avatar-help

[prisma thunder]

How do I save it after editing? It reset me once already

[desert elk]

Apply

on the button right

[prisma thunder]

It undid everything again 😭

[desert elk]

it shouldn't have

first set as humanoid, apply, then configure and correct if necessary, apply

[prisma thunder]

Assuming it has something to do with this

[desert elk]

you have multiple armatures

you need to have one

[prisma thunder]

Do I fix that in blender, or the configuration thing?

[desert elk]

Blender

[prisma thunder]

Alrighty

[desert elk]

if you added any additional hair or clothes to your avatar you most likely didn't do it correct, hence the multiple armatures

[prisma thunder]

I know how to fix it dw

Ive fixed it 6 times already, but I did it in unity instead of blender 😭

How do I drag stuff in the blender hierarchy?

Google exists actually

[north sonnet]

Can someone help for a map ?

[desert elk]

map?

[prisma thunder]

Google is no help, the uppermost armature is for my head, and the lower one is for everything else. How would I combine these?

Also I only need the 'head' from this list

nvmm

[quasi briar]

I'm so confused. I'm editing the Mayu's expressions, which are very complicated to say the least. Anyway, when I change the animation for this one blendtree, this other one changes too. I was thinking it was linked to the name of the blendtree but when I change one name, it changes the other. I don't really know unity that well, can anyone explain why these two blendtrees are linked in this way?

Update: I don't know if this will ever be helpful to anyone else, but just in case it is.. I ended up deleting the bottom blendtree and remaking it exactly the same but changing the name to something unique. That fixed the issue.

[delicate osprey]

@somber sequoia @mossy jacinth i think i figured it out i forgot to assign the eye bones. when i did my head, chest and hand colliders appeared, i am yet to get in vr to test thought.

[prisma thunder]

Now I have this, one of the hips has my head, the other has everything else. How would I take just the head from one. then delete the obsolete hip?

[somber sequoia]

I honestly don't remember what the issue was, but glad you figured it out 🙂

[somber sequoia]

not sure what you're saying about heads, but edit the armature and you can move or delete bones

[prisma thunder]

Uhh

You're gonna hate me, but how do I edit the armature? 😭

[light glade]

what is the name of the glasses on this avi

[prisma thunder]

https://shepshep.gumroad.com/l/rglass?layout=discover&recommended_by=search&_gl=1*1vyio0n*_ga*MTIxNDc4MDU1Ni4xNzM2MjA4OTc0*_ga_6LJN6D94N6*MTczODY5OTgxMC4yNC4wLjE3Mzg2OTk4MTAuMC4wLjA. ?

[light glade]

thank you

[prisma thunder]

np

[true rune]

Is there a system where i can set a rule like
if this parameter [A] is -> 1
it sets another parameter [B] to -> 0 ?

[prisma thunder]

VRC OSC can do maths for ya

[true rune]

preferebly without any external tools

[mental estuary]

The Maths module is for actual maths. Just use a parameter driver on the animation

[somber meadow]

parameter driver state behavior

[idle quartz]

how would i go about fixing the fingers on my avatar? in vrchat they don't pose correctly when pressing down the corresponding buttons and look wonky

[prisma thunder]

Thats all I knew 🤷

[true rune]

oh, let me see about the parameter driver

[desert elk]

gesture layer? wonky how?

[prisma thunder]

Eli my man 🙏

[idle quartz]

for instance when i do a thumbs up the thumb is crooked and the fingers dont go into the palm all the way

[true rune]

would that driver be put onto the object used with the parameter or will ti be put onto the avatar?

[mental estuary]

On the animation that's triggered when parameter A is set to 1

[desert elk]

you'll most likely need to mess with the animation

maybe the default ones just clip into your hand, it can happen

[idle quartz]

uff i've never done an animation before

[desert elk]

press tab?

[prisma thunder]

nono

Like in the hierarchy

[desert elk]

ah

no idea

[prisma thunder]

Uh oh

[desert elk]

if i knew my avi's wouldn't cry about arm not being the first child of shoulder XD

but sadly they do cry xD

[prisma thunder]

Ill tell ya if i find out how lol\

[true rune]

Okay i Found it, thanks for helping me with the Parameter thing ^^

[somber sequoia]

You put this onto an animation state

oh someone answered

[true rune]

Yes, i found it ^^
Thank u for the help

[prisma thunder]

Random result:
Oh yeah steps :

Join the armatures (ctrl + j)

edit mode > parent the bones

Have this now, hoping it works 🙏

In my mind's eye, the issue would be that the head isnt a child of the neck

What did I say lol

[gloomy pier]

how do you make animated textures?

i already have the mask and texture i want
im using poyomi

[void kettle]

how do i fix the rig? i know how to fix the texture btw

[gloomy pier]

the bones are not rigged right

[desert elk]

check configure?

[gloomy pier]

did discord break?

alive again

yay:3

[void kettle]

Yea all of it was green

[void kettle]

It did for a little 😭😭

[nocturne lintel]

You haven’t told it to be humanoid, and since you are building for Android, you need to use VRChat’s provided shaders

You first go to the FBX in the project tab, then set it to be Humanoid on the Inspector.

Then go to the Materials on on the inspector and export the materials

Then find where you exported them to, and click them in the project tab, then finally set them all to be VRChat Toon or Standard, depending on the style you want.

[balmy barn]

🐇 fix your import errors (guessing rig not setup missing chest/spinesomething)

[nocturne lintel]

That will lift those problems, and allow you to upload, although I would recommend following the guidance provided here for more information: https://creators.vrchat.com/avatars/

Ah I completely ignored the inspector because the SDK window was up top…

[nocturne lintel]

Click the Configure button, that’ll give you more information,

More than likely your hierarchy is a little messed up, order of bones matters

[void kettle]

what now 😭

[nocturne lintel]

Check your head and hands too

[void kettle]

all of them are green!

[rotund coral]

Is anyone know the name of this gimmick?

[nocturne lintel]

Strange….

Try dropping it back to generic and then back to Humanoid, that should regen the Avatar.

Maybe the Avatar meta got jumbled

[void kettle]

Still the same error 😭

[nocturne lintel]

Real weird

Nothing important is missing

Toe and Upper Chest are optional

[void kettle]

When I use the avatar in game it’s stuck in T-piss

Did notice that

[nocturne lintel]

Wait, did you unpack your model in the scene maybe?

[void kettle]

Like imported in the scene?

[nocturne lintel]

Check the Animator also, see if it shares the Avatar file

[void kettle]

i found this

one sec

[nocturne lintel]

I see a brown box?

[void kettle]

sorry my computer is being dumb

[balmy barn]

rig is a mess, several body.numberhere chest.numberhere , dont rename that in unity - blender

[nocturne lintel]

It might be that they have merged armatures backwards

Ah

They didn’t merge them at all

You have two sets of armatures on one model.

@.@

[void kettle]

it shows one- is there like different ones in side the one?

[nocturne lintel]

Did you try to add clothing or something via blender?

[void kettle]

yea

[nocturne lintel]

Did you remove the clothing’s rig?

[void kettle]

i dont think so

[nocturne lintel]

There’s your problem.

Was this clothing made for this model?

[void kettle]

it was made with the edit tool

[nocturne lintel]

Oh you made the clothing?

[void kettle]

yea

[nocturne lintel]

When you made it, did you add a humanoid rig, or automatic weight groups with the existing rig?

[void kettle]

i just did it with how ot was. i didnt change anything

[nocturne lintel]

Can you show me the blender hierarchy

I believe Shift + Arrow exposes all of the objects in a hierarchy

[gloomy pier]

how do i animate the purple galaxy texture on this?

[nocturne lintel]

Scrolling?

Does it loop?

[gloomy pier]

how do i do that?

[nocturne lintel]

What shader are you using?

[gloomy pier]

poyomi

[nocturne lintel]

Look for panning

[void kettle]

didnt work

[gloomy pier]

pathing?

[nocturne lintel]

Hmm, been a while, can you expose the whole armature up to spine.

[nocturne lintel]

No, should be named UV Panning

[nocturne lintel]

Ah, Poi Toon

Ummm

[gloomy pier]

mb😅

[nocturne lintel]

Been a while

[void kettle]

i think i got it!! ty!!

[nocturne lintel]

Can you show me all the options where you set the texture?

[gloomy pier]

in special fx or just everything in the tab

[nocturne lintel]

There is Tiling and Offset Vectors there

I am meaning like Albedo and such,

[nocturne lintel]

Drop Texture down for me

[nocturne lintel]

That guy

Set X and Y to 1

On Panning

[gloomy pier]

um

[nocturne lintel]

Oh

That is you

Ahhh

🗿

[gloomy pier]

im using a mask and random texture

in emissions lol

[nocturne lintel]

I see you did this correctly

Thank you for saving my frames over making a whole new material

[gloomy pier]

ok but what do i do next lol

[gloomy pier]

im smart:3

[nocturne lintel]

Where that noise map is for the stars, I assume you are using emmision?

[nocturne lintel]

Is that emission map there the stars?

[gloomy pier]

yes

galexi

[nocturne lintel]

Drop her down

[gloomy pier]

🌌

[nocturne lintel]

The panning is already 1

[gloomy pier]

ok if i wanted it to look smooth?

just make it faster?

[nocturne lintel]

Increase it, that is UVTp/s

So if my UV were 1m tall, a value of 1 would be 1 meter per second

Even better idea is to sync it with a 1D Slider and a float.

[gloomy pier]

have you ever seen the galaxy novabeast?

[nocturne lintel]

Cannot say I have?

Got a video?

[gloomy pier]

this one?

[nocturne lintel]

No sorry.

[gloomy pier]

ok well its very smooth

[nocturne lintel]

If it is used commonly, I am not in pubs too often, always working on Udon

But I assume you are looking for a dynamic scrolling speed?

You will need to layer it to give it the full galaxy effect

Remember, Depth can be mimicked with panning things at differing speeds.

[gloomy pier]

how would i layer it

[nocturne lintel]

Easy, mix stuff together.

Split the stars and the spacedust

Then use emi 1 for spacedust, and emi 2 for stars

Make the spacedust slower

You could also make 2 or three sets of stars

[gloomy pier]

so just make alot of emissions with diff speeds?

[nocturne lintel]

You could also abuse sparkles like this

I use this often to give things a dynamic speed and color offset

[gloomy pier]

i dont understand this at all

[nocturne lintel]

DM me, since this is more technical and bound to Poi, I can explain more there without feeling obnoxious.

[spark walrus]

Hair flying away

[unreal scarab]

Im trying to upload an avatar and this pops up, I dont know how to fix it

[somber sequoia]

look in the console

it's not clear from that message alone what might be the cause

(I'm guessing VRCFury)

[wise grail]

What is the best way to make audio toggles? The tutorials I have come across each give a different way to do it, and it leaves me confused 😭

[arctic ginkgo]

i'm trying to make a particle system that uses mesh particles and for some reason my mesh isn't showing up

i tried using different meshes and changing the import settings, some meshes show up and others don't

size doesn't really seem to matter

is it an issue with submeshes maybe?

okay yeah that actually fixed it

i needed to make sure it only had one material

[tall pumice]

pro avatar creator btw

[somber sequoia]

I like to use VRC Animator Play Audio

[radiant tree]

Does anyone know what clothing models would go well with V-bot models that have rigging on them for quick accessories so i don't have to put too much effort into my personal avi?

[wise grail]

I would love to as well, but I don't know how to set it up 😭

[somber sequoia]

well, it's good that there is documentation - have you read it?

[spark walrus]

Hair flying

[somber sequoia]

you have posted this twice now, did you want help or something?

[spark walrus]

yes...

[somber sequoia]

it'd probably help if you asked a question then

[spark walrus]

are u mad or somethin

[somber sequoia]

nope, neither mad as in angry nor mad as in crazy

oh you did ask a question finally. Cool - maybe post your physbone settings? Could be your gravity is the wrong way

[spark walrus]

I am following this guide

posted by a popular avi maker

[somber sequoia]

can you show the scene view of the physbones with gizmos enabled?

[spark walrus]

whats a gizmo

[somber sequoia]

the little UI elements which show areas of effect, or in this case, the collision radius around the bones. The toggle is the little globe icon in the upper-right of the Unity scene view

[somber sequoia]

whoa ok, your radii are way too big. Divide by 100, it looks like your model was exported from Blender with default scaling (which is upsized 100x)

or re-export with "Apply scalings" set to "FBX All"

[somber sequoia]

that's better

I would consider a bit smaller, but that's up to you and how you want it to react

[spark walrus]

can u fix clipping in unity? if i have to put this back in blender and do all this unity stuff over AGAIN

im gonna be angry

[somber sequoia]

not really

[spark walrus]

so i have to do these unity settings all over again

[opaque flax]

so question what do i do in this situation on my avatar i have a contact toggle but when i go to grab it allows me to grab it but when i go to put it back it doesn't work If that makes sense?

[somber sequoia]

which? You shouldn't have to redo any

[serene wing]

How would you configure this??? Very confused cause I’ve never really configured my bones in unity

[toxic halo]

Does anyone know if there are any avatars with vitiligo

[somber sequoia]

you'd have to show the spine hierarchy

[serene wing]

So I take another photo?

[somber sequoia]

a screenshot is better, but yeah, it'd help to see what you currently have

[serene wing]

Alr I’ll show screenshot

[keen jay]

would anyone thats good with animations and toggles be willing to help, i dont necessarily know whats causing the problem so its hard to get pics of lol

[serene wing]

I forgot how to take a screenshots on windows so I had to take it at the best angle I could

[neat coral]

Dose anyone know how to make a buffer for toggles (the path) I cant figure it out (need it because im using drivers)

[ornate stump]

Just add any property of something and rename the path.

[somber sequoia]

sorry, this is really hard to look at

[serene wing]

Oh god wait I may be stupid

I’m taking the screenshots but I don’t see them in my files

[ornate stump]

#avatar-help message

[keen jay]

if you add blendshapes to an avi can that completely stop body sliders from working even if those shapekeys arent touched?

[somber sequoia]

if you exit that and then expand the armature in the hierarchy window so we can see from the root to the head, that would probably help.

I can't see the parent of that "Spine_02" for example.

[tall carbon]

trying to upload a model and got this error i dont fully understand

[somber sequoia]

did you install the face tracking package?

[tall carbon]

i didnt know about that since i dont use face tracking QwQ

[somber sequoia]

your avatar does, apparently

[tall carbon]

where can i obtain it? is it on the creator companion?

[somber sequoia]

either install that or remove whatever vrcfury prefab which provides face tracking is on your avatar

docs here: https://docs.vrcft.io/docs/intro/getting-started

[spark walrus]

I have to put her back in blender to fix the clipping

[somber sequoia]

that shouldn't break anything in unity though

(unless you do wrong things like unpack your avatar prefab)

[spark walrus]

I have to delete her from my project and readd her back with the updated version right

[somber sequoia]

no

overwrite the .fbx file

[spark walrus]

https://tenor.com/view/facepalm-really-stressed-mad-angry-gif-16109475

[serene wing]

take a another screenshot so you can see, is that what I’m understanding?

[somber sequoia]

Yes

[spark walrus]

I've been deleting her from the project and readding her in many times and redoing all the settings thinking I had to do that to get the updated version

[somber sequoia]

yeah you shouldn't have to do that unless you purposely break things. Just export with the same settings as the previous time, overwriting the .fbx, and all should be fine.

[spark walrus]

It updates into unity automatically?

[somber sequoia]

yep

[spark walrus]

I'm so dumb sometimes

[serene wing]

i think the spines 2 and 3 go from the pelvis, but im not sure. whenever i also clicked on the error message in the vrchat sdk it brought me to spine 3

[somber sequoia]

if you exit the rig setup, this will look a lot cleaner, I can't tell what's what like this

most of this looks like non-humanoid bones, which are irrelevant for fixing the spine hierarchy issues

[fiery crow]

then delete the vrcfury prefab attached to the avi

[somber sequoia]

better! But still, not what I'm asking, sorry this isn't clear. We need to look at the tree from the root object to head, you've got a lot of other things expanded which are not helping.
But also, this thing has a LOT of bones, and it looks like a rig setup for a game or something. This will probably be some work.

I'll try get a sample, one moment

what I'm looking for ^

the idea is to see from the root to the head, something seems to be in the wrong order

[keen jay]

just started getting a new warning but ive check the rigging and everything and made sure all my parameter menus are setup

half of my animations and toggles work the others dont .-.

[serene wing]

im so sorry if this is bothering you though oh my goodness

[somber sequoia]

hey this is better! SO yeah, you have a lot of extra stuff here that I'm sure vrchat is going to be a bit unhappy with this

actually - maybe not. you've expanded ik_foot_root but what you want to be looking at is root -> pelvis -> [something spine?] -> [something neck or head?]

the ideal spine rig, and we're getting into #avatar-rigging discussion, is hips -> spine -> chest -> upper chest (optional) -> neck -> head

[serene wing]

ohhh okay!!

[somber sequoia]

deviate from that and you are going to have this kind of problem

[serene wing]

Could I @ you there if that’s okay?

[somber sequoia]

sure

[small hare]

can someone please help me out with this outfit https://booth.pm/en/items/4667688 its supposed to flow like i sent in the picture but instead it does this.

[serene wing]

Wait I actually fixed it, I had to delete some of them that weren’t needed, tysm for helping though! <333

Now I’m just confused on the physbones error

[somber sequoia]

oh cool!

[small hare]

anyone?

[keen jay]

did you set up armaturelink?

[odd meteor]

The validation in the build section is not showing and its not allowing me to upload my avatar. I’ve re-loaded the SDK several times, I’ve re-made my project twice, and i do everything the exact same way and still get this error. Does anyone know how to fix it?

[untold minnow]

I pressed H to hide the bone and now I cant unhide it no matter what I do, Help?

[keen jay]

do you have the animator script/vrc descriptor? and did you have a second model you duped then edited?

[odd meteor]

I had bought the avatar and i assume they might have duped and edited it. Yes the animator is the vrc descriptor

[spark walrus]

Alt h

[untold minnow]

It does nothing

[odd meteor]

The avatar required me to add vrcfury and modular avatar to fix broken scripts, but once the scripts were fixed thats when the error popped up

[untold minnow]

I hid it in weight paint mode if that means anything

[spark walrus]

There should be a little eye to click also next to it

In the hierarchy

[untold minnow]

the eye arent next to the bone

its just next to the armature

[spark walrus]

Is the xray mode on

[untold minnow]

idk what that is

[spark walrus]

buh

U sure alt + h isn't working

[untold minnow]

Yeah, I just fixed it

I had it set to selected so I just put 2 and 2 together and unselected select

[spark walrus]

Oh ok

[keen jay]

you bought the avatar or the model?

[odd meteor]

the avatar

[spark walrus]

Instructions?

[odd meteor]

this is exactly what they told me to do, before doing these steps the avatar allowed me to upload it but certain assets such as the shoes and nails would be disconnected from the body because it needed vrcfury and modular avatar to connect it to the body,

Add VRCFury, Modular avatar and liltoon to the project.

Remove the folder named "NHaruka", reimport liltoon then reimport Pcss (no ngss)

[spark walrus]

What's the avi? I'll see if I can find something

[keen jay]

honestly as someone who has to trouble shoot a lot for work lmao id just start with a fresh package without doing any of those steps. do one at a time until you encounter this error again

[odd meteor]

theres no link to the avatar as it was a public they did and sold it through discord

[spark walrus]

What's it called

[odd meteor]

its called hatred

[spark walrus]

By love

[untold minnow]

now ive run into this problem

[odd meteor]

yeah love or lvjec something like that

[ornate stump]

Open "Import Message"

[keen jay]

whats the errors on the import messages tab

[spark walrus]

https://lovevr.gumroad.com/l/hidhn
Is this her?

[untold minnow]

Where do you see that?

[ornate stump]

Right there.

[untold minnow]

…

[spark walrus]

Click configure

[ornate stump]

Do you see in your image? Or should I draw a big red circle?

[odd meteor]

no, may i dm you the public avatar link?

[untold minnow]

Draw that big red circle please

[untold minnow]

It just leads me to this

[wise grail]

The problem isn't with the Animator Play Audio itself, it's with connecting the toggles to that, as well as the animations themselves

[untold minnow]

Thanks

Was that so hard

[ornate stump]

Not so hard but I expected you to be able see it by yourself.

[buoyant zodiac]

anyone know how to fix this, i cant make it quest compatible

[keen jay]

should be a materials thing in the descriptor that you can shaders in then edit them

[buoyant zodiac]

think you could explain in easier terms lol

[ornate stump]

Rather you have to extract material from fbx file, or create new materials and assign in renderer component.

[buoyant zodiac]

ok lets try to extract, how do i do that

[ornate stump]

Select your fbx file asset and see Material tab.

[buoyant zodiac]

ok im there

[ornate stump]

That Extract.

[buoyant zodiac]

okie dokie

opened up my files, do i choose something?

[somber sequoia]

That's just basic animation stuff, for which there are many many tutorial videos

[ornate stump]

It's for you to choose where to save those materials.

[buoyant zodiac]

ohhhh

silly me

[dense basin]

okay, one avatar I had succesfully used for months... suddenly failed security checks. AFTER I just used it

[buoyant zodiac]

it turned pink

[ornate stump]

Try changing shader now.

[buoyant zodiac]

hooray!

it worked

thank you magical person

[untold minnow]

I didnt

Overlooked it

[void saffron]

I’m not sure if it’s possible but can you have an avatar parameter effected by a particle shot from another avatar (example one avatar shoots a bullet particle at another avatar made to receive that particle and react in some way)

I feel like it’s possible but I’m not sure how to actually go about setting that up

[timber wharf]

only by placing contacts that follow particle

on both avis ofc

[void saffron]

That’s what I was thinking but how would I make a contact follow a particle? The contact is just staying on the root transform of the system

[timber wharf]

you just animate it

[void saffron]

The particle can change directions based on hand movement it’s not always shooting in the same direction. How would I animate a contact to follow that?

For context im making a finger gun that shoots responding to gestures. Im trying to set it up so that if i aim at someone particular and the particle hits them their avatar reacts (im making both avatars so i can setup the other however its needed)

[timber wharf]

if you place contact on the same bone as particle, it should follow.🤷‍♂️

[prisma thunder]

After merging my meshes, do I have to drop the materials on the object in scene? had the fix my expression material, and had to seach around in my head to drop the material on it

[patent geyser]

Can someone hlep me fix a stuck toggle? It's auto on and I don't knoiw anything about toggles or how they work.

[keen jay]

Use (vrcfury toggle) for turning objects on and off

It gives options for blend shape toggles as well

[royal epoch]

does anyone do avatar commissions I need an avatar made out of this image and animations with it that might involve particle animations

[patent geyser]

no. i want to fix THIS ONE. where did i ask for advice on vrcfury?

[keen jay]

Is it a Boolean toggle then?

[ornate stump]

#avatar-general message

[patent geyser]

no idea. i dont know anything about toggles.

[keen jay]

If it's a toggle as in on or off it has to be a boolean. The reason I brought up vrcfury is because I use that to turn clothing props on/off easily

Add armature link with that and it works very easily

[keen jay]

Did the toggle come as a part of the avatar?

[patent geyser]

I already made another with fury. it still wouldnt work.

Yes.

[keen jay]

Are the boots a separate asset?

[patent geyser]

?

[keen jay]

Or are they attached to the prefab with the model

[patent geyser]

no idea

idk what that means

sooo here

[keen jay]

Okay so all of that blue is a "prefab" basically drop the package in and all of that stuff is added

[clear sonnet]

Hey guys, it's been a long time since I've made an avatar. I made a few that can fly by using a box collider and I'm trying to recreate that in a new avi, but I forgot exactly how it needs to be positioned. I know you attach it to the head and move it the feet, but the results I'm getting are totally janky.

[patent geyser]

shut the fuck up you useless fucking BOT

god i hate bots

[keen jay]

Are you trying to have them default as off? Or save your settings between worlds/instances

And yeah I feel that lmao

[patent geyser]

deleted the animations, STILL NOT WORKING

garbage model i quit ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[keen jay]

Don't delete animations lol, I learned that the hardway

[patent geyser]

nahm too alte

nuked project

i quit

douchebag fucking put a unremovable toggle

fuck em im getting my money back

[keen jay]

All toggles are removable. Some avis are made easier to edit than others

[patent geyser]

welp idk how to do it and its bugged

so not my problem. shouldnt sell me buggy stuff.

o7 later

[keen jay]

I spent the last month fucking up my model and package and now understand significantly more than when I started it's definitely a process

[ornate stump]

We certainly can't fix impatient person that went on rage.

[patent geyser]

Spent an hour trying to fix it. Sure, I'm the impatient one. Pissoff child.

[dense basin]

these security checks getting redone is such a "you have to win every time. I have to win only once" level stuff, ugh

[ornate stump]

Only one hour.

[dense basin]

since it will keep redoing them until the system bugs out and then won't ever do it again

[dusk creek]

Hi, I have a problem uploading my avatar. The notification says I have to play the game for a certain amount of time but it doesn't say how many hours. I want to know how many hours I have to play before I can upload my avatar?

[ornate stump]

#vrchat-general-1 message this

[dense basin]

having to regularly reupload avatars because of weird system bugouts is not ideal

[ornate stump]

Sometime it just got false positive. Like a a gacha.

[dense basin]

I mean it gets only false positives for me since every avatar has worked after a reupload, it's just annoying busywork

[left gull]

asking for commissions of any kind isnt allowed here and will only get you scam DMs

go to VRCTraders (link in #1204490664637890580 ) and find a commissioner there

[dense basin]

the avatar that broke this time, I was literally just using it 5 mins before it "failed security checks"

and had been using it on and off for 2 months

why does it keep rechecking? seems like a surefire way to get false positives

[dense basin]

having to reupload one of hundreds occasionally is a bit annoying honestly, but I'll just have to do it anyway

[arctic ginkgo]

they seem to get angry over everything.. very impatient. i wouldn't help them tbh unless you don't mind getting snapped at.

[mellow drum]

So out of curiosity, is there any good bases for free that are moreso for generally thicker character body types(Thinking Helltaker, Vander, pretty thick arms and more rectangular torso's)

[ornate stump]

I'd do but I might be banned from this server for gasliting.

Can't help myself but pour more fuel into frame.

[arctic ginkgo]

i'm having an issue with a texture, it appears different when exported with transparent background vs black background. the transparent parts appear less transparent with a transparent background.. not sure why and it's causing weird artifacting

i am using vrchat mobile additive shader

since this is for quest

i'd prefer a transparent background so you can see behind it when there's other stuff on screen

it might work okay actually

i'm not sure tbh

i just know that black can cause issues with additive in cutout mirrors

where it shows black instead of transparent

i think it'll be fine since it's always in front of something on the avi

maybe it's something with how my image editor exports transparency

[ornate stump]

This might have something to do with premultiplied alpha. You could try marking "Alpha is transparent" which should make color more bright on transparent part.

[arctic ginkgo]

doesn't make any difference :/

i think i might just go with a black background instead since it shouldn't ever be over the cutout part of a cutout mirror

[ornate stump]

Yes. Do without transparent for additive blend.

[orchid nebula]

anyone know how to remove that?

[junior void]

'that' what

[orchid nebula]

the feathers in the back i removed the mesh and that's what's left

[junior void]

there is a blendshape on the mesh to make it flat but it will be shaded a little weird. see if thats enough for you

[orchid nebula]

yk where it is?

[junior void]

on the body mesh

are you in unity rn?

or blender?

[orchid nebula]

unity

[junior void]

then click the body in your scene twice so it has an orange outline, not a blue one

then in the inspector, your blendshapes are probably collapsed

you can just expand them there, find the "fluff hide" shapes and play with them

[orchid nebula]

alr

i did not see that

thx

[vernal pecan]

Im using GoGoLoco Action layer to pose avatar's hands behind back, leaving rest of the body tracked. But in the same time my eyes, that i control thru the blend tree with eye bone rotations becomes uncontrollable

i removed eye bones from pose animation

i don't quite understand what blocks my eyes from being controlled when this animation-pose is active

[hollow hemlock]

Howd i fix vrc sdk error ??

[balmy barn]

enable [collapse] << merges same error into one instead of 600 lines] try building - post the top 10~ red errors

[thin compass]

Does anyone have any info on how the avatars that mute yourself for others work? As in, when you're actively talking, it might send the blendshapes through for talking but won't emit your microphone audio

Usually its combined with the fact that people with the same avatar will end up being able to hear you.

Am i to assume there's somekind of audio dampening component or something?

[indigo compass]

Am i to assume there's somekind of audio dampening component or something?
Ha, nah, it is cursed.

I forget if this is the exact method because I have only heard the method described but something along the lines of; have a contact receiver and a local only sender (so the avatars can detect themselves), unless the receiver is being activated or you are the local player then use constraints to place your armature at the origin of the world or somewhere far away while puppeting a proxy skeleton that is your avatar's actual armature (I think the source of your voice was parented to the head bone so it was movable).

[vestal nova]

Was wondering if anyone knew how to make custom hand gestures that you can pose and lock like certain public booth models have. Such as making certain hand signals/asl gestures, is it a unity thing or blender thing?

[ornate stump]

Can be done in either unity or blender.

[vestal nova]

How does one do it tho?

[ornate stump]

In unity, you could copy hand animation from sample files and edit from there.

[vestal nova]

Such as the proxy animation files?

[ornate stump]

Yes.

[vestal nova]

I've tried that before, and whenever I did any rotations and stretches whenever I recorded the animations it just resets, and doesn't save. Am I doing something wrong?

[desert elk]

I'd also like to know

[vestal nova]

For example I tried recorded and edited the "proxy_hands_gun" animation, and after I'm finished and tried previewing it, it resets back into finger gun

[desert elk]

because it also resets for me whenever I try

[ornate stump]

You have to edit muscle parameters in animation tab.

[vestal nova]

Is it not the bones that I'm editing?

[ornate stump]

You don't animate directly on bone transform.

[vestal nova]

Is there a video example you can show or any demonstration that you can provide that can help, because I'm quite confused on what you mean tbh

[ornate stump]

Humanoid rig animation has to be done via muscle parameter.

[desert elk]

video would be helpful for sure

[vestal nova]

Are you talking about these down here?

[ornate stump]

That.

[desert elk]

yeah, that's what I was doing but it resets XD

[vestal nova]

ohhhh, I see now

[desert elk]

oh well

maybe I'm just doing something wrong

[vestal nova]

I can try to edit this, but a video example would still be nice if you can provide it.

[ornate stump]

I don't have video.

[vestal nova]

It seems to work now, the edits that I've recorded are saved now, ty for the help

Just gotta see if it turns up ingame after I finish setting it up fully

[vestal nova]

I finished with everything and the recordings saved, but how do I make it where it can lock on index controllers? It works on quest controllers but not on index controllers

[ornate stump]

Use state behavior to switch between tracking state https://creators.vrchat.com/avatars/state-behaviors/#animator-tracking-control

[vestal nova]

Do I put that on each gesture?

[ornate stump]

It depends on how you want to switch between animation or track gesture. I don't use index so I have no idea how index tracking behave.

[vestal nova]

For the track control, what do I change for the gesture?

Do I tick The animation?

[bleak jolt]

im trying to upload a quest version of an avi and the unity file for the avi is the quest and pc version of the avi combined into 1 file, i already switched the build target to andriod but i have no clue on how to "make sure Mikoquest (Andriod) is turned on and all the other avatars in the scene are turned off"

[vestal nova]

Hide the other avatars on the hiearchy

[ornate stump]

If you want it animated then check animation.

[vestal nova]

Except the quest one

[bleak jolt]

uhh how do i do that?

[vestal nova]

Click on the avatar and on the inspector, uncheck that check

[bleak jolt]

i dont see the inspecter in the heiearchy tho?

[vestal nova]

Click on the avatar, and the inspector is on the right

[bleak jolt]

so if its unchecked that means its hidden or is it the other way around

[vestal nova]

if its unchecked, its hidden

Example, the top is shown, but the bottom is hidden

[ornate stump]

Note that "hidden" and "disable" are different things. In this case, it's to disable avatar which is what the checkbox is for.

[bleak jolt]

ok so do i just hide the pc avi asset and show the quest avi asset with everything else showing in the background or do i just only show the quest avi asset and hide everything else in the background?

[vestal nova]

Yes, you can upload it now iirc

[bleak jolt]

also since both the quest and pc files r in the same project do i still need to attach the pc upload blueprint id to this quest upload or no?

bc i uploaded the pc version of this avi in this exact same project

since both the pc and quest versions of this avi r combined into 1 unity file

[desert elk]

you do need to attach the id

[bleak jolt]

yea thats what i was thinking too

also should i do this autofix or ignore it

bc idk what astc does to a quest avatar model

[ornate stump]

It just changes texture compression.

[bleak jolt]

does that effect the way the avatar looks at all or no

like maybe astc makes avi texture detail look worse to reduce vram usage or smth idk

[ornate stump]

To average people, it look the same.

[bleak jolt]

idk how to fix this ;w;

[desert elk]

you need to change shaders

[bleak jolt]

how do i do that?

[desert elk]

locate your materials

and change the shader that they're using

[bleak jolt]

yea idk where u even find this tbh

[desert elk]

in your assets mfolder

or click on your avatar's body and you'll seee materials in the inspector

you can click on them there

[bleak jolt]

yea i see the materials now but where do i find the option to change the shader

[balmy barn]

200+ materials?

totally a quest av

[desert elk]

yeah

i think you may just have the wrong one chosen for upload

[bleak jolt]

no its an avi where the quest and pc version r combined into 1 file

[desert elk]

okay

send a screenshot of the whole sdk

[somber sequoia]

200, wow

[desert elk]

or check if you have the quest one picked

[vestal nova]

Read through the link you sent, and figured out which ones to check on the inspector. Everything works fine now. Thank you for the help 👍

[junior void]

holy shit 200 mats

[bleak jolt]

i did exactly what the directions told me to do

and i got this instead when doing the quest avi step

[balmy barn]

theres quest avatar and then theres 'quest av' wich is just a pc one slapped on quest shaders, thats the latter , if you dont run into the 10mb limit i'll be surprised

[vestal nova]

Did you make sure you have the quest version shown and not the pc version?

[desert elk]

is the quest one picked here?

[desert elk]

well that sucks

good luck optimizing

[bleak jolt]

yes i did

[somber sequoia]

objects with uuid names, fascinating.

[balmy barn]

love they used just a bunch of uuid for their image instead of a name, but i tend to name stuff kjdfogio43i5u43o4h5

[somber sequoia]

haha

[junior void]

i find it really sus ngl

[desert elk]

yup

[junior void]

any time i see that, the hairs in me neck go up

[somber sequoia]

yup

[junior void]

hi chat btw

im studying some math rn lol

[somber sequoia]

is it math for cool shaders?

[junior void]

no, for coding

[somber sequoia]

well that's cool too

[junior void]

algorithms n stuff

it is but i also hate it xD

[somber sequoia]

yup

[balmy barn]

go yell at Cosmowos its the creator you bought this from, right

thats one kitbash avatar listing all the parts about 40 different people

[junior void]

you exaggerated, right

[balmy barn]

parts

[junior void]

what the f

[desert elk]

w0oah

[balmy barn]

https://jinxxy.com/Cosmowos/3XtOB scroll down alot

no stats course

[somber sequoia]

yow

[junior void]

good grace

[somber sequoia]

the menu icons are cute

[bleak jolt]

so is this just impossible to upload for quest or smth?

[desert elk]

you need to opitmize it

[somber sequoia]

it'll be very, very hard

[balmy barn]

cant tell but that av likely very large in fbx

[desert elk]

by a lot

it'll be hard af

[somber sequoia]

you'd have to strip like 95% of that stuff off

[balmy barn]

quest have a 10mb limit, this might been before that (if its not 💩 )

[bleak jolt]

even the bottom of the avi page says this

but the way its worded it seem like it is possible to upload quest version of this yk

[balmy barn]

not a 200material one

you would melt anyone

[desert elk]

yeah

that's gonna cause crashes for sure

[balmy barn]

this person really shouldnt put 'quest' on their page, if you arent showing stats its already suss

(my guess 600k vertices/215 materials/40+ meshes)

you could see that in stat window on sdk and watch all the red

[desert elk]

exactly!

it's okay to make some stuff just pc

don't lie to people like that, come on

[junior void]

just upload a body pillow as quest version

[bleak jolt]

ok well tbh after i uploaded the pc version i did the quest step and i already saw a blueprint id attached to the quest avi but it was different from the blueprint id of the pc version so i detached that blueprint id and replaced it with the blueprint id of the pc version, maybe thats the problem idk

[junior void]

it doesnt matter what the id is

if its 200 materials, its 200 materials

[bleak jolt]

so what u all r saying tis that the quest version fo this avi has 200 materials, right?

[balmy barn]

hey i optimized one to quest , im only showing the pc version on left tho (right is quest dont mind that)

[desert elk]

XDD

[junior void]

we are saying no way in hell this is uploadable to quest at its current state

[desert elk]

yes

[bleak jolt]

if thats the case then why ddid the creater of the avi even make a quest version of it like???

[balmy barn]

things thats flags for me , not showing quest version vs pc or showing ANY stats , clear rip off

[vestal nova]

Looks about right

You decimated tf outta that lol

[junior void]

beats me

quest version included != uploadable quest version included

[balmy barn]

look for a smaller fbx🤷‍♂️

[somber sequoia]

Also, if you did manage to get this uploaded, your own performance is going to suck

[junior void]

you likely wouldnt even be able to load your own avi

[somber sequoia]

I bet if you managed to, looking in a mirror would just crash it immediately

[junior void]

sounds right

[somber sequoia]

okay?

[junior void]

with 200 materials? 😂

[somber sequoia]

I don't this is the win you think it is 🙂

[desert elk]

yeah

looking in the mirror is gonna be a disaster

or other questies looking at you

[somber sequoia]

another questie with a heavy avatar, trying to load this one...

[desert elk]

mm

smells like a crash

[lucid rapids]

can someone help me with those errors ?>

[junior void]

install gogo loco and vrcfury

[lucid rapids]

i did

wait

silly me i thoght i did install vrfury thx zero

[thin hound]

Hey hey, trying to merge 2 avatars into 1. I have everything working correctly, the armatures work together, facial expressions work however I am having trouble syncing the Viseme of both heads. The 1st Bodys Viseme works perfectly but the 2nd one does not. I checked to make sure that they both work individually by switching the Face Mesh in the VRC Avatar Descriptor under LipSync, they both work. Tried with VRCFury's blendshape link and with VRCFury advanced viseme but it just wont budge. Using the Advanced Viseme also breaks the active Face Mesh. Anyone got any advice?

[junior void]

merge both meshes and therefore the visemes

[thin hound]

Aight, gonna give that a shot, thank you

[fierce thunder]

Using the blendshape in unity messes up the avatars face, but in blender its fine. any fixes?

[junior void]

youre not supposed to use viseme blendshapes anyway as the avatar descriptor likely already uses them

[desert elk]

yeah

viseme blendshapes are only for speaking otherwise they'll mess up your avi

[prisma thunder]

I wanna get that sweet medium rating, how would I go about lowering the physbones in the hair to a certain extent; I dont need that many!

[fierce thunder]

@desert elk @junior void even with other blendshapes that arent used for visemes the same problem happends

[desert elk]

check if you're endpoint settings have been increased, lower then if yes, if not add some hair bones to the ignore list

[prisma thunder]

Ignore list?

[desert elk]

on the physbone component

there's "ignore transforms"

[prisma thunder]

ahh

Shit all of those have 5 children 😭

Do I ignore the ends or the bases?

Oh uh

How do I add them to the list?

[balmy barn]

Blender , merge bones so its only 2~3, some hairs can be merged too

[fierce thunder]

its not the viseme that is making problems

[prisma thunder]

I gotchu (I might not know how, i hope its where I think it is lol

[white jungle]

The hood position is on a blendshape, default is 'up'. When I put it 'down' in Unity a dark patch appears. Something with the normals? Do these settings look right?

[prisma thunder]

Should I desolve from the base or the end?

[junior void]

can be fixed in blender. original creator should though, so maybe dm them

i assume you meant to show the blendshape is the culprit, or ALLLL blendshapes do this. In both cases it needs to be fixed in blender

[somber sequoia]

Looks like that blendshape has extra stuff moving that shouldn't

[somber sequoia]

yeah that's normals for sure - do you have legacy blendshape normals checked in the model import settings?

I haven't tried but I bet that's a hard thing to get right, when creating that

[prisma thunder]

How do I combine materials?

[somber sequoia]

you could atlas textures, you could bake to a new UV map, you could make a new combined UV map and make new textures.... lots of options

[prisma thunder]

I have 13 materials, just trying to get to good rated, in crayon eating terms, how would I go about this?

[white jungle]

yep, import settings shown. not even sure if something wrong in blender or unity at this point ;-;

[somber sequoia]

shown?

oh did you post an image and I didn't see it?

[prisma thunder]

I was thinking I could combine the textures for all my clothes, and another texture for their alts which would brine 8 mats into 2

I just have 0 clue how

[white jungle]

weird, it's in the post you quoted. let me try putting it with this one too?

[somber sequoia]

There are lots of tutorials on this, and the blender material-combiner plugin can do it

[somber sequoia]

oh I'm sorry, I was looking at the right side image

[white jungle]

no worries lol

[somber sequoia]

so yeah that looks like what I'd suggest.

[white jungle]

;-;

[spark walrus]

In blender is there a tool to push something in instead of pulling it outwards

All I have been told to use was elastic deform

[somber sequoia]

You can use the 3D cursor as your origin point and move ('g') or scale ('s') from that point

It depends on what you're trying to do. See also #3d-modeling of course.

[spark walrus]

I mean in sculpting

[somber sequoia]

yeah, most of the sculpting tools also have a reverse (was it shift?)

[white jungle]

in scuplting? hold Ctrl to reverse the directon of most brushes

[spark walrus]

Oh okay

[somber sequoia]

ah right, ctrl. I don't do lots of sculpting.

[bleak jolt]

how do i fix this bs...

[somber sequoia]

exhaustively covered in #quest-optimization , but you can scale textures down, or remove unused blendshapes, or remove unnecessary parts or even mesh faces

[bleak jolt]

yea idk how to do any of that

all i want to do is just get it to 10.00mb tbh

[spark walrus]

10 mb is crazy work

[gentle kernel]

uhh I need help about unity 3D. when I try to rotate the eyes they always teleport somewhere else

their eyes are spherical

[desert elk]

not if you only need to optimise 00.01 mb

[somber sequoia]

are you rotating with the gizmo there or by changing the numbers in the eye look settings?

[gentle kernel]

eye look settings

[somber sequoia]

Did you make this model?

[gentle kernel]

yep

[somber sequoia]

ok - in blender, make sure you have all transforms applied on all objects. Make sure the eye bones are vertical, with no roll, and the bone head is at the center point of the eye rotation. And each eye is 100% weight painted to its bone

(I'm assuming blender, but translate to whatever you use)

[gentle kernel]

yep i used blender

let me check

should it look like this?

im still a beginner :p

[somber sequoia]

I can't see which is head or tail in that view mode, but roughly - I usually have the bone head at the exact center of the eye sphere, if it's a sphere

[somber sequoia]

it looks really good so far 🙂

[gentle kernel]

so like this?

[somber sequoia]

Yeah - assuming that's the pivot point you want

[gentle kernel]

i guess its cuz of the parenting settings

[somber sequoia]

I usually go in mesh edit mode and select the eye sphere, put the 3D cursor there, then go to armature edit mode and put the bone's head at the 3D cursor. Then the tail +Z a little.

eye bones should be children of the head bone

(doesn't have to be direct)

[gentle kernel]

theres a face bone

connected to neck

[somber sequoia]

whichever you put in the "head" slot in Unity.

[gentle kernel]

ohhhhhhhh

let me try it

[somber sequoia]

Some avatars use a bone in between that you can animate - head -> eye-manual -> eye, then you can let vrchat animate the eye and move the middle one yourself. But you can just disable eye movements in an animation so I'm not sure if this is really a thing anymore.

[gentle kernel]

i will paint them red right?

on weight paint

[somber sequoia]

I'd say instead weight of 1 and no other weight. yes, that's red, but without normalization the color can be misleading.

[prisma thunder]

I dont use 2 of these materials, is there any way to remove them so I have more material slots?

As with my rose, I only use one material but it takes up 2 slots

[somber sequoia]

Blender ideally - they wouldn't show up if there wasn't some mesh using them

[prisma thunder]

Hai, so my earrings are attached to (obviously) my ears which are physbones, and whenever I move, they kinda fly away from my ears. Ive tried placing them on every bone so far

[somber sequoia]

attached how?

[somber sequoia]

so you just dropped this prefab onto the bone. Is that the right way of doing this, suggested by the creator?

[prisma thunder]

Im the creator 🙏

I have 0 clue

[somber sequoia]

aha! Is there an armature? Are they weight painted?

[prisma thunder]

Nope

[somber sequoia]

ah, they aren't likely to move properly then

I'd do this in blender

[prisma thunder]

Me when I dont know how to make armature

[junior void]

weigh em to the ear

[prisma thunder]

In crayon eating terms?

[junior void]

tutorial time

typing it would take a while

[somber sequoia]

parent the rings mesh to the avatar's armature, add an armature modifier, weight paint them so they move with the bones in the way you want.

since rings are usually rigid I'd try really hard to make the whole ring the same weight.

[prisma thunder]

I need them to be toggleable on both pc and quest, im not attaching it to the ears in blender 🙏

[somber sequoia]

... but why not?

[prisma thunder]

Idea

I STEAL another set of earrings

one that actually works

[junior void]

...

[prisma thunder]

Then I delete their model and put mine

[junior void]

way too complicated

[somber sequoia]

yeah that's worse 🙂

[junior void]

you need only 1 vertex group

[prisma thunder]

Trust me 🙏

I'm the king of convulsion

[junior void]

i can guide you in a vc, you can use blendshape to hide toggle it no big deal, just not tonight

[tiny haven]

Having issues uploading to quest in general, everything was fine before my unity crashed while i was updating a avatar any ideas what i can do?

[hollow moon]

Hey, I need help with an avatar I'm making, I have everything almost complete, I just need to get the gestures to work and then apply a sound effect to one of those gestures. (Said gesture being pointing.)

[somber sequoia]

49 errors, ideally show the first 1-2. You may have to clear the console then redo your last action first. THat message isn't very useful by itself
BUT, if you're doing quest, you can't use Poiyomi's shader.

[desert elk]

you can easily do that with a blendshape

i could show you how if you'd like

[balmy barn]

anything but adding in blender

better off adding it to its own bone so it can be scaled to 0 to hide

[desert elk]

Yeah, you could do that too

[prisma thunder]

Me when I fix the issue with the most idiotic and convoluted solution, and its somehow alright for perf and is done in 5> minutes:

[glass solar]

I have a model that uses a bunch of quads in different bones, how do i combine them into one mesh while keeping the hierarchy on where the quads are in each bone?

[somber sequoia]

Go into blender, select mesh parts, reset transforms, ctrl+j to join them.

I'm betting this isn't the answer you're looking for though.

[glass solar]

these are unity quads that I slapped onto the rig

[somber sequoia]

Yeah probably this isn't a thing then.

[glass solar]

which isint

[somber sequoia]

combining those in a useful way

[glass solar]

damn

[balmy barn]

you'd need blender but those wont follow sooo it would have to be redone

[somber sequoia]

I think you can do some sort of combining if you write some C# but honestly I'd go bring this into blender and do modeling there instead.

[glass solar]

I mean i already ported it to blender

[tiny haven]

Shaders on the avatar turns off everything uploads tine but it comes out as a security issue

[somber sequoia]

unfortunately literally nothing in that image is useful information

[glass solar]

also everything gets duplicated when i join meshes

[somber sequoia]

got any modifiers on there? Did you first apply all transforms?

joining transformed objects or those with modifiers is not going to work cleanly

[glass solar]

no modifiers but applying the transforms fixes it

[somber sequoia]

yep

[glass solar]

when i joined the arms and reimported it to unity the movement for the arms dont work at all

[somber sequoia]

are they weight painted properly?

[glass solar]

so when i exported the unity rig as an fbx and imported it to blender the rig was made out of empties

intead of bones

[somber sequoia]

do you mean empties in blender or in unity? 'cause "bones" in unity are really just plain old game objects

[glass solar]

blender

[somber sequoia]

ohh. I have never tried exporting anything from Unity, never had a reason to try it

[civic cliff]

i CANNOT seem to find the material its talking about genuinely

[somber sequoia]

and clicking "Select" doesn't get you there?

[somber meadow]

it doesn't unfortunately

[white jungle]

if not, expand the avatar prefab on the left side Unity and click on each individual mesh listed there. With a mesh selected, on the right side, scroll down to the bottom and it will list all the materials applied to that mesh

[somber sequoia]

yeah I find that sometimes that works, but usually not 😦

[somber meadow]

put t:renderer in your hierarchy search, and try to find it through there

[civic cliff]

nope

just highlights the entire avatar

[civic cliff]

ive gone through them like twice now but ill be even more thorough and report back

[somber sequoia]

check particle systems too

[civic cliff]

omfg it was a dumb emoji thing that got left on there cuz i started over cuz the project crashed

sometimes the hardest problems require the simplest solutions

[somber sequoia]

like nuking it from orbit?

[glass solar]

.......is there a way i can add sprites without the sprite renderer in unity?

[somber sequoia]

I'm curious what you're trying to do with that

[civic cliff]

absolutely

[glass solar]

cause my avi here has this cool 360 sprite look that uses error.ml's retro sprites but I have to use unity primitive quads and the shader for it to work but it comes at a cost being a pisston of basic objects and mat slots which SUCKS but I wanna find a way to optomize it

I wish I could combine all the quads into one mesh that keeps the hierarchy of which quad is on what bone (without ruining the shader too) but thats like IMPOSSIBLE

[somber sequoia]

I'm not sure I understand what sprites have to do with this. But re: quads, you can make a mesh in blender made up of faces and weight paint them to whatever bones you want.

[glass solar]

I mean I tired that before but the shader screws it up

[somber sequoia]

I'm not sure what that could possibly mean?

[glass solar]

i have NO CLUE how it even happens like this

[white jungle]

This was the solution @somber sequoia - changed the smoothing setting to 'face' in blender exporter. I found this by observing if I set asset normals to 'calculated' the issue went away, so I figured the issue had to be something with the normals that were being 'imported'. I had smoothing set to 'normals only' which passed the smell test, but it appears Unity was not interpereting this correctly. Pinged just in case you see this question again, you seem to be rather active on the channel 🙂

[somber sequoia]

So I started doing this recently too. I haven't gone back to look and see if the default changed in Blender at some point, but it works way better setting that, and then "imported" than anything I'd been using.

I didn't think of it 'cause it's a new thing to me too - glad it worked though! I'll keep using this now

[junior void]

😎

[glass solar]

anyone know how I can do it?

[somber sequoia]

I'm still not really clear what you're trying to do

[glass solar]

lower the ammount of mat slots and basic meshes

aka optimize it

[somber sequoia]

okay but what do sprites have to do with this?

[glass solar]

since the retro sprite shader works well with acutal sprties

and replacing it acually lowers the mat slot

and basic mashes

but it wont allow sprite renderers

[somber sequoia]

so basically you're atlasing your textures

[glass solar]

atlasing?

[somber sequoia]

making a sprite sheet out of existing textures

[glass solar]

well i wanna lower the basic mesh count and mat slots

[somber sequoia]

yes

[glass solar]

so

do u have an idea how i can do it?

[somber sequoia]

there's a blender plugin called material combiner that might be of use

I tend to bake multiple materials into a single one with a combined UV map, also in Blender.

[glass solar]

I mean the arms use the same texture

same goes for hands, and fingers

[somber sequoia]

you could just be clever about UV mapping then

[glass solar]

but the thing is

therye all seperate objects

could sepreate objects share the same mat slot?

[somber sequoia]

no, but you could combine the objects

[glass solar]

I could but it would ruin the hierarchy of the quads

[somber sequoia]

I don't see why

[desert elk]

neither do I tbh

[glass solar]

cause all the quads are unity primitive quad

[somber sequoia]

I don't see why you need more than one mesh for that entire body

right - but why would you do that?

[glass solar]

since its a whole model and I wanna have the limbs and whatnot work like how it is with 3d models

[junior void]

What

[somber sequoia]

okay.. but you don't need more than one mesh object for that to work fine

[desert elk]

huh

it's possible with one mesh

[junior void]

Im getting a feeling this was made only in unity

[glass solar]

sadly

[somber sequoia]

re: efficiency, each separate object is at least one extra draw call due to the material slot

[glass solar]

how can i do it anyway

[junior void]

Wait, was i actually right about that

[desert elk]

you were

[somber sequoia]

you were

[junior void]

Why would you...

[somber sequoia]

that's what I'm asking

you could, but why?

[desert elk]

because blender scary

[junior void]

Now it makes sense that combining meshes isnt something he seems to know about as unity doesnt have that

[glass solar]

I TRIED in blender

[junior void]

My dude, its blender time

[glass solar]

I even exported the meshes from unity and imported to blender and combined them

but

[somber sequoia]

"meshes"

[glass solar]

and when I reimported them I get this

[somber sequoia]

I really don't know what you're showing there

it looks like a mesh object off to the side of your avatar?

[glass solar]

basically I combined the arm meshes in blender, ported them to unity and then added the shader

[glass solar]

also theyre called meshes idk what else they are

[somber sequoia]

no I was poking fun at that being plural

[glass solar]

oh lol

[somber sequoia]

my suggestion is to model the thing in blender, feel free to make multiple mesh objects. Rig it, weight paint it, etc. Join them into one body mesh, then export the lot to Unity and call it an avatar.

[glass solar]

but man im sorry for all the troubles

[somber sequoia]

no it's fine, it's an interesting problem 🙂

I'm mostly avoiding weight painting anyway

[glass solar]

yea its a very very unique issue

[somber sequoia]

it isn't really

you've just made it into one 🙂

[lucid rapids]

anyone have or knows the name of this avatar ?

[glass solar]

how?

[junior void]

#1138520828556890214

[desert elk]

#1138520828556890214

great minds think alike 😎

[lucid rapids]

oh sorry

[desert elk]

xD

[junior void]

Get battered

Lol

[balmy barn]

dont make avatars in unity you can add stuff to one (still a euw from me though)

[somber sequoia]

Just seems a simple thing that got overcomplicated

[glass solar]

right sorry I just got a bit confused a lil stressed but I think i get I just go to blender make the planes and rig and rig it as well as combine the meshes?

[somber sequoia]

I'd do the entire avatar in Blender

[glass solar]

right, I did the avi, I brought it to unity and tried the shader and now

I still get this error

[desert elk]

what shader is that?

[glass solar]

retro sprite by error.mdl

[somber sequoia]

yeah I'm not sure what the shader has to do with this at all

[glass solar]

at this point i might as well just contact the guy who made the shader can see if he can help me with it

though

idk how

[somber sequoia]

okay... I'm looking at the shader but I'm again not really sure what you're trying to do 🙂

seems like you could do all of that with a mesh particle and billboard rendering, and any shader you want.

unless you are trying to make a fully 2D avatar?

[glass solar]

I could try that tho ive never done mesh particles

I could probably just ping him but idk if that just worth it

[glass solar]

#avatar-help message

[glass solar]

Should i? This guy hasn’t been active in the server for like 4 years tho

[somber sequoia]

yeah I saw that but I'm not sure I actually get it

[spark walrus]

how do i take ears apart ive been trying for days

[desert elk]

take apart? like separate one from the other or what?

[spark walrus]

yes so i can move them

but not as the same time

[somber sequoia]

not sure what you want here, but if you want a separate mesh object, go into Blender, select all the vertices for one, hit 'p' to "part" it out.

But if you're talking Unity, they should be rigged to bones, so just move one bone?

you might have to explain more

[spark walrus]

they are to close together

but moving one moves both

[desert elk]

you can do what Kazin said, select all vertices and separate them

or move the bones

[somber sequoia]

are we in blender or unity here?

[spark walrus]

blender

[somber sequoia]

ok I'd edit that mesh object, turn on X mirroring, select one ear, and move it where you want it.

split any vertices in the center if they're connected

[desert elk]

oh yeah, mirroring is a smart thing to do in this case

to make sure you have them in the same spot on both sides

[somber sequoia]

yep

also mesh -> transform -> push/pull is useful

(I put it on the quick menu)

[spark walrus]

like this

[desert elk]

turn on mirror mode on the X axis

and select vertices of one of the ears

The keyboard key L may be helpful with this

[untold minnow]

You can also press alt+z to see through the mesh and select all the vertices at one time

Should you choose

[spark walrus]

this one also moves together but they are not physically connected

[desert elk]

they don't need to be physically connected

if they're one mesh and you move the mesh, both of them will move

[spark walrus]

they are seperate mesh

[desert elk]

that's not the mesh

in the hierarchy

I can see nothing on this image

[desert elk]

that looks like one mesh to me

you need to separate them if you want them to move independently of each other

[somber sequoia]

that's definitely one mesh

[spark walrus]

goi it

how do i update her in unity without deleting her

[somber sequoia]

overwrite the .fbx file

[spark walrus]

I did and now what

[somber sequoia]

(hopefully you didn't unpack the avatar prefab)

nothing?

[spark walrus]

She didn't change in untiy

[somber sequoia]

did you unpack the prefab?

[spark walrus]

No

[somber sequoia]

then I'm surprised, that should work

[spark walrus]

Oof

[round comet]

Sculpting rn and my brushes just stopped working period. Anybody have a clue how to fix this? Guh

Was just trying to sculpt some hair

Resetting preferences didn’t even work. I dunno if I need to just redownload blender

[dusk lance]

So I'm trying to adjust my Veiw Position, but the little white ball you use to adjust isn't spawning

[glossy trout]

open hand disables the vape & keeps it off until I reset the vape toggle?
https://gyazo.com/0fcdfa6e8b9cccfe7a89ed70e1910b42
pictures are the states on the left hand of my gesture layer