questions

[thin pollen]

Does liegen use sein or haben or both in the perfect?

[plush locust]

Wo?

[thin pollen]

yeah

[forest wasp]

Hallo, ich kann dem Sprachkanal nicht beitreten.
Könnten Sie mir bitte die passende Rolle geben?

[pale herald]

How to Read every ch correctly?

I can't read tsschuss

"ich" = "is"?

"AUCH" = "AUS"?

"mich" = "miks"?

[frigid tinsel]

I just found a Youtube video on this.

Well, not liegen, but on gefahren

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aqWsDtbWMcE

I have noticed that some verbs are described as haben OR sein as helper verbs.

This video is a bit advanced for me (I have to rewind + replay to understand). I can work my way through but slowly.

IIRC, I'm just slightly ahead of you, so you might also struggle a lot watching through this video....

[frigid tinsel]

Okay, I double checked and fahren is different than liegen.

[frigid tinsel]

So my actual research into liegen itself is Wiktionary. Which states:

The most common auxiliary with liegen is haben: Ich habe gelegen. In northern and central Germany, this form is strongly predominant and in some regions exclusive. In southern Germany, Austria, and Switzerland, sein is usual in the vernacular and also, alternatively, in standard usage: Ich bin gelegen.

This is very different than the video I was watching on fahren. But it's important to know that these verbs can switch between sein or haben helper verbs depending on various cases....

[orchid drum]

Could someone help me figure out what this artist is saying in a GTA radio station? . https://youtu.be/dBvMBYbUZFc?si=SnEiq9j53BUqEBFQ&t=32 [the line is at 0:32-0:39]

[indigo bear]

faq past tense

[livid steeple]

Perfekt

How to form the Perfekt tense

The Perfekt tense is formed by combining an auxiliary verb (haben or sein) with the past participle form of the main verb.

For example, if I want to write the past tense of “essen”/“to eat”, such as in the English sentence “I ate”, I first need to know the auxiliary verb that goes with essen (which happens to be haben), and the past participle form of essen (which is gegessen).

I can then combine them with the usual verb conjugation and word order rules, as such:
Ich habe gegessen. -> I ate. / I have eaten.
Ich habe das Brot gegessen. -> I ate the bread. / I have eaten the bread.

How to determine the past participle?

Just look it up in the dictionary! There are a few general patterns you can also learn about, but a dictionary will pretty much always list the past participle somewhere near the verb itself.

When to use haben and when to use sein as the auxiliary verb?

The basic rules are:
• Transitive verbs (verbs which take an accusative object) use haben
• Intransitive verbs which describe a change of location or change of state use sein
• Other intransitive verbs use haben

This may not be a 100% reliable set of rules, so if in doubt, you can always use a dictionary to verify the correct auxiliary. Also note that there are a few regional variations.

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[indigo bear]

Last section.

If the verb is being used transitively (with accusative object) the helper verb is haben.

[indigo bear]

@thin pollen And yes, some verbs also have regional variations in usage.

Usually it's examples similar to liegen, where it's a verb used intransitively that describes a kind of movement. So you can think of it like... some native speakers think of it as a movement and some think of it more like a normal action.

If you think about it like that, it makes sense why there's a variation.

[viral tinsel]

@civic dagger check these plzzzz

And to anyone else reading this, if you know German well then plz mark my assignmentsss (I am self learning they are not for school 'n shi )

[lunar lynx]

ich and mich use the /ç/ sound https://forvo.com/word/mich/#de, auch uses the /x/ sound https://forvo.com/word/auch/#de None of these are "ks"

[flint bolt]

seems right to me except for these two where you want kommen and lernen due to "und"

[viral tinsel]

Oh what I forgor, is "sie = they" or "ihr = they"?

I was thinking it was ihr

He (Er) + she (sie) = they (sie)

Oh nvm

[flint bolt]

ihr is "y'all" or "you guys" in english

not they

[civic dagger]

yea ihr is like plural of you

addressing the people youre speaking to

[flint bolt]

its like the one you use if youre doing a presentation in front of other people or a speech or whatever and address them in general

[viral tinsel]

Ohhhh ok

[flint bolt]

kann ich euch eine Frage stellen, Habt ihr je davon gehört

[viral tinsel]

Oh okokok

[flint bolt]

you'll get used to it with time especially once you actually do some presentations with it

[viral tinsel]

Alright I get it

[glacial crag]

you'll also come across ihr as a possessive pronoun and a dativ personal pronoun
Das ist ihr Auto (that's her / their car)
Das ist Ihr Auto (that's your car)
Sie entschieden sich, ihr zu helfen - they decided to help her (helfen takes dativ)

[viral tinsel]

Ja genau, I weiß, ihr = her, ihm = him

[viral tinsel]

helfen ist immer Dativ?

[glacial crag]

yes, it's a dativ verb

[viral tinsel]

Oh ja ok

[maiden talon]

any moderator here can help me

[past portal]

guten morgen, I muss eine Deutsh oral vorbereiten. Das Thema ist Jungendlichen mit bildschrim. Ist es gut ? Und haben sie anderen Idea ?
Hallo, heute, wird ich das thema "jungendlichen mit bildschirm" vorstelen.
Ins dieses thema gibt 3 Unterthemen ,die "Wie Alt für die blidschchim", "wann vebringt ein kinder zu viel Zeit vor dem Bildschirm?" und "Welches Lösungen" sind.

Die frage "Wie alt für die blidschim" ist often hartz für die familie, deshalbe gibt es Die tregel 3-6-9-12:
kein Bildschirm unter drei Jahren, keine eigene Spielkonsole vor sechs Jahren, kein Internet vor neun Jahren und kein unbeaufsichtigtes Internet vor zwölf Jahren.

Die Kinder machen in den ersten drei Jahren eine so große Entwicklung, dass wir ihnen keine Tablets, Handys oder Fernseher geben sollen, weil es seinem Entwicklung perturbieren

"wann vebringt ein kinder zu viel Zeit vor dem Bildschirm?"
4 bis 8 Jarre: Kinder und Schülerinnen und Schüler der Unterstufe sollten nicht länger als 30 bis maximal 60 Minuten pro Tag vor dem Bildschirm sitzen. Von 9 bis 10 Jahre sind die Empfehlungen 60 Minuten am Tag. Aber jedes Kinder ist andere, also es kommt darauf an.
Fast drei Viertel der 15-Jährigen verbringen pro Schultag mehr als zwei Stunden am Bildschirm.
Und es ist viel pro Schultag

Wie Tipps, um die Bildschirmzeiten von Kindern zu reduzieren . Es gibt viel wie :
Handyfreie Zonen definieren, Schaffen Sie attraktive Alternativen zur Bildschirmzeit, Seien Sie Vorbild, Bildschirmzeiten gemeinsam festlegen

[lean elk]

is it bad that i can already speak german?

[winter kayak]

Der Text enthält sehr viele Fehler.

[past portal]

ja ich weis, aber kannst du mich helphen, weil ich bin franzose und deutche ist für mich harz. Also... Wo sind mein Fehler ?

[indigo bear]

Bad how?

[lean elk]

i don’t know

[indigo bear]

This channel is for questions about German, such as grammar and vocab. Do you have a question?

[past portal]

It is grat if you can speak german why are you saying that it is bad ?

[lean elk]

no no! just saying

[indigo bear]

Okay, please move the discussion to a different channel in that case.

[lean elk]

sure

[pure harbor]

Hallo, können Sie mir ein Grammatikbuch empfehlen, das nur Erklärungen enthält ? (keine Übungen)

[indigo bear]

Only ask your question in 1 channel at a time please.

[pure harbor]

okay entschuldigung

[compact forge]

Hi. I doubt I will get a good answer so I’ll ask here: what preposition fills with the role of an isntrumental.

[lunar lynx]

mit, durch, via

mithilfe, per, anhand

And then you can go the DWDS pages of these words and find further synonyms (not all of them being prepositions however)

[compact forge]

Thanks 👍

[hollow pasture]

are gern and gerne always interchangeable?

[astral yoke]

I can't think of an exception🤔

[hollow pasture]

so is it just personal preference which to use?

though i think that i hear more examples of people saying just "Gerne." in response as opposed to "Gern." but thats probably not reflective of actual usage

[astral yoke]

or you say
gern geschehen

[hollow pasture]

aso

[astral yoke]

or
(das) hab ich gern(e) getan/gemacht

[hollow pasture]

das ist so lang

[astral yoke]

War mir ein Vergnügen!

[glacial crag]

"Wenn sich irgendeiner nie um die Umwelt kümmert, wird sie schmutziger und werden viele Tiere ihre Heimat verlieren."

Is it okay if i place werden like this? Or should I make a new hauptsatz?

[astral yoke]

It is okay but
irgendeiner nie -> nie jemand

[glacial crag]

Could you rewrite the first clause?

Idk if you mean that I should change the positioning (and irgendeiner to jemand)

[astral yoke]

Wenn sich nie jemand um die Umwelt kümmert, ...

[glacial crag]

whaat, I had no idea you could place it like that. That's actually pretty cool

is there any reason in specific that we change irgendeiner to jemand? I thought we could use them interchangeably

or, would it also be okay to use "einer"?

[astral yoke]

Colloquial you can say
Wenn sich nie einer um ...
But irgendeiner sounds just weird

[astral yoke]

^^

[glacial crag]

I see. Tysm for the help :)

[scenic obsidian]

Would it sound normal if the statement weren't being negated?

Wenn sich irgendeiner um die Umwelt kümmert, schmeißen wir eine Party.

?

[astral yoke]

It would ...
or
Wenn sich irgendwer/(irgend)jemand....

[scenic obsidian]

So do you think the key difference is then whether it's negated or not, is that what made it sound weird?

[astral yoke]

that might be it 🤷‍♂️

[tawny fractal]

Muss nicht ein "es" vor werden? Oder bin ich gerade blöd

[astral yoke]

Ich würde sagen kann:
und (es) werden viele Tiere 🤔

[scenic obsidian]

"und" usually means that something is shared between the clauses, right?

the "wenn" clause takes up position 1 in the first Hauptsatz. Does it take up position 1 in the second Hauptsatz that is joined with "und"?

If so, then you can't put "es" before the "werden"

Wenn sich nie jemand um die Umwelt kümmert, wird sie schmutziger und (Wenn sich nie jemand um die Umwelt kümmert,) werden viele Tiere ihre Heimat verlieren.

I'm not sure

[astral yoke]

imho you can 🤷‍♂️
and @tawny fractal even thinks you must

[wary jungle]

Whats the difference between haltstelle and Stehen?

[astral yoke]

Haltestelle is a place where means of transportation (bus, train) have regular, scheduled stops
Stehen means to stand, I don't see how those 2 are related 🤔

[wary jungle]

Oh yea No i got confused

I thought they were the Same thing

Like the Bus stehen and the Bus stehen in the Haltestelle

Idk why i didn't realise

[astral yoke]

did you take that from a dictionary translating 'stop'?

[wary jungle]

Yup

[astral yoke]

In German we say
Der Bus hält/bleibt stehen (not stehen alone)
Der Bus steht (is standing)

[wary jungle]

Oh

Thanks

[tawny fractal]

Hört sich iwie ohne für mich unvollständig an

[tawny fractal]

@sleek pebble was denkst du hierzu? Geht um den Satz weiter oben

I keep reading it but it sounds off to me 😭 if it's correct this way I wonder why it sounds like that to me

I mean I personally would've written it like 'und viele Tiere werden..' anyway

But with werden in the front it feels like something is missing 🥲

[sleek pebble]

normalerweise würden die meisten dieses (eigentlich) nutzlose platzhaltersubjekt dazutun, aber ich glaube, dass es nicht notwendig ist

wobei

die beispiele ohne „es“, die mir einfallen, haben „es“ irgendwo am anfang des satzes, sodass es einfach nicht nochmal wiederholt werden muss

[astral yoke]

das ist auch meine Meinung: man kann, muss aber nicht...

[sleek pebble]

„Es wird Sommer, wird wieder heller, wird wärmer!“

in dem satz oben stört es mich aber trotzdem wenig, dass „es“ nicht da ist, wobei die tendenz üblicherweise dahingeht

[astral yoke]

damit haben wir uns herumgeschlagen:
Wenn sich nie jemand um die Umwelt kümmert, wird sie schmutziger und werden viele Tiere ihre Heimat verlieren.

[sleek pebble]

ungewöhnlich, aber meiner meinung eine mögliche stilentscheidung

es lässt einen zumindest auf anhieb kurz darüber nachdenken, aber mir fällt kein alles übertrumpfendes argument ein, wieso es unter gar keinen umständen fehlen dürfte

[tawny fractal]

I don't like es there either, makes it sound less smooth, if I had to write it I'd do viele Tiere werden..

That's interesting though

Thanks for the info

I wonder if it can be partially a regional thing

[sleek pebble]

ja, der grund, wieso es mir hier eigentlich gefällt, ist, dass es sehr flüssig klingt

[tawny fractal]

Or if it's just me 🤣

[tawny fractal]

Jep, the es there def makes it feel more abgehackt

[sleek pebble]

aber ich habe die letzten tage auch 4-5 stunden am tag spanisch geübt, wo es dieses „es“ in solchen fällen null komma gar nicht gibt

😅

[sleek pebble]

in kleinem stile vielleicht, aber im großen ganzen eher unwahrscheinlich, weil das eigentlich ziemlich konsistent ist in germanischen sprachen

nur die verben, die soein subjekt normalerweise benötigen, ändern sich regional

[tawny fractal]

Gotcha, yea then it's probably just me

[sleek pebble]

„Es sind 12 Grad draußen“ kann im süden „Es hat 12 Grad draußen“ sein, aber eine variante gänzlich ohne „es“ sehe ich da nicht als möglich

in dem satze oben stört es mich aber eigentlich nicht, obwohl ich es instinktiv nicht so sagen würde

obwohl

obwohl!

„Draußen sind 12 Grad“

[tawny fractal]

Lol

Ja

[sleek pebble]

damit hätte ich eigentlich auch kein problem

obwohl draußen da kein richtiges subjekt ist

vielleicht ist das was syntaktisches

[tawny fractal]

Gotta change word order tho

[sleek pebble]

ja

[tawny fractal]

Weil viele Tiere werden

Ist ja auch ok

Nur werden viele Tiere hört sich für mich komisch an ohne es

[sleek pebble]

dann kann also ein verb in einem hauptsatz, der keine frage ist, nicht an erster stelle stehen(?)

oder gibt es dort eine abweichung

[tawny fractal]

@scenic obsidian need your grammar knowledge

[sleek pebble]

wobei das im obrigen satze auch alleinstehend sein könnte

hmm

vielleicht bedingt die aufzählung das

dieses gespräch wird mir viel zu denken geben

[tawny fractal]

Probably just sounds off to me tho, if you two say it's fine

[sleek pebble]

ungewöhnlich definitiv

die allermeisten würden es so nicht sagen, das finde ich auch

aber ich kann halt auch nicht begründen, wieso es definitiv falsch wäre

ich würde das einfach akzeptieren, wenn mir einer das so sagte

völlig machtlos

geschalgen, vollkommen usurpiert

[hollow pasture]

sort of a more vague question but does anyone know of free online tests for gauging your language level?

[scenic obsidian]

Hä?

Ich bin gerade beschäftigt; vielleicht später, wenn ich zurück von der Arbeit bin

[astral yoke]

bc of the discussion of the 'es' earlier...

[tawny fractal]

was hä? 😭

[ember marsh]

@indigo bear 🚨

[thin pollen]

idk i think there's a free placement test on goethe's website

[thin pollen]

https://www.goethe.de/en/spr/kur/tsd.html

theres also one on DW

multiple ones actually

https://learngerman.dw.com/en/placement-test/c-36519788

[hollow pasture]

danke schön!

[indigo bear]

faq cefr

[livid steeple]

CEFR levels

If you see something like A1, B2 or C1, these represent the proficiency of a speaker in a language they're not native in, and are called CEFR levels. They are valid for any language, not only German!
Roughly speaking, A levels are beginners and C levels are experts. Remember that CEFR level are self-assessed and indicative!
You can see more specific names and descriptions on the Wikipedia page:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_European_Framework_of_Reference_for_Languages

🗨 How do I know what level I am?
If the table on Wikipedia is too generic for you, you can try using this one here:
https://rm.coe.int/168045bb52
Just check each column one at a time: if you can do all it describes, move to the next column. Your level is the highest where you can do the most things.

Alternatively, you can use this questionnaire to estimate your level more accurately:
https://rm.coe.int/self-assessment-checklists-from-the-swiss-version-of-the-european-lang/1680492f8e

[indigo bear]

What?

[ember marsh]

2 spammer posts above me, someone else got them I guess, sorry

[indigo bear]

Oh okay. Make sure to ping Moderator role for moderation issues.

[indigo bear]

@tawny fractal @sleek pebble @astral yoke Argus already described it earlier, but the idea of "Wenn sich nie jemand um die Umwelt kümmert, wird sie schmutziger und werden viele Tiere ihre Heimat verlieren." is that the verb isn't in the 1st position.

Wenn sich nie jemand um die Umwelt kümmert, wird sie schmutziger. <- Does this sound fine?
Wenn sich nie jemand um die Umwelt kümmert, werden viele Tiere ihre Heimat verlieren. <- And this?

Then the idea is that for the full sentence, it's an elliptical construction:
Wenn sich nie jemand um die Umwelt kümmert, wird sie schmutziger und(, wenn sich nie jemand um die Umwelt kümmert,) werden viele Tiere ihre Heimat verlieren.

Whether this is good style or not, I have no idea. But yes, definitely if "werden viele Tiere ihre Heimat verlieren" stood alone, it wouldn't be correct. And how karta resolves this is by fixing "werden viele Tiere ihre Heimat verlieren" as a standalone phrase. But the question is: can or should a subordinate clause be used elliptically in this way?

[thin pollen]

does während use the dativ?

[indigo bear]

It's a genitive preposition.

There are some circumstances where it's with dative for grammar reasons. And also the usual thing of some people using it with dative colloquially.

[thin pollen]

would it be a bit unnatural to use it in the genitive?

[indigo bear]

No, not at all.

[thin pollen]

alr ty

[tawny fractal]

Im not sure, is there a rule that a subordinate clause can be used like that? the sentence after und is a main clause right ?

shouldnt the verb be in the second position then

[indigo bear]

The sentence before and after und are both main clausee. "wird sie schmutziger" is a main clause.

In the sentence "Wenn sich nie jemand um die Umwelt kümmert, wird sie schmutziger." do you consider "wird" to be in the first position or second position?

[tawny fractal]

I mean here its a Satzgefüge so verb comes right after the comma no?

and then after und its a new main clause

so I'm just wondering if you can just use the sub clause like that and use it for the second main clause as well?

its like sub + main + main

[indigo bear]

Yes, that was my question that I wrote above.

This one:

But the question is: can or should a subordinate clause be used elliptically in this way?

[tawny fractal]

to me it sounds completely wrong like that, but the other two seem to think it's fine so idk ?

Yea, I have no idea, to me it sounds wrong 😅

cause the subjects and verbs arent even the same either

[scenic obsidian]

Genau das ist es; "es sind 12 Grad draußen" -- das "es" hier ist ein "dummy es"; es steht da nur, weil Position 1 ansonsten nicht besetzt wäre. Wenn etwas anderes dann Position 1 einnimmt, kann das "es" weg, genau wie im Satz "Draußen sind 12 Grad"

In Hammer's German Grammar wird darüber gesprochen

[tawny fractal]

I mean in this sentence you dont need it anyway cause you have a subject with viele Tiere

so just put that there instead

[scenic obsidian]

Die Frage ist: wird Position 1 vom Nebensatz besetzt, sodass das "dummy es" an erster Stelle nicht stehen darf?

[tawny fractal]

If the subject was the same in both clauses you can leave out the sie (Umwelt) and wird but when the subjects are different idk if you can just do it like this ?

[scenic obsidian]

im ersten Hauptsatz wird Position 1 eindeutig vom Nebensatz besetzt; beim zweiten weiß ich nicht.

[tawny fractal]

Ja das ist halt die Frage 😆

[scenic obsidian]

Habe ich doch schon vorhin gesagt

[tawny fractal]

vorhin*

Yea, we still didnt find an answer :D I googled but couldnt find anything about that

[scenic obsidian]

Eigentlich gibt's gelegentlich solche Sätze; die nennt man V1-Stellung/Verberststellung

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/V1-Stellung

Aber das trifft hier nicht zu, soweit ich weiß

[tawny fractal]

Guess we'd have to ask some more Germans haha

curious what the consensus would be

[scenic obsidian]

Es gibt wohl irgendwo einen sprachwissenschaftlichen Artikel darüber

Google Scholar könnte da helfen

[tawny fractal]

"Wenn sich nie jemand um die Umwelt kümmert, wird sie schmutziger und werden viele Tiere ihre Heimat verlieren." @plush locust hört sich das für dich richtig an?

[tawny fractal]

wohl sounds awkward to me here

[scenic obsidian]

wahrscheinlich?

[tawny fractal]

no like

can you translate to english

[scenic obsidian]

There's probably a linguistics article about this somewhere

Es darf irgendwo einen sprachwissenschaftlichen Artikel darüber geben.

?

[tawny fractal]

yea then no it doesnt work here, cause what youre saying makes it sound like "apparently theres an article.."

[scenic obsidian]

I thought "wohl" = "wahrscheinlich"?

[tawny fractal]

not always

es wird wohl irgendwo einen sprachwissenschaftlichen Artikel darüber geben would make it sound more like wahrscheinlich

[scenic obsidian]

Es muss also im Futur 1 statt Präsens stehen?

Es wird also wohl im Futur 1 statt Präsens stehen müssen? 😄

[tawny fractal]

Idk but that works xD

[scenic obsidian]

wird...geben = Futur 1, no?

[tawny fractal]

No idea lol

Wohl has a lot of different meanings though, its not just wahrscheinlich

[tawny fractal]

oh and yea, I'd use wahrscheinlich here instead

[plush locust]

...und viele Tiere werden ihre Heimat verlieren. Satzstellung: Verb Position 2.

[scenic obsidian]

Der Nebensatz am Anfang steht also nicht an erster Stelle für den zweiten Hauptsatz?

Wenn wir nichts tun, wird unser Schiff untergehen und werden wir sterben.

Wenn wir nichts tun, wird unser Schiff untergehen und wir werden sterben.

Vielleicht sollten wir Dr. Bopp fragen

[tawny fractal]

Danke 😆

Andersrum hört es sich komplett falsch an 😭

[tawny fractal]

First one def wrong

Like this it's even more apparent

Who is dr. Bopp lol

[scenic obsidian]

Sprachwissenschaftler, der durch eine Webseite Fragen zur Grammatik beantwortet.

https://blog.leo.org/

Ich habe die Frage schon abgesandt; wir kriegen irgendwann eine Antwort.

[tawny fractal]

ohh okay

I still don't understand why it sounds okay for the other two though

[scenic obsidian]

Er hat mir schon mehrere Male Fragen beantwortet, und wenn jemand es wissen sollte, dann eben ein Sprachwissenschaftler 😄

[tawny fractal]

Jap

Mal gucken, wann du eine Antwort bekommst 😆

[scenic obsidian]

Guck mal, wie absurd die deutsche Sprache ist:

https://blog.leo.org/2025/10/16/wird-oder-werden-in-kanada-franzoesisch-und-englisch-gesprochen/

hier ist der Singular üblich, weil in Französisch sprechen und Englisch sprechen das Substantiv eng mit dem Verb verbunden ist:

In Kanada wird Französisch und Englisch gesprochen.

Das Nomen ist so eng mit dem Verb verbunden, dass es nicht mehr als Subjekt verstanden wird, sondern als Teil des Verbes 😵‍💫

[open island]

Are textbooks a primary recommended learning tool or are they more a way to put whats been learned into practice

[indigo bear]

They're suitable for both of those things.

[plush locust]

Nach "und" ist folgt ein neuer Hauptsatz. Ich hätte auch "...und es werden viele Tiere ihre Heimat verlieren" sagen können. Aber das ist weniger schön, weil es eine kürzere Version gibt. Das Füllwort "es" dient hier im Grunde als Platzhalter/Wiederholung für den Nebensatz, aber somit ist das Verb in jedem Fall auf Pos. 2. — denk dran, "und" verbindet zwei gleichartige Satzelemente, in diesem Fall Hauptsätze. Und Hauptsätze brauchen ein(e) Wort(gruppe) vor der Verbposition.

[hollow parcel]

guys if an item's artikel is der or die, can i use er and sie while referring it?

[glacial crag]

they're amazing for getting the grammar down but you shouldn't let them be your primary source for everything. You still need to practice all your other skills separately like reading, listening, speaking and writing

[icy dragon]

Hi guys 🤠

I'm new here ☺️

[glacial crag]

Depends on the type of sentence you'd like to make but yes.
der-er
die-sie
das-es

[hollow parcel]

ok thank u so much

[indigo bear]

True but usually when people refer to a primary source in this context, it's like the source they follow as a guide, for order of topics, etc. Rather than using just using one source only.

[cobalt lance]

Hallo leute, ich habe eine frage.
Hat jemand das buch "Heuber sprachkurs plus" probiert? Ist es gut?

[dull osprey]

Ich habe eine Frage. Gibt es deutsche Wörter, die nur Piraten nutzen? Ich spiele Captain claw and ich möchte dieses Spiel auf deutsch übersetzen und Captain Claw vertonen.

[tawny fractal]

Ja, gibt auf jeden Fall so typische Sprüche und Wörter, die in Geschichten usw nur von Piraten benutzt werden

Ich hab mal bisschen rumgegoogelt

http://www.klabautern.de/2015/02/seemanns-und-piratensprache-ein-maritimes-lexikon/

https://woffelsbacher-piratenpack.jimdoweb.com/piraten-wissen/piratensprache/

https://baumbloghaus.jimdoweb.com/piraten-land/piraten-lexikon/

Das gibt's auch noch, hat auch paar Erklärungen

kA ob das hilft 😆

[edgy needle]

Perle

[wary jungle]

When do you use Schluss instead of fertig?

Also why do you say "das macht nicht" instead of "es macht nicht"?

[dull osprey]

Ohh, Dankeschön. Das hilft mir sehr. Ich habe alle Wörter gefunden und nun kann ich mein Projekt machen.

[glacial crag]

-„Nachdem du isst, wäre es am besten, falls du die Zeit hättest, eine Stunde draußen zu joggen, um gesund zu bleiben.“

-„Nachdem du isst, wäre es am besten, eine Stunde draußen zu joggen, falls du die Zeit hättest, um gesund zu bleiben.“

Are both of these structurally acceptable? Or would it be better to put „eine Stunde draußen zu joggen“ after the second clause?

[dusty salmon]

i think the first one flows better

the second one isn't technically wrong i dont think but the pacing is strange

[glacial crag]

hm, yeah you're right. It does look that way

[dusty salmon]

it's like you establish the running and then go back to clarify (if you have time)

it feels better if u put the wenn du zeit haettest earlier

[glacial crag]

I might not stop doubting my writing even when it's correct till I'm like, c1 level.
thanks for your view cowzrock

[glossy plover]

Hallo zusammen

Was versteht man unter dem Verb "garen" beim Kochen ?

[dusty salmon]

hahaha you got this!
it's tough bc idk if it's necessarily incorrect, it's just like an editing thing
i often will put the time phrases as early as possible bc i'm just never sure where they go

[flint bolt]

shouldnt nachdem here be using?
"Nachdem du gegessen hast,"

[glacial crag]

ah, yeah you're right about this

I probably need to write down a few simple sentences with nachdem since I keep using this conjunction incorrectly

easy to use and I still end up making the same mistake

[thin pollen]

is Wer followed by a singular only ?

[glacial crag]

you can still say something like „Wer seid ihr“ if that's what you're asking

or, wer sind Sie

[thin pollen]

Can I say sth like "Wer haben deine Bücher gekauft?"

[glacial crag]

ooh, that's what you're asking

I'll be honest, I'm not sure ;v

[thin pollen]

alr all g

[glacial crag]

@flint bolt Wir brauchen dich 🥀

[astral yoke]

I wouldn't phrase 'falls Du die Zeit hättest' BUT
falls Du die Zeit hast
How abt that:
Nach dem Essen wäre es am besten, eine Stunde draußen zu joggen, um gesund zu bleiben, falls du die Zeit hast.

[glacial crag]

thank you Bernie

wait how unnatural does hättest sound here?

[astral yoke]

as always: it was my pleasure 🙇‍♂️

[astral yoke]

at least in informal speech there's no need to go to such forms 🤔

[glacial crag]

btw @thin pollen

[glacial crag]

ah, okay that makes sense

[indigo bear]

Wer is 3rd person singular like er/sie/es/man.

[astral yoke]

It sounds smoother like:

[astral yoke]

Wer spielt heute Fußball

IDK but that seems to be the German word order thing 🤷‍♂️

[glacial crag]

Vielleicht wäre es am besten wenn ich mir sein Video bald anschaue xD

Makes sense why cowzrock told me he puts his time expressions at the foremost part of a sentence when possible

[astral yoke]

as a native speaker (and thus not a learner now) I only can say: check it out!

[glacial crag]

okay I'll watch it now and jot down everything important :)

[thin pollen]

alr ty everyone

[flint bolt]

not a native speaker but maybe
Von wem wurden deine Bücher gekauft? / Von wem sind deine Bücher gekauft worden?
or
Wer hat deine Bücher gekauft?

1st is passiv präterium
2nd is passiv perfekt
3rd is how you use "wer" as subjekt

[glacial crag]

you can form the passiv like that? Damn

I just use - Von wem wurden deine Bücher gekauft?

Either I wasn't taught that in the vid I watched or I simply didn't practice this one enough

;-;

[prime stump]

Hi guys

[indigo bear]

Why would you use the Passiv version? To me I would read those as meaning "Who were your books bought from?" Isn't it too ambiguous?

[indigo bear]

wurde = ist worden

Same as how:
war = ist gewesen

Nothing special. Just normal Präteritum vs Perfekt difference.

Although, important note: the past participle is "worden" for Passiv only. For the full verb use of werden (to become) it's geworden.

[frigid tinsel]

Hmmmm. Interesting discussion. As a beginner, my instinct is...

Wer hat dir deine Buch verkauft?

It feels more natural to me, to use verkaufen here instead of kaufen.

[frigid tinsel]

So there's three question words here. wer, wen, wem. If you insist on "kaufen", I think that forces the use of wem...

[flint bolt]

no i agree its ambiguous, i just did it to show in case thats what they wanted to say since they used "haben" which would be reliant on Bücher

[flint bolt]

this would be
who sold your book to you

Wem sind deine Bücher verkauft --> to who are your books sold?
should also technically be possible? i dont know if this is natural at all though

it just depends on what exactly was originally inteded with Wer haben deine Bücher gekauft

i would assume he meant the aktiv Wer hat deine Bücher gekauft
but i threw in passivform on the offchance of wanting to really refer to who your books were bought by

[flint bolt]

and as basementality said its just perfekt passiv

[frigid tinsel]

In English, it is somewhat rude to use "You" as the subject as it may be presumptuous. Use of the passive seems like one way around the problem....

I dunno if that applies to German though.

[scenic obsidian]

verkaufen = sell

"Who sold you your books?"

[scenic obsidian]

"wem" is for dative case

[flint bolt]

i dont think "kaufen" specifically forces dativ

its moreso it tends to be used with it since dativ also just means "to x" in general

isnt" Ich habe dieses Buch noch nicht gekauft" an ok sentence?

[scenic obsidian]

Yeah

The thing that is bought, the books, is in accusative case

You could use dative to indicate the indirect object, the beneficiary of the action.

Ich habe dir dieses Buch gekauft.

I bought the book for you.

[flint bolt]

oh i would like to ask, is this a case where an+A as a substitute for dativ is fine?
Ich habe an dich dieses Buch noch nicht gekauft
doesnt feel like it would but idk

[scenic obsidian]

When do you do that?

[flint bolt]

i know verkaufen does work with an+A

[scenic obsidian]

I swear, I'll never master prepositions

[flint bolt]

Ich verkaufe viele Sachen an alte Frauen
im pretty sure would be right

its just some are evil...

an/auf grrr i hate you

in general i think an is the hardest one for me

recently clocked the use of a sentence structure like
ich bin gerade am tweaken as
im tweaking currently

which is weird and so useful but i assume its sort of an anglicism?

[flint bolt]

so it DOES work for verkaufen...wonder if it does for kaufen

[scenic obsidian]

Man, I had forgotten you could use "an + jdn. verkaufen"

[flint bolt]

i hate that its possible it confuses me

[scenic obsidian]

https://grammis.ids-mannheim.de/verbs/view/400692/1

I don't think so

[still tulip]

yesn't, it's definitely common but not imported from english i.e. it did develop as its own thing

[indigo bear]

No, I don't think that's something that is generally common in English. Perhaps just where you live?

[scenic obsidian]

Weirdly, this doesn't even show dative?

[still tulip]

personally i've never seen "etw. an jmdn. kaufen", i think that generally always uses dative

[flint bolt]

thank god

[indigo bear]

I've never really thought of "you" being presumptuous or felt like I had to use passive to get around it.

[flint bolt]

hm thats interesting..i had to learn it through reading yt comments never through actual studying so i figured it was some new age thing

[flint bolt]

yeah cause i think +dativ is like assumed in this case since you do x to y

[still tulip]

i'd imagine it gets used more recently, and it's certainly still somewhat colloquial

[scenic obsidian]

Oh wait it was just listed further down:

[flint bolt]

gegen??? fml

[flint bolt]

yeah i havent seen it in texts yet just chats

[scenic obsidian]

We can only buy with currency, I think

The means of buying

[flint bolt]

gegen is so weird

feels like it has the most inconsistent meanings

[frigid tinsel]

I'm still reading but I'm not responding because I'm thinking btw.

[indigo bear]

Here it would translate as "against" in English.

To buy sth against sth.

[frigid tinsel]

I definitely had errors in my thought earlier. Let's put it that way lol

[scenic obsidian]

What does that mean?

[flint bolt]

ive never seen that in english so that confuses the hell out of me

[indigo bear]

Hmm, I'm not sure how to specify it exactly. I'll see if I can think of how it would be defined.

"In exchange for"?

Or when something is charged "against" something, like "against your account".

I guess the point is that it specifies the thing (not just currency but other things as well) which the payment is given to or taken from.

[scenic obsidian]

It's crazy to me how I'm reading novels in German but also I still don't fully understand which prepositions to use with which verbs

[indigo bear]

Sure but you also don't know all verbs either. I'd say it's pretty normal.

[scenic obsidian]

Speaking of which

Some of the stuff in this book seems weird

[indigo bear]

I bet there are even preposition-verb combos native speakers don't know.

[scenic obsidian]

Hatte ihm jemand erzählt, daß sich diese gottverdammte Einöde bis ans Ende der Welt erstreckte, er hätte es geglaubt.

Shouldn't that be "hätte ihm jemand erzählt"?

And shouldn't it be "hätte er es geglaubt" rather than "er hätte es geglaubt"?

Sie hatten sich zu sehr auf ihre Unantastbarkeit verlassen und alle Warnungen in den Wind geschlagen, ein Leichtsinn, der einem malabesischen Krämer zu Gesicht gestanden hätte, aber nicht einem Satai.

etwas steht jdm. zu Gesicht = that person could handle it?

Redensarten knows nothing of this

Ah, DWDS has it:

https://www.dwds.de/wb/jmdm.%2C etw. gut zu Gesicht stehen

It is fitting of (somebody)

A recklessness that would've been fitting of a malabesien trader, but not of a Satai (= arena fighter in this fantasy world)

[frigid tinsel]

I'm reading Pokemon despite clearly being below the required level for it. A lot of grammar concepts I'm having to learn and whole bunch of vocab here... but I think some reading above your level is the way you continue to grow.

If you knew everything you were reading, then you've stopped growing and probably need to find harder stuff!

[indigo bear]

Dict.cc has it as well.

[scenic obsidian]

They don't use an adjective/adverb with it in the book, though

[indigo bear]

Yeah, not sure about that.

[indigo bear]

Yes, reading slightly above your level is good to do, but reading at or below your level is also beneficial sometimes. You can't only learn new things. You also have to do revision and reinforce your basic knowledge.

So typically it's recommended to do most stuff slightly above your level (think like: the next step ahead), then a small amount of easy stuff as revision and a small amount of difficult stuff as a challenge.

Something around 80% / 10% / 10% as a very rough guideline.

[frigid tinsel]

I'm playing with Deepl right now because I just realized... I don't know how to say "What is the name of the book you are reading?" in German.

[scenic obsidian]

I meant more that reading novels seems like an advanced thing and knowing prepositions seems a basic thing, and yet I can read novels and still have issues with prepositions.

[indigo bear]

No way. Prepositions are one of the top most advanced things up next to modal particles.

[frigid tinsel]

My attempt was "Was heißt der Roman dass du lesen?" but its completely wrong obviously lol

[indigo bear]

Try first saying "you are reading the book".

[scenic obsidian]

Do you know about relative pronouns and relative clauses?

[frigid tinsel]

I've been forced to know relative pronouns. I know of subordinate clauses?

Is a relative clause similar?

[scenic obsidian]

It's a type of subordinate clause, yes

[indigo bear]

How do you know relative pronouns without relative clauses? Is there another place they're used?

[scenic obsidian]

Idk, are you learning concepts out of order?

https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLKCEuz6wxDQnN7YZv81rWT4r0ufNoY5Sm&si=GtF5U-B7mPi4hNko

[indigo bear]

Very big yes. I've tried to warn them about it a few times.

[frigid tinsel]

Yes. I'm learning by frequency-list, lol. I've come across various relative pronouns so far.

I'm not purposefully jumping around.

It just happens

[indigo bear]

I'd consider it purposeful.

[scenic obsidian]

Working through the grammar topics in the playlists on YourGermanTeacher will save you a lot of googling

"What's this? Oh, a grammar topic I should've covered 😅 "

[frigid tinsel]

As it turns out, if you use the frequency list as a basis for your studying, you come across words like "jener" relatively early.

So yes, I know relative pronouns. But I also know I don't know the grammar concept yet and just keep it on the back of my mind.

[indigo bear]

It's probably worth mentioning, it also really sticks out how much harder you're making it for yourself when you ask a question. All your questions are the "I skipped 30 steps and now I'm confused" type of questions.

[frigid tinsel]

I can't "unlearn" the word jener. I already learned it.

[indigo bear]

Yeah but you can improve your approach to learning once you realise there's an issue.

[scenic obsidian]

Maybe use standard order of grammar topics for learning rather than a word frequency list?

[indigo bear]

It's fine if you don't want to, but I'm just pointing it out as helpful advice.

[frigid tinsel]

I already switched to using a standard class two months ago yo.

I learned Jener like 3 or 4 months ago.

[scenic obsidian]

What level?

[frigid tinsel]

A2

[scenic obsidian]

🤔 relative clauses are A2.1

[indigo bear]

So far it doesn't seem like anything has changed though. I'm just going by what I've seen.

[scenic obsidian]

Have y'all just not gotten to that topic yet? Is it later in the syllabus?

[frigid tinsel]

Lemme read over my book on Relative Clauses.

look, my classes are light in grammar. I know that. I'm buying other books and trying to catch up.

Yall told me to stop studying months ago the way I was studying months ago. I took heed and changed.

Don't presume shit about my studying style when I'm truly trying my best here. But if my course I enter doesn't cover shit, its whatever. I dunno. I'm having to use other grammar sources to figure out what yall are talking about.

You've already made your point clear about the frequency list thing.

[indigo bear]

Sure, you don't have to justify it to anyone. Like I said, it's your choice how you study and I'm just pointing out consequences I've seen from some of those choices, so that you can approach it with self-awareness if you choose to.

[frigid tinsel]

But no. I don't believe my class has covered this. No.

So the only thing I know about "Relative pronouns", is what I looked up in my grammar books with regards to jener.

when it appeared relatively early in the frequency list studies I did when getting started.

So that's where this all came from.

Now if you think this is an A2 concept, I'll spend time to learn it tonight.

[indigo bear]

Oh, jener is a demonstrative pronoun, not relative pronoun. Right?

[indigo bear]

I have relative pronouns on my list as early A2. Like immediately after subordinate clauses.

[frigid tinsel]

and I dont.

bam

[indigo bear]

What do you mean?

[frigid tinsel]

I already told you. I know my course book is light on grammar. Its obviously a weakpoint given the discussions I've had here even after starting the course.

But at least I have other grammar books I've been buying to cover these things when a weakpoint is identified.

[scenic obsidian]

Which book is it?

[indigo bear]

Okay, I was just telling you where on my grammar list this topic is, since I thought that may be useful info for you to compare against.

[frigid tinsel]

some local class in my area

[scenic obsidian]

Is the book specific to your class?

[frigid tinsel]

yeah

[scenic obsidian]

Maybe made by the teacher themselves?

I'm not trying to criticize, I'm just curious

[frigid tinsel]

I think they're trying to attract a more serious Duolingo like audience. Light on grammar, more on interactivity between students.

[scenic obsidian]

Speaking practice is important

[frigid tinsel]

My specific teacher is clearly a subcontractor who doesn't think this is the best style of teaching, lol.

I do think that real life speaking practice makes it worthwhile.

I think my teacher is clearly a more traditional / grammar kind of guy. But he's a subcontractor, so he's not supposed to bring in his material, and is supposed to use the school's material.

So when all of you are like, "check X Y Z" from your book, its literally not fucking there.

Literally not there.

Its all research I'm coming up outside of the class on my own.

[scenic obsidian]

That's unfortunate.

[frigid tinsel]

Now I remember there's exercises we did that do this Relative Clause thing. It feels familiar.

But they don't go over the specific grammar rules about it.

[scenic obsidian]

YourGermanTeacher has playlists that list grammar topics in order, which makes it easier to know which thing to look at next, takes away the guesswork

[indigo bear]

To be fair, I doubt anyone here told you to check your course book for that? When people suggest looking that stuff up, they mean generally, like online or a regular textbook.

[indigo bear]

That's what me and Argus also did and still do, yeah.

We look up whatever source gives the best info for the situation.

[frigid tinsel]

THIS SHIT HERE Is presumptuous as fuck.

Just FYI

[indigo bear]

Okay... Not sure why you're so angry but I'd suggest to take a break from the chat rather than take out your emotions on others.

[proper yoke]

hi sorry ik theres some discussion going on here but i had a question about when to use weder…noch. i know it means neither nor but today during exam review my prof said when using it it wouldnt be separated with a comma but the example she gave use did and she couldnt rlly explain :( just wondering what situations or grammar structure a comma is okay to use with it

[indigo bear]

No need to apologise. Feel free to ask questions even if there's an ongoing discussion.

[indigo bear]

So basically, commas are used when separating clauses, but I think with weder ... noch it's similar to using "und" where you leave the comma out because you don't really need to separate it.

Ich sehe eine Katze und einen Hund.
Ich sehe weder eine Katze noch einen Hund.

Does that help?

[scenic obsidian]

What was the example?

[indigo bear]

Oh sorry, I missed that you have an example that shows an exception.

[scenic obsidian]

weder X noch Y

If the X and the Y, if the objects being used in the phrase, are themselves clauses, that's a situation where there might be a comma involved.

Ich will weder, dass ich Brokkoli essen muss, noch, dass ich meine Hausaufgaben machen muss.

I neither want to have to eat broccoli nor have to do my homework.

[indigo bear]

Ohh nice. I didn't think of this kind of example.

[prime stump]

Hi guys

[scenic obsidian]

Ich will weder Pizza noch Eis essen.

Here, the objects are just nouns, Pizza and Eis

But in the other sentence, the objects were entire clauses, dass clauses, subordinate clauses. There, you needed a comma, not because of "weder noch", but because you have to separate subordinate clauses from other stuff by using commas.

[frigid tinsel]

@scenic obsidian Can I talk to you for a sec? DMs?

[proper yoke]

Seine Arbeit hat ihm weder Spaß gemacht, noch hat er genug Geld verdient, so hat er sich eine neue Stelle gesucht.

[proper yoke]

i think so but wouldnt sowohl…als auch fit better in this type of sentence?

[proper yoke]

does this apply for sowohl…als auch and entweder…oder

[scenic obsidian]

Yeah that's similar to what I was describing, the objects for the phrase aren't simple nouns, they're entire clauses

So the commas aren't because of "wedee noch", but because of them being clauses

[scenic obsidian]

Yes

[proper yoke]

ohhh okayy gotcha

im gonna tell my prof she led me astray tmr ty guys 🫶

[indigo bear]

True although it doesn't have to be nouns. It can also be clauses in the elliptical sense. Like: ich habe weder meine Hausaufgaben gemacht noch mein Zimmer aufgeräumt. And various other things.

[thin pollen]

ehh tbh I feel it's rude sometimes to do that lol with my teacher too

[indigo bear]

But in the given example, there's a whole change of subject and all.

[proper yoke]

i was half joking but shes rlly laid back

[scenic obsidian]

She wasn't wrong, she just couldn't explain why the commas were used there

[thin pollen]

I just go along with my teacher if they get sth wrong

It would be a bit embarrassing for them

[scenic obsidian]

She's right that "weder noch" on its own doesn't require commas

[indigo bear]

These types of niche grammar scenarios can be hard to explain in the moment. Sometimes you have to research it. Even teachers!

[proper yoke]

ohhhh its a rlly small class so we always call her out whenever she makes a mistake and shes okay with it i do get how it can seem rude i wouldnt do it to other profs lowk

[thin pollen]

It's alr all g

[scenic obsidian]

Sounds nerve-wracking for the teacher

[proper yoke]

she wants to be treated as peer rather than prof we literally eat together 😭

mb guys my comment was lowk meant to be silly

[thin pollen]

It's fine I just had to say that cuz I always feel bad for others lol

[graceful whale]

Ich bewerbe mich auf ein Praktikum. Würde man B2 als "fortgeschritten" oder "mittelstufe" beschreiben?

[mortal cliff]

Hallo zusammen, ich möchte selbst B2 lernen, weiß aber nicht, wo ich anfangen soll, Habt ihr einen Tipp für mich?

[astral yoke]

faq beginner

[livid steeple]

How to get started

The simplest way to learn German is to find topics you don’t understand yet and search for explanations of them. This list provides you with a guide for which topics to learn if you are completely new to German. Type the topic into Google (or YouTube) and start learning!

Introduction

1: Alphabet (especially ä, ü, ö and ß)
2: Basic greetings (hello, goodbye, etc.)

Part 1 - Simple Sentence

1: Noun gender & plurals
2: Nominative case (What are cases?)
3: Nominative pronouns (I, you, he, she, etc.)
4: Verbs in present tense
5: Definite/indefinite articles
6: Accusative case (for nouns)
7: Accusative pronouns
8: Word order of simple sentences
9: How to ask questions

See Part 2 on the next page.

Tips

• Always learn the gender of a noun when you learn a new noun
• Learn to use a translation dictionary (e.g. dict.cc, leo.org)
• Use >faq resources to see our list of German learning resources
• For listening and pronunciation practice, try watching movies or videos (incl. YouTube)
• You can listen to pronunciation for words on websites like dict.cc, forvo.com, and others
• Practice writing sentences every day (and asking people to correct them)
• Ask as many questions as possible
• Don’t be scared to make mistakes!!!! If you don’t let yourself make mistakes, you will never be able to learn German

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[mortal cliff]

Wie komme ich zur nächsten Seite?

[astral yoke]

die FAQ noch mal aufrufen, am besten in #botchannel,
und rechtzeitig die Buttons am Ende des Textes bedienen.

[hollow parcel]

guys can i complete a1.1 with nicos weg?

[ivory rain]

question for people who use anki and make their own decks. how do you guys handle words with multiple meanings? do you make multiple cards for the same word or add all meanings to same card?

[indigo bear]

Yes but you might need a few extra resources on top of that.

[indigo bear]

I don't use it but I would make them separate cards unless the meanings are really similar.

[lunar lynx]

all meanings to one entry

[hollow parcel]

what else do u recommend besides youtube lessons?

[indigo bear]

It depends on your preferences. Some things you might need to complement Nicos Weg: extra grammar info (since Nicos Weg only gives basic explanations), someone to ask questions to (you can use this server for that), extra grammar exercises, and some extra reading practice as well.

These are all pretty easy things to find though.

[ivory rain]

i was thinking about doing this because some meanings are relevant to me at my current level or i havent encountered it in that context yet but im not sure

[ivory rain]

does this not get messy? i feel weird when there is a card that has so many different meanings and have to remember 5 at the same time for example

[indigo bear]

Yeah I don't recommend to just copy every definition from the dictionary or anything. Stick to ones that make sense for you right now.

[hollow parcel]

ah okay i also got menschen pdf so i can study from there i guess thank u so much

[lunar lynx]

It does get messy with certain words

[indigo bear]

Check out these too: https://www.nthuleen.com/teach/grammar.html

[hollow parcel]

thanks again i saw this at google docs

[pine garden]

Guys I want to make my B1 prüfung but idk which one is the easiest 🥹🥹 Goethe or Telc

[cursive spire]

Telc seems to be a little bit easier, at least according to this: https://www.spickprofi.de/blogs/blog/telc-vs-goethe

[hollow pasture]

does one use "sehr geehrte damen und herren," in an email like "to whom it may concern," in english? as in, no matter if youre writing to one person/many/no idea, you can still use it

[pine garden]

Thank u so much🤍 I never made a exam at Telc I passed my A2 at Goethe and I really thought it was hard I will try my B1 at Telc

[royal magnet]

Hello everyone I was wondering if anyone could share some tips for improving speaking skills. My study partner and I practice together, but sometimes we’re not sure how to start a conversation or what topics to discuss and also If you have any speaking resources or conversation materials suitable for B1 level, we would really appreciate it if you could share them.

[opal pendant]

I just started learning a few months ago but something that has helped me improve astronomical amounts is listening to music in German, and der Deutschland Volk have incredible music, for example ich bin Soldat, Ami Go Home or Freie Deutsche Jugend.

Also for conversational topics you could try speaking about things you like, for example if you like dogs perhaps "Das ist ein so süßer Hund.".

[oblique snow]

You wouldn't use it with friends (too formal), but it's fine for everything else. Being a bit too formal is much safer than being too informal

[opal pendant]

I have a question, how do you pronounce the "rg" sound? Because it is really hard for me to pronounce words like "Sonnenuntergang" or alike

[oblique snow]

"Un-ter-gang" there is a syllable break there

[opal pendant]

But like, the gutural r combined with the g sound that's new to me, ¿You pronounce them both the r and g?

[oblique snow]

Depends on region/accent. Almost any "r" version (minus American) is fine in German, it doesn't change meaning or makes you harder to understand

[royal magnet]

Yeah but sometimes we didn’t know what to say so I think if I found like written conversations this would help

?

[opal pendant]

Oh, this server has a conversation channel that'd be perfect for that

[plush locust]

It has a concrete intended audience (more than one person) in mind, namely those you are speaking to. It's what you use in a letter you send to an organization and have no idea who the person would be that would be in charge with dealing with what your content is about. (I switched to using "Guten Tag" when communicating in official contexts, though. Which is what most state organs also do nowadays. It evades gendering.)

[mortal cliff]

Hallo zusammen, ich möchte nur fragen, ob es stimmt, dass der Kanal von „Benjamin der Lehrer“ wirklich leicht verständlich ist? Ich habe gerade mit B2 selbt angefangen und habe von meinen Freunden gehört, dass die Videos von Benjamin leicht verständlich sind oder es gibt andere einfacher kanal außerdem Benjamin?

[fickle lotus]

Hi guys i need to learn german cuz im go to germany and someone tech me german so i have german friend so after 2 month im going to germany i need to learn

[junior torrent]

It has written ones ? I mean like file with written conversations to see

[zenith swan]

https://www.patreon.com/LearnGerman/shop/a1-arbeitsbuch-learn-german-original-1959872?source=storefront

Is buying this worth it while im watching the Playlist?

[thin pollen]

Are ppl specific with these 2 words or are they used interchangeably:
Stadtrundgang and Stadtruntfahrt

[plush locust]

I'd be specific. Gehen is walking being the main mode of movement. Rundfahrt is just sitting in a vehicle. Not in the tourism business to absolutely know whether those use these words differently, though.

I'd envision a Rundgang being in an area smaller than an entire city though

[graceful whale]

Ich bewerbe mich auf ein Praktikum. Würde man B2 als "fortgeschritten" oder "mittelstufe" beschreiben?

[wary jungle]

Yo how do you use ins when you already have nach?

Like arent they the same

[latent flax]

Ins is in and das together (would mean into the)
Nach means to (a direction)

So if your going into somewhere or if the place your going has an article, the correct would be ins

And if you talking about cities or countries that don't have an article it would be nach

[latent flax]

Sorry if you can't understand, English is not my first language

[latent flax]

Fortgeschritten ist ab C1 oder C2, wenn ich mir sicher bin

[wary jungle]

Nah man its very clear

I cant make any faults in your explanation

[latent flax]

Thanks

[graceful whale]

Why do you ride on the bus but drive in a car?

Same reason

(there is none, really)

[edgy needle]

wenn ich mich recht erinnere/entsinne*

[latent flax]

Danke

[edgy needle]

wenn ich mir sicher bin ergibt da keinen sinn

[edgy needle]

immer gerne

[frigid tinsel]

Oh boy, prepositions. These were the bane of my existence in A1 level studies. (And still haunt me in A2 studies)...

@wary jungle Have you figured out accusative vs Dativ yet? There is a whole lot of nuance in these words that you'll be revisiting over and over.

Is there context for this ins vs nach question? Where did you get the idea to ask this?

[frigid portal]

guys what's the best tutorial for A1

[frigid tinsel]

For ins vs nach itself, I think @latent flax did a great job answering. I'm just worried about deeper grammatical understanding and "why" you asked this question...

[frigid tinsel]

Nico's Weg is free and good for A1.

[frigid portal]

the short movies? but how will I learn to form sentences watching them

[frigid tinsel]

https://learngerman.dw.com/en/nicos-weg/c-36519789

The exercises associated to the movies.

And the hundreds (over a thousand??) vocab words to memorize.... And grammar tutorials ...

[frigid portal]

https://tenor.com/view/higuruma-hiromi-hiromi-higuruma-jujutsu-kaisen-jjk-gif-3977056725828219167

[obsidian marten]

How can i join to voice chat channel?

[livid steeple]

@obsidian marten, please read the Roles section in #getting-started for info on how to join VC and more.

[latent flax]

About Apps I know there is Anton

You just need to put the app in german to see al the german levels there

[frigid portal]

okayy

I'll give it a try

[opaque igloo]

hey can anyone help me here with german

[vestal thorn]

where can i find a well organized glossary? not random words but at least theyre separated by gender, any idea?

[astral yoke]

wdym? searching for a dictionary???

[indigo bear]

Oh, I answered you already in #general . Please don't ask your question in multiple channels since then people won't know if it was answered or not.

[lapis sedge]

if i wanted to say "the mirror of the cell" would it be correct to say "der Zellenspiegel"?

[amber blaze]

literally its
der Spiegel der Zelle

also what kind of cell

i dont mind the coumpound word and context would clear it up
but it makes me think of like a level of cells (biology) in something, like water level Wasserspiegel

[lapis sedge]

prison clel

cell*

[amber blaze]

zelle is fine for both english meanings of cell

[vital wedge]

What's the word for "Villainess"

I was bored so I wanted to make my online persona name in German

"Die Jade (Villainess)"

Oh wait...How about "Schurkin"? does that fit well

[sleek pebble]

yeah that works

[simple lance]

any anime websites with german dub

[sleek pebble]

can’t advertise illegal services here of course but crunchyroll is an obvious choice

[edgy needle]

Dm

[sleek pebble]

bear in mind though that i’m not entirely sure if dubs on crunchyroll are available in all countries due to licencing, so you might need a vpn with german servers

[ivory rain]

the entire pokemon german dub is on youtube

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z3hMX65Khtg&list=PLRcHmntfmJ8CnSmj4C284-a1euH518aQa (audio track available in german and also subtitle track)

[rich valley]

What's the difference between Wahl and Auswahl?

[lunar lynx]

Wahl can be a synonym of Auswahl in the sense of "a choice"; besides that:
Auswahl means "selection", that is a range of things which you can choose from
Wahl means "election", a political one and "Quality", as in for example "erste Wahl" being "top quality" or "first grade"

[rich valley]

Dankeschön

[ivory rain]

samt and mit are synonyms?

[hard bone]

what's a good resource to start learning German as a complete beginner?
(pls ping in reply so i can immediately see it)

[lunar lynx]

DW Deutsche Welle; Easy German; #resources

[empty vale]

Bei Präpositionen haben alle Lernenden es schwer, weil sie sehr inkonsistent und verwirrend wirken

[wooden hound]

https://fixupx.com/DominikWKH/status/2028886416856342899

Dominik Hermle (@DominikWKH)

To my fellow German speakers: we need a word for agency.

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FixupX · Mar 3, 2026, 5:33 PM

Was würdet ihr sagen wenn ihr „agency“ meinen möchtet?

[stoic pebble]

is it better to learn german as a baby? like instead of the thought process, for example kaffee means coffee in english, would it be better to think different and be like kaffee is kaffee.. instead of associating the words to the english meaning just get used to it being the normal.. ykwim?

[scenic obsidian]

If it's a noun referring to a solid object, maybe. But it's quite hard to learn concepts like, "revenge" without using the English word.

[stoic pebble]

yes youre right, thank you

[fluid quest]

Hello, is there a difference between "Ich trinke eine Kaffee, weil ich müde bin" and "Ich trinke eine Kaffee, denn ich in müde"? Is one of em more natural?

[thin pollen]

both are correct but idk if one is more natural

but it shouldnt be eine Kaffee

[fluid quest]

einen?

cause the coffee is being trinken

[thin pollen]

yeah accusative

but

yeah nvm lol

not sure if one of them is more natural tho

[fluid quest]

np, thansk for akk thing

im getting used to it

[paper moon]

Hallo

[fluid quest]

i've seen a rule of thumb that says, no movement = dative, datives the lazy one

can I count on this?

or there are a lot of exceptions as always

[thin pollen]

thats probably for the 2 way prepositions

Das Buch ist auf dem Tisch
Ich lege das Buch auf den Tisch

[thin pollen]

for these prepositions yes but some prepositions are dativ or accusative only

[fluid quest]

akk = i'll put the book on the table
dat = the book is on the table

correct?

[thin pollen]

yeah

[fluid quest]

hmmm nice

[thin pollen]

Im putting the book on the table tho is more accurate i think

[fluid quest]

okok thanks for the help

[indigo bear]

No, not movement exactly.

It's about a change of location relative to the preposition and its object.

For example, if you say "ich gehe ins Haus". You are walking into the house. You go from outside to inside.

[fluid quest]

it makes sense, thanks🫡

[frigid tinsel]

Close. Akk is motion crossing a zones borders. Dativ is often described as "still" but it's more like "contained inside the zone" (including being still). So "the book is sliding on the table" would be Dativ.

While sliding off the table would be akk

This is a bigger deal for in der Stadt vs in die Stadt.

[indigo bear]

With which preposition?

[frigid tinsel]

Hmm, good question lol. My instinct was auf but that seems wrong.

[indigo bear]

Auf would be for "on". But usually two-way prepositions only cover "to", not "from".

[frigid tinsel]

Auf dem Tisch would be still on the table.

Auf den Tisch feels like placing something onto the Table.

[indigo bear]

Yes.

On the table vs onto the table.

[frigid tinsel]

Maybe aus den Tisch but that's not two way anymore.

[indigo bear]

Aus is dative.

[frigid tinsel]

Really? Huh.

[indigo bear]

And it means more like "out of" so I don't think it makes sense with a table.

[fluid quest]

😨

[indigo bear]

I would say vom Tisch is probably what you would usually use.

Unless there's a scenario I'm not thinking of.

[frigid tinsel]

Prepositons are so hard man lol. Don't worry, all of us Beginners know your pain!

Believe it or not, this concept is (mostly) consistent across the German language. Once you learn it, it applies to verbs and prepositons and all kinds of situations.

You'll get plenty of practice with it as you read, write and listen. You will gain an instinct for it in due time.

[fluid quest]

I'm reading a book called Assimil German with Ease, it is good

[latent flax]

What is it about?

Im reading Tintenherz

[frigid tinsel]

I'm looking for a book, something easier than Pokemon Weiß (my current challenge material)

I'm thinking maybe Das Kleine Prinz

Ideally I'd want it to be German native and not a translation. But my knowledge of German children books is limited....

[echo yarrow]

which level are you rn?

[frigid tinsel]

A2-. I'm not done with A2 but I feel like I've covered the gist of things.

[echo yarrow]

you want to read more books in German?

[frigid tinsel]

I'd like to read A book in German lol. Ideally a shorter simpler one aimed for 2nd grade or so.

[fluid quest]

It teaches german using sentences, increasing the difficulty gradually and introducing new concepts

[fluid quest]

I'm watching spongebob in german😆

[frigid tinsel]

I do have A2 level readers that are appropriate for my level. But I'd like something slightly harder than my level.

[echo yarrow]

do you watch anime?

[frigid tinsel]

Pokemon Weiß ended up very above my level lol.

I do watch anime yes.

[echo yarrow]

when I started to learn German, anime helped me a lot

because the vocab there is not so difficult

they have a lot of useful phrases

fyi

[frigid tinsel]

Which anime have good German dubs?

[echo yarrow]

or also the youtube channel Kurzgesagt

[echo yarrow]

Not sure about the quality. I just watched anything that I could find

[latent flax]

That's really cool

[frigid tinsel]

Fair enough. I do have a Crunchyroll account so I guess I can just explore.

[echo yarrow]

oh, its nice. I watched anime on some pirate websites XD

[echo yarrow]

this channel has 10-15 mins videos with A2-C1 vocabulary. You can make transcripts of these videos and learn the vocab

[frigid tinsel]

My current A2 watching exercise is Kurz und Leicht. Every news comes with a transcript, definitions, and video. https://learngerman.dw.com/de/kurz-und-leicht/s-69137519

[echo yarrow]

oh, i heard about it. do you find it interesting?

[frigid tinsel]

But yes, the more material the better. Je mehrer Videos desto bester (to corrupt my vocab lessons a bit lol)

I'm surprised at how watchable Kurz und Leicht is. It's all using big words as is needed to describe global politics or whatever.

But the writing team makes it possible to learn from it anyway.

Kurz und Leicht is only like 3 minutes at a time though. I want something longer.

[empty fox]

not sure if thsi is the right place to ask this question but im thinking about learning german this year from scratch, i know nothing about german, so i had some questions, as someone whos learning german right now, on a scale of 1-10 how hard would you say it is, ofc it depends person to person but as an average, whats something thats the most difficult for you, and for natives, what is the most difficult topic as natives, not as learning but something you have seen alot of students struggle with

[frigid tinsel]

It's as hard as you want it to be, for me it's very difficult.

I do want to learn within a certain timeframe, mostly because I know I'll get bored if I take too long lol.

[echo yarrow]

you shoud definitely try this channel: https://www.youtube.com/@KurzgesagtDE/videos

[frigid tinsel]

Hmmmm, I did try that 3 months ago now that you mention it.

I was too weak back then. Maybe now I'm ready

[empty fox]

and how do you study german?

are you spending bunch of time studying also? or is it like only couple of hours every week

[echo yarrow]

It took me 6 years to reach C1 in German and I can tell that it can be difficult, especially for some nations

[empty fox]

interesting, learning all by yourself?

[echo yarrow]

It can be sometimes difficult, because it has specific vocab

[fluid quest]

how can I know when I reach A2? I've been learning german for one week now

[echo yarrow]

nah, i learned it for a year and then moved to a german-speaking country

[echo yarrow]

you should be able to construct simple sentences in three tenses, some vocab

[empty fox]

i see, but in that year of learning was it through a institute or?

[echo yarrow]

just some private courses. i learned some grammar and vocab and then passed the A2 Goethe exam

[empty fox]

ah okay

the goethe institute near me teaches you i think till b2 or c1 in about 6-8 months if im not mistaken

around 4 hours of class everyday

[echo yarrow]

wow, intensive

[empty fox]

yea super intensive

[echo yarrow]

i just did the exam there, not the courses

[empty fox]

i learnt spanish till c1, so i was thinking about german now

[empty fox]

how are the exams?

[frigid tinsel]

Anki is my must do every day. Right now I do have a class but it will be over soon. I do a lot of practicals (reading, watching consuming German media).

[echo yarrow]

ooo habla espanol

[empty fox]

does the same happen as in oral exam, reading writing and listening?

[empty fox]

claro que sí

[frigid tinsel]

In my car I'm constantly listening to German music or other media.

[empty fox]

i seee, so youre immersing yourself into the language which is good

[echo yarrow]

like IELTS. reading, listening and writing were okay, speaking a lil bit tough

[empty fox]

ANKI doesnt seem that useful to me imo

[empty fox]

so the basic european language concept

[echo yarrow]

You are on the right track

[empty fox]

thats understandable

[echo yarrow]

i used quizlet

but now, it is not so useful

[empty fox]

regardless i think flashcards are not that helpful coz youre not implementing that vocab into real convos

to some extent its fine, but after some time you have to just talk to people and that way youll be able ot remember alto of vocab regardless

[echo yarrow]

it could be helpful in the beginning, because you can learn the articles (der, die, das), verb forms (tenses) and other stuff

but later it is purely work with texts and reading, reading, reading

and communication

[empty fox]

yeah

watching videos of stuff you like to in your native language but in the targetted language

[echo yarrow]

i remember my first days in Austria, it was painful(

[empty fox]

all that stuff will help more

i can imagine

[echo yarrow]

do you know, when the voice chats will be unlocked?

[empty fox]

you went there when you had a2?

[empty fox]

as in? in this discord server?

[echo yarrow]

yep

[frigid tinsel]

My weakness is output, both writing and speaking.

[echo yarrow]

yeah

[empty fox]

yeah that would be diffcult

[frigid tinsel]

You need a way to study exactly the vocab you come across in the exact media you are watching / reading.

[empty fox]

no idea, but thats kinda stupid to have voice chats locked

[frigid tinsel]

Doesn't matter what you use. I use Anki to make cards. Old school was flashcards.

[echo yarrow]

its okay. we all went through this. in order to speak and write, you need to understand, so just bear with it

[frigid tinsel]

But you need to see new words, then study. Then reread to solidify the words.

[empty fox]

not saying flashcards are bad ofc

everyone has their own way to study

[empty fox]

yeah, thats great

[echo yarrow]

i can tell from my experience, that the third of all words and phrases that i use, i just heard them once in some conversations in real life or podcasts

so to listen and talk to people is crucial. doing it in this server is one option

[empty fox]

i never talked in this server, but vcs shoudlnt be banned, thats what this server is for??

nto banned i mean locked

[echo yarrow]

how long have you been there?

[frigid tinsel]

There should be an option in an FAQ somewhere that lets you into voice chat.

[empty fox]

is that question for me or dragon?

[indigo bear]

You have to read #getting-started to get VC access.

[echo yarrow]

for you

[indigo bear]

@empty fox And please don't recommend AI to people here. It is against the rules.

[empty fox]

alright

💀 thats a interesting rule fair enough, wont do sorry

[empty fox]

i joined this last year i think

[indigo bear]

faq ai

[livid steeple]

**AI-generated text**

This FAQ explains rules and advice for using text AI tools such as ChatGPT.

🔹 **Server rules regarding this topic:**

• Do not answer any questions by using AI-generated text.
• Do not ask for AI-generated text to be corrected.

🔹 **Problems with using AI for answers and corrections**

• No fact-checking: Tools like ChatGPT are very good at writing texts and often provide answers that sound good, but they are not capable of fact-checking their own answers.

• Fake information: It’s very common for these programs to make up fake or incomplete information, which is explained convincingly but is mostly wrong.

• Non-deterministic: The information is also partially randomly generated, meaning that if you ask the same question multiple times, you will usually end up with different answers.

• No language knowledge: It shouldn't be used for grammar or vocabulary questions, as it doesn't understand linguistics, nuance, or how a native speaker might actually use a given word or grammar point.

• Missing context: When correcting texts it needs to understand what the writer was trying to express. As such it may miss mistakes or correct things that don't need to be corrected.

🔹 **Reasons NOT to use generative AI for learning**

• It delays the development of important skills in language learning.
  Relying too much on AI generated texts or solutions may get in the way of learning the necessary skills of language acquisition, such as how to look up words or phrases in a dictionary, using critical thinking, or actually applying learned concepts.

• AI is not designed to guide learners.
  If you ask an AI a question, it will provide you with information, whereas if you ask a human, they will ideally ask you to show your understanding and offer advice on how to find the answer.

• AI output requires scrutiny
  AI output must be verified, but beginners to German or to language learning often lack the knowledge or experience to do so.

🔹 **Good uses of AI-generated text**

• Ask ChatGPT to come up with some story ideas that you can write about.

[indigo bear]

Read this for the reasons.

[empty fox]

but i couldnt start german at that moment

[frigid tinsel]

Basically, AI is good if you already know German lol

But if you are new to German, it's not helpful because hallucinations.

[echo yarrow]

and you still have no access to vc?

[indigo bear]

I wouldn't say good.

[empty fox]

this is the first time talking here

[indigo bear]

@echo yarrow @empty fox Btw this channel is for questions about German so for other conversations it's best to move to #general .

[echo yarrow]

okay, my bad

[lunar lynx]

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Handlungsfähigkeit_(Psychologie)

[lapis grotto]

i read this sentence today
“was ist eigentlich die schönste sprache der Welt?”

can i say “die sprache von der Welt” or is that repetitive? im not even sure if “von” is used correctly here

[thin pollen]

Does there always have to be a difference between verbs and their reflexive forms?
like entscheiden and sich entscheiden or treffen and sich treffen

[indigo bear]

No.

[still tulip]

No
"der" in "der Welt" is already functioning as a possessive, taking the genitive case
"von der Welt" is not really something people say

[sleek pebble]

https://context.reverso.net/übersetzung/deutsch-englisch/das+Einfachste+von+der+Welt

sometimes they do

[dusty wraith]

ich komme aus americano

[vestal lantern]

Does anyone know if all Modelsätze for DSD 1 are equal in difficulty? 1st one felt pretty alright with the Hörverstehen

[tawdry prism]

Is there a single case in which zu doesn't stand between the seperable prefix and the stem

Like can it ever be zu + the verb if the verb has a seperable prefix

[rare hull]

Ich haue die Tür zu?

[kindred forge]

Hallo. Das Ende ist in Sicht und dann taucht wieder was Neues auf. In here was is etwas?

[winter kayak]

not exactly what you're asking for, but the closest I can think of:
if you use zum + Infinitive, it comes before. So it is zum Mitnehmen and not...keine Ahnung 'mitzunehmen' or something like that.

[winter kayak]

yes

[winter kayak]

slamming the door is, most idiomatically, 'zuknallen' or 'zuschlagen'

[kindred forge]

danke!

[rare hull]

But it’s still alright?

[winter kayak]

yes definitely

[vestal lantern]

Does anyone know if all Modelsätze for DSD 1 are equal in difficulty? 1st one felt pretty alright with the Hörverstehen

[wary jungle]

In what context do you use Raum instead of Zimmer?

[barren kettle]

Is this true

[misty yew]

Whats the best way go start learning germna.

German*

[oblique snow]

faq How to get started

[livid steeple]

How to get started

The simplest way to learn German is to find topics you don’t understand yet and search for explanations of them. This list provides you with a guide for which topics to learn if you are completely new to German. Type the topic into Google (or YouTube) and start learning!

Introduction

1: Alphabet (especially ä, ü, ö and ß)
2: Basic greetings (hello, goodbye, etc.)

Part 1 - Simple Sentence

1: Noun gender & plurals
2: Nominative case (What are cases?)
3: Nominative pronouns (I, you, he, she, etc.)
4: Verbs in present tense
5: Definite/indefinite articles
6: Accusative case (for nouns)
7: Accusative pronouns
8: Word order of simple sentences
9: How to ask questions

See Part 2 on the next page.

Tips

• Always learn the gender of a noun when you learn a new noun
• Learn to use a translation dictionary (e.g. dict.cc, leo.org)
• Use >faq resources to see our list of German learning resources
• For listening and pronunciation practice, try watching movies or videos (incl. YouTube)
• You can listen to pronunciation for words on websites like dict.cc, forvo.com, and others
• Practice writing sentences every day (and asking people to correct them)
• Ask as many questions as possible
• Don’t be scared to make mistakes!!!! If you don’t let yourself make mistakes, you will never be able to learn German

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[misty yew]

Does it help im friends with like 7 german people?

[frigid tinsel]

Depends. Are they interested in helping a newbie?

And are they direct enough to correct you?

[misty yew]

They know full english, and aswell that their willing to help.

[frigid tinsel]

If you are an absolute beginner, it will be rough but begin talking ASAP.

Speaking is always the hardest skill to learn, and you only gain talking skills by talking.

Your absolute beginner classes should start with Guten Tag, Wie geht's.... und dir?

Talking helps solidify your listening studies, it ensures you heard words correctly if you can remember then echo back later.

[indigo bear]

I really don't think it's essential to start talking right away. It's fine to get comfortable with writing basic sentences first.

Unless you have a time limit I guess.

The important part for beginners is pronunciation.

[thin pollen]

yes but you wont learn the language only by being friends with them you also need to study but being friends with them helps since you could always ask questions, get your mistakes corrected, work on your speaking skills and so on

[outer stratus]

What is a good website/app equivalent of Merriam-Webster to look for word meanings and example of sentences ?

[swift summit]

Anyone here wanna add me to help me learn German language and phrases so I can speak German with my girl? Thx. Have a good day yall!

[oblique snow]

faq dictionary

[livid steeple]

What does this word mean?

The best way to understand the meaning of a word is to use a dictionary. Monolingual dictionaries such as dwds.de, de.wiktionary.org and duden.de will often provide the most accurate definitions and examples for a word. If you are not yet comfortable with using a monolingual dictionary, bilingual dictionaries are also an option (dict.cc, dict.leo.org, pons.com).

The key here is to empower yourself to find the answer on your own. Using the many examples provided in dictionaries like DWDS, Wiki and Duden can help you confidently understand the word, and how to use it. If you still have trouble; don't worry! You can use #questions, #questions-2 or the #942470380692590632 to ask someone for further clarification.

[tight kiln]

Is there a “correct me” role

[barren kettle]

Yes I agree you should always learn a word with its gender and plural form

Super gemacht!

[dense skiff]

Could I ask somebody for some help with A1 studies.
Currently hit a rut and need some help

[indigo bear]

Sure, can you give some more info about where you're stuck?

[mellow blaze]

luckily for "chatrooms here" talking n writing r almost one n the same

unlike before where the world of writing n speaking were pretty distant

i find it amazing how elementary or little u no once u start to "describe" something so basic

u'll be be missing lots of vocabulary

describing simple yellow pencil in detail isnt as easy as it would seem

[indigo bear]

Correcting is the default.

You're also welcome to put it in your name if you want.

[ivory rain]

Is die Fassade also used figuratively in german like how Facade is in English?

[latent copper]

With strong declinations do you still need to modify the adjective or is that only necessary for weak declinations. I.e. can you use both "der laut Vater" und "der lauter Vater" or is there a correct one

[astral yoke]

correct would be:
der/die/das laute Vater/Mutter/Kind
and
ein lauter Vater
eine laute Mutter
ein lautes Kind hth

[astral yoke]

You can use Fassade like that

[indigo bear]

Check out this overview as a starting point: https://germanforenglishspeakers.com/adjectives/adjective-declensions/

And if you want a guide for memorising the declension, we have one.

faq adjective declension

[livid steeple]

Adjective Declension

A Brief Guide to Memorizing German Noun and Adjective Declension by Basementality
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1jWl5-kkqF3FQLDzrz8XLBJj7hvPFQK7MT5SYEDGK65E/edit

[latent copper]

Thank you

[echo yarrow]

Was ist richtig oder wird häufiger genutzt?

1. Ich habe eine Fackel angezündet.
2. Ich habe eine Fackel entzündet.

[astral yoke]

beide Varianten sind korrekt und werden laut dwds ungefähr gleich häufig verwendet:
https://www.dwds.de/wb/entzünden

[oblique snow]

das zweite geht aber schon sehr in Richtung gehoben/literarisch

[echo yarrow]

Okay, danke. Ich habe auch diese Wörter im Wörterbuch nachgeschlagen, aber beim googeln ist der Ausdruck "die Fackel entzünden" häufiger vorkommt als der andere.

[astral yoke]

naja, auf DWDS habe beide die gleiche Häufigkeit, vielleicht sind es hier wieder regionale Unterschiede die es sich komisch anfühlen lassen. 🤔 🤷‍♂️

[barren kettle]

How

[astral yoke]

What do you want to know?

[barren kettle]

Difference

[astral yoke]

the difference is huge as you can see in the English version 🤷‍♂️

[barren kettle]

So it's correct?

This is from AI

[astral yoke]

I don't see a failure here^^ 🤔

[thin pollen]

Is there anything wrong here?

Why is it not "Ich hab/(e) nur ganz wenige Zeit" or "ganze wenige Zeit"

[astral yoke]

It looks fine 👍
You use ganz wenig (and ganz viel) like that.

[thin pollen]

alr ty

[astral yoke]

I think your confusion could be that Zeit is non countable in that case
an example where it is countable
Es gibt viele Zeiten, zu denen ich arbeite und nur ganz wenige Zeiten, zu denen ich nicht arbeite.

[thin pollen]

Nah I thought it was because wenig would have an e at the end because Zeit is a feminine noun

[thin pollen]

Are non countables treated as singulars with all adjectives?

[astral yoke]

they are
the ones that spring to my mind are
Zeit - time, Geld - money, Geduld - patience

[hollow pasture]

is there a difference between benutzen/nutzen/verwenden?

[undone wedge]

what's the correct word order for this subordinate clause?
Es würde die Gesundheit verbessern, regelmäßig Zeit in der Natur zu verbringen
or ...Zeit in der Natur regelmäßig zu verbringen

[plush locust]

Ich stimme auch für anzünden. Der Grund ist folgender: wenn ich reflexiv werde, dann ist sich entzünden synonym mit Feuer fangen (aus irgendeinem Grund), während sich anzünden ziemlich explizit sich selbst anstecken ist 😄

[astral yoke]

The first one.

[plush locust]

"wenig" is used adverbially, so it won't change according to grammatical gender - would be my gut guess (-> cf. viel)

[astral yoke]

Naja, ohne Reflexivität steht zumindest in einer Bedeutung im DWDS:
Jmd, etw. entzündet etw. -> zum Brennen bringen, anzünden 🤷‍♂️

[plush locust]

Ja, aber vom Sprachgebrauch her würde ich anzünden bevorzugen.

Also, wenn ich eine intentionale Handlung bezeichne.

[astral yoke]

Also vom Sprachgefühl her?

[plush locust]

Ja.

[scenic obsidian]

Kommt ihr aus unterschiedlichen Regionen?

[plush locust]

Was auch mein Gebrauch ist 😛

kA?

Aufgewachsen Rheinhessen. Jetzt NRW.

Hm, wir reden von einer Fackel.

[astral yoke]

Südwesten, aber das ist 'nur' wo ich wohne...

[plush locust]

Ja, doch, hast recht, bei einer Fackel wäre entzünden passend. '_'

Wobei, würdest du eine Kerze auch entzünden oder anzünden?

(Ich eher letzteres)

[scenic obsidian]

Was? Warum?

[plush locust]

Also, eine Kerze entzünden fände ich ziemlich komisch.

[plush locust]

Es ist recht 50/50, wirkt bei einer Fackel beides passend.

[plush locust]

yes. you would not "verwenden" a human being. But you totally would "benutzen" them.

[scenic obsidian]

like "ausnutzen" = exploit, or what does it mean to "benutzen" a person?

[plush locust]

I have used you to achieve a goal.

Das wäre benutzen.

Ich habe dich benutzt, um mich besser zu fühlen.

[scenic obsidian]

in English, that usage of "use" is synonymous with "exploit" 🤔

[plush locust]

Benutzen ist das Wort, dass du für Beziehungsdrama willst 😄

[scenic obsidian]

Could one also use "ausnutzen" there?

[plush locust]

Das hat eine andere Konnotation.

Ich kann dich eigentlich nur ausnutzen, weil du mir von dir aus etwas gibst.

Ich benutze es, dass du das tust. Freunde helfen ja einander. Aber wenn dies nun einseitig wird (=du gibst mir, aber ich helfe dir nicht), dann nutze ich aus, dass du uns als Freunde siehst.

"Neutral" bedeutet ausnutzen etwa, den vollsten Nutzen aus etwas zu ziehen.

Ausnutzen heißt eben meistens, dass ich etwas zu sehr - über ein Maß hinaus - nutze, bis da nichts mehr übrig ist.

and to go back to the original question, "nutzen" is more narrowly "being useful/being used for a purpose", so its not a neutral description of just using something

[scenic obsidian]

Is "benutzen" one-sided?

Because in English, saying, "I used you to achieve a goal" is one-sided

[plush locust]

it at least won't need your volition

yeah

you don't give freely (or at least...unknowingly)

but you will enter a blurry area here

e.g., I become friends with you because you know this person that I want to get into contact with. Hence, a) "Ich habe dich benutzt, um Mr. X kennenzulernen", but that also means b) "Ich habe dich ausgenutzt." (in the latter case I'd actually prefer it as statement of fact; with benutzen, I'd expect a for what purpose explanation, which I don't expect in the ausnutzen case.)

[frigid tinsel]

Is there a good way to learn the emphasis / accents? My teacher was saying that my pronunciation is improving, but that I need to work on rhythm and accents more.

Like I'm looking at der Anrufbeantworter right now, and I'm not sure which syllable to emphasize. I'm guessing ANrufbeANTworter.

But I'm kinda guessing.

[plush locust]

Primary on An. A small secondary on ant, yes.

small

[scenic obsidian]

Listening to a metric fuckton of native Germans speaking helps.

I listened to the first 300 episodes of Easy German Podcast as I was working on listening comprehension, and it also helped my pronunciation, I think

[plush locust]

for short words, its pretty easy (first syllable, always, except for prefixes like be- ver- etc.), the difficulty arises once you go for sentence melody, I think...(German prosody is hard, tbh)

[scenic obsidian]

Also mimicking. Have a recording of a word, listen to it, try to say it yourself, listen again, try to say it again, repeat

[plush locust]

yeah 😄 Immersion and mimesis. No idea what else is a good way to get better.

(also, loan words usually accentuate on the second syllable)

[frigid tinsel]

I'm looking for a good Hörbuch for this....

[plush locust]

What you really want is to get used to stresses within sentences, though...

[frigid tinsel]

Probably gonna be Der kleine Prinz

I figure reading / shadowing a reader will help. Especially a professional voice actor reading a well known book

[plush locust]

Depends. I speak differently when I present something compared to chatting in a pub ^^;

[frigid tinsel]

But yeah, it's hard for me to think of how else to get better aside from lots of listening ...

[scenic obsidian]

If you learn IPA you can literally see exactly how to pronounce every word, but that's a lot of effort and every human is naturally good at mimicking already, so it's not usually necessary to study pronunciation in such depth

[frigid tinsel]

Does IPA include accents ?

[plush locust]

IPA doesn't tell you stresses and melody though.

Over a full sentence.

Esp. when we talk about saying the sentence in a certain mood.

[frigid tinsel]

Yeah that too. My sentence melody / rhythm is apparently crap

[plush locust]

(being annoyed for example)

[frigid tinsel]

But at least I'm pronouncing enough stuff correctly that my teacher is now focusing on melody/rhythm instead of "ö" and "z" lol

[plush locust]

I'm actually not used to "z" being hard for people.

[frigid tinsel]

It's not hard. I just slip into English Z instead of German Z. My instinct is bad.

[plush locust]

Maybe because my students already have the sound in their own tongue xD

[frigid tinsel]

I rarely say the (English) T sound that's part of the German Z.

So I pronounce Zeit closer to Seit.

[plush locust]

I despair over having to explain German "r" and "ch" [x] to people who never used their throat part in speech before sigh

[frigid tinsel]

My teacher never complained about that for some reason.

Maybe I over prepared for that lol.

[plush locust]

probably because you're not Japanese lol

(I teach Japanese people, and these two sounds just are far off from what they already do)

[frigid tinsel]

Oh jeez. Can Japanese students even do v vs f?

We Americans at least have the Scottish accent to learn ch from. But it's not part of our native sounds

[plush locust]

I don't think they are different sounds actually, but Japanese "f" is not German "f" (IPA: [f] vs. [ɸ])

[frigid tinsel]

And I have a fair number of Jewish friends who taught me how to say Hanukkah

[plush locust]

but its at least easily close enough

the clear separation of r/l is a hard one

[frigid tinsel]

The crazy part is that Japanese speakers can do r / l. They just don't have the brainpower to differentiate.

Like it's implicit or something in their language.

[plush locust]

they can do "l" instantly once you just tell them where to move their tongue

[frigid tinsel]

Yeah, the muscle is there, they just aren't used to caring about it.

[plush locust]

but German "r"...yeah.

the other hard one is "w" [v]

[frigid tinsel]

Oh shoot. Lol. I meant f/v vs w.

In German.

[plush locust]

ah ja

[frigid tinsel]

In English it's f vs v.

[plush locust]

so basically IPA [f] [v] ne

[frigid tinsel]

Say f but keep biting your lip.

[plush locust]

yeah, its funny, they can say it once you explain it but cannot hear the difference

[broken pulsar]

Hi, do not get why the bei is separated by a comma. there is no other clause besides this and the main one u_u tried to find something online but failed

...und so bin ich auf der Bergner-Alm auf 1600 m Höhe gelandet, bei Theresia und Peter Begner.

[plush locust]

"und so bin ich bei Theresia und Peter Bergner auf der Bergner-Alm auf 1600 m Höhe gelandet" is regular word order. Here, the "bei..." information is removed from the main sentence and appended after it, hence it is separated. It is basically a "commentary" (an afterthought) to the main sentence.

[broken pulsar]

ahh i see

[plush locust]

"Heute gehe ich auswärts essen, vielleicht beim Italiener." same kind of idea

[broken pulsar]

wouldnt question it in a conversation, but dissecting a text made it really stand out haha. makes sense

[plush locust]

Yeah, in speaking we do this stuff all the time 😄

(in all languages)

[broken pulsar]

is it common in written texts? this is in a textbook in what is supposed to be a blog text

[plush locust]

blog would do this

academic paper would not

this mimics spoken language, though

stylistically, the sentence mimics a real conversation where "ich" tells a story

[broken pulsar]

got it! thank you so much for your help

[frigid tinsel]

I'm also learning so thx for the public discussion lol

[scenic obsidian]

Does this count as Nachfeld, or some Nachnachfeld?

[plush locust]

...systematische Grammatik?! x-X

[scenic obsidian]

?

[plush locust]

The terminology.

[scenic obsidian]

Why is it surprising that I would be using such terminology?

I have learned the language artificially, without having ever actually been to Germany 🙃

It makes sense that mine would be a more systematic approach rather than an intuitive one