#suggestions | German Learning and Discussion | Page 9

drowsy rune May 23, 2019, 8:46 AM

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i just wanna add the remark that whenever you say austrian, exclude vienna, because they speak german. ty 😛

wild aurora May 23, 2019, 8:47 AM

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~~no they don‘t~~ But we shouldn‘t abuse this channel for memes mmlol

drowsy rune May 23, 2019, 11:25 AM

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suggest give a correct name, either scharfes_s or eszett. Its not a greek letter! 😛

obtuse sedgeBOT May 23, 2019, 11:25 AM

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Thank you, your suggestion has been submitted!

umbral blaze May 23, 2019, 11:27 AM

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alpha S = S, beta S = ß

drowsy rune May 23, 2019, 11:28 AM

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Wat

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ß =/= β

peak holly May 23, 2019, 11:31 AM

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ß = β = B = 🅱 = beta

drowsy rune May 23, 2019, 11:33 AM

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Pizza is actually american. There! 😛

silk pulsar May 23, 2019, 12:01 PM

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Add a german meme channel please!!

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suggest add a german meme channel

obtuse sedgeBOT May 23, 2019, 12:02 PM

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Thank you, your suggestion has been submitted!

lime sparrow May 23, 2019, 1:32 PM

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or you know, have a prettier one like this

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cause lowercase ß is ugly and doesn’t fit the scheme

obtuse sedgeBOT May 23, 2019, 4:59 PM

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@silk pulsar, your suggestion has been rejected:

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Rejected.

silk pulsar May 23, 2019, 5:26 PM

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Bruh

gritty geyser May 23, 2019, 5:28 PM

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This is a common suggestion, which is always rejected. We actively discourage people from posting unrelated memes in any of our channels

atomic pilot May 24, 2019, 7:36 AM

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suggest add saschas eszett emote ^

obtuse sedgeBOT May 24, 2019, 7:36 AM

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Thank you, your suggestion has been submitted!

undone totem May 26, 2019, 12:54 PM

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suggest Make a channel for German-language media, where only German-language media is allowed

obtuse sedgeBOT May 26, 2019, 12:54 PM

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Thank you, your suggestion has been submitted!

umbral blaze May 26, 2019, 1:48 PM

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suggest a bot that automatically rejects suggestions if they contain the word meme

delicate hawk May 26, 2019, 2:00 PM

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Bwe the above person never once mentioned "meme" in their suggestion @umbral blaze ..... Even i did a double take and reread it.... We jus assume the worst everytime FeelsBadMan

umbral blaze May 26, 2019, 2:01 PM

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i was reffering to Jaaaays suggestion and many others like it

lime sparrow Jun 6, 2019, 9:29 AM

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suggest With the server boost, animate the server icon to cycle through the DACH country flags

obtuse sedgeBOT Jun 6, 2019, 9:30 AM

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Thank you, your suggestion has been submitted!

lime sparrow Jun 6, 2019, 9:30 AM

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so that’s why I keep getting unread message notifications in this channel with nothing there

atomic pilot Jun 6, 2019, 9:31 AM

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why?

lime sparrow Jun 6, 2019, 9:31 AM

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because the bot prompts whether you’re sure you wanna submit it, and presumably deletes your message if you cancel it

atomic pilot Jun 6, 2019, 9:31 AM

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mmm

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but why should people come here to suggest but not suggest stuff so frequently

lime sparrow Jun 6, 2019, 9:32 AM

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dunno but it’s the only channel I’ve had this behaviour

atomic pilot Jun 6, 2019, 9:32 AM

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yeah same

lime sparrow Jun 6, 2019, 9:32 AM

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maybe someone’s been testing it

atomic pilot Jun 6, 2019, 9:32 AM

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🤷

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mmm

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what if i just dont react

lime sparrow Jun 6, 2019, 9:34 AM

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someone’s gonna smite you is my guess

atomic pilot Jun 6, 2019, 9:34 AM

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lol

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i thought maybe people just send their suggestions and go to a different channel without seeing the prompt and then it deletes stuff after some time

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just like what happened just now

mossy gulch Jun 6, 2019, 2:52 PM

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Well 0x1 probably added a max 'collection time' for the bot to at the messages

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So it just stops looking after a while

gritty geyser Jun 6, 2019, 3:23 PM

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Yes, the bot waits one minute for you to confirm your suggestion before deleting it

umbral blaze Jun 6, 2019, 6:38 PM

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i really like saffas suggestion

gritty geyser Jun 6, 2019, 8:39 PM

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Sure, if someone makes a reasonably good gif of it

delicate hawk Jun 6, 2019, 8:53 PM

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I thought my phone was acting up when i was getting unread messages here

umbral blaze Jun 6, 2019, 10:15 PM

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@gritty geyser you know weather there is a duration limit of the animation? Because we could have like a banner that switches every 10 or so seconds instead of constantly

gritty geyser Jun 6, 2019, 10:18 PM

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afaik there's a size limit but everything else is up to the creator

atomic pilot Jun 6, 2019, 11:18 PM

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gifs have like a frame time property so setting each frame to 10 seconds shouldnt make the file much larger, unless you want smooth transitions

rough violet Jun 7, 2019, 6:39 AM

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The only issue with that is that the icons only move as long as you're hovering over it with the mouse so a timer wouldn't make any sense. At least for me it's like that with the servers that already have an animated icon.

lime sparrow Jun 7, 2019, 7:47 AM

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yea. I would make a relatively fast animation

sand bramble Jun 7, 2019, 10:33 AM

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Me too. Like 10 frames of the Austrian flag, 1 frame of German and Swiss flag together, then 10 more frames of the Austrian flag.

lucid ledge Jun 7, 2019, 10:38 AM

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^

delicate hawk Jun 7, 2019, 11:10 AM

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Sounds... Unbiased

lime sparrow Jun 7, 2019, 12:11 PM

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I mean it’s less biased than the current one :P

sand bramble Jun 7, 2019, 12:18 PM

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Personally, I think we should go with a static flag and have a 3 horizonal stripe design. The first stripe being red, representing the red from the German flag, the second one being white, representing the white from the Swiss flag and the last one being red, representing the red from the Austrian flag. I think this is a solution that would please everyone.

peak holly Jun 7, 2019, 12:19 PM

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what a master memer

atomic pilot Jun 7, 2019, 5:25 PM

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take this wonderful greece/germany/malaysia flag i had with some friends years ago and adjust the colors

📎 5addd0a961d3e7755bcdc356a7b4afa1.webp

delicate hawk Jun 7, 2019, 5:54 PM

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thas kinda... ugly.

delicate hawk Jun 7, 2019, 6:45 PM

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the first result on google aint half bad

📎 flag.png

peak holly Jun 7, 2019, 6:57 PM

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in square form it would render badly because either you squeeze it or you put switzerland in a very privileged spot in terms of occupied space

delicate hawk Jun 7, 2019, 6:57 PM

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oh yah didnt think of that

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i guess someone could photoshop.

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to shrink the swiss flag

lime sparrow Jun 7, 2019, 7:00 PM

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you say that as if it was a bad thing

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but I wouldn’t do that. the static german flag is fine as the default frame

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I don’t really like these mixed flags anyway

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they’re too noisy

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a gif with like, german flag, then austrian, then swiss, or sth like that, would be perfectly fine. doesn’t even need fancy transitions (though one could totally do fancy transitions. like zooming in on the red of the german flag, having a cross appear, then the cross stretching into a horizontal line, and then idk how you get back to germany)

peak holly Jun 7, 2019, 7:05 PM

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the white of the horizontal line squeezes until it disappears while the red stripes join into the centre, the black and yellow appearing from the sides as this happens

sand bramble Jun 7, 2019, 7:11 PM

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Sure if someone makes what you two described, we'll use it. mmlol

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@gritty geyser call that guy who offered to make you a new server logo. ARREMBESTMODXD

peak holly Jun 7, 2019, 7:20 PM

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i'm tempted to make it myself but i don't even know what program i would use

wild aurora Jun 7, 2019, 7:20 PM

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paint

sand bramble Jun 7, 2019, 7:20 PM

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Yeah, just draw it frame by frame.

peak holly Jun 7, 2019, 7:20 PM

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i don't remember how much time has passed since i made an animation but as a hint i'll tell you that the program was macromedia fireworks

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yes, macromedia. Not even adobe

sand bramble Jun 7, 2019, 7:21 PM

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tbh just code it in python, shouldn't be too hard

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Ngl, that's probably what I'd do in this case if I had to do it.

peak holly Jun 7, 2019, 7:24 PM

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overengineering at its finest

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"i learned how to use a hammer, so now i can use it to cut logs or serve pasta"

gritty geyser Jun 7, 2019, 9:43 PM

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How about a ''Correct me'' role? I usually don't want to be rude and correct ppl and I don't know if they want me to correct them.

rough violet Jun 7, 2019, 9:47 PM

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Nutz am Besten die .>suggest Funktion, damit dein Vorschlag auch tatsächlich eingereicht wird. :)

gritty geyser Jun 7, 2019, 9:49 PM

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suggest

obtuse sedgeBOT Jun 7, 2019, 9:49 PM

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❌ Bad argument: text is a required argument that is missing.

gritty geyser Jun 7, 2019, 9:50 PM

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suggest How about a ''Correct me'' role? I usually don't want to be rude and correct ppl and I don't know if they want me to correct them.

obtuse sedgeBOT Jun 7, 2019, 9:50 PM

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Thank you, your suggestion has been submitted!

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@gritty geyser, your suggestion has been rejected:

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Rejected. We also had a few suggestions that brought up the same idea. Back then we rejected their proposal because no one has complained about it. This also holds true nowadays, which means there's really no objective need to introduce a role
Past discussions: https://canary.discordapp.com/channels/221708975698083841/258608634575978496/483231186873876480
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https://canary.discordapp.com/channels/221708975698083841/258608634575978496/483116543321047041

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@drowsy rune, your suggestion has been accepted:

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Accepted. New name is eszett

cyan kite Jun 12, 2019, 2:57 PM

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suggest a channel to show who have the server a boost via nitro.

obtuse sedgeBOT Jun 12, 2019, 2:57 PM

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Thank you, your suggestion has been submitted!

cyan kite Jun 12, 2019, 2:57 PM

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Gave*

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...

umbral blaze Jun 12, 2019, 3:00 PM

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Wdym exactly?

cyan kite Jun 12, 2019, 3:01 PM

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Es gibt die Möglichkeit Channel einzurichten um zu zeigen wer den Server mit nitro geboostet hat

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Schau’s dir an @umbral blaze

umbral blaze Jun 12, 2019, 3:02 PM

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Hmh mit welchem Nutzen?

cyan kite Jun 12, 2019, 3:02 PM

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Einfach weil?

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Is doch schön zu wissen wer boostet und wer nicht

umbral blaze Jun 12, 2019, 3:03 PM

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Gibts am PC nicht diese Symbole neben den Namen?

cyan kite Jun 12, 2019, 3:04 PM

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Ja auch am Handy

rough violet Jun 12, 2019, 3:13 PM

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Find schon die Symbole neben dem Namen nervig genug mmlol

cyan kite Jun 12, 2019, 3:14 PM

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Mimimi

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😂

rough violet Jun 12, 2019, 3:15 PM

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Nah, unabhängig von deiner suggestion finde ich, man sollte die Anzeige deaktivieren können.

cyan kite Jun 12, 2019, 3:16 PM

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Sag des discord

obtuse sedgeBOT Jun 12, 2019, 3:30 PM

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@cyan kite, your suggestion has been rejected:

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Rejected. Boosting is not a discord feature we're particularly fond of (hence the lack of any announcements regarding that matter on the server) and we don't think we need to actively promote it more.

crude orbit Jun 13, 2019, 4:41 PM

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suggest emote

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obtuse sedgeBOT Jun 13, 2019, 4:41 PM

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Thank you, your suggestion has been submitted!

lime sparrow Jun 13, 2019, 4:42 PM

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(note, it’s suspensive_railway and the context is here: https://discordapp.com/channels/221708975698083841/221708975698083841/588769472375160833)

tardy mirage Jun 13, 2019, 5:14 PM

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suggest How about replacing some emotes of inside jokes (like the theresa may ones, among others) with ones of German-speaking well-known people? For instance, Telegram has a set of "great minds" stickers, amongst which are Einstein, Röntger, Masoch, Kafka and Wagner. Maybe if we erase their bodies and keep just the head, they can be turned into emotes. Don't know if that would actually look good, but it's an idea anyway. Barely any of the emotes we right now has to do with the theme of this server (I'm not necessarily criticising that, I just find it curious)

obtuse sedgeBOT Jun 13, 2019, 5:14 PM

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Thank you, your suggestion has been submitted!

peak holly Jun 13, 2019, 5:15 PM

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what would be the use of those?

tardy mirage Jun 13, 2019, 5:15 PM

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What do you mean by use

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They're just more akin to the theme of the server mmlol Unlike theresa may

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It's jst a suggestion anyway, you don't have to accept it.

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In the latin server for instance, practically all emoticons have to do with latin authors.

peak holly Jun 13, 2019, 5:17 PM

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it's not up to me anyway, but i'm just curious. Emotes are there to be used, if there's no use for them, why have them

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inside jokes are useful, because they are used. Emotes imposed on the server that are thematic, but for which there is no demand, remain unused and are thus useless

tardy mirage Jun 13, 2019, 5:19 PM

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I see 🤔 Maybe you're right

sand bramble Jun 13, 2019, 6:00 PM

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Tbh the May emotes were added to piss off callum and they're now gradually being removed one by one as we need space for more.

tardy mirage Jun 13, 2019, 6:13 PM

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Ohhh I see

lofty oracle Jun 13, 2019, 7:59 PM

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So that's why they all have callum's name in them

delicate hawk Jun 13, 2019, 9:02 PM

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lol i opened to check if they had decreased and it seems on the contrary that it perhaps increased by one callum_very_lol

sand bramble Jun 13, 2019, 11:45 PM

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I can definitely assure you that we haven't added any new May emoji for at least a month now. 🤔

obtuse sedgeBOT Jun 14, 2019, 10:29 AM

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@undone totem, your suggestion has been rejected:

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You're allowed to post German media in #archived-media. At the moment, #archived-media is not used enough to warrant a second channel exclusively lmited to German content.

sly folio Jun 22, 2019, 10:04 AM

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hi
in the welcome message there are two channels in the list that are not links, just regular text

sand bramble Jun 22, 2019, 10:13 AM

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Assuming you mean #gaming and #science, as the text says you need to run a command and get a special role in order to access then.

sly folio Jun 22, 2019, 10:13 AM

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i see

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thanks

gritty geyser Jun 23, 2019, 3:13 AM

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I suggest a meme channel, BUT all memes must be in german it forces us to learn words lol

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lol

fathom fulcrum Jun 23, 2019, 3:33 AM

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Sorry, we won't be making any meme channels. If you want to post a meme which is beneficial to learners and also follows the server rules, you can post it in #archived-media

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And suggestions should be made with the >suggest command.

gleaming seal Jun 23, 2019, 3:25 PM

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suggest füge die namibische Flagge zur Kanalbeschreibung für #german-only hinzu

obtuse sedgeBOT Jun 23, 2019, 3:25 PM

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Thank you, your suggestion has been submitted!

gleaming seal Jun 23, 2019, 3:27 PM

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🇳🇦 (Deutsch ist eine offizielle Sprache in Namibia)

wild aurora Jun 23, 2019, 3:30 PM

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Isn‘t English the only official language though and there just happen to be a lot of german speakers ? 👀

gleaming seal Jun 23, 2019, 3:30 PM

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Nein, ich bin Südafrikaner und ich bin mir sicher, dass Deutsch eine offizielle Sprache ist.

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Ich checke mal auf Wikipedia

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📎 Bildschirmfoto_2019-06-23_um_17.31.30.png

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"Recognised national language"

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Hmm, dan ist die Sprache leider nicht "Offizial" wie in Luxembourg und Lichtenstein...

gritty geyser Jun 23, 2019, 3:35 PM

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Luxembourg actually has German as official language as opposed to it being a recognised national language

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the same goes for Lichtenstein

blazing token Jun 24, 2019, 8:19 PM

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a channel for organising trips and outings into the wonderful Deutschland, would make general less clogged if you ask me

gritty geyser Jun 24, 2019, 8:21 PM

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Lol well chatting in general doesn’t cost anything, so

lime sparrow Jun 24, 2019, 8:47 PM

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if you want to suggest things, use the command

blazing token Jun 25, 2019, 8:58 AM

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Whoops

static pulsar Jun 30, 2019, 6:56 PM

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Yodel club vc and channel

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For learning the art of yodelling

rough violet Jun 30, 2019, 7:32 PM

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takeo

delicate hawk Jun 30, 2019, 10:09 PM

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yah thats not happening lol

cyan kite Jun 30, 2019, 10:21 PM

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suggest a jodel met up in voice so we can practice bavarian culture

obtuse sedgeBOT Jun 30, 2019, 10:21 PM

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Thank you, your suggestion has been submitted!

crude orbit Jul 1, 2019, 5:14 AM

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not all culture is equal 👀

summer quest Jul 3, 2019, 5:16 PM

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suggest a voice chat channel called Anfängers Deutsch where people can speak slowly and listen to others speak slowly, therefore building up oral comprehension

obtuse sedgeBOT Jul 3, 2019, 5:16 PM

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Thank you, your suggestion has been submitted!

fathom fulcrum Jul 3, 2019, 5:42 PM

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@summer quest How does it differ from Practice Room?

tidal gorge Jul 3, 2019, 5:56 PM

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@fathom fulcrum Yeah it seems like we already have enough voice channels that there is always one free to do something like that IMO

summer quest Jul 3, 2019, 7:27 PM

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Oh is practice room what that’s used for?

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lmao never knew

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Thanks a lot @fathom fulcrum

crude orbit Jul 3, 2019, 11:04 PM

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suggest meme channel which we permanently banish arrem to forever

obtuse sedgeBOT Jul 3, 2019, 11:04 PM

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Thank you, your suggestion has been submitted!

obtuse sedgeBOT Jul 3, 2019, 11:29 PM

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@crude orbit, your suggestion has been accepted:

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Abusing the >suggest command will get you blacklisted.
Biglove,
Suzu

torn sparrow Jul 5, 2019, 7:20 AM

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Freiwillige Rolle mit altersbereich und eventuell Land

gritty geyser Jul 5, 2019, 7:38 AM

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Das ist nur viel zu kompliziert zu schaffen, schreib das einfach in deinen Namen

prisma plaza Jul 5, 2019, 11:37 AM

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suggest a role (assignable) which lets learners know this person is open to talk / can help in DMs

obtuse sedgeBOT Jul 5, 2019, 11:37 AM

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Thank you, your suggestion has been submitted!

crude orbit Jul 6, 2019, 5:56 AM

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@gritty geyser das ist doch nicht zu kompliziert, sollen sie einfach nur 206 rolle machen 🙄

umbral blaze Jul 6, 2019, 11:31 PM

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Suggest every possible combination of letters and numbers with a length of up to 30 characters as role

sand bramble Jul 7, 2019, 12:01 AM

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Later that day: Hello Discord, why won't your smelly platform let me create 5.91*10^53 roles?

lime sparrow Jul 7, 2019, 9:57 AM

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tbf, 250 is fairly limiting

obtuse sedgeBOT Jul 7, 2019, 2:11 PM

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@summer quest, your suggestion has been rejected:

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Rejected. That's what our Practice Room is used for, mostly.

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@cyan kite, your suggestion has been rejected:

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Rejected. Those meet-ups can pretty much be organised by anyone and I doubt the staff team can do much about it.

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@prisma plaza, your suggestion has been rejected:

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Rejected. While this is a good idea in theory, roles don't really make it easier for others when it comes to recognising whether someone is open to talk to in DMs or not. You're best off with adding that to your nickname. I.e YourName | DMs open.

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@atomic pilot, your suggestion has been rejected:

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Postponed for an indefinite amount of time. Low priority.

atomic pilot Jul 7, 2019, 2:15 PM

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lol

obtuse sedgeBOT Jul 7, 2019, 2:15 PM

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@tardy mirage, your suggestion has been rejected:

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Rejected. This was already discussed with a variety of people when it was first suggested. We generally add any emotes that contribute to the server's atmosphere/make it easier to communicate with others.

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@gleaming seal, your suggestion has been rejected:

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Rejected. German is not an official language in Namibia.

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@lime sparrow, your suggestion has been accepted:

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Accepted. We'll change our server icon as soon as an animated one becomes available (afaik Trax is currently working on one).

obtuse sedgeBOT Jul 7, 2019, 2:48 PM

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@peak holly, your suggestion has been accepted:

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Approved. The emote is now available. denglish

peak holly Jul 7, 2019, 2:50 PM

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We'll change our server icon as soon as an animated one becomes available (afaik Trax is currently working on one).
@magic jasper please make it easy on the eyes ;)
meaning it doesn't cycle too fast or it uses some soft transition

lime sparrow Jul 7, 2019, 3:39 PM

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is there a way to see what suggestions are still open?

peak holly Jul 7, 2019, 3:40 PM

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suggest list

obtuse sedgeBOT Jul 7, 2019, 3:40 PM

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Active suggestions (4 in total)

:zzz: [56] Suggested 5 months, 1 day and 6 hours ago

add a command like this one here, but for suggesting stuff regarding the resource list in #resources
By: Saʃʃa 🇨🇭
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:zzz: [57] Suggested 4 months, 4 weeks and 2 hours ago

making it an obligation to put tags (like with # or idk $ maybe?) on #resources postings so that resource postings can be indexable/searchable (Regexp via Botty McBotface could work I think) Further improvements can include bot commands on #resources such as >BeginnerBook || >IntermediateBook etc. etc. that would lead to a posting
By: myeyesareburning
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:clock1: [93] Suggested 2 months, 3 weeks and 6 days ago

a "thing of the day" channel with maximum slowmode enabled, where anyone can post cool expressions, words and facts they come across, while leaving all research up to the users (= the thing is not explained, just posted; people can ask about it in #questions or just research it on their own).
We've implemented it on the Italian server and it's been successful; it would be cool to have here too, especially for advanced speakers who struggle to find new stuff to learn (expressions especially).
By: brzrkr 💍🐾
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:clock1: [105] Suggested 2 months, 21 hours and 18 minutes ago

suggestion from carrots A pinned message in resources with newspapers after how difficult the german is. Not sure how controversial this would be politically, but I just want one sorted for difficulty.
By: Night Active 🦉
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lime sparrow Jul 7, 2019, 3:48 PM

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when did the eszett emote get rejected?

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https://discordapp.com/channels/221708975698083841/258608634575978496/581384933419909120 this one here

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it doesn’t appear to have been at all but it’s nto on the list?

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at least I can’t find it looking for messages pinging sebi

sand bramble Jul 7, 2019, 4:07 PM

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Eh. The eszett emoji was always a joke and it's really a beta and not a ß on purpose. Idk who/why renamed it.

lime sparrow Jul 7, 2019, 5:03 PM

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that’s not answering my question. the suggestion was made and I can’t seem to find a statement saying it’s been rejected, so I conclude that it was probably lost in the system somehow

sand bramble Jul 7, 2019, 5:43 PM

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Nor was it supposed to. I was making an observation and expressing my dissatisfaction. mmlol
As for the suggestion, I had a look myself and have no clue. 0x1 looked into it and it's not in the database either so who knows lmao.

wild aurora Jul 9, 2019, 4:55 PM

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friendly reminder that #suggestions is not the place for memes and banter 👀

pallid falcon Jul 10, 2019, 8:30 PM

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suggest A specific voice channel room for A1-2 people to talk German together

obtuse sedgeBOT Jul 10, 2019, 8:30 PM

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Thank you, your suggestion has been submitted!

gritty geyser Jul 10, 2019, 8:31 PM

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You can just use the practice room or any of the other 5 free vcs

obtuse sedgeBOT Jul 11, 2019, 9:49 PM

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@pallid falcon, your suggestion has been rejected:

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Rejected. You're free to use any available practice channels this server has to offer. Currently, there's no need to dedicate an entire voice channel to A1-2 learners.

lime sparrow Jul 11, 2019, 10:26 PM

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I must say, I find the voice channels here uncomfortable. When I last joined one to quickly discuss sth with someone, immediately two other people jumped in too

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cause they had a question or sth

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and I mean they couldn't know we didn't want company

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and I just find such things unpleasant and they make me not want to call here

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even if I like the community

fathom fulcrum Jul 11, 2019, 10:29 PM

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Isn't that just a natural consequence of any public VC though?

lime sparrow Jul 11, 2019, 10:29 PM

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yea but what I mean is "hey wanna do this over VC real quick" is a reasonable and common enough occurence that just isn't really plausible here

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more targeted voice channels could help

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even if only three of them are in use at any given time

fathom fulcrum Jul 11, 2019, 10:31 PM

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What kind of targeted voice channels?

lime sparrow Jul 11, 2019, 10:31 PM

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just like... more specific ones? like for one on one practice and the likes. I don't have a good enough idea of what the channels are all used for

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or for example, no offence intended but I don't like being in calls with beginners. I find it very mentally taxing to keep my language at an easy level or explain things when I want to hold a conversation. but from my (limited) experience that's how it usually tends to go

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I'd like to call with more advanced learners where I can talk freely, but I don't thibk there's a space foe that

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(this is not a promise that I will join calls more if such a channel was made but the current situation strongly discourages me from joining)

fathom fulcrum Jul 11, 2019, 10:36 PM

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Why do you find Nur Deutsch unsuitable?

gritty geyser Jul 11, 2019, 11:28 PM

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@lime sparrow if you're trying to discuss something with someone via voice chat, "private calls" also do exist on discord if you do not want interruptions from other random people.

lime sparrow Jul 11, 2019, 11:30 PM

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@fathom fulcrum because that's in fact the channel the described event happened in

@gritty geyser yes, but that is way more annoying and kinda defeats the purpose of having a learning hub here

gritty geyser Jul 11, 2019, 11:31 PM

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I understand it defeats the purpose of it but how is that "more annoying"

lime sparrow Jul 11, 2019, 11:32 PM

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have to exchange friend requests and then politely tell them to go away when they now think you're their private tutor

gritty geyser Jul 11, 2019, 11:32 PM

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I know there's a way you can add voice channels on discord that only allow a certain amount of people to join, maybe that would work? @lime sparrow

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it will start like 00/02

lime sparrow Jul 11, 2019, 11:33 PM

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I don't have particular wishes, I'm just trying to state what my issues are so people can be aware of it and think about it

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I know of that functionality and it could work but it's not optimal. What if you wanna talk to two people? should there also ve channels for groups of 3 and 4? that seems excessive even to me

gritty geyser Jul 11, 2019, 11:34 PM

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Most people aren't going to read what you're saying right now, so I still think my idea would probably be best.

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It doesn't have to be excessive

lime sparrow Jul 11, 2019, 11:34 PM

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the mods will and this is directed at them, not the masses

gritty geyser Jul 11, 2019, 11:34 PM

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We don't have like 20 people who are always in vc or something

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Alright

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They could also create a channel that is only joinable if a mod puts that person in the channel

fathom fulcrum Jul 11, 2019, 11:40 PM

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Yes, we've already previously discussed channels which have limits to how many people can join. We are unlikely to do anything like that in the near future.

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@lime sparrow What was the event exactly? Learners asking you to change how you speak for their benefit?

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If so, you are welcome to redirect them to Practice Room.

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In Nur Deutsch, people aren't required to speak at a beginner level.

lime sparrow Jul 11, 2019, 11:42 PM

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me wanting to show sth to someone in VC real quick. only reasonable empty channel was Nur Deutsch. we join, two people immediately move over and try to ask some question (in german, but hard to understand). I left on the spot cause I didn't want to deal with that at all

fathom fulcrum Jul 11, 2019, 11:42 PM

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Oh okay.

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I don't think there is any practical solution to that. Even if we made more channels, people would still do the same thing. But thank you for letting us know about your concerns anyway.

cyan kite Jul 12, 2019, 12:06 AM

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suggest make vc for 2 people or only 4 people.

obtuse sedgeBOT Jul 12, 2019, 12:07 AM

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pallid falcon Jul 12, 2019, 2:15 AM

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suggest make users be able to create private voice channels (They can choose privacy, voice-user-limits, vc name)

obtuse sedgeBOT Jul 12, 2019, 2:15 AM

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Thank you, your suggestion has been submitted!

sand bramble Jul 12, 2019, 2:44 AM

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You already can. Discord supports creating private DM groups for up to 9 (I believe) people. As such, we encourage members who want small private sessions to just use those instead.

gritty geyser Jul 12, 2019, 5:54 AM

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suggest talking about Nur-Deutsch, please make more effort to keep it German-only, whenever I join, people are speaking in English, even if the mods are there, sometimes especially the mods keep switching to English

obtuse sedgeBOT Jul 12, 2019, 5:54 AM

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Thank you, your suggestion has been submitted!

gritty geyser Jul 12, 2019, 5:56 AM

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Maybe i should have specified I mean the VC

gritty geyser Jul 13, 2019, 4:18 AM

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I have noticed that as well @gritty geyser

candid light Jul 15, 2019, 8:18 AM

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Hi! Who can I talk to about advertising another German-learning server on here? 😃

fathom fulcrum Jul 15, 2019, 8:19 AM

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Sorry but we don't really have a place for advertising here.

candid light Jul 15, 2019, 8:20 AM

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Ah alright. Trying to get some more people into a new/smaller server.

tardy mirage Jul 16, 2019, 3:00 AM

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@fathom fulcrum If the advertising is German-related, shouldn't it be okay to post it parsimoniously?

fathom fulcrum Jul 16, 2019, 3:12 AM

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@tardy mirage If it's something considered to be a learning resource then it could be posted in the #resources channel, sure. But we don't have any kind of advertising channel, and we also don't partner with other servers. Most kinds of advertising - as they are typically for the purposes of profit or recruitment - are also not suitable for this kind of server.

tardy mirage Jul 16, 2019, 3:13 AM

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I understand. Thanks.

magic jasper Jul 18, 2019, 1:24 AM

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@lime sparrow other servers handle that scenario with 2 people limit channels. Like what Dex suggested above

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Sorry for the ping. I should have read further up. Keepping the above post so you dont have phantom ping situation

tiny folio Jul 20, 2019, 7:17 PM

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can we have diffrent voice chats for begginer intermedient and so ona s it is sometimes hard to be involved when people are speaking advanced german

stark veldt Jul 20, 2019, 7:44 PM

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suggest change the link at the bottom of the CEFR explanation because that doesn’t lead anywhere anymore

obtuse sedgeBOT Jul 20, 2019, 7:44 PM

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Thank you, your suggestion has been submitted!

tiny folio Jul 20, 2019, 8:28 PM

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suggest can we have diffrent voice chats for begginer intermedient and so ona s it is sometimes hard to be involved when people are speaking advanced german

obtuse sedgeBOT Jul 20, 2019, 8:28 PM

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Thank you, your suggestion has been submitted!

peak holly Jul 20, 2019, 8:48 PM

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@stark veldt faq updated

obtuse sedgeBOT Jul 20, 2019, 8:49 PM

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@pallid falcon, your suggestion has been rejected:

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Rejected. That's what group DMs are for.

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@stark veldt, your suggestion has been accepted:

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Accepted. FAQ entry was updated.

stark veldt Jul 20, 2019, 8:52 PM

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hoorah

summer quest Jul 23, 2019, 6:37 AM

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suggest a role play channel (ik this sounds weird af I promise I’m not a furry) where people can say things and “do” things to progress a storyline in German, while others can say and “do” things to change said storyline, thereby creating a channel in which one can encounter many scenarios that they have to adapt their language to as the story progresses

obtuse sedgeBOT Jul 23, 2019, 6:37 AM

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Thank you, your suggestion has been submitted!

lime sparrow Jul 23, 2019, 11:04 AM

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I feel lik ethat would require a ton of moderating/DMing to work well

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and I think such projects are better suited to slower media (like a forum)

fathom fulcrum Jul 23, 2019, 11:31 AM

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This isn't an official response to the suggestion since the moderation team hasn't discussed it or anything yet. But I want to mention, you're absolutely welcome to use #beginner-german to do role-play practice.

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@summer quest

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But what Sascha said is also a good thing to note. Roleplay of that scale tends to be better done in its own independent group/forum/etc.

languid mulch Jul 23, 2019, 2:04 PM

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On the countrary, I know several servers where it works well. Roleplays live from players reacting instead of DMing beforehand

fathom fulcrum Jul 23, 2019, 2:19 PM

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Yes, you can do live RP. It works fine as a medium. But any kind of RP can be complicated and expansive. People may not agree on a topic, style, rules, etc. People are of course welcome to practice in any way they want on the server (within reason), but to specifically cater to RP goes somewhat beyond the intended scope of this server.

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It's also important to note that usually we create new channels based on topics/functions that are already heavily present in the server. For example, if you really feel that a roleplay channel should be created, I'd expect to see a lot of RP happening in #beginner-german or some other channel supporting the need for a new channel.

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But even then, it may make more sense to create something external for that purpose.

languid mulch Jul 23, 2019, 2:28 PM

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I aggree

delicate hawk Jul 23, 2019, 2:40 PM

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I dont know how much traffic there is in #beginner-german on a normal day since i dont visit it much , but if it were too much i think it may warrent a seperate channel for RP. Othervise it may simply be too chaotic.

cyan kite Jul 23, 2019, 2:42 PM

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^

fathom fulcrum Jul 23, 2019, 2:46 PM

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@delicate hawk Currently no one is using it pretty much at all. Hence me encouraging the use of that channel, since the obvious intended purpose of RP is to practice German.

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Of course if a channel is being taken over by a topic, we will consider making a new channel for that topic. That's exactly what I explained in my previous comment.

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But as yet I believe I have never seen people do any kind of RP since I've been on the server, so I wouldn't say that's any issue.

delicate hawk Jul 23, 2019, 2:52 PM

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Aight👌

summer quest Jul 23, 2019, 8:16 PM

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@fathom fulcrum alright then, sounds good

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thanks

cyan kite Jul 26, 2019, 11:53 PM

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suggest how about you guys ban people with literally pics of the ss,Hitler or any other stuff as a pfp? Instead of giving a “warning” or even saying yeah mate change it. It ain’t not fun at all if such a edgy person joins and thinks it is fun at all...

obtuse sedgeBOT Jul 26, 2019, 11:53 PM

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Thank you, your suggestion has been submitted!

lime sparrow Jul 27, 2019, 7:44 AM

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I disagree. there's a lot of edgy kids who just aren't aware of how big a deal it is. give them a chance to learn and correct their mistake

peak holly Jul 27, 2019, 7:48 AM

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one could argue it's not a great loss if edgy kids are b& on sight ;)

atomic pilot Jul 27, 2019, 7:50 AM

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^

sudden summit Jul 27, 2019, 7:57 AM

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^

stark veldt Jul 27, 2019, 8:06 AM

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^

lime sparrow Jul 27, 2019, 8:26 AM

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the issue is they’ll continue to be banned in three years when they decide they wanna learn german again

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among other things

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I’m just not a fan of insta-perma-bans

glacial stump Jul 27, 2019, 11:10 AM

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^

opaque pendant Jul 27, 2019, 11:50 AM

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Kicked with a warning + strike?

glacial stump Jul 27, 2019, 11:57 AM

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I can get behind a kick with a messsge "rejoin when you've fixed your pfp and name" or smth like that

lime sparrow Jul 27, 2019, 12:10 PM

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you can’t give a kick message

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so you have to send a message and then kick them once they’ve had a chance to read it

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or send them a PM

glacial stump Jul 27, 2019, 12:12 PM

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Thought PM, but I guess the problem with that is that you need them on a common server 🤷

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Tbh, I don't really know

obtuse sedgeBOT Jul 27, 2019, 12:49 PM

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@cyan kite, your suggestion has been rejected:

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Rejected. While we don't in any way condone the use of offensive imagery, we can't know the circumstances surrounding a new member's choice of profile picture, name, or anything else which may be associated with their account before joining. Given that our bans are permanent, we prefer to give any person the benefit of the doubt until we have more information. However, if anyone has any concerns about a member of the server potentially breaking the rules or causing harm, we welcome you to let us know, so that we can deal with it as necessary.

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@cyan kite, your suggestion has been rejected:

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Rejected. Links related to German-language news media are already available in the curated resource list pinned in #resources. If there is a resource missing that you feel should be added to this list, please post the resource in #resources along with a request to have it added to the Google doc.

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@gritty geyser, your suggestion has been accepted:

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Accepted. We try our best to ensure that the voice channels are used for their intended purposes. We also apologize if any moderator has inadvertently spoken English in Nur Deutsch. However, in order to ensure the voice channels are used appropriately, we require support from the community. If you notice someone speaking English in Nur Deutsch despite being asked not to do so, please notify us so that we can solve the issue.

obtuse sedgeBOT Jul 27, 2019, 1:27 PM

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@cyan kite, your suggestion has been rejected:

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Rejected. This idea has been discussed several times in the past, with various pros and cons being considered. We ultimately decided that we won't implement this feature on the server. If people wish to have private voice conversations, we recommend creating a private DM group and inviting the people you wish to voice chat with.

cyan kite Jul 27, 2019, 1:40 PM

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Hahahahah okey gut zu wissen

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Das wars 😂🙏🏼

obtuse sedgeBOT Jul 27, 2019, 2:20 PM

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@tiny folio, your suggestion has been rejected:

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Rejected. Nur Deutsch can be considered a VC for intermediate or advanced speakers, since you're expected to only speak german in there. If you feel like this might be too difficult for you, feel free to use the Practice Room or even the Allgemein VC. Currently the usage of the VCs doesn't justify creating one for each level.

peak holly Jul 29, 2019, 11:28 AM

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(use the >suggest command)

wet python Jul 29, 2019, 11:29 AM

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oh right thx for reminding me

peak holly Jul 29, 2019, 11:30 AM

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though how would the bot detect when a specific question has been answered? We would need at least two bot commands to respectively ask and answer questions, and I can see those being ignored by most people

wet python Jul 29, 2019, 11:30 AM

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hmm.. good point

peak holly Jul 29, 2019, 11:30 AM

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the easiest solution atm would be to just ask to be pinged if someone answers... and hope people remember you :P

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it'd be a great feature though, for sure

wet python Jul 29, 2019, 11:32 AM

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I have to repost the message with > suggest and not edit it right?

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suggest hello, sometimes I run into some very interesting questions in the #questions channel asked by other people, and then must keep checking until someone answers it. however they might get answered after a while( sometimes even the next day). So would it be possible to program the bot to ping people who marked this question with a specific reaction(emoji) whenever a native or a C-level answers it? i believe it would be really helpful for us learners and can probable reduce the amount of repeated questions
thanks im Voraus :D

obtuse sedgeBOT Jul 29, 2019, 11:33 AM

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Thank you, your suggestion has been submitted!

sand bramble Jul 29, 2019, 11:57 AM

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It's not possible for the bot to know (on its own) if a message is replying to a particular question. We could make it a part of the channel's etiquette and encourage people to ping when giving answers. Prefixing your message (or reacting to it) with something like a 🔔 could be used to indicate that you want a ping more easily, similar to how we use flag reactions when people are speaking English in #german-only.
(Not an official response, just my own thoughts on the subject.)

peak holly Jul 29, 2019, 1:03 PM

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reactions make it really hard for humans to check that you wanted to be pinged and then ping you, so i don't think that would work

lime sparrow Jul 29, 2019, 1:20 PM

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I generally follow the practice of pinging if I’m responding to something that was longer ago (e.g. over 30 minutes and the person is clearly not here anymore) and quoting the question if there’s been intervening discussions

sand bramble Jul 29, 2019, 5:11 PM

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How come? You see a bell, you ping the person, there's nothing to check. The only downside is that someone could spam the bell reaction on questions that aren't theirs, but that's easily solved.

peak holly Jul 29, 2019, 6:02 PM

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you have to get the person's name from the reactions. Some nicks are idiotically long or have hard-to-type characters, if more than a few people react you can't easily read the names. Not to mention the answerer would have to be aware of the convention. Nothing unsolvable, but annoying enough to guarantee most people won't bother

gritty geyser Jul 29, 2019, 6:29 PM

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well, in theory I could do the following if I had a question as a learner in a channel meant for those types of questions specifically:

:bell: Hello I have a question about X, could you please help me?

The bot would then index that message and listen for another marker that aims to answer the question. Though, I don't really know why someone who's trying to help them can't simply ping them if they answer their question

cyan kite Jul 29, 2019, 6:32 PM

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Das hört sich doch gut an @gritty geyser

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Auf auf oxy mach es

gritty geyser Jul 29, 2019, 6:38 PM

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Another thing that might be interesting is the use of a ticket system of sorts. Person A either implicitly creates a question with a marker (the bell emote for example) or uses a >command. The bot then indexes that message and saves the message jump url. People could then answer his question with another >command <id> and Person A could either mark the question as resolved or wait for more answers/provide more information to aid with answering their question. There could be a pool of questions that everyone can see, similar to >suggest list. But again, I'm unsure whether this would be too automated for people or confusing

fathom fulcrum Jul 29, 2019, 6:39 PM

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I think it would cause more problems than it would solve.

cyan kite Jul 29, 2019, 6:40 PM

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And why?

fathom fulcrum Jul 29, 2019, 6:40 PM

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Since the original problem is simply that people who didn't ask the question want to be able to see when the question is answered. As in, they want to see when another person's question is answered. I think it's easy enough for them to just pay attention to the conversation and see when the answer is posted.

cyan kite Jul 29, 2019, 6:40 PM

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Lel auch a ticket or bell system would make it easier tho

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For both sides

fathom fulcrum Jul 29, 2019, 6:40 PM

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And trying to implement any kind of system of ticketing or anything as suggested kinda interrupts the flow of how #questions works.

cyan kite Jul 29, 2019, 6:41 PM

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Lmfao

gritty geyser Jul 29, 2019, 6:42 PM

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I think it might be worth to give it a try if enough people agree with my implementation suggestion. It wouldn't be too hard to implement it but I'd like to see what others think first

fathom fulcrum Jul 29, 2019, 6:42 PM

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It makes sense for something like #suggestions because you have 1 question and 1 answer. For a discussion about a grammar topic or something, it's kinda messy and confusing, there are usually multiple people involved, it could be answered multiple times over different discussions, with people adding questions, etc.

cyan kite Jul 29, 2019, 6:45 PM

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Give it a try a base

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And let’s see how it works out

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In the end you guys can still cancel it

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Trial and error principle

fathom fulcrum Jul 29, 2019, 6:46 PM

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It's not my decision. I'm just adding my opinion.

gritty geyser Jul 29, 2019, 6:47 PM

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I am with @fathom fulcrum Speaking from a logical perspective

peak holly Jul 29, 2019, 7:21 PM

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@gritty geyser it wasn't about pinging the one who asked the question as much as pinging any observer who is also interested in knowing the answer

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the bidirectional relationship between asker and answerer is pretty much automatic per se

lime sparrow Jul 30, 2019, 12:44 PM

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is there any reasonable way one could enforce people asking questions about meanings to give more context

peak holly Jul 30, 2019, 12:47 PM

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get the bot to scold them after recognising certain patterns like "what does {} mean?", "what means {}?" etc.

wild aurora Jul 30, 2019, 12:50 PM

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~~aka no~~
Maybe we could add it to the channel description but you can't really enforce it

peak holly Jul 30, 2019, 12:54 PM

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the problem is that even if you went extreme and, for example, scolded users who ask malformed questions and refused to answer them, it wouldn't solve the problem anyway because those who most typically make those mistakes are newcomers who cannot be aware of all that's been said and how many times it has been said

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the most we could do is make a FAQ to explain it and just do >faq how to ask questions every time someone is too lazy to make their questions answerable

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actually maybe we already have such a faq

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yep, we do >faq how to ask a question

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and i'm the one who made it, apparently. Way ahead of you. And way ahead of myself, too

gritty geyser Jul 30, 2019, 10:38 PM

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We need a channel which is locked for the new language beginners from tips with what to start and also that contains exercises for practice Indeed there are channels but people write and the history of the educational elements might have already been disappeared

fathom fulcrum Jul 30, 2019, 10:40 PM

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@gritty geyser We have commands for that. Try typing >faq all into #botchannel to see. As for exercises, there are many in the resource list as well as weekly exercises provided by Pferd.

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And if you'd like to make a suggestion, please use the >suggest command.

prisma dock Jul 31, 2019, 7:32 AM

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suggest we should add a bot (maybe with it's own channel?) that transmits German radio, I know there is specifically one that does it

obtuse sedgeBOT Jul 31, 2019, 7:32 AM

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cyan kite Aug 1, 2019, 11:21 AM

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suggest make a fun channel ala ask ouya from Reddit. Can be fun uh

obtuse sedgeBOT Aug 1, 2019, 11:21 AM

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Thank you, your suggestion has been submitted!

obtuse sedgeBOT Aug 1, 2019, 11:39 AM

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@cyan kite, your suggestion has been accepted:

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Accepted. The group is accessible via >sub ouija for an indefinite amount of time.

gritty geyser Aug 3, 2019, 9:09 AM

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Add a word of the day

delicate hawk Aug 3, 2019, 9:25 AM

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Theres a suggestion command '>suggest' if u wanna make a suggestion @gritty geyser

peak holly Aug 3, 2019, 9:26 AM

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that specific thing already has a suggestion pending

lime sparrow Aug 3, 2019, 9:26 AM

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are you going to organize it?

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if not, who?

tacit relic Aug 3, 2019, 9:27 AM

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I think it already denied many times

peak holly Aug 3, 2019, 9:27 AM

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doesn't need to be heavily organised. It can just be a slowmode channel where anyone can post interesting things

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it was never denied

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it has just not been decided on yet

tacit relic Aug 3, 2019, 9:28 AM

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Alright

gritty geyser Aug 3, 2019, 9:31 AM

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Oh.

atomic pilot Aug 3, 2019, 9:41 AM

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just ask pferd

peak holly Aug 3, 2019, 9:47 AM

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that's a word of the neigh, not of the day

hoary sequoia Aug 4, 2019, 10:15 AM

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suggest Have multiple question channels perhaps because then more questions can be asked without people having to wait for others to finish; can't see any obvious disadvantages

obtuse sedgeBOT Aug 4, 2019, 10:15 AM

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Thank you, your suggestion has been submitted!

peak holly Aug 4, 2019, 10:20 AM

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an obvious disadvantage could be that the channel list becomes longer, which is not to be underestimated. But #questions is probably the most important channel of the server and if there's a need for having two, it would certainly surpass the drawbacks.
Though if possible I'd try to separate concerns rather than just duplicate it. As in, split the topics into two dedicated channels (as was done with #archived-culture-study-visa, where all questions of that type used to be asked in #questions )

delicate hawk Aug 4, 2019, 12:44 PM

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As in split what grammar gets asked in what channels?

peak holly Aug 4, 2019, 12:49 PM

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sort of, but i don't have any concrete idea for categories

lime sparrow Aug 4, 2019, 1:28 PM

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grammar questions vs other questions
A level vs B+ level
questions that can be answered in one sentence vs questions that will require a long discussion
questions you ask here if this channel is unoccpied vs questions you ask here if the other channel is occupied

peak holly Aug 4, 2019, 1:33 PM

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how do you expect an asker to know whether his question can be answered in one sentence vs. more? :P

delicate hawk Aug 4, 2019, 1:34 PM

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the a level/ b level and above categorization is good

lime sparrow Aug 4, 2019, 1:58 PM

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how do you expect an asker to know whether his question can be answered in one sentence vs. more? :P
I kinda don’t tbh, that one isn’t that functional

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the other ones could all work tho

peak holly Aug 4, 2019, 2:01 PM

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could be split into "help me translate this/what does this mean/is this correct" vs. "how does this work"

lime sparrow Aug 4, 2019, 2:12 PM

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that’s more or less the intention but have fun writing that all into the channel titles

peak holly Aug 4, 2019, 2:14 PM

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help vs. grammar-questions? Something like that, maybe making "help" less generic

fathom fulcrum Aug 4, 2019, 2:20 PM

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A level vs B level wouldn't work. People obsess way too much about level accuracy for themselves to decide this.

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I think it makes sense to just redirect overflow to #beginner-german

lime sparrow Aug 4, 2019, 2:25 PM

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I mean it could be #questions-beginner vs #questions-advanced

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instead of A vs B/C

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for the most part it won’t matter too much where you ask anyway, I reckon it’s more to do with what kind of answer you expect

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in beginner, you’d expect an answer that doesn’t just throw jargon at you etc

fathom fulcrum Aug 4, 2019, 2:28 PM

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I still don't think it's reasonable to expect people to determine the level on their own.

lime sparrow Aug 4, 2019, 2:34 PM

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I mean you know whether you only just started out or not, right?

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like, maybe the names could be chosen better but I’d kinda draw the line at “have heard the relevant grammar terms and am okay with jargon or more in-depth discussions on potentially complex problems”. that’s a mindset moreso than a skill level

fathom fulcrum Aug 4, 2019, 2:39 PM

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For you I'm sure it's easy to decide. For many people, it's somehow a very difficult, intimidating, confusing and/or stressful task.

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And I don't like obstacles which have a high chance to discourage someone from posting due to indecision.

lime sparrow Aug 4, 2019, 2:54 PM

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could always make it #questions-general and #questions-in-depth, with the former being open to any kind of question as long as it’s unoccupied, and the latter exclusive to those questions where you just know you’ll be talking for 20 minutes straight

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that way, if you don’t know where to go, just go to the first

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(or make it questions-1 and -2, and tell regulars to use -2 if they have a question that’ll take longer to leave -1 open for others)

peak holly Aug 4, 2019, 3:04 PM

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i stand by my suggestion of separating the very common, very simple questions from the more involved ones. A descriptive name to attract the right users (mostly newcomers) to the channel is the only obstacle

sand bramble Aug 5, 2019, 10:27 PM

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@static pulsar Sorry for the deletion, I forgot we had a filter in that channel. I meant the dude who randomly ended the vaccine sentence, not you.

static pulsar Aug 5, 2019, 10:28 PM

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Ohhh okay

lime sparrow Aug 7, 2019, 9:44 AM

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suggest Document the rules for the spam filter somewhere

obtuse sedgeBOT Aug 7, 2019, 9:44 AM

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Thank you, your suggestion has been submitted!

delicate hawk Aug 7, 2019, 11:39 AM

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Yah wierd that there was nothing in the announcement channel

rough violet Aug 7, 2019, 12:30 PM

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...but then people will just try to avoid it?

lime sparrow Aug 7, 2019, 12:37 PM

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then you can ban them. the point is that things like “no youtube links in #general” are not documented anywhere

sand bramble Aug 7, 2019, 12:39 PM

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The bot now tells you about it when it deletes your message.

lime sparrow Aug 7, 2019, 12:58 PM

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that’d be nice I suppose

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(please don’t mind me while I quickly test this)

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yea I didn’t get a message

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(just posted a yt link in #general)

gritty geyser Aug 7, 2019, 1:09 PM

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could you try again, please

tacit relic Aug 7, 2019, 1:16 PM

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I tried, still no message

gritty geyser Aug 7, 2019, 1:18 PM

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weird, because I'm getting one

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peak holly Aug 7, 2019, 1:19 PM

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mods get scolded but mortals don't. Is this the beginning of the revolution?

gritty geyser Aug 7, 2019, 1:20 PM

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nah I used an alt

lime sparrow Aug 7, 2019, 1:20 PM

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worked now

gritty geyser Aug 7, 2019, 1:20 PM

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blobthumbsup

lime sparrow Aug 7, 2019, 1:21 PM

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I still stand by my suggestion of “have you tried just turning off embeds?” though

tacit relic Aug 7, 2019, 1:21 PM

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Yes 👍

lime sparrow Aug 7, 2019, 1:21 PM

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(idk how that’d interact with people posting pictures)

gritty geyser Aug 7, 2019, 1:21 PM

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it wouldn't work well with images unless people only post regular attachments

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i.e imgur links wouldnt display a preview

lime sparrow Aug 7, 2019, 1:22 PM

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that’s the only way I post images but then I may not be the norm

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(unless I’m trying to like, link an album or sth, in which case I wouldn’t mind there not being a preview)

glacial stump Aug 7, 2019, 7:36 PM

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Maybe do this error message for every type of filtering?

lime sparrow Aug 7, 2019, 7:37 PM

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that could actually be used for more effective spamming

glacial stump Aug 7, 2019, 7:37 PM

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Oh

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oof

lime sparrow Aug 7, 2019, 7:37 PM

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however, you could make it PM it

glacial stump Aug 7, 2019, 7:38 PM

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I see what you mean

lime sparrow Aug 7, 2019, 7:38 PM

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then it’d only annoy the user

glacial stump Aug 7, 2019, 7:38 PM

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Yeah

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That was what I thought the other did aswell 🤔

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The other error message

obtuse sedgeBOT Aug 7, 2019, 8:19 PM

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Rejected. This might get changed and re-approved in the future.

wet python Aug 8, 2019, 8:58 PM

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suggest we need a second channel to type stuff in, voicechat2

obtuse sedgeBOT Aug 8, 2019, 8:58 PM

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Thank you, your suggestion has been submitted!

cyan kite Aug 9, 2019, 7:43 AM

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Oh yes pls

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It sometimes get spammy as fuck

obtuse sedgeBOT Aug 10, 2019, 9:02 PM

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Accepted. The new channel is available at #voice-chat-2.

delicate hawk Aug 10, 2019, 10:57 PM

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why is "sprach chat" not simply named "voice chat 2"
might be confusing for new comers

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nvm i jus now read that german is preferred there

last escarp Aug 13, 2019, 9:39 AM

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Ich möchte Kritik hervorbringen und zwar sind die Flaggen im #german-only channel fehlerhaft. Es fehlen folgende Länder: Italien (Süd-Tirol), Slowakai (Blaufuss und Kuneschhau) Namibia (Nationalsprache), Frankreich (Elsass-Lohtringen) und Dänemark (Nord-Schleswig)

lime sparrow Aug 13, 2019, 9:39 AM

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last escarp Aug 13, 2019, 9:40 AM

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suggest Ich möchte Kritik hervorbringen und zwar sind die Flaggen im #german-only channel fehlerhaft. Es fehlen folgende Länder: Italien (Süd-Tirol), Slowakai (Blaufuss und Kuneschhau) Namibia (Nationalsprache), Frankreich (Elsass-Lohtringen) und Dänemark (Nord-Schleswig)

obtuse sedgeBOT Aug 13, 2019, 9:40 AM

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obtuse sedgeBOT Aug 13, 2019, 11:01 AM

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Rejected. We currently don't have enough unicode emojis to represent all nations accordingly, nor do we want to make changes to the existing channel description, cluttering it even more.

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Rejected. At the moment, there's no need for an additional questions channel. We will reconsider this suggestion as soon an issue arises. For now, you're welcome to use #beginner-german on the rare occasion that #questions is overcrowded.

delicate hawk Aug 13, 2019, 1:04 PM

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suggest How about instead of making a new channel named "questions 2" or something (adding more channels to the list), just rename "practice" to "questions 2". The current name of the channel doesn't reflect that it can be used for doubts relating to German, but rather only for..... practice. What i mean is, the current purpose of "practice" can easily be accommodated in a channel named "questions 2" and could do much more........including solving some issues like diverting beginners to the new "questions 2 channel" and keeping the former one for advanced/intermediate lerners. the current channel function/description , in my opinion could be expanded.

obtuse sedgeBOT Aug 13, 2019, 1:04 PM

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fathom fulcrum Aug 13, 2019, 1:11 PM

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@delicate hawk The main usage of #beginner-german is for practicing. The previous comment was just to mention that you're allowed to ask questions there. There's no rule against it. Even if #questions is a better channel to ask, if you need to, there's no reason you can't ask in #beginner-german , or even #general or #general-2 for that matter.

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In other words, there's no reason to make a second questions channel yet, because #questions doesn't get very busy, and even if it does, you can always use one of the other potential channels.

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Compare this to the other suggestion of a second voice chat. The reason why this was approved and implemented is because #voice-chat does indeed get busy at times, and there's also no channel which is suitable for overflow from that channel. In that kind of situation, we will make a second channel, as it's the only option for that purpose. #questions actually has potential alternatives, so it's a different scenario.

obtuse sedgeBOT Aug 13, 2019, 1:29 PM

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Rejected. Refer to Base's post above for more information in regard to this decision.

wet python Aug 16, 2019, 11:09 PM

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suggest da Deutschlernende manchmal auf doppeldeutige, lustige oder einfach wahnsinnige Sätze stoßen, wäre es super, wenn wir diese Sätze gegenseitig teilen.
slow mode Textkanal: WTF German( or some creative title)

obtuse sedgeBOT Aug 16, 2019, 11:10 PM

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obtuse sedgeBOT Aug 18, 2019, 5:44 AM

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Rejected. This has been suggested and rejected multiple times in the past. We will not be adding a meme channel.

muted plinth Aug 26, 2019, 12:22 AM

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suggest A second casual voice channel for when the first one is occupied?

obtuse sedgeBOT Aug 26, 2019, 12:22 AM

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fathom fulcrum Aug 26, 2019, 12:23 AM

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@muted plinth There is one already. It's named Allgemein.

muted plinth Aug 26, 2019, 12:24 AM

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From what I understand it's made for speaking German?

fathom fulcrum Aug 26, 2019, 12:25 AM

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No, English and German are both allowed in all the chats except Nur Deutsch.

muted plinth Aug 26, 2019, 12:25 AM

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I see. Thank you 🙇

fathom fulcrum Aug 26, 2019, 12:26 AM

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Np.

celest fox Aug 28, 2019, 12:10 AM

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Ich schlage vor, einen Weg zu finden, um die Nationalität des user zu kennen, wie es bereits für das Niveau der Kenntnisse gilt.

delicate hawk Aug 28, 2019, 7:16 AM

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Firstly u have to use suggest command ">suggest". Secondly the mods will prolly reject this since its difficult to add so many nationality roles

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There was a suggestion like this before

peak holly Aug 28, 2019, 9:09 AM

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And it's also not really useful or relevant, contrary to cefr levels

gritty geyser Aug 28, 2019, 9:17 AM

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correct. You're free to include your nationality in your nickname, however (e.g RandomName | GER).

lime sparrow Aug 28, 2019, 10:16 AM

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or what I do

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there’s flag emoji for a reason!

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(it’s actually kinda nontrivial to get them into your nickname tho)

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(and they don’t even render properly on all devices)

mossy gulch Aug 29, 2019, 2:42 PM

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suggest A photography group if there's interest

obtuse sedgeBOT Aug 29, 2019, 2:42 PM

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gritty geyser Aug 29, 2019, 2:44 PM

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Could you elaborate on that a bit, please. I'm curious how one would differ from #archived-media

mossy gulch Aug 29, 2019, 8:32 PM

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Well more about photography itself than just sharing the photos

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More about the technical aspects

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Like the ISO, white balance, compositions etc

peak holly Aug 29, 2019, 8:35 PM

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would be interested

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especially if we have someone who already knows their shit here

delicate hawk Aug 29, 2019, 10:06 PM

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but how does it fit the theme of this server?

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why would a german learning server have a photography channel

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i mean, i bet there are entire servers dedicated to that type of content creation and could be way more helpful than anything a single photography channel on a German server.

lime sparrow Aug 29, 2019, 10:12 PM

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the same could be said about the food and science groups. A server like this is more than just its primary purpose, it's also a community with shared interests, and it's healthy to make room for those interests.
What I don't know personally is, if photography is a commonly shared interest here

fathom fulcrum Aug 29, 2019, 10:14 PM

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Yeah, I don't believe I've ever seen people talk about photography on the server. And usually we only make new channels for stuff that's talked about pretty much every day.

ashen zenith Aug 29, 2019, 10:15 PM

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i would like sharing photo pics

gritty geyser Aug 29, 2019, 10:34 PM

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I've also never seen people talk about photography on the server. The only pics that usually get shared are food pics in #food

lime sparrow Aug 29, 2019, 10:40 PM

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(and any photo posted in media gets ignored)

peak holly Aug 30, 2019, 5:18 AM

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that may be due to media itself as a channel

stiff kettle Sep 1, 2019, 1:35 AM

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suggest a 'linguistics' role and channel to identify those with knowledge of the subject and for a dedicated place for more in-depth discussions and questions (imaginably predominantly about german, but also for english and other languages' being the topic of conversation)

obtuse sedgeBOT Sep 1, 2019, 1:35 AM

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Thank you, your suggestion has been submitted!

stark veldt Sep 1, 2019, 7:26 PM

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I think this would be a good idea

delicate hawk Sep 1, 2019, 7:34 PM

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i guess the dialekts/questions channel is being used for the german in depth questions and discussions and for other languages theres obv anderesprachen

peak holly Sep 1, 2019, 7:36 PM

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discussing linguistic details on german in #questions is off-topic past a certain point, even though such discussions are sparked by questions

stiff kettle Sep 1, 2019, 9:20 PM

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and anderesprachen just looks like a place for people to speak swedish and japanese which is not the ideal for facilitating posting of linguistics material

lime sparrow Sep 1, 2019, 9:36 PM

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also people who think they know everything complain when you speak english there for more than two seconds

stiff kettle Sep 1, 2019, 9:40 PM

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that's irritating

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i experience that in another server

mortal coral Sep 1, 2019, 11:15 PM

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I am new and sorry for already posting a suggestion, but is it possible to offer some Austrian-German knowledge in a separate channel by explaining some particular words? (I am German, good knowledge in English (Cambridge Proficiency), living in Austria and would like to spread some info and help. I am patient, helpful and used to help people as I did some German courses for tourist and foreigners. I did not want to bost just did not know where I should post this. If this is the wrong channel please let me know.

peak holly Sep 2, 2019, 5:53 AM

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i believe #dialects would be the right place for stuff on austrian german

lime sparrow Sep 2, 2019, 9:41 AM

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aye

gritty geyser Sep 2, 2019, 10:32 AM

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guys, can you make a channel where one can talk about history in german?
I would like to practice, but dont know what to talk about with people

peak holly Sep 2, 2019, 12:02 PM

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you can simply introduce a topic in any of the general chats

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if the problem is not knowing what to talk about, having a channel specific for history wouldn't really help. It's not like you can't discuss history elsewhere

obtuse sedgeBOT Sep 3, 2019, 9:35 AM

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@muted plinth, your suggestion has been rejected:

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Rejected. We have plenty of additional VC channels in case one is full.

vestal pumice Sep 3, 2019, 7:23 PM

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Add Scandinavian channel ;))

fathom fulcrum Sep 3, 2019, 7:28 PM

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A general reminder to everyone: we generally only respond to suggestions made with the >suggest command.

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@vestal pumice That's #other-languages

vestal pumice Sep 3, 2019, 7:29 PM

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K dude

fathom fulcrum Sep 3, 2019, 7:31 PM

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wet python Sep 5, 2019, 4:07 AM

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suggest ouija's commands ad responses in German

obtuse sedgeBOT Sep 5, 2019, 4:07 AM

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gritty geyser Sep 5, 2019, 7:02 AM

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What exactly do you mean with that?

hasty lantern Sep 7, 2019, 8:17 AM

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suggest Ein Wettbewerb für die beste Schreibung. Der Sieg bekommt eine temporäre Rolle wie "The writer of the Month". Ein Jury (am besten aus Muttersprachler oder C) gibt eine Note und die Leute eine Note. Der Admin entscheidet danach wer Gewinner wird.

obtuse sedgeBOT Sep 7, 2019, 8:17 AM

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peak holly Sep 7, 2019, 8:21 AM

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interesting concept but why would the admins have the last word?

hasty lantern Sep 7, 2019, 8:49 AM

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Who else? Who can give the role?

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If someone can code it, then there will be no need for an admin.

peak holly Sep 7, 2019, 10:15 AM

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Any mod can give the role but why would that have to be the same person who decides the winner

hasty lantern Sep 7, 2019, 11:09 AM

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As I said, someone has to hand out the role "Writer of the month". It's the final mark which determine the winner, not the admin. The admin or the responsible of this special role will only give it to the winner.

lime sparrow Sep 7, 2019, 11:11 AM

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my biggest issue with this is that it’s kinda problematic due to the range in skills. only people who are already highly proficient in German could even reasonably participate if they want to have a shot at winning, and I feel like with there being a “prize” on the line people would only participate because of it (as paradoxical as that may sound)

hasty lantern Sep 7, 2019, 11:15 AM

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The end goal is learning. And if you want to improve your German you to have to compete even with the best, with the C and the natives. But it is also possible to have two divisions first-, and second- division and one has to chose in which division to compete, but that would cause a lot of overhead.

still grove Sep 7, 2019, 11:17 AM

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Native speakers could join as well and the jury could change every month. A story or prompt doesn't need to be extremely complex, grammatically or lexically, to win.

lime sparrow Sep 7, 2019, 11:18 AM

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if native speakers are allowed to join then it’s just unfair at that point

peak holly Sep 7, 2019, 11:42 AM

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I don't think competition is essential to learning in any way

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The level can be... Levelled, by having three different leagues, one for each level

lime sparrow Sep 7, 2019, 11:53 AM

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that has the evergreen issue of “people don’t know their level very well”

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(in particular, if someone claims they’re A, the’re either A or B. if someone claims they’re C, they’re either B or C. and if they claim they’re B… anything could happen)

peak holly Sep 7, 2019, 1:49 PM

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most people overestimate themselves rather than the contrary, which would put them at a disadvantage

lime sparrow Sep 7, 2019, 1:50 PM

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there’s also a lot of people who refuse to get the next better role because they think they’re not worthy of it or sth

peak holly Sep 7, 2019, 1:51 PM

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though i feel we're making a mistake by thinking proficiency alone would be the main factor in winning. Writing is art, it's not something where one can necessarily be better than another, and one could be better than someone else who is equally or more proficient in the language

lime sparrow Sep 7, 2019, 1:55 PM

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idk a text may have as good structure as it wants, if there’s lots of grammatical mistakes or stilted phrasings I couldn’t give it a good grade

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a mediocre text that reads flawlessly would probably score better than a shoddy translation of a great text

fathom fulcrum Sep 7, 2019, 8:09 PM

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I think it could work if the text is not judged by best text but by some other factors, like by who does the best practice for their level, etc.

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But I also think it's something which is best for a user to volunteer to organize, rather than it being organized by us.

tired magnet Sep 15, 2019, 2:38 PM

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What if, for example, any user would get an unique title? Like after writing a good text, he may be named The Master of Passiv or The Konju(nktiv)gator. You can find better titles. Which will make us feeling that we master something of the german grammar. Or if our texts are not so good, something like "Run, Konjunktiv, run". I don't know, but that would be funny, to get titles after writing texts.

gritty geyser Sep 15, 2019, 3:13 PM

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y e s

cyan kite Sep 15, 2019, 5:44 PM

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suggest What if, for example, any user would get an unique title? Like after writing a good text, he may be named The Master of Passiv or The Konju(nktiv)gator. You can find better titles. Which will make us feeling that we master something of the german grammar. Or if our texts are not so good, something like "Run, Konjunktiv, run". I don't know, but that would be funny, to get titles after writing texts.
It should be a role tho.
Like Angus said master of passiv or so as an role. And whoever masters it or does it incredibly well can achieve that roll. Tbh that would motivate people to wright stuff and learn German.
All props go to @tired magnet

obtuse sedgeBOT Sep 15, 2019, 5:44 PM

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delicate hawk Sep 15, 2019, 8:11 PM

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i actually want those titles

pseudo torrent Sep 16, 2019, 12:00 PM

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I guess it'd be easier to make test on topics and after one gets them 100% right, the bot assigns them a role. But idk who could do it 👀

lapis nymph Sep 16, 2019, 4:38 PM

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@delicate hawk master of passiv would be reserved for me mmlol

delicate hawk Sep 16, 2019, 4:47 PM

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Aight. Imma show myself out

mossy gulch Sep 17, 2019, 3:13 PM

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suggest Some command in the bot that gives the article for a specific word

obtuse sedgeBOT Sep 17, 2019, 3:13 PM

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obtuse stone Sep 19, 2019, 3:42 PM

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suggest Make the bot tell people right after use to move to #botchannel for the commands that belong there (like role or dictionary stuff)

obtuse sedgeBOT Sep 19, 2019, 3:42 PM

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Thank you, your suggestion has been submitted!

peak holly Sep 19, 2019, 3:53 PM

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if accepted, imo the faq commands should not warn if only one specific faq is summoned, because that's appropriate usage in #questions to answer to a question. However, >faq all should obviously be used in #botchannel instead

fathom fulcrum Sep 19, 2019, 3:54 PM

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I assume it would be more so for like... if someone uses something other than >suggest in #suggestions , and other obvious usages.

lofty oracle Sep 19, 2019, 4:27 PM

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But there's always discussion after one suggestion

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like right now

fathom fulcrum Sep 19, 2019, 4:28 PM

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No, just bot commands. Like if someone uses >faq in suggestions. @lofty oracle

lofty oracle Sep 19, 2019, 4:28 PM

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oh I see

fathom fulcrum Sep 19, 2019, 4:28 PM

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Then the bot would say: "Hey please use #botchannel for that"

tacit stratus Sep 19, 2019, 5:09 PM

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Doing a learning channel for every languages

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and select proper "teachers"

fathom fulcrum Sep 19, 2019, 5:11 PM

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This server is focussed on German. There are other servers for other languages. If you wish to find one, feel free to ask in #other-languages and see if someone can recommend one for you. @tacit stratus

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And if you wish to make suggestions here, please use the >suggest command, as explained in the topic and pinned messages.

tacit stratus Sep 19, 2019, 5:12 PM

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ikr

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But that's my only suggestion

fathom fulcrum Sep 19, 2019, 5:12 PM

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Yes, but in future, you should use that command.

glacial stump Sep 21, 2019, 10:43 PM

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@fathom fulcrum Is it okay to post links to other language learning sites in #other-languages or is it just better to DM them?(Even if more than one wants it)

sand bramble Sep 21, 2019, 11:14 PM

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Language server links (especially from the master list are okay), if you mean sites like Duolingo or whatever, that's okay too, and anything that can be considered a resource is fine (though if the site also includes German resources, maybe you should prefer #resources so others can see it too).

chrome fulcrum Sep 23, 2019, 11:57 AM

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suggest Add a :pepeStraightFace: emoji

obtuse sedgeBOT Sep 23, 2019, 11:57 AM

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lime sparrow Sep 23, 2019, 1:23 PM

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you might wanna also give them an image if you want it implemented, ya know

peak holly Sep 23, 2019, 1:26 PM

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pls no pepe

delicate hawk Sep 23, 2019, 5:33 PM

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this one is pretty funny too.

📎 IMG_20190923_213321.jpg

lime sparrow Sep 23, 2019, 7:40 PM

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suggest fix the latex alignment bug for the cases environment, as seen here: https://discordapp.com/channels/221708975698083841/351443701844803584/625728725698478102 (compare previous issue with matrix)

obtuse sedgeBOT Sep 23, 2019, 7:41 PM

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tawdry saddleBOT Sep 23, 2019, 7:53 PM

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Isn't this a bit gay, 0x1?

View Latex Code

gritty geyser Sep 23, 2019, 7:53 PM

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@lime sparrow would this be better?

lime sparrow Sep 23, 2019, 7:54 PM

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well that would be intended behaviour so yes

obtuse sedgeBOT Sep 23, 2019, 7:57 PM

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Fixed.

lime sparrow Sep 23, 2019, 7:57 PM

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thanks

obtuse sedgeBOT Sep 26, 2019, 7:12 PM

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Thank you, your suggestion has been submitted!

atomic pilot Sep 26, 2019, 8:16 PM

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we all know deepl, and you dont need a program to use it. just use their website

obtuse sedgeBOT Sep 26, 2019, 9:49 PM

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@royal island, your suggestion has been rejected:

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Rejected. Deepl is already in our curated resource list, which can be found in the topic of #resources. We've added a small note that it now also offers a downloadable program. As a side note, please suggest changes to the resource list directly within #resources. Thanks!

honest mason Sep 27, 2019, 12:01 PM

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suggest

obtuse sedgeBOT Sep 27, 2019, 12:01 PM

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❌ Bad argument: text is a required argument that is missing.

honest mason Sep 27, 2019, 12:03 PM

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suggest a discord role that someone can add to themselves called “corrections encouraged” or “please correct me” which means if I speak in German anywhere other than the #german-only channel and I make a grammatical or spelling mistake then I am encouraging someone to correct it

obtuse sedgeBOT Sep 27, 2019, 12:03 PM

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Thank you, your suggestion has been submitted!

fathom fulcrum Sep 27, 2019, 12:08 PM

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Why "anywhere other than #german-only"? @honest mason

honest mason Sep 27, 2019, 12:09 PM

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Yeah nvm, it’s just that for me I might not understand a correction in that channel. But other more advanced people might. So nvm about that detail.

obtuse sedgeBOT Sep 27, 2019, 8:37 PM

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lime sparrow Sep 29, 2019, 9:23 PM

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I don't know of a better place to ask
what's the color code for the native role?

gritty geyser Sep 29, 2019, 9:24 PM

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#ebb427

lime sparrow Sep 29, 2019, 9:26 PM

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thanks

lucid ledge Oct 2, 2019, 4:55 PM

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suggest spooky server icon and spooky channel names, if not for the whole month then at least for the 31st

obtuse sedgeBOT Oct 2, 2019, 4:55 PM

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Thank you, your suggestion has been submitted!

peak holly Oct 2, 2019, 6:01 PM

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inb4 this suggestion is processed at this time next year

lucid ledge Oct 2, 2019, 6:03 PM

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at least it will be in time for that halloween peepocry

lofty oracle Oct 2, 2019, 6:03 PM

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We did do that last year

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No wait, I think it was just the bot's name

lucid ledge Oct 2, 2019, 6:04 PM

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and the bot pfp lmao

lofty oracle Oct 2, 2019, 6:13 PM

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oh yeah

magic jasper Oct 2, 2019, 8:40 PM

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suggest EXTREMELY URGENT when playing g-ouija can terminate the sequence with the following "shazam, wham, voila, and bam!wham!thankyoumam!" in addition to "goodbye"

obtuse sedgeBOT Oct 2, 2019, 8:40 PM

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lofty oracle Oct 2, 2019, 11:35 PM

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That's a joke, right?

plucky talon Oct 3, 2019, 12:13 PM

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suggest Make the bot (@obtuse sedge) publicly available for people to add to their own servers

obtuse sedgeBOT Oct 3, 2019, 12:13 PM

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@magic jasper, your suggestion has been rejected:

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Rejected.

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@plucky talon, your suggestion has been rejected:

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Rejected. The bot was made for this server only.

plucky talon Oct 3, 2019, 12:16 PM

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rip

obtuse sedgeBOT Oct 3, 2019, 12:18 PM

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@ember moon, your suggestion has been rejected:

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Rejected. Native Speakers have a higher ranking to give learners an easy overview of proficient people who are currently online. It's not about how much effort they invested .

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@honest mason, your suggestion has been rejected:

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Rejected. Corrections are encouraged by default. People who join a learning server should expect to get corrected if they make mistakes. You're free to change your nickname to Name | No corrections please or Name | Please correct everything to satisfy and emphasise either one of those.

fathom fulcrum Oct 3, 2019, 12:20 PM

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Btw, just a small side note on the bot thing: if you want help making your own bots (or other programming related stuff), feel free to join #science or #coding and ask people for help (see #282831147942281216 for info on how to join off-topic groups). @plucky talon

plucky talon Oct 3, 2019, 12:20 PM

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i already make bots myself 😉

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just thought making the bot public would help

obtuse sedgeBOT Oct 3, 2019, 12:21 PM

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Rejected. The bot only responds in English by default.

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Rejected. Lack of interest. Feel free to re-submit once more people are interested.

magic jasper Oct 3, 2019, 1:23 PM

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@lofty oracle no. Causs I get tired of seeing goodbye

lucid ledge Oct 3, 2019, 1:44 PM

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Halloween server change evidently under INTENSE consideration

atomic pilot Oct 3, 2019, 4:54 PM

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maybe making the bot open source instead would work

lime sparrow Oct 3, 2019, 5:50 PM

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I asked about that once because there was some feature we wanted to copy for our own bot and it was denied then

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don’t remember if a reason was given tho

magic jasper Oct 3, 2019, 9:55 PM

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What feature was that sascha?

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And is your bot also in python?

lime sparrow Oct 4, 2019, 6:42 AM

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I don't remember, and it's not mine

wet python Oct 5, 2019, 8:32 PM

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suggest a command to explain voicechat games so we dont need to repeat the rules everytime someone joins? Or even a channel :). Or a command to suggest games

obtuse sedgeBOT Oct 5, 2019, 8:32 PM

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Thank you, your suggestion has been submitted!

delicate hawk Oct 5, 2019, 8:39 PM

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Wait what voicechat games?

wet python Oct 5, 2019, 8:48 PM

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See ppractixe room or voicechat typing channel

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Practice

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@delicate hawk bro

sand bramble Oct 6, 2019, 8:51 AM

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Do actually explain what you mean, please. It's not immediately clear what you're referring to just by looking at #voice-chat, and people potentially looking at your suggestion days from now shouldn't have to scroll through old conversations to understand it.

wet python Oct 6, 2019, 12:09 PM

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So yesterday instead of "wie geht's?" or sitting in awkward silence we agreed to play a game in which a person starts with a random word, give it a [simple] explanation, then the next person-in sabbatical order - in the practice room says a word that starts with the third letter from this word, explain or example or read out the definition from a dictionary. The next person does the same and so on. (All in German) ZB: Hallo, leben, Band, niederschlagen...
A bot command would have been nice to explain stuff to those who join after the game has been already started, and to automatically mute them for 15 sec, ping them in bot-channel or somewhere else to show them how the game is being carried.

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Something like >Nowiegehtes play

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There might be other interesting games you guys have in mind. So whenever people want to exercise German in vc but have nothing to to talk about, they just type >random/list game.
Like ouija's commands but for vc

gusty belfry Oct 7, 2019, 8:39 PM

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suggest I am a software engineer. I've written a fair few discord bots, including:
https://github.com/SirLich/almanac
https://github.com/SirLich/lex.i
https://github.com/SirLich/alexandria

I was thinking that it might be nice if there was a bot that marked english in the #german-only channel with 🇩🇪 ! This is somthing moderators are doing anyway, and I feel like automating it would be nice.

It woulden't delete the text or anything. Just mark it so people are reminded to use german.

GitHub

SirLich/almanac

Discord bot for recording chat logs . Contribute to SirLich/almanac development by creating an account on GitHub.

GitHub

SirLich/lex.i

Lexicographically inspired Discord Bot . Contribute to SirLich/lex.i development by creating an account on GitHub.

GitHub

SirLich/alexandria

Converts Minecraft-Forum updates to json embeds for Discord Wehbooks. - SirLich/alexandria

obtuse sedgeBOT Oct 7, 2019, 8:39 PM

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Thank you, your suggestion has been submitted!

peak holly Oct 7, 2019, 8:43 PM

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i remember this having been suggested before back in the day. iirc, nully (the bot's owner) wanted to avoid the bot listening to all messages

gusty belfry Oct 7, 2019, 8:43 PM

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I don't mind it. I run a VPS and its very very cheap to run something like that.

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It won't cost me a dime. Its also a very safe bot, cause it doesn't need any permisions beyond the ability to add reactions.

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But I understand I'm also a nobody so :p

peak holly Oct 7, 2019, 8:44 PM

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what do you use to detect language, do you have a(n open source) ML model?

gusty belfry Oct 7, 2019, 8:45 PM

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No need. Just use some thing like Pythons https://www.nodebox.net/code/index.php/Linguistics_|_part-of-speech_tags

obtuse sedgeBOT Oct 7, 2019, 11:37 PM

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Rejected. Thank you for your interest in improving the server with your own bot. Sadly, your code doesn't meet our quality standards. We suggest you look into reading up on asynchronous development in python along with common mistakes such as function shadowing, lack of context managers, blocking functions in asynchronous code and proper code hygiene. Also, detecting English with POS tagging is particularly error prone.

fathom fulcrum Oct 8, 2019, 12:14 AM

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I just want to add a small additional note to that: thank you to all people who help by ensuring #german-only remains in German. The channel wouldn't be so awesome without you all committing to it. 💕 💕 💕

gusty belfry Oct 8, 2019, 2:47 AM

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Oof that's pretty harsh, especially since code quality doesn't really effect the bots ability to tag messages as English?

I mean... I can see that you wouldn't want a rogue bot in the server, but -like I said- the permissions you need to give the bot are next to nill.

Worst case scenario it doesn't work as well as you like and you can kick it.

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But I probably shouldn't let me feelings get hurt: you are correct, there are a lot of improvements I could make to those repos.

atomic pilot Oct 8, 2019, 6:39 AM

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oof

wild aurora Oct 8, 2019, 7:32 AM

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I also want to emphasize that, while we appreciate your offer and the effort, we simply can‘t accept your suggestion because adding one bot would mean we would potentially have to accept others as well and we don‘t want to have 50 different bots on the server
I hope you didn‘t take any personal offense by our first reply @gusty belfry

peak holly Oct 8, 2019, 9:20 AM

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Feel free to join our coding channel, we talk about python a lot

obtuse sedgeBOT Oct 11, 2019, 9:31 PM

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@wet python, your suggestion has been accepted:

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Accepted. We will provide a google doc which will be accessible through an FAQ command. Please submit a suitable description of the game and the rules to one of the moderators.

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@chrome fulcrum, your suggestion has been rejected:

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Denied. We currently don’t see a need to add this emoji. Most emojis on this server are either inside jokes or useful ones such as the ‘denglish’ emoji.

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@obtuse stone, your suggestion has been rejected:

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Denied. The community already reminds people of our #botchannel whenever the issue arises and this would add more text/clog the channel up more.

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@cyan kite, your suggestion has been rejected:

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Rejected. Adding a bunch of different roles would needlessly fill the server with roles. Besides, all CEFR roles are meant to outrank misc. roles on the server, which means new ones would not show unless you click on someone’s name.

cyan kite Oct 11, 2019, 9:36 PM

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Lel kek

lucid ledge Oct 11, 2019, 9:54 PM

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tfw spook server stuck in suggestion purgatory peepoDownCry

obtuse sedgeBOT Oct 11, 2019, 9:55 PM

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Accepted. The server is going to be halloween themed from October 28th till October 31st.

lucid ledge Oct 11, 2019, 9:56 PM

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peepo8HopHYPER

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:DDDD

sand bramble Oct 11, 2019, 10:23 PM

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It's thank you best friend Arrem for accepting my suggestion, sir.

lucid ledge Oct 11, 2019, 10:24 PM

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thank you best friend Syro for accepting my suggestion uwu

lofty oracle Oct 11, 2019, 10:26 PM

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How rare it is seeing suggestions being accepted

sand bramble Oct 12, 2019, 12:33 AM

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Excuse me, you misspelled Arrem.

lofty oracle Oct 12, 2019, 2:32 AM

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Sorry

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How Arrem it is, seeing suggestions (...)

obtuse sedgeBOT Oct 13, 2019, 2:00 PM

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@lime sparrow, your suggestion has been accepted:

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Accepted. A new command that curates these posts will be implemented soon.

lime sparrow Oct 13, 2019, 2:00 PM

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huh. past me had a smart idea eh

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I don’t even remember suggesting that

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but I agree with myself so that’s good

obtuse sedgeBOT Oct 13, 2019, 2:01 PM

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@nimble steppe, your suggestion has been rejected:

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Rejected. Implementing such a system is not feasible in the long run and would complicate things too much. The curated list is already categorised.

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@wet python, your suggestion has been rejected:

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Rejected. There’s no need for such a command and it would unnecessarily complicate the process.

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@peak holly, your suggestion has been accepted:

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Accepted. We will create a group for it soon.

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:white_check_mark: Suggestion 93

a "thing of the day" channel with maximum slowmode enabled, where anyone can post cool [...]
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@prisma dock, your suggestion has been rejected:

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Rejected. We currently don't see any demand for this.

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@mossy gulch, your suggestion has been rejected:

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Rejected. Use a dictionary like https://duden.de or https://dict.cc. The dict command of the bot will also list genders in the future.

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Rejected. We currently don't see any demand for your proposed channel. However, you're free to talk about linguistics in most of our pre-existing channels.

stiff kettle Oct 13, 2019, 2:42 PM

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No demand for a linguistics channel in a language server with multiple thousands of members?

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The Hungarian learning server is one step ahead 💁

wild aurora Oct 13, 2019, 2:44 PM

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Please keep in mind that like 90-95% of our members are not familiar with the terms of linguistics
Plus, as mentioned, you can always use one of the existing channels

stiff kettle Oct 13, 2019, 2:44 PM

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It’s a pity

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I think people should spend some time reading into elementary linguistics when learning a language- it’d make it easier

wild aurora Oct 13, 2019, 2:48 PM

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I'm not disagreeing with you on that but you can't force people to do so and currently there's just no demand for it. However, that doesn't mean it can't change in the future

stiff kettle Oct 13, 2019, 2:49 PM

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Oh yeah I’m not seriously objecting to the decision—just thinking aloud

wild aurora Oct 13, 2019, 2:49 PM

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Sure, I just wanted to explain our reasoning ^^

stiff kettle Oct 13, 2019, 2:52 PM

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A discussion about linguistics would be awkward to fit into a particular channel though, i’d assume, as: it’d be swamped in general; it wouldn’t belong where most linguistics-related things are seemingly talked about (i.e. #questions) as it wouldn’t be people asking questions; and #other-languages is more a name describing the medium rather than the content

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I suppose most things linguistics-related would come about because of something in #questions though

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If people spoke in there, would it be considered off-topic?

wild aurora Oct 13, 2019, 2:58 PM

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Well we generally try to keep discussions out of #questions, as it's very easy for questions to get overlooked otherwise
You could still use #general-2, #german-only, #beginner-german or even #general if it's not too crowded

stiff kettle Oct 13, 2019, 3:04 PM

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Oh I’d not looked in practice

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Always assumed it was for people to just try making German sentences or something

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That’s alright then

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I’ll just tell myself it’s ‘practice’ in the sense of exercising a profession GWchadThink

rough violet Oct 13, 2019, 3:06 PM

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Especially since people without any idea of linguistics don’t know the terminology it would mostly be confusing to have linguistic discussions in those channels.
People either derail purposefully (because they’re not interested and want to go for a more „fun“ topic) or by asking the same questions all over again and again because the channel doesn’t invite for contextual conversations.

fathom fulcrum Oct 13, 2019, 3:07 PM

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@stiff kettle I'd also like to add, #other-languages isn't only for speaking in other languages, but also discussing languages. It's both the medium and the topic.

stiff kettle Oct 13, 2019, 3:08 PM

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I see

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Amusing how the principle is in reality interpreted by the channel’s users

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I’ll leave here the thought that it’d perhaps be good for maintaining consistency of channel topics to specify #other-languages as being just for speaking in foreign languages, then have a linguistics channel not just for the science but also just as a place where any language can be discussed as an observer

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Of course this is a German learning server but I’m sure it would, in its use, indeed mostly see discussions of German

fathom fulcrum Oct 13, 2019, 3:11 PM

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Well, the thing is, although this is a server where you learn a language, and some people who learn German are interested in linguistics, this server is intended for the purpose of learning German and not for learning about linguistics. They are separate topics.

So we look at linguistics as an off-topic area of discussion as much as any other. And we tend only to make off-topic specific channels once the demand reaches a point where other channels can't accommodate it. Currently the topic of linguistics is not at that point, hence the rejection of the suggestion.

stiff kettle Oct 13, 2019, 3:14 PM

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That approach to off-topic matters is naturally understandable, though I’m surprised linguistics would be perceived as being off-topic as much as any other area of discussion when it would probably mostly relate to questions of German grammar, phonology and sociophonetics

rough violet Oct 13, 2019, 3:14 PM

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There’s just no demand for people on the server to discuss sciences.

stiff kettle Oct 13, 2019, 3:14 PM

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I guess linguistics things could go in #science ?

rough violet Oct 13, 2019, 3:15 PM

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Yeah

stiff kettle Oct 13, 2019, 3:16 PM

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Haha you’re not the pornlogbro i’d been thinking you were

rough violet Oct 13, 2019, 3:17 PM

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you mean Hecke? :D

stiff kettle Oct 13, 2019, 3:17 PM

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Yeah

rough violet Oct 13, 2019, 3:17 PM

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We are many!

stiff kettle Oct 13, 2019, 3:17 PM

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😂

fathom fulcrum Oct 13, 2019, 3:22 PM

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Yes, the study of German linguistics can be contextually considered on-topic, for example, if you wish to ask questions about linguistics related to learning German in #questions or other similar situations, that's acceptable. However, the actual discipline of linguistics and the practical task of learning to use the German language are separate topics.

lime sparrow Oct 13, 2019, 4:01 PM

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#science for linguistics would be a bit wack tbh, never seen that happen. I see most ling discussion in #questions and #dialects

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#other-languages is probably the most impossible channel to actually hold a convo in except for #archived-media

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I honestly don’t like its status as a place in which most of the happenings are just convos in other languages

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it makes the convos about other languages hard because it’s really just an unmoderated #general

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so I would personally see it sensible if it was split up into two channels, one as a #general-but-not-german-or-english and one for ling and philology discussions

stiff kettle Oct 13, 2019, 4:04 PM

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yeh

lime sparrow Oct 13, 2019, 4:04 PM

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I have many times tried to start a discussion there which was promptly drowned out by a korean/spanish/polish/whatever chat

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it’s the same issue as with #dialects: before the channel was created, there was next to no discussions about dialects, because there was no place for it. now, I’ll admit it’s still not the most active channel, but surely the experiment has paid off anyway

stiff kettle Oct 13, 2019, 4:06 PM

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that was my reasoning

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if you make a channel for anything it'll probably get people talking about the topic

lime sparrow Oct 13, 2019, 4:06 PM

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so I think we should be providing those interested in linguistics (and those who don’t even know it yet because they haven’t had a chance to discover it) a place to go, and if only as an experiment

peak holly Oct 13, 2019, 4:08 PM

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a discussion there which was promptly drowned out by a korean/spanish/polish/whatever chat
not swedish? :P

lime sparrow Oct 13, 2019, 4:08 PM

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goes under “whatever”

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depends on time of year

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these days, probably yea

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but I haven’t tried in a long time and back then it was mostly korean

peak holly Oct 13, 2019, 4:08 PM

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every time i glance there it's swedish

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anyway i agree that a channel specifically for discussing general linguistic stuff would be nice

lime sparrow Oct 13, 2019, 4:11 PM

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btw where was all the food discussions before #food?

peak holly Oct 13, 2019, 4:11 PM

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nowhere 👀

lime sparrow Oct 13, 2019, 4:11 PM

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that’s how I remember it too :P

peak holly Oct 13, 2019, 4:12 PM

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it's one of the things that are hardly ever discussed unless there's a place to do it

fathom fulcrum Oct 13, 2019, 4:12 PM

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Food was a topic daily, throughout the entire day, in #general.

obtuse sedgeBOT Oct 13, 2019, 5:33 PM

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@summer quest, your suggestion has been rejected:

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Rejected. We came to the conclusion that this would be too complicated and chaotic to do in one channel, seeing as there are usually
entire servers dedicated to role play like this. In addition to this, as a non-regular member of the server, it would be difficult
to participate, since story lines may have already progressed a lot and the member would be out of the loop.
However, feel free to initiate a practical role play (like practicing ordering at a restaurant) in #beginner-german when you feel like it.

stiff kettle Oct 13, 2019, 5:37 PM

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why can't we stream into any channels

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like even gaming

obtuse sedgeBOT Oct 13, 2019, 6:15 PM

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@hasty lantern, your suggestion has been rejected:

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Rejected. Contests like these seem pretty competitive, which is not the goal of learning.You also don't gain much apart from practice, which you can also get by joining the Writing group and doing the given prompts.
Besides, as already mentioned in an earlier suggestion, CEFR roles are meant to outrank misc. roles, you would only see the role if you clicked on someone's name, which means almost nobody would notice it anyway.
In case you still want to host your own unofficial competition, feel free to do so.

nimble steppe Oct 13, 2019, 8:50 PM

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Something I suggested back in February got rejected, bugs? mmlol

gusty belfry Oct 17, 2019, 2:14 AM

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suggest All channels should be placed into channel categories. This isn't super problematic, but I feel like it would be a really easy to implement quality of life change. I'm talking about the channels at the top which aren't in a category. This means they can't be collapsed. I see no reason that info, rules, announcements, and introductions can't be placed into a meta category.

obtuse sedgeBOT Oct 17, 2019, 2:14 AM

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Thank you, your suggestion has been submitted!

lime sparrow Oct 18, 2019, 5:52 PM

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actually, because it isn’t really the same suggestion as before and I don’t think that particular thing had been adressed I’m gonna make this

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suggest Separate #other-languages into two channels, one for chatting in other languages and one for talking about other languages. Not only is it nearly impossible to start a discussion about other languages there without it getting drowned out, people often make (ill-informed) remarks about it not being appropriate there, so many do already treat it as if it was only about the former anyway. I keep the channel unmuted for the possibility of a convo about languages showing up but it’s pretty much impossible to actually participate because of how fast the channel moves

obtuse sedgeBOT Oct 18, 2019, 5:54 PM

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Thank you, your suggestion has been submitted!

peak holly Oct 18, 2019, 8:31 PM

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i keep it muted because of the low chances for interesting conversations :P

gritty geyser Oct 19, 2019, 9:02 PM

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suggest Create a voice channel for me and me only so i can talk to myself and see the green circle flashing when i speak.

obtuse sedgeBOT Oct 19, 2019, 9:02 PM

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@gritty geyser, your suggestion has been rejected:

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Rejected. Please don't abuse this command for meme suggestions, thank you.

gritty geyser Oct 19, 2019, 9:05 PM

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I guess it was a bit selfish.

lime sparrow Oct 19, 2019, 9:25 PM

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Tomorrow are elections in switzerland. is there a channel in which it would be appropriate to discuss/bring up the results, provided any of them are interesting?

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(and is it #archived-culture-study-visa?)

sand bramble Oct 19, 2019, 9:27 PM

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Provided that people are actually interested, you're free to use #german-only?

lime sparrow Oct 19, 2019, 9:45 PM

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okay

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just don’t wanna step on people’s toes with politics but who knows, there may be sth interesting happening

lime sparrow Oct 20, 2019, 6:40 PM

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you might wanna add how to join the group in the announcement

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@gritty geyser

gritty geyser Oct 20, 2019, 6:42 PM

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fixed, thank you

subtle cape Oct 23, 2019, 4:10 AM

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suggest put the first four channels in a category so users can decide to hide them like the others (new messages still show up anyway)

obtuse sedgeBOT Oct 23, 2019, 4:10 AM

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subtle cape Oct 23, 2019, 5:30 AM

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crap just noticed it was already submitted

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big facepalm moment

wet python Oct 23, 2019, 6:29 AM

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suggest es wäre auch schön, wenn die Farbe der B-Niveau-Rolle einen höheren Kontrast zum Dark-Theme-gegenüber hätte

obtuse sedgeBOT Oct 23, 2019, 6:29 AM

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Thank you, your suggestion has been submitted!

wet python Oct 23, 2019, 6:30 AM

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zum Dark-theme-Hintergrund -_-

drowsy rune Oct 23, 2019, 7:04 AM

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*zum einzigen akzeptablen hintergrund Sinisterthink 😛

wet python Oct 23, 2019, 7:26 AM

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Die traurige Wahrheit ist, wir-Schirmeglotzer- haben unsere Netzhaut mit blauer Strahlung ständig bombardiert, deswegen finden wir dunkleren Hintergund immer angenehmer ^^

wary vine Oct 23, 2019, 3:39 PM

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suggest It would be nice to have in-context examples or explanations (or both!) of things posted in #thing-of-the-day

obtuse sedgeBOT Oct 23, 2019, 3:39 PM

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Thank you, your suggestion has been submitted!

fathom fulcrum Oct 23, 2019, 3:52 PM

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@wary vine Can you be more specific about what exactly you want to see?

wary vine Oct 23, 2019, 3:54 PM

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expressions can be kind of like... vague compared to how they're said yknow? context and what the expressions actually mean could be really helpful - like I asked my friend what "weder Hand noch Fuß haben" means as an expression and without doing so I'd have no idea even though I know what it translates to

fathom fulcrum Oct 23, 2019, 3:56 PM

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Okay, I understand. But it's worth nothing that the moderation team can't force people to write their posts a certain way. It would still be up to individual users to include that information themselves.

wary vine Oct 23, 2019, 3:56 PM

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the message Traxylvania 🏰🦇 just posted is really good with context and examples in german and english, I think that type of stuff is significantly more helpful than just posting words - though of course I think it's helpful no matter what

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oh yeah of course

fathom fulcrum Oct 23, 2019, 3:57 PM

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You're also welcome to ping the person who posted the thing and ask them for more info.

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(Obviously not in that channel though)

peak holly Oct 23, 2019, 5:02 PM

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the point of thing of the day is that when someone learns something cool, they can share it quickly for others to learn it. You can do your own research or ask in #questions , but if the one posting has to explain and write examples they might end up not posting at all

lofty oracle Oct 23, 2019, 5:04 PM

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Goodo pointo

peak holly Oct 23, 2019, 5:04 PM

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besides, expressions in dictionary form like the one you mentioned are conjugated when used in the actual world, such as "ich habe weder Hand noch Fuß", which is why natives might not have a clue if you repeat them like that. But that dictionary form is perfect to look them up in dictionaries (as the name suggests). Sites like dict.cc have a lot of expressions so that should be your first stop to learn what they mean

lime sparrow Oct 23, 2019, 6:07 PM

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well I’m planning on posting etymologies and dialect words occasionally
etymologies will be in German because my source is in German (and they’re mostly interesting to natives and advanced learners anyway); dialect words I’ll probably write stuff up myself in English

obtuse sedgeBOT Oct 23, 2019, 6:25 PM

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@wary vine, your suggestion has been rejected:

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Rejected. #thing-of-the-day serves as a place for others to quickly share something they've learned about the German language. You're free to do your own research about a submitted topic in #thing-of-the-day in case you got curious of simply ask the submitter about a more in-depth explanation in one of our other text channels.

umbral blaze Oct 24, 2019, 6:15 PM

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suggest Making bans/kicks more transparent. The mod team can be quite secretive about whether they actually banned a user or why. I understand that most users banned are probably ppl who just joined but for everyone else it would be nice to have some sort of log (maybe accessible by command) to see who got banned and for what reason.

obtuse sedgeBOT Oct 24, 2019, 6:15 PM

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Thank you, your suggestion has been submitted!

umbral blaze Oct 24, 2019, 6:15 PM

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Apologies if this is already a thing and I just don't know about it

lime sparrow Oct 24, 2019, 6:32 PM

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I requested to be able to see audit logs a long time ago for the same reason and that was denied

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I think that’s all that was ever discussed; I‘m always in favour of more transparency

umbral blaze Oct 24, 2019, 7:48 PM

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Hmh okay :/

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I mean at least having some way of knowing that a user has been banned without pestering the mods would be nice

peak holly Oct 24, 2019, 8:01 PM

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i guess if not a complete log, an >hasbeenbanned command to check for individual users could be useful

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with a better name ofc

tacit relic Oct 24, 2019, 8:04 PM

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Something like this?

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umbral blaze Oct 24, 2019, 9:56 PM

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Yeah I just don't quite understand why bans should happen in the dark.

fathom fulcrum Oct 25, 2019, 2:06 AM

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@umbral blaze Can you elaborate on The mod team can be quite secretive about whether they actually banned a user or why.?

lime sparrow Oct 25, 2019, 9:29 AM

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We have no way of finding out if a user has been banned beyond checking whether they're still on the server or asking, and there is no disclosure about the why. e.g. for dex I quote syro:

we keep track of every offence and warning but I don't think we will discuss this publicy atm

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It would be nice if you could at least issue a short statement if a long-time user gets banned

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you don't have to list every offence etc that would be unreasonable

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but e.g. even just a "we have repeatedly gotten reports about X's behaviour and warned them multiple times" or "Y has been harassing people in private messages" would already do in my eyes (as hypotheticals ofc)

fathom fulcrum Oct 25, 2019, 10:08 AM

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I'm just asking specifically about what is "secretive" about the behaviour of current moderators. If you want to ask for information to be publicly posted or available through a bot command, instead of by asking a moderator, that is not the same as saying it is secretive. So I'd just like a clarification on that point, so we can address that part of the request as well as the other part about how information is accessed.

peak holly Oct 25, 2019, 10:12 AM

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i think he's referring to the apparent unwillingness of the mods to discuss this stuff publicly (as per the quoted part in sascha's message above)

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i.e. the mods seem to avoid disclosure on these actions whenever possible

fathom fulcrum Oct 25, 2019, 10:14 AM

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I see. So what you mean is that he likely meant to say that he thinks there is too much discretion, rather than actual secretiveness? @peak holly

peak holly Oct 25, 2019, 10:16 AM

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that's my understanding of it

fathom fulcrum Oct 25, 2019, 10:17 AM

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Okay, if that's the case, that clears up my confusion on the statement. Thanks. 💕

obtuse sedgeBOT Oct 25, 2019, 3:35 PM

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@umbral blaze, your suggestion has been rejected:

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Rejected. After discussing the matter, we came to the conclusion that we can't implement this in a way that we would find acceptable. From our point of view, public discussions of bans end badly in most cases, and we've even had to ban users before, because they kept complaining about a ban. That is a situation that we want to avoid at all costs.

Responding to the accusations of us being secretive about the bans, we stress again that we only wish to avoid public discussions. Messaging any moderator to ask about a ban has always been and remains to be possible. Due to the fact that disclosing all information might infringe on the privacy of the banned user, we reserve the right to decide how much information we want to disclose, which is why we are against any automated system for this.

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We believe that the mod team acts fairly in its bans, and especially when it comes to banning regulars, it is not taken easily, but instead requires the approval of the entire team. Furthermore, every regular user is required to have been warned that their next offense will lead to a ban before they are ultimately banned. This was the case for dex too and he was well aware of it. Our database certainly contained more than "one official warning" that he claimed to have had, and softer punishments (including a temporary overmeme) have already been applied in the past.

Though we don't see it as particularly useful, we will be implementing a basic >isbanned command with a simple yes or no answer. Nevertheless, we respect your right to at least know if someone has been banned and what our reasons might be and for that we allow you to message any one of us privately. To avoid drama and arguments, we want to keep discussion about bans off the server. Anyone who feels that their ban was unjust is welcome to rejoin with an alt account and discuss it with the moderators, but we do not think that the community should be doing it for them.

lime sparrow Oct 25, 2019, 3:43 PM

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with all due respect I find it hard to believe that a short statement about that&why a prominent member has been banned would lead to more drama than trying to effectively cover it up by not saying anything and hoping we don't notice they're suddenly gone

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because that's what it looks like

umbral blaze Oct 25, 2019, 3:44 PM

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Dito

lime sparrow Oct 25, 2019, 3:44 PM

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regardless of intentions

fathom fulcrum Oct 25, 2019, 3:44 PM

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No one has tried to cover anything up. Why do you feel that has happened?

lime sparrow Oct 25, 2019, 3:46 PM

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I'm just saying that's what it looks like when bans just kinda happen and someone has to go "wait where's X" first

sand bramble Oct 25, 2019, 3:47 PM

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trying to effectively cover it up by not saying anything and hoping we don't notice they're suddenly gone
Nobody has ever tried to cover up a ban here. We've never banned any active member of the community where the community didn't find out about the ban on the very same day. We're happy to discuss things with you if you ask for them, but don't feel that it is our responsibility to disclose that, nor that we have a suitable place to do so. It's not an announcement that's of interest to the entire server, it's not something that warrants its own channel and it's not something that could be posted in general (even if we wanted to do so) because it would just get buried within 10 minutes and nobody would see it.
If you believe that the mod team would at any point "hope you don't notice a member is gone", then it's a fundamental issue of your distrust in the mod team, about which we can't do anything apart from telling you that that was never the case.

fathom fulcrum Oct 25, 2019, 3:47 PM

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You're saying that unless we make public announcements for bans, you will consider it "covering it up"?

umbral blaze Oct 25, 2019, 3:47 PM

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I don't think the community will have an easier time accepting mod decisions if they aren't communicated clearly. I would accept mods disallowing ban discussions but why a ban reason cannot be more clearly stated puzzles me.

sand bramble Oct 25, 2019, 3:48 PM

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It can't be more clearly stated publicly, because we don't want public discussions about it. Message any one of us privately, and you'll get the reason. It's more work for us than it is for you.

lime sparrow Oct 25, 2019, 3:48 PM

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shit my phone battery is running out I'll be back in 15 entong

umbral blaze Oct 25, 2019, 3:50 PM

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I just don't understand why it wouldn't be possible to be more open about ban reason while also disallowing discussions about bans. Currently it's the opposite with members openly speculating about ban reasons but little communication from the mods.

lime sparrow Oct 25, 2019, 3:50 PM

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but to try and get this said before it dies: I honestly feel like I never know what the administration here is doing. You're super intransparent about everything. Not just with bans but also things like channel creations etc

umbral blaze Oct 25, 2019, 3:50 PM

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With all due love, I feel like you're going for the opposite of what seems sensible.

fathom fulcrum Oct 25, 2019, 3:53 PM

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Can you describe specifically in what way we can be "more open"?

umbral blaze Oct 25, 2019, 3:53 PM

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I understand all the reasons you have about not wanting additional channels, but posting it botchannel would really help at least me, even if it gets buried since you can search for it.

fathom fulcrum Oct 25, 2019, 3:53 PM

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Currently we have the option: ask a moderator and they will tell you.

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And the explanations are usually pretty detailed, except, as mentioned, sensitive or private info.

sand bramble Oct 25, 2019, 3:54 PM

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Well for one, a ban reason for someone who posted a porn site or a NSFW image will include a screenshot of what they did for the case that they complain, and that's not something we want everyone to see.
I can understand that you disagree with the decision here, but at least at the time being, we're going to have to stick with what we've decided. We can provide you with all the information we feel is appropriate in a timely manner and all that you have to do is ask for it. It might not be the ideal solution, but that's all we can offer.

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Additionally, Sascha's channel comment really seems out of the blue for me, given that we do have a command for that and we announce the creation of every new group.

umbral blaze Oct 25, 2019, 3:55 PM

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Why would it have to include the image? At least I personally would be fine with general statements such as Repeated Rule 4 violation

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I don't agree with sascha's comment just for the record

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Also with all the respect the mod team rightly deserves, I find it extremely disingenuous to say that "Nobody has ever tried to cover up a ban". A member of your mod team has indeed banned a regular for no discernable reason and tried to make sure the ban itself would not be discussed. While I agree with the mod team's handling of that situation I really disagree with the statement.

sand bramble Oct 25, 2019, 3:58 PM

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Because our ban reasons are used for our internal purposes. When someone asks to be unbanned and their ban reason just says "racist comments", I can't tell them what exactly they have done, and in the case that there are also no logs present because the ban was a while ago, we have no choice but to unban such users, as we have done before. We thus require all our ban reasons to be very clear about what exactly happened.
The ban procedure is currently

ban a user, their ban gets assigned an ID
use the ID to set a reason with the command
To display this information publicly, we'd also need a third command that displayed a community-friendly reason, and that's more work for us than just having you ask about a ban. Active community members only get banned in extreme situations, and it's never been the case that people haven't noticed.

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For the incident you mentioned, I'll give you that, but I'll also say that I do not wish to discuss it publicly further. I'll just remind you that the mod team sorted out the issue internally with the member involved, without the need for community intervention. People do make mistakes, but that's why we have an entire team to inspect each others' decisions. The banned member is always welcome to figuratively raise hell and the community is welcome to support them, if you feel that our actions are out of line. Again, that's all I'll say about that.

lime sparrow Oct 25, 2019, 4:09 PM

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Okay, sorry for my absence just now; lemme just read up on what has been said in the meantime

umbral blaze Oct 25, 2019, 4:10 PM

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I understand that having two ban reasons in your system is additional work. I just think that having that information out there and easy to access would really help convey more openness. Regardless of intention, this way of banning public discussion and only giving information on request can easily seem as an attempt to avoid criticism.

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I understand the intention of wanting to avoid "drama" but I think this handling of bans can often just the enflame such drama even more.

lime sparrow Oct 25, 2019, 4:12 PM

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regarding the whole transparency thing (in general) that I mentioned before, I’m gonna retract that comment for the time being, so to speak. I do have some qualms but what I wrote was too emotionally driven and not objective. I’ll write you a pm or sth if I manage to actually bring on paper what I meant

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however I just wanna say regarding the location where an announcement might happen: how about here?

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I agree that #announcements and #general are both non-options, as is a new channel

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but this is the de-facto meta channel

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I think I once proposed changing the channel name from #suggestions to #meta anyway, and if not uh, well, here’s an idea :P

umbral blaze Oct 25, 2019, 4:15 PM

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I'm personally for #botchannel but in any case it's not impossible to find some way of giving us the info without too much clutter.

lime sparrow Oct 25, 2019, 4:16 PM

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also re:

announce the creation of every new group.
I have sth to say here

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suggest update #282831147942281216 with all current publically accessible groups

obtuse sedgeBOT Oct 25, 2019, 4:16 PM

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Thank you, your suggestion has been submitted!

sand bramble Oct 25, 2019, 4:20 PM

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#282831147942281216 being outdated is my fault. It's due to be completely rewritten, but it's blocked by an ongoing rewrite of the moderation guidelines, which I am responsible for and which are mostly fleshed out but haven't been formalized yet. I'm unsure if we'll actually include a list of groups at all in the new version, but we will be pointing to the command that lists them. Science and gaming are there because they're older than groups themselves.

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For the rest of what was said, I myself won't be commenting on anything today as I have work to finish up, but I do plan to address some of what was said.

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I think I once proposed changing the channel name from #suggestions to #meta anyway, and if not uh, well, here’s an idea :P
The stance on that is #suggestions should be understood as #meta by experienced users, but if we named it that, everyone would throw suggestions into random channels more than they already do with a channel literally called #suggestions.

lime sparrow Oct 25, 2019, 4:23 PM

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that’s fair enough

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and I feel you with rewrites

lofty oracle Oct 25, 2019, 4:32 PM

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#suggestions-and-meta then?

sand bramble Oct 25, 2019, 4:40 PM

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#metaggestions

fathom fulcrum Oct 25, 2019, 4:41 PM

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@sand bramble Please don't use this channel to meme. This is your final warning.

nocturne reef Oct 28, 2019, 9:50 PM

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suggest remove the emojis in channel names. it hurts my eyes and makes this server look like a joke 🙈

obtuse sedgeBOT Oct 28, 2019, 9:50 PM

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Thank you, your suggestion has been submitted!

rough violet Oct 28, 2019, 11:00 PM

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https://tenor.com/view/annoyed-gif-10492825

Tenor

lucid ledge Oct 29, 2019, 12:28 AM

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suggest can we give a shoutout or at least some recognition to the absolutely wonderful people who consistently check German writing day in day out

obtuse sedgeBOT Oct 29, 2019, 12:28 AM

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Thank you, your suggestion has been submitted!

delicate hawk Oct 29, 2019, 7:55 AM

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Sigmund Freud ❤

umbral blaze Oct 29, 2019, 8:52 AM

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Seriously though, I am astonished how much work some of these people do for learners.

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Dösdaddel literally typed out something someone had written and then corrected it wzf

lucid ledge Oct 29, 2019, 8:55 AM

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^

lime sparrow Oct 29, 2019, 9:43 AM

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I find the emoji make all the channels appear unread

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maybe that’s just me

peak holly Oct 29, 2019, 9:54 AM

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what 👀

lime sparrow Oct 29, 2019, 9:58 AM

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like it just looks unread because it has the same psychological effect on me as the dot on the left

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I guess

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(anyway I hate it and I’m glad it’s only for a few days)

tardy mirage Oct 29, 2019, 2:00 PM

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Ich für meinen Teil finde die Emojis niedlich und süß mmlol

umbral blaze Oct 29, 2019, 4:27 PM

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Starbreeze ist schlimmer als Hortler

umbral warren Oct 31, 2019, 8:59 AM

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I suggest keeping the emojis in the channels name forever

mystic jungle Oct 31, 2019, 2:15 PM

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suggest you should make part 2 in these FAQ commands

obtuse sedgeBOT Oct 31, 2019, 2:15 PM

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Thank you, your suggestion has been submitted!

fathom fulcrum Oct 31, 2019, 2:18 PM

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@mystic jungle Which?

gritty geyser Oct 31, 2019, 2:28 PM

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@unkempt socket

sand bramble Oct 31, 2019, 4:05 PM

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Honestly at this point either make it or update the original saying that it'll maybe just maybe have a 2% chance of being considered to maybe be made one day. mmlol

peak holly Oct 31, 2019, 4:31 PM

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if it works even just remotely like cs, i'm afraid you mods will have to edit it yourselves 👀 lillie_is_a_pink_armadillo_man

unkempt socket Oct 31, 2019, 9:15 PM

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Yeah, I'll temporarily edit the original saying

sand bramble Oct 31, 2019, 9:45 PM

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Temporarily for a period between 3 and 5 years.

mystic jungle Nov 1, 2019, 9:07 AM

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@fathom fulcrum every

obtuse sedgeBOT Nov 1, 2019, 9:41 AM

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@nocturne reef, your suggestion has been accepted:

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Accepted. All channel names have been restored as Halloween has ended.

fathom fulcrum Nov 1, 2019, 10:36 AM

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@mystic jungle Every single faq should have 2 parts? Why?

mystic jungle Nov 1, 2019, 12:27 PM

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@fathom fulcrum i think that if you make part 2 then there will be more facts , people will learn more.

peak holly Nov 1, 2019, 12:27 PM

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👀

gritty geyser Nov 1, 2019, 12:28 PM

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Are you referring to any FAQ entry in particular?

mystic jungle Nov 1, 2019, 12:28 PM

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;-;

fathom fulcrum Nov 1, 2019, 12:35 PM

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Wouldn't it make more sense to add more faqs of different topics before worrying about expanding on the existing ones?

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We're not asking this to criticize your idea btw. We just can't actually fulfil your suggestion if we don't know what you're asking for.

wild aurora Nov 1, 2019, 12:38 PM

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I think it‘s also worth noting that the faqs are a community driven project, you are free to write and submit your own entry at any point

umbral blaze Nov 1, 2019, 4:41 PM

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But that would mean actually doing work YeePensive

lime sparrow Nov 2, 2019, 10:01 AM

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syro, I personally don’t think someone who self-identifies their level as A should be writing FAQ entries

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(plus the faq curators group isn’t even publically accessible)

gritty geyser Nov 2, 2019, 10:02 AM

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There are secret groups? 😮 Ony this one curator group?

umbral blaze Nov 2, 2019, 10:12 AM

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I mean i am in 3 hidden groups....

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Tbh im not sure what they are but they gotta mean something

wild aurora Nov 2, 2019, 11:57 AM

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Well it was more like a general you 😅

gritty geyser Nov 2, 2019, 6:03 PM

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suggest pronunciation sessions

obtuse sedgeBOT Nov 2, 2019, 6:03 PM

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Thank you, your suggestion has been submitted!

rough violet Nov 2, 2019, 6:03 PM

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lol, just hold them if you want them to happen

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you can hold sessions whenever you want to :>

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Sorry, I didn't mean to sound rude

gritty geyser Nov 2, 2019, 6:04 PM

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I dont want to do it alone 😂

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Maybe I try to do one yes I understand what you mean

rough violet Nov 2, 2019, 6:05 PM

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That's good! Every session more on the server is a win :>

gritty geyser Nov 2, 2019, 6:06 PM

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😄

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your suggestion doesnt look like something that we as moderator team can fix. These sessions are always a community effort, which means that anyone who wants to host them, can simply do so (as outlined above already)

gritty geyser Nov 2, 2019, 6:26 PM

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I understand, as all that litters is old already explained it well. Thanks! I just did not knew that everyone is allowed to start a session. So you can delete/ignore my suggestion

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no worries. I'd like to stress that we always appreciate them because it shows the community is interested in helping out :)

obtuse sedgeBOT Nov 2, 2019, 6:30 PM

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@gritty geyser, your suggestion has been rejected:

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Rejected. Everyone is free to host sessions without having to ask moderators in advance. Thank you for your interest in helping out.

umbral blaze Nov 3, 2019, 8:43 AM

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Not using the suggest command because it's really just a minor thing but I was wondering whether it would be possible to implement double prompts in ouija. What I mean is prompts that have two gaps in them with people filling in one at a time.

left horizon Nov 20, 2019, 8:57 PM

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suggest Maybe we should have a role for people who are worse than beginners.

obtuse sedgeBOT Nov 20, 2019, 8:57 PM

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Thank you, your suggestion has been submitted!

left horizon Nov 20, 2019, 8:57 PM

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Is that even a thing

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Yeah, like for people who wouldn't really say "I speak German"

peak holly Nov 20, 2019, 9:08 PM

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that's generally understood as A0, which is A

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and that's not worse than beginners, it's literally beginners

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whether one says they speak german or not isn't really dependent on the level. Some say it before they can even hold a conversation, others wait until they're confidently B1 or more

fathom fulcrum Nov 21, 2019, 12:11 AM

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In this server, that is included in Level A role, as a total beginner and a Level A person are studying roughly the same content in general. @left horizon

craggy birch Nov 21, 2019, 12:40 AM

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@sand bramble those who don’t do AoC get muted forever

lucid ledge Nov 21, 2019, 12:46 AM

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bik like

left horizon Nov 21, 2019, 10:02 AM

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@fathom fulcrum I understand, thank you for taking your time and respond

exotic lance Nov 24, 2019, 5:20 AM

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have a role for your native language?

worthy dawn Nov 24, 2019, 5:22 AM

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...ehhhh

fathom fulcrum Nov 24, 2019, 5:26 AM

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@exotic lance Make sure you use the >suggest command to submit suggestions.

However, we won't make roles for native languages other than German itself.

exotic lance Nov 24, 2019, 5:27 AM

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oh okay gotcha on both

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i will take the L thne

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then

weak tapir Nov 24, 2019, 8:45 PM

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Ein Poesie/Prosa/Aufsätze Channel, wo wir unsere Texte veröffentlichen können. Der Unterschied zum "writing". Es geht nicht um die Fehler, sondern nur um die Verbreitung von Geschichten/Werke. Diese Idee ist nur dafür gedacht für Leute, die schon ein hohes Niveau in Deutsch haben, die jedoch an ihren Stil arbeiten möchten.

tacit relic Nov 24, 2019, 9:54 PM

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>suggest 🙂

wet python Nov 25, 2019, 3:55 PM

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wer seinen Stil verfeinern will, der sollte vorzüglich keine Texte lesen, die von Deutschlernenden geschrieben sind

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auch wenn die auf C-Niveau liegen

still grove Nov 25, 2019, 7:17 PM

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Ich sehe das ganz anders

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Deshalb kann ich dir nicht zustimmen

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Man kann davon lernen, was man nicht machen sollte. Und das hilft auch.

spiral knoll Nov 26, 2019, 2:58 AM

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Hello!! once again my idea is to create 3 rooms for 2 persons only/ They only speak English in Casual room and when I go to Nur Deutsch there is always somebody who comes in and spoils the conversation/ People don't progress this way in German/ and this server is for everybody not only for the most talkative that doesn't allow you to put in a word/I've talked to Basementality about this issue, now please consider my request/thanks in advance

fathom fulcrum Nov 26, 2019, 4:56 AM

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Note: Only suggestions that were submitted with >suggest are considered for discussion

obtuse sedgeBOT Nov 26, 2019, 5:01 AM

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@left horizon, your suggestion has been rejected:

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Rejected. As mentioned previously, we include "below A" in the Level A tag on this server.

spiral knoll Nov 26, 2019, 5:02 AM

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Ich bin circa B2 Niveau

honest oxide Nov 26, 2019, 12:25 PM

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suggest I found a good reading materials online https://kinder.wdr.de/tv/neuneinhalb/mehrwissen/lexikon/d/index.html I think it's certainly suitable for advanced beginners (A2-B1)

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Hier findet ihr Beiträge mit dem Anfangsbuchstaben D.

obtuse sedgeBOT Nov 26, 2019, 12:25 PM

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Thank you, your suggestion has been submitted!

gritty geyser Nov 26, 2019, 12:29 PM

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Is this for our resource list? >suggest is generally meant to be used for proposals pertaining the actual server.

honest oxide Nov 26, 2019, 12:46 PM

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Sorry. I'll suggest it over there

lucid ledge Nov 28, 2019, 10:55 AM

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did the totd channel get deleted or am I just stupid?

peak holly Nov 28, 2019, 11:03 AM

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no you're right :0

lucid ledge Nov 28, 2019, 11:08 AM

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ironic, I think it got removed due to inactivity but I just wanted to post in there loleyes

peak holly Nov 28, 2019, 11:09 AM

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no, pferd posted there on the regular

still grove Nov 28, 2019, 11:13 AM

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Whenever I manually view all channels to mark them as read I used to read totd and make stupid sentences with the stuff Pferd and everyone else posts. Please bring it back

ashen zenith Nov 28, 2019, 12:33 PM

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but i read every post

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why was it delete

sand bramble Nov 28, 2019, 12:46 PM

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We're strictly against deleting channels with learning content, without informing members beforehand and giving them a chance to save anything they might want to keep, which is also the case here. #thing-of-the-day still exists, but was hidden in an experiment to see if people actually cared enough to notice.
In the last month, the only user who has posted in the channel was Pferd, who made 10 posts. So for something that one user does once every 3 days on average, a whole channel is an overkill. If you think there will be an increase of activity in the channel, we can reopen it again, but at this rate, we don't see that happening.

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Speaking personally and not in the name of the whole team now, I can say that we've often been asked to make channels like this, be it thing of the day, word/phrase sharing channels, German in the wild, or a channel for sharing what everyone learned that day are all ideas I can think of now that we've heard before.
Now, when a channel generic enough for all of those to be okay in it was created, we've had 5 unique users post in it, and after the first week, it was exclusively Pferd posting in an effort to keep it alive. And a channel that's being used as little as totd is/was, doesn't warrant its own existence in my opinion. If you do actually have ideas on what can be done to raise activity in it, I'd love to hear them, but community asking for things to be done and immediately giving up on them as soon as it's apparent that it would be a community-driven project and not something that the mods would serve/handle is a problem that we've seen many times before. Everyone's on board and everyone loves ideas until it's time to really put in some effort.
Which, for the sake of it being stated, is also my reasoning for hiding the channel in the first place. Asking people if they like the channel or find it useful is bound to give you a large majority of yes responses. I wanted a totd-free period to see if people can live without it and to motivate them to potentially help us think about an alternative approach if they care about the channel being there.

lucid ledge Nov 28, 2019, 1:19 PM

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for a channel like this, is active participation (contributing yourself) a requirement for judging how useful the channel was for individuals

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if the problem is reliability (and it actually being thing of the day) I wouldn't - despite my horrendous track record with reliability- be opposed to posting something since I work on my wortschatz everyday from reading anyway.

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however if the problem is more that it's difficult to gauge how many people are using the channel than how and by who it's maintained, it's probably better to reestablish what success would look like for the channel and whether everybody is willing to meet THOSE standards

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I agree with you when you say that it's very easy for somebody to click 'yes' or 'no' when asked on their interest, however the perception of the responsibility that comes with that could be different for each individual, and the results you (general) wish see may not necessarily be indicative to what the person had in mind originally.

umbral blaze Nov 28, 2019, 1:28 PM

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To me it also just seemed like something which wasnt meant to be participated in. I kinda assumed that this was mainly pferd's channel to show us cool expressions.

peak holly Nov 28, 2019, 1:29 PM

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I think the main problem is that such a channel should be open to all from the the start. Hiding a channel behind an opt-in reduces its visibility drastically, especially since there's no real way of advertising those channels in a way that the average user would consistently see. People don't even read channel descriptions or check pinned posts for stuff they're actively looking for. Relying on them to prompt the bot for available groups is certainly not ideal

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if you want to make real tests, put it out in the open for everybody and then see if people participate. You can't (passively) restrict a channel to about ten people and expect it to take off

lucid ledge Nov 28, 2019, 1:30 PM

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these few people also happen to be the most active in the server loleyes

umbral blaze Nov 28, 2019, 1:31 PM

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Yeah i think this channel mainly just wasnt one a lot of people could (easily) contribute to

sand bramble Nov 28, 2019, 1:31 PM

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Yes, but the number of active maintainers is precisely the problem that I'm concerned about. I have no doubt that if it was an active channel where 10 people posted cool expressions and things daily, people would love and use it, but I feel that what Mami (possibly jokingly) said is what many people feel. I've long had the feeling that people expect the moderators to provide them with content instead of them being the ones who lead these projects.

umbral blaze Nov 28, 2019, 1:32 PM

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Hecke dont react to my comments or ppl will think they are jokes smh

sand bramble Nov 28, 2019, 1:32 PM

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if you want to make real tests, put it out in the open for everybody

That is very much a possibility. I was merely running one test that interested me personally, since I've toyed with the same idea for other channels but never really had the chance to execute it before.

lucid ledge Nov 28, 2019, 1:32 PM

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alright, if that's the problem I wouldn't mind taking some responsibility for both providing content and wrestling people into contributing too

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again, I have a terrible track record, but I'd like to at least try

umbral blaze Nov 28, 2019, 1:33 PM

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You gonna wrestle me too henk?

lucid ledge Nov 28, 2019, 1:33 PM

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yes, but only for pleasure

lapis nymph Nov 28, 2019, 1:34 PM

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I thought there may have developed the assumption that it was a channel just for me (I am collecting them at this rate) but I am not sure how to communicate that the opposite is the case effectively. Like berzi said, most people don't read descriptions and whatnot so the only I can think of is encouraging it myself or hope that a side effect of someone else posting other than me will induce others to contribute.

fathom fulcrum Nov 28, 2019, 1:35 PM

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To put it simply, the channel was never meant to be a place for one moderator to post content while everyone else reads it. We would not have created it if that was the intention. People have, for a long time, claimed that they have tons of content they personally want to share to other people. We created the channel for those people. The supposed large number of people who tell us that they have all this content to share and want a place to post it.

umbral blaze Nov 28, 2019, 1:37 PM

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Okay to clarify on what I said: I wasnt actively thinking that only Pferd was allowed to post here.

fathom fulcrum Nov 28, 2019, 1:37 PM

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And our concern, and our assessment of the success of the channel, is not related directly to who is using it. But everything in the server should be community-driven. If the community as a whole is unable to provide momentum for something, and it's left up to moderators to do it, we're going to, in most cases, simply remove those things.

lucid ledge Nov 28, 2019, 1:38 PM

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I believe a huge part of the problem is awareness, not motivation

fathom fulcrum Nov 28, 2019, 1:38 PM

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The community can also provide awareness.

lucid ledge Nov 28, 2019, 1:38 PM

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it's harder to when it's behind closed (albeit unlocked) doors

umbral blaze Nov 28, 2019, 1:38 PM

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But it just seemed like the modus operandi for the channel to just have pferd post stuff there

fathom fulcrum Nov 28, 2019, 1:39 PM

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So you're saying Pferd should avoid posting so people don't get the wrong impression? @umbral blaze

umbral blaze Nov 28, 2019, 1:39 PM

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No that would be dumb

sand bramble Nov 28, 2019, 1:39 PM

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Yes, literally ban Pferd from the channel. mmlol

umbral blaze Nov 28, 2019, 1:39 PM

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I dont have a solution

lucid ledge Nov 28, 2019, 1:39 PM

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as a solution I really wouldn't mind helping pferd out on both content and awareness

umbral blaze Nov 28, 2019, 1:39 PM

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Im just sharing my thoughts

lucid ledge Nov 28, 2019, 1:40 PM

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just for that the channel would have to be open

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the only reason I noticed today was because I wanted to post something in it

umbral blaze Nov 28, 2019, 1:40 PM

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I think it wouldve taken me ages to realize totd is gone

lucid ledge Nov 28, 2019, 1:40 PM

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loleyes thats not surprising

lapis nymph Nov 28, 2019, 1:40 PM

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@umbral blaze yeah I know, just figured it gave that impression mmlol

sand bramble Nov 28, 2019, 1:41 PM

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Well anyway, my proposal is that I just flip the switch the other way, keep the group but make the channel open to everyone (possibly restricting posting to those subscribed only) and giving that a go for a while to see how it plays out.

lapis nymph Nov 28, 2019, 1:41 PM

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I think a trial run like that is okay

sand bramble Nov 28, 2019, 1:42 PM

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I think it wouldve taken me ages to realize totd is gone
Tbh like an hour after I did it, some new guy read about the channel in #announcements and asked about it being gone in #general.

lapis nymph Nov 28, 2019, 1:42 PM

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I will try promote it more myself actively instead of passively by just posting shit

lucid ledge Nov 28, 2019, 1:42 PM

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you could also tell people to look at the channel instead of giving them words

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but ik that's your thing c:

umbral blaze Nov 28, 2019, 1:42 PM

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I think just having some second non-mod person also posting stuff already really helps

peak holly Nov 28, 2019, 5:54 PM

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sascha occasionally posted there too. I was meaning to do so as well but I just don't come across interesting stuff really often lately :D

lime sparrow Nov 29, 2019, 7:55 AM

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I posted once

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a long time ago

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and then kinda forgot about it

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also I’m curious about the reach of posting there - how many people actually have access to it?

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it was behind a role, right?

peak holly Nov 29, 2019, 9:16 AM

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yes that's what i was complaining about earlier

lime sparrow Nov 29, 2019, 9:38 AM

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I think if it was public it would have seen more activity
and no, a publically accessible role is not public, most people do not participate in the role stuff

lucid ledge Nov 29, 2019, 10:22 PM

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excuse me but why the fuck did two of the most active mods get demodded?

lucid ledge Nov 29, 2019, 11:21 PM

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also, I'm not in the totd group despite everyone else being able to see it

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still grove Nov 29, 2019, 11:25 PM

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Same here

lapis nymph Nov 29, 2019, 11:38 PM

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can you see it now?

lucid ledge Nov 29, 2019, 11:39 PM

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nope :(

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I tried restarting discord too

lapis nymph Nov 29, 2019, 11:42 PM

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maybe if I write something