vrchat-general-2

[coarse blaze]

I mean, Momo was engaging yesterday, Zixha replied, hackspanner talked, nifty255 talked a lot, Fusl talked a lot 🤔

[distant rampart]

The passive ones already do combat them at times, imagine if things go better.

[sharp rose]

okay FINE i just eat all the snacks and hide in the closet all day, OKAY

[simple hinge]

That's my job!!

[coarse blaze]

sach and tupper aren't actually the only ones talking, they're just the only ones with nothing to do atm :^)

[sharp rose]

they dont know im still in here, shhhh

[jovial kestrel]

When was there a career opening for "Office Goblin"

[tardy finch]

👀

[simple hinge]

Actually, I hide in my office.

[jovial kestrel]

I'd have been perfect.

[main fern]

we'll have ourselves heaven in vr

[sharp rose]

unofficial listing. i showed up one day and refused to leave until cheetos were given. and ofc everyone knows if you feed a stray...

[jovial kestrel]

Ahh makes sense.

[vocal shard]

[digital mantle]

Now look at you, “badge” and everything :^)

[tranquil socket]

aaaaa, just wishes spy-moderators people just, freeroaming world to world, and find one of those rippers and just ip-ban em ewe

[jovial kestrel]

It's like that one library that has a cat that "works" there.

[sharp rose]

see you get it

[untold delta]

is there a support channel in this discord

[spring vine]

when my only talents are art and idea making getting a job be bleh, want a videogame job where I can throw my ideas at and be payed for it lol but sadly no college so no job

[coarse blaze]

I swear you guys have some kind of addon that autopings whenever sm1 mentions you without the @

[jovial kestrel]

#user-support-old for help from your peers, or #vrchat-support for submitting tickets to the team directly.

[simple hinge]

@jovial kestrel Japan has train station supervisor cats. Get on their level.

[unreal verge]

Let's test it. Tupper.

[sharp rose]

College isnt a dealbreaker in this industry tbh. Put your resume out there anyway. Worst they can say is "no" 😄

[coarse blaze]

He read this.

[spring vine]

I have and sadly most places where I can work from home say no

[sharp rose]

Just means you havent found the right one yet, is all. Keep at it. ❤️

[tranquil socket]

i love the name .3.

[vale pecan]

I still need to find a WFH job where I don't need to be able to speak.

[jovial kestrel]

I believe in you.

[sharp rose]

Accounting? uh...lot of things but can't think of em all on the spot tbh

[covert chasm]

sorry it was lagging, what

[vocal shard]

Lol

The problem with 'clients' is that they're just software, there's nothing special that differentiates some python script in VSCode that can do the same stuff - from someone whom goes through a 'client'. By blanket banning 'clients' you are actually having to target ones you know about - so public ones. At the end of the day client-side things are values in memory.

That said, there can be a dialogue on wether flying/teleporting is okay for mods. Personally I think in the online world players should be using their block button for things like that. In chillout it's a feature that people like - and there too the block/filter is the ten commandments.

[unreal verge]

Uhm

[tardy finch]

nah, I'm just a professional lurker

[sharp rose]

always lurking

[coarse blaze]

even rubick woke up from his slumber wtf

[covert chasm]

no we're pretty specific in the tos to be honest

[jovial kestrel]

There are always many, many eyes from the shadows.

[tranquil socket]

lets try someone else : Fusl !

[modern sand]

it's almost as if i'm part of the qa team

[spring vine]

what job would being a idea maker be to in the videogame industry anyway, concept artist?

[covert chasm]

an "idea maker"? probably a designer?

[tranquil socket]

seems so

[rigid crescent]

Still waiting on the System Show 🛌

[sharp rose]

Game design has a lot of moving parts, storyboarding/ideas are a part of that ofc

[vocal shard]

Meh, still need to get on calls a lot to confirm other people's messups with numbers down the line

[orchid hull]

"Concept Engineer"

[tranquil socket]

awe, i can't use my dang emotes .3.

[coarse blaze]

that is a very good emote, bring it into this server or I'll have to yoink it

[sharp rose]

tell them they got the wrong number and hang up

[vocal shard]

I think Jamie is pretty cool

[simple hinge]

@modern sand Q: question and answer or quality assurance? Instructions not clear

[spring vine]

Yeah cause alot of the things I apply for add alot of weird requirements or knowledge so its hard to understand what the job im actually looking for is

[vocal shard]

[tranquil socket]

i had a duck with a flower on its head as a hat .3. (emote)

[vocal shard]

that announcement was very unexpected but im happy too see it

[sharp rose]

Depending where you're applying, a lot of that list is a wishlist, not a requirement list. 😛

[vocal shard]

The best boi

[tepid flume]

@covert chasm dont forget me ;)

[modern sand]

i'm answering your question AND assuring quality

[covert chasm]

as an aside wrt design: when i got hired for vrchat i was asked "what kinda stuff do you think you'd want to do other than support", my answer was "uhhh, community management and design"

community management i picked up on fast, i've got experience with that

design... well, i only had a bit of design experience, but man, i had no idea how complicated and how much experience is required for a designer to be effective. we've got several experienced designers at vrchat and we're absurdly lucky. i'm learning from the best

[sharp rose]

beyond meta

[spring vine]

really? so even if I dont fit the requirements I should try anyway?

[sharp rose]

what's the worst they can say? no? 😛

[spring vine]

lol

[vocal shard]

they could say 'no, lmao'

[pulsar knot]

yeah, you miss 100% of the shots you don't take

[simple hinge]

Tech jobs generally care more about you being able to demonstrate competence backed by a few relevant certs than a degree, fwiw. Degrees only start to matter for government and big ol legacy corporation shit, not for young companies.

[polar rose]

^ not wrong

[pulsar knot]

hell, my current position I applied for like 3 times. keep learning, and take what opportunities arise along the way

[sharp rose]

Even some big orgs care less about degrees than they do competence/experience.

[spring vine]

I just dont know how applying works lol so its very weird, id prefer going places in person and them asking things so I may ask questions as well

[exotic rain]

don’t forget having competent projects

[simple hinge]

If they have mainframes in the back, they probably want you to have a degree. ||If you hate yourself, they'll pay you to go get trained in mainframe stuff and then pay you big bucks to stay||

[covert chasm]

degrees are somewhat useful, but not always for the reason you think

[sharp rose]

^

[pulsar knot]

this is true. i do software dev and we have a fairly even mix of college guys, code camp guys, and just plain ol enthusiasts

[covert chasm]

ex: i have a physics degree, it mattered a lil bit when i got hired here, but definitely not the reasons you'd think

[coarse blaze]

I was told a lot by parents that degrees are more just proof that you're educated

[jovial kestrel]

It usually helps to have a crumb of experience though. And getting that experience is in itself a paradox.

[simple hinge]

Degrees show you can handle nonsense from above all day long :^)

[spring vine]

I live in vegas so alot of things other states dont have is actually required

[jovial kestrel]

Lots of companies don't take hiring risks.

[tranquil socket]

some says degrees, but most of the time in France they talk about e x p e r i e n c e, EVEN WHEN THEY SAYS : NEWCOMERS ARE WELCOME

[sharp rose]

it can be, yea. part of the weird journey ngl

[covert chasm]

they're proof that you're capable of learning and working in varying conditions to achieve a greater goal, both solo and with a group of cohorts

[rigid crescent]

i want tupper's job

[polar rose]

i have a comp sci degree, but i picked up almost zero technical competence from it. the skills i did gain were time management, presentation, reporting, people skills etc.

[sick barn]

I found that a college degree kind of shows that you know how to learn, even if you don't have the perfect set of skills

[pulsar knot]

yeah, degrees also show that you can handle the grind over the longterm in pursuit of a goal

[covert chasm]

Are you sure about that

[tranquil socket]

like, you say you want newcomer to recruit but still ask a 2year exp in that domain?

[rigid crescent]

i guess its not like 2019 any more tho, you dont get streamers sucking up to you as much so nvm youre probably right

[coarse blaze]

I mean, I gotta admit, besides the hate you get here, your job does seem like fun

[spring vine]

In vegas you NEED a food handling card to get ANY fast food job, even mcdonalds

[covert chasm]

oh the hate doesn't bother me aside from making me worry something's wrong

[sharp rose]

you dont see us arguing about snacks offline

[rigid crescent]

im only in it for the clout

[simple hinge]

@tranquil socket maybe you wrote mods for a popular unity game for two years before applying. Doesn't have to be professional experience.

[spring vine]

meanwhile in other places they never heard of it

[covert chasm]

Its the internet, someone's going to dislike you for telephone-game'd reasons completely beyond your control

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[pulsar knot]

man I couldn't handle it at all, lol. stick me in a corner and let me be a codemonkey anyday

[sharp rose]

Yknow what, I respect your honesty. XD

[coarse blaze]

I wish my co-workers would have daily interaction like that, we're on a lockdown for 4 months now and we haven't talked since we started working solo instead of in groups of two

[tranquil socket]

in france, it does with that, and don't worry i had my fair share of it XD

[sharp rose]

:/

[rigid crescent]

It used to mean something being VRC staff, the big streamers would be all over your 🍆

[coarse blaze]

but then again, my co-workers are uhh, two 60 y.o.s and I'm just a random 21 y.o. with another 19 y.o. normie

[tranquil socket]

i'm like, building pc's since my 10y.o, fixing issues etc

[rigid crescent]

now its just a job, whack

[spring vine]

I have a question, how do you guys feel about the mmd community?

[coarse blaze]

and my higher ups never interact with us outside of work despite having fun conversations at their office

[pulsar knot]

always has been

[sharp rose]

I used to build valves for oil rigs. Totally related work experience. >_>

[rigid crescent]

oh shit he worked for valve

[spring vine]

Im more a part of the new mmd community personally and old ones kinds annoy me with how mad they get over their len edit lol

[tranquil socket]

oh dang, i meant half life 3

[simple hinge]

HL3 when @sharp rose

[tranquil socket]

n o w

[sharp rose]

iunno, ask gaben

[vocal shard]

Is Vrchat turning off everyone’s microphones? Did every available option to fix it, oculus quest mic only stops working in vrchat.

[rigid crescent]

I do kinda want to see the alternate future where no one realized you can put an MMD into VRChat

[vocal shard]

yo I'm just curious, why is #vrchat so worried about mods on the game

[simple hinge]

Imagine vrchat without anime

[spring vine]

security mainly

[vocal shard]

like what is this back and forth war with mods

[coarse blaze]

well yeah, but the whole interacting with people, creating events etc. just seems like a fun process, but then again, a fun job is basically an opinion because for me it's fun interacting with people every day, but others want as little interaction as possible

[tranquil socket]

oh btw, totally unrelated to VRC but headset talking, who's seen the Decagear headset?

[vocal shard]

@tranquil socket decagear is fake

[polar rose]

because they've historically been used to do super malicious stuff, among many other reasons

[lapis gulch]

@covert chasm thanks for letting me back tup tup ❤️

[coarse blaze]

I mean I work customer support atm beacuse I like helping people

[simple hinge]

Deca is vaporware until proven otherwise

[spring vine]

sadly so have avatars ingame

[vocal shard]

@polar rose have they though? I haven't heard of a single security being compromised in vrchat

[sharp rose]

uh oh, lime is back >:U

jk ily

[tranquil socket]

dude i won't believe that from you or any other person :,D

[lapis gulch]

😄

[ashen wadi]

Anyone here ever play ffxi, it reminds me of windower

[rigid crescent]

I mean I haven't either but im sure it happens lol people have been downloading sketchyshit since there's been sketchy shit to download

[vocal shard]

@tranquil socket why do you ask a question then get mad when someone tells you something

[rancid nova]

i dont understand the most recent announcement...why would you tell the userbase theyre allowed to hack now and that people arent getting banned for client usage, i rather liked not getting ddosed...so much for that shit

[polar rose]

well, it has happened a decent handful of times, but not very recently, so if you are new, that would be why. hence my "historically"

[vocal shard]

wdym DDoS people can't get your IP in any way through VRChat

[sharp rose]

Not at all what the announcement said, and our stance on malicious mods (and, largely, mods in general) hasn't changed. Not sure where you got that from.

[vocal shard]

@polar rose Idk feels like VRchat should be more concerned with the 10 year olds screaming ''cock'' in lobbies

[tranquil socket]

did i said that i was mad? no, did i asked what do you think of it? no, i asked who's seen it

[vocal shard]

@tranquil socket How do you ''see'' something that doesn't exist

[rancid nova]

"To put it a bit more naturally: we're looking the other way right now because we want to talk to the people running these communities and writing these modifications."

[polar rose]

eh, i'd say equally concerned. they all need to go lol.

[simple hinge]

@rancid nova It doesn't say that so much as going back to the old status quo of "we look the other way if the mod isn't malicious"

[vocal shard]

they literally put out an announcement saying ''yea we can't meet our deadline we underestimated this by a long shot''

[rigid crescent]

So you're saying there's no security issues related to modding at all just because you haven't seen it?

[spring vine]

hey sach and Tupper is there any updates on how children are handled in the game and getting a system so they run into nsfw content less and as much as possible?

[polar rose]

i'd rather have kids screaming profanities than being literally DDoSed off the game.

[sharp rose]

basically this, more or less, yes.

[rancid nova]

i think its a long shot to say that they can determine the exact nature of a mod, rather that the client has simply been modified

[vocal shard]

@rigid crescent what I'm saying is there hasn't been a single report of it through VRchat and if there was they'd use that as leverage to why they don't allow it

[sharp rose]

Complicated question, complicated answer. We'll probably say when there's something more substantial to offer there, but it is being looked into, a lot.

[rigid crescent]

@vocal shard That's wrong and you're wrong.

[rancid nova]

you'd have to decompile and manually look at what it does

[coarse blaze]

I'd say it's easier to put it this way, they won't hunt people who make good mods because they contribute to the community but they will hunt bad mods because they ruin the community 🤔

[vocal shard]

show me

[rigid crescent]

#announcements message

[spring vine]

literally the other day I ran into a child with a naked anime girl avatar and it was the most awkward thing to be around

[rigid crescent]

Again, jsut because you don't see it doesnt mean it isnt happening

[vocal shard]

wait that literally has nothing to do with Emm with whom VRchat is at war with tho

[sharp rose]

oof. reported it, i hope

[rancid nova]

so basically malicious and non malicious clients are open season because you can't know which is which, just that the game's been modified. i haven't seen malicious client usage at all every since the vrc team started cracking down on clients. they just told the world that you won't get banned for it.

should be a lot of fun dealing with eboys thinking theyre thugs in front of a mirror again

[rigid crescent]

That wasn't the topic. You said there's no connection to modded clients and account loss.

[meager solstice]

True

[vocal shard]

bro LMAO

[polar rose]

the last time i saw malicious client behaviour was about 40 hours ago

[jovial kestrel]

Don't name clients please.

[coarse blaze]

aaand people have started twisting tupper's wording their own way

[polar rose]

definitely still a very big and real problem

[rigid crescent]

"Why is VRChat so worried about mods." and then you get told why and bring up someone that wasn't even the topic of the convo bruh? come on

[lethal totem]

i think there should be an in game reporting option for underage ppl on vrchat to make it easier to report

[vocal shard]

bro nobody cares about your 3rd page google result mods

[jovial kestrel]

Yeah but how do you prove that?

[rancid nova]

i was gettin ddosed and crashed multiple times a night, obviously i was exaggerating before, but its very rare to see that shit now

[sharp rose]

Aware of that pain point, working on it. There should be, youre right about that.

[rigid crescent]

You asked a question and got an answer and now you're upset you made a mistake. I get it, it happens to the best of us man.

[vocal shard]

I'm talking about emms and honestly if anyone lost their account through hers then it would have exploded in the chats

[rancid nova]

if you went to a black cat there would be several people with malicious clients

[polar rose]

oh - yeah, no more ddosing and very little crashing these days yeah.

[spring vine]

the thing is not every client user is bad and talking to them is better as it will resolve things way better, anyone who isnt the big known ones or known to be malicious will prolly end up banned

[lethal totem]

i met a 12 year old with some really weird avatars. i wanted to report them, and i did report them for sexual content but i noticed there wasn't any option to write in text to say they were also 12 years old

[sharp rose]

in-client report ya mean?

[lethal totem]

yea

[rancid nova]

thats fine, talk to the devs of the clients without announcing to the world that you won't be banned for the foreseeable future. the community is unbelievably immature and have been abusing the game forever. it had slowed down significantly recently and now we're gonna go back to 2019/early 2020 levels of bullshit.

[vocal shard]

like literally VRchat is more worried about ''hair colliders'' and not 10 year olds screaming cock in lobbies

[distant rampart]

I saw a child who was def under 13 and she had a NSFW avatar and a 20+ year old guy was chasing her and doing weird stuff.

[sharp rose]

k yea - for those, can also take some quick caps and submit a mod ticket, should go better that way tbh

[lament siren]

you guys should report stuff like that

[vocal shard]

@distant rampart yea and that stuff should be looked into ASAP

[rigid crescent]

"looked into" how

[vocal shard]

stop worrying about mods right now, worry about banning underage users with NSFW material

[lethal totem]

will definitely do in the future, just didnt know at the time and wish i did so i couldve reported them

[vocal shard]

I imagine it's a lot harder to moderate "kids" in game without some sort of hard evidence, than clients

[polar rose]

do you mean the vrchat community?

[coarse blaze]

most people who use mods don't even voice their opinions because they don't care about what's going on, heck a year old friend I didn't even know had a few mods for QoL until he sent a video of them solving an inside drama and I noticed his UI looking different

[vocal shard]

yeah adding a report fuction for age should be a thing. those public worlds are swarming with them

[sharp rose]

It's possible to worry about multiple things at once.

[pallid drum]

The mods are more important to me right now.

[vocal shard]

No I don't mean the vrchat community because most of the adults I've met are extremely chill, yet the underage kids with Quest 2s running around

[distant rampart]

I'd def hope it wouldn't be by voice, I sound young and people have mistaken me for 12 even tho I'm older ;-;

[spring vine]

I dont think so, I dont you might be misinterpreting what was said and are assuming the worse, im sure the team wont just let people fly around willingly

[vocal shard]

[lament siren]

just let me pay like 5 bucks for 18+ lobbies

[rigid crescent]

He reminds me of the type that think the same team making LoL skins is also making mechanical changes to the game "Why are they making skins! buff my champ!"

[vocal shard]

this dude jumped to league

[rancid nova]

ya but those will have to be manual bans because you can't discern what a client does unless you decompile it and manually review the code

[coarse blaze]

tfw I once got an admin on a CS 1.6 server when I was 14 because the owner said I sounded 18 kekw

[pallid drum]

Genuinely good that the action for mod creators was reverted.

[simple hinge]

Enforcing age is hard to do without demanding ID to prove you're not underage.

[polar rose]

i dont think the devs have said a single time that they care about hair colliders, even less so that they care about them more than the invasion of children lol

[lapis gulch]

i look 15 sound 12 if im in VR cos vive mic gives me baby voice but im almost 30 lolol

[spring vine]

they could also not be aware, most people I know in vrchat arent even in this server

[sleek stratus]

Yeah, more detailed and specific ways to report and report avatar history because they could change out of an avatar by the time you finish reporting it

[lament siren]

let me give my credit card numbers to vrchat

[vocal shard]

@rigid crescent is the type of dude to justify buffing Renekton in lane

[solar oar]

i accidentally picked the ugly best friend😄pain

[distant rampart]

My voice is really high pitched, and doesn't sound that old apparently, so people think I'm either a child, and sometimes people comment on how monotone I can get and think I'm a text to speech ;-;

[rigid crescent]

just sayin, t hey can buff renekton AND give him a new skin. it isnt a one or the other thing

[vocal shard]

i get that everyone says i sound 20, im 35

[lethal totem]

im 18 and i sound like i could be 14 lol

[sharp rose]

im 40 and sound...well, 40 😦

boomer

[wet jackal]

yes

[simple hinge]

35 year old Kidd. False advertising!

[distant rampart]

I play with that fact, if I sound like a text to speech I like to mess with people with it LMAO

[vocal shard]

40 aint boomer

[solar oar]

i’m 13 everyone says i sound 15 in vrchat

[carmine cape]

its a case of you either sound 12 or 20 when in vrchat :p

[vocal shard]

@lethal totem mob the argument is people who run around NSFW content/material, not people like you

[sharp rose]

might as well be to kids 🤣

[simple hinge]

@sharp rose I'm buying a grill soon. Charcoal or propane?

[jolly ether]

Ha! Old!

[coarse blaze]

believable, I have met a big share of people in vrc and it's believable, it's honestly really easy to tell who's a kid and who's not just by their maturity most of the times, although I had a friend who was 12 at the time my friends introduced her to the group and she sounded 17 and was very mature for some reason

[lethal totem]

wasnt responding to anything like that was just saying

[lapis gulch]

i get called a boomer i feel this personally lol

[distant rampart]

My partner sounds like siri too, so when we talk its like two chatbots talking @coarse blaze

[vocal shard]

yea but you sounding young won't ban you

[sharp saddle]

You have a distinct accent.

[sharp rose]

oh dont ask me that. i start fires, not foods

[sharp rose]

oof xD

[lethal totem]

i know

[vocal shard]

seriously though thats true, to them 25 is boomer

[wet jackal]

When do I hit boomer age? Turned 25 today

[distant rampart]

Artemus can confirm my voice lmao xd

[solar oar]

my dad is 37 bro

[simple hinge]

Embrace the boomering. I sip monster zero ultra on my ride on mower.

[sharp rose]

ha, old

[sharp saddle]

Pretty much!

[coarse blaze]

there will eventually be a method to stop children from playing the game without growing up... the first method is to stop quest support :^)

[vocal shard]

you know what f'd VRchat up, Christmas when all the 12 year olds got a Quest 2

[wet jackal]

aDmIn AbOoOsE

[jolly ether]

XD

[simple hinge]

Eternal September started with Quest 2.

[vocal shard]

@coarse blaze yo I just said that LOL

[sharp rose]

dammit, atiash is gonna ban meh again

[jovial kestrel]

I think you'd only sound like a boomer if you said boomer things.

[marble totem]

It'd be nice if VRC had a basic age check

[jovial kestrel]

You're on THIN ICE buddy

[sharp rose]

yea true

[jolly ether]

"again"

[coarse blaze]

jokes on you I said that yesterday as well

[vocal shard]

I said that a week ago

[wet jackal]

What defines "boomer things" then?

[rigid crescent]

math

[coarse blaze]

pain

[wet jackal]

happy im terrible in math then

[coarse blaze]

is he skating on it tho?

[vocal shard]

let me put my dentures in

The VRC group I'm in, majority of them complain about the underage users being hella annoying / cussing non stop, never the mods

[lapis gulch]

youre a boomer when you dont need to get drunk to be dizzy you just need to stand up without giving your body a notice period

[wet jackal]

aight true true, u got me there

[wet jackal]

that hit me on so many levels

[rancid nova]

"We have reversed the moderations," does that mean client users that were banned are now unbanned?

[vocal shard]

I have never said ''I want to get off because the mods are impacting me'' but I've said ''I want to get off these kids are hella annoying''

[coarse blaze]

personally part of the reasons I haven't launched vrchat in a long while is because publics are unplayable and they're unplayable because most of the people I ran into were children

and I absolutely hate talking to children when I'm looking for actual people to talk to and not someone being a child

[vocal shard]

@coarse blaze I've literally been saying that for months now, publics are filled with 13 year old quest users

[rigid crescent]

Do you not have friends to hang out with

[polar rose]

publics are playable...you just have to have extreme patience right now

[coarse blaze]

not anymore, I broke up with them because of my mental health deterioration

[lethal totem]

bro i get that and lose my vision for a second and im only 18

[polar rose]

its like rolling two d20s for a decent lobby right now

[coarse blaze]

if you join a pubilc and see 3 peppers standing in a circle, run

[simple hinge]

@rancid nova it means makers of non-malicious mods got unbanned. Nothing else.

[lapis gulch]

sorry bro youre a boomer now

[lethal totem]

damn

[rigid crescent]

just make more in F+, they're usually vetted anyway

[vocal shard]

those little kids don't make VRC any money, all the VRC supporters are older

[wet jackal]

Personally, I cant remember last time I was in a public world, tho I remember it being full of kids running around with the nutter version of the butter avatar, screaming incoherent sounds and cussing, Damn that day was a blessing.

Nowadays I just world hop with friends

[carmine cape]

i spend a lot of time in public. its alright if you are willing to spend the time looking for a lobby you can vibe in, but yeah it is getting harder to avoid people on the younger side.

[coarse blaze]

I mean, that's where I spent 75% of my VRC hours

[rancid nova]

id like to see how they went about seeing what classifies as non malicious.

[vocal shard]

The messed up part is there is a huge adult base, they just don't know which world to go to so they end up logging off. If you go to drink night you'll find them everyday.

[coarse blaze]

hence why I don't play anymore because I have no friends to play with :D, I made friends when publics were playable in 2018, but now they aren't anymore

[sharp rose]

imagine having friends 😭

[rigid crescent]

"they end up logging off" lol no they're hanging out with friends in F+ and higher rooms, tf are you on about

[wet jackal]

Got a new word for you

[lapis gulch]

youll always have me ❤️

[sharp rose]

dawww ❤️

[simple wyvern]

Fuckin imagine

[coarse blaze]

I legit miss going to penthouse at night and just sit on the sofa in the balcony until someone random walks up and sparks a conversation

[vocal shard]

You literally just had people say they log off because the public room and you're arguing with me that they dont

[polar rose]

i never left publics man. they're still playable. just need a lot more patience and need to be trigger happy with the blocking. can still get some 10/10 public lobbies with zero kids. heck, we had one going last night.

[jovial kestrel]

Don't get too carried away now. You're only allowed 2 minutes of imagining a day.

[sharp rose]

ah dangit

[rigid crescent]

A few sure? Not the majority at all. youre exceptions not the rule

[vocal shard]

bro Dswopey literally just said he doesn't play because how many kids are on

[coarse blaze]

I don't want that tho, I'm quite triggerhappy with blocking, but it's jsut nto fun when every single person you run into is either a troll or a child

[rigid crescent]

So that's one. One person.

[vocal shard]

And there are many people LIKE him, me for example

The boys ruined vrchT

[rigid crescent]

So that's two. I know absolutely no one like that at all in comparison lol

Again, yall are an exception definitely not the constant.

[polar rose]

vrchat is all about rolling good RNG until you find decent people in a public world. then never going to a public world again and hanging out in F+ with those people. thats what most ppl do.

[vocal shard]

you are so insanely weird

[sharp rose]

i should get food

[polar rose]

i enjoy publics still tho.

[sharp rose]

but...bants 😦

[coarse blaze]

well, my friends as well disliked going to publics alone, it's just a matter of what kind of people are around you

[simple wyvern]

Yeah I don't sign in during daytime for that reason

[vocal shard]

@sharp rose ?

Dswopey don't tell him that, he'll count your friends, me and your opinion as only 5

[rigid crescent]

Do you really think youre anywhere in the majority on that? Like actually?

[coarse blaze]

I've never been crashed since 2018 (was crashed by a friend to show of), I've never had actual issues with the game and yet everyone's saying they get crashed left and right and game is badly optimized etc. etc.

[vocal shard]

Yea I actually do think a majority of adults share the same opinion that public worlds are fucked and sometimes log off beacuse of that

i spend entire nights in a single public cause the constant flow of new faces and prefer publics

[rigid crescent]

Most active users spend their time in F+ or higher rooms, why do you think there's all these "wah everyones in privates" posts

[coarse blaze]

I was part of the hanging in F+ as well

that's how I met most people, in fact, that's how I talked to Mimi and Euan as well, by hopping into a friend's F+

[rigid crescent]

oh i think i met mimi the same way, F+ pug

[vocal shard]

I also don't go to public worlds. My friends also don't. Last time I went public a group of kids were saying all sorts of nasty things to a girl. Used to join friends in game worlds that were public but they kept getting hit by crashers.

[coarse blaze]

I can say one thing tho, Japanese F+ are fucking boring XD

[vocal shard]

I'm literally in a huge VRC discord group full of 21+ people that don't log in because of how many kids bother them. We have to plan our days and that's when we enjoy it.

[rigid crescent]

Nah, just disable animations for anyone who isn't friends. problem solved

[coarse blaze]

at least the japanese people I have joined in F+ literally have just been 15 people being afk/asleep in the room

[vocal shard]

''no bro you 50 people are only 50 people that's not a majority''

wait for it

[rigid crescent]

yeah ive noticed when I join on JP friends it's a lot of AFKs

[carmine cape]

pretty much what i do. works well

[vocal shard]

tmw you spend thousands on full body VR to stand infront of a mirror in The Box with ur friends.

[flint whale]

I also find tons of kids and feel weird about it. I'm kinda new to this whole thing so I don't really know the places to go yet I guess

[rigid crescent]

How would they? No one is putting in their real age lol

[vale pecan]

THere are other ways to crash as well. One which can't be fixed by safety settings at all is Final IK scripts.

[vocal shard]

congrats, there's another person disagreeing with you @rigid crescent

[coarse blaze]

the JP community is partly why I could sitll play publics, because old shukai jou was actually bearable and nice to hang in, but me being inexperienced with Japanese and drifting away from the friend involved with the community I kinda just stopped hanging out there

[empty sierra]

anybody got a roald avatar?

[coarse blaze]

the new shukai jou is infested with the trolls and kids as well sadly and JP tutorial world is just a mirrorjerk

[vocal shard]

@flint whale you need to do what I did, make a discord and invite any people that are cool to talk to. After few weeks it really adds up and you get nice discord vrchat parties

[lament siren]

go to only pc compatible worlds

[vocal shard]

how about when you hit the age of having to chose your birth year you feels like youre spinning the wheel on wheel of fortune

[simple wyvern]

I'm newish as well but it don't matter where you go. All adult themed worlds still are flooded with kids

[rigid crescent]

shukaijou was fun. you can always just hit up th eJP event calendar and find stuff there

[flint whale]

I did figure that one out, lol

[empty sierra]

who knows a animal crossing roald avatar

[vocal shard]

@simple wyvern Go to drink night, you'll find more adults there

[coarse blaze]

I need to do that with @sharp saddle, maybe Fpaul and a few others 🤔

[lament siren]

pc compatible worlds later at night is much better

[simple wyvern]

Add me if you make one

[rigid crescent]

It's sad that we don't have a similarly curated and active event calendar like the JP community has, makes the EN "community" look so boring when its nothing but drink, dance, and world hop

[lament siren]

that's the best night tho haha

[rigid crescent]

eh its fun but there's so much more that could be done

[sharp saddle]

Oh?

[vocal shard]

@coarse blaze If you want, I can invite you to mine. The people are insanely chill and we vrc once or twice a week. It's a nice group.

[rancid nova]

so with clients being allowed again what is the point of vrc+?

[simple wyvern]

DMs would help with this as well

[coarse blaze]

JP culture has always been about communities which is what's so nice about them, but at the same time if you don't have anyone that can help you interacting with them, it's kinda hard, especially when most of them don't speak English and they just "nihongo jouzu" you

[rigid crescent]

LOL the nihongo jouzu

[marsh summit]

I do that up to user lever as the group I'm with gets targeted quite a lot. But that normally does me fine. Until the dum dum Ooga booga clients come in with some sort of world exploit.

[coarse blaze]

I legit had so many of them nihongo jouzu me just cause I learned hiragana and katakana

[vocal shard]

@rancid nova People will still use VRC+ for many reasons,

1. you're supporting a game you love (many people have this as the only reason and it's good enough)
2. you get an icon (a lot of people love having their selfie especially if they are active on VR)
3. Extra avatar space without need for mods

[coarse blaze]

I mean, we do interact here a lot, innit?

[jovial kestrel]

Modified clients are not allowed. Please read the announcement as written.

[rigid crescent]

i mostly just go the music events and some of the crowd and performers recognize me, one of the singers i really like speaks a bit of english so its kinda nice

[hazy gyro]

lol most people are gonna use the "i have a modded client so that i can save more avatars" but they're also the same people that have vrc+ and crash people constantly

[sharp saddle]

I thuppothe.

[rancid nova]

i read the comment atiash they said for now theyre looking the other way

[simple hinge]

Modified clients are not allowed wink wink nudge nudge

[sharp saddle]

Oh shit, it's back to 15 seconds.

[vocal shard]

@hazy gyro I buy VRC+ just for the selfie icon

[hazy gyro]

they arent allowed but they arent going to do anything about it rn

[jovial kestrel]

We would like to reiterate that this is not a statement that VRChat is permitting modification of the client. Doing so is still a violation of the Terms of Service and may result in moderation on the VRChat platform.

[rigid crescent]

they've almost always "looked the other way" on this stuff, the only really come up every few months to ban a few groups of people

[jovial kestrel]

You may still receive punishment, that is all.

[rancid nova]

oh shit hold on let me quote one part of a statement too

[vocal shard]

We need a better reporting system

[simple hinge]

Punish me, ati

[coarse blaze]

I don't like going to events alone personally, bad IRL experience from school :D

[marsh summit]

They are only looking the other way in terms of development of mods rn, not the use of.

[hazy gyro]

yeah i just used vrc+ as an example. "i use a modded client to save avatars" meanwhile they can already save 100 avatars. They're just gonna use it as a scapegoat so they dont get in trouble

[rancid nova]

"To put it a bit more naturally: we're looking the other way right now because we want to talk to the people running these communities and writing these modifications."

[rigid crescent]

just go alone so many times people recognize you and are like "lol wow its 9AM did you stay up all night to come to the concert?"

[marsh summit]

This

[jovial kestrel]

Exactly this.

[bitter stream]

secondlife already figured all of this out, the daily server issues, 3rd party clients, all this. This is just vrchat literally going through the exact same motions and growing pains SL did and nobody learned from anybody

[simple hinge]

Don't ask don't tell? Lol

[vocal shard]

Just get rid of the quest 2 users, (leave the quest 1 people) :^}

[rancid nova]

do you know that for sure or are you just interpreting it that way

[vocal shard]

oh no im not in the military again am i

[rancid nova]

they never said specifically what theyre looking the other way to, but imo it was implied that it was client usage in general

[distant rampart]

Yeah people don't get while things are changing slightly that modding is still not allowed lmao.

[coarse blaze]

oh a lot of them were so surprised that it's 7am for me and are like "NERU YO" and I'm like "daijoubu"

[jovial kestrel]

That's why I quoted the part that cannot be mis-interpreted.

[simple wyvern]

why does everyone say this

[rancid nova]

so then vrcs vague ass statement is going to get a lot of people banned if that's the case, either way shit is fucked

[hazy gyro]

"We have reversed the moderations, and those who have taken down content in response to a moderation request have been told that they may put their content back up."

[vocal shard]

@simple wyvern because VRC was flooded with kids when Christmas came and all the parents bought their preteens a Quest 2

[bitter stream]

what wouldnt be a violation of TOS is if you installed sanctioned 3rd party utilities that was digitally signed to work for vr chat like the third party viewers secondlife had and how they did it in the end

[rigid crescent]

"vague statement" doesnt trump TOS/Community gudielines lol

[simple wyvern]

ahhhhhh

[rancid nova]

if theyre allowed to put their content back up publicly, does that not imply that the usage of those would not be a big deal as well?

[hazy gyro]

bruh what was the point of going through the trouble then? if theyre just gonna reverse it all?

[twilit barn]

but there are still some people that haven't been offered that. xaiver and requi haven't been offered that i know for sure

[simple wyvern]

public outrage can change alot

[coarse blaze]

I'm more confused by the part tho like... why would they recognize you just from coming 🤔

[bitter stream]

at the moment, dont use mods, but wait for mod makers and vrchat to figure something out in a more official capacity I think is the gist of the statement

[vocal shard]

Mari it's because they lose players when they go to war with mods

[hazy gyro]

yea but if they're just gonna unban all the client users then what was the point?? thats what i dont understand

[jovial kestrel]

They're saying they overstepped and are no longer demanding that stuff be taking down. They're not advocating use.

[hazy gyro]

makes no sense dude

[rigid crescent]

Because I mostly go to music events and outside of the really really big ones, it's usually the same few people

[frail delta]

I'm really glad to see that VRChat is walking back the moderation actions they took in regards to modded clients. I understand the need for adherence to certain policies, but considering that many of the modifications are for making the game better, I'm glad to see they aren't being punished for creating them anymore. I really do look forward to what can come through working with the creators of these modifications.

[vocal shard]

You know how many people play VRC and spend 80% of their time using mods such as colliders, if you get rid of petting people then you lose those guys

[coarse blaze]

so the smaller events actually have a little amount of ppl?

[simple wyvern]

i dont disagree but i think its a positive thing that they are willing to make it right on mistakes theyve made

[rigid crescent]

"omg WoW gave us more action bars they stole that from modders!" lol

[jovial kestrel]

Not being caught is not the same thing as not being against the rules.

[bitter stream]

yeah, they are in a sticky place because of poor enforcement up to this point that at the very least 8 out of 10 people, sometimes 1/10 at lowest use a mod in some way

[vocal shard]

Hmmmmmmm.

[hazy gyro]

maybe if the vrc devs listened to the suggestions of people and didnt take over a year to implement stuff into the game then clients wouldnt be that big of an issue. But it took them over a year to even add the volume slider so its hard to trust them lmao

[tepid flume]

Me too

[frail delta]

I'm a VRC+ supporter because considering how much time I spend in VRC these days, the least I could do is pay rent.

[coarse blaze]

why would WoW need mroe action bars anyways when they're removing buttons every expansion pepelaugh

[rigid crescent]

I mean the ones I've gone to have, it's usually the same few dozen people depending on the event since it's mainly concerts

[vocal shard]

@hazy gyro I 100% agree with you

[marsh summit]

Yes, the developers. Mods are still lil ToS breakers and may result in bans. However for now, the creation of, won't.

[bitter stream]

i play strictly vanilla and never installed a mod, but i do envy those people that can just search up avatars though

[coarse blaze]

are the singers decent at least 🤔

[rigid crescent]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iyJSIusHhSg Check one of the groups out for yourself

[hazy gyro]

i guess thats what they're trying to do now? but like come on guys the damage is already done

[rigid crescent]

i've followed amoka since like their first concerts, a lot of them are like...indie studio level lol im surprised they haven't amde an indie label for all the VRChat musicians and songwriters

[vocal shard]

They're just going to keep bleeding players because they're fighting a war that shouldn't have been there

[hazy gyro]

^

[vocal shard]

Stop going to war with the modders that everyone uses and put the QoL stuff in the game we need

[rigid crescent]

They use Topaz video player so all the audio you hear at the events isn't through microphones, but a vid player so its much higher quality

[vocal shard]

Get rid of all the people screaming ''cock'' in lobby non stop and using avatars that destroy everyones screen

[bitter stream]

i think vrchat would benefit from a steam workshop sort of thing, maybe an integrated thing like you do for avatars. have public verified mods you can install from within the game. Hell do a community labs on them too so people and mods can test them.

[coarse blaze]

damn, actually a good voice

[frail delta]

That's fair, I don't really care much for the features either. I kind of appreciate that they're really keeping them simple though, they could lock more behind a paywall, like the entire invite response system, but instead everyone gets that system and you only get one small extra part of it if you're a supporter.

[rigid crescent]

Yeah, not all of the groups are this level but most are pretty good.

[hazy gyro]

thats what im saying. They made a whole list of suggestions from the community and they have them all labeled as in progress but theyve been in progress for more than a year and a half. Thats why clients are getting out of hand at this point. People dont want to wait for this shit to get added to the game

[coarse blaze]

although it does feel pretty weird seeing the guitar imitation lmao

[rigid crescent]

Never been "starstruck" til I got to meet the singer lol

[vocal shard]

yea so they feel overwhelmed when in reality those mods are helping us

[rigid crescent]

Yeah I've seen a few people actually just play with the controllers strapped to their hands lol

[lofty radish]

Anyone wanna play vr chat?- I’m lonely-

[vocal shard]

there was this girl that was 12 years old going around being hella, super sexual and I had no way of actually reporting her

[rigid crescent]

That's literally every game, it's because the modder ONLY has to worry about one very very specific issue

[bitter stream]

sort of in the same boat in a way but not quite with beat saber, i absolutely HAVE to use mods in beat saber because of all the features and content it adds

[hazy gyro]

i dont entirely blame them for using modded games but at the same time there are people making really shitty clients to ddos and crash people and it was so bad at one point. Now they can just hide behind all the other clients

[marsh summit]

As has been said before, many times, it's because most of the time these mods are not QAed to the same level or are not developed to the same level, for most it's an "aw, it works, that's good enough" / there isn't a business side to them

[simple wyvern]

bruh 15 year olds all day no matter which gender

[vocal shard]

yea I was just saying my example recently was a girl who should've been perma banned, the guys are much worse

[rigid crescent]

Moderation is a much more difficult issue because there's literally tens of thousands of players. Active moderation is near impossible.

[frail delta]

I feel like that might be oversimplifying the issue. Game development isn't as easy. Team could be focused on other things such as backend server stability or serverside features over client-side quality of life improvements.

[rancid lantern]

dang, vrchat actually said something, and admitted that they did a misstep. that must have been really hard for you guys, props for that. I might not cancel plus after all!

[bitter stream]

well, idk vrchat feels like "aw it works, good enough" majority of the time especially when almost every update breaks avatar features

[vocal shard]

I love Mic_sounders argument "Yea it's hard to moderate therefore we can't do it" lmao

[rigid crescent]

Oh, did I say that? I don't recall every saying that.

[sharp rose]

Wasn't hard to say. We're just people yknow, same as anyone. Sometimes mistakes happen, we're not immune to that. 😄

[vocal shard]

I'm so glad you don't run any game because you'd have that shits playerbase -90% the first month

[rigid crescent]

The best form of "moderation" right now is reporting the offender with evidence via the report form on their website.

[jovial kestrel]

You can submit videos, screenshots and output logs to #moderation-reports. That's an actual way of reporting things.

[simple wyvern]

hats off*

[rigid crescent]

Oh look a moderator saying the exact same thing I just did. Maybe think before you open your mouth 🙂

[lapis gulch]

i dont think telling people to record 12 year olds being sexual is a good idea

[marsh summit]

I'd like to see you moderate 25k people with a team of at most probably 10 active constant moderators...

[coarse blaze]

while I admit the song isn't exactly what I'd listen to on a daily basis, it still actually is a pretty good song, I gotta admit I expected something completely different

[limber garnet]

Miss me with Pavlov, Lasertag is the real PVP meta game.

[vocal shard]

First step to that is not have 10 active constant moderators??

[rancid nova]

yeah when i get crashed in a couple days repeatedly because that statement opened the flood gates we'll see where the real misstep is.

[bitter stream]

Hardest thing to submit is when your crashed because if your not streaming you cant tell who or what crashed you half the time and there is no room history

[sharp rose]

For our platform specifically - if someone submits evidence of wrongdoing in VR, that's a bit different.

[rigid crescent]

Having a fully active moderation team seems like something out of the question right now. You've got 30k+ users on at times with possible issues throughout.

[simple wyvern]

ding ding ding

[vocal shard]

There's literally a system that rewards you for being a trustworthy player in VRC, you can have outstanding players transition into player moderators that can review reports

[lapis gulch]

for any platform in any country recording minors involved in sexual content is illegal

[sharp saddle]

There is? News to me!

[rigid crescent]

A few games have done that an all realized it wasn't that great of an idea.

[sharp rose]

I'm acutely aware of laws around minors and online safety, thanks. 😛

[proper thunder]

i still wonder one thing, when will the voice error ever be fixed when around alot of pepole 🤔

[rancid lantern]

you guys rock, and from the bottom of my heart, thanks for making VRChat. This game has made my life so much better in so many ways. I can't thank you enough ❤️
:)

[sharp rose]

❤️

[rancid nova]

sacheverell do people who report someone get informed if that person was banned for doing something against TOS. last time i reported someone i was told that i'd never find out so i never reported anyone since.

[bitter stream]

id have a guy just walk up and hit me with a crasher even though i had safety settings on and they are able to hide their name with fake nametags using mods

[marsh summit]

The trust system although a nice thing to have. It's not accurate at all to what I think is true trust

[rigid crescent]

This is a social game and social dynamics are a lot different, giving the community the power to decide whether or not to ban isn't the best bet.

[vocal shard]

Then we can fix it and upgrade it to fit what we need....

[sharp rose]

Dunno, not on the mod team. But I dont think so, from what I've heard.

[hazy gyro]

https://feedback.vrchat.com/ like whats the point of the feedback site if they just arent going to listen to the feedback

[jovial kestrel]

It says in the mod thing somewhere that moderation actions are not shared. Does not mean they don't work.

[rigid crescent]

The best form of moderation I've seen suggested would still require a ton of manpower

[bitter stream]

i think what vrchat needs is if the client detects a crash when you boot up at least say you feel you were hit with a crasher rather than a bugged crash and maybe get a feel for who is in the room at the time and get a history going. crashers tend to do it more than once

[sharp rose]

@rancid nova will add to that thought a bit, though: having done that sort of thing on other (much, much larger) services with much more stringent compliance requirements, telling one user about another user's account-level actions is some pretty sketchy territory, regarding privacy/legality.

[bitter stream]

yeah no company will tell you if you report resulted in a ban

[marsh summit]

It's also why the police don't do that where I live either.

[vocal shard]

''We don't have manpower'' we kinda do, you can transition outstanding accounts with player moderation and they can apply for it

[sharp rose]

A few do, but I'm surprised they do. It's very dangerous to.

[rigid crescent]

In a social game that's not a great idea, it creates an imbalance of power

[jovial kestrel]

I think they tell you that you helped contribute to a mod action, but not on who.

[bitter stream]

usually sites like facebook will or other things like that

[hazy gyro]

dude if i got a notifications that my reports did something i would 100% report more often than i do

[rigid crescent]

Because by your logic I'd have it, I've got an outstanding account lol.

[coarse blaze]

That’s a risky thing to do sadly, the people you trust the msot tend to blow the fuse the hardest

[sharp rose]

I dont think you realize how prohibitively expensive it would be to have a scalable in-client moderation team big enough to handle that kind of workload in a client like this one. :p

[hazy gyro]

its dumb that they dont let you know if reporting someone does anything. It gives no incentive to actually report

[rancid nova]

i dunno i mean other companies like valve do it with dota and csgo. it's frustrating taking the time, like 20 mintues between uploading the youtube video and filling out the report stuff, and not knowing if it does anything. makes me reluctant to report. i have hundreds of clips of people doing stuff because i've recorded everything in my 3.5k hours of vrc, but after the first report i just didn't see the point.

[marsh summit]

Trouble is, once they are moderating the game. They are technically employees. How do you deal with the legality of paying them and stuff like that?

[vocal shard]

what that's not true, you are not an employee for moderating a game

[sharp rose]

Sometimes yea. Seen a few straight up say they banned X for Y action, but...eeeeh

[rigid crescent]

That's not true at all lol

[frail delta]

I understand the perception you might have. There's also a lot of glaring issues like the voice cutoffs, and the user statuses not being updated properly, but VR is exploding in popularity right now. VRChat is getting more and more users constantly. I've seen so many visitors on quest lately and that's just an anecdote, but look at some of the numbers coming out of oculus. I can't really blame VRC for focusing on smaller bug fixes, SDK improvements and server stability to be honest. It also Wouldn't surprise me if that contributed to them not having a proper perspective on these mods which lead to the actions they took, since they might be more focused on stability.

[lapis gulch]

player moderation is a general volunteer similar to the discord mods

[vocal shard]

It's literally a volunteer position wym employee

[bitter stream]

i think there just needs to be better built in avatar/client crasher detection

[marsh summit]

I agree, worded that wrong

[sharp rose]

I can tell you this much - no report goes ignored, everything is reviewed. Everything.

[vocal shard]

i dont play LoL but i watch my friend play and ive seen him get announcement of a player he reported got banned, doesnt tell him who he reported got banned or anything but does say something along those lines

[sharp rose]

Even worse. No compliance.

[jovial kestrel]

Yeah that's the sort of thing I referred to.

[marsh summit]

I meant at this fact, would you count them as

[rigid crescent]

You'd count them as game moderators. Just because you moderate doesnt make you an employee lol

[simple hinge]

Volunteer mods sounds terrible. Just votekick or have the instance owner kick.

[marsh summit]

Again, worded it wrong

[coarse blaze]

That’s still a lot of power you give someone

[sharp rose]

Not...quite that, no. Bit more complicated. But eh.

[rigid crescent]

Yeah, if this wasnt a social game it wouldn't be as much of an issue but that'd create so many issues within communities.

[simple hinge]

"Adult" hugged to death

[bitter stream]

just frustrating that after your hit with a crasher best you can do is log back in and hop to a friend that is in the same room fast enough to possibly block them and report before they do it again

[vocal shard]

You can't even vote kick for the longest time because that shit was bugged

[jovial kestrel]

[coarse rock]

Hey @sharp rose Let it be known that I appreciate you & other devs for really creating conversation about a topic that other games generally wouldn't even touch.

[coarse blaze]

Notice how we have only like 6 chat mods of which I’ve never seen 2 of them talk, but we’re in a 6digit ppl server

[sharp rose]

Now instead of an expensive, huge team of paid people under contract that need oversight, we have a huge team of unpaid people who would require an equal amount of oversight from said paid people. Self-defeating system here.

[sharp rose]

😄

[coarse blaze]

Because moderation is an EXTREMELY powerful role and is hard to trust someone with

[marsh summit]

This is what I was trying to say.

[sharp rose]

That, and moderation is a lot more than trolls and kids. A lot more.

[vocal shard]

I'm not saying implement my solution but finding ways to combat the problems of ''kids screaming cock every 3 seconds'' and not getting banned is what needs to be done

[sharp rose]

right sorry, too many convos ;_;

[jovial kestrel]

It's better to give certain "player moderators" priority reports instead of power.

[vocal shard]

Literally sitting here and saying ''omg that wont work, nope wont work noe nope'' is not an ideal mindset

[rigid crescent]

Yes it is

[marsh summit]

Nah you're good, I didn't word it well at all

[rigid crescent]

Telling you that your idea doesn't work and why it's bad is a great way to find an idea that DOES work.

[sharp rose]

I'm saying what you're suggesting wont work, because I know it wont work. 😛

[rigid crescent]

Otherwise we just go with the first crappy idea that pops up lol you arent the first or last to suggest that.

[vocal shard]

It's always the people saying ''that'll never work'' that don't have a better solution

[bitter stream]

secondlife for a while had a teen grid, and the adult grid where it kept anyone under 18 on a seperate server and was upgraded to the main grid after age verification through a bank account

[rigid crescent]

I do havea better solution and it's still not a great one because of the "equal oversight" thing

[sharp rose]

Or maybe a better solution is in the works and cant be talked about, because talking about that kind of thing is exactly how people who shouldnt know how things work, learn how things work and circumvent it.

[vocal shard]

I'm sure my solution that I took 10 seconds to think about won't work, my point is there needs to be some thought into this from the VR team and implement it

[tepid flume]

@sharp rose whats your position btw just out of curiosity

[rigid crescent]

There is, you probably just dont know about it because why should you? lol

[sharp rose]

I mop the carpets.

[coarse blaze]

I could imagine smth like CSGO’s overwatch system, but it sounds really hard to pull off

[vocal shard]

...

[lapis gulch]

damage control? :3

[sharp rose]

sure, why not 😄

[vocal shard]

bro mic_sounder please don't ever be a mod for any discord or game, you literally defend shit that shouldn't be defended

[tropic crater]

So majority of the team is unpaid?

[bitter stream]

all im saying is secondlife, another 3d social game, already went through all of this. might need to learn from that. And this was all learned back in 2009 or so

[lapis gulch]

do not envy you that id rather spoon my eyes out than do it

[rigid crescent]

Nah, I'm a lot better informed on this stuff than you. You're just uspet you're wrong, I understand how people like you get.

[sharp rose]

I'm numb to it, been doing this for 10 years. I feel nothing from toxicity now XD

[vocal shard]

you literally said ''people don't log off because the kids'' and then a bunch of people told you they log off because the kids

[tepid flume]

Security by obscurity is never a long term solution ;)

[rigid crescent]

The majority do not, a small fraction of players absolutely.

[sharp rose]

Slight correction: people not implementing or designing the systems not knowing how they work. And that is stardard anywhere with online safety.

[lapis gulch]

i grew up in 2006 COD lobbies toxic just makes me laugh lolol

[marsh summit]

To be more accurate, trust and safety 😋 which is why I kinda laughed when someone tried telling them the rules on online safety and kids.

[bitter stream]

that is the problem that vrchat also faces, is that in order to advance things you need to break things

[vocal shard]

''the majority do not'' lmao ok

[rigid crescent]

If you can't prove yours and I can't prove mine, it's best to just shut up lol

[bitter stream]

secondlife devs went the compatibility route which is why its so archaic

[sharp rose]

eyy, someone read my thingies 😄

[vocal shard]

difference is other people came in and said you were wrong and they do

[tepid flume]

So moderation

[sharp rose]

No, two different and distinct concepts.

🤔

[rigid crescent]

A handful out of the tens of thousands of players, yes.

[vocal shard]

i dont log off bc of a bunch of kids screaming racial obscenities i just block em

[sharp rose]

too late, i muted everyone i saw in this lobby weeee~

[vocal shard]

don't go into game dev you'd run a game down faster than Phasmophobia

[tepid flume]

reports that get redirected to the moderation team?

[rigid crescent]

there's gotta be at least 80k active playerbase and you're using a discord of 50 and a handful of guys here as a sample? Really?

[sharp rose]

not sure what youre saying here

[coarse blaze]

Just fyi I didn’t say insider is wrong

[rigid crescent]

You're not very smart...

[marsh summit]

Moderation deal with things like.. how on topic, clients. Trust and safety is more threats and underage users etc

[sharp rose]

omg that's a hell of a callback lol

but yes

[vocal shard]

This guy thinks only 50 adults in VRC log off because the kids

[coarse blaze]

I just said that our experiences are different hence the different opinions we have

[rigid crescent]

Can you provide different stats? Because I sure can't.

[bitter stream]

or better yet, an avatar block list. be able to pull up a rooms history and block the avatar that you think crashed you and be able to subscribe to a list. if a few people also select it, everyone whos subscribed will have it auto blocked then again....

[sharp rose]

it's a good mic!

[tepid flume]

Ahh so different kind of bans then

[vocal shard]

Okie I'm back. Here to kill the chat

[bitter stream]

modded clients tend to bypass all of that

[exotic ether]

already a thing -u-

[tepid flume]

hides

[vocal shard]

This dude knows one 22 year old in VRC

[rigid crescent]

I do miss when an AvatarID block was a viable solution

[sharp rose]

aww yis, nice setup

[bitter stream]

well to me its not already a thing, i know of the nuscience tag but thats only on avatar blocks, you cant block someone if they crash you first

[vocal shard]

@bitter stream You need to adjust the safety slider too

[rigid crescent]

Again, can you please give some stats or shut up? A sample size of like...Sixty people in agame of over 80k active players is n ot good.

[sharp rose]

i ended up recording a soundbite of how to pronounce my name, because people kept asking and i got tired of explaining it lol

[bitter stream]

safety settings dont matter, ive had avatars shaders and whatnot blocked and they bypassed it

[vocal shard]

@rigid crescent If you really think ''only 50 adults'' are getting annoyed at the children in VRC, you are just effin weird.

[rigid crescent]

We're both running on nothing but anecdotal evidence.

[sharp rose]

more or less yes XD

[rigid crescent]

I can provide just as many people if not more do DON'T have the issue. Which one of our anecdotes is correct?

[vocal shard]

Okay provide them then, lets see

[rigid crescent]

why would I dump my friend's list here

[vocal shard]

Okay so you can't provide them

Sometimes we need to take away all the freedoms from the people because people cannot be trusted to make decisions for themselves. Freedom is dangerous in the hands of an individual because an individual can act on behalf of themself, not on the State.

So you're wrong

[sharp rose]

Eh, more a lack of familiarity with basic compression/EQ range >_>;

it got better

[bitter stream]

i try to play from midnight to 6 am central time, once the kids start getting on it becomes unbearable to be in a public lobby

[rigid crescent]

You really are dumb lol. youre a waste of my time and my time is pretty cheap, bye

[carmine cape]

children don't really annoy me. most of the time they can be pretty chill if you talk to them

[marsh summit]

This is the best way to do it 😋

[vocal shard]

''I can provide them'' ''I can't provide them''

[sharp rose]

i started cutting anything under 100hz, now it sounds normal lol

[coarse blaze]

can I just remind that our experiences are different hence the different opinions

[fallow lotus]

please do share because I have no godly idea how

[rigid crescent]

People don't understand that lol I've already said that both our instances are anecdotal but they think they're right

[tropic crater]

Who woulda thunk the world isn't black and white

[jovial kestrel]

You're going to fall in love with the voice.

[bitter stream]

one quick option vrchat can add is a volume level limiter built in you can turn on. that turns down everyones volume if it goes too loud

[sharp rose]

https://goo.gl/sJtB15

[rigid crescent]

hence theyre a waste of time

[vocal shard]

Dude like 8 people just said they hate kids spamming shit and have a hard time going to public lobbies, and you're saying ''nah its anecdotal''

[lapis gulch]

god voice

[vocal shard]

😍

[bitter stream]

you will get a bunch of quest user squeakers all pile into a room and it becomes a nightmare to do anything

[sharp rose]

😛

[rigid crescent]

Answer this question: Do you think 8 people is a proper sample size for a game of 80k+ players

[vocal shard]

Where'd you get 8, I had 50

[fallow lotus]

love the radio voice

[tepid flume]

simp

[jovial kestrel]

Honestly if dev updates come back, Sach should do them.

[vocal shard]

OMG im dead!

[steady kayak]

saw the announcement about the whole thing., Much better! Thanks guys

[rigid crescent]

You just said 8. Make up your mind

[vocal shard]

it's not like that..

So it's 50+8 we going back to basic math bro

[rigid crescent]

OK, so do you think 58 is a proper sample size for a game of 80k+ active players?

[tepid flume]

🤫 😁

[sharp rose]

nah, that was either the MXL mic or this Shure dynamic, forget which.

[vocal shard]

I thought your time was ''cheap'' and you were done

[sharp rose]

still have the AT though

[rigid crescent]

Easy yes or no question. You avoided it for some reason?

[marsh summit]

Pridicting a bit high there chief ngl. I think it's topped out at like 45k

[fallow lotus]

Sache could I ask you what is your job title with VRChat?

[lapis gulch]

trust and safety

[sharp rose]

Professional Snack-Eater 😄

[tepid flume]

Trust & safety. He does kids

[sharp rose]

lime ruined it

pff

[rigid crescent]

How is it topped out at 45k when we've had 40k people on at the same time? I mean 'active' as in actually play the game

[vocal shard]

@marsh summit he can't even do 50+8, don't expect him to be accurate at the 80k level LMAO

he does what....?

[marsh summit]

And that was what caused the whole CCU limit issue a few months back, can say it's topped at around 45k

[lapis gulch]

i ruin everything thats my role thought you knew 😄

[fallow lotus]

blu no pls

[bitter stream]

honestly id prefer adult verification and be able to make rooms that require it, hell split public lobbies to normal, and adult verified. which would be using a credit card or bank. sure some will still get in but itd reduce it giving the amount of work you ahve to do that kids dont have the patience for

[tepid flume]

underage people

[sharp rose]

oh the MXL is cadioid condenser too lol, mainly its just bigger

because of my giant head bad habit of collecting hardware

[lapis gulch]

no thanks

[vocal shard]

Another person literally agreeing with everyone else here

[sharp rose]

probably yea, theyve got a range of stuff

[marsh summit]

Ah I get what you mean, dw dw my bad

[tepid flume]

He bans quest kiddos for a living 🏕️

[sharp rose]

I can definitely say that's not what I do here, moderation team handles bans and such.

[rigid crescent]

45k is about the big time peak though for sure, but there's always people who actively play and are'nt online.

[steady kayak]

honestly im actually excited vrchat has started a dialog with mod makers

[marsh summit]

Read previous reply

[rigid crescent]

o just saw it

[tepid flume]

So you just get the reports and forward them to the mods?

[sharp rose]

We're excited to talk with them too 😄

[sharp rose]

nope, i dont handle any part of that.

[terse rain]

I am kinda glad that I finally tried out Neos VR because I was getting so sick of the influx of kids post Quest 2. Then seeing this ban shit happening makes me think I'm leaning the right way

[bitter stream]

hmm, vrc+ lobbies would be a quick easy fix. sure that could also work as its partially adult verified since monies involved

[steady kayak]

it could be a GOOD thing.. it might offset some searching of issues

[worthy oracle]

me too. I thank the VRChat team for listening and trying to cooperate. this is very pog

[tepid flume]

What do you do then?

[carmine cape]

i wouldn't use something like that. hate give out more info when its not really needed

[steady kayak]

like just how code bounties are praised across the board.

[marsh summit]

Yeah the whole players thing, EU + US would be around 80k if all were around at the same time

[vocal shard]

It's a secret to everybody

[sharp rose]

99% of it is NDA and 75% of it is boring to anyone who isn't a specialist in my field.

[vocal shard]

[sharp rose]

yis

[rigid crescent]

quick tell us the most borderline NDA thing you can

[steady kayak]

honestly an NDA over code is usually not such a big deal.

[bitter stream]

@carmine cape you should see the info i had to give to get verified to handle cryptocurrency

[sharp rose]

Trust & Safety. Post-Minecraft, that's been my area of expertise. 😄

[steady kayak]

since its only a piece of code.

[bitter stream]

swear to god i nearly had to send in a blood sample

[sharp rose]

i dont think ron would let me mic-spam the team lol

[carmine cape]

i can imagine :p

[rigid crescent]

mr microsoft what happened to mixer please

[jovial kestrel]

There's one way to find out.

[marsh summit]

Oh trust me it is, when the code has to be approved by the Chinese government & Amazon, my god is it.

[sharp rose]

got shut down, everyone read the same reports about it :p

[lapis gulch]

youre hovering over the hammer button aint ya lol

[cosmic trench]

0.0

[rigid crescent]

WAit did you find out the same time streamers did?!

[sharp rose]

[jovial kestrel]

[sharp rose]

XD

[digital mantle]

mixer said “fuck you bye”

[bitter stream]

i had to get face verified, id, social, address, bank account and it had to scan my eyes using a database to verify identity

[sharp rose]

no, that's silly. We found out 3 minutes before they did.

[rigid crescent]

😰

[sharp rose]

not kidding btw lol

[rigid crescent]

"haha youre fired btw empty your office"

[sharp rose]

sorta yea

[carmine cape]

god. way to much for my liking

[bitter stream]

it was binance btw, that and coinbase

[winged ermine]

Wouldn't it be nice if VRChat opened the big menu relevant to your viewangle instead of at an arbitrary location.

[bitter stream]

several forms of 2FA, huge passwords, yubikeys. shits more secure than my bank

[marsh summit]

Sounds like the company I work for

Everyday in the office, or just to get in, is like 10 levels of authentication

[carmine cape]

why do you even need all that for crypto

[vocal shard]

That's something I dislike the most about CVR menus. Wouldn't want that in vrc tbh

[bitter stream]

because you can trade in USD and sell and buy in the multi 1000$'s of dollars

[tepid flume]

so you applied to a position of which you couldn't have any knowledge of...

[steady kayak]

lmao. what

[sharp rose]

I...what even

that made my brain hurt lmao

[steady kayak]

i dont think amazon even evaluates code.

[marsh summit]

They take NDA's and security VERY, and I mean VERY seriously.

[tepid flume]

Yeah lets break our necks instead while scrolling through the friends list while lying down xd

[winged ermine]

You've never used VRChat laying down then, and I pity you for it.

[bitter stream]

vrchat does have some 2FA, using an authenticator app

[marsh summit]

They do when it's in their devices...

[tepid flume]

Then you must be able to explain what one does in such a job

[vocal shard]

Nah, whenever I lay down in vrc FBT... I can't see anything because my body ends up clipping into view. Heh

[steady kayak]

😩 oh damn.. that.. does sound like a fun time.. I thought you means just AWS.. i think they just look at network activity and report on any weird high memory usage.

[sharp rose]

I could, if the aforementioned NDA didn't prevent it. But it does. So

[tepid flume]

Mhmm whos fault that might be ... ;)

[steady kayak]

.. also who can't wait for tundra trackers.. i jumped on that so fast.. i really really hope occlussion wont be an issue with their small size.

[tepid flume]

Your nda says you can't tell others what you knew before you applied?

[lucid sandal]

The hip tracker is the bane of my existence

[vocal shard]

Dunno... My. Avatar is realistic proportions

[marsh summit]

Oh no, I work on code that's in devices like Amazon lockers and well IS in Amazon lockers.

[steady kayak]

yeah same kaptain

[bitter stream]

apparently after being verified i my dailly withdrawl limit on binance us is a million dollars. let it be clear i work pretty low wages and will never make that. but im flattered

[tepid flume]

I was hinting at devs :D

[steady kayak]

code broke.. amazon locker wont open. send help 😢

[sharp rose]

Either I'm reading what youre saying incorrectly, or maybe missing a prior point you made earlier and dont have a good idea of what youre referring to.

[lucid sandal]

goes to roll
Get penetrated
😫

[digital mantle]

Ah

[vocal shard]

wat

[lucid sandal]

only fbt people would understand

[sharp rose]

oh

[marsh summit]

They had our company conform to a whole new ISO certification and get re-evaluated every year and random checked every couple weeks

[sharp rose]

well that's different lol

[bitter stream]

apparently i have to get Fiat verified now.. ugh

[tepid flume]

thanks

[steady kayak]

honestly not surprised with the money involved in the amazon chain.

[sharp rose]

Right so, broadly speaking: Trust & Safety is a wide-reaching thing across any service, but mostly it focuses on user safety (shocking i know), general policy, compliance, things like that. Also handling very unsavory edge cases best left out of polite conversation.

[marsh summit]

Also now I think about it, we are involved with AWS a little bit, but only for IoT

[sharp rose]

@tepid flume yea to be clear I wasnt trying to be difficult, I legit just didnt get the Q lol, mb

ily 😄

[steady kayak]

😩 not involved with amazon or anything but my company recently partnered up wwitha company that makes parts for quantum computers.. its really exciting although the semiconductor shortage is worrying.

[vocal shard]

stop simping for blue

[lucid sandal]

Does VRC still not officially support haptics? I'm tempted to get a vest for my wireless setup

[sharp rose]

no u

[vocal shard]

😭

[tepid flume]

🤫 😋

[cosmic trench]

.0

[split lotus]

I can't wait for quantum computers to come to fruition. Granted they're focused for solving complex cases, they have the potential for virtualization!

[sharp rose]

i can simp who i want, ur not my real dad >:U

[jovial kestrel]

No.

[steady kayak]

probably not in many years

[marsh summit]

Bet that's exciting eh, "you: hey Jeff you got the new wafers. Jeff: huh. Wafers?"

[steady kayak]

but they already found out quantum related parts have huge implications for production of wavers..

[bitter stream]

i almost got the perception neuron when i had the money thanks to 600$ unempoyment bonuses last year but vrchat dont support that either

[sharp rose]

I'm gonna vaguely say you're kinda right and kinda not and kinda grey-area. 😛

its complicated

VRC is a very unique environment

[lucid sandal]

I want to have my heart stopped from a ugandan knuckles crasher by activating a clap that turns on all the sensors at once

[steady kayak]

the company I partnered with can improve wavers even further.. the company produce silicon that do not need electricity either.. they are powered by imputting light and using quantum wells convert that light for various medical or semiconductor production apllications.

these are also called OPS chips

[bitter stream]

the cheap perception neuron is 1500$, its like having 36 nintendo joycons on you that also able to track 3d space

[sharp rose]

as tupper has often said, "we wear many hats" 🤣

[lucid sandal]

Imagine getting your brain fried by a ugandan knuckles

[steady kayak]

i have the neuron.. the first ones were pretty terrible.. they have gotten better butg personally.. IMU only tracking is NOT good for long time usage.

[tepid flume]

i bet it is 😂

[marsh summit]

We out here talking another language in vrc-general 🤣 we should probably stop lmao

[sharp rose]

obviously i still like doing the whole community engagement thing, cant seem to stop doing that no matter where i go >:/

[lucid sandal]

The future of clapping is here

[bitter stream]

its like vive trackers, but 36 instead of 3 easy way to put it. yeah it was ony a few hours battery life too and im in vrchat for like 6 hours

[sharp rose]

but really for that, i follow tupper's lead completely, community is very much his wheelhouse here 😄

It's a meme?

[steady kayak]

the rokoko and neuron both have the problem (i have both) that they track with a single measured IMU point and then keep refferencing to that.. but your enviroment slowly changes over time.. so you enter a continously worsening drift.

[tepid flume]

i hope he's gonna be a good mediator between you and us

[sharp rose]

pff, i mediate myself lol

but really what i do isnt gonna directly affect anyone here in a way theyll notice

[jovial kestrel]

[vocal shard]

[tepid flume]

🧐

[steady kayak]

solution so far has been to add a vive tracker to the backl with velcro and reference to that.. but IMU is still sensitive to metals

[vocal shard]

i cant ever remember where im suppose to post things, me and discord have never worked well together, but i use a yoga silks rig with FBT and when i go upside down completely the torso always breaks and does a 180 rotation unless i put my arms out stretch like T pose, basically it happens the second the headset gets past a certain degree, could this be something that could be stopped?

[sharp rose]

okay fine, sometimes ati bans me for shitposting instead of working ...stuff

[steady kayak]

@vocal shard im not sure but i use legacy FBT mode and never noticed these problems.

[sharp rose]

FBT scares me ngl

[bitter stream]

speaking of fbt, i kinda wish vrchat would have an in game way to fix the spines. it sucks finding a nice avatar that breaks the moment you put it on cause you have full body

[vocal shard]

im not sure what legacy FBT is, is it a brand?

[jovial kestrel]

I do the same thing, which is kinda why I just don't use it much.

[steady kayak]

helps with identifying who has had a drink too many really fast.. the walk reveals it all

[marsh summit]

Anyway, on that note. I must be heading out as it's 5AM where I live and I start work at 7 😩

[bitter stream]

apparently there are mods that can fix it so i know it can be done but i dont use mods

[sharp rose]

well yea but for me specifically i mean lol

being mostly normal in chat/voicechat is ezpz

in person/body language, youll immediately notice im not

[bitter stream]

yeah LIV lets you move things around and calibrate

[lucid sandal]

More than 3 trackers supported would be pretty neat. I've got some old vive wands that could be put to use.

[vocal shard]

FBT makes me wanna show lots of body language, dance, be active.... The opposite of irl me

[sharp rose]

Jamie Vatarganimation

[bitter stream]

yeah i shake my hips so much in vrchat is crazy. trust me wont see me doing that in public

[sharp rose]

...Vatanimation sounds better

[split lotus]

I actually liked that I could use my FBT when driving those cars in VRChat. The fact I can interact with the clutch, brakes, and gas pedals.

[vocal shard]

i do spend an awful lot of time fighting steam with the trackers, thats for sure

[sharp rose]

those VR cars are nuts

[jovial kestrel]

Sassy body language is entirely the reason I even bought fbt.

[steady kayak]

honestly if I were vrc: I would arrange a coupon code for VRC+ users with either vive or tundra for trackers if you guys were to upgrade to multi point tracking (that is more then 3)

[vocal shard]

Yeah I have a tail on vrc so I often catch myself swaying my hips to make it move

[steady kayak]

that way vrc could get a kick back on tracker sales.. ez money

[bitter stream]

i had massive problems with vrchat cars for a while, found out that if you set your home world to an udon world it permanently breaks seats in your entire play session

[lucid sandal]

I talk through movements a lot. I don't have much to say tbh.

[vocal shard]

been meaning to get in there but every time i want to steam seems to hate my FBT

is it really good at functioning?

[steady kayak]

for example code "askjdhans" for 1 month of free vrc+ with your tracker order

[sharp rose]

thats...huh. wonder what that's about...

[bitter stream]

apparently its a known problem that was never fixed so never EVER have yoru home world set to an udon world, it breaks things all around

[jovial kestrel]

Yeah.

[steady kayak]

and maybe have things like eye tracking or things that essentially require more server overhead behind vrc+ because someone who is able to afford all that can surely afford a membership imho

[simple wyvern]

Bingo

[steady kayak]

but thats just me.

[marsh summit]

I still use the default home

[bitter stream]

oh but its sorta fixed if you take off full body so its a fullbody+ udon homeworld that breaks vrchat for that playsession until you have a 2.0 world and restart

[steady kayak]

but it increases the list of "reasons to consider vrc+ .. nobody will absolutely need it but.. hey !

(i have vrc+ tho i get so many hours out of vrc that i think its ok to pay)

[spring vine]

itd be nice to have a achievement system to get free vrchat plus

[bitter stream]

idk about that, but maybe trusted users get like a 20% off first month?

[steady kayak]

glitch maybe they can actually do sponsorships with certain brands or products to offer a coupon for 1 month of free vrc.. would be better then a free pass

because otherwise you make an economy circkle around earning membership like runescape bonds.. might not be a good thing.

[spring vine]

or maybe watch ads to get points for free vrchat plus, theyd still get money no?

[steady kayak]

non targeted ads make bad pay.

[bitter stream]

nah that path is messy and always abandoned

[steady kayak]

i would like them to stay far from that

[bitter stream]

trust me, ive even played an ad sponsered version of far cry 1 back in the day when they were testing it out

[steady kayak]

gotta love constant mcdonalds sponsorships when you are about to play.

[bitter stream]

loading screens always had a mcdonalds ad. yep

[steady kayak]

imho being confronted with irl related ads in a virtual experience doesn't sound all too nice.

[bitter stream]

its a sound good on paper, frustrates users to mod or crack it to high hell in practice

honestly best thing is probably just big sales or do what microsoft does and like 3 months for 1$ just to get people to even get through the process

[steady kayak]

microsoft can permit such low subscription fees though because their user pool is enormous (and so is their capital)

so they can push out most of the middle man and reduce their overhead cost with mass investements.

[desert swan]

Avatar hunting sucks no one ever has the thing I’ve been looking for ooof

[bitter stream]

its still the AOL model though, even if you get 5% thats a profit usually

[steady kayak]

keep jumping avatar worlds or check out booth wolf

[lapis gulch]

considered making your own?

[bitter stream]

hell first months free sorta deal

[steady kayak]

honestly i recommend booth...

[sharp rose]

i did once

[desert swan]

I suck at making my own my brain can’t comprehend things. I was hunting for Asta

[sharp rose]

it...didnt end well

btw anyone know a good person to commission avis lol

[steady kayak]

now i wanna see

[lapis gulch]

im on about 3000 uploads now lol

[sharp rose]

it didnt even survive the editor, it wont render

[steady kayak]

Sentinel

[lapis gulch]

points at self

[sharp rose]

unity dies

[bitter stream]

i have 119 uploaded atm. damn i know another p erson with that many but they dont make them public

[jovial kestrel]

Yeah once you learn how to do it, it becomes kind of addictive.

[desert swan]

What’s booth

[distant juniper]

Quite a few ppl on booth accept comissions

[steady kayak]

Sentinel373#5947 @sharp rose
VRpill uses him a lot too!

[sharp rose]

taking names/links btw, not ignoring anyone

[steady kayak]

that is to say... if he has time

[sharp rose]

tysm ❤️

[bitter stream]

its extra work to make them public because you have to make the thumbnail nice which is a pain cause you hvae to make a cube and place that down (why isnt there a thumbnail uploader?!) and then place them in a world and upload THAT as well

[arctic elm]

I'm trying to learn how to model n stuff so someday I can be a reputable vrchat creator :P

[lapis gulch]

one trick is take the photo you want and put it on a plane then have the vrc cam take a picture of the picture

[steady kayak]

btw sache it depends on what you want

[bitter stream]

thats what i do but i plop down a cube and take a pic of that. still a pain to line up and all that

[sharp rose]

a robit

[steady kayak]

but if its non anime then I know someone who has more time AeridicCore on twitter hit him up.. really really good at anthropomorphic

[jovial kestrel]

I'm sort of curious as to what Sach's ideal avatar looks like.

[sharp rose]

robot, even

fatfingered that

[bitter stream]

its extra steps that shouldnt be needed and makes the quality of the pic less

[steady kayak]

neither do like assets swapping btw.. they model from scratch

[lapis gulch]

i have mine set up so when i enter play mode a plane appears in the correct place to the camera all i have to do is drag the photo onto it

[steady kayak]

robot my recommendation is sentinel in that case.. but honestly.. his time.. is sparse

[sharp rose]

😦

[steady kayak]

here is a reference of work sache
https://twitter.com/Sentinel373/status/1359328373110112258/photo/1

dw its just an image showing one of his modeled bots for vrc

[sharp rose]

👀

dang that IS nice

[frosty veldt]

Sentinel does good work, especially for robots. Don't know his availability atm though

[steady kayak]

i think his availability rn is very little

[sharp rose]

with that quality, i'd imagine he's way overbooked lol

[frosty veldt]

Haven't talked to him in months

[steady kayak]

ive been looking myself for an anime character modeler (not an asset flipper) for a year now haha

[crisp hill]

Hi everyone

[sharp rose]

wonder if i could sell VO for avatars...hm

heya juzz

[crisp hill]

How’s it going?

[steady kayak]

VO? voice over?

[sharp rose]

goin good, hows u m8

@steady kayak ye

[crisp hill]

One of those nights where I think to much I guess idk

[sharp rose]

been there, sucks

think less with us then 😄

[crisp hill]

I’m just here to vibe, yeah

[steady kayak]

i still wanna see someone sacrifice one of their avatar FBT joints to mark a cat with a vive tracker in the room in VRC

that would be hilarious in a way

[jovial kestrel]

Stick your tracker on a roomba

[sharp rose]

omg thats evil

but funny

[steady kayak]

so you can see the cat move around the room as you play.. just for hilarity sake.

[digital mantle]

Tracker on a ceiling fan, SPEEN

[jovial kestrel]

But why

[steady kayak]

no why reason.. just silly avatar reason

ofc sommeone shouldnt leave that tracker on their cat and mount it to one of those safe cat harnesses .. (just incase someone is serious in doing this)

[sharp rose]

is there ever a bad time for speen

[frosty veldt]

You can leave a tracker like that because it will drag your avatar or give up if too far IIRC. Everything is connected

[steady kayak]

yeah thats why im wondering.. i dont think you can disconnect it from the rig

unless you make a leg thats not functioning and make one leg bone really long?

[jovial kestrel]

Perhaps while driving.

[vapid mortar]

Is there a place where I could get Watch Dogs avatars?

[frosty veldt]

It would still be functional, but that's the way to do it

[tranquil bronze]

ow my spleen

[frosty veldt]

Probably best for a snake/mermaid avatar

[tranquil bronze]

search for it

[vapid mortar]

I've already looked up watch dogs

[steady kayak]

now we are on topic of FBT anyway.. if you have an AC in the room: Consider covering it.. my tracking improved so much.. AC's have a shiny surface

[vapid mortar]

I wish you could search for avatars, but you can't

[jovial kestrel]

That's with tracking in general. Anything reflective just says no to lighthouses

[steady kayak]

the IR laser reflects off it and diffuses in the room.

still looking for some kind of matte vinyl wrap to prevent scattering.. but i havent found it.. so rn i throw a bed sheet over it.

[steady kayak]

it depends! you have some materials that can be absorbing the IR light.. just like how laser cutters take advantage of that on glass. but they are much deeper in the IR

i can use my optical spectrum analyser to measure the wavelength of the base stations (if its not public)

[jovial kestrel]

That makes sense, I've never looked farther into it than reflective things to be honest.

[steady kayak]

i just googled.. it says 830nm. I use 808nm here in the lab. ill check!

830nm isnt very far into the IR band at all.

[sharp rose]

okay MAYBE then

maybe

[steady kayak]

for example a laser cutter runs at a band of 10600nm so thats absorbed by glass. but 830nm.. probably not

probably is a cost /material situation to go for that band for the pass through optics on trackers.

[worthy oracle]

we talking about laser cutters?

[steady kayak]

nono just about base stations and reflecting off surfaces.

[worthy oracle]

oh lmao

[steady kayak]

looking for a solution to cover my AC in a non permanent more elegant way as it reduces tracking quality.. kinda hoping for some matte vinyl wrap of sorts for AC's
so you dont go around and spray cover your nice ac unit haha

[sharp rose]

point AC outside, instant fix?

oh wait no, the backs of those things reflect even worse

also the whole "heat dumping in your room" thing but whatevs

[jovial kestrel]

Don't point your AC outside, it's cold enough here already

[steady kayak]

honestly 2 ways is a wrap i guess (good luck finding) or using a 3D scanning spray.. its water washable and makes everything you spray matte white for 3D scanning.. it does make your AC look frosted though!

[lapis gulch]

ima head to sleep have a good one all o7

[sharp rose]

mm....frosty ac

nini lime

[polar crown]

what are veteran and legendary users?

[jovial kestrel]

Goodnight

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