lessons
#lessons
upper lake
undone crystal
?
analog thunder
Is anyone speaking right now
sacred grove
for some reason everyone is muted
true adder
no
buoyant osprey
am tryinh
true adder
doesnt work
sacred grove
it is workin now
true adder
oh ya . rejoin
upper lake
danke arrem :3
undone crystal
wheres the pdf?
rich grotto
Pinned
buoyant osprey
pinnned msg
sacred grove
which page are we on
undone crystal
thx
rich grotto
I heard 12
sacred grove
yes me too
analog thunder
Page 12?
delicate vortex
Were up to 12 last paragraph
true adder
und dann war er. on page 12
wooden crane
Hey. Can someone delete my reading role, pls
hollow narwhal
How will your German improve?
upper lake
ahahaha
wooden crane
Ich bin deutscher ^^
upper lake
you can delete it in botchannel.
wooden crane
how
burnt scaffold
.>unsub Reading
wooden crane
Danke :D
hollow narwhal
Oh I though it was group something
undone crystal
leave
true adder
ja
unkempt sierra
Where do I find the text?
burnt scaffold
it's pinned in this channel
unkempt sierra
Ah, thanks
burnt scaffold
durch/hinein dringen = to get through/into
burnt scaffold
ein Leck is a leak
cobalt forum
z as hard z (tz)
burnt scaffold
Ist lange her (seitdem/dass wir uns das letzte mal gesehen haben.)
delicate vortex
S is is z sound
cobalt forum
natürlich mit ü
delicate vortex
Stehen
burnt scaffold
also Weile, not veile
delicate vortex
Wie schtehen
cobalt forum
den Tod holen - to catch death
burnt scaffold
zurück, not zürück
burnt scaffold
to muster is also a thing btw 
cobalt forum
isn't that more in a military context?
burnt scaffold
yeah but it's used like that in German too ^^ just wanted to point out the similarity
burnt scaffold
Backen means Wangen here btw
cobalt forum
die Backen (pl) - Cheeks
ziehen - to pull
der Besucher - visitor
es eilig haben - to be in a hurry
@flint cape you want to read?
rich grotto
Side note: why is er in that last sentence the door?
rain spire
He is pulling the door
cobalt forum
"Dann zog er die Tür hinter sich zu" (shortened sentence)
cobalt forum
entkommen - to escape
rich grotto
I read it english first as a teen and it was odd then lol. Excited for the turns of phrase that were odd in English in a language I am worse at.
cobalt forum
schicken - to send
schlüpfen - to slip in
wünschte mit ü
fortschwemmen - to wash away
burnt scaffold
Tür, not Tur
burnt scaffold
same with hoffe
steel obsidian
Thank youuuuu
delicate vortex
Thank you for coming everyone!
Apologies about my sick voice, makes it a bit hard to offer pronunciation, itll be better by next week 😄
maiden abyss
Hey, sorry, what was the lesson about? I just joined in the #botchannel but I'm completely confused about the schedule
and this channel seems a bit hectic
delicate vortex
Its a reading lesson
We take turns reading and translating a passage from a book
maiden abyss
Oh, okay.
delicate vortex
You can ask for assistance when a phrase is a but hard to decypher
maiden abyss
Well, I could have taken a part and tried to read a bit.
delicate vortex
Itll happen again at the same-ish time next week
delicate vortex
Im making a poll to pick a better time
maiden abyss
cool
delicate vortex
okay guys pick that time for reading that suits you best (all times are Central European UTC+2):
8am saturday
12pm (midday) saturday
2pm saturday
11pm Saturday
11pm Friday
delicate vortex
The votes are for this time by the looks of it 😄
Ill try to stick to it, but we sometimes have dinner late or have guests so ill do my best
latent merlin
delicate vortex
Keen to have you there
meager cosmos
will these lessons be recorded for all that cant make it cause of timezone differences?
compact hemlock
No.
wary atlas
No, probably not. But I will most likely be using powerpoint slides and various other resources and I'll make sure to make them all available somewhere (I'll update on that after the first session).
wary atlas
How come?
lyric goblet
it’s hardly plausible to shift the whole thing around for one person, presumably others will be busy on those other suggested days instead
you’d have to at least ask when’s best for a majority (among those times the lecturer has time)
wary atlas
I guess I'll just do a poll.
tidal solarBOT
JX#2702 asks: Which day do you prefer for the beginner lesson? (You can vote for more than one)
1⃣: Friday (4pm UTC)
2⃣: Saturday (4pm UTC)
3⃣: Sunday (4pm UTC)
4⃣: Monday (4pm UTC)
wary atlas
<@&526087863339843585>
maiden abyss
Literally anything other than Saturday afternoon
wary atlas
Given the general poll results I won't reschedule the lesson. I will hold it on Saturday as written in the original announcements.
storm turret
what's your timezone jakey?
maiden abyss
CET but I got a birthday party during the lesson time
I guess I'll manage with skipping one 😄
What's the lesson gonna be about? There's some areas I've covered alone
wooden gale
Ich wohne momentan in Kalifornien, das heißt es gibt ein neun Stunden unterschied zwischen mir und der Central Europe (UTC + 2) Zeit. Ich hatte mich darüber gefreut, dass am Samstag eine Lesegruppe stattfindet, allerdings kann ich ihr nicht anschließen. Vielleicht andere interessieren sich für eine ähnlich Gruppe, die entweder später am Tag geschehen oder um eine Uhr, die PST / EST Zeit passt.
wary atlas
@maiden abyss As mentioned in the announcement, it's noun gender and present tense verb conjugation.
maiden abyss
Thanks, I've covered that myself actually using Schenke's but I'll definitely go through your resources you said you'll post.
👌
I've been going through Schenke's grammar, although in no specific order. I've done the Nominative case, haben/sie & present tense. I wanna do word order next since that's where I get confused with when answering practice questions
wary atlas
@wooden gale The lesson should be at around 9am PST and 12pm EST, which should be suitable for most people. Is there a specific reason why you feel this isn't suitable?
wooden gale
@Basementality, I was interested in attending the reading group that @BluhutrotBottletop posted. I'm mistaken then about the 9 hour difference at least, it's 7 hours instead? 9am PST would work well for me, but that's for the beginner lesson correct?
wary atlas
Yes, but you didn't really specify so I assumed you meant the last thing discussed.
wooden gale
Trotzdem das ist gute Nachrichten. Ich werde der Gruppe, der von @BluhutrotBottletop organisiert, anschließen. 7 Uhr morgens ist nicht so schlecht, mindestens besser als fünf.
danke
wary atlas
Bitte.
unique rover
Oh wow I thought it was rn, so late!
tranquil escarp
When I was your age I used to get up at 5. 😔
rich grotto
I have some plans so this will be the first thing I do lol
strange valve
I like staying up late @tranquil escarp, I'm a night owl
delicate vortex
There was a vote soz guys if the time is uncomfortable
Also 7am is doable! It nice getting up early!
rich grotto
Wake your brain up with German studies and chances are it won't be during something else for the early people lol
strange valve
I wasn't alerted of any vote @delicate vortex
Unless I was and I just forgot the mention idk
delicate vortex
ohh sorry Nussmeister, i didnt ping it, i posted it a bit after last weeks lesson as a regular message in lessons
it usually goes for about 2 hours, you could join for the second hour
@strange valve
im sorry, its hard finding good time for every timezone 😓
upper lake
That is 6am for me and my sleep is not great right now, so I will not be joining.
ebon parrot
that's 7 am for me, if it was 6 am I would be able to participate for 1 hour xD
delicate vortex
Reminder: reading at 12pm
wooden gale
wie lange wird es dauert @delicate vortex?
hollow narwhal
Can you say how many hours from now?
astral bolt
^^
@delicate vortex
12pm is kind of useless in an international server. Could be CET, EST, or literally any other timezone
storm turret
@astral bolt it's cet as according to the original announcement
delicate vortex
For those who wanted hours from now, its 6 hrs from now
(I said 12 assuming that people read the original announcement)
wooden gale
@hollow narwhal Ich glaube, "wie viele Stunden bis dahin"
delicate vortex
The time has come!
delicate vortex
Would you like me to stream? Or read from the pdf
(Note streaming kills my internet)
wary atlas
Unless someone else would also like to volunteer to stream?
delicate vortex
Thats also great
boreal zealot
Right now? 
delicate vortex
Yup
delicate mesa
I am okay with pdf...
compact hemlock
I'd be willing to volunteer to stream, should anyone desire it.
I don't have permission to even talk right now. ^^
heady whale
is it ok if i didnt attend past sessions?
compact hemlock
Correct.
storm turret
@wary atlas is that as intended? everyone is server muted
sand orbit
restricted
heady whale
aight
tranquil escarp
No it's because Syroe or whoever keeps disallowing talk perms in the lessons Channel so people don't use it out of lessons. Which then sucks when there's a lesson.
compact hemlock
What about a bot command that creates a room for the lessons?
tranquil escarp
If Base is on PC he can switch it off but you'll all need to rejoin.
wary atlas
Yeah I did already switch it off.
tranquil escarp
Okay. It only applies to people after they rejoin the chan so do that real quick.
storm turret
is it a bot command? cause if not session holders at the very least, than helpers
wary atlas
No it's just normal Discord perms right now.
compact hemlock
Audio crashed, one second.
tranquil escarp
Technically that's called >group start and is usable by session holders. It makes a text chan and VC that can then be yeeted out when the session ends. But the downside is that only people who are in the group can see it.
compact hemlock
There, fixed.
wary atlas
And Casca I'll give you session holder temporarily so you can stream the pdf.
compact hemlock
Thanks. 💙
heady whale
please excuse my cat if you hear her
storm turret
how easy would it be to have a quick command that toggles the people can join vc setting that way it remains visible but just with the padlock? like what was up with the mod vc the other day
tranquil escarp
Very.
sand orbit
spöttisch
herablassend
verlegen
wary atlas
Want to write it, SUNSET? 😏
delicate vortex
Schälchen
tranquil escarp
Though the mod VC thing was just a consequence of me being incompetent af.
storm turret
if i knew anything about bot coding maybe but i don't
compact hemlock
If it's Kotlin, then I'm out.
storm turret
other feature thoughts (no rush on this at all or even a request to do it. just ideas to consider lmao because i can't/won't do it myself). if the bot can listen for vc channel joins have the bot dm them with a bit of info about what's happening (could possibly be integrated with the planned lessons schedule feature??)
it is indeed kotlin
also i'm pretty sure the only ones with that kind of access to the bot are mods
heady whale
would i be allowed to use a german -> english dictionary as i translate once its my turn?
delicate vortex
sparingly, it would be nice to ask the other participants for help when your stuck
tranquil escarp
What's wrong with Kotlin. 😤
compact hemlock
Nothing, I just don't know it.
tranquil escarp
Everyone should. 😌
delicate vortex
nicken nod
compact hemlock
@heady whale You're doing just fine. 💙
compact hemlock
Plural: die Besucher -> the visitors -> seine/ihre Besucher
Singular: der Besucher -> the visitor -> seinen/ihren Besucher
sand orbit
isn't this the als ob with the ob emitted so it should take the konjunktiv 2, therefore hätte?
compact hemlock
Yes, that's correct. You can include the ob as follows:
Als ob er es plötzlich eilich hätte.
sand orbit
thanks!
rich grotto
Wow Google played me
storm turret
are you using google translator?
compact hemlock
breit -> wide/spread out.
bereit -> ready.
sand orbit
does that mean a suspicion in her grew
delicate vortex
id say so
compact hemlock
Yes.
sand orbit
👍
rich grotto
@storm turret no I googled the time conversions and it told me 7am.
compact hemlock
An idea, sticky from fear, spread in her heart: that with this stranger, whose name sounded so foreign and yet familiar, something threatening had slipped into her world.
sand orbit
the severity of her wish was what scared her, right?
compact hemlock
Staub -> dust
Finger -> finger
Staubfinger -> Dustfinger
delicate vortex
yeah
compact hemlock
And she wished, with such severity that it scared her, that she had never gotten Mo and that Dustfinger had stayed outside, until the rain had swept him [Dustfinger] away.
spreizte is the third person singular past participle form of (zu) spreizen.
der Schreck -> the shock (fear).
As the door to the workshop opened once more, she recoiled in fear.
"So you're still standing here", said Mo. "Go to bed, Meggie. Off you go."
He had this little wrinkle above his nose, one that only appeared when something truly worried him, and looked completely through her [Meggie], as if he were somewhere else entirely with his thoughts. The idea in Meggies heart grew and spread black wings.
heady whale
really hecking difficult a2 then lol
sand orbit
just a lot of googling a2
heady whale
ill prolly go back and like... write out a full translation on my own time sometime later
compact hemlock
That's a good idea. If you want me to look over your translation, let me know.
You're doing a wonderful job, by the way.
heady whale
so should i type it out instead of cursive then?
compact hemlock
You can do as you please.
sand orbit
oof
heady whale
if someone else is looking at it, ill type it out, i dont mind either way really. my cursive sucks
sand orbit
ha eavesdropping with two ears on a wall near impossible true
delicate vortex
yes
compact hemlock
You could stand in a corner and really try. ^^
Though I suppose those would be different walls.
heady whale
chainsaws exist for a reason
sand orbit
rattle and clatter
burnt scaffold
@storm turret I'm innocent you spaghetti noodle
compact hemlock
die Lunge -> the lung
die Entzündung -> the infection
We do also have die Pneumonie as a direct translation.
@boreal zealot
Nachdem er die Tür zugezogen hatte, wartete sie vorsichtshalber noch ein paar Sekunden, auch wenn es ihr schwer fiel. Dann schlich sie wieder hinaus auf den Flur.
hin -> away from the speaker
her -> towards the speaker
ein -> towards the inside
aus -> towards the outside
heady whale
once its my turn again im prolly gonna head to bed after i read/translate since id like to sleep before sunrise today
sand orbit
could we split into two groups?
compact hemlock
That's probably a good idea, Doodle.
heady whale
all i hear is robot
delicate vortex
two groups would be great!
compact hemlock
Indirectly, yes.
It's a portmanteau for sharp limbed.
It's a metaphor/portmanteau Funke came up with herself. It is not nor ever has been standard German.
You will not find it in any dictionary.
sand orbit
3rd page of notes already
compact hemlock
Nice! ^^
rich grotto
Then as she had to climb, to decipher the sign, she thought, that the chewing really meant, she asked herself with revulsion, why Mo of all things hung Büchshänders on his door.
is this roughly what that Damals, als sie noch ... hatte sentence meant
compact hemlock
From what I remember:
Back then she had to climb onto boxes to be able to decipher the sign. She took the words literally (that is, she assumed the books were really being eaten) and wondered why her father would hang the words of a "book violator" on his door.
delicate vortex
book desecrator!
compact hemlock
I prefer your suggestions. ^^
Defiler would be the best, in my opinion.
_schänder is also used to refer to other forms of defiling.
sand orbit
her heart contracted, hearing her fathers tired voice
delicate vortex
ahh makes sense
compact hemlock
One minute, I'm getting some water for my dry throat. ^^
delicate vortex
@boreal zealot would you like to read?
boreal zealot
Maybe?
sand orbit
ei- ai
ie- ee
Diphthongs
boreal zealot
Ich Anfänger
compact hemlock
That's okay, take it at a pace you're comfortable with.
sand orbit
inzwischen- in the meantime
compact hemlock
Not quite: inzwischen, to me, implies a change: since recently or meanwhile.
sand orbit
who says inzwischen komme ich immer zurecht
delicate vortex
i thought it could also mean meanwhile/by now
sand orbit
wow lifehack with bluhu
compact hemlock
@rich grotto The German Z has a TS pronunciation.
Words that end in soft letters are often given a hard pronunciation: halb, Rad.
If the soft letter is in the middle of the word, the pronunciation is soft: halbieren, radeln.
English: after the hour.
German: before the hour.
Halb zwei would be half (past) one.
storm turret
@delicate vortex i always say quilt but i know people who say doona
delicate vortex
sun join me in the doona club
storm turret
all of them aussie
compact hemlock
@wary atlas What do you say? ^^
For the bed covers/blanket you can hide under.
Then Dustfinger's steps distanced themselves slowly and with delay, as if he hesitated going forth.
sand orbit
do we only read for an hour?
thank you soooo much for the reading session I enjoyed it loads
fickle dawn
ty
compact hemlock
We read from ~12:20 to 14:20.
boreal zealot
Danke sehr 🙏
dark garnet
thank u all for holding this!
wary atlas
@compact hemlock Doona.
delicate vortex
whoooo doona club
sand orbit
take care y'all!
rich grotto
Yeah it was really good. I have basically forgotton how to speak, so its been really helpful!
Thanks!
trim lava
@compact hemlock shit where did we stop lol
can you ping doodle with the pages again :3
buoyant osprey
we were like near the bottom of 18
compact hemlock
I plan to once I can open the PDF again. ^^
trim lava
x)
delicate vortex
14-18
trim lava
@heady whale ^
delicate vortex
like all of 14 to most of 18, but feel free to only translate part of it, theres many words there
compact hemlock
Doodle: We stopped above the last two paragraphs on page 18.
trim lava
Thanks for the nice reading again @compact hemlock @delicate vortex 😄
boreal zealot
Hello! In German grammar, what are called the words "darauf, daran, dazu, darunter...."?
*How are called
drifting surge
What is right 😅
compact hemlock
Prepositions: Präpositionen.
storm turret
auf, an, zu etc are prepositions
but the da-compounds are also adverbs
boreal zealot
Vielen Dank!
tawny slate
Was this the grammar session ?
storm turret
nope that's later
tawny slate
Ah thanks
trim lava
upps Base is doing his thing X( I'll have to wait until after lol
fierce wren
everyone who joins, have fun with basechen!!!
trim lava
Sers Flappo
compact hemlock
That's really sweet of him. Are you having a great time? 💙
fierce wren
YES
it's hard
but it really fun
sometimes we should play 2 together hehehe
tried 1 only today doe
fierce wren
oopsie sowwyyy
storm turret
are spoons mass nouns?
der Löffel - the spoon
die Löffel - the spoons
the noun doesn't change in the plural at all
glass rune
No, it's just a noun with a zero-plural
wary atlas
essen
trinken
storm turret
base's table is missing zero-plurals then 🤔
dapper cedar
sie essen fisch aber ich esse fisch nicht
glass rune
@storm turret well they do exist, you just have to memorize them
hearty bronze
Du isst der Apfel, und ich trinke die Milch
glass rune
den Apfel
storm turret
or course they exist which is why i pointed it out
hearty bronze
Warum?
storm turret
That will be covered in a coming lesson but is due to a thing called noun cases.
glass rune
^
you are doing something to the apple (eating it) so it has to be in the accusative case
hearty bronze
Oki
high mantle
That's why Base asked for not using an object I suppose :p
glass rune
probably
buoyant osprey
is the grammar lesson over?
high mantle
He gave a task before going
You may wanna try that:
essen
trinken
Simple sentence out of this
preferably without object
storm turret
an example like löffel where it has a plural but the plural is the same as the singular
buoyant osprey
without an object?
high mantle
If you manage, yes ^^
storm turret
tfw i can't read lmao
wary atlas
lernen
üben
dapper cedar
practicing ?
dapper cedar
Ich muss mehr üben machen.
high mantle
Bulli lernt / übt
dapper cedar
is that correct
boreal zealot
Ich bin hier um mein Deutsch zu üben.
wary atlas
faq keyboard
tacit mauveBOT
buoyant osprey
Antony trinkt
Wir essen
Er lernt
Ich übe
wary atlas
lesen
schreiben
boreal zealot
Ich lese gern.
hollow narwhal
I have duo keyboard mappings and it slows down the brain, but it's fun to try out. Erdnuss
boreal zealot
Ich schreibe Briefe nicht so gern.
wary atlas
Das Ding
buoyant osprey
Meine Schwester liest gerne
boreal zealot
Du liest Bücher um deinen Wortschatz zu erweitern.
buoyant osprey
Ich schreibe taeglich
ruby ocean
@boreal zealot der Wortschatz
buoyant osprey
Wir sprechen zusammen
boreal zealot
Wir reden mit einander?
hollow narwhal
I'm guessing unison
boreal zealot
oder lieber, wir sprechen gleichzeitig zusammen?
buoyant osprey
Du redest zu viel
boreal zealot
redest*?
indigo bramble
Darf ich teilnehmen? Ich habe meine eigene Arbeit, aber es wäre mir wahrscheinlich hilfreich zuzuhören
boreal zealot
it's simply easier to say it with the "e" so u add it
ruby ocean
sehen
dapper cedar
what gehören means
boreal zealot
belong to
placid sorrel
I think that means: belongs to
ruby ocean
@indigo bramble du kannst gerne teilnehmen, aber der Unterricht richtet sich an Anfänger
boreal zealot
so gehören zu etwas
dapper cedar
ich habe Musik gehören
dapper cedar
or no ?
indigo bramble
alles klar, danke für die Info. Vielleicht kann ich irgendwo helfen wenn nicht zu tief in der Arbeit hehe:)
hollow narwhal
Gehört
placid sorrel
what about the noun : weather?
high mantle
Der Arzt
dapper cedar
weather - wetter
hollow narwhal
Der Bulli
ruby ocean
der Raum
hasty timber
Doctor
boreal zealot
die Ärztin
dapper cedar
Der Vogel
hollow narwhal
Der Hund
hasty timber
Der Baum
hollow narwhal
Die Dose
boreal zealot
die Katze
dapper cedar
der Stern der Himmel
hasty timber
What does dose means?
ruby ocean
sehr wichtiges Wort: Das Pferd
hasty timber
Thanks
dapper cedar
Das Haus
ruby ocean
tawdry gorge
welches wort?
placid sorrel
Das Auge?
tawdry gorge
scheint nicht so wichtig
high mantle
Der Regen
hollow narwhal
Nickerchen
trim lava
Die Hitze :^(
ruby ocean
das Wort
high mantle
Oh, are we at neutral?
hollow narwhal
Boot
ruby ocean
das Nomen
dapper cedar
Die Augen
placid sorrel
the rain?
trim lava
Das Instrument 😼
placid sorrel
Das bein
hollow narwhal
Farbe
ruby ocean
die Sonne
trim lava
Die Wolke
high mantle
das Meer
trim ferry
der Kaffee
boreal zealot
der Tee
wary atlas
"Der Kaffee" ist sehr wichtig.
ruby ocean
der Mond
buoyant osprey
Die Erde
boreal zealot
die Milch
dapper cedar
Die Welt
boreal zealot
das Wasser
dapper cedar
or der Welt
hollow narwhal
Das Buch
boreal zealot
die Welt
trim ferry
der Wald?
trim lava
^
indigo bramble
I was going to say, it sounds almost like Welt;)
hollow narwhal
Das Stück
near flax
Isn’t Forst a thing too?
ruby ocean
das Gebirge = mountain range
indigo bramble
Yes, jeff, but from my experience, people use Wald very often
boreal zealot
das Gebirge
trim lava
hollow narwhal
Der Diep
indigo bramble
But no harm in saying "Forst"
hollow narwhal
Die Dinge
boreal zealot
der Dieb
hallow socket
the lesson?
dark horizon
s
ruby ocean
das EICHHÖRNCHEN
placid sorrel
What was nomen again?
ruby ocean
noun
placid sorrel
ohh thanks
boreal zealot
vielen Dank für Ihre Mühe!
hasty timber
Thanksss
hollow narwhal
Dieb thanks Erdnuss
wary atlas
If anyone has any suggestions for the sessions (or just what you liked or disliked) feel free to post in #community-discussion or DM me about it! Thanks everyone for coming!
trim lava
Danke Base ❤️
wary atlas
❤️
hasty timber
Thanks
wary atlas
All the future content will be available in the Google folder I posted earlier, which I'll pin now.
high mantle
wary atlas
Folder containing all beginner lesson content (I'll add to it each week): https://drive.google.com/drive/u/1/folders/14MPdMqPTH9XVocvy__Hw7cMz5jSXZux-
trim lava
I have a bit of a broader question to some learners here. Are there a lot of people around that join a lesson only to listen, but not actively participate? I remember this being the case in the past, not sure how the current situation is in that regard Ö
trim lava
Maybe I'm still learning who knows
hollow narwhal
Haha
It's just because it's stuff I already know
And it's easier to drive and text than talk
trim lava
Maybe the question is worded weirdly, but it's not meant to bash or shame lmao, I'm just curious if people like to use the lessons as a sort of "listening comprehension"
hollow narwhal
I don't want to be distracted
Although that's probably useful
Manchmal schaue ich ein paar Video und kann nicht so leicht verstehen was ich gehört habe
I would have the same question
I onced joined a vc of at least 20 people and all the mics were voluntarily muted.
storm turret
i'm there to see how things are run for the purpose of backup if/when base has irl stuff but it's also 3 in the morning so my brain has been pretty dead
trim lava
I'm just trying to see if there's even an appeal in that direction from users here, cuz that would be a format that doesn't require much preparation probably
but so far it's only you Trax
high mantle
I'm here for similar purposes as sun
tawdry gorge
Same
storm turret
i'd say there were around 8-14 people who were there specifically to learn (it's hard to keep track out of those who joined and left throughout)
on this server too A0 day 0 is an uncommon niche. i think most of the people who go seeking out a german discord already have had some encounters with the language, even if that's a few hours on duolingo.
however with that and timezones in mind a ~10ish target learners turnout is quite good imo
hollow narwhal
I think technique lessons are valuable. Or maybe a q and a about how x person got to c or b or better at listening
But theres also plenty of YouTubers explaining that too so 🤷♂️
Maybe just do an activity nop and try it out and see if there is an interest
upper lake
A q and a may be interesting, but it is also kind of personal, as people's lives are very different. What works for one person may not work for others.
That being said, if some b-c levels wanted to write a paragraph or two about their experiences in German learning, I think it could benefit some people. Even writing about their difficulties, what worked, what didn't, etc.
tawny slate
took a nap and missed this session, lol
wary atlas
Np it will be once per week. Check the pin for the content we covered.
lofty axle
Do you guys still do lessons?
is there a thread i can read that will give me infromation?
storm turret
reading the last few messages in this chat will answer your first question
faq lessons
tacit mauveBOT
trim lava
I'm still playing with an idea in my head, how helpful would a sort of listening comprehension be?
wary atlas
A lot of people are interested in that.
Although the channel for discussing/planning types of lessons and so on is generally #community-discussion just for future reference.
trim lava
upps x) Sorry Baserino ❤️
wary atlas
I've also added a homework sheet based on last week's lesson in #study-tasks and I plan to post more in future weeks. I encourage everyone to complete these for your own learning, but we won't be covering them during the actual lessons. If you need help completing them, please ask in #questions or #beginner-german as usual.
sand spruce
@Grammar
lyric goblet
luckily, you can’t just do that. why did you want to ping a largeish group of people @sand spruce?
sand spruce
Sorry, just thought that was the way to subscribe for the classes. Just did the sub grammar in bot channel.
lyric goblet
ah fair. yea @ is used to notify people who have that role
delicate vortex
for reference, this is an hour later than last week, and is at 11am UTC/GMT
lyric goblet
don’t refer to it as GMT but as UTC. GMT is confusing because that’s an actual time zone (british winter time)
(is a pet peeve of mine)
storm turret
you must hate this site then
https://greenwichmeantime.com/
runic badge
Hmh I don't quite understand what different it makes
lyric goblet
utc is a standard against which all timezones are defined. gmt is one such time zone, namely british winter time, situated at UTC+0
in my experience, people often read “gmt” as “british time”, which is wrong half the year
compact hemlock
That's true, however, while incorrect, GMT+X does still give you the correct UTC timezone. As such, it's not that bad, in my opinion.
wary atlas
Idk how it is in other countries, but for us, GMT is usually the standard time used with offsets, or at least, the one that people are normally familiar with and prefer to use.
Like I basically only ever see UTC used on time websites. I rarely see people actually using it to express their own time zone.
compact hemlock
^
wary atlas
And usually (in my experience) people don't confuse GMT as British time. They rather conceptualize it as "British time happens to be at GMT+0" or something like that.
Personally though I usually just list UTC/GMT whenever I mention it so that people who use one or the other both benefit.
compact hemlock
And usually (in my experience) people don't confuse GMT as British time. They rather conceptualize it as "British time happens to be at GMT+0" or something like that.
@wary atlas Definitely.
delicate vortex
Honestly i didnt know there was a difference
My life is just +10ish and i find converting very difficult 😄
grizzled badge
What are good keywords to learn for arguments in German?
Like a small debate or just to give your opinion on something?
Hope is fine asking here cuz i am not sure the question is that easy to answer, but wanna learn how to argument well
wary atlas
@grizzled badge It's better to ask in #questions or #questions-2 as #lessons is for special hosted lessons that are held in VCs at scheduled times.
grizzled badge
Ah ok sorry
tiny dragon
also, stop trying to argue with people. Be nice. 
fiery edge
Will there be a beginner's class tomorrow again like last week?
wary atlas
Yes, same time. @fiery edge
But not sure what the time will be next weekend, just as a heads up.
fiery edge
Thats cool. Really appreciate the effort @wary atlas .
wary atlas
No problem. Hope you enjoy!
trim lava
@delicate vortex Hast du dir schon ein Märchen ausgesucht? 😛
delicate vortex
Einige, ich hab sie aufgelistet, ich dachte aber es wäre schön wenn die gruppe selbst wählen könnte
Zwei kurze Geschichten oder eine Lange würde genügen schätze ich 😄
compact hemlock
*aufgelistet.
*Geschichten.
delicate vortex
Session reminder everyone!
Reading fairytales on Saturday at 1pm CET: 11am GMT/UTC
sessions
tacit mauveBOT
icy saffron
session info 1
storm turret
you need the > to invoke a bot command
tacit mauveBOT
timid spindle
session info 1
tacit mauveBOT
timid spindle
session info 3
tacit mauveBOT
tawdry quartz
session info 3
tacit mauveBOT
delicate vortex
Sorry guys i need to push reading back an hour
fossil panther
D:
delicate vortex
Ach spelling
fossil panther
haha, bush reading
unreal coral
Reading has been bushed
tawdry quartz
damn
tranquil escarp
Reading around the bush.
fossil panther
banned
storm turret
stop right there criminal scum
trim lava
Anyone here in a hurry about the reading? We can either wait for Blu's return or I'll jump in if necessary
tawdry quartz
I am in hurry
sand orbit
What are we reading again?
storm turret
session info 3
tacit mauveBOT
trim lava
I have a selection of fairytales around :^)
So it's really up to everyone else which story exactly
tawdry quartz
so 2pm then?
trim lava
I only see one response so far so I guess it'll be postponed?
tawdry quartz
looks like so is the case
burnt scaffold
@delicate vortex small heads up, there's also a >session reschedule command so you can update the time shown in the embed
sand orbit
Thanks sunset! I was excited to read some Tintenherz and forgot that we were reading Märchen this week
delicate vortex
Thanks Syro
trim lava
Depending on how many people attend we'll have to split groups anyway, so maybe we can do one group with fairytales and the other does Tintenherz again Enzyme. But we'll have to wait and see ^.^
chilly marlin
Does reading mean you listen to people read or people read in VC in turns?
storm turret
people read aloud in turns, and translate what they've read
chilly marlin
ohh
delicate vortex
Sorry for the delay, starting at 2pm CET
boreal zealot
Is this lesson taking plc in 15 mins or?
delicate vortex
Yup in 15 mins
boreal zealot
Cool - my first time so pls bear with me.
delicate vortex
I hope you enjoy it ❤️
delicate vortex
Er ging weiter; da kam der dürrbeinige
Tod auf ihn zugeschritten und sprach: "Nimm mich zu
Gevatter." Der Mann fragte: "Wer bist du?" - "Ich bin
der Tod, der alle gleichmacht." Da sprach der Mann:
"Du bist der Rechte, du holst den Reichen wie den
Armen ohne Unterschied, du sollst mein
Gevattersmann sein."
daring flare
ctrl+f to find it easyer people
trim lava
Der Mann
sprach: "Künftigen Sonntag ist die Taufe, da stelle
dich zu rechter Zeit ein." Der Tod erschien, wie er
versprochen hatte, und stand ganz ordentlich Gevatter.
bold hollow
Poor MϾi
long rivet
yes
real dew
Where are we up to?
delicate vortex
steh ich aber zu...
sand ledge
@modern parcel reading the pdfs she sent there
delicate vortex
steh ich aber zu
Füßen des Kranken, so ist er mein, und du mußt sagen,
alle Hilfe sei umsonst und kein Arzt in der Welt könne
ihn retten.
modern parcel
why tho?
sand ledge
idk its a lesson, u read and translate and she/others point out pronounciation mistakes and etc
im mostly here to learn some vocabulary and etc
wispy sky
Gotta go
delicate vortex
okay! thanks for joining!
long rivet
why is daß and muß written with ß here?
delicate vortex
okay moai tschüss!
bold hollow
@fossil panther Tschüss!
delicate vortex
ach was unsinn du schaffst es doch!
fossil panther
bis nächstes mal, hoffentlich
long rivet
@bold hollow Oh.. Thank you.
cobalt forum
||When he went to the bed, Death stood at the feet of the ill person, and he knew he couldn't help||
delicate vortex
dem Bette, ist das ein Beispiel von diesem alten -e an Ende von Dativen Wörter (wie Zuhause)
cobalt forum
||"I wish I could outwit Death" he thought||
sand ledge
why is it "fasste" instead of "faßte"? i thought the ß always replaced "ss" everywhere
delicate vortex
this is german before the spelling reform, its quite random when it comes to ß and ss
in modern german ß is used for long vowel sounds like in, schließen and ss is used for short vowel sounds like in dass
sand ledge
ok, thanks
lyric goblet
a good example of how this works is the verb essen @sand ledge
in the present you have ich esse, er isst etc all with short vowels and ⟨ss⟩
but in the past you have sie aß with an ⟨ß⟩ following a long a
Ass also exists, meaning “ace” (the playing card) and that has a short a
boreal zealot
wo sind wir stehengeblieben? 😅
cobalt forum
"Er hätte sich der Warnung"
boreal zealot
ok danke
bold hollow
widerstehen =/= wieder stehen
tawdry quartz
yes got it
maiden abyss
session info
tacit mauveBOT
:x: The required argument id is missing.
cobalt forum
hier aber ehe
maiden abyss
session info 1
tacit mauveBOT
cold harbor
thanks ,me too
bold hollow
Thanks!
long rivet
Thanks 😄
bold hollow
It was great
wraith pike
Thank you!
bold hollow
See you
cobalt forum
I think you should add a target level to the description
(B1 maybe even B2)
because of the old language
trim lava
Fairytales I believe is a bit of an experiment since it was very popular a while ago, otherwise there's still Inkheart to read which should be a bit more accessible
delicate vortex
Yeah this text was a lot harder than i expected
I should have read it beforehand and gauged it better XD
trim lava
It's a nice story, but mebbe it was a bit too hard for A x(
icy saffron
session info 1
tacit mauveBOT
wary atlas
Hey guys, just letting you know the lesson might start 5-10 minutes late. (Feel free to show up at the start time, but just in case I'm slightly late)
maiden abyss
You gonna say here when it starts?
wary atlas
Yep, it's starting now.
maiden abyss
oki
sand spruce
Yes, now I can see it. It was paused for a second.
maiden abyss
Is the screen loading for anyone else
real dew
Yeah we can see it
fiery edge
yes
pallid vessel
Ja
pallid vessel
Hallo, Ich heiße Laura
icy saffron
Hallo, Ich heiße Laura
sand spruce
Hallo, ich heisse Laura
maiden abyss
sorry, had to go quickly. are we supposed to answer these?
tawny slate
translate
icy saffron
Ich habe ein Hund
maiden abyss
Ich habe einen Hund?
real dew
Ich habe einen hund
pallid vessel
Ich habe ein Hund
sand spruce
Ich habe ein Hund
timid spindle
ich habe einen Hund
maiden abyss
so is Ich habe einen Hund correct?
oh okay i was scared i was the only one making mistakes
Den Hund ist klein.
timid spindle
Der Hund ist klein.
real dew
Der Hund ist klein?
icy saffron
Der Hund ist klein
pallid vessel
Der Hund ist klein
maiden abyss
oh,
Der Hund ist klein.
pallid vessel
Er ist einen braun Hund
timid spindle
Er ist einen braun Hund
maiden abyss
Er ist ein brauner Hund?
real dew
Er ist ein braun hund
icy saffron
Er ist einen braun Hund
primal urchin
er ist ein brauner Hund
pallid vessel
Oh, Ich bin ein Doof
timid spindle
Ich liebe kleinen Hund
pallid vessel
Ich leibe kleinen Hund
real dew
Ich liebe kleine Hunde
maiden abyss
Ich liebe klein Hunde.
sand spruce
Oh ok ok! Thank you. Got it.
maiden abyss
Did I miss something, or did you teach how to change adjectives according to case?
kleine > kleine
braun > brauner
oh wheres the chart
maiden abyss
:thanks:
pallid vessel
Grammatik ist schwer für mich 😦
fiery edge
sorry for the intrusion , but how do you type German letters? i searched on net and there is like alt+0223 on numpad for a letter ß . do you do it every time you use a German letter.
wary atlas
boreal zealot
@fiery edge you set your keyboard to German, it's easier like that
icy saffron
Using Shift + Colon will give Ö
burnt scaffold
try >ex keyboard in #botchannel
fluid carbon
@fiery edge hold down the "s" key and the options will appear
maiden abyss
Hey, will we do the other example sentences?
wary atlas
füttern
maiden abyss
Ich /füttere/Hunde jeden Tag?
real dew
Ich futtere den Hund jeden Tag
astral bolt
tbh, ich habe das Erlernen von mehr als nur Deklinationen und Konjugationen verzögert... ich habe einfach das meiste vom Lesen (und einige Bücher) gelernt... Sollte ich versuchen, bestimmte Grammatik zu lernen?
pallid vessel
Ich fütte den Hund jeden Tag
astral bolt
(sorry if this is a bit of an odd field, was responding to a question a few mins ago)
timid spindle
Ich füttere den Hund jeden Tag?
cobalt forum
*füttere
maiden abyss
oh okay i thought its i feed dogs
pallid vessel
What if it's a girl dog?
cobalt forum
den Hund (one specific dog)
Hunde (general concept)
maiden abyss
can you write that
pallid vessel
Oh, ok. Danke!
maiden abyss
yeah i was interested in that
wary atlas
die Katze = cat
der Kater = male cat / tomcat
maiden abyss
die Katze
trim lava
There's also Hündin if you really wanna stress that it's a female dog
maiden abyss
oh okay
This concept of a general world and a gender specific noun is easy to understand if you native language uses it
icy saffron
Did not attend the first class and I am still confused how you are saying if a sentence is Accusative or nominative, Any specific links available for that?
icy saffron
Danke!
sacred grove
Er isst gerade das Essen
maiden abyss
should we try the last example?
Er frisst das Futter jetzt sofort. i think its not correct
wary atlas
das Futter
wary atlas
fressen
soft violet
Jetzt frisst er den Futter?
timid spindle
Er isst jetzt das Essen?
real dew
Er frisst das futter gerade jetzt
fiery edge
Er isst das futter jetzt sofort
soft violet
Das Futter*
maiden abyss
Er frisst das Futter jetzt sofort?
cobalt forum
Er ist das Futter am fressen don't use
maiden abyss
is gerade a verb
tawny slate
@cobalt forum y not ?
sacred grove
i think its adverb
maiden abyss
hey Directing whats the correct way of saying "he is eating the food right now."
primal urchin
gerade is an adverb
cobalt forum
@tawny slate for now it's still dialect, not standard
maiden abyss
i think so yes
timid spindle
why not record the session and upload it on yt so ppl can go through
maiden abyss
hey @wary atlas you screen is still on example sents. for me
icy saffron
When should we use mogen and liebe? Both mean "like"
pallid vessel
Könnte ich eine Katze haben?
maiden abyss
did his screen change for u guys
timid spindle
yes
digital flume
yup
pallid vessel
Sehr gut
icy saffron
Okay!
pallid vessel
Is it weird to say you love someone if they are not your girlfriend or something?
real dew
Ich mag kaffee , kaffee mag mich nicht
storm turret
dunno if it was mentioned in vc but 'ich hab dich lieb' is the go to 'i love you as a friend' love
maiden abyss
Ich mag Kaffee nicht?
pallid vessel
@storm turret "Ich hab dich lieb" So that's how you friend zone someone in German xD
maiden abyss
So, uh we learn modal verbs by heart?
Maybe I should make a modal verbs + sein/haben cheat sheet then.
digital flume
theres not many modal verbs tbh
real dew
I'm confused about what you mean by verbs being sein?
maiden abyss
sechs?
real dew
Ohhh
pallid vessel
Sein=To be. Right?
real dew
Yeah
dapper cedar
@pallid vessel yep
timid spindle
sein is pretty much used when verbs have movement, change of state right?
icy saffron
ich bin and ihr seid are the only sein verbs?
icy saffron
ah, okay! Got it
primal urchin
sein is the infinitive form
pallid vessel
Ich will eine Katze füttern
digital flume
jetzt is more now and not really today
icy saffron
Ich lerne Deutsch Heute
tawny slate
jetzt lerne ich deutch
timid spindle
Deutsch* Jetzt*
maiden abyss
Sorry if I got this wrong but
If there's two verbs, we choose one to put at the 2nd place and the rest goes at the end in infinitive?
icy saffron
So, If there are many verbs in a sentence, can we say that only the first verb needs to be conjugated and not the others?
Okay!
maiden abyss
Ich will die Kaffeetasse trinken.
?
Ich liebe, Deutsch zu lernen?
or wait is liebe a modal
cunning sentinel
no it's not
tawny slate
what does versuche mean
icy saffron
Significance of "Zu"? Just to say it's not a modal verb?
pallid vessel
"I try to learn German" vs "I try German learn"
cobalt forum
die Kaffetasse: the cup for coffee, you can't drink the cup
maiden abyss
oh i thought its like a cop of coffee
cobalt forum
Ich will eine Tasse Kaffee trinken
icy saffron
Like fillers!
maiden abyss
oh okay
pallid vessel
Hast du Coronavirus?
maiden abyss
das Coronavirus maybe?
tawny slate
yes/no question
maiden abyss
Wait, does the "zu" rule apply to questions as well?
Woher liebe, Deutsch zu lernen?
trim lava
You can use it, but it specifically asks about the heritage, not necessarily where you live/etc.
real dew
wary atlas
Ich liebe es, Deutsch zu lernen.
maiden abyss
oh ok
wary atlas
Ich lerne gerne Deutsch.
maiden abyss
ooh okay that makes sense
pallid vessel
Ich nehme gerne Katzen
maiden abyss
So how'd you say "Why do you like learning German?"
Warum lernst du gerne Deustch?
what if we have two verbs and the separable one is conjugated
timid spindle
einkaufen?
real dew
Ich mochte mich beim Deutschlernen vorstellen
wary atlas
Ich habe vor, Deutsch zu lernen. (vorhaben)
maiden abyss
oh okay it makes sense
real dew
Are there many separable verbs for this to be something to worry about
It's remembering them all
maiden abyss
this may be a bit out of context
but howd' you go with having a verb + 2 separable verbs?
Are you going to fall asleep when you come back?
Werden Sie einschlafen wenn Sie zurueckkomen?
oh ok
trim lava
separable verbs are quite common Skii so it's good to know how they work
tawny slate
lol
maiden abyss
dont they have a distinct ending/ prefix
real dew
Because german is lots of words put togetherrr
trim lava
they do have distinct prefixes
digital flume
^^^
tawny slate
i remember an
digital flume
an vor ein and whatnot
trim lava
but ye Skii, they are important to know 😛 Especially since the prefix may change the entire meaning
do you mean like vorlesen?
maiden abyss
deutsche sprache, schwer sprache
no?
D: 😄
real dew
Uhm im not sure I remember it sounding that way
trim lava
vorlestigen, never heard of that^^
boreal zealot
Is this lesson only for separable verbs?
boreal zealot
Tell us something about andjective endings
digital flume
yeah the most important thing about all these rules is to reinforce them