questions

[stiff kraken]

bruh ich hab's nicht erwartet dass es auch einen militärkontext gibt 😭

[astral yoke]

and in normal context:
Ich habe ihn über den Sachverhalt aufgeklärt
and
Ich habe ihm den Sachverhalt erklärt
is not really the same

[stiff kraken]

wie würdest du denn den unterschied beschreiben

[astral yoke]

Im ersten Fall ist es weniger erklären als feststellen, Tatsachen beschreiben ...

[magic token]

aufklären kann auch ein Substantiv sein: die Aufklärung -- Synonym für den Sexualkundeunterricht, oder Eltern erklären ihren Kindern wie es so geht mit dem Storch, klären kann auch bedeuten : wir klären ein Problem (lösen ein Problem oder eine Differenz in unseren Meinungen), klären kann man Flüssigkeiten zum Beispiel von Schwebstoffen / aufklären" can also be a noun: die Aufklärung — a synonym for sex education, or when parents explain to their children how things work with
the stork.

"klären" can also mean: we resolve a problem (solve a problem or a difference of opinion), and you can also clarify liquids, for example by
removing suspended particles

Die Aufklärung (The Enlightenment) - 1650-1800

[astral yoke]

aufklären kann KEIN Substantiv sein, denn das Substantiv lautet die Aufklärung ‼️

[ivory chasm]

Hello I'm new here, I wanna learn German where do i start 😁

[astral yoke]

faq beginner

[livid steeple]

How to get started

The simplest way to learn German is to find topics you don’t understand yet and search for explanations of them. This list provides you with a guide for which topics to learn if you are completely new to German. Type the topic into Google (or YouTube) and start learning!

Introduction

1: Alphabet (especially ä, ü, ö and ß)
2: Basic greetings (hello, goodbye, etc.)

Part 1 - Simple Sentence

1: Noun gender & plurals
2: Nominative case (What are cases?)
3: Nominative pronouns (I, you, he, she, etc.)
4: Verbs in present tense
5: Definite/indefinite articles
6: Accusative case (for nouns)
7: Accusative pronouns
8: Word order of simple sentences
9: How to ask questions

See Part 2 on the next page.

Tips

• Always learn the gender of a noun when you learn a new noun
• Learn to use a translation dictionary (e.g. dict.cc, leo.org)
• Use >faq resources to see our list of German learning resources
• For listening and pronunciation practice, try watching movies or videos (incl. YouTube)
• You can listen to pronunciation for words on websites like dict.cc, forvo.com, and others
• Practice writing sentences every day (and asking people to correct them)
• Ask as many questions as possible
• Don’t be scared to make mistakes!!!! If you don’t let yourself make mistakes, you will never be able to learn German

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[ivory chasm]

Alr thnx

[magic token]

OK das war kein feiner deutsch , hier die Korrektur ---aufklären kann in Synonymen auch zum Substantiv werden

[empty vale]

@astral yoke lernst du Spanisch

[astral yoke]

Nur Seeehr extensiv, aber ein bisschen verstehe und spreche ich...

[astral yoke]

Warum fragst du?

[empty vale]

Weil ich Spanisch lerne

[astral yoke]

Ich hatte mich mal vor ca 35 Jahren damit beschäftigt und Parallelen zu Englisch, Französisch und Latein/Italienisch festgestellt, das waren meine Anfänge.

[remote crane]

Kann jemand mir bitte erklären, wenn man Bescheid benutzt?

[flint solstice]

"Ich weiß bescheid"

oder es könnte sich um ein Dokument handeln

Der Bescheid

[remote crane]

Ich habe ein paar Erklärung im Chatverlauf gefunden

[ivory chasm]

faq resources

[ivory chasm]

Ich bin stupid

faq resources

[magic token]

Bescheid geben -- über einen Sachverhalt informieren

[astral yoke]

Hier gibt es die Bedeutungsübersicht UND Beispiele:
https://www.dwds.de/wb/Bescheid

[tawny flower]

faq beginner

[livid steeple]

How to get started - Part 2

Please make sure to read Part 1 before starting Part 2!

Part 2 – Beyond a Simple Sentence

1: Conjunctions (coordinating and subordinating)
2: Subordinate clause word order
3: Dative case
4: Dative verbs
5: Verbs with two objects (e.g. geben)
6: Prepositions (accusative, dative, and two-way)
7: Spoken past tense (Perfekt)
8: Written past tense (Präteritum)
9: Genitive case
10: Relative clauses
11: Adjective declension

Tips

• Make sure to practice writing and reading simple texts
• Some of these concepts are confusing to start with, so it’s a good idea to ask for help in #questions when you’re unsure
• You should use a declension chart to help with declension to start with, because you won’t be able to memorize it straight away
• After you feel confident with creating sentences, you can start learning the adjective declension properly by using the command >faq adjective declension and reading the guide provided

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[astral yoke]

If you don't answer a question, pls use those 'links' in #botchannel 🙇‍♂️

[tawny flower]

Oh mb sorry I don’t know how to really use these things

[astral yoke]

Try the #botchannel with > explain all 😉

[hollow umbra]

Sie räumen auf, nicht ab. Sie kochen ihren Schöpfern die Mahlzeiten, bauen Pflanzen an usw. Wobei, ich bin jetzt pingelig, "anbauen" ist eher auf einem Feld. Wenn sie Heilpflanzen in einem Blumentopf wachsen lassen, passt anbauen nicht so richtig.
Und: "Sie sind sanftmütige Leute", ohne "eine". Leute ist Plural. Es ginge aber auch: "Sie sind eine sanftmütige Art/Sippe/Rasse"

[simple prism]

Danke noch einmal!

[wintry coral]

@green echo sag vallah du bist keiner verdammte salapipi ?

[gusty frost]

Arab?

[silent plover]

Are there acronyms in German? Or contractions?

Well obviously there are contractions but

Are there acronyms

[magic token]

Yes, German has plenty of acronyms. Acronyms (Abkürzungen/Akronyme) Very common, just like in English:

• BRD — Bundesrepublik Deutschland
• GmbH — Gesellschaft mit beschränkter Haftung (like "Ltd.")
• AG — Aktiengesellschaft (public company)
• PKW — Personenkraftwagen (car)
• LKW — Lastkraftwagen (truck)

[magic token]

German actually loves compound words, so acronyms often compress very long compound nouns into something manageable (GmbH being a classic example like Ldt.)

[hollow umbra]

Aküfi = Abkürzungsfimmel 😉

[flint solstice]

HBF= hauptbahnhof (main train station)

[astral yoke]

Siehe "MFG - Mit freundlichen Grüßen" von 'Die Fantastischen Vier'

[frigid tinsel]

Die da?!?

https://youtu.be/VUosAGDM8Sg?si=8IF7bOMY88ZIkfNP

It's the only song I know from them, lol. Maybe I should listen to more recent songs....

[astral yoke]

🤯
it's from 1999, so not really recent... 😜

[silent plover]

Whats the difference between zu and du?

[glacial crag]

zu is a dative preposition, it's general meaning is „to“ but it can change depending on context

Ich gehe zur Arbeit- I'm going to work
Ich gehe zu Fuß- I'm going on foot
Ich bin zu Hause- I'm at home

du is the 2nd personal informal personal pronoun in the nominative case

it means you

du bist so nett! - you're so nice!
glaubst du an mich?- do you believe in me?

[thick hull]

hallo! ich habe eine Frage über Deutsch.
Ich habe diesen Satz geschrieben: "Meine Arbeit gibt mir sehr viele Geld nicht"
aber ChatGPT korriegiert mich und has gesagt "Meine Arbeit gibt mir nicht sehr viel Geld".

Meine Frage ist, mein Satz ist richtig oder nicht wie ChatGPT hat gesagt

[silent plover]

Oh! Thank you
I misunderstood what zu was
I kept thinking people were using du and zu interchangeably since wherever "du" went
Zu would just randomly appear at times

[glacial crag]

#rules #8 AI chat related to language learning isn't allowed on this server

but yes, you need to place nicht before sehr and omit the e from viele
viele- many
viel- much / a lot

[thick hull]

ohh Entschuldigung! Ich habe die Regeln nicht gelesen (wie sehen können)

[thick hull]

Warrum diese Regel?

[thick hull]

Danke, ich verstehe!

[glacial crag]

you might also encounter it in zu clauses
Wir haben versucht, dieses Lied mitzusingen. Ich habe vergessen, meine Hausaufgaben zu machen

or um,,,, zu clauses
Wir brauchen ein neues Gerät, um wichtige Nachrichten an unsere Freunde zu schicken

[glacial crag]

idk

just the rules of the server, ai can be misleading a lot of the time. The mods of this server don't want learners to absorb false knowledge

[thick hull]

mmmm ok Ich würde sagen dass es meistens nützlich und richtig Information gibt. Jetzt benutze ich es um die Order des Wörter meine Satze zu korrigieren 👍 .

[plush locust]

Beide sind falsches Deutsch und ergeben keinen Sinn.

(Und da ChatGPT das nicht begreift, nun, darum sind LLMs halt oft nutzlos.)

[thick hull]

wie würdest du es sagen?

[plush locust]

"Ich verdiene nicht gut."

[...in meinem Job]

Du kannst auch sagen, "Ich verdiene schlecht", aber ich weiß nicht, wie schlecht 🙂

verdienen ist das wichtige Verb hier

[thick hull]

ahh danke! Nun, ich sage oft, dass das Wichtigste ist, dass die anderen meine Nachrichten verstehen können! 🙂 🙂 Aus Fehler lerne ich 👍

[astral yoke]

... aus Fehlern lerne ich -> look up the cases pls...

[thick hull]

Das hat ein bisschen unhöflich geklungen aber danke!

[plush locust]

Tat es.

[astral yoke]

that wasn't my intention 🤷‍♂️

[plush locust]

Kasusfehler sind normal und nicht durch ein "learn the cases" zu korrigieren.

[thick hull]

Keine sorge! 🙂

klar... Ich weiß die Kasus, aber ich brauche* noch sehr viel Praktik um sie zu "naturilizieren" (ich weiß nicht wie das sagen)

[plush locust]

Was ist deine Muttersprache?

[thick hull]

Spanisch

[plush locust]

Ok, dann gibt es Englisch nicht XD

[thick hull]

I speak english fluently :v

Aber Englisch wissen sehr hilft nicht um Deutsch zu lernen...

[plush locust]

But would it help you more as a meta-language to talk about German than just speaking in German?

[plush locust]

Es hilft bis zu einem gewissen Punkt.

Ich meinte, es gibt kein Englisch, weil Du halt zuerst Spanisch gelernt hast.

Also, kein Englisch, um Dir (!) Deutsch zu erklären 😄

[thick hull]

ja, zum beispiel, alle videos die habe ich gesehen waren auf Deutsch. Außerdem, gibt es einige Wörter die sind änhliche

[plush locust]

Hast Du schon Sprachprüfungen bestanden?

[thick hull]

auf Englisch?

[plush locust]

Für Deutsch!

[thick hull]

nein, ich interessiert mich nicht. Ich lerne es nur weil mag ich diese Sprache

[plush locust]

Dann solltest du die wundervolle Idee lernen, die Deutsche "Nebensatz" nennen

[thick hull]

Yes of course, I'm just trying to speak all in german because I want to practice this language haha

[plush locust]

"Ich lerne es nur weil mag ich diese Sprache" -> "Ich lerne es nur, weil ich diese Sprache mag."

important is where the comma is and how the word order is after the comma

[thick hull]

ah ja! ich habe es schon gelernt! 🙂 ich brauche mehr Praktik 😄

[plush locust]

Super! 😄 "Nebensatz" ist so wichtig.

[thick hull]

ja! natürlich!

[plush locust]

Aber ok, wir sprechen davon, dass dein Job scheiße ist? 😄

[pure harbor]

Hallo Leute, ich sehe ,dass sie über Arbeit sprechen.

[plush locust]

Think about the cases - and conjugations - once more / Denke noch einmal über die Fälle - ach, alles - nach.

(I'll give you the correct version once you did give a ver. 2)

[pure harbor]

ist es nun richtig?

[plush locust]

wer spricht?

[pure harbor]

ich

[plush locust]

Aber in dem Satz, "Hallo Leute, ich sehe ,dass sie über Arbeit sprechen" ?

[pure harbor]

oh , ich meine du und jupy

[plush locust]

Ja, aber ich meine Deutsch 😛

[pure harbor]

ich lerne noch, also es gibt wirklich viel fehler

[plush locust]

Du brauchst Frieren, oder?

[pure harbor]

was bedeutet das

[plush locust]

hahaha

[plush locust]

ok, warum heißt du Himmel?

[pure harbor]

denn Himmel bedeutet sky. Und ich habe diese Name zufällig gewählt.

[plush locust]

Sorry 🙂

"Hallo Leute, ich sehe, dass sie über Arbeit sprechen." <- your sentence

-> "Hallo Leute, ich sehe, dass ihr über Arbeit sprecht."

[pure harbor]

i just realised u meant the anime haha. sorry for confusion

[plush locust]

so you know it? 😄

[pure harbor]

yeah i know it, u said frieren i thought it s a german verb

cause they all end with 'en'

[plush locust]

I capitalized it, but I should have gone for italics* 😄

[pure harbor]

danke für die Hilfe

[pure harbor]

haha my bad

[plush locust]

mich interessiert ja nur: verstehst du es? dann ok!

[pure harbor]

ja ich verstehe. hast du einige Tipps für mich so ich gut deutsch lernen ?

[thick hull]

ah haha nein, ich erstelle zufällige Sätze um Deutsch zu uben. Man kann sagen dass ich allein spreche 😝

[fair hedge]

Struggling with doing questions that include Kennen and Werden

Like for example, " Ja, natürlich. Wo ist Bachs Geburtsort? (blank) ihr das?"

shouldn't it be 'Kennt'?

or no, Wisst?

[astral yoke]

Bei Kennt müsste der ganze Satz lauten:
Kenn ihr den (Geburtsort)?

[fair hedge]

ist es dann "Wo is Bachs Geburtsort? wisst ihr das?"

[plush locust]

Es muss "Wisst..." sein.

(I'm not a big fan of these types of problems, tbh...)

[fair hedge]

Ich lerne noch Deutsch, these are from my textbook, this is about as hard as English to me

[silent plover]

If word order is flexible why can't I always put the verb before a noun and it be correct?

[empty vale]

The verb just has to be in second position

[scenic obsidian]

word order is semi-flexible

some things are flexible, others are not

one of the things that is least flexible, is the position of the verb(s)

but for example, you can have the subject before or after the verb in a main clause, you can have the object after or before the verb in a main clause

Ich habe ihm geholfen.
Ihm habe ich geholfen.

Both valid.

[fair hedge]

Question is "Mein Geburtstag ist im Juni. Dann (blank) ich 23 Jahre alt." What am I meant to put after Dann?

[indigo bear]

Well if you were just going to say "I am 23 years old" by itself, how would you say it?

[fair hedge]

Ich bin 23 jahre alt?

[indigo bear]

Jahre

Yes. Now compare what you just wrote to the other sentence.

What's missing?

[fair hedge]

OH! bin!

thank you

[indigo bear]

Yes. Here it may sound better to use "werde" though, I'm not sure.

[plush locust]

It has to be "Ich werde 23" based on the context of the sentences.

Es ist in der Zukunft.

[indigo bear]

Okay, I see. Even with "dann"?

[plush locust]

Ja.

[indigo bear]

Present tense is very often used for future expressions in German though.

More often than not.

[plush locust]

Ich würde "werde" vorziehen.

Ich weiß.

Aber hier würde ich das nicht tun.

Das "Ich habe Geburtstag" ist dabei etwas special

[indigo bear]

Sure, I'm not disputing your suggestion towards the sentence. Just the explanation "Es ist in der Zukunft."

[plush locust]

"Ich werde nächste Woche 30" ist einfach, wie man darüber spricht, dass man in der Zukunft Geburtstag hat.

"Ich habe morgen Geburtstag [und werde 27]." = "Ich werde morgen 27".

[sleek pebble]

isn’t that the same construction as in pretty much every european language

even in english you’d say „i’m turning 27 tomorrow“

you wouldn’t bat an eye at the fact that „i’m turning“ technically describes a continuous action in the present

[plush locust]

literally it would be "I will be 27 tomorrow."

[sleek pebble]

my thinking is that if another word covers the temporal aspect of what you’re implying, then tenses are not that important as it’s clear anway

like why say „ich werde morgen 27 werden“ or „ich werde morgen 27 sein“ when „morgen“ already tells you it’s in the future

[plush locust]

ja

most languages do this (e.g., English)

(or, literally the only way in Japanese to talk about anything past now)

its also the reason why in languages where you can say future things it's usually weird to actually say them

[sleek pebble]

there are a lot of languages that lack a future tense entirelly but it’s never a problem because, like pretty much every language, there are words that describe a place in time

[plush locust]

Ja, wie auch auf Deutsch "Ich gehe morgen einkaufen"

[sleek pebble]

yeah

[sleek pebble]

i don’t think it’s weird just because, it’s moreso that using the future tense has a different connotation

[plush locust]

we can debate what I meant with "weird"

(actually, please don't)

[sleek pebble]

like saying „i WILL be turning 27 tomorrow“ sounds like there is weird emphasis on it, as if you are to say that it’s your personal choice and nothing can deter you from the path you’ve chosen

as opposed to just leaving it away

or someone else has decided it for you

[plush locust]

but why is it not "I will turn 27"?

[sleek pebble]

it’s just irrelevant to overstate it like that

[plush locust]

(in English, that just becomes "I turn 27")

[sleek pebble]

idk it sounds like it’s either a result of a causal link or like there’s some determination in it

or also like you’re stating something existential

but i think that has moreso to do with the word „will“ itself

kind of odd that the word that handles the constructed future „tense“ is a word that implies intent

which is another thing

[plush locust]

it's also the point where I'd like to ask people grown up in an English environment

[sleek pebble]

you said that thing about japanese just now

but really, are constructed tenses (those with auxiliary verbs) real tenses?

it’s just the present tense conjugation of „will“ with another verb

it’s just as much of a roundabout

[plush locust]

ah I see where you may want to go

[sleek pebble]

it semantically always implies the future but it doesn’t seem like a real tense either

[plush locust]

I'd suggest that a real "future tense" (in German, this can only be said as "Ich werde gehen" etcpp.) would be a narrative mode (that doesn't make much sense, but its still possible)

[sleek pebble]

for example

in spanish there is a real future tense

[plush locust]

ok I'll steal real haha

[sleek pebble]

the verb cambiar (to chance) would in 3rd person singular future tense be cambiará

meaning „it will change“

or he or she

but that’s an actual future tense conjugation without an auxiliary verb in the present tense

[plush locust]

can you use it to say "it will change tomorrow, in a minute" etc.?

[sleek pebble]

hmmm i think you could but it’s not really what they would say

i think

[plush locust]

not the problem though.

[sleek pebble]

i think they would opt for „ir a“ + infinite verb for the immediate future

ir a means „go to“

[plush locust]

Deutsch verstehe ich eher...

[sleek pebble]

so „voy a cambiar“ would mean „i am going to change (momentarily)“

[plush locust]

A sentence, that, without context, is just meaningless 😄

[sleek pebble]

what i’m saying is though that it’s an incredibly common thing in language to just use the present tense and constructed formulas to imply the future

[plush locust]

(not a critique btw, because I'd like to know what the hell the meaning is)

[sleek pebble]

i just took any verb lmao

[plush locust]

(or can be)

[sleek pebble]

to form a simple sentence

[plush locust]

oh absolutely that

[sleek pebble]

(„Cambiará.“ is a complete sentence in spanish)

[plush locust]

which raises the question of "...what is this future tense thing?"

[plush locust]

Was bedeutet das?

[sleek pebble]

in my opinion, constructed tenses that need auxiliary verbs aren’t real tenses to begin with

[sleek pebble]

he/she/it will change

[plush locust]

Wann sagst du das?

[sleek pebble]

it doesn’t matter, you can do this with any verb, because spanish doesn’t need a subject (the verb implies the subject) and since it’s not a transitive verb, neither does it need an object, making it a complete sentence

but my focus was moreso on the fact that spanish has a morphological future tense that gets used as such while no matter how you express the future in german or english, it always involves a verb conjugated for the present

both in using a verb that isn’t „werden“ and using the „future tense,“ which conjugates „werden“ for the present

[zenith trail]

interesting take, why do you think this

[main lynx]

hey, im looking for an A1 study buddy is anyone looking for one toooo?

im not sure where exactly to find the space to look for anyone

nevermind i found the community post :)

[glacial crag]

Teilen sich Deutsch und Englisch diesen Ausdruck?
Dies ist der Schlüsselmoment - this is the key moment
Dieses Thema ist der Schlüssel - this topic is key

[static tendon]

Hello, can I get access to the study groups please?

[hollow pasture]

spricht man der "n" in „Saiso__n__“ aus?

[astral yoke]

not from them, but from others 🤷‍♂️

[tawny fractal]

No, cause it's French

[hollow pasture]

just disable dm requests i get multiple from this server

ach verstanden, danke

[hollow pasture]

aber manche Wörter werden auf Deutsch nicht wie Franzözisch ausgesprochen, nein?
wie interessant

[tawny fractal]

First one yea, second one kinda depends. I think the way you use it in English is a bit different cause in German you use the article with it so it carries a bit of a different meaning

[tawny fractal]

Ja das stimmt, manche sind etwas eingedeutscht

[astral yoke]

Das ist richtig, aber Saison gehört nicht dazu.

[tawny fractal]

Saison aber eher nicht, aber gibt bestimmt auch Leute die das n aussprechen lol

[astral yoke]

Ich habe schon öfter gehört, dass es auch wie im englischen Wort 'song' ausgesprochen wird (denn im Französischen ist die Endung on ein Nasallaut, den manche so versuchen zu imitieren)

[hollow pasture]

in Saison?

ach ja Wiktionary sagt dass /zɛˈzɔŋ/ geht

[static tendon]

Hello, I can't join voice channels. Can I get access please?

[livid steeple]

@static tendon, please read the Roles section in #getting-started for info on how to join VC and more.

[hollow pasture]

ja ich war verwirrt als ich erstmal "Pommes Frites" gehört habe, wie pom-frit, aber dann habe ich auch "Pomm__es__" gehört

[astral yoke]

Ja, Pommes ist die "eingedeutschte" Variante, aber nur solange man das ~~frites ~~dann weglässt.

[inland sluice]

wait why the hell

are they even called that

pommes = apples
frites = fried

???

[hollow pasture]

pommes de terre

[inland sluice]

ohhh

[hollow pasture]

Erdapfel

[astral yoke]

oder Plural -> Erdäpfel

[hollow pasture]

hallo, ich hätte gern gebratenen Erdäpfel bitte

österreicher..

[astral yoke]

... gebratenen
Aber auch hier im Plural (sonst bekommst du vllt nur eine(n) 😉 )
oder frittierte Erdäpfel

[hollow pasture]

fritterte = gebratene?

[astral yoke]

Frittiert ist in Fett ausgebacken, gebraten ist in der Pfanne (auch mit Fett, aber deutlich weniger)

[hollow pasture]

ach so

[astral yoke]

Das sind definitiv keine Pommes 😉 sondern Bratkartoffeln

[hollow pasture]

kann man sagen tieffrittiert für 'deepfried'

oder bedeutet frittiert bereits 'deepfried'

[astral yoke]

bei uns gibt es den Begriff nicht 🤷‍♂️
Im Gegensatz zu tiefgefroren oder tiefgekühlt

[hollow pasture]

macht sinn

[glacial crag]

thank you so much :D

[jovial remnant]

Today I was chatting with somebody and i mentioned that I was in a DDR museum
they said "ich komme aus der ehemaligen DDR"

I would rather say "aus der damaligen DDR" and I was wondering why that would sound off

like vorherigen DDR sounds also good to my non native ears but probably wrong

could somebody help me understand what it would imply with other forms

[astral yoke]

I'd say it's like a fixed expression as of today, if you want to avoid the 'DDR' you can say
... aus den neuen Bundesländern ...

[pliant scarab]

Hallo Zusammen, ich hätte eine Übung, die ich nicht ganz verstehe. Oder besser - ist mir nicht klar, ob die von mir angegebenen Versionen richtig wären

was ich eingegeben habe

die vom System erwartete Lösungen

die N1 ist 100% falsch, da wenigstens ,,mir´´ und die Verneinung umgetauscht werden sollen. Aber wäre das auch ggf. richtig?

[astral yoke]

Nein, es sollte so aussehen:
du musst mir nicht helfen. Oh, ich glaube das wir ja die Frage:
So kann man es jedenfalls formulieren.

[astral yoke]

Nr 6) die Verneinung kommt hinter Herrn Brehm:
du brauchst Herrn Brehm nicht ...abzuholen

[pliant scarab]

verstehe. Dankeschön

[astral yoke]

Bitteschön, gern geschehen.
Gibt es noch Fragen zu den anderen Aufgaben?

[pliant scarab]

Ich hab mir noch einmal das gelesen https://easy-deutsch.de/position-nicht/ und bin immer zweifelhaft darüber. Ich sehe ja ein, dass im Satz N.6 die Verneinung vor den Ergänzungen besser klingt. Was denn aber, falls ich den Namen des Herrn verhört habe und NICHT Herrn Brehm abholen muss, sondern jemanden anderen?

Du brauchst Herrn Brehm nicht abzuholen --> er braucht niemanden, der ihn abholt

Du brauchst nicht Herrn Brehm abzuholen --> Du solltest ihn nicht abholen, sondern David

[astral yoke]

... brauchst nicht Herrn Brehm abzuholen, sondern David
...du brauchst nicht Herrn Brehm sondern David abzuholen

[pliant scarab]

also die Beiden sind tatsächlich richtig😬

im Beispiel wird halt verneint, vowon der Herr abgeholt werden muss

[astral yoke]

Man KANN natürlich auch so formulieren:
Du brauchst Herrn Brehm nicht abzuholen, sondern David.
Aber ich finde das klingt 'holprig'

[pliant scarab]

da im NB kein Verb gibt. Das finde ich auch

ich mach weiter denn. Danke nochmal

[vocal zinc]

how does the sentence "alle waren schwimmen" work

alle waren beim schwinnen sounds okay but

i heard the phrase in a cartoon

[south trout]

How we study with nicos weg.

How we use anki

[astral yoke]

Have you seen that there's not only videos but sheets as well?

[jovial remnant]

Natives, could you tell me on what occasions you start your sentence with a verb?
I sent a meme and said "what a wonderful goal" and I got
"muss ich zugeben ..." from a friend

I don't quite understand. I know so far only three cases in which a verb can be used in position one.

1- Conditional sentence
Werden Kühe müde, (so/dann) schlafen sie im stehen
2- Imperative
Sei ruhig
3- irreale Wunsch
hätte ich doch ein Auto

None of those explains this phenomenon

[astral yoke]

He also could have answered:
... meine ich auch -> (das) meine ich auch
But the das is omitted.

[jovial remnant]

so it's about an omitted "das"

alright thanks

[pure needle]

warum sagt man "gelbes haus" aber auch "das gelbe haus"

[astral yoke]

Hast du schon von
bestimmtem Artikel -> der/die/das
und unbestimmtem Artikel -> ein/eine/ein gehört?

[pure needle]

ja

ah also das ist der grund

[astral yoke]

Let me check if there's a faq for that:

faq article

[livid steeple]

FAQ not found. Try >explain all.

[astral yoke]

If you want to 'investigate' further just switch to #botchannel and type >explain all

[digital pagoda]

to those who learn consistently, how many hours a day do you put in?

[stiff kraken]

in my prime like 3-4

[scenic obsidian]

That's Absentiv, it's like C1+ level grammar.

You can read more about it here:
#questions message

But really, you shouldn't even worry about it until at least B2, if not later.

[scenic obsidian]

Because there's different rules for adjective endings depending on what's in front of the adjective:

https://www.germanveryeasy.com/adjective-declension

[misty trench]

Qusstion

[vernal estuary]

for me max 2 hrs, but I only realistically hit 1 hr most days 😔 I have a lot of Uni coursework as a computer science student

[calm steeple]

Hi guys! Which one is correct?
"Ich sehe meinen Flugzeug"
Or "Ich sehe mein Flugzeug" ?

[astral yoke]

It's the second one bc -> das Flugzeug - mein Flugzeug
ich you choose -> der Flieger - meinen Flieger

[calm steeple]

Ah Flugzeug is neutral?

Okaay thank uu

[astral yoke]

remember in German always learn the noun with it's gender ☺️

[calm steeple]

Yes I'm familiar with genders as I speak French and Arabic
I just assumed it's masculine 😂😂
But ye I'll pay more attention to genders
Thank you!!

Especially that French and Arabic don't have neutral one

So I gotta keep it in mind

[astral yoke]

tres bien ! 😉

[spiral axle]

what’s the difference between “ich habe…” and “habe ich…”

same thing for “du hast…” and “hast du…” and etc

[astral yoke]

this is abt word order in German, that is quite different to English word order...
What are you confused abt???

[astral yoke]

^^

[versed verge]

"Habe ich" and "hast du" aren't always questions?

[thin pollen]

Any difference between sich umziehen and sich anziehen?

[spiral axle]

like why do you switch around the order? and when do you switch it around?

are “ich habe ein pizza” and “habe ich ein pizza” the same thing?

which one is used for questions vs statements i guess

[frigid tinsel]

The second is a yes/no question.

[spiral axle]

so the verb goes first when asking a question?

[frigid tinsel]

Two kinds of questions: w-questions and yes/no questions.

For yes/no questions, verb comes first.

For w-questions, it's W-word first, verb second then everything else.

Was habe ich?

W-word might be multiple words (Wie viel, or some others). But the gist is "question word first". (Maybe question-phrase first to cover the multi word scenario?)

[spiral axle]

OMG so for example “warum hast du die hausaufgaben?” would be proper to say and so would “hast du die hausaufgaben?” as well? only diff is that the second one is a yes/no

and “du hast die hausaufgaben” is just the simple statement

[frigid tinsel]

Yup, seems like you got it

[spiral axle]

bless u

i hope u find a $20 on the ground next time u leave ur home

[scenic obsidian]

This depends on what you are talking about

Yes, there is the thing where if the verb is in position 1, that may be a question

[spiral axle]

https://tenor.com/view/silly-gagged-stan-twitter-twitter-gif-gif-7603835994469049930

[scenic obsidian]

But there is also a thing that a lot of Germans do colloquially, where if the noun in position 1 is like, "ich, du, das, es", then Germans simply omit it

Wie sieht's aus mit deinen Hausaufgaben?
How does it look with your homework?

(das) Habe ich schon gemacht.
I've already done (it)

Was machst du heute?
What are you doing today?

(ich) Gehe zum Supermarkt, um Lebensmittel zu kaufen.
(I'm) going to the super market to buy groceries.

we do something similar in English

Note: This isn't done in formal situations or on tests, just when speaking casually

[spiral axle]

vielen dank for explaining

[scenic obsidian]

So yeah, sometimes it only looks like the verb is in position 1, when really, it's just that the noun in position 1 has been omitted

[spiral axle]

so how do i know if they’re asking a question vs just saying a statement with an omission?

i’m sure that it’s usually based off of context clues

and if i’m talking to someone, i can tell by the inflection in their voice when they ask a question

but what about if i’m texting a person

or should i not worry about that at an A1 lvl yet

[frigid tinsel]

Sometimes normal-looking statements can be turned into questions with the correct... inflection?

[frigid tinsel]

You probably just just be aware that A1 / A2 / B1 grammar is "stricter", mostly on behalf of our beginner minds. Real world German has a ton of colloqialisms and rules breaking. Just like any other language.

B1 is considered the first "conversational" level for a reason. It really does take a long time / a lot of study before you're ready for a typical back-and-forth discussion.

[spiral axle]

understood, danke

[glacial crag]

2 at minimum, 4-5 when possible

tho it's hard to get even an hour on some days, but mostly 2 minimum

choose quality over quantity and a valid time that that corresponds with both your current limit (how long you can study without burning out) and your work/school life :)

if your max is an hour, or even 30 minutes, that's perfectly fine. The important thing is remaining consistent throughout your learning

[frigid tinsel]

@spiral axle Do you have a grammar book with exercises? Its one thing to learn the theory, but it usually takes a few practice problems before I'm able to consistently apply a new German Grammar concept.

And even with practice exercises, I make mistakes and need tons of corrections.

[frigid tinsel]

Lets see... 30 minutes of driving (== 30 minutes of songs / German passive listening), around 30 minutes to 1 hour of Anki (I'm slow, +5 words/day. But I do lots of dictionary lookups as part of my daily Anki learning). Maybe 30 minutes Grammatik aktiv, daily. So ~1 hour minimum plus various extra tidbits (reading, listening, watching German Youtube) on top of that. But passive listening isn't much "work" for me.

1 hour minimum daily, if I'm being honest. I don't think I've gone any lower than that.

[glacial crag]

I recommend writing + speaking a lot on this server, or with anyone really. Grammar exercises are definitely good, but creating your own unique sentences is where most of the internalizing happens :)

[frigid tinsel]

Das stimmt. Ich schreibe manchmal ein Sätz. Ich soll mehrer oft (ofter??) schreiben.

[glacial crag]

einen Satz / Sätze
Ich sollte öfter schreiben

see, just like that

[frigid tinsel]

Aber ich habe Angst, es zu sprechen.

Ah, yes. Konjunctiv II

that makes sense.

accusative == einen, right?

[glacial crag]

Ich habe Angst, (mehr / mit Leuten) zu sprechen

[glacial crag]

yes, given that the noun is masculine

and just like that, you corrected 3 mistakes

don't be afraid, operating at the edge of your ability is exactly what you want for growth

okay i gtg

[frigid tinsel]

Thx!

[glacial crag]

but speak more! You are building very good sentences already and will improve much quicker with lots of output 👍

and input

[distant verge]

Wenn du Angst hast, um hier mit Leuten zu sprechen, dann kannst du einfach irgendwelche Spielservern finden. Z.b. für CS 2, aber auf Deutsch

[frigid tinsel]

Hoffenlich SC:BW. Wenn spielen ich CS:2, denn zwei (problems?) Probleme wir** haben.

Ich wurde (dizzy??) mit FPS.

[distant verge]

die Probleme ist plural von das Problem

[distant verge]

und bin nicht ganz sicher, aber vllt "wenn ich CS2 spiele, dann habe ich zwei Probleme"

[distant verge]

Du kannst auch z.b. Peak Spiel spielen, oder andere Spiele, die haben Kooperative-Modus

[frigid tinsel]

Das erste Problem ist, das ich schlect Deutsch spreche*. Das zweite Problem ist, das ich schlect FPS spiele**!

(Note: I still haven't practiced** relative clauses yet lol. I'll... get there.....)

[distant verge]

Es ist aber kein Problem. Du kannst immer sagen, dass dein Deutsch noch nicht gut ist, und andere Leute werden mit dir einfacher oder langsamer sprechen (wenn sie es natürlich wollten)

[indigo bear]

If you're talking about the sentence you just wrote, it wouldn't include any relative clauses.

[frigid tinsel]

Is it just a normal subordinate clause in this case?

[indigo bear]

Yes, a dass-clause.

And don't forget to conjugate verbs.

Ich spreche, ich spiele.

[mellow blaze]

ah now i no wat the clarity about the relative pronoun question

so for relative pronouns

is it like

das ist die Persone, die ich gesehen habe

or das ist die Persone, die von mir gesehen war

thats where i got confused with using dass as about the same meaning

das is die Persone, dass ich gesehen habe

i was wondering if relative pronouns had to be the subject still, or it can be changed into the object/indirect object

[indigo bear]

Relative pronouns are a subject or object. It plays the same role as a noun in the sentence.

But "dass" does not do that. Dass is just a conjunction. It's like a filler word with no meaning by itself, that's just there to make the sentence work.

So in your example:
Das ist die Person, die ich gesehen habe.

The "die" refers to a person, you can define exactly what it refers to.

Ich denke, dass Katzen süß sind.

Here, you can't identify that "dass" refers to any specific thing. It's just some meaningless word that provides a connection between the two clauses.

[mellow blaze]

oh

[hollow pasture]

anyone know a place i could refer to for internet slang/abbreviation in german

i see so many abbreviations that i just cant figure out

[winter kayak]

https://library.fes.de/FDGB-Lexikon/texte/anhang/anhang/Verzeichnis_der_Abk�rzungen.html

Abbreviations (Abkürzungen), pretty exhaustive list

but Abkürzungen aren't necessarily or even usually 'slang', so perhaps it doesn't answer your question.

[hollow pasture]

i meant more for internet texting slang

like vielleicht -> vllt

[winter kayak]

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_von_Abkürzungen_(Netzjargon)

[astral yoke]

faq word order

[livid steeple]

FAQ not found. I found the following similar entries: Word Order for Verbs (1), Word order of verbs (2), Word Order for Nouns & Pronouns (3), Word order verbs (4)
Select one of the values in the brackets to directly open the suggested FAQ.

[astral yoke]

so you could go to #botchannel and look up those 4 topics if you need to learn more abt them ^^

[vocal zinc]

how does the sentence "alle waren schwimmen" work

alle waren beim schwinnen sounds okay but i heard the phrase in a cartoon

[indigo bear]

This is an advanced grammar topic called Absentiv.

faq absentiv

[livid steeple]

Absentiv

What on earth is absentiv?

Theo ist einkaufen
Absentiv (or absentive in english) is a grammatical aspect (like how konjunktiv ii is also an aspect) in German. It is used quite commonly in spoken / colloquial standard german, and almost never in formal / written german. As the name 'absentive' might suggest, it is used to express someone's absence in combination with an activity that is the reason for their absence. Key parts of this include the implication that the person will eventually return from their absence, and that the action they're partaking is is something that they do regularly. E.g. hobbies, occupations, etc.

The absentiv is not a progressive tense

Unlike the 'am-progress' Theo ist am einkaufen, the absentiv makes no comment on the state of progress or completion of the activity the subject is doing. It only states that they are not in the current location due to the mentioned activity: for all we know Theo might have already finished shopping and currently be on his way home, or he might only just have arrived at the store.

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[astral yoke]

@scenic obsidian answered your question already yesterday 10:44 AM 🤷‍♂️

[indigo bear]

Beginners shouldn't worry about learning this.

[vocal zinc]

Sorry i didnt notice that

[vocal zinc]

Thanks as well

[nova wedge]

I know ie usually makes it say E name
What about EI? Did I just pronounce it by the sound of the letter or do I say I name

[vocal zinc]

ei is similar to english "I"

[nova wedge]

The sound or name

[vocal zinc]

im not surr what you mean by that but thr answer is probably the sound

I am a human

Like the way youd say that

[nova wedge]

Like bei does it sound like the English word? By

[vocal zinc]

Yes it sounds like it

[nova wedge]

So I says its name

Danke

[nova wedge]

Practicing with some new words
Die Fledermaus sieht den Vogel und sitzt bei ihm.
Kann ich bei dir sitzen? (this was confusing to learn.)
Der Vogel sitzt beim Mann.

[hollow pasture]

dankee

[native hemlock]

Was ist die beste App zum Deutschlernen?

[dusk umbra]

Hello, can someone please teach me the difference of the cases? Dative, Nominative, Accusative, Genitive. I still can't understand them no matter how hard I try :(

[indigo bear]

What do you know so far?

[dusk umbra]

I know that we have a Nominative case when there's a direct object, Accusative for an indirect one, Dative I think when we claim something is ours and Genitive for pretty much the reason as Dative I think. However, I still can't understand when do we have a direct object, an indirect one, etc.

And I know there's a certain article that applies to each individual combination of the case, gender, and number.

[nova wedge]

Only thing I know about that is if you see something it becomes a object

Der Mann sieht den Vogel.

[native hemlock]

What is the difference between Mein Name ist ~ and Ich Heiße ~ ?

[nova wedge]

It’s just how German normal talk. The other one is I am called.

I could be wrong though

They usually say things that sound the best

[dusk umbra]

Hmmm I'm not sure

There is a differrence but I'm not sure what it's called

[nova wedge]

Like in German, you can say my favorite animal are, but they usually say it my beloved animal are

Mein Lieblingstier sind

[frigid tinsel]

How do you pronounce "Eisenhower"?

President #34, creator of the modern US Highway system?

German ei is identical to Eisenhower.

[frigid tinsel]

I gave you the ball. The English concept is that the "verb" has the property of what and when to use direct vs indirect objects. (In this case" give takes both a direct and indirect object).

German courses should be ordered to teach you "easier" verbs first in A1 where you don't have to worry about this as much... But if you are self studying you will have to make sure you memorize how to use verbs as you learn them.

German is actually very similar to English conceptually. But the exact properties need to be rememorized per verb.

Your typical day 1 of German has "Wie geht es Ihnen?", which is actually a Dativ example from the start. And you just have to memorize it

[dusk umbra]

if it takes both a direct and indirect object doesn't that make it both Nominative and Accusative? And if it does, then how will I know which article to place from the table?

[glacial crag]

could you try build a sentence that contains both a direct and indirect object?

hold up I'll send a vid

or,

faq cases

[livid steeple]

Cases

Cases
German has four grammatical cases (der Fall or der Kasus in German): nominative, accusative, dative, and genitive. A case alters a noun, pronoun, adjective, etc., in some way to mark its grammatical function in a phrase, clause, or sentence. For example, the main function of the nominative (der Nominativ) case is to mark the subject in a sentence:

Ich liebe die deutsche Sprache!

In this sentence, the pronoun ich represents the first person subject and is in the nominative case. Every noun, pronoun, adjective, etc. has form in every case and it is very important to learn all of them. For example, the accusative form of ich is mich:

Die deutsche Sprache liebt mich!

See >explain adjective declension to get started on that. Don't get discouraged by how much there is, it takes some time master.

To see an explanation of the usages of every case, see their individual articles:
>explain nominative
>explain accusative
>explain dative
>explain genitive

[glacial crag]

(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I7vsv8DN9EE&t=321s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fPKH95g_9cs&t=533s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-dgLzu18EU&t=433s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94VLf1y7eyY&t=683s)

[winter kayak]

You have a mistake. If we use the 1:1 comparison, the German accusative is comparable to a direct object. And dative is comparable to an indirect object. Genitive objects of verbs are exceedingly rare and more of a C1 topic.

A few verbs take nominative: sein, werden, bleiben

Many verbs take accusative: haben, sehen, essen, usw.

Some verbs take dative: helfen, entgehen, folgen,...

And some verbs take both accusative and dative. These pretty much always involve an object (accusative) and a receiver (dative).
Ich gebe meinem Bruder einen Hund.
The brother receives (dative), the object being given is the dog (accusative)

Ich habe dir ein Brötchen gekauft.
You (indirect object, dative) receive the roll (direct object, accusative).

[frigid tinsel]

Nominative is "the subject". Like "I". In English, we have direct objects and indirect objects ("me"), there's a subtle difference but in most cases it doesn't matter.

That's why we have to work with specific (English) sentences (ex: "I gave my brother the dog", taking lolo's example), which sets up a direct object + indirect object situation in English.

[dusk umbra]

danke schun

[dusk umbra]

I wanna learn how to differentiate the cases now in German sentences. My guess is that the first sentence (until the question mark) is genitive because it's used to identify whose the clock is and the second sentence is also Genitive

[glacial crag]

no, this is the nominative case

[glacial crag]

like lolo said, there's a few verbs that take the nominative, and one of them is sein

Ist > 3rd person singular of the verb sein

so in this field, you'd put die or eine

Ist das (die/eine) Uhr?

Ja, das ist (die/eine) Uhr

[dusk umbra]

is sein a verb?

[glacial crag]

yes

sein > to be

[dusk umbra]

ohhhh

[glacial crag]

it is an irregular verb

but it's one of the most important verbs in the language

[dusk umbra]

so sein only takes nominative?

[glacial crag]

yes

[dusk umbra]

like exclusively?

[glacial crag]

well, the verb has different functions

it's also used to form the past tense (haben also does this in some verbs)
Ich bin gegangen > I have gone

[dusk umbra]

also the exercise is about possessive pronouns I forgot to mention that my bad

[glacial crag]

but for now, you don't need to learn this

[dusk umbra]

Okay

[glacial crag]

try your best

what do you think?

[dusk umbra]

So if it's in nominative then that means hmm..

[glacial crag]

hint: Uhr is a feminine noun

[dusk umbra]

So..

According to this table

If Uhr is Feminine , in singular and first person (ich)

then i'm guessing mein?

[glacial crag]

refer to this table, the one you sent has some errors

[dusk umbra]

Alr thanks for letting me know!

Hm

oh yeah silly me, it's meine

[glacial crag]

👏

[dusk umbra]

I really appreciate the help

is the second sentence also in nominative?

[glacial crag]

but,,, you should be careful with where you get your grammar tables from

[dusk umbra]

I mean on exercise 1

[glacial crag]

yes

[dusk umbra]

Yup

[dusk umbra]

so it would be deine?

[glacial crag]

correct

[dusk umbra]

Alrightt

First part of the sentence I think is in nominative here, on question 2 because it simply states the subject "_ Auto" which means it would be sein, because it's in singular form and also neuter.

I hope I got it correct

[glacial crag]

good! Sein Auto is correct
Also, you should do all the work and send it at once :)

[dusk umbra]

okayyy

[frigid tinsel]

It does in (older) English. In grade school I was taught "That person is I"

Colloquial / modern English doesn't seem to do this anymore though.

A change that happened within my lifetime....

[dusk umbra]

damn the fact that I understand the cases pretty well in Greek but stomp when I see them in English or German ooif

[edgy forum]

I umm I had a question

Soo do people even use gern geschehen?

I've heard bitte schön alot

Is gern geschehen even used in real life or it's just a textbook stuff?

[dusk umbra]

So here, I was wondering, isn't the second part of the sentence possessive, therefore in genitive? "My bicycle"?

[winter kayak]

It is actually just a possessive article. The case is still nominative.

Genitive would be like: Die Farbe meines Fahrrades

Or even: Die Farbe des Fahrrades (just to emphasize that genitive doesn't have to do with the article)

[dusk umbra]

Oh my that's confusing

I think I still haven't grasped how the cases work

but I don't want to give up

[glacial crag]

dw, that's a different type of intuition you develop overtime :)

after getting the very basics of cases down

[glacial crag]

so pretty much what lolo said

[dusk umbra]

I didn't understand what Lolo meant here

explain nominative

[livid steeple]

Nominative

The nominative case (der Nominativ) is one of the four cases of the German language. A case affects how a noun or noun phrase is inflected, and indicates the role of the noun or noun phrase in a clause.

How do I decline in the nominative case?

Definite articles: der, die, das
Indefinite articles: ein, eine, ein

Personal pronouns:

ich - I
du - you
er - he
es - it
sie - she/they
wir - we
ihr - you guys
Sie - (formal) you/you guys

For a full explanation, including adjectives, see >explain adjective declension

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[winter kayak]

You should start by just understanding nominative and accusative, with simple common verbs. Then dative. Then genitive later on.

[dusk umbra]

Okayy

Got it

explain accusative

[livid steeple]

Accusative

The accusative case (der Akkusativ) is one of the four cases of the German language. A case affects how a noun or noun phrase is inflected, and indicates the role of the noun or noun phrase in a clause.

How do I decline in the accusative case?

Feminine and neuter nouns and adjectives are the same as nominative. Masculine determiners, adjectives, and weak nouns gain an -en ending::

Ich esse den/einen/keinen kleinen Apfel.

Personal pronouns differ for:

ich --> mich
du --> dich
er --> ihn
wir --> uns
ihr --> euch

For a full explanation see >explain adjective declension

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[winter kayak]

Unfortunately, in your most recent example, there are several things going on that might make it confusing. First the fact that a possessive article like 'mein' doesn't equate to genitive. Second, the fact that in a comparative clause (the part with the 'wie....Fahrrad'), the case of the noun is determined by the case of what it's being compared to. In this case, you're comparing 'sein Auto' with 'mein Fahrrad.' Sein Auto is the subject of the sentence, and is in nominative. So 'mein Fahrrad' is also in nominative.

[dusk umbra]

So if I'm comparing two things and one is in nominative then 100% the other is in nominative too?

[winter kayak]

Yes, as long as the thing outside of the wie/als clause is in nominative, the thing within it should also be in nominative. Some examples:

Du bist so groß wie ich.
Dein Fahrrad ist nicht halb so schön wie mein Fahrrad.
Meine Tochter wird eines Tages so groß wie ihre Mutter.

[dusk umbra]

and what does wie/als mean?

[scenic obsidian]

So the case describes what role the noun plays in the sentence

Der Hund beißt den Mann.
The dog bites the man.

Der Hund = subject, it's in nominative

Den Mann = object (of the verb beißen), it's in accusative

We can change what's in front of the noun, without changing the case, because the role of the noun in the sentence hasn't changed.

Therefore:

Mein Hund beißt meinen Mann.
My dog bites my man (or rather, my husband).

It would only be in genitive case if the noun itself had a role requiring genitive

[dusk umbra]

Okay

Also Den Mann means The man right?

[scenic obsidian]

For example

Der Hund des Mannes
The dog of the man
Der Hund meines Mannes
The dog of my man (my husband)

[scenic obsidian]

Yes

[dusk umbra]

Doesn't that make it a subject too?

[scenic obsidian]

No

den Mann

That shows accusative case

Accusative is not the subject

[dusk umbra]

What makes it different from "The dog"?

[scenic obsidian]

The difference is in the German itself

[dusk umbra]

Ohhhh

[scenic obsidian]

der Hund beißt den Mann

"der" shows nominative case
"den" shows accusative case

[dusk umbra]

I thought they were two small sentences. Der Hund and Dem Mann

[scenic obsidian]

Der Hund beißt den Mann.
The dog bites the man.

In English, we rely on word order to know which noun is the subject vs which is the object

In German, the thing before the noun shows this, through cases

So for example, you could write:

Den Mann beißt der Hund.

That also means "The dog bites the man"

[nova wedge]

Ich trinke mein Getränk.
Is funny to me

[scenic obsidian]

"der" = nominative = subject
"den" = accusative = object

Even if the word order is switched, it doesn't matter, the definite article shows which one is subject vs. Object

[dusk umbra]

So in "Das Mädchen spielt mit ihrem Hund" the subject is the girl and the object is the dog? And it's in accusative?

[scenic obsidian]

The subject is the girl

[dusk umbra]

Okayy

[scenic obsidian]

"mit" is a preposition

"her dog" is an object, but not an object of the verb, but an object of the preposition, the preposition "mit'

[dusk umbra]

how do I know if it's an object of the preposition or of the verb?

[scenic obsidian]

A big hint is if there is a preposition right before the noun 😄

"mit ihrem Hund"

[dusk umbra]

okay and what happens if it's an object of the preposition rather the verb?

[scenic obsidian]

Also, technically speaking, it should be "Das Mädchen spielt mit seinem Hund"

Because "Mädchen" is grammatically neuter, and the neuter possessive pronoun is "sein"

Literally: the girl plays with its dog

[scenic obsidian]

Then the preposition itself controls what case the noun needs

[dusk umbra]

Ohhhh

[scenic obsidian]

"mit" Always requires its object of the preposition to be in dative case

Hence

"Mit seinem Hund"

The -em shows dative case

Alright, I gotta go

[dusk umbra]

Okayy thank you

[serene island]

"Als Max bei der anschließenden Party Marie küsst, wendet sich der eifersüchtige Benjamin wutentbrannt von ihm ab. "

Dieser Satz ist unter der Beschreibung des Handlung des Films "Wo am I ? Kein System is sicher." auf Wikipedia gegeben.

folgende Sätz steht dort auch
"Dabei trifft er den charismatischen Max, der sofort auf eine Zusammenarbeit erpicht ist, als er von Benjamins Programmierfähigkeiten erfährt"

Meine Frage lautet warum benutzt man in den beiden Sätzen 'als' im Präsens. Dürfte man hier statt als auch wenn schreiben.
Könnte mir jemand den Grund klären.

[hollow umbra]

"wenn" wäre eher "jedesmal wenn", als ob das öfter passiert

Eigentlich sollte es eher in der Vergangenheit stehen, aber bei solchen Filmbeschreibungen benutzen sie oft den Präsens.

[sleek pebble]

good movie

[serene island]

Darf ich fragen, ob Sie ein Muttersprachler sind? @hollow umbra

[hollow umbra]

Ja bin ich, habe eben endlich mal versucht, die Rolle zu bekommen

[serene island]

Vielen Dank. weil Sie Muttersprachler sind, macht Ihre Erklärung etwas aus. Deswegen habe ich gefragt

[nova wedge]

Some practice sentences with some new words how do you do?
Kann ich mein Getränk trinken?
Ich trinke mein Getränk.
Ich Möchte ein Getränk.
Ich Möchte eine Nummer eins.
Der Mann hat mein Getränk.

[hollow umbra]

Du musst "möchte" klein schreiben 😊

"Ich möchte eine Nummer eins", soll das die Nummer des Gerichts auf der Karte sein?

Da sagt man z.B. "einmal die Eins, bitte"

[nova wedge]

Oh
Yeah, supposed to be like a menu number like if you go to McDonald’s and order the number one combo

[hollow umbra]

"Eine Vierzehn mit wenig Sieben" 😁 https://youtu.be/ByTG1fexb_s

[hollow umbra]

Here's a whole sketch about this concept

[nova wedge]

I don’t know enough to understand it

[hollow umbra]

"Pommes sind die Nummer Null Acht Fünfzehn" https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/08/15_(Redewendung)

[hollow umbra]

You can turn on the subtitles, they're not at all bad

[frigid tinsel]

Huh. That's how I play-ordered a train ticket in class. Cool to see that it's a fast food thing too.

Einmal nach Berlin, bitte.

For more tickets, is it a separated word btw?

Zweimal nach Berlin? Zwei mal die Eins. ???

Zweiten die Eins?

Assuming ex: I have friends or family with me and I'm ordering more things.

[frigid tinsel]

Wow, I'm realizing I haven't asked a grammar question in a while. But here's a new one for me....

Gott sei Dank

Wiktionary says it's either Konjunctiv I or Imperitive. So I'm thinking Konjunctiv I.

I realize this is a fixed expression ("Thank God") but I still feel like I want to learn the literal meaning too.

[frigid tinsel]

I guess my current literal understanding is roughly: "God could be thanked"

[astral yoke]

... rather shall be thanked -> Imperative

[frigid tinsel]

Oh, huh. Not what I was expecting.

[hollow umbra]

Ja, wir hätten dann gerne zweimal das Menü Eins 😁

[thin pollen]

Is there a difference between sich anziehen and anziehen when talking abt clothes ?

[astral yoke]

sure there is:
Ich ziehe mich an. (I put {some/any} clothes on)
Was soll ich anziehen? (what should I wear?)

[thin pollen]

ngl i forgot the actual question i wanted to ask but it was related to ziehen with reflexive/seperable verbs

i dont think it was this one

idk

it had to do with umziehen

sich umziehen

and anziehen

[astral yoke]

Sich umziehen is changing clothes (from sports to leisure e.g.)
But umziehen (not reflexive) means to move
Maybe it is best if you look up the words you're curious abt in a dictionary
AND best would be a German one with examples -> you still have us to ask if you're not sure abt some meanings.
https://www.dwds.de/wb/umziehen

[thin pollen]

Alr ty

[frigid tinsel]

Wiktionary is easier for us English speakers. However, it's not as comprehensive as dwds.

[indigo bear]

@frigid tinselNo it is Konj I.

[astral yoke]

The great problem - as I see it - is, wiktionary SEEMS to have only the most important meanings listed.
Therefore you don't get the small details that could help you to get to the ground of nuances 🤷‍♂️

[astral yoke]

How do you come to this conclusion? 🤔

[indigo bear]

The last image is from https://germanstudiesdepartmenaluser.host.dartmouth.edu/Subjunctive/KonjunktivI.html

[astral yoke]

Hmm, then I might have misunderstood my late father who 'translated' Gott sei Dank into Gott sei ('/e)s getrommelt und gepfiffen which I identified as Imperative. 🤷‍♂️

[indigo bear]

The main difference is that imperative doesn't have any 3rd person forms and these sentences are in 3rd person.

[astral yoke]

OKAY, my understanding was the form comes from:
Gott sei es gedankt -> Gott sei Dank 🙇‍♂️

[winter stream]

this is true it's just a conjunctive 1 in both cases

or like. this is not very different from being true

[indigo bear]

Isn't that still 3rd person or am I missing something?

[winter stream]

it's formally identical to the imperative, and crucially both this use of the conjunctive 1 and the imperative express wishes

so its not very different in meaning, but grammatically 'es sei Gott Dank' (=es sei Dank bei Gott, er möge Dank empfangen, es möge Dank für ihn geben) is 3rd person

the lack of 3rd person imperative forms is also why a command to formal Sie is technically in the conjunctive 1

even though i certainly never think about this consciously

Legen Sie das da ab <- conjunctive 1, third person plural. but obviously has a (formal) second person imperative sense

(the actual plural of the imperative would be legt after all)

(and you can tell that it's conjunctive because it doesnt delete the subject pronoun!)

[frigid tinsel]

Yeah, I barely can read DWDS, A2ish just isn't enough for it to be understood. But the tidbits I can read are very good for detail. As I get better in German it hopefully becomes a better tool.

[astral yoke]

I feel you! When I was first inroduced in a English -English dictionary, I was confused also. But I can tell from experience, you get used to it with every word you look up. 🤯 🤷‍♂️

[olive flare]

So I was reading a book, and it has written:

"Diese Schulaufführungen sind fast immer Musicals, und das Letyte, was ich bruache, ist es, vor der gesamten Schule solo singen zu müssen"

Why is there an "Es" in the "ist es" clause?

[astral yoke]

"Es" must be here a piece of music, that has been mentioned before.

[olive flare]

Ah ok

[drifting glacier]

Small question (sorry if this isn't the right place/type of question for here), but when talking about like a pretty sunset, would "schön" the be correct term? or is there a term that fits better/expresses the visual nature of it more?

[astral yoke]

You can use 'schön' here or some other adjectives that fit, like:
atemberaubend (breathtaking)
Wundervoll (wonderfull)
hinreissend (adorable)
golden/in Gold getaucht (golden/golden hued)
überwältigend (overwhelming)
spektakulär (spectacular)
phänomenal (phenomenal)
unbeschreiblich (undescribable)
faszinierend (fascinating)
märchenhaft (fabled)
erhaben (sublime/statly)
ehrfurchtgebietend (sublime)
verzaubernd (enchanting)
überwältigend (stunning)
ehrfurchtgebietend (awestriking)
ethereal (überirdisch)
majestätisch (majestic)

... pick your poison 🤷‍♂️
I hope that my selection is helpful 🙇‍♂️

[indigo bear]

Wiktionary has a lot of really cool, specific facts about words and word usage though. It's a great resource.

And since the discussion was about usefulness for beginners, it's worth considering that beginners only need the "most important meanings" most of the time.

[astral yoke]

You're right! for starters it's the first step(s), but I often see questions like
What's the difference beween
ziehen, umziehen, anziehen...
and then you must dig deeper 🤷‍♂️

[indigo bear]

Hmmmm, but I'm not sure a beginner could even get that info out of something like DWDS. It would be pretty confusing.

[astral yoke]

That's why I'm trying to get them to look there and after that ask here for clarification, if they need it. I think learning should be out of curiosity - it helps to get a maximum of the attention to a 'new' subject

[scenic obsidian]

Is this a reference to something?

[flint bolt]

personally i reccomend going from wiktionary (english) to wiktionary(deutsch) then DWDS

DWDS is a bit intimidating imo

its true it is more comprehensive but as a beginner you usually want the most general usage

[serene island]

"Benjamin gibt sich im Darknet als MRX aus und bekennt sich zu dessen Verrat an Krypton. Der erboste MRX fällt darauf herein und ermöglicht Benjamin so die Rückverfolgung seiner Spur."

Warum benutzt man hier dessen Verrät an Krypton . Ich verstehe diese Struktur nicht.

Ähnlicherweise hat man in den folgenden Satz deren Veranlagung zu benutzt. Könnte mir jemand den Grund dafür erklären (mit anderen Beispiel Sätzen bitte. )

"Lindberg, die nun rehabilitiert ist, erinnert sich inzwischen an einige Ungereimtheiten in Benjamins Erzählung...Vom Psychiater von Benjamins Mutter erfährt sie, dass Benjamin deren Veranlagung zu dissoziativer Identitätsstörung geerbt haben könnte."

[sleek pebble]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Man_Bites_Dog_(film)

[valid hedge]

guys, this is the answer page of Schreiben Teil 1 & 2 of Goethe B2 official Modelsatz.

Can someone tell me why in teil 2, it's: "weil ich ein Problem mit meinen Kollegin habe"

shouldn't it be meiner Kollegin? or is there something I don't know yet?

and then in the next sentence the Kollegin is referred to using 'Er', are these obvious typos? I didn't excpect this from an official goethe modeltest

[oblique snow]

It's an example of what level of writing is expected of you and contains errors in basically every sentence

[valid hedge]

can i atleast pass if i write something similar to this?

[sleek pebble]

it’s not an example for good german

what you’re looking at are examples for teachers to grade and assess L2 speakers’ german level

so don’t study this

it contains many mistakes

[valid hedge]

I don't mean exactly this, but something similar

Can I pass the exam?

[sleek pebble]

i don’t know, you would have to ask an examiner that

[serene island]

"Benjamin gibt sich im Darknet als MRX aus und bekennt sich zu dessen Verrat an Krypton. Der erboste MRX fällt darauf herein und ermöglicht Benjamin so die Rückverfolgung seiner Spur."

Warum benutzt man hier dessen Verrät an Krypton . Ich verstehe diese Struktur nicht.

Ähnlicherweise hat man in den folgenden Satz deren Veranlagung zu benutzt. Könnte mir jemand den Grund dafür erklären (mit anderen Beispiel Sätzen bitte. )

"Lindberg, die nun rehabilitiert ist, erinnert sich inzwischen an einige Ungereimtheiten in Benjamins Erzählung...Vom Psychiater von Benjamins Mutter erfährt sie, dass Benjamin deren Veranlagung zu dissoziativer Identitätsstörung geerbt haben könnte."

[sleek pebble]

it’s the declension of a relative pronoun

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/der#German (scroll down a bit)

genitive

so „dessen Verrat“ in that sentence means „MRX’ Verrat,“ it refers back to it

think of it like „its“ in english — „the company and its eagerness to turn a profit“

[serene island]

Ok thanks for replying 🙏 @sleek pebble

[pastel merlin]

The verbs that take both Akkusativ and Dativ don't need to be learned as their usage is obvious with the direct and indirect object concept. Am I right?

Secondly, please correct my explanation:
There are 3 kinds of verbs:

1. Verbs mit nur Akkusativ - Here we have only 2 persons/things, the subject is nominativ and object is akkusativ.

2. Verbs mit nur Dativ - Here we also have only 2 persons/things. The subject is nominativ and object is dativ and these verbs are about 50 in total german and must be learned by heart.

3. Verben mit Dativ und Akkusativ - Here we have direct/indirect object and the case is clear according to that. No need to learn by heart.

[ember marsh]

too much info for a card?

[idle sable]

its quite lacking

(jk)

[ember marsh]

I think I gotta split it up, at least for the sich version

[idle sable]

would make sense, yes

[empty vale]

Yes you should do the bare minimum but then also supplement it with reading and regular immersion to develop your own sense of meaning

Just relying on definitions solely violates a lot of how actual people speak, or simply said the language arts

Stfu

<@&305455824174710787>

[indigo bear]

Don't make comments like that please.

[dusk umbra]

Is the sentence “He kissed his wife” nominative and accusative?

[indigo bear]

Yes, if you write the sentence in German, then "he" will be nominative and "his wife" will be accusative.

[dusk umbra]

Perfect okay

[indigo bear]

Of course in English it's not, because English doesn't use those cases.

[dusk umbra]

Im trynna understand it in English first and then German

[dusk umbra]

Yep

[indigo bear]

I recommend the first 2 worksheets on this page: https://www.nthuleen.com/teach/grammar.html

[dusk umbra]

And also in the sentence “He loves the color of his car” is it in Nominative (He) and then Genitive (his car) if translated in German?

[hexed forge]

Besprenge dein Gesicht mit kaltem Wasser

Does this make snese? I want to say "splash your face with cold water"

I don't know if this is idiomatic

[indigo bear]

Yes.

he -> nom
the color -> akk
his car -> genitive

[dusk umbra]

Danke!

[hexed forge]

This is a deepl translation. But dictionary says besprengen means sprinkle not splash

[dusk umbra]

“My bag is full of your candies”
My - Nominative
your candies - Accusative
So that makes it:
“Mein Tosche ist von vull deine Süßigkeiten”?

I’m trying to get the hang of it until I can do some exercises

[pastel merlin]

@indigo bear

[indigo bear]

Yes that's correct.

There are some other categories though.

[pastel merlin]

Is this fine for A2 level? And please link me to those other categories

[indigo bear]

Other categories:
Copular verbs (e.g. sein, they take nominative only)
Genitive verbs (verbs with only a genitive object)
Lehren has 2 accusative objects

Beginners need the first one of those, but they don't need genitive verbs.

[pastel merlin]

Can you please explain with an example about how lehren takes 2 akkusativ objects? and is this an exception?

[indigo bear]

Meine Großmutter lehrte mich das Stricken.

Yes, it's an exception.

There are only a few double accusative verbs.

[pastel merlin]

ok, right

also I have another query that with liegen, which is the correct auxialiary for the perfekt. In the yourgermanteacher compiled list, I see it is sein but when deepL translates that same sentence, it uses haben.

[indigo bear]

From Wiktionary: "The most common auxiliary with liegen is haben: Ich habe gelegen. In northern and central Germany, this form is strongly predominant and in some regions exclusive. In southern Germany, Austria, and Switzerland, sein is usual in the vernacular and also, alternatively, in standard usage: Ich bin gelegen."

[pastel merlin]

so let me just stick with haben then

[sleek pebble]

note: this does not hold true for liegen in the sense of being situated somewhere when describing whereabouts
„Das Hotel ist südlich gelegen“

„Vor dem Wiederaufbau war das Postamt weiter nördlich gelegen.“

but i think there might be a nuance with more theoretical concepts like administrative units (cities, countries) and geographical descriptions, not very sure though, i will think about this later

[dusk umbra]

. whenever somebody can plz!

[thin pollen]

not sure of the preposition but if it's von, then i think it should be:
Meine Tasche ist voll von deinen Süßigkeiten

[dusk umbra]

But isn’t bag masculine?

and candies in plural?

[thin pollen]

No it's feminine. It's die Tasche

[dusk umbra]

ohhh

[thin pollen]

Yeah

[dusk umbra]

isn’t it Deine Akkusativ Plural?

[thin pollen]

No the preposition von follows the Dativ case here

[dusk umbra]

Ohhhh

[thin pollen]

and the plural in dativ uses den

So it's deinen Süßigkeiten

[dusk umbra]

How do I know it follows dative?

[thin pollen]

You have to learn the cases of the prepositions

The prepositions are either akkusativ only, dativ only or both

[dusk umbra]

Yeahh that’s what I’m currently learning right now but how do I know if they’re in akkusativ only dativ only or both?

[thin pollen]

the one way prepositions are fixed they always follow the dativ/akkusativ but the two way prepositions depend on how they're used

prepositions

[dusk umbra]

two way are two prepositions in a row right?

[thin pollen]

help prepositions

[livid steeple]

No command or module called prepositions found.

[thin pollen]

Wait idk the command mb

faq prepositions

[livid steeple]

FAQ not found. I found the following similar entries: Prepositions of Place Part 1, Dual prepositions, Two-way prepositions, Verb prepositions, Two way prepositions, Verbs with prepositions.

[thin pollen]

..

faq Two-way prepositions

[livid steeple]

Two-way prepositions

Two-way prepositions (or dual prepositions) are prepositions that govern the accusative or dative case. Ten prepositions have this property, namely:

an     auf      entlang    hinter    in
neben  über     unter      vor       zwischen

Generally, these prepositions are used with the accusative if they express a direction or change of position. They are used with the dative if they express location.

For example, the verb etw. an etw. hängen can be used to express both meanings depending on the intention:

Ich hänge das Bild an die Wand. (I am hanging the picture on the wall.)
Das Bild hängt an der Wand. (The picture is hanging on the wall.)

Expressing direction vs. location

It is important to note that the accusative should only be used if something has moved from one position to another. If movement has been indicated, but the location has not changed, then the dative should be used. For example,

Der Hund läuft in den Park. (The dog ran (from somewhere) into the park.)
Der Hund läuft im Park (herum). (The dog is running in the park.)

The dative is usually used with verbs of arriving, appearing and disappearing

Even though these verbs indicate direction, they are still used with dative rather than accusative.

Sie kamen am Bahnhof an.
Sie landeten auf dem Mond.
Das Pferd verschwand hinter dem Berg.

[thin pollen]

@dusk umbra

[magic minnow]

whats the difference between gehen and kommen?

[thin pollen]

gehen means to go/walk
kommen means to come

[magic minnow]

easy to tell in translations but they can kind of be synonymous in sentences

[opal robin]

Hallo, I'm learning some german basics, and I wanted to know how a german would pronunciate some sentences... For example I have this text below I want to say:

Guten abend, es tut mir leid. Wo bin ich? Wie komme ich nach Gernsbach? Ich bin verloren. Konnen sie mir helfen?
How would a native speaker ask these questions? Not the words itself, but the question mark intonation in a sentence

[thin pollen]

not really they're kinda opposite directions

[opal robin]

I already watched some videos but they speak so fast that I can't understand how I could imitate using that sample text 😅

[winter kayak]

genau so wie im Englischen

[astral yoke]

First I would rephrase the sentences, I guess they are literally translated from english and that does not work well in all cases:
Guten Abend, entschuldigen Sie bitte. Wo bin ich? Ich habe mich verirrt. Wie komme ich nach Gernsbach? Können Sie mir helfen?

[opal robin]

I can understand that probably is the same in English, but my main problem is for longer sentences I can't put the intonation because I lost many time trying to pronounce every word correctly that when I end up and the end of the sentence it just becomes weird to put the question intonation

I think it's just a lack of practice, but I was just wondering if you have any tips

[opal robin]

Oh yeah, indeed, my bad! Danke

[winter kayak]

yes, I know what you mean. You're stumbling so much and it's very choppy, so it doesn't really "flow" naturally like a question. I wouldn't worry about it all too much. Just keep trying to practice, and eventually it will get less choppy and you'll naturally imitate what you hear.

[opal robin]

I forget many of the words are upper case

[opal robin]

Yeah exactly! It's a hard language to learn from beginning and I'm probably trying to jump faster than I can afford at this rate

I appreciate your help

[astral yoke]

No problem, it was my pleasure ☺️

[winter kayak]

maybe you already saw this, but I think it has some great examples (with english subtitles) of natives asking questions

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1WT_cuee12Y

[astral yoke]

All nouns are capitalized and if you're used to it, it makes reading faster 😉

[opal robin]

Yeah, I like that channel, it helps a lot! I will watch it again, thanks

[opal robin]

Yeah, the problem is that I need to get more vocabulary in order to say that the word X in german means a noun or not 😅

I have to practice more

[astral yoke]

Maybe just compare it for that issue with English, a noun is a noun like in German.

[astral yoke]

Oh, and while you learn new words, remember to memorize also the gender of each noun (der/die/das -> male/female/neuter)

[opal robin]

Yeah that's funny too, some words in English have a male gender while in german it is female, and vice versa

[astral yoke]

Yeah, big 'machines' like ships for example are female in English while das Schiff is neuter.

[opal robin]

Hmm I see

(New word learned hehe )

Thanks for your help!

[indigo bear]

Orange ones are two-way prepositions. Two-way means they can be either dative or accusative depending on which meaning you're using.

[nova wedge]

Bitte! - Is “ you’re welcome”?
Bitte. - Is “please”?
Bitte? - “what that?”
Is that correct?

[astral yoke]

partial, it always depends on the context and you can for example do the following:
Gib mir die Milch, bitte! -> give me the milk, please!

[nova wedge]

It’s kinda cool and like you have to learn the context of it

Danke

[digital needle]

in what situation would "bitte" mean "thank you"? Do you mean "you're welcome"?

[nova wedge]

Oh yes, my brain is tired

You’re right

[digital needle]

and just to be sure, with the third one you specifically mean "What's that?" as in "Could you repeat that?", yes?

[dusk umbra]

So if we have a sentence with the red ones then it's exclusively in Accusative and if we have one sentence with the yellow ones then it's exclusively in Dative?

[scenic isle]

Ich habe den Deutschen begrüßt, und er hat mir statt „Hallo“ etwas wie „Lusty“ gesagt, was bedeutet das, ist das auch eine Begrüßung?

[winter kayak]

kann es sein, das er 'grüß dich'/'grüß Sie' oder 'grüezi' gesagt hat?

[scenic isle]

Grüß dich wahrscheinlich, weil es eher klingt

Danke!

[rough grail]

Wann benutzt man "verwenden" und "benutzen"? Was ist der Unterschied zwischen?

[indigo bear]

Yes but it's not for the whole sentence. Cases only apply to individual nouns and pronouns. Every noun/pronoun has its own case, depending on if it's the subject or which type of object it is.

[winter kayak]

Verwenden und benutzen sind sehr ähnlich. An deiner Stelle würde ich mir keinen großen Kopf darüber machen 😉 verwenden ist vielleicht ein bisschen technischer.

[dusk umbra]

Correct but if we happen to have a dative or accusative preposition right before a noun then we don't have to worry about finding if it's a direct object, indirect object, etc, right?

[indigo bear]

Yes, objects of prepositions cannot be direct or indirect objects. They are just objects of prepositions. They're their own category.

[dusk umbra]

Okay so if I see for example bis before a noun then it's 100% in Akkusativ?

[rough grail]

Im Französischen gibt es 3 Möglichkeiten, dieses Verb zu verwenden

[indigo bear]

Yep, as long as it's being used as a preposition.

[dusk umbra]

And one last thing, if it's the orange ones in the diagram you sent me then I have to decide whether or not the noun moved from one place to another or remained in one place. For instance, "Die Kinder laufen in den Garten" is accusative because the children ran into the garden from another place and "Die Kinder laufen im Garten" is dative because the children, despite their running remained in the garden and weren't coming from another area.

[indigo bear]

Die Kinder, das Kind.

But yeah, you got the idea of two-way prepositions.

Although what you described is just for real physical things. There's also abstract usages which you have to memorise as set phrases. But that's an advanced topic you can learn later once you're used to all the rest.

[cloud badge]

Hallo, I have been trying to learn German (A1) on my own and I am following Deutsche Welle Nicos Weg for it, Is it good or you guys can suggest some other precious free resources?

[indigo bear]

faq resources

[livid steeple]

Resources

Here's a link to our curated list of resources: https://bit.ly/gladresources. Check out #resources if you want to submit some yourself!

[indigo bear]

faq beginner

[livid steeple]

How to get started

The simplest way to learn German is to find topics you don’t understand yet and search for explanations of them. This list provides you with a guide for which topics to learn if you are completely new to German. Type the topic into Google (or YouTube) and start learning!

Introduction

1: Alphabet (especially ä, ü, ö and ß)
2: Basic greetings (hello, goodbye, etc.)

Part 1 - Simple Sentence

1: Noun gender & plurals
2: Nominative case (What are cases?)
3: Nominative pronouns (I, you, he, she, etc.)
4: Verbs in present tense
5: Definite/indefinite articles
6: Accusative case (for nouns)
7: Accusative pronouns
8: Word order of simple sentences
9: How to ask questions

See Part 2 on the next page.

Tips

• Always learn the gender of a noun when you learn a new noun
• Learn to use a translation dictionary (e.g. dict.cc, leo.org)
• Use >faq resources to see our list of German learning resources
• For listening and pronunciation practice, try watching movies or videos (incl. YouTube)
• You can listen to pronunciation for words on websites like dict.cc, forvo.com, and others
• Practice writing sentences every day (and asking people to correct them)
• Ask as many questions as possible
• Don’t be scared to make mistakes!!!! If you don’t let yourself make mistakes, you will never be able to learn German

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[cloud badge]

you guys have an entire app page for that.

Awesome

[dusk umbra]

What do you mean by "real physical things"?

[frigid tinsel]

Its pretty easy to learn the real-world uses of prepositions in German. Auf vs an (both translating to "on" in English) actually is "on top" vs "hangs on", for example.

The really hard thing about German is remembering that its "sprechen auf Deutsch" (ie: Speak "on" German), not "Speak with German" like in English. Or helfen bei Putzen (Help "by" cleaning, but it "actually means" help with cleaning).

English vs German has mixed up the prepositions on many "abstract" ideas (help, speaking, etc. etc.).

The solution to this is that by A2, B1 or so... you just start memorizing verb + preposition combinations (like "bei etwas helfen"). But at absolute beginner stages, just try to focus on the basic and most easiest uses of prepositions.

[dusk umbra]

alrightt

[jovial remnant]

what is the difference between nachschauen and anschauen?

I suggested a place to someone but they didn't realize it's an actual place you can visit. This is the context and I don't know which one fits better

schau mal [auf Google Maps] Berlin Story Bunker nach
schau dir [auf Google Maps] berlin story bunker an

or would you phrase it differently?

[astral yoke]

imho only anschauen works here, nachschauen is rather to look whether sth is there or to gain some information like from a manual
and if it's text to read then you can use nachlesen

[tidal sandal]

Ich habe eine Hund

[frank quiver]

can I find a company to learn germany in here?

[jovial remnant]

have a look at # find-study-partners

[barren panther]

Hallo

[lucid torrent]

is all groups are locked or just i don't have permission to join

[hollow umbra]

I slightly disagree with @astral yoke, "nachschauen" is "look up", so if you just want to look up in Google Maps where that thing is, you can use nachschauen. "Anschauen" is look at something, so if you look at photos and reviews, this fits better

[astral yoke]

🤷‍♂️

[astral yoke]

https://www.dwds.de/wb/nachschauen

[nova wedge]

For Wassermelone
Can you just say Melone to mean the same thing like you can in English?

[astral yoke]

You can but there is a big variety of Melons out there
Honigmelone, Galiamelone, Wassermelone, Netzmelone... and a hat

[flint solstice]

melonen hut geht crazy

die deutsche fedora

[astral yoke]

🤷‍♂️

[nova wedge]

If I had the watermelon in my hand, I said my Melone it would be recognizable right?

[flint solstice]

in the context of you holding a watermelon saying meine melone

[astral yoke]

Sure, if you don't have the hat on at the same time 😜

[nova wedge]

X3

[flint solstice]

or if youre a woman you shouldnt say the plural version

meine melonen

there could be misunderstandings

😭

[nova wedge]

Die Melone ist süß.

[urban ingot]

Hi, if someone could check out my question forum on how to get into TU Munich that'd be amazing. It's a bit of a read but I just want confirmation if I'm doing things right. I'm an American student, a highschool Sophomore (10th grade), and I'm going to be studying German intensely for the next year and a half, but I need to know what milestones to hit once I'm more fluent.

[nova wedge]

Now the question is the watermelon sweet or is the hat cute

lol

[flint solstice]

die melone cant be the hat

because of the article die

no wait

i might be trippin actually

[astral yoke]

the hat is called die Melone

[flint solstice]

yea i noticed aswell

never heard anyone call that thing melone 💀

der melonen hut would be a better match

[flint solstice]

fiebertraum

noch nie so nh ding irl gesehen

[astral yoke]

Es gibt sogar einen Wikipedia-Eintrag, 1849 erfunden...

[nova wedge]

Now this makes me think. What will you call a watermelon hat like a hat that looks like a watermelon

[latent mulch]

Das ist das erste Mal, dass ich das sehe

why does dass work here?

should it be "in dem ich das sehe"

[astral yoke]

not really ^^ 🤷‍♂️

[pine quest]

Wassermelonenmelone oder so

[tight relic]

ja, Wassermelonen-Melone

[tight relic]

dass introduces the clause that specifies the action, dass starts a subordinate clause, verb goes to end
basically sounds more natural to use dass

[indigo bear]

I mean like locations, like a garden. An abstract example would be like "auf jdn warten".

Ich warte auf dich. = I'm waiting for you.

[stoic sphinx]

Hello , can you enable my account ?

[hollow umbra]

You could also say simpler: "Das sehe ich zum ersten Mal"

[frigid tinsel]

Have you studied subordinate clauses yet? The "dass" clause here is a subordinate clause, but there's many many ways of making those.

[frigid tinsel]

I wonder if the study material is trying to introduce subordinate clauses here...

[latent mulch]

i do know what they are

[pearl horizon]

rein bedeutet in?

„in“

[astral yoke]

hinein or herein depending on your point of view

[vast flax]

Was sind die großte unterschied zwischen Schweizer Deutsch und Deutsche Deutsch?

[gaunt vale]

Schweiß Deutsch?

[vast flax]

ja, ich meine ich weiß dass die Schweiße mit ein akzent spricht aber ich wollte wissen was andere unterschiede gibt

weil zu beispiel die leute von bayern haben seinem eigenes wörterbuch für das bayerisches Deutsch

[gaunt vale]

Schweizer Deutsch meinst du ehr

[vast flax]

ahhh

[gaunt vale]

Wegen Schweiz das Land

[vast flax]

Mein Fehler, danke für das korrektion

[gaunt vale]

Schweiß ist das was dein Körper produziert

[vast flax]

ö? hab ich es niemals gehört

ahhhh von schwitzen

[gaunt vale]

das Wasser zum abkühlen das dein Körper bei der Körpertemperatur bleibt

[gaunt vale]

genau

[vast flax]

jetzt "Schweiß Deutsch" hört sich lüstig aus

[gaunt vale]

das ist das was passiert und schweiß ist das wasser

[empty vale]

Die Aussprachen vor allem

Man versteht sich nicht

[silent plover]

Do the endings go onto nouns or only on the articles
Ein, dein, ect

[empty vale]

Übrigens lautet es Schweizerdeutsch

[empty vale]

Wdym endings

[silent plover]

Feminine masculine and plural

[empty vale]

That doesn‘t really explain much

Do you mean indicators for plural

Der Mann die Männer
Die Frau die Frauen
Das Mädchen die Mädchen

[silent plover]

Cause they have endings for articles

Einem, einer, deine

But does that carry over to nouns?

Everything I look up or see on German sites don't really explain this

[empty vale]

Wdym carry over

[scenic obsidian]

It's mostly on the thing before the noun:

Definite article

der Hund
die Katze

Possessive pronoun

mein Hund
meine Katze

Indefinite article

ein Hund
eine Katze

But sometimes, the noun itself changes

[empty vale]

Do you mean something like „mit einem Mannem“

[scenic obsidian]

Mit den kleinen Männern

[silent plover]

Like
If I say
Kind
Would I also add an ending to it too

Kinde, kinder, ect

(Eine kinde)
Or
(Eine kind)

[empty vale]

No

Kinde is not a word

[scenic obsidian]

Generally, no.

But sometimes, yes

des Mannes

[empty vale]

Also it‘s das Kind

[empty vale]

That‘s genitive though

[scenic obsidian]

And?

They didn't say, "every case except genitive"

[empty vale]

He‘s a beginner I don‘t think he knows what genitive is

I‘m just saying for him not for you

[silent plover]

It's possession 😭

[empty vale]

Yes but there are rules for it

[silent plover]

No that's dative

Oh no yeah genitive

[scenic obsidian]

No, not necessarily

[empty vale]

Both can indicate possession

Depends on the usage

[silent plover]

Geez I'm a beginner but it's not my first day
It's my third year T T

Well fourth

[scenic obsidian]

@silent plover here, this should help:

https://www.germanveryeasy.com/adjective-declension

[empty vale]

Wie kommst du drauf

?

Hab da gar nix mit kleinen Männern gesagt

[scenic obsidian]

Das Nomen selbst wird vom Kasus/Geschlecht bzw Plural beeinflusst. Die Frage war, "wird das Nomen je geändert bzw. kriegt das Nomen je eine Endung wegen Kasus/Geschlecht?"

Die Antwort ist, "meistens, nein, doch gelegentlich schon"

Das ist ein Beispiel dafür

[empty vale]

Ah ich hab das für eine Korrektur gehalten

Also @silent plover it is jaeger

[silent plover]

I might as well start from scratch though and see where I go from there since my German Is twisted in a way where I would have to relearn everything I had learned T T

[empty vale]

Unless that‘s another word that I am not knowing of

[scenic obsidian]

Did you check the charts on that website?

It shows you exactly how things change or don't change for the noun itself

[empty vale]

Read a grammar book

I can give some recommendations

[scenic obsidian]

"that I am not knowing of" feels like a weird usage of continuous

Just say, "that I don't know of"

[empty vale]

Lol I know

I just came back from 4 hours of titration 😭😭😭🙏

I’m so tired, I can’t even speak English properly haha

[scenic obsidian]

Who did you titrate? 😄

[empty vale]

Maleic acid

I had to find the identity of it

[scenic obsidian]

For some industrial process?

[empty vale]

Nooo for a uni course

[silent plover]

I am
Declensions is definitely a new one for me
Or maybe it isn't and it's just the first time I'm seeing it called that

It looks familiar but the way it's explained makes it seem like something I have never seen before

[empty vale]

@silent plover if you’re genuinely serious about learning the language, I would highly recommend learning the grammar properly through a course or a grammar book. Especially because the pedagogical values are already applied for someone to properly learn the language.

[scenic obsidian]

Declension IS "endings on stuff that changes based on the gender of the noun/the case of the noun (i.e. nominative, accusative, dative, genitive)"

[empty vale]

It seems like you’ve been learning it for a bit but things are slipping out

[scenic obsidian]

You said it's your 3rd year; how have you learnt so far? In a class or course?

[empty vale]

Also declension can be on certain nouns, depending on the case

Ich sehe den kleinen Jungen

[scenic obsidian]

What does "the pedagogical values are already applied" mean?

[empty vale]

Ich gebe dem großen Jungen ein Geschenk

[silent plover]

It's embarrassing how things actually do slip out because half the stuff I don't know
I wrote it in my notes at least 5 times
While learning it in class and should know

But I forgot it

[scenic obsidian]

Yeah, that's what I was saying earlier

[empty vale]

Well the books I’ve read pedagogists have properly designed the book to fit for a learner

Explanations, exercises, etc all contribute to the pedagogy

[empty vale]

It takes practice, structure, and dedication

[scenic obsidian]

I don't think I know what the word "pedagogy" really means

Despite being a native English speaker

[empty vale]

I mean I don’t know the word super well either, it’s just the way you learn simply said

[silent plover]

And I'm like starting to seriously lock in and learn it and now while I'm understanding the language more

Along with the cases

There's so much I still have to relearn so I can actually commit to memory

[empty vale]

Like education sort of

[scenic obsidian]

https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLKCEuz6wxDQk_EIj2hea3GbXiBdXfd3MW&si=_Ye7KUwdqkaBkrGN

Try this channel

[empty vale]

I mean I think if you have a book or something like a course to rely on then it can be nice to look back on

[silent plover]

I have about 55 pages worth of German notes thats all words, grammar, sentences, endings and genders

[empty vale]

Have you tried to actually talk to people

Or do any sort of language immersion

[frigid tinsel]

Hmmmm, the false beginner problem. The bane of all language learners.

[silent plover]

Oh yes!
Actually this could answer the question because

While of course we got the nominative "he"
Accusative "him"

Dative (reciever, like giving it to her and her would be the dative pronoun)

And genitive would be his

This question will probably be answered when I watch these

Okay I just remembered yeah there is more to just pronouns for cases

[frigid tinsel]

@silent plover have you heard of Grammatik aktiv?

[empty vale]

That’s one way of seeing it but do realize that’s not the only way of seeing cases with verbs

[frigid tinsel]

85 lessons, from A1 through the end of B1. If you do a lesson per day, you can cover the whole of the beginner levels in just a few months.

[empty vale]

Dative does not always mean indirect object

Cases are a lot more multifaceted