Change the shade. 
#suggestions
sand bramble
primal anchor
Iunno, this shade works nice with both dark and light for me tbh
gritty geyser
I'll go and have lunch if you need more time
sand bramble
What if we desaturated it a tiny tiny bit?
fathom fulcrum
The desaturated one is more tolerable, yeah.
sand bramble
sth like https://i.imgur.com/cbNTrXQ.png idk
fathom fulcrum
Yeah, it's much better, for sure.
Tho don't change it just for me or anything. I just wanted to mention that I really don't like it. 😄
sand bramble
I wonder how long it takes fozon to kill us all bc we keep telling her to do stuff and then change our mind by the time she's back/done.
fathom fulcrum
Tbh if she wants to go into any kind of design job, this is good practice for the real world.
gritty geyser
okay so the very last version then https://i.imgur.com/lItWjax.png
sand bramble
lmfao
lucid ledge
Buy foxxi food
fathom fulcrum
Love it.
gritty geyser
sorry mistake
primal anchor
Native colours above and below differ.
sand bramble
worst designer :/
lucid ledge
So does Callum likes men
gritty geyser
she knows
primal anchor
But those are nice, albeit Sushi will probs not like that her colour is now that Red she wanted to have less of.
lucid ledge
Admin isn't red?
fathom fulcrum
I actually love this dark green colour. 😄
sand bramble
though if im honest i think this is the best proposal
lucid ledge
sand bramble
lucid ledge
What happened to this
gritty geyser
tbh agreed
sand bramble
Do you all not get that she's memeing?
lucid ledge
No lol
gritty geyser
fuck it we choose arrems version
primal anchor
given different colours and that mods wanted mod/admin colours to be close?
gritty geyser
shes memeing
primal anchor
poor foz
gritty geyser
I think that pink looks okay
fathom fulcrum
Well, the teal might still be too bright but it's hard to tell without seeing it in practice. 🤔
The colour itself is fine though.
sand bramble
As we said, we can demote you for 5 minutes when you're C so you can brag. :^)
gritty geyser
tbh i learnt that you should never forget about people with colorblindness when designing something
so it doesnt feel like waste of time
fathom fulcrum
True. Designing is hard. 🙀
sand bramble
y'all colored now
also fozon you forgot to change the color codes at the bottom
i typed them all in before realizing wtf these don't look like the ones in her pic at all
Anyway, comments?
@crude orbit speak gayman
gritty geyser
lmao xd
peak holly
I think the current colours for A, B and Admin are too contrasted. They look rather bad with dark mode
pastels are bad for colourblind people but I don't think the polar opposite is good either ^^
vale sinew
lol
lime sparrow
I can get behind this
but it’ll take a while to not think I’m suddenly level A
I think it looks pretty good, except admin might be a tad too dark
on dark theme it looks a bit nondistinct
also, what color’s the bot?
say hi
tex hi
aw, deactivated here?
literally invisible, I like it
for ref
peak holly
why make it so long if it's intended to be invisible and only show the [bot] tag?
lime sparrow
oh it has the same name as always
lucid ledge
its not lol
sand bramble
The bot's a consequence of me memeing.
Yo brilliant idea.
Remember how y'all wanted green? We make the bot green.
sand bramble
calman absolutely fucked
peak holly
except the bot role is lower priority than the meme one lol
peak holly
nvm ^^
peak holly
what about non-meme objections like what I said about A, B and Admin colours?
gritty geyser
I do agree that while these may not be the best choice, we couldn't really come up with anything that wouldnt put colour blind people at a disatvantage
peak holly
just make these a tad less saturated
lime sparrow
Admin isn’t high contrast at all on my pc, pretty much the opposite rather
A is a bit rather bright, I agree
and B too, I guess
peak holly
I saw the Admin colour change slightly just now – if it was intentional then now it looks quite fine. If it wasn't then it must have been discord rendering memeing up, which has happened before to me
gloomy lance
What exactly are the criteria for being a disadvantage to colour blind people?
gritty geyser
http://www.visibone.com/color/card_800.gif heres a reference chart with mappings
peak holly
depends on the type of colourblindness, there's several kinds.
gloomy lance
i was gonna say - there are many different kinds of color blindness, there will always be some color combination that is hard to see for one of them
gritty geyser
red <-> green is one of the more common ones, iirc
wild aurora
oh god admin looks awful on pc
gritty geyser
compared to achromatopsia for example
gloomy lance
yes, we could settle on red-green
gritty geyser
@wild aurora https://i.imgur.com/hTfVNqu.png use light theme
wild aurora
what a perfidious plan @sand bramble 😒
gritty geyser
honestly just write it all down in a list
gloomy lance
write what down?
gritty geyser
colour suggestions, I suppose
gloomy lance
well, then i'll make one too
tbh, let's just change it every day so everyone can be happy at some point
sand bramble
+1
sand bramble
Every day the bot assigns completely random colors to all the roles.
gritty geyser
but i like it 
sand bramble
Actually make it every 20 minutes.
gloomy lance
and then we can make a cool graph about the probability that two people have written something with the same color
peak holly
I don't dislike Nemo's suggestion but I have two buts:
gloomy lance
Learning German might be too dark
peak holly
- Learning german should be very mild and undesirable (see lengthy discussion from earlier). I'd make it grey just to distinguish it from no role white.
- I think mods and admins should be more similar in colour, and orange for mod is too similar to yellow for native despite the two being unrelated. I'd just have mod and admin be different shades of red.
lime sparrow
Nemo’s suggestion is more or less what I had in mind, the only issue with it that I have is serki’s 1
really
tho having A suddenly be blue is gonna be confusing
gloomy lance
makes sense to me, lemme see if i can figure out something similar - (give me like an hour, because i'm doing it on Paint )
lime sparrow
alternatively
swap the entire A to native sequence
with A being yellow and native blue
and make mods like idk purple
and learning german that sand color from before or sth
mossy gulch
Honestly if we keep discussing this doubting can go on forever. Shouldn't we first try this scheme for a few days?
lime sparrow
wait you don’t want it to go on forever?
idle remnant
just wanted to mention, that my eyes hurt when I see the new color of the admins. imo it doesn't play well at all with the gray background ;P
peak holly
ah yes Sascha makes a good point about A. Personally I would at least swap A and B
gritty geyser
@idle remnant fix the colorblindness problem then
peak holly
yeah Haub I complained about that too ^^
and it happens for B as well, and to a lesser extent A
peak holly
not on my screen ;)
idle remnant
it's not perfect for me as well, but it's not that bad as with this deep red of the admins
It's almost unreadable, sorry.
another problem, A is now quite similar to B ;P
peak holly
^
but I find the admin more readable than B
anyway the summary is: the current colours suck!1!11
lapis nymph
revert colours!!!
idle remnant
also, the ones on the picture are different than these that I see ;P
sand bramble
This is literally the definition of bikeshedding. When have we ever spent this much time discussing a topic that's actually important?
gritty geyser
you suck tbh
idle remnant
or the problem is, text on picture is bold, while the nicknames here aren't
sand bramble
yeah i suck for liking and defending your color scheme smhhhhhhhhhh worst friend
idle remnant
can the nicknames be bold?
sand bramble
No.
peak holly
"your color scheme"? The current one is not much like what Foxxo originally proposed and ended up being approved is it?
gritty geyser
- Learning german should be very mild and undesirable (see lengthy discussion from earlier). I'd make it grey just to distinguish it from no role white.
- I think mods and admins should be more similar in colour, and orange for mod is too similar to yellow for native despite the two being unrelated. I'd just have mod and admin be different shades of red.
- we fucking discussed it
- mods and admins are so because of COLOR BLINDNESS COMPLAINTS, who the fuck cares about them being a bit orangy or not
sand bramble
The current one was her proposal as well.
gritty geyser
no arenk u ma best fren
sand bramble
aw tnx fam
peak holly
who the fuck cares if admin and mod colours aren't much distinguishable, that was the point of them being similar in the first place lol
gritty geyser
wtf is wrong with you berzi
sand bramble
I'd say they're pretty distinguishable. 🤔
peak holly
💢
idle remnant
Anyway, it sucks for me. It seems it's time to apply some custom stylesheet ;P
gloomy lance
peak holly
I like nemos better
lucid ledge
you forgot the bot colour nemo
peak holly
even if he didn't listen to my objections
lucid ledge
god lets just have people submit pallettes then have a vote
gloomy lance
made Learning German more pink -> everybody hates pink
made Moderator more reddish -> more like Admin
peak holly
fair
lucid ledge
and then whenever people start shit we go back and point to the results
sand bramble
god let's just all poke our eyes out and we'll only talk in the voice channels
peak holly
you're assuming the majority is right by definition
lucid ledge
ahaha
gloomy lance
did you just assume my majority?
lucid ledge
serki, the majority IS right because then the majority doesnt complain
peak holly
that is not a very well thought-out statement hecke
peak holly
the majority and the minority don't have the same visibility or will to complain
and those are not proportional to how many of them there are
lucid ledge
so those who protest the most should get what they want?
peak holly
no, but what you just said means you base the decision on how to minimise complaints
idle remnant
this color sucks on this background, meiner Meinung nach
gloomy lance
i mean, i like discussions about electoral systems, but this doesn't help us with finding a color pallette rn 
lucid ledge
werent my intention, I thought it would be clearer n I apologize for that
what I'm saying is that, whatever is chosen, not everyone will be happy
sand bramble
I suppose admin is a bit too dark for the dark memers.
gloomy lance
you don't have to, i just wanted to get back to the topic 😅
idle remnant
really, it'd fit better when the font were bold. if it's impossible - then it sucks
lucid ledge
arguably, what makes the most people happy is better
peak holly
honestly the bottom line problem is that you guys are assuming that to avoid problems for colour blind users, only super-saturated colours will do. Which is not true
peak holly
the fact remains. Colour blind people don't see 3 colours total, nor do they only see either 0 or 100% saturation
lucid ledge
your point stands that there are a multitude of possibilities but finding a combination of ones that go together is quite difficult as fox would tell you
lime sparrow
tbh I'd be completely fine with the current ones if we just made AB a bit less bright and Admin a bit less dark (may neccesitate a change in Mod)
like the scheme is as good as any
idle remnant
I can't really explain it, but when I look on the admin nicknames right now, at least on my standard DPI display, it almost literally flickers for me. It's really disturbing
I wear glasses and I think the reason may be slightly different aberration in both lenses (different angle of looking through both of them)
cause when I close one eye, it looks better
fathom fulcrum
I think I remember someone saying something once about that being some error with Discord? But I don't know myself.
peak holly
there's a weird glitch from tiem to time but these colours have looked pretty consistent on my screen
idle remnant
I don't mean the color changes. I mean, the combination of these two colors (this dark red + background grey) + thin letters give me illusion of a movement
somehow
;P
maybe because when my eyes move, the aberration in the lenses cause it to look like if it were moving or sth... not sure
wild aurora
the old colours did the same for me
safe bridge
Maybe the native color should at least be a German color? Thought that was the point of them being gold
lime sparrow
the only color in all DACH flags (+also Luxembourg, Liechtenstein and Belgium) would be red
but red's a bit on the nose
near hamlet
What if we build a bot that collects given words from everyone, translate them, and store them in a spreadsheet.
Everyone will be able to download the sheet at anytime.
idle remnant
what's the point of the bot and how it's different from a dictionary bzw. a frequency list?
near hamlet
I learn better when I'm learning from a list, and I'm sure there are other people like me.
And the good thing about this is we all made that list together.
idle remnant
then just make a shared spreadsheet on Google docs and ask people to add their words
why do you need a bot for that?
crude orbit
what's to stop me adding words that aren't real?
near hamlet
I thought about this, maybe only people with a certain role can add words
or use some kind of algorithm to figure whether a word it real or not
wild aurora
just ping @lapis nymph 50 times a day
lapis nymph
who dareth
crude orbit
I mean tbh you'd only need to ping him like 13-15 times a day
idle remnant
if you want some fancy words, you can always play the ">word" game
word
(doesn't work here 😦 )
try in #botchannel, it's really funny 😄
ashen zenith
Make muted black instead of red bc currently it's red that's slightly different from current mod and admin roles
If that makes sense
sand bramble
Lol sure memeboy.
gritty geyser
lucid ledge
looks like it would eat my children
unkempt socket
I mean, we have spongman colmo emotes so why shouldn't there be a Loller emote?
lofty oracle
We do?
crude orbit
@sand bramble @gritty geyser yes +1 :mmloller: biddö
Every minute we don't have it from now shall be a minute of Dutch in allgemein
gritty geyser
lmao
sand bramble
We can add it when you play some spongdbob for me.
sand bramble
Sure. Give me 5 minutes to get out of bed.
sand bramble
No u.
Give me spanmbbarb.
also @gritty geyser i made the exact same thing an hour ago lmfao
wild aurora
now kiss
gritty geyser
hi
molten elm
Maybe have a channel for only german music? I'd love to listen to more music in german but I find it quite hard to find songs I like and the media channel is pretty filled with other types of medias ^^
crude orbit
molten elm
Ah okay 
I like the word of the day suggestion as well
Or well there's a lot of good suggestions already
lime sparrow
from the list:
Flags of German “Bundesländer”, Swiss Cantons and Austria as emojis
one of these isn’t like the others
sand bramble
Lmao thanks, will fix.
sand bramble
yeah, u xD
molten elm
I know some servers have a pet-pictures channel and I have a lot of cute videos I'd like to share of my animals
stark veldt
make a gay role for callum
crude orbit
You'd like to share media of animals?
molten elm
Yes
molten elm
Haha alright
gritty geyser
its a sign 
crude orbit
it's a sign you should stop charging your phone
gritty geyser
that's a discord bug, sadly
dawn sigil
a ß emoji
lime sparrow
literally exists 
I gave them a good-looking ẞ one a while back but it wasn't added
dawn sigil
Oh my bad I didn't see ^^
sand bramble
is technically not ß.
lime sparrow
shh it doesn't have a descender so it's ß, not β
gritty geyser
sand bramble
Alright I'll fix it when I'm home. Beta must be beta.
warm canyon
you need to add ß then
sand bramble
Denied.
lime sparrow
or ẞ
lapis nymph
I think it might be nice if the bot deletes the message that invoked it too, when you press the stop button. Probably also only when you press the stop button to avoid confusion.
lime sparrow
oh while we’re at bot suggestions: might it be possible to have some optional argument for the tex command that makes it not delete the source code?
gritty geyser
@lime sparrow why though? The source code gets attached with the bot response
lime sparrow
how do I access it?
obtuse sedgeBOT
lime sparrow
oh
gritty geyser
Click "view source code"
lime sparrow
well I never said anything
gritty geyser
:^)
raw finch
A channel for expressions, maybe for an "expression of the week". (Note: NOT "word of the day" which was already denied)
primal anchor
Suggestion: would it be possible to add some sort of grammar exercises either to corresponding >ex entries or separately?
fathom fulcrum
Do you mean links to practice resources? Or creating new ones?
primal anchor
I mean, if easiest is links, then probably links, to not redo the same work?
fathom fulcrum
Sure, I'm just clarifying what you're asking for specifically. You want that practice resources are collected and presented, grouped by topic, through the faq system?
primal anchor
What I honestly want is a way to immediately follow the faqs with exercise in some form. Sorry, I really don't know which way would be best. Links to corresponding practice things sound to me like easiest way to implement it, but, like, I don't have something specific in mind, sorry.
peak holly
a command for faq creators could be made to link exercises to a particular FAQ and the bot could send a second message after the FAQ linking those exercises, if any exists
it seems like a good idea to develop further
lucid ledge
nobody uses >word though 
primal anchor
I do, sometimes, when I've got nothing to do
lapis nymph
@primal anchor would you want something like practice questions to translate that use the concept?
Perhaps with answers somewhere too, or the person could simply post their answers and get rated
lofty oracle
I think the name of the channel "learning" could be more intuitive
Like "questions!" or something
I always see people asking questions in other channels like practice
And not knowing what 'learning' is for
(dunno if this has already been talked about but anyway)
lapis nymph
It is a known problem. I think the name of that particular channel is okay, it's rather the other channels that may be unclear. It's true that "learning" is practically a question and answers channel so maybe your name would be nice.
peak holly
I agree that the channel's name could be better. "Learning" is too generic, it's confusing because it kinda seems to imply that the rest of the server is somewhat less about learning than it, it doesn't suggest that that's the place to ask questions about the language, and it may give the impression (and there are examples of this happening quite regularly) that it's simply a place for "people who are learning" to chat
a change to simply "questions" would be most effective imo. We have it like that on the Italian server and it works well enough. ALso I don't see any reason against it, but I'm open if anyone thinks differently about it.
raw finch
Have...has anybody seen my suggestion or did it go under? 😄
gritty geyser
yeah we saw your expression suggestion. We're sorry for the lack of comments in regard to some of these proposals. We're working on improving the way we handle and respond to them in the future
raw finch
Okay 😄 Not being mad or anything, just wanted to make sure since nobody said "Okay, we saw it" 😄
fathom fulcrum
The channel name "questions" might imply that if you have questions about the server or anything else, you should ask there.
lofty oracle
Even if it's within the channel group "learning/unterricht"?
fathom fulcrum
Yeah, Knots, I feel like if people aren't able to read a channel topic, they're probably not able to recognize that there are categories.
peak holly
The channel name "questions" might imply that if you have questions about the server or anything else, you should ask there.
I see your point, but how often would those off-topic questions pop up compared to how often (non-)language related discussion that is by all means off-topic does come up?
fathom fulcrum
Hard to say.
peak holly
we are at least certain one of the two occurs quite often ;)
gritty geyser
Tbh, off-topic convos in #questions happen so often lately 😩😩 but i have no idea how to improve that so 🤷♀️
lofty oracle
-whispering- chaaaange the channel's naaaaaame...
gritty geyser
Yeah, you should change it to “pls go to allgemein for idle chatting thx”
idle remnant
#questions is anyway in "learning / Unterricht" group - so renaming it to "questions" shouldn't cause misunderstandings
vast rover
Wort des Tages?
gritty geyser
ex proposals
obtuse sedgeBOT
gritty geyser
#german-in the-wild channel
wtf is this
fathom fulcrum
Not sure but it probably means examples of real-life German that people encounter.
sand bramble
Yeah it's a thing Borz posted about a month ago.
The idea was that you'd post pictures of German you se irl. I then memed on him by posting a pic of some random magazine from the U-Bahn.
gritty geyser
lol tfw even berzi didnt know what it was
sand bramble
A better idea would be a channel for posting pics of 0x1 in a forest. Call it something like #german-in-the-wild
gritty geyser
👀
primal anchor
As long as it's not #germans-gone-wild, it seems reasonable.
lucid ledge
I'd like both
primal anchor
#nsfw channel is aldready in google doc of suggestions
lucid ledge
wow I didnt say anything about nsfw :/
lucid ledge
it was just going to be germans camping and singing in the forest danil
primal anchor
🤔
lucid ledge
just because you're feeling particularly horny doesnt mean you take it out on us 😤
primal anchor
😔
alas, my dastardly and perverted plot to take my horniness out on you has been thwarted by this brave doggo
lucid ledge
lime sparrow
perhaps to chime in on the discussion from a few days ago about the channel names, how about some more descriptive names such as:
#questions-{1/2…} (if multiple could be wanted) (←learning)
#lessons, possibly moved to voice channels categories (←unterricht)
#beginner-german-room-{1/2…} (←practice; I don’t think multiple are ever gonna be needed but hey who knows)
#writing-pinwall & #writing-feedback (this is a suggestion I made a while ago that I think went under: basically it’s nice to have a separate place for posting the things you want corrected, and for people to give feedback, so things don’t get lost so easily).
Questions channels could also be moved to their own category perhaps but again not really necessary
I do think #questions would be a much better name, and #lessons is problematic because new people here often don’t know any german, so the german name is confusing
idle remnant
Ein Vorschlag von mir: alle Leute bannen, die die anderen dazu zwingen, Fraktur zu lesen
lime sparrow
Gegenvorschlag: den Bot alle Nachrichten in Fraktur konvertieren lassen
raw finch
Sütterlin
idle remnant
Vorschlag zur Versöhnung: eine Spendensammlung für Augenärzte bzw. Psychiater für alle Leute, die hier zum Frakturlesen gezwungen wurden.
sweet ocean
@lapis nymph can somebody explain to me, why i was banned?
lapis nymph
you were not banned, otherwise you would not be in this server. You were blocked for now from #german-only
gloomy lance
Du wurdest nicht gebannt, du wurdest vom Kanal #german-only geblockt, weil du dich respektlos den anderen darin verhalten hast und dich der Lernatmosphäre gegenüber destruktiv verhalten hast @sweet ocean
Und das nach mehrmaligem Aufruf, dies zu unterbinden
sweet ocean
ja, gut^^ sry, ich werde mich in Zukunft anders verhalten.
Das Thema empfand ich einfach als sehr wichtig.
gloomy lance
Das rechtfertigt aber nicht deine Verhaltensweise.
sweet ocean
Ich habe keine Rechtertigung. Ich werde mich einfach in Zukunft anders verhalten.
Ich hoffe, dass das ausreicht.
"""
Haubentaucher📑⬇finde die Fehler⬇heute um 21:32 Uhr
die Anfänger sollen sowieso nicht ___ in einen Ort kommen___, dessen Namen sie nicht verstehen"""
"in einen Ort kommen." Das war falsch, ich wollte darauf aufmerksam machen, aber dann haben welche behauptet, ich läge damit falsch. Ich hätte natürlich dann nicht so aufbrausend reagieren sollen.
unkempt socket
Weil man in diesem Fall ja auch Die Anfänger kommen sowieso nicht an einen Ort, dessen Namen sie nicht verstehen sagt. 
sweet ocean
Darf ich also wieder zurück? auf Only german?
gritty geyser
can we divide online people on the sidebar under the bot into c, b and a categories? i wanna see the new victims of my questions c people
lucid ledge
can we put the natives and cs on the bottom so suzu has to scroll everytime
gritty geyser
i just wouldnt search for them tbh
sand bramble
Was discussed and turned down before so people don't give themselves roles they don't deserve just to be in a cool meme club.
gritty geyser
what cool meme club
gritty geyser
😩 but we need to see online Cs 😩 😩
how about mods just give out c roles themselves, you guys already do it most of the time anyways 😩
sand bramble
Just pretend everyone is a C.
gloomy lance
oh god no
gritty geyser
no way, you dont even speak german arrem 😒
sand bramble
no u
gritty geyser
Im still waiting for your solution smh
unkempt socket
I'm working on a solushun 😩
lucid ledge
I dont like the changes please change them :(
lime sparrow
I mean the Community category is nice... or would be if it had more content. but as-is it seems a bit unnecessary
now if there was like idk a food channel and a whateverelsepeoplewanted channel
perhaps it'd make sense then
gritty geyser
there is a food channel and a whateverpeoplewanted channel, youre just not subbed to them
for those who are subbed, it reduces the clutter to have an extra category
lime sparrow
why was I not informed of this
gritty geyser
groups
obtuse sedgeBOT
lucid ledge
@gritty geyser speakinglads
lime sparrow
oh it's a fricking temp channel not a role, why
lime sparrow
Also, question: there's no more allgemein2, how to handle parallel convos
lofty oracle
Or a new one?
gritty geyser
check #announcements
lime sparrow
I did, which is why I asked
gritty geyser
#general and #general-2 retain their use, we just chose to put more emphasis on the german aspect
lime sparrow
allgemein2 used to be "move here if allgemein is crowded", now it's got a german spin to it
which makes it not-so-great to e.g. move an off-topic discussion from #learning there
well, #questions
gritty geyser
#general-2 is not meant to restrict the topic or language in any way
lime sparrow
so where should we move if we veer off-topic?
gritty geyser
just give it a try and see how it plays out, this is a recent change and we havent had time to review it yet
lime sparrow
Your announcement makes it sound like it's meant for people to go there if they feel like chatting in german without the pressure of being in #german-only
cause it's okay to go to english if it's too hard and what not
all im aaying is idk how to act in these new channels
And why is food a group and not a role?
the whole system with roles and groups is super inconsistent and I'd like to request a streamlining
lofty oracle
Good point
There are only two hidden channels accessible via roles
and the rest is through groups
Not sure if there's a reason for that though
gritty geyser
because groups were made after gaming and science
and i dont really understand why it matters lmao
atomic pilot
transfer gaming and science to a group or all the others to roles
lime sparrow
its confusing for me who's been here a few mobths now and has tried to figure out how this servwr runs. I can't even imagine how confusing this is to someone inexperienced with discord
atomic pilot
inconsistency just confuses people
atomic pilot
who reads info channels ngl
lime sparrow
I do
lime sparrow
I did when I joined and immediatelt had to complain that it didn't explain most things
and left me confused
I have not reread it since
And it looks like it has more stuff in it now
atomic pilot
i didnt find groups in it tho
lime sparrow
but it doesn't look easy to find info you need in it
atomic pilot
then they better hurry or fix the problem otherwise
lofty oracle
It's been a while since they said that
gritty geyser
@gritty geyser in community
lofty oracle
Weird, I only see the first one
lucid ledge
3/6 groups
lofty oracle
Oh.
lime sparrow
I am in 3 groups or so, just the wronf ones it seems
gritty geyser
lame @sand bramble
lofty oracle
Is there any info on that grammar group?
Is that a hidden channel for people to discuss grammar?
gritty geyser
its for when pferdo organises grammar sessions
lofty oracle
Oh, that
lucid ledge
@lime sparrow do you mind if I asked when your birthday is
lucid ledge
you couldnt just tlel me eh
lime sparrow
nop I couldn't tell you it's in August
and definitely not that it's on the 21st
And it would be ridiculous to tell you my birth year (btw i'm 22)
lucid ledge
danke dir
sterile ether
a 'what I learned today' subforum. 1) reinforces said knowledge 2) shares with other learners who might not have had the same epihany yet
fathom fulcrum
This isn't a rejection of your suggestion or anything, but worth mentioning; you're always welcome to, and in fact encouraged to, share your learning experiences in any of the general discussion channels.
sterile ether
okey will do
idle remnant
Ein Vorschlag: #german-only zu #nur-deutsch umbenennen, um es klar zu machen, dass die Mischungen mit den anderen Sprachen (bestimmt dieser) auf keinen Fall erlaubt sind!
sand bramble
Ich verstehe nicht ganz was du damit meinst. 🤔
https://i.imgur.com/LrwBKpN.png
idle remnant
Das überrascht mich nicht, du läufst sowieso am Leben vorbei 😏
(und hast Discord auf Englisch dazu.... wie peinlich...)
ooh, toll, jetzt sehe ich auch 😄
bester Admin aller Zeit! 😄 😄 😄 😄
raw finch
Zeiten* 😉
boreal mirage
XD
nocturne reef
just want to get this one out:
i fucking hate being addressed as memer in the announcements. i mean if you wanted people to meme create them a channel already and declare this a meme server, but else i'm just offended
@lapis nymph @sand bramble
lapis nymph
okay
sand bramble
This is not and will never be a meme server, but being rude about things won't get you anywhere, memer.
nocturne reef
i don't think i was rude
lapis nymph
I guess I will stick to boring "everyone" next annoucement
can't even call memers memers ;'(
gritty geyser
:^)
nocturne reef
thanks pferd
gritty geyser
I'll stick to maimaiers then :^) @nocturne reef
nocturne reef
why are admins so funny q_q
sand bramble
I live and breathe memes, sorry. 😔
jagged night
There should be roles for countries
lucid ledge
that'd be hundreds of roles that every mod would have to sort through
peak holly
even if they were automated through the bot, I can't see why they should exist. Can't you just ask/annotate where a user is from, if you care?
lucid ledge
Good point idk who would care
sand bramble
I use notes to remember where people come from, pastaman and tealady.
lime sparrow
if you wanna tell people where you're from, check out my nickname
native languages would make sense, but again, lots of effort
gritty geyser
Just put your flag in your name like sascha
low spindle
that is only visible on mobile though
peak holly
I always thought his name was Saschach
gritty geyser
@low spindle it also works on windows and MacOS unless your PC has <= win 7
low spindle
okay my bad :)
gritty geyser
No worries
fathom fulcrum
Or if you're cursed with perpetual technology failure like Berzi.
peak holly
:D
lofty oracle
I also see a CH
gloomy lance
Win 10 doesn't support flag emojis natively
in some versions it does apparently, but i can't see flag emojis on my desktop apps either
lime sparrow
@peak holly not Saffach or Sassach or sth?
peak holly
Who do you think I am, a savage that doesn't know ipa? Pls
lime sparrow
or Sa integral integral ach
deft ember
double integral a
jagged night
Maybe there should be some kind of hard rule to discourage people from asking people to do their homework for them?
wild aurora
Well you won‘t be able to enforce a rule like that
Besides most of us usually just encourage them to give it a try first or we don‘t respond at all to such a request so
¯_(ツ)_/¯
fathom fulcrum
The kind of people who ask us to do their homework are generally not the kind of people who read the rules.
obtuse sedgeBOT
peak holly
if anything you could encourage people who like to give answers to not answer if someone just wants their homework done for them
subtle cape
suggest VC for German music to learn passively/in background
I'll put this here cause bot is broken
lofty oracle
I suggest fixing the bot
fickle bloom
atomic pilot
np
strong rapids
gritty geyser
the command should work now, I forgot to unignore this channel :^)
peak holly
^wasn't this step taken several times actually? :D
gritty geyser
nah
peak holly
suggestion test the bot
gritty geyser
its suggest
peak holly
suggest testing the bot
obtuse sedgeBOT
Thank you, your suggestion has been submitted!
peak holly
:D
obtuse sedgeBOT
Thank you, your suggestion has been submitted!
peak holly
suggest put
>suggeston top of the #suggestions channel
obtuse sedgeBOT
Thank you, your suggestion has been submitted!
@peak holly, your suggestion has been answered:
thanks
(Suggestion: https://discordapp.com/channels/221708975698083841/258608634575978496/516231289226133547)
lucid ledge
rofl
peak holly
I feel really appreciated for my feedback and I therefore believe to be part of this community.
crude orbit
suggest meme channel?
obtuse sedgeBOT
Thank you, your suggestion has been submitted!
obtuse sedgeBOT
@crude orbit, your suggestion has been answered:
only when callum is banned
(Suggestion: https://discordapp.com/channels/221708975698083841/258608634575978496/516248269551173670)
crude orbit
It should say who answered it tbh
raw finch
suggest The bot should say who answered it
obtuse sedgeBOT
Thank you, your suggestion has been submitted!
raw finch
¯_(ツ)_/¯
sand bramble
Do note that abusing the command will get you blacklisted.
raw finch
I'm sorry, but I think it's a good suggestion nonetheless because he in fact has a point there.
I just used your tool to submit a seriously meant suggestion like you wanted it to be used for.
gritty geyser
I think he meant callum
raw finch
Oh okay, than it's a misunderstanding. My bad, sorry.
drowsy orchid
gritty geyser
ex proposals
obtuse sedgeBOT
obtuse sedgeBOT
@peak holly, your suggestion has been answered:
Approved
(Suggestion: https://discordapp.com/channels/221708975698083841/258608634575978496/516231392644825099)
sand bramble
.>suggest make people actually read the channel topic as if anyone ever does that.
lucid ledge
unban p33po bidde
sand bramble
after midnight
lucid ledge
bidde 
lavish shoal
suggest french general so i can be free
obtuse sedgeBOT
Thank you, your suggestion has been submitted!
obtuse sedgeBOT
@lavish shoal, your suggestion has been answered:
Accepted. French general now exists and it's called [#other-languages](/guild/221708975698083841/channel/227515495375437824/). 
(Suggestion: https://discordapp.com/channels/221708975698083841/258608634575978496/517667162568130592)
peak holly
I think that suggestion of showing who answers suggestions is unnecessary because you can just tell when arrem does it
ashen zenith
.>suggest the suggestion showing who answers suggestions is unnecessary because you can just tell when arrem does it
sand bramble
suggest please don't put the response in a code block wtf you ruin my channel links and emotes.
obtuse sedgeBOT
Thank you, your suggestion has been submitted!
peak holly
why not an embed, in fact? It would probably be easy from there to incorporate the tag for the suggester in a more pleasing way, and also the name of the answerer
and the link to the original suggestion
suggestion make the suggestion answer an embed because it's betta that way. Also you can put links and tags there more aesthetically
... fuck
suggest make the suggestion answer an embed because it's betta that way. Also you can put links and tags there more aesthetically
obtuse sedgeBOT
Thank you, your suggestion has been submitted!
gritty geyser
Jump links don't work in embeds
peak holly
discord is lame
primal anchor
yeah, lets go back to IRC
magic jasper
Your suggestion needs to be thusly formatted: >suggest let's go back to IRC
crude orbit
we actually have an irc
sand bramble
Yes.
unkempt socket
suggest how about we stop using >suggest to meme around
gritty geyser
suggest How about a channel specifically for users studying abroad in Germany, working, vacationing, working an internship, currently living, etc. Basically a channel for people to talk about their experiences with school/work/life/homestay families in Germany, a place to give tips to those who plan to follow in their footsteps, and overall make it easier to read that info without it getting lost in #general
obtuse sedgeBOT
Thank you, your suggestion has been submitted!
sand bramble
That's #archived-culture-study-visa.
gritty geyser
T_T
sand bramble
I'm serious so I would like an explanation or a response a bit more detailed than a T_T, if possible. 😛
gritty geyser
Haha
I mean what else is there to say? T_T is my response for a sadly realized “oh”.
Thanks for the channel directory?
sand bramble
Alright. I just thought you might have wanted something else that I didn't consider.
obtuse sedgeBOT
@gritty geyser, your suggestion has been answered:
Denied. Explanation provided by mod
(Suggestion: https://discordapp.com/channels/221708975698083841/258608634575978496/517875643921203227)
obtuse sedgeBOT
@sand bramble, your suggestion has been answered:
@peak holly, your suggestion has been answered:
@raw finch, your suggestion has been answered:
tacit dagger
I just spent skimming through this chat from August. I joined here sometime at the beginning of the year.
I want to join some stuff, but never felt like I understand how it really works. I did ask one or two times and answer was swamped with random trolling stuff
So actually, I'm peeking here from time to time hoping I'll finally understand how those lesson/unterricht channels really work.
I would get notifications, but it still wasn't clear to me WHERE I have to go.
And I'm the person who reads info and pinned messages, and I reread now info, and honestly, I still don't find it useful about how really this server is used.
I THINK that reading hours happens after someone makes the announcement, however, I still am not sure where to show up.
So basically, to me this server looks like closed group, and maybe highly extroverts feel at home here, however, for us who need some information, it cannot be found.
Granted, I may missed it, but doesn't that show how it is in the wrong place?
I see that you are occupied with. mods colors, proposals about dozens of new channels, bots for word of the day, and everything that just tells me - we're thinking only about current members, and not about new people.
That's my comment. My question is - will lessons in any form be explained and at least some schedule ideas told, and what are those groups anyway?
Or, maybe I'm wrong, this is for young people who don't work or have other obligations except school, so they can be here whenever, without any planning... then I'm in the wrong place, unfortunately without knowing that :)
please, enlighten me :)
lucid ledge
every single member here has obligations, surprisingly the mods too. The sessions are every weekend with Pferd, one of the mods, unless he states so otherwise, and he will usually ping people a half hour or so before every session, for which you would need to be subscribed to the group, for which it shows you how to do so under every announcement. For other members, some can decide to hold spur of the moment sessions, some a day in advance, some a week in advanced. To know you just need to look in #lessons regularly. Its not so chaotic because the server is unorganized, but rather its so unorganized because nobody is being asked or paid to hold them. Its all voluntary. Because other people, people such as yourself, have lives too.
The channels you need to be paying attention to are #lessons and the voice channel, also appropriately called lessons
tacit dagger
@lucid ledge thanks, when I asked some months ago then lessons weren't regular, at least that was what I was told
I think it would help many new members if you put this answer into the info channel
it certainly helped me :)
thank you
wild aurora
#282831147942281216 is currently being reworked
fathom fulcrum
It is worth mentioning as well that it's hard for us to accommodate people who don't feel comfortable engaging with the server themselves. I do understand it can be difficult, confusing or that people can be nervous when trying to participate. There's just not an easy/straight-forward way for us to fix that problem; the only practical solution is for the people who are confused to ask questions or talk to people.
So if anyone finds themselves lost or unsure, you are always welcome to ask. You can DM a moderator or ask in #general .
sand bramble
Or in case of being pinged in a channel about a lesson, ping the person who pinged you back and ask if you're unsure where to go. Although lessons take place in the channel where the ping was issued.
lapis nymph
@tacit dagger Lessons always take in place in #lessons and its associated voice channel. If you asked a few months ago, when the lessons were held, then you would have been told correctly there is no real schedule. That still holds somewhat true, but now I try to do them every weekend around 16:00-18:00 CET for 1-2 hours. Since I am the only one doing them and there is no certainty if I will do them, there is no schedule.
I see you are part of the Reading group. When I or someone else pings that group, then we usually say when the lesson will begin.
tacit dagger
@fathom fulcrum yeah, I get that, when I asked back then, several people would mock around, only one person said something, but I didn't catch up how it works
I would be pinged, saw that message from the bot, and have no clue when and where is something happening
lapis nymph
Otherwise please use the server to ask #questions or post #writing to get it corrected. As people have said, there can really be no consistent schedule to things because we all have obligations, etc. I work, so I do not have the energy to do it during the week.
fathom fulcrum
Oh I understand. Sorry if people weren't helpful though. That too is something difficult for us to manage. 😄
lapis nymph
People always say when in the pings; where is not said, I grant you that.
fathom fulcrum
But I just wanted to put that message out there so you and also anyone else reading knows they are welcome to ask.
tacit dagger
@lapis nymph thanks again!
hm, but where it says something about the lesson? I never saw the time
lapis nymph
If you want serious answers, then you are welcome to ping one of the mods. We can't really prevent the others giving nonsensical answers unfortunately.
it doesn't say that anywhere at the moment because I don't want to commit to something I cannot guarantee. I suppose I could highlight that. Regardless, we are going to rework #282831147942281216 one of these days and it will probably be stated there.
Otherwise please ask me; I do them and I know the others who do them.
I am the only one with a "schedule" though, the others do them when they can.
For that you will be pinged.
tacit dagger
@lapis nymph ok, when I check lessons channel, I see that big ping message from the bot, and that's it - nothing above or below about what's happening, when or where, only some talk from members
that's what's confusing me, and I don't know if I'm looking at the right place? under lessons
@lapis nymph redoing the info would be awesome
also this stuff about groups, now I've learned that grammar group exists
gritty geyser
It’s always said when the lessons are held ^
lapis nymph
- Just show up in #lessons and its associated voice channel. At the promised time, people should start to gather, at least the host will be there.
- The host gives you 1-3 sentences to read out loud. Others will correct your pronunciation if needed. After that, you may translate the sentence(s). If you find it too difficult, that's fine, you can pass it onto someone else.
- The level is usually highlighted in the ping. We use the CEFR scheme here. I do that at least, others may simply say "beginner" etc.
- Not really. I try to do it every weekend in the afternoon. I will ping people some time before it begins to give them some warning. Other hosts will do the same, but they have no schedule. Only when they can.
it should always be there
@tacit dagger I will ping everyone now (holding a lesson today anyway) and tell me if you see it.
tacit dagger
@gritty geyser and @lapis nymph thank you so much once again, I can even see stuff retroactively! no wonder why I was so confused when important stuff wasn't shown 🤣
gritty geyser
I'm glad it's working now
tacit dagger
@gritty geyser you have no idea! it's revelation! I finally can read whole help and it all makes sense
maybe you want to put that in new info 🤣
who knows how many people were also lost but didn't stick for so long in hope one day they'll figure it out :)
lofty oracle
suggest Maybe have posts in stargazing be linked to their original messages just like the new suggestions in this channel? Sometimes the context is needed...
obtuse sedgeBOT
Thank you, your suggestion has been submitted!
lofty oracle
I know, this is really important
obtuse sedgeBOT
@lofty oracle, your suggestion has been answered:
stiff zinc
Maybe a channel which all can see but only natives can talk in? This way people can see people speaking German without mistakes that might be made in nur deutsch. I do see more problems with this than good things though but maybe still?
fathom fulcrum
I understand your idea, but main problem with that: natives still make a lot of mistakes and they also use a lot of colloquialisms and dialect. Easier for you to just read a novel for "correct German".
Plus it's a bit zoo-like and forces other people to do the hard work for you.
Btw don't forget to use the >suggest command.
full creek
Just throwing this out there, maybe for non-native Germans without German keyboards.
Perhaps it'd be nice to somewhere have a key of what to do to type the special letters in German that aren't present in their language.
Ä ALT-0196
ä ALT-0228
Ö ALT-0214
ö ALT-0246
Ü ALT-0220
ü ALT-0252
ß ALT-0223
@full creek Alt codes are already pinned in #general but it's worth noting that a better solution for most people is to use the US International keyboard setting, which has US layout but lets you type these umlauts/ß. (There's also UK international if you prefer) Not sure about other languages, but it's worth browsing the available keyboards, or even just setting up your own hotkeys.
full creek
Seems it might be outdated, the ones pinned.
For me I get completely different characters
I'll look into hotkeying these
fathom fulcrum
Not sure but the pinned ones work for me.
But I'll see about updating it.
Btw it's recommended to use the >suggest command in future for making suggestions.
crude orbit
Scientology group
peak holly
callum <.<
crude orbit
Can't you handle the truth?
primal anchor
You should use proper suggestion format, for one. Everything should be in order and according to regs.
unkempt socket
@crude orbit You misspelt science
crude orbit
@unkempt socket no i didn't :<
ashen zenith
Neither of u know how to spell seyeints
lapis nymph
suggest delete the original message that called up an faq entry if the user presses the white square/stop button
obtuse sedgeBOT
Thank you, your suggestion has been submitted!
obtuse sedgeBOT
@lapis nymph, your suggestion has been answered:
gritty geyser
who answered this? lol
wild aurora
cimrow
peak holly
Botty did, duh
lime sparrow
suggest explain in #282831147942281216 that one should make suggestions using >suggest
obtuse sedgeBOT
Thank you, your suggestion has been submitted!
lime sparrow
suggest replace “approved” by “implemented” in the suggestions log
obtuse sedgeBOT
Thank you, your suggestion has been submitted!
gritty geyser
the wording differs every time
Im just used to saying Done.
oh my bad, you're referring to the google doc im keeping
lofty oracle
Now I know who answered mine
gritty geyser
are you sure :^)
lucid ledge
I still wanna believe someone other than pferd himself called him sexy
lofty oracle
I'm pretty sure that was Arrem
lucid ledge
👀
lofty oracle
Although I hadn't considered the possibility that he could answer his own suggestion
I mean, look at Arrem, he's always messin' around
gritty geyser
lofty oracle
Ahh the truth comes out
crude orbit
suggest reference #resources in the Beginner FAQ
obtuse sedgeBOT
Thank you, your suggestion has been submitted!
lapis nymph
@gritty geyser why you photoshop and tell lies
delicate hawk
suggest a channel specifically for discussing strategies/type of questions/resources related to going around goethe/testdaf/telc exams
obtuse sedgeBOT
Thank you, your suggestion has been submitted!
gritty geyser
Not a bad idea
lucid ledge
I'd like it 👀
Have got a few resources to contribute from my coursebooks
For b1/2 at least
primal anchor
I'd love to read them and start doing B1 stuff.
mystic compass
let's open #politics channel again
sand bramble
There was never a politics channel in the first place and there are no plans to make one.
peak holly
politics of DACH can be discussed in german channels. Other politics would not be relevant and would likely bring trouble
what I'm unsure about, while we're at it, is whether it's only allowed to talk politics in german or if english is also allowed, for example in #archived-culture-study-visa or #general-2
gritty geyser
Actual talks about politics in regard to the aforementioned are not allowed in #archived-culture-study-visa. That should answer your question
peak holly
i mean, are dach politics allowed in English?
gritty geyser
#german-only is the only channel where they're allowed. An exception is #voice-chat in which we generally encourage others to talk in German
peak holly
👍
mint light
Could we maybe add a "Movie Channel" where we Lerners or Natives could go watch a German movie together? XD
fathom fulcrum
It sounds like a good activity but we can just use any channel for that probably.
mint light
it was rejected? :/
fathom fulcrum
If you want to host a movie though, feel free.
And we can announce it for you too.
Or something.
mint light
as a lerneer would be cool to watch it with some natives and could freely ask questions
hahahah really?
gritty geyser
You're free to use #voice-chat or #archived-media for texted based conversations regarding movies. Apart from you can use any voice channel that's currently unoccupied if you'd like to watch movies with others
mint light
ok thanks Oxmas 😃
lime sparrow
This is too many mods. What do you need this many mods for? there’s always been like 4 online at the same time already
gritty geyser
Thank you for your valued suggestion
lime sparrow
it’s a question not a suggestion
you don’t have a meta channel to ask questions this is the next best thing
like I’m actually just curious why you’d possibly need that many mods
were like all the previous mods not doing their job? cause it surely seemed like there were always some around and that there wasn’t much going on anyway
fathom fulcrum
I think the simplest way to put it is that the server size is increasing a lot, and we want to make sure we have enough people available regularly. Even though most of the time all the moderators are available, it makes sense to account for the possibility of people being busy/inactive at the same time.
lime sparrow
well I hope it doesn’t slow you down
I could imagine the mod channel is a bit hectic now
sand bramble
To guarantee that there's always someone online in case of trouble. With 4 of us active, it's not unreasonable to expect that there are times when none of us are available.
lime sparrow
you were more than four though weren’t you
lime sparrow
then why is he a mod?
sand bramble
Because he owned the place and we don't have any inactivity measures in place yet. It's planned.™
lime sparrow
well anyway, congratz to the new ones and I hope this works out
looking at how many people you did make mod I’m actually kinda glad it didn’t hit me too, I can’t imagine a team of this size working well at all
but maybe it will, sure hope so ¯_(ツ)_/¯
gloomy lance
As far as i can remember, you had always complained about there being too few active moderators.
Now there are more and you complain about there being too many. Of course, there isn't a perfect amount of mods for a server, but i can assure you that we have worked as an active mod team with about 7 or 8 mods already before you came here and i can assure you it worked like a charm.
Maybe being quick to judge and writing things like This is too many mods. What do you need this many mods for? instead of waiting for what happens is the reason "it didn't hit you".
lime sparrow
I had done so when there were in fact only three(?) active mods and three inactive ones
it felt to me like you had a good amount. but I guess you’re right
bit of a jerk reaction
just brought some memories of chaos I was a part of
with too many mods
buerocracy got too unweildy
as said, I hope it all works out well
good luck to y’all
I hope you won’t be needing it
fathom fulcrum
Don't forget to use >suggest
nocturne reef
oh? is that new?
fathom fulcrum
Yeah, somewhat new.
nocturne reef
suggest TLDR: language name color > mod name color
can we make the language-level-color a higher priority than mod color? as mods are quite active, it's very irritating at times.
and there is no additional value in one knowing who is a mod. if someone behaves like a dick because they believe there is no mod around that is good as they can be identified more easily and be muted/dealt with.
and i don't need to know if one is a mod if i have a question or conversation with them (think that goes for others too)
was that declined because it's too long? or ... ?
fathom fulcrum
Yeah. I think it's fine if you put longer explanations in this channel (we will still read it), but make the suggestion a short message for the command.
fathom fulcrum
Danke. ❤
fathom fulcrum
What part?
nocturne reef
that i can't add an explanation in the suggestion
fathom fulcrum
suggest list
As you can see, it links to the comment. So if you add your explanation in the next message, it will be easy to access.
nocturne reef
"as i can see" - but yea this is a problem with discord settings and i get you
fathom fulcrum
Ohh, I see.
gritty geyser
I'm sorry about the error message for long suggestions. That's actually my debug response and I forgot to replace it
atomic pilot
then just make the mod/admin roles have no color
suggest then just make the mod/admin roles have no color
lime sparrow
alternatively
atomic pilot
hm
lime sparrow
(usually it’s a bit less messy we’re having christmas colors)
the color roles come with no privileges whatsoever, completely decoupled from the modhood status
lets us pick which color we actually want
you could make a mod color, put it above the abcnative roles and then those mods who want it can put it on, and those who would rather display their language skills do that
atomic pilot
thats basically the more advanced version of my suggestion
lime sparrow
I’m with sebi btw I prefer seing the level colors, but there is merit in seing who a mod is cause some people only react to authority
sand bramble
Eh. If there was an easy way for mods to color themselves when speaking officially, maybe. But I'm personally against it since the color does imply a sense of authority. Besides it's just another color just like the level colors. I don't see why it's such a bother to have one more.
lime sparrow
I don’t mind the mod colors per se, I dislike the absence of the level colors, if that makes sense
atomic pilot
yeah
lime sparrow
it doens’^ really matter cause at this point I know the mods anyway
and can kinda remember how well they speak german
so as said, I don’t really care
the red’s kinda ugly tho and there’s a lot more of it now :/
(red in general. I don’t like red very much)
sand bramble
Yeah there are always tradeoffs. If discord had some flair thing that would be universally recognized as "moderator" like the crown, we could use that, but I don't see that happening any time soon.
atomic pilot
red is fine but its a bit much yeah
lucid ledge
Do you have a pallette to suggest?
atomic pilot
keep red for admins because theyre powerful and also communists
sand bramble
Not another color discussion. 😩
lime sparrow
nah, I don’^ care enough anyway
atomic pilot
but change mods to something else
gritty geyser
then why are you bringing it up
lime sparrow
I was merely improving on sebi’s suggestion
atomic pilot
make mods pink
sand bramble
Then we'd have to get girls onto the mod team and we don't want that. 😒
atomic pilot
make it hmmm
#00FFFF
actually dont that will just make me wanna be mod even worse
lime sparrow
just force mods to put one of 🇦 🇧 🇨 or a DACH country flag in the name
problem solved
atomic pilot
👌
lime sparrow
(this solves nothing cause they don’t evne show up correctly)
cyan kite
lime sparrow
Also zum sich über die lustig zu machen hoffe ich?
lucid ledge
darf ich nach dem Grund für so ein Emote fragen, da dieser Server auf der Korrektur der Grammatik basiert?
lime sparrow
Es gibt nen Unterschied zwischen Fehlern (effektiv falsches Zeugs was Muttersprachlern als falsch auffällt) und "Fehlern" (Zeugs was einem in der Schule als schlechten Stil eingeredet wurde, obwohl es völlig natürliches Deutsch ist)
z.B. wenn jemand "wegen dir" nach "wegen deiner" korrigiert, hat das einfach keinen Sinn und Zweck sondern ist nur nervig
oder das gute alte "macht Sinn"
während zB ein Fallfehler à la "Ich sehe du" ganz klar falsch ist und auch korrigiert werden sollte
lucid ledge
also was ist das argument für die emote?
delicate hawk
suggest list
delicate hawk
okay what do "active suggestions" mean ? does it mean mods are still unsure about the idea?
or that they havnt seen it?
gritty geyser
it means we haven't discussed them internally yet
once we've come to a decision, we'll answer them
delicate hawk
ohh okay. 👌
crude orbit
Thanks dad
delicate hawk
suggestion log
wild aurora
did you mean >suggest list ?
delicate hawk
suggest list
lofty oracle
hahah that's the dev bot
gritty geyser
You’re using the wrong bot
wild aurora
dw we'll handle it for you
just make sure you use > instead of < as a prefix and submit your suggestion again
low spindle
by the way, I'm all for this suggestion 👀
delicate hawk
suggest quiz on practice channel where people translate eng sentences to german. with different session for beginners and advanced people
suggest list
obtuse sedgeBOT
lofty oracle
Sled best slurp
fathom fulcrum
@delicate hawk What are you asking for exactly with that?
delicate hawk
A session where the session holder pings people who would like to translate English sentences to German. It can take place in the practice channel. After the English sentence is given, people translate it, and if mistakes are made we discuss them and them move on to the next sentence.
fathom fulcrum
Oh okay. That's basically what #beginner-german is for anyway.
And we'll see if anyone wants to run one but I highly encourage you, or any other members of the server, to try arranging those kind of activities yourself as well.
If you just start the activity during a reasonable time of day, there are always native speakers around who will jump in to help out.
gritty geyser
^Agree, higher chances of that happening if you just start that yourself
delicate hawk
ohkk
obtuse sedgeBOT
@lime sparrow, your suggestion has been answered:
sand bramble
(As we plan to improve the log anyway.)
delicate hawk
suggest list
obtuse sedgeBOT
delicate hawk
can i ask why is taking so much time to come on a decision for my first suggestion?
obtuse sedgeBOT
@delicate hawk, your suggestion has been answered:
lucid ledge
I'd also like to add, that although we aren't implementing it at this time, we'd also love to hear any other suggestions you may have on the topic. That the request was posed in the first place speaks to a lack of formal help offered on it. I also understand that speaking in such an informal environment may not be the best place for perhaps harder examinations like c1/c2, which would be more likely to test the limits of grammar, a higher Wortschatz and how well your knowledge can adapt to different situations.
gritty geyser
Yeah, me accidentally, sorry
lime sparrow
I have a question:
If I want to inform the mod team of something in private, who should I contact? (this is a hypothetical, it’s just sth that came to mind)
wild aurora
anyone but Wormic
sand bramble
^ This essentially, yeah, at least for now. We're all active and informing anyone would be enough to get your message forwarded to the mod channel.
obtuse sedgeBOT
@delicate hawk, your suggestion has been answered:
delicate hawk
Danke
vague mica
Channel for native speaks to speak to englisch peoples
peak holly
you mean like #general or #general-2?
vague mica
Yes but is more towards learning englisch and learn from englisch speaks to learn
Because lot of speaks are German and some want learn englisch like me and not good
gritty geyser
this is a server for learning German, not English
atomic pilot
might still be useful for people trying to learn english that only speak german properly
fathom fulcrum
True, but it doesn't make sense to change the server to focus on other languages. You can already speak English in most channels, and #other-languages is always there to talk in depth about or practice any languages at all.
atomic pilot
thats true
summer quest
suggest word of the day channel to increase vocabulary
obtuse sedgeBOT
Thank you, your suggestion has been submitted!
summer quest
suggest list
obtuse sedgeBOT
summer quest
I will most probably be able to provide the words for the channel, I’d be more than happy to. 😃
Oh, never mind, I just saw that it was refused on the page of old proposals. 😦
obtuse sedgeBOT
@summer quest, your suggestion has been answered:
summer quest
Yeah, I saw. 😦
wild aurora
you might wanna check out typing >word in #botchannel tho ^^
crude orbit
Hey can we get a meme channel?
summer quest
lmao
Check the old proposals
I also wanted a meme channel but alas, it is prohibited 😦
@crude orbit
crude orbit
Oh no I don't think they're serious about that one
I keep suggesting it but it keeps disappearing because of all the meme suggestions I think
Which is why we need a meme channel
lime sparrow
here’s a small suggestion to think about, dunno what you guys think of it. could be fun
suggest have a channel with a webhook posting new posts on /r/German
obtuse sedgeBOT
Thank you, your suggestion has been submitted!
lime sparrow
whether the channel is read-only or not would be up for discussion too, of course. it might spark interesting conversations
I would recommend against putting the webhook in an existing channel though, it would probably get too spammy
obtuse sedgeBOT
Thank you, your suggestion has been submitted!
fathom fulcrum
@lime sparrow Can you describe the benefits? I don't really understand the purpose of it, personally, so I'm curious.
lime sparrow
the benefit is literally “might prompt interesting conversation, and also bring to attention interesting questions that some people here might want to answer or see the answers to”
the reason why I suggest reddit over any other german learning forum is that discord has a built in function to post links to new posts there (webhooks) so it’s really easy to set up
atomic pilot
its not that discord supports reddit, its that reddit has really good discord webhook integration
lime sparrow
sure. same effect
fathom fulcrum
Okay, can anyone who's interested in Sascha's idea about a r/German feed please give a + react to this message? So we can get some idea of interest.
wraith bridge
Is there a way to have web hooks based on the popularity of it? Like the ability to choose how popular the post has to be to show up?
lime sparrow
don’t think so
btw, it’s not clear to me, are those – votes people saying “I’m not explicitly interested” or “I am against this”
cause those are very different things
and I don’t see any reason why you would be against it if it’s in its own channel that you can just mute
(my preferred setup would be a separate channel with the webhook, in which you can still type)
peak holly
If one's not interested I'd expect them to not vote at all
crude orbit
Oh I just think it's a bad idea - RSS feeds exist already, and you can do far more with them
Discord isn't a reddit client 🤷♂️
lime sparrow
well the point isn’t to be a reddit client. reddit clients are better reddit clients than discord ^^
the point is to generate discussion
and really, I don’t see why you would be opposed to this, the only argument I can see against it would be “ugh another channel I have to mute”.
then again, this is also the server who decided they didn’t want to have the ability to hold the mods accountable (by getting access to the audit logs) so…
that decision I will never understand
crude orbit
I don't see how this could generate much discussion tbh, especially considering I can think of one line responses to most
And as an aside, I'd argue that it's wholly unnecessary for there to be access granted to the audit logs 🤷♂️
If you're really that interested in internal management of the server just message a mod if you've got a question about something
The fact that it seldom happens is likely an indicator about something
sand bramble
From what I recall, you were told exactly why we're not granting everyone access to the audit logs.
I can't speak for everyone but my minus was a vote against it since we had that exact channel before and it was essentially useless.
lime sparrow
as far as I remember it was rejected because people didn’^ want it; what I cannot understand was why (non-moderator) people would be against it
not why the decision was made not to do so, there’s a distinct difference here
it’s not about internal management but about holding them accountable. seing that power isn’t abused and the likes.
and I mean if you don’t care about it then you just don’t look there?
it’s not like it’s in your face, you have to go out of your way to even access them
like, I accept the decision. I don’t understand why people who wouldn’t use it felt the need to voice an opinion against it
like callum right now
also re:reddit channel, fair enough
crude orbit
I assume its for the same reason the audit logs aren't available in the conlang discord 🤷♂️
Provisions to hold accountability over an authority are all well and good when the general community has guns allowed to them by law... If access was given to the audit logs, nothing could be done by us
At all
Those who could do anything already have access
sand bramble
It was rejected because our ban reasons may contain sensitive information provided to us by users and we're not willing to sacrifice that. And callums point holds too. This is a discord server, not a community with a political system.
lime sparrow
I assume its for the same reason the audit logs aren't available in the conlang discord 🤷♂️
they are
crude orbit
crude orbit
crude orbit
hm can access it on the laptop
lime sparrow
It was rejected because our ban reasons may contain sensitive information provided to us by users and we're not willing to sacrifice that.
if that was ever communicated then I must have forgotten this. that is a sensible reason that I absolutely accept.
of course that still doesn’t change the fact tha I don’t understand why someone would argue not wanting to have access to them, ever; it was never your decision I didn’t accept but rather how other people reacted to it