open-beta-discussion

[timber jewel]

do you use PumbkinTools?

[wintry notch]

yeah

[subtle wharf]

man i still really want a viewpoint rotation parameter so we can look around and have custom animations for generic avatars

[timber jewel]

Pumbkin doesn't work anymore

what should I do?

[warm cedar]

I'd recommend to re-install or verify the integrity of the game files

[timber jewel]

I did that

[wintry notch]

Do I delete it?

[timber jewel]

just delete the PumbkinTools folder yeah

[wintry notch]

That fixed it

[stable mantle]

Reinstall the Visual C++ Runtime. This is something verifying won't fix.

That's my idea, anyways.

[sullen elk]

why are we all calling it pumbkin??

[raven laurel]

check if restarting your pc will fix it first

[timber jewel]

it only does that in vr, desktop is fine

[timber jewel]

nope, it didn't

[raven laurel]

https://aka.ms/vs/17/release/vc_redist.x64.exe check if you can reinstall it

[fallen oxide]

did dynamic bone have inside colliders? I rarely used DB

[raven laurel]

yes they did

[timber jewel]

still does that

[raven laurel]

it installed or told you it's already installed tho?

[timber jewel]

it tolled me it was installed and I pressed Repair

nope nothing works

at least in VR

[warm cedar]

Discord just freaking died lol

[timber jewel]

yup ik

does VR not work for anyone else?

[raven laurel]

someone have same problem in #user-support-old hmmm

[timber jewel]

OOOOO maybe it is steamVR

[raven laurel]

yeah could be

[timber jewel]

testing it right now

it is

the new SteamVR beta that came out at the same time broke it

I suggest everyone to stay away from SteamVR 1.22.2 for now😅

[limber quartz]

v1.22.2*

[timber jewel]

whoops

[keen nova]

Is steam vr beta broke? Lol

[timber jewel]

yeah

atleast for VRC

[keen nova]

Good to know, I'll have to uninstall it and go back to live.
i say knowing I spend 90% of my time on vrc in desktop lol

[timber jewel]

lol

[dapper scarab]

Seems to only be triggered by Index controllers

[timber jewel]

yeah ik

[lime yarrow]

Hell yeah inside colliders

lets gooo

[mossy python]

I only vaguely experimented with them before, what exactly do inside colliders do

[warm cedar]

Canny idea

local contacts shouldn't count towards performance

[slender ocean]

anyone figured out a fix for the hand colliders being way too long in game?

er sorry, finger colliders that is

[gritty salmon]

you can adjust them in the avatar descriptor

[slender ocean]

the options in the descriptor don't seem to actually effect how they are in game

I think radius works, but length seems to be ignored

I made a canny but it hasn't gained much traction so wondering if I'm just doing something wrong or everyone already knows a workaround

[twin musk]

What's the best way to quickly test the leg movements for my skirt physics? Right now I'm just rotating the bones with the mouse and that feels really jank so there's probably a much more rational way to do this

[warm cedar]

Grab the object of the avatar

select the rotation tool

Oops, well I was making an elongated spin joke

Just, use the rotation tool and or transformation tool, it does wonders to test these components

[twin musk]

In that case maybe it's my physics that's the jank thing ><

[warm cedar]

Had to make a phone, couldn't help myself

[warm cedar]

Could well be

[onyx pivot]

Anyone know how to get back to live realease

[hard pond]

on quest?
flip back to live on app, then reinstall.

[stone rapids]

I am curious, any recent talks or news of when the beta update will be publicly released out of beta?

[molten cobalt]

nope and there's unlikely to ever be a announcement before it releases

[wheat fjord]

Thanks for VRChat for your totally professional and not at all amateur quality assurance. I'm so glad to send $10 every month to you for your awesome totally not at all buggy work. Keep it up. If it's not broke, you'll fix it until it is!

[sick creek]

what

this isn't VRChat's fault, its 100% on Valve

also SteamVR is Beta is a Beta aka subject to stuff breaking

[wheat fjord]

Yep totally, I totally agree and am def not being sarcastic. Passing the responsibility on to the totally guilty party.

Cause we all know that index controllers do not work at all in any game

And you can't get them to work

Yep, it's just all busted

[shrewd estuary]

me when i walk into a room and forget why i went in there

[astral sinew]

adhd moment

[sick creek]

chill a bit, sarcasm doesn't always translate well through text

back in my day people used /s and damn it, it worked!

[astral sinew]

what do you mean sarcasm translates perfectly through text /s

[wheat fjord]

But I'm totally not at all being sarcastic I'm agreeing with you

I totally am not completely pissed off by this new not at all

[astral sinew]

i take back what i said

[sick creek]

I'm just confused now

oh well back to being productive

[astral sinew]

yeah so am i, that's why i took back what i said

yeah, did they fix the float capsules issue?

actually wait lemme be specific, i had an issue where i couldn't use the proximity contact receiver if it was a capsule

it would bug out, no register any float value when contacted and weirdly made all debug contact visuals disappear while it's in contact haha

i just fixed it by using a sphere instead but a capsule still might be more useful in other cases, was wondering if that was still a problem

[sick creek]

and its fixed

[astral sinew]

they're quick with that

[shrewd estuary]

woo

[sick creek]

time for a "welp Valve just fixed it already" ping from Tupper

https://steamcommunity.com/games/250820/announcements/detail/3200377990387557292

[hard pond]

unbeliebablly quick

[shrewd estuary]

speedrun

[umbral apex]

Inside colliders pog

[twin musk]

Now that we have Inside Colliders, does anyone have a link to a tutorial on how to make this kind of physics?

[keen nova]

Bug got fixed before I got home from work lol

[wintry notch]

how do you grab bones in the editor

[twin fossil]

need to be in play mode

[lunar helm]

How do you return to the main branch on quest?

[eager otter]

Has anyone experienced issues with collision senders? I have a working send receive in unity for the index finger but attempting it with my avi in game it fails. All collider groups are properly rigged

[tough abyss]

yikes

[eager otter]

lmao

[sick creek]

[eager otter]

thats a good one ngl

[sick creek]

oh no this is funny af

[inner kayak]

huh

[mystic venture]

If someone could help me get back into live I would appreciate it

I tried this already multiple times

Still it says I’m on live in the app but I’m stuck in beta

[gusty gale]

?

[mystic venture]

[wheat fjord]

had the same issue with one of the demo avatars. Think it's a bug can't report it properly since I have not created any content using them yet

[wheat fjord]

I don't understand why this is happening to some Quest users. I have 7 friends on Quest I've instructed step by step on how to get in and out and all 7 were successful at both. They got back on their own. I just told them to reverse the process to get back in.

[mystic venture]

Reverse?

[wheat fjord]

Yeah I told them how to opt in. Just said to go back to the same page on their phone hit the version number again, select live and uninstall and reinstall.

All were able to get back on live.

Since I'm not present to see what's happening, I can't really help in a full capacity.

It's possible people do not have their quests paired to the phone app or something

Or their quest isn't connecting to their phone when going back to live

[timber jewel]

Hm I thought that it might have something to do with Auto Conversion, but since that isn't even a thing on Quest, this shouldn't happen

[gloomy dagger]

Yay, no longer will I see sleepy ones T-pose when someone new joins~

[timber jewel]

I would really appreciate if we could get an "IsPosed" parameter:
https://feedback.vrchat.com/open-beta/p/1185-isposed-parameter-for-phys-bones

[dim cloak]

Gave you an upvote because I do think it'd be useful to have, but I think you could substitute "Stretched" in for the time being and I imagine it'd work just as well for you.

[timber jewel]

Yeah it probably would, but with Stretch I don't really get a a pull over the had

Since it would first go up to get over the had and then back down to its end position

Using the Angle works better in that situation

But IsPosed would be really useful in general

It probably also wouldn't be hard to implement

[warm cedar]

Uurrhh...

softwaregore moment?

So I'm getting a cloth warning for using contacts.

Yes, this... this makes sense

[timber jewel]

wtf

Random question, but what do inside colliders actually do / how do they work? Ik people missed them a lot with Phys Bones but I don't really know how they work, what they do and what they are used for.

I also didn't really find any documentation for them online with a quick google search

ahhh now I get it xD

[near grove]

How has the performance enhancements been due to physbones?

[grim glacier]

how is the max angle on the bones supposed to work? cus my bones are still rotating past that angle

that's the tail

yet they're supposed to have a max angle of this

i think it's going under instead of just clipping through..

is there a way to offset the max angle? so e.g. it can't move left much but it can move right more

[timber jewel]

Max Angle applies to every bone in the chain which is also why it can do that

You can use a line graph though to define it on a per bone basis

[grim glacier]

oh nice

[grim glacier]

is this possible btw?

[timber jewel]

not at the moment no

There is canny post about that though:
https://feedback.vrchat.com/open-beta/p/1181separate-axis-of-max-angle

[timber jewel]

For some reason I don't see when Quest players are moving a few of my bones. My Ears and my hoodie cap work (both are on my head) but my Tail etc doesn't.

[grim glacier]

hey what happens when you upload an avatar with the beta sdk? / update an avatar with the beta sdk, does it break the avi on non beta branches?

or does it only show the beta update on the beta branch, which i think is what they did for the unity 2019 update

[small surge]

Can still be worn in live, just it will be stiff if using physbones 🔨

[grim glacier]

is there any documentation on the performance rank details for physbones?

do they differ to dynamic bones?

[small surge]

pc got a bump, quest just got 'em since they had nothing | https://docs.vrchat.com/v2022.1.2/docs/avatar-performance-ranking-system#pc-limits

Did this cause thats mostly what i care about, easier to see

1 component / root = 1 cpu core, so multiple is good

[bright jungle]

lmao

[pliant hornet]

I feel that

[warm cedar]

Everyone does with the way the system is set up xD

[shrewd estuary]

this is what the rank looks like for my 12 million poly cube

(don't worry im not uploading that monstrosity)

[keen nova]

"Let me just add these assets and prefabs I found."

[warm cedar]

I had to fix an entire phone, it had 34 MATERIAL SLOTS.

Just joined the entire thing in blender and now it's just 1 mat.

[shrewd estuary]

you got any more of them material slots

[warm cedar]

Nah but you can ask the e-avatar creators

[muted brook]

I could see a working phone needing 34 mats. But a static one???

[warm cedar]

It was a working one, but it didn't need to be animated

[keen nova]

This is me yelling at a friend of mine every time he uploads anything. Lol

[warm cedar]

Don't tell me they create e-avatars

[keen nova]

No, but they only know how to retexture and kitbash prefabs onto an avatar

[shrewd estuary]

shoutouts to those avatars with the x and o glasses

they're all made by the same guy

[warm cedar]

:[

[shrewd estuary]

yea u know what im talking about

[warm cedar]

Every time I even think about showing them my mind even lags

[shrewd estuary]

they're probably less performant than my 12 million poly cube

[warm cedar]

yeah

cause your cube most likely only has tons of polys

[shrewd estuary]

my cubes just got a shit ton of polygons nothing else

zuvali made a really high poly quad and it was just 2 gb worth of polygons

[dusty canopy]

Um just a question are there any new ways to get out of the beta with the new update I have tried the set to live and delete and reinstall thing I have tried downloading the past apk for the live version I have tried factory reseting non of it works

[bright jungle]

Yes, switch to Live, uninstall the game, and reinstall - if that doesn't work, wait a couple hours before reinstalling

[old rock]

Purge %appdata%..\locallow\vrchat too

Just to be sure

[hearty ore]

Can some one explain endpoints to me?

[pliant hornet]

its where it ends

[hearty ore]

Ok.

What if.

It doesn't work?

[pliant hornet]

a end point is used to define where it ends the phys-bone

you just need to move the end point game object if end ponit no work

[hearty ore]

Ok

[warm cedar]

Wulf. mind the sarcasm you ligth-saber wielding animal

We still need to do that bonk battle.

[stable mantle]

It happens because the Quest seems to sometimes rely on cached data and not update properly, so you'll opt-out or opt-in but the Quest won't immediately acknowledge it. I've posted some more thorough step by steps on how to ensure you exit but until those same steps come from VRChat team themselves, people are still gonna make common mistakes (due to an oversight by Meta).

[wheat fjord]

I thought the team made this clear.

It's just never been a problem for me or other users I have supported

[stable mantle]

Not really no. "Uninstall & Reinstall" to most is an immediate thing. No one is waiting for their Quest to refresh nor checking the listing in the store on Quest to ensure the version numbers match; 2 very important steps that can make a difference between success and failure.

[stable mantle]

You need to contact Meta support, not VRChat because your issue is outside the scope of the bug.

If you developer unlocked your quest, and tried sideloading the APK for 117[X], without VRChat being previously installed, and the install returns a failure? Then your Quest account seems borked.

[wheat fjord]

So I take people aren't following instructions?

[stable mantle]

More like VRChat team have left a few steps out.

Their steps will work for the majority of people.

[dusty canopy]

Been there done that

[wheat fjord]

Did they?

[stable mantle]

#open-beta-discussion message

[wheat fjord]

Is this not correct, it's worked for everyone I've help my old quest included

[stable mantle]

I literally mention what they fail to include between steps "Uninstall" & "Reinstall".

Like I said, their steps will work for the majority of unbugged users.

[dusty canopy]

Yea my headsets so bugged it wouldn't let me install the live apk

[stable mantle]

That's not the same.

[wheat fjord]

I mean I guess I just don't understand what's tripping people up

[stable mantle]

That's the website or app.

[wheat fjord]

Ok?

[stable mantle]

Not on the Quest.

Users with the synchronization bug need to wait until the store listing inside the Quest matches their store listing on the Web or App.

[dusty canopy]

Good for you but you can't figure out a bug

[crisp copper]

ofc you can

[dusty canopy]

Not when the bug prevents you from doing anyform of install of the live version thru apk or download

[dusty canopy]

Hey how would I go about contacting them

[wheat fjord]

Sounds like this an issue on Oculus/Meta side.

This is why I jump ship as quickly as I could from them

[stable mantle]

1. Because most modern technology doesn't require you to literally dog the store listing to check if it's giving you the correct version number after switching that version on a separate platform. — Meta's update channel workflow is atrocious.

2. Many Quest users are joining the beta to try physbones for a laugh, then quit out to play with friends. — Be realistic, the Quest channels are inundated with people asking "how do I make an avatar, I downloaded the SDK but clicking it does nothing" and "How do I show PC avatars" and "Why can't I go to my friend's world?"

[crisp copper]

it is. as the devs have stated

[small surge]

*always has been

[wheat fjord]

No I get that. and you're right meta has so many issues

[stable mantle]

It is, my point was there's additional steps that can help ensure the right channel installs. — They're not normally necessary, but if you have a bugged account these steps can make the difference between a successful switch and being stuck on a channel.

[dusty canopy]

Can someone answer this

[stable mantle]

https://support.oculus.com/articles/contact-us/contact-us/index-contact-us

[dusty canopy]

Tysm

[stable mantle]

YMMV because I get

Sorry, this content isn't available right now
On all Oculus sites lmao

On it

[dusty canopy]

Now I wait for meta to respond which we all know I will be six feat under before then

[stable mantle]

https://feedback.vrchat.com/open-beta/p/quest-provide-advanced-channel-switching-instructions

[dusty canopy]

If only it was that easy

[stable mantle]

You're experiencing a sever variant of the bug, and some other bug preventing a developer-unlocked Quest from sideloading.

Double check though that you have developer mode enabled via the mobile app, and try sideloading the apk using adb from command prompt or terminal with your quest connected via USB: adb install -r -d "[path to APK]"

Examples:
Mac: adb install -r -d "/users/zitic/downloads/2022-03-13T03-16-29.842Z_1036.apk"
Windows: adb install -r -d "C:\Users\zitic\Downloads\2022-03-13T03-16-29.842Z_1036.apk"

—
Being said: https://feedback.vrchat.com/open-beta/p/quest-host-beta-as-a-separate-listing

If VRChat did this, the bug woudn't even be an issue.

[dusty canopy]

Been there done that

[noble bramble]

• Fixed issue of some VRCPhysBoneCollider's not updating values while in play mode

looks like its more broken than before

[small surge]

switching camera in playmode now make touching them break for me

[warm cedar]

OSC mixed with avatar dynamics is so powerful oml

[molten cobalt]

like folks have already got to have haptic vest working with it

[onyx pivot]

Does anyone know how to get out of the open beta back to live

I’m stuck trying to reinstall it (quest) and it will not reinstall after I changed it back

It will only reinstall when I have open beta selected

[lucid jacinth]

Tbh open beta has gotten better for quest sense day 1 of open beta launch it used to break the avatars not just the phys bones but also the other ones as well just switching your avatar and the game would break so honestly it’s getting better still some small bugs but it’s definitely better then the avatars being broken all the time

[lucid jacinth]

Delete the game reinstall also if that doesn’t work switch it back to ik beta and delete and reinstall again

[shrewd estuary]

i don't believe the ik beta is on quest

uninstall game, switch to live branch, wait a bit, and reinstall.

[lucid jacinth]

The ik beta is is on quest ik is the live beta

[shrewd estuary]

no the open beta that's on quest is the dynamics one

[lucid jacinth]

Do you mean no dynamic’s?

[shrewd estuary]

"live" is the live channel of the game
"openbeta" is the avatar dynamics beta.

[lucid jacinth]

Because the open beta is the phy bone beta

[shrewd estuary]

physics bones are part of avatar dynamics

[lucid jacinth]

Yea I know that every one that is here in this chat knows that

The server is literally called avatar open dynamics

[shrewd estuary]

yes

you just said

"do you mean no dynamics?"
"because the open beta is the phy bone beta"

wording counts

[lucid jacinth]

Sorry but you said

“no the open beta that's on quest is the dynamics one”

[onyx pivot]

Which is true

It’s also the interaction one

[shrewd estuary]

as I said, physics bones are part of dynamics.

[lucid jacinth]

You didn’t put the correct grammar and I got confused

As In you didn’t really didn’t say which one

[shrewd estuary]

dynamics is physics bones and avatar to avatar interaction, while physics bones are just.. physics bones.

[lucid jacinth]

No no that’s incorrect

You got it mix up

It’s the other way round

[shrewd estuary]

i don't?

physics bones are a component in avatar dynamics.

dynamics aren't a component of physics bones.

[lucid jacinth]

Dynamic bones can’t be messed with other players like grabbed

[shrewd estuary]

and?

[lucid jacinth]

They can be smacked around

[shrewd estuary]

physics bones can, that's part of avatar dynamics.

that's avatar to avatar interaction.

[lucid jacinth]

Phys bones can however be grabbed and messed with making them player interaction

[lucid jacinth]

To a degree

[shrewd estuary]

which is a part of avatar dynamics

if physics bones can be grabbed that's avatar to avatar interaction, as one avatar is interacting with another's physics bones. that's part of why it's called "avatar dynamics".

[small surge]

Love seeing auto converted avatars with a collider bigger then the room, enable debug mode and all i see is that

[lucid jacinth]

The normal Dynamic bone don’t have that

[shrewd estuary]

dynamic bones are older, and aren't part of avatar dynamics

on top of that, dynamic bones are an entirely separate thing. they're just able to be used in vrchat.

[molten cobalt]

and dynamic bones are also getting deprecated

[shrewd estuary]

their replacement is the physics bones.

[lucid jacinth]

ok but you literally have been saying that they are apart of the avatar dynamics

[shrewd estuary]

i was saying physics bones are part of dynamics, not dynamic bones.

[lucid jacinth]

Yeah I know that

No this entire time you haven’t actually said until now that it physic bones

[shrewd estuary]

they're two separate things

[shrewd estuary]

read

[hexed tide]

avatar dynamics =/= Dynamic bones

[lucid jacinth]

i am aware of that

[shrewd estuary]

read

[lucid jacinth]

I have been reading

[shrewd estuary]

ive been saying that this whole conversation yet you say i haven't.

[lucid jacinth]

Because You haven’t

[shrewd estuary]

I have????

i said "physics bones", not "dynamic bones" in both of those messages

[molten cobalt]

maybe we should move on to a new subject

[shrewd estuary]

good christ

[lucid jacinth]

I have already said your not specifying what your talking about

[shrewd estuary]

i am specifically talking about physics bones and how they're part of avatar dynamics

[lucid jacinth]

At the beginning you didn’t

Like at all

[shrewd estuary]

this was my second message in the entire conversation.

bro

[lucid jacinth]

In your words “dynamic is physic bones and avatar to avatar interaction” meaning some one with reading disabilities could easily get the wrong idea which I did until you said that your talking about Phys bones on their own

[shrewd estuary]

let me make this message for reference, then.

dynamic bones - old and deprecated, not used in Avatar dynamics. dynamic bones are also an entirely separate thing that were just able to be used for vrchat.

avatar dynamics - avatar interaction and physics bones.

instead, avatar dynamics uses physics bones, which are exclusively made for vrchat. not dynamic bones. names are weird.

hope this helps

glad we came to a conclusion.

[lucid jacinth]

I mean it would help if you said Phys bones dynamics seem like your talking about the other bones

[shrewd estuary]

yeah that's why i hate naming

[shrewd estuary]

wish i could just go "EÊÈÉĒ" and people would know what im taking about

[stable mantle]

Why not just say AD?

[shrewd estuary]

i hate ads (advertisements)
but i don't hate ad (avatar dynamics)

you see what i mean?

[lucid jacinth]

Sorry but everyone I have talked to here have called the bones Phys or physical interaction bones

[stable mantle]

AD capital. Or AviDyn.

[lime yarrow]

This is a lost cause

Lmao

[shrewd estuary]

phys is just short for physics and physical interaction is just long for physics

[lucid jacinth]

I know that

[shrewd estuary]

names are dumb and stupid let's all just screech and make weird noises like how we did when we were caveman

[stable mantle]

Avatar Dynamics is more than just PhysBones. — PhysBones are just a part of it. There's also avatar contacts.

[lucid jacinth]

I am just trying to say I am really used to calling them Phys bones

[lime yarrow]

That's what they're called

What's the issue

[lucid jacinth]

There not an issue

[lime yarrow]

There seems to be

[lucid jacinth]

Just got confused

I thought earlier that they were talking about the normal bones

But they meant Phys bones

[lime yarrow]

But it was pretty obvious to everybody else that that wasn't the case

[shrewd estuary]

normal bones are just an avatars rig

there's many bones

[lucid jacinth]

“Dynamic bones” is what I thought you meant

[lime yarrow]

Well now that we've cleared that up, we can move past it

[shrewd estuary]

yea

[lucid jacinth]

Agreed

[shrewd estuary]

let's all agree that this conversation was beyond stupid

[lucid jacinth]

I was about to say the same thing

[shrewd estuary]

great minds think alike

apparently so does my phone because it auto suggested i say this.

[lucid jacinth]

It was unneeded

The argument

Your phone is just a chad

[shrewd estuary]

tbh i could've just said this earlier and you would've gotten what i mean faster

we both done goofed lmao

[lucid jacinth]

Agreed

[shrewd estuary]

it's a motorola from 2016

[lucid jacinth]

Sorry for the miss understanding

[shrewd estuary]

sorry for not saying that at the start

[lucid jacinth]

It’s ok pal

[lucid jacinth]

Then it has a mind of its own

[shrewd estuary]

hey someone's gonna look back at that conversation and have a good laugh at the both of us
as long as everyone's happy

[lucid jacinth]

I bet so 🤣

The other people were just watching as our argument continued 🤣

[shrewd estuary]

about the naming of the beta, of all things.

[lucid jacinth]

Anyways bye for now

[shrewd estuary]

cya

[lucid jacinth]

Cya

[tender dome]

#open-beta-info

says how at the top

if you set it to OpenBeta then just wait for it to prompt an update

reboot your headset perhaps

https://i.imgur.com/GNOMxVy.png

on the store page

[shrewd estuary]

aaaaaa

[tender dome]

anyway, back to typing what i came here for

[shrewd estuary]

yee

[tender dome]

hey yall, im trying to see what settings people like to set for forces on their physbones components. I'd like to know what settings you set for:
-Hair
-Tails
-Chest
-Chains
-Skirts

if youve set up physbone components on any avatars for these things please let me know what you set for forces c:

[stable mantle]

VRChat for the love of all things holy just make the beta a second (meta) store listing, please.

[marble glen]

They’re aren’t worlds

[small surge]

Same i did with dynamic bones , just slap physbone on parts, then go to playmode, wobble avatar around edit values until it looks alright, copy/paste value after

[grim glacier]

is there a parameter for detecting if a physbone is being collided with? closest i see is for grabbing but that isn't the same

[tender dome]

so do i but i'd like to know what other people prefer to set for them

[grim glacier]

does anyone know why the default physbone values are so big?? like this is with the radius 1 on a reciever..

[small surge]

Your av is tiny

1.67m , but yes they start big to be noticable

[grim glacier]

idk how to check how many metres it is but ik it isn't that small

[small surge]

Put a cube near it, thats 1m

[small surge]

They are big to start i guess, edit them small 🤷 like physbone radius start at 0.025~ majority of my avs

[sullen elk]

Gravity is as strong as it looks in Unity editor because holy god my hair hangs like a brick

[timber jewel]

I mean you can just use like 0.0001 gravity if you want to xD

[sullen elk]

True

I'm a tiny bit confused, my contacts that had worked previously in the past are no longer now after updating SDK.

[onyx pivot]

It didn’t work

[onyx pivot]

Yeah it didn’t seem to work

[shrewd estuary]

how long did you wait

[onyx pivot]

Good 15 mins

[shrewd estuary]

try waiting longer

facebook is bad at managing betas. it takes a while.

[onyx pivot]

Oh ok

So I have it on live rn and it will not reinstall, so what do you say I do

[tender dome]

wait for it to prompt an update

[onyx pivot]

So install it on beta, switch it and then leave it?

[tender dome]

no

switch the channel to live and wait

[onyx pivot]

So I wait but I don’t have it installed?

I’m sorry for being difficult but I’ve be trying for 2 days now

[tight patrol]

Kinda sad you can only interact with other people with beta on if you have the beta on.

[tender dome]

thats the case with most beta's

[stable mantle]

Leave it uninstalled, and occasionally check VRChat's version number on the Store inside the quest to see if it matches LIVE. — After it matches you can uninstall.

RN LIVE versions are 117[X] & betas are 118[X]

[onyx pivot]

Ok t’y for the help

I checked and it had 117 yet I can’t install

[drowsy elbow]

Can someone ping me to the message that tells you how to leave beta pls

[shrewd estuary]

select live branch, uninstall, wait a while, reinstall

[drowsy elbow]

Ok thanks

[charred tree]

im tryna get into open beta

[shrewd estuary]

#open-beta-info

[charred tree]

ive tried

[hard pond]

Which platform?

[charred tree]

Oculus quest 2

[hard pond]

and which beta

[charred tree]

open beta

[hard pond]

there is 2 open beta in operation actually.
You meant for PhysBone or IK?

[charred tree]

hold on lemme check smth

[small surge]

ik 2 dont work with quest, open beta does (physbones)

#open-beta-announcements message

[hard pond]

yeap, just in case.

[drowsy elbow]

Is 10 to 20mins a good wait time

[shrewd estuary]

try longer

[hard pond]

anyway, if it physbone beta, toggle on app then reinstall be quickest way.
Maybe need to leave like 10-20 minutes between at least.

[drowsy elbow]

40mins

[stable mantle]

Ive had to wait 24 hours for a build channel to change once, and Ive heard of 48 hour + happening.

Anybody know what to do with an "The asset bundle is out of date" error?

Tried building my avi with the beta SDK and uploading updates to existing avis work, but trying to upload a new avatar results in it giving a blueprint ID error... even though theres no blueprint id on the model. — It hasnt been uploaded yet.

This doubly makes no sense because this looks like a world SDK error... for a Quest avatar build.

NVM. — Somehow it's like the Pipeline script attached to my avatar was broken. Deleting it caused a new one to be added (even though they were both empty) and it builds.

[unique fiber]

So, potentially stupid question, and I may have just missed finding the answer in my various searches ... but how exactly do I get the Avatar 3 Open Beta SDK? I've only just started out with making an avatar, and I'd like to just start with physbones now rather than doing dynamic bones then having to convert later

I have the 2022.2.16.19.13 SDK, but I'm not seeing physbones in Unity

[stable mantle]

It's posted as a download link in #open-beta-announcements

https://files.vrchat.cloud/sdk/VRCSDK3-AVATAR-2022.03.29.16.39_Public.unitypackage

[wintry notch]

Ik I already asked that but how do you grab physbones in the editor?

I am on play mode but idk what I'm doing

[stable mantle]

Game mode window, main camera, drag with the pointer.

[static iris]

Does anyone have a list of good physbones settings for hair, breast, tails, etc..?

[wintry notch]

I am dragging them

no effect

[static iris]

That happens to me to idk why I :(

[hollow hatch]

If you haven't updated to the latest release of the beta SDK you could be getting stopped by the error pause option in the console. Until this last release it would error when trying to drag a bone.

[wintry notch]

I am up to date

[static iris]

Me too

[wintry notch]

wait nvm I wasnt

[hollow hatch]

If you get errors when trying to drag bones, you aren't updated

[static iris]

No?

[glossy token]

Does anyone know where to get any boy avis with phsybones?

[static iris]

Look around public avatar dynamics servers and if you see one ou like, ask the person wearing it to clone it

Or use a site like gumroad if you know how to upload/add physbones yourself

[sullen elk]

Wanted to show off weapon/RP potential of my WIP public model using AD.
Misfires intentional ;)

[near grove]

Was you actually grabbing the sword or are you just good at using the emote wheel and lining it up

[near grove]

Any news yet on a estimate of when it may go live. Im thinking 2 months but not too sure

Am excited 😁

[lapis urchin]

if that is you actually grabbing it, how did you do that?

[fallow rock]

@near grove @lapis urchin If I were to guess the sheath would have a receiver looking for Hand L and the sword's handle a second receiver looking for Hand R both set to Constant with their own Params. Transitions in Fx would be checking for the respective param value as well as a Gesture value like 1 for fist to which it's entering an animation to change the source weights of parent constraints for both the sword and sheath objects/bones.
That's the train of thought you'd go with for particle drivers so makes sense to me to be something similar for contacts

Super cool stuff and 100x easier than using particles for grabbing things xD

[lapis urchin]

could it be done for other users? like have objects on my avatar other people can grab?

[signal condor]

uhhhh?

[lapis urchin]

man I wish I knew about this before it was removed, like I get why but I'm still upset

[sullen elk]

Actually grabbing it using avatar dynamics

[primal scaffold]

Heya, has anyone tried to put avatar dynamics on their avatars arm or similar. Tried to do a quick test of it just now on my left arm. Works well when I'm standing still, but when I move the arm with grabbable AD on it is really shaky. Is this just how it will be with AD so I need to make a toggle for my arm to be grabbable or am I just missing something?

[sullen elk]

Did you raise the immobile stat to 1 so it won't move?

[primal scaffold]

Yes

I have the current settings on it

It's attached to my upper arm.

I was thinking about immobile first aswell. But didn't seem to help.

[small surge]

physbone on humanoid bones did wierd things last time i tried it

Had one on my head and couldnt look up/down anymore

[primal scaffold]

Yeah. Had that problem in the beginning aswell. But I think that specific problem should be fixed now. I have my hair components on my head bone without any problems.

[small surge]

i know, it was for testing all my physbones are rooted

It the same when you attach something to head you want constraint it to somewhere instead or it get culled to 0

[restive tapir]

Yes i have the same issue is there a canny already?

[shrewd heron]

One big question. Avatar dynamics. They work on quest correct? Do I have to go on the new version or am I okay on the normal live

[raven laurel]

for now you need use beta version

[shrewd heron]

Is that the live or is that a different version from open beta on quest

[primal scaffold]

Been looking for a bit now and I can't find a canny on it. You or me?

[raven laurel]

open beta not ik beta if you choose beta version

[small surge]

keep in mind quest never had dynbones, so they need to be updated to have physbones, auto convert does nothing for them

[shrewd heron]

Okay

[restive tapir]

You please, im away from my pc

[primal scaffold]

Done :)

[graceful storm]

new sdk doesnt let me build avatar just checked it

had to load older one

[near grove]

That’s cool

[near grove]

If the avatar is on quest can you slide it??

[restive tapir]

Nice

[plush loom]

Why is the beta gone on quest 2

?

Hello?

[near grove]

Give it like, a moment please. Trust me, no need to rush.

[plush loom]

Ok

[near grove]

Maybe it’s coming out 😱😱😱

[plush loom]

When?!

Is there not a date that it will be coming out again?

[plush loom]

Hello

[shrewd estuary]

there is no current date of when the update will go live

[plush loom]

Ok do you know if it will be soon tho?

[shrewd estuary]

no

only devs know pretty much

[plush loom]

Is there a dev online right now

[shrewd estuary]

several

[plush loom]

Can you @ one for me please

[shrewd estuary]

they aren't gonna tell you the release date if you ask them lol

[plush loom]

Oh lol

TOP SECRET

[shrewd estuary]

confidential information

[plush loom]

Oh

Well thank you for your help anyway have a great rest of your day

[shrewd estuary]

thanks you too

[sullen elk]

I will have a Quest version eventually, gotta remodel the entire thing specifically for Quest

[shrewd estuary]

evil facebook be like "i am good at managing betas"

[near grove]

Ohh ok ok well whenever you do it you remember could you dm me

Cause honestly grabbing the sword pretty cool

[sullen elk]

For sure! I already have a Quest thing out but it seems to scare everyone off because I’m too realistic lol

[muted bloom]

I would not look at Quest’s beta behavior as any indication of anything. It is known to be unpredictable

Just because a beta vanishes does not mean anything is coming. It could just be Meta being dumb.

[stable mantle]

Any bones attached to the hands that are grabable will behave this way, in my experience. — Since every model has default colliders and contacts, it's basically in a state of constant interaction.

I tried throwing a PhysBone on my sword (idea was that people could stop it mid swing) and it just constantly wobbled.

[muted bloom]

You can disable self interact on phys bones

[stable mantle]

I can't recall if i tried that or not but I want to say i did and it still misbehaved. Though that could just be beta buggy behavior.

[muted bloom]

It might be a good idea to have bool on the actual phys bone script that disables self interact regardless of the user preference setting however

Maybe someone should feature request it

[stable mantle]

It'd actually be useful if PhysBones connected to the hand would block self-interaction for just that side.

That way you could still interact with them on the opposite hand.

[near grove]

Where can I get it?

[twin musk]

Will physics bones collide with collider components that are in the same gameobject? I'm giving the colliders different parent transforms, of course

[lapis urchin]

I know a bunch of people made grabable objects for themselves, but is it possible to have an object other people can grab off of me?

[timber jewel]

yes and no

You could also people to grab stuff and with stretch you could make it look like they are holding it

[twin musk]

Nevermind this was easy af to test, I don't know why I asked. Downside is you can't see the colliders while rotating the parent transform

[timber jewel]

but only for the max stretch range

[lapis urchin]

welp, time to find where I can request features, a component that lets a specified object be picked up off my avatar would be nice

[bright jungle]

https://feedback.vrchat.com/open-beta - but as mentioned above, that's kinda covered by the physbone stretch option, to an extent

[lapis urchin]

yeah but I want them to be able to grab it off and just go wherever with it, and also tether it to a specific direction and not just whatever direction they grab it off of me with

feels inefficient to make a chain of like 50 bones just so someone can grab something off of me (mostly because its one of those things people would grab then run away with)

[grim glacier]

does anyone know why my phsybones don't seem to be interactable? they also don't highlight as blue with avatar overlay turned on

[small surge]

radius 0

You need some or its impossible to interact with

[primal scaffold]

Sadly I get this behaviour even if colissions is disabled. And if I don't close my hand it won't be interacting. Right?

[stable mantle]

I had this behavior too with my sword. I think the issue is that the hands have both contacts and colliders. So turning off grabbing still leaves room for collision.

Collision, unlike colliders, cannot be toggled just for self-interaction since that's the only thing they're used for.

So it'll be better depending on your use case, but it'll still be wrong.

[primal scaffold]

Hmm. OK.

[stable mantle]

You can toggle off collision. But it'll be fully for that bone and its children. Which I doubt is desirable.

If you don't need collision it might be worth trying though?

E.G. If all you want is for it to be grabable by others.

I honestly havent seen what happens if you toggle collision off alongside self-interaction.

[primal scaffold]

Yes. That is what I've tried to do. No real reason for anyone to be able to poke my arm around with their finger collider. Only grab and pose is desirable.

I still get the same jitter in my arm while moving

Everything works just fine when I'm standing still. Even with colissions on.

[near grove]

Are these console warnings normal for the test Avatar Dynamic Robot example provided in the SDK? I can't get the said controller parameters to activate either, so I'm assuming that I messed something up and I need to make a new project.

[small surge]

ignore, for some reason it says that if you dont have em in controller, any parameter you add to physbone sorta expect em

_Prox one i dont know about

[near grove]

OK, thanks. I'm still confused on why I'm having issues, but this makes it easier to troubleshoot

[small surge]

prox must be a custom thing, IsGrabbed / Stretch / Angle is normal

[sullen elk]

Think it’s the proximity float for contacts?

[stable mantle]

Was about to say this.

[small surge]

Could be

[stable mantle]

_Prox is used with contacts when set to proximity, providing a float between 0 & 1 of how close to contact center it is.

[timber jewel]

(only works with spheres btw)

[sullen elk]

And apparently offsets are broken as hell too

So am I gonna have to add all these parameters to my animators even if I’m not using them?

[stable mantle]

That'd make sense, the way it's design. Capsule would be harder to gauge distance to the center without additional calculations, vs "is it in contact? y/n"

[timber jewel]

Yup it's by design

[stable mantle]

It's a ⚠️ not a 🛑 so I assume no

It's just the SDK saying "Hey a script is looking for these, and I checked the back and we have none in stock."

[sullen elk]

I know but it still bugs my heart

[stable mantle]

The SDK in general is a bundle of bugs, atop an already buggy Unity editor, so I've learned to be numb to ⚠️

I've even gotten an 🛑 ... that's just a manually pushed error giving you the Microsoft Visual C++ version.

[near grove]

OK so I am still really confused on making this work. I made a new project, imported the beta SDK and that's it.

Imported the Dynamic Robot scene from the example folder. Added a cube object to the scene with a Sender script attached, set to "sphere", as pictured.

I hit play, and move the cube towards the receiver button, and it just won't activate. What am I doing wrong here?

[stable mantle]

1. Make sure your objects have VRCAvatarDescriptors on them — for some reason PhysBones wont fire in the editor without them for me.

2. Make sure everything is animated properly — I had to tweak the example, personally, to get it to work.

—
Others here might have more succinct analysis of issues too.

[near grove]

Oh, I did not think to double check the example before I tested this

OK, so setting the robot's Animator controller to "FX" fixed the problem

[stable mantle]

Do you have the Luma AV3 emulator?

[near grove]

I do

[stable mantle]

Ok just checking cause without the emulator the way the robot is set up it doesn't fire at all for me without it. — To be clear, you can test contacts without it (I've done it), but certain configurations seem not to fire with the SDK alone.

[stable mantle]

And ye the demo scene it comes with already has the FX layer set up

[near grove]

Yeah I'm not sure what was going on with my original project. It wasn't working for the longest while but I removed the avatar emulator and now it's working

For some reason, changing the debug selection to "FX" in the emulator didn't work, but removing the emulator and manually setting the controller works

Thanks for the help btw. Would've taken me forever to think to start messing with the emulator

[stable mantle]

I dont mess with the emulators debug options personally. If I need to test specific layers I'll swap out my avi with a duplicate that has the specific animator controller set in its animator property.

[near grove]

I see

[grim glacier]

is there a way to detect the movement / velocity of a contact sender constantly? like i wanna detect if the player is getting headpats and currently it triggers whenever the hand just stays inside the collider even if it doesn't move at all

[stable mantle]

I know OnEnter has a velocity value but it only triggers on the enter frame and immediately resets to 0 next frame, so you'd probably have to combine it with a second collider to get what you want.

IDK for sure. Just brainstorming here.

[grim glacier]

but if i had 2 colliders i'd still only be checking if they're moving there hand at a certain speed on enter, and not constantly moving their hand

[stable mantle]

I meant like combining a proximity collider and a entrance collider, and using the two values and some complex animator logic.

[bright jungle]

probably Constant detection on the contact receiver

[stable mantle]

What you want would be trivial if animators could compare values; e.g. "if value_a greater than value_b, but that's not seemingly possible.

[grim glacier]

i could use a proximity then check if the value is constantly changing?

[stable mantle]

Constant is just on/off.

They're wanting to detect movement.

[bright jungle]

they said "even if it doesn't move at all"

[stable mantle]

They said "currently it triggers ... even if it doesn't move at all"

[bright jungle]

ye I reread that now lol

whoops, brain go brr

[stable mantle]

Proximity will give a float from 0.0 - 1.0 based on how close to center the contact is, which could work with a blend tree if the animation is simple enough.

0 being the no movement state and 1 being the movement state. But it'd still trigger without movement if the hand rested at the center.

OnEnter sounds right, but it'd take pretty complex logic plus a second constant or proximity receiver to get that going right.

[grim glacier]

i could check if the proximity is constantly changing

idk how but seems possible

[stable mantle]

That's what I was thinking but that requires comparing two values, which is, afaik, outside the scope of the animator's abilities.

OH WAIT

I have a crazy idea.

Have two contacts, but spaced slightly apart, and small enough that they don't touch completely.

"Play ping pong"

E.G. Have two identical "on" state animators. Then when contact is received, transition to one. Then have two state transitions for each:

The first one will have no conditions and an exit time.

The second one will be if the opposite contact has a value.

So if you don't move between the two contacts fast enough, it'll reset the animation state.

—
Im actually working up a demo

[grim glacier]

well that relies on the user patting a specific part of the head

that being in between the receivers

if they pat the left or right of the head for example it won't activate

[stable mantle]

Depends on how you space the colliders

You could use 2 capsules, and if you use OnEnter they can have some overlap.

This is a quick example I whipped up.

The gist is:

The Exit Time to Idle determines how fast you have to be bouncing from collider to collider.

The contacts use OnEnter which prevents you from resting between both colliders to trigger it.

—
Note that it seems "Exit Time" is based on the length of the animation, expressed as a percentage. Not seconds.

[wheat fjord]

has interia been implemented yet?

[vague wolf]

What’s that?

Im new to the whole avatar making and the Avatar Dynamics so don’t mind me asking

[wheat fjord]

Something in physbones doesn't have. It breaks older things you could do with dyn bones.It's in the tracker

Like this knife system I'm trying to fix

[vague wolf]

Ah ok

[wheat fjord]

I can spin it but only if it's in the air

otherwise it doesn't because no intertia

[vague wolf]

Oh ok ok

[wheat fjord]

Also collisions are affected because they don't create momentum

Not really a physics system without the 3rd law of motion

You can see the effect here

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1DTbdn2_Qmpi8RXS-t6lkH_eVmXSF8pfP/view

[peak rivet]

Got a script error while trying to convert my avatar to PhysBones.

[wheat fjord]

and momentum not working

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1PDpzrDkKFJOTdYERbfKB3O5DUVtgITvS/view

Can't know more without seeing the project

[peak rivet]

I'll try re-importing the SDK

[hazy linden]

Btw, don't delete the sdk from the project to re-import or it'll sometime purge all your state behaviors. Make sure to follow the instructions on the docs https://docs.vrchat.com/docs/updating-the-sdk

Yes, it messes up a lot

On all layers in my experience.
Just open up your animators and 3.0 menus. And see if anything is missing

[peak rivet]

This is a fresh project, btw. Not 30 minutes old.

I am basically starting from scratch with the avatar base and my textures.

[hazy linden]

Huh, that's good atleast

That's normal for unity. A material property has to be animated the same for all materials on a mesh

No way using quest shaders to my knowledge

Poiyomi has built in ways around it, but custom shaders aren't supported on quest

[grim glacier]

I think thats only the case if you put the animator controllers in the vrcsdk folder which is where the default ones are tho?

[gritty salmon]

while you can't animate one material property, you can replace materials in an animation

[onyx pivot]

It didn’t work and I’m still stuck

[onyx pivot]

Would anyone be willing to vc to help me redownload vrchat?

[bright jungle]

Switch to Live, uninstall the game, wait a couple hours and reinstall

Oculus/Meta/etc's handling of branches goes brrr

[near bobcat]

is it possible to get the open beta with the rift software? i use a quest with link

[stable wagon]

Yes. It hard to set up

[slender ocean]

anyone else having this problem? https://feedback.vrchat.com/open-beta/p/1183-avatar-descriptor-collider-customizations-dont-reflect-in-game

[shrewd estuary]

excited to say that my avatar does not have really large contacts.

because apparently that is an issue some people have been having

i don't think neetroo's vrcat is very fond of physics bones.

look at the ears

[stable mantle]

If you installed VRChat before the build number matches then you didn't read very well.

You have to leave it uninstalled until the Quest realizes your on the live branch if you have the bug.

[onyx pivot]

I can try again but it did say117

[stable mantle]

Also double check via the mobile app that you are on LIVE. The website will sometimes let you change branches even if you're logged out (lmao) so its an easy mistake to make.

If all else fails, contact Oculus/Meta customer service.

[onyx pivot]

Ok so I’m checking rn I have it uninstalled and it says 2022.1.1p4-1173—Release

[runic jewel]

spark is typing...

[onyx pivot]

I made a ticket on vrchat website

[open blade]

Update!

[shrewd estuary]

fear

[stable mantle]

That is correct for LIVE. If the store on the Quest itself says that it should install live.

[modern flame]

favorite caching bug gone thank god

[onyx pivot]

Ok I’ll try installing

[shrewd estuary]

favorites bugs fixed?!?!

[sudden basalt]

GOODBYE FAVORITE ISSUES

[shrewd estuary]

[molten cobalt]

also yay we can use more than floats on Contacts

[stable mantle]

VRChat cant fix that, and beta feedback is via Canny. — The bug is an Oculus/Meta issue not a VRChat issue.

[hearty ore]

Some one ping me when we are out of beta

[shrewd estuary]

[tender dome]

POG

[stable mantle]

"World Favorite Rows may have paging issues on Quest" — Lmao even LIVE has this issue.

[tender dome]

finally no more "i cant favorite/unfavorite avatars" in general-1

[shrewd estuary]

awesome update thx team

[shrewd estuary]

about time

[humble pulsar]

Finally that bug was a huge pain in the ass

[onyx pivot]

It didn’t install, so ur saying I contact oculus/meta?

[humble pulsar]

I thought we’d have to wait until the new UI came out but glad I was proven wrong

[tender dome]

same

[stable mantle]

Yes. app installation issues is not anything VRChat can help with. It's an issue with Meta/Oculus servers and the Quest OS.

[shrewd estuary]

yeah same

really exciting stuff

[stable mantle]

https://support.oculus.com/articles/contact-us/contact-us/index-contact-us

[tender dome]

now fix index root motion pls

[onyx pivot]

Ty

[shrewd estuary]

yes god please

[shrewd estuary]

@marble loom EY

[inner creek]

Wait... does that patch note mean we can use triggers?

[shrewd estuary]

perchance

[slender ocean]

uh oh thats not a good sign, a new patch and almost no dynamics related fixes

[shrewd estuary]

pretty sure that is a good sign

[vague vine]

The last patch before this one was... two days ago.

[shrewd estuary]

less bugs to fix = larger chance upd goes live

[winter dragon]

• Contacts will now accept a parameter and send an according value instead of requiring the use of a float
  So we can no longer set the parameter to a specific value?

[slender ocean]

no thats a bad thing lol

[shrewd estuary]

[stable mantle]

We no longer have to. If you set it to int, it's int. Set it to float? It's float.

[dim cloak]

I presume this includes bools

Sweet

[stable mantle]

Previously if you didn't use float it'd break.

[winter dragon]

yes but i had a contact that when touched set the float to 0.2

[slender ocean]

it still has tons of bugs, and if they are fixing non-dynamics stuff thats a sign that they think its fine as is

[winter dragon]

can't do that anymore

[stable mantle]

That should still work?

[winter dragon]

not from what i'm seeing

[stable mantle]

It's not removing floats.

[dim cloak]

I think you can still do that fine or you can just use a bool for on/off

[shrewd estuary]

what are the bugs if you dont mind me asking

havent purposely looked for them

[stable mantle]

It's supposed to be removing the requirement for floats. If you're using _Prox with a float it should still work unless its a bug.

[dim cloak]

I'm loading the new SDK into my project and will test and see if it's bugged or something.

[winter dragon]

i was using a constant that would set the float to a float to a specific value

[stable mantle]

So you were using a parameter driver?

[winter dragon]

nope but thats probably what i'll have to do now

[stable mantle]

???

What?

Contact is on/off (1/0), and so is OnEnter.

If you could make it set any other value it was probably a bug.

Is there a reason you need it to be 0.2? Instead of 1.0?

[winter dragon]

it was really niche having to do with volume and an instrument i'll just have to setup the contact to use a parameter driver instead but there were many use cases if you wanted to set specific things to happen at points on a float

[dim cloak]

I'm not actually seeing the ability to pick different parameters in the receivers, not set values.

Like if I set the receiver to affect a int, I don't see anything saying that I can set the int to X

just that it will be set to 1, otherwise the value is 0.

[winter dragon]

thats what i mean theres not way of setting the values anymore

[dim cloak]

I see now

[stable mantle]

If Im getting this correct, you were basically tying it in to an existing parameter that triggered under other instances?

[dim cloak]

Maybe they accidentally took out that line for setting the value?

[stable mantle]

So there is a float that needs to be 0.2 at some point, and you were purposefully using the contact to drive that value?

[winter dragon]

yeah basically

[dim cloak]

Yes, you can trigger multiple different animations with that one float based on different values along that float. Although an int would be just as viable for the now, I think?

But you already had it working with a float, so no point in converting it to work with ints now.

[winter dragon]

yeah but can't set anything now its just 1 or 0

[dim cloak]

^ I'm having the same problem

[stable mantle]

I see. So in fixing the forced float issue they introduce another bug.

[dim cloak]

Seems more like they just forgot to add in a part of the UI for the receiver, but yeah basically lol.

[tender dome]

[stable mantle]

I mean it was part of the receiver, so that seems to suggest they either broke it or removed it.

[dim cloak]

I imagine if any of the devs are reading this chat at the moment, they're probably looking into a hotfix for it quickly right now.

[shrewd estuary]

[dim cloak]

Assuming it is incorrect

[shrewd estuary]

[winter dragon]

yeah i don't see the point in using a int in the contacts without being able to set a value

[tender dome]

so the problem is you cant set a value?

[dim cloak]

Being able to drive other parameters besides floats is definitely one of the implementations that they needed to have in before full release though. Hopefully they get the UI fixed soon.

[winter dragon]

yes

[stable mantle]

You cant specify the value set.

[past dock]

is this beta related to physic bones or ik?

[tender dome]

[stable mantle]

It's now hardcoded to 1/0.

[dim cloak]

Ints are pretty much entirely unusable with the current implementation of not being able to set a value.

[stable mantle]

It's possible this was done to be compatible with Bool

[tender dome]

this channel is for physbones, #ik-2 for ik

[past dock]

i mean the beta that just launched

there are 2 betas rn

[tender dome]

oh, this is for physbones

[dim cloak]

This is for Open Beta

Avatar Dynamics

[past dock]

ty

[dim cloak]

Ideally, they just let us define a parameter type in the receiver and then the UI changes accordingly to the parameter type for the values it can change. I.e. if you choose bool then nothing needs to be displayed, it's either on/off how it is now. Floats, we are allowed to change the value from 0 and in between to 1. Ints are then obviously 1, 2, 3... and so on.

[tender dome]

[stable mantle]

For contact, that'd make sense. OnEnter a simple 0/1 makes more sense and likewise with Parameter, only a float will do.

But yeah, smarter contact inference would be good. I imagine the option was removed to make it compliant with bool and float. — Hopefully a future SDK update would then add back setting a value.

Heck, even something as simple as a "Use Custom Value" checkbox could work, forcing Int (or float if there's a decimal). Unchecking it would make it 0/1 and work as any value type.

[dim cloak]

You would still want the option for Ints for OnEnter. If you use OnEnter receivers for a UI's buttons, then ideally it would drive to different int values depending on which receiver is being hit.

Simplicity would just be allowing us to pick the parameter type, receiver type, and then display the according parameter info to whichever parameter you picked.

I imagine they'll have some sort of fix for the UI out soon

[vague vine]

It's a good idea to create a canny post detailing your thoughts

[stable mantle]

With OnEnter though it's only set for a frame and immediately resets to 0 though. It's intended to function more like a "tripswitch" than a button or contact sensor.

I would think you'd want to use either not OnEnter or use animator logic for any particular values.

[dim cloak]

https://feedback.vrchat.com/open-beta/p/1186-option-to-select-parameter-type-and-display-parameter-info-accordingly here is the canny for the request to rework the receiver ui a bit to make it easier for people to use and simpler.

[worn crater]

If I'm reading the latest notes correctly, I can use Booleans for PhysBone Contacts now?

[dim cloak]

They should work, yes.

[warm silo]

My Unity project broke after updating to the 3/30 then todays sdk

the avatar builder is gone

[fallow rock]

what console errors do you have?

[stable mantle]

Delete the VRCSDK folder and import the latest package. Ive found upgrading the beta SDKs breaks it.

My controlpanel disables the performance ranking system if I upgrade.

Gotta fresh import. All new files.

[warm silo]

Sucks

I hope I don't have to redo any of my avatars

[stable mantle]

Not too bad at least. Not a full re-import. Just delete the SDK folder and import the unitypackage for the latest SDK.

[warm silo]

Didn't work

VRC SDK tab still just says RELOAD SDK

[stable mantle]

Right click the root Assets folder and "Re-import All"

Then restart unity when it finishes.

[warm silo]

ok

[stable mantle]

If that doesn't work your project is possibly damaged. You can drag the assets from it to a new project.

[warm silo]

Yeah, I think it's just broken

[fallow rock]

no. It's a community shader based asset. I highly doubt it'll ever get official support

[warm silo]

It's reimporting everything and it's gonna take a real long time

I'll just wait and hope for the best

[bright jungle]

bit late but heckiN WOO

favoriting bugs sent to the shadow realm

[stable mantle]

Only way anything custom will come to Quest is if custom shaders come to Quest.

They do have the fallback shader system now. In theory this could allow for custom shaders down the road (shaders blocked by default) but for now, Quest cant do transparency with supported shaders letalone anything custom.

[sullen elk]

Hihi, quick question about how this update works.

Will the Contacts drive any parameter that has the specified name, whether it's a Bool, Int or Float?
It'll send a value that corresponds to the value of the parameter?

[winter dragon]

anyone else having trouble uploading avatars in new Beta sdk that is?

[glass cloud]

wait hold on is the open beta almost ready for live considering the most recent open beta announcment

[drowsy quiver]

i hope not, there's still a lot to do...

[glass cloud]

like performance stuff

and more obvs

then again theyre still doing a great job

[warm silo]

I feel like they're planning on releasing both betas as one big update

[covert jetty]

struggling to find the phys bones recommended limits, can someone give me a poke with it?

[molten cobalt]

https://docs.vrchat.com/v2022.1.2/docs/avatar-performance-ranking-system

https://i.gyazo.com/5e602c227104b4a18ae953b4a6c2ba59.png

[wheat fjord]

How do I get the beta tester role?

[molten cobalt]

Quest limits https://i.gyazo.com/7c4597e3df0193426277e94a824f43cb.png

[covert jetty]

ok now im getting a bunch of compiler errors for stuff

[glad cape]

Oh boy looks like I'm not uploading any time soon. Even after reinstalling the new SDK. Error saving blueprint upon upload attempt... (which... still saves a blueprint to the avatar...?)
Update's nice and all, but it'd be nice to be able to use the SDK 🤷‍♀️

[winter dragon]

yep new SDK can't upload new avatars currently only update existing ones just got done testing even happens in a new project tested with both Last SDK and The New one

https://gyazo.com/6b5cce134e9f60a5d54913551cb56198

[glad cape]

Well there goes the day. Thanks for the confirmation.

[winter dragon]

i've been testing different things for the past 2hrs to try and see what was causing it

[glad cape]

...Idea. Searches for an avatar ID to reuse

[winter dragon]

Did get it to upload by using an old avatar ID

so that should work for now 😄

[covert jetty]

does this apply to existing pc ones too? can i make a shell pc av and then upload a quest update or do i need to upload a quest shell and then update

[winter dragon]

no idea don't have a quest so never uploaded them

[covert jetty]

fairs

from a brief test this does indeed seem to be the case

used shell pc avs then uploaded full quest avs on the new sdk and got no error

[hushed schooner]

What is IK-Beta

[final ferry]

Inverse kinematics Beta build

Basically a system where program tries to figure out the positions of your joints and bones

[warm cedar]

Or for those who still don't get it:
Black magic mathematics for your body

[alpine pivot]

does anyone have any idea somewhat of when beta will release to live? /nm

[arctic flare]

Your guess is as good as everyone else's. No announcement was made. Some think maybe middle of next month but we can't be sure

[alpine pivot]

someone said it was coming out today?? im just confused lol

[arctic flare]

They just released a new beta SDK (which is broken) so the chances are nearly 0% of that happening

[alpine pivot]

aww mannn, i got so excited

[arctic flare]

We all are I guess. Can't wait for it either. Done and seen so much fun stuff already in the beta 😖

[timber jewel]

So I guess I should now use a bool?

[timber jewel]

Well I just found out why my stretch value isn't / wasn't working

[keen nova]

Contacts components can only use floats, but you can bundle all your contacts together if you only plan on one contact triggering at a time.
Like this:

[timber jewel]

I think you have not read the patch notes from yesterday :p

[keen nova]

Wait what

[keen nova]

Lol

Hard to keep up with all the patches

Was looking at the out of date docs lol

[timber jewel]

the docs have not been update since 30 days xD

[keen nova]

Fair enough, this is good if you want more than 8 states per pram. Just to save on bits. ;p

[timber jewel]

I finally now where all my problems came from.....

[shrewd estuary]

shout-out to the docs pages that use pictures of like
2018 vrchat ui

[timber jewel]

The bones on my hooddie are at scale 100

[shrewd estuary]

[timber jewel]

and all the child bones were at scale 1

which didn't really work that well

now since I put my stuff on an extra bone with scale 1 it works flawless

[warm cedar]

congrats on that

[timber jewel]

idk why the hell that stupid hoodie was made with everything at scale 100

[fallow rock]

Things having an Armature scale of 100 is commonly due to the Apply Scalings in the fbx export settings. Setting it to be Fbx All should export with scale 1.

[timber jewel]

Then I think I should make a canny about it

The bones them self work fine at scale 100 btw only the parameters get a bit wonky

[quartz fractal]

so we can add typing on avatar sdk?

[timber jewel]

what?

[timber jewel]

I made a canny for it.

https://feedback.vrchat.com/open-beta/p/1186-phys-bone-paramters-wont-work-corectly-is-root-bone-is-scaled-to-big

[quartz fractal]

seems like new version of sdk let you typing with your avatar idk tho

[timber jewel]

typing with your Avatar?

[quartz fractal]

yea im seeing my avatar friend can typing with his avatar

[cursive bridge]

Hey does anyone know if we can animate Gravity value yet on physbones

[gritty salmon]

Your issue might also be that you have a non-uniform scale (Z is different from X and Y)

which means bones change their base length as they rotate, which isn't really compatible with physics

[timber jewel]

going to try that out real quick

I hate my life

I changed my canny for it

https://feedback.vrchat.com/open-beta/p/1186-phys-bone-paramters-wont-work-corectly-if-x-y-z-scale-are-not-the-same

Thanks for you help @gritty salmon
I'm feeling really dumb right now ngl 😅

[timber jewel]

I'm even more confused now

[timber jewel]

Why I'm confused:
https://youtu.be/jEcIGkxIpWY

[sullen elk]

Did you duplicate these to make them? Copy/Paste component?
I heard from a friend recently that copying and pasting gameobjects and components is broken with phys bones/contacts and makes them break.
So you need to recreate them.

[astral otter]

I am getting this error. And when I went to upload it, it wanted to delete the descriptor

I remade the descriptor, and then it got deleted. Along with the Skinned Mesh Renderer

nvm I got it

Well, I tried to go back to VRC SDK, but the builder wouldn't load so I restarted and now the Descriptor looks like this:

And I can't access the builder anymore

[timber jewel]

nope they arent

I also updated my canny a bit:
https://feedback.vrchat.com/open-beta/p/1186-phys-bone-paramters-wont-work-corectly-in-some-weird-situations

[quasi bramble]

You need to delete the whole vrcsdk files and reimport with the unity package

[astral otter]

Thank you for the reply! I tried it with a different avatar that I have it didn't break anything, so I gave up on the avatar. I am now just going to use the Robot Avatar that comes with the SDK because it's just for testing purposes

[quasi bramble]

Alr!

[patent tapir]

So I just got the new SDK today and now I can’t upload anything. I keep getting the same error. I reimport project, error. I delete the blueprint id and put a new one, error. I don’t know what to do anymore

[winter dragon]

Yeah it a bug atm with the new sdk can't upload new avatars. You can update avatars but not upload new ones. A way around it is to Upload an avatar with another SDK and use its blueprint id in the SDK to override it.

[patent tapir]

yikes....thanks for the info

[winter dragon]

yeah figured that out after like 2-3hrs of trying to hunt down the bug XD

[patent tapir]

dedication ♥️

[winter dragon]

https://vrchat.canny.io/open-beta/p/1186cant-upload-new-avatars

[stable mantle]

Is this just with the latest SDK? I used an older build fine just a couple days ago.

[timber jewel]

Only with the new SDK

[balmy oyster]

When is the beta getting released? Does anyone know?

[timber jewel]

there is no ETA

maybe next week, maybe in 2 months

[balmy oyster]

Okay

[hollow hatch]

Rule 5 of the server. You have to report people correctly, not on Discord, #moderation-reports

[harsh bay]

Just detach the blueprint.
It’ll be fine, I’ve had that a few times.

[stable mantle]

I was having a similar error with an older beta SDK. The Pipeline Manager script was borked preventing it from creating a model. Kept giving an error from what I assume was the world's SDK because it was telling me to click "New Build" "on" the "scene".

Though Ive also seen this kind of blueprint issue if the VRCCam object is deleted from the scene or replaced during upload.

[naive zodiac]

What is the open beta steam acsses code

i get this screen

Hello?

i Am very confused

[raven laurel]

you already have open beta.

[naive zodiac]

but it will not let me continue

o

wait hol uup

i fixed it

im stupid sometimes

[lusty marsh]

is the being stuck in beta around still for quest?

[raven laurel]

it should be ok now

[patent tapir]

I switched to an older SDK and it works fine

[stable mantle]

It's on a per-user basis and its a Oculus Meta bug. Though its been happening less lately so perhaps Meta fixed the issue.

[bright arch]

does anyone have any avatar world suggestions?

i’ve been trying to find some but i’m having a hard time

[stable mantle]

For Avatar Dynamics? Just the AD world at the moment, to my knowledge. Probably wont see a lot of AD avatar worlds until its live.

[bright arch]

aww

okay

thank you :)

[wheat fjord]

Does anyone else feel like we might be somewhat close to final release given what was said in the release notes of the last version?

[stable mantle]

I think we're "getting there" — There's still bugs to be ironed out before launch, and I have a feeling some of the removed features (setting custom values) was done for stability and reliability purposes (you lose setting custom values but gain Bool compatibility and less to go wrong).

It might be a case where we reach a state where base features can go live, but they keep the beta around for changes and additions to AD & PB.

[granite ibex]

Is there a way I can use open beta on a air linked quest 2?

[molten cobalt]

https://i.gyazo.com/d20fa3590f84b09218a9449cadf9e543.png basically just use the rift url

[granite ibex]

Ah alright thanks man

[molten cobalt]

or following the steam instructions works depending on which you normally use on pc vr vrchat

[stable mantle]

You can use Steam VR with AirLink

AirLink is just using a Quest as a Rift S so it should be whichever version they use, preferably (Steam or Oculus)

[molten cobalt]

given the trouble everybody's been having on Quest yeah perhaps better idea to use steam VR version as that pretty much instantaneously swaps versions

[stable mantle]

I half wonder if all the issues with Quest betas is pushing them to prioritize stability over functionality and boot it out the door.

So many people ||with no business installing any kind of beta|| having issues and filing with customer support just because Avatar Dynamics is so hyped a feature.

Be easier on them to get something stable out the door, and add features in the beta later on.

[muted brook]

they need to be basically on feature parity before they push dynamics if they dont want people to have a hissy fit

[stable mantle]

DynamicBones will still work for now, so if they get a basic implementation "out the door", but keep the beta open and add features, then it'd quell all the e-kid avi wearers and the other Quest users who joined the beta to try avatars that don't exist and then got upset they can't play on live in a beta that fundamentally changes how the avatars work.

And devs needing feature parity could continue to implement features in the beta.

[lime yarrow]

Anybody know how to fix this error?

Installed the latest beta SDK and I'm getting this and I can't upload.

also my receivers are all missing their parameter values

[minor flax]

@lime yarrow The receivers have been turned into booleans unless you use proximity (but the avlues are then set automatically).

The upload issue has been answered in an earlier message I cannot seem to find, but basically the SDK does not seem to be able to write new avatar blueprint IDs, so you need to use an older SDK to make the initial upload (mainly just to prepare the ID) then go back to the beta SDK project to replace said avatar with your new one

[lime yarrow]

they're strictly Booleans?

It doesn't say that anywhere in the patch notes

and it also doesn't make any sense

And this is also not a new blueprint ID

it's an existing one

[minor flax]

They're strcitly booleans yes, or more specifically they always send 1 as the value

[lime yarrow]

And a minute ago, I was able to set a custom value

after updating

then suddenly this happened

[minor flax]

Ah wait

Did you delete the VRCSDK folder before updating?

[lime yarrow]

No

they tell you not to

[minor flax]

That might be why you can't upload then

It broke

Hold on lemme find an earlier message that mentions this

[lime yarrow]

Yeah but how do I fix it

okay

lmao

Thanks

[minor flax]

#open-beta-discussion message

Here's a link to a message, seemingly replying to an issue similar to yours

[lime yarrow]

Yeah

But Im pretty sure deleting the sdk breaks state behaviors

[minor flax]

I've tried it personally despite having way too many contacts and behaviors

It does until you reinstall it

Unity's pretty smart when it comes to finding missing things when they get readded

[lime yarrow]

okay I'll try it