obtuse sedgeBOT
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Well, logs also contain things like every invite someone makes, role changes, nickname edits etc. For bans, we already have the >bans command which lets you see the most recent bans. That one could potentially be made public, but idk, we'll see and talk it through. I'm talking non-officially here. 
crude orbit
for reference
lime sparrow
yea that’s not the same thing as what arrem said now
that message there reads more like “there’s a lot of irrelevant shit in there”, not “there’s sensitive information”
that’s very different
crude orbit
hm, probably wasn't communicated outside of the mod chat then,
didn't really read that sorry
was too busy scanning through shite about nickname colours
still don't like this pink
lime sparrow
lul
I mean me neither but there's an easy fix: git gud
the purple's nice
but i'm non-bothered enough by this scheme that I won't enter a discussion on colors
bit too much red for my taste but whatever
crude orbit
i dunno the last one only took a few hours... i've got a couple weeks
obtuse sedgeBOT
@lime sparrow, your suggestion has been answered:
lime sparrow
aight
fathom fulcrum
I just want to add though: feel free to share and discuss stuff from other places if you see something and think it could be interesting/valuable in the context of learning German. (This is just a general message to anyone really)
crude orbit
yeah i assume there is occasionally a diamond in the rough on r/german, in which case i'd quite like to hear about it
might make me think better of reddit 
lime sparrow
well there was a post on swiss german learning resources a few days ago, I added it to the faq, which iirc I haven't fixed the formatting of yet
so lemme do that rn or ill forget again
btw congratz you made yourself look stupid enough on our server that one of the mods actually asked if any of us knew this guy who did this
gritty geyser
Please try to be less rude, Sascha
lime sparrow
uh. alright, I meant that as banter, not insulting, sorry if it came across the wrong way. didn’t mean it that way
fathom fulcrum
I recommend using the >suggest command for making suggestions.
quiet shell
Wie funktioniert das?
fathom fulcrum
>suggest Here is my suggestion
quiet shell
Can we get a chat room for people looking for pen pals
uhhhhh ich bin schlecht
suggest Can we get a chat room for people looking for pen pals
obtuse sedgeBOT
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crude orbit
Hmm we used to have something like that..
ashen zenith
suggest a list of things that were tried out but then removed also stating reason it was removed. eg. meeting chanel
obtuse sedgeBOT
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gloomy lance
We used to have a channel like that but it turned out to be just a copy of #introductions so we got rid of it again.
lucid ledge
Those are p much my thoughts on it too
lime sparrow
question about those two groups you just made:
who is gonna be correcting those? are they organized by someone? do you need helpers?
lapis nymph
this is all in the prototyping phase, as it were, so things will change and feedback is welcome
actually I will edit the announcement to express that helpers are welcome for these groups too
gritty geyser
Korrigiere die Ankündigung nicht, sondern mach eine neue, weil die, die sie schon gelesen haben, werden nicht bemerken, dass du was Neues hinzugefügt hast
lime sparrow
oh also
lapis nymph
@gritty geyser zu spät
lime sparrow
suggest rename this channel to something (e.g. meta, feedback)… such that we can discuss announcements or changes here that aren’t strictly suggestions, because there isn’t a channel for that and this is clearly the place to do it
obtuse sedgeBOT
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gritty geyser
@lapis nymph Enttäuschend
lime sparrow
also, either it’s not been made yet or is broken, but I don’t see a channel for the writing group (but do see one for the translation group)
lapis nymph
I don't intend to make one for the writing group
lime sparrow
ah
lapis nymph
I guess I will just post the Details now
lime sparrow
actually I probably won’t have the patience to help out in writing ^^ but we’ll see
lapis nymph
any help is welcome; it's basically going to be like what is done in #writing now, where people post texts and random people correct them, except now we have regular prompts and a bit more structure to them, for those who want it.
lime sparrow
oh also, this is a thing I suggested ages ago but I think it got lost (or I simply didn’t see it be denied, also possible), and I don’t think I ever made it into a suggestion (it’s even more relevant now with the writing challenge)
suggest separate #writing into a pinboard (where people post stuff they’d like corrected, be it a sentence or a whole text) and a corrections channel where the stuff can be discussed. this way, an old submission does not get lost as easily if another one is discussed right after
obtuse sedgeBOT
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lime sparrow
I’ve seen this implemented on a conlanging server with pretty good results
fathom fulcrum
Specifically in regard to correcting individual sentences, that should just go in #beginner-german if not #questions
lime sparrow
well then sans that
gritty geyser
what about this one?
make sure to >sub Gaming. That should give you access to the text channel as well
distant ocean
Is the AFK channel now hidden or did I somehow hide it on my screen? I had this weird thing happen yesterday where I was in the afk channel but could still hear the people from the other channel
nocturne reef
@distant ocean that is a bug. some time ago i had it too.
for others it looks like you are still in that channel where you were and you can still hear them talking as if you were still in that channel. just on your screen it shows you are in afk
gilded swan
suggest integrate the Deepl API to make a bot that can translate sentences
obtuse sedgeBOT
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wild aurora
Der zugang zur api wird mit kostenpflichtigen accounts reguliert oder nicht ?
gilded swan
ja, ich glaub schon. Der ist ja mit dem Deepl Pro Abo verbunden. 5€ pro Monat
wild aurora
Und woher kommen die ? 🤔
gilded swan
https://www.deepl.com/pro.html (Unter dem Für Entwickler Tab)
wild aurora
Ich meinte eher wer bei dem vorschlag die kosten trägt
gilded swan
Ja das wär dann natürlich die Frage.
Die müssten dann irgendwie übernommen werden. Sponsoring, private Finanzierung oder öffentliche Finanzierung (über Patreon) wären vielleicht nicht zu verrückt drüber nachzudenken... aber ja Kosten vor allem wenn sie monatlich sind sind natürlich erstmal ein Problem
Man könnte bezahlten Deutschunterricht anbieten, um das zu finanzieren.
Oder man verwirft die Idee, weil es das Problem der Finanzierung aufwirft
wild aurora
Persönlich sehe ich da mehr probleme als nutzen aber wir werden das mal besprechen danke 👍🏻
wicked parrot
suggest i think itd be interesting if there were roles people could pick from to show which state(s) they live/have lived in
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lime sparrow
yea no that one’s gonna get rejected fast
that takes ages to set up, increases the amount of roles from like 10 to a hundred, makes role management a pain and serves nearly no purpose. they didn’t implement native/fluent languages for the same reason, and that one actually had a little bit of merit in that your other languages might be of use for explaining grammar stuff
atomic pilot
more like 2 hundred
whole kite
suggest Vocab word of the day?
obtuse sedgeBOT
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atomic pilot
we need an FPS list like the minecraftsuggestions reddit
crude orbit
Oh you mean like the one linked in the MOTD? @atomic pilot
Yeah we should get one of thsoe
atomic pilot
what is MOTD
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mossy gulch
suggest a voice channel or group for the sole purpose of working. You just have a voice channel which you join while you're working and with a muted mic. I personally think that the fact that you have people there also working makes you more productive
obtuse sedgeBOT
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gritty geyser
@mossy gulch you could use the afk channel for that
lapis nymph
@mossy gulch I don't understand the point of your suggestion, what difference would that be to sitting in silence?
mossy gulch
You actually know that there are people on the other side of the line also working
That gives some motivation
gritty geyser
mental support from knowing that there are other people sitting in silence working i guess
peak holly
I think that is so niche that you'd have better chances by just doing it yourself in regular channels and pretending others are doing it too
mossy gulch
Like in the library or in school with friends you're silent too but most of the time you can work better in an envoirnment where other people are also working
lime sparrow
god I hate that
I can’t be in a place like that with friends
if I’m studying with other people, it’s because we can ask each other questions
stark silo
I bet it's superfluous to ask whether we could add the low saxon flag and the missingsch flag as an emoji? xD
lime sparrow
flag emoji for various regions have been rejected on the basis that there’s only 50 emoji slots
and you couldn’t put them into your username anyway so there’s barely any point to them
stark silo
haha okay, fair enough :)) fragen schadet ja nie ^^
nocturne reef
<- then what is this .. ?
lime sparrow
idk vienna is a meme
lucid ledge
that was added for @sand bramble so she would stop complaining
crude orbit
So where is my :alba: emoji??11
sand bramble
We used to have loads actually, but nobody really used them so we removed them all. I just kept Wien because it's the loveliest city ever for the memes.
It seems like a cool idea on paper but in practice it turns out there aren't that many opportunities where posting a flag makes sense so people don't really do it. Our custom emotes get changed fairly often and they mostly just represent the inside jokes popular among the active group in #general.
delicate hawk
lime sparrow
Yesterday(?) me and @stark silo had a longer discussion about dialect / minority language roles, stemming from the fact that we’re both native speakers of what you wouldn’t call standard german at all ^^ And we’d like to propose there being some sort of role indicating you’re fluent in a dialect. To implement this however, a decision has to be made about two things:
My personal suggestion is as follows:
•only add roles when requested (I herewith request a “Swiss German” role)
•prefer identity over linguistic accuracy (e.g. probably make separate Bavarian and Austrian roles, and a separate role for Swiss German as opposed to south german alemannic, neither of these are really sensible from a linguistic standpoint but probably are from a cultural one)
•make the groupings as broad as possible while still being in some way useful; “Upper German” is too broad but “Bernese German” too narrow. I think the most sensible way to figure out what this is is to just ask the speakers themselves what they think
•stick to stuff that is at least in some sense still considered “german”. Danish and Romani may be recognized minority languages but they’re definitely outside the scope of “German”. German Sign Language is a special issue tho cause it’s entirely unrelated to German but spoken by a definitely German minority.
Since we really only have about five or so active dialect speakers here anyway I don’t think it would add too much role bloat if you followed those guidelines. They also don’t have to be associated with a color or anything, ofc (not that I’d complain about that either). I would give them to fluent speakers, as opposed to strictly natives.
suggest make dialect roles
obtuse sedgeBOT
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lime sparrow
(I’m sure zylbath has his five cents to add too)
stark silo
Yes, but maybe later :)) i am at uni
lucid ledge
@stark silo heyo, we were wondering if you still had anything to add, as otherwise we'd only take what been said so far into consideration, and you seemed to have opinions on the topic too. 😅
lime sparrow
(something tells me this is to be read as “convince us before we decline it”)
also it’s not even been 24h give the guy some time ^^
stark silo
Sorry, cannot answer at the moment, but sounds about right
obtuse sedgeBOT
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stark silo
But isn't it actually quite within the scope? New people learning German often learn it in order to go to Germany or are already there. The everyday German is quite different and learners are less aware of the differences. Foreigners that spent their first year in Munich will use many Southern German expressions and words (word renderings) and are probably only aware of that when they move to another place. Having dialect tags can help learners with questions about local varieties they are learning. Also, some German learners are possibly also interested in learning a German dialect. The scope of this server is German and not Standard German, right? Wouldn't it be more realistic to live up to the dialectal variation of everyday German? (Furthermore, how do additional 10 roles or so be any harm, when there won't be any other channels or so, there are already #dialects and #other-languages to use. It's just easier to pinpoint a user to a specific region, maybe ask them questions as a learner how they say local stuff and maybe motivate more discussions.)
fathom fulcrum
The scope of this server is indeed primarily Standard German, though of course we don't exclude other German discussion.
stark silo
Hmm okay. I just thought, how could additional informations (Germanism ^^) harm anybody, even if the scope is Standard German?
(I would respect any decision of you, of course, just arguing ^^)
fathom fulcrum
I understand what you mean, but realistically, there isn't any benefit of implementing this as roles/tags because it doesn't have much use on a practical level. There is no real benefit over simply asking people directly, or asking for speakers of X dialect in #dialects . Putting the role in your username is simpler and, to be honest, a lot clearer and easier for people looking for dialect-speakers.
stark silo
okay, fair enough. Just wanted to ask ^^
fathom fulcrum
No problem. Thank you for adding your input as well.
stark silo
😄 👍
obtuse sedgeBOT
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mossy gulch
Thankss
crude orbit
suggest "your suggestion has been responded to"
obtuse sedgeBOT
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delicate hawk
sneak level : 100
cyan kite
suggest “ban callum already”
obtuse sedgeBOT
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sand bramble
Please don't abuse the >suggest command. It's purposefully designed so that every suggestion made must be replied to in order to close it, so meme suggestions mean either us replying to meme suggestions or editing the database manually to wipe the meme. I advise against using this channel as a meme channel in the first place, but if it occasionally must be done, don't actually use the command please. biklov, arenk
cyan kite
Okey Chef Arenk
stone mauve
<@&221738850748334080>
Hi dear administration of German Learning and Disscusion Community.
I want to admit the work you’ve done to develop such a wonderful resource, it is really the most active and alive German Learning and Discussion community.
It’s great to hung out, have fun, socializing, meeting people, getting learning advice, info about German world and culture, however I’ve noticed some issues too. The format for German practice rooms (open unlimited conference room) is in efficient, for example:
winter frigate
When there are more than 3 people in a room, you listening more that speaking, you will not have a good speaking practice. When there are 6-10 people, including natives who speak fast to each other and people who has more aggressive speaking style - beginner/intermediate or polite people will sit and waste their time.
When zero or very basic level person randomly entering the chat, you may have had a nice flow of conversation and suddenly you have to talk in English explaining beginner how to study vocabulary or telling him how old are you/where you’re from.
When impolite/oter cultural background/bad attitude person joins a room, and instead or listening a bit and then join a flow, change dynamics in a random destructive way, it just spoils a session.
It can be mix of any kind of above mentioned factors, and it is ok for Casual format, but not ok for Learning/Language exchange. I view Casual as a bar – place where you can meet new people, and then form your own little groups aside.
People finds their own solution for this issue:
I’ve seen people doing private calls instead – works well, but when you see people talking in a chat it’s means that the community alive, hovewer you can not see private calls anywhere. We need to make a sight that the community is active, otherwise people will go to other discord group.
I’m seeing people leaving this group and creating their own small Discord communities (last week it was 3 new), invitins others there, and yesterday we had same result it one of them. Too many people in a group, 3 people talking actively, other 4 wasting their time.
Some people leaving all together from Discord, they say that it is too insonsistent, and they have too limited time to spent on such a thing.
The better solution can be to create more rooms with limited capacity:
2 for communication when you and your partner want to focus even more or want to disscuss something without external interruption (note, personal call is good too, but we want other people to see us, like in a bar – we don’t want to be in an emply room, but we want to have some space for ourself).
3 and 4 for fitting a group who wants to have a good, consistent flow but more diverse group.
The number of rooms can be: 22, 33, 4*1, but that is only my proposal. Nue Deutsch should be renamed Casual – Nue Deutsch, otherwise the story will repeat.
Here is the proof of the method from one of the old Language Exchange portals:
https://www.mylanguageexchange.com/HowTo.asp
Creation of room will not automatically change everything, we will need to encourage learners to joing small rooms, but that is another question, from my side – I’m sure I will use these new rooms speaking with my language partners every day.
suggest Create rooms with limited capacity
obtuse sedgeBOT
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sterile heath
suggest language roles
obtuse sedgeBOT
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peak holly
that has been suggested so many times
primal anchor
It's in the doc with old proposals, rejected.
lucid ledge
doing our job for us 😔
obtuse sedgeBOT
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sand bramble
@stone mauve Thanks for your kind words and your thorough proposal. We'll discuss it and get back to you, but I just want to say (to everyone) that we're technically a moderation team, not an administration team, so for pretty much everything ping the Moderator role instead. (For suggestions, a ping isn't strictly necessary in the first place either.) That way you'll reach all of us and we'll be able to respond to you faster in case of an emergency.
whole kite
suggest German Recipes and cooking
obtuse sedgeBOT
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obtuse sedgeBOT
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summer quest
suggest Können wir ein Emoji der Ampelmännchen haben?
obtuse sedgeBOT
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summer quest
suggest I think we should have a @here or something role so that people who want to talk can be pinged
obtuse sedgeBOT
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summer quest
waaaait
did I just ping everybody
I’m really sorry if I did, it didn’t say that was an option on my screen
fathom fulcrum
No, the pings for here and everyone don't work, so don't worry.
We don't have those enabled because it would ping like 7k people or something.
high shoal
I thought Sascha had a suggestion to remake the resources pinned document to be more beginner friendly.
How did it go with that suggestion?
lime sparrow
well it still looks exactly the same as far as I can tell
cyan kite
maybe the mods are lazy and that is why they don't wanna change it 👀
lime sparrow
nah it’s more that it’s actually not tha easy a task I’d be lost about where to start too
high shoal
Anarchy then
We write our own unofficial answer to the question " I want to learn German, how can I start"
I mean till they decide upon that, cuz that probably the most significant and most frequent question this server gets
How about who ever interested, writes their answer to that question, and someone picks the best of every answer and make a 1 good answer 😅
God, English is hard sometimes
gritty geyser
We already replied to that suggestion.
You’re free and welcome to make your own resources list for beginners (or any lvl really) and share it here.
high shoal
Hmmmmm I'll be working on something then
fathom fulcrum
@high shoal It was never an official suggestion - it was simply mentioned in #resources - but it's something we'll be discussing properly at a later point. Otherwise, as Suzu mentioned, people are welcome to suggest their favourite beginner resources.
high shoal
Ahaaa it wasn't submitted by the bot,I knew I read it somewhere but wasn't sure.
I'll try 😄
sand bramble
Yeah. If anyone wants to officially propose it and maybe offer some ideas on what could be improved (and how), we'd be more than happy to hear them.
summer quest
So then what’s the status on my two suggestions so far
gritty geyser
You'll be informed once we've reviewed them. You can get a list of active suggestions by invoking >suggest list in our #botchannel. We're currently focusing on rewriting #282831147942281216, the rules and our mod guidelines. As such, suggestions that don't directly benefit the server may get answered only after the majority of the aforementioned listings have been resolved.
summer quest
Alright thanks
obtuse sedgeBOT
@lime sparrow, your suggestion has been answered:
lime sparrow
nice!
obtuse sedgeBOT
@crude orbit, your suggestion has been answered:
We're going to blacklist people who abuse >suggest from now on. Thanks
obtuse sedgeBOT
@atomic pilot, your suggestion has been answered:
@summer quest, your suggestion has been answered:
summer quest
suggest list
high shoal
Nice work on suggests
obtuse sedgeBOT
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obtuse sedgeBOT
@stone mauve, your suggestion has been answered:
lucid ledge
(2) Secondly, restricting group sizes would also mean a lot of the people who join practice channels to listen in for exposure will not have that option anymore. It also assumes whoever is a participant has the schedule or the priority for such a individual oriented discussion, which given our differences is sadly not always achievable. There is also no agreement or guarantee for a good mixture of levels unless predetermined that your speech partner or group will be one that can teach you, wants to, and understands the level they need to speak at to challenge each other effectively. With all this in mind, we don't see how this is different from arranging a private session.
We also don't see a benefit of making it public to see, but not to join - it appears to defeat the purpose of being visible in the first place. We understand that atmosphere can play a good role, but if it only pleases 2-4 people and isolates a lot more we don't see the worth in it.
If all channels are full of people, asking the moderators for a temporary group channel is also an option, but bear in mind that this won't be seen by other people unless they join through a bot command, and once the group is inactive, will be deleted again. The moderators are also within their right to decline this if they feel another channel could be utilized for the proposed purpose, so this is not a definitive solution.
If you have more thoughts or would like to clarify a misunderstanding, feel free to let us know. As said before we do realize that there are problems inherent with the structure and moderation of the voice channels, and would be very eager to hear of ways to improve them. Thank you for all the time and effort you've put into writing up your suggestion, it really means a lot to have so much care for the community.
lime sparrow
one thought: I more or less agree, but I feel like adding one or two channels that are restricted to two people for quick one-on-one stuff could be nice
liek if you just quickly wanna hop in to explain something and not be interrupted by someone wanting to join
stone mauve
@lucid ledge Thank you, I certainly respect your decision, just want to clarify the concept.
Addition of small rooms will change nothing for people who prefer to hung out in big open groups, such as Casual chat. Same about Nue Deutsch, open chats should exist, no doubt about this. That’s where listeners can have their exposure to language, (aside of podcasts/videos with subtitles).
Open chat is a great place to meet new people and if we feel comfortble talking to each other and want to have more speaking time we can use the option to move to smaller rooms.
Moderation is not a big problem on a server, because we can mute someone if we want to, the problem arises for learners who want to make the most of their time and have consistent speaking sessions.
It doesn’t isolate everyone else if someone is practicing there, it just makes it better for learners because it gives people space to talk, and you know – speaking skill is more difficult to develop than comprehension.
The goal is to make our server better, more diverse instrument, useful for all categories of users. It is works great for meeting new people, finding a language learning partners, hanging out, getting language learning resources etc, but is not perfect for efficient and consistent speaking practice.
Learner only needs to spend 1-2 hours a day taking with compatible partners, and for him it is essential to have consistent sessions, especially if he/she has limited free time.
Let’s analyze basic types of people here.
Someone who want to start learning German
n Can get all info and exposure from open chats or join small room and have closer talk with people there, if room is not filled and they willing to help.
Someone who want to practice speaking skills
n Can do this productively as long as he talking to a compatible partner, in a small enough group without much interruptions, or his level high enough to dominate in a big room
Someone who want to help others with language
n Can contribute to small or big group, in case with a small group his contributions will be more tangible due to proportions of speaking time and more focus in a smaller group
Someone who just want to socialize
n Can do that in a big or small group, depending of his personality type, however some people have more fun being with smaller number of people, on the other hand most of us will prefer to stay in open room just to enjoy meeting new people
Learner’s scenario:
After some time meeting people in Discord learner knows a number of people with whom he like to work on his language. He can schedule a time or one of them/several of them may already be chatting. To make sessions more interesting it’s better to mix group, 3-4 is usually more fun than 2, that’s why private chat is not always the answer. Even when just 2 people join a chat with capacity of 3-4 people, other 1-2 random people who may join will not spoil the session, regardless of their level or attitude, due to proportion of speaking time to number of speakers.
In conclusion, I think adding small rooms will not change dynamics on this server in general, but will certainly make it more comfortable place to be.
Why not add some tables to our bar? Maybe we can try to implement it for a week/month and see?
stone mauve
Sorry, long read)) Short version: we need to add small capacity rooms (3-4) to actually get together and try to speak more now, not in 1 year when our German will slowly improve enough to do that in overcrowded room, or natural selection will remove people who don’t have time for inefficient inconsistent practice.
low flower
I have another idea:
Instead of making natives help A1 people, make A2 people help A1, and B1 to A2 vice versa
If A2 can’t help A1, B1 helps A2, then A2 can help A1
gritty geyser
Natives helping A peeps doesn’t make much sense tbh.
It’s frustrating for both sides
lucid ledge
Thank you for all your suggestions; again its really lovely to see you all so invested in the community. We're likely going to re-address the topic once again and get back to you when we've all come to a conclusion. 
honest granite
I never had the impression that an A level speaker was frustrated when I helped him. @gritty geyser
umbral inlet
I think that we all try to welcome every level of learner and offer to help in various scenarios, including switching to other available rooms to help with learning.
Most of the times the casual and nur deutsch channels are used for small corrections on pronounciation or, as I do often hear from participants, just for getting listening comprehension up, so at least I do also encourage people to ask questions or participate and think it is totally up to anyone individually to do so.
In my perception that takes place.
gritty geyser
Well, good for you i guess, I’ve seen mostly bad cases then.
sand bramble
Do give an example. 👀
gritty geyser
I don’t have any specific cases but from what i saw/heard, A lvls usually can’t follow what the natives say, they can’t hold any longer conversation because of the lack of skills (small vocab, bad listening skills etc) and there are not many topics you can discuss at such level.
For the natives - they usually get bored waiting for A lvls to create a sentence and the topics they hear/can talk about are repetitive and not exactly the most interesting ones.
Do note that I’m just expressing my own opinion regarding the lvl differences tho, not what other mods think.
honest granite
I get what you mean regarding the VC and A levels. It is hard for them to follow the conversation. It is still a valuable exercise of listening practice though and I often find that they are happy because they learn new words or phrases. As for natives being bored, it might apply to some but the majority definitely is eager to help, no matter how simple a question may be.
gritty geyser
Listening is always nice but i meant 1on1 convos
And i do believe that most natives are eager to help but i can also imagine that the eagerness won’t stay constant, by which i mean it can sink cuz of the convos becoming a routine
honest steeple
I also find some times 3-4 people speaking russian/arabic/turkish between themselves in Practice Room or Nur Deutsch which is pretty discouraging. Not much you can do about it though
Which happens I guess when casual is full
lapis nymph
@honest steeple please report such instances if it happens in Nur-Deutsch; practice room is not ideal either but I (personally) don't see it as outright forbidden, maybe they are explaining things to each other
honest steeple
Didn't say it should be forbidden, just said it's discouraging. Because when finally I see people on Practice Room or Nur Deutsch I get my hopes up and then I hear them just having conversations in other langauges which kinda sucks
It's not explaining those are full on conversations
lapis nymph
well, in Nur Deutsch it's practically forbidden 'cause it's against the point of the channel
honest steeple
Obviously
lapis nymph
but yeah I see your point
honest steeple
Again, not really sure of anything can be done about it though
Just sharing that it is a phenomenon
lapis nymph
yeah, it's good to be made aware of it, thanks 👍
honest steeple
👌
gritty geyser
yeah, I'd also like everyone to report instances of full blown conversations in foreign languages other than English and German
atomic pilot
suggest set up slowmode in #writing because of the new purposing
obtuse sedgeBOT
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mossy gulch
Sorry but I think slow mode won't help with anything
lapis nymph
what is slow mode?
gritty geyser
this
wild aurora
If you enable slow mode for a channel you can only send x messages in intervall x
Damn Nully
fathom fulcrum
@atomic pilot Can you explain the reason for that suggestion?
sand bramble
Just make it so that the bot bans you if you send more than one message per day.
lime sparrow
the reason being it stops you from talking there
by shutting you up if you try
however, it would also mean that you couldn’t e.g. post two links in succession
I’m personally not in favour, though you might wanna make a more visible announcement since it’s already been not-followed
obtuse sedgeBOT
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gilded swan
suggest Organisation eines Community-Treffens irgendwo in Deutschland, falls Interesse besteht bei genug Leuten (die Community ist mittlerweile vielleicht groß genug dass sowas möglich ist)
obtuse sedgeBOT
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crude orbit
already been done, but not quite for the purposes of practicing german?
nocturne yarrow
Lass ma ein Meetup machen und Mini WM spielen
gilded swan
Mini WM?
high shoal
Now to the question, should links to pirated materials be included in the guide? I know our policy goes fine with that, but is it moral? I can hang the "moral code" on them and it becomes their very own choice whether to download or not while they are capable of purchasing such materials, as it is their choice to steal that phone or wallet while no one is looking. My concern is on my behalf, is it moral to provide the choice with such ease? I think for the greater good and within this context it should be fine.
gritty geyser
what guide are you talking about?
high shoal
Oh I was gonna write a little guide on where to start learning German
Or should I call it "my experience" cuz it won't fit as a guide 😅
gritty geyser
We have to take down links that include or promote pirated goods of any kind, sadly
high shoal
Aha
What if the server doesn't officially support it, and it is a member who did it, does that migrate the risk to the individual?
gritty geyser
Well, our policy is that we'll take down any material that we know was or is pirated. It's up to you what you do with that information and the server doesn't condone it. However, we won't do anything about it as long as we don't know about it.
lime sparrow
illegal in which jurisdiction?
cause these things differ widely across the globe
(e.g. here in switzerland, downloading stuff is always legal, no matter what it is; though sharing isn’t)
gritty geyser
it doesn't matter whether it's legal where you live. If you pirate software or books and share those on discord, you're violating their TOS which grounds for account termination
peak holly
the tos explicitly mention pirated software. I don't think that extends to stuff like pdfs and such?
gritty geyser
It does, it essentially extends to pirated content of any kind. I also linked to the guidelines which is not the same as their TOS (in terms of clarification on things like these)
lime sparrow
I reckon you should probably not host any pirated materials as officially endorsed on the server, seing as you’re a partnered server and all; but if someome were to share a pdf you just didn’t see it fast enough to take it down before the recipient downloaded it, right?
gritty geyser
correct, ye
officially, we have to report any account to discord that breaks their TOS, as per discord partner COC (which will get published in feb)
lime sparrow
so I guess technically I shouldn’t link the grammar pile to people, eh?
gritty geyser
yes
peak holly
this does kind of work against encouraging us to provide help and resources, i must say
gritty geyser
I know, it's not my decision though lmao
peak holly
I'm not saying it is
lime sparrow
really depends on how much they enforce it, which I doubt they’ll be willing to answer ^^
gritty geyser
if someone reports our server, we get 24h to remove the content in question and report the user. We'll also get an "official" warning if the report is deemed valid
peak holly
and are you allowed to know and publicly tell us who reported the server, so we can ostracise them the good old ancient greek way? 😏
cyan kite
Wir machens auf den alten deutschen weg und starten ne Hexen Jagd und Verbrennung @peak holly
😂
balmy venture
was ist denn mit einem zweiten "questions" Kanal, den man verwenden kann wenn den ersten schon in Verwendung ist?
suggest was ist denn mit einem zweiten "questions" Kanal, den man verwenden kann wenn den ersten schon in Verwendung ist?
obtuse sedgeBOT
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gritty geyser
suggest add a rhythm bot so we can listent to music together 😃
obtuse sedgeBOT
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obtuse sedgeBOT
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high shoal
Kindly see through it and suggest what amendments to make. If it is considered to be too much, I'd suggest to move sections 1.0 and 4.0 into an appendix or something and to trim section 2 a bit
Also, never mind the English please.
ashen zenith
suggest an anonymous feedback form similar to the survey but which is open all the time. for if people want to praise or complain about certain things. the survey was a success because people could say what they wanted to and the anonymity meant they felt more comfortable doing so.
obtuse sedgeBOT
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lime sparrow
I left two little comments on your thingy @high shoal
high shoal
das dorf 😢
lime sparrow
(three comments now)
high shoal
hmmmm ok regarding the last comment, I said it is active and one should regularly practice them which goes with your comment, or what do you you suggest I change exactly ?
lime sparrow
well imo, speaking and pronunciation are separate skills
you can speak fluently yet have a horrible accent
and you can have a great accent but be lost for words when speaking
lime sparrow
I don’t know of resources though
I could try to write one myself but since I don’t have a typical german accent myself I couldn’t provide helpful audio
high shoal
Hmmm you don't have to provide resources yourself, like there are many people who explain German vowels and umlauts, you just write on the difference between speaking and pronunciation 😄
And I can link to a book "Phonothek Intensiv" but it is recommended to levels + B1
How can I give you editing privileges
gritty geyser
discussions like these are probably better suited for #beginner-german, #questions or even #resources
umbral inlet
suggest change url that gets generated on >conj to this website https://www.verbformen.de/konjugation/besitzen.htm
obtuse sedgeBOT
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gritty geyser
whats your motivation for this proposal?
atomic pilot
very good generated image for every verb
lime sparrow
+1, that seems nicer
gritty geyser
y not both
atomic pilot
message too long?
gritty geyser
i never used it so idk
wild aurora
Well if we were to escape the preview to reduce clutter you wouldn‘t see the image anyway
atomic pilot
conj ausprobieren
atomic pilot
but having both links in the message makes it even longer
lime sparrow
it would also be ever so slightly unnecessary
atomic pilot
ye
nocturne reef
botty mcbotface's messages are not visible when you disable "show web preview info" which is really annoying to me - i know i am in a tiny fraction of users who have this turned off, but i can't be the only one and is quite annoying to not see any bot messages. is there a way to make the bot just write normal messages?
suggest change the way the bot writes in chat because it is only visible with "show web preview info" option enabled
obtuse sedgeBOT
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nocturne reef
suggest since one is not allowed to answer in the #writing channel anymore (?) i think it would be best to split that channel into two - something like #correction_request and #corrections because it gets quite messy if you have to communicate across different (independent!) channels. it is also not intuitive
obtuse sedgeBOT
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atomic pilot
embeds are an extremely common feature for bots, you really shouldnt turn them off if youre planning to use discord for anything other than this server
peak holly
it's discord's fault really. Bot embeds and link previews shouldn't be in the same category
i used to have them off too because I don't care for link previews but was forced to revert just to see bots properly -.-
unfortunately this means there's nothing bot devs can do
atomic pilot
ye
fathom fulcrum
@nocturne reef The current setup is the same as what you're suggesting.
nocturne reef
then the naming of channels is confusing and the usage has changed without indication
fathom fulcrum
How has the usage changed?
nocturne reef
i remember a time when the channel setup was the very same and i was allowed to post corrections in #writing ...
fathom fulcrum
At that time, the corrections were also not really meant to be posted in #writing but the moderation team simply didn't moderate the channel heavily or formalize this expectation until recently.
The general etiquette for the channel was to avoid discussions, at least in the time I've been on the server.
peak holly
what's the currently enforced system? Corrections stricly inside the google doc?
fathom fulcrum
Yeah and discussions moved to #beginner-german
We considered adding a writing-discussion channel but it's clear that it would have such a huge overlap with #beginner-german anyway that it doesn't make sense to make another channel with the same purpose.
peak holly
sounds perfectly reasonable to me. What's the counter-argument?
nocturne reef
but if someone posts a text i need to post corrected versions in #beginner-german now? that is just way to inconvenient
fathom fulcrum
But you suggested a second channel for corrections. Isn't that exactly the same?
nocturne reef
well i'd like to post corrections under the postet text ... if that is possible
peak holly
as far as I understand, people are not supposed to post texts in #writing that are not in google docs form. Correct me if i'm wrong, Base
nocturne reef
if not then a dedicated channel for that purpose, if it can't be in the same for whatever reason
fathom fulcrum
Well, to be honest, if someone posted a plain text writing into Discord and you posted the corrected version below it, that would be fine.
nocturne reef
and i think limiting texts to google docs is a bad way of forcing you to use google
i don't get why
fathom fulcrum
It's just actual discussions that should be moved. If your interaction becomes more than a couple of clarification messages.
nocturne reef
that's what i did and it got removed
fathom fulcrum
Hmm, I see. It might be a misunderstanding in that case.
peak holly
and i think limiting texts to google docs is a bad way of forcing you to use google
it's a good and easily accessible way to have texts corrected in-place. Of course it's not the only one but I don't think it's enforced over competitors, it's just the de facto go-to way
nocturne reef
say that to the chinese people lol
fathom fulcrum
Yeah feel free to use any other services you want.
It doesn't matter. The point is just to avoid discussions in that channel so that the texts people post stay accessible for a longer time.
nocturne reef
yea well my message got moved to #beginner-german and feels very out of context in that channel
quite irritating
it in ONLY a corrected version of the text i was replying to
how would you know if there was a reply already if not in the same channel?
peak holly
and it, or any equivalent service, is way more clear, manageable and elegant than discord chat. You can provide explanations for each correction and even discuss them and comment specific pieces without necessarily correcting them, and it's the only working way to allow multiple people to correct the same text without duplicating it multiple times.
If the corrections channel were just a list of links to such services it would be much more orderly and clear than a plethora of [text] [correction] [question] [clarification] [...], and everyone would have their own piece much more visible
fathom fulcrum
@nocturne reef Sorry to cut it short, but I have to go to bed now. Thanks for the comments though. I'll get back to you on this later or maybe another mod will.
obtuse sedgeBOT
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atomic pilot
lol
nocturne reef
wow thank you, can you do that every time? :D
nocturne reef
perfect!
suggest make bot that transcribes other bot's output and makes it visible through text or screenshots/images
obtuse sedgeBOT
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nocturne reef
thanks for the idea
lime sparrow
i was making a joke that the bot already does what you want, you just turned it off
peak holly
make a bot that turns embeds on for him when a bot posts an embed and then turns it off when he's done reading
wild aurora
Friendly reminder that #suggestions is not the place for memes 👀
obtuse sedgeBOT
@nocturne reef, your suggestion has been answered:
high shoal
Made modifications https://goo.gl/ntXqi7
ashen zenith
suggest possible to make >star random [user id or @ user] show a random star from that person. 👀 its not like i wanna lmao at bros typos or anything
obtuse sedgeBOT
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mossy gulch
ey that's a cool idea
fathom fulcrum
@nocturne reef Hey, sorry, I didn't get around to returning to that discussion earlier. But after discussing it with the mod team, it seems to be my own misunderstanding. Text-based corrections are preferred to go into #beginner-german but I understand the comment you made about being unsure how to make the transition. The best way to go about it is:
summer quest
suggest list
obtuse sedgeBOT
nocturne reef
if i would post the text that is to be corrected with the correction in #beginner-german, why not ask for corrections in the practice channel in the first place? isn't this new system just a bit redundant? @fathom fulcrum and the other mods
delicate hawk
no but then then people who want to get their writing corrected will get burried
under all the correction comments
according to them "writing" keeps the stuff to be corrected on top.
wild aurora
Yes the intended goal was to avoid clutter due to discussions and/or corrections in #writing
Imagine two different texts were posted at the same time and you start correcting the first one in #writing and it goes on for about twenty minutes. Nobody will ever see and thusly correct the second text and our approach tries to avoid this scenario.
I also wanna add that while we offer the possibility to use #beginner-german, the preferred way is to correct the text in the (hopefully) provided google doc. This way neither #writing nor #beginner-german get cluttered unnecessarily and everything is in place.
Hopefully that clears up some of the confusion @nocturne reef
fathom aurora
suggest a nsfw channel for people to post their own nsfw pics, and a role would be required to access the nsfw channel
obtuse sedgeBOT
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peak holly
iirc that's not allowed because the server is partnered with discord
fathom aurora
What?
peak holly
partnered servers have to abide by some rules including not having nsfw channels. But as I said, I could be wrong
obtuse sedgeBOT
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nocturne reef
@wild aurora nope did not clear up any confusion. it is just a bad system imo
why not let people repost their text if they feel like they are getting ignored. it has worked just fine before that rule existed
wild aurora
It’s pretty annoying when you’re in the middle of some discussion and suddenly someone posts a wall of text. Besides, nobody should even need to repost anything in the first place.
If your only argument is „it has worked before so why change it“ (which isn’t even an argument tbh) this discussion is kinda pointless tho :/
cyan kite
Well it is an argument: if it worked why even change it? 🧐
delicate hawk
what does it mean that this server is partnered with discord? does discord recommend this server to german learners or something?
sand bramble
Because people asked us to change it and now people are asking us to change it back. We're testing it out, if it proves to be bad it'll be reversed. Nothing's gonna make everyone happy.
@delicate hawk A custom invite link, https://discord.gg/german and VIP voice servers mostly.
delicate hawk
noice
lime sparrow
suggest add a command like this one here, but for suggesting stuff regarding the resource list in #resources
obtuse sedgeBOT
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nocturne reef
@wild aurora lets say i corrected a text and post it (maybe with the original for reference or not) into #beginner-german, that also is "pretty annoying when you’re in the middle of some discussion and suddenly someone posts a wall of text."
i cannot see in what way the new system is better, i can only see some worse aspects
delicate hawk
see it this way, if we used the writing channel like before: people get annoyed by the wall of correction text AND previous writings get buried. and if we use the current system, the latter doesnt take place. net profit.
nocturne reef
but then people in practice will complain? so an extra channel, as stupid as it sounds, might be the solution to your problem
lime sparrow
honestly when is practice ever used for its intended purpose anyway
that said I still feel like the system would just be clearer if it was called #feedback or sth
or #writing-feedback, even
delicate hawk
yah i haveb been on this server for 3-4 months and still dont know what exactly practice is used for.
lime sparrow
it’s intended to be the place to go when you wanna do stuff like actually studying sth together
like say solving exercises from a book
or doing a bunch of translation drills or what not
but that rarely happens outside the lessons, which ahve a dedicated channel
obtuse sedgeBOT
@ashen zenith, your suggestion has been answered:
ashen zenith
Ay
nimble steppe
suggest making it an obligation to put tags (like with # or idk $ maybe?) on #resources postings so that resource postings can be indexable/searchable (Regexp via Botty McBotface could work I think) Further improvements can include bot commands on #resources such as >BeginnerBook || >IntermediateBook etc. etc. that would lead to a posting
obtuse sedgeBOT
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sand bramble
Well that's why we're adding all the good resources to a google doc. Except it's usually me who does that and I've been dead for the past few months. I'll go through the channel sooner or later and add all the new ones, and the doc itself might get reworked/improved by the community. People have asked for improvements and we'll ask the community for some feedback and improvement ideas when we get there.
lime sparrow
that said, adding to the resource doc is manual and stuff gets lost, hence my own suggestion which is currently in review
suggest list
obtuse sedgeBOT
lime sparrow
number 56
nimble steppe
Gotcha! Just a brainstorming idea about making stuff dynamic for future use ^^
lime sparrow
the alternative to doing it with a suggest bot would be sth like a google form, but that honestly just seems like more effort
nimble steppe
I'll try to see if I can come up with the best of both worlds. I was looking to populate ideas for my own programming career and ended up thinking that suggestion up there XD
lime sparrow
also any suggetsion that requires people to do stuff is bound to fail
wild aurora
Like suggesting ressources with a bot command ?
gritty geyser
56/57 will probably get postponed until we rework suggestions and our resource list. After that I might decide to streamline the whole process
lucid ledge
@lime sparrow ((idk if you meant mod activity or general user activity ))
lime sparrow
the latter
gritty geyser
suggest making adjustments to the #introductions-channel, as it seems that there is a wide gap between people that introduce themselves in the channel mentioned above, and those who are active or generally participate in conversations.
This is probably also due to the fact that #general is hogged by GLaD-users that could be regarded as "daily or consistently active", they do therefor already know one another; making it hard for people that are unknown/new/inconsistent to become an integrated part of the already established social structure.
I'm not really giving any proper suggestion here, only stating, what seems to be a pretty evident problem (in my view, at least ^^)
obtuse sedgeBOT
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lucid ledge
@gritty geyser there are some servers where new users are only allowed to chat in one channel for the first 10-30 minutes upon joining, before automatically gaining a role either after this time expires or upon a few messages. Are you suggesting something like this?
to add detail for those who maybe haven't seen it, in some cases everyone is allowed to chat there, in some cases only moderators or 'trusted' members, but all in all the main intended purpose is for new members.
personal note: also great for trolls
gritty geyser
I think the problem is rather that people introduce themselves in #introductions but then no convo follows and they basically lose a chance to start a convo, maybe we should just encourage people to introduce themselves in #general
lucid ledge
it gets lost in fast conversation though, like chrono pointed out
gritty geyser
It’s true that msgs of non-regulars often get ignored, from what I’ve noticed
Yes, I think that is the problem. It it two-sided, since people can't have discussions in #introductions, they never have that follow-up chance to get that proper discussion and that feeling of being comfortable on the server - Which later allows them to return.
But writing in #general would simply be too much, seeing as so many of us that are there consistently have a very "closed-circle" lingo... like we meme a lot, and I'm not sure if everyone A) gets it B) like that kind of nonsensical talk
Maybe encouraging newbies to write in #general-2 would be a better choice since it’s not as busy
Alternatively the conclusion might just be that the sever is so immensely active that it is going to have a problem in integration more people on the server, because of the structural problems of a discord-server... like the way it is built and so on... the framework, one might call it 🤷
atomic pilot
do you wanna say we should abschieben the newcomers
gritty geyser
On the other hand, i feel like integrating into our server is easier than in others but i might be biased
lucid ledge
depends on the conversation in general
the afternoon/evening regulars tend to make chat real fast
@atomic pilot yes 
gritty geyser
Mhm but i still think that newbies often get ignored
lucid ledge
definitely
gritty geyser
I agree on Suzu's opinion
But we could just try asking the regulars to accommodate the newbies
They’re prolly just not aware of it
lucid ledge
its kinda impossible to ask of it all the time
gritty geyser
I just feel that the way the process is currently working makes it somewhat harder for people to become a part of the server
We don’t have to ask every time
lucid ledge
I meant, to expect it all the time 😅
gritty geyser
Just tell few of the people we know about the situation
It might not work every time but it’s better than not doing anything at all
fathom fulcrum
In what way do new people get ignored though? From what I see, anyone who actually attempts to join conversations or ask questions is replied to. Only people who all they say is "hi I'm new" don't get responses because, well, what can you reply to that? And that goes for old members as well.
gritty geyser
But I really like that idea with the channel, where mods or specific kind hearted people are allowed to discuss with newcomers
But that might also create other problems
From what i see, that’s not always the case, base. Sometimes newbies say sth and get no reply, then some regular comes and changes the topic to sth else
lucid ledge
I have to agree with suzu here :(
gritty geyser
Well to address your point Base, I think the way it is currently organized doesn't exactly encourage people to become a part of the server
And I must also agree with Suzu
with*
not on....
lucid ledge
we all agree on suzu :/
gritty geyser
😉
fathom fulcrum
What does "encourage people to become a part of the server" mean though? What is to "become a part of the server"?
gritty geyser
Well if you wanna put a definition on it, let me try to formulate something sensible
To become an integrated part of the server doesn't mean that one must be active every day, nor to partake in general "banter". Rather to make everybody feel welcome, regardless of their level of activity in the server, and make everyone feel comfortable enough to partake in discussion, whenever they feel like it. The server should feel like an open forum, where not only those, who are consistently active, and knows the ins and outs of the server social structure, dare to initiate a discussion. Furthermore, I personally find it to be important that everyone is able to ask questions regarding German language, without feeling that they are suddenly being intrusive in any kind of way
That is really a bad written definition
Way too big
No, it’s nice that you describe it in detail
fathom fulcrum
Is that a realistic expectation though?
gritty geyser
hmm.. all I'm trying to point out is that I think the server is missing out on a lot of people that actually want to be a part of the server, but doesn't since they don't have that "gut" to just jump into the frey
realistic, no... should the server in its essence strive for it, yes
I mean it is idealistic, and to ever fully achieve it would be impossible, but still I'd say the server should try 🤷
lucid ledge
first impressions are the most important, the one the server makes on people in terms of being welcoming is arguably just as important as the impression a newbie leaves on the members
gritty geyser
Ofc we can’t accommodate everybody since we have 9k people here but I would suggest actively asking newbies, being interested and trying to hold a convo with them when we have time - especially for the mods.
fathom fulcrum
I guess I don't see how people don't already do that.
gritty geyser
Well, i don’t see how people do it 🤷
lucid ledge
People do try, but its not consistent and relies on the effort theyre willing to put out in the moment
gritty geyser
Most people reply, sure, but actively asking and being interested is happens less often imo
fathom fulcrum
And is that something you think we can or should change? Force people to talk to strangers even if they aren't willing?
lucid ledge
no not at all
gritty geyser
That’s why i said at least as mods should try
lucid ledge
but maybe if their text is seen outside of an existing conversation in #general it would encourage it more
gritty geyser
I'm with Hecke on this one
fathom fulcrum
As a mod and as a member, I certainly always try to engage with new members of the server. If you also wish to do that, it would be good.
gritty geyser
That would be a strategy to be more accommodating for new members
lucid ledge
I'll schieb you woanders hin 😒
fathom fulcrum
So you feel that we should make a channel that's like introductions but with conversation allowed?
lucid ledge
if only to try out
gritty geyser
That would make sense... or just delete the whole introduction thing... I mean don't get me wrong, but the channel doesn't seem to have any really value at the moment. I've yet to see, how it has made any real progress in integrating people into the server. I mean, the whole "reactions" thing, doesn't do a thing, and it just seems as if people write in there, yet nothing really happens from it
I agree with chrono on this
But we could just allow convos in #introductions instead of making a new channel tbh lol
cyan kite
^
mossy gulch
Does it sound strange that >about seems more logical for >info and the opposite?
gritty geyser
suggest deutschsprachige Zeitungen in die Ressourcenliste hinzufügen
obtuse sedgeBOT
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gritty geyser
suggest eine Spotify-Liste von deutschen Podcasts
obtuse sedgeBOT
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gritty geyser
@sand bramble Happy?
sand bramble
I was memeing but yes lmao.
gritty geyser
Memes sind hier nicht erlaubt.
sand bramble
For your first suggestion, I'd be happy to include any links sent in #resources.
gritty geyser
Idk many newspapers, that’s why i made a suggestion
idle remnant
kann mir bitte jemand erklären, warum ich diese Nachricht nicht schicken kann? Der Bot frisst sie einfach 😡 https://pastebin.com/eBRSCVfr
idle remnant
und die Bonusfrage: warum verschwinden die Anfangsleertasten, wenn man was in single quotes schreibt
Beispiel
<- da gibt's Leertasten, die man nicht mehr sieht
gritty geyser
weil discord Whitespace am Anfang und Ende entfernt
idle remnant
geil, das heißt, die Entwickler von Discord nie vom Sourcecode gehört haben.... eh, warte mal....
sand bramble
Code blocks my dude.
oh look space
sand bramble
```optional language acronym goes here, e.g. py, cpp, java, hs, latex which enables syntax highlighting
code goes here
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idle remnant
super, vielen Dank! 😃 wir brauchen mehr solche Admins 😄
atomic pilot
hätt ich dir auch sagen können
peak holly
just use https://www.desmos.com/calculator or something similar
gritty geyser
evalin
x=1:0.1:10;
plot(x, sin(x));
print -dpng a.png;
0x1
gritty geyser
It already supports that, provided you know how to use Octave
tame grove
Karaoke night
cinder ember
meme channel
wild aurora
Usually things like karaoke nights get organized by other members rather than the mod team so feel free to look for other interested people @tame grove ^^
This suggestion has already been rejected multiple times. You can find a doc with old proposals in the channel description ( https://goo.gl/r12nv3 ) @cinder ember
Also i‘d like to make you aware of the >suggest command which makes handling suggestions easier.
nocturne reef
suggest create a feedback channel where users can say what they like / dislike without needing a suggestion how to further improve on it
obtuse sedgeBOT
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@gritty geyser, your suggestion has been accepted:
gritty geyser
Heyo. I just wanted to let everyone know that I've added labels to suggestions in order to make them a bit clearer/give information on what stage they're in atm. 🕐 -> Pending, 💬 -> Under review, ❌ -> Rejected, ✅ -> Accepted. You're also now able to get a list of old suggestions (and our mod response) along with their label by invoking >suggest archive. To round everything off, I added a quick way to 'link' to suggestions (inactive/active) by writing ##<suggestion_id>. Note: This will only work in #suggestions for everyone apart from mods. That's all for now
Example hot linking ##56
obtuse sedgeBOT
:speech_balloon: Suggestion: https://discordapp.com/channels/221708975698083841/258608634575978496/542638532448092171
gritty geyser
obtuse sedgeBOT
lapis nymph
suggest make suggestion archive searchable
obtuse sedgeBOT
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obtuse sedgeBOT
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lime sparrow
suggest add an option to delete a wrong latex render with an emoji react
obtuse sedgeBOT
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gritty geyser
why?
just to clarify do you mean wrong as in "Couldnt render your latex: Error XYZ" or a latex render you made that has a mistake in it, for example
peak holly
I think he means the latter. In both cases it seems a good feature for the one invoking the command to have available
after all if the latex representation were part of his message he would be able to delete it, the problem is that it's necessary for the bot to do that, but doing that "removes ownership", so to speak
this would give back some power that the used would normally have on his own creation
gritty geyser
Alright, I'll give you 60 seconds to delete a latex render after it got created
obtuse sedgeBOT
@lime sparrow, your suggestion has been accepted:
lime sparrow
Wait how could this even be abused if only the invoker can delete them?
and I meant both. I made a latex error in #science just before posting this, for reference
fathom fulcrum
As is described in the response.
lime sparrow
yea I don't understand it
you can't hide responses from other users if you can only delete your own?
deft ember
wow, I used this feature today and didn't realize it wasn't there before.
nocturne reef
the constant messages that get posted in #writing make the channel seem like there are new messages, but when i look into it there is nothing new, so here is my suggestion:
suggest make the #writing channel only accessible if you were granted permission to post your link by a mod or users should send their links to mods and they can post it
obtuse sedgeBOT
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Additional note: If the message indicator for #writing is a bother to you, you're free to mute the channel. This can be done by right-clicking the channel-name and selecting 'Mute #writing' as option.
nocturne reef
well #writing and #questions are the only two channels that i didn't mute..
queen forge
<@&305455824174710787> Hello I would like to contribute by writing weekly sentences to be translated. I am a native speaker with good English skills.
gritty geyser
Please use the >suggest command for suggestions. Thanks
lucid ledge
You don't have to ping us and ofc you can
Don't think it was a suggestion lol :')
@queen forge @lapis nymph does our weekly translations/writing prompts, I'm sure you can contact him privately, he'd appreciate the help ^^
queen forge
suggestion Rewrite a sentence using similar words instead of translating it entirely
damn
suggest Rewrite a sentence using similar words instead of translating it entirely
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lime sparrow
question regarding political discussions that just came to mind:
are questions regarding the political climate / ongoing political issues in DACH countries etc that might be of interest to potential immigrants allowed in #archived-culture-study-visa?
(as opposed to discussing actual stances on these issues)
that seems like an important point to clarify
(wait hang on I haven’t checked the elaborated version lemme do that real quick)
gritty geyser
Questions are allowed, yes
lime sparrow
the elaborated version (in particular example 1) seems to contradict that
that is
Example 1: During the German elections, a group of users are discussing the electoral process in #general. They are asked to move to #german-only, where such discussion is allowed.
this seems to imply to me that I’m not allowed to ask (outside of #german-only) how the process of electing people works (and what that even means) in #archived-culture-study-visa
I assume you meant that the discussion shouldn’t be about whether you’re happy about the choices etc
but it’s ambiguous
gritty geyser
do note that we used "discussions" as opposed to questions. Any implication of questions being banned can be invalidated with that in mind
lime sparrow
I would still request that being clarified more explicitly
gritty geyser
Sure, I'll add it to my list
sand bramble
Wow he has a list.
lime sparrow
a simple sentence like “questions about the political system of dach-countries are allowed in #archived-culture-study-visa“ would be sufficient I reckon
peak holly
suggest Clean up pinned messages across channels and unpin those that are irrelevant or obsolete. Personally I'd also remove reference tables for grammar since that's a redundant and frankly odd place for them to be, especially given that we have >faq and a resource list.
obtuse sedgeBOT
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sand bramble
No we're not removing your parrot message, go away.
lucid ledge
^^^^ I was about to say lmfao
sand bramble
That message makes me so happy.
peak holly
what parrot message? :0
gritty geyser
peak holly
lmao
i wonder what the context was. I forgot everything about it
just checked. Ofc it was autocorrect
queen forge
suggest A channel for jokes
obtuse sedgeBOT
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queen forge
.
Why did the golfer bring two pairs of trousers to the match?
In case he got a hole in one.
wild aurora
what's stopping you from telling jokes in existing channels ? @queen forge 🤔
queen forge
a dedicated one
wild aurora
yeah but why do you think we need one lol
like you could use literally almost every other channel
obtuse sedgeBOT
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obtuse sedgeBOT
@umbral inlet, your suggestion has been accepted:
obtuse sedgeBOT
@peak holly, your suggestion has been accepted:
gritty geyser
suggest rename VC Casual, but the other one to Allgemein with the same purpose as #general-2 - casual chatting in German
yes, you can speak german in practice and casual but maybe it would encourage A lvls to speak more - a suggestion from people in the vc
obtuse sedgeBOT
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peak holly
for consistency, Casual should be renamed to general
or the text channel should be renamed to Casual. Perhaps it would make more sense like that
fathom fulcrum
@gritty geyser Why would allgemein encourage but not practice room?
gritty geyser
They prolly just wanna chat casually but trying in a mix of german and English while practice suggests that you have to do some exercises. Dunno, ask @rancid glacier he should know better
sand bramble
Counterproposal, name the other one Causal just to cause confusion.
primal anchor
suggest make botty speak german, at least in nur-deutsch
obtuse sedgeBOT
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gritty geyser
Do you mean the bot responses?
lucid ledge
I'm meme
primal anchor
a very minor thing, all things considered, but still
queen forge
suggest A channel for natives to discuss and possibly improve upcoming solution for weekly sentence
obtuse sedgeBOT
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gritty geyser
Check which suggestion was rejected
fathom fulcrum
@queen forge Don't we already have a channel for that? #531447608888000522 ?
queen forge
A dedicated one to pre-discuss
Solutions are apparently released a day or two after the excersise
obtuse sedgeBOT
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peak holly
suggest change the VC channel name Casual to General for consistency with the text channel, or viceversa the text channel General to Casual
obtuse sedgeBOT
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void vector
suggest a role that either states its okay to dm or not. I get DMs almost daily from people from this server and I just dont want to be involved like this. I think it would be helpful when people could state with a role "pls dm me if you have questions", so people who dont want it dont get harassed
obtuse sedgeBOT
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gritty geyser
There are two alternative ways of solving this. You can either turn off DMs for this server or simply add something like | don't DM me to your nickname
obtuse sedgeBOT
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peak holly
or also disable DMs from non-friends
sand bramble
Or just quit Discord altogether.
peak holly
/uninstall reality
delicate hawk
suggest slowmode in resources too, for the same reason in writing channel. Although discussions dont happen in resources like they used to in " writing", its good to have it in place.
obtuse sedgeBOT
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obtuse sedgeBOT
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@peak holly, your suggestion has been accepted:
peak holly
your suggestion has been accepted:
rejected
🤔
we might consider renaming Allgemein back to Casual 2 in order to be more consistent.
I remember the reason for that change in the first place being to encourage speaking more german without enforcing it as strictly as nur-deutsch, and I believe it worked quite well. Why would you revert, and why would you not make voice channels semantically parallel to the text ones, since it simplifies things for the user and there's no advantage whatsoever to the contrary?
obtuse sedgeBOT
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gritty geyser
your suggestion has been accepted:
Misclicked, my bad
fathom fulcrum
@peak holly One advantage: we don't want people to associate the text channels and the voice channels because they are unrelated, aside from Lessons and maybe Gaming.
It's good to make it clearer that they are not intended to be parallel.
inner drift
suggest New "explain all" section for writing formal/informal letters/emails, or writing lessons for the latter?
obtuse sedgeBOT
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sand bramble
FAQ entries can be suggested by simply trying to access an explanation that doesn't exist. The bot then automatically logs it as an idea for a future topic. So running something like >explain super cool writing is usually enough.
peak holly
explain how to write formal/informal letters/emails
obtuse sedgeBOT
FAQ not found. Try >explain all.
inner drift
Well, that's better than mine, in any case
Thanks
peak holly
suggest add a hint to the "FAQ not found" message that the request has been added to suggested FAQs
obtuse sedgeBOT
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obtuse sedgeBOT
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untold zinc
suggest Is it possible to add some Karaoke? Um mit ein paar lockeren Leuten mitzusingen?
obtuse sedgeBOT
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untold zinc
To be on voice in order to sing along some German songs
wild aurora
Yeah but what exactly do you want us to do ? 😅
You can always ask other people if they‘re interested, hop in a VC and use @obtuse sedge if you‘d like to
untold zinc
@wild aurora Cool. ja, da hast du recht. War eine dumme idee 😁
obtuse sedgeBOT
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cyan kite
suggest ne Möglichkeit gepingt zu werden wenn zum Beispiel jemand ne frage in #questions hat. Also ne extra Rolle die dann gepingt wird
obtuse sedgeBOT
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sand bramble
That would require the users to use a special command, no? The bot can't really tell what's a question on its own.
cyan kite
I think so.
Still only a suggestion
lime sparrow
or, you know, make sth like a helper role that people can ping if they aren’t getting answers
the math server I’m on has a model where if your question wasn’t answered for 15 minutes, you can ping a helper role
(you can ofc ping it otherwise too, but you’ll get shouted at)
cyan kite
^
Ich hab da ne Idee
Aber ich poste die morgen oder so da ich heute keine Zeit habe des ausführlich zu schreiben
sand bramble
Yeah. Personally I think it does sound interesting if done/advertised properly.
cyan kite
Ja gib mir paar Tage Zeit für den Vorschlag da ich erst Sonntag wieder daheim bin :^)
fathom fulcrum
Usually questions get answered very quickly though except when people are asleep (which means no one would respond to the ping anyway), right?
cyan kite
Also meine Idee: entweder ne extra Rolle die jeder Pingen kann wenn er wirklich Hilfe brauch in entweder #questions oder leben unterm Dach. Oder irgendwie ne Möglichkeit den bot zu Pingen um uns dann zu Pingen.
Ich meine solange wir ersteres richtig kommunizieren und klar wann der Ping dafür zu nutzen ist.
Zum Beispiel wartet jemand 15min auf ne Antwort in #questions dann kann er nach diesen 15min einfach die Rolle Pingen.
@fathom fulcrum no not right. In the Night are usually some people still only and not only me. I mean the role isn’t exclusive for natives only.
@sand bramble das währe jetzt mein Vorschlag auf der schnelle.
fathom fulcrum
@cyan kite I just mean that usually when I see people waiting it is only when no one is here to help.
If someone is actually here, it is often answered almost instantly.
Now that isn't to say I think it's a bad idea.
But worth considering that kind of thing.
cyan kite
Guess why I made that suggestion. Anyways I don’t have much time today :^)
fathom fulcrum
Also, the potential that if people are pinged, then you might end up with 10 people writing an answer at the same time.
hard river
Make a meme channel
fathom fulcrum
That has already been rejected previously.
delicate hawk
Yah tbh media is.more than enuf for sharing memes
fathom fulcrum
Well... we don't really encourage posting too many memes there either.
Like meme dumps aren't allowed.
But a couple of good memes now and then is fine.
delicate hawk
Aight
gritty geyser
How about an art channel?
crude orbit
suggest standard international spelling is math not maths
obtuse sedgeBOT
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cyan kite
suggest rename stargazing to astronomy
obtuse sedgeBOT
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obtuse sedgeBOT
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crude orbit
Fucking imperialists
sand bramble
Dw Clam we still love you.
gritty geyser
suggest art channel
obtuse sedgeBOT
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gritty geyser
suggest music voice channel and DJ bot
obtuse sedgeBOT
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fathom fulcrum
@gritty geyser We have a bot which can play music tho I don't know how to use it myself. And you're welcome to discuss art in #archived-media . It's basically our combination art, music, videos, etc. channel.
gritty geyser
Oh. •u•
I'll figure it out.
suggest there doesn't have to be at least two other server members joining in the voice chat go be able to play music
obtuse sedgeBOT
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gritty geyser
You got a point.
thorny mason
Hey I got an idea for a role or channel. I asked the question the other day if there were any interpreters because I needed help with something and it kinda went unnoticed. Today, I confirmed a job working as a German teacher at my uni for beginners and was gonna ask if there was anyone who could give me tips. But I was worried if that too would go unnoticed. So, why not a role system or channel for professionals? Where people can talk about their experience using German in their jobs. This server could be a really good networking opportunity for careers and stuff
fathom fulcrum
Make sure you use the >suggest command for submitting suggestions.
I think it's an interesting idea. But it's probably a bit outside the scope of the server. The main focus of the server is simply learning German. Networking for jobs is a pretty severe departure from that focus, isn't it?
It is also worth noting, we have a channel #archived-culture-study-visa and this topic definitely would fall under that category, if you're looking for a place to discuss that stuff.
peak holly
yeah i've asked similar questions there myself. Of course you can't expect any question on anything to be addressed with certainty if you ask it in #general
even when it's off-topic, the best places are probably allgemein or nur-deutsch since they're less intensely used than general
thorny mason
I mean, it can be a learning experience if there were roles e.g Übersetzer, Dolmetscher, Lehrer, ect. They can be asked specific questions like ‚how do you (specifically) deal with xyz?‘ I just think it could be a really good opportunity
peak holly
knowing the server I don't think they'd be used that much, to be honest
most of the userbase does not belong to those professional groups, most of those who do wouldn't put on the role or be aware of it, and part of those who would, would not be available to personally answer questions too often. You'll have better luck using the appropriate channels and let anyone who can answer the questions
wheat stirrup
I suggest a new vocal canal "Deutsch nicht so schnell"
gritty geyser
Please use >suggest if you want to suggest something for the server. Otherwise they are likely going to get buried
plush lodge
suggest a new command, >explain doch
obtuse sedgeBOT
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lime sparrow
@plush lodge if you invoke that exact command, it'll register it as a suggestion to ua FAQ curators
also, >suggest sends the recommendation the wrong way, namely to the mods rather than the ones curating the FAQ
plush lodge
I have done so a few times over the course of the past couple weeks so I wanted to make sure that my suggestion was making it‘s way to the top. Thanks
gritty geyser
Nah you didn't
obtuse sedgeBOT
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wheat stirrup
suggest I suggest a new vocal canal "Deutsch nicht so schnell"
obtuse sedgeBOT
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wheat stirrup
suggest more vocal canal, there isn't enough !
obtuse sedgeBOT
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gritty geyser
@wheat stirrup there are at least 3 more empty vcs
wheat stirrup
But there are not corresponding to what i want
gritty geyser
What do you want?
delicate hawk
Vocal canals
gritty geyser
@wheat stirrup could you elaborate on both of your suggestions please?
gritty geyser
suggest Schuhplattler Emoji. BITTE.
obtuse sedgeBOT
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gritty geyser
@gritty geyser could you elaborate on your motivation for suggesting that motive as emoji?
peak holly
suggest a "thing of the day" channel with maximum slowmode enabled, where anyone can post cool expressions, words and facts they come across, while leaving all research up to the users (= the thing is not explained, just posted; people can ask about it in #questions or just research it on their own).
We've implemented it on the Italian server and it's been successful; it would be cool to have here too, especially for advanced speakers who struggle to find new stuff to learn (expressions especially).
obtuse sedgeBOT
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sand bramble
I'd just post peepos.
proven anchor
I have to learn to read
suggest a "ja" and a "nein" emote to reduce clutter. Someone posted 9⃣ which was clever
obtuse sedgeBOT
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proven anchor
reee, forgot to mention i can make both; all well 
sand bramble
Please use 
for ja and 
for nein.
obtuse sedgeBOT
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crude orbit
suggest rename
obtuse sedgeBOT
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obsidian phoenix
suggest Offer some weekly topics or anything else to drag #german-only out of the hallo-wie geht's loop
obtuse sedgeBOT
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fathom fulcrum
@obsidian phoenix Who should be providing these topics?
obsidian phoenix
I guess mods already have too much to do, so either users, our python friends or one of existing bots can choose random SFW neutral topics.
Lists are available since it's a common problem for some chat rooms
fathom fulcrum
Sure. But what is the benefit to this over, for example, you providing the topics yourself when you want to discuss stuff?
obsidian phoenix
Just a conversation starter so one doesn't have to think too much and something besides hallo
peak holly
i guess if nully has the Bock to implement it, the bot could listen to long streaks of greetings and use it as a prompt to suggest a random topic from a list
it requires some degree of work for sure so i doubt it'll be made, but it's an interesting thought
fathom fulcrum
But this just avoids you personally having to think. It sounds like it's just offloading the burden of making conversation onto someone else. That's why I'm asking why the people in the discussion, such as yourself, shouldn't be the ones responsible for deciding the topic.
peak holly
eh, I don't think this offloads the burden of conversation at all, personally. Just the burden of finding a starter, which some people find really hard to do (including yours truly). It would be no different, in substance, to finding and reading off a list of conversation starters from the internet, it's just that you wouldn't have to go through the trouble of finding it first
fathom fulcrum
Here's a suggestion for this idea, as a sort of trial of the concept: try starting out by coming up with some conversation topics yourself. Introduce them to the channel in the way you're imagining would be useful. See how successful it is. If it seems productive, that would support us making changes to implement it. @obsidian phoenix
obsidian phoenix
Well, I wasn't talking about myself only just announcing what I have noticed about the channel
fathom fulcrum
No problem. The suggestion is appreciated nonetheless. If anyone else reads this and would like to try it, feel free.
Members taking the initiative themselves to start a new project are the best way to make changes to the server.
Also, consider taking the topics from the weekly writing/translations tasks and using those as discussion points.
sand bramble
Don't let 0x1 implement that please. All topic would be cow-related.
fathom fulcrum
@sand bramble Lilly's next homework?
sand bramble
Perfect.
gritty geyser
suggest change the nickname of the bot Botty McBotface to Bottimus Botty McBotface
obtuse sedgeBOT
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cyan kite
suggest remove the old emotes no one is using. And maybe make some new ones
obtuse sedgeBOT
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sand bramble
We remove old emotes whenever we want to add new ones, so until that happens the current ones can stay.
ashen zenith
why is fearless concurency there sitll
cyan kite
suggest Eine Rolle für Natives die Nachts eher aktiv sind und helfen wollen, wenn Leute Probleme haben beim lernen oder so.
Das man die halt Pingen kann wenn es ist und die Leute sehen wer wie helfen kann nachts, wenn der Rest am schlafen ist.
obtuse sedgeBOT
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gritty geyser
SEE THAT RED BOX ON THE CURRENT DATE?
WELL YEAH, THAT MARKS THE CURRENT DATE
hehe 
magic jasper
suggest art channel or something for people to post whatever crap they're making. Knitting etc that isn't food, or python.
obtuse sedgeBOT
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fathom fulcrum
@magic jasper Why not #archived-media ?
magic jasper
Cause it had videos
Like a lot of stuff that people don't make.
There's probably not a need for art as I don't know how many ppl post things of that nature here. @fathom fulcrum
It's a channel call creation in French discord eg
fathom fulcrum
Ah okay. Generally #archived-media is mostly intended for two main things: your own stuff e.g. photos and art and so on, or your favourite music, etc. that you want to share. So it's technically the right channel for that, at the current time.
magic jasper
I see
fathom fulcrum
That's not to say we wouldn't consider an art channel at all. But just so you know, that it's not at all out of place in #archived-media
magic jasper
Yeah. Its more about creation than art I think
Which can include music but where the poster is the primary creator kind of like Essen at times
rough violet
The thing I don’t like about posting art and craft in media is that it’s basically drowned in memes and such. Usually nobody commentates on memes etc because it’s not intended to start a conversation. But with art there have been multiple conversations going on that got „ended“ or buried by other media dump.
peak holly
yeah, i don't have a horse in this race but i agree with Milly. It's way easier to just share memes and videos from the internet than making your own stuff so the latter would be buried pretty easily without a space of its own.
cursive mauve
Can we please somehow reiterate that the #german-only voice channel should only be used for German conversation, regardless of skill level? It's a bit of a bummer to go in there only to hear a full-blown English conversation taking place.
fathom fulcrum
@cursive mauve We unfortunately can't force people to use the channels correctly when we're not there. It's really up to the users themselves to either ask people to speak German or to ping a moderator to deal with it if people refuse.
gritty geyser
suggest add a more generic programming/coding group other than python.
obtuse sedgeBOT
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cursive mauve
I only wanted to suggest that because that's what's happening right now
I don't wanna make a big deal out of it tho
cursive mauve
I understand tho
gritty geyser
@fathom fulcrum Science sounds too generic. It could be anything from Chemistry to Astrophysics and doesn't always involve coding.
fathom fulcrum
@gritty geyser Correct. It's for all of those things, including programming.
gritty geyser
@fathom fulcrum Well okay
fathom fulcrum
@cursive mauve Please ping or DM a moderator if you see people breaking the rules anyway.
cursive mauve
Ok, sorry if I used the suggestions incorrectly. I wanted to say something but I didn't wanna make a big fuss or anything @fathom fulcrum
gritty geyser
Nah, you're good, don't worry. We'll think of ways to mitigate the whole issue
fathom fulcrum
@cursive mauve It's fine to make suggestions such as this but I wanted to emphasize that we can't enforce any kind of rules on behaviour that we're not made aware of.
cursive mauve
👌
peak holly
Make botty mcbotface detect spoken languages and ban everyone speaking in English 😤
serene violet
suggest Make a hardcore role, the purpose of the role is you will only be allow to used german. No english or any other language.
Some of the other servers have this role so i don't know if you want to copy them.
obtuse sedgeBOT
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fathom fulcrum
@serene violet Sounds like a really good challenge. But what's the benefit of the role itself?
serene violet
You would have to set it up but the role itself would prevent you from using any other language so it would only allow you to use german.
For example it would delete any thing I said in english.
fathom fulcrum
Wow. How does it know what language you use?
fathom fulcrum
Sure. If you find out how other servers are doing it, I would love to know.
lofty oracle
Maybe the same way google detects languages?
fathom fulcrum
What if you say your name, or if someone asks "How do you say Katze in English?" or something? @lofty oracle 🤔
lofty oracle
First question: "Ich heiße Knots", second question: ask someone else who doesn't have the role to answer their question
I mean, sure, it'd have some problems, but that's why it's hardcore
And it feels like it too
So I like that idea
fathom fulcrum
Oh I see.
peak holly
If there's an open source language detection model available somewhere it wouldn't even be that hard to implement, but it would mean making the bot listen to every message every user with the role posts, which nully might not want to do
static pulsar
suggest I have a deep appreciation for women's bodies, and think the fact that we don't have a nsfw channel is infringing on my abilities to fully appreciate the beautiful anatomy of a woman's physique. Please consider people like me, and install an nsfw channel.
obtuse sedgeBOT
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rough violet
+1
chilly leaf
-1
rough violet
no
chilly leaf
Doch
rough violet
permission denied
peak holly
Weird flex but ok
lofty oracle
Whose
peak holly
The only one present in the current context
sand bramble
Oookay then.
rough violet
static pulsar
:'-(
lime sparrow
The Japanese-English exchange server has such a language detection, you could try to ask there how they do it
peak holly
though tbh with japanese vs. english it's quite easy to do deterministically
the most naïve implementation would be to check whether there is at least one kanji, kana or fixed-width rômaji. That sort of stuff can't work with German vs. English
obtuse sedgeBOT
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gritty geyser
significant load*
peak holly
suggest separate each suggestion a bit more clearly in the output of
>suggest list.
obtuse sedgeBOT
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gritty geyser
whats unclear about it if I may ask?
peak holly
when scanning to find a particular suggestion, it's somewhat hard to see where one ends and one finishes. For example, the best way I have to find suggestions I made is looking for the emoji in my nick. If there were a bit more space (even just a blank line) before the start of each entry, it would be easier to just look for the names because it would be easier to identify where they are at a glance
gritty geyser
I could add a command that displays all suggestions one user has made. >suggest list is not intended to filter out suggestions based on a user. Showing the member who created the suggestion is merely formatting sugar I added
peak holly
right, but that was just an example. The point, as expressed in the suggestion, is that they're kinda squashed together and hard to separate visually. It might also be that i'm browsing to read all suggestions, but then i look away from the screen and then have difficulties finding where i was at because it looks almost like a monolitical wall of text
gritty geyser
them being squashed together is due to how discord handles fields in an embed. The only way of resolving that issue involves moving the By: X addendum to somewhere else which I don't plan on doing. Alternatively, I could turn regular names into actual member mentions but that's as far as I'd go
peak holly
that would work
but can't a blank \n simply be appended to each entry? I think that would also be enough
gritty geyser
each entry is one field and discords strips newlines at the end of fields
unless you mean
from another Germanic language servercontent
\n
author
I'll look into making it a bit clearer next time I work on suggestions related code
obtuse sedgeBOT
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glacial stump
A pinned message in resources with newspapers after how difficult the german is. Not sure how controversial this would be politically, but I just want one sorted for difficulty.
gritty geyser
Please use >suggest. We stopped responding to proposals that don't use our suggestion system
cyan kite
suggest suggestion from carrots A pinned message in resources with newspapers after how difficult the german is. Not sure how controversial this would be politically, but I just want one sorted for difficulty.
obtuse sedgeBOT
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sand bramble
As a semi related fyi the current resource list (channel topic) does include news sites, as per an earlier suggestion and everyone is welcome to suggest more. https://i.imgur.com/YCS1BW6.png
obtuse sedgeBOT
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peak holly
suggest an emoji for/representing denglish.
obtuse sedgeBOT
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civic bolt
suggest duolingo class for the discord server to track progress between members and help the learning process by studying in a team
obtuse sedgeBOT
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gritty geyser
Probably won't happen because we highly discourage members from using duolingo
civic bolt
why ? quite a few people became quite fluent using duolingo @gritty geyser what do you encourage members to use than?
delicate hawk
Any resources that actively make you read.... Write.... Listen..... speak.... And for starting out grammer books and courses from DW like Nicos Weg (amazing course) @civic bolt
fathom fulcrum
@civic bolt Duolingo only allows you to reach A1 (I believe that's the official rating of the course). Fluency is usually considered to be around B2+
lapis shoal
What does A1 and B2 acc mean, I’ve seen it a lot on this discord?
gritty geyser
Type >ex cefr in #botchannel
peak holly
Nobody became fluent with duolingo lol
If they claim that, they're either paid by them, they don't know shit, or they don't even realise most of what they know came from other sources. Or any combination of the above
gritty geyser
suggest Barney emote pretty pls
obtuse sedgeBOT
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sand bramble
The dinosaur?
obtuse sedgeBOT
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gritty geyser
Yes the dinosaur @sand bramble
distant ocean
Any way we could record lessons to have available at a different time? Maybe even if they expired in a week or something.
suggest record lesson sessions to listen to later
obtuse sedgeBOT
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obtuse sedgeBOT
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atomic pilot
suggest make the face of the man in >callum changeable
obtuse sedgeBOT
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civic bolt
suggest german spotify german playlist stories & Podcasts share channel
obtuse sedgeBOT
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civic bolt
doesnt have to be necessarily spotify btw
lime sparrow
it’s called #archived-media and/or #resources
obtuse sedgeBOT
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static pulsar
suggest gayer
obtuse sedgeBOT
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wild aurora
would you mind explaining this @static pulsar
static pulsar
Okay. Be gayer. Have more gay things
wild aurora
like what
static pulsar
Like ur mom
umbral blaze
I can assure you syro and his mom are both very gay
obtuse sedgeBOT
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gritty geyser
suggest add word of the day / sentence of the day
peak holly
iirc there should still be a similar suggestion by me in queue
wild aurora
@gritty geyser commands don't work in edited messages ^^
but yeah as mentioned by berzi there is a similar suggestion already ##93
obtuse sedgeBOT
wild aurora
I'd advice you to try the >word command in #botchannel and maybe check out the writing/translation group though ^^
lapis nymph
@gritty geyser you can also ping me
deep vine
suggest Austrian flag incorporated into server's logo
obtuse sedgeBOT
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lucid ledge
delicate hawk
oh yah, tbh why is german called german and not "austrian"?
hexed halo
😩 I don't know, we need more people that wanna learn austrian
delicate hawk
on april fools change the name of the server to "Austrian learning and Discord Server"
gritty geyser
we already did that once
viscid rune
Hungarian learning and Discord Sever?
obtuse sedgeBOT
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sand bramble
I was not consulted about the Austrian flag suggestion, and I find it shameful that it was rejected. This server needs to acknowledge that we're all actually Austrian.
umbral blaze
Yeah wtf this Server is about as austrian as it is gay
