quest-general

[digital latch]

Yeah tried that

[vast flame]

I tried to reset it and still nothing.

But you know what. Everyone is trying their best.

And I appreciate it.

But, anyways. My paitence doesn't last long.

Guess we wait.

[mossy scroll]

Do you guys think quality is just as good with airlink vs a link cable? My kiwi keeps disconnecting and idk if I wanna shell out 80 for the official cable if it’s going to do the same thing…

[terse owl]

I'm 16 as well and I play vr chat your too add me Soo we can play :)

[cyan viper]

what is your vrc name

cause nobody seems to be able to find me

[terse owl]

Wolie_lexis

[cyan viper]

ok ima get on rn

[terse owl]

Well I'm not at my house rn I'm at my cousin's house Soo when I get home I will get on

[cyan viper]

ok ill add you though

[terse owl]

Alright

[haughty coyote]

Auf der Heide blüht ein kleines Blümelein
und das heißt: Erika.

[frail agate]

We can be friends!

[limber parcel]

If anyone wants a friend to play Vrchat with pls tell meee I need friends-

[haughty coyote]

How do you fix drift in vrchat? Quest user here.

[cyan viper]

sure

[cyan viper]

its your controller so i would say get a new controller

[cyan viper]

that or it could be the world you were in

[haughty coyote]

Is it even possible to change controllers?

[cyan viper]

yep you either request a replacement from meta or buy a new one and when it gets there put batteries in it and it should auto pair if the other controller isnt on

[haughty coyote]

oh alright

[cyan viper]

yw

[hot kindle]

any one wanna be friends I'm 13 add me

[haughty coyote]

Not intrested

[limpid locust]

Savage

[haughty coyote]

Nope mate I ain't having sex with a minor

Hey you edited it

[haughty coyote]

o.o

[hot kindle]

https://tenor.com/view/montymole-monty-mole-gif-22494430

[merry fog]

i have a question just in case i get a quest for my birthday

[hot kindle]

k

[merry fog]

when you move your arms, will they move without body trackers? like simple up and down arm movements. will they no clip through the body or will it actually move?

[royal totem]

they will move

[hot kindle]

yea they will move

[merry fog]

thank yall so much! ^^

[royal totem]

no problem

luv the name btw \

[merry fog]

why thank you 🙇‍♀️

[thick rune]

stupid how just B club removed 7 rooms from the quest side, just for a video player room

[trail agate]

Yo. Can anyone here join me in a world with phantom touch. Been tryna learn it all week

[haughty coyote]

didn't know they removed rooms

never been in that room before

[hasty dune]

Same learned that last night

Yes sad times

[steep brook]

Did they? That sucks

[frigid vine]

Hi

[cyan viper]

hola

[hushed venture]

Sup yall

[magic gazelle]

can someone help me with the link cable, I am having trouble with it. when i plug the cable to the headset and the PC, my headset says "do you allow this devise to have acsess to your data" but nothing else. When i press on "Oculus Link Cable (Rift)" I just get a black screen. I am very confused

[blazing sparrow]

Try contacting oculus support then

[worthy bone]

Did you click allow

[magic gazelle]

I am all good now dont worry g, somone helped me

[haughty coyote]

Cow tits

[wind rose]

sup

[iron ore]

Is there a way to just enable all avatars

[whole dune]

Hi guys!!!

[sly meadow]

Buenos Dias everyone

[worthy bone]

go to safety and set all levels as "none"

[crisp ether]

Note that this doesn't work with Avatars below "Poor" ranking (Quest has a hard restriction to require "Very Poor" avatars to be shown manually.)

[haughty coyote]

Personally I think they should make the perf block system a trust rank thing so say when you are known to trusted you can toggle very poor avatars as automatic instead of the stupid "stand still I need to show your damn avatar"

[placid otter]

^ Yep

[crisp ether]

I mean it is on PC. You can set your minimum avatar ranking to Very Poor, if I'm not mistaken. The minimum ranking is more of a safety "override" — If something falls below the minimum, it's blocked no matter what.

But Quest, due to supporting Gen 1 hardware, and because the ranking system is poor at ascertaining actual avatar performance, is limited to setting its minimum to "Poor", and is set to "Medium" by default. Otherwise youd risk running into major performance issues worst case scenario.

I do think the ranking system needs major improvements though.

[placid otter]

I go into a world i have show most of the peoples avatar there and i just look like an idiot clicking on everyones avatars

[crisp ether]

Yeah...

Luckily it seems to be per person, so you only have to do it once for people you trust.

[opal herald]

Anyone know how to test the quest 2 mic because mine doesn’t seem to be working on vrchat despite all permissions being enabled

[haughty coyote]

That might be something in the oculus menus

[balmy dawn]

Someone hmu I’m bored

[velvet finch]

[terse owl]

Anyone down to hangout with me rn just DM me your username

[hasty apex]

Hey how do i ask a question

When i go to avatar i cant search anything

Is taht normal?

[ember star]

yes

no one can

[hasty apex]

Why

[hasty apex]

Why

[rough bloom]

I'm on Quest2 via Virtual Desktop. When in full body, OVR AS space drag works perfect in vrchat and moves as it should, but when I try to use space drag outside of full body it will just place me way above my avatar and doesn't actually move me around as it should, anyone got any idea on what might solve this?

[formal berry]

Hey, so I've been playing VRC on my oculus account, and I was wondering if I made a vrc account, would I lose all my friends, and favorited worlds? Or could I somehow keep all those things?

[blazing sparrow]

If you merge the two, you would keep what's on the oculus account if the VRChat account is empty (has no friends, favourites, etc.)

[formal berry]

Alright cool. Will it gave me the option to merge them when I make the account?

I figured it out!

[haughty coyote]

Naisu

[nova maple]

M

[cursive pulsar]

I need help

So I just got my oculus and I tried out vr chat

But I can't see other avatars

Idk if it's just my internet or something I'm missing

[nova knoll]

Naah that's normal

Go into menu, click on their avatar and it should say shoe avatar under a "eye looking symbol"

I do recommended using vrchat quest 2 on pc as I'm able to use more features

[cursive pulsar]

I don't have a pc :(

[rustic hollow]

Is it possible to hook up a soundboard to your quest

[nova knoll]

Pc yes just change the sound settings to your soundboard ect

[nova knoll]

Try without as I only done it on the pc version, if not then at least u tried

[cursive pulsar]

Alr

[teal barn]

I will buy VR Oculus quest 2. But at first I can sit in VR chat only in it. without a computer. Is it not the same sensations that will be through the computer?

or i will lose a lot

[wind needle]

cant wait to get my hair stuck in duct tape

[steep brook]

You do lose a lot if you play on quest without a pc but it does still work nonetheless.

[placid otter]

How do I get the pictures I took on vrchat on the oculus app?

[harsh glade]

i have the same question

[lusty cloud]

Hey I got a question so I use a quest 2 with a link cable to connect to my computer and play. Is there full body tracking for the quest 2 I can get or would I have to buy a entire new headset just for that? Because I heard you can use fbt on it from some people

[paper dawn]

For me. I just wait a day and the picture shows up on the app. I know it's weird

[median hatch]

Anybody got any good cloaker avatars? All I could find was Wilson’s payday 2 avatar dump.

[placid otter]

Where would it be?

[opal herald]

Either it’s on the app or you can use a USB-C connected to a computer to transfer the photos to said computer

[opal herald]

Either it’s on the app or you can use a USB-C connected to a computer to transfer the photos to said computer

Just making sure they both get it

[harsh glade]

Where can you find it on your app

[opal herald]

For that I have no idea but you can probably find it on YouTube

[harsh glade]

Figured it out!

[opal herald]

Night

[nova moat]

im debating to buy a quest 2.. i have a semi-high end pc so ill mainly be playing pc vr games through steam, is the quest 2 a good headset for pcvr since its also a standalone headset does that affect anything when playing pcvr? obviously relative to the price point since im not looking to spend thousands

[jagged trench]

it still makes a good PC VR headset quest 2

[rough bloom]

If you're running high-end graphics on your PC and plan on streaming PCVR in high quality, quest2 is not recommended as it runs out of battery and throttles the headset when it reaches those low battery %.
There is no way no matter what cable you have that the quest2 will be able to keep up in my own personal experiece so far, therefore I'd steer away from the Quest2 for PCVR and recommend the Valve Index.

I have however played a 12hr+ sessions of VRchat on it with no big issue

[nova moat]

Oh okay that's good to know, I wouldnt be running extremley high end games I think the highest I would play would be half-life alyx, other than that just games like vrchat

[haughty coyote]

you could use airlink

[nova moat]

Whats the difference with airlink and using a wire?

[haughty coyote]

you can still play pcvr with airlink but wireless meaning you could charge it while you play and you could move around wider spaces, unlike the wire your limited to a certain space and you cant charge it while you play, you get the same things just it's just what you prefer

as long as you have a vr ready PC your fine

[rough bloom]

You gotta just outweigh the pros for the cons, quest2 is very cool because it has its own platform right, runs on a battery, is rather portable

has inside out out tracking etc

[nova moat]

Ohhh okay that sounds very useful

[rough bloom]

Whereas the valve index is just gonna stay in your room really

But is just way better for PCVR in my own personal experience

[nova moat]

Yeah, only thing is I dont wanna spend £1,000 on the valve index compared to £300 on the quest if there isnt any extremley major differences

[haughty coyote]

I can't play pcvr because of my graphics card but I've played pcvr on my quest using my friends PC and it was the same as the other PC vrs

[rough bloom]

well that's just it

I consider running out of battery and the charger not being able to keep up a rather major difference

[nova moat]

Would you say a 3060ti is "vr ready pc"?

[rough bloom]

yes

Depends on the rest of your hardware, but yes 3060ti is a good enough GPU

[nova moat]

Yeah thats fair enough, how long would it usually run playing medium heavy games?

[tight trout]

impo, Quest 1 or 2 are great for an intro to VR HMDs, as they don't require a PC to be used

[vast flame]

I have a complaint. If you were glasses, that rubber thing. I think I'm allergic to it. I don't know, but I didn't want to make a big deal out of it.

[nova moat]

Also since its a battery inside the quest 2, does the battery gradually decrease over time? or does it generally stay the same

[rough bloom]

https://vrcover.com

[vast flame]

oh ok.

[rough bloom]

Hard to say honestly, I couldn't tell you all I know is that in my own personal experience, even just running VRC while plugged in, at some point my headset will die, even if thats 16-24hrs deep on a full charge, it will happen

I generally dont stay in VR for that long so it doesn't bother me so much

And you could just throw it on standby for a while, let it charge a bit

[nova moat]

Yeah true, how long does it usually take to charge?

[rough bloom]

2-3hrs to get to a full charge in my experience

[frank trout]

E-date

[nova moat]

Ok thats quicker than I expected, I think ill probably get it then since I am yet so see any major concerns for it and the price difference is just so big to an alternative

[pliant yacht]

Well you can either play while it’s charging, that’s what I do it never dies on me. However you can do that and it will take around 2-3 hours.

[rough bloom]

are you playing standalone or PCVR

[pliant yacht]

Oculus quest 2

[rough bloom]

yes

[pliant yacht]

I’ve never heard of standalone

[rough bloom]

are you playing PCVR on your quest2, or are you running it on its own platform

are you hooking it up to pc

[pliant yacht]

No

[rough bloom]

well that's what we're on about

PCVR with quest2, it runs out of battery no matter what charger/cable I use

link cable/out of the box charger cable/best of the best usb-c cable

[pliant yacht]

Hmm, that’s weird

[rough bloom]

Yeah fair enough, like someone mentioned there's no denying it's a great headset

[nova moat]

Im talking to someone that connects it with a 1000mAh powerbank and it lasts her 6 hours while on pcvr

idk if thats true but that sounds crazy

[rough bloom]

Hmm sounds crazy but i've heard crazier

1000mAh is not a lot

[desert mountain]

Hey

[nova moat]

you dont need the elite strap to connect it to a powerbank right?

[tight trout]

A classic question: "Why pay 700$ more for a headset?" Its not just a headset, its 2 2.0 base stations and finger tracking controllers WITH a very robust VR Headset.

The Index has been classified as "Industry Standard", in other words, companies rely on it as the would buy 50 to 100 of them at a time.

The down side to that is that Valve has reason to lower the price, hence where the Quest can shine being a perfect entry point VR HMD.

And if you like the whole VR thing, you then link it to your PC and play SteamVR games and expand from there.

[sly meadow]

Bro that foam cover is succ

I had it and it wouldn't quit popping up and hitting me in my eye

It sucks

Tbh I just took it off bc it was annoying

But it was a good cover but like it was annoying

[sly meadow]

All of what you just said sounds lit

[rough bloom]

Never had this problem, but I'd suggest looking into if you can somehow fix it because the facial interface is class, and the foam replacement feels really nice ngl

if not just return it

[sly meadow]

Yeah

Like I super glued it to the plastic face piece and that worked for a bit but I finally just got mad and took it off bc it kept coming unglued and kept hitting me in the eye and my dominant eye is my right one so it was torture

[ivory dragon]

where do i send my invite link?

[merry fog]

I have another question about the quest 2

[jagged trench]

go on and ask the question

[merry fog]

So about the audio- If I were to play VrChat without headphones, would others around be able to hear everything happening inside the headset? (as in the people in the chatroom)

[mystic jungle]

QUESTION why is vrc suddenly taking forever to load but once it does, it runs perfectly fine ?

[noble moss]

Anyone else having trouble logging in?

[ivory dragon]

Hey im building a party club if anyone wants to join

[steep brook]

Anyone wanna play?

[nova knoll]

Yes u can get full body tracking, you can use, I'll have to find the link on which ones and you'll have to let me know if u want base stations or not

[nova knoll]

Should be in your files on your headset if u took them without a pc being connected

[nova knoll]

I play crazy hours on the quest 2 through an airlink for steam games.

Yes it runs out of battery 2hrs later but that's no issues when u can just plug in and simply continue playing. You could also get a additional charging bank that sits behind your head for another 2-3 hrs wireless gameplay

[nova knoll]

Doesn't for me, hooked it up to my computer on charge when it's quite low on power. Still get hrs of game without it dying

[shrewd knot]

when i try tio connect to my pc using oculus link i get stuck on a black screen or infinite loading screen like3 circles

anybody know why

[nova knoll]

Got a photo so it could help me to try and answer ur question?

[shrewd knot]

bro its literally just

i get the notification for the quest saying oculus link

and then i click and its 3 circles

the loading ones and im just stuck there forever @nova knoll

[nova knoll]

Try this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZkScnmrg0NU

@shrewd knot

[rough bloom]

Well that's just it, you said it yourself

[shrewd knot]

thx

[rough bloom]

You get hours of gameplay after plugging it in

but at some point that ends

[nova knoll]

Or try this too

[shrewd knot]

installing what?

the whole oculus software for pc again?

[rough bloom]

and it's not just for me either, plenty of others experience the exact same, and like I said tried just about every cable there is

[shrewd knot]

also that video you gave me is for ioas

[nova knoll]

Only ends when I turn it off. For me it slowly charges up but takes awhile

[nova knoll]

Yes

[nova knoll]

Ah just doing some quick search as I haven't achieved this issue yet

[shrewd knot]

also im really confused for what the timeline is do i go into the program folders before or after the deletion or while its downloading or after its downloading

[regal zodiac]

is anyone else's vrchat lagging badly? My internet is fine and I keep crashing and it ends up kicking me out

[nova knoll]

I would say after deletion to stop any unnecessary duplicate files that could tamper with the headset

Then I would reinstall after I know everything is deleted

@shrewd knot

[nova knoll]

Mine has been occasionally but I'm using the steamvr on wireless mode.

Think it's just the connection establishment, it'll lag a lot depending how far u are away from your router or if someone is streaming a movie like Netflix, now TV ect

[regal zodiac]

I have a personal router in my room that nobody else uses

[fading lagoon]

someone dm me if you wanna play or smth in a hour

[rustic flax]

does someone know why when i launch a game from my pc the screen stays flat and doesnt go into vr mode?

with quest 2

[lusty cloud]

I would prefer one without base stations . I seen there where some new ones that came out recently from Japan

[nova knoll]

Slimevr works and I'm thinking about getting them bc they're in in stock

[lusty cloud]

What’s the link for slime Vr?

[haughty coyote]

Anyone wanna play?

[serene fog]

Uhhh I think everyone forgot about the avatar dynamics that was announced before christmas

[livid pollen]

You can just google slime vr and it's the first link you see

But do look at the shipment time if you are to get it

[lusty cloud]

yeah it says by nov 2022 💀💀

[livid pollen]

Yeah same for me that's why I may be making my own for now till I get my Vive ones, forgot to add you can make your own they have tutorials up

[stray grove]

anyone here just feel someone putting there arm in your mouth then through your head in vrc

im tripping

[hazy harness]

it depends how high ur volume is. if it’s all the way up then yes if ur house echos.

idk if that’s exactly what u are asking but yeah

[merry fog]

But it's hearable to the one wearing it when the volume is at a reasonable level, right?

[merry fog]

It is! Dw

[hazy harness]

yep i used to never use headphones and could hear using a low volume and medium volume and high. i use my headphones though and it helps me hear better because i have trouble hearing lol.

[merry fog]

Ohhh that's good! Thank you so much 🙇‍♀️

[haughty coyote]

hey i am new to vr chat i never made any friends before in a virtual world but i do know that friends can go a long way and can have a long lasting friendship whether in a real world or vitual world
my vr chat name is: wififelix

[proper bridge]

Anybody know how to check how many hours I’ve logged in VRC?

[haughty coyote]

turn off the headset lel

[haughty coyote]

no

[lavish radish]

hey

[sinful dune]

Anyone hear about phys bones coming yet? (Other than early this year)

[crisp ether]

Just funny observation, but me thinks that Quest is CPU bottlenecked, not GPU, on Quest VRChat.

Only a couple of these are GPU related. The rest are all CPU flags. First couple are during world init but the reset are in-world. World is a simple cube with some beams, transparent mirrors, and a pool table prefab.

FPS drops below 60 when looking at the prefab, and in use, under 30. And this is with the GPU & CPU manually set to 4th power, the texture size capped at 1024x1024, and foveation set to high-top.

When idle, CPU utilization doesn't drop below 50% on the first few cores.

[vestal parcel]

you would be correct

[crisp ether]

Makes me wonder how much the restrictions on avatars is more compensating for its high CPU load than actual GPU load. It interestingly doesn't use the Gold cores as much (though Oculus did underclock the CPU so the high performance cores may be running slower than the Silver cores?)

[fallow imp]

I haven't seen a video on yt that goes indepth for the SoC inside

[crisp ether]

Well, apparently the prime (platinum?) core is underclocked below the gold cores, due to thermal concerns. https://twitter.com/id_aa_carmack/status/1318675740989247489?s=21

John Carmack (@ID_AA_Carmack)

@Heaney555 We clock the prime core even lower than the normal gold cores, because it uses more power per hz.

Twitter · Oct 20, 2020, 10:09 PM

[vestal parcel]

check ram util some more. my moneys on ram space getting so full you hit breaking point and crash

[vestal parcel]

makes sence

[crisp ether]

And the Gold & Platinum/Prime cores are the high performance cores.

[vestal parcel]

one day, power efficient chips will get cheaper and better

[crisp ether]

Makes me wonder how much the Q2 would've been capable of with a fan and battery head-strap standard.

[crisp ether]

I mean Apple is already eons ahead of off-the-shelf chips. But they also don't sell their designs.

[vestal parcel]

i feel like some of the load can be handed to the gpu some times, cus shaders imo seem to run p fast as long as you follow the android guide stuff

[vestal parcel]

true, i bet if apple came back to ar/vr/mr stuff, theyd smack everyone p hard, but itd probs be the first cheap headset to cost $10,000

[vestal parcel]

yk whatd be great, not using a 3640 mah battery lol

but my best bet is q3 and qp will have cames on the head strap for vr parkour and other demands like sign language, body demage, fbt, etc

which would take a bit of extra resources

so cpu will probs always be an issue

along with heat

[crisp ether]

lol. TBF a MacBook Pro with an M1 Max running Windows 11 for ARM in VM with software drivers can play some games at 60 - 120 FPS using Windows' sh*tty ARM-Intel translation (which is slow compared to Rosetta 2).

A theoretical headset with that chip, even throttled, could probably run mobile VR experiences like VRC well beyond what Quest can handle. Maybe to the point of mid-range/baseline PCVR quality.

[vestal parcel]

m1 is black magic, its also the only macbook I know 🤥 of that doesnt suck at unity or actual art design (finally)

[crisp ether]

Sidenote: Purportedly the butterfly keyboards everyone hated was because Intel kept promising thinner processors that used less energy, then going back last minute, so they had to make room for bigger batteries.

[vestal parcel]

but im also p sure its how they designed the motherboard itself to be the most perfect environment, the things packing 32-cores for the gpu, a nvidia card at lowest is like 500

[crisp ether]

Yeah. It's a different beast entirely. Then again, when you make the hardware and software, it's bound to be highly optimized.

Kinda clear how much Intel was a bottleneck for them.

Back to Quest: I can see though why it took forever for VRC to come up with an avatar physics on mobile, now.

[vestal parcel]

kino go brr

[crisp ether]

If just basic physics existing in a world is enough to bring the Quest to a screaming halt, CPU-bound avatar physics would've been excruciating.

And from what I can find, the default Unity physics use CPU on Android/iOS, only use GPU on NVidia PCs.

Im guessing the new physics system is probably some custom GPU solution.

[vestal parcel]

ye, dyn bones are evil, same with cpu sampling, i have an audio reactive world and since it uses cpu instead of gpu since gpu doesnt work for some reason. it auto limits your fps to 20. no matter how optimized it is, it just doesnt like doing cpu stuff thats directed towards only to cpu

[vestal parcel]

thatd probs be best, until ram issue occurs again but id assume itd barely dent that either

[crisp ether]

I imagine the RAM isn't a big issue.

With flash storage, streaming assets probably saves on RAM a fair bit, only loading what's needed.

Kinda like occlusion but for storage.

[vestal parcel]

well theres no like.... whars it called when it stores excess memory into the drive?

[crisp ether]

Paging, on Windows. Swap, on Linux, and technically Mac.

[vestal parcel]

cus i can tell you i have been crashed via ram more times than the tradition cube crashers people use

[crisp ether]

Weird. Quest 1 or 2?

[vestal parcel]

ye, theres no page file afaik on q2

technically happened on both

but then again, i randomly host parties while my pc is baking lights on 3 projects at once so i go quest with 20-70 peeps in one world

I don’t know, but cpu def needs some help in newer models

[crisp ether]

Yeah I imagine the audio code, whilst way better just a year later, is still pretty scuff. Otherwise they'd've added Avatar Audio along with 100-capacity worlds.

[vestal parcel]

or tgey could go huawei or wii u style and put the processor on static ground and it stream to the headset lol

i want 100 cap worlds

[crisp ether]

Yeah, the default memory management on Android AFAIK doesn't use Swap Space. Though interestingly the Quest is hardcoded to use a deprecated form of memory management for Android vs modern. (Old was resource based, new is based more on performance).

[vestal parcel]

i also feel like they could do at least a 2-voice count limit on audio if they get worried about it

cus i worry about crashing pc users via audio sometimes

[crisp ether]

I suggested on the canny they mix avatar audio with the user-voice on Quest. Mimic spatial audio by assigning a hard-coded gain-adjustment value (during build) that is based on the sound of the audio from the head of the model. So it'd lose custom near, falloff, and location details, but come out of the same source as the user's voice, for performance.

Though even mixing the audio could provide CPU issues.

Makes me wonder how much of the CPU is wasted on spatial calculations vs actually playing the audio.

[vestal parcel]

that sounds p solid, i kinda wanted something similiar for fallback system

[crisp ether]

My suggestion only fixes the former. The latter... would be difficult to fix.

[vestal parcel]

shouldnt be too high but my worries are stuck on ram and how its being loaded by cpu

[crisp ether]

It's also a shame VRC Quest doesn't have an easy upgrade path to the SRP and Oculus XR... Space Warp would probably be a godsend for it, but it requires the URP/SRP and Oculus XR plugins, whereas VRC uses the older render pipeline and Oculus VR Android.

[vestal parcel]

ye, not defered either so i dont think itd ever work unless they somehow magically transform into defered but then shaders and lighting and all that, but theres a lot of settings i think are missing on quest

like a voice command for a timer, and dynamic resolution control

only can be done on pclonk or sidequest

[crisp ether]

Shaders is the biggest concern. Apparently shader behavior can be entirely different with the scriptable universal render pipeline?

[vestal parcel]

corrwct, very correct, like 150%, its very hard to tell what it does without being on the pipeline in realtime

[crisp ether]

And since content also has to be built with the Oculus VR plugin currently, they'd either need to have an upgrade path to the XR plugin, or go back to Square 1 with the availability of Oculus content.

Which would risk killing it dead in the water.

[opal herald]

That should be phantom touch I think

[crisp ether]

Could be something they do with an "SDK4" within a couple years, though.

[vestal parcel]

i think theyd stay in sdk3, but itd be like a criteria more than anything thatll be “baked in”

like all the mobile shaders are baked in, dyn bones are too, so itd basically pre exist

[crisp ether]

I meant move both PC and Quest to the SRP, have devs move content over in advance through some kind of SDK feature, then roll out client side changes to the new Unity version and the S/URP and Open/Oculus XR plugins.

Since content built with the old plugins would 100% not be compatible.

[vestal parcel]

oh so like how asvr kind of forced everyone to the latest unity kind of style, but with a button for it now lol

vrc has a lot of missing automation i feel

and automation is weird places

[crisp ether]

For example, projects that install the XR plugins now only render in one eye, since VRC uses the deprecated VR plugin.

I also think that's why they only moved to 2019. 2020 discontinued support for the Android VR plugins in favor of the XR system.
—

So if they were to move to newer versions of Unity with newer plugins, they'd 100% need to either offer some kind of "server side recompilation" effort to dynamically rebuild assets on the fly, or start a long-winded rollout process by having devs either upload 2 versions of their project, or by having the SDK do some weird magic and build a "future proofed" version of their world.

[vestal parcel]

my moneys on that theyll try to do it server side since not many people would update or attempt doing such a thing

other wise, itd be a bit stuck and youd have a ghost branch of content

another thing is i bet its going to be the 2017-2018 migration. all over again

[crisp ether]

Probably, but isn't VRC content "precompiled"? IDK how the assets are actually uploaded, so maybe a lot of stuff is uploaded separately, but it seems to suggest that the render pipeline they use would be incompatible without literally reverse engineering the asset's contents.

And the way the VRC World SDK behaves, I don't have faith they'd invest in that.

I had people telling me Quest avatar benchmarking would be unfeasible just because it'd take up development resources for new features.

[vestal parcel]

i also wanna point out how weird it is to get the quest into dev mode and getting debug logs. like I have no idea why they made it so hard when they want people to make content for even the oculus store

[crisp ether]

Because Facebook.

[vestal parcel]

i think this game, at least right now is at the point of what happened to runescape, where they basically got caught on themselves

[crisp ether]

Originally the Quest was going to run Android apps in 2D mode. That's why it runs Android in the first place.

That's why they work if you sideload them.

FaceBook didn't like that lack of control, apparently, and wanted to have more control over the ecosystem, Apple-style.

So Android apps were nixed (current 2D apps are web-apps) and developer mode requires an arm and a leg.

[crisp ether]

Well this, and it was based on the Go, which was based on Gear VR.

[vestal parcel]

true, but i would assume android stuff wouldve still been easy since its relatively open

[crisp ether]

It's open in the sense that anyone can make their own flavor of android and customize the OS.

But that also means you can lock it down more too, if you, the OS developer, so choose.

Some android devices used to prevent side-loading based on the carrier, and locked bootloaders are still a thing.

[vestal parcel]

ok and then theres vrcs in game debug system, like on pc, you can see your log happen in realtime for worlds and watch world events, where as quest doesnt get that, so its just guessing what happened

[crisp ether]

Yup. I think this is due to unity though. There's no concept of command line options, even with ADB.

So VRC would need a separate tool that connects to the headset via LAN to receive information.

Like a self-hosted webpage. Which would use resources.

Some of VRC's problems on Quest are unique to Unity and the rapidly changing state of VR.

The plugins and versions of Unity VRC chose were pretty quickly deprecated thereafter.

Everything is focused on the Universal/Scripted render pipleine, XR Plugins, etc.

So VRC is kinda just stuck on the LTS versions of 2019 unless they feel like an overhaul.

Heh, looking through the udon sharp code, I think I may have found some improvements for that pool table prefab though. They're using transforms in a number of places, but Unity says to use their rigidbodies' movePosition, since apparently transforms ignore physics and therefore calculate everything twice. — Though they do use addForce. So maybe not.

Wish I knew enough about this to actually optimize things.

Like Im trying to get more into VRC content creation, but the avatar side seems unfairly restricted and the world side is also not only not restricted enough, but there's not enough resources to learn how to properly do things like bake lighting or occlude objects.

For example, to get a baked spotlight to look like a realtime spotlight, I had to multiply its intensity by 10 and its range by 2... this makes no sense, but it's what worked.

And I figured that out on my own.

[serene crag]

So.. I think this will be a good place to ask this.. why was the quest not allowed for anymore betas?

[vestal parcel]

they can join beta, its just more difficult and no one really does it on quest

[crisp ether]

There's no beta currently.

The last beta announcement is for a build that has been superseded by recent releases.

And it was taken down because it involved Oculus/Meta features that would've required it to be on the release build, I believe, to function properly.

[serene crag]

Ah okay

I was confused at first. I still wonder when the Dynamics are coming

[fallow imp]

A higher tris limit for quest would be welcome lol

Then again quest literally sort of runs a phone processer

[crisp ether]

Definitely. Especially for SDK3 avatars with optionals.

[fallow imp]

What avatars do you make?

[crisp ether]

Not all 30K of my avatar tris are seen at once. Optimally, less than 20K is seen at a time.

[crisp ether]

I only have one and it's based on another avatar that a creator listed on gumroad.

[vestal parcel]

i thnk a better fallback/graphics control set up would be nice to have before upping limits

[fallow imp]

Ah you're more into world creation?

[crisp ether]

Not at the moment. I know a lot more about avatar dev currently. Dipping my toe in the water with a basic billiards room world.

[crisp ether]

But I added an alternate outfit, and some more props on top of the existing ones, which toggle with both gestures and toggles in the actions menu.

I also had to separate meshes for the clothes to work, which meant additional skinned mesh renderers and material slots.

All cornerstones of SDK3-enabled avatar features like clothes and props, but all things that the Quest SDK immediately "dings" you on.

[fallow imp]

Ah you're doing mainly avatars?

I'm trying to make models for vrc
Currently quest compatibility is what I have to go for

A bit rough to juggle around to see what can be baked and what I can keep as modeled details lol

[crisp ether]

As long as you don't use physics (currently) and custom shaders, technically anything is possible. But unless you HIGHLY optimize the mesh data, and stick to near-close SDK2 ideas (no props, interchangeable outfits, limited materials), you're otherwise gonna have a avatar guaranteed.

[fallow imp]

Hmm well I basically won't have anything just a single skinned mesh with 2 materials

So far I think I'll be a bit below 15k

[crisp ether]

You should be fine. 2 materials might hit you, but not enough to hurt it. You'll likely be in to territory with that.

My base avatar, after some personal optimizations to the mesh. is around 18K tris. And I optimized the prop meshes considerably.

[fallow imp]

Ah texel density will hit me lol

It's a pbr model

[crisp ether]

IDK what PBR is.

[fallow imp]

Physically based rendering
A set of texture maps that define the attributes of a surface so it looks real
Or real ish in case of unity heh

[crisp ether]

OOOO those. Neat.

[fallow imp]

I'll be using standard lite shader

[crisp ether]

Things increase exponentially as you increase features I've learned. Skinned mesh renderers? Additional material slots get counted too. Props? More material slots.

The more you add, the faster you reach territory.

[fallow imp]

I'll be experimenting to see how much I can cram in a single material

If it was hand painted I'd certainly cram it all into 1

[crisp ether]

It's lead to people "cheating" the system using blendshapes, as far as meshes are concerned, but this is actually worse on performance, lmao.

A more nuanced set of restrictions would be nice.

Maybe adding an "Add-Ons" component to the safety settings, and let avatar makers mark props and clothes, for accurate ranking.

[fallow imp]

I'm curious
How do some cram in way more tris than allowed?

I've seen people with 200k tris models lol

[crisp ether]

It's not about more tris than allowed.

It's about the # of mesh renderers and materials.

E.G. an avatar with 2 outfits will make it all one mesh, and "shrink" one outfit to 0,0,0 and grow the other to 1,1,1 when toggled, whilst swapping out materials on the entire mesh.

However, performance wise, it's still rendering(? calculating?) both outfits, just one at an unreasonably small size.

The poly count is not circumnavigable.

[fallow imp]

Hm by mesh renderers you mean separate objects?

[crisp ether]

Yes. In unity they would be separate game objects.

On Quest you are limited to 2 mesh renderers, 2 skinned mesh renders, and 2 material slots, maximum, for a avatar.

[fallow imp]

Going over one of them already lowers the rank?

[crisp ether]

Yup.

Which realistically means you can only have 2 skinned mesh renderers, 2 mesh renderers, OR a single skinned and single (unskinned) mesh renderer, with 1 material each, to even be a medium ranked avatar.

If any of them exceed a specific limit, it knocks your rank down to whatever matches.

So if your avatar meets restrictions on everything but uses 3 material slots, it's a avatar.

[fallow imp]

Ah I'm on medium then lol

[crisp ether]

I'm due to the compounding renderer material issue. If I removed alt-clothes, props, I'd be .

Since I didn't model the avatar there's no way I could hit without destroying the model integrity.

Though Im tempted to try out a toolkit to make a "fallback" compatible version with a little sign that shows that it's a falback.

[fallow imp]

Hmm you can edit the model without breaking it

You'd have to set visible seams where the uv borders are

Then change topo

[crisp ether]

I'd have to decimate the geometry pretty heavily still. The model isn't overly detailed, but it's detailed enough that I'd have to remove key design features to reduce poly count at this point.

I already decimated certain parts as much as they could take it.

Used un-subdivide alternatively where appropriate.

[vestal parcel]

i need to redecimate my fallback, when they forced us to go down to 10k, i just did the based thing people do and run it thru a decimation simplifier and granted, it was a 5k poly difference, it still looked a bit to jank lol

there needs to be an option in blender for decimating symetrically

[fallow imp]

I just dissolve and collapse edges manually

[crisp ether]

There is if you look in the tool options while decimating, but you can only use symmetry on one axis. So for more complex or curved shapes, symmetry one way still mangles it the other.

[fallow imp]

There's always the option to retopo heh

[crisp ether]

Sometimes unsubdivide operations are better, for fairly "uniform" shapes, but not for more complex shapes.

[crisp ether]

Hm?

[fallow imp]

Retopology

And then transfer and bake textures etc

[vestal parcel]

i made the model all the way up to 15,364 poligons from scratch, I have no idea how people make models with so many poligons unless subdiving works for them

but ye, manually decimating is much better in the long run, and calculating your normals in unity to the model looks smoother

[crisp ether]

Would this break the vertex groups? The original avatar uses vertex groups linked to the bones, and changing it too much causes weird behavior with movement.

[fallow imp]

Retopo is basically a new model

You can use weight transfer for vertex groups

Baking textures to transfer it to the new uv layout the new mesh has

And just bind the armature to the new mesh without any addition since the weights were transferred beforehand

[crisp ether]

What is weight transfer.

[fallow imp]

Transfer of weight paint data

[crisp ether]

I have learned 3D tools are built very much from a technical aspect and not an artistic one.

[crisp ether]

Laymen's terms?

[fallow imp]

Oh it's a mix really lol

Weight paint data of the original will be projected unto the new mesh

There are some limits depending on how much the new mesh conforms to the original one though

If some parts don't really follow the surface at all then you'll get some odd results in those spots

[crisp ether]

What is weight paint.

[crisp ether]

Like this might as well be greek to me.

[lunar raven]

do you know what a vertex is

[crisp ether]

Yes.

[lunar raven]

weight painting is telling each vertex how to move with each bone

[crisp ether]

Is this something you do or something Blender does when you assign vertex groups?

If it's the former that would explain why I was having trouble getting a sweater mesh I made to bend correctly.

[lunar raven]

it can be both

my 4 years of using blender, it doesn't do so well with automatic weight painting from the rig

hrmm trying to find a better example

[crisp ether]

I think I understand it.

Some vertices were part of multiple vertex groups on the original mesh.

And sometimes there'd be "holes" in the vertices depending on the vertex group.

This was probably the weight painting, defining which parts move with what, more or less, based on their position and desired behavior, yes?

[fallow imp]

They'll be part of usually 2 groups in areas where they have to bend

[lunar raven]

theres no way for me to know exactly without taking a look at the blend file myself but that would probably be my best guess

[fallow imp]

Those holes are because there's a very small value of a bone that's far away from the one you're moving

Blender doesn't show weights very small weights

So if a random bone has a 0.000000001 value on a vertex elsewhere it'll move

You'll only see it if the mesh glitches or if you click on the vertex to check values

Blender can't mass check a group of vertices so checking values manually is out of the question lol

[crisp ether]

SO basically it was part of the vertex group selected, but feintly?

[fallow imp]

Erh

[crisp ether]

(If i deselect all, select a vertex group in the properties, and select all in group, sometimes there'd be areas of "gap" in the selected vertices; stretches or areas where vertices are unselected, to elaborate.)

[fallow imp]

Do you have a screenshot? Lol

[crisp ether]

Not on hand and my mac is running pretty sad lately and Unity is in the BG so I'd rather not fire it up lol.

[crisp ether]

To try and visualize it:

Vertices
 +  +  +  +
 +  +  +  +
 +  +  +  +

When Vertex Group "This is a group" selected:
[+][+][+] +
 + [+][+] +
[+][+] +  +

[fallow imp]

You mean you're selecting the vertex group and selecting all points in the group while in edit mode?

[crisp ether]

Yes.

So I, for example, may select all vertices in the group "chest", and there may be. like. one or two vertices amidst the selected ones that are not selected.

I was wondering if weight painting was related, or if whoever made the OG model did something alternative to weight painting for the desired effects.

[fallow imp]

It'll select vertices as long as there's any value assigned to it

[crisp ether]

So it's not weight painting then.

Which means retopologizing the model would definitely break it, yes?

[fallow imp]

The non selected vertices don't have weight values of the group yeah
Nah retopology is basically wrapping a new mesh around it

Building a new one

You can edit the original mesh but sometimes the flow would have to be edited so much that retopology is a better way

[crisp ether]

But would retopology understand the different vertex groups, or would suddenly there be areas of the mesh in groups they weren't before?

[fallow imp]

The weight transfer will create the vertex groups on the new mesh for you

And assign the projected weight values to them

[placid mango]

Hello , i see people who play their oculus with PC , do i need a gamer PC ? How can i try that ? In VRChat i have a friend who had mods and thing to get avatar quickly i want that , and he seem to have different avatar than us on quest 2

[woeful steppe]

mods are not allowed

[crisp ether]

Can you elaborate.

To the first sentence, if your PC meets Oculus' minimum requirements, you can enable Link mode to use a Quest headset as a Rift S with SteamVR.

I don't know what you mean by the latter.

[sand whale]

is retopology not an option for you?

[crisp ether]

Unsure. I could try it, for a "fallback version" of my avatar. But my concern is it'd alter the mesh data in a way that'd make it "glitch out" when moving.

[sand whale]

in retopo, you are basically recreating the mesh. I dont see how this "glitch out" might be a concern

[crisp ether]

Ok so is retop an automatic thing or a manual thing?

[sand whale]

manual

[fallow imp]

It'll only glitch out if you use the mesh immediately after a weight transfer without checking lol

[crisp ether]

I would have no idea how to do that then.

To reiterate, I didn't make the original mesh.

I have decimated where appropriate, and added my own touches, but I would have no idea on how to go about retopologizing it.

[sand whale]

Depends on you how well you know Blender. Some basic character modeling knowledge plus a shrink-wrap modifier to make the new mesh "stick" to the old one.

[fallow imp]

Start low poly and conservingly add more edgeloops

[sand whale]

there are plug-ins to make this process faster, but its still manual retopo.

[crisp ether]

I know very little of it. Just enough to make small adjustments. And I know how to make hair with a path tool, and how to use booleans, atop that.

Blender is frustrating for me to use.

[sand whale]

try Zbrush

[crisp ether]

I am poor.

I will be honest about that.

[sand whale]

Just saying there are much harder programs to use

[crisp ether]

And rocket science is harder than film making. Doesn't make the latter easy.

[fallow imp]

Base blender is the most annoying one so far

You can get retopoflow

[crisp ether]

The way I visualize things make highly technical tools with convoluted UIs difficult for me to focus on.

I can suffer through it, but i will be highly unproductive with it.

[fallow imp]

Zbrush manual retopo is worse than blender lol

[sand whale]

my point exactly

[fallow imp]

And zremesher isn't good for optimized topology

[sand whale]

well on the subject of learning 3d modeling, you can learn the basics in a week and use the next week to practice those skills.

no 3d program is without a learning curve.

[fallow imp]

Except houdini

There's no learning curve

Just learning loops

[sand whale]

I'll have to try that.... someday.
too much stuff to learn atm

[fallow imp]

Oh think I've seen your models earlier

[sand whale]

You dont need to learn everything Blender does, which is a lot. But what you can learn in less than a month will help you a lot with enjoying your hobby or making some money.

No rocket science there

[fallow imp]

Pretty optimized topo
Haven't really used tris that much during retopo before

[sand whale]

Currently working on this bad boy. almost at the 10k limit

[crisp ether]

My hobby isn't really on the 3D side of things. If it were as easy as 2D then maybe. I mainly am learning this stuff moreso for other reasons. — 1. My VRC avatar gives me a sense of comfort & euphoria, & 2. There's not enough good Quest content.

It's more or less a hazard; an obstacle to overcome, than an actual interest, 3D.

[fallow imp]

Woah that's clean

Purely poly modeled?

[crisp ether]

Also the avatar has shape keys, blend shapes, and other issues that prevent me from using things such as remesh in blender.

[sand whale]

yes

[fallow imp]

Ah that's nice

[sand whale]

Shape keys and blend shapes are the same thing with different names.

But you are correct in that those have to be remade for the retopo fallback. Same as the UV maps, and baking the textures.

It is essentially creating a new version of the avatar

With some nice good facial edge loops you can create very nice expressions

[fallow imp]

Ah nice

How do you know when to make a triangle?

[crisp ether]

Yeah that'd be way out of my skill range and patience levels with my current life situation and needs. Maybe if I was doing stuff professionally, or was making public avis.

[fallow imp]

I just make cuts but they tend to get messy if crossing eachother

[sand whale]

Its basically the same as the "diamond" when you are modeling with all quads. In low-poly you pay more more attention to the edge loops than the face loops.

Like, when you need to transition from a lower poly to a higher one.

Another is when you need a quad to "bend" a certain way. Since a quad is two triangles, changing the angle affect how it looks when it bends due to the rigging.

[fallow imp]

So basically instead of locally changing resolution with quads

It's splitting edges with tris

[sand whale]

yes

[fallow imp]

Hmm I'll try to see it that way

[sand whale]

have a look at this one

[fallow imp]

Ah

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/664138910443634700/934025317415268392/WIP.png

Here's mine lol

Is it also important here to keep tris relatively relaxed?

[sand whale]

yes, if only because it helps with the UVs

[fallow imp]

Relaxed tris?
How about deformation?

[sand whale]

one of my low poly hands

[fallow imp]

The cube ish silhouette of the fingers aren't really noticeable up close?

Since it's vr and all

[sand whale]

on the 1st example, yes

[ivory dragon]

Hey everyone 😊😊😊

[sand whale]

I try to put enough rez at the hands for it to work in VR. But, textures and normal editing are more important at the lower resolutions to help you "sell" that the model is rounder than it really is

_
This one is a bit higher rez, but note the loops on the knuckles when compared to the ultra low rez on the 1st example.

@fallow imp

[steep brook]

Anyone wanna play?

[fallow imp]

@sand whale that's an interesting one but why not dissolve an edge in the first example to get quads?

Oh just noticed it's an example from Google lol

[sand whale]

Deleting edges only gets you so far. At some point you may have to do something else if you want a lower polycount.

[rustic flax]

steamVR doesnt work.. it launch the game not in VR mode, same game from oculus store works fine.. someone know how to fix it?

[mint oar]

For those who have had their headset replaced should I factory reset it before mailing it to them ?

[opal herald]

Probably, don’t want them looking at your Facebook stuff

[crisp ether]

The quest tab isn't for that. Next time go to #user-support-old.

Have you tried all the steps in #vrchat-support, including the link @ the bottom? (https://help.vrchat.com/hc/en-us/articles/1500002247921-I-crashed-can-t-launch-VRChat-other-issues)

Also are you actually connected via Oculus Link over a USB3 connection, or via AirLink?

[vague violet]

6788215 kahoot

[robust geyser]

i honestly hate the fallback avatars

like the robots were annoying but it was way easier to find a bot and unblock there skin

im forever greatful for those gray robots, cuz it was WAY easier

now i gotta go through everybody to unblock there skin

[crisp ether]

Yeah i miss the robots. I like fallbacks, but they should be optional.

You have to look for a small icon by their user name now.

[haughty coyote]

Anybody wanna play?

^
Not online atm :c

Sad, maybe later?

[shadow zenith]

Why can't we set the fallback character to the robot?

[haughty coyote]

Yeah, what's thinking of getting online later

[haughty coyote]

And we can't ?

[shadow zenith]

Idk I just thought why don't we do that?

[haughty coyote]

Don't..know ?

[trail agate]

I need help. I uploaded a quest avatar and everything, and it shows it on the website. When I log into my account on oculus (My vrchat and oculus account are merged.) and it doesn't show up in "My Creations"

I've already tried relogging in like 3 times

[crisp ether]

You verified that you used the correct account and had the build target set to Android, correct?

[trail agate]

I found the problem. I was using the 2019.4.34

Thanks

[fickle mirage]

Hey, looking for some people to play games with (I’ve been playing a lot of vr chat lately). My oculus username is hen_y

[grave ingot]

my usernane is narutoboi6768 who wants to play

[latent remnant]

ah another question i saw and does the quest work like any other headset with the link cable and a beefy pc?

[steep brook]

Yes

[jagged trench]

yes

[latent remnant]

awesome

was just wondering

[haughty coyote]

My user is Lexiiachu <3 I’m kind of looking to play W someone :> you can dm me on discord or add me in vrchat I’m on rn

[haughty coyote]

^

[cursive pulsar]

I didn't know quests were this bad

I wish I had a pc :(

[midnight obsidian]

Anybody know how to fix my internet on my quest please dm me

[haughty coyote]

quest were bad, in what way ??

[steep brook]

I'm out at work rn but I'll be playing later tonight if anyone wants to play

Dm me I guess lol

[haughty coyote]

T when a quest user approaches him

o.o

[ivory sun]

Who wanna play with me

[haughty coyote]

^
not on sadly

[cyan viper]

anyone down to play

[haughty coyote]

xD Everyone is online when i'm not

[cyan viper]

😂

fr thats true

[haughty coyote]

xd

I would join and chill if I was online

[little wind]

ill hop on after im done setting up my oculus to my computer

[vagrant pagoda]

I’m sorry to ask but is there a way in vrchat to make every custom avatar seeable without having to click on them and click the option for everyone?

[fathom carbon]

Not on quest

Sadly

[vagrant pagoda]

What if I plugged my link cable into my pc and run vrchat through steam?

[fathom carbon]

Then it will

[vagrant pagoda]

Oh pog thank you

[fathom carbon]

It's technically not a quest anymore when linked to pc

[vagrant pagoda]

Alright thanks man

[haughty coyote]

i cant unfavorite any avatars?

[cyan viper]

@Jacky#5724 umm by the way it is possible to do it

[haughty coyote]

Oop

[cyan viper]

lol

[haughty coyote]

I struggle to fall asleep xd

[spring willow]

bro

need help with avatar animation

[haughty coyote]

Maybe check #avatar-help

[spring willow]

fucking hell

bro this server is fucking dead how am i gonna get help with that

[steep brook]

I'm about to get on. Anyone wanna play?

[haughty coyote]

I would join to just chat, but I need rest first lol

[steep brook]

Understandable lol. Feel free to message me if you ever wanna play in the future

[haughty coyote]

^
Is it late for you tho?

[steep brook]

It's around midnight but I usually stay up pretty late

[cyan viper]

still wanna chill i cant sleep either

yo anyone down to just chill cause i cant sleep

[haughty coyote]

oohh

[haughty coyote]

Struggle is real

[haughty coyote]

What's the time for you now ?

[steep brook]

12:08 AM

[steep brook]

I'm down

[haughty coyote]

Damn, ain't resting ?

[steep brook]

Nah I don't need to wake up for anything in the morning so I can sleep in

[haughty coyote]

Ahh okay. I shouldn't be allowed to say that cause I'm up so late lol...

[steep brook]

Lol what time is it for you?

[haughty coyote]

6:10 am lmao

[steep brook]

Geez even I wouldn't stay up that late lolol

You should definitely sleep

[haughty coyote]

Yup- indeed.

Might just take a small nap, and be awake in 4-5 hours

[steep brook]

Thank god for alarms ig lolol

[haughty coyote]

Yeah ^

Welp, time to try to sleep again

[cyan viper]

lol

sleep who needs it

[rotund cosmos]

Is anyone like a tec wiz with these headsets I have a complicated problem and just dunno where to go

[cyan viper]

i am

and question again anyone wanna hang in vrc

[proper tulip]

When I play through SteamVR, VRChat ignores the right controller. It still moves and everything, and works in the menu, but not in VRChat. Even when hovering over a button, the left one highlights it, but the right one doesn't. The only fix I've found for this is taking out the battery of the left controller, and putting it back in after starting VRChat, every time

[cyan viper]

idk what to tell you

i play quest not pc

[proper tulip]

it's on a Quest 2

[cyan viper]

oh

but you are playing on steam right

are you using virtual desktop

ok

[proper tulip]

no, just a link cable

[cyan viper]

thats why

[proper tulip]

?

[cyan viper]

its buggy rn cause of the update

v35 and up link is buggy

[proper tulip]

it works perfectly everywhere, but VRChat chooses to ignore it

other than movement

[cyan viper]

so you can use the hand

like wave and stuff

[proper tulip]

yes]

[cyan viper]

right?

[proper tulip]

but not gesture

[cyan viper]

that could be just steam vr buggin or you are having latency

[proper tulip]

just button presses is what it ignores, and it doesn't even highlight buttons, so it's not like it's just the buttons that don't press

[cyan viper]

latency errors?

[proper tulip]

no

[cyan viper]

no your not😁

your perfect the way you are

besides the the whole account on hold

[quasi lodge]

yo I need help. I’m trying to load VR chat through the oculus rift thing right. And I click desktop but VRchat doesn’t come up on my headset

what am I doing wrong

like I’m loading it through steam but nothing loads in my headset

[cyan viper]

umm is all your hdmi stuff pluged in correctly

video stuff

[quasi lodge]

and I have the cable n shit, it works with beatsaber but not vrchat

[cyan viper]

umm

gimme a sec

[quasi lodge]

why would I need an hdmi cord? I’m doing it the same way I do with beatsaber but VRchat doesn’t work

like through steam

[cyan viper]

it could be something in your settings preventing vrchat specifically not loading

not to load

idk tbh cause i dont play pc but all i know is the rift sucks

🤷‍♂️my opinion

[quasi lodge]

I have the quest 2

[cyan viper]

play on that through link or virtual desktop it solves all problems

[quasi lodge]

I do, I use the oculus link, and then I load the game (like beatsaber) and I click desktop and then it’s working. However when I do it with vrchat nothing pops up

I’m gonna try through the oculus app instead of steam

[cyan viper]

idk tbh

@frozen seal is your quest done charging

[pale pumice]

I cant login to my vrchat acc, it keeps loading, then everything turns blue. I tried unistalling it and reinstalling it but nothing works

[cyan viper]

what type of smoke break like weed or actual smoke

lol dont think we talk about this in quest general😂😂

lol lemme join you

ima go on a smoke break😂😂

@frozen seal you done

dang

does anyone wanna chill in vrc

[cyan viper]

@frozen seal ?

[woeful steppe]

me

im on

[cyan viper]

rn

[woeful steppe]

yes

[cyan viper]

oh im about to pass out in rest and sleep

if you wanna come anyway

[woeful steppe]

hm im pretty awake lol

[thick steeple]

My bf and I got headsets together recently so we could meet in vr when we can’t see eachother irl. We met for the first time in vrchat tonight and it was so fun. Like I was sitting right across from him chatting. Nice to know that when I’m not able to see him irl I can make a little time to see him in another way.

This game is really special like that

[haughty coyote]

I wonder if dynamic bones feature will finally be on Quest

[autumn bridge]

https://www.twitch.tv/asgerisuglyxd

pls join

[blazing sparrow]

Avatar dynamics have been confirmed to be coming to quest (in some form)

Likely with more limitations

[worthy zealot]

why isnt there a streaming camera for streaming yet on quest, i know that theres a photo camera so why not a streaming cam?

[marble marsh]

That camera works on PCVR because there's 2 outputs to render to on PC which is the monitor and VR headset, Quest standalone only has one display (itself)

Also the stream camera does not stream or record, that is done using external programs on PC such as OBS. All it does is change what the monitor on your PC is seeing so it doesn't affect your view in the VR headset.

[stiff echo]

Do avatar pens work on quest? I have one but the pen just floats next to me

[lone canyon]

isnt that the purpose?

[stiff echo]

If it let me write then yea but it just sits there not letting me grab it

I'm guessing I'm big dum or it's broken

[terse bloom]

Couldn't this be done with the MRC api maybe with a little "hack" ?
There's a mod for beat saber doing exactly this and you record using obs on pc

I reckon this is doable on BS because the game isn't as heavy as vrc, the quest won't be able to render 2 times the game for a stream pov

[cyan viper]

it is

[haughty coyote]

Fun

[dull sun]

hello fellow quest users

[nova knoll]

Need help?

[idle musk]

Is there a larp group I can join here or is this not allowed?

[haughty coyote]

Large group??

[stiff echo]

That or they mean live action roleplay

[haughty coyote]

The quest 2 is fun

[idle musk]

LARP group.

[thorn pivot]

what does larp mean
provide a bit of context

[idle musk]

Same as above

A bit of improv, a bit of storytelling, and a bit of drama blend, pour into a greased baking dish at 365degrees for 15 min and enjoy

Nothing on the community servers

[stiff echo]

Hmm for something like that the server is probably private

[idle musk]

Right

Larp groups are hard to find…

[haughty coyote]

[woeful steppe]

thats a pc pen some pens do work for quest

[stiff echo]

Guessing Snail's Pen doesn't work on quest?

[woeful steppe]

any pen that goes to the side is for pc

ones that are at your finger is quest and pc

[haughty coyote]

Is there a way to top off the VRCHAT plus membership with the Oculus app?

[wind herald]

Is vr chat plus worth it for the quest?

[dry vector]

Anyone Wanna play among us in vrchat

[short crest]

Hi

[lusty spoke]

Hey does anybody have one of these two models

[haughty coyote]

check the #avatar-search-old , mostly somebody might have seen it somewhere

[lusty spoke]

Okkk

[haughty coyote]

yups

[cyan viper]

@haughty coyote can you chill later

im currently at work

or

does anyone wanna chill and watch a movie

[haughty coyote]

oo damn

timezone is so different for u then me xD

[cyan viper]

yeah i know about that one but i forgot by how much are they different

what time is it for you and am or pm

[haughty coyote]

is 11:35 pm

[cyan viper]

its almost midnight

dang where you live

[haughty coyote]

in europe xD

[cyan viper]

oh thats why😅

im live in Kansas

[haughty coyote]

haha yeaah

:>

[cyan viper]

😁

[haughty coyote]

Maybe whenever you have time off, maybe we can hang xD

[humble fiber]

does anyone know how to fix the problem of not being able to get into vr chat? ive reinstalled the app and everything and its not working someone help-

[haughty coyote]

I had to factory reset mine cause it happened to most of my apps

So my friend can't load into some worlds, she has a quest 1 and when she tries to open a world like Remnant VR: Vale she gets sent home with the message "System ran out of memory".
This happened to me before when I used to have a quest 1 and all I had to do was delete some apps and it worked, but she has deleted everything but vrchat and it still won't work. Any help?

[opal herald]

Has she tried deleting the cache in vrchat?

[haughty coyote]

I told her to an hour ago

She'll do it next time she gets on i guess ill see if it worked

[opal herald]

Alright

[uncut gorge]

yooo thats me

[lavish radish]

is it fr

[uncut gorge]

no no it is not

[lavish radish]

ok thank god

[uncut gorge]

lmfao

[lavish radish]

he made me and my friend extremely uncomfortable me and her are 16 and 17 and hes 39 saying he sees noting wrong with liking younger boys/girls saying hed let his daughter date older guys

[uncut gorge]

oh dear god

[lavish radish]

yeah

[cosmic walrus]

Don't callout names here (rule 5). Make a moderation ticket using the links in #moderation-reports if you have evidence.

[lavish radish]

ok

[uncut gorge]

i guess pedophile gaming finally got a vr headset

[lavish radish]

yeah

putting in a ticket takes too much time fuck it

[cyan viper]

anyone down to hang

[lavish radish]

sure

[woeful steppe]

anyone wanna join me?

[misty rivet]

I have a question for you guys: So I’ve been having issues with the headphone jack on my Quest 2 since yesterday midnight. It was working really well prior to that but when I got back from the bathroom and tried resuming my gameplay, the sound stopped coming out of my headphones.

[thorn pivot]

this is also a vrchat channel lol

[uneven needle]

Hello

[cyan viper]

anyone still up to hang

[uneven needle]

Currently vibing to music but I can in a bit

Gotta charge my headset first

[cyan viper]

nvm sorry

[uneven needle]

oof it’s ok

[raw briar]

Anyone else having trouble just loading into the game?

[uneven needle]

not as much

[raw briar]

?

[uneven needle]

I use to have issues than it just stop

It still happens but not as nearly as much when I first got the game

[raw briar]

How was the game loading?

[uneven needle]

Dogshit💀

But now it’s like, ehhh

[raw briar]

It takes 30mins just to have the chance of loading into the game

When is vrc going to update the game like wtf

[uneven needle]

Soon

[raw briar]

Like a week?

[uneven needle]

Tbh Idek

[raw briar]

It would be nice to play one of my favorite games

[celest grove]

Anyone with a quest who doesn’t have a VR capable PC needs to check out Plutosphere! Play PCVR games WITHOUT A PC! It is in closed beta right now and as an active beta tester I can tell you its amazing! https://youtu.be/suqxFB4WTYo

[haughty coyote]

Me when I find someone who makes a world run at 11 fps with no one in it and it looks like shit on quest

[stiff echo]

Madness is such a classic

[haughty coyote]

I agree

A childhood favourite

[hybrid cedar]

Hello everyone, is there a way to search throught the thread so I don't end up asking the same question?

[stiff echo]

Search button next to the user list

[haughty coyote]

How do you access photos taken from camera ?

[hybrid cedar]

Nm.So question. I'm having my game crash/black screen, stutter, then sensors go all crazy when I'm in certain rooms(altspace) I'm connected via wifi 5ghz. Changed my refresh rate on the quest from auto to 60. And have batteries coming in that are 1.5 instead of 1.2. I'm not sure what my problem could be, any suggestions?

@haughty coyote on a quest via pc and Which game? I know when in altspace you have to log into altspace from web to access the pictures.

[haughty coyote]

I wish it would be easier with the Oculus app

I don’t have a PC just to let you know

[haughty coyote]

VRCHAT

[hybrid cedar]

@haughty coyote I looked online for you. I'm not sure via the quest on PC. I would assume there would be an option somewhere in game to access them. Sorry I could be of more help.

[cyan viper]

@raw briar you still need help

@anyone if you want to play vr in a cloud i recommend shadow though its expensive it plays games fine on a good wifi connection

[haughty coyote]

shadow ?

[celest grove]

Plutosphere is better, and if you can get into the beta its free until they figure out the price. It runs on amazon servers so it’s available in more places and the network is more reliable, been using it for about 2 months now with no problems.

[cyan viper]

@celest grove I know but until i win a giveaway im using shadow

[haughty coyote]

I linked my steam to vr chat, but it still says visitor rank, ive been playing since 2016, can someone help

[hazy harness]

wdym, u can still ask questions if ur having trouble with ur headset.

[haughty coyote]

yeah

[opal herald]

A

[opal herald]

Here

[haughty coyote]

So this

Actually needs to be an avatar

[cyan viper]

@haughty coyote are subscribed to vrchat plus

[haughty coyote]

yes

huh, that's odd

[terse bloom]

unfortunately i have a 1Mbps bandwidth

[haughty coyote]

[cyan viper]

contact vrchat

[haughty coyote]

^

[shut needle]

I have a question, anyone got a good site for full body tracking that works with euros?

[terse owl]

I won't know but I have a friend with full body tracking but I'm sure idk

[cyan viper]

@shut needle you could try and somehow or somewhere find something that converts your euros to us

im not sure but

and i ask this alot but does anyone wanna chill and watch a movie in Movie And Chill

[haughty coyote]

movie mood ?

[cyan viper]

yea i was thinking of watching Encanto but i hate watching movieing vr alone

movies*

[haughty coyote]

Ohhh, for that reason that world I can't hear the sound :c

..

[cyan viper]

do you play pc vr

[haughty coyote]

haha no

I have my quest

[cyan viper]

umm do you have allow untrusted urls allowed in settings

[haughty coyote]

^ yeah xD

[cyan viper]

....

[haughty coyote]

Yeah, don't know-

[cyan viper]

like can you see the movie

sorry for the long time wait i hate work

[haughty coyote]

haha no worries, I can see the movie xD

[cyan viper]

is your world sound turned on

[haughty coyote]

Yeah, everthing

everything* bleh

[cyan viper]

😂

have you tried to delet then re install it

[haughty coyote]

pff delete whaat xD ?

[cyan viper]

vrchat idk what else

we are on vrchats server talking about vrchat , and vrchat sound issues

delete rec room it might help

[haughty coyote]

rec room, i don't have that lol ?

[cyan viper]

pls dont get it omg it sucks

the kids are soooo annoying

[haughty coyote]

^
haha i don't think of getting it at all

[cyan viper]

good

@haughty coyote what time is it for you i forget

[haughty coyote]

3 am lmao

[cyan viper]

do you got school or work tm

[haughty coyote]

nopes

[cyan viper]

nothing

[haughty coyote]

No school no work tomorrow xd

[cyan viper]

LUCKY

wanna stay up for a lil bit longer and watch a movie

or when you actually going to bed

[haughty coyote]

haha, I better get some rest- but I struggle with sleep

[cyan viper]

so you wanna stay up for lil longer😁

quick question do you sleep in vr

[haughty coyote]

Haha never tried XD

[cyan viper]

bet i wanna show how nice it is to sleep in vr

pls let me show you🥺

[haughty coyote]

Do you do that ? o.

[cyan viper]

yea from time to time i havent really been on vrchat cause i usually sleep wit people but they be busy all the time

[haughty coyote]

Ohh damn, I really don't know how people sleep in VR XD

[cyan viper]

ill show you

[weary venture]

Heyy!!

[cyan viper]

hey

[haughty coyote]

hellu

[weary venture]

I just started out 3 days ago :) loving it so far

[cyan viper]

vrchat

[haughty coyote]

Ayyy noice

[cyan viper]

🍞

[weary venture]

[cyan viper]

🎁

@haughty coyote if you fall asleep before i get off work dm me you asleep so i dont spam you askin if you awake or not

[haughty coyote]

Haha you still working yo ?

[cyan viper]

lol

yea for like 30 more min then i can get on

[haughty coyote]

Ohhh, haha

[cyan viper]

yea

[haughty coyote]

time to get my lenses on

[cyan viper]

yep

whats your username on vrchat

[haughty coyote]

o

Awdorable lol

[cyan viper]

ok ill add you

[haughty coyote]

woo :>

[wintry girder]

guys a have a questien

im new in vr chat and when i select avtars in the mini menu it puts me in a black screen loading, then i need to go out of the game and then enter again , when the game is loading it removes me

i dont know how to resolve the problem

[haughty coyote]

Huh...does vrchat crash or freeze for you when you select the avatar?

[wintry girder]

or anything else

[cyan viper]

sushi you ready to get on

[haughty coyote]

Aren't you on?

[cyan viper]

im getting on

[haughty coyote]

Aa

[cyan viper]

i added u

i think

[haughty coyote]

Ah there we go

[cyan viper]

lol

[trail agate]

I can't get it to work

[thorn pivot]

you can’t get what to work

[jolly coral]

So, I took a screenshots through the vrc camera, how do I get them onto my phone?

Is it possible?

[azure geyser]

I have a quest

[haughty coyote]

^
Naisu

[terse owl]

Anyone down to hangout with me and my friends and maybe my boyfriend tomorrow in vr chat

[haughty coyote]

^
I would join - but kinda shy with meeting mew people

[terse owl]

Haha it's fine we're all chill and we love talking to people and hanging out im shy myself too that's why sometimes I mute myself

[haughty coyote]

Welp, that's good to hear :>
I don't mind meeting your buds, depends on the time

[atomic siren]

Hi I have a question let’s say that I wanna send a pic that I took on the oculus how could I send it to my phone

[haughty coyote]

It begins

[atomic siren]

Wo

[crystal field]

should I buy onward?

[atomic siren]

It’s hard ;-; took me 20 minutes to know how to reload but the reason is because I’m slow

[crystal field]

realoding is easy

[atomic siren]

But yeah it’s fun if you play with friends

[atomic siren]

;-; I didn’t know how and to aim it’s even more hard

[crystal field]

how are the graphics without the pc?

[atomic siren]

They’re good in my opinion

[crystal field]

alr thank you

[haughty coyote]

U do know da wae?

[ember oxide]

I logged on Quest to test my avatar for the platform, but it started disappearing in the mirror. I thought it was just my avatar, so I changed to test other avatars, but they were doing the same thing. Is anyone else experiencing this or could it be my settings somehow???

[haughty coyote]

Soo

U don’t know da wae?

[haughty coyote]

I know this isnt going to be taken seriously and i dont even know if this is the right channel for this but i am currently trying to form a cast for a series/show im making within vrchat if you feel like this would be good for you it would be great help if you could hit me up, have a good day or night wherever you are.

[rancid plover]

gigantic Uganda Knuckles clicks

[trail agate]

The error stops me from uploading on screenshot 2

[plucky pine]

Could someone help me with getting full body?

[haughty coyote]

Yes u do know da wae

[haughty coyote]

ur a new king for get da wae

[terse owl]

Later afternoon or tonight

[haughty coyote]

can i join

[cyan viper]

did you know if i send a referal code and you accept it before you activate your headset we both make $30

[steep brook]

Your pfp actually fits with this lol

[haughty coyote]

Ohh okay, we'll see if i'm able to join later

If I ain't tired or something

[terse owl]

Alright just let me know

[proven steeple]

Anyone wanna play

[haughty coyote]

Will do

[haughty coyote]

I'm not online right now, but I was thinking of getting on. We'll see if I feel tired or not :>

[proven steeple]

Okay just lmk when your gonna or not:)

[haughty coyote]

Yus sir

[cyan viper]

@haughty coyote ill join again :)