vrchat-general-2

[vestal pier]

the future is wild, we never really know what we will figure out about ourselves and where tech is headed.

[vocal shard]

also bcichat when

[velvet gull]

I'd personally be more than satisfied with the type of VR in ready player one.

Full body realistic haptic suits that actually recreate touch accurately.

[umbral reef]

It better be without those shitty adds and tracking

[vestal pier]

ads and tech are one in the same.

[finite steppe]

The concept of privacy is already dead, so you better believe that's what it'll turn into.

[velvet gull]

If it gets to the point where we start seeing ads in our dreams, I stg

[vestal pier]

data is the biggest industry in the world 🙃

[vocal shard]

calm down mark

[velvet gull]

💀

[umbral reef]

Thats why im happy workingin the industry that i do.
Making robots and healthcare stuff is all without tracking because its plain illegal to do so

[vocal shard]

the forbidden data even mark cannot get a hold of

[umbral reef]

Depends what country you live in 👀

[velvet gull]

Must foam at the mouth whenever he's within 100m of a lab.

[vocal shard]

😆

[finite steppe]

Personally, if you ask me. I don't think a fully digital alternate reality like you guys are talking about is ever going to become a thing.

[velvet gull]

Welp, we can hope

[finite steppe]

At least, not before something happens that causes all the worlds tech to be destroyed, like a massive scale war or something.

[noble depot]

Projecting directly to the eye is already a thing, to an extent

[velvet gull]

really?

[umbral reef]

At the same time, i totally believe it will.
But being a big MMORPG fan and seeing how much people praise mediocrity and slow progress when it comes to 'big big things' and pushing limits. I do get your vibe

[ruby needle]

You can already buy retina projection displays

[vocal shard]

subsonic u planning something?

[ruby needle]

Like the Avgant Glyph

[noble depot]

Avegant Glyph o:
don't know how well it works lol, but it's interesting

heck FPaul was faster

[ruby needle]

It's decent for what it is.

Tho, obviously quite a niche thing

[finite steppe]

What are you implying?

I'm just theory crafting over here.

[vocal shard]

@finite steppe
At least, not before something happens that causes all the worlds tech to be destroyed, like a massive scale war or something.

[velvet gull]

That's it, in order to achieve the true virtual reality, we must start a war.

[vocal shard]

u planning something my dude?

[velvet gull]

Jk don't bash pls

[finite steppe]

No no no no, that's not what i meant at all.

[vocal shard]

😂

[umbral reef]

Suuree 👀

[vocal shard]

fbi is like owo wats dat

[velvet gull]

Subsonics FBI agent havin' a field day

[vocal shard]

😍

[finite steppe]

I meant that there is a high chance that some big event would happen to impede the progress of such a monumental task.

[stable blade]

I love VR chat but I wish you could do more on the oculus quest

[finite steppe]

As in, it's too big of a project for it to be completed before something happens to cause it to be scrapped.

[velvet gull]

Mobile hardware gonna mobile

[umbral reef]

Really gotta yell at facebook for that you know

[vocal shard]

subsonic tries to retrace his words...
meanwhile his fbi agent:

[umbral reef]

Cant expect a lot for such a cheap headset thats mobile

[vocal shard]

https://tenor.com/view/traffic-fbi-open-up-raid-gif-13450966

[velvet gull]

Men in black gonna arrive any minute now.

[stable blade]

Well the only problem Facebook has is just avatars certain avatars you can’t see

[velvet gull]

No, thats not a facebook problem

It's the quests hardware that's a problem

[noble depot]

That's a hardware issue - the Quest is built on Android, and thus physically can't render PC-only content

[velvet gull]

It's not powerful enough.

And what zuvali said ^^^

[noble depot]

Not because it's not powerful enough strictly, rather it's just incompatible o:

gas in a diesel engine kinda thing

[finite steppe]

Why are you guys assuming I'm making threats? Can you not detect sarcasm? Or am i the one not detecting it...

[stable blade]

Thanks for letting me know I though something different the whole time

[velvet gull]

I mean, that's not entirely true considering majority of PC users struggle on the platform the content is built for too.

Lol

[vocal shard]

we are joking :D

[noble depot]

Ik lol, I just mean that the Quest can't display PC only content because it's incompatible, not because of processing power
laughs in 970M at 10fps

[finite steppe]

I figured. I think you can tell i don't get much social interaction...

[vocal shard]

nah fam its fine

[velvet gull]

Well that's why we're here right, for social interaction 😄

[umbral reef]

Sarcasm is hard over the internet anyways

[vocal shard]

true

sarcasm in text is like no please xd

[finite steppe]

At least, if you are being sarcastic without the /s

[vocal shard]

but via voice chat or vr is totally understandable and u can catch on

oh yeah i never knew what the /s dtanded for so i asked like 3weeks ago :D

[noble depot]

laughs in ingame mute

[vocal shard]

big boomer moments

[finite steppe]

I don't do well at defending myself in situations like that, when i try to back up my claims i just end up making myself look even more suspicious.

[vocal shard]

allright im finishing my lunch break at work. take care ppl and hf

cu

[velvet gull]

Gl with the rest of ur shift

lmao

[vocal shard]

i think u missed a f in there xd

[velvet gull]

nobody saw that typo ssshhhhh

[vocal shard]

hahahaha

[noble depot]

lmao

[velvet gull]

So, does anyone know what the SDK3 MIDI support is all about? Is it possible to manipulate world objects and such using MIDI inputs?

[noble depot]

yup!

[velvet gull]

oooooo

[noble depot]

It's only for Udon (SDK3 world scripting) and not avatars yet, though it's p heckin' cool from what I've seen in the patchnotes

[velvet gull]

I've always wondered if it was possible to have interactions with my DJ Controller recreated on a virtual world object version of it

[finite steppe]

That would probably be better asked in #udon-general though. Momo is almost always there to answer when new stuff comes out.

[velvet gull]

Ahh yeah, it's udon huh

[ruby needle]

theoretically possible, but you'll need a midi splitter of some sort

cus only one application can use a midi device at a time

[velvet gull]

Oh really? Didn't know that

[unreal verge]

Mmh i don't know what MIDI is, but it's not important for world creation for me anyways. I still use sdk2 for worlds i make.

[velvet gull]

Not currently using a MIDI output for it, operates via USB, but I'm assuming the same applies

[ruby needle]

Yes

It's a MIDI device on the PC

[finite steppe]

I really wish VRChat had text-chat in-game... I'm a huge introvert and don't like communicating with strangers using my voice, but for some reason text chat doesn't bother me.

[noble depot]

Communications protocol, usually used for musical instruments (keyboards, digital sustain pedals, etc) but is used in all kinds of stuff o:

[unreal verge]

I personally prefer sdk2 worlds performance wise. I tend to get bad FPS in UDON worlds especially if populated

[ruby needle]

A text chat sadly does not fit a VR game at all.

At least not in a common use as in a lobby chat.

There is some specific worlds with "integrated" variant's that are good and matched into the world.
But a general chat would be a big nono

[noble depot]

A couple worlds have options like that - VirtualFurence and Mute Chat both have text chats, and lots of worlds have markers in them o:
There's also VR sign language, which I'd recommend worlds like MrDummy's Sign And Fun for that o:

[velvet gull]

How would that work then? Does a Female to 2x male USB Splitter even exist?

[storm girder]

Jazzy I know you see this.

[unreal verge]

For example i can't go to Summer Solitude at all anymore without getting extremely bad performance. Before all the world updates it was running good.

[ruby needle]

You'll need to look up a midi app that can take your midi as input and then forward that to 2 virtual outputs

[unreal verge]

But since UDON that world is unplayable for me

UDON is nice feature wise but performance wise it just sucks

[plucky furnace]

Im tired of this game sending me to a 1 player room.

[noble depot]

What build are you on? o: (should be shown in the bottom-right of the menu)

[umbral reef]

Then check what lobby you are joining before you press the button?

[plucky furnace]

1061

[noble depot]

odd then o:

def make sure that the player count of the instance you're joining is above 1 or 2, but past that I'm not super sure what to suggest unfortunately

[plucky furnace]

9/10

[vocal shard]

I think its just reporting numbers from such a long time ago lmao

best bet is lobby hopping

[noble depot]

weird o:
Def try restarting the game to refresh the instances yeah, esp. if you've been running it a long time?

[unreal verge]

It's already a long time the way that instance numbers are usually outdated af

[noble depot]

Counting large amounts of numbers correctly is actually pretty hard, Tom Scott has a p good video on the subject o: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RY_2gElt3SA

[unreal verge]

I don't care that much about it. There are more important things that could be fixed.

[vocal shard]

server instability is foremost

[unreal verge]

False instance numbers are just a little inconvience at most

And yeah, server stability is probably on priority 1 i hope

[rancid jewel]

vrchat

[finite steppe]

@velvet gull Alright, I think you've convinced me to stick with team red on the CPU department. While the 3700X is out performed by the i7 10700 in gaming, it still pulls weight in productivity task. Plus i get a better upgrade path, unlike how Rocket Lake is kinda DoA and not worth upgrading to, if i go with the 3700X i can upgrade to a 5800X later on down the line.

[earnest badge]

My friend wants me to make them a baby brush avatar where do I download that from

[rancid jewel]

i use a 3700x

pretty good

[finite steppe]

I'm also considering just grabbing a 5600X instead, I'll lose a little bit of productivity performance, but gain back the gaming performance loss and then some. But at the same time, i really want an 8-core part for recording/streaming, so i can record and stream at the same time.

Zen 3 stock has been getting a lot better over the past couple weeks, so it looks like getting a hold of one of those is not going to be anywhere near as troublesome as i first thought.

[unreal verge]

I need cuddles

[distant rampart]

Steal them

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gpteLz4xUqk

[fathom python]

anybody got a crash when they change worlds ?

[vocal shard]

nagisa kaworu from neon genesis evangelion 👀

i’m jk it’s a joke maybe

maybe i want to

tbh i wish they would just kiss

lol

[rancid jewel]

steamn't

[static wave]

VRC won't let me log in 😦

[rancid jewel]

steams having issues

[old palm]

Check the #announcements Steam's having issues again.

[rancid jewel]

so you cant login through steam
try again later.

[static wave]

reeeeeeee

[rancid jewel]

prepare yourselves for the horde of people going "vrc wont let nmene log in throguhg steam"

[old palm]

lmao yepp happened last night too. I half don't blame them but when I came on here last night I read through chat first a little.

[static wave]

I logged in through vrc lol

I didn't wanna wait

[old palm]

Yeah I wanna merge my account but documentation on what's kept/lost is conflicting so idk

[leaden eagle]

Does anyone have a video on how to use custom avatars for Oculus Quest 2? i cant figure out how to do it

[rancid jewel]

you click on them

[leaden eagle]

No no, like not the avatars in the game. Like one you download

[rancid jewel]

if it says something along the lines of "bla bla bla its not on this platform get nae naed lmao" then you need to switch build version to android and publish the avatar again

there's tutorials on how to do that on youtube

[leaden eagle]

ok

[opal flicker]

Are there still any popular clubs?

[rancid jewel]

many

[opal flicker]

for example? I couldn't find any

only with like 20 people at all

[rancid jewel]

just B club is one

shits insane

im really glad to see it rise from 20 people in the community labs to now over 1,000

[opal flicker]

which one is the most popular one

[primal vine]

Random question, do people playing on Quest 2 not have access to all the worlds? There is an avatar world I keep getting suggested but it does not show up when searching the exact title inside VrChat on quest 2

[floral rock]

Quest users cannot see PC -only worlds, or PC-only avatars when playing You can plug your Quest into a compatible PC to fix that.

[rancid jewel]

thanks tupper

[rancid jewel]

just b club probably is

[noble depot]

The Quest physically can't render content that's made for the PC only, though yus you can use a link cable or Virtual Desktop to use your Quest with a VR-capable computer o:

[primal vine]

Ok thank you!

So if I play on the same account using VD to launch. And get an avatar that's PC only, what happens if say a few days later I'm somewhere else and launch vrchat from the quest, will my avatar just not appear?

[noble depot]

You'll appear as a robot, though PC players will be able to see you afaik

[primal vine]

Gotcha, thanks for the help

[noble depot]

yw! c:

[fathom python]

@old palm i merged my accounts, all y favorite world stayed and friendlist but my favorite avatar from steam did not follow

[silver python]

does anyone have the great pugs discord?

are we allowed to ask for that?

[rancid jewel]

there's a great pug discord??

[silver python]

apparently

been searching all over for it the owner has it tweeted that its in the world somewhere on a sign

[old palm]

Dang, see that's what I'm afraid of. My Steam account has a lot of stuff on it, and my VRC account has been lightly used, but I have a bunch of one-time avatars favorited on the Steam account that I don't know want to loose.

[fathom python]

what you could do is have a friend make a whole new account, give him your avatar, and then copy them back ? if that,s allowed

[silver python]

find a friend you trust to hang onto those when you merge and then have them let you clone them back

thats what i did for when i merged my account

[fathom python]

@old palm if you want, my vrchat account have no favorites, i could help with that ?

[old palm]

hmm, I could also have my Steam account and VRC accounts meet up (I've got spare hardware) and I could put all the avatars on the VRC account? Orr do the VRC account's favorites/friends/world playlists etc. get removed when merging?

Because if so then I can just make a 2nd Steam or VRC account and use that as an Avatar Mule of sorts.

Because that doesn't sound outside of TOS lmao

[fathom python]

@old palm for this i have no idea, all that i know is that my avatar disapeared, but not my worldplaylist and friends

[naive bluff]

Does anybody need to find an avatar cuz i can help

[old palm]

hmm alright. I think I'll make a backup VRC account, put all my Steam avatars on it and whatnot then merge my two real VRC & steam accounts.

[sharp saddle]

That's what #avatar-search-old is for.

[fathom python]

that sounds like a plan !

[naive bluff]

Ok I'm new to the server my bad

[old palm]

Nah didn't loose anything (yet). Just making sure I don't accidentally do it in the future. But ty!

[sharp saddle]

No worries.

Just letting you know.

[naive bluff]

alright just making sure

[fathom python]

ain't looking for avatars but for worlds XD trying to find a good sword art online world hah i checked a couple

also is anybody having issue when changing worlds on pc ?

[old palm]

When I invariably mess things up you guys will probably find me on here trying to put myself back together

[naive bluff]

My brother said he found a really good one i'll ask him

[fathom python]

i'm sure it'll be fine my dude ( or girl idk your gender)

[old palm]

*gamer lmao

[noble depot]

bit late lol, but it can take a couple hours for everything to merge over - if it's been a couple days though, def contact #vrchat-support o:

[old palm]

Yeah I've heard it takes a while. I think I'm gonna wait till the weekend is over to merge everything. That way when I'm out Monday it'll give me buffer time for things to fully transfer.

[fathom python]

oh awesome then i should get all my avatar back ?

[noble depot]

presumably! again def contact support if it takes more than a day or two though o:

[fathom python]

it's been only since the last time steam was down last night, i'll give it some time haha

[naive bluff]

anyone else so mad that quest users can't see pc avatars?

[slow wind]

Does anyone else always get the 2 secound Unity crash report every few minutes?

[naive bluff]

I did

[slow wind]

Desktop or VR Mode?

[naive bluff]

desktop

[noble depot]

The Quest physically can't render PC-only content, unfortunately - it's an Android-based headset

also, rule 15 o:

[fathom python]

yup, as soon as i try to change world

[naive bluff]

Hey there's something called virtual desktop

[slow wind]

Yea me too. I got this damn Crash Report every few minutes or everytime i open a Mirror or when someone spawn a fingerpointed ball animation.

[naive bluff]

and oculus link

[regal furnace]

you still need a vr capable PC

[noble depot]

Virtual Desktop/Oculus Link uses your computer's power to render the VR game, not the Quest's power

[naive bluff]

For virtual desktop not really

[slow wind]

I cant do nothing, just sitting around. If i move, crash.

[regal furnace]

especially with VD

[fathom python]

as soon as i try to change world, i just lag out and the game crash

[naive bluff]

I mean the thing is i tried it out with a gtx 1050ti which is i think incompatible

[old palm]

Based on current dev update it implies that your Steam avatar favorites won't transfer. But when the feature was first implemented in 2018 the original dev update said the opposite. So I guess, 50/50?
https://help.vrchat.com/hc/en-us/articles/360062659053-I-want-to-turn-my-Steam-Oculus-or-Viveport-account-into-a-VRChat-account (current dev update)
https://docs.vrchat.com/docs/vrchat-201841 (2018 dev update)

[regal furnace]

1050ti is the lowest you can go for VR

[noble depot]

You're rendering it on a Windows/x86 system with Virtual Desktop/Link, rather than the Quest's onboard Android power
also I run a Vive with a 970m, a 1050ti should be VR compatible for a Quest but just yeah

[naive bluff]

That's why i tested it out

[regal furnace]

i ran on a 770 already and it was horrible, but it worked

with a CV1

[vocal shard]

octo uses a 750ti

barely but somehow with everyone being robots

[old palm]

I first tried VR on a 960 with a CV1 and I feared for my computer's life.

[fathom python]

i should be good, i have a gforce RTX 2080

[naive bluff]

Look when it comes with me and vr idk what the fuck to do because at the time i'll i just wanted to do was play vr chat on pc

Just for like 10 min

I mean it's decent in public worlds I get 90 fps all time

[slow wind]

So someone knows how to fix the unity Game-crash problem?

[naive bluff]

Nah man sorry

[fathom python]

following since i can only stay in my home

[slow wind]

I was standing infront of a LQ Mirror in my home, starting a fingerpoint ball and crash myself.

[noble depot]

Put your most recent output log into https://nyanpa.su/vrchatlog/ and see what errors/exceptions occured? o:

[fathom python]

i can spawn in my home but as soon as i try to change world it just show the crash log and closes VRChat

[noble depot]

!outputlog

[floral flax]

You can find your output log at C:\Users\%Username%\AppData\LocalLow\VRChat\vrchat named output_log.txt

[slow wind]

i have this problem since 1 Year but after the last Update this problem comes every few Minutes. Sadly it doesnt make sense to play VRC on Desktop.

Oh sorry i dont wanted to quote

[noble depot]

just to clarify, are you playing on Quest or PC/PCVR?
and you're fine! c:

[slow wind]

Desktop Mode, if i go in VR there is no Crash Report

[fathom python]

no error or excepption happened... XD

[slow wind]

Yes same here there is no error marked.

[noble depot]

An output log should be made whenever VRChat closes, regardless of desktop/vr mode o:

also to clarify, there's no output_log.txts in the cache location?

[fathom python]

nah there is one but when i go on the website it show no error

it does say error loading map tho

[slow wind]

There is only a little Window with the "Unity Crash Error" for a few seconds and then VRC closed instantly.

[fathom python]

@slow wind follow the path on your computer here

!outputlog

[fathom python]

this

i found mine there, sort them by time and take the most recent

[slow wind]

i already looked there.

[fathom python]

if you drag the file on the website it'll give you informations

[noble depot]

You could try reinstalling the game to see if that helps? o:
also, are you using a 3000 series card?

[slow wind]

it's written in bits..

[slow wind]

Already reinstalled on 3 different drives, repair registry, AMD Card

But the crashes still there

[noble depot]

weird o:
also sorry lol, but to clarify are there no output log texts whatsoever in the cache location, or are they just obsfuscated (DZDZDZDZ bug)

[slow wind]

In the logfile is nothing to see. The errors are written in bits, so i cant read them xd

[noble depot]

Put that log file into https://nyanpa.su/vrchatlog/ and see what errors/exceptions it reports o:

[slow wind]

i cant read them. ^^

[noble depot]

sorry, clarify? lol

As in, is it saying it's not a valid output log?

[slow wind]

Its written in bits so i cant read them.

[noble depot]

The website reads them lol - either copy and paste the contents of the output_log.txt into the website, or drag-and-drop it in to the "Place VRChat output log file here" field

[slow wind]

🙄

[loud gale]

Get out your duel disks mirror dwellers, cause I'm about to send you to the mirror realm.

[celest tulip]

yo

can someone help me

how do u get vr games

[rancid jewel]

you buy them

through the store on the platform youre using

[tropic raptor]

Pog

[lethal jay]

Is it just me or is the status page for vrc not working correctly rn

[tropic raptor]

I'm new to vrchat

[rancid jewel]

welcome

[meager solstice]

welcome @tropic raptor

[tropic raptor]

ty

[rancid jewel]

dont forget, you're here forever.

[tropic raptor]

just wondering where else i can pick avatars then the menu thing and where are places good to go

[rancid jewel]

in avatar worlds, and the great pug is pretty neat.

[meager solstice]

there is a avatar section in the worlds menu

[rancid jewel]

make sure to try le froge ponde as well

[meager solstice]

and i just go to the most populated worlds

[lethal jay]

I find having friends helps a lot, they will usually let you cop an avatar from them you like

[velvet gull]

Yeah, the chipset is really good in terms of upgradability, it either just works or simple BIOS flash

[tropic raptor]

wait so

do i lookup avatar worlds in worlds

[lethal jay]

Yes, it is the easiest way to get avatars. Just saying having friends helps a lot too

[tropic raptor]

ty

[worthy oracle]

just type in avatar you’ll find a LOT of worlds

[tropic raptor]

yeah ik

i'm going through them

[late void]

great pug and black cat are cancer

[tropic raptor]

damn

[late void]

great pug USED to be good though

[tropic raptor]

really

[late void]

but i am a vrchat boomer so

[rancid jewel]

worlds with no mirrors tend to be nicer

[tiny tree]

hey anyone know if i can upload an image onto a texture in blender using uv editing or texture paint?

[ionic bloom]

i only know how in unity

[tiny tree]

dont think you can edit textures in unity

[ionic bloom]

you can edit the images and upload them very easily

[tiny tree]

yeah i know i can edit it in ps ect but im trying to do it in blender cuz the decal goes along many pieces which then messes up when applied as the spacing is different on uv maps than actually applied

[tropic raptor]

why is avatars not loading for me

[noble depot]

clear your cache if you haven't already? o:

[tropic raptor]

bru i legit just started the game

but how

[noble depot]

In the top-right of the ingame settings should be an Advanced Settings menu, where you can clear the downloaded content cache

[tropic raptor]

ty

[noble depot]

yw!
also, are avatars not loading whatosever or are they just taking a while? o:

[tropic raptor]

not whatsoever

[noble depot]

weird o:
If clearing the cache, reinstalling, or restarting your router don't fix the issue, you might want to contact #vrchat-support?

[tropic raptor]

It's working now

[noble depot]

cool! c:

[tropic raptor]

thx

[untold lake]

I’m new to VRchat , can somebody tell me why when I join rooms which say there’s people in there, has no one in?!

[rancid jewel]

instances like to do that sometimes

[sharp saddle]

^

Just an instance counter bug.

[vocal shard]

Can someone please tell me why when I join a new room with a smaller avatar it stops showing me the controls

[sharp saddle]

Controls...?

[vocal shard]

Like, the menu and everything. Where you change to different worlds and such..?

is vrchat mod infinite fave allowed?

[ruby needle]

Absolutely not

That and ANY other mod will get you permanently banned

[vocal shard]

just checking

[languid beacon]

The world’s reference camera might be bad but I don’t think that should be hiding your menu

[vocal shard]

Okay. Thanks

[languid beacon]

What world is it happening in?

[vocal shard]

Any world really

[languid beacon]

Doesn’t sound right to me

[vocal shard]

It just won’t show the menu or my hands

I dont know why

[languid beacon]

I’ve not seen that happen when wearing tiny avatars

I see my own avatar clip away but not the menus

[opal flicker]

what happens when you buy vrc plus for a month, favorite 100 avatars and then it runs out?

[rancid jewel]

the additional slots go away, but you still have the avatars for when you re-subscribe to vrc+

[opal flicker]

can you still equip them?

[rancid jewel]

only if you have an active subscription

[split lotus]

Only what you see on your favorites.

[opal flicker]

oh

[languid beacon]

Your top row stays available

[rocky blaze]

nice to have major memory leaks back again

[floral rock]

Your menu is so low it's actually underground. That happens to me sometimes too.

[vocal shard]

Oh okay thanks

[untold furnace]

can someone help

my vrchat keeps loading to 100% then never connecting

[vocal shard]

Well, what I do when that happens is I leave VrChat and then rejoin

[untold furnace]

i restarted 20 times now i cant connect to any worlds or anything

game is literally unplayable for me

[keen depot]

can someone help please so im gonna get virtual desktop later today and would like to know how i play vrchat from my laptop to oculus quest 2

[gentle nebula]

can i use clients with anti crash?

[shut apex]

you aren't supposed to use any at all

[gentle nebula]

will vr chat fix the bugs that cause crashs?

[opaque shard]

I mean people from what I know use clients because they have better features.

Than vanilla VRChat can offer.

I don't know how these clients work (nor do I want to) as I usually stream.

[gentle nebula]

i only want to play in vrchat but still crashing 3 or 4 times per session

[shut apex]

Optimise your game and crank your safety settings up

All I can really say

[gentle nebula]

my safety is only voice in all the levels

[vocal shard]

you shouldn't be crashing mate thats not normal at all

do you get low frames or

[rancid jewel]

pc specs?

[gentle nebula]

i crash after a annoying buzzing, or vrchat just close

i7 / 64gb / 2080ti

[shut apex]

Is your pc running fine? Does it run high temps, are you up to date in drivers and do you have unity crash?

[gentle nebula]

water colling 50°C at max

is not my pc, is vrchat

[patent python]

Why is vrchat being slow rn?

And there goes my ping up into the thousands for no reason this time

[shut apex]

Damnit it's your internet remember

Low bandwidth

[gentle nebula]

of 1gps

[patent python]

Don’t make me mad

[gentle nebula]

is not mi connection IS VRCHAT

[shut apex]

This your internet seriously

[patent python]

Liar

[shut apex]

I'm not lying kek

[patent python]

It’s not my connection this time in certain of it

[vocal shard]

is this the kid with 3/mbps saying they have a fast enough speed

"it worked before the updates"

[patent python]

My ping shouldn’t be going up to 7000

[shut apex]

This is the 3mb person pff

[vocal shard]

I'm sorry man you people cant argue when your on speeds slower than my fucking hotspot

3mbps might of been enough 10 years ago times change

[patent python]

It’s even my fault this time, I’m much closer to my network than before

[vocal shard]

it is your fault

[patent python]

I already said it’s not

[shut apex]

Well stop going on it and look into it some more. It's 100 percent your internet connection

[dry lava]

All I can say is try underclocking your gpu. I underclocked and haven't crashed since.

[patent python]

My connection may struggle, but it doesn’t struggle that much

[gentle nebula]

my gpu is stock configured

[vocal shard]

there is no point in arguing at this point no convincing no matter how many people tell them its on their end

[patent python]

Most I expect is 600-700, my optimal ping is 70-80

[gentle nebula]

35% load at 45°C

[dry lava]

On average or when running vrc?

[potent citrus]

servers down again?

[gentle nebula]

when running vrc

[dry lava]

What's your gpu at?

[potent citrus]

people don't seem to have hit boxes when you use the little blue laser.

[gentle nebula]

my gpu is 2080ti trio

[dry lava]

Dang, idk what's happening then

[gentle nebula]

crash clients

[dry lava]

Only difference I have is I use 2060 super and a amd processor

[gentle nebula]

i have i7 9700k

[severe iron]

Check your temp storage, I've had this problem before

[patent python]

Here’s a ping nobody can blame my connection on, 1,900,000

[dry lava]

Uhh, at that point I think the ping counter stopped working

[rocky blaze]

why does vrchat have the incessant need to remove my friends from groups (favourite people)

[craggy dune]

Did vrchat break something with unity? My avatar was fine yesterday, and suddenly today my visemes just don't work so I'm confused

[potent citrus]

servers down again?

[rancid jewel]

vrchat update probably broke a thing

[craggy dune]

Constant torture I'm telling you

[median prawn]

I have a QUEST(2)ion if you log in with you oculus account can you log in to the pc app?

[potent citrus]

yup.

[craggy dune]

I've done everything properly too 😔 I had a few friends check over in case I messed up hh

@median prawn yes

[potent citrus]

o-

[rancid jewel]

only if you're using the oculus store version of vrchat.

[potent citrus]

tf

[median prawn]

oh...

[potent citrus]

people are crashing from left to right

my server was full (me and 15 more players)

there's like- 6 more of us left

[craggy dune]

Make sure someone didn't pull out a crasher avtara too eggy

[rancid jewel]

thanos snapped again

[potent citrus]

yup-

[candid acorn]

I just want to say, that since that last update where supposedly changes were made to reduce the occurence of the voice audio cutting out bug, it's actually 100% gotten worse

[craggy dune]

Quest 2 mics are horrendous

When they randomly feel like you're in a jar

[languid beacon]

Anyone here with experience RMAing a valve index controller? Like how long did they take after receiving it to get notified that they shipped one back? It’s been 7 days since it was marked delivered

[potent citrus]

my VRC just crashed-

did anyone else's vrchat crash aswell?

[spring mist]

how do i know if an avatar is sdk3 or the previous one?

[potent citrus]

???

[languid beacon]

If you weren’t the person that uploaded the only way to find out is to open the debug screen from your wheel menu

[spring mist]

debug?

[languid beacon]

It’s in the wheel menu.

[spring mist]

i'll see if i can find it lol-

[rocky blaze]

or open your menu click emote it'll tell you if its 3.0 or no

[vocal shard]

Yo question anyone else have the problem where they can’t see anyone else’s skins only some people but most are just the generic avatar in vrchat for the quest 2?

[rocky blaze]

quest can only see quest/ quest compat avatars

so if a avatar is pc only u will see coloured robot with thumbnail of the avatar

[vocal shard]

Ohh okay thank you that makes sense now lmao that’s totally not annoying 😂

[sharp island]

anyone down to play propagation vr?

[rocky blaze]

if you get a cable to connect the headset to your pc you can see pc avatars

[languid beacon]

If you only see a few lines like this, it's AV2 https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/442444657428004866/819720060566372370/unknown.png

[spring mist]

what happens if i try to edit a 2.0 avatar with sdk3 will i spontaneously combust

[vocal shard]

Alright thank you I plan on getting a pc real soon so yeah thanks once again

[languid beacon]

If you see a bunch of text like this, it's AV3 https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/442444657428004866/819719953031888906/unknown.png

[spring mist]

yeah i took an avatar that i thought was AV3 and i did get that screen so the previous one is sdk2

[rocky blaze]

not a clue

[spring mist]

coz i was trying to do a thing and it wasn't working with the utub tutorials

[craggy dune]

Is vrchat not working rn orr

I can't get in

[lethal jay]

Still 27k people on, doesn't seem down

Also I am currently logged in

[tawny birch]

I met someone in VRChat in murder 4 and the way we found each other was just saying "amongus??"

[untold furnace]

@severe iron deleted it multiple times now 😦

[rancid jewel]

amogus???

[opal flicker]

is there a way to create a gesture toggle for something like a boombox that does NOT move with you. It just stays on the ground

[lethal jay]

Idk about gesture but you can with expressions

[languid beacon]

I've seen it done, so it's totally possible. #avatars-2-general can help you with the details.

Also #avatar-general but av3 is probably not necessary

[lethal jay]

Though AV3 is easier to work with

If you know what you are doing at least

[languid beacon]

They tend to be picky if you ask questions that aren't av3 specific

[opal flicker]

ok thanks

[vocal shard]

Hey, I literally just made an account on vrchat and idk what to do

[craggy dune]

@opal flicker world drop basically,

World constraints have to always be on, even on toggles

[vocal shard]

!online

[floral flax]

There are 28125 users in VRChat currently

[opal flicker]

uhhm okay

are there tutorials?

[desert solar]

umm helo! im new to vrchat and to vr controllers, i hope its ok to say hi here? :)

[sharp saddle]

Yes.

[tardy cypress]

cheese

[opal flicker]

Hey!

[sharp saddle]

Wow.

[bold epoch]

I had fun last night on murder 4 server lol

[opal flicker]

how do I add a audio source adjuster to the expression menu?

[desert solar]

hii there! :)

[bold epoch]

hello hello I was laughing at the game that we won

[steel dagger]

Damn I feel so ugly rn

I feel like that's a thing this game does to you

[vocal shard]

how

[lethal heron]

o

[vocal shard]

it should make you feel the opposite if your in a anime cat girl/boy avatar looking at yourself

[lethal heron]

nah bro i feel hot af when i play vr tbh

but thats bc i make sure my avatars are chaotic

[cosmic shale]

I love the avatar I use but much to the disagreement of my friends I think my own voice ruins it

[lethal heron]

oof

i used to feel the same, like insecure ab my voice, mainly my laugh but vrchat actually fixed that for me bc people just think i'm mad funny @cosmic shale

do you have a specific reason you feel like your voice ruins things?

[cosmic shale]

Cause it just doesn’t fit the avatars I like to use, at all

Least I don’t think so

[lethal heron]

@cosmic shale aww i'm sorry buddy 🥺 what avatars do you typically use?

[nova oar]

Is anyone having trouble logging in?

[lethal heron]

yes, i'm stuck on a blue screen

[nova oar]

Tryna make an avatar and just cant upload cuz i cant login ;-;

[warm maple]

Same

[lethal heron]

but i'm banned so lol nwn

[cosmic shale]

Well, you know
I just don’t think you see that kinda person and expect that when they speak you’ll hear a very british person

[warm maple]

[late void]

Just read the announcement. What a fucking joke. You've had MONTHS to upgrade the servers. Also times where uploads are restricted? Yeah that's not gonna affect commissions and cause any inconvenience in any way 😂

[vocal shard]

what ya'll think?

[unborn valley]

anyone wanna play?

[warm maple]

I wonder vrchat works

To me tho

[lethal heron]

@cosmic shale AWW every british person ive met is so sweet and adorable what 🥺🥺 when i get unbanned we have to be friends >:3

[cosmic shale]

Mmm, if you say so

[lethal heron]

@unborn valley i'd love to but.. y'know

[noble depot]

The actual, main source of the issue likely hasn't been known until now - affecting the functionality of the friends list helped the server, and that was only seemingly discovered last weekend

[covert chasm]

Sadly, "upgrading the servers" is not a method of fixing the issues we're seeing. Can't slot in more RAM or a CPU to solve this issue. 😛 Slowing/stopping uploads and etc will be short-lived at worst, but yeah, we understand it might be disruptive. We're working as hard as we can to make it not happen, ever.

[noble depot]

They're very aware of the issue and are working on fixing it - also yus, scaling up servers isn't nearly as easy as it sounds o:

[late void]

Didn't they JUST say it's because of increased player base?

This increase has been happening since December

[lethal heron]

@late void chillat it's literally a free game its not gonna be perfect

[vital dove]

So what will you do to upgrade the servers? Are you creating more? You say you have a solution, but you need to realize I live my life off this game.

[unborn valley]

wot do i know @lethal heron

[vocal shard]

I mean if you want to manage this have fun

[late void]

If there was no vrc+ I'd forgive them more ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[noble depot]

Yes, but what specific part of the large playerbase is breaking what part of the API

[lethal heron]

@unborn valley im banned LOL :(( :3

@late void are you a vrc+ member?

[ocean arch]

Wish there were ways to improve the servers without being too much out of scope for you guys/gals

[white cairn]

Tupper: is the intent to do a writeup on all this once you're out of the woods? Would be good to know if there's any knowledge to be shared for the other poor sods who maintain video game/game-like services for a living 😄

[covert chasm]

Also, if we take "upgrading the servers" to mean... well, making sure that we keep scaling with our continual growth-- that's all we do. That's all our DevOps team has been doing. Y'all just keep showing up faster and faster, and some things aren't "click the 'provision more servers' button" level of fixing.

[late void]

But now they have money coming in

[arctic elm]

tupper you were supposed to blame the problems on the OVH fire cmon man!

[sinful cairn]

Yeah uh, I used to perform developer operations and infrastructure management at a hosting company that concurrently managed hundreds of thousands of services. I'm disappointed to read the announcement because it doesn't offer any sense of a remedy to your problems other than you're aware of it at this current time. I appreciate the transparency going forward but as someone who wants to see this platform thrive as much as I'm sure many others do, It sounds like you're more focused on vertical scaling rather than horizontal scaling.

[late void]

No and I never will be vrc+ because they don't put any of it into good updates. I love vrchat so much. I been around since the beginning of 2018

[lethal heron]

& even if so - it's still different from being a game that requires purchase - vrc+ members still have mad benefits

[late void]

I guess thats fair

[nova oar]

I just wanna upload my character man feels bad

[edgy canopy]

Out of curiosity, is there a way I can join my friends on my quest through outside means?

[mellow ember]

Hey all I have a question does anyone have a drifting problem where your just drifting without moving your joysticks (occlus quest )

[late void]

I mean I guess I don't know what they're doing with it

[lethal heron]

@nova oar you should be able to soon if you are active :))

[late void]

But it's hard to watch the game struggle

[shrewd edge]

You can send yourself an invite through the launch page when you're logged in on the website

[covert chasm]

Sometimes we're gonna hit speedbumps in scaling VRChat that are more than just "dump money into servers". This is one of those complex speedbumps. We're pretty sure we know what the issue is and hope to have it fixed very soon-- just not before the weekend.

[noble depot]

Stated in the announcement is the fact that they're actively aware of the issue and are aiming to fix it next week - the changes could potentially be quite disruptive, so deploying them out on the weekend wouldn't be a great idea

[vocal shard]

Probably the American player base is the largest in vrc~

[uncut trail]

So w3 gonna have cap limit on how many can play VRChat?

[nova oar]

gonna just spam login ig XD

[edgy canopy]

So I just go to the site on my quest?

[sinful cairn]

I look forward to your efforts.

[lethal heron]

shii idk man

[late void]

I hope so! Would like to see more fixes of known issues instead of adding new features

[noble depot]

I mean what part of the API is breaking due to the large playerbase o:

[pale tapir]

I found the last announcement rather warming and reassuring

[prime ore]

so can we expect the servers to absolutely shit themselves again for the several week in a row this weekend?

[velvet gull]

Nice to know that everyone's drunken tendencies (including my own) are being taken into consideration over the weekend, thank you lol

[vocal shard]

Probably

[unborn valley]

how do u manage LMAOOO @lethal heron

[covert chasm]

Both can happen simultaneously. 😛 The people who work on features aren't the same people that fix bugs, to put it very very very very simply (in reality, people shift projects and etc, but basically this is the "too many cooks" problem in action)

[lethal heron]

bro :(((((((((((

[vocal shard]

Good luck team, let's hope you get to the bottom of this.

[lethal heron]

@unborn valley what do you mean lmaooooo

[arctic elm]

based on the announcement, moderate shit this weekend, then light shit after next week

[mellow ember]

Hey all I have a question does anyone have a drifting problem where your just drifting without moving your joysticks (occlus quest )

[noble depot]

Also for anyone wondering, https://hello.vrchat.com/vrchat-plus-faq explains where the VRChat+ support is going to - development, server costs, etc

[covert chasm]

I am also in VRChat on weekends with a comfortably safe amount of beer (and water) so I know your pain 😄

[unborn valley]

how did u get banned like for what

[lethal heron]

like how do i manage without vr? or how did i get banned?

[silk oyster]

Servers might shit the bed, but at least they fixed the volleyball emoji

[worthy oracle]

true

[covert chasm]

They might get kinda hot but we'll try our best to keep things smoldering rather than explody

[uncut trail]

You drink in vrchat tupper ?

[vocal shard]

Let's hope St.patty's goes well

[lethal heron]

"hateful avatar" of which i do not remember even having one @unborn valley but i contacted the service team so hopefully i'll be unbanned soon :,)))

[covert chasm]

ofc

[uncut trail]

Nice dude

[noble depot]

The emoticon update had a couple other things in it, namely stuff for MVket

[velvet gull]

I mean, who doesn't?

[pale tapir]

I have mad respect for the team atm these server issues seem really annoying

[fresh garnet]

Tupper, thank you for announcing API fixes. I've been hoping for it for a long time. 🤗

[unborn valley]

oof it b like that

[covert chasm]

water, sometimes orange vanilla coke

[lethal heron]

yeah, it's wtv tho

[unborn valley]

i have some dumb avatars myself

[covert chasm]

mostly water though

[feral blade]

water is the best drink

[velvet gull]

Orange vanilla?

[uncut trail]

Damn love vanilla coke

[covert chasm]

dude

[noble depot]

tupper how do you feel about dr pepper cream soda

[feral blade]

that is why we are 75% of it

[arctic elm]

root beer

[covert chasm]

orange vanilla coke zero

[lethal heron]

vanilla coke is mad good

[velvet gull]

That sounds... exotic...

[uncut trail]

Oh yeah

[white cairn]

Tupper drinks in VRC and doesn't come to the parties I am at

[lethal heron]

🤌🤌

[covert chasm]

orange vanilla coke zero is the secret DLC coke flavor

[fresh garnet]

I'm a mocha iced coffee type of guy.

[noble depot]

also heck orange vanilla coke sounds like a good flavor o:

[white cairn]

Sad

[noble depot]

dr pepper cream soda all the way though

[lethal heron]

DLC coke flavor LMAO

[velvet gull]

WEe just got regular ol' vanilla coke here in the UK, mixes real nice with vodka though.

[arctic elm]

doc pep best tho

[fresh garnet]

What is the VRChat Plus cat's favorite beverage?

[late void]

Hey just curious will we ever have the ability to see how many people cloned/favorited our avatars kinda like worlds?

[feral blade]

Macha green tea is also good

[fresh garnet]

Green tea. My man. 🤝

[balmy axle]

green tea the best

[feral blade]

i bought some to make my own lattes but just drinking it? Its Great

[lethal heron]

@late void tbh i hope, i also wish we had a feature to message our friends on there bc i'm lowkey weird ab giving out my socials other than discord #insecure

[velvet gull]

Damn, y'all Americans got all the good soda, we don't got shit in the UK 😦

[balmy axle]

u have no soda there?

[lethal heron]

america specializes in yummy unhealthy foods ♥️♥️

[noble depot]

I don't remember how many team members VRChat has, but heck a good portion of em's online o:

[velvet gull]

Coke, Pepsi, Mountain Dew, Fanta, thats about it

Might find a sprite if you're lucky

[balmy axle]

coke is all i need

[grave haven]

https://feedback.vrchat.com/feature-requests/p/count-how-much-people-favorited-your-avatar

[covert chasm]

space milk obviously

[arctic elm]

anyone tried mcdonalds sprite tropic? its like sprite remix from the early 2000s so good uwu

[lethal heron]

SPICY SPRITE from mcdonalds

[feral blade]

soda is Good but tea is my new best friend

[lethal heron]

OH yeah

[covert chasm]

i'm sorry, what? spicy sprite?

wtf

[arctic elm]

mcdonalds sprite just hits different

[balmy axle]

yes, spicy sprite

[vocal shard]

white girls thinking carbonated water is spicy

[lethal jay]

Spicy sprite sounds like my kinda drink ngl

[lethal heron]

have u ever had spicy mcdonalds sprite? @covert chasm

[vocal shard]

basically

[noble depot]

If anyone ever comes across a Coca Cola Freestyle machine, def try Mello Yello Peach/Raspberry Peach or Strawberry Orange

[balmy axle]

you drink it once and u will never forget its taste

[feral blade]

mcdonalds sprite is spiked with Ginger

[lethal heron]

or are u uncultured :/// 👎👎

[noble depot]

Strawberry orange tasted very close to a creamsicle I vaguely remember

[lucid basalt]

VRChat team, I appreciate everything you've done this year, and 2020 to keep me connected with friends. I feel more connected, and comfortable with meeting new people, as an extrovert, its been really hard this past year (2020-21) to make friends and talk. As you are probably aware, most users that come to Vrchat are from Youtubers, I was watching a youtuber named HyperNovaPuma and thought I'd give it a shot. Almost immediately, I was greated into the community by my First ever Friend,, Lavender Tea.. I was able to get my first avi, (a really stupid looking fish, which I still have) and shortly after, I was greeted by the LPD, (Lolly Police Department) and started as a Recruit there! After about a few months of service, I realized that there's more than just the LPD, and I even forgot Discord Communitys were a thing with VRChat! course I was still on desktop, but I love the fact that there is such a loving community and that couldn't have been done without our amazing devs that have STRIVED TO keep the servers going DESPITE COVID! Hopefully this can be a motivation for the team to keep at it! As I would love to work with you guys reporting bug and other types of issues.

[feral blade]

anybody had peace tea? Canned Tea. its really Good

[balmy axle]

holy.

[covert chasm]

blackberry mello yello 👍 👍 👍

[feral blade]

mucho texto

[fathom ether]

it's never fun when your service hits a scaling issue that you can't just throw more nodes at.. good luck to the devs responsible for making sure your user-related services can cope with the throughput

[noble depot]

what that's a thing

[lethal heron]

@lucid basalt this is so wholesome omg 🥺🥺♥️

[lucid basalt]

Trust me, it's not. I work as a manager here. The boxes would be heavier...

[feral blade]

i dont mean Whole cloves of ginger i mean like Ginger beer

[covert chasm]

i'll pass on the wishes for good luck 😄 and yes, i sometimes wish that our problems were the kind that people think we have ("just buy more servers! ezclap")

[unborn valley]

im eating crystallized ginger rn

[livid marsh]

Shaved teeth

[unborn valley]

it is fire

[feral blade]

teeth plant

[fathom ether]

i suspect somewhere on your team there's a DBA who needs a hug 😄

[vocal shard]

start a gofundme to pay for vrc servers

[arctic elm]

mcdonalds sprite is better for the same reason mcdonalds coke is better. more syrup than normal, and its mixed at the fountain, cold

[lucid basalt]

Fax

[vocal shard]

ill tell idubbbz to make a kickstarter crap on it

[late void]

I wanna stop playing vrchat.... I wanna go outside guys. 🥴 😭

Corona pls

[arctic elm]

also mcdonalds coke syrup is stored in a big aluminum cylinder not plastic bags

[grave haven]

VRChat has some of the best people on the team, if the fixes were trivial they would have been done long time ago. 🙂

[covert chasm]

thank you! its always great hearing stories like yours. we're trying our best to keep things going for you, your friends, and everyone else 😄

[covert chasm]

i can't tell you why this is hilarious, but i assure you that it is

[late void]

Met my best friend in vrchat. But I can't meet him in real life 😭

[gentle token]

helloooo, I want to download vr chat on macbook air can someone teach me how?

[lethal heron]

@late void i met a close friend of mine on vrchat too but i don't have his socials so i am Crying

[lucid basalt]

Steam on Mac...?

[vocal shard]

would you need to fly international or?

[lethal heron]

real pain

[late void]

Yes and I can't because of the pandemic

[gentle token]

Idk I always watch VRchat but I want to play and Idk how

[covert chasm]

VRChat is not compatible with macOS, so sadly you will have to either use Bootcamp, Parallels (is that still a thing?) or use GeForce Now, which is what most people have the most success with.

[lethal heron]

@gentle token do u have pc? steam?

[late void]

Vrchat is my only social life now. I'm on usually every day

[vocal shard]

I thought you could fly but regulations are super strict with covid tests

[gentle token]

isn't possible to have steam on mac?

[lethal heron]

@covert chasm parallels is not a thing anymore no :((

[covert chasm]

dang

[velvet gull]

VRChat club worlds have more or less replaced actual clubbing for me at this point

[unborn valley]

u can just bootcamp steam on mac

[lethal jay]

Or shadow but meh :/

[late void]

Yeppp

[velvet gull]

Not getting charged $10 for a watered down rum & coke is a big win in my eyes

[covert chasm]

are bootcamp drivers still written so badly that they're basically malicious?

[unborn valley]

what clubs do u suggest in vrchat

[lethal heron]

cozy apartment

[gentle token]

wot is bootcamp? sorry I'm lil boomer

[lethal heron]

it's not a club but its always chaotically hilarious

[covert chasm]

i remember that being a thing, that the Windows bootcamp device drivers for MBPs were so bad that they'd intentionally downclock CPU/GPU/RAM

[vocal shard]

I tried that and its so nasty

[unborn valley]

basically you install windows for apple

[velvet gull]

Depends, there are many different clubs which play different music and such, If you need recommendations then feel free to DM me.

[unborn valley]

it's not the best but it works

sure gotcha

[velvet gull]

I personally drink rum & lemonade instead, cant taste the alcohol, and the lemon gives it a nice slightly bitter aftertaste.

[lucid basalt]

And people active in this chat. Please remember if there's an issue with ther servers or vrc in general, the devs may have to learn how the problem started before they can fix it. It's like school. You have to learn how to do the probles before you can solve them.

[late void]

So glad vrchat at least exists during this pandemic haha

[velvet gull]

If VRC didn't exist I wouldn't have survived the pandemic.

straight up

[vocal shard]

bitter and more bitter who knows maybe its good ill try

[keen depot]

can someone help me i tried using virtual desktop to run vrchat and it just crashes

[unborn valley]

rum is awesome

dark rums the best

[fathom ether]

yeah VRChat's been a lifeline for so many people i meet up with everyday

[velvet gull]

If your rum is bitter, it's probably not rum.

[late void]

It was kinda obvious, their player base tripled

[gentle token]

how do I do that?

[unborn valley]

just check google really not sure don't have it on mac

[ocean arch]

Is it possibly to do with higher amounts of players joining the game since covid? I have noticed a huge influx of people getting involved as such, even seeing over 3k users in a world once which is crazy (at least for me who's been in the game since early 2018)

[unborn valley]

have a mac and pc

[fresh garnet]

Seconded.

[gentle token]

hey, can someone vc with me?

[fresh garnet]

I practically spend half my waking hours in VR.

[late void]

Honestly I noticed the numbers growing in December oddly

Like around new years

[fathom ether]

everyone getting vr headsets for christmas? 🙂

[late void]

Something about new quest headset or something idk

[ocean arch]

Yeah. And when you have more players, you generally have more unstable servers which you need to maintain more or keep up with, as Rocket League did when they hadn't expected a huge amount of players playing their game when they first launched

[late void]

Yeah and they've been slow to do something

[noble depot]

Again, in my opinion I think it's an issue with finding out what broke - obv going from 20k peaks to 30-40k is going to stress the server, but what part of the API is breaking and why

[golden scaffold]

Yeah, the higher player count definitely impacts things a lot. It's pretty hard to predict how busy VRChat would've gotten this year, and limited resources means that VRChat has to figure out the right things to allocate those resources towards.

[noble depot]

Affecting the friends list last week seemed to help, which might be related to the issue aiming to be fixed next week o:

[toxic swan]

well the announcement makes sense to me i would rather have a good bit of vrchat then none at all in my opinion

[golden scaffold]

Indeed, understanding that the friends list mitigation helped server behavior is just a step towards the right direction. We'll have longer-term fixes coming to address these issues moving forward, as the announcement states.

[late void]

Oh btw vrchat devs please never restore the api ability to see moderations against you... It's for the best. I used to look at that everyday paranoid about who blocked me now.

[fathom ether]

i'm a web developer; i used to see a similar issue where there would be a network timeout to the database sometimes when things got busy, which meant the web server didn't complete its request, which meant requests piled up, which meant more requests timing out to the database, and eventually everything on that machine would just fall over until we switched off the webserver and let it cool

[toxic swan]

for the short term this is a good move hats off to you vrchat team

[ocean arch]

Fair enough. If anything I can only assume there's peaks when streamers or content creators get involved with the game (not to mention covid circumstances), but again really yeah, it's pretty hard to determine when large amounts participate in the game. Really hope things do get better with the servers with vrchat in the near future though

[late void]

Having times where you can't upload is gonna be annoying for me though. Hope I'm not doing a commission that day 😳

[fathom ether]

the machine would even fail to send requests to the database at all when it got too busy..

[noble depot]

Things like the Knuckles and brush ordeals def boosted the popularity of the game, but nothing like last Christmas and New Years o:

[covert chasm]

We'll announce when we intentionally "degrade" VRChat services (like turning off uploads) if/when we need to do so.

[late void]

Thanks

[toxic swan]

didnt think of that but this is for the overall game play so more can be on in the weekends

[fathom ether]

so one thing going a bit wrong with information services can have a domino effect on everything else

[golden scaffold]

More resources means more of an ability for us to do that. VRChat is ultimately still a free game / application / whatever you want to call it, and yeah, things are absolutely going to look better for servers in the future. We know about what things we'll need to solve for us to get there.

[ocean arch]

Yeee exactly

Take the time you need to sort them out. Understandable that situations like these take time

[covert chasm]

Also notably, "VRChat servers" is a bit of a misnomer? People might think that VRChat has a bunch of baremetal machines sitting in a rack in some data center somewhere. I can't give you the exact details of our exact setup, but if you generally know how services and applications run nowadays, we're like basically everyone else-- which is why "buy more servers" or "upgrade your servers" doesn't really make any sense. 😛

[honest forge]

servers go huhguhghgugh

[late void]

Yeah some people have deadlines when they need their avatars so hopefully vrchat will notify us a day in advance

[lucid basalt]

I guess... this is another topic. But when will vrc be "Out of Beta"/"Early Acess"?

[late void]

Never

[ocean arch]

xD

[pseudo helm]

☁️

[covert chasm]

I mean, in all honesty, I like being in "Beta" or "Early Access"

[toxic swan]

all i can say is god speed to you i will never understand unity let alone blender lol

[covert chasm]

it means we get to do weird crazy stuff for features

[lucid basalt]

Bugs are Features...

[covert chasm]

the term is admittedly pretty empty nowadays though

[toxic swan]

i mean tbh vrchat is gmod with extra steps

[covert chasm]

it doesn't actually mean much of anything from a player point-of-view

[ocean arch]

I mean it makes sense I guess anyway, given you can do a lot in early access, especially with the game design documentation set for the game too

[late void]

Ayyy thank you

[ocean arch]

for beta or full release there's a lot less development generally

[noble depot]

going into full release would probably immediately get people saying "tHiS is full release wow look at xyz that I don't like"

[lucid basalt]

I mean. I'm really just looking for an update like Minecraft. (The Update that changed the world)

[worthy oracle]

I don’t think full release would ever happen for a game like vrchat, its always growing and expanding and adapting

[somber bear]

hello im new here

[gilded spade]

do the new plus features place more load on servers?

[rancid jewel]

thanks tupper youy are cool

[covert chasm]

not particularly

sorta kinda yes, but sorta kinda no? again, not a question with a straight answer

[lucid basalt]

True

[ocean arch]

I'd imagine the only particular load with vrc+ would be like the favourites and storing the icons

since more data for the servers to store

[fathom ether]

yeah if the issues are throughput-related and your current way of doing user services gets tapped out under load, it means having to re-engineer how your user services are done to support operations at that scale i guess?

[supple python]

Id think vrc+ would cause more only with images, but the amount of people sending image invites every minute is (Probably) quite low so would be negligible for the most part right?

[plain edge]

god bless you guys for getting your messaging straight

i posted in here real heated on saturday but you actually did a 180 on your communications, props to the VRC team

[ocean arch]

This. Have to say it's really nice just having conversations with the devs like this in terms of these situations, even if it's just a general conversation about things or so.

It's really appreciated ^-^

[rancid jewel]

i wonder how DOES vrchat work if there isnt a server rack anywhere? does this game run off of magic?

[plain edge]

AWS is magic

[late void]

Yes

[covert chasm]

yep, basically when you "scale" your service it means more than "make more servers go", it also means "make sure the way you're doing things works as well for 40,000 users as it did for 4,000".

Think of it like running a party: If you have a house party with 10 people, you're going to organize and run it one way. However, that "way" of running things isn't going to work when you've got 50 people, or 150 people. It'll be crowded, and sure, they'll fit, but you'll need to handle RSVPs different, guest list different, catering different, etc etc.

Weird analogy but I couldn't think of something more apt. ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[supple python]

Most services run on scalable "virtual" servers that arent technically in the same place every time but float

[rancid jewel]

i see

[covert chasm]

eventually we'll get to a point where these kinds of things won't happen as often (or you won't notice them), but for now we're still very much in "growing pains" stages

... which is a weird thing to think of, because i started playing vrchat when we had like 50 people on max

[late void]

I just wanna go outside. :Pain:

[ocean arch]

sounds a lot like balancing one thing with the other to keep the same functionality and stability as before

[supple python]

yee everythng happening recently is understandable

[rancid jewel]

mustve been fuckin mental seeing your favorite game grow so much

[opaque shard]

Tupper seems to be the only transparent dev.

[noble depot]

vrchat came out in 2014 and that was 6 years ago aaaa

[ocean arch]

Spark and a few chat here, so not just Tupper

[hexed glacier]

transparent as in you can see right through him 😏

[covert chasm]

This is untrue. It is my job to communicate information to you. The rest are busy making VRChat, so. 😛

[noble depot]

lots of devs chat here! not to mention Tupper's the community manager among other things lol

[late void]

Tupper is the community manager

[supple python]

lol tupper isnt the only one I specifically know of one other that will talk for hours but its tuppers job to do it XD

[rancid jewel]

how exited were you to see vrchat fuckin SKYROCKET in popularity in 2018 due to the knuckles meme

stuff was probably wild

[supple python]

Sure most of them will, as most of the devs love what they have created and are passionate about it so they love talking about it

[ocean arch]

A friend of mine showed a youtube link to 2014 footage of vrchat a while back. Just insane to see how things have transformed from that year to today

[fathom ether]

true true, it's like going from a single fridge to many fridges (except each fridge has to keep track of who's had what drinks, what their favourite drinks are, which other fridges they've been to) and part of scaling pains even means the fridges have trouble talking to one another under load

[pseudo helm]

Tupper is a professional chatter

[covert chasm]

I started working for VRChat in the middle of the knuckles boom (early january), and at the time I was at a LAN party at MAGfest

[velvet gull]

As much as I loved seeing the boom of VRChat in 2018, I am so glad the knuckles meme died out.

[toxic swan]

do dumb question how did vrchat start? like was this the plan or did a bunch of you all got drunk and went hey that sounds cool and just caught on

[late void]

God I miss those days (I'm a 2018 player)

2017 vrchat players would like to disagree with this

[rancid jewel]

oh nice

[covert chasm]

so I spent my first 4 days working at VRChat... at a LAN party.. answering support emails

[supple python]

damn, ive been playing vrc longer than youve worked for it O.o

[ocean arch]

same

[velvet gull]

As a 2017 VRC player, I wholeheartedly disagree

[covert chasm]

they're still here, your perspective and experiences have just changed a bit. 😄

[warped thorn]

Ahh... I remember when Tupper made their first tutorial videos. And then people not watch them and ask the same questions over and over in the avatar channels.

[velvet gull]

Lol

[covert chasm]

I started playing VRChat on.. July 11th 2017, I think?

[supple python]

lol as soon as someone says 2017 user I check mutuals and bam, we have a good bit

[supple python]

I started december 27 2017 XD

[late void]

Idk anytime I talk to people that have been around in 2017 and earlier they tell me the knuckles meme ruined everything and brought so many toxic players and changed vrchat for the worse and never really went away

[covert chasm]

I played a bunch of Anyland before VRChat to be honest

Anyland was/is great

[velvet gull]

Yoooo I just checked, no way lol

[supple python]

oooooo I know anyland

[ocean arch]

I wish I had started playing earlier. Joined somewhere beggining of 2018 after playing a lot of Elite Dangerous, and have to say, met some amazing friends that I haven't met as amazing in my childhood lol

[supple python]

I have over 6k friends in vrc and over 1k on discord so not surprising tbh

[covert chasm]

anyland has a TON of cool concepts that nobody else has done yet

and so few people know about it

[late void]

It's not how I feel personally but it's what I've heard from older players

[velvet gull]

Damn, and I thought my 1400 friends was impressive

[supple python]

VRC has literally made me who I am today

[late void]

I wasn't there before the knuckles meme so I wouldn't know

[velvet gull]

Wholeheartedly agree

[versed dock]

get better servers

[vocal shard]

you haven't talked to CoBruh clearly, with 7000 friends and going

[late void]

Yeah yeah we know

[velvet gull]

didn't ask

[versed dock]

didnt ask

[rancid jewel]

i initially watched vrchat content in 2017 from jameskii
i didnt make a vrchat account until mid-late 2020, for good reason; i sounded like a literal fetus and was too underaged to be on the platform before making the account

[vocal shard]

🤡

[ocean arch]

There's just something about vrc that's magical in terms of that social aspect I guess. For me it's made me interact a lot better with real life folks than before

[velvet gull]

Whole squad laughin' bruh 🤡

[vocal shard]

its socializing but as a person who doesn't look like you at all

[covert chasm]

Everyone will always feel like their "good ol days" or "golden era" of their favorite game or place on the internet was better before X came along and ruined it. That goes all the way back to the first Eternal September.

The key is remembering that if you spend all your time wishing you could go back to the "good old days" you'll miss the "great current days"

[rancid jewel]

i'm glad i waited until i was actually old enough to be on vrchat to make an account

[covert chasm]

I've done that so, so many times with various communities

[ocean arch]

I feel that a lot

[velvet gull]

This ^^^

[covert chasm]

You just have to accept it, and learn how to always enjoy the moment, and enjoy the community you're a part of right now

[velvet gull]

"Don't be sad it's gone, be happy it happened"

[compact granite]

as a content creator making models and shit for vrchat has given me so much more purpose to my art than before, like yeah sure making art to make it was great, but now i get to see it move, dance.. explode in creative ways.. it’s improved my career for the better immensely

[ocean arch]

Games like Elite Dangerous I say way too much of "good ol days" since those times were awesome especially. But nowadays they can be great too, just different ish in a way than how you remember em

[versed dock]

i dont care what an eboy says

[toxic swan]

good quote

[velvet gull]

???

[ocean arch]

exactly

[noble depot]

I've heard that kinda argument with Unreal Tournament 3 sorta
which is a heckin fun game and i'll defend it m8

[covert chasm]

"Getting better servers" won't really help, sadly! You can read more information in #announcements , if you like. We talk about the issues, why they're happening, and what we're doing to make things better for you.

If you have any questions, feel free to ask me in here.

[toxic swan]

oh god halo 4 for me

[versed dock]

hi tupper

[ocean arch]

One thing that vrchat or vr in general needs to do. First vr experience in actual space xD

[covert chasm]

For me its a few different games and communities: Diablo 2, Ragnarok Online, Burning Crusade, Starfleet Dental, the Homeworld community, etc

[supple python]

VRChat has made many alcaholics XD

[vocal shard]

true

[warped thorn]

Tupper, will you make another Avatar tutorial video once 3.0's feature set settles down? Although I can understand why if you won't. You're really busy nowadays.

[velvet gull]

Imagine playing VR in zero g

[rancid jewel]

cant wait for people to complain about not being able to upload avatars during peak playercounts when they dont know it's intentional and is helping

[ocean arch]

exactly xD

[vocal shard]

ion if it made them just gave them a better environment

[ocean arch]

you just see this full body person floating like as if they had play space mover but not at all

[supple python]

Also @covert chasm I want to remind you that the first time we really spoke we talked about servers and programming while I was high on pain pills after getting my wisdom teeth out, and that is my favorite memory of you XD

[vocal shard]

I am going to probably end up spending free time in space playing a game similar to this fs

[noble depot]

loads #announcements gun

[covert chasm]

I have about 250GB of false-starts of the AV3 tutorial video. It is.. not an easy to explain conceptually.

[velvet gull]

"Omgggg tupperrrrr I can't upload my 75th crash avatar fix naow!!! 😠"

[supple python]

That was in vrc bout a year and a half ago

[rancid jewel]

echo arena but you move in game by moving irl

[ocean arch]

bruh look in #announcements

[toxic swan]

me and another guy was talk about that 10min ago

[covert chasm]

I think the key for explaining AV3 will be explaining how Unity Animators work. Once you know how animators work, then AV3 just falls into place super easy.

(btw, if you wanna know how AV3 works, just learn how animators work)

[supple python]

lol I need to get into av3 XD

[rancid jewel]

they were making a joke lol

[ocean arch]

ah lol

[nimble linden]

This

[supple python]

Also cant wait for vrchat to support the new htc lip tracking device 🤔

[warped thorn]

Yeah. Explaining a state machine to people without a computer science background is gonna be... challenging.

[velvet gull]

It was a joke and In quotation marks lol

[rancid jewel]

you need more then a gun, you need a shotgun

[ocean arch]

ye

[late void]

Can you make the default animations for avatar 3 better? Like I know they can be modified but to have the default animations snap so awkwardly and quickly and when you turn you just pivot in place it looks bad

[toxic swan]

i need to learn how to make a avatar not just edit the textures and remove stuff

[noble depot]

a schütgun

[covert chasm]

We could, but that'd change behavior for a ton of people. We'd rather people make their own animation/animator sets and distribute them if they feel that they're an improvement.

Some people prefer the default animation/animator set and would be disrupted by us changing the defaults.

[late void]

See I wanna agree with this, but you broke legs for avatar 2 tons of times and for some reason made it so legs no longer follow idle animations so now a lot of poses look weird

Why

[supple python]

I love you and all the devs for creating my home @covert chasm ❤️

[nimble linden]

I was also somebody who was annoyed by the default animations but then I figured out how easy it was to change and it changed my mind on the situation incredibly fast

[covert chasm]

AV2 is different. You don't get control over animators and you only get limited control over animations.

[late void]

Yeah but default should be what's BEST

[covert chasm]

"Best" is subjective!

[late void]

But why make legs no longer follow idles

[nimble linden]

But best is subjective

[late void]

Well this ain't it. Not to be salty Im just disappointed with avatar 3

[vocal shard]

the only way to make that objective is to have it be completely identical to real life movement

[supple python]

Av3 is much much better than the old system

[late void]

Avatars 2's movement system was okay

I like the new crouching with av 3 tho

[cosmic shale]

Yo when are we getting Random Crits in vrchat?

[covert chasm]

You have complete control over animations, animators, and the full avatar state machine in AV3. I hate to say it, but if you're disappointed with the way your AV3 avatar is working, you're disappointed in your setup. D:

[rancid jewel]

stick a bunch of vive trackers on an employee and have them run around

[cosmic shale]

They’re a balanced system with no flaws whatsoever

[late void]

No I'm disappointed with what is default which is what most people will use

[covert chasm]

[vocal shard]

I mean the future would be having thousands of trackers around your body in a full body suit

[velvet gull]

Quick unrelated question, why is it that FBT looks so janky clientside but looks completely fine to others?

[noble depot]

m2m2m2m2m2m2

[rancid jewel]

in 2 seconds

[ocean arch]

network ik I assume

[covert chasm]

I'd need to know what you mean by "janky" specifically to answer your question

[late void]

Please make legs follow idles again 🙏

[nimble linden]

Make it work. Be the change you wish to see

[jovial kestrel]

You mean you haven't gotten any yet?

[ocean arch]

I get the same thing where my tracking on my end can be a little shaky, but on the other person's side it's not shaky at all

[cosmic shale]

c;

[velvet gull]

As in like hitchy/jittery at times when moving legs and such, yet looks perfectly smooth to other people in the instance, doesn't bother me, just curious.

[cosmic shale]

oh no

[covert chasm]

If you're seeing hitch/jitter locally, that's... maybe your local tracking? And it gets smoothed out by NetIK before it gets to others?

If that's what it is, that's not VRC messing up, that's your tracking

[late void]

Weird obscure question but why do animation keys that are not part of the humanoid rid only show locally on prone idles on av 2

[covert chasm]

🤔

[cosmic shale]

No I haven’t had an instant demotion to nuisance yet myself

[rancid jewel]

yo they changed the vrchat status bots pfp
it looks cool now

[ocean arch]

exactly this

[covert chasm]

I have no idea, I've basically purged most AV2 knowledge from my brain thanks to AV3 🙃

[late void]

Yikes

[covert chasm]

AV2 is "legacy", which is one step away from being "deprecated", so.....

[velvet gull]

Ahh, thats the answer I was looking for, it's not a tracking issue, just noticed that my tracking appears way smoother from other people's POV, but the NetIK smoothing makes sense.

Ty

[rancid jewel]

what if like
there was like
a class for udon
or do those exist already

[late void]

This is so sad 😭

[ocean arch]

udon avatars 😓

that would be interesting

[covert chasm]

Yeah that can actually be beneficial in some cases, like fast movements causing jitter in foot trackers getting smoothed out by NetIK

[nimble linden]

As it should be. Imo there's no reason to use AV2 anymore

[covert chasm]

"I'm used to it" doesn't count 😉

[late void]

I want to like avatars 3 but having the wheel on vive is annoying

[rancid jewel]

yeah
especially when funny udon and funny AV3 has so much more customizability

[nimble linden]

You don't have to use the wheel

[late void]

??? How can I not

I want to know haha

[nimble linden]

You can still bind everything to gestures

[cosmic shale]

Just don’t have a vive

[nimble linden]

In fact you can now have split gestures

[late void]

....
Not the answer I was looking for

[ocean arch]

no u

[nimble linden]

So different hands can effect different things

[rancid jewel]

im pretty sure vive wands cant do as many gestures

[velvet gull]

Oh god don't start another HMD war lol

[cosmic shale]

Rift s, getting an index in like 2 years

[ocean arch]

oof

[cosmic shale]

Thumbstick person myself lol

[rancid jewel]

loads shotgun with HMD-defending intent

i like headset

[nimble linden]

What I mean is, if the wheel is the reason you don't want to use 3.0 but you're ok using 2.0, just don't use the wheel

And only use gestures like in 2.0

[ocean arch]

plus I assume would be better to update a certain amount of information based on the transform/location of the tracker than have it updating way too fast

[blissful stag]

welp i cant upload the avatar

great

i havent spent enough "time"

[jovial kestrel]

I think most people sort of just enjoy the "plug and play" style they could do with 2.0 without much effort.

[blissful stag]

to upload but pk

[rancid jewel]

even with all the stuff being put in theres still gonna be people in this discord like "waaawwaaaaa social tabg loading too logn" when the team is literally saying that the social tab will load for a bit longer

[late void]

Ps though: Make legs follow idles again. Ok I'm gonna go for now

[jovial kestrel]

Opening up an animator is oh so intimidating for most.

[nimble linden]

Sure. I get that. But the new system is more intuitive and works better. Not to mention there are helper scripts out there that can make it similar to 2.0 creation

[blissful stag]

https://gyazo.com/dea4c491826a451bd1dee55429434b4f idk why

[rancid jewel]

play for longer and make friends

[covert chasm]

If you want the plug-and-play back, there's a few user-made editor extensions that do that for you

like Hai's Combo Gestures

[rancid jewel]

also update RISK: Global Domination

[ocean arch]

Having moved to AV3 many months ago, the setup for a basic av3 avatar is actually surprisingly not that hard, compared to av2 anyway. The only thing really is you might need to have some certain blend shapes if you want them for blinking n such

[blissful stag]

mk i dont play that i dont even care abt it