avatar-quest

[weak basin]

alternativly, you can get google translate on your phone and use the scan photo feature to try to roughly translate the armature bone names

You can probably get better resolution from the actual hierarchy rather than a screenshot, but it kind of works

Just being able to find the index finger allows us to work up to identifying the hand, lower and upper arm, shoulder, and then the chest.

[low raptor]

Found those thankfully

[low raptor]

I can see what looks like bones in the neck floof area but they are grayed out same with ones in the hair so im assuming those are the ones to make them somewhat flowy

[low raptor]

i cant seem to get the skeleton to show up again but i do know which one is the body now

[weak basin]

Physbones. It's likely that they are just empty transforms with the physbones on them rather than the actual bones. Look at the physbone settings in the inspector and see what bone it has as the root. Click on that and scale it up, and see if it can look okay

[low raptor]

inspet doesnt have a place to show bones at least not that i can see

unity is still giving me errors saying "prefab is missing script" even when veiwing not in prefab mode

[magic slate]

then you still need to install the package which provides that script

[low raptor]

theres only 2 downloads on the page one is for the base version (the one i have been showing) and a winged version so im not sure if any of these are what id be looking for

once again i really do apologize and appreciate all this help always afraid to look into this becuase i felt like i was far too stupid to understand lol

[weak basin]

is there a physbone component on the transform?

[low raptor]

not that i can see anywhere

[weak basin]

So it's probably just the bone. Try using the scale tool and making it bigger. Does it give the desired result?

[low raptor]

uhhhhh lol nope

sorry was laughting like a mad man when i saw da wide boi

when i do what i think is supposed to be the "spine" it just does this. do you think this is just a hollow shell effectively and doesnt have bones assigned?

[weak basin]

the fluff might be weighted to the spine/chest directly, which means scaling those bones would scale other parts of the body that we dont want to change

so your fluff edit is going to require blender (yay /s)

[low raptor]

yeaa kinda figured lol

[weak basin]

So I found the avatar, and its free, so I think it would be easier if I just download it myself and investigate. I can still walk you through doing this yourself though so you can learn the process, but with the files in my hands I can more easily diagnose issues

[low raptor]

yes please. i massively appreciate it

[weak basin]

do you have blender?

[low raptor]

yea i used it a little bit for my 3dprinting hobby but just some basic knowledge

[weak basin]

ok, im importing rn, im going to scrub the project and make sure there 100% is no unity solution to this

found the missing scripts

we have to remove these script components and hope the avi just works still, because I didn't see any other prerequisites to download either

right click and click remove component on all of those

seems like all the armature pieces have missing scripts to :sigh:

no unity solution, blender time

im not finding an fbx here, so I'm going to hope these mesh files can go into blender

not looking good..

there isn't even an avatar descriptor in the prefab..

this is not vrchat ready, proabably because it is old

buckle in for alot of work

[low raptor]

i do have a newer version from a diffrent person but its a bit more chaotic since i dont know what shader it wanted me to use

looks like it needs some sort of marker? called snail marker only reason i havent been using it is since it is the winged version

[weak basin]

ok, well I got the avatar into fbx format, ill send it to you since we are both owners of the avatar (its a free avi anyways so not a problem really)

[weak basin]

update: that avatar was way fucked up like armature wise and everything. if anyone was curious.

[steady idol]

Wdym theres no fbx

Whered you get the model

[weak basin]

It was just imported as a prefab. A .asset file for the meshes

Free Avi on booth, very old

Had to use export as fbx to get it into blender

And all the bones were sticking up, no strands connected

Was such a pain

For some reason none of my messages are sending? I guess no links. Look up the name リコルー＆ティオール on booth and you will find it.

It's the first download there

[vestal inlet]

does anyone know the solution?

for more context if needed

[austere forge]

You have to Install the Android SDK in Unity Hub or add adb.exe to your system PATH.

[vestal inlet]

i did

it still does this

[austere forge]

Unity can’t find adb.exe, which is needed to build/test for Android.

[vestal inlet]

can u drop a link possibly where i could get adb.exe

cuz i tried finding it on my own not much success other than sketchy sites

i redownloaded sdk package 3 times now

[austere forge]

https://dl.google.com/android/repository/platform-tools-latest-windows.zip

[vestal inlet]

okay do i just drop the contents into somewhere?

like to the unity folder?

[austere forge]

No, just don’t put files in the Unity folder.

Instead, download and extract adb.exe (platform-tools), then add that folder to your system PATH so Unity can find it automatically.

The error you showed is because Unity can’t find adb.exe anywhere.

[vestal inlet]

okay how do i add it to system path

nvm i think i did it thanks for help

nvm

still shows same error

nvm now its different error

am i supposed to plug my quest in??

[austere forge]

yes

[vestal inlet]

thank you for the patience with me and all the help i really apreciate it

[austere forge]

You're welcome:3

[magic slate]

if you want to do "build and test", yep. Otherwise just build and publish

[normal vale]

Is there a list of components that is unsupported on Android?

[steady idol]

theres an entire page

https://creators.vrchat.com/platforms/android/quest-content-limitations

[normal vale]

Thanks!

[novel flicker]

sorry to ask that but i have a question , is there any way to make shaders look like transparent for quest players ? (i'm trying to do a ghost character)

[dim cove]

quest additive particle shader

[novel flicker]

ty for the help

[dim cove]

👍
from one ghost avatar creator to another
😂🤣

[novel flicker]

wow that an amazing avi

[dim cove]

thanks, it's the ghost from team fortress 2

[stoic iris]

Hehz this avatar stuff is easy

[woeful anvil]

lol

[magic slate]

fun with rounding

[steady idol]

dont aim for the minimum
even if you are over by a singular bit it wont let you upload

[pastel storm]

spam reupload. it'll work eventually. could take as much as 10 tries

[teal igloo]

sdk's asking me to change this to something in the vrchat/mobile shader list but which one should i use for my glasses ?

it's supposed to be transparent

[magic slate]

none - you can't do transparent on quest, best to just remove the lenses.

[teal igloo]

what can i remove to loose 2mb ?

what's usually heavy in a project ?

[magic slate]

textures first

[brittle apex]

I just learned that transparency isn't supported on my own

strangely tho I can't seem to upload bones to my quest avatar

I can get the PC version to work with the default animation set but the quest version doesn't animate at all

I use a VRC world called Avatar Studio to check my work and it doesn't recognize a skeleton rig

[magic slate]

does the quest version have a valid armature? did you do the humanoid rig setup?

[brittle apex]

pretty sure. it does give me this warning on the PC version too but it still worked on PC.

nevermind

It seems like my unoptimized version is the only one that has working bones

I tried CATS for blender 2.8 and 5.0. with terrible results

How do yall optimize avatars?

[magic slate]

not with cats

but yeah, where it says it's not humanoid, that's your problem

looks like it should be though

try setting it to generic and apply, then back to humanoid and redo the setup

[brittle apex]

same error on the VRC Builder after setting to generic and back.

time for me to try to join meshes in blender and exporting again

[magic slate]

that won't make it humanoid when it isn't

[brittle apex]

is there a reference guide for the bones? maybe I named something wrong?

[magic slate]

names aren't relevant but there's a diagram pinned in #avatar-rigging

[brittle apex]

oh I am missing a bone

[magic slate]

the upper chest one is optional

[brittle apex]

maybe it doesn't like just one eye?

I figured it out............
the animator didn't automatically select the avatar.

I just don't know anything about unity

[weak basin]

Vrchat > mobile > particles > multiply

Texture (it's small to save mb)

I leave for like 2 days and y'all already be spreading misinformation like I haven't told people how to do quest transparency like more than 10 times.

[weak basin]

Reduce texture resolutions in the texture settings. It's towards the bottom. You can set the textures to only be reduced in android build if you want as well so for PC they will still be high res.

[brittle apex]

I would greatly appreciate a link to that info.

[weak basin]

You can use vrchat > mobile > particles > additive or vrchat > mobile > particles > multiply

Additive shows light values, multiply shows dark values

If you need cutout, use both layered on top of each other

The links are in the quest conversions discord but I don't know if I can link that here

[brittle apex]

have you tried the "forward" feature in discord?

[weak basin]

It's a whole thread, it would be a lot of forwarding

I can try tho

[brittle apex]

that's neat. I'll see what I can do with that

[weak basin]

Sometimes you don't have to duplicate the mesh. If there is just one material on the mesh, just click the + on the materials list and it will layer the two materials on top of one another.

[brittle apex]

the version I'm working on has all the meshes merged for testing purposes.

[magic slate]

Poiyomi now has a two-pass option that might work for this too

[weak basin]

You can separate by material in blender, and then remerge all the other pieces. This can break the already made toggles for the avatars though. A lot of transparency can just use additive or multiply. It's rare to need both

[brittle apex]

oh no, I'm confused

transparent is a bit too transparent? currently it's two unattached meshes. I think I misunderstood the instructions.

[robust whale]

oh my god please do not do fishnets like that on quest

use toon standard with the detail map

it has the exact same effect without transparency

[orchid mantle]

Can someone make me a spider man avatar

[magic slate]

you should head over to the VRC Traders discord if you want to commission someone, you'll just find scammers here.
Link is in #1204490664637890580

[orchid mantle]

Thanks

[weak basin]

Already using the detail layer 🤷‍♀️

Also, the tights are their own mesh with their own uv map, the texture wouldn't layer on right on the body

[robust whale]

you can use 2 uv channels, there's many ways to make this work that don't use transparency

if the detail map isn't being used on the legs specifically, you could just make a new material with the fishnets on them or atlas them and move the fishnets to a different UV tile

if it is being used on the legs, you can also always bake the detail texture to the UVs for the fishnets and bake the fishnets and detail texture together

[kindred fractal]

I just edit the fishnets onto the skin texture themselves

more optimized that way

[robust whale]

Yeah you can easily bake them in blender regardless of UVs

[celest nexus]

If vrchat is all about optimization, can we please get a vertex color shader for mobile?

[kindred fractal]

VRCQuestTools has a tool for vertex colors from what I recall

If thats what you mean

[celest nexus]

I'll check that out

[dreamy hill]

Fnaf

[cloud jackal]

is there any fix for the mobile particle shaders? as theyre working in unity, yet break in game?
im pretty reliant on the shader since i use it for eyelashes and more... so im just asking if maybe its a bug, done intentionally , or if im supposed to be using something else?

[steady idol]

those shaders are meant for particles and you can only use multiply and additive
they were never meant for stuff like that

[cloud jackal]

but theyre still broken, thats my issue. no matter what "image" or what im applying it too, both multiply and additive appear as blocks in game!

[steady idol]

because thats not an intended use for them?

its not "broken"

vrchat doesnt support transparency on quest

[cloud jackal]

may i ask whywe have the option for it then?? i know that the alpha blended doesnt work, but ive been creating for over a year and had no issues, until now?

[steady idol]

because particles exist?

[cloud jackal]

correct, so again, i am asking.. why are neither of them working as particles, they appear as blocks, no matter what i apply them too, even if there is NO texture added. im simply just asking why they are broken/not working now

[steady idol]

particles work fine for me

[upbeat sun]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-side-eye-side-eye-dog-sus-eye-dog-lame-ahh-n-emoticon-gif-16286818520950629218

[steady idol]

none of them are having your supposed "block" issue
but as soon as I put it on a mesh it happens

[celest nexus]

couldnt find any tool in there for converting vertex colors, and when converting the textures with the addon they just came out white (unsurprising because there are none)

this is the exact opposite of what i want done

nevermind! i have discovered vrchats mobile toon lit shader actually does support vertex colors :))) this is a pleasant surprise

[weak basin]

Vrchat constantly changes how it handles the particle shaders, I haven't had the block issue but I'll check in game again and see if they broke particles again.

[weak basin]

They look fine on my end

I can check if it's just new uploads later

[weak basin]

Also what SDK version are you using? It could be a thing with the new SDK as well

[kindred fractal]

So pretty omg !!

[cloud jackal]

it is 100% the new sdk! and i have reported it as an issue! my older projects are fine, just newer ones are breaking..
i WAS using 3.8.2 for my quest sides and everything has been completely fine!
many other creators are having the SAME issue with the particle shader now!! i even changed my sdk to older versions just to see if it’d change and it did not!
again very sad to see considering not only myself but many other creators rely on these shaders for quest ( YES, MAINLY for lashes, brows, and blush!! most heads DO NOT HAVE quest options, we have to make them work ourselves !!!!). i am still trying to find a work around, but im sure ill have to do a full on headswap for my avatar : / …. she was ready for release too. thank you for actually communicating!

[sullen monolith]

Is there a setting/plugin to swap out animations for the Quest version of an avatar?
I want to switch from blendshapes to UV discard but I wanna keep the blendshapes method for Quest.

[magic slate]

You can have a 100% different avatar for each platform if you want

they only should share the avatar parameters list

[sullen monolith]

That's what I want to avoid; Having to maintain two separate versions of the same avatar

[flint forge]

Unsure whether it even works on avatars, but https://github.com/vrchat-community/EasyQuestSwitch should allow you to swap out prefabs at least, maybe it can do animation controllers too, not sure.

[sullen monolith]

Ty, I'll check that one out

[olive mortar]

emmm...I like rusk and mafuyu...so i do it......how about it？

[weak basin]

You reported the issue, did you do so through a canny post? Link it here I'll upvote it

[cloud jackal]

i’m not sure what a canny post is! but i did it through this website as it was the only thing i could even find : /
if there’s a different site or something, please lmk!!

https://help.vrchat.com/hc/en-us

it’s already been 2 days and i’m still number 640,000…. i’m currently making my own head edit because vrc will not respond and i just have to “deal” with it

[weak basin]

Ok I can make a canny. It's basically a public bug report a d feature request forum.

So just to confirm, only new uploads effected, newest SDK, but earlier sdk versions are also affected?

[weak basin]

https://vrchat.canny.io/bug-reports?status=tracked

This is the website btw, I can't make a post until later tonight but if you get to it before me then link it here, and I'll upvote and spread it around

[cloud jackal]

thank you so much!! I just made a post!!

https://feedback.vrchat.com/sdk-bug-reports/p/quest-particle-shader

[cloud jackal]

yes!! vrc stated older versions will start to break or bug, so we shouldnt use them anymore, so i just tried all to see if ANYTHING would work.. and nothing did

[leaden kiln]

yo i only play on pcvr, how do i view a quest avi from my pc so i can change all the clothing options cas they out of sync

[magic slate]

you don't, unfortunately

[leaden kiln]

😭

[magic slate]

... well you can upload the quest avatar itself as a new avatar (i.e. different blueprint ID)

[leaden kiln]

NOOOOO

[magic slate]

that's easy enough though

[leaden kiln]

i dont wanna resync it 😭

im gonna go blow some dust off my old quest 2

see if i can sync it that way

[magic slate]

just remove the quest one's blueprint ID, upload it anew, then put the other one back.

[leaden kiln]

wait what

that resyncs it

[magic slate]

the only "sync" is the blueprint ID

[leaden kiln]

im talking bout the expressions wheel being synced

[magic slate]

but you're not changing that

[leaden kiln]

figured out de issue

person who made the avi forgot a bunch of the clothing options in the wheel de-syncing them

so i gotta fix that lol

but thank you for your help either wise ill keep that stuff in mind

[proven zealot]

does anyone know any good tools to port pc avatars to port to quest in unity

[hazy aspen]

uhhhhhhh??

never had this before

[magic slate]

vrc quest tools, probably

[kindred fractal]

Compress some textures ^^

[proven zealot]

thank you

[pastel storm]

2hour, ~30min. Not the first time there's no active mods. Too much to ask for mods with different timezones? Perhaps some that spend time in help instead of only gen 1?

[jade trail]

unfortunately timezones exist and they might either be busy or asleep .. im sure they'll be gone by the morning though

[pastel storm]

This was a problem years ago. Then they got more mods. But of course, you can guess what timezone and what channel they preferred.

[jade trail]

you still gotta be patient man, theres no active mods in general 1 right now either so i dunno what you're on

[pastel storm]

This isn't the only time this has happened, when there has been active chat mods in gen 1. But yes, patience is good with NSFW in a 13+ server, you are right

[jade trail]

theres no chat mods in gen 1 right now

[pastel storm]

That doesn't absolve the past occurances when there has been, hence my request for more mods that have different timezones and spend time in other channels.

[jade trail]

i get that, but my main point is that they're not gonna be active 24/7 and to be patient

[pastel storm]

And my main point is, when they got more mods they could have gotten more mods with different time zones so patience wouldn't be needed.

[jade trail]

even with more mods though people still arent gonna be on 24/7

people have lives yknow

[pastel storm]

Well, if you head over to #avatar-help you'll find good people who are frequently on, help others, for free, out of the kindness of their heart, and have for years, and had a handful of them been modded for redunancy, the risks of people being busy had been less.

[jade trail]

yeah but. those people arent mods .. at least half of the time

we cant do anything about people advertising porn in here

[pastel storm]

Yeah, which is why one of my requests were for more mods, of people in channels outside gen 1. Gen 1 is dead, as you say. Help is still active during these hours, with regular people who've been active at this time for years.

[jade trail]

i dont think "requesting" for more mods is gonna do anything but i dunno im just kinda here

[pastel storm]

It won't, very sadly. But I appreciate the conversation, as it helped bump up the chat.

[jade trail]

happy to help in more ways than one

just be mindful next time

[pastel storm]

sometimes it's better to snip off the last part of any sentence. Yours is really implying I lack some sort of forethought, which gives me reason to argue, that I were not lacking mindfullness of people's lives as much as VRC were lacking mindfullness of their options in mod hiring which would have prevent this entire discussion.

[jade trail]

i moreso meant being mindful of what other people could be doing, i didn't mean any offense by it

[pastel storm]

well, thank you, again.

[jade trail]

you're welcome

[round estuary]

Will there ever be working avatar audio for quest users?

[magic slate]

perhaps when better standalone hardware is the default

[steady idol]

If the hardware wasnt weak

Unity's audio is very performance heavy

[sage mesa]

I wonder if steam audio is any lighter than ONSP, if it is maybe there's room for avi audio. No idea if it is tho

[weak basin]

On one of the dev streams, they said they will reevaluate adding audio for quest avatars since they switched to steam audio

So maybe. But maybe not

[dim cove]

https://tenor.com/view/good-movies-rule-gmr-avengers-end-game-movie-don't-give-me-hope-hawkeye-gif-9699367132154830787

[hushed ibex]

hi , i have a weird glitch on some part of the avi, when i change the material it automatically switch back to a pc/poyomi material, wth ive never seen that before. ive tried restarting unity

[magic slate]

which VRC SDK version are you using?

[knotty junco]

im going insane the wight paint does not work on this part

[magic slate]

sometimes it's tricky to get one vertex. make sure you don't have "Restrict" checked, and I usually suggest painting with auto-normalize on

[knotty junco]

how do i check for restrict an activate auto normalize

[magic slate]

in the 'tool' tab of the 'n' popup sidebar

[knotty junco]

so im starting to understand wight paint ut i still cant remove wight from this

[knotty junco]

.

i cant find it

[magic slate]

not sure why not, if you're in weight paint mode, it's there in the Tool tab. Restrict is near the bottom.

docs on that are here: https://docs.blender.org/manual/en/latest/sculpt_paint/weight_paint/tool_settings/options.html

[teal bay]

Hello

[snow wind]

omg i need to use untiy 2019 to upload it to quest platform....

[magic slate]

You shouldn't...

[kindred fractal]

Why do you need to

[steady idol]

no?

[rapid cradle]

I am always 5 MB over the 10/10 to be able to upload on quest. I have nothing more to delete, my avatar is naked LOL. Changing texture resolution to the smallest size doesn't do absolutely anything. Can someone help me on that? I am lost. P.S. Quest sucks #changemymind (Lumina avatar)

[magic slate]

blendshapes take up a lot of space too. Thry's Avatar Tools has a thing that will show you what's making your avatar large. VRC Quest Tools can help reduce it.

[rapid cradle]

@magic slate is it the knit perhaps?

[magic slate]

I can't really suggest what you should change without actually inspecting your model in detail.

[rapid cradle]

Wanna check it out ? xD I can send you the thing. Idk wtf to do anymore

[magic slate]

sorry, can't right now.

[robust whale]

Try BuildSizeViewer. It will give you a breakdown of what amount of the total filesize is being contributed by what part of the avatar (animations, blendshapes, textures, etc)

It only shows your last build, so it won't work right away. You need to build the avatar, which you can do by attempting to upload to quest. As long as there are no errors with the avatar itself, then even if the upload fails it will give you the information.

[frosty glen]

the black is supposed to be transparent and I'm using toon standard, nothing i do is working as of now i need help

I've already tried re downloading and importing the texture but that only made it worse

[steady idol]

quest doesnt support transparency

[frosty glen]

ohh

okay ty

[dry lance]

https://vrchat.com/home/avatar/avtr_e1e296ea-e20c-4235-ab7e-7b4fbefa3bb0

[knotty junco]

how can i give a prop animations??

[weak basin]

so Toon Standard doesn't support transparency. The only quest shaders that support transparency are VRChat > Mobile > Particles > Additive and VRChat > Mobile > Particles > Multiply. Both of these options will leave the entire mesh semi-translucent, so they are not good choices for pants. (they are also kind of broken in-game right now, but vrchat is currently addressing it in the canny forums) You can leave the black spots on the pants or you can put the mesh in blender and cut out those black spots out of the mesh directly.

[frosty glen]

tysm! I might try that out ^^

[weak basin]

here is proof from the canny that the devs do support transparency for quest. They have marked the post as Tracked and are currently investigating the issue.

it was marked as Tracked after some users posted avatar examples like the screenshotted post asked.

Anyone who still responds to help requests and questions with 'transparency isn't supported on quest' or 'quest can't have transparency' is a HATER and is actively spreading misinformation.

[magic slate]

alpha transparency isn't supported in quest avatar-compatible shaders.

[weak basin]

the average user does not know the difference. The people responding also don't clarify alpha and just claim that all transparency isn't supported.

[frozen marsh]

The VRC Parent Constraint seems to ignore the rotation of the constraint. Any ideas why ?

The scythe should be rotated to be held in hand

[magic slate]

I usually position via the target object itself, rather than trying to mess with those fields on the constraint directly

[frozen marsh]

Yeah that works. I guess it's done differrently than the Parent Constraint component in Unity

[rapid cradle]

can someone tell me how I fix this?

[weak basin]

Reduce avatar file size by using crunch compression on textures, removing mipmaps, lowering resolution, and mesh compression

[rapid cradle]

idk how to do minmaps and mesh compression can you explain it to me?

@weak basin

[weak basin]

In the texture settings, when you click on a texture in assets look at the inspector and there are lots of options there. Uncheck generate mipmaps and at the bottom check crunch compression.

[rapid cradle]

what does the minmaps do?

[weak basin]

So mipmaps basically are lower resolutions of the texture. It will swap out the high resolution texture with a lower one when you are further away, makes it look more 'real'. Mipmaps generate textures at multiple resolutions, but if you don't have enough room they can be dropped by unchecking generate mipmaps. Saves texture space.

[rapid cradle]

Saved me 1.40MB now I am still at 45.76

[weak basin]

Ok, you can mabey lower some texture resolutions? Any 4096 textures in there? 2048?

I'd check each mesh and see if lowering the resolution makes it look ok still.

[rapid cradle]

lowering resolutions doesn't make it go down at all

[weak basin]

It does, it makes the texture size smaller. Make sure you arnt lowering on the PC override and are on the android override or the general settings

That bottom box has tabs so sometimes you could be doing things for windows only when you want to do it for quest

And it's relative, so like 256 -> 128 isn't huge, but 4096 -> 2048 or 1024 is a bigger difference

So for mesh compression, find the fbx of the mesh, and in the settings set mesh compression to 'low'

[rapid cradle]

lowering texture didnt make me go down even by 00.01

[weak basin]

Do this for any objects added as well. An Avi sometimes has all the clothes in one fbx with the body, but sometimes the body and clothes and accessories are separate.

You can find the fbx of each mesh by looking in the mesh render component in the inspector and clicking on the source mesh. The mesh should be inside the fbx and clicking on it will take you there.

[weak basin]

So all those meshes are in the fbx, look to the left and find the fbx (should have like an arrow next to it so you can expand and compress the mesh list)

Since it's a booth Avi the clothing probably also has its own fbx, and same for the hair if you aren't using the base's default hair

[rapid cradle]

it does

mesh compresion low or high?

[weak basin]

Yep click on that and then in the inspector you should have some options. Click on the model tab and find where it says mesh compression. By default it is none

Start with low

If still too big you can put the Shinano fbx at medium and keep the outfits to low

[rapid cradle]

how do I only select the outfits? I only see the whole model

[weak basin]

Did you add any custom outfits or just have the default one?

[weak basin]

I haven't worked with Shinano so I don't know what she looks like default

[rapid cradle]

For now just default.

[weak basin]

Ok so then it's all one fbx. So try on low and see if that is good, if not bump it up to medium

[rapid cradle]

with LOW I'm at 40.99 lol

how does compressing mesh affect the quality of the avatar?

[weak basin]

So basically sometimes there is no difference, but like on high it will look a lil bit uhh chunky like sharp edges and such.

So just take a look at the model and then see if it looks alright.

[rapid cradle]

LOW to MEDIUM only made it 00.34 lower. I'm at 40.67 now

[weak basin]

Are you using toon standard for your shaders? If you converted the materials from lilToon/Poi then there might be unused normal maps. When the normal map is unchecked it won't use it, but the normal map texture still counts for upload size

[rapid cradle]

high mesh compression here

[weak basin]

Ahh yeah stick to medium, lets see what else we can do

[rapid cradle]

LilTOon converted with VRCQuestTools

[weak basin]

What shaders is the materials using?

[weak basin]

Ok so no normals. What is your texture resolution?

Texture resolution is like a big thing with upload size so the fact it wasn't changing the value is weird

[rapid cradle]

1024 excpet the face at 2048

[weak basin]

Way too high

512 the face, 256 everything else

[rapid cradle]

Omg......

[weak basin]

I knew them textures looked too crisp in ur screenshot, no wonder you can't upload

Going to the queen's gala with them texture resolutions

[rapid cradle]

Ok it uploaded. Now I gotta check how it looks in quest

tyvm

[rapid cradle]

going to JUST.... lmfao

[weak basin]

Npnp. If the mesh is too crunchy you might be able to bump the mesh compression back up to low since you probably saved a whole college fund with reducing the textures.

Oh, also the menu probably has textures too. You can make all the menu icons 128 or 64. 32 if desperate.

By reducing the menu icons you might be able to pick your favorite texture to be 512 if the outfit doesn't look good. Usually for booth Avis the face should be 512, body 256, and the clothing is low unless the creator wanted to be special.

[rapid cradle]

this was 6x6 by default

Do you suggest to use a custom outfit so I can modify the mesh on each piece individualy?

[weak basin]

I don't actually know the 6x6 vs 8x8 for compression method, I just click the crunch compression box on the default texture settings and leave it at 50

[weak basin]

If you do, use the blank fbx they provided (they probably have a blank prefab too) so that you don't have all that weight paint data from the old clothing

It doesn't matter too much using the default outfit, since you can usually get away with just low mesh compression on most Avis. Custom outfits are cute tho.

Beware tho, some of them outfits have 4k textures and like 100+ physbones so they can be a pain sometimes. Most are normal though

[rapid cradle]

whould be nice if I could avoid the problem of the 10 hair bones that don't move. I mean I could use a hat to justify it but also need to find a short hair

[weak basin]

Usually for hair you can keep the bangs stationary and just root the back hair and side hairs together for one component. Then open up all the strands, drag the last bone of each one in the ignore section, and then add an endpoint value for y so it adds an extra bone at the end

The extra bone created with the endpoint doesn't actually count as a transform

[rapid cradle]

I see but Shinano has 2 braids. Idk if 1 bone for all would work

[ocean arrow]

Mesh compression? How do I do that I’m struggling and my textures are already low quality or better how do I get rid of too many triangles

[weak basin]

For triangles you need to decimate the avatar in blender, or use a unity tool like polytool

[ocean arrow]

Thanks I’m new to this is poly tool free?

[cyan badger]

Does anyone know why when I test my avatar in unity, the materials change from Vrchat-mobile ones to one that doesn't even register as a material?? They are set in the editor to be ones compatible for quest and they just reset and don't work when I go into play mode

I used VRCQuestTools which is known to work and usually works for everyone I know that uses them and I'm pretty sure that this is just unity being unity and breaking everything

[magic slate]

Got any animations doing material swaps?

[cyan badger]

i think i've removed them but i'll double check

[magic slate]

could just disable the animators to test it

[cyan badger]

I'm pretty sure that was it

currently trying to remove the last ones that apparently didn't nuke themselves

it's being stopped by a material that isn't a part of my mesh and I don't know how to change it to a Vrchat/Mobile one

[magic slate]

You can't edit that - you have to make a new material and drag it into the slot.

That one is embedded in the .fbx and thus read-only

[cyan badger]

oh i see

[steady idol]

Or extract it from the fbx via dragging out in assets folder or the materials tab on the fbx file

[magic slate]

sure, that can work too.

[pulsar mason]

how does that make sense?

[dim cove]

alpha blended is only for worlds

[pulsar mason]

i had uploaded the same avatar with this shader on earlier today

ive used this shader for multiple avatars to utlizie their transparency

[dim cove]

🤨 are you sure you're not using a modified sdk? modified sdks are against tos

[pulsar mason]

i hadnt touched those

those are under the category of particles, not worlds. they always could be used for avatars without issues

oh wait, opening my previous projects, it turns out it was multiply that i was using

this one works

thas quite weird that theyre all under the same category, but cant be used

[magic slate]

The documentation explains which can be used for which case. It's unfortunate the error message is kinda misleading.

[pulsar mason]

yeah the error message is literally contradicting its own words

[knotty junco]

i cant remove the paint 😭

[magic slate]

deleting those vertices from the vertex group is an ideal way to completely remove the weight

otherwise, remember that weights are relative - 0 weight to one bone always means more weight to other bones, for a total of 1

[west tangle]

Same problem, I have an avatar with cut out stars that fly around it, If I set the material to particle type "Multiply" Then it will let me upload for Quest but the stars disappear in the Unity viewport. Will they appear in VRChat or what material am I supposed to set it as?

[pulsar mason]

multiply and additive work exactly like they work in drawing softwares. one removes black, the other removes white

[west tangle]

The stars are just white stars.

[pulsar mason]

I swear to god, theyre trying to optimize their game by removing transparency from quest, but this makes me cut out the meshes and drastically increase the triangles count

[pulsar mason]

use additive instead

for any other color, theres nothing I can advice

[west tangle]

Additive worked, thank you very much.

[pulsar mason]

it no problem

[knotty junco]

how do i delete them

[magic slate]

in mesh edit mode, select the vertices you want, remove from the vertex group

https://docs.blender.org/manual/en/latest/modeling/meshes/properties/vertex_groups/assigning_vertex_group.html#removing-assignments-from-a-group

[charred quail]

Idk here's my first ever time 3D modeling for an avatar, I just need to add the beans, back of the hair, gret everything, figure how how I'm gonna do the eyes and mouth, add physics to as much stuff as I can while keeping it a quest avi (idk the limit) rig it and weight paint it, and then have friend paint it. THEN send it to unity which i haven't thought that far so idk what to do in there and then import it to VRC and BOOM my avi will be complete, right

[daring slate]

Im looking at buying some silk ribbons for use on avatars. But I dont know how to add assets to an uploaded avatar. Plz help walk me through how you add assets in Unity without messing up the existing avatar

[magic slate]

follow the asset creator's instructions - it really depends on what you get.

[daring slate]

Got it

[magic slate]

yeah I wish there were a really easy answer 🙂

[full cedar]

how many polygons is that, it looks like a scary amount

especially for quest

[knotty junco]

how can i use clothing in a pose on a t posing avatar

[raven tapir]

firstly if the clothing comes with an armature i recommend posing the the clothing armature in t pose and apply as rest pose

then you can start from there

[knotty junco]

no armature😭

[raven tapir]

fuuuuuuuuuu

ok there is a sculpt tool that i have used for this situation

[weak basin]

So you need to weight paint the clothes to an armature anyways, you could make it its own armature or try rotating the sleeves in edit mode and then weight it to the Avi armature

[knotty junco]

Which one

[raven tapir]

you can use the poser tool

it wont be perfect but it will help get you there

[raven tapir]

thats a good idea

[knotty junco]

mine is different

sorry i just started making avatars

[raven tapir]

it shoukd work the same i imagine

[knotty junco]

wait what version of blender do you have

[raven tapir]

4.1

[knotty junco]

im on 4.5.3 i will try to change version

[raven tapir]

nooooo you dont have too lol

the tool should stil work the same

even i the version is diferent

[knotty junco]

i know but i cant find it here

[raven tapir]

hmm thats odd

ok sure

[astral scroll]

That topology..

maybe if you dont want to sculpt it to t-pose. you can just give it its own armature and pose it that way

its a lot easier and cleaner

[knotty junco]

you know what thats so simple that i didnt think about it i will try now

[astral scroll]

🙂‍↕️

[astral scroll]

or just lower the armature you have already to match its pose and then parent it to the armature if you dont want to make another one. just make sure to save the number you rotated it by

[knotty junco]

i just tryed when i parent it to the armature the shirt disappears

[astral scroll]

How are you parenting it?

[knotty junco]

ctrl p object

[astral scroll]

I haven't tried your blender version, before so I'm not sure if this would even work. You have an armature modifier and pressed alt+a to apply all transformations?

[astral scroll]

Are you pressing armature deform with automatic weights?

[knotty junco]

and i tryed to add the data transfer and armature modifier but this happens

[astral scroll]

is the shirt already parented to something in here??

[knotty junco]

Which one

[astral scroll]

relations

I mean if nothing works you might just need to give the shirt its own armature. Just a single bone is fine you can delete it later. But join it to the armature and the shirt should follow. You will need to weight paint it (probably by hand) afterwards

[astral scroll]

if it has a parent it normally looks like this

[astral scroll]

Whats the sports top??

[knotty junco]

what do you mean

[astral scroll]

the parent

[knotty junco]

if i change it to the armature the shirt disappears

[steady idol]

Apply all transforms to everything

[charred quail]

Honestly I have no idea

I can just use the remesh or just redo all of it if I must TwT

[knotty junco]

i wanted to use some g mode animations how can i convert .smd files to .anim

[eternal shuttle]

henloe ! i was wondering, can someone tell me if converting this specific follower to quest is possible please ? with all the animations and etc

https://utsuubyo.gumroad.com/l/ppnqd

cuz i know we can make some followers quest but this one is more complicated

or it feels like it is at least

[thorny sable]

one question

why is every avatar yall are making caked up lowky

i need an answer🥀 💀

[dim cove]

good question
i've never made those kind of avatars before, so your guess is as good as mine 🤔

[eternal shuttle]

Wdym? :o

[thorny sable]

why do yall make the ass so big💀 is what i mean

why do you?

[eternal shuttle]

Ah that, I'm not part of those people so yeh

BBL trend ig

People like it like this

I like mine semi flat kinda like an anime gal

[thorny sable]

ah ok im just new also im making troll face

[eternal shuttle]

Noice

[thorny sable]

im very new to avi creating

[eternal shuttle]

I'm still waiting on my help on my end qvq

[thorny sable]

can i see one of ur avatars?

[eternal shuttle]

Can't show rn

Not on my pc

[thorny sable]

ah ok

yk cyber chimp?

[eternal shuttle]

Yes

[thorny sable]

i wanna create avis like him

im starting with troll face

[eternal shuttle]

Noice

[eternal shuttle]

Still waiting for help

[magic slate]

you'd need to find someone who has actually acquired and used that.

[pastel storm]

please don't. no creepy crawlies in vrc. but if you really want to, I'd guess it's mostly quest-compatible already. It might be using unity constraint instead, but you'd be able to switch them with vrc constraints. alternatively, you could find any follower prefab (like the amogus one) and just replace it with the...creepy crawly. can't really say anymore, for reasons Kazin said. But if what you're really wondering is, if you can get it and make it quest compatible, it should be possible and we can guide you here (provided you know some unity animator logic already). you can also contact the author, perhaps they have a discord, and ask more about the feasibility of quest conversion.

[eternal shuttle]

alrightyyy and yes creepy crawlie cuz me likey nyehehe

i'll do that asap

[weak basin]

I want that centipede I might get it and try quest converting it myself

[eternal shuttle]

Oooh keep me updated !

[eternal shuttle]

It's possible to make it quest, just finished talking with the creator of this little babyyy

I'm so happyyy

I'll get it for Christmas for sure now ! Dijejw

[vital tusk]

did anyone got a perfect teio avatar?

[arctic slate]

look in #1138520828556890214 or make a post there

[knotty junco]

even is i have the weight to 0 on that part it still adds weight

PS sorry for the miusic i notice just now

[magic slate]

weight is relative. A weight of 0 means a combined weight of 1 on other bones.

So if you don't have that part painted to any other bone, its weight is always going to be 1

[knotty junco]

ok

[knotty junco]

still

[magic slate]

also this is why I generally suggest painting with auto-normalize on.

[knotty junco]

why cant i remove it and it adds weight

[knotty junco]

how can i turn it on

[magic slate]

look in the Tool tab in the 'n' popup sidebar

[knotty junco]

this?

[magic slate]

what version of blender is that?

[knotty junco]

4.5.3

[magic slate]

ok, I assume that's the same as where I said to look

yeah it seems to be exactly the same

[knotty junco]

what version of blender are you talking about

[magic slate]

I use 5, but I'm pretty sure that's been the same since 3 at least

[knotty junco]

what version of blender do you think i should use

[magic slate]

I have no opinion on what you use.

[knotty junco]

ok

[knotty junco]

going back to the problem

[knotty junco]

how can i solve it

[magic slate]

I don't know what problem you mean?

[knotty junco]

.

[magic slate]

I answered that one already: if a vertex has no weight at all, it will automatically have 1 weight if you paint it, because weights are relative

[knotty junco]

ok i understand but if the weight gets max out the vertex that should not move with the bone will move and i dont want that

[magic slate]

then your options are to either remove those vertices from that weight group, or paint to another bone, such as Hips.

(removing the vertex essentially defaults it to move with the root bone)

[knotty junco]

if i change bone and paint on those parts the paint does not work it stays black

[magic slate]

obviously I have no idea what exactly you are doing or how you've set any of this up

[knotty junco]

if i record what i do can it be helpful

[magic slate]

probably but I'm working and don't really have the time to give you more than minor suggestions

[magic slate]

FYI ctrl+shift click on a bone to switch bone

Also holding ctrl while painting will un-paint.

otherwise I can't really tell without looking at all the weights for all other bones or something

[knotty junco]

does this help

[magic slate]

colors are meaningless if the weights aren't normalized, and this isn't what I meant by looking at it. I really can't make much more suggestion beyond what I did already, you might try to normalize all the weights, you might find a spot that you think shouldn't be 1 when you want it 0 and see what weights that vertex itself has, probably it has none at all and that's why the first click makes it 1.

[knotty junco]

i solved it

[warm sky]

How do i put vroid avatar into vrchat? I'm using unity.

[sinful shard]

You will export it as a vrm file

[warm sky]

I got that part done, I don’t understand unity.

[sinful shard]

what part of unity dont you understand so i can help you

[magic slate]

Export as vrm, bring it into Blender, clean it up, export as FBX, follow one of the many, many tutorials on basic avatar setup, such as this one:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bSwMz4WcajQ

[uneven solar]

If anyone in the Kush cookies discord FR can you send a link?

[frosty glen]

is there any easy way to add a hueshift to a quest avatar? the pc version of my avatar has a hueshift but not the quest side

[magic slate]

does the new toon standard shader have that?

[cyan gust]

Hello everyone so I bought an avatar but never got sent the files it was just uploaded to my account I wanted to change some things on it myself but the creator said he'd just do it and it would cost an extra 200 to do so it's a minor change so I just told him hell no ill do it myself and he doesn't want to give up the assets I bought so if anyone knows how I can export the assets and other things to my phone as a file that I can send to my PC id really appreciate it

[magic slate]

you can't export assets from VRChat, if that's what you're asking. Strange you bought an avatar and got no files.

[cyan gust]

Yeah

Damn

[magic slate]

Yeah - I'd try to get the files or a refund too... but if you the files weren't listed in the original deal, well...

Could be!

[gilded seal]

If you bought an avatar, you're most likely paying for uploads. Avatar creators rarely sell their avatar files

[magic slate]

That's fascinating. My experience is only buying bases though, not customized stuff, so I wouldn't have expected that.

[gilded seal]

It's usually Anime Avatars. For example, Demon Slayer avatars

Site?

Oh, I don't buy or sell avatars in there

I usually just buy and sell avatars through discord with PayPal

What on earth :-;

I don't know of any, sorry

I genuinely just told you what I know about buying avatar, sorry

[magic slate]

hmm?

[gilded seal]

I never mentioned sites at all

And I simply answered that I didn't know, because I've never bought avatars through any websites

[magic slate]

honestly I'm not really paying attention, I don't care 🙂

[gilded seal]

Tbh, they might just be a bot

Idek anymore, people just be getting annoyed over someone not knowing something

I ain't reading that whole paragraph gng 😭

All I'm gonna say is:
I tried to answer the question in the only way I knew how to answer it, nobody mentioned sites beforehand, then when you brought it up, I told you that I don't use sites for it

Crazy

[cyan agate]

i would like to ask the people of here, why do you think that the quest/mobile limits for their performance rankings are so low, like really? 20k tris before poor? more like 15k actually but really?! why do yall think that these limits should still match to current advancement of tech in both phones and the meta headsets.

oh and the 10 mb llimit

should be like 15-20

[magic slate]

because the Quest is a mobile phone

and the Q2 is still lowest common denominator. And when you run out of RAM, it crashes things.

[cyan agate]

Q2 is going EOL in '26 i believe

[magic slate]

I also think that people who've actually profiled this have likely made good decisions.

[cyan agate]

but what is their reasoning. like did they test a 20k poly avi in an 80 max person server with 80 people all as the same avi? like that seems so unlikely

also the mb limit is so bad and so many people complain about it

if it was even just 2mb bigger id honestly be happy

even tho i still believe that 15 is good

and a lot of people would agree

i mean im sure there are plenty of pcs that have small hard drives, why isnt pc limit like 50 or sum

doesnt make sense

[magic slate]

a lot of people who only have anecdotal evidence, sure.

[cyan agate]

like i understand fallbacks needing those limits but why not just make the tris limit like 10k for excellent 15k for good, 20k for medium and 25 or 30k for poor

honestly my main avi only having a limit of 10k polys cuz i wanna keep it "good" rank sucks honestly

i just personally think that the mobile limits just suck. also no audio

but ig i can see that being ok

just slightly annoying

[amber onyx]

The Quest 2 is not going EOL yet they just won't be adding any new feature updates but it will still be getting security updates

Also they're using quest 3 as a buffer we likely won't get any limit increases until quest 4 comes out and quest 2 is dropped

[meager marten]

Has anyone come across any good Miyabi avatars that aren't complete low effort cringe?

[dim cove]

better ask in #1138520828556890214

[knotty junco]

is Poiyomi Toon Shader compatible with quest

???

[steady idol]

no

its not a vrchat mobile shader

[flint forge]

The only shaders you can use for Quest are included with the SDK and the closest to that shader you have access to on Quest is Toon standard.

[gilded seal]

How would I make a metallic shader for quest?

[steady idol]

just up the slider for it?

[gilded seal]

The what now?

[unborn nova]

The material has a slider for "metal looking"

[knotty junco]

i wanted to make an avatar but the rig does not work can i use an other avatar armature on this avatar

it gives me this error

but there is no shoulders bone

[steady idol]

you require them

[frosty glen]

Does anyone have a fix for the reason why unity is saying there's a script missing for gogoloco? it also happens when i add a prefab for the avatar, it also happens with the pc version and i'd love to know a fix!! (I already reached out to the creator's discord server, but haven't gotten a response yet)

i just recently redownloaded everything (like vcc and unity) after getting a new computer

[manic ore]

Did you add vrcfury to your project?

[knotty junco]

why is this happening

??

[compact stream]

anyone know how to bring down the physbone transform count? i wanna keep the back hair physics but idk how i could, the transform count with only the back hair is already 104

[full cedar]

re-rig it with less bones in the hair?

[weak basin]

You can use the 'ignore transform' option, and only have the top couple of bones per strand. This saves transforms and allows the hair to at least move a bit, even if it isn't as cool as full movement

You can start by adding the end of each strand to the ignore list, and then adding a y value to the endpoint. If there is still too many transforms, add the 2nd to last and repeat that until the transform count is low enough

[crisp portal]

Any idea whats going on here? for some reason parts of my avatar are black. This issue isnt present on the PC shaders. I already checked what was suggested by someone earlier in this channel, this isnt vertex colors, there arent any vertex colors applied in blender. I am using the Standard Lite shader

[dim cove]

have you double checked that there aren't any vertex colors?

[dim cove]

thats not where you check for vertex colors

[crisp portal]

ah yknow whats happening? its adding the vertex colors on export

I reimported the avatar into a new blender scene and this is what it looks like

hm, for some reason when I join all the objects together, its applying these vertex colors

ok so it was vertex colors, just some weird automated stuff going on

well, thanks for making quadruple checking, it was worth it

[static elk]

newer quest shader have option to ignore vertex colors and way more options

[green saddle]

How do I get Quest Hue shift and PC Hue shift to sync, given that they're very different values?
Poiyomi to toon standard

[magic slate]

use the same variable in the menu/parameters, but do different things in the animator depending on avatar.

[green saddle]

Yes but do what different specifically?
Lets say I have one animation that has hue shift set to 0
That's the same on PC and Quest
Then I have one that for PC sets it to 1
and Quest 6.28 or whatever the max is

How do I get those to match animator wise in the blend tree?

[magic slate]

again, don't - make them different things for each avatar, you don't care about the animators, you care about only the avatar parameters

you can have entirely different animators

[green saddle]

They're using the same parameter and same blendtree setup

[magic slate]

then use different blendtrees in different animators

[green saddle]

I get that but what do I do differently???

HOW

[magic slate]

you already said though - PC animations change whatever value that works there, quest ones do whatever is needed for quest

I can't give you specifics about what to do on quest since I haven't done exactly this on quest

[green saddle]

Quick clarification
The animations sync fine
It's the colors that are different
I want the color to be the same
They have the same base starting value and same texture
I don't get why VRChat made Toon Standard Hue Shift go to 6+ instead of just 0-1

[sonic canopy]

can toon standard have cubemapping?

[robust whale]

Duplicate your animator, call it like "FX Quest" or something. Make a new animation that sets hue shift on toon standard to the highest value. Replace the animation that sets it to 1 with this new animation in this new animation controller. Put this animation controller in the quest version of the avatar

I think maybe you weren't realizing that you can just use a completely different animator and even avatar across different platforms

[robust whale]

No, but depending on your use-case, a matcap may work similarly

[sonic canopy]

when i use a latex matcap with speculer, it looks so light grey in some places lol a cubemappimg would be cool

[simple scroll]

?Tag scam

[tough atlas]

Hey ho 👋 I see you're looking for commissions.

You will probably receive DM's or friend requests from scammers now (or later) that will try to offer you their services. 😖

🚫 Absolutely DO NOT engage with those, regardless of how competent they might seem or their excuse to why they contact you.
This is unsafe practice used by scammers, and also breaks this Discord's rules. 👮

If you seek a creator, check out VRCTraders and follow their protocols strictly 🥺
(You will get DM from bot to verify your account upon join.)

🌠 It's extremely important to always DEEPLY investigate the account and social media of the person you plan to commission.
Is their social media linked in Discord? Is it legitimate? Are the references stolen? (Try to reverse image search posts to check.) 👀
The quality of fake profiles out there can be crazy good, be aware of that and NEVER engage with DM or friend requests that originate from the artist.

When in the slightest doubt, do not commission them and contact the moderators of the involved communities. 😱

[dawn elm]

What no I just want to know how to find somebody that can make me a skin for VR chat

And I'm not sure what the process for that is

[simple scroll]

read message all

[edgy spindle]

So I purchase an avatar files, and I can't figure out how to get it uploaded to my account. Is there anyone who can do it for me?

[kindred fractal]

That’d probably break the TOS of 99% of avatar creators

There’s tutorials online for how to upload if you have a computer that can run unity and vcc

[edgy spindle]

Understood, thank you.

[kindred fractal]

Just file-sharing isn’t the best. But if you need any guidance #avatar-help is a good start

[lyric marsh]

Is there any other way to make avatars other than vroid or blender cause trying to fix the transparency is making me tweak out

[magic slate]

Sure, you can use any 3D modeling program that can output a .fbx file

[plush kettle]

Hello am Here to be friendly?

[gilded seal]

What does crunch compression on textures do?

[hearty pagoda]

reduce your downloas size, a rly cool function

[gilded seal]

Does it reduce the avatar uncompressed size too?

[hearty pagoda]

yess

i guess

[gilded seal]

So, if my uncompressed size on quest is 45 mb and the max is 40 mb, using crunch compress on all my textures should bring it down?

[hearty pagoda]

i have a download size 19mb with 16mb texture, 500k polygons, 1000 Material slots 25+ audios and mre

[hearty pagoda]

yess

[gilded seal]

500k polygons goddamn

[hearty pagoda]

hehe yep

i have a lot stuff

[gilded seal]

My highest was 1.86 million :-;

[hearty pagoda]

woah

[sage mesa]

no, just the dl size. Will increase the time it takes for your avi to load as well

[gilded seal]

Sketchfab models have a LOT more tris than usual

[gilded seal]

So, how do I reduce the uncompressed size?

[hearty pagoda]

use the cutting tool in unity, if u have long clothes, delete ur body

[sage mesa]

Reduce amount of textures / texture res

[gilded seal]

Ah, perfect, thanks

This should stop my effects from going invisible

[flint forge]

Crunch compression is a technique that reduces the quality of the image to compress it to a smaller size, it is like a zip file and when unpacked it grows into its original size, a similar, but less effective because it doesn't reduce the quality, thing happens to asset bundles in general, which is why they are always smaller than the actual size of everything, it is referred to as download size in VRChat.

Crunch compression does however have a flaw in it that makes it a terrible idea to have on avatars. When uncompressing a texture crunch compression takes full priority and rendering stops until it is done, a mild hitch when only one texture but the more textures it needs to do at once the longer that hitch will last, we are still talking milliseconds but if the texture isn't sitting in VRAM already then it will cause that hitch, so crunch compression only really makes sense on worlds where every texture is loaded in at the same time and stays in VRAM until you leave.

[steady idol]

The fact people use crunch on avatars disgusts me
I dont want my game to freeze just because you decided to switch avatars

[magic slate]

it's so annoying

[sage mesa]

Problem is 90% of avi uploaders won't have a clue about that nuance since they'd have to lurk the discord for weeks to know about it and just like the magic size reducer

I wish VRCWorld toolkit was merged into the SDK and had more info like this that popped up

Also just making the toolkit for avis as well

[magic slate]

yep.

[gilded seal]

Sometimes it's required

It's either that or the worst quality textures in history

[steady idol]

the fact you need textures that big is absurd

[flint forge]

I doubt it actually is, worst case you just need to be clever with a secondary UV map.

Playing with secondary UV maps is fun

[gilded seal]

I just use 1024, or 512 if necessary

I never use 2048 at all, unless I've accidentally forgot to change it

[steady idol]

those take up no space so how are you requiring crunch compression

[gilded seal]

Idk, my effects are going invisible on vrchat

When on quest

But on pc, they're fine

[steady idol]

wdym effects and what shader

cause that has nothing to do with textures

[gilded seal]

Idk

Everything is perfect on pc

And I'm using vrchat/mobile/particles/additive

[sudden osprey]

my avatars quest version looks fine in unity and ingame but everyone who uses quest says the textures are pink and i have no idea what to do

[steady idol]

You actually using it for particles?

[steady idol]

Dont material swap to a shader that quest cant use

[gilded seal]

Correct

[flat cliff]

One of our alters, Mr. Graves, has figured out how to get Transparency working on Quest somehow. (Left was updated using the method below, right is prior to the method.)

Rollbacked VRChat SDK to 3.7.2, imported a working transparency material from another avatar, and then went back to 3.10.1 to upload it and somehow fixed it. (3.7.2 is the last version that we remember transparency working on.)

Whatever update after 3.7.2 broke Transparency I think.

Hope this helps somebody!

[gilded seal]

I'm pretty sure they've banned any sdk that isn't the most recent ones

[flat cliff]

Never claimed to upload it with 3.7.2, we just switch it over to 3.7.2 and then switch it back to 3.10.1 since we use Toon Standard Shaders, which is not available in 3.7.2.

I cannot remember if the project was created before or after the new requirement, so take that with a grain of salt.

Even then, changing SDKs without uploading shouldn't be an issue.

[flat cliff]

anyways, evidence that this works.

[magic slate]

how were you doing transparency though?

[magic slate]

aha, that.

[flat cliff]

Again, not sure what changed between 3.7.2 and 3.8 (?), I just know it worked on that version and ever since I've created new projects on newer versions, transparency has not worked.

Somehow rolling back to 3.7.2 and uploading it on 3.10.1 fixed transparency?

[magic slate]

Any changes should be detailed in the change logs, see in #announcements

[flat cliff]

Makes me wonder if it's due to 3.7.5.'s update.

[slate mesa]

Is there currently a issue with avatar not syncing between quest and pc?

[low raptor]

anyone know how if i can just move in an updated FBX of a model into unity without all the rigamaroll of fixing the bones in the hand and asuch. all i did was made it so my hair had the ability to flow in the armiture

[weak basin]

So another fix for transparency on quest is to make a separate material, and not converting an existing material. The reason is that of you change an existing PC material to a particle shader it sometimes keeps some data from the PC mat telling it to override the particle shader. We don't know why and vrchat is working on a fix but if you right click in assets and create a fresh new material the transparency works fine

[weak basin]

What color are the effects? So for additive, it removes dark values. And for multiply, it removes light values. Also, the particle system can be applying a color to the material as well, so of you are using additive and the material is making the particle black for example, they would become invisible.

[weak basin]

They actually take up quite a bit of space on quest.. we only get 10mb compressed size so crunch compression is necessary.

[steady idol]

youd have to have several images

my entire avatar's textures take up only 223 kb

[weak basin]

Most avatars have multiple textures

[magic slate]

that's not really a good thing though, even if reality 🙂

[inland spindle]

hey yall im tryna update an avatar with the toon standard shader but whenever i try uploading to quest it says that the validation failed, why is that and how do i fix it?

[magic slate]

We'd have to see why - post error messages if you have them

can't tell you much otherwise.

[inland spindle]

yeah sorry thats my bad, waiting for upload target thing

was this the right thing

[magic slate]

is that the only error message?

If not, post the first 2-3, summaries are fine, but don't crop the window as much, so we can see the error counts in the upper right.

[magic slate]

huh not useful. Ok check the build stats window, probably something there is blocking you.

[inland spindle]

would that be the control pannel? sorry im still kinda new to this whole thing lol

[magic slate]

yes

it shows a list of stats and maybe problems about your avatar build. Red stop signs are bad 🙂

[inland spindle]

ooh i see, i must have set something to an unsuppported shader

tysm

[magic slate]

yep, that'll do it

[inland spindle]

i literally cant find what its telling me i click select and it just selects the entire avatar, and ive gone through every material and its all in the mobile shaders this thing just hates me lol

[magic slate]

make sure you look at materials that are swapped on via animation

[inland spindle]

-# where do i check that

wait

i might have foud something hold on

nvm

[magic slate]

it's hard to say where other than to look in the animation controller

[fast sand]

Who have a request in making vrchat avatar

[magic slate]

what?

[flat cliff]

Ah, we use Poiyomi Toon Shaders for Transparent PC Lenses, and usually when we cloned the material in the past, we never had problems with changing to VRChat/Mobile/Particles/Additive or VRChat/Mobile/Particles/Multiply and it would immediately work.

[weak basin]

In unity it will look fine, but sometimes in game it will not look proper/will just be glowing white.

Only sometimes, not always though

I've been always just making a fresh new mat though just in case

[flat cliff]

That's what it does to us, but thanks for the tip with the material side of things.

[compact stream]

anyone know how to reduce uncompressed memory? i already lowered the textured like in the second pic, only kept the face high, some are at 32 as well

theres only 1 outfit on the avatar btw

[stone garnet]

Ohhh
This is what I can do

You can DM me for more details buddy

[sage mesa]

least obvious scammer:

[flint forge]

There are other things that come into effect with uncompressed size, blendshapes and I believe animations.
But you could have simply missed a larger texture somewhere, have you checked with https://github.com/Thryrallo/VRC-Avatar-Performance-Tools or the VRCWorldToolkit.

[low raptor]

so uh. . . anyone able to help m figureout where i went wrong

[magic slate]

different blender export settings than was previously used - probably didn't set "apply scalings" to "FBX All"

or... you changed the rig a bunch and should redo the whole humanoid setup

Usually though it helps when you explain what action you just took to cause the issue in your pictures.

[low raptor]

yea it was the FBX all issue

[magic slate]

yep

[mental whale]

Hey does anyone remember what this avatar was called?

Its one of the very first physbone avatars and one of my friends is looking for it

[magic slate]

#1138520828556890214

[mental whale]

Whoops thank you, couldn't see the channel at first

[stone garnet]

Good
I can help you with it if you don't mind buddy

[magic slate]

still trying?

[mental whale]

Yup still looking. I have a friend helping me dig 💀

[magic slate]

no, I meant Frank

[stone garnet]

What??

[plush socket]

Anyone know the name of this avatar?

[magic slate]

#1138520828556890214

[knotty junco]

i found an avatar and wanted to take some assets to put on my private avatar but most of the file are like faded and i can only see them in play mode

[gilded seal]

Click on the parts

Then look at the inspector

There should be a small box in the corner next to the name

Click on it

[steady idol]

dont have your view point so far forward

in the avatar descriptor?

its different for each avatar's height

there isnt a "put it to this number down to the thousandth decimal"

it needs to be about the distant forward compared to your irl tracking which is the headset

the headset tracking isnt the center of the head bone

the view point needs to be roughly where it would be

too far forward when you look down the feet go up

too far back the opposite

idk its your avatar

again there isnt a "put this exact number down to the thousandth decimal"

f o r w a r d

not up

I literally just explained it

[steady idol]

^

not really cause that relies on your tracking

you can do build & tests

but that still requires to be in vr

[steady idol]

builds a local avatar that only that pc can see?

[magic slate]

and if you're doing a quest avatar, build & test tries to put it onto an attached android device or emulator

[south sand]

hello, i have an issue with the legs of my avatar locking up on quest, i've narrowed it down, its because of the digitigrade leg system and quest not supporting constraints so at the moment of removing them it breaks them, thus locking the legs

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1012071863532408974/1460035731241177202/image.png?ex=696573bc&is=6964223c&hm=28aeb6b9bcaddce3f2f631092d519ff8f721c79c7e820592018eba4d644a09ff&

problem is, i dont know how to fix it

does anyone here have any suggestions/solutions?

[magic slate]

click those autofix buttons

[south sand]

i did

thats what breaks the legs

thats the step at which the legs break

i've never had this issue before and im at a loss at this point

[magic slate]

well you can't use unity constraints on quest, so you'll have to convert those, no way around it.

[south sand]

no i know that

i am able to upload it to quest

but the legs cant move without those constraints

[magic slate]

Yes. That's why you turn them into VRC constraints, which can be used on quest.

[south sand]

... 😭

changing or removing the constraints is what breaks it

you get it yet? im looking for an alternative

not a straight narrow path towards the easiest solution, because that is out of the question apparently

since its what breaks it

im not sure how else to put it

[magic slate]

If your avatar requires constraints, you either use VRC constraints or no constraints.
Do you know why they are there?

[south sand]

because of the digitigrade leg system

[magic slate]

ok then you need VRC constraints to make that work.

[south sand]

sob

i appreciate you trying man but it's prob best i figure it out myself or wait for someone else with an alternative

[magic slate]

the alternative is to not use a digitgrade leg system

really - there's no other way to do this on quest

[south sand]

hmm

i mean

thats what im trying to say by i removed it

i might be missing a step when removing it?

[magic slate]

ok well if you removed it then you'll probably need to bring the avatar into blender and rework the legs and so they're not digitgrade

I've done a few digitgrade setups - constraints are how you do this

Without the constraints, you'll have no leg movement because the mesh is weighted to the digitgrade armature, and your body controls the plantigrade armature. Constraints are what makes the plantigrade armature move the digitgrade armature.

[south sand]

so my other option is messing with it in blender?

[magic slate]

if you want to not have constraints, then yeah, you'll have to rework it entirely to NOT be digitgrade

[south sand]

shi

well, that sucks but i gotcha

[magic slate]

it's totally doable with VRC constraints though

[south sand]

well

i'll do it manually instead of clicking auto fix

cause it seems auto fix breaks something

[magic slate]

yeah that's entirely possible

[south sand]

is it only this one?

imma switch to android and double check

[magic slate]

yep, each of the constraint types has a VRC equivalent

[south sand]

:(

ok seems i got it

made sure all of the constraints are vrc

imma upload it again and hope for the best

it seems to be working now

ok yeah so it was the auto fix button straight up breaking constraints instead of just changing them 😭

adding that one to the list of "things i shouldnt fully trust in unity"

[magic slate]

that's VRChat's SDK doing that, not Unity

[south sand]

heard

idk if it should be reported as a bug or something?

[magic slate]

though which of those autofix buttons did you use? The first one I wouldn't trust at ALL, but the second one I'd think should work

[south sand]

yeah, i tried both yesterday

kinda gave up today and came here and you know the rest of the story

[flint forge]

The Spiri'vali has quest versions setup to not require any constraints, uncertain but pretty sure they should be in the default Spiri'vali scene somewhere. I can recommend reading the very well put together manual :)

And while I am confused why the conversion isn't working since I am pretty sure I have done the exact same thing myself, replicating the constraint setup with VRC_Constraints would just be tedious, but not difficult.

[magic slate]

I think I glanced at that one and was unimpressed at how it worked, but I might be thinking of a different thing

[flint forge]

The digi legs on the Spiri?
They definitely aren't the most digi of legs, but imo very digi legs are just really weird with FBT.

[magic slate]

Yeah most of them are really half-assed.

[broken ibex]

can someone tell me why the security check on my avatar keeps failing for quest all of a sudden it always used to just not let me upload bc of the mb size but that doesnt even show up anymore

[vast halo]

I'm tryna do sum.. I'm trying to use particle lights to make a flashlight.. is this at all possible on quest???

(I have done ZERO research prior to asking, I dunno where to look)

[flint forge]

That was possible, but has since been patched. It was never an intended "feature", just an exploit. Has been listed as not supported component on this page for years https://creators.vrchat.com/avatars/avatar-performance-ranking-system/#mobile-removed-components

[vast halo]

Dang

Will quest ever get lights??

[magic slate]

ooh I didn't know that got removed too, nice.

[magic slate]

Likely not, they're really performance heavy

[vast halo]

Dang- I was finna make a small light toggle

oh well, maybe in the future

[magic slate]

maybe when the Q2 is gone and we have more capable hardware

[vast halo]

Hopefully

With the steam frame releasing, I think quest will be outdated fairly quickly

[magic slate]

I doubt it, still a LOT of them out there and they run decently well

[vast halo]

Touche

Oh well, if/when they add light compatibility, I'll still be here

hmmmm I could.. prolly make a no-light flashlight

Using mesh and the additive shader..

It gives the ILLUSION of a flashlight with no actual lights

[magic slate]

that'll work

[vast halo]

Yep yep. I like being smart (12% of the time)

[jagged sequoia]

the steam frame has functionally the same processing power as a quest as far as Standalone usage

[vast halo]

Difference is it'll be able to run PCVR on standalone. Which is infinitely better imo

[jagged sequoia]

it's probably not going to be running the PC version of vrchat Standalone given it's still a cell phone processor

[broken ibex]

can someone tell me why my avatar keeps failing security check but is 8.72 mb for pc (ive been seeing this with alot of avatars recently)

[magic slate]

post the build stats SDK window, maybe we could take a guess

but nobody here will know the real reason, that's not exposed to us

[broken ibex]

how do that

[vast halo]

Switch to the current sdk

[broken ibex]

im using the current one tho

[magic slate]

the place where you click "build and publish" - right above that are the performance stats and such. Show us the red ones.

[broken ibex]

oh alr

[broken ibex]

*all of this is less than it used to be

[magic slate]

ye gods, I can see why that gets flagged

[broken ibex]

its less than it used to be and the older one was abe to make it through

[magic slate]

they've updated checks recently so "it made it before" doesn't mean it will now

[arctic slate]

jeez those stats are yucky

specially the bones

[magic slate]

4000 bones really suggests you're doing something really, really ridiculous there.

[broken ibex]

all under 10 mb btw

[magic slate]

so?

[broken ibex]

ive never had a problem with this before

never lagged anyone

[magic slate]

I already covered that.

[broken ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/monkey-thinking-monkey-thinking-think-money-gif-9734025314392564509

my question is why would it still let me upload it

why wont it stop me

[arctic slate]

the SDK will let you upload if there isnt anything that's an actual error/disallowed in the SDKs stuff iirc but that doesnt mean it'll pass the security check

so sucessful upload =/= works in-game every time

highly suggest optimizing because it could be a case of your stats being so far outside the limits that security is flagging it especially if the previous upload was on a older SDK version

[broken ibex]

Its on the latest😔

im optimizing rn

probably the bones tbh 😭

[magic slate]

168 mesh renderers is also insane

[broken ibex]

yeahhh

i have so many unused bones i could js get rid of them

[magic slate]

yep

[broken ibex]

i cant do the meshes tho

sadly

[arctic slate]

why not?

[broken ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/light-yagami-death-light-yagami-death-note-dead-light-yagami-eyes-gif-17546680

[cobalt meadow]

when armature linking the tail flips sideways in play mode, any idea on how to fix this?

[turbid bobcat]

Yo any real one ons out there with a like a country eboy type-ish vibe avatar I ain't got no money but I'll dab you up

[magic slate]

#1138520828556890214

[low raptor]

uhh for some reason this appeared. ive already posted my own avi a few times and been updating it regularly been playing vrchat for 5+ years and been teaching myself unity for close to a month and this is the first ive had this pop up any ideas?

oh ok now its fine. spegetti code be chaotic i guess

[gusty falcon]

For some reason my gf friend is having an issue, everytime he puts this prefab on my avi, the physbone shows up on the PC side just fine but for quest, nothing shows up and they get deleted, the prefab worked on all the other avi he's done for her but I dont why it ain't working now, could anyway figure out an issue

[unique ferry]

I'd assume the avatars existing physbones + physbones on the prefab pushes it past the limitations and they get deleted on quest. There should be a warning in the upload tab with details if that's the case

[celest plaza]

Could someone help me with this problem?

[steady idol]

its not an error just a warning

[celest plaza]

oh, well how do I fix it?

[steady idol]

it doesnt really need to be fixed
just add animations to the empty states

[celest plaza]

where is the states?

[steady idol]

in the animator

[celest plaza]

is it the one that says "Any State"?

[steady idol]

idk its your model

[celest plaza]

fair

[compact stream]

sorry i didnt respond, thats helpfull!! yea all the texture are low, but maybe its blendshaped or something i really dont know, i was using "build size viewer" but im deff gonna check out what you sent

[steady idol]

dont spread false information or fearmonger

[burnt mural]

-# Translated https://blackwolfwoof.com/s/Nods7cgsbY6YQ9x/preview

also screenshotting lol

i wonder if the translation is right

[steady idol]

this isnt tony stark tech
you cant just rip a model from a screenshot

[flint forge]

Just sounds like photogrammetry.

[weak basin]

i bet you could make a really shitty recreation though, like those 3d scan avis. probably just fear mongering though it wouldn't be a real rip

[sage mesa]

I tried something similar with the black cat, it's totally possible but the end result will look like some 4th generation inbred version of the original and take as much effort as just making an avi to begin with. In addition to that, rippers are, by nature, very lazy so I don't see this as a legitimate reason for concern

[steady idol]

I made an avatar that can do that live lol but its just a shitty 3d scan in doom style

Judging by how thats worded the person will probably scream that it is ripping

[limpid scaffold]

Avatar ripping is not work like that simple horgwat magic

[limpid scaffold]

Here's a quick look at how avatar ripper are actually working.
Download VRCA from Local Temp Folder from there PC or Linux
And re-upload decryption blueprint and decryption avatar ID (blueprint)

After EAC is enabled, most Steler Mode clients have been baned,
but still there is Lot way to rip-off your avatar like injection client memory dump

but, VRCA is not a complete file that only displays compiled optimized texture files (So is not actually 100~500MB Textuer file is only about 20~60MB VRCA file)
So it is not actually can be edit or do any change of your avatar

Avatar, World ripping are dose not stoppable
unless VRC Dev says, 'we'r gonna block use personal avatars from now on' this won't stop

As avatar creator, As VRC User The only thing you can do is DO NOT Use avatars that you think are very important. in public
And avatar encryption assets into your avatar on Unity. (have a look on Booth)

DO Not Ask how to do, I will block instantly

[amber onyx]

To my knowledge the avatar and world files are encrypted now so you can't rip from game files anymore but you can still rip them from the z buffer Good news is you can't get the armature blend shapes or sounds

[robust whale]

Your computer has to decrypt them render them, so unless you move vrchat to run on remote servers and stream the game to your computer or headset, then ripping will always be a possibility.

I mean it is more difficult to do, and some information is lost, which can make reconstructing it into a usable avatar quite annoying, and deters lazy people, but there will always be dedicated ones that make tools to help the lazy people out

People will really do anything but pay artists for their work lol

[shrewd path]

Does anyone know what I can use to make png faces for my avatar? I keep seeing this

[limpid scaffold]

most of time u can just skip and upload but if that error block while upload then bring error code

[magic slate]

you can't skip that one.

[vapid aurora]

Holy crap I'm having the same issue

Why is it saying that if it's under Mobile?

[magic slate]

the error message is annoying, you can't use that on avatars

[vapid aurora]

Is it possible at all to make transparent textures quest compatible?

[magic slate]

you can kinda sorta do it with the multiply blending shader but you can't use alpha blending

[vapid aurora]

It looks darker when I do that, hm

[magic slate]

yep

[vapid aurora]

Seriously?? There's no good way to do transparency??

[magic slate]

nope! It's really expensive for the lame little GPU in there to do, so it's not supported.

[weak basin]

Use both additive and multiply together. If the mesh has only one material slot, just click the + button to add another. If it has multiple, dupe the mesh.

#avatar-quest message

[weak basin]

Use additive or multiply (or both if needed). They are in the VRChat > Mobile > Particles folder (yes I know alpha blend is also in there but for some reason they leave it in there on the avatar SDK even though it isn't allowed on quest)

[final terrace]

can anyone explain this to me?

[steady idol]

Bold to show that you are using nsfw content

[final terrace]

Don't ask...

it showed up when i was uploading a sfw one

[steady idol]

Thats definitely nsfw

[final terrace]

no @steady idol thye gave me one sfw and nsfw

[weak basin]

You accidentally uploaded the nsfw instead of sfw for quest maybe? This box means that there are vrcfury installed toggles and such on the quest version that are missing on the PC. Since all the parameters sound nsfw this is my best guess.

[native sonnet]

Dose anyone know how to fix this for quest?

[magic slate]

fix what about it?

[vapid aurora]

Wouldn't that use up all the materials for quest?

[mild plover]

yooo anybody in here thats cracked at uploading and optimizing avatars?

[magic slate]

Or you could just ask your actual question, as I said in the other channel 🙂