questions

[glacial crag]

btw, do you know how to type the german quotation marks without the german keyboard layout?

[sharp shell]

I will try it seems pretty easy

[flint bolt]

im missing capitalised ß but thats not really usedd that often

[flint bolt]

no idea tbh

isnt " " fine anyway?

[glacial crag]

yeah, it's good enough

I just find the german one more "schön"

[flint bolt]

you can prolly expand the AHK script to do the german quotation marks

but i dont care enough to try that

[glacial crag]

fair enough xd

[glacial crag]

wait a minute, do you type words like heißen as heissen?

[flint bolt]

nö

there's a capitalised version of estset

[glacial crag]

oh that's interesting

[flint bolt]

sieht doch mir komisch aus

[glacial crag]

what da

erm

[flint bolt]

aber ein deutscher Freund hat mir gesagt, er müsse noch nicht das tippen, so brauch ich das wahrscheinlich nicht

eh zweiter Satz da ist ein bisschen abgefuckt aber ich bin zu schläfrig mich zu korrigieren

[glacial crag]

Ehrlich gesagt hatte ich keine Ahnung, dass dieser Buchstabe so viele Varianten wie das hat

Ich vermute dass es viel Sinn ergibt. Auch in Englisch sehe ich oft viele unterschiedliche Varianten

[sharp shell]

thank you it works

[hollow pasture]

whats the most common way germans generally handwrite umlauts?

ive seen ō a lot, even ő -looking thing

almost never just two dots though

[pliant cypress]

Overlines (macrons) like you mentioned above are common from what I've seen, as are a sort of squiggle, like in this image, bottom line, 2nd word—and on the last word, you can see something akin to your other example, the ő rather than ö

I think it can just vary in the course of writing, even for one writer. See how many variations of the overdot in a normal letter i are to be seen in that image. Some dots, some squiggles, one even a full overlined ī

[stiff kraken]

was für ne schrift ist das 🥀

sieht so irregulär aus

[vernal estuary]

When I don't have the official symbols „“ I just use two commas for the lower one (like this ,,) and it kinda looks similar

[crimson eagle]

there's this app called microsoft power toys and there's this addon, quick accent
you press "u" and hold the spacebar and a menu pops up, just like on your phone

cool thing, give it a go

[glacial crag]

hm, actually.... that could suffice
,,Heute habe ich den ganzen Tag gearbeitet"
„Heute habe ich den ganzen Tag gearbeitet"

Ein bisschen kleiner aber es kann mir genügen

[gray terrace]

Idk if I can ask it here. But doesn't anyone know any website that have german-books, that ships it for another countries? I'm looking for buying the rest of my mathematic book collection (Which is a german book)

[thin pollen]

How do I save the imagine vorstellen?

[blazing charm]

Hallo leute
Welche Quellen nutzen Sie zum Lesen ?
(B1 , A2+)

[pearl horizon]

Student der Betriebswirtschaftslehre an der XX State University, der KI-Geschäftslösungen erforscht.

das klingt gut für linkedin??

oder ist es seltsam

[frigid tinsel]

One is reflexive, the other isn't.

Ich stelle mir etwas vor. (Reflexive form, means to imagine).

Ich stelle etwas vor (non-reflexive, means to introduce).

Ah crap, Dativ reflexive.

Fixed.

I think we talked about reflexive a while ago. I think vorstellen is a great example of reflexive!

[thin pollen]

I meant like how doo I save them lol

In anki

[frigid tinsel]

If you are asking how to make an Anki card... I would write "sich vorstellen / to imagine ", to differentiate from "vorstellen / to introduce"

[thin pollen]

The other one is just vorstellen (dativ)?

[frigid tinsel]

Oh my....

[pearl horizon]

hallo

[frigid tinsel]

Looking at the dictionary, it looks like vorstellen has
sich dative vorstellen

sich akkusativ vorstellen

And finally vorstellen

So three cases. Gotta love it!!

[kindred flicker]

did I bungle these?

[frigid tinsel]

2b. vierzig, not fierzig

2e. vier

acht in 2d and 4e. Misspelling acht, not ocht.

4h. is another vier

You have too many "und" in all of 4 btw.

The "und" only comes between the one's digit and tens digit.

4j. another "acht" error

5e is wrong

[frigid tinsel]

That's all the mistakes I found.

I don't know fruits / vegitables yet 🙁

So I can't help with #1.

[versed verge]

1g is die Kartoffel. Other than that, it's right.

[kindred flicker]

Thanks, all. I’ll do it againe.

[flint bolt]

dreißig not dreizig

noticed it in 2e

[bright hearth]

what article do i use for something that is genderless because it's not a word in german and/or in quotation marks? for example if I say ,,der/die/das ,,skibidi toilet""

[pure olive]

Die Skibidi Toilette
Toilette existiert im Deutschen

[edgy needle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1470057517349474457/1472578817540227113/salieridark.gif

[pure olive]

Wenn ich etwas nachdenke wird einfach das für genderless Worte benutzt. Aber kommt auf dein Wort an. Es gibt viele eingedeutschte Wörter

[bright hearth]

On another note, what case do I use if I say "mit dem X und/oder dem Y? When does the dative from mit transfer with conjugations?

[pure harbor]

Why is habe used in “ich habe hunger” isn’t habe have

[pure olive]

tbh i dont understand ur question fully

[glacial crag]

yes. Ich habe Hunger > I have hunger

[pure olive]

Thats German. Hunger is a noun. If you want to use "sein" , its ich bin hungrig

German is not the only language with a noun . French J'ai faim

https://www.quora.com/Why-does-one-say-I-am-hungry-in-English-but-I-have-hunger-in-many-other-IE-languages

[thin pollen]

Can I save the imagine one as sich (dativ) vorstellen?

I forgot the format (if I had one) for these verbs

[indigo bear]

Generally you have to ask a native speaker. But if you need to guess and can't ask someone, then most commonly the gender will be the same as a German word with the same meaning.

[indigo bear]

Yes. Because it's an elliptical construction.

Ich fahre mit dem Zug oder dem Bus. = Ich fahre mit dem Zug oder (ich fahre mit) dem Bus.

The repeated part is just not directly spoken.

[bright hearth]

thanks!

[glacial crag]

Can I think of meinetwegen as "because of me / I don't mind"?

Meinetwegen kannst du heute das Auto haben
Mach dir meinetwegen keine Sorgen
Meinetwegen können wir gehen

[pure harbor]

That makes sense

[scenic obsidian]

If the coordinating conjunction means the same thing as repeating the "mit", you have to use dative.

Ich spiele mit dem Hund und der Katze.

= Ich spiele mit dem Hund und (ich spiele mit) der Katze.

[zinc phoenix]

I have a question. Could I skip lots of classes in FH, since I live very far away from my Fh?

[zenith swan]

What anki deck should I use for A1?

[upper sinew]

If I live in Switzerland is it better to get Grammatik aktiv Schweizer Ausgabe or just the normal one

[zenith swan]

And how exactly do I even learn using it?

[frigid tinsel]

So the exact format people recommend around here is based on physical German dictionaries. I'm not very good with all the ins and outs of that format. But you can sorta see it here https://m.dict.cc/deutsch-englisch/vorstellen.html

jdm jdn vorstellen

sich (dat) vorstellen

sich (akk) vorstellen

jdm is short for jemandem, which is always Dativ. Similarly, jdn is short for jemanden which is always accusitiv.

etw is short for etwas

jdm etw vorstellen

[thin pollen]

ty

[pearl horizon]

wie kann man sagen „in addition“ in ein satz?

[glacial crag]

zusätzlich zu = in addition to

Zusätzlich zu den Buchstaben muss man die Zahlen lernen - In addition to the letters, one has to learn the numbers

If you want "additionaly" alone tho, you can leave out the zu
Zusätzlich muss man die Zahlen lernen - Aditionally, one must learn the numbers

[glacial crag]

https://ankiweb.net/shared/info/534924450
do 5-10 cards per day at first, that will be enough for now

[zenith swan]

Okay but how do I use it effectively

Just keep flipping till I remember?

[glacial crag]

Use a notebook to write all new sentences that contain at least one new word or expression

and yeah that's pretty much it. Don't overthink it too much. Just hop on, do your daily cards and you're done

[zenith swan]

With the translation next to it?

[glacial crag]

if the sentence is too hard, that's okay to do. But don't do this for the rest of your learning journey.

For example, let's say that one of your sentences is something like:
Wir haben den Tisch in die Küche geschoben
you can write " We pushed the table in the living room" right below the german sentence. On top of that, you should also note down new words

der Tisch - the table
die Küche - the kitchen
schieben - to push

After some time, you won't need direct sentence translations anymore

and remember, you need to learn grammar on top of the vocab you'll be acquiring from anki decks or any source in general

You'll also learn new words best when you're familiar with the grammar behind the sentences

[zenith swan]

Alright, danke!

[frigid tinsel]

I mean, it's all German right? I would say that you should focus on your weaknesses. But there's so much to learn I can't imagine why anyone would stop any particular sub-category of Germany study.

But what vocabulary are you having trouble with? A lot of vocab problems are really grammar problems. All the conjunctions and prepositions IMO are more grammar study than vocab study.

[hollow parcel]

guys do yall think is it possible to learn german without textbooks/courses or should i get them instead? i dont know where to start actually

[pearl horizon]

youtube ist wirklich hilfreich

[astral yoke]

faq beginner

[livid steeple]

How to get started

The simplest way to learn German is to find topics you don’t understand yet and search for explanations of them. This list provides you with a guide for which topics to learn if you are completely new to German. Type the topic into Google (or YouTube) and start learning!

Introduction

1: Alphabet (especially ä, ü, ö and ß)
2: Basic greetings (hello, goodbye, etc.)

Part 1 - Simple Sentence

1: Noun gender & plurals
2: Nominative case (What are cases?)
3: Nominative pronouns (I, you, he, she, etc.)
4: Verbs in present tense
5: Definite/indefinite articles
6: Accusative case (for nouns)
7: Accusative pronouns
8: Word order of simple sentences
9: How to ask questions

See Part 2 on the next page.

Tips

• Always learn the gender of a noun when you learn a new noun
• Learn to use a translation dictionary (e.g. dict.cc, leo.org)
• Use >faq resources to see our list of German learning resources
• For listening and pronunciation practice, try watching movies or videos (incl. YouTube)
• You can listen to pronunciation for words on websites like dict.cc, forvo.com, and others
• Practice writing sentences every day (and asking people to correct them)
• Ask as many questions as possible
• Don’t be scared to make mistakes!!!! If you don’t let yourself make mistakes, you will never be able to learn German

Page 1/2

[astral yoke]

and there are free resources -> #resources

[hollow parcel]

thank u so much ! i had german classes back in school so i hope to remember basic things i forgot

[astral yoke]

And here in #questions, #questions-2 , you can always ask if sth is unclear.
You could check for Nicos Weg in #resources and continue your learning journey where you feel comfortable. 🤔

[hollow parcel]

thanks again

[unreal acorn]

hey! are there great language learning resources for learning "actual" German? What I mean is I'm not too interested in learning formal/textbook German, but rather colloquial speech (e.g. not too keen on perfecting genitive, konjunktiv 2, proper word order, etc). In other words, I'd like to focus on the things that are important in everyday speech.

[gaunt burrow]

hi everyone wanna if anyone have ever been to the language school Goethe in germany. Idk if the quality is good or not😓and would like to look for some exam oriented exerciseeeeee (currently using textbook aber ich finde es nicht so gut

[wary jungle]

Yo whats the difference between "vermieten" and "mieten"

[glacial crag]

use vermieten when you're renting out an apartment and mieten when you're renting one

[wary jungle]

Thankss

[hollow pasture]

watching films helps ive seen

for colloquial dialogue

havent yet come across any one text or anything but just learning standard german and applying it to colloquial speech helps

[thin pollen]

is zuhören general for listening or is it only used when listening to people?

can it be also used for music or will that be anhören?

[frigid tinsel]

TV Shows. Sitcoms.

Let's plays on YouTube.

[tender stump]

when listening to people / paying close attention

[indigo bear]

Other way around actually, at least for prepositions. Most people think they're grammar topics but they're mostly vocab topics. The grammar part of prepositions is easy but the vocab part is endless learning.

[indigo bear]

I would recommend to start with "textbook" German anyway at least for all the beginner stuff. Because colloquial German has the same foundations either way. And then just stop when you feel you have sufficient grammar to cover the conversations you're having. The more formal grammar tends to come later in B2+ so all the A1-B1 is still applicable to your use case.

You still need "proper word order" and Konjunktiv II for colloquial speech though.

It might be Konjunktiv I that you're thinking of since that one is not used colloquially.

Konj II is very much used colloquially.

[unreal acorn]

let me rephrase my question: if i don't plan to have a career in Germany, but want to speak basic stuff with Germans, should i bother with genitive?

[indigo bear]

Yes. And genitive is easy. It will take you almost no time at all to learn, so there's no reason not to learn it.

[frigid tinsel]

Do you plan on ever saying "because of"? Because wegen (because of) is genetiv only.

There's not a lot of genetiv in German / colloquial German, but it does exist.

Konjunctiv II is used in daily/colloquial settings. Möchten Sie zu essen is Konjunctiv II.

Can't even order from a Restaurant without slipping into Konjunctiv II.

[indigo bear]

Möchten Sie essen?*

[oblique snow]

auf Speisekarte zeigen "Das Schweinefilet bitte"

[kindred flicker]

Does anyone have tips for distinguishing when to use aus/von/bei?

[gentle harbor]

Hi I wanted to know if for telc b2 Problemlösung teil 3 in sprechen , should i refer to my partner as du or Sie , I have given b1 goethe and telc and I used du in both of them and there was no problem but this time I am giving the exam in germany itself so i wanted to be sure of what should i refer to my partner , Thankyou!

[neat sinew]

Hey, can I use nehmen to express taking time? Like for example the english sentence I should take an hour: Ich solle ein Stunde nehmen?

[frigid tinsel]

Maybe. There is an example sentence in Wiktionary....

Du solltest dir etwas Zeit nehmen, um dich zu entspannen.

Dwds.de has many more examples: https://www.dwds.de/wb/nehmen

It will take me a while to read because I'm not entirely proficient yet with German....

Hmmmm. I don't think your example works. It seems like the "Zeit" example is an abstract quantity rather than anything like a Stunde.

See definition 7.... Lots of examples of Freizeit or Zeit nehmen, but none of Stunde nehmen. So that's my guess on this question.

[lapis sedge]

"Die Stadt ist nicht weit von uns entfernt."

Why does it say both weit and entfernt if both mean far?

[frigid tinsel]

It says nicht weit: not far.

[lapis sedge]

yeah but why also the entfernt

if it also means far

[frigid tinsel]

It's clearly in verb form.

Not adjective form.

I'm looking up the definition, but secondary verbs come last in sentences.

Hmmm, maybe not lol.

Definition #2 of entfernt is "away"

So "nicht weit entfernt" means "not far away".

[frigid tinsel]

Hmmm, it's in my grammar books that have all the good examples though lol. Grammatik aktiv for example

I guess that this sort of listing is more vocab, perhaps. But my other grammar book also has a lot of these examples....

[copper bronze]

Nimm dir Zeit is a common expression

[neat sinew]

Is this like "take your time" like when you are doing something stressful?

[copper bronze]

yeah pretty much

more like "take your time" but not necessarily stressful

but could be as well

[neat sinew]

when someone tells me to take my time i always imagine it being a stressful situation

like a teacher telling you that before a test or the like haha

[vernal estuary]

Yes, ,,ist nicht weit entfernt" means not far away. The way I think about ,,entfernt" is actually more akin to the english ,,removed" in the context of distance. For example, in more formal writing you might have ,,The cottage in the woods was far removed from the city". Here, removed means separted from, and this is how I see ,,entfernt" being used. It's the aspect of being far away from something. So in the original example, ,,Die Stadt ist nicht weit von uns entfernt" I would more directly translate as ,,The city is not far removed from us" (also @lapis sedge so they can see this too)

[frigid tinsel]

I definitely feel like the hardest part of vocabulary is realizing that these words often are NOT used like in English.

The example sentences really are the most important part of these dictionaries....

[neat sinew]

Truly. The thing thats been helping me is watching "The Empress" on Netflix in German on my professors reccomendation

its been quite good

[vernal estuary]

100%. I never look at just a word definition or its english translation alone, I look up examples to understand how it's used in a variety of contexts. My Anki flashcards are entirely example-based, not just word-based, for this exact reason.

[indigo bear]

Yeah, when you're a beginner you learn quite simple physical meanings of prepositions. That's only a small fraction though of preposition usage as a whole. You learn them forever. And even the physical meanings are more vocab than grammar. The grammar is mostly in the cases part (aside from when the case depends on the specific phrase, which is a vocab thing).

Like learning that nach is used for going to countries is a vocab thing.

[timid ether]

This is the way 🌈

[hexed forge]

How should I say "I'll take it" in german?

The one where it's a compromise.

[astral yoke]

So, agreeing to a compromise?

[hexed forge]

Like For example, my father is not very expressive, but today he said some words that were kinda comforting. So I thought to myself, I'll take it

So you know when it's not everything you wanted, but still something

I think it's a very abstract meaning so I don't know if it can be literally translated

@astral yoke

[astral yoke]

it can't...

[hexed forge]

Any option? Today I need it to translate a line I wrote "you comforted me in a dream. I'll take it"

[winter stream]

doesnt really correspond to any set phrase or conversational routine 🤷

[astral yoke]

Depends on how you wanted to express that:
tell you expected more but you take what you get
Das war nicht, was ich erwartet habe, trotzdem Danke

[hexed forge]

Ach schade

[winter stream]

☝️
or just danke, or in different moods/situations immerhin etwas, or auch nicht schlecht or some other emotion you specifically want to express

[hexed forge]

Das ist wie eine Erklärung ne, ich freue mich auf etwas literarisches

[hexed forge]

nicht schlecht kinda works I think

[winter stream]

"i'll take it" on a literal level more or less might correspond to something like "sag ich nicht nein zu"

[astral yoke]

Du hast mich in einem Traum getröstet, mehr konnte ich nicht erwarten.
so you maybe did hope for more but you take, what you get!

[hexed forge]

That might be sadder than what I meant

[hexed forge]

This changes it a little but does work I think

Thank you guys 🌸

A bit sad how feelings are so hard to translate

[winter stream]

no problem. one of the more difficult parts of translating between two languages, these sort of conversational bits and pieces that have more or less specific uses or associations

[hexed forge]

In my language there is a conjuctive tense used only for poetry so it can't be translated to germanic languages and I feel really sad I can't make a friend understand it

[hexed forge]

That's true

[astral yoke]

and to get that right you need loads of context...

[hexed forge]

Also true

[valid geode]

what happens to adjectives after numbers

what declension pattern do they have

[astral yoke]

do you have an example maybe?

[valid geode]

umm

Ich hätte gern zwei schwarze(?) Kaffees

[winter stream]

strong endings

after numbers higher than one

[valid geode]

kk thanks

wait

strong endings are the ones you use when there is no article

right

[winter stream]

yes

[valid geode]

👍

[winter stream]

and the number one functions like the indefinite article (-> mixed endings afterwards) because they're the same word :p

[hollow pasture]

how common is it that a [native] german speaks no dialects at all?

even at home etc?

dont mean just regional influence/accent but proficiently speaking in the dialect

[astral yoke]

this really depends on the upbringing of said person, there are some that don't and the region around Hannover is where the 'dialect' is standard German, but there are more ppl that speak in one or more than one dialect...

[warped crest]

Hi guys how you doing

[thin pollen]

thoughts on the audio files?

i cant find the book anywhere so i might just print the pdf

[frigid tinsel]

I mean the whole book is optional lol

It's a good resource if you want, but nothing is particularly necessary to learn German...

The more resources you have, the easier things tend to get though.

[thin pollen]

yeah i wanna work on my grammar a little bit tho

[upper osprey]

does anyone have a list of the grammar concepts needed for A1? my grammar book only has a part 1 and a part 2, I dont think its structured for the CEFR levels tho

[glacial crag]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Kz1Xqx0sFXAWys-Mgfhjc-M8JDCMtoeeGXcg5-orP_A/edit?tab=t.0

https://www.youtube.com/@LearnGermanOriginal she also has structured courses similar to the list above. Fill free to do what suits you best

when you're learning a topic, definitely watch one of their videos explaining it https://www.youtube.com/@yourgermanteacher

[frigid tinsel]

I've been told that A1 is somewhat of a fake level. Not that it's useless as a concept, but there's basically no practical point to it (certifications or whatnot) that people care about. The main point of A1 certificate is seemingly to qualify yourself for A2 classes.

[upper osprey]

yeah I dont care about qualifications, I just want some dopamine boost

[frigid tinsel]

In my experience, even A2 level grammar is quite restrictive and requires me to find A2 level (or below) material to be able to read.

[winter stream]

i mean, for clarity, standard german is not the native speech of hannover. the dialect of that region is very unlike standard german, it's just as good as dead

[frigid tinsel]

I guess passing an A1 practice test is a dopamine boost lol, but a minor one.

[frigid tinsel]

Have you tried to find German media that you enjoy? Stories, Songs, or videos?

I personally find huge amounts of dopamine from understanding German media. Even if it's meant for children.

[winter stream]

i would estimate broadly that in perhaps slightly more than half of germany, distinctly more than half of the locals do not (actively) speak dialect even at home (though they may understand it or use some phrases)

[upper osprey]

meh, not really. I dont particularly listen to music, even tho I play it. the reasons I wanted to learn german are:
-my great-grandfather was from vienna, and my last name is german
-literature
-history

[frigid tinsel]

Hmmm, well we all gotta find our own dopamine to keep going ....

Real German literature is like B2 or C1, very far away for us beginners....

[upper osprey]

yeah ik

for now I'll just keep going with grammar

[frigid tinsel]

Café in Berlin was enjoyable to me at A1-.

[upper osprey]

I havent found anything that makes me want to read / watch it for now

[hollow pasture]

damn thats a lot lower than i expected [able to speak dialects]

[frigid tinsel]

Late A1 but still before I was fully done with A1 level everything.

[hollow pasture]

id say sad but better for me to not sound out of place i guess lol

[upper osprey]

I'm still at the cases so I'm still behind

[astral yoke]

but that's just Vän's estimation; I'd say it's quite a lot more Germans that can and do talk in dialect(s) and some of them even have difficulties to speak standard German

[winter stream]

regionalisms and such are still be common, but my estimate is that actually being able to hold full conversations in dialect (as opposed to regiolect) is i think not something most people in half of germany or more can do

[frigid tinsel]

I gave you the book.
Ich gebe dir das Buch.

ich: Nominative/subject.
dir: Dativ/indirect object.
das Buch: Accusative/direct object.

Now practice this a million times lol with a million different nuances, in all the different orderings and genders and plural vs singular cases.... And you're good!

[winter stream]

i dont believe in people with "difficulties to speak standard german" in germany outside of maybe bavaria if we consider regiolectal speech to be a type of standard german rather than a type of dialect-in-the-basilect-sense

[astral yoke]

Then you haven't seen/heard anything 🤷‍♂️

[winter stream]

what would an example of this be?

[astral yoke]

Schwaben, Bayern, Sachsen die herausragendsten

[winter stream]

swabians, bavarians and saxons are not collectively unable to speak standard german

[hollow pasture]

they choose not to only to me

[astral yoke]

But your claim was the opposite of what you write now! ^^

[winter stream]

having a distinctly localiseable standard german is not the same as having full command of a local variety, this is a crucial distinction

[winter stream]

this could benefit from talking about what you think my claim was so i can clarify, and me clarifying what i think your claim was, though this is tedious

[upper osprey]

I know what the cases are cause I studied latin, so this is really easy for me, I just have to memorize the forms

latin actually has nominative, genitive, dative, accusative, vocative and ablative

[astral yoke]

this one, but let's leave it at that, I traveled the whole country for over 40 years now and had my share of moments 🤷‍♂️

[winter stream]

i do think people easily underestimate how moribund local dialects are in most of germany just because people in the east and south are regionally identifiable when they speak

the average person in niedersachsen and nordrhein-westphalen does not have (fluent/full/reliable) command over a local dialect, i would happily make that statement

even if various people do still have this ability

there's a tremendous loss of linguistic diversity in germany and people are tremendously standard-german-ised in most of it, and it's not getting less

[wary jungle]

Yo whats the difference between Klasse and Unterricht?

[solid badger]

“Die Klasse” can be said as a school class with students and “der Unterricht “ just means a lesson

[glacial crag]

yeah think of Unterricht strictly as "the lesson / the teaching" and Klasse as.. well, simply a class. Like grade 11

[hollow pasture]

well i always have wondered, Unterricht/Vorlesung/Seminar/... the difference between those terms

[copper bronze]

Unterricht is a lesson specifically, Vorlesung is a lecture, and a Seminar means the same as it does in english (more of a conference / discussion)

[magic jolt]

Can Iraqis immigrate to Germany? + How

[glacial crag]

is it acceptable to say both ,,laut lachenden" and ,,lauten lachenden"?

[indigo bear]

#1033125270217048246

[dusty salmon]

I believe lauten in this specific instance would be incorrect because laut is being applied to "lachenden" as an adverb (loudly laughing) instead of to the man--
den lauten, lachenden Mann (the loud, laughing man)
I could be incorrect, this is an interesting example

laut-lachenden

[tawny fractal]

They mean different things like cowz said

laut lachenden Mann = do you know the loudly laughing man?(The man who is laughing loudly)

lauten lachenden Mann = do you know the loud laughing man?

[dusty salmon]

Yeah it kinda depends on how you want to interpret that sentence but the way it's written laut isn't applied to the man, it's an adverb describing his laughter

[tawny fractal]

It's not up to interpretation though

[dusty salmon]

Yeah i meant like you could technically write it both ways but it means different things like you said

[glacial crag]

Thank you guys for the help ❤️ My mind's getting a constant workout with all the grammar I'm learning day by day lmao

but at least this was one of the easier topics to learn recently

unlike a certain topic.... (adjektivdeklination)

[indigo bear]

Did you try the guide for that?

faq adjective declension

[livid steeple]

Adjective Declension

A Brief Guide to Memorizing German Noun and Adjective Declension by Basementality
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1jWl5-kkqF3FQLDzrz8XLBJj7hvPFQK7MT5SYEDGK65E/edit

[indigo bear]

If you use this it will be easy.

[glacial crag]

oh I already have it internalized dw :)

[indigo bear]

Oh okay. Sorry you had to do that without the simple approach then.

[glacial crag]

was just stating that it was nowhere near easy to learn haha, buut, it's logical at least

[glacial crag]

all good

it gets easier when someone learns about the "strong ending, weak ending" system

[indigo bear]

Yes, exactly.

[scenic obsidian]

In other words, if "laut" modifies the noun itself, then it is acting as an adjective, and so you must decline it as an adjective.

But if "laut" is modifying the adjective "lachend" (as it is in your example sentence), then it is not acting as an adjective, but acting as an adverb, and adverbs do not get declined.

A lot of words can be used as either adjectives or adverbs, it just depends on what they are modifying.

in English, adverbs tend to have the -ly ending, which makes it easier to distinguish them

[magic jolt]

I am a school dropout bro

[indigo bear]

This channel #questions is for asking questions about German language, like grammar and vocab. If you want to ask about studying, you need to ask in #1033125270217048246 .

[glacial crag]

oh and i forgot to ask one more thing

[thin pollen]

is there a diff between Der and Die See?

[indigo bear]

Yeah. Der See means lake, and die See means ocean.

You can also say das Meer for ocean.

[thin pollen]

I thought das Meer means sea

does it mean both or is there a diff word

[indigo bear]

I don't know about technical terminology. But in English in non-technical contexts people use ocean and sea interchangeably.

[thin pollen]

its alr

is it the same in german tho

do they also use them interchangeably or are they more specific

[indigo bear]

This is what Wikipedia says: ```Im Niederdeutschen (und ebenso im Niederländischen) sind die Wortbedeutungen von „Meer“ und „See“ gegenüber dem Hochdeutschen vertauscht: Die an Norddeutschland angrenzenden Meere heißen Nordsee und Ostsee (jeweils feminin). Im Landesinneren liegen dagegen z. B. das Steinhuder Meer, das Zwischenahner Meer, das Große Meer und andere.

In den Niederlanden wurde die Zuiderzee nach ihrer Eindeichung in IJsselmeer umbenannt.

Aus dem niederdeutschen Sprachraum gelangten viele Begriffe in den standarddeutschen Wortschatz. So wird ein großer Teil der Wortkombinationen mit Bezug zum Meer mit „See“ gebildet: „auf hoher See“, „in See stechen“, „raue See“, Seebad, Seefahrt, Seehandel, Seehund, Seekrankheit, Seeluft, Seenot, Seeräuber, Seevogel, Tiefsee, Übersee und viele mehr.

Ein kontrastierendes Beispiel von außerhalb des Niederdeutschen ist zum Beispiel die Seerose.```

And this: Per Definition ist das Meer die zusammenhängende Wassermasse der Erde. „Meere“, welche wie das Kaspische Meer und das Tote Meer von Land umschlossen sind, sind nicht als Meere zu definieren. Sie gelten als Binnengewässer, auch wenn erdgeschichtlich eine Verbindung zum Meer bestanden hat. Seen, die über Flüsse mit dem Meer verbunden sind, gehören, wie die Flüsse selbst, auch nicht zum Meer.

It seems the main thing is: das Meer is used for both sea and ocean and it's the most common word to use in everyday language. Die See means sea but it's mostly used in names. Der Ozean is ocean as well.

[thin pollen]

alr ty

[old delta]

So far I've learned basic sentence structure, verb conjugations, and a couple basic things, as well as a small set of common words (and stuff like sein and haben). Are there any specific things I should learn before I just start memorising a bunch of words so I can start forming more sentences?

[indigo bear]

You usually don't learn grammar and vocab separately. You learn them alongside each other. So there's nothing specific you have to learn before learning vocab (except noun gender).

You still have plenty of stuff to learn but you can also start making sentences whenever you want.

faq beginner

[livid steeple]

How to get started

The simplest way to learn German is to find topics you don’t understand yet and search for explanations of them. This list provides you with a guide for which topics to learn if you are completely new to German. Type the topic into Google (or YouTube) and start learning!

Introduction

1: Alphabet (especially ä, ü, ö and ß)
2: Basic greetings (hello, goodbye, etc.)

Part 1 - Simple Sentence

1: Noun gender & plurals
2: Nominative case (What are cases?)
3: Nominative pronouns (I, you, he, she, etc.)
4: Verbs in present tense
5: Definite/indefinite articles
6: Accusative case (for nouns)
7: Accusative pronouns
8: Word order of simple sentences
9: How to ask questions

See Part 2 on the next page.

Tips

• Always learn the gender of a noun when you learn a new noun
• Learn to use a translation dictionary (e.g. dict.cc, leo.org)
• Use >faq resources to see our list of German learning resources
• For listening and pronunciation practice, try watching movies or videos (incl. YouTube)
• You can listen to pronunciation for words on websites like dict.cc, forvo.com, and others
• Practice writing sentences every day (and asking people to correct them)
• Ask as many questions as possible
• Don’t be scared to make mistakes!!!! If you don’t let yourself make mistakes, you will never be able to learn German

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[indigo bear]

This list is good to know at least as a minimum.

[steep pewter]

Hello, I have a question.
When I pronounce words with R, for example “der Bruder”, I have trouble sounding natural. When I read the sentence, I make a big pause involuntarily to prepare myself to pronounce the “Br” correctly.
How can I improve this and avoid that involuntary pause?
I don’t know what to do

[glacial crag]

regarding this

Do all partizip I forms acting as nouns gain an extra n in the akkusativ, dativ and genitiv?

same as plural

[glacial crag]

do not worry about sounding "100%" natural at first. Keep trying your best and it'll get more natural overtime with less pauses :)

that's one of the hardest sounds to master in german as a non native. It will take a lot of time but keep at it

[indigo bear]

For me, listening to a native speaker pronouncing words like this and repeating after them was the best way to improve it.

[glacial crag]

yeah this too

[indigo bear]

If you can get a person to help you directly with this, that's good, but also repeating after a video or recording works too.

Main thing is, make sure you're not overpronouncing it. It should come out naturally. If it seems hard to do, you're probably overdoing it.

[lunar lynx]

they're declined like adjectives so it depends on the case and the declension pattern they're using

[pure olive]

Additionally, we just use die See alot regarding our borders. We have 2 big Seen nortern Germany Nord und Ostsee. But in the end theres no diff between Die See und Meer yea

[lunar lynx]

You can say Sie traf eine andere Reisende (she met another female traveler), it's still akkusativ but no -n at the end there

[glacial crag]

ahh, this was probably mentioned in the video and I still missed this detail somehow. Guess I was too tired to pay full attention
Schönen Dank Fröhlicher!

I should probably slow down as I learn grammar

[earnest prairie]

faq beginner

[livid steeple]

How to get started - Part 2

Please make sure to read Part 1 before starting Part 2!

Part 2 – Beyond a Simple Sentence

1: Conjunctions (coordinating and subordinating)
2: Subordinate clause word order
3: Dative case
4: Dative verbs
5: Verbs with two objects (e.g. geben)
6: Prepositions (accusative, dative, and two-way)
7: Spoken past tense (Perfekt)
8: Written past tense (Präteritum)
9: Genitive case
10: Relative clauses
11: Adjective declension

Tips

• Make sure to practice writing and reading simple texts
• Some of these concepts are confusing to start with, so it’s a good idea to ask for help in #questions when you’re unsure
• You should use a declension chart to help with declension to start with, because you won’t be able to memorize it straight away
• After you feel confident with creating sentences, you can start learning the adjective declension properly by using the command >faq adjective declension and reading the guide provided

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[earnest prairie]

👍

[steep pewter]

Thank you both, I think that's my problem, I'm overpronouncing the sound but still when I try to repeat I make that mistake I try to make a softer sound but it's not good enough doesn't sound like the real pronunciation

[indigo bear]

Keep practicing the softer sound and you will get there.

[steep pewter]

Thanks a lot

[spiral sand]

Hello anyone from Germany?

[hollow pasture]

Spricht man der „h“ im Wort „eher“ aus?

[spiral sand]

Oh okay

[west storm]

Nope 🙂

[spiral sand]

Lets be friends I wanna make German native friends

[hollow pasture]

verstand, danke

[west storm]

verstanden* 😁 bitteschön

[frigid tinsel]

Read out loud more. A lot.

The shadowing suggestion from everyone else help a lot, saying it exactly like a native would helps because you learn the natural shortcuts that natives do.

[frigid tinsel]

Are you sure? What comes out of your mouth sounds completely different than what resonates inside of your jaw and up into the ear canal.

You have to trust your teacher (when shadowing) or record + playback to know if you did anything correctly.

aufs Band sprechen

Aufs? Is this short for "auf das" ??

Definition says to speak on a recording. I can believe that's das Band but just making sure because Band is a der/die/das word lol

[winter stream]

yeah das Band is used for tapes used in recording as well

[hollow pasture]

in a somewhat informal situation like approaching a classmate, who might be slightly older than you, would you use Sie or du?

ive been told that du is generally acceptable but i just use Sie to be safe

[winter stream]

duzing your classmates is just fine and expected

i might be inclined to use Sie in some circumstances in university if you have some people that are like more than 20 years older than you that are also in some course, but even then i'd probably expect to be asked to switch to du after doing that anyway

[hollow pasture]

oh wow even for someone that much older

exactly how formal of a situation is Sie expected in then?

[indigo bear]

Just don't say either until you hear which one they use for you first.

[winter stream]

well a classmate is in the uh. same rung of the social ladder as you in a way

i would address every teacher with Sie even if they aren't older than me

because that's a different social relation, if that makes sense

[hollow pasture]

right ig that makes sense

are there generally situations where its asymmetric which pronoun is used at all?

as in one person uses Sie the other du

[winter stream]

society is also du-ifying rather drastically and im young, so

[winter stream]

yeah teachers :p

teachers duz you and you siez them

typically

like, far and away that's the most usual way for that to go

[hollow pasture]

right i see

[winter stream]

also traditionally the case between children and older people

(strangers i mean)

(not family)

[hollow pasture]

would you du your grandparents

[indigo bear]

Yeah, children are generally only referred to by du in all situations.

[winter stream]

yeah siezing your family members i think has largely fallen out of fashion like a hundred years ago or so

[hollow pasture]

oh i see

[winter stream]

it definitely used to be a thing but i dont know if it's still in living memory except for sporadic cases?

[indigo bear]

Do people use it for example if it's a stranger relationship with their relative? e.g. grandparent they've never met until now.

[hollow pasture]

the relation between changing social relations and choice of pronoun seems very interesting

[indigo bear]

The du/Sie thing is somewhat comparable to using Mr/Mrs or Sir/Ma'am in English. Maybe that helps a bit to understand it.

[hollow pasture]

(coming from a culture where you'd never use an informal pronoun with someone older than you)

[winter stream]

unsure, i could totally see a younger person siezing someone largely unfamiliar in the extended family at first and then being told to stop that precisely because they're family

[hollow pasture]

right i guess its a pretty formal relation

[indigo bear]

Yes, and in this context, formality is respectful and a bit distant.

[hollow pasture]

yeah i think someone once made a face when i continually used Sie after they used du

[winter stream]

this doesnt tell you much but by and large i find myself wanting to siez people more than they want to be siezed

[indigo bear]

Yes, in the wrong context, it could come across like you're distancing yourself from the person.

Or calling them old.

[winter stream]

yeah

[hollow pasture]

i hope my shitty accent makes people realise im not proficient and forgive my mistakes 💀

[indigo bear]

Oh yeah, people will definitely understand that you're a beginner.

[winter stream]

i dont think of it that way, my view is more like 'im not buddies with you, accept that' but lots of people dont think that way (anymore) and instead value the professed cordiality more

[indigo bear]

I don't think that's an aspect you ever have to worry about. By the time you're fluent enough for people not to realise that, you'll be familiar enough with du/Sie to not be bothered by it.

[hollow pasture]

yeah makes sense

i mean the distinction seems fairly simple i guess

[winter stream]

yeah i highly highly doubt people would get upset over someone who learns german getting the du/Sie choice different from their expectation or wish

[indigo bear]

Yes and if it's not an obvious case, you can just ask.

[hollow pasture]

i cant imagine tryign to explain to someone my native language's 3 pronouns and complex social relations 🙏🏾

[winter stream]

i think for approaching strangers you dont share any social setting with, Sie is always good

[hollow pasture]

makes sense

[winter stream]

to that end there may be a tendential difference between 'random person on the street' and 'someone you work or study with that you arent actually acquainted with'

[hollow pasture]

is „kann ich du benutzen mit Ihnen“ not a bit awkward lol

[indigo bear]

You say it like "Können wir uns duzen?" or similar.

Duzen and Siezen are verbs.

[hollow pasture]

i see

[lavish trellis]

What's the difference between am um and im?

[indigo bear]

Am = an dem, im = in dem.

An, in and um are all prepositions.

[winter stream]

um is a preposition and means around
am and im are contractions of the prepositions an 'at' and in 'in' with the definite article dem

[indigo bear]

You can learn about them by looking up the topic of prepositions.

[lavish trellis]

Ty ty

[winter stream]

(the meanings of prepositions are broad and often kinda different from language to language, so dont expect every use of around to match um or every use of um to only match around, etc.)

[lavish trellis]

So basically, like in all languages, it needs context to determine which one to use?

[winter stream]

yeah indeed

[lavish trellis]

I see

[royal saffron]

where do i start if i want to learn german?

[frigid tinsel]

im am um is a great example. The physical meaning are in, on, and around.

But it's im Januar, am Montags, um 17 Uhr.

In January, on Monday, um 17 O'Clock.

In English, we'd say at 17 O Clock in military time, or at 5pm.

You have to just memorize how the Germans use prepositons in abstract cases.

It's not like English has a good "logic" for "at 5pm" vs "on Mondays". Why not "at Monday on 5pm"? Because it sounds wrong and that's about it lol

[winter stream]

(am Montag, without -s, or Montags without a preposition!)

[lavish trellis]

Ty

[bitter cloak]

I’ve been learning German for about a month and a half now, and I’ve started noticing a problem. When I read texts from my notes or course material, I can generally understand what’s being said, and I feel fairly comfortable with the grammar. However, when it comes to speaking, I struggle to express myself without taking multiple pauses
I also tend to forget certain verbs while speaking or reading even which makes it even harder to stay fluent. I’m wondering whether I should revise the verbs from my notes daily to improve retention, or if there’s a more efficient approach I could take.
Additionally, I would really appreciate some advice on how to improve my speaking skills

[frigid tinsel]

I'm still pausing while talking at 5 months in.

Keep trying.

It gets better but slower than you'd expect.

[frigid tinsel]

Shadowing is one of the best things to do by yourself

Find a source, news or song or something. Copy them immediately

Also try record + playback.

And self roleplay.

Play both sides to a discussion by yourself.

[bitter cloak]

oh wow and also I am currently enrolled in a uni near me and learning from their material, but I'd also like to learn from a well-known standard book

can you reccomend one?

[frigid tinsel]

No. Lol. I kinda skipped A1 lol

Nico's Weg is what I used back then.

[bitter cloak]

ive found these "easy german" videos on yt i saw a couple but they use many different verbs that havent been taught to me at the course yet

[bitter cloak]

oh wow

[thin pollen]

Should a beginner who just started learning German also save the perfect and the past for the verbs ?

Would it be better to skip them for now

[feral sail]

If the beginner knows how to use them, then sure

[thin pollen]

someone who's a complete beginner

[thin pollen]

Nah on their day 1

[feral sail]

Then nah

[thin pollen]

Alr

[feral sail]

When you learn how perfect and past tense work, you'll also be able to build these forms of most verbs on your own, so there won't really be a need to learn them separately (except for weak verbs)

[thin pollen]

so they could skip them for now and just edit their cards letter

[feral sail]

I guess? I've never used cards

[frigid tinsel]

A1 beginner? I think it's safe to skip. Just remember that irregular verbs suck and you'll need to drill later.

[thin pollen]

Nah someone who's a total beginner

[frigid tinsel]

Most A1 readers are in present tense.

[thin pollen]

Just getting started

[frigid tinsel]

I'd say study a few so you know the gist.

[thin pollen]

I don't know how to recommend the anki deck format to them whether they should include the perfect and the past or not

[frigid tinsel]

Be sure to drill a LOT in A2 level class to catch up though, it gets harder...

[thin pollen]

Tbh me personally I only used to save the verbs in the present

Idk if that's the right thing to do tho

[frigid tinsel]

It's fine because A1 is hard.

And slow.

[thin pollen]

Yeah

Harder than A2 imo

[frigid tinsel]

Well, A2 the expectation grows lol

But it's fine to be slow in A1 if that makes sense....

[thin pollen]

Like most of the lessons in Nicos weg A2 are just vocab

Unlike A1 it was the other way around

You think Nicos weg is a good start for a complete beginner? Should they get themselves familiar with the basics first ?

Tbh when I first started using Nico I wasn't a complete beginner so

Idk how it would feel like to someone who doesn't know a single word in German

[hollow pasture]

Wie sagt man „im in my early thirties“ auf Deutsch

[thin pollen]

Like ik Nico goes through everything during the very first lessons but idk how it would feel from their perspective

[frigid tinsel]

Nicos Weg starts easy then ramps with a lot of stuff.

But it's still the best course online for free.

[wary jungle]

Yo when do you use Durchsage instead of Aussagen in a convo?

Also the Same question but with ruhig and leise

[frigid tinsel]

Dictionary format btw is:
geben, gibt, gab, hat gegeben

Infinitive, 3rd person present, past, and past participle

But the list of irregulars is shorter than you might expect. It makes some sense to drill the irregular verbs separately, but some people prefer learning the irregulars together. Find something that works for you.....

[glacial crag]

Durchsage = The announcement (like a president informing a whole crowd about something important on a loudspeaker)

Aussage = The statement (Any general opinion or view someone makes, doesn't have to be anyone or anything special)

[thin pollen]

is Durchsage interchangeable with Ansage tho?

[glacial crag]

there's probably a small nuance but that's something I can't explain

you'll have to ask another person about that one

[thin pollen]

alr

[glacial crag]

use ruhig when you're describing how calm something is and leise to describe quietness

bitte sei leise! - please be quiet!
du solltest ruhig bleiben - you should remain calm

you can also describe something like the atmosphere as ruhig, indirectly saying it's quiet

[wary jungle]

Lmao i Just realised i aitocorrected to Aussage instead of Ansage

But its fine

You already cleared it with someone else

[wary jungle]

thankss

[winter stream]

jemand ist Anfang dreißig (correspondingly also Mitte 30 and Ende 30)

[pure olive]

Uuh the difference is the intention of the information 🙂
Durchsage is general information, but Ansage means like for you to stop sth. Or an indirect order as the intention. Like when a teacher or a mom is telling you off to stop sth, thats a Ansage

Durchsage is more like warning / announcing information

"The train is now entering main central station"

[frigid tinsel]

Oh I actually just read a story that helped... leise vs laut. ruhig vs nervös

Sometimes learning more vocab can help lol. laut is loud and the opposite of leise.

[swift patrol]

Eine Frage zum Wort “beziehungsweise”: verwendet man immer die Singularform des Verbs, wenn man zB “Ding A bzw. Ding B ist X” sagt? Oder sollte man manchmal “Ding A bzw. Ding B SIND X” sagen? Mir fallen leider keine guten Beispiele ein…

[thin pollen]

What does wenn mean most of the time? If or when/whenever?

[frigid tinsel]

If/when. It depends on context 😟

[thin pollen]

I sometimes can't figure it out

"wenn du willst"

[frigid tinsel]

I think I misunderstood the bzw question so I'll delete my response and wait for someone more knowledgeable lol

[thin pollen]

Both if you want and when you want are close but I'm getting this feeling that there's still a small difference in their meanings

[frigid tinsel]

When you figure it out, you'll realize it's the same in English!

Lol

[thin pollen]

Tbh I think they're the same

Like I can't think of a difference when I try both sentences

[frigid tinsel]

The real question you should be asking is wenn vs wann

Germans who learn English need to learn if vs when.

We English speakers who learn German need to learn wann vs wenn

[thin pollen]

I had this question before actually but I think wenn is the same when we use when, when we aren't really talking abt a time/date

I hope this makes sense

[frigid tinsel]

Maybe, I'm bad at that one lol

[thin pollen]

"You know how it is when you do that"
"Du weißt wie es ist, wenn du das machst?"
not sure If my sentence has no mistakes tho

no idea what that means but i couldnt think of a more complicated sentence

[indigo bear]

That one's easy. Wann is a question word. Wenn is a conjunction. @thin pollen

[frigid tinsel]

That's a much better of an explanation than what I got from random Redditors and Google.

[simple lance]

which website do u use

[frigid tinsel]

Genau

In the podcasts I listen to... the most natural "yeah..." Words are natürlich and genau. I don't think ja is used as often.

[indigo bear]

Yeah I think people often get too focused on trying to explain the meanings of words and forget that sometimes simply the grammatical purpose is a huge indicator for how/when to use words.

[thin pollen]

whats the diff between halten and anhalten

[indigo bear]

I think that question might have been asked pretty recently. If you search in this channel it might be there?

[thin pollen]

there found it

[flint bolt]

wzh bedeutet flippen? hab nen deutschen Freund gefragt aber er hat auch gesagt, es sei ein Scheißverb keine Ahnung

[vernal estuary]

vielleicht könnte das ein Anglizismus sein? Direkt aus dem englischen „flip“? Ich habe Muttersprachlern begegnet, die das so machen (vor allem die Jugendlichen). Halt eine deutsche Konjugation von einem englischen Wort verwenden. Weißt du, was der Kontext dahinter war?

[latent coyote]

Hey so i have 2 questions. I wanted to call a place to ask if they rent guitars but only for a few weeks. How would you ask that more naturally? (Ich möchte eine Guitarre ausleihen aber nür für eine paar Wochen? -would that be natural) What kind of vocabulary would be useful in this scenario.

[frigid tinsel]

Hier werden eure Pokemon im Nu wieder aufgepäppelt!

Can someone help me understand? I feel like this is "future perfect" (werden + past participle), but its seemingly missing the "haben / sein".

Ex: I'd expect "werden ... aufgepäppelt haben!"

[lunar lynx]

Present tense passive voice

(Vorgangspassiv)

[frigid tinsel]

I swear this game is going to put me into B1 or B2 long before I'm ready....

Yes, my grammar book has passive voice. Thank goodness.

Thanks for the pointer!

[lunar lynx]

play translations aimed at natives get native grammar

[frigid tinsel]

lol

Okay, after skimming the "passive voice" section of my grammar book, I get the sentence now. Thanks very much!

[flint bolt]

das hab ich angenommen...hab einfach an das Wort ohne Kontext gedacht.
hab aber "reingeflippt" in nem Buch gelesen und mein Muttersprachler-Freund musste auch raten, was das eigentlich bedeutet. mega Scheißverb....

[mellow blaze]

food for thought

shoudl i actually try to read through all the def given in the dictionary

or shoudl i just pick the one that is most used

cuz i always thought picking specific definitions would make specific clarifciations

[opal pendant]

Hallo! I was listening to a song in German and noticed that they pronounced the "R" not like the gutural that you would normally use in words like "Freund" or "Begrüßung" but more like the rolled "R" in Spanish, I noticed it in the word "Arbeiter" and went and checked in the Google translator to see if it was just in that word but no, Google pronounces it like the gutural "R", then I went and checked if maybe the guy was from Spain or something but he was from Germany, and so I though of asking gpt about it and it said that it perhaps was because in German spoken more to the south like in Austria the "R" is pronounced like that due to its proximity with Spain, ¿Is it actually true?

[glacial crag]

yes. The rolled r is more common in southern Germany and Austria (not sure if it's a majority in these areas tho). In hochdeutsch, the R you'd want to have is the uvular r (you'll be hearing most german speakers pronouncing it this way, hearing it more in the news etc) but if you really don't want to use it, it's okay to roll it

[opal pendant]

May I ask what Hochdeutsch is please?

[glacial crag]

basically standard german (the german you're learning right now)

[opal pendant]

Oh, thanks a lot mein Freund

[idle sable]

ausflippen - to flip out

[hollow pasture]

Gibt es Unterschied zwischen "Verhältnis" und "Beziehung"?

[tender stump]

yeah use Verhältnis when saying "in relation to" and Beziehung as in "relationship" with sb

[hollow pasture]

Beziehung only for personal relationships between people and not in the abstract sense?

[tender stump]

not only but mostly. "sich auf etw beziehen" is, again, something else

or "beziehungsweise"

but i can't think of anything where "Beziehung", the noun itself, is used outside of personal relationships

[hollow pasture]

klar, verstanden

[astral yoke]

@hollow pasture
But it is: even in simple equations e. g. the factors (a * b) are related to the sum 🤷

[tender stump]

ja hab ich ja gesagt

"sich auf etw beziehen" und "beziehungsweise" sind da anders

[astral yoke]

Die "Beziehung"!! zwischen den Faktoren und der Summe ist offensichtlich!

[astral yoke]

Nicht wirklich! Siehe oben.

[tender stump]

dann ist es doch aber wieder die beziehung zwischen den beiden hä

[astral yoke]

Und wieso ist die Beziehung, die Person A und B haben, NICHT eine Beziehung zwischen den beiden? 🤔

[tender stump]

ist sie doch??

ich glaub du hast nicht verstanden was ich vorhin geschrieben hab

[flint bolt]

das kenne ich schon, wunderbares Wort

[hollow pasture]

i read that the greeting "moin" is only used in north germany but is it nowadays common elsewhere too?

[sturdy nova]

I am from north germany (schleswig-holstein) but now I live close to hannover. It's not that common here, but they still get what I'm saying. I frequently said it in Munich, there I usually got some weird looks when saying it in the evening because for some weird reasons, they think it's a greeting you'd say in the morning only.

[hollow pasture]

lol that was what i thought moin meant the first time i saw it

what are some other casual time of day independent greetings though?

i thought something like "guten tag" would be too formal

and ofc theres "hallo" ig

[sturdy nova]

you can always say Hallo, Hi and Hey.

In Bavaria you can also say servus I guess and I think in Hesse they say Gude? People from those areas correct me if I'm wrong

[winter stream]

i live in central germany and hear both moin and servus from people at almost equal frequency despite neither greeting being 'native' to the area

[sturdy nova]

Habt ihr keine Identität oder wat? 😂 (just joking)

[winter stream]

:p

i mean the real central german universal is 'Tach' id say

[hollow pasture]

as in Tag?

[winter stream]

mhm

[sturdy nova]

But that's common way up to the danish border as well

[winter stream]

thats fair

[winter stream]

Tagchen/Tachchen in the diminutive is also something you get

[sturdy nova]

But it's more of a... well I personally think of middle aged, overweight, not too well educated men when I here "Tach".

[astral yoke]

And in southern Germany especially in Schwaben, but also Bayern you can hear and use "Grüß Gott"

[hollow pasture]

oh thought that was a stereotypically austrian greeting

[sturdy nova]

I think, if you go from hannover towards north, Moin is always a good casual greeting, in the south.. so like bavaria and baden württemberg maybe you can say servus and grüß Gott, when in doubt, you can stick to Hallo or Hi.

[astral yoke]

And the "Grüezi"? in Switzerland is basically the same.

[winter stream]

that is the demographic thats the most robust in terms of having regionalisms 🤷 but Tach is really normal greeting to me

[sturdy nova]

Hmm true ig

[hollow pasture]

good luck to me trying to pronounce this

[sturdy nova]

I'm also not sure about that one. But if you decided to learn german, I guess it's not bc you want to spend a lot of time in switzerland

[astral yoke]

@hollow pasture
I find it easier to pronounce than to write 🤷

[sturdy nova]

It's actually not uncommon to have subtitles on tv if someone speaks swiss german

[hollow pasture]

is it like americans hearing british english

[sturdy nova]

Bottle of water...

[hollow pasture]

is this because of their accent in Hochdeutsch or because the dialect is being used?

[winter stream]

swiss german is significantly harder to understand

second, dialect

dialect is a normal mode of communication in germanophone switzerland

in public and all

[sturdy nova]

Well, swiss german itself is so heavily influenced by it's dialect up to a point it's basically a different language

[winter stream]

normally when people in linguistics say swiss german they mean dialect, swiss standard german being swiss standard german

[hollow pasture]

really? i was under the assumption that in general all the standard varieties used by countries i the germanosphere were basically the same variety with regional differences

[winter stream]

the standards are basically the same

some southerners may sound unusual to people not from there as they may speak slower and have some hypercorrections (unstressed e as an actual front vowel) and such

but this isnt 'canonised'

[hollow pasture]

guessing here but is it the case that in general in swiss german some /r/s are pronounced that wouldnt be otherwise like in erkennen

[winter stream]

indeed that is true

swiss speakers dont vocalise coda r by and large

[hollow pasture]

this is how i find out my anki deck is using swiss pronunciation

[sturdy nova]

oh damn

[hollow pasture]

i noticed the [e] and [r] and was unsure why the pronunciations seemed off

[winter stream]

hah lol

these are not necessarily things people always notice, mind you

especially the front vowel for schwa is a thing most people couldnt specify if paid to, im sure

[hollow pasture]

on one hand yes it would be incredibly funny to have never visited switzerland but have an intense swiss accent

[winter stream]

even if it plays a part in making some southerners sound very southern

[hollow pasture]

yeah but is it one of those things that fall into the category of not consciously noticeable but subconsciously native speakers are able to intuit the accent is 'off' or from elsewhere

i think there are many such things in my accents to work on, another would be the precise value of the vowel in vocalised <ör> or <ür>

[sturdy nova]

It's generally fairly easy to hear where someone is from for germans. I never thought I'd have such a strong northern accent, but people from berlin and munich instantly noticed after a few sentences of me without even using dialect just by pronunciation.

[winter stream]

if you want to get really into the weeds with it, i find the vocalised r is often only [ə]-height after high vowels, and some speakers (like me myself) may lower mid vowels to open mid values [ɛ œ ɔ] before r. but this is just something i know some people do, its not normative

[hollow pasture]

to this end, is there at all a "standard" prescribed accent that people learn that sounds 'neutral'? maybe something that would be used on official TV news broadcasts

[hollow pasture]

yeah no that checks out i think

[winter stream]

the normative standard and the north and center of germany largely have a north-central bias for what sounds "neutral"

[hollow pasture]

what exactly counts as north-central

[winter stream]

many people will not notice a lot of roundings of short i to ü that people in the center and north have, though it is absent for southerners

[sturdy nova]

that's a dangerous question to ask

[winter stream]

uh pff, the Main river is a classic line for where a very broad definition of 'south' ends

but its quite diffuse

id say the area of east and westphalia probably have a very 'unremarkable' regiolect

[hollow pasture]

so a 'colloquial' ""standard"" hochdeutsch accent =/= precisely a formal 'standard hochdeutsch accent'?

[winter stream]

this is where the classic 'hannover speaks hochdeutsch' idea comes from

[sturdy nova]

Since I moved there I can definetely say, that's not true

[winter stream]

theres definitely a range of implicitly accepted 'neutral' things that arent necessarily codified and people from large areas just dont notice, yeah

[hollow pasture]

so youre saying one could speak koinedeutsch

[winter stream]

"standard german" in some ways is an exercise in seeing how long the Duden editors take to accept some north-central/western german feature as "neutral", i find 🫠

[hollow pasture]

thats funny but also maybe useful in developing a more native sounding accent

[winter stream]

i mean there are also marked features in those regions that arent standard of course, but there is a bias in society towards viewing western/north~central standard german as more neutral than standard german as spoken in the south or parts of the east, often despite the first group being more innovative in a few details (somewhat faster speech tempo and concomittant a few types of reductions). theres a few academic papers on this i have lying around; not that these help learning german, that they dont, but they demonstrate such differrences

[hollow pasture]

wouldnt mind reading them if you dont mind sending

[hollow pasture]

i wonder how this came about though, i was under the impression the prestige variety (whence standard Hochdeutsch comes) was based off east central german [some centuries ago]

[winter stream]

yeah it was, it's very uh “funny”. standard german is strongly based on east central german, but modern east central german speech is viewed as socially really salient and marked

i think a lot of this has to do with the west and north giving up local varieties more than the east and south, and thus converging with each other and forming basically a linguistic block of people who speak standard german relatively more similarly

[hollow pasture]

oh thats interesting

[winter stream]

der siebenundzwanzigste zweite/Februar. Februar häufiger als die Zahl des Monats

[hollow pasture]

i wonder if there was any difference in the 20th century in the general consensus or if this predates that

with east/west and everything

[winter stream]

one thing i can tell you off hand is that features influenced by local pronunciation that are now seen as colloquial in the north/center used to be much more common

the german emperor spoke with more 'colloquial' phonetic features than a lot of people nowadays do

[hollow pasture]

does that just correlate with a lot more speakers more strictly educated in the standard variety perhaps

[winter stream]

certainly also does

[forest nebula]

Hello. I have to practice pretäritum and I would like to know if there are any websites I could use.

[hollow pasture]

time to go hear some Kaiser recordings

[winter stream]

https://ersterweltkrieg.bundesarchiv.de/tonaufnahmen.html <- you can do that here

lots of noise on the recording but still

offenkundi[j]e

for offenkundige

[hollow pasture]

woahh danke

[winter stream]

demüt[ç]en

for demütigen

with vowel loss and fricative g

he sounds kinda eastern german, perhaps unsurprisingly

[winter stream]

like that vowel loss there is an eastern dialectal feature for example

[hollow pasture]

am i hearing it wrong or is ü a bit unrounded

[indigo bear]

https://www.nthuleen.com/teach/grammar.html

[winter stream]

yeah it may be

[forest nebula]

Thank you. I got an exam and I need practice.

[hollow pasture]

he seems to also pronounce more syllable final [r]s

Arbeit

[winter stream]

regarding the papers, i dont think i have anything easy to interpret, and i might not even have anything in english, but for a start here's one paper

the conclusion of which is among other things that for example eastern german speakers speaks more consistently the same between the tasks 'speak dialectal' and 'speak standard german'

[hollow pasture]

A2 german practice material 😍

[winter stream]

and southern german speakers have a lot greater dialectal range than many people in the north and west

how this is to be interpreted is that regional forms - no matter how different these are from standard german to begin with - are more robust in eastern and southern germany

whereas in the west and north, even if in the low german areas especially the dialectal form used to be very far away from standard german, regional forms are in much greater 'retreat' from generation to generation

[winter stream]

this i think circumstantially shows this

[winter stream]

i had to read this twice to understand it myself 😩

not an easy paper, but perhaps more because of how technical it is than because of the german, but that wont help you exactly anyway

[hollow pasture]

somehow (maybe just selection bias) ive found technical german sentences to be constructed easier than casual speech

ofc the vocabulary is a separate topic

very cool that research is still done in german though

[winter stream]

im trying to find the website again but the corpus this paper is based on has been uh. whats it. like they have a corpus and then analysed how people from different areas react to different features of spoken german, and how dialectal they think they are

so there are some features that are more salient in general and others that are less, and there are some features that are considered more normal in some regions than in others, right

basically what im saying is that if you looked at this long enough, it contains data on which features are considered neutral and which not

so for example having a backer realisation of a is considered not too marked in the north and the south, but is considered relatively more marked by people from the center

[hollow pasture]

which dialects is that specific feature in

[winter stream]

uh, most actually in some sense lmao

[hoary schooner]

hallo

[winter stream]

the vast majority of german dialects have shifted atleast long a back, to [ɑ] or [ɔ] or whatever.
but i think a critical difference is that in the north and south this is often a synchronic thing, such that there you get /a:/ [ɑ:], whereas in the center (or atleast the west?) you often get new central [ä:]

[hollow pasture]

i see

[indigo bear]

@hollow pasture @winter stream There's a channel #dialects which would be better for this topic.

[winter stream]

so central (western?) speakers don't use their etymological correspondence of a as their standard german realisation

true, apologies

[hollow pasture]

es tut so mir leid

[hollow pasture]

Im Laufe der Zeit
Laufe oder Lauf hier?

[tawdry prism]

Both are allowed Laufe might be kinda more poeticy

Use used to have to put - e in the masculine and neuterdative but that is no long obligatory

[sleek pebble]

not really, i would say im Laufe is WAY more common than im Lauf

this is pretty much a fixed expression

[tawdry prism]

I would assume it is more common

Germans isn't my native language so idk

[sleek pebble]

honestly „im lauf der zeit“ sounds kind of clunky to me

[tawdry prism]

From my understanding it is allowed but some words usually have e at the end

Tho I could be wrong I don't really know

[sleek pebble]

in standard german, you are right

but even there „im laufe der zeit“ is one of those fixed expressions with fossilized dative -e

[tawdry prism]

Yeah I assumed those expressions would feel a bit more poetic cuz the -e is somewhat archaic I didn't realize natives so those as any other expressions

Guess I assumed wrong my bad

[tawdry prism]

Tldr Im Laufe is strongly preferred

[glacial crag]

hallo! Wenn einer über eine hypothetische Situation sprechen möchte, wäre es besser wenn einer sagt:

"Lass uns sagen, dass..."
oder
"Sagen wir, dass"

[vernal estuary]

ah, ok, ich glaube das ist dann halt ein Anglizismus . Aber „reingeflippt“ in einem Buch ist Wahnsinn 😭. Ich habe einen dwds-Eintrag für „flippen“ gefunden, also ist es zumindest bekannt, aber für „reinflippen“ habe ich nichts. Du hast Recht, es ist völlig ein Scheißverb haha https://www.dwds.de/wb/flippen

[flint bolt]

grrr Anglizismen
was wirklich Wahnsinn ist, dass dieses Buch nicht so neu ist. Es wurde in 80er Jahre veröffentlicht...Scheißverb, mann!

[astral yoke]

Wie wäre es mit:
Nehmen wir mal an, ... 🤔

[glacial crag]

vermute dass es auch gut klingt. Stimmen die originellen Konstruktionen auch?

ehrlich gesagt verwende ich "annehmen" selten, da ich das Verb bis jetzt nicht entdeckt habe

[glacial crag]

aber es ist auch gut zu wissen dass es möglich auch mit dieser Konstruktion ist. Danke Bernie!

[astral yoke]

Gerne: eine Annahme (in diesem Sinn) ist etwas, das ich nicht sicher weiß.

[simple lance]

do any of u live in german if so does fights happen often

[astral yoke]

wdym fights?
In a bar or sth? 🤔

[simple lance]

fighting uk

[astral yoke]

?

[simple lance]

punching those stuff

[astral yoke]

so like a "Schlägerei"? maybe bc of Fußball, or bc of excess alcohol consumption in a bar and a disagreement?
I really don't get what kind of fights over what you are asking abt.
@simple lance
Or more like some boxing or wrestling?

[kindred flicker]

do I got the right idea w these?

I think e - Morgen kommt Claudias Freundin

[warm mountain]

Hi I'm going to Berlin next week what are some things to do there?

[radiant relic]

was ist das buch name?

[pastel merlin]

If it shows intransitive then it means that it always uses sein in the perfekt? Like for example (for this word there is no mention on wicktionary or dwds)

[ocean river]

"Hilfsverb" is what you are looking for

[fresh spruce]

Wie kann man Englisch wort "if" auf Deutsch zu sagen?

Zum beispiel, bisschen kontext: "If you want something to do, then do this", oder "Do it, if you want to do this, of course"

[sleek pebble]

wenn

(falls)

don’t confuse it with ob though

[stiff kraken]

d - woher

[indigo bear]

Transitive -> always haben.
Intransitive -> can be haben or sein depending on the meaning of the verb. This is where the rule is used about "movement or change of state".

[wary jolt]

Hat jemand empfehlungen für deutsche fernsehsendungen? mein deutsch ist ich denke B niveau

[scenic obsidian]

Wofür interessierst du dich überhaupt?

[wary jolt]

irgentwas aber veileicht komödie

veilleicht*

es macht mir nichts aus

[scenic obsidian]

vielleicht?

[scenic obsidian]

Nur Sendungen, die ursprünglich auf Deutsch gedreht wurden, oder sind auch synchronisierte Sendungen akzeptabel?

[wary jolt]

entschuldigung falls ich fehler mache mein deutsch ist ziemlich schlecht

[wary jolt]

ich hätte gerne ein original aus deutscher produktion if das ist ok

[scenic obsidian]

Da kenne ich mich leider nicht aus.

[wary jolt]

Ich schaue zu jetzt Extra auf Deutsch auf youtube

[wary jolt]

alles gut! trotzdem dankeschön

[astral yoke]

Komödie könnte schwierig sein, weil da oft mit Wortwitz gearbeitet wird und Vieldeutigkeit.
Du kannst bei den öffentlich-rechtlichen Rundfunkanstalten anfangen zu suchen:
ARD, ZDF, arte und dort in den Mediatheken, da gibt's viele 'Konserven', d.h. du kannst schauen, wann du möchtest

[wary jolt]

Dankeschön! das ist sehr hilfreich! Einen schönen Tag noch!!!

[astral yoke]

Bitteschön! Und viel Spaß beim Stöbern und Lernen. 🙇‍♂️

[thin pollen]

#1033125270217048246

when do I use Arbeitszeit and when Arbeitszeiten?

[astral yoke]

at a first thought I'd say how you do it in English 🤔 🤷‍♂️

[thin pollen]

so its just arbeitszeit?

[astral yoke]

No, bc you also use times (plural) in English, I guess; let me make an example
Meine Arbeitszeit ist 8 Uhr bis 16 Uhr.
Ich arbeite zu flexiblen Arbeitszeiten: einmal morgens von 6 bis 14 Uhr dann von 14 bis 22 Uhr...

[thin pollen]

oh mb i transated it as working hours

idk tbh

[astral yoke]

does that help a bit?

[thin pollen]

i think we would use the plural form since the 2nd one is considered as multiple working times?

[astral yoke]

there you go -> even times in English 😉
so you can ask:
Wie sind deine Arbeitszeiten (how are your working times)
BUT as well
Wie ist deine Arbeitszeit (how is your working time)

[thin pollen]

alr i do get it now ty

[stuck glen]

why is it not " mitgebracht " ? why/how is it mit nach Hause

[indigo bear]

This is mit as an adverb.

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/mit#Adverb

[stuck glen]

thanks

[open island]

Any particularly recommended Anki decks? A1-2

[frigid tinsel]

Make your own.

I think the 4000-frequency words is fine, but you'll have trouble at A1. Maybe A2 can start working on frequency list.

The A1 deck I found had a fair number of mistakes.

But making your own is really the best part of Anki. You should be studying / reviewing your German lessons with Anki. Specifically tailored to your own study habits, current books you're reading, songs you're listening to or whatever.

[glacial crag]

https://ankiweb.net/shared/info/534924450 A1
https://ankiweb.net/shared/info/1386119660 A2
https://ankiweb.net/shared/info/1586166030 B1

[proper bough]

What is the usual way someone asks how someone is doing in german? like "how are you"? or like " how is it going"?

I see a lot of "wie geht's "

is there an other way to ask?

[stiff kraken]

was geht ab
wie läuft's

for example

[lunar lynx]

the complete guide: #general message

[proper bough]

thank you

[proper bough]

ho and thank you!!

sorry for the dumb question lol

[lunar lynx]

thats what the channels for

[stiff kraken]

how did you even find a message from a year ago within like 5 seconds

[lunar lynx]

it gets linked every time someone writes ich bin gut

[stiff kraken]

ich bin gut

doesn't work

[lunar lynx]

as in felix links it and hes constantly in #general so

[glacial crag]

the troubles of an english speaker learning Deutsch

eh, well this goes for anyone learning any language tbh

[stiff kraken]

aha ok ich check jz

[glacial crag]

also this could be a silly question but how often is the konjunktiv II form of verbs outside of sein, haben, werden and the modal verbs used?

I assume that people just use würden + infinitiv when the präteritum and konjunktiv II look similar and vice versa?

not sure if it's preferred to say something like "brächte" or "käme" instead of using würden

[stiff kraken]

99% of konjunktiv II forms are dead in speech

generally only modal and auxiliary verbs use their own forms instead of the construction würde + infinitiv

but there are several verbs outside of this list that also tend to use their konj-II forms like brauchen

ich bräuchte

but that's rather an exception

[lunar lynx]

I''ve seen gäbe, stünde and käme used. But you can just stick with würden and everything's going to work just fine

[stiff kraken]

i honestly haven't even seen them in books

that aren't like 100 years old

[flint bolt]

i definitely have seen es gäbe

other ones though..yeah

[lunar lynx]

I've seen em used in books that weren't 100 years old + I remember seeing gäbe in a contemporary documentary from DW

[stiff kraken]

well maybe i didn't pay enough attention then

still saying ich gäbe in normal conversation would be found rather weird i assume

[flint bolt]

hmm

[stiff kraken]

and could be misunderstood as well

gäbe sounds the same as gebe

[flint bolt]

ill ask a german friend of mine bout "gäbe" but i feel like it wouldnt be that weird

[lunar lynx]

Keep it in your passive vocab and use würden + infinitiv instead

[glacial crag]

that's quite interesting. I'll try pay attention to spotting some of these later. Also, can i form any konjunktiv II by taking the präteritum form and adding an umlaut when possible? (and the additional endings like -e, -est and so on)

Lets also exclude sollen + wollen

[flint bolt]

i mean

ließe is pretty terrible

people dont use that one anymore for a reason

ok got an answer back from my friend

[glacial crag]

crap nvm, I just watched a part in a video that says this won't work for weak verbs lmao

[flint bolt]

seems like gäbe isnt that weird

has heard it irl

so add that to the list

[edgy needle]

I think it looks and sounds cool

[flint bolt]

as konjunktiv II i hate it grr
much prefer würden lassen

[glacial crag]

I'll keep that in mind together with what Fröhlich and waffle said, thank you guys again

Tho I'll say, it's somewhat relieving that I'll only need würden + infinitive for basically everything 😭

[flint bolt]

yeah for sure
the ones i think you only need to know are like personally
hätte
wäre
würde
sollte
wollte
the rest is like whatever man

i like gäbe but thats basically the only one i use outside of those 5

thank you german for sparing me from more exceptions...

[pastel merlin]

Can u link me to that rule please?

[glass void]

— Welcher dialekt ist das denn?
— Keiner
Can I safely say that whenever we use "welcher", I can use "keiner"? And same for "welche" -> "keine", etc?

(I'm a big newbie in German grammar)

[indigo bear]

faq past tense

[livid steeple]

Perfekt

How to form the Perfekt tense

The Perfekt tense is formed by combining an auxiliary verb (haben or sein) with the past participle form of the main verb.

For example, if I want to write the past tense of “essen”/“to eat”, such as in the English sentence “I ate”, I first need to know the auxiliary verb that goes with essen (which happens to be haben), and the past participle form of essen (which is gegessen).

I can then combine them with the usual verb conjugation and word order rules, as such:
Ich habe gegessen. -> I ate. / I have eaten.
Ich habe das Brot gegessen. -> I ate the bread. / I have eaten the bread.

How to determine the past participle?

Just look it up in the dictionary! There are a few general patterns you can also learn about, but a dictionary will pretty much always list the past participle somewhere near the verb itself.

When to use haben and when to use sein as the auxiliary verb?

The basic rules are:
• Transitive verbs (verbs which take an accusative object) use haben
• Intransitive verbs which describe a change of location or change of state use sein
• Other intransitive verbs use haben

This may not be a 100% reliable set of rules, so if in doubt, you can always use a dictionary to verify the correct auxiliary. Also note that there are a few regional variations.

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[indigo bear]

Last part.

[glass void]

Or what should I google to learn more about it?

[scenic obsidian]

"gäbe" isn't weird

There is a set of verbs for which the old-fashioned form of Konjunktiv 2 (gäbe) is still the most common way to do it, rather than the newer way of (würde + Infinitive)

These tend to be the same verbs that in speech you do Präteritum for rather than Perfekt:

https://mein-deutschbuch.de/konjunktiv-2.html#bildungverb

https://www.reddit.com/r/German/comments/1740a0g/comment/k468yfl/

@lunar lynx @stiff kraken

[lunar lynx]

aint nobody using schliefen

stick with würden schlafen

[scenic obsidian]

I've seen it

[lunar lynx]

I haven't. Probably niche enough to just keep it in passive vocab then

[upper osprey]

my textbook says that there are 8 ways in which singular nouns become plural, but it only gives rules for the ones ending in er and loan words

does anybody have a guide?

[glacial crag]

Wäre sie nicht müde gewesen
Wäre sie doch nicht müde gewesen

Does the first sentence need additional information (a hauptsatz) and is the second sentence fine the way it is because of the modal particle?

[upper osprey]

also, do you know of a website to practice grammar in?

[glacial crag]

well, it's best to learn a noun together with its plural form if it won't be too troubling. You'll start noticing certain plural patterns overtime.

I guess you could have a look at this video if you want some shortcuts https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Aqc5WDKO9A&t=24s

[upper osprey]

okk

[scenic obsidian]

Did you try googling, "german plural rules"?

https://germanwithlaura.com/plurals/

[upper osprey]

?

[stiff kraken]

yeah i can't think of a scenario where it wouldn't work actually

@glass void https://deutsch.lingolia.com/en/grammar/pronouns/possessive-pronouns

[hollow pasture]

is there/what is the difference between erleben and erfahren

[compact forge]

Hi. WHat does "Hast du schon ein Praktikum gemacht? Erzaehle davon." mean precisley?

[solemn vale]

Something like "Have you done an internship? Tell me about it"

[compact forge]

I thought das Praktikum meant "science pratical"

[solemn vale]

Never encountered that phrase

[compact forge]

It was in my GCSE homework.

[glacial crag]

another one of those nouns that have 2 meanings

context decides

[compact forge]

I see

[compact forge]

The context is speaking questions that relate to education

My school requires work experience. I worked at a library.

[thin pollen]

why's it Ihren Nachbarn here

[upper osprey]

how am I supposed to study 4h a day WHILE also not studying so much grammar? I’m a beginner, grammar is all I can do

[astral yoke]

Yara is talking abt her neighbor Mr. Munz ^^
versus
Yara is talking with her neighbor Mr. Munz -> Y. spricht mit ihrem Nachbarn Hr. Munz

[thin pollen]

is the first one in akkusativ?

[astral yoke]

so, you try to learn the language with only grammar, no vocab, no speaking, no hearing, no writing? 🤔

[upper osprey]

no but at my level I can’t do any of those (except vocabulary)

[astral yoke]

talking abt needs that (in most cases anyhow) 🤷‍♂️

[astral yoke]

faq beginner

[livid steeple]

How to get started

The simplest way to learn German is to find topics you don’t understand yet and search for explanations of them. This list provides you with a guide for which topics to learn if you are completely new to German. Type the topic into Google (or YouTube) and start learning!

Introduction

1: Alphabet (especially ä, ü, ö and ß)
2: Basic greetings (hello, goodbye, etc.)

Part 1 - Simple Sentence

1: Noun gender & plurals
2: Nominative case (What are cases?)
3: Nominative pronouns (I, you, he, she, etc.)
4: Verbs in present tense
5: Definite/indefinite articles
6: Accusative case (for nouns)
7: Accusative pronouns
8: Word order of simple sentences
9: How to ask questions

See Part 2 on the next page.

Tips

• Always learn the gender of a noun when you learn a new noun
• Learn to use a translation dictionary (e.g. dict.cc, leo.org)
• Use >faq resources to see our list of German learning resources
• For listening and pronunciation practice, try watching movies or videos (incl. YouTube)
• You can listen to pronunciation for words on websites like dict.cc, forvo.com, and others
• Practice writing sentences every day (and asking people to correct them)
• Ask as many questions as possible
• Don’t be scared to make mistakes!!!! If you don’t let yourself make mistakes, you will never be able to learn German

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[thin pollen]

isnt Nachbarn the plural of Nachbar

this is so confusing ngl lol

[flint bolt]

its a wonderful thing called N-Deklination

[astral yoke]

there we got context:
ihren Nachbarn Hr. X -'> can NOT be plural 🤷‍♂️

[thin pollen]

am i missing out on anything was i supposed to have learnt this at a1?

[thin pollen]

so Herrn also follows the N deklination

[flint bolt]

no its kinda fucked up dont worry about not learning this at first

it happens with specific masculine Nouns (some neuter ones too though)

[lunar lynx]

https://www.deutschmm.com/n-deklination-complete-list/ its this

its pretty much just nouns describing male concepts

[flint bolt]

hm i guess Herz is the only neuter one

pretty damn common word though..

[astral yoke]

As @flint bolt said, maybe forget abt the 'deklination' and first take the rest of the information 🤷‍♂️

[flint bolt]

yeah this is uhh like

dont sweat it at A1

[thin pollen]

alr ty

[flint bolt]

gotta get the normal declension first before you do this goofy stuff

way more important

[frigid tinsel]

I just learned this too thanks to Pokebälle (plural) vs Pokebällen (plural AND n-declined).

vs Pokeball (singular).

There are also some Dativ noun declebsion IIRC.

[glacial crag]

keine Ahnung wo du diese liste gefunden hast, aber sie ist ja nützlich

[lunar lynx]

As in? Ball doesnt work like that

Every noun gets an -n in plural dativ unless it ends with an -n or -s, that's nothing irregular

[flint bolt]

only one i know is Herzem

[frigid tinsel]

der Sinn / dem Sinne

More like der Sinn / im Sinne, Wiktionary claims it really only happens in set phrases it seems....

[flint bolt]

ohhh you mean that

the other one is zu Hause

i also see "benehmen sich wie die Axt im Walde"

[frigid tinsel]

Too much A1 readers for me, apparently I never came across plural Dativ lol. Well, at least my new reading material is giving me these examples....

Either that or I never noticed.

[stiff kraken]

das Herz does not belong to n-deklination

i'd call it some sort of a special case because it doesn't really belong to any deklination

[flint bolt]

perhaps

it was taught to me as a weird n deklination so i was sticking w that

but yeah its verry weird

[thin pollen]

can I use mehr with the adjectives in the positive form instead of the comperative?

"Er ist mehr schnell als -----"

[flint bolt]

here youd say schneller

[thin pollen]

Does that mean that in this specific sentence or adjective I would use schneller only or does mehr never replace the comperative

[flint bolt]

i cant think off the top of my head where "mehr" works like english

in german

in terms of using it to strengthen adjectives

[thin pollen]

alr

[stiff kraken]

i mean it can be declined normally:

das herz
des herzes
dem herz
das herz

but also like this:
das herz
des herzens
dem herzen
das herz

but since the word doesn't take the -en ending in akkusativ we can't call that mixed declension like in words Buchstabe, Gedanke etc

its just a very special case

[flint bolt]

yeah one for like medicine right

[stiff kraken]

i can't think of any other word that behaves like that

considering that mixed declension is pretty rare already

[flint bolt]

i just think grouping itwith n deklination works so that you learn it with the others

just like three asterisks on top of it lmao

[stiff kraken]

yeah but you gotta remember there are words that take -ens ending in genitiv

not -en like in normal n-deklination

[flint bolt]

yeah thats what i mean with multiple asterisks

[stiff kraken]

thats the point 😛

[flint bolt]

on top of the normal asterisk there is another asterisk of not in accusative

i swear sometimes this language is made to mess with learners..

[stiff kraken]

i can't lie i absolutely love things like that

these relics from old german

that generally vanished but still exist in some words

it makes it more interesting

[flint bolt]

i shake my fist at the sky about those type of things

[stiff kraken]

bruh they are beautiful

also that's not only about german

[flint bolt]

no its basically every language

[stiff kraken]

i study such cases in english too

[flint bolt]

but my native language is a conlang so that annoys me

[stiff kraken]

what 🥀

[flint bolt]

grr why isnt everything rigid

[stiff kraken]

wdym

[flint bolt]

indonesian is a conlang

[stiff kraken]

no way

what 😭

[flint bolt]

its based mainly on melayu/malay but it was artificial in origin

erm hold on ill move to general 2 this is questions

[scenic obsidian]

It is n-deklination, it's just a weird one that's "not like the other girls" 🤣

[scenic obsidian]

Today I Learned 🤔

[flint bolt]

it seems i was wrong, chatted further about it in gen 2

[stiff kraken]

its closer to mixed

uses -ens ending

[wary jungle]

Is nicos weg and anki decks combined enough to get you to A2 and above?

[stiff kraken]

well anyway why would anyone have a discussion about a group of like 5 words that decided to make a difference 🥀

[wary jungle]

Also why do you sometimes add "ehe" when referring to your significant other and sometimes zou don't?

[abstract turret]

depends on context „Ehe-„ just indicates the person is married, if it is obvious you would skip the Ehe part and just say Mein Mann instead

[glacial crag]

If they'll help you improve all your skills and are enjoyable, yeah totally

just make sure you're hitting all the weak points consistently

but it's also a good idea to watch different videos on youtube

[glacial crag]

wait actually, I should give a more thorough answer
Anki Decks will cover your vocab until b1
Nicos weg is also good, but adding a different reading source together with daily speaking and writing practice would be a good idea

try your best to write in #german-only and #beginner-german . Even if it's a few sentencs a day, it's better than nothing

[ashen nova]

Can someone please explain the difference between ihr and sie (not the 3rd person, but the one that's next to Sie when you conjugate verbs)?

[hallow marlin]

can you give an example

[ashen nova]

i don't have an example but it's when you conjugate verbs the last one lowercase

[hallow marlin]

ihr is a group of people in front of you if that group is not present then you use sie

[ashen nova]

oh my dumb ahh

mb, ty

[hallow marlin]

nws haha

[scenic obsidian]

The lowercase "sie wollen" = they want

This is 3rd person

1st person means the speaker is referring to themself

(ich, I)

2nd person means the speaker is referring to the listener, the other person(s) in the conversation

(du = single other person, you
ihr = multiple other people, y'all)

3rd person means you are talking about someone who is neither you nor the listener, but a 3rd party entirely who isn't involved in the conversation

(er, he
sie wollen, they want)

[ashen nova]

Thanks for explaining bro, I really appreciate it!

[wary jungle]

awesome thanks!

[wary jungle]

okay i will try my best then :}

[wary jungle]

thankss