avatar-help

[night ember]

didnt import what you need

[sturdy prawn]

what do i need?

[night ember]

vrcfury

[sturdy prawn]

oh

[sturdy prawn]

lmao

[night ember]

tells you in the name of it and on the goloco page

[sturdy prawn]

mb i thought my friend alr had it

[night ember]

usually assets will tell you requirements

[balmy barn]

id parent tail to avatar , to hide just set its bone to 0 and disable physbone

[rare jacinth]

Ok I know how to do the first part. Where would I be able to do the second part?

[night ember]

unity

[rare jacinth]

Ah gotcha

[sturdy prawn]

why cant i upload to android?

[timber wharf]

@sturdy prawn #avatar-help message

[limpid cargo]

what could be causing this wrist bend? i'm using Chocolat as base
i am using twist bones, but i dont know if that is the cause, simply because the other wrist is fine.
fixed: twist bone wasnt locked to Y axis

[sturdy prawn]

that didnt work

[night ember]

but thats literally how you download the android build sdk

[gaunt knoll]

scam incoming

xD

[gaunt knoll]

reset your pc this happened to me

[toxic panther]

idk whats going on with my modal-
in blender all the bones are correct and attached to each other in the right way
when i try to configure it tells me the modle isint in a T pose so i unforce the T pose and still nothing works,animations wont work on the modal

[robust bison]

My texture won't work is that bad?

[grave iron]

Anyone good with unity issues, I used to be able to upload Avis with no issues then this problem kept appearing and I can’t do any sort of unity things

[somber osprey]

Why is there no texture?

I exported as fbx

[gaunt knoll]

you didnt export it with the texture

not really recommended that you do that tho.
better off just downloading the textures from blender and putting them on

[somber osprey]

I didn't see any texture options in the export settings

[gaunt knoll]

its called path mode and chance it to copy

[sturdy prawn]

okay anytime i look up anyhing about downloading the android support it says unity hub not vcc

[gaunt knoll]

yes you can download it from unity hub or unity doesnt really matter

[sturdy prawn]

i need it on vcc

[gaunt knoll]

why

you can download it in there

[sturdy prawn]

to upload on vrc

okay i alr have it on unity hub and its not working

[gaunt knoll]

sorry but you seem to think that where trying to tell you how to download something.
and you think its not going to work with vrc sdk?

CC is just a place for the sdk's as android support isnt frp, sdk but its from core unity

[sturdy prawn]

it IS not working with the vrc sdk

[sturdy prawn]

...

[gaunt knoll]

as there is not way to add it to the sdk

if you have it downloaded you need to restart your pc

[grave iron]

Perhaps the android module isn’t installed in the unity version.

[gaunt knoll]

this happened to me the other month

[grave iron]

I’ve been having unity issues. A lot

[sturdy prawn]

see android

i downloaded it 3 days ago

[gaunt knoll]

Did you restart your pc like i said

[sturdy prawn]

multaple times

ima just update my pc hold on

[gaunt knoll]

then open up unity via CC not unity hub and give it a go

Also if you don't use unity other then vrchat avatars uninstall unity 6

if it still doesnt work

windows + R
%LocalAppData%\Unity\cache
press ok delete everything in that file

[sturdy prawn]

just did again

[gaunt knoll]

So you did all of that

[gilded canopy]

Quick question. I have an animation that makes the avatar's mouth move, but it uses blendshapes that are under a different name on my specific avatar, otherwise they're marked as missing. Is there any convenient way to link/translate the blendshapes to control the appropriate ones on my avatar?

[gaunt knoll]

did you do everything i said

[gaunt knoll]

you can use blendshape linker from vrcfury but i dont know if it works with animations

[sturdy prawn]

done

[sturdy prawn]

now what?

[gaunt knoll]

did you try it

[spiral shard]

im trying to make a custom shader that goes on an object. when i load in game other people see the object in different positions in each eye, its in the right spot in the left eye, but to the left of the model in the right eye. as they move closer to me the object to the left of the model moves closer until it is in the correct position. when i look at my model in the camera or a mirror it looks correct, the only way i can see the bugged version is in the avatar preview when selecting the avatar. when i turned off the shader and just used the face texture on the object the bug didnt happen anymore so im pretty sure the shader is the problem.

[frozen sigil]

Does anyone here know how to make a png avatar that supports quest and pc that is well lit? Since quest doesnt natively support transparency making a 2d png avi becomes a pain in the ass as someone who has no idea what they are doing, can anyone help with this?

Is it done via making a mesh that perfectly matches the pngs texture like a cutout? If so how does it achieve the flip direction thing that only pngs usally ahieve(it looks the saame on both sides)?

I'm a bit stupid so if its obvious I do apologize.

[somber sequoia]

If this is ShaderGraph, you need to use Z3i's fork of that for VRChat, you can't use the one in Unity itself. https://github.com/z3y/ShaderGraphVRC
Also note that #shaders exists too

[spiral shard]

ok thank you, i didnt spot the shaders channel, ill post in there if i have any further issues

[frozen sigil]

Help 🙏

[somber sequoia]

cut out the actual mesh.

[frozen sigil]

How(Im an idiot)

Best method

?

[somber sequoia]

dunno, this isn't a thing I actually do, but the best I can say is if you have transparent parts, don't have mesh there. Blender is probably the right tool.

[frozen sigil]

Alright

[gaunt knoll]

delete unity 2022.3.22f1 and redownload it

[night ember]

Might have it downlpaded multiple times

[gaunt knoll]

https://unity.com/releases/editor/whats-new/2022.3.22f1#installs

[wary gust]

getting stuck on 15% avatar upload

[tiny dock]

i keep getting avatar validation failed

[somber sequoia]

are those the only four error messages? if not, look above at the first 2-3.

[tiny dock]

oops

[somber sequoia]

that second one.

there's an auto-fix button above the "build and publish" button in the SDK build window

[tiny dock]

is that it?

[somber sequoia]

review other errors there as well

[tiny dock]

i normally auto fix that i just missed it this time

[somber sequoia]

I can't tell you if that's it without seeing that window, but that's definitely an issue.

[tiny dock]

tried uploading last night and it gave me the same error

i'm trying again now

[tiny dock]

it worked that time

i'm starting to think my unity file is just getting too big

i'm having issues like that constantly

[somber sequoia]

that wasn't a unity issue, that was a "you didn't do a required step" issue

[glad thunder]

Does anyone know how to fix creator companion from stalling or just not uploading ?Whenever I click build and publish it’ll just freeze on the building avatar but it’s not actually doing it n I can click everything I’ve tried uninstalling and reinstalling trying a different build n it just not working

its been working then randomly did this

[timber wharf]

cc doesnt upload anything, just installs packages in your unity, its vrc sdk. red errors?

[glad thunder]

doesnt it uplaod avis to your acc? and heres the red errors but its doiing this for every project it try

[somber sequoia]

No - that's Unity you are using there.

[glad thunder]

wdym?

[somber sequoia]

Please always show the first 2-3 errors.

[somber sequoia]

VCC is a package management tool which also launches the Unity editor. That screenshot is Unity, not VCC.

[glad thunder]

thats all the error on the screen

[somber sequoia]

I can see the scroll bar there, but if you say there is none, above, good.

[glad thunder]

those are the first 2-3 errors yeah is there anyway how to fix it? so i can upload ?

it does this for different projects too

[somber sequoia]

first is at the top, but okay, fair enough. None of the show errors are of any help here, unfortunately.

[glad thunder]

not just this one

[glad thunder]

oops didnt see it was a the bottom heres the top

[somber sequoia]

that last one is interesting but I don't know what it means

[stark vapor]

Anyone know exactly how to pose arms for T-pose? I'm making an avatar from scratch and can't figure out if the elbows/forearm should be facing up(like elbow up) or backwards(elbow towards the back of the avatar).

[somber sequoia]

palms should face down

[stark vapor]

I am aware, but I'm asking how the forearm should be positioned.

[somber sequoia]

right but I think it just positions naturally if you stand like that

I usually just stand in that pose and observe my own body

[waxen jungle]

Rotating on one axis causes it to rotate on another? I dont really know much about animation and stuff so some help would be much appreciated

[somber sequoia]

zero the axis you don't want to rotate?

[waxen jungle]

I think the issue is probably that I have to move it locally in order for it to move correctly

I’ll try that though

[dim hawk]

So, I'm trying to get a VRC Parent Constraint working where the small bunny tail can be "extended" from a much bigger dragon tail, and the animation looks fine. However, when I test the avi, the re-parenting does not work whatsoever.

[waxen jungle]

yeah, still not working, at this point im not even sure if its possible to fix...

[tropic jackal]

you're just setting the end rotation, not the path it takes; I'd make a parent bone so that the rotation of the actual weighted bone is 0,0,0 at the starting rotation you want

then you can rotate one axis

[tropic jackal]

so, this

[pulsar laurel]

can someone help me upload an avatar

[somber sequoia]

Sure. where are you stuck?

alright.

[cobalt cloak]

eny idea what that is?

[left wharf]

try restarting unity

[cobalt cloak]

is that a bug?

[left wharf]

yea, it might be a bug (vrcsdk sometimes fail to build with the message like that)

[cobalt cloak]

okay thx it workt holy

[left wharf]

great!

[cobalt cloak]

have a good night

[left wharf]

yeee, good night :3

[lucid nacelle]

helloo, i think ima ask this one again..

why this view orb thing doesnt work fully? because the view isnt moved on Z axis but does moved on Y for some reason. because i dont know why this happen

i have made an avatar before and this is my 2nd :3

[heavy zephyr]

Is your avatar at 0,0,0?

[unkempt iris]

i need help 😭 i dont understand how to uhm. apply the textures in seperate places on the uv map? theyre 2 different textures but when i edit one in uv map they both move

maybe im selecting something wrong but im genuinely confused

[left gull]

seperate the outline mesh from the shirt mesh or just select only the outline's mesh, you're selecting the whole shirt in this clip

[gentle iris]

the model i downloaded has mouths as different objects, how would i make it work? each one is a 2d image

[left gull]

merge them in blender and make a shapekey/blendshape for each mouth

[gentle iris]

how would they need to look in blender?

would i need to have them behind each other

[left gull]

i shrink them inside the head when not activated and animate them to overlap the resting mouth on activation

[gentle iris]

in unity they are layered on top of each other

[left gull]

okay?

that doesnt really matter since you'd be changing that in blender

[gentle iris]

would it be the same for eyes?

[left gull]

if the eyes are also seperate 2d image meshes then yeah

[gentle iris]

ok

[lucid nacelle]

mhmmm its at 0, 0, 0 in blender

and then i exported and it still at 0,0,0 at unity

[heavy zephyr]

Asking about in your unity scene

[lucid nacelle]

i think its at 0, 0, 0, i didnt move it after import

(psst please do tag me when responding)

(im somewhat busy ;w; its annoying asking help anywhere and when somebody does respond, im busy, so i might not respond for hours)

[naive wing]

Hey all, I'm new here and also brand new to editing avatars (just for personal).
My avi is all uploaded for both PC and Quest but I need to go back to Blender to sculpt and fix some clipping on my jeans but when using CATS plugin "fix model" she kind of breaks. First pic is how she looked the first time (hair not visible and bomber jacket different color, all cats plugin boxes UNchecked) and second pic is after "fixing model" after re-importing to Blender. Are there certain check-boxes I need on or off? What am I doing wrong?
(Please tag me with replies, THANK YOU!!)

[prisma monolith]

i figured out how to add sound to my toggle but i wanna make it so that when i run gesture emulator at first, the sound wont play automatically

its just that, because otherwise, enabling and disabling the toggle is fine

[left gull]

fix model button should only ever be used for game ports and even then its really meant for just MMD, you shouldnt really be using that button at all.

why were you pressing the fix model button in the first place? like what's the outcome you were trying to get cause theres likely a better manual way to do it

[naive wing]

@left gull
I was following this tutorial:
https://youtu.be/bz6JVFaNHmE?si=Ne3T8H09ZyDnmiQM

And fix model was used after each clothing piece data transfer modifier to make sure it moved with the model in pose mode. There was never any problems before

[prisma monolith]

so how do i prevent my toggle sound from playing directly as i start the gesture emulator?

[prisma monolith]

anyone 😭

[prisma monolith]

im using audio sources for the sounds

[teal laurel]

You put it on a toggle or button instead

Otherwise it will always play the second load you load into the avatar

[gentle iris]

how can i have 2 FX layers?

[teal laurel]

You can merge them with something like VRCFury and a Full Controller

That way, you can import stuff for clothing for example, and if you no longer need it you can remove the prefab from your avatar and it will no longer load the FX for the clothing into your main FX

https://blackwolfwoof.com/s/CiyWTmNNPzzgr6Y/preview

ah nice, no embed perms

just open the screenshot in web i guess

[gentle iris]

im trying to do 2d mouth and apparently i need to use FX

[teal laurel]

oh wait

you mean layers

my bad

https://blackwolfwoof.com/s/RFQCqn4LYrmcpqL/preview

you can click the + in the Animation Controller (FX)

there you can add a second layer

[timber wharf]

@prisma monolith uh, disable play on enable or whatever its called on audio source?

[prisma monolith]

play on awake?

ohh ok

[prisma monolith]

i have it on a toggle, so all i needa do is just turn play on awake off?

[teal laurel]

Try and see, depends on how you toggle it (if you toggle the audio or the entire object)

[prisma monolith]

well for reference this is for a transformers bumblebee avatar

and im making it so that when the transform toggle is enabled

the sound plays

using audio sources

and after that initial error of the sound playing the moment gesture emulator is activated, everything functions as normal

[lucid nacelle]

okay so im no longer busy, yes its at 0, 0, 0

[rare jacinth]

so i just uploaded my avatar to vrchat that i edited in blender. i added clothes and upscaled the legs. i did nothing else to the body. i used pumkin to pull over everything from my previous model and now its T posing in game. im not sure how to stop this

would this possibly cause the issue?

[gentle iris]

what does this mean?

all the objects are where they are meant to be

it fixed itself?

and now its doing it again

[prisma monolith]

ok so about my transformer avatar

when it transforms, the base arms for the guns toggle still are visible

kinda like this (not in playmode but for reference)

[stark vapor]

Anyone know the max amount of triangles a quest compatable avi can have? I am reading it is 20,000 or so, but I've seen quest compatable avis with like 100,000 or so triangles. Sorry if random. Just workin on an avi I am doin from scratch and slightly worried about the triangles limit(cuz I wanna have enough room for my avatar's main outfit and maybe an alt outfit).

[ornate stump]

There is no hard limit, other than it could make your avatar exceeding size limit.

And security check failed could depend on many other factors.

[stark vapor]

Mk. So I am fine as long as it ain't over 10 MB and only have a couple physbones?

[ornate stump]

Most of the time yes. You could still upload with excessive physbone, they're just going to be disabled in game.

[stark vapor]

Mk, thanks.

[karmic falcon]

Could someone help me with the physbones on my avatar? I'm quite new, and don't know how to exactly do them on this type of avatar.

[junior void]

"Do them" - be more specific, what do you have trouble with?

[karmic falcon]

I don't really know how to do it.

I've done it before, but it was on simpler avatars.

This is a import from a source mdl. file, and it has this "physics" object to it. But no matter what I do, to the bones in the armature or to the object in specific, it doesn't do anything

I could show you if that'd help

[junior void]

Physbones are a script that you add. Youre not meant to mess with bones, youre meant to hit "add component" and select physbone script (either directly on a bone you want affected or on some other object and drag the bone you want affected into the root transform box of the script)

[junior void]

this is likely not made for vrchat

[karmic falcon]

i moreso want the physbones to be on these

[junior void]

then add the script to them in the inspector

[karmic falcon]

i ported it from blender and then onto unity

uh, i just wanna ask -- what do the bones on the chest usually look like

i think the bones on my model are a little funny

[junior void]

A standard humanoid rig looks like this^

[crisp mantle]

Hey guys so im making my first avatar and hes kinda round so the default idle isnt a great position for his arms. Ive animated my own idle in blender and set up the controllers and blendtrees in unity and replaced the proxy_stand_still, but when i load the model into vr chat my idle defaults instead to the base humanoid pose

Ive tried to find help online but it seems like this is a unique issue for me atleast from what ive seen so im coming here to ask if anyone knows how to fix this

Looks fine here

but in game his legs are bent and arms are out kina flailing

looks more like a falling animation now that im thinking abt it

[mortal dagger]

Hey guys quick question if i get a prop to add as a piece of clothing like a mask or a handwatch but i only get the 3d model what do i have to do to make it a unity prefab

[ornate stump]

The 3d model itself already is a prefab.

[lone shoal]

where do i find the vrcchair default prefab?

[gaunt knoll]

heads up

[somber sequoia]

?

[sacred aspen]

Hi im extremely new to vrchat and models. I recently got a model from booth and i made toggles using VRC fury to turn on and off their clothes but the default emote/dance option is now gone. Any idea on how to get it to be back?

[fresh jacinth]

Someone on #creator-companion asking for help to upload a pirated avatar basically

[somber sequoia]

If you add stuff to the menu, you lose the default menu. I think you can find it in the SDK examples though, and can add that as a submenu. Haven't really looked though.

[gentle bluff]

Will there be an update to the SDK to show the correct performance rating? It says "Poor" and then you get it all uploaded and in game it says "Very Poor"

Just as I wrote that it dawned on me that it could be a VRCFury thing. Although that normally improves performance on the optimisation bit.

[balmy barn]

you are using vrcfury

[somber sequoia]

Yeah that SDK thing can't take into account anything VRCFury does at build time

[gentle bluff]

Classic case of working out the problem just as you type the question 😅

[somber sequoia]

haha I love those

[gentle bluff]

That said, I thought building a VRCF Test Copy and showing that to the SDK would do it but it still considers it only "Poor"
From what I could see, the in-game texture memory usage was the stat pushing it over

Yeah so the texture memory limit is 150MB, SDK sees 120MB and the game, ehh I think it said 162MB or so.
I seem to recall one of the texture compression options being like a "zip" that gets past upload limitations put pushes it over when it's "unzipped" into memory, maybe something like that
E: crunch compression

[unborn lichen]

hi and good evening/morning guys, is possible to ask kindly to be helped regarding a project i would like to realize on unity ? it regards my avatar, im unfortunately not good with unity and im not truly familiar with the program itself, i hope to not disturb anyone with my request ^^

[somber sequoia]

that's what this channel is for. Explain where you are, what you've done, what you need help with.

[indigo compass]

Measuring texture memory is apparently not easy, the vrc client, vrc sdk and other tools for measuring all disagree.

And crunch compression only affects download size, it has no effect on texture memory.

[gentle bluff]

Yeah figures...
I'm just going through tweaking texture settings manually. Asked in the optimisation thread but I'm thinking at least things like emission maps could actually be a much smaller res than the albedo

[rare jacinth]

Still need help with this if anyone is able to help me possibly

[pure gust]

i dont know why but my toggles switching through each other even though I don't have them on and this is only on Quest it's happening I don't know how to fix it (sorry if the audio was loud)

[gentle bluff]

Grr all that effort got it down to 102MB in the SDK and... 154MB in game, still too high xD

[timber wharf]

@sacred aspen funny thing is that vrc sdk doesnt supply default menu, afaik. so while recreatable, its not smth you can copy and edit

whoa thanks discord for totally loading recent messages

[somber sequoia]

it does that to me too 🙁

[gentle bluff]

omg haha. So Thry's Avatar VRAM Calculator run on a VRCFury test copy is helping a lot.
I have this fart asset that puts out a little cloud. Turns out the texture for it is set to 4K by default with crunch compression. What shows 1.6MB in the inspector is 16MB by the time it's in the avatar.
A 16MB fart. Whoops.

[mortal dagger]

Hay guys this mask keeps clipping weirdly into my character and moves weirdly although i assigned it to The head with amature link it dosent work plus i personally placed it under the head higharchy

[somber sequoia]

If you use armature link there's no need to place the object anywhere specific

[rare jacinth]

so progress. not stuck in T-Pose anymore. but new issue. there's no gestures and the gogo isn't working and is throwing me this error. I'm editing on the lychee yeen. it only throws this error when i add gogoloco. im not sure how to fix this

[somber sequoia]

If you're using the VRCFury gogo loco prefab, you should not be using the gogo loco animation controllers in the layers in your avatar descriptor.

[gaunt knoll]

I've seen this issue beforehand it was out of date vrcfury

It was hilarious when it was happening to my friend he would change clothes and how fat he was every 1 minute

[rare jacinth]

Where can I find that?

[junior void]

Avatar descriptor on the root object

[rare jacinth]

it looks like this currently

[junior void]

Scroll to playable layers

[rare jacinth]

That looks like this

[round hamlet]

Have you gotten it fixed Rn?

[junior void]

Any other objects that merge controllers onto the avatar maybe?

[somber sequoia]

"playable layers"

[rare jacinth]

I do see a controller in here but its not connecting to anythinh

That im aware of

[somber sequoia]

oh you only have FX, I wonder if it's detecting something in that. I have no idea how that actually works, maybe check the VRCFury docs or their discord.

[junior void]

You can try temporarily removing FX to confirm it's not that

[rare jacinth]

Dang it. Alright ill ask and see if they know why its kicking it back

Ok ill try that. But don't I need the FX to make the model work?

[junior void]

Yesnt

[distant nimbus]

is there any way that i can make this lettering a metal/metallic ??

[junior void]

Depends on your shader

[distant nimbus]

im using poi

[somber sequoia]

this is just to test

[junior void]

You can probably get away with using a copy of the base color texture as mask to turn up metallic

[rare jacinth]

Alright ill see

[somber sequoia]

Make a mask where white = the text, black = not the text (base color might be good for this), then use that in this section as your metallic map, play with the metal settings.
Or you could use that mask to apply a matcap.
https://www.poiyomi.com/shading/reflections-and-specular

[rare jacinth]

now its giving me this

[somber sequoia]

I don't use VRC Fury much, really can't help much more than basic advice here.

[rare jacinth]

Understood thank you for the help

[junior void]

Maybe click the top one

Bet it says what it is it's missing in the stack

[lunar iris]

how do i fix this

NullReferenceException: Object reference not set to an instance of an object
nadena.dev.ndmf.preview.VRCSDKBug_AssemblyGetNameExceptionHandling.Patch (HarmonyLib.Harmony h) (at ./Packages/nadena.dev.ndmf/Editor/Harmony/VRCSDKBug_AssemblyGetNameExceptionHandling.cs:12)
nadena.dev.ndmf.preview.PatchLoader.ApplyPatches () (at ./Packages/nadena.dev.ndmf/Editor/Harmony/Patcher.cs:33)
UnityEngine.Debug:LogException(Exception)
nadena.dev.ndmf.preview.PatchLoader:ApplyPatches() (at ./Packages/nadena.dev.ndmf/Editor/Harmony/Patcher.cs:37)
UnityEditor.EditorAssemblies:ProcessInitializeOnLoadMethodAttributes()

or do i not need to fix happened after the hole lost my license in unity i think

nvm everything seems to be fine

[oak totem]

how do i fix this?, I am on the latest SDK version, so im confused why its giving me this

[somber sequoia]

You are not on the latest SDK version if it's saying that

[oak totem]

well how do i get the newest one? Ive tried looking up but google doesnt seem to help :p

[somber sequoia]

vcc or alcom

manage your project, then there should be a way to upgrade packages in it

[oak totem]

uh okay, what specifically do i upgrade/update in the mange project in vcc

[somber sequoia]

the VRChat SDKs

[junior void]

Sdk base and avatar

[oak totem]

OHHH i see it now, thank you

[crisp mantle]

Nah I haven’t

The only thing I can figure at this point is that there’s something wrong with the animation itself but I have no idea what that would even be

[gaunt knoll]

Let me guess it's like the head is locked in place

[crisp mantle]

Nope

[crisp mantle]

#avatar-help message

[opal relic]

I bought the voice constraint and voice muffler to add to my avatar. I drag and dropped one of the prefabs onto my avatar only to realize these won't work without a couple of dependencies (modular avatar and the modular framework). So I deleted the prefab and the folder. Now it won't let me upload to Android because of some text material attached to some part of my avatar. The "select" button only selects my avatar rather than where the problem is exactly.

Upon upload, it gave me this:

[somber sequoia]

you'll need to find the problem materials. If you can't, maybe they're swapped on via animation at runtime?

[opal relic]

ohhhh I found the problem materials

They were under PCS which is odd

Wait- I forgot one crucial step

The prefab I have censored is a PC only thing

I forgot I got to detach it from the avatar to upload it for Android. It's been almost a month since I have updated this avatar.

Yay, it uploaded!

[frank nova]

Is there a way I make it so one particle emits when making a gesture?
I've done it before but the issue is I either have to settle for it sometimes doing 2 instead of 1 or something not doing one at all due to the animation timing.
For the record I mean the particle emitter itself doesnt turn off and on, so and previously summoned particle can finish its animation even when the gesture is stopped.

[half sparrow]

I’m new to this

[somber sequoia]

I think you want to look up 'buffer particles'

[quaint hound]

Hiii, quick question about blender, how do i/ whats the easiest/best way to make visemes, blendshapes, etc?
im having a bunch of trouble D:
also, is there a way to "copy" blendshapes? ie. how would i make clothing that has the same blendshapes as the mesh underneath? (ie. for a body or something)

[somber sequoia]

You can't copy shape keys between different meshes

usually what I do for that is enable the body shape key, then on the clothing item, create a new one and reshape to fit.

[half sparrow]

I need help

I wanne create an avi that looks like me

[quaint hound]

thought so, but i just wanted to ask because remaking shapekeys for clothing im adding to an avatar is REAALLYY tedious D:

[somber sequoia]

yep, sure is

[somber sequoia]

This Unity is not for VRChat, you want to have version 2022.3.22f1

[half sparrow]

Ohh okk where do I get that mb I js got confused like I said I’m new to this

[somber sequoia]

https://creators.vrchat.com/sdk/

^ getting started instructions

[half sparrow]

Ok

[lone shoal]

yo fsr my particles arent colliding with stuff even though collisions are on anyone know any fixes?

[quaint hound]

seriously no better way? i cant keep doing this i dont have the patience to do this for like 80 pieces of clothing with like 10 blendshapes each 😭😭

[somber sequoia]

Show the component

[lone shoal]

k 1 sec

[somber sequoia]

I mean, there are lots of blender modeling tricks, maybe something like shrinkwrap works for you? I've not found anything I really liked for this other than just plain modeling

usually scaling with proportional editing from the 3D cursor at various points

[quaint hound]

from 3d cursor? cant you just proportionally edit from a selected vertex

im asking because maybe your ways better, who knows lol

[somber sequoia]

really depends on what you're doing, I find working off the 3D cursor is really useful in some cases.

[lone shoal]

here's as much of the useful info i can get into 1 screenshot

[quaint hound]

whats the radius of the particles like

[lone shoal]

uhhh where do i see that

[somber sequoia]

any reason why you picked Planes vs. World?

[quaint hound]

im so sorry i havent touched particlesystems for like a year now, id have to look thru it myself

[lone shoal]

didnt know i had to pick world

[somber sequoia]

I think if you use planes you have to actually setup some planes

[quaint hound]

also that lol

[somber sequoia]

probably not what you want on an avatar in most cases

[quaint hound]

pretty sure thats what the table is for, to add the planes to actually collide with

[somber sequoia]

yep

[quaint hound]

might be a bullet, seeing the speed being 400

or a projectile

[lone shoal]

yes it is

ok i have made it collide with world and now its ricocheting off walls what

[somber sequoia]

sounds about right.

[quaint hound]

yup

[spark walrus]

somone reply to this ccomment if you can help me make a oc avatar and help me

[somber sequoia]

You'll probably want to use the option to dampen the velocity when it collides

[quaint hound]

comment 😭 we aint in yt shorts yo

[somber sequoia]

feel free to ask questions in the channel, you're way less likely to get someone to help privately

[lone shoal]

ok just set that to 1?

[somber sequoia]

I didn't say that at all.

[quaint hound]

!this
or add a subparticle that emits when the parent particle dies to collision

that way you can do impact effects or something like that

[somber sequoia]

Sure, if that's what you want. I suggest reading the docs on those options.

[lone shoal]

already doing impact effects im just confused about why its bouncing off shite

[somber sequoia]

see "Lifetime loss" if you want it to die on collision

[lone shoal]

yea its already on the max

[quaint hound]

though its already at 1, so im also kinda confused

[lone shoal]

ok setting dampen to 1 worked

thanks

[half sparrow]

That?

?

[balmy barn]

average scam post

[half sparrow]

Fr

[gaunt knoll]

yes that is unity

[half sparrow]

Now I’m js confused

[crisp mantle]

#avatar-help message

If anyone can help me figure this out… I’d be eternally grateful

[gaunt knoll]

why thats unity

[half sparrow]

It’s not that it’s the creating an avi that looks like me I’m new to creating shit

[crisp mantle]

You need blender to model an avatar

[half sparrow]

🤦🤦

[gaunt knoll]

yeah

[crisp mantle]

Unity is for the technical stuff

[gaunt knoll]

blender next

[half sparrow]

Blender 3d?

[somber sequoia]

In this case, Unity is for turning a 3D model into a VRChat avatar. You still need the model.

[half sparrow]

I’m slow

[somber sequoia]

if you say so

[crisp mantle]

I recommend looking up a YouTube tutorial as they can be super helpful for starting in blender

[half sparrow]

Ok

[crisp mantle]

I also am guessing no one knows the solution to my problem which is

well it makes me want to rip my hair out

[somber sequoia]

that's frustrating

[crisp mantle]

I mean I don’t know if that’s the case but considering it’s continually ignored

I’m assuming no one knows

[somber sequoia]

that's my guess

[gaunt knoll]

i know this is dumb have you added gogo to it

[crisp mantle]

I don’t have that no

What would adding gogo do?

[gaunt knoll]

gogo has its own animations might be worth a look at

[crisp mantle]

I’m not entirely sure that’s my issue

[gaunt knoll]

yep

thats blender

[somber sequoia]

yay, blender cube

[half sparrow]

Ok

[crisp mantle]

I have to think my issue is a weird override that vrchat is doing

Or that something is just wrong with my animation because I’ve looked at everything a thousand times and it’s all good

But it just won’t work

And it’s replacing it with either the default humanoid rig pose or some other thing

[dawn oak]

bones are completely stiff despite being under the counts for quest what else can break it

[fresh jacinth]

if you install gogo loco, in game you will have an option for widening your idle arm stance from 3 to choose from (it's kinda hidden in the menus so not a lot of people see it) but im not sure the widest one will work for you

[crisp mantle]

Maybe! I can try. My guy is pretty wide though

[dawn oak]

this is a commision please help if you can i have never had this issue before

[stoic bobcat]

making spawnable cutouts for people to press, i want to make sure I do it right, i know ill need a contact receiver but for it to be pressed down would that just need a physbone with colliders?

[gaunt knoll]

it could need bones

[stoic bobcat]

it does

just never do stuff like this so idk if it needs physbones to be pressable and actually move or some collider

[gaunt knoll]

you can do it like that guess if you want it to be quest compatible probs best to use a blendshape instead as you only get 8

[ruby summit]

does anyone know why my avatar's eye shrink on vrchat when theyre fine on unity?

[gaunt knoll]

im scared

[balmy barn]

id check > check eye rotation, be sure they arent assigned to jaw and no physbone that affect them

(go into playmode)

[alpine jay]

does anyone know how to fix this im using vrc fury and ive never had this happen before

[balmy barn]

might be shapekeys , looks smaller

[ruby summit]

the eye rotation seems fine, there arent no jaw bones or eye bones connected to the head, theres no physbones on them and the model doesnt have shape keys

[fervent oracle]

Does anyone know why adding more than 6 toggles (via Ints for my parameter) isn't working for my VRChat avatar?

Plus, I don't know why the "New Toggle" is there, even though I didn't add one to my avatar.

[solar warren]

You should try using a hue shift

There's some tutorials on youtube

[fervent oracle]

I'm not sure how I can do that when using a Beat Saber-specific shader for this avatar.

[solar warren]

Oh

[solar warren]

Are you using vrcfury?

[fervent oracle]

I have it installed.

Mainly because it is required to use Bruce's Shareable Props that I bought last summer.

[solar warren]

Did you use it for the toggles?

[fervent oracle]

Well, no.

I'll probably have to look into it.

[solar warren]

Uhhh

Check the weight in the animation controller

I had it happen multiple times where I forgot to set the weight

Or the parameter name

[fervent oracle]

The ColorInt has the weight set.

[solar warren]

Parameter name maybe?

[fervent oracle]

Same thing.

[solar warren]

You should use gesture manager or however its called to test without uploading

[solar warren]

Check the animation

[solar warren]

Yeah idrk

Maybe you forgot smth on the transition thing?

[fervent oracle]

🤷‍♂️

Maybe I'll try swapping out the animations in the controller on certain occasions, like swapping out the light blue color to green.

We'll see how it goes.

It's working now!

I just forgot to change the parameter of the green animation from "FaceInt" to "ColorInt".

Man, my auADHD brain can't concentrate very well, huh?

[safe falcon]

Having trouble with my expression toggles. This is my first time importing an original model like this, but none of my toggles seem to be working. I'm new to this but I seemingly followed the tutorials correctly

[unborn robin]

please help :,)) just trying to upload my avi, it creates clones for uploading but doesn't upload, and the actual alerts won't open. I've tried reloading SDK, restarting pc, closing and opening unity multiple times, and switching to other versions of the SDK

maybe my project is just broken but I have no clue

[gaunt knoll]

whats the sdk on now

[unborn robin]

latest version

3.10.1

[gaunt knoll]

can you press reload sdk

[unborn robin]

yeah ill try it again

[unborn robin]

did it, it's still doing the same thing

[crisp mantle]

not... wide enough....

thats the WIDEST.. one...

[gaunt knoll]

does this only happen in this project?

[unborn robin]

let me check another real quick

[unborn robin]

yeah its only with that one

[unborn robin]

looks like there was a package in there that i couldnt reinstall

no clue what that means

let me try opening it again

its still doing the same thing

[gaunt knoll]

i would get everything out of that project and move it to another one something in there isnt right

[unborn robin]

yeah its

a really old project

ive just been updating it every few months

[gaunt knoll]

yeah i would move everything to a new one

[unborn robin]

sounds good thank you

[west current]

i have been modeling this on blender and when i imported it to unity to make it an avatar this hapened

[arctic ginkgo]

your normals are not correct. In blender, select everything in edit mode and press shift+N

[west current]

ty

[grand yew]

what causes this

cuz i for the love of god cant figure it out

[somber sequoia]

exporting from blender, overwriting your .fbx, but with different/wrong export settings than previously used

[grand yew]

ah fuck

[somber sequoia]

try setting "apply scalings" to "FBX All" unless you know it should be otherwise

if not that, try setting the rig to generic then do the humanoid setup again

if not that, drag a new copy of the model into the scene and transfer stuff over

it's usually the scaling thing though

[uneven cosmos]

im amking this guy and i gave him 17 string bones that i want to trail along with physics aand be grabbable and can be pulled by other players. how can i go about doing that?

[somber sequoia]

physbone component on that String.001 bone

[uneven cosmos]

ok thanks

[safe falcon]

I genuinley don't understand wha'ts wrong here. I've done everything every tutorial has said to do, it's just not working.

[somber sequoia]

do your transitions have "can transition to self" enabled? they usually shouldn't, if you're using anystate

[uneven cosmos]

should i do physbone root or just physbone

[somber sequoia]

what is "physbone root"?

[safe falcon]

where do I find that option?

[uneven cosmos]

i trid just physbone and that seemed to do the trick

[somber sequoia]

huh, what is that

[uneven cosmos]

i have no clue bit the defaut physbone worked

[somber sequoia]

in the state transition. those lines between states

[safe falcon]

This is all I see

[somber sequoia]

oh I meant the ones from AnyState. Though I'm kinda confused as to how this all works, if you're using AnyState why do you need all those extra transitions?

[safe falcon]

I'm not sure what AnyState is

I also jsut noticed this error message, I have no clue what is "destoryed" or how to fix it

[somber sequoia]

that blue state on the image you posted which says "AnyState"

[safe falcon]

oohhhh sorry, I was told to connect the expressions to Basis as a return for turning them off

[somber sequoia]

it's a reasonable technique but I'd not think to do that when using AnyState like that. Weird tutorial.

[safe falcon]

should I have no retuning transitions then?

[grand yew]

could the issue be that this avi doesnt have its own avatar thingy?

[somber sequoia]

anyway. If you use a tool like GestureManager or AV3 Emulator, you could go into play mode in the Unity editor and have a tab open to watch what the animator does when you activate the various menu items. You'll basically have to debug what's going on.

[somber sequoia]

"avatar thingy"?

[grand yew]

this whole thing

[somber sequoia]

that looks like the rig setup proccess

[grand yew]

hmmmm

let me try something

[safe falcon]

When I do that using the Emulator addon, it shows this and completely gets rid of the other layers.

[uneven cosmos]

is there a way to make bones parented to the head bone that can be seen by the wearer of the avatar?

because it always hides the mesh from the player pov when wearing it

[somber sequoia]

Yes, by default they show the base layer, you'll have to pick the one you want to debug. It's an option in there somewhere (I don't have Unity open)

[somber sequoia]

this is what the VRC Head Chop component is for

[uneven cosmos]

oh ok thank you

[safe falcon]

but it's not even the "base layer" it's something called "locomotive"

[somber sequoia]

that is the base layer

[safe falcon]

But it completely gets rid of the Face Toggles layer? I'm so confused

[somber sequoia]

oh - layer here I meant the animator as listed under "playable layers" in your avatar descriptor, not the layer within the FX animator

[safe falcon]

sooo.. this? What do I do to it?

[somber sequoia]

nothing?

it's the testing tool that is showing you the base layer instead of the one you want to test

[uncut zinc]

I'm trying to upload a novabeast model, but it keeps getting stuck on the uploading file phase and then spits out this error:

[somber sequoia]

unfortunately, that message does not provide any useful information.

[grand yew]

it wasnt rigged

now i got a few more things to fix

[placid idol]

can sm1 help, my avi is the size of an ant, like so so small you can barely see it yet the view point its like way above it

[uncut zinc]

Found the fix.... Restarting my pc.

[somber sequoia]

haha of course

[opal relic]

Why is it doing this now?

It was uploading just fine before

[arctic ginkgo]

you have audio on an avatar that you are uploading to quest

or iOS

[opal relic]

I am uploading to Quest. I am aware it has audio. Usually it removes the audio on its own. I also recently added a voice muffler prefab I bought today.

Before I added that prefab, it had audio in other places and it uploads just fine. I just don't want to go through the headache of re-adding audio stuff every time.

[arctic ginkgo]

you can use EasyQuestSwitch to remove the components, or just duplicate the avatar and remove the audio components

[opal relic]

K, is that the only thing keeping me from uploading this to Quest? I'm still confused.

[arctic ginkgo]

That's the only error that shows up right now, so hopefully that should be all

It does show in the console that it was the issue that stopped the upload

[grand yew]

can i edit bone positions and bones in unity or do i have to do it in blender

[arctic ginkgo]

do you mean edit them without effecting the mesh?

[grand yew]

out of place and need to add another bone on each finger

[opal relic]

I took out the voice muffler and yeah, that is the one thing that is keeping it from being Quest compatible.

[arctic ginkgo]

if you are editing the armature you need to do it in Blender, not Unity

[grand yew]

also wait the original model i exported from blender has the missing bones tf?

[opal relic]

I can still maybe add just the voice constraint for Quest. I read this prefab is Quest compatible minus the audio.

[grand yew]

😭

[arctic ginkgo]

yeah, EasyQuestSwitch should remove/add the audio components for you automatically per-platform

[grand yew]

can i export just the armature/bones from blender?

[arctic ginkgo]

you need to export everything that was in the original FBX

[grand yew]

okay pain but i dont get why the bones werent exported with it originally

[somber sequoia]

probably "Armature" wasn't selected at export time

[arctic ginkgo]

You may be misunderstanding how bones work in Unity V.S. Blender. In Blender, they have a "head" and "tail". This gives each bone a length. In Unity, bones are just coordinates with rotation and scale. There is no end, just the start. This can make it appear as if bones are missing when they are not. The bones in Unity are the balls, not the lines between them

[gentle iris]

is there a way i can add eye tracking, the model doesnt have eye bones

[thorny marsh]

Is there a way to edit the default idle animation so the character's arms don't clip into their hips?

[somber sequoia]

I don't think you can get the actual default animation but you could certainly make your own

[cedar verge]

hey could someone help me with uploading an avatar? i rcently bought one and followed the steps but just getting a failed message whenever i try and publish it

[safe falcon]

Okay so I got the shapekeys with toggles working but I have another question relating to it. Is there a way so when it switches to the shape key I toggled, it wont be influenced by any other shape keys such as lip sync, or just the mouth being closed from the "Silence" shapekey? Sorry if I worded that wrong.

[somber sequoia]

share the error message

[somber sequoia]

no, you'd have to work out the animation logic to do that yourself. You can disable the mouth via VRC Animator Tracking Control though.

[cedar verge]

i closed the project, pretty much the description of the avatar tells you what to do in order, it says, vrcfury, liltoon and pio toon which are both included in the package, then it says -Import the avatar unity package, -Click the scene or drag it into the hierarchy, i get the avatr in the project with the shaders working and everything but as soon as i push publish it says avatar failed

[somber sequoia]

well without seeing the actual error message there's nothing I can really suggest

[flint crest]

i need help

@somber sequoia

[somber sequoia]

what?

why you ping me?

and then not answer

[cedar verge]

im re doing the steps, if i get it again ill show you

what does this mean, Click the scene or drag it into the hierarchy

[somber sequoia]

probably means to click the scene file

[flint crest]

SORRY BUT I cant seem to like upload the vr avatar

[somber sequoia]

and?

[flint crest]

i am trying but it only want to work on pc

[cedar verge]

like the actual avatar file

[somber sequoia]

it says "click the scene", not avatar, so that's why it was my guess.

[flint crest]

@somber sequoia

i need help

[somber sequoia]

Please stop pinging me.

[flint crest]

well i need help

[somber sequoia]

that's what this channel is for

[flint crest]

i been spending hour trying to uplod and avatar

it this

i got the files

it only want to work on windows

idk why

help

[junior void]

Define 'only work on Windows'

[cedar verge]

yeah none of this stuff works for me i have no clue what im doing, i bought the avatar today and chose the option that said plus upload thinking they would upload it for me, someone please help im so lost

[wicked brook]

i made a quest version for a pc avatar and this is whats happening when a quest user sees the pc quest fall back. it seems to be cycling through the toggles and im not sure whats going on. i just redid the quest conversion and didnt touch the menus or parameters at all this time and its still doing it any ideas?

[junior void]

Only way to debug this is by using gesture manager in unity and looking through animators and parameters

[cedar verge]

could anyone please help, ive been at this for 4 hours and im not getting anywhere

[somber sequoia]

You'd need to explain what you have done, and what isn't working

[junior void]

You're not really stating the issue

'nothing works' doesn't tell us what you're stuck with, what you're seeing, what you're trying

Screenshots help a lot in many cases

[flint crest]

gang help

\

i been trying

for 5 hours

fucking hell

it been hell

[somber sequoia]

help with what

[flint crest]

it been 5 hours of hell i dont know how to get the avater to work

help

[junior void]

I get you're frustrated but please don't cuss at me. Take a break instead

[flint crest]

i am tweaking

i am not cussing at you

i am insane now

it been 5 hours of hell

my brain hurts

help

i mean help

if you want to you can do it for me

pls

i am tweaking

i cried idk how anymore

[junior void]

Spamming won't help, describe your issue better, show us pictures, tell us what you expect in terms of your avatar that doesn't fulfill your expectations

[flint crest]

if i could call i would i exlpain better by talking

[cedar verge]

sorry guys, ill ss as i go along, ive created a new avatar project, the avatar i bought came with 4 files, quest ver, pc ver, lil toon, and poi toon. they said to upload it in a specific order ( vrcfury, liltoon and poi toon, upload avi and drag it to the hierarchy ) after ive done all of that and everything looks good and the shaders work fine then i go to upload and it says publish failed or avatar failed, ill get an ss of it because im gonna try again now

[junior void]

I'm at work rn so no bueno

[flint crest]

can you help me sir

https://tenor.com/view/ishowspeed-ishowspeed-sped-sped-monkey-fnaf-jumpscare-gif-24611965

pls

[cedar verge]

i deadass need help too stop tweakin

[flint crest]

no

mo

[junior void]

Ok that's good first info. Keep in mind most useful errors will be at console top, not bottom

[flint crest]

i been try to upload one avater for 5 fucking hours

it hell

pure hell

[junior void]

Please take a break

[flint crest]

no

not till

[cedar verge]

ahh okay, they were all at the bottom of the list, red and yellow warnings and errors

[flint crest]

i get this done

i need it done

if anyone want to upload it for me i dont midn

mind

i need help

someone help\

[junior void]

Look for the first 3-5 red ones :)

[flint crest]

it wont work on quest

it ment for quest

[cedar verge]

ykw ill send you an ss when i get the error again, thanks for helping

[flint crest]

can you help

pls

i am being dead ass

can you pls help me

[wicked brook]

in that it works fine its only when a quest players see a pc player using the pc/quest

[junior void]

Are you using the beta/dev version of the sdk maybe?

What about the in-game debug menu, do parameters tweak there?

Also what if you only upload the quest kind without PC?

[wicked brook]

when a quuest player sees another quest player it works perfectly fine but i will have to check the in game debug menu

[cedar verge]

@junior void here's what i see after uploading everything it said in order

[warm grotto]

anyone know where I can ask for help on pcvr problems. im having trouble looking for the channel >.>

[junior void]

I don't see anything out of the ordinary here

[cedar verge]

thats what im saying

but when i go to publish itll say it failed

[somber sequoia]

probably something like #1138891887374237706

[cedar verge]

ill show you

[junior void]

Ok

[cedar verge]

what should i click??

[junior void]

I recommend yes

[somber sequoia]

surprising you didn't get that before

[junior void]

Yea

[cedar verge]

dude

nah im so stupid

[junior void]

Hm?

Now it works?

[cedar verge]

yeah 🥹 🙏

[junior void]

I can only imagine you forgot a dependency

[cedar verge]

bruh i forgot to enable vrcfury for the project

[junior void]

Aha

Yea the error would have shown that too

[cedar verge]

thanks so much for the help and patience

[junior void]

GG tho lol

Np

[cedar verge]

i was quietly losing my shit

now its 6 am for me lmao

[junior void]

Sometimes taking a step back is better than brute forging it :)

[cedar verge]

wise words Zero

[warm grotto]

THANKS

[stoic bobcat]

never do contacts like this but im trying to make spawnable objects that will play an animation when pressed, i tested it with a sender and it just wont play

[ornate stump]

Did you confirm that parameter changed or animator state changed?

[stoic bobcat]

doesnt seem like it is for whatever reason

i put the fx on the prop and animated it while it was there so the animation should still work

[ornate stump]

You don't see parameter change? Does the contact has have correct tag set?

[stoic bobcat]

yup, i have the receiver set to hand,foot and head same with the sender, the parameter is set correctly too

[ornate stump]

Did you test with gesture manager?

[stoic bobcat]

i did something similar with my footsteps but maybe because its a seperate object it just doesnt want to work

[stoic bobcat]

its part of the fx but i dont have the spawning in animation made yet, ill see if that changes anything though

did gesture manager, doesnt seem to find it still

wait

[gentle iris]

is there a way i can make the eyes work? they dont have bones

[ornate stump]

Seem to find?

[stoic bobcat]

i may have forgotten to add it to my parameter list 😭

let me try again

[ornate stump]

You shouldn't add dynamic paramater to parameter list.

[stoic bobcat]

ah

[ornate stump]

It's written right under the contact receiver.

[stoic bobcat]

yeah, idk then, still doesnt seem to find it

i tried bool and float and nothing

[ornate stump]

If you tested with gesture manager then you have to see in its debug tab whether the parameter changed or animator state changed or not.

[stoic bobcat]

ill check that

ill see if I can find videos on it, just doesnt seem to want to work

[ornate stump]

Do you see parameter change?

[stoic bobcat]

nope :/

[ornate stump]

Can you screenshot where you looked at?

[stoic bobcat]

i think i was looking at the debug of the receiver

[ornate stump]

Just screenshot where you look at.

[gentle iris]

anyone able to help?

[ornate stump]

Not the inspector in debug mode. I mean the Gesture Manager in its Debug tab.

[ornate stump]

They don't have bone? Do they have blendshape?

[gentle iris]

i think i would need to make it a blendshape

[tulip radish]

help! for some reason the body clipped the outfit? i edited the body and sculpted it to fit but fdor some reason it did this and the waist blenshape did this too, it wont go back to how i had it in blender 🙁

[ornate stump]

You should make bones since avatar descriptor requires bones for eye look.

[stoic bobcat]

i cant find that, im pretty stupid but i checked this, it is sending it, just not playing the animation for some reason

[gentle iris]

i downloaded the model from sketchfab and it doesnt have a typical rig set up

[ornate stump]

Do you really have gesture manager?

[stoic bobcat]

i do

saw no debug menu

[ornate stump]

Screenshot where you look in the gesture manager.

[ornate stump]

Of course you will have to make some change to the model.

[gentle iris]

ah ok

[stoic bobcat]

nvm found the tab, thought it was in the actual radial menu

[ornate stump]

Hence I said "tab".

[stoic bobcat]

ok

but yeah, its giving me a 1

so its getting it, just not playing my animation

[ornate stump]

Take a look in animator states as well.

[gentle iris]

i has a gesture based toggle, is there a way to have it set to a alt hand?

[ornate stump]

What alt hand?

[gentle iris]

i have particles on my avatars right hand and a alt hand for it is a medigun

[stoic bobcat]

now its playing my sound, still no animation, so ill see whats up with the animation

prob was working the entire time, my animation was prob wrong

[ornate stump]

If you confirmed that animator state correctly does transition then the problem is the animations.

[stoic bobcat]

yeah it is

i forgot to add the sound so the animation is wrong

[ornate stump]

What does it mean it plays the sound but you forgot to add the sound to animation?

[stoic bobcat]

it plays the sound now, confirming it works

before i didnt add sound

im using playaudio

so i forgot to set that part up when I redid it

[gentle iris]

i want to have the particles only work when the medigun is toggled

[ornate stump]

Just put animation toggle for both or any particle you like. It works on Gesture parameter so it doesn't matter where you put the particle on.

[gentle iris]

Ok

[stoic bobcat]

its just so weird, animations are fine it still just doesnt play

[ornate stump]

Do you mean it previews fine?

[stoic bobcat]

previews fine

im messing with it rn seeing if I can fix the issue

[ornate stump]

Can you screenshot the entire screen when previewing it?

[stoic bobcat]

it clearly is playing the blendshape

just isnt actually playing it with the contacts

[ornate stump]

Did you record from the object animator instead of the avatar animator? Because that will make the animation path mismatch when you put the animation into avatar animator.

[stoic bobcat]

maybe? ill try again then

[ornate stump]

When recording, you should record from avatar animator, and make sure that there is no other animator in any other object that steal recording context.

[tulip radish]

how do i make the negative shapekey number tranfer to unity? it sets it back to the original form when exported. i dont know how to fix it

[somber sequoia]

negative? I don't think you can do that

[stoic bobcat]

ive done this before but now I just cant get it to work again, i remember I was told to have the same fx on the object I was trying to animate and it worked before

[ornate stump]

I was told to have the same fx on the object I was trying to animate
This part is wrong. Or rather it requires additional step to make it works.

[stoic bobcat]

thats just so weird because I did it before and it worked 😭

[ornate stump]

You did remember incorrectly then.

[stoic bobcat]

this is what i was told, but im gonna keep trying

[tulip radish]

i have the waist like this, and it wont do keep the shape in unity it reverts to its original

[ornate stump]

You clearly misunderstood. That means "put FX on the avatar animator component". There is nothing saying "Put fx on the object you're trying to animate".

[stoic bobcat]

well thats just weird then, thats what i did before and it worked 😭

[ornate stump]

Likely misremember it or you actually did it differently.

[stoic bobcat]

possibly

[ornate stump]

So saying "I did that and it works" doesn't really matter if you don't actually know how it work.

[stoic bobcat]

yeah :/ im just stumped now, ill keep trying and see if I figure it out

i dont use negative shapekeys though

[ornate stump]

Sorry that wasn't for you.

[ornate stump]

Because you can't use negative shape key outside of blender. You have to create new shapekey with range 0-1 and take blending from the negative shape one.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rRAnDMUbWt8

Or you can ask specific question.

[tulip radish]

i figired out i can Apply Current Shape to Basis!

[ornate stump]

You might have to check other existing shape key if you changed the Basis one.

[tulip radish]

bet

[tulip radish]

i kept it all the same just applied it so it keeps the body shape

[cobalt cloak]

eny idea why the animation is not playing

[ornate stump]

Because condition is "Greater than 1" while the parameter is set to 1.

1 is equal to 1. Not greater than 1.

[cobalt cloak]

hh

ahhh

thx

[somber sequoia]

Make a new shape key from those settings. You can't do negatives in Unity.

[cobalt cloak]

wait which parameter

[lucid nacelle]

hello? can i ask again?

[ornate stump]

Your "a" parameter.

[cobalt cloak]

were

[ornate stump]

"were" what?

[tulip radish]

I did and I placed it right below basis and it would make things go bigger and the waist smaller

[night ember]

Thats not how the view point works

The z axis is for offsetting the rotation point of the head
Yknow how the whole feet start floating when you look down issue happens

[tulip radish]

So I did the apply thing and it kept it, then for some reason the armatures are not assigned correctly either not sure where I went wrong there ;-;

[night ember]

You need to move the literal mesh back

[lucid nacelle]

oh..

[cobalt cloak]

were is it set to 1 here is it on 0

[ornate stump]

Of course the parameter is only in the range between 0 and 1, and it will never be greater than 1 as you set the condition transiton.

[lucid nacelle]

view point was for what because on vrchat doc it said that where the camera is or it didnt really apply to model i used? .w.

First, you'll want to set the view position. This will be where your camera will be positioned in VRChat.

https://creators.vrchat.com/avatars/creating-your-first-avatar/

[cobalt cloak]

ahhh so i have to set it on 0.5 in here

[night ember]

You dont have a humanoid rig

The model offsets from it

[lucid nacelle]

yea that one not humanoid, wait so that statement only applies if its humanoid?

[ornate stump]

Maybe. Do you actually need the parameter type to be float?

[night ember]

Thats not what that sentence means at all

[cobalt cloak]

dose a bool work as an toggle

[ornate stump]

Obviously bool is meant for a 2-states toggle.

[cobalt cloak]

ye state one outline off state 2 on

[lucid nacelle]

okie let me try move the entire mesh back, a side question too after that, the collision "capsule" didnt worked i still can partially phase into wall, let me take screenshot

[cobalt cloak]

but how do set that up

[night ember]

Bool > on or off
Int > whole number value between 0 and 256
Float > decimal values up to 8 bits of space
Like 0.0000001 or 10000000.1 etc (not exact values but you get it)

[cobalt cloak]

okay thx

[ornate stump]

It's just "true" and "false" value. It's obvious once you take a look at it.

[night ember]

You do realoze the player capsule is a set size right? Not controlled by avatars in the slightest

[cobalt cloak]

so i need one ture animation and one false animation

[lucid nacelle]

oh? wait so what the collision section for? like the one for body, torso, head, etc

[ornate stump]

You already have those though.

[cobalt cloak]

yes

[night ember]

Contacts and physbones

[lucid nacelle]

okiee

[lucid nacelle]

about the "Yknow how..." im not sure what you mean here? i havent seen it

[cobalt cloak]

why is that still not doing somting

[ornate stump]

Clearly you didn't have transition going into the other state.

[cobalt cloak]

.

[night ember]

Generic rig avatars have absolutely no tracking whatsoever

[ornate stump]

Is that you just added after I pointed out?

[cobalt cloak]

its only in play like that

[cobalt cloak]

i didnt

[night ember]

If you had an actual humanoid rigged model
The head bone would be dragged around by the view point (well specifically inverse kinematic tracked to it aka ik tracked)

[ornate stump]

Test again then.

[lucid nacelle]

i see, okie!

[ornate stump]

Did you actually set condition in the out going state?

[night ember]

The viewpoint is always center of the player
Anything on the same level or above the tracked armature will always have the same offset from the center
Since your mesh is the model and its at 0,0,0 then itll be dead center of you

Youd need to drag the mesh back compared to the root of the avatar (where the avatar descriptor is)

[ornate stump]

Make sure that you have the right FX controller in avatar descriptor.

[cobalt cloak]

i only have 1

[ornate stump]

Can you screenshot it?

The playable layer assignment.

[lucid nacelle]

okie (wait a bit, okay, booting my windows vm)

[lucid nacelle]

can i influence the "Y" axis of where the view is by moving the "view orb" up and down intuinitively without unexpected side effect?

[ornate stump]

Might be some vrc fury doing. Can you disable vrcfury and test?

[night ember]

The y axis is the height of the model

Its also what the scaling ingame tracks

[lucid nacelle]

okie, thank you.

im still waiting for unity editor to start .w.

[cobalt cloak]

how? can you do that

[ornate stump]

Usually just remove every vrcfury component from your avatar.

[cobalt cloak]

ah i thought there was a button

[lucid nacelle]

im in editor now and moved the mesh back, so the avatar descriptor 0, 0, 0 is where my cursor is

like this? @night ember

[cobalt cloak]

okay i did and its still not working

[ornate stump]

Now there is modular avatar too. So try disabling it as well.

[cobalt cloak]

were do you see that i am blind

[ornate stump]

NDMF is a framework modular avatar is using.

[cobalt cloak]

is that not bc of the play mode i use avi emulator

[balmy barn]

you not gonna toggle anything with that

[ornate stump]

Of course i'm not talking about avi emulator.

Avi emulator is for testing avatar in unity. Modular avatar is for preprocess your avatar. They're different tool for different jobs.

[ornate stump]

Problem is that transition is somehow missing when entering play mode.

[left wharf]

if you are using NDMF-based optimization tool like AAO, try disable them in ndmf debug window

[cobalt cloak]

so i have now removed avatar modular from the project. and test it again

[lucid nacelle]

it works properly now, thank you people!

[cobalt cloak]

okay the transition is back but now i get that error

[ornate stump]

Try delete and recreate the transitions

[cobalt cloak]

both

[ornate stump]

Of course do both.

[cobalt cloak]

still same problem but no error only the missing parameters in expression

[ornate stump]

Screenshot the parameter list in parameter file again.

[ornate stump]

Can you screenshot the entire screen again when this show up?

[ornate stump]

Does that show up when you disable modular avatar?

[lucid nacelle]

last question, is this all i need in texture settings if i want to preserve pixels as it is (on blennder it would be simple as setting texture interpolation to "closest")

because thats all i can find relating to texture which is setting compression to none, resizing one i choose random, max size be same size as texture and point filter and uncheck generaten mipmap

is there anything else i missed?

[cobalt cloak]

yes

[ornate stump]

Make sure that the parameter name are exactly matching and doesn't have any trailing space.

[night ember]

Also disable mipmaps or it loses quality over distance

[lucid nacelle]

okie i disabled it

[ornate stump]

Make sure that your texture image size is power of 2. Or you have to disable NPOT scaling in the above option.

[lucid nacelle]

is it the generate mipmaps right?

okay its already power of two (1024x1024 because i like round numbers when making textures)

[night ember]

Yes

[cobalt cloak]

in the paramters (animatior) and paramater Nova are the same

[ornate stump]

In the menu file too.

[lucid nacelle]

okie i did all of that, so im good now? for options that i have to keep in mind if i want to preserve pixels as it is?

[ornate stump]

Mipmap generation should be enabled when texture size is greater than 32 px.

[cobalt cloak]

yes

[lucid nacelle]

i cant enable it or else it be blurry like this (recreation in blender, and it goes both way too, so i kind of need it to be exact pixels)

there seems to be no "closest" resizing for the resizing algorithmn

[ornate stump]

You should use smaller texture with texture size be power of 2. Large texture without mipmapping has huge performance penalty.

[lucid nacelle]

i see

[grand yew]

i hate phys bones ;-;

[lucid nacelle]

okay then can i give my own textures for each resolution? so i can "avoid" the scaling blurry artifacts?

[ornate stump]

Yes. But I don't know any existing tool for that.

[balmy barn]

if you want your textures to be super sharp try setting these on your texture

unity like to smear things

[lucid nacelle]

okie because i can externally use None interpolation for scaling up and down if there only Mitchell, and (Bilinear? not sure but its definitely not None/Closest/Nearest) .w.

in unity editor cuz i need the none scaling equivalent in unity editor ;w;

(also my bad it wasnt 1024x1024, its 512x512, i forgot i resized it a while ago)

[timber wharf]

point filtering

[lucid nacelle]

i used it

[ornate stump]

How is it actually look like now?

[lucid nacelle]

but under the "Resize Algorithmn" there no option for "Point"

[timber wharf]

scaling itself is done with interpolation afaik. so if you need to also scale src texture down first then youd need to do that externally yes

[ornate stump]

Resize Algorithm is for when the texture get resized to match with Power of 2 size, or scale down to fit max size.

[timber wharf]

tho its rare for pixelated textures to require scaling down

[lucid nacelle]

okie so for my case of its already power of 2, i can ignore that one?

[ornate stump]

Yes.

[lucid nacelle]

oh

[timber wharf]

sure, if you dont need to scale it down then unity wont do a thing to it

[lucid nacelle]

let me boot my windows vm... to see

[ornate stump]

You could just see the result in unity.

[lucid nacelle]

my unity is in windows vm

(i ran linux as host)

[left wharf]

why don't you run on native Linux?

[lucid nacelle]

i cant find VCC for Linux

(vrchat creator companion)

vcc doesnt run in wine .w. because edge broken in wine

[left wharf]

ALCOM is a better alternative then

[lucid nacelle]

ALCOM?

[left wharf]

https://vrc-get.anatawa12.com/en/alcom/

[lucid nacelle]

okiee!

okie it work well, thank you all

[ornate stump]

And you should still have to use texture compression. At least set to high quality.

[lucid nacelle]

okie, it looked like it doesnt affect pixels in anyway, so its not jpg like lossy compression? (so no artifacts like png lossless, i set it to high quality)

[ornate stump]

It's lossy and usually can be seen at diagonal line if you look very closely.

But there is no one actually take a look that close enough to complain.

[lucid nacelle]

good, that is good lossy compression

unlike jpg (which did it horribly and create pixel vomits around relatively flat area) :3

and how good is 214 triangles in excellent performance rank?

[ornate stump]

Pretty much nothing.

[lucid nacelle]

okie thank you, let me fix my other avatar with something you all told me today, cuz the other one kind of exact same settings i set before you suggest changes

this is the other one that i did successfully on second attempt of creating it

(its silly flat hehe)
and again thank you for the help :3

[grand yew]

whyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy

[balmy barn]

check blender, looks like oddly parented bones

[grand yew]

so i put those bones there but in blender they look fine

and theres a bunch of bones missing

[balmy barn]

doesnt look very centered in finger mesh and what are these

anyway try pose more and move every one see if it behaves

[slim osprey]

Can i get help here regarding questions related to booth avatars and such?

[ornate stump]

You could just ask the question. At least we will see whether it's relevant or not.

[slim osprey]

Do booth avis like Komano come with skintone color scalers / hue?

[ornate stump]

No.

[slim osprey]

Hm do you know how I can add that then? Also for Komani avatar I cant really see the base model on the booth webpage, any idea where I can see what this model looks like naked?

[ornate stump]

It's pretty much same method as every other avatar. There is no public preview for totally naked.

[slim osprey]

Thats honestly a shame because the light brown skintone picture on booth for him is pretty cool, I wish I could see the base model tho... Now I gotta stick with either hanka or rei...

[scenic ether]

So I have this eyes closed expression but whenever I move my head/eyes or sometimes just by default the eyes don't fully close, however in the animator tab when I preview the animation the eyes are fully closed

( Left is preview of animation / Right is game view with eyes looking up )

[ornate stump]

How about set eye look up with less angle?

[scenic ether]

Errr? Sorry I don't understand

[ornate stump]

Eye look in avatar descriptor.

[ornate stump]

Make the angle shallower.

[scenic ether]

So drop Looking up from -7 to like, -5 maybe?

[ornate stump]

Try to see the result yourself.

[scenic ether]

Na, if I still move my mouse up or if my eyes are looking up, still breaks kinda

[ornate stump]

Make it even shallower.

[scenic ether]

Heres -1

[ornate stump]

Are you sure it's eye looking up, not down?

[scenic ether]

In game view, when I move my mouse up the eyes are shown despite the eyes closed animation so yeah

[ornate stump]

When head is up, usually the eye will look down.

[scenic ether]

Then I'm not too sure

[ornate stump]

Did you also change looking down angle?

[scenic ether]

Just changed both up and down to 0, same issue

[ornate stump]

How is it look like when just looking straight in game?

[scenic ether]

They close normally

[ornate stump]

If you change all angle to zero, do the eye still move?

[scenic ether]

It's usually when I like, have my head tilted back or looking up, so my eyes are still looking up when my head moves down, since theres a bit of delay between eyes being re-updated to the head, and if I close my eyes during that moment is when it breaks, since from what I can see the eyelids also move based on where the eye is looking

[scenic ether]

I don't think its the eye, I think its the animation moving the eyelids with the eye

I can grab a quick video if you want