Forgot to explicitly say, slides look nice :)
I find german flag having good mix of colors, so I'm biased 🤣
I even put those colors for doors on my kallax shelf 😂
humble sparrow
thanks!
lofty heron
@gaunt bridge Question: Can #archived-culture-study-visa also be used for some general PSA that might be relevant for living in Germany (or Austria/Switzerland), or is it just for questions?
gaunt bridge
@lofty heron Sure, I think that's fine. As long as it's appropriate to the server, of course.
grave knot
Lass mich raten: Warntag 2020?
lofty heron
Yup
fathom vector
How would you feel about an (entirely optional) profile command that would display information like country, languages spoken, a short bio and such as a middle ground for all these can we have roles for X suggestions?
balmy steppe
Man. I wished so badly that we can write our own clients
Can you make it so that we get our own cards for it? :)
gaunt bridge
What do you mean, Trax?
gaunt bridge
No one is planning to run the EU time lesson today, right?
Does anyone want to last-minute volunteer? Or put their name down for next week?
midnight dune
@fathom vector I think that's a good idea actually
Totally optional to fill out right
@gaunt bridge its Saturday right?
Ah fuck
I can do next next week
gaunt bridge
@midnight dune 26th?
midnight dune
Mhm
gaunt bridge
Okay I'll put you on the chart for that. It might not be the content listed since if someone else doesn't do any until then it will of course be the older content.
glad fjord
I think my voice cut in and out while streaming
gaunt bridge
But I'll just write your name there.
nimble pebble
Maybe someone else can stream for you. @static wagon offered that to me the last time
static wagon
doodle has good wifi and can stream whenever
also doodle would be happy to do eu lessons but i started sleeping like a normal human again
glad fjord
Yeah pretty much
My internet often dies
(Especially when my house mates are zooming)
nimble pebble
(tell them to stop)
static wagon
(also im sorry for speaking english rn)
but just... lmk if i need to be up at a certain time cuz i really wanna feel useful here
gaunt bridge
It's okay. You can think of #community-discussion as an exception to the Nur Deutsch. 😌
static wagon
i feel like clarity is more important than practice here specifically
nimble pebble
I don't want to kill your sleep schedule, but the lesson would probably be in around 7 to 9h
lofty heron
shit what time again?
static wagon
if its in 7 hours i can
lofty heron
I need to set me a timer then :^)
nimble pebble
UST 7 - 8am I think.
Blue would you be up for it, if we found someone to stream it?
(there seem to be two lovely candidates for that here)
static wagon
ill be able to stream tho :3
nimble pebble
Great :3
lofty heron
👌
static wagon
feel free to spam ping me if i am not present, and if it is in 7 hrs that would be better but its ok either way
lofty heron
Sweet 😄 Should I still set a timer in case? Or are y'all good
nimble pebble
Depends on doodle 
And on whether @glad fjord wants to hold it under those circumstances
static wagon
it should be fine
glad fjord
I may or may not be able to do it today
But i could probably do tomorrow
I can do it tomorrow at 7.00 UTC
nimble pebble
Great 💯
static wagon
oki doki
nimble pebble
Thank you all in advance, Bluwu, doodle and Cat~
static wagon
np
chrome valley
@glad fjord
I can stream for you if it is possible to stream just one window, since I take notes and need screen space
I'll be there for the lesson anyway
But, your voice interrupting isn't your network per se, it is discord I think
It takes a few moments for it to realise that you're speaking and start recording your voice and sending to us so first letter or two of the first word in a sentence (or after you make a pause to breath in) will be cut off
At least that was how I understood what happened
Someone said that's because of latency, so in a way it is your internet, but I think there's workaround
My suggestion would be to try with push to talk option maybe? That way discord will know that it's your turn now without guessing
We can try both
glad fjord
Okay i can try push to talk
Im at a different house rn so the internet will be different again XD
I think streaming shares the whole screen, so unless you have two screens it may be a lil hard to take notes simultaneously
fathom vector
@midnight dune yeah. Created by each user individually if they want to, otherwise just display no profile lol xd.
midnight dune
then it sounds fucking fantastic, I hope its enough to appease all the people who've been asking for it over the years lmao
humble sparrow
inb4 because no-one reads info people still ask for a region or language role in suggestions
midnight dune
At least we have something to reply other than 'lol no' @humble sparrow
chrome shadow
I think there would only be 5 people who use it but sure
humble sparrow
if antarctica isn't an option i will ree
chrome shadow
You would probably be able to put in whatever you want since there's no nice way of giving users selectable options with the bot
fathom vector
I have a way around that in mind.
gaunt bridge
Yeah, you'll be surprised, when actually 0 people use it.
humble sparrow
using flag emoji reactions?
gaunt bridge
We should make a list of acceptable countries and if anyone enters Antarctica, it's an automatic ban.
For everyone except SUNSET.
fathom vector
The Minecraft permission plugin we use directs you to a website where you pick out your settings and it generates the appropriate command for you that you just run. I'd experiment with setting up a small static site that just generates something like >profile create <string encoding data> and then you run that here.
gaunt bridge
Wow, sounds cool.
Even if we didn't have a website, we could do the same kind of commands as other servers have for roles, but instead of a role it just sets something in their profile.
Maybe both?
fathom vector
Yeah we can see. I also like the idea of flag emoji reactions. But I don't like the idea of implementing flag emoji reactions since working with emoji has proven to be the biggest pain we've had.
chrome shadow
Fuck emotes and emojis lmfao
A website sounds cool though, I had some ideas for commands that go into that direction too
humble sparrow
if the progile has a short bio cpuld we theoretically scrap #introductions and just use that as a hub for people to fill out their profile. i.e. links to the site or w/e there. because honestly aside from mods (and i bet half thr mods at that even) who actually reads #introductions
grave knot
That's what I was thinking, too. ^
However, can we keep the channel? My oldest message is there. 🙃
gaunt bridge
It's true that a lot of people probably don't read it, but I think it's still a nice thing to have. When people are new to a server, it's nice for them to be able to just write something like that, even if just for their own sake, as a way to start engaging with the server. Especially people who feel nervous about joining in straight away.
lofty heron
Is this going to happen before the session rework thingy? :^((
gaunt bridge
I guess it depends on who said they'd work on the session rework.
lofty heron
👀
gaunt bridge
I mean if different people are working on different bot features, there's no reason they can't be done simultaneously.
humble sparrow
if it's syro we screwed catto
lofty heron
oh well X)
Idk who works on it, I just remember asking about it and Arrem said it'll come after some resource rework iirc
chrome shadow
Currently nobody since everyone seems to be busy atm
lofty heron
fathom vector
Eh the trickiest part of the sessions rework is figuring out what to actually change.
lofty heron
I thought the whole point was to figure out what to change Arrem lol
fathom vector
Well yes but as I understand it, people are talking about who will actually be implementing it here.
gaunt bridge
Yeah.
What I meant about it was if there's something to be changed with sessions, Arrem making a new bot feature is only relevant if he's also implementing a sessions feature.
Since I assume he's just doing the profile thing in his own time working on the bot.
So it shouldn't really affect resources, sessions, etc. discussion.
lofty heron
I feel like the time could be spent better 🤷 idk It's your bot but it makes me a bit sad #nohateplsnoban
gaunt bridge
Time spent on the bot and time spent discussing are kinda different things though.
Like one of us can work on a bot thing whenever we have a free bit of time, but discussing requires getting everyone involved in the discussion together to decide stuff.
So the time is spent the same way either way.
As I said, the time thing only matters if one person is independently working on multiple projects at once.
Unless you mean something else?
fathom vector
And time spent discussing or waiting for discussions to progress is significantly greater than time spent working on the bot.
For comparison, I got both stargazing and the music bot done in 2 days each. Something like this profile thing which is not complex or unfamiliar would likely only take a few hours of my time.
lofty heron
I know that discussions take time. That's why, when I submitted the suggestion, it was said we need a detailed discussion. No problem! But after bringing it up it was said you are currently working on something else and you'll come back to us soon ™️
That was like, mid august. There could have been a simple "Hey we are considering a change to sessions so pls session holders, leave some ideas/feedback here, we'll discuss those over the coming days/weeks" but there wasn't anything like that. I don't expect a discussion about something complex like sessions to be just a few minutes 🤔
As long as y'all haven't forgotten about it I'll be cool but I feel like a discussion could have already been initialized, even if everyone's busy (the discussion doesn't have to be a real time thing and I don't expect it to be lol)
gaunt bridge
Sure, like I said, I just mean that Arrem working on this bot thing has not much to do with that time-wise.
There are things that are in the way of some of our projects right now (e.g. everyone being a bit busy) but it's not related to the discussion about the profile concept.
lofty heron
Fine I'll drop it, don't wanna be a dick about it. Appreciate that you guys continue to add stuff to the bot tho
humble sparrow
bot feature idea for lessons: the ability for people to submit "questions" for the person to address at a later time in the lesson. kind of like the suggestions command but solely for a session
would be more work on the session holders part but they could have a mid-lesson break or wait till after the lesson to go through any tangent questions or redirect them to #questions like the redirect command that only syro uses, or in lessons mark them as answered like how suggestions are marked as answered
just spitballing ideas but what do the other session holders thinK?
gaunt bridge
I usually prefer if people just remember their own questions and ask at the end.
Cause who knows if they will even still be there.
midnight dune
Sorry sun :(
fathom vector
I DM hecke during her lessons but she just laughs at me idk what I do wrong.
midnight dune
That's another good point, if its in DMs I dont feel like it might go unread
@fathom vector thats because you never send me feet pics
fathom vector
OK. 
nimble pebble
I can send feet pics
chrome shadow
I thought about making that joke but was like naaah this is a serious channel and then this happens
trail tendon
yes
chrome valley
We use lessons channel to write questions during the lessons and they get answered immediately (which I prefer)
If it gets lost in chat, you repeat it
Same during some activity
It works
@humble sparrow when this system didn't work for you? I mean, what was the situation where you think bot questions could improve it?
humble sparrow
Some of the session holders have talked about sessions being dragged out longer than they need to be due to questions that go off on tangents. And just brainstorming ways to mitigate that
chrome valley
That looks like a case for better class management skills :)
I mean, session holder is the boss, so s/he can and should stop whatever discussion isn't appropriate anymore
If in voice, there's an option to even mute and kick someone out, don't know if session holders have that permission but that could be added to the role
Ability to control channel, be it voice or text one, like in voice mute all and explain that all further questions should go to questions and the lesson will continue, give few seconds and unmute people
In text, there's an option to make channels slow mode, don't know if that's permission based or not
But those tools could be investigated more and encouraged holders to use them
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Another thing I've noticed is that some high experienced members and/or natives 'hijack beginner lessons'
I mean, asking questions is great, but if the session is for A level, and you're C level, and question isn't beneficial for A level, then you should have a bit of mindfulness to know when to go to question channel to discuss something in depth
Those people can be nudged in private by session holder to remind them to move out f lessons channel
hot pecan
Well all tools are to a point permission-based, especially moderation stuff like muting, kicking (be it out of vc or out of server), and slow-mode, so maybe moderators/admins should be session holders or the session holder role gets advanced perms to set channels to slow mode or mute people in vc.
chrome valley
Yeah, something like that
And gaining courage by session holders to use the tools :)
hot pecan
And the hijacking lessons part i agree with. Level A lesson means no lv B or C or especially natives should be there, except if theyre the session holders.
gaunt bridge
Sessions holders can already mute people in VC.
chrome valley
No I think B+ are fine to be in lesson A, but have to be mindful and keep it on topic
I use A lessons to refresh my grammar, so I'd definitely like to have access :)