vrchat-general-2

[vocal shard]

ones that are perf blocked and ones that are just ones that you cannot see because the avatar is only for pc

perf blocked ones are the quest variants of their avatars they made but usually they dont optimize it so its just automatically hidden, but you have to select them and show the avatar manually to see it

[noble depot]

You'd need a VR-capable computer to see PC avatars with a Quest, and a link cable/Virtual Desktop

[vocal shard]

yeah if you want to see everything your gonna need a link or vd with the quest to your PC no way around it

How can I tell if my pc is vr capable

[noble depot]

Type "dxdiag" into the windows search bar without the quotes o:

Important things to know would be the Processor, the amount of Memory, and the graphics card(s) which would show up in the Display and Render tabs

[celest pewter]

hi

[vocal shard]

I got a 1040 or whatever it is

It’s somewhere in 1 thousands

[noble depot]

DXDiag will tell you the name of the graphics card(s), along with the other info I stated c:

[vocal shard]

yeah do what zuvali is saying since performance can greatly vary in the "1000 series"

I’m not on pc rn but can u dm me the thing I need to type in

Dxdiag says: glide fx voodoo 5.

just dxdiag

first page tells cpu and ram I believe then the display pages tell you your video cards

Sound blaster pro

[noble depot]

Sound blaster's still around actually, though I don't really see why you'd need a seperate audio card nowadays, barring music production o:

[vocal shard]

I need sound blaster pro for all the partying im doing at Romanians party

Yeah nobody needs an expansion card..

you guys needed an expansion card for audio then? damm

What's the point when you can use an external amplifier?

[noble depot]

in the heckin' older days yus, you'd either have a piezo buzzer for audio or you'd have a dedicated sound card

Some games made use of both the PC 'speaker' and the sound card, for sound effects and music respectively

[vocal shard]

PIEZO crystal buzzers???? ancient

Yes.. the days when we had to manually assign the Irq of said devices so that games would run with sound.

So one random ass dude I talked to in vrchat was talking about amd is better than intel because it has a better general hash rate and you should mine crypto overnight

Im not sure how eletricity bills work but wouldnt you be losing more money than gaining by mining or

[noble depot]

Dddepends on how lucky you get presumably, and how many mining computers you're running lol

[broken plover]

that's why miners undervolt their GPUs and they also have multiple GPUs which makes it more profitable

[celest pewter]

sup

[vocal shard]

oh so they figure out what the best power to profit ratio and accomodate their gpus and cpus to that

and not end up wasting money on extra power

[brisk jackal]

LKSJFBLKAJSFB booth is so damned frustrating 😐

[vocal shard]

hey, any VRCP members?

that stands for?

VRChat Plus

i can't seem to be able to buy it for some reason

[forest sapphire]

If I use the open beta will I still be able to see friends who don't have the beta?

[vocal shard]

maybe ones who got it can help.

[forest sapphire]

Also, how do I get the open beta

[vocal shard]

pretty sure if your in beta, the people in the normal build cant join you and im not sure

yeah "This Open Beta is not compatible with Live. You will not be able to join people on Live when using this build, and they will not be able to join on you."

[grave haven]

You can switch to beta by right-clicking the game in Steam > Properties > Betas. The game will then download an update.

[errant tree]

Heya

[vocal shard]

I thought VRChat had a patreon

nvm i got it

[forest sapphire]

Can a developer tell me why I am not aloud to pick my own creations as a fallback avatar?

[noble depot]

It's detailed in the patchnotes - you need to reupload your Quest avatar and tag it as a fallback avatar

It also has to be past a certain avatar performance rating (Good or higher I believe?)

[forest sapphire]

that's dumb

[vocal shard]

is it possible to be deranked?

[forest sapphire]

Yes

[vocal shard]

iirc my account was once Known

now it's User.

[forest sapphire]

I've had friends that have dropped from trusted to known

[vocal shard]

yeah if you get reported blocked or hidded enough

[forest sapphire]

Ikr jewordi

[vocal shard]

nah i returned after 2y (with VR)

[forest sapphire]

I'll use a triangle

[vocal shard]

and played last time without VR in 2020.

[forest sapphire]

1 poly

[vocal shard]

does inactivity/removing old friends count for derank?

[noble depot]

Inactivity shouldn't afaik, but removing friends can

[vocal shard]

ah

[forest sapphire]

6 triangles one for each track point

[vocal shard]

explains friend cleanup then

[grave haven]

The only way of financially supporting right now VRChat is by getting VRC+.

[forest sapphire]

cleaning up your friends shouldn't cause that though. I have so many people I never interact with

[vocal shard]

what's a Nitro Classic token/credit and how do I use it?

[forest sapphire]

Do I need a new sdk to tag an avatar as fallback

[noble depot]

Yes, you need the current open beta SDK - #open-beta-info

[grave haven]

https://support.discord.com/hc/en-us/articles/360030782312-Account-Credit-FAQ

[late void]

Not to be offensive but I don't like quest users because now I got to reupload my stuff at a worse quality just so they can see it. :Pain: so annoying

[vocal shard]

actually, the reason i hate quest is that they can't see my avatar

or only see parts of it.

[late void]

And vrchat has to cater to them because money

[vocal shard]

that limitation is understandable, but very irritating.

[noble depot]

If your avatar is PC only, they can't see it at all

[late void]

They should have never let vrchat run on quest lmao

[vocal shard]

not made by me, but yeah, PC only

[late void]

But they were like mmmm Facebook money

[vocal shard]

i will make my own soon™️

[noble depot]

VRChat didn't get any financial compensation for supporting the Quest though

[late void]

Doubt that

[noble depot]

no sources on that - they did get an investment from HTC though, but that's it

[vocal shard]

investment from HTC and still no Oculus Trackers

shame.

[grave haven]

There is the potential economic benefit of Quest users buying VRC+.

[late void]

You guys sure? I could be wrong but I legit heard it's because they got money from Facebook

[tardy plaza]

Hello

[grave haven]

Quest users also bring in a lot of PR for VRChat, people who later might go on to buy PCVR.

[noble depot]

There's no source on that yeah, Oculus hasn't invested in VRChat

[late void]

Now that's just sad but hilarious and good for business I guess

[noble depot]

Def yeah, though I mean in terms of investment

[vocal shard]

I'd still upload and stay with vr chat with Mark Zuckerberg bought it tbh.. I'm sure the community would become ultra pc though lols

all that parents credit card gross profit that is just waiting to be tapped

[late void]

Yessss

[noble depot]

nonetheless though, the Quest version of VRChat is reputed for not running well because of unoptimized UGC though, which is what the current open beta is looking to solve o:

[forest sapphire]

any idea when the beta will be rolled out

[vocal shard]

to live not sure

[noble depot]

No idea, but it might be a while since it's a big change - you can test it out now though in #open-beta-info o:

[forest sapphire]

vrchat is unoptimized on every platform, mostly due to it's poor multicore/multithread performance

[noble depot]

Not at all, VRChat is multithreaded also - it's also one of the few VR games that runs smoothly on my 970M

[forest sapphire]

There's no good reason I should be getting 45 frames in a world with 6 people with a 3090 and a ryzen 9

[noble depot]

What's the performance rank of the avatars they're wearing though? o:

[forest sapphire]

Can't see half of them because their behind a wall

[noble depot]

(you can also see more in-depth stats if you click on their avatar stats)

[forest sapphire]

So only one person by me and the mirror

[late void]

I have the same pc specs as my friend, but an older windows OS, he always gets 90 and I get locked at 45 in vrchat. So annoying

[noble depot]

The other people still might be rendered though, if the world creator doesn't have culling set up right afaik

[forest sapphire]

In order for my frames to go high I have to change my refresh rate

And that's the problem

That should be forced

[vocal shard]

!online

[floral flax]

There are 27870 users in VRChat currently

[late void]

Actually maybe our different headsets have something to do with it. Does the vive cost more power to run/render because it's got a higher res than the oculus?

[forest sapphire]

wow it's only about 3 eastern and we're near 30k

Willing to bet we see over 40k tonight

[late void]

Only 12pm PST. I am scared :')

[vocal shard]

Servers are gonna get warm tonight :)

wym whats happening

[forest sapphire]

They're gonna start on fire

whats with the sudden influx of users in the last few months

it's way after christmas

[noble depot]

Server patches have been rolled out according to #announcements, so hopefully it'll go well o:

[forest sapphire]

I ain't holding my breath

[noble depot]

Large influx of people getting headsets for Christmas, followed by a big population boost for New Years

[forest sapphire]

At worst its been friends list glitches

[noble depot]

a ton'a people have stuck around o:

[forest sapphire]

so not too bad

[noble depot]

also the friends list thing isn't strictly a glitch, that was done deliberately to save the server

[forest sapphire]

I know

I thought they stopped the intention messing up of the friends list weeks ago

[vocal shard]

I'm still waiting for the day when someone says server wipe

[noble depot]

Not at all, though it was only a temporary measure and shouldn't be required now o:

[forest sapphire]

hows this fall back thing gonna work if the armature doesn't match

Since I use fullbody tracking

[obtuse flame]

Is the My Status not working?

[vocal shard]

is it possible to delete a vrchat account? my old steam (vrchat) account has a username i wanted to pick, but it has a non-capital version.

i don't even use that account.

[wind zealot]

it is possible, but i personally don't know how to

probably like in account settings on the website

[vocal shard]

uhh, i don't think i can sign into website using steam

[late void]

Ah yes I just love all the glitches in sdk 3s poop IK

Honestly speaking I think the capabilities of av 3 is a step up for sure. But the IK changes.. the way they move , the way they turn , the way they jump, the way they do that glitch where I'm gliding. garbage. Just garbage.

And please no "but you can change that" because most people are just using default so I gotta deal with it from 90% of creators

[forest sapphire]

I like the sliding with 6 point tracking

[vocal shard]

yeah if you go to the website, go to the settings under the profile icon in the top left, scroll to the bottom for additional options and delete acc should be an option

[forest sapphire]

If I am sitting or laying down it looks wierd to have the avatar pop down and it feels wierd

Wish I could override that in the radial menu

[noble depot]

The fallback avatar will scale to your avatar's size, so it should be fine

[forest sapphire]

size wise though the trackpoints don't always match

You can scale up in unity and it will still calibrate just below the knee on some avatars

curious to see how it works when it actually rolled out

I can't test it until it's rolled out because the beta isn't available on quest yet

[mental tide]

LF Friends to play vr chat with PM me

[ebon basin]

how do I unafk

I accidentally afked

help

whats the keybind to afk

[craggy dune]

Will we ever get more icon slots?I take sooo many photos cause I'm on quest and it's the only camera I can use

Press 1 on Your numlock

[ebon basin]

omg thank you

[craggy dune]

Mhmm,

[ebon basin]

that was helpful

[craggy dune]

Yee, no worries,

[ebon basin]

I thought I was going to be stuck

[craggy dune]

Nah, simple fix XD

[ebon basin]

Well I had my mic set to somthing else so I couldnt ask in game

[unreal verge]

What's your headseats max framerate? SteamVR tends to set it's own hard cap based on your headseats max refresh rate. Usually approximately half of that.

[karmic flame]

lol my hair is way too long so it breaks readyplayerme

rip

[forest sapphire]

144

[unreal verge]

Oh Index

Yeah idk then

[junior vine]

can someone help me find this avatar?
[16:32]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-xG2imYnbc

[severe iron]

#avatar-search-old

[prime dust]

can any1 help me make an avatar?

[desert blade]

no

piss off

[prime dust]

sorry

[severe iron]

Plenty of tutorials on YouTube, the vrc sdk documents, and channels for helping- just not this one lol

[desert blade]

i was jk i love you

[prime dust]

all the tutorials are old so they dont help

[desert kelp]

Looking for advice on a good PCVR VRChart based horror game/experiences for 2 people that takes around 30 minutes or less. Anyone got some favorites?

[vocal shard]

How do you leave your camera where it is?

[finite steppe]

Who pinged me? Nvm, forgot the inbox exists.

I'm going with an i7 10700K, the R5 5600X was out of stock when i went to buy.

[crimson gate]

I think it's great that people of all ages can have access to VR Chat without a VR headset, but I have encountered people in VRChat Among Us who I think are wayyyyy to young to even own computer/laptop of their own

[honest forge]

i dont think most of them do own a computer. they just own the quest for some god foresaken reason

but you also have to consider that we are like what... going into the second generation of the internet?

[severe iron]

Rainhet Chaneru has some very detailed and recent tutorials, the virtual reality show has a lot of information too. Even older tutorials are still pretty relevant

[crimson gate]

yeah that's true.

[cursive robin]

ok so im currently on an scp 096 scopophobia character, and it has animations but idk how to do them

can someone help me witht hat

with that

[limber warren]

About how much VRAM does VRchat use?

[ruby needle]

that can drastically differ

[limber warren]

I know it ranges from world to world but what would you say the average is?

[ruby needle]

it also differs form avatar to avatar.

lobby full of texture blown avatar's will consume a lot

[limber warren]

What’s the most you’ve ever needed to use?

[regal furnace]

8GB on my 8GB card

[vocal shard]

blender is sucking rn

bruh, It won't let me export as a FBX cus the file is apparently corrupted or it can't open it. How much is a custom model?

[regal furnace]

depends. MMD mashups are not supposed to cost anything, yet people charge money for them. a full scratch model with rigging, textures etc can easily go for 500 USD

[vocal shard]

Lovely, time to go and not scream over the fact blender is sucking

[regal furnace]

its blender, what do you expect :p

[vocal shard]

plus unity was like no shoulder bones to be seen and then I had to change some stuff now blender wont export

[eager vessel]

did someone say milsim?

[regal furnace]

no

[rancid jewel]

i found the best gordon freeman avatar

[trail creek]

Anyone for Putt Putt Pond?

[rancid jewel]

its got dances from all sorts of games, working weapons and shit, and it's quest compatible!

the only downside is its shading can get a little wonky in some worlds

which ranges from the hair looking not right to the entire avatar just being the void

[fresh stirrup]

If I get a cable link for my Quest 2 for pc will I be able too use the vrchat pc version without virtual desktop

[rancid jewel]

yes

thats what a link cable does
it turns your quest into a pcvr headset

[fresh stirrup]

Thanks sorry too bother its I'm just new too vr a little bit

[vocal shard]

How much would it be to send the file to someone and have them look at it and fix the problems?

[ruby needle]

@vocal shard in no way are they allowed to do it, not sure why you'd word it that way.
It's clear that some people will always go ahead and break rules but that doesn't mean their allowed to at all.

Regardless, please report these to https://help.vrchat.com and not call them out here.
Make a short recording and add a proper description into the report.
Witch hunting is not the solution.

[wind zealot]

to who is that message directed at... i don't see anyone under that tag...

[vocal shard]

I can see that tag its just they deleted their message

[ruby needle]

It's been removed and redirected to the support page because call out post.

[wind zealot]

i still stand on the pubic call out thing

like the good ol times

when a single scratch could get you killed

oh those were shit good times

[vocal shard]

Ive found it does more harm than good but then I came from some animal jam group where pretty much everyone were toxic tards

[crimson gate]

Sometimes when i try to load into VR Chat worlds it will get to 100% then not load

and then when i press Go Home the same thing will happen

i keep having to reboot quite often

[vocal shard]

hey guys my hands have just frozen 😭 they're just stuck in the normal position and wont move when i press different buttons on my controller, anyone got any idea why?

[sick scroll]

anyone else not able to get in vrc today? in just get a "vrchat has encountered an internal error" followed by constant error beeping .-.

[wind zealot]

verify file integrity

[sick scroll]

reeee

mmmmnope

gonna try reinstalling

damn, that didnt even do it.

[vestal verge]

What’s poppin

[vocal shard]

jack harlow

[vestal verge]

...

[vocal shard]

the song whats poppin by jack harlow?

Can I have vr recommendations please one that can show animations and pc avatars

[sick scroll]

pretty much any headset as long as its connected to pcvr

[upper cradle]

Hmmm

[vocal shard]

How do you delete avatars you have uploaded?

I want to reupload cus I made the scale 0.2

[wind zealot]

iirc it's in the sdk control panel, i could be wrong though

[ruby needle]

you do not need to delete the avatar

you can just update it

[wind zealot]

that's a thing?

[ruby needle]

why should it not be? 😄

Thats the whole purpose of the blueprint id manager component

[wind zealot]

well maybe because this is vrchat, and making things easy for creators is not a thing developers do

[ruby needle]

It automatically get's filled out on the first upload, and then every new updat wil update the avatar with the ID in there.

[wind zealot]

in general, not only vrc

[ruby needle]

Not having the option to update asset's would be idiotic

Especially for worlds.

[sick scroll]

i mean, this is vrchat :v

[wind zealot]

^^^

[sick scroll]

you cant move your fingers with quest controllers when locking emotes

[ruby needle]

Ofc. If you lock them then... they are locked.

[sick scroll]

except, on index controllers, you can still move your fingers 😮

[ruby needle]

There is a fundamental difference between finger tracking and gestures.

[languid mason]

the index has finger tracking though :-p

[umbral reef]

Almost like they aint the same product and do not use close to the same technology at all

[cold dome]

Index is god

(for controllers)

[sick scroll]

is still stupid that not wanting emotes means i have to deal with not having fingers

[ruby needle]

because they are driven by gestures

which you lock down

if you want specific faces, make toggles

AV3 can do it all for ya

[sick scroll]

i dont think it would be too hard to have you know, a toggle, so that you can still use fingers and not have emotes

seems like a pretty basic thing to me

[umbral reef]

With Av2? Yes it would be, there is a reason we have 3.0 avatars.
And with those you dont need that settings as you can do it yourself and 100 times more things

[sick scroll]

i dont want to have to edit a model in unity to have something that should be standard with any model lmao

[vocal shard]

av3 be like 10 pages of straight toggles lmao

[languid mason]

that’s not how avatars work though, fingers are driven by gestures since up until recently all VR controllers had no bone based finger tracking. That’s why some avatars have different finger gestures than others

[sick scroll]

thats fine, i dont care that finger gestures are different. what i care about is the fact that lockingg gestures disables all movement in the fingers

[umbral reef]

Because those are done with gestures 🙃
And you override the gesture with your animations and stuff in av2 because its old as fuck

[ruby needle]

Because the fingers are also moved by gestures

[sick scroll]

you really dont understand what im trying to say do you lmao

[umbral reef]

We do, but we are also explaining why it doesnt work like you want it to

[ruby needle]

You need to understand that there is other systems to do exactly what you want.
Toggles.

[sick scroll]

except guess what, i dont know how to use unity, and i dont want to have to edit a model to get basic functionality

[umbral reef]

Then yell at avatar makers and not at the devs

Unless you want them to drop support for 2.0 avatars or just make the system work for 3.0 ones, what should not have this problem anyway if properly made.

[sick scroll]

the toggle im talking about is a vrchat toggle in its menu, not a toggle in a custom avatar menu

and im not yelling at anyone, im pointing out a flaw

[languid mason]

VRChat can’t add that though :v that’s up to avatar devs

[ruby needle]

the gesture lock is exactly that, a gesture lock.
It's supposed to lock the gestures

If you abuse it for toggling emutes permanently then that is not a flaw of the system

Because that is what toggles are for.

We understand what you're asking for, but that's not really what the lock has been designed for

[sick scroll]

then why do index controllers still work

[ruby needle]

Because the active finger tracking isn't gestures.

[sick scroll]

that makes no sense

[ruby needle]

But it does.

[umbral reef]

It literally tracks the fingers in real life

[languid mason]

I feel like this is going around in circles now lol

[sick scroll]

how is it that moving your fingers on one device is different from pressing a button on another

look, im just trying to understand

[ruby needle]

It actively influences the bone positions by tracking your stuf.

[umbral reef]

Because one is a button going "IM PRESSED" and the other is the full data set you need

[ruby needle]

Gestures are just triggered states depending on button combinations

It's programmically fundamentally different.

[steel dagger]

Just a reminder that I hate toothbrushes

[vocal shard]

mood

[upper cradle]

gross

[vocal shard]

🪥

🪥

[pastel crag]

@tiny tree are you the buddy

[sonic verge]

wheres the channel to report someone

[late void]

@ruby needle I remember a long time ago you said youtube updates with some dll can break video players? All vrchat video players stopped working for me 2 months ago how can I fix it

[shrewd edge]

#moderation-reports

[wind zealot]

patron lvl 2 moment

[vocal shard]

tier 3 pokimaine sub

[late void]

Anyone know a fix for video players not working? 😭

[vocal shard]

I got perm banned from rec room server lol

[sonic verge]

a little story time, sooooo i explained beforehand that i only have 1 avatar that can be annoying in public, i got asked to show it, so i did, a moment after that i got crashed

[honest forge]

dont

[sonic verge]

thing is, its not even gonna ruin your eyes

just a song and small text pop up

[vocal shard]

How do I send videos in to servers

you dont ?

You can tho

[sharp saddle]

Of what?

[wind zealot]

wat

[vocal shard]

hey, does anybody know how to download vr chat on mac ?? please dm

[steel dagger]

Little girl just asked me out

She sounded 9 at least

[warm tree]

That’s a weird flex but ok

[steel dagger]

I'm not trying to flex

[warm tree]

Lmao

[wind zealot]

lol don't even try

[steel dagger]

I'm trying to show show fucking weird this game is

Even though we all know

[warm tree]

Maybe your weird one, you never know, I mean you are hanging around with 9 year olds

[vernal anvil]

nOrMaLlY hApPeNs ThE oThEr WaY aRoUnD fOr Me.

[warm tree]

Yea but your response is what they need when they ask you out.

[steel dagger]

I'm 14 and was just chilling in Midnight Rooftop

Just looking in the mirror like a regular vrchat person

[warm tree]

Anyway you didn’t tell us your response to her.

[steel dagger]

I left

I left faster than someones dad

zoom

[warm tree]

Well overcoming your parents in tasks are pretty fun

[steel dagger]

You arent wrong

My dad doesnt live with me

[warm tree]

That’s why oculus quest 2 is great because you can take it between divorced parents houses

But I have rift s

[steel dagger]

Seems legit

[warm tree]

No it’s not legit your living a simulation

Wake up

[zinc gull]

why do i get taller the shorter i set my hight

[wind zealot]

you're

[warm tree]

I decline thanks

[warm tree]

I don’t know maybe #user-support-old could help you out

[warm tree]

I swear that’s the hardest thing in this planet, can’t remember them, I just pick one and use it.

[zinc gull]

it doesnt feel like its a question worthy of that channel

[warm tree]

Every question is worthy for that channel

[wind zealot]

idk, i just know how to correctly, i never even known the rules, i just know that a and an, your and you're it has to sound fluent, if it doesn't then 90% of the time smth is wrong

[winter goblet]

Hello, I'm new to this discord. Is there a channel where I could commission an avatar?

[warm tree]

#avatar-search-old

[zinc gull]

try the vrc traders discord too

[winter goblet]

thanks 😀

[warm tree]

Anyone want to trade virtual pokemon cards viva dm?

We could even do bay blade battles

[vocal shard]

we need a bay blade battle area world oh my god

so many memories

[warm tree]

Maybe, but there is enough ripping already

[rocky mesa]

anyone know where i can get a good quality image of the 😐 vrchat emote

[fiery dragon]

people should play more games in vrchat

a lot of them seem rlly good but theyre dead

[vocal shard]

What kind of games.

[fiery dragon]

like laser tag and such

everyone only plays amugons and freeze tag

amogus

agumos

[vocal shard]

I confess to never actually playing a game within vrchat in my life, i just create worlds and stay on my own in unity.. never really been attracted to games.. but hey im weird. lol

[fiery dragon]

theyre actually fun

especially amogus, it has proximity voice chat n stuff

[warm tree]

Every world has proximity chat though......

[vocal shard]

hmm.. for the most part i see alot of people dating in public no matter the world i end up on, love is a game of chance.. a roll of the dice, a draw of a card, thats the only game im familiar with. lol

[warm tree]

I think

[fiery dragon]

yes wich is why its fun to play amogus in vr with proximity chat

[warm tree]

It’s kinda boring

Among us

[sly crater]

hey guys

[fiery dragon]

hi FurryHelpUwU

[sly crater]

I'm bored got any suggestions?

[fiery dragon]

no

i was in the furry fandom for multiple years

then kero did the thing and then other people did the same thing and then i got kinda grossed out and left

[sly crater]

oh

[warm tree]

What did kero do?

[fiery dragon]

had too much fun with his dog

and roadkills

[warm tree]

Who’s a good boy

And roadkills too?

[fiery dragon]

well, he did the thing with roadkills

all while doing interviews abt the furry fandoms and stuff

[warm tree]

Well at least it’s good to know there is another person who doesn’t like big oppai

He was more a flat-person

[fiery dragon]

lmao

[warm tree]

Dude stuffed an animal that wasn’t a turkey, and it wasn’t thanksgiving

[tranquil thicket]

Has anyone else seen this world called lucifers throne room thats super glitchy

[warm tree]

No

[tranquil thicket]

Im in quest and the world gave me screen tearing and super slow frame rates

And other general glitchyness

[vocal shard]

Cheese on the group dinner and then

[severe iron]

A Beyblade world hmmmmmmmmm

[warm tree]

Do it I dare you

Make a bay blade world

I don’t care how long it takes

[severe iron]

I was gonna try a mirror maze as my first world but that sounds less complicated and more fun

[warm tree]

I double triple dog dare you

[severe iron]

The seed is officially planted. I'll make a terrible beyblade world and someone smarter will make a better version eventually lmao

[warm tree]

We will play it

[severe iron]

I didn't watch the show so I guess I should do that while working on it

[warm tree]

I don’t care how bad

Neither have I

[severe iron]

Those tops were awesome tho

[quiet herald]

!online

[floral flax]

There are 38611 users in VRChat currently

[fiery dragon]

why cant i find tall avatars

all my avatars are fucking tiny

[severe iron]

Gotta go to the big and tall section o.o

[vocal shard]

The big and tall section is a joke, i walked into a "mind your head" sign

[severe iron]

#avatar-search-old

[finite hawk]

would the nutter butter skin get banned if a vrchat staff found out about it

[vocal shard]

I have no clue what that even is.

[fiery dragon]

no

[finite hawk]

oh

well its like the butter skin but white and it can puke white stuff

[fiery dragon]

they probably have

[finite hawk]

its been banned before

i have 2 of them the original and a remake of it

[fiery dragon]

oh

[vocal shard]

Well.. i had a pony that shat rainbows among other things in SL.. i used to plaster every world i joined.

[finite hawk]

sounds

interesting

[rancid jewel]

gonna have panda express tonight

[violet hearth]

why cant i look at offline friends now

[fair void]

So if u crash or reload VRC most ppl cant see u unless they block and unblock u, its hells annoying - what is this bug lmao

[mighty cape]

is anyone else having trouble searching avatars?

[gloomy remnant]

wrong server 😬

[vocal shard]

☁️ ☁️ ☁️ ♿

[covert field]

Is this game even worth playing without VR

Its so limitated

[gloomy remnant]

yes imo

cuz i just like talkin to ppl on desktop over vr

[meager solstice]

It’s fine in desktop and I don’t think it’s limited atleast in my opinion

[forest sapphire]

!online

[floral flax]

There are 41696 users in VRChat currently

[rancid jewel]

holy shit

that's practically the record

[limpid oar]

Hi :D

[foggy belfry]

Hi

[uncut trail]

yep

testing the player limit

[burnt schooner]

yo i just downloaded vr chat anyone know how i can get like a toon link skin

[quiet herald]

!online

[floral flax]

There are 42111 users in VRChat currently

[shadow eagle]

But there has been over 50 people playing before

[analog schooner]

Are there any plans for Reverb G2 support with gestures?

[vapid eagle]

Can someone tell me where the jojo fans hangout

[vast basin]

Heyo i need some help

[muted burrow]

Wif what

[vast basin]

Im currently stuck in a “you are not authorized to join this instance loop”

I just got back in the game after like 4 months

[muted burrow]

Try resetting ur headset or device if that don't work try emailing the developers

Idk how to really help so this is the best I can do

[foggy belfry]

Anyone up for being in a YouTube video

Just asking

[sharp heron]

VRChat says I’m “offline” when I’m not.

[foggy belfry]

Oof

[vast basin]

im in

Reset the game

[sharp heron]

I just started it literally five minutes ago.

First time tonight.

[foggy belfry]

Huh

[covert field]

6ft under

[foggy belfry]

Oof

[atomic osprey]

E

[random plaza]

Hey

[foggy belfry]

But does anyone

[random plaza]

I mean I don't mind I guess but idk u

[foggy belfry]

Ok my name in vrc is sad Wolfe

[rancid jewel]

holy shit

that's definitely record

[vocal shard]

I keep getting vrc dc'd

[potent fern]

might be even more now, this was more than 20 min ago

[rancid jewel]

!online

[floral flax]

There are 42479 users in VRChat currently

[rancid jewel]

it definitely is even more now

it's definitely going to keep rising into the night

[potent fern]

if it doesnt bresk!

[rancid jewel]

if it's going up this high it will probably not break

plus if it did literally half of the server would be complaining

[vocal shard]

i kind of wish vrchat allowed creators to upload worlds to be public sooner than weekly. i have a bunch of projects going right now and was hoping to get them out before the middle of next month

[sharp saddle]

The world publishing is automated.

[steel dagger]

What's with pringle mic in this game

[quiet herald]

!online

[floral flax]

There are 42583 users in VRChat currently

[sharp saddle]

Quest mic sucks.

[steel dagger]

Ikr

[sharp saddle]

A hell of a lot better than the robotic voice of the Rift S.

[trail creek]

Need friends. Add me

[vocal shard]

Peener

[rancid jewel]

yeah

!online

[floral flax]

There are 42397 users in VRChat currently

[clear wind]

Fix the stupid fuckin audio completely going out and having to restart the game to get it back

U a wqqqqqqqwwwew we ft hhghhuuio

[swift wagon]

Hey this might not be the right place for this for some reason clicking on users to bring up the menu to friend them and stuff just kinda... stopped working. Even on people I've done it to before or on what day I do it or how good my internet is or how many times I click them. It still shows them at the top of the menu when I mouse over them but no matter how much a spam click or which click nothing at all happens. And googling I couldn't find anyone with them same issue or the search results where too polluted with irrelevant stuff. Anyone have any idea what is going on? This has been really limiting.

[noble depot]

That issue may come up when you're hitting less than 20FPS? o:

[buoyant kelp]

i'll try to make it a bit shorter so i don't clutter up the chat too much but

Hey, my name's Katie. I'm looking to make some genuine long term friends. Ages 16+ pls

I'm 18, trans-female (she/her), and Canadian.
I love cats, The Office, B99 and Parks and Rec, chill music, talking to people, and gaming.

I would love to hug, cuddle and hangout on VRChat with some people if possible.
I may be a bit shy and not-so-talkative at first, and forget to reply sometimes so I'm really sorry. I'm pretty sad most of the time and that might bum people out, aside from me being awkward or weird. It's probably not best to DM me if you can't really handle .. well, people having feelings?
Lonely/sad people are especially more than welcome.

Feel free to DM and thanks for um reading.

an LFG channel or something would help but yup.

[random plaza]

Oh uhm I'm nee to VR, looking for friends to do whatever and teach me how to play, I'm kinda shy but warm up quick. Just friend request me to exchange VR names ect. ( I'm a minor btw I'm 15)

[vocal shard]

helo

[random plaza]

Henlo

[vocal shard]

im looking for friends, my vrc is dirtshaqqq and im 16 and looking for friends ehe

even discord friends >:]

[random plaza]

Lol bet same. I'm not on VR ATM but I'll be in tomorrow

[vocal shard]

noooooooooooo

i use my dads pc and i only see him once or twice a month sobs

[random plaza]

👁👄👁

[vocal shard]

xd

[sick garnet]

vrchat dead or only me?

[vocal shard]

Is my house haunted if I hear ice cream van noises at 5 am

[sick garnet]

oh no, i cant join one specific ftiend for a reason

[vocal shard]

nope every 10 minutes i will get a connection timeout

on the quest

[fiery dragon]

0-0

[vocal shard]

?

[dark vale]

Ice cream van? There are vans that play ncs song fatrat monody. Was that diferent van?

[vocal shard]

does anyone know where i can get a good levi ackerman avatar with odm gear

[sharp saddle]

#avatar-search-old

[vocal shard]

Does anyone know a good vr horror map on the quest

[unreal verge]

what

What do you mean by that?

[vocal shard]

thanks i did not even know that existed

[patent python]

Why doesn’t vrchat have settings for render distance,anti aliasing, or vsync, or texture quality?

[fiery dragon]

theres a lot of user generated content so texture quality would be kind of a strange concept

[dark vale]

Can crasher crash my Vrchat? I have everything disabled.

you can´t its not humanly possible my friend

[patent python]

Ok that makes sense, but stuff like vsync should be a normal in game setting

[dark vale]

you can eat my IP adress, fill my bin with all icons and stuff on my desktop, but you can´t crash my vrchat

I am sitting duh

oh hes gone

byebye mr wesley crusher

[cold quiver]

excuse me, Wesley crusher is the best character in star trek

[dark vale]

tell it to someone who knows what Star Trek is.

[ruby needle]

There is some settings, hold shift when launching the game

There is 3 presets, anti aliasing is one of the things with em

Texture quality with user made content... doesn't work

[vocal shard]

hey everybody!

[muted wharf]

[patent python]

Why aren’t there custom settings instead of just the presets? I don’t have a problem with the presets but it would be nice to be able to run on lower settings and still have vsync so I don’t see screen tearing

[ruby needle]

vsync/framerate limitation is default

to 90fps tho

you can change that with a launch parameter to what ever framerate you need

[patent python]

Launch parameter?

[vocal shard]

[ruby needle]

--fps=60

for example

[patent python]

But where would I go to put that in?

[ruby needle]

Launch parameter

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2089335141

[unreal verge]

If you use Oculus then rip i guess

[ruby needle]

Sadly.

[unreal verge]

I use these ones: -force-d3d11 -no-singlethreaded -force-feature-level-9-3 -nolog

[ruby needle]

Kinda wanted to make a proxy application.
Have Oculus launch my custom eyxcutable, and that launches VRChat with what ever parameter's it got plus what ever you custom set

Because you cannot launch with a normal shortcut... cus Oculus passes on some data that the oculus build seems to need.

At least it just closes if you try to launch it directly

[uncut trail]

vrchat issues

[unreal verge]

Uh that's just unnecessary complicated

[uncut trail]

!online

[floral flax]

There are 37347 users in VRChat currently

[unreal verge]

I found a documention to optimize performance. Dunno how much that works though https://docs.google.com/document/d/1u6bBW2wRXsGiBViaHO7lOYL2SaFLhldCUdAYonHYSlw/edit

Lots of stuff in there

[ruby needle]

oh no

not that one

[rancid jewel]

whats wrong with that one

[ruby needle]

You, should have been here during certain times.

👀

the batchfile suggest a priority of 128 for VRC (High) which is a very bad idea, never should a game run on high priority

this user made this for some person to run the game, in desktop mode, on a crappy laptop

[solar temple]

Hey! 😊 What are some good worlds to make adult (non-screaming children/toothbrushes) friends?

I am new-ish to VR Chat, so any suggestions are welcome!

[ruby needle]

The highest you want anything to run, that isn't critical is above normal.
Specifically when you are usign VR you dont want your game to be on level with your tracking and VR background software (the important one i mean)
But the user didn't wanna understand that

If you do not understand why prioritizing exists, and how things on the system work then you absolutely should not make a guide including things like that.
Especially not as a generalised solution, which the guide is structured like.

[dark vale]

Just A b club

[unreal verge]

The launch obtains are at least good to know

[dark vale]

FBT heaven

[uncut trail]

server lagging so badly

[calm drum]

How do I use someone for using a client?

Report

[ruby needle]

https://help.vrchat.com

Top right.

Indluce a detailed description, your output log and other conclusive proof.

[dark vale]

FPaul. do you know the function on the vrchat.com that lets you jump into the world by link?

[ruby needle]

Why.... are you asking?

Most people do.

[dark vale]

This could help the people from quest who got stuck when loading the game "Infinite loading"

don´t you think?

[ruby needle]

No

The launch option is basically starting the game with the set path of that world instead of the home world, so you could just restart the game instead.

And the second one is invite your self, which wont work cus the users are in a loading screen.

[dark vale]

that´s bad. Nwm It won´t help anyone

[unreal verge]

I wonder how much worlds will be gone in the future due to the new coming Quest avatar limitations

Since mostly/only very poor isn't allowed in Quest worlds anymore

[fading yacht]

ya, nice server status page, that is what we need

[vocal shard]

If I know someones Oculus ID, the long string of numbers, can that info somehow be used to find a GPS location or the Facebook account linked to it?

Not trying to break ToS

[unreal verge]

Not that i know of

That was only a thing with steam back then

[vocal shard]

I Hate Being A Pc Player

[unreal verge]

Why

[vocal shard]

i cant move my hands

I'm trying to help a person that's doing self harm and currently passed out but we can't get info from them or find out where they are.

[fading yacht]

i dont know much about oculus, but it seem like not for me, since the id might just for account identification, like the discord ID

[vocal shard]

That's Not Good

It's bad, real bad.

oh no

It's myself and 2 other people with them at the moment, one of us knows someone who might be able to IP track but of course that doesn't give an exact location

Someone from another realm was able to peek his visor and confirmed some info for us but things have escalated since then.

I'm 5 Years Old || TOTALLY||

[vocal shard]

how do i use custom animations?

[tough goblet]

hi

[prime lagoon]

ok not does anyone know what causes the sound glitch cos its annoying thehell outta me now

[uncut trail]

im still encounting loading lag n friends not refreshing

[uncut trail]

same

[vocal shard]

!online

[floral flax]

There are 24048 users in VRChat currently

[pliant harbor]

!online

[vocal shard]

Hiiii

no

so my status in vrc says im offline and i can't change it to green orange or red

[uncut trail]

its glitched

[vocal shard]

anyone want to play😋

[shrewd edge]

@fresh osprey #rules #5

[vocal shard]

a restart of vrc should fix it? a friend of mine had the same issue yesterday

[fresh osprey]

Oh no it’s not in the discord it’s on the game @shrewd edge

[shrewd edge]

Same

Please go through the rules again, read #moderation-reports and report as described there

[vocal shard]

Oof I never seen user offline, I’ve seen online but they aren’t actually online.

[shrewd edge]

Status stuck in offline is a known issue: https://feedback.vrchat.com/bug-reports/p/status-changed-to-offline

[vocal shard]

anyone want to play

yah mate im down to play#

OK

I ADD U

@vocal shard my username is ImPooRLol

join call

[slate rune]

hello, there's no system for check the percentage of utilisation ?

[vocal shard]

Hoping to get as much info as possible for this one, but...
Will removing and republishing a world to Community Labs negatively affect its ability to graduate to a public world? It has over 1,000 visits but is still in Labs.

I'm considering taking it down to polish it more, then publish it to Labs again. Will this negatively affect my chances at coming out of Labs?

[slate rune]

VRChat is a "art game" if you want Labs -> Normal

you need to create something better than a simple world with a plate and cube

[vocal shard]

It is though

VRChat is a "art game" if you want Labs -> Normal
@slate rune
Don't understand

[slate rune]

don't understand what ?

[vocal shard]

What you meant

[slate rune]

mean what ?

VRChat is a game for artist, expand possibility, expand imagination

[vocal shard]

What you said it doesn't make sense. What? Are you asking me to tell you that my world is more complex than that? It features a video player. Adjustable chairs. A fireplace. Ambient sounds and rain/thunder. It's a nice chill out world where I've had tons of my friends come by just to have fun. No reports. I've had worlds that have gotten less attention get published way faster.

I'm asking if unpublishing it will reset that progress or not

[slate rune]

I don't know your world, you tell us only "you create world, there's only 1000visits, how can pass lab to normal"

[dull root]

So anyone who wants to record a video within the next week send me a dm so we can sort it out, also please check out my YouTube and tiktok @nepsifym

[vocal shard]

no ads here

[grave haven]

Is "Status stuck in online" an issue? API currently lists me as online, but pretty sure client is closed. At work so can't check, but API also reports my home world is empty.

[latent crane]

oh mines the opposite it says im offline when im clearly on lol

[late void]

Idk about progress, but No it shouldn't affect it in a negative way?. But I have bad news for you. If you're at 1k views and if it's been in labs longer than 2 weeks I'm sorry to say this but I think it will be there forever.

[cinder elk]

how about instead of threatening world takedown for people with very poor quest avatar worlds u could like give ppl vrc+ who consistently make popular poor or better ranked quest avatars? definitely makes me wanna actually make it poor as opposed to being threatened to get my world taken down, that just makes me not wanna make quest compatible avatars

[vocal shard]

then don't make them
maybe they will find something better when they notice that there is less and less Quest compatible avatars

[cold dome]

I wish there was a headset that's worth it.

I want my Oddy+ back. $190 brand new w/ OLED.

How can I ever beat that now. Controllers weren't great though

I mean they tracked ok but I want to move my fingers like real life

That's what gives me the immersion

[unreal verge]

Or they stop to enforce it and don't take worlds down anymore. I bet 95% of creators won't give a shit and either

• take the avatar pedestals in the Quest version down
• don't do anything at all

[vocal shard]

@unreal verge

[unreal verge]

?

[sharp galleon]

Lol imagine pinging someone for no reason out of spite just because they replied to you with a ping

[vocal shard]

it's out of politeness
It's extremely rude to not give back the pings you get, maybe he will need it later on
Imagine assuming things for other people, smh my head

[leaden shell]

how do i mute the loading music?

[void field]

I believe it's in the settings menu. You can also disable the go button

[leaden shell]

k

thank you

[rancid jewel]

it is my birthday today
epic

[void field]

Happy birthday

[rancid jewel]

thank youy

[twin fractal]

[deft wyvern]

happy day

[rancid jewel]

thank you

[weary oriole]

Habby bardday

[vocal shard]

oh yes yes yes birthday boy

[rancid jewel]

very epical 😎

[hexed raven]

My birthday is tomorrow pog

[vocal shard]

ayo nice, happy early birthday

[hexed raven]

Ty

[rancid jewel]

happy early birthday alpha

[opaque jewel]

So a bribe or extortion? 🤔

"Hey I make crappy worlds and avatars on purpose. If you give me VRC+, then I might consider optimizing"

Good idea, wrong target

[twin fractal]

how about they support the people who aren't releasing constant garbage instead

[cinder elk]

As apposed to "hey you arent doing free work for us we will remove your world from search"

Also theres no consider

[umbral reef]

Lets be real, even if your producing 'free content' your harming the game by dragging down everyone performance without anyone realizing it.

[twin fractal]

this

[opaque jewel]

I don't see the logic in this. It's like giving candy to a child that is throwing a tantrum just to have them behave.

[rancid jewel]

yes

[umbral reef]

A reward might work, but people will try to push them a lot harder to get it. And im sure the team isnt in the mood to get yelled at for 'not giving VRC+ fairly to people!!!!'

[opaque jewel]

It would be better as well as make sense if you reward players who make optimized avatars and worlds consistently enough

But even then, bad idea.

[twin fractal]

Make a good avatar world. Submit it. Get evaluated and get rewarded.

[vocal shard]

bet im gonna make a bunch of different colored cubes and make it a world

[lyric spindle]

'

[twin fractal]

an improvement

[vocal shard]

🟥🟧🟨

[opaque jewel]

Players would be expecting rewards when the reward should be that you manage to create a nice optimized world that people come to check out and maybe even favorite or an avatar for a person uses.

[vocal shard]

they would have to define a flat standard to get the vrc+ awards or else they will get yelled at for unfair rewarding

maybe 10k views on your world and you get vrc+ or som

[opaque jewel]

It's easier to not reward the player and just provide help and ways to improve/optimize worlds and avatars.

[noble depot]

bots

[opaque jewel]

Rewards in general tend to get manipulated and abused. That's just human nature. Someone will try to go the mile with it and ruin a good thing.

[potent fern]

I dont think creators are looking for "rewards". Creators just want people to enjoy the game and make people happy when using their work.

[opaque jewel]

Also you can enjoy VRChat without Discord Nitro VRC+. Not like anything is paywalled 👀

[noble depot]

A heckin' lot of avatars can be brought up to Poor or above with some optimization (atlassing, combining meshes, decimation, dynamic bone reductions with rotation constraints, etc) but people don't do it, which leads to the infamous performance of the Quest version of VRChat
I think what the devs are doing is a p heckin' good step to improving that, rewards aren't necessary o:

[hard burrow]

I use VRC+ because I want to support the game. Also, I like the fact that User Icons support transparent .png backgrounds. So my logo looks nice in-game.

[vocal shard]

I mean these creators know about CATS right?

[noble depot]

also yus, VRC+ is itself just a donation to the devs, at it's core

[neat ferry]

Not gonna lie y'all, these kids in pub worlds are wild.

[umbral reef]

Kids are always shit tbh

[vocal shard]

99% fs

[neat ferry]

Don't get me wrong, i love all people equally. But most of 'em feel like they own the place.

[hard burrow]

Not all kids are bad. Just lots of them have bad behavior.

[neat ferry]

I'm just vibing around as a desktop, while this kid came up and said that we desktop players are ruining the whole game/fun

[umbral reef]

I do lots of charity work with kids, they are amazing but for real, kids are toxic and shit
Even the nice ones are deep down shitters

Just how kids be

[hard burrow]

They just don't know better.

until they become Adults.

[neat ferry]

I played VRchat for like 3-4 years as a proud desktop player, i think they just superior because they have arms or something.

But i pay no mind, I mean it's kids.

[opaque jewel]

10 Optimization Tips Tupper Doesn't Want You To Know About:

1. Stop using dynamic bones on your 300 bone count dress, 45 bone count butt, and 37 bone count boobs. 👀

[vocal shard]

lmao proud

[neat ferry]

I had fun, man.

That's all. 😄

[rancid jewel]

2 trillion poly catgirl

[neat ferry]

I don't want to start arguments/trouble in this place, so y'all have a nice day in there.

[hard burrow]

I attempted to make an Avatar I bought to be Quest-compatible, but not optimized for it. I know nothing about 3D modeling so I don't know how to remap to single textures.

[neat ferry]

Take care of yerselves, stay hydrated.

[vocal shard]

Oh yes water

But for real I feel like avatar creators dont know what the CATS blender plugin is

[hard burrow]

I mean, I don't really care if my Avatar is blocked by default, but it's "there" in case another person of a mutual friend I have is on Quest.

[opaque jewel]

And you're in a server of +40,000 players who can likely help you in every language known to man including but not limited to Klingon, Moonspeak, Albed, and Braile.

Whether you get the help or not is entirely up to the player

[hard burrow]

Haha!

But in seriousness, sometimes the Avatars I wear use different AV3 layers and I'm still too lazy to try and downsize that cuz I have no idea what that would like to Quest users.

[noble depot]

check out CATS blender plugin! the Bake feature can atlas for you and make a Quest-decimated version of your avatar c:

also, #3d-modeling can def help if you get stuck or need/want help too!

[opaque jewel]

I feel like being a smartass and making a cardboard cutout/standup of my avatar for Quest and Fallback avatar.

[hard burrow]

Nice, I'll have to check it out. Thanks!

[noble depot]

lol yw! c:

[vocal shard]

I mean at least if you legit make it look like a standup cardboard cutout it be funny

[opaque jewel]

I can easily do that is the sad part 👀

[vocal shard]

some people I talked to were thinking of making a 2d loop animated sprite of their avatar

[opaque jewel]

Fun to do

[vocal shard]

time to decimate my avatar for quest its literally 21k polys I just need to cut off a thousand and a few

[ruby trellis]

Lack of diversity is disappointing, but fun place regardless

[vocal shard]

diversity as in?

[ruby trellis]

Sure I'm getting on vrchat in a little while

[ruby trellis]

Quest for avatars, I've searched heaven an hell for my skin tone for quest but unfortunately I'm gonna have to adjust it myself, thought the maybe at least one of the default characters would be similar but unfortunately not even close :/

[vocal shard]

nah you might end up just making your own

I just did that with vroid but jsyk to accomodate for the horrible mobile toon shader affect run your skin textures through a pink tinter

you will know what I mean when you try

[harsh ravine]

how can i turn the camera so that i can see my skin without having VR ?

[leaden shell]

sometimes the game doesn't show the Go! button so i gotta alt F4

[noble depot]

I don't think you can (unless you have a Unity camera on your avatar) but you could use a mirror o:

[vocal shard]

dont think you can take second or third person pictures by yourself on desktop

[harsh ravine]

oh ok

[vocal shard]

yeah mirror is your best bet

[viral wyvern]

Does anyone know how I create a world and how I add my avatar to it, so that other people can use it? I want to do this so that they knew that I am the creator of the avatar.

[noble depot]

#world-development - download SDK3-Worlds or SDK2 and add a scene descriptor to a new project, then add an avatar pedestal prefab (included in the SDK), and put your avatar's ID into that c:

[ruby trellis]

Oh man I'm gonna have to have to youtube for this, I'm scared I'mma mess something up LOL

[viral wyvern]

Ok

[cinder elk]

Avatars can be hidden based on performance rank and size you realise that right

[cinder elk]

No, its like giving candy to a child that already is behaving

[umbral reef]

I do but shitting out bad performing content wont improve the game at all

Almost all content is so badly made currently that you can pick between seeing avatars or having shit frames
Thats something that should not be a decision people have to make

[cinder elk]

I agree with this, but they don't currently and dont seem to plan to provide any help other than 'needs less polygons'

[noble depot]

^
not to menton that a heckin' ton of avatars can be brought up to Poor or higher with some optimization, yeah

[cinder elk]

I feel like punishing people puts them off making avatars all together

[vocal shard]

They should really expose more people to the CATS plugin legit that other dude didnt even know how useful it is for optimization

[umbral reef]

Lets be fair, if you make content that shit, you kinda should not do it

Not everyone should make content that everyone can use

[cinder elk]

How is putting people off making avatars a good thing

[umbral reef]

If it means people that actually care about others keep making it? Then how isnt it

[cinder elk]

Not everyone will be like 'i wont be punished ill make a good avatar'

[umbral reef]

The same 20 uploads of the same kitbashed or Vroid avatar wont improve the game if they still tank performance

[cinder elk]

Its gonna push everyone away from making avatars, not just the people bad at making avatars

[umbral reef]

Anyone that makes special or interesting things makes them already optimized enough
Its at times harder to make a non MMD or alike model to perform badly.

[noble depot]

If someone's pumping out Very Poor Quest avatars and doesn't have any intent of optimizing them, then yeah frankly they probably shouldn't be
If they simply don't know how though, that's more understandable - def point them towards CATS, Nara's Unity tools, etc!

[umbral reef]

Your argument has been thrown around since literally day one, people will always upload, just the group that does will change.

[noble depot]

also note that this doesn't affect PC only avatars whatsoever, only Very Poor Quest/Quest compatible avatars

[umbral reef]

Man, id fucking wish they did the same to PC avatars

[potent fern]

if they dont make avatar thats fine too because of the new fallback feature.

[cinder elk]

Which is just gonna make people not wanna make their avatars quest compatible

[opaque jewel]

Your logic is that I can sit here and upload crappy avatars and worlds until VRChat devs step in and be like "Daemon, we'll give you VRC+ if you upload an optimized avatar or world".

[umbral reef]

Bruh, they aint making it quest compatible already 🙏

They just upload there already very poor on PC avatar staight onto the quest

[rancid jewel]

hello fellow vr chatters

[umbral reef]

And it wont impact those avatars at all as it only impacts worlds

[cinder elk]

I never even said that. If you read my message i said consistently making optimised avatars

[opaque jewel]

"how about instead of threatening world takedown for people with very poor quest avatar worlds u could like give ppl vrc+ who consistently make popular poor or better ranked quest avatars? definitely makes me wanna actually make it poor as opposed to being threatened to get my world taken down, that just makes me not wanna make quest compatible avatars"

[potent fern]

I dont think im gonna see an actual Quest creator get put off by that decision.

[cinder elk]

Yes thats what i said

Whats your point

[opaque jewel]

You need to revise what you say then 👀

[cinder elk]

what did i say that gave you that impression

do you know what the word consistently means

[vocal shard]

good 'ol times when avatars world had actually quality control

[cinder elk]

and i never said they would step in and ask that, it would be more of them being like "hey you made alot of good popular optimised avatars, so we decided to gift a month of vrc+" or whatever

[vocal shard]

now you get garbage shared around

3k dyn bones model made public

[noble depot]

Basic optimization really isn't that hard either - atlassing the model with CATS, combining meshes in Blender instead of tacking them on in Unity, automatically making a Quest-decimated version of the avatar with the Bake function, etc

[opaque jewel]

Optimization is nowhere near difficult.

[umbral reef]

Im still holding on my stance that adding cloning and removing the requirement for avatar worlds to be well performing was the biggest mistake VRC made @vocal shard

[noble depot]

Rewarding people for making Poor avatars would not go well, not to mention the possibility of bots

[umbral reef]

You felt the performance go down each week after that

[vocal shard]

definitely did
along with the rank system (that's basically hidden now)

[umbral reef]

Yea, that shit was stupid too

[cinder elk]

how will that not go well? also, how will bots be an issue if it's manual review, which it should be, i also said popular

[vocal shard]

but yeah, I don't think I ever managed to reach 40 fps in public consistently since they stopped quality controls

[noble depot]

They'd have to agree on what criteria people need to meet in order to get VRC+, which people will complain about

[opaque jewel]

People love them dynamic bones

[umbral reef]

I got my current PC before that those changes happened, literally managed to get 90FPS in most public lobbies, it was stuck at 45 a month after the change and ever since then it be a big gamble on what im getting

[cinder elk]

and people aren't gonna complain about getting their worlds removed from search????

[unreal verge]

The only avatar i have that is very poor is my private one which i usually only use in private instances. Everything else is on PC and on Quest

[vocal shard]

they mostly like colliders

[noble depot]

not to mention that the mere act of giving VRC+, which is in itself just meant to be a donation, would likely inflame the community as well

[cinder elk]

i feel like way more people will complain about that than the criteria for getting vrc+

[vocal shard]

usually the dyn bone script is "fine"

but the dyn bone collision is the big problem

I have like 20 dyn bones for my hair and thats all

[noble depot]

It won't be done automatically, they'll be contacted first to either optimize the offending avatars in the world or otherwise remove them first

[cinder elk]

and you're saying no one will complain about that

[vocal shard]

using 20 colliders for every script to try and prevent clipping (It never works) and you get avatars with 3k to 5k collisions checks

1 avatar is enough to tank your frames and those type of models are everywhere and public

[noble depot]

If they have no intention of optimizing/removing their avatars, their world gets hidden from search
I never said that, I'm just saying that frankly they'll have a lot of chances to not get their world hidden

[opaque jewel]

Why am I starting to feel as if this dude just wants free VRC+ 👀

[umbral reef]

Oh no kitbash avatar world 200 gets removed 😱 the horror!

[vocal shard]

I just increase the stiffness ion if there is a way to stop the clipping without taking a massive chunk of perf

[cinder elk]

if you're logic to not giving vrc+ and rewarding them is that people will complain, it makes no sense since people will complain more if they get punished

[unreal verge]

I only have 2 colliders in my avatars. One in each hand.

[umbral reef]

Your stolen content from another video game that 20 other people also uploaded cant be searched for anymore 😱 The horror!

[noble depot]

might wanna check out https://github.com/Naraenda/NarasUnityTools to reduce the amount of DB transforms! o:

[vocal shard]

I could probably just make one at the root of all my hair

[opaque jewel]

I hate to see "Generic Box with Mirror Chill and Avatars Now with Pool Table" get taken down.

[umbral reef]

That would count as a warcrime Deamon

[unreal verge]

I've 6 dynamic bones and 2 colliders. Sdk doesn't notices that for some reason though. Says still 0 colliders lol

[vocal shard]

that only works if you use similar bone chains

[merry minnow]

Honestly on that, ever since that became popular it feels like literally every world has a pool table now

[vocal shard]

and the colliders actually work ingame?

[unreal verge]

Yes the colliders too

[noble depot]

People will complain regardless, but giving out free VRC+ (a donation to the devs that isn't supposed to be much more than that) will get a notably more hostile amount of complaining, rather than just offering for people to optimize their avatars and removing their world from search if they deny

[potent fern]

I think you are overestimating the reaction from it. I have seen some other people say something similar to you but those people all seem to not be actual creators and are not gonna get affected by it anyway.

[vocal shard]

update your sdk

[umbral reef]

It do be damn fun to use
For sure now that within the beta you can have more then one table active at the same time

[unreal verge]

I use the beta already

[opaque jewel]

Better than having to pay VRChat $8 just to upload content to their platform.

Least you can do is optimize.

[unreal verge]

But i don't mind it not showing colliders in stats. I know I've only 2 of them.

[cinder elk]

tf made u think that will give more complaining? how will a reward get more complaining than a threat. Also if vrc+ is suposed to be a 'donation to the devs' why is it advertised so much in vrc and why is there multiple things that you don't get without it? it is a product, not a donation. They are selling a service.

[vocal shard]

because money good?

[cinder elk]

what

[vocal shard]

If it wasn't for the extra favorite slots id say its just donation lol

[unreal verge]

I don't even use all my favorites lol

Not after i made my own avatars

[opaque jewel]

Unless you have more than 25 favorite avatars, there's not really any reason to get VRC+ besides supporting the devs.

[vocal shard]

pretty much yeah I only use like mine and a few others

[cinder elk]

invite images, user icons, also i feel like alot of people want more favourites

[opaque jewel]

You already get 100 though.

[cinder elk]

you get something from paying for it, hence, it is a purchase of a product or service

[unreal verge]

I just upload as much as i want and can exceed 25 avatars without paying a cent

[cinder elk]

yes, with vrc+

[vocal shard]

even if you wanted more slots you could just make your own avatar world with all the avatars you used

you dont need to own an avatar to get the id btw

[opaque jewel]

Why would you want more than 100 slots?

[unreal verge]

Big brain time

[rancid jewel]

in the case i ever so happen to favorite every avatar ever

[cinder elk]

you don't get 100 slots unless you pay

[opaque jewel]

Im aware of this already. 👀

[opaque jewel]

When you just want to sit in Generic Box World all day and swap between over 100 avatars.

[rancid jewel]

yes

[vocal shard]

the only time you should pack in a million dynamic bones is if your making a shirtless twomad avatar to accurately illustrate his man boob movements

[rancid jewel]

"goodnight babe, i'll see you tomorrow." death

[noble depot]

people will complain about not getting free VRC+ even though they fit (or think they fit) the criteria, which will result in complaining - plus the effort of giving free VRC+ to every avatar creator who's made a Poor or higher Quest avatar would be interesting lol

[unreal verge]

Free VRC+ for me then i guess

[noble depot]

last thing I'll say is that I think the system they're doing is fine, and the threat of having your world removed from search is enough incentive to optimize o:

[cinder elk]

again, i didn't say every, i said consistently, and it would be reviewed. and again... people will complain about worlds getting removed!

[opaque jewel]

Hell, 90% of the community wouldn't get VRC+ then.

[frosty veldt]

Rewarding certain people would always result in unrest since everyone would think they meet the criteria even when they don't

[potent fern]

complaining about removal will be waaay less

[cinder elk]

there doesn't even need to be a criteria

[cinder elk]

definitely not

[opaque jewel]

Not really unless the world the person made was good to begin with.

[cinder elk]

what?

[potent fern]

you know any creators that have a problem with it?

[vocal shard]

we dont know till we try I guess

[cinder elk]

me, all my friends who create stuff...

[opaque jewel]

Just optimize.

[potent fern]

Is you and your friend part of the people who create badly optimized avatars?

[cinder elk]

no, i just wont make quest compatible avatar worlds

[potent fern]

well thats what we want so its a win win

[cinder elk]

you want less worlds and creators in vrc

[opaque jewel]

Then optimize.

[cinder elk]

what?

[rancid jewel]

[frosty veldt]

I mean this is how worlds were curated in the past anyways 🤷‍♂️

[opaque jewel]

I know if I go to a world I want it to be worthwhile and good performance-wise.

[potent fern]

less creator with badly optimized avatar? yes, I want that. ( because in the end, you will always get new creators that WILL create optimized content

[cinder elk]

no one's gonna try making optimized content or any content at all if they're being threatened to get their world removed

[unreal verge]

I think i have to learn Blender soon. I just got lucky that the community of my avatars is active and i found a Quest optimized base with either 1 material or 3 materials. I went with 3 materials as this lets me use my textures i own without any complications.

[opaque jewel]

Doubt it. You either learn to optimize like any game developer would or you stop making games.

[cinder elk]

people don't start off making amazingly optimised good avatars, they learn it. If someone tries making an avatar and it shows up in the sdk as very poor, they may end up just giving up making avatars in general

[opaque jewel]

That's correct, but you learn

[potent fern]

Thats not true.. we already have people making optimized content. and the fact that you CAN upload non optimized content is already something that should not be a thing

[cinder elk]

people can't 'learn to optimise' if they can't even learn to make something unoptimised

[noble depot]

also to clarify, world's aren't being removed, just hidden from search - you can likely still drop portals to them, people could likely see it from your profile, and anyone who favorited it can still visit the world

[potent fern]

Making something optimized from the start is already something you can do.

[unreal verge]

Private should be fine though. Would be a real bummer if i can't use my private avatars that have actually nice features in them.

[potent fern]

as long as you know the limitations from the start, people will build based on that

[opaque jewel]

You make something, it's not optimized, VRC tells you what needs to be optimized, you either fix it or come onto Discord to complain and not fix it. Simple as that.

[rancid jewel]

[cinder elk]

also are any of the other quest rank limits being changed or is it just polygons??

[rancid jewel]

brb finding the image

[noble depot]

currently it's polygons, but might be other changes later

[potent fern]

i think its just polygons from the image i saw

[rancid jewel]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/693931930646872178/823252993214119946/1qvUKGpT9jCPZGivo4whkkQ.png

[unreal verge]

My Quest avis are below 5k polys

[ruby needle]

*avas

[vocal shard]

I'm so happy for this update. I was hoping for this

[unreal verge]

Avis sounds better, sry

[ruby needle]

But it's not Aviatar

[noble depot]

if my avatar has aviators would it be an aviatar

[opaque jewel]

But yeah, it's not a first strike you're out thing. It's they give you feedback and you work on it. Just like any normal creator would do.

[unreal verge]

Only thing that makes my avatars are the 3 materials

[ruby needle]

No, it's an avatar with aviators

[opaque jewel]

It's like a video game. Who's gonna play your game if it'a crap?

[ruby needle]

So an ava with avi's

[noble depot]

heck lmao

[vocal shard]

avis does sound better ion why

[opaque jewel]

Hell.. Look at No Man's Sky. 👀

[unreal verge]

If my Quest avatars would only use 2 or 1 material then they could be or

[cinder elk]

it basically is though, they remove the world from search if you cant work on it in (unspecified amount of time) which is then a 'you're out', and idk what they're gonna do if you optimise the avatars after getting the world taken down

[potent fern]

Personally I have made avatars for quest and this updates makes me want to optimized them better because it is now easier to do so.

[flat girder]

Does anyone know a never have i ever map for quest

[rancid jewel]

try searching for never have i ever in worlds

[cinder elk]

room of rain has one in

[opaque jewel]

Then you optimize and reupload.

[flat girder]

Thanks

[unreal verge]

I just optimized my avatars within the first 6 hours after the announcement

[vocal shard]

octo on the grind

[cinder elk]

then that removes it from all favourites and stuff and is worse than hiding the world from search as it's basically deleted

[noble depot]

updating an avatar doesn't remove it from favorites o:

[opaque jewel]

What Zuvali said.

[noble depot]

updating the world wouldn't either - you'd presumably just contact Support and say that you optimized your world, and they'd take another look at it

[glad heron]

is there a reason why i am being spam disconnected with the message "unusual client behavior" i have no clients or mods installed.

[unreal verge]

Logout and login again

[cinder elk]

they said reupload, and im on about worlds, and you would have to upload it under a different blueprint id, otherwise it would still be removed from search

[glad heron]

i have multiple times

[potent fern]

Im in the process of setting up a new world with avatars so its already my goal to have it Quest optimized from the start.

[cinder elk]

presumably

[unreal verge]

Tried reinstalling?

[noble depot]

That error tends to be caused by bad connectivity/packet loss issues - try restarting your router and disabling your VPN/changing it's connected location if you're using one o:
also, changing DNS servers helped another user! c:

[glad heron]

i use DNS server of cloudflare i think

[unreal verge]

Try googles

[opaque jewel]

Who said anything about changing the pipeline. You just reupload your optimized version of your content.

[cinder elk]

and the contents still removed from search

[noble depot]

I say presumably because the update isn't live yet lol, we don't know how it'll be handled just yet - from my experience VRChat support is vv nice though, and would very likely just take another look at your world if you requested so

[opaque jewel]

Then you complain.

Could make a damn flow chart at this rate

[cinder elk]

what?

so there is literally no insentive to make the world or avatars optimised after getting it removed from search is what you're saying

[lavish crown]

What's the debug key combo for vrc again? It's ` + right shift right?

[unreal verge]

Just don't even let it happen. If you can't manage it in time take down the pedestals in the meantime from the Quest version

[potent fern]

We dont know whats gonna be the process for that so not used in getting all up in arms about it just yet.

[opaque jewel]

Seems like you're the kind of person who simply gives up then. Can't help you there.

[noble depot]

If you value your work and want people to be able to use your avatars, that's a pretty heckin' big incentive in my opinion o:
not to mention that you'll be contacted to optimize or remove your avatars from the affected world before they'll hide it from search

[cinder elk]

ofc im gonna give up if there is literally nothing i can do to put my world back up on the search without making a different world and having all the favourites and stuff not work

[noble depot]

honestly worst case scenario, you'd have to remove the Very Poor quest avatars and just optimize them when you have the time, then reupload them

[opaque jewel]

What Zuvali said once more.

[unreal verge]

Just do this. No loss.

[surreal crypt]

the incentive is letting me run aabove 24 fps

[potent fern]

and like the announcement said, they will only go to the most popular worlds where most of them are very poor. Are you even gonna be affected by that?