avatar-help

[patent elbow]

Ive been getting stuck on the avatar build menu (Im using 2022 unity avatar), and when it "uploads", it does it as a blank where you can do nothing with the avatar.

[quiet plume]

Can you provide pictures?

[patent elbow]

ITS FIXED ITSELF FINALLY Im not sure what I did. But now it wont let me add a quest compatible, even tho the model and assets are fs for quest AND windows

Any idea on how to fix the android issue?

[quiet plume]

Honestly, no. It's weird that it wouldn't let you even check the Android box :/

Normally, you are at least able to check the box

But yours is grayed out

[somber sequoia]

install the android build tools.

[quiet plume]

Oh, true

I think there's something that can help

[patent elbow]

I have it all installed although, lemme verify on using the correct build

Not sure how to check tho unless its on the unity side

[gaunt knoll]

loading up unity to show you now

[somber sequoia]

clearly not present

[patent elbow]

Im not sure why it didnt auto install..

[somber sequoia]

click "manage" and add those packages

[dry ibex]

How do i fix this ?,, ive had this error before and i never figured it out

[patent elbow]

Fixed! Thanks soo much! Im not sure how the original issue got fixed, but it worked out!

Any idea on how to fix the texture issue with the mouth changing alongside the body?

[vestal sand]

hi, so i got an issue with the mesh of a model

let me get the pcitures

[somber sequoia]

do you need to though? You can export from Blender with smoothing set to "face" then import normals instead of calculate, but is it actually a problem?

[dry ibex]

yes, it makes it so my talking viseme doesnt work

[vestal sand]

for some reasons, the legs there are being squished, i checked on blender if a blendshape didn't caused this or an attribute given by accident but i found nothing, i then checked on unity the mesh and it looks fine, so idk why it's doing this i've exported the fbx file multiple times and it still didn't fixed

[somber sequoia]

doesn't work how?

[dry ibex]

The talkintg viseme is a plane com,ingg out of the head

sorruy for my spelling new keyboard

[somber sequoia]

I'd have to see it, but almost certainly this warning has nothing to do with that

[dry ibex]

ill figure it out but thx

[somber sequoia]

alright

[patent elbow]

Wondering if taking a pc color material and transfering it to quest comp?

[somber sequoia]

"comp"?
but other than swapping shaders, it will probably work

[patent elbow]

Its a poi yomi shader pack.

Im wondering if I can do anything to make it appear on quest

[somber sequoia]

not use Poiyomi, and hope it looks ok

[patent elbow]

How could I switch it? Its an already made asset.

[umbral oriole]

you can change it to toon standard its the closest you will get

aslong as there arent any specail shader tricks it should look fine

[somber sequoia]

top of the material, there's a dropdown to pick shader

[patent elbow]

Do I need to install toon standard, or is it pre installed?

[somber sequoia]

it's part of the VRChat SDK

[umbral oriole]

also you can tweak it a bit to look better and keep an eye on the emissions sometimes it can be turned all the way up by default

[umbral oriole]

pre installed

[patent elbow]

Sounds good! Thanks soo much! Ill give it a shot and see how it looks

[glossy dome]

o.O I've got a rather weird error... used VRC CC to make a new project (Unity 2022.3.22f1), selected avatar 2022, made sure the sdk for base/avatars was both newest 3.10.1... and when I open the project I have an error:

Broken text PPtr in file(Packages/com.vrchat.avatars/Samples/AV3 Demo Assets/Animation/Controllers/vrc_AvatarV3FaceLayer.controller). Local file identifier (1102609947887879250) doesn't exist!

[umbral oriole]

yeah it should comeout pretty ok as long as no poiyomi wizardry is involved to make the asset look good

[umbral oriole]

does the error stop you from uploading avatars or going onto gesture manager if not then you can ignore it

[glossy dome]

Not 100% sure, it's there without me adding anything at all other than those SDKs. Nothing in the scene, no extra packages added.

[umbral oriole]

yeah then ignore it

if it does stop you from uploading or from going into play mode then its a real issue otherwise you can ignore it

[glossy dome]

wellp, guess I'll find out eventually.

Would hate to do a bunch of stuff only to find out that the error blocks anything from happening :<

[umbral oriole]

worst case scenario you can save then export the scene with all dependencies and reimport into a new project so dont worry too much

[vestal sand]

i checked again and i can't find the issue

[somber sequoia]

how are you merging these? Weight paint is based on having a vertex group containing weights match the bone name, if that doesn't match it won't work

[unborn nacelle]

i got it

[stuck wadi]

how do i make the arrow menue in vrc fury

[somber sequoia]

arrow menu?

[unborn nacelle]

i have these ones here in "grey" below body, why are they here like this? i have the same ones below but not in grey

[somber sequoia]

grey means they're disabled somehow, probably in a collection which is disabled, but still a child of the armature, which is enabled

objects can belong to multiple collections

[prisma monolith]

how do i see the arrows on my view point? when i press to edit where it is, the arrows and stuff don't show up

the arrows in the screenshot are just of my model, not the view position

[somber sequoia]

got gizmos on? upper-right icon in the scene view, looks like a globe

[prisma monolith]

omg

lol

i turned it on lemme check

[somber sequoia]

it's a really useful toggle

[prisma monolith]

i see it

thank you so much

[modest ferry]

first time trying to make a prefab an FBX (using fbx exporter), and im not sure how to fix this

[night ember]

why are you trying to make a prefab an fbx

[somber sequoia]

that usually doesn't go well, best to not try.

[vestal sand]

can someone help me with this please ?

[stark vapor]

how do i fix

[vestal sand]

color is red

the more red it is, the more it will follow the bone assigned

[unborn nacelle]

so if i paint it fully red it will follow it completely?

[vestal sand]

that's the idea

in weightpaint

yes, if it is still looking like this, it means that another bone is affecting it, maybe the spine, chest or others

[unborn nacelle]

ok, let me see

[somber sequoia]

fix what?

[hushed osprey]

sorry if i yell

[stark vapor]

it keeps saying __ is not a child of __ and i don't know how to fix it

and i cant import it the way it is currentlty

[somber sequoia]

no, it says, not a first child of. There's nothing in this image that is blocking you.

[stark vapor]

i- i genuinely dont even know what the hell i'm looking at here

[somber sequoia]

looks like that package is broken somehow. no idea, I've never used it.

I assume you tried restarting Unity?

[stark vapor]

i havent yet actually

[somber sequoia]

huh.

[stark vapor]

let me try that

[somber sequoia]

start there.

[stark vapor]

welp didnt work

[unborn nacelle]

sorry, i didnt see you answered this. So how do i remove that collection if i want to? or active it

[somber sequoia]

play around in the outliner, upper-right. you can delete collections the same as anything else in blender ,or use the right-click menu. But beware that might delete the objects in it

[unborn nacelle]

ok ty

[clear nova]

how would one go about fixing the phys bone sticking downwards

[night ember]

by actually putting the component on the bone

its not "sticking downwards"

its going from the root up to the bone

[clear nova]

huh

so i need to connect the root?

[night ember]

you need to put the component on the actual bone

[clear nova]

uhhhhhhhhhhhhh

ill hopefully figure it out

cuz im new and aint savy too all this lol

i found it

[vestal sand]

can someone tell me if it can be fixed and what's the issue ?

[somber sequoia]

can't tell what is going on from the images.

[vestal sand]

for some reason, the legs gets squished when i put it in unity, i've checked in blender if it was an attribute given by accident, still didn't fixed it, i've tried to open a new session, still didn't worked, not the fault of a blendshape

what it looks like

[ornate stump]

Is there blendshape on those part?

[vestal sand]

nope

i tried to seperate the face from the body and got rid of them all from the body and it still didn't fixed it

[ornate stump]

Check bone scale in unity.

[vestal sand]

ok

??????

ok, that was weird

[ornate stump]

What did you do?

[vestal sand]

let me show

but..

[ornate stump]

Scaling lower leg affecting the upper leg?

[vestal sand]

idk

did nothing

[ornate stump]

You did scaling the leg.

[vestal sand]

i mean yes but they are still deformed and for some reason the textures are not well placed

[ornate stump]

Have you tested with pose move in blender?

[vestal sand]

yes

and they worked fine

[ornate stump]

Can you show the knees rotated in both app?

[vestal sand]

ok

Blender Unity

ok that is really weird

[ornate stump]

Did you unpack the model in the scene?

[vestal sand]

no

[ornate stump]

keep it that way.

[vestal sand]

it just comes out like that when i import it in unity

[ornate stump]

Have you apply transform on every object in blender?

[vestal sand]

give me a sec

done it and still doesn't work

[ornate stump]

Do you draw a new fbx file into the scene each time you update it?

[vestal sand]

yes

and i've exported plenty before

and even exported different versions, and still didn't fixed it

[ornate stump]

Make sure that there is no animation frame in blender.

[vestal sand]

ok

found none

[ornate stump]

Can you look in unity what number is the scale for the leg bone?

[vestal sand]

ok

selected both of them

[ornate stump]

Are other bones scaled close to 1 as well?

[vestal sand]

no, the rest got 1

i did put 1 for the legs and it didn't fixed them

[ornate stump]

It looks like the upper leg bones got very small bindpose, which I have no idea why it does that. I still think it's a problem in blender.

[vestal sand]

ok

it's weird because on blender it's all good

[ornate stump]

There is some case where it looks right in blender but wrong in unity. One of the problem is the object scale being negative in blender.

[vestal sand]

ok

[rain plume]

im trying to use the vrc parent constraints for a centaur model, using another model as reference the legs on it go opposite directions front leg goes out back leg goes in and so on, but no matter what i do i cant get it to reverse like that on my model, any help would be great!

[wanton cedar]

Im using fade on this since its the only setting that makes the hair look soft and not noodle like. but i want to know if theres a way so you cant see the grid through the hair while using fade (I know its going to be see through in worlds if you can see the grid through it) If theres a better way to make soft realistic hair, i'd be happy to hear it.

[ornate stump]

That's because of fade is transparent so it will see through and have issue with other transparent object. Try using Cutout with Alpha to Mask option.

[wanton cedar]

I see, is there a setting to make cutout look any softer? Its kinda choppy

[ornate stump]

Alpha to Mask option. In poiyomi it's called Alpha to Coverage.

[wanton cedar]

That made it worse

[ornate stump]

If you see dither dot, it's better when you look in game or in game view.

[wanton cedar]

I hope it looks better in game ^^' Do you think Liltoon would be better for the hair?

[ornate stump]

It has the same issue.

[wanton cedar]

⚰️

thank you

[vestal sand]

still can't figure out ?

[ornate stump]

No idea.

[vestal sand]

it's okay

thanks though

[vestal sand]

i guess there must have been an issue during the export as an fbx

[wanton cedar]

Where are the settings for this?? For some reason the blendshape is set to zero, but its acting like its turned on

[ornate stump]

Clamp setting doesn't relate. Do you mean it being turned on when testing or in game?

[wanton cedar]

No its literally just on right now in the viewport, but its fine in blender. Im very confused, I dont know how to word this

[ornate stump]

What does it do if you set blendshape to 100?

[wanton cedar]

Nothing in unity

yeah i think its just got a grudge against me

[ornate stump]

When you exporting from blender, make sure that every shapekey are zero and doesn't have pinned shapekey.

[wanton cedar]

I did

All the other shapekeys but that one are fine

[sly orbit]

anyone up?

i copied over an avatar i edited in blender using pumpkin and for some reason my eyelashes are metallic now 😭

[loud shard]

is anything else on your avatar metallic? it may have merged the textures?

[sly orbit]

yes, there are other metallic things
it changed the eyelashes to the regular silver metallic, and the ears to the red metallic i have 😭

[loud shard]

If you drag and drop the original material for the eyelashes back onto them, how does it look?

[sly orbit]

that worked! the only thing that i discovered that isn't working, is it has like a baby hair/hair cap thing and the part that is meant to be transparent is metallic

[sly orbit]

(figured it out!)

[hazy quest]

Why aren't my eye rotations zero? I've used the cats addon to zero out the rotation.

Please reply or @ me so I get the notification.

[lone shoal]

hey can i have some help rq? im getting these errors in the SDK/console, but ONLY when all of the listed bones (head, hands, feet, or upper arms) are specified in the avatar config - if even a single one of them isnt specified the errors disappear (but obviously that breaks the avatars rig because core bones arent there)

mapping looks fine

[somber sequoia]

a) see if there is an error in the rig tab, near where you click the "configure" button to view this
b) is the rig actually correct? bone hierarchy matters
c) make sure there's an object in the Animator component's Avatar slot

[lone shoal]

A) no errors
B) yep this is a rig reused from another avatar that works fine
C) yea the avatar is there

[somber sequoia]

hmm, not sure why it wouldn't work then

well make sure the right bones are in those slots I guess?

[lone shoal]

ive removed and reapplied them several times to make sure 🤷

[trim trellis]

I am getting this error and I have no idea how to fix it, I have tried making a new project, checking for missing scripts, etc

[round comet]

Whats your sdk look like? Anything there?

[trim trellis]

Wdym by what does it look like, sorry I'm still kinda new to all this

[round comet]

Like does it have any errors or warnings, sorry if that was vague

[prisma monolith]

I edited the uv for the beast hunters alt mode, and it shows up fine in blender but won't show up in unity
1st image is what it's supposed to look like, 2nd image is what it keeps spawning in as, how do I fix?

[somber sequoia]

Looks like you have some work to do on the material in Unity. Did you set one up there, or is that just using the embedded one?

[prisma monolith]

no i set one up its already good

they use the same material i just changed colors using the uv editor

[somber sequoia]

using the uv editor?

[prisma monolith]

in blender

[somber sequoia]

yes, of course that's in blender, I meant that coloring in the uv editor is an interesting approach

[prisma monolith]

ok what i did was i used the knife tool to create the extra lines, then shifted them where they should be in the uv editing tab

[somber sequoia]

huh, that'll change more than just color though, if you're using PBR materials, such as the normals and roughness/metallic

[brave venture]

if anyone has the time, I'm trying to make a hand puppet avatar, I have the model and the rig, I just don't know how to make it work in unity. I'm experimenting with something right now so I will post photos in a sec.

[somber sequoia]

probably we'd need to see how you've got this setup.

[brave venture]

I have absolutely no clue what I'm doing in terms on how I'm supposed to do this

the humanoid character would be invisible, its just there to see if unity would detect it at all, (it did but got rid of the puppet.)

[trim trellis]

Not at all, besides the picture I sent

[round comet]

in your vrchat sdk??

[trim trellis]

I'm confused at what you mean by in my sdk😭😭

I'm so sorry😭😭

[round comet]

here hold on

[trim trellis]

I'll be home soon and I can look at it more

[round comet]

this

np

[somber osprey]

how do I prevent a shader to be see through everything?

[trim trellis]

uhhhhhh

[somber sequoia]

maybe you can show what it's doing?

...

what is that

[trim trellis]

that is my unity😭

[dull wolf]

purple screen of death..?

[round comet]

huhhhh

what happened there

[trim trellis]

I have no idea

[somber sequoia]

window -> layouts -> reset all layouts

[round comet]

bless, Kazin

[somber sequoia]

looks like you have one of the panels maximized

why it's pink..... that i dunno 🙂

[trim trellis]

Made it worse lmao

[somber sequoia]

hah

[round comet]

maybe just start with a fresh project again

and we can figure out your error from there

[trim trellis]

Yeah, but also I wonder if something is corrupted? when I chatgpt'd the error it said it could be a issue with a potential corrupted file? or corrupt cache

but let me make a new one

[somber osprey]

see how this is being see through someone else's Avi?

I wanna prevent that

[somber sequoia]

this is so dark I'm not sure what part I'm looking at here?

do you mean the blue whatever?

[somber osprey]

yes

let me het a better picture

[somber sequoia]

ok well you'd have to share your shader settings

[somber osprey]

I was told to use stencils but idk how exacTLY

the document is confusing

[brave venture]

the puppet is connected to the palm of the humanoid rig. everything is rigged with the correct weights I just don't know how to get it to work in unity. also all my normals are flipped in unity but not in blender? Unsure why this is happening.

[somber sequoia]

what exactly is "not working"?

[brave venture]

when I import my model to unity the humanoid rig doesn't show up and only detects the rig inside the puppet.

[somber sequoia]

Unity will attempt to detect your rig by seeing what is weight painted, you'll probably have to put the right bones in the slots manually.

[somber osprey]

here this is the problem

its being phased through this block over here, I wanna prevent that but still be see through the avi body

[trim trellis]

@round comet

[somber sequoia]

still nothing we can tell you from these pictures

[somber sequoia]

click "auto fix" at the top

[round comet]

holy triangles

[trim trellis]

is that whats causing my error😭

[somber sequoia]

wow. Yeah that's going to be bad.

[round comet]

I mean, maybe

I'd say try to upload again

[somber osprey]

okay here's a better view

do you see the problem now?

[somber sequoia]

Again, I saw this the first time, but we can't help you without seeing your shader settings.

[somber osprey]

its here @somber sequoia

[somber sequoia]

oh you're doing stencils, yeah wrong settings in some way.

[somber osprey]

do you know how?

[somber sequoia]

why are you using stencils though?

explain what it is you want this to do.

[somber osprey]

I was told that's how you make it so its only see through the body, but not through everything

[trim trellis]

hopefully it works

[somber osprey]

prevent this heart model being see through literally everything in the world

[round comet]

just let us know if it doesnt and we could look at other potential issues

[somber sequoia]

Yeah that makes some sense, have it render before the body. I'm not sure exactly how to make it work for you, but you're on the right track, and I've seen a bunch of docs on stencils in the past.

[trim trellis]

Okay thank you, definetly gonna be minute since its a new project

[round comet]

tyt

[somber osprey]

even if I get behind some wall, my heart's still see through

[somber osprey]

They're too technical and confusing for me

couldn't find one that explains exactly how to prevent this

[somber sequoia]

yeah I recall it being tricky to get right

[somber osprey]

I fixed it

Stencil compare to equal
ZFail to replace

the documentation doesn't help at all....but glad you told me that I was close atleast, appreciate it @somber sequoia

[somber sequoia]

which docs? I found decent info in the Unity docs at one point

it's not a Poiyomi-specific thing

[somber osprey]

this is from Poiyomi document I was referred

caus this is using poiyomi shaders

[somber sequoia]

yep, but this a thing many shaders do

Poi's docs tend to be poi-specific.

[round comet]

maybe the poi server knows?

[somber osprey]

there's a unity document for it regardless of what shaders I use?

[somber sequoia]

it's not even unity specific

[somber osprey]

they just gave me the document and expect me to figure out

i'm not, I'm too dumb

[somber osprey]

wdym?

[somber sequoia]

but yes, I recall reading about stencils in the unity docs

[somber sequoia]

I mean this isn't a unity-specific concept, it's supported in other things that do rendering like this

[trim trellis]

@round comet it worked!

Thank you @somber sequoia !

[round comet]

awesomesauce!

[trim trellis]

I feel like a idiot for missing that small thing😭

[manic copper]

Hii, I need help uploading an avatar!! I bought an avi but every time I try to upload it says “ID cannot be used, please use an SDK 3.9.0 or newer” but I’m using the newest..

[somber sequoia]

You are not using the latest SDK if you see that message.

check your VCC/alcom to verify

[trim trellis]

it says i am using 3.10.1

[somber sequoia]

in the specific project you're working on? It shouldn't give you that message then.

[manic copper]

Do I check that on the VCC application?

[somber sequoia]

Yes

[trim trellis]

Yeah I can show you it says 3.10.1

[somber sequoia]

oh - I wasn't talking to you at all here

[trim trellis]

oh crap I am sorry😭

[somber sequoia]

no worries, I didn't reply so I can see how that got confusing

[manic copper]

That’s the error message

[somber sequoia]

Yep, pretty clear what the problem is.

[manic copper]

Okay, and at the bottom of the screen it says “attempted to load the data for an avatar we do not own, clearing blueprint ID”

[round comet]

just swap to the latest SDK

[manic copper]

Okay sorry I’m not very good with unity

[round comet]

its ok!

[somber sequoia]

Again, go upgrade your SDK in VCC or Alcom.

[manic copper]

How do I know the SDK edition

[somber sequoia]

...

[manic copper]

And where do I do that

I’m sorry I don’t use Unity often

[somber sequoia]

Please read what I've already told you. happy to clarify, but I thought it was pretty clear already.

[manic copper]

When I go to the vrchat website, the SDK version it downloads is 2.4.5

[somber sequoia]

Do you not use VCC for this?

[manic copper]

Yeah I did

[somber sequoia]

Then do what I said, in VCC

[round comet]

ok, so open VRChat Creator Companion and go manage your project then

[manic copper]

I’m sorry I’m trying

Okay

[round comet]

then you can swap your base and avatar SDK(s) to the latest, which is 3.10.1

[manic copper]

It already is

Idk why the uploads aren’t working

[round comet]

ok so, did you also import the 2.4.5 SDK into the project?

[manic copper]

Let me try again

[round comet]

you only need one

so don't do that if so

[somber sequoia]

It definitely is NOT if you are getting that error.

[manic copper]

No I only made the project through VCC

[round comet]

alright

[manic copper]

Like I said, I apologize

[somber sequoia]

no need to apologise

[round comet]

I'd just say double-check, because like Kazin said you shouldn't be thrown that error if you're using the latest SDK

[manic copper]

Oooh it just updated, that’s my bad 🥲🥲🥲 I’m so sorry

[somber sequoia]

yep 🙂

[manic copper]

I suck at unity stuffs

Can I ask what the ID error means?

[round comet]

I think you were just getting thrown that error for using an outdated SDK

older SDKs use a different system for blueprint IDs

[manic copper]

Ohhhh oh my god thank u so much

I overthought it

[somber sequoia]

This detailed in the #announcements channel, sometime this year, I forget exactly when, they explained about the required update.

[manic copper]

Okay yeah I don’t check servers often

[round comet]

stuff is typically simple when it comes to uploads

just small errors

[manic copper]

Man I feel dumb hahaha

Let’s hope it works

[round comet]

all good. That's why this channel is here

you're free to reach out here for us to help if you get anything else

[manic copper]

I was being dumb lol I tried like 5 different avis

[manic copper]

Can I add you?

[somber sequoia]

you'll need to upgrade all of those projects too

[round comet]

I'm not currently adding people, but I'm def up for chatting if you ever hop into gen 1

[manic copper]

Okay thanks so much guys

[round comet]

all good!

[manic copper]

Sorry another question - could be dumb BUT can I import the quest unity package in to the same project and then convert my project to android???

[somber sequoia]

probably

[manic copper]

Okay I’ll try that

It uploaded for pc tho

[round comet]

You’d wanna do a fresh project

[manic copper]

Ohhh shoot ok I already imported the quest version

Uhhhh let me see

[round comet]

All good! Just issues with stuff getting overwritten sometimes if you use the same project

I’ll use the same project sometimes but I delete everything out before importing a new package

[manic copper]

If I deleted everything out, will it mess with the avatar i already uploaded????

[round comet]

No, it wont

That’s already in the actual game

[manic copper]

Okay

[round comet]

Be sure you have the android module downloaded too if you wanna upload to quest

[manic copper]

Yes maam I do

That’s one thing ik how to do lol

[round comet]

Awesomesauce. Your upload should be easy-sailing then

[clear plume]

So i was trying to add voice emission to an avi and followed this tutorial but it doesn't seem to work? https://youtu.be/bLJG9ycJQ6s?si=3C4w6KOElQZ-akf1

It's even on the FX layer like the comments stated

[brave venture]

Is there an easier way to do this? Like parenting the puppet to a hand bone to some armature in unity?? I can't figure this out for the life of me. I just want a floppy puppet on my hand that reacts to my voice.

[brave venture]

https://meelo3d.gumroad.com/l/NoodleDragon it would work like this, I just dont know how they did it

[round comet]

Probably parented to the hand or wrist bone

[wispy spear]

im having some problems with this jaw. i think the issue is the jaw bone, anyway! whats happening is when i go to play mode the jaw is just always open... i dont know how to fix it 😔

[timber wharf]

@wispy spear is it jaw bone or visemes based lipsync? if visemes, then just unmap jaw bone in the rig

ie this #avatar-help message

[wispy spear]

ohh i see, thank you!!

[brave venture]

How do I make the white character invisible?

[radiant night]

What shader are you using?

[brave venture]

toon standard VRChat

[balmy barn]

can delete the skinned mesh renderer it will just have the armature then

[brave venture]

where would I find this? Thank you

[balmy barn]

whatever your mesh is named, click that and inspector

[brave venture]

oh awesome, thank you again :^)

[timber wharf]

@balmy barn doesnt it break with nothing to render nowadays? or as long as theres at least smth to render then its fine?

[balmy barn]

forget if my generic av using it or not, think its deleted and it behaves

easy check

turning it off breaks it for sure

offline testing 'generic' course never work right it throws a hissy fit - but yup it behaves ingame toggles ect work

its just a quad that animates whenever i move , so anything else should be possible

since the avatar slot still filled just it has no mesh unless i add one (or objects)

pure generic avatars are a pain so id rather use a empty skeleton

[somber osprey]

is there a way to prevent the avi model to go down when pressing preview on animation?

its difficult to compare before and after

[balmy barn]

set it generic temporary, but thats what happens when its humanoid

green is generic

[timber wharf]

@somber osprey you can set some idle pose animation as a default state in avatar's animator (none here:) #avatar-help message

iirc it mostly behaves then

[somber osprey]

so make the Controller to "none"

[timber wharf]

no

make controller to anything with idle being default state

[somber osprey]

how exactly?

i'm new to this kind of stuff

[timber wharf]

if its already none then just find and drag idle animation on root

[somber osprey]

i'm confused what you mean by that, could you be more descriptive?

[timber wharf]

no thats fx controller

typically (for a normal unity project) animator component consists of animator and avatar descriptor. point is vrc doesnt care for animator slot at all and builds its own from 5 playable layers like loco, fx etc. so your "main" animator can be anything

[somber osprey]

I'm still confused what I'm supposed to do to make the avi not go down during preview, that doesn't tell me much

[somber osprey]

can you explain what I'm supposed to do?

[timber wharf]

@somber osprey set animator to none, find idle animation in sdk package, drag onto avatars root. if you need to edit sny other anims, drag them after as well (so they're not default)

thatd create a new useless animator with idle being default and iirc should stop avatar from bike posing

[ornate stump]

Do this instead:

1. Duplicate your avatar in the scene.
2. Remove avatar slot in animator controller in the duped model.
3. Do the preview or record on the duped model like usual.
   This will stop the model bone from being animated.

[somber osprey]

"Remove avatar slot in animator controller in the duped model."

this one that's currently selected right?

How cause I don't have a prompt to remove it if I right click on it

[ornate stump]

You click on the circle button and select None. Or just click on the slot and hit Del key.

[peak badge]

anybody available to hop in a vc and help me out with uploading an avatar? i'm confused with like the entire process lol

[inner perch]

any ideas on why one eye is not there, it looks fine when uploading but like this in game

[ornate stump]

Did you set eye look in avatar descriptor?

[inner perch]

Lemme open it up, i think i did it correctly

[ornate stump]

Screenshot how you set it.

[peak badge]

nvm ig 💀

[ornate stump]

People don't like vc with stranger. You will get better luck if you had specific question.

[peak badge]

yeah it's easier to screenshare the process though rather than screenshotting every single thing that i'm struggling with

cause it's not just one thing

[inner perch]

Heres what i got

[ornate stump]

You set nothing though. Does the preview look correct?

[inner perch]

Was i supposed to edit the states for looking different directions?

[ornate stump]

You usually supposed to, otherwise there is no point of having eye bones.

[ornate stump]

And you might have to check the Upper Right Eyelid assignment.

[inner perch]

hmmm i will see what i can do thanks for the help

[timber wharf]

but chances are reduced drastically tho

[peak badge]

i'd rather have assistance throughout the process rather than having to screenshot and type out every question i have every time i run into something i don't understand, which again is basically the majority of it

like if y'all don't wanna do that then that's fine, it's whatever. but telling me i'd be better off doing screenshots, which would be very inconvenient considering the amount of things i'm needing help with, is hysterical

[timber wharf]

just saying there are barely any people who are both know a thing and are willing to waste their time for any kind of private one to one. but ive seen some so wont discourage you

[little plume]

I cant get this to weightpaint to a bone

i cant click on a bone, and there isnt an option for bones on the sidebar either

[ornate stump]

bones on the sidebar
That's where you have to select the armature object.

[little plume]

i know

i didnt have it selected in the screenshot

but it doesnt show up

[ornate stump]

What does it show if you select the armature? You're also missing armature deform modifier for the sphere.

[little plume]

i tried adding the modifier and it changed nothing

[ornate stump]

You will have to add then do weight paint.

[little plume]

i did.

[ornate stump]

What do you have now?

[little plume]

the same thing

[ornate stump]

It can't be the same if you added armature modifier.

[inner perch]

I did in fact figure it out, thanks Renfrew

[little plume]

oh well i ended up getting it working by adding a sphere in edit mode instead of as a seperate mesh

but i did do that thats why I was super confused lol

[ornate stump]

The other object already has armature modifier and vertex group already exists.

[inner perch]

And im back again, any ideas as to why unity cant find any shape keys for visimes? was it something i did while exporting

Never mind i applied transformations on export

Issue resolved

[tranquil ridge]

How would I go about adding stars to an avatars skin?

I can't seem to figure it out and she's ALMOST done!

[tawdry swallow]

id reccomend poyomi, getting a png of a star. and i THINK theres a way to customize it. dont take my word. i dont really use poyomi that much. and it would be pc only

[wanton cedar]

oops

Oh well, For some reason when i enforce T pose it goes back to this

Like when i enforce T pose, it looks like this, all dandy, everythings fine. I hit done. it says this. do I need 2 spine bones or something??

This is his armature. I feel like thats how its supposed to look, no?

right, last thing, is this telling me I cant have anything named the same as the main bones? Ive got his head named head and the head bone named Head

[strange saffron]

anyone have suggestions on why this is breaking on me?

like why are the things flipped?

it was working fine in like model version 12 or something but now I'm at 24

[balmy barn]

vroid - you can use these 3 shapes and have cats generate the rest - cant tell if you are using anything in eyelid type

one i use on a vrm/webcam-eyetracking one

[strange saffron]

I did a bit more manually as you might be able to see in the blendshapes, so that isn't the problem

[agile scroll]

Hi Hi! Hope all of you Beans are doing well! The avi i bought comes with the pc model and the quest friendly model. The quest friendly model has the texture with the colors I like. If I put the texture on the pc model the pattern for like the feet wind up on its head and the colors are in the wrong places. But if I try to put the quest friendly avi in the hierarchy and set the texture to poyomi it scrambles, turns blue or pink, and if I set it to standard it adds a red tint to everything. But I can't add the hight maps if it is set to mobile quest.

Texture on pc avi

This but on pc avi.

Is there a solution for this?

[patent elbow]

Not sure what I did, but it happened once more. Not sure how I fixed it last time. Kinda just fixed itself. Gets stuck on 'Building Avatar'.

[reef drum]

I need to move the arms on the model up, is there a key shortcut or anything? im pretty new to blender for the most part

[tribal cipher]

Pose the arms how you want, then duplicate the armature modifier and apply one of those modifiers. Then apply the armature pose as rest pose (Ctrl+A).

[reef drum]

how move them in the first place?

or better yet how do i pose to move them

[dry ibex]

still having problems with this !! if any1 could help that would be great

[somber sequoia]

not sure you got a reply but yeah, you cannot have a mesh object the same name as one of the humanoid bones. Rename one of them (probably in Blender)

[arctic ginkgo]

is this causing you any issues?

[dry ibex]

Yes i can reply to the video i explained what it was messing up one sec

[dry ibex]

here

[wanton cedar]

Duly noted, thank you

[arctic ginkgo]

I've never ran into this issue before, but my guess is that the error isn't the cause of the issue, but actually a result of it. Something is going wrong with importing the blendshape, so it's not able to generate normals. One of the two settings is likely causing the issue, I would try only fixing one of the errors and not the other to see if that still causes the problem.

Then lmk if the issue is with Read/Write enabled, Legacy Blendshape normals, or both

[reef drum]

i moved them how do I duplicate the modifier?

[arctic ginkgo]

I'm trying to do research into both and I think it's the legacy blendshapes that's causing the issue. Did you happen to create the blendshape on an older version of Blender and since then, update Blender?

[dry ibex]

Ive been using blender 3.6 since forever and it has always worked, this problem only happens sometimes idk, but this problem only starts when i change normals from calculate to import

[dry ibex]

should i turn off legacy blendshapes?

[arctic ginkgo]

no, i think you have to have those on. But I do think I have had this issue now that I looked at your footage again. Your mesh is scaled REALLY large, which makes me think something is off with the scale of your avatar. The root isn't scaled up, so I'm guessing you used the wrong FBX scaling settings when exporting from Blender, which may have caused your blendshapes to lose precision

[tribal cipher]

Under the arrow button there should be duplicate and apply options.

[somber sequoia]

I find I have to export with smoothing set to "face" if you use import

[dry ibex]

is it? i always try to make the scale of my avatars accurate to vrchat height from the thingy

[somber sequoia]

and I don't have legacy blendshape normals on.

[arctic ginkgo]

If you scaled up your avatar in Unity, then you need to scale it back down and then change the scaling in Blender instead.

If you did not scale your avatar in Unity, then you need to export your FBX with "Apply Scalings" set to FBX All. This will break your avatar, so I would reccomend installing Pumkin's Avatar tools so you can drag a new copy of the FBX into the scene and then use the Copy feature to copy any transforms or components you added

[dry ibex]

One sec i trie the smoothing to face thing but i havent tried legacy blendshapes off along with that one sec

[somber sequoia]

Yeah some time around when we upgraded to Unity 2022 and Blender to 4.0+ I found this was the only way things worked properly for me. So I just made a preset for the FBX export and haven't thought about it since 🙂

[dry ibex]

Okay thank you ill try this

[dry ibex]

i exported it with smoothing to faces, applied scaling to fbx all, and legacy blendshapes off and this fixed it!! thank both of you so much!!

[somber sequoia]

Excellent.

[dry ibex]

didnt mean 2 reply mybad but thank you

[somber sequoia]

hey I'm ok with a reply saying "it worked, thanks!" 🙂

[arctic ginkgo]

Awesome!!

[reef drum]

I dont see it

[tribal cipher]

Select your mesh, one of the tabs is Modifiers.

[somber sequoia]

(it's the wrench one)

[reef drum]

im still not seeing it im ngl

[somber sequoia]

are you in object mode? have you selected a mesh object?

[reef drum]

im sorry im still fairly new to blendr

[somber sequoia]

there are many tutorials

[reef drum]

found it

ty ty for the help!

[nocturne radish]

Anyone here know to make a gesture toggle simply tell a particle system to play instead of turning it on and off to play? For context im making a tear gas grenade and want to make the grenade particle system play with fist but dont want the particle to end once i release fist.

[trim trellis]

Hey could I DM you to possibly see if you could help with something?

[somber sequoia]

I don't do private help for free. Use this channel.

[trim trellis]

gotcha

[ember escarp]

How to prevent Blink and look up/down shapekeys when using emotes?

[somber sequoia]

could disable the eye movements using VRC Animator Tracking Control on the gesture state

[ember escarp]

ah im not familiar with that yet, ill look into it

[ember escarp]

Awesome that worked, bit of a hiccup making sure it re enabled after the emote but i figured it out.
Thanks for the pointer!

[somber sequoia]

yep! have to re-enable after

[patent elbow]

Reposting bc I nvr got help :/

[strange saffron]

it's fine inside Unity too?

[raven summit]

hey! asking for a friend, how do you add a different hair onto a model? and can you do it through unity only? or do you have to use blender to add a different hair/hair toggles?

also, if you can only do it through blender how do you prevent having to start over regarding toggles and such?

[signal ice]

Hello, I'm stuck on this one problem that's been reoccurring with the vrchat sdk i don't know what's wrong and its been like 4 hours of me trying to figure out I feel like giving up and just not uploading at all but i dont want to at the same time i am hoping someone could help?

[ebon dirge]

Why is my avatar doing this when I use the gesture manager in play mode?

[somber sequoia]

scroll up and share the first 2-3 error messages, not the last.

[signal ice]

Sorry for the wait. Was doing something.

[somber sequoia]

that's the first one? Weird.

[signal ice]

Hmm I don’t know if it’s the fact that I also have dynamic bones asset and maybe the avatar itself has it and it’s conflicting? Same goes for gesture manager etc

[somber sequoia]

huh also that .Examples directory isn't in mine

wait, dynamic bones? that's long been deprecated

[signal ice]

Oh!

Mb it’s been over a year

Since I last uploaded avatars

[somber sequoia]

Did you upgrade your SDK to the latest?

[signal ice]

Yes I believe 3.10?

[somber sequoia]

okay good

[signal ice]

I don’t really know what people use to upload now so I tried to do some research to grab whatever I could

[somber sequoia]

I've no idea where that .Examples comes from, but I guess you could remove that

[signal ice]

Okay

I've deleted it and im still having a problem

i was looking at the further erros

and it says failed to capture scene or thumbnail and it cant upload cause of that?

something like that i had to reopen my unity

[signal ice]

Nvm now its saying something completely different. If u dont Mind do u know what people use now for uploads instead of my old stuff like the files for sps i heard and etc? just so i can try to restart the project with that stuff

[strange saffron]

also idk if this helps anyone figure out why the face is acting up pls lmk if you can help pinpoint the issue

[somber sequoia]

really have no idea what your "old stuff" is

[left gull]

not sure if you got an answer but check that you're not in prefab view when uploading

the blue background in your screenshot makes me think that's likely the case for it not building/uploading

[patent elbow]

How do I prevent that? That prob would be the case

Im not sure how it works tbfg

Im like not even a week into knowing unity

[left gull]

on the left where it show's your heirarchy you'd press the < arrow beside your models name

[somber sequoia]

other than dynamic bone, most of that doesn't look old. can't comment on one of them though.

[signal ice]

yeah dont mind that i dont really use it its just gesture dynamic and sdk and poi

idek why i got it downloaded anyhow

alright well I'll try to figure something Out

I appreciate the help

ty

[silver egret]

I have 2 sound effect gimmicks for my avatar but when both are enabled at once the other stops working properly? Is there something I can do to fix this?

[patent elbow]

I don’t think i get into that.

[limpid isle]

Hi all.

I've been struggling a TON recently with this model. So in Blender when bending the leg it looks perfectly fine and performs normally, at least to the way I want it to bend/look.

However once it's in Unity I get these really ugly parts of the mesh that won't comply/move at all despite being influenced by the leg normally in blender. The mesh once it's in Unity says it's the same poly count and everything on the imported FBX but it seems like something is just going majorly wrong and I have NO clue what it could be. If anyone could help shine some light on my situation if possible! If you need any more info to help me please let me know, I'd be happy to share everything in order to get this model working again.

Export settings attached as well in case there's something wrong there too. Everything is applied transforms wise, and the scale is 1.0 in blender so no scaling issue either.

[ember escarp]

Anyone know what i might be doing wrong with an animation clip?
I have an action ive exported with my fbx from blender into unity, and in the inspector's animation tab i can view the action is working there but duplicating the anim clip from my fbx so i can edit it i can see theres no relevant keyframes to the actual animation and it no longer works at all.
how do i edit an action from blender as an animation in unity?

[sly orbit]

back with my silly issues from last night
in unity, i swapped my materials on different elements
but in play mode and in game, it changes the materials back
(in this case, making the piercings skin colored)

[somber sequoia]

vrchat only supports 4 weights per vertex though.

[somber sequoia]

if it changes in play mode, that's because an animation is doing it

[sly orbit]

AH! thank you! lemme look

first try 🤦‍♀️ thank you so much

[limpid isle]

I hate that you're right lmao

[somber sequoia]

me too

[limpid isle]

BUT it did help me at least figure out that I think I need to just remove weight paint from the bones I don't use.. Because if I just remove the bones then it'll result in having to carry over everything from one model to another and I can't just replace the fbx..

And if I have to do that entire process tonight I'll lose it

[somber sequoia]

why can't you replace the fbx?

[limpid isle]

Changing even a single bone has always messed it up for me.

[somber sequoia]

hmm

[limpid isle]

Removing one, adding one, anything like that. It's mostly because I unpacked the model's prefab

So I shot myself in the foot somewhat early. So everything's gotta be pretty same-y

[somber sequoia]

ohhhh

yeah don't unpack.

[arctic ginkgo]

Pumkin's Avatar tools may rescue you. Drag your fbx into the scene and use it to copy all components and transforms from the old version to the new version

[limpid isle]

Oh? I'll look into that, thank you!

[dense raptor]

Hey! I fixxed this isue! Inface anyone else has ever ran into similar issues. In Blender i simply seperated the mesh and moved it to be a little further away from the belly, and it resolved the issue!

[slender lake]

Heyo, I keep running into the Problem of the arms defaulting into this position. I seem to be unable to figure out if that is a problem with a) my bone layout ir proportions; b) model proportions; c) weight painting (somehow?); d) something in unity (like humanoid bone selection musshap or something); or something completely different.

I would like to add that it worked between versions and it broke when updating the textures. I do not know what was different.

[strange saffron]

asking again for help! My model looks fine both in Unity and Blender (ignoring the eyes because CATS), but the mouth is very not right in VRC even though everything seems to check out in the other aforementioned programs

[tough rivet]

How to make a toggle in fury for audiolink?

[errant comet]

#avatar-help message

[dawn oak]

whatever gloves for this basei put on it it never fits even with the shrinks

in playmode it never matches as well

[tough rivet]

@errant comet I don't get how to make audiolink effect toggle on or off while still keeping the clothing/model.

[ornate stump]

Making effect toggle shouldn't affect the clothing toggle to begin with.

[frigid glade]

I can’t tell what the problem is?? Does the visemes just not work in vrc??

[junior void]

Show us the visemes setup in the avatar descriptor

[austere dome]

Why would this not be working? The sound player plays the playonawake sound but does not receive any sound events it seems from this.

The path is correct.

[balmy barn]

0 wont do much you need to exit out of the state and back to it to get a different number , my setups for these tend to be 0 for next audio

[unborn lichen]

hi guys how i can fix this pose ? my avatar usually was in A pose and now is stucked in this strange position

[austere dome]

Appreciated @balmy barn

[sleek ember]

When I optimized my avatar with the d4rk avatar Optimizer it just made my entire thing invisible, and removed every triangle from it, is there a easy fix to this?
cause i do wanna use this avatar on my quest
when i used it on another avatar everything went fine but now its not working

[sleek ember]

ok i fixed the issue
it was just that i needed to use the VRCfury optimizer instead

[unborn lichen]

anyone who can help me with my issue ? i really dont know how that happened and how to fix

[somber sequoia]

which issue?

[unborn lichen]

i have a biker pose on my avi, it randomly appeared, i dont know how to deal with that

usually my avi have an A pose

[somber sequoia]

You probably left it in that pose after making an animation. Pumkin's Tools has an easy way to reset it.

[unborn lichen]

the only animation ive created it was for a single note key and ive slected precisely the bone of that key to simply rotate, nothing else, but i will try with pumpkin tools

[somber sequoia]

right but if you didn't select a different animation to reset the avatar pose after you were done making that one, that's probably the reason it got stuck in bike pose

[unborn lichen]

oh i see, with pumpkin worked, thanks for the help ^^

[somber sequoia]

np!

[solid axle]

hum, i dont know what is this error someone can help me :<

[somber sequoia]

looks like you're in safe mode. Don't be in safe mode.

[solid axle]

but i can't upload with this error :<

[digital cairn]

What troubleshooting steps should I take if something on my avatar functions in the gesture manager but not in game?

[unborn lichen]

there is anyway to stop vrcfury to override my controller ? when i go in play mode in the animator ---> controller ---> i see this: vrcfury copied from "name controller"

[balmy barn]

disable it from running in play mode , setting for it - but thats vrcfury for you if you using it will add and change your controllers

[unborn lichen]

even to item who have their own ? my piano have a new controller and no fury component on him, im honestly just using fury on my avi for go loco, there is now way to set up fury to not touch my piano controller ?

[somber sequoia]

this is the whole point of what VRCFury does

[unborn lichen]

oh but i cannot even tell to fury " hey you can do this on my avi controller but leave alone my piano controller "

[somber sequoia]

no, because that doesn't make any sense. there can be only one FX controller, it has to combine things at build time in order to work.

[balmy barn]

reason i dont use vrcfury , it also likes to remove animations in states it think arent doing anything ( sometime i use a ignore anim to stop a state from forever looping but it has a mesh/shapkey/ect that doesnt exsist )

[unborn lichen]

not referring to fx but the animator controller

[somber sequoia]

the alternative is to not use fury and to do that combining stuff manually to install gogo loco

[somber sequoia]

that is the animation controller in question

Fury will do this processing on all of the controllers on your avatar.

[unborn lichen]

in a single one ?

[somber sequoia]

... unless you did something really strange by having another animator on an object?

[unborn lichen]

welp thats my main thing, im trying to set up an animation on my note keys, it only triggers thanks to vrc contact receiver

[somber sequoia]

okay.... I'm not really sure where you're going with that statement

[unborn lichen]

i have to create a controller and relative animato component on the piano to allow this to happen, and it works, i just need to understand if the reciever works properly on vrc but here is where fury gives me problems

[somber sequoia]

fury has nothing to do with this.

I mean, at runtime it does but it doesn't prevent you from creating an animation controller normally

[ancient adder]

if youre so concerned about vrcf causing issues, there is a modular avatar version of gogoloco

[somber sequoia]

then you put it into one of the playable layers slots (probably FX) on your avatar descriptor:
https://creators.vrchat.com/avatars/playable-layers

[unborn lichen]

never heard about, first time right from you, how it works?

[somber sequoia]

modular is another whole can of worms though

[balmy barn]

another thing i dont use, tried it abit but meh

[ornate stump]

modular avatar also does preprocessing on animator, the same way as vrcfury does.

[unborn lichen]

you are referring to the layers ive created and the relative para ?

[ancient adder]

tends to touch things a bit less though

doesnt go off on its own

[somber sequoia]

I'm not sure what "layers" you are referring to but I encourage you to read that entire page if you haven't already.

[ancient adder]

i think what you need to do is merge the animation controller for the piano into the fx controller of your avi

[somber sequoia]

Oh - yeah if that's what is going in, the piano stuff should all be in the FX animator used in your avatar descriptor.

(VRLabs' Avatars 3.0 Manager can be used to easily merge animation controllers)

[unborn lichen]

i honestly dont know, for now because ive not found nobody who can help me truly, i just tried again to follow some steps from some Ai assistant, also to understand what was the point where i was failing and having problems,. claude suggested me to create layers and para for each bone ( the keys) i dont even know if is the right way honestly dont judge me, i just wanna achieve something and having lacks of the proper knowledge doesnt help, so in some sorta of way im trying to idk lets say "learn" how to do what i have in mind, but i guess, im not doing the things right idk

[somber sequoia]

So, pro tip: don't use Claude.

[unborn lichen]

yeah good point, problem is, if i dont use claude or relatives i cannot do anything because i dont know how to do what i have in mind, i dont even know if is possible to do, is easy, difficult

[ancient adder]

claude doesnt have enough knowledge on the specific quirks of vrc so its not too helpful

[unborn lichen]

welp this is more related to unity than vrc itself, is about a program i dont have enough knowledge to actually know how to do some stuff

[somber sequoia]

this channel is good for that, and also if you haven't already, the site I just linked is a wealth of information.

As are the Unity docs.

[ancient adder]

to merge controllers into FX using AV3 Manager

[unborn lichen]

ive read that but those are generic info, for specific type of projects or ideas you still need to have the proper experience of the program itself, experience i dont properly have, and if im correct when ive asked help here regarding what i was wondering to achieve, ive not received a lot of answers, some people even told me was not properly possible, so because i dont like in general to lose time, if this is a thing not possible to set up, i will just drop, but if is possible to realize, i will truly appreciate some good and genuine help to set up what i need, i dont care about the amount of time i need but i just need the proper guide to be directed, rn i feel like im lost following wrong directions.

[ancient adder]

ok first i think you might have a bit of a misunderstanding of how vrcfury works

[somber sequoia]

your piano thing is entirely possible.

[ancient adder]

it basically takes your current animation controller, makes a copy of it, adds things that use the vrcfury components to that copy (gogoloco in this case), then applies the new controller to the avatar before upload

in your case you have a seperate animation controller for the piano, but this doesnt work in VRChat, as VRC can only work with one animator per avatar that is automatically generated by the avatar descriptor

[unborn lichen]

okay another thing i wasnt aware

[ancient adder]

VRC has 5 Base animation layers: Base, Additive, Gesture, Action, and FX

[unborn lichen]

yeah i remember that

[ancient adder]

when messing with objects, all animations must be on the FX layer

in order for the piano controller to work, you have to merge the layers in the piano controller into the 4nki FX controller

you can do this permanently with AV3 manager, or at runtime using modular avatar or VRCFury

[unborn lichen]

for a person like me is possible without any help ? because i truly think alone i cannot, i dont know where to touch yet, because im not able to proper follow precise and right instructions, until now ive just followed ai instrunctions

[somber sequoia]

I don't know you, so I can't comment on your abilities, but all of us have started from zero information and the available documentation, so probably you can too.

[unborn lichen]

the point here is, because i don know what the ai telled me was true or not, if i tell you what ive done until now, you can tell me if ive done a mistake or the instructions was fine ?

[wispy spear]

No matter how much I move the eye position on my avatar it ends up in the middle of the head on vrchat, any way to fix this?

[ancient adder]

to merge

[somber sequoia]

Assume the AI is lying unless you know otherwise.

[unborn lichen]

i dont know how to use unity, like i know how to load avatars and fix some stuff like textures and minor problems but with stuff like the one for the piano im totally lost

[somber sequoia]

luckily there is documentation and tutorial videos, and places such as this.

[unborn lichen]

they take info from the net so idk genuinely if everything they told me is worng or not and this is why im asking here

[somber sequoia]

Doesn't mean they "take" correct info.

[ancient adder]

are you able to call/screenshare? i could guide you through it a bit faster if so

[unborn lichen]

tutorial are fine for generic stuff like: how to place a prop in a world, how to create a toggle,etc,, for specific scenarios i can assure you ive not found anything relevant

[unborn lichen]

of course im able, this is what ive done with the ai, screenshot and followed the instructions, i can share here if you need, no problem, i will just apologize for the multople pings

[somber sequoia]

yes, because you will never find a tutorial to match your very specific situation exactly. You'll have to do some inference yourself, based on knowledge gained from things like generic tutorials and documentation.

[unborn lichen]

yeah thats true

[ancient adder]

vrc discord has no voice channels so it would have to be dm call

[arctic ginkgo]

I don't like AI much, but if you're going to ask an AI for help with VRChat content creation, you should try #1149075823593275504 instead. It has been trained on the VRChat documentation

[wispy spear]

?

[unborn lichen]

we can also direct dm each other and i can send the screenshots when you need

[somber sequoia]

do you mean the view position in the avatar descriptor?

[wispy spear]

Yes

[unborn lichen]

i think im done with that, enough time losed following their instructions

[somber sequoia]

do you have a camera on your avatar or something? weird scaling?

[wispy spear]

Not to my knowledge, no

I haven't scaled anything either

[somber sequoia]

hmm, not sure what else to check, haven't really had any weird issues with mine.

[wispy spear]

Alright, thank you though

[raven summit]

bumping this since I didn't get an answer yesterday

[somber sequoia]

unfortunately there's no single clear answer. What do you have? a model? a unitypackage? a VRCFury prefab?

[raven summit]

I'll ask them

[formal badger]

does anyone know how to move the finger colliders?

trying to adjust them more to the different hand size so the interactions aren't as wonky

[strange saffron]

#avatar-help message

[somber sequoia]

that is exactly how

oh you mean position

[formal badger]

Yeah

I can move the hand but none of the: ring,little,index,middle move in anyway I can only change their shape

[somber sequoia]

If you click the 3-dots at the upper-right of that inspector and switch it to debug, you can do it there. the settings should be preserved, even if you can't see them in normal mode.

My friend and I played with this a bit via a build-time script, so I think it'd work to edit via debug mode

might not though.

they do tend to be on the bones, so if your bones are weird, it might make the colliders weird

[formal badger]

I'll at least give it a go

it either works or I have to get adjusted to where the actual colliders are

[somber sequoia]

yeah looking at those in the avatar I happen to have open in Unity, mine seem right on the bones already - are your bones weird?

[formal badger]

I tried shaping them differently while looking for a way to move them

[somber sequoia]

you don't usually want to be moving/resizing them in unity

[formal badger]

I have next to no blender knowledge so it was either that or nothing

actually would it fully matter where the fingers are?

if I want to interact with someone wouldn't the hand collider be the only one that matters the most?

[somber sequoia]

it depends on what interaction you are doing

physbones respond to hands and fingers, contact receivers can watch for fingers specifically

[formal badger]

I'll try and mess with it a bit but not too much, at least with the hand one since I cannot move fingers at all

[cobalt cloak]

can i do heart particle on the quest version

[somber osprey]

how do I make the invisible objects remain invisible in the game mode?

[somber sequoia]

how did you make it invisible?

[somber osprey]

clicking the eye icon

[spice ruin]

w username ;)

[somber sequoia]

yeah that's only for the editor. If you check the checkbox in the upper left of the inspector when clicked on the item, that'll enable/disable it

but that could come with caveats 🙂

like you probably don't want to be disabling your armature

[somber osprey]

okay. my goal is to see which blendshapes or expression is being used here

but I cna't tell from this vrcmenu and parameter to know which animation state is being used?

[somber sequoia]

Correct, you'd have to find where that parameter is used in the animator.

[somber osprey]

...and how do I know that?

[somber sequoia]

you could search exhaustively, or maybe text-search the animation controller (it's just a YAML file), or you could test this out in play mode with an emulator tool like AV3 Emulator or Gesture Manager, change the parameter, and watch what happens in various layers in the FX animator

[river jewel]

I now got 2 issues on an avatr I am fine tuning AND YEA I SAY THAT COZ IG OT ME SUM NEW PREFABS *and at the time I didnt know how to make a prefab BUT ANYWAYS imma just spill about these 2 little dillemas now :')

[somber osprey]

I have gesture manager enabled

but idk how that can tell me what is being used what

[somber sequoia]

You can watch the animator and see the state change when you activate the menu item.

[somber osprey]

how?

cause doing that I don't see any changes

[somber sequoia]

I don't really use gesture manager, I use AV3 emulator, but I can put that in the inspector, then have the animator open at the same time, and watch its state while changing stuff in the radial menu.

[spice ruin]

i gotchu one sec

[somber sequoia]

pretty much like that, yes.

[somber osprey]

....I don't see any changes?

[spice ruin]

oops mkv

oh you got it anyway

[somber sequoia]

not sure why that animator isn't updating, mine does

[spice ruin]

seems like it's animating the face though

[somber osprey]

So....did I brick this project?

[spice ruin]

the animator window isn't updating but the avatar model is?

[somber osprey]

do you know why that is?

[somber sequoia]

no such thing

[spice ruin]

seems like it's "working"

[river jewel]

1. tried to use a float parameter coz I didnt want another nekkid incident like last time, went about it with toggles, but then now that I made a submenu, for whatever unfathomable reasons it always dumps me right back to the center of the expressions menu

2. tried to add a root bone to some outfits on avi coz well, they didnt have root bones anymore the moment I merged those suckers in blender (cough cough CATS), but then somehow, no matter what I did, even using Apply Transforms, those physbones may have worked in blender but unity barely even recognises them at all the moment I added the physbone component

so :')

yea

bummerrrrrrr

[somber osprey]

So....what is my next option then?

[spice ruin]

Are you wanting to change any of the animations?

If not, it seems like the expressions change when you want, so I’d say upload it and test it out ingame

[somber osprey]

I want to see which gesture controls which animation

cause I want to modify some of it

it already came like this, so I'm trying to "reverse engineer" it

[spice ruin]

ahh okay

If you click on the objects in the animation panel and look in inspector, you can see the animation clip they’re triggering

seems like you have clips for both left and right hand, since you have both “fist1” and “fist2,” etc

Otherwise in the gesture manager if you click on the gestures like you were doing and match them to the expression, that’s another way

Right now it just seems like the animator isn’t updating in real time (which i honestly suck at the animator thing, half the time i don’t know what’s going on)

[wispy walrus]

Yoo, so uhhh i uploaded and edited this and the avi is kinda messed up, ( It came messed up, i even tried uploading the base one ) but how do i fix this twins?

[final kiln]

can anyone help me i dont really know unity shit and im tryna upload a avi and idk what this means lol

[somber sequoia]

unless these are the only 3 errors, post the first (at the top) 2-3 instead.
If they are, show the stats in the build window, above where you clicked "build and publish"

[final kiln]

nvm i got it lol

[round comet]

How do people make their expressions not overlap?

I know you can make one hand take priority over the other or something like that

[somber sequoia]

when I still used these, I ended up putting all of mine in the same layer..

[indigo compass]

Some creators make the expressions in such a way that overlapping gestures create extra expressions.
Friends of mine have generally just made it so only one hand's gestures changes the expression, easy enough to do in the animator, wherever the creator decided to put the expressions.

[round comet]

Ohh yeah, heard of that

[wispy walrus]

Uhh, can i get help please?

[somber sequoia]

really can't tell you much from that pic, does it look right in Unity?

[wispy walrus]

Yeah?

[heavy zephyr]

If your submenu sets a parameter when opened, that parameter shouldn't be set back to 0 while you are in said submenu or that while forcefully close it.

[wispy walrus]

Everything looks perfect, i just dont know why it does that

[somber osprey]

yeah but there's soo many clips. that's the problem

I don't wanna do that

[somber sequoia]

yeah there's not really a better way to find it

[somber osprey]

So.....what do I do?

cause there's something that the model is doing that isn't done through blendshape

[stuck wadi]

yo how do i make a physbone able to be picked up and float?

[somber sequoia]

you mean other than what we've suggested so far?

[somber osprey]

oh the AV3 emulator. alright hang on

[somber sequoia]

I don't think that'll do much different than Gesture Manager, I just prefer the way it works.

[somber osprey]

then what did you suggest that I missed?

[somber sequoia]

I don't know what you missed, but you can scroll up and re-read to be sure

[somber osprey]

any idea why nothing is happening when I press preview?

I think this is supposed to be a blush but it uses textures

[balmy barn]

your animator is 'broken' where is your avatar

[somber osprey]

Oh. right, i was told to remove it so the whole body doesn't go down when previewing

[somber sequoia]

ohh that's an issue

whoever told you that was incorrect, you should definitely not do that

[somber osprey]

this is on the duplicated model by the way. not on the original

[somber sequoia]

oh, I don't do the duplicating thing, interesting.

[somber osprey]

I was told you always do incase you make a mistake

have one to keep its original
have a 2nd one to mess around with

[somber sequoia]

many people say many things. Some of those things are good advice.

[somber osprey]

okay doing that. I still don't see a difference

[somber osprey]

so how do you prevent the avi model suddenly going down when clicking "preview?"

[somber sequoia]

why would I?

[somber osprey]

to see the before and after?

[somber sequoia]

I don't find the bike pose affects much that I do, I guess.

[somber osprey]

like i move the camera close up to the face to see if any changes happen on the face

but if I press preview, the avi suddenly went down and now I have to move down to see it

or are you not getting it

[somber sequoia]

Sure, my avatar moves into "bike pose" in this case

[somber osprey]

I'll have to come back to this later cause this is too confusing

or I might have to do this all over again cause the animator is broken

[sudden dawn]

Help pls

what does this mean </3

[somber sequoia]

you need a Animator component on the avatar root.

Maybe you didn't do the humanoid rig setup?

[sudden dawn]

shit ur right I dont think I did that </3 I hate it when I do that

I taught myself the non lazy way of toggles for no reason :D YAY!
Atleast I know now LMAO

[crude pumice]

Modular assembler my friend.

So easy to make avatars these days compared to the past.

Back then we had to do everything in blender

All toggles and stuff had to be manual

[somber sequoia]

sounds like present day to me 🙂

[sudden dawn]

oh goodness not blender

[digital cairn]

What troubleshooting steps should I take if something on my avatar functions in the gesture manager but not in game?

[strange saffron]

update (it's fixed! sort of):
I redid everything and it looks fine most of the time now except for when I try closing my mouth and pouting, but did not make basis 1:1 with the silent shapekey (which is probably causing the issues) [Vroid has a different shapekey for mouth close vs. mouth neutral vs. basis]

[merry sigil]

Hey I have a kinda complicated question.
I'm not an art guy and I have extremely basic knowledge of Blender, but I have this idea of creating a character that can be modified with possible mesh swaps, for example a robot arm or really tall legs. Now the issue is that these mesh swaps can be longer or shorter than the original mesh being replaced, so bone pivots such as the elbow or knee would no longer match up. For the sake of my sanity, in blender and Unity the rig / armature would be the same and animations would be able to get simply reused across the multiple different mesh swap matchups. I did a bit of research and there's two options that I found feasible

• Blend shapes, even though I have no idea how they work and from my understanding and research it does NOT modify the skeleton.
• Modifying the Mesh bindposes directly https://docs.unity3d.com/6000.0/Documentation/ScriptReference/Mesh-bindposes.html This is essentially modifying the "default" position of the bones to a new position through code.

If anybody has any references I could look into, I'd appreciate that as well, as I do not know of a single example whatsoever. Unsure if this should go into #avatar-dynamics or #avatar-rigging

[balmy barn]

arms pretty easy, toggle mesh off/uv swap it away - enable other have it use rotation constraint to copy the actual bones

legs and especially changing height id avoid, but same is fine

[merry sigil]

That works and is straightforward because the mesh being replaced with is pretty much the same length, but the issue I'm trying to find the solution to is when the lengths do not match

Like the mesh does not have any data, aside of weight paints, it's simply a mesh being put over the default avatar armature

Because the lengths do not match the elbow and the hand will be in different positions as expected, and that's bad

[somber sequoia]

there's a point where your parts swap is so much that you should just swap avatars

[bold widget]

so i have missing particles in game and im trying to fix that in untiy and idk how to do that and im struggling so how can i fix that

[somber sequoia]

you'll need to give us a lot more to go on

[bold widget]

ok so im using skyrims magic and when its in unity the effects work but when im in game they do not show up

[somber sequoia]

is that an add-on package or something?

[bold widget]

yes its a prefab

[somber sequoia]

ah ok. No idea without a deep dive, have you asked the creator?

[bold widget]

no

idk any

[somber sequoia]

no I mean the one who made the package

[bold widget]

skaley

[stuck wadi]

how do i make and grab a physbone on a droped object and it will in my hand

[gentle iris]

i have a shooting prefab, how would i have it work with the gun?

[somber sequoia]

is there a specific reason you want that to be a physbone? I'd just do this with a contact receiver and a parent constraint

or like, use one of the prefabs out there for this, like the one from That Fat Kid's Mom

[stuck wadi]

i want others to be able to grab it and for it to return when someone grabs it

[somber sequoia]

still works with contacts too

[stuck wadi]

?

[somber sequoia]

do you need me to clarify some part of that statement?

[stuck wadi]

yeah (im newer to contacts and constraints)

[somber sequoia]

Now that I'm thinking about it, you do need a physbone component to detect someone else grabbing it - I'd just use one of those prefabs.

#creator-companion might be a better place to ask

[crystal nacelle]

Ok

[digital cairn]

I have physbones that are moving in Unity gesture manager but not in game. Could use some help.

[somber sequoia]

is there a warning in your build window saying you have too many and so they'll be removed?

[digital cairn]

I shouldn't... It's a pc only avatar

Yeah no, its not saying that

I mean the boxes suggest that I remove some, but it doesn't outright say that they will be removed

[placid mica]

Ive been having a problem these past few days where my Packages folder doesnt actually show all of the packages I have imported. For example, I have GoGo imported through VCC but it wont show as a package, only these 4. How can I fix this?

[gray gazelle]

Hi guys, i want to know if i make a Float toggle and it is like forsay a T-shirt, and do material swaps with a blendshape, when i turn off the t-shirt can the material reset to normal and not keep the blendshape on, im using a fx layer and manually doing it. unless vrcfury offers it

[somber sequoia]

eyeball in the upper right of that window

[placid mica]

Oh my god, thank you! I must have hit it on accident.

[digital cairn]

Still looking for help on this

[reef kraken]

how would i make a animation from triggering when making a fist to triggering when i do a fist then pull the trigger in?

[cinder dew]

So... I am looking for a way to make my fursona into an VRChat Avatar

(Artwork done by DragonFoxJun btw!)

[burnt nova]

Hihi, I need some help. I had a plan for how I wanted this avatar’s toggles to work, and now I don’t know how to go about it. I have three outfits, and I wanted a menu for each outfit 1, 2, and 3. Then you go into the folder and toggle on the outfit, but also swap out things like socks for other socks. Kind of like this layout i sent in the pic above the outfit first, then the different options.
But I don’t know how to make a toggle in VRCFury where I can toggle on everything, and also have individual toggles to turn stuff on and off. I was thinking of making everything its own toggle and then having one toggle that turns everything on. I’ve seen that on other avatars, but I don’t know how to achieve it. please help (◞‸ ◟)💧

[umbral oriole]

realisticly you have 3 options

1. use an existing avatar and retexture and add clothes to make it look like your oc

2. sculpt a head and body base to your liking and add the assets you need as well creating the textures

3. make it completely from scratch

1 is the cheapest option you can check jinxxy for avatars that look similar to what you want and maybe even commission someone to put it together for you

3 is the most time consuming and expensive method if you want to commision someone to do it

[burnt nova]

i would recommend going on jinxxy or something and just look because they have lots of avatars like this buy one then add the clothes and skin color and stuff you want its pretty simple and there loads of tutorials

[uneven whale]

Hi everyone. I'm working on my Android version of an avatar. I'm using Toon Standard shaders and want to simulate glitter, like some avatars with Liltoon/Poiyomi shaders, but I understand I'll need to use regular textures. I was recently told that you can randomize the glitter using a normal map. But I still don't understand it. Could you please explain how?

[tulip radish]

Hello, I’ve connected the bones to my rigged asset to the matching base and for some reason the bones don’t get assigned correctly and are under the wrong places. What am I doing wrong? It’s an egirl rigged asset, I connect the bones to the egirl base and they don’t alone correctly and then the bones of the base don’t work after too.

[ornate stump]

What are the wrong places for example?

[ornate stump]

Normal map is for altering surface normal which affects how light get calculate, this also affect matcap angle. So you likely have to use noise normal map texture and enable mapcap.

[teal laurel]

Try looking into the flipbook builder.
I use it to swap between different clothing sets or materials. They won't bw labeled, but it will be a clean and compact way of doing it.
This way you can swap between your different boots, pants, top clothing or any other accessories.
For stuff that doesn't have multiple variants, i just suggest using a single toggle which you can hit.

If you need help with creating a toggle, youtube should have good tutorials with vrcfury on how to do so, or read their documentation

[teal laurel]

cute :3

[boreal wolf]

Does anyone know how to stop unity from freezing on this? My friend tries to upload stuff but it keeps freezing here

[loud shard]

would someone with experience creating and adding custom animations to avatars be willing to help me troubleshoot? I'm at a point where google isn't helping anymore

[dawn oak]

the automatic constaint convertion options not showing up for my friend

[ornate stump]

Make sure to use up to date sdk version.

[ornate stump]

You should describe your issue. Also what you had already done to try to fixed.

[loud shard]

Hard to summarise it but I'll do my best
I made a custom animation for the hands in blender which I want to use on my avi with a toggle
I have followed a tutorial as closely as I could with adding it through vrcfury
I have the animation tree working as intended but instead of playing the animation, it just poses part of the armature (incorrectly) and gets stuck
The animation does work if I test it through gesture manager, but it puts the rest of the avi in a T-pose
VRCfury would mask the animation so it only affects the hands but I haven't got it to play the animation correctly

[ornate stump]

Which tutorial you watched?

[dawn oak]

it is, it worked yesterday when we did it but we had to reset it to fix smth

[loud shard]

https://youtu.be/1pFHpKBbnQ0?list=PLClmgoZ3QRWDsFQmVOPQbvIhlj4zY6SZK

pretty sure this was the one

it's been a while and I'm tryna pick up where I left off but I was genuinely out of ideas

[ornate stump]

This one doesn't even involve vrcfury. If you want to follow this one then you shouldn't use vrcfury in the process.

[loud shard]

oh yeah I misremembered a little, it doesn't use vrcfury but I had issues troubleshooting because of vrcfury, I meant the animation trees

vrc fury remakes everything so it was a pain to find the copy of the animation tree it made every time, I don't think that's the problem tho

[dawn oak]

were stuck on what to do bc its just not showing up whatever we try and its updated

[ornate stump]

If you meant the unsupported shader, make sure that you change shader in every material to anything that's supported for android.

[dawn oak]

no im talknig abt the automatic constain convertion option

it showed up yesterday

[ornate stump]

If you did Autofix, it wouldn't show up anymore.

[dawn oak]

how to get it to show up again we had to re-add the old version bc something was broken

[ornate stump]

Are you sure that there are still legacy constraints in your avatar?

[dawn oak]

yes im very sure there are a lot in there

how to get the option to show again if you previously auto fixed it

[ornate stump]

There is a menu VRChat SDK > Utilities that can be used for converting constraints.

[dawn oak]

tysm!!!

[ornate stump]

You could make a new model without any vrcfury component in purpose for setup the animation. Vrcfury doesn't run if there is none of its component on the avatar.

[loud shard]

I did start to set that up, I'll try that again and let you know if it changes anything

[loud shard]

didn't change anything

[ornate stump]

As in vrcfury still does preprocess the animator controller?

[loud shard]

Disabled VRCfury and it didn't fix it

[ornate stump]

You said animation is for hand, is it just the hand or entire arm?

[loud shard]

Just the hand

I got it to the point where the legs move correctly but the arms get stuck

[ornate stump]

If it's just the hand then you should put the animation in Gesture layer.

[loud shard]

I did just try that and it changed nothing

sighh

[ornate stump]

It has to be in gesture layer. And I still don't know what else you had already done correctly. How did you put the animation into the gesture layer?

[loud shard]

I moved the tree I had to a new animation controller attached to the gesture layer

changed a few settings, readded the param

[ornate stump]

What do you have in that tree?

[loud shard]

base state, buffer, actual anim, reset buffer

[ornate stump]

Since it's in gesture layer now, did you add layer mask to it?

[loud shard]

I tried two different methods

the layer mask broke the entire animation

this one didn't seem to do anything regardless of settings

[ornate stump]

Can you confirm that the state got transitioned correctly?

[loud shard]

Yes, it does

[ornate stump]

Can you screenshot the layer list in the gesture layer?

[ornate stump]

The base layer also requires mask.

[loud shard]

I fuckin had itttt

That worked but only on the bare bones version

the main copy is still broken

vrc fury is breaking it somehow

[ornate stump]

Are you using the same animator controller in gesture layer?

[loud shard]

Yes

VRCfury makes unique copies of every layer's mask

so they don't match anymore but they should still be functionally identical

[merry sigil]

Well I am asking to avoid that
If I do that. I'd have to manage a different rig/model for mixing and matching every possibility, like leg replacement, leg + both arms, leg + just one arm, arms but no legs, etc

The idea potentially also supports different range heights instead of just forced, standard ones

Kinda like a height slider but instead of scaling the entire model you scale up the length of the legs

Tall and slender

[tulip radish]

For example, the dress when I connect the armature to the base it doubles some of them or it places the hips in the head armature or if I add more assets it does the same thing. The assets are rigged to the egirl base so I’m not sure

[ornate stump]

"EGirl" is more like a subcategory of a body base, not actual the body base. It still more like the asset isn't made for base you're using.

[tulip radish]

Not sure what you mean :/

[ornate stump]

"EGirl" is not a base.

[ruby summit]

for some reason my avatar's eyes are looking to the inside

i already checked the avatar descriptor, bone rotatrion etc

[tulip radish]

? What you mean?

[ruby summit]

E-girl its just a style, like an aesthetic, not an actual part of an avatar

[ornate stump]

Each body base has its own shape and rig, so the asset you get, if it isn't specifically made for the base, you can't use the asset as it is.

[tulip radish]

The asset is rigged for the body base. So I merged the bones bones and I still get issues.

[ruby summit]

btw when playing using the gesture manager, the eyes look to the top

[ornate stump]

How did you merge bone?

[ornate stump]

You should check the eye look setting in avatar descriptor.

[tulip radish]

Using CATs to merge the bones

[ornate stump]

Did you check in pose mode whether the merge has been done correctly?

[ruby summit]

i already did, i checked all 3

[ornate stump]

What 3?

[tulip radish]

It moves in pose mode perfectly fine but when I check ther armatures list there’s either 2 of the same armoire bones or some armature bones are not in the correct place and when I transport it to unity and add the phones to the body they never work.

[ruby summit]

avatar descriptor eye look, bone rotation and any other asset bothering

[ornate stump]

You should have only one armature object in blender.

[tulip radish]

I’ve also taken the armature off the asset and have added it to the base and when I use it in pose mode it never works either

[ornate stump]

I'm confused you said it works fine earlier and now it doesn't?

[ornate stump]

Also check in rig configuration and make sure there is no eye bones assigned.

[tulip radish]

The body base is egirl base. The asset is already rigged to the egirl base. I merge the assets armature to the base armature and it assigns it in the wrong places and when I transfer it to unity the physics of the body never works.

I delete the armature the asset has and connect it to the base, it doesn’t work in pose mode.

[ruby summit]

just deleted the bones from the rig area and still

[ornate stump]

If you disabled eye look, does it still do that?

[ruby summit]

yes

[ornate stump]

"E-girl" isn't a base as I and another person said before. If you see the bone name doesn't match between the base and the asset, that means the asset isn't made for the base you're using.

[ornate stump]

Can you still rotate the eye bone when in play mode?

[ruby summit]

no

[ornate stump]

That means some animation is controlling the eyes.

[tulip radish]

Then how do I get it to work?

[ruby summit]

might be gogoloco?

[ornate stump]

Gogoloco only controls humanoid bones.

[ornate stump]

Make sure that you rename the bones in the asset to match with the base.