avatar-help

[gaunt knoll]

Do you only have one drive

[mystic basin]

no i have a d drive too with 1 tb available

[gaunt knoll]

Where are your avis

[mystic basin]

d drive

im gonna try a complete reinstall of unity

[gaunt knoll]

It won't work your going to have to delete something on your C: drive

Move some photos or something to the other drive

[mystic basin]

the only thing on my c drive is windows and program files

ykw at this point i might just need a whole new pc lol

[slow hawk]

How do you fix visemes disabling themself whenever you put in the action layer

[gaunt knoll]

Are you on a pc or a laptop

[mystic basin]

pc

[gaunt knoll]

It's not hard to slap another SSD on it and download windows

[mystic basin]

this is true.,..

[gaunt knoll]

And cheaper than buying a whole new one

[junior void]

See what's in that layer

[slow hawk]

Something specific I need to look at/for?

[mystic basin]

okay so its definitely the sdk causing it. i just made a project with nothing in it in unity hub and it's fine

[junior void]

Probably things using visemes parameters or looking like visemes setup of sorts

Anything logically able to interfere

[gaunt knoll]

You redownload unity so it doesn't have anything cash you anything

It's a only a temporary solution to your problem

[slow hawk]

Not finding anything that uses visemes

[junior void]

In that case make 2-4 copies of this layer, delete half in one, a quarter in the next, three quarters in another

Eventually you'll delete what causes it

I can't suggest anything else without having it myself

[slow hawk]

Is there a chance the AFK animation I put in is causing it? If it is how would I know if its affecting visemes

[junior void]

No idea I never touched afk anim

But never say never

[gaunt knoll]

Do you have Gogo added

[slow hawk]

Yes? Originally didn't but I wanted to see if it would work if I put it in the Gogo loco action layer instead and even then it still broke

[gaunt knoll]

Can't be the afk animation then gogo doesn't stop that from working

[verbal anchor]

anyone know how to fix this?

wont let me upload it cs of that

[junior void]

Really just read the message

[verbal anchor]

ok ive read it lol

but

i cant figure out how to fix it. i dont MAKE avatars

[gaunt knoll]

Probably content the person who made the Avi then

[verbal anchor]

i js deleted sps ad it worked

thanks for all the help everybody

[slow hawk]

Isolated the AFK for action layer and it might actually be the AFK ..? Still don't know how to resolve it either way though

[delicate orbit]

i want to make a particle beam where when it hits something in the world, it plays an explosion. ive never done particles so i dont know if the beam is even colliding because the beam is going through the cube as seen in the picture but the sub emitter shows it is. i have the sub emitter working and it plays the particle but the particle is at the beams particle orgin instead of where the collision is.'

[fluid pebble]

does anyone here know rigging in blender?

[gaunt knoll]

Yes and no this isn't the correct channel #avatar-rigging

[gaunt knoll]

Also don't ask to ask

[fluid pebble]

wdym

[fluid pebble]

thank you!

[gaunt knoll]

Your asking to ask
What you should say is
does anyone here know rigging in blender? I'm having problems with rigging the head to the body something like that

Because it would be quicker you getting your answer to your question

[fluid pebble]

i fixed it in the avatar rigging lol thank you

[gaunt knoll]

Amazing if I could hand out little golden stars I would

[somber sequoia]

maybe show the rigging here

[stable isle]

basically, there's two breast bones on the left and right, which are parented to a center root bone.
then there's 2 "fabric bones" between the 2 breasts that control the fabric on the edges. Those fabric bones are parented dynamically between the target bones and the breasts.

[somber sequoia]

ah, missed that before, thanks. Do you actually need the extra bones here?

oh unzipped. Interesting.

[stable isle]

yes.

• if the bodysuit is closed and weight painted, the fabric will clip into the body when it's left open
• if the bodysuit is open and weight painted, the fabric will bind to the breasts and ruin the "zipper seam" in the middle.

doing this method (which other creators have done) fixes this issue by dynamically parenting the "seam" to the breasts about halfway through the zipping animation to make sure it works in both situations

[somber sequoia]

hmm are you saying the parent constraint causes physbones to not work?

[stable isle]

no...?

[somber sequoia]

ok then I'm not sure I understand what's not working, sorry

[stable isle]

the system works fine. the fabric bones parent and de-parent themselves from the breasts fine.

what i was wnating to do was add an extra feature that rotates the fabric bones with the physbones of the breasts, so that they don't just look "static" in the middle of the chest.

[somber sequoia]

So rotation constraints with the physbones as the source?

[stable isle]

that was the plan yea

[molten pulsar]

hey i made a particle effect and a shader for vrchat they work as intended when im the original size/scale. but if i use the ingame scale option they dont scale properly. does anyone know why that is ?

[somber sequoia]

in the particle system, try setting scaling to "hierarchy"

[molten pulsar]

ahhh makes sense. do you know about the shader effect ? its a fake bloom effect for the headlights. but if i scale they bug out

[somber sequoia]

with only this picture to go on, I'm not sure I can help

Looks neat though

[thorn furnace]

okay now the viewports in my chest

why 😭

[rancid ginkgo]

I saw this last night when i worked on the avatar, so just remove the sps and it should work

[verbal anchor]

i removed the sps and when i got on and wore the avi my body was all kinds of messed up

[gaunt knoll]

scammer
(they gone)

[rancid ginkgo]

What was messed up ? If you don’t mind me asking.

[gaunt knoll]

yea

oh

ummm delete everything then you can upload it

jk

#quest-optimization

read whats in here

lots of people have asked the same thing

[near charm]

New avatar new problems I guess but I can't for the life of me figure out why this isn't working :(

[near charm]

I fixed it and I don't even know how

[somber sequoia]

gotta love those

[civic sinew]

Heyo im back i just got a new booth model (hanka) and the lighting on it is overly bright, how do i fix this?

[junior void]

Perhaps it's the scene light

[civic sinew]

yea it was i just fixed it lol

[primal wind]

To anyone who does VRCFT with VRCFury on their avatars, can somebody explain to me how to get “disable face gestures” working?

[somber sequoia]

It sets a variable which you then have to integrate into however you do face gestures on your avatar

I forget the variable name you can look at the menu item to find it

[willow skiff]

If anyone has an idea why the prefab just stopped working with meshes it'd be nice if you could tell me the fix for it

[primal wind]

Could you explain more?

How would I integrate it?

[somber sequoia]

put it as a condition for whatever transitions you use in your gesture layer

like where it checks which gesture number, add this parameter as a condition. I forget if it's an "enable" or a "disable" parameter, so you'd have to look at that

I don't have unity open at the moment

[willow skiff]

nevermind, managed to figure it out👌

[gaunt knoll]

amazing

[willow skiff]

twas a corrupted fbx as all i did was reopen a fresh blender file of it and now it works

[spark walrus]

i need help with hair

and how i put av in vr chat

[lime summit]

ok so a new problem of mine my vrcsdk dont want to work and now askin for vrcavatar discriptor which i have

[silk jacinth]

Very random question— say I enjoy one of the default avatars in VRChat. Like the teddy thing in the longsleeve tee or maybe the little chili pepper. Are these available themselves for purchase to acquire the model to edit at all or?

[gaunt knoll]

i believe they are

[spark walrus]

someone knows create a av?

[night ember]

many people know how to make avatars yes?

[spark walrus]

idk

[spark walrus]

u know?

[night ember]

why

[spark walrus]

because i want create a av, but i cant

i need help

[night ember]

then actually state the issue

[spark walrus]

uh

all?

[night ember]

"all" is in fact not an issue

[spark walrus]

idk how create a av

NOTHIN

[night ember]

#avatar-development-links

[spark walrus]

no

i have app

but idk

how i create

understand??

[night ember]

its almost as if you actually went to the guide linked there it could help you

[spark walrus]

i cant understand

how do i fix this?

[clever cloak]

Hi again, still working on the quest verion of the avatar, and I noticed it has a material on the face called "face_transparent" does anyone know what this would do?

it has a seperate material loaded in but i see no difference

none of the shader settings on face_transparent affect anything on the avatar

[gaunt knoll]

for your different eye textures and expressions

[clever cloak]

Oh i see, i should keep that enabled then

[tough marsh]

could someone help me w setting up 2nd arms in unity? fully rigged n stuff, just got no idea how to sync em with the first set

[gaunt knoll]

yeee

[tough marsh]

in need if anyone can

[somber rover]

The avatars my friend uploads act weird, Their legs dont animate when walking around irl but do when theyre using their joystick to move. Can someone help :(

[somber sequoia]

#creator-companion probably

[somber sequoia]

rotation constraints, one for each bone

[dusty monolith]

how do i fix this? does its in gesture manager too but not the animation tab

[gaunt knoll]

can you posed this in #3d-modeling

[somber sequoia]

what is "this"? what are we looking for?

[dusty monolith]

in the animation the body jumps back

ingame it kinda just floats

in place

[somber sequoia]

does it work in the game?

a lot of animations don't really show very well in unity's play mode

[dusty monolith]

the first video is in the game and it wont actually jump back

[stable isle]

why? it's a unity problem, nothing about 3d modeling...

[somber sequoia]

oh I see

[dusty monolith]

here is a better angle

[gaunt knoll]

can you try again but without gogo?

[dusty monolith]

yea one sec

[dusty monolith]

didnt work

i got it

i had to select some stuff

[gaunt knoll]

root motion?

we have this come up kinda a lot what did you do to fix it?

[tough marsh]

yea the arms wont work with rotation constraints herp

[gaunt knoll]

how did you set it up does the other set of arms have armature

[somber sequoia]

you'd need to provide detail if you want help

[hard turtle]

i made this thingy

in blender

its 2.6k polys

[somber sequoia]

looks good!

[lapis aurora]

does anyone know why setting values to 0, 0 ,0 here doesn't put the pupil in the same as the base state?

what can cause this? Is it because my head bone isn't pointing straight up? could it be something else? I've been struggling getting the simulated eye looking to be proper

[somber sequoia]

Are your eye bones perfectly straight up, and have 0 bone roll?

[lapis aurora]

they're at the same angle as the head - so no

[somber sequoia]

that ^ assumes they are

[somber sequoia]

sorry, which is the eye bone?

[lapis aurora]

the highlighted one

[somber sequoia]

that's a strange place

[lapis aurora]

it's SUPER far away because of how strange his eyes are

the consequences of prey eyes

[somber sequoia]

the bone's head should be at the center of rotation - perhaps it is here, but it doesn't seem like that would be

[lapis aurora]

that highlighted one controls the opposite eye, by the way

if i didn't do this, slight rotations would cause the pupil to clip into the eye

[somber sequoia]

You may have to make proxy eye bones driven by VRChat and the IK, and use rotation constraints to drive your real ones off those.

[lapis aurora]

even when i set the bones to be straight up (like so), 0,0,0 still has the eyes clip out

[somber sequoia]

You didn't mention bone roll - have you verified that's 0 also?

[lapis aurora]

it is

[somber sequoia]

k, good, that's a thing that's commonly missed

[lapis aurora]

is having the head bone not straight up an issue? It was a while since i set this model up. im trying to adjust it and clean it up now since i got a headset recently

so i forgot a lot of the reasons for certain things

[somber sequoia]

I'm not sure, I don't think I've tried it

[lapis aurora]

yes, that seems to be the cause actually

let me try somethin...

[arctic ginkgo]

I would definitely have both your head and eye bones pointing straight up

[somber sequoia]

yep, so would I

[pallid gazelle]

having this error everytime i try to upload my avi. ive uploaded several in the past and ive never had this issue before.

[somber sequoia]

make sure you've logged in with the right account, maybe try restarting Unity

[pallid gazelle]

oh my fucking god im so stupid...

i was in gesture manager testing.. im so sorry 😂

its been a long day

[somber sequoia]

aha!

that'd do it

[dusky walrus]

How do people make tongues that can wiggle outside the mouth if they use blendshapes for lip sync? If I were to do that, the tongue would just clip through the chin while the mouth is open right?

I know how to rig physbones, how to toggle objects, I just don't know how to make the tongue thing compatible with lip sync :<

[somber sequoia]

Yeah that's tricky to get right. The face tracking stuff might be a decent example of just how complicated stuff like this can be, stacking up a bunch of things that all affect the same area

I got working on a tongue piercing, and haven't quite got it right for similar reasons - a few of the face tracking shape keys stacked up together are really tricky to deal with

[clever cloak]

quick question about uv mapping for an avatar

my avatar is in ken mode, no nipples, which looks weird. but for the pc version if i add the texture under main 2 and switch to uv 2 they are there

how can i make it so they just appear on all uv layers

and are there by default

as its either that or i hand photoshop edit the texture the best I can (not well lol)

[somber sequoia]

not sure what you mean - do you want to copy UV islands from one layer to another?
Or apply the second texture as an overlay?

[clever cloak]

ill record a quick video explaining one sec

ok weird

video didn't fully record

[somber sequoia]

yeah I don't have a clue what it is you're demoing there

[clever cloak]

ok photoshop it is then

im not sure how to describe it other than likle

my mesh only renders the nipples if its set to uv 2 or 3 on the liltoon shader settings

which the quest shader has no option for

[somber sequoia]

Probably go into blender and see what's what on the UV map. Maybe those parts are there? Maybe they aren't but could be added? Maybe it requires a second material?

[clever cloak]

the uv map looks like this, its a bit strange

the nipples are not on the chest but above it

[somber sequoia]

yeah that's fine, especially if they're intended to be a toggle

Probably it's overlayed mesh?

[clever cloak]

yeah

[somber sequoia]

makes sense to me

[clever cloak]

that only seems to activate on uv layers 2 and 3

[somber sequoia]

UV choice doesn't "activate" mesh

[clever cloak]

ah

im rather confused about how all of this works

I just want the texture to use them, but when i use the texture they don't show up

[somber sequoia]

all the UV map does is map texture to 3D surface

maybe the texture you are using doesn't have that part?

[clever cloak]

it does, i exported a custom version

and it works on the pc version with the uv set to 2

[somber sequoia]

ok well you can copy UV2 to UV0 if you want, or just re-order them

[clever cloak]

they only show up if i use uv2 on here on specifically main color 2nd

[somber sequoia]

blender's tools for doing this kinda suck, I use add ons, but you can at least re-order them

oh I don't know how that shader works at all so can't help you there

no idea how that 2nd color part is used

[clever cloak]

to re order the mesh would i need to backport my avatar into blender and then set that up and re export it all

[gaunt knoll]

just slap them on for the quest

[clever cloak]

yeah i think i have to photoshop it, seems the easiest

[gaunt knoll]

yeah

[clever cloak]

just hope it looks normal lol

[surreal salmon]

I am adding seats to my avi via game object (seat station) box colder set as trigger.
An I want to controle its rotation and positioning on all axis but when I try to use animations to do this I can only do position on 1 axis and rotation on 1 axis . Anyone know why this might be and what a good work around would be?

I make each axis controlled with its own animated Toggle btw

Seat works in general but it's impotent to me to have all options possible

[clever cloak]

in unity when i get my camera close it hides the avatar

can i change it so that doesn't happen

as i want to zoom in close to get the texture right in photoshop

[gaunt knoll]

Yeah you can at the top of the scene where the gimmicks toggle is there a camera recorder

Click that and turn off dynamic clipping

@clever cloak

[clever cloak]

that worked thatnks

*thanks

[clever cloak]

ok quest version i think is up lfg

that took a while

[blazing garnet]

Hey there, I'm having trouble making objects move alongside physbones I create.
For context, I have been making items in blender (with armatures attached to them) and it works fine (or so it seems) in blender. The object is parented to the armature. (File attached if you would like to look at it).
When I load it up in Unity and attach it to my character, after setting up the physbones (and checking in play mode it works), I find that the object itself doesn't move, but the physbone wiggles around as intended.

Thanks in advance.

I have asked the AI and watched tutorials on physbones but they don't seem to have a case of my exact scenario. I'm not sure how to both attach the item to a bodypart's movement while making it a physbone.

[clever cloak]

damn nvm

[blazing garnet]

RIP

[clever cloak]

time for the least fun part

finding what the hell is taking up the space

my textures are 2mb

so it shouldn't be that

[blazing garnet]

Too many vertices, mayhaps. May need to go through the meatgrinder of Blendr and smooth out some spots

[clever cloak]

i got polytool so ill use that

[blazing garnet]

Ah.

[clever cloak]

this is without any assets on it at all so i gotta compress it as much as possible

as i wanna add the fishing rod and like coin flip on etc

[swift mango]

question, are pasties considered NSFW??

or suggestive

[clever cloak]

id say nsfw but im no expert

[swift mango]

oke ty

[surreal salmon]

Imagine textures can have pixels count reduced. Helps significantly but looks worse

Click on image used for materials and ittle be shown in inspector. U can override this near the bottom

[clever cloak]

my textures take up a total of 2mb i already compress them a ton

im decimating rn

it is crazy how good polytool works for how quick it is

one of these has 100k less tris than the other

it can mess up some blendshapes tho, thats the downside

and obv its not as good as manually in blender

but idk blender and im lazy so this is perfect

ok 100k less tris and that only cut it by 1 mb lmao

seems its something else

this is the pc version for comparrison with the others

id say they all look close enough

[modern wolf]

Hi, help me, what should I do? I tried downloading an avatar for the first time and there's a problem: there are no bones.

[left gull]

highly suggest looking into Thry's avatar performance tool, its pretty good at tellin you whats taking up the most space

[clever cloak]

yea i use that as well

[left gull]

where'd you get the model

[clever cloak]

it alas doesn't work with the lac texture compressor i use, since that only activates at build

so it still shows the super high count

[swift mango]

thats now how its supposed to look like, are u sure u got the original files?

[modern wolf]

https://sketchfab.com/3d-models/vrchat-manuka-413cd0207c3346a8858c5410e331ed7d

[swift mango]

yea thats not the original model

[left gull]

yikes

[clever cloak]

ah sketchfab moment

[left gull]

go get the real one, thats a leaked model

[clever cloak]

yeah

[modern wolf]

I downloaded from the first site

[left gull]

https://booth.pm/en/items/5058077

this is the legitimate site

[somber sequoia]

wow bold of them to post that on sketchfab

[swift mango]

u beat me to it

and i work with manukas, damn

[left gull]

i use manuka alot so ive got it bookmarked heh

[clever cloak]

manuka also has mochifitter which is awesome

[swift mango]

x2 but i dont have it bookmarked :p

[clever cloak]

if you find an avatar of that quality for free, like 90% chance its stolen lol

and then won't work properly

[swift mango]

im currently reworking the public manuka i had, removing the pasties from selections

since its nsfw

[clever cloak]

if its a public then yea pasties is a bit risky id wager

i have no idea what the community at large consideres nsfw tho

none of my friends really interact with that side of the game at all

[left gull]

public manuka

[swift mango]

its been up for 3 years without issues, but since someone is spam reporting my avis lately, ive been getting banned for it tho it doesnt have nsfw textures, so im narrowing down the chances to the pasties or the menu button that said NSFW is for private only

[left gull]

you cant have manuka as public per its TOU

[clever cloak]

ah thatd be it lol

[gaunt knoll]

The new rules when it comes to public avis must not have anything nsfw in the mesh or textures

[clever cloak]

id assume most booth avatars dont allow publics, all the ones ive seen have it against the rules

[left gull]

yeah 99% of them dont

[clever cloak]

so yes its good to not have the nsfw, but that may not be the issue at large here

[swift mango]

yea but since my avi didnt have textures im assuming its either the pasties or the menu button with that word even tho it was non functional

[left gull]

you're likely getting hit with spam reports since you're breaking the model's TOU

[gaunt knoll]

Just make sure that all of it is gone I don't think the pasties would matter

[left gull]

wouldnt be surprised if you get hit with DMCAs next

[clever cloak]

yea id guess its someone who works on manuka or that side of booth issuing the takedowns

i know they are pretty strict about it with booth avatars. a lot of the public ones ive seen or friends have used get sniped regularly

[gaunt knoll]

Yep they took down the whole community of rusks

All of them

Now you will barely see any in the wild

[swift mango]

its not that tbh

[clever cloak]

Here's Manuka's TOS

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1QxPH35idalnqYYCs9zS9DDuTvhNSfnOv/view

[swift mango]

its a personal "beef" with someone after i exposed him for doing things its not worth talking here

[swift mango]

that's Komado applying DMCA to vrchat making all rusk, karin, mint, chocolats, chiffons etc being taken down from public

[clever cloak]

ok this is i think the one

sharing a public

prohibited

the prasing is a bit confusing

but i think thats what this means. uploading a public

[left gull]

bypassing a model's tou is gonna get your account in trouble even if the original reason they got removed by moderation was false

[clever cloak]

yeah

[swift mango]

theres a ton of public rindo/manukas

[clever cloak]

heres the full chart

[clever cloak]

yea and they keep getting taken down over time and new ones go up

[left gull]

just because someone is comitting piracy doesnt make it okay or right to do

lmao

[swift mango]

JINGO (creator of selestia, rindo, manuka, etc) stated hes "fine" with it as long as people are not selling the modified base on booth or other sites, he is in his right to endorse DMCA any time but he doesnt really care or is too lazy to enforce it like komano (or whatever hes called), but of course he can do it any time and hes in his right

[clever cloak]

thats not what im seeing in the models direct terms of service

it says here pretty clearly no redistribution

[swift mango]

of course not because thats a copy paste of tos that everyone uses on booth

ik jingo ive seen him in vrchat

and he was fine with me using the manuka i made public

so

[left gull]

if you legitimately bought that model and are actively breaking the TOU you agreed to you've forfeited your rights to and are commiting piracy, which is illegal and vrchat will ban you for doing

likeee

[clever cloak]

in that case id take it up with the official vrchat support. but you'd need it in legal writing from Jingo

otherwise it'll probably keep happening

[swift mango]

the avi was taken down for nsfw not dmca

and again, jingo is aware of my avis lol

if anyone hes the one that should be taking them down for breaking tos, but he doesnt care

[clever cloak]

i guess if thats the case upload it without the pasties or menu stuff and see if it happens again

i feel like ive regularly seen crazier stuff than pasties but better safe than sorry

[swift mango]

its been up for years, was taken down for nsfw, but the other versions are totally fine

[left gull]

pretty sure he's mentioned in the past that he wanted to step away from the avatar scene because of the fact so many people werent following rules

thats prolly why they told you they dont care

doesnt change any legal terms you agreed to

[clever cloak]

none of us here are either copyright/dmca experts or jingo himself so none of us can say for sure

[swift mango]

he in person said he didnt care*

[clever cloak]

we can only advise you on the tos

[swift mango]

im aware

thats why when i found him in a creator meetup and he was there in 2023 i aproached and asked

(with translator because japanesse)

[clever cloak]

i dont think vrchat (the moderation/platform) really cares if he just vocally said he doesn't mind. thats not exactly legally binding

i feel like a redditor answering like this lol

[swift mango]

yea tbh lmao

[left gull]

and promoting or supporting avatar term breakage deff isnt something you should do in this server

pretty sure it breaks a #rules

[clever cloak]

sorry, i gotta say it since the official vrchat discord server isn't really the best place to talk about tos violations

[somber sequoia]

It's a good place to discuss understanding the rules though

[clever cloak]

im neither for nor against publics of avatars, i used to use them before i knew you could buy them

yea, a server about booth or like an offshoot vrchat avatar creator server might be able to provide more specific help

[swift mango]

tbh is it really a tos break if the author himself authorized me to do it in the 1st place :p

[clever cloak]

im not in any so i can't help with that though

[swift mango]

ill just leave it there tbh no need to continue

[clever cloak]

unless you have that in full legal documentation yes it is

[somber sequoia]

I'd suspect Grizzly's case wouldn't hold up in court... but if it were actually in court the copyright holder would be there and if they say fine, then it's fine

[clever cloak]

yeah

[swift mango]

time to revive jingo

jk

[somber sequoia]

haha

[swift mango]

tbh i came for a totally different topic

[clever cloak]

i wonder if vrchat has like

[swift mango]

im not here to argue

[clever cloak]

flagged avatars

that if they see reports for avatars using this base etc, it prioritizes them

[swift mango]

they do, komado did it

[clever cloak]

as i wouldnt be surprised if they had a system to automate reportings of public booth avatars

[swift mango]

thats why u dont see public chocolat/chiffon/rusks/mints/karins etc

https://komado.booth.pm

[clever cloak]

yeah

[swift mango]

he did a dmca on vrchat and now if you upload one of his bases as a public avatar, it gets taken down really fast

[clever cloak]

oh i remember rusk, i saw that base wayy back in an old vket

[swift mango]

yea, its a komado's base

[clever cloak]

i miss old vket worlds, i wish they were archived somewhere

[swift mango]

so many fun rusks were taken down it was a shame

i had a bunch i liked

meme ones

[clever cloak]

anyway back to finding out what in my avatar is causing it to be 15mb

[somber sequoia]

Thry's avatar tools is a good way to find out

[clever cloak]

yea, looks like its the meshes

[somber sequoia]

damn that's a LOT of meshes.

[clever cloak]

shame as if i shrink the body and face meshes any more it breaks the blendshapes

[swift mango]

was bout to sy that

cant u combine meshes?

[somber sequoia]

unused blendshapes take up lots of space

[swift mango]

on blender

[clever cloak]

yes but i do not know how to use blender, and don't have it in me to learn rn

[gaunt knoll]

And in unity

I have something

[swift mango]

also textures seems very expensive aswell

[somber sequoia]

welcome to very poor land.

[swift mango]

are u running 2K on everything?

[clever cloak]

nope

textures im compressing

2mb

[swift mango]

its not just compressing

compressing reduces size but not vram size

[clever cloak]

the lac tool

[swift mango]

for that u need to change resolutions

[clever cloak]

yea that as well

the vac tool does that

[swift mango]

what resolution are your AO textures?

[clever cloak]

*lac

[gaunt knoll]

#avatar-help message

[swift mango]

i always keep those at 512x512 since theyre not really used

[gaunt knoll]

Here goose

[swift mango]

depends on the map

[clever cloak]

oh cool ill check that out

[swift mango]

also masks

[clever cloak]

tbh im not sure, which ones are those again

[swift mango]

if theyre simple mask keep them 256 - 512

they normally end with AO in the name

[clever cloak]

i run all the textures through lac which takes care of all of them

[swift mango]

u should still manually check the textures

using thry's av evaluator

[clever cloak]

the lac thing only applies at build so the textures still say they are large

[swift mango]

i manually check and adjusts textures

eh..

[clever cloak]

ill disable lac and see the avatar size after

[swift mango]

id suggest doing it manually, so u know what your doing

i dont like automated tools

[clever cloak]

id rather use tools

[swift mango]

at most i use modular for gimmicks/blendshape syncs and vrcfury for blendshape optimizer and param compressor

but other than that i do all by hand

doing it manully will give you more learning experience than just doing a tool u dont really know what its actually doing

and also will let you adjust stuff manually

[balmy barn]

easy to check all materials/texture change on a click

[clever cloak]

i do plan on learning it all eventually

but before that i gotta get working adhd meds

otherwise i just absorb none of the info i learn

ok yea with the tool disabled it goes from 15mb to 40

[swift mango]

for example i try to keep highly detailed up to 2k and the rest 1k-512 depending on the level of detail

or the visibility of said texture

[somber sequoia]

remember that compressed and uncompressed are different stats

[swift mango]

some stuff i dont even use texture and just use material color itself

[clever cloak]

yea true

[somber sequoia]

oh that one is actually download size, I misread

[clever cloak]

ill try combining the meshes

re enabling the tool its 15.05 mb

[somber sequoia]

better

[swift mango]

i still suggest you optimize the textures

manually so u know what u doing

[clever cloak]

again, i will eventually but for now i will just use the tool

[swift mango]

and have better control of what gets optimize and what doesnt

[clever cloak]

the tool works well enough for me

[swift mango]

that red text says otherwise :p

[clever cloak]

it has options to filter that in the tool as well

[clever cloak]

yeah, the mesh is likely still too large

i do not believe the textures are what is causing it to go over

[swift mango]

how many textures does your avi have?

[somber sequoia]

you don't have to believe, you can to actually check 🙂

[swift mango]

what res is your tool making the textures at?

[gaunt knoll]

Everyone rooting for goose 🤣 or yall are really passionate in optimism

[clever cloak]

im just gonna focus on the meshes

[somber sequoia]

You can do it! Go goose!

[swift mango]

1024 res textures are usually 1.3mb in vram per texture, compressed it depends on quality of compression it could go from 300kb to 1mb per texture

[swift mango]

2k jumps up to 5.3mb per texture

[clever cloak]

i feel like a lets player having the comments constantly backseat their gameplay

[swift mango]

i just like helping ppl out

[gaunt knoll]

I liked mine better

[clever cloak]

also before this tool existed its not like i didn't manually change my textures

its just having done both, i feel this tool does it well enough for my use case to not need to manually do it

ok mesh combiner added. time to figure out how that works

ok thats a lot of meshes lol

i guess ill just combine the clothes into their respective toggles and the body/face into one

oh and body and jewelry

wait will this impact my pc version, like do i need to do all this on the pc version first and then do it on quest

for sync issues

[swift mango]

this is why i never liked making quest avis lmao

and sticked to pc only

[clever cloak]

so much of the playerbase uses quest, i like when they can see me

[swift mango]

its a shame

[clever cloak]

also i hate how poorly the game runs and wish people put more effort into making it run better for those on weaker pcs or quests. I don't want to be part of the problem

[swift mango]

i dont mind if they see the impostor on me

either way

u should combine in groups i think

just less than all those meshes

[gaunt knoll]

Same sadly I'm getting a bit obsessed with osc coding so I don't really have the time to make them for the quests pls I'm normally in the pug

[swift mango]

if i was you id separate the meshes into body - clothing - extras

and combine the corresponding ones into those groups

so later is easier for you to find the stuff u need

[clever cloak]

yeah thats the plan

not sure how to but ill figure it out

my next goal after i get this working is finding out a way for my pc to run this game in vr and record to obs at the same time, which will be fun

as currently this game uses like 1000000% of my gpu

and obs uses like 20%

i ususally use steam background recordings but those can't record multi track audio which is handy to have

okay im a tad confused on how to use this mesh combiner

is there a tutorial anywhere for it?

i combined i think all the parts on the base body (body,face, rings, piercings)

ok it melted my face

and legs lol

[gaunt knoll]

You know I think I may of gone them mixed up

[clever cloak]

polytool has an option to combine, ill try that

[gaunt knoll]

I think this might make mesh not combine them

Yeah

[clever cloak]

im gonna set the tri count to 20000 and see how fucked up it looks lol

damn

it'd run well tho at least

[gaunt knoll]

You know that's a lot of blend shapes

[clever cloak]

yeah

there are a lot on there

some of which i need, others i don't

[gaunt knoll]

Do you have fury in this

[clever cloak]

yep

i have the thing already on

the blendshape optimizer

[gaunt knoll]

Nice and the mmd one

[clever cloak]

that i don't know

ill check

mmd compatability?

i do not have that on

[gaunt knoll]

Yes

[clever cloak]

ill turn it on

[gaunt knoll]

You need that on if your using blendshape optimizer

[clever cloak]

good to know

ill throw that on the pc version as well then

im not very experienced with vrcfury

i just use it for some assets that liindy makes, and the blendshape thing and fix write defaults

[gaunt knoll]

It's useful

[clever cloak]

im not sure which of these i should check lol

[gaunt knoll]

I mean lights colliders contacts if your on pc

Phys bones if you want this to be a husk of your Avi

[clever cloak]

yea i would like physbones, seeing as i only get to have 8 max as it is on quest

which i just used for as much as the hair as i could, since thats split into many

[gaunt knoll]

True and you have ears and a tail you would want that to move

[clever cloak]

yeah the ears for sure, the tail i just disable

i dont like the tail really, but do want it as an option

[gaunt knoll]

Yeah

[clever cloak]

so many tabs

there are quite a few bones i can delete as well that im not using

and are left over from the avatar's default outfit

so ill do that

i should do that on my pc version as well anyway

damn i got it from 260 to 116

nice

bones on the base avatar, that is

ok combined the mesh for the body and face and jewelry

now the clothes

and the hair

clock is ticking for me to get this done as i gotta be up for class in 12 hours lol

but i got tuesday wednesday off so ill probably just work on it tomorrow night

well then

[teal laurel]

Lol

[clever cloak]

WOAH what the hell happened to the vram

ah its the combined mesh

right

ill decimate it

okay what

crazy

[somber sequoia]

looks like messed up weight paint

[clever cloak]

its a shame as i gotta shrink my face mesh but doing so makes it look a fair bit worse

and it breaks some blendshapes

if i decimate the body mesh a spike comes out the back lol

when i have the shrink chest thing on for my jacket to not clip

this does get it down though

better

avatar still looks solid as well

the face up close has taken some hits though lol

but tbh i can live with that

for blendshape changes, would it make more sense just to delete them? or is that a permanent thing

like if i choose to delete it will it come back when the toggle is off

[limpid python]

I think I broke a couple toggles on my Chibigen model in Unity after a created some new blendshapes for a new facial expresion in blender and imported the FBX file...

[ornate stump]

https://modular-avatar.nadena.dev/docs/reference/reaction/shape-changer#shapechange-modes

[limpid python]

Anyone perhaps willing to help me figure it out? ;w;

[ornate stump]

If you provided more detail, some people maybe can help you.

[clever cloak]

perfect, delete sounds ideal

i should do that on my pc version as well

ill do that all later though. when i start adding to it

for now, i believe the quest version is done

build and publish time, lets hope its small enough

fuck

all that for 1mb less

i halved the mesh size

[somber sequoia]

do you have like, 12 outfits on there or something?

[clever cloak]

no

its just my avatar, a hoodie prefab, a shoe prefab, a pair of pants, and some hair material swaps

one outfit

[placid sage]

does anyone know how to fix this

[limpid python]

So basically there is supposed to be a cube trail enabled that'll follow the hands, but it along with a piece of cheese and a orb I can place down aren't appearing anymore after I imported the edited FBX file

There's also all this and idk what it all means

[ornate stump]

How many material swap? You should reduce texture maxsize as well.

[clever cloak]

6, ill lessen that

even tho i want them all ):

changed it to just 2

so 3 total including default

[ornate stump]

You can't have multiple Armature on a single FBX file.

[limpid python]

I don't see another armature. That is how the Blender file came and it has worked all the way up until now when I added blendshapes to the face and exported it back into unity

[ornate stump]

2 armatures.

[clever cloak]

I’m the goat

gotta fix this before i celebrate too much

and actually boot up my quest and test it out

i usually play pc but i just use vd, so i can hop on quest to test how the quest version works manually

whats a good texture compressor for android

format, that is

[limpid python]

Ah, I see. I just don't get why it was working before then. I just hid it and reexported it but it didn't fix...

[ornate stump]

astc 4x4

[clever cloak]

thanks

[ornate stump]

I just saw your trail object is not a part of avatar fbx, and is unpacked. You should never unpack FBX file is you're going to update it. Because that will cut the data link between fbx file and object in the scene and it can't get it updated correctly.

[clever cloak]

can you check avatar stats from the website or do i need to log in to the game to see those

[limpid python]

Well shoot. I didn't know that ;w; Is there any way to fix it or is it broke for good?

[ornate stump]

In website it show only Perf rank. Stats details only show in game.

[somber sequoia]

Drag a new copy into the scene and copy things over to it

[clever cloak]

they should let you check stats on the site, that'd be helpful

[ornate stump]

Broke for good. Unless you know deeper how skinned mesh renderer work to resolve it. Or just put the new file into the scene and never unpack it.

[placid sage]

does anyone know how to fix this

[limpid python]

Damn... I don't want to redo all my work. I made a backup but idk how to get to it. I'll see what I can do, thanks for the help ;w;

[clever cloak]

Download size is 5mb

That’s so much headroom

However, it doesn’t look great rn. The face and neck are weird

So I’ll use some of that headroom to increase the quality

I am pleased with these stats

I will tweak more later though

This is decent to start with

[clever cloak]

messed around more and got it a bit better but now its 9mb and somehow texture memory went way up

confusing

i tried changing a lot of textures manually and that seemed to mess up the tool i was using, so idk

weird

gonna work on it tomorrow, done for the night

[dusty rose]

We are still here 👀

[dusty rose]

Worry not, we are slowly rising back to old glory

[ornate stump]

Is it under permission from the creator ?

[floral token]

Ok soooooooo I’m not new to unity but I still don’t know how to fix this issue without fucking up my model, but I updated my fbx for my avatar and now in unity her head only is invisible, how do I fix that?

[ornate stump]

That's because you use "Unpack Prefab" which likely will break model in the scene when you edit its fbx file.

[floral token]

Shit ok, so do I just need to reimport the fbx now?

[ornate stump]

You have to put the fbx into the scene again and start from there.

[floral token]

Ok thank you

[dusty rose]

Permission to get popular again? I dunno if that needs permission but yea we sure are returning slowly but surely Rusk community grows again

[ornate stump]

Permission to publish the creator avatars as public avatars.

[lime hawk]

anone know what this means never had this pop up before so

[ornate stump]

Check sdk version in vcc.

[lime hawk]

i updated it is that the reason?

[ornate stump]

Did you update both base sdk and avatar sdk?

[lime hawk]

i believe so

[ornate stump]

Screenshot to confirm.

[lime hawk]

lemme open vcc

should be fine like this

maybe i just gotta restart unity

[ornate stump]

Try restarting as well.

[lime hawk]

yah lemme do so

[dusty rose]

That's not what I meant. I meant the reversal of the communities current regression by means of keeping remaining rusk users united and expanding by telling others of the rusk, showing off unique personal rusks and hanging out with each other hopefully climbing the latter again to be on the top of VRC once more

[ornate stump]

The regression part was from use of the public Rusk avatar right? Then what left are the legit user which should not be affected by DMCA.

[wheat jay]

anyone know how to add accessory from an other avatar to an avatar im trying to use 💔 (sorry if i interupted yall)

[dusty rose]

Everyone has legitimacy, even the souls who were using any of the many public models. It was a lawful happening but one that has forever ruined a big part of VRC and resulted in not only people giving up on a popular model but also the closing of the biggest active Rusk group there was. It is good that there are still many who own personal Rusks but the damage this all did left even most of them scattered and may result in us becoming the next ukon if we don't manage to bounce back in time

[ornate stump]

I don't see the effect cause to other community models like Milk, Karin, etc. Why it's only Rusk?

[junior void]

Depends what you got. Is it an fbx? Does it have an armature? How is that armature structured? Is it using vrcfury for installation?

[lime hawk]

Fixed it thank ya!

[surreal salmon]

Still stuck with this if anyone can help

[balmy barn]

2 gameobjects then station, you can rotate those objects up/down , left/right ect if you need more

got one av somewhere with stuff like that since small av's sink wierdly easier to just adjust them up

[surreal salmon]

So I just have the seat game object parrentes to another game object? Would I animate the parent or child game object in this?

Would it just be 2 animations per game object? Each linked till all rotation axis and position axis are covered?

[wheat jay]

It has an armature its all set up i have vrc fury too

I bought the avatar and its all ready to be uploaded but im tryna get this accessory to this avtar

[junior void]

ok it should be pretty straight forward then

what are you having trouble with?

[wheat jay]

soo if i just copy and paste it to the avatar im using currently it doesnt show up or anything

also i gotta somehow make the toggle works.. the accessory im trying to add was supposed to be added by default but the person who made the avatar made a mistake and i have to put it on manually which means the toggles and sliders are all set up and i somehow gotta connect them

[junior void]

you cant just copy paste from one project to another if thats what youre doing

it would help if you posted images of what the asset is and how/what youre doing

[wheat jay]

i would but lowk i do not wanna get banned in this server and all i can do is explain

[wheat jay]

Yeahh i have found.. so im trying to find a tutorial for it but i see absolutely none

[junior void]

why would you get banned

[wheat jay]

its kinda nsfw but not against the tos

[junior void]

then just draw a black line over exposed parts?

[wheat jay]

ill just hide it and rename the object into smth else

idk how to take a screen shot of this-

actually nvm i just tested with it and i think i got grip with it

yeah actually now its going south

[fair harness]

Can someone help make me my own custom avatar

[surreal salmon]

I think I understand what ur getting at

I'll try later today

[balmy barn]

👍 that has 3 ways to move/rotate its using motion time tho, can shove it in a blendtree but it will require more animations to be made

this does the same thing, just blendtree bit more setup but you can cram alot in one

[fair harness]

Ok I want him to have a blue hoodie and black pants His eyes should match with the Hoodie his hoodie needs to be the one he Has his second style will have a brown jacket black pants and a green tank top he needs a nose bandage his eyes should have it with a white pupil and the jacket has the gay flag on the torso as a patch and back should have the words scrap endos Eye can have a slider to change it and his pink scar on his other cheek a staff bot arm toggle to have it on or have be his normal

[wheat jay]

ion think this is a place where you request someone to make an avatar just letting yk no offense ofc

[fair harness]

Oh sorry

[left gull]

go to VRCTraders (Link in #1204490664637890580 ) and get a verified commissioner, you're about to get major scammer/bots in your DMs with a message like that here + its not allowed :P

[dusty rose]

It was most widespread, easily associated with VRChat itself. A cornerstone of the game

[fair harness]

I already had

[tough marsh]

so the arms have their own bones which are all weight painted properly, and a bone inbetween spine and chest
i put rotation constraints on each and set as active but the arms are still stuck in T Pose

[fair harness]

So someone called badmos0979_61170 is a scammer

[left gull]

callouts are against the #rules even if they're a scammer sadly so id delete ur message but make a ticket in https://discord.com/channels/189511567539306508/1136424661274599444 to get em kicked out

[fair harness]

There not in the server

[opaque rampart]

Theres a single face on my avatar thats invisible and im not sure how to fix it? i tried flipping the normals already and it didnt work ?

[somber sequoia]

rather than trying to flip them randomly, you can enable "face orientation" in the view overlays in Blender so it'll show you clearly.

[olive pelican]

Open in blender, show face orientation. It may be something weird there, or it's an issue with your UVs.

Damnit Kazin you type too fast

Lmao

[opaque rampart]

I did try that and it all showed blue ! Nothing weird there

[somber sequoia]

haha, sometimes I do

[olive pelican]

Might be an alpha thing. Check the texture/UV

[somber sequoia]

Ah good - then maybe it's UVs - that face could be on a part of the textures that's transparent

[opaque rampart]

I dont think so but I will check T-T

[gaunt knoll]

yeah it the expressions texture

[opaque rampart]

Expressions texture?

[opaque rampart]

the uvs are fine ! Im rlly confused T-T

[gaunt knoll]

can you send screenshots of it in unity

[opaque rampart]

this is in unity, looks the same as in VRC

[true rampart]

hello

[opaque rampart]

hallo

[true rampart]

i'm new to vrchat sooo

[gaunt knoll]

???

[true rampart]

????

[olive pelican]

Welcome to hell. Remember, don't play games with your own identity unless you're ready for the damage it does, never date someone without meeting them IRL first, and if the avatar has lights on it, don't wear it in public.

[true rampart]

k

[somber sequoia]

This is good advice.

[gaunt knoll]

wild

[lapis aurora]

Still struggling with simulated eye movement. I think I figured out a couple things but im still confused. My eyes appear to look in directions that don't quite align with where im actually looking. on top of this, they randomly will reset to other positions and I'm not sure why

[somber sequoia]

Sounds about right. It tries to guess where to look, and sometimes that's kinda funny.

[lapis aurora]

Are you sure? I thought it was supposed to track somewhat, but it appears to be really random

[somber sequoia]

track what?

[lapis aurora]

like, if i look in a mirror, my eyes should look towards my character, right?

im using that to try to determine if i set things up right

but the eyes seem to jitter and if i rotate my head, the eyes dont always moothly follow

and it seems to never really do it

i can take a video if that helps

[somber sequoia]

iirc it tries to guess what you're looking at, such as another player close to you

https://creators.vrchat.com/avatars/#simulated-eye-movement

[lapis aurora]

yes i read that

[somber sequoia]

It explains there ^

[ornate stump]

Keyword "simulated". It doesn't actually know what you're looking at.

[somber sequoia]

Right

[lapis aurora]

perhaps im thinking about it toohard then

i'll just move on and keep an eye out (lol) if others i play with notice anything weird

i have a more complicated question now though

[somber sequoia]

oh fun

[lapis aurora]

does anybody here know how to do special rigging for a model with odd proportions?

my character's neck is long, so when i look up or down or side to side the rest of his body goes flying to try to compensate with where my ACTUAL head is

[somber sequoia]

really vague question, maybe good for #avatar-rigging , but probably "yes" and you should be more specific

ahh

[lapis aurora]

i get the idea as to why

i can go ask there

[somber sequoia]

Yeah so for a disporportionally long neck you might want to rig a separate set of bones for that and use rotation constraints to try to copy the rotation that VRChat detects from what you do

[lapis aurora]

I'm unsure on how to do that or how to set that up

[somber sequoia]

if you get too far from what you, the human, are shaped like, you have to do funny tricks

[lapis aurora]

is there any sort of guide or reading with more detail on how to do that?

[somber sequoia]

I don't have one, but wouldn't be surprised if something exists

[lapis aurora]

i'm just unsure of how to add bones that depend on how the other bones are moving if that makes sense

like i have bones for things that arent part of a human (wings) and they're attached to the proper spot and all that

[somber sequoia]

it's really as simple as making the armature match a human, then adding extra bones for the avatar's long neck, and using a VRC Rotation Constraint to copy rotation from the humanoid bones to the non-human bones

[lapis aurora]

but it isnt like moving my hand moves the wings

[somber sequoia]

it probably could if you want it to

[lapis aurora]

hmm

so right now i have 1 neck and 1 head bone

with them stretched to fit out

so i should move them around, resize them, and add more neck bones

now, when i move my head, only the neck bone would move? or only the head bone moves?

[somber sequoia]

That's what I'd probably try doing, yep, though I'd probably create new bones to be the humanoid ones, leaving what you already have to drive the mesh.

both move

[lapis aurora]

so would the other neck bones be moving based on how the main neck bone moves

and then the rotation constraints just dont allow it to deviate super hard?

[somber sequoia]

no

VRChat drives the humanoid armature based on what your headset/FBT/etc. tell it that you do.
You can then use constraints to copy those rotations to other bones, wherever they are.

with a human-looking avatar, you don't need to do this. If you deviate far from the shape that you are IRL, it gets weird, and having a separate set of bones to drive the mesh can be a decent technique.

[balmy barn]

neck sound like a nightmere to use constraints on since it would need to be a seperate mesh

head is easy

[somber sequoia]

I haven't tried, so I don't know the full details of how people have done it for long-neck things. But I have made two-headed avatars, which works similarly.

[opaque rampart]

I fixed it by deleting that face and re-making it 😭

[somber sequoia]

hah, I suppose that works 🙂

[lapis aurora]

yeah... i was triyng to find an example to use as a reference but couldnt find anything

[balmy barn]

seprate neck probably could do with chest / neck / head bones , head is easy since it only need to follow the rotation of headbone , definatly not a thing ive tried

[olive pelican]

I've actually seen something like this, witha kizuna Ai model

the head model is constrained to rotate inline with EyeR and eyeR has max confidence and can rotate 360 degrees.

So the head hard tracks you.

Intensely amusing effect.

Since simulated eyes are clientside, it just [wet crunching noise] all the way around.

[somber sequoia]

there's also an avatar that has heads on the hands... kinda disturbing 🙂

[lapis aurora]

fwiw the issue isnt that like

the neck rotates badly as is

its that the rest of the model goes flying if i move my actual head

[olive pelican]

Some notes on simulated eye movement; it is simulated clientside, so what you see in the mirror is not what others see

[lapis aurora]

starts floating

[olive pelican]

oh

uh

[lapis aurora]

i have one neck joint

[somber sequoia]

oh I keep forgetting this

[lapis aurora]

and for what i can rotate, it's mostly fine. not perfect but certainly good

the issue is on a vr headset, looking around makes the model go crazy and float or contort

[olive pelican]

You have boneitis. There's likely an issue with your bone heirarchy or humanoid that is causing it to break.

[lapis aurora]

this is the armature

[olive pelican]

Yeah, it's -likely- you have a humanoid bone issue.

[lapis aurora]

what is the issue exactly?

[olive pelican]

be sure that there are the full humanoid bone se,t that the pose in the humanoid import is a tpose, and that the humanoid rig has the right bones in the right places.

[somber sequoia]

oh that guy again

[olive pelican]

I've seen Unity assign some WILD stuff before.

[somber sequoia]

yeah I think I'd rig that one differently

[lapis aurora]

hmm i dont think that's what it is

i think what it is is if i move my head

based on how the bones are, it's moving everything else to compensate

since a head movement would result in my head moving much more in game than it did irl

[olive pelican]

That's possible, but that just menas you're running into the limit of what humanoid can handle.

[lapis aurora]

i can tell you the rigging is fine on desktop

i can try adjusting the length of the neck by moving it up?

the other issue i had was my hands dont move right

[olive pelican]

You're likely goignt o have to dos ome ghost rigging.

[lapis aurora]

ghost rigging?

[olive pelican]

Bone length means nothing in unity.

In unity, bones are dots.

[somber sequoia]

the thing I've been suggesting

[olive pelican]

ghost rigging is a paaaaaaain

I'd avoid it if I could additively animate on tracked humanoid bones.

[somber sequoia]

yeah it'd be nice if we could get rotation values of bones in the animator

[olive pelican]

augh the cool shit I could doooooo

Recoil

[lapis aurora]

i still dont understand how to ghost rig

is there any information or guide on ghost rigging at all

[olive pelican]

ye, youtube has tuts.

[lapis aurora]

do you have one i can follow

[olive pelican]

moment

Well bolt me to the wall and call me a PowerEdge 2420, there really isn't a good tutorial for this.

[lapis aurora]

:L

[olive pelican]

Congrats, you've joined the Edge Case Club!

We have tshirts and a bake sale every third month.

[somber sequoia]

I suspect you'd need to find something on advanced rigging that isn't vrchat-specific

[olive pelican]

indeed

The best bet you have is to start with finding out what parts of the rig are too far past human shaped, make human shaped ones for actual IK/VR control, and then use rotation constraints or FinalIK (buy it on sale) to control the bigger parts.

Think of it like puppeteering.

[somber sequoia]

oh that's a great way to put it

[lapis aurora]

uhh

i get the idea of a rig for the human and a rig for the model itself

but what does rotation constraints have to do with that

all those do is prevent certain bones from rotating past a certain point

i dont see how that in and of itself is what solves this issue

[olive pelican]

Rotation constraints don't prevent movement, they copy it.

[somber sequoia]

no - you can use them to copy rotation

they constrain one bone to another bone

[olive pelican]

indeed.

[somber sequoia]

we actually can't use any sort of limiters in vrchat, except for physbones.

[lapis aurora]

oh

so is the idea thenn to uhhh

two rigs - humanoid, and the actual model

copy the humanoid ones to the actual rigging

[somber sequoia]

Yes, this is what I've been suggesting

[olive pelican]

ye

you can also use IK for stuff but that's complicated and annoying.

[lapis aurora]

using extra bones on the actual rigging attached to different pieces of the humanoid rigging

what is IK exactly

[somber sequoia]

Inverse Kinematics - probably best to look that up

[lapis aurora]

even if i do all this, wouldn't my actual head position end up desyncing from my vr head position?

[somber sequoia]

Maybe, but why does that matter so much?

You are not a dinosaur 🙂

[lapis aurora]

well, yeah, but the point is to be immersed

need to be able to pretend to some degree that i am

[somber sequoia]

yep, I know, but still - you are not a dinosaur, so you might have to compromise a little so it looks right to others and in a mirror 🙂

probably you can get really close though

[lapis aurora]

i'll give it a shot but its gonna take me a while to piece it together in my head a bit more

so i need a new skeleton that resembles a proper humanoid figure that is what i the person control, that maps the actual movements then onto the rig

[somber sequoia]

you may not need the whole skeleton, just the bones that deviate from "normal humanoid", such as the neck

But yes, that's the concept here.

[surreal salmon]

Is there a way to change the parenting of a object mid animation or as a Toggle

[somber sequoia]

No, but you could use a parent constraint to move the object around

[minor crater]

can i put like... a belt for egirl base on a fit base avatar

and it wont clip a ton

[somber sequoia]

you can put anything on anything, if you're determined

[minor crater]

i have limited knowledge i can basically sculp it on blender and then add it to the armature like i would clothes that fit a specific base

like i can shape it to fit

[somber sequoia]

Yep, that'll work

[minor crater]

ok yippe nice

[somber sequoia]

Also would have to do some weight painting

[minor crater]

hmm idk how to weight paint

it has weight painting just not for this avatar

[somber sequoia]

You might have to touch it up a bit, and maybe change vertex group names to match the bone names of the avatar you're attaching to. Shouldn't be too bad.

[gaunt knoll]

Question kazin when it comes to clothes on avis whats stopping people from applying the shrink rap modifier if it's something like leggings

[surreal salmon]

If ya only want leggings u can just duplicate the leg lower body mesh an separate by selected. Then extrude along normals

Instant pants

No weight painting needed

Or leggings/ shirt

Also u won't need to uv unwrap it for texturework

Just change material

[olive pelican]

Nothing, but it's easier to just make a new mesh from the skin and push it out a bit using solidify.

I will say, you should bridge parts which would stretch over the skin in areas like buttocks or chest.

and ideally have a weight paint or bone setup that doesn't make them move apart.

[near ice]

anybody here good with blender? i have all these meshes that are all different parts of the model, but how can i combine it into one so i can start on rigging the model?

[lilac musk]

Select them all in object mode, right click the viewport window, select join

[near ice]

ty

[limber bison]

so you know that white dot that helps you set the pove for an avatar?

Mine's not showing up

[somber sequoia]

nothing, if that works for you. I've used it, but don't find it's all that great for clothing unless you're actually doing skin-tight stuff.

[somber sequoia]

make sure you have gizmos enabled - upper- right icon in the Scene view, looks like a globe

[limber bison]

thank you

[olive pelican]

Gizmo is such a funny word.

Imagine an alternate world where it's called a doohickey.

[somber sequoia]

both work 🙂

[terse thorn]

is there any reason for the avi creator of the avi i am redoing to have a param called "HasLoaded" that is turned on only when "IsLocal" is true and have all the toggles have "HasLoaded" set to true as a requirement?

[somber sequoia]

huh, I wonder why they did that

[night ember]

the name is pretty self explanatory

IsLocal when worn
and a parameter named HasLoaded
like loaded the avatar

[terse thorn]

ya i guessed that it just made sure nothing happed until the avi loaded on the local side, couldn't tell if there was a actual reason for it act like that or it was just something the creator wanted to do

[night ember]

syncing probably

[somber sequoia]

oh - is that a synced parameter? That would kinda make sense,yeah

[olive pelican]

when I set up anim layers for complex props that need state control, I use something similar to prevent confusion.

So I have a Prop Control Int that's synced, and the whole control animation drives that param instead of doing things itself. means states are always synced and always sync when state changes.

Also makes multi-layer/multi animc stuff easier.

[terse thorn]

ah ok, think i can get away with this then? unless there is a way to have more then one requirement on blend trees

[olive pelican]

There is IIRC.

You can make tripolar blend shapes.

[terse thorn]

still trying to learn how to use blendtrees. optimization goes brrrrr

[olive pelican]

Technically I think you can use an arbitrary amount btu it depends on use case.

[night ember]

you dont have to do the whole has loaded

[olive pelican]

Yeah I have NO clue hwo to use blend trees to poto stuff.

*opto

[terse thorn]

i dont understand, could you elaborate?

[night ember]

you dont have to set it up specifically how the guy that made the avatar set it up

[somber sequoia]

blend trees are fun, usually most of what I have in animators is in a big direct blend tree

[terse thorn]

from what i have been told, more animator layers means more lag and blend trees are a way to combine layers. (75 layers down to 13 and im not even done yet :P)

[somber sequoia]

Looks good! And yeah, there are fun tradeoffs but that's a good one. You can also easily do some kinda complicated things too

[hard turtle]

how much would you price a basic asset like this whole thing is 3.2k polys

4$ is what i was thinking?

[somber sequoia]

That's a good price, for sure.

[terse thorn]

thats good to hear, i looked at one guide and then have basically been winging it but it seems pretty easy so far

[somber sequoia]

I assume it's the one from JustSleightly? That's a great intro, yeah.

[terse thorn]

the vrc.school site

[somber sequoia]

that's the one

[terse thorn]

thats good to hear

[near ice]

the red color isnt matching up

idk why

[olive pelican]

Seventy FIVE layers?!

[terse thorn]

yes

[olive pelican]

How. Why.

I'm trying to work out what would make that many layers necessary.

[terse thorn]

thats just default Shoggoth

well with the gf addon

oh

it has facetracking

[olive pelican]

I've no context to FT, so I can't judge it (for now?

But that's so many layer, holy moly

[somber sequoia]

face tracking adds a LOT

it's not that many layers but the blend trees are complex

[olive pelican]

I imagine there's a layer per side and per major aspect of the face, yeah?

Left, right face, left right eye

Or is it way messier than that

[terse thorn]

its like 20 i think

rest is just toggles basicly

[olive pelican]

Whhhhh

[somber sequoia]

ok now I'm going to look, hang on.

[olive pelican]

20 layers for FT?

That's insane.

[terse thorn]

can send the animator if yall want

[olive pelican]

I can just ask my wife, she's got all that stuff.

[somber sequoia]

yeah I'm opening Unity with one of my avatars now

[olive pelican]

There a gotta be a way to cramp that down

I'm so glad there's not a reliable cheap face tracking hardware option for VR rn

Or I'd have to learn it

[somber sequoia]

Looks like 3 layers for this one

[olive pelican]

Guessing eyes, face, and a control layer for mixing with Audio Visemes?

[terse thorn]

ok its 65 for the sfw version

[somber sequoia]

yeah this one has all three types, each is just 3 layers

Based on Jerry's templates.

[olive pelican]

Oh, that's even simpler.

So like, one for ARKit, one for Universal, one for whatever else there is?

[somber sequoia]

SRanipal