vrchat-general-2

[short lance]

The issue is that there isn't one major bug that everyone knows about. Every issue is personalized

[open crescent]

I'd say there are quite a few common bugs

like the players audio dying (which is usually fixed with a restart)

[short lance]

I wish I could play VR Chat more, but my headset is in my main room where most of my family hands out AND I have severe social anxiety thanks to being in minimal contact outside my small group for 11 months.

I've noticed that a lot of progress that I've made in being more social and friendly has slowly been erased

[wary goblet]

man what is up with the in game community in VRchat :/

The discrimination against me as to where I am from WHEN I am asked where I am from.. is disgusting

I thought Americans were past that shit

Then people wonder why people go mute .. smh

[vocal shard]

ok

[open crescent]

did those happen to be 8 year olds?

I have found the edgy kids to be pretty terrible

other than the edgy kids, people are usually fine

I've talked with folks from all over the world

and you can always block the edgy kids and carry on

[wary goblet]

no around Mid 20's early 30 :/ It's fine I just blocked and moved on Just hoping it isnt a regular thing . I'll keep exploring. Already met some good people to make it worth it

[open crescent]

damn well I guess there are some edgy adults now and then too but overall they're fine in my experience

[wary goblet]

yeah its been great mostly actual vr is awesome too

[quaint anchor]

Hello guy's am playing vrchat

[cyan steeple]

me too friend

[quaint anchor]

Ok

[wary goblet]

same here nice way to spend Friday night

[quaint anchor]

Is there a time limit in vrchat

[vocal shard]

vrchat social menu down?

[quaint anchor]

Oh thats why

[untold bane]

anyone wanna be my friend UwU?

[grizzled arch]

Changed avatar to one from favourites and after 3 minutes avatar changed itself to the default robot. After next 3 minutes changed again. and after third loading vrchat crashed

Anybody has experienced that?

[untold bane]

nope

[grizzled arch]

That's super weird. I think vrc team had released v 2021.1.1 too early

And game is now even more unstable

[magic sphinx]

anyone wanna play vrc?

[tender rock]

i would but its not my break just yet. when it is i might be free

[magic sphinx]

oh ok cool

how long is it until your break?

[tender rock]

just saying i play on quest, because my pc is SUPPOSED to be able to run vrchat, and steamvr but, its throttling and its cluttered with random garbage

also, my break is at 12:00 GMT

[magic sphinx]

i play on quest too

[tender rock]

oh ok cool#

which is in a hour and a half

add me on vrchat, user is hakerethan.

[magic sphinx]

sure

[tender rock]

i know its a dumb user but its kinda my thing now, its the name for basically all of my accounts. i made it in 2015 when i was dumb

lmao

[magic sphinx]

when its you're break wanna go into a resturant private server i'll be the customer your the person that has a job there

ok?

[tender rock]

alright then.

[magic sphinx]

lol cool

[tender rock]

say, just curious. i dont mind if you dont feel comfortable answering this but what age are you?

lmk if you dont wanna answer.

[magic sphinx]

i mean im comfortable but im 13

[tender rock]

ah cool, im 14

[magic sphinx]

cool

[tender rock]

cant wait to get to know you in game, i love meeting new people. ive met lots of awesome people every single day, and never went out of vrchat with a blank face.

[magic sphinx]

aww thats so sweet

or cool i mean no homo

[tender rock]

lmao

i should get back to work, ill dm you when im free alright?

[magic sphinx]

btw what do you work with?

[lunar root]

helloooo

[fleet dew]

evening

[lunar root]

i wanna make a frisk avatar but unity is being bad

[fleet dew]

ope

[patent python]

What causes vrchat to disconnect my WiFi?

[grizzled arch]

@magic sphinx If you want you can invite me on vrc. Nickname is the same as on discord. Without ! and []

[pseudo jewel]

anyone know why i was able to use gesture controls on controller yesterday but i can't today? holding down the binded button isn't doing anything at all now

[vocal shard]

anybody wanna talk? im bored-

[grizzled arch]

@vocal shard sure

[vocal shard]

yAy

hru?

[grizzled arch]

Do you want to talk on vrc or on discord?

[vocal shard]

discord-

[grizzled arch]

oh. i'm currently talking in vrc

[vocal shard]

ah ok

[winter pumice]

F in chat

[tender rock]

f

[pseudo jewel]

oh my gamepad controls are all screwed up because the gamepad buttons are binded to keyboard/mouse keys, how do i go back to using actual gamepad controls? i think it has something to do with steam

[jade copper]

Wait you can play with a gamepad wut

[late goblet]

i believe you can rebind buttons through steam big picture?

[open carbon]

hhm why do i keep getting unusual client behaviour when im in my home world.. or just normal in hub

[ruby needle]

Typically related to connection instabillities / dropouts. Which can range from local wifi issues to routing problems.

[open carbon]

is there a way to fix it?

[ruby needle]

Well, you'll need to diagnose your network.

Do you use wifi?

[knotty mortar]

how do you do the thing where u like do an extra thing and it changes ur avatar: something new appears on ur avatar with a certain key. or does it not work on desktop mode?

[ruby needle]

Generally a first start is restarting the router

[vocal shard]

Guys i need help with something when i chose an avatar it like flicers

[open carbon]

okay imma do that

[open carbon]

hhm how do you mean?

[ruby needle]

§15. No posting the same question or statement across multiple channels.

[lunar root]

i can't wait to play this game in vr rn i play in desktop mode

i'm buying a vr headset with money i got from selling my old gpu

then i'm saving to get a cpu that can run this game and most other vr games

rn when i load in other peoples' characters my frames drop to like 20 for a couple seconds

[gleaming hill]

I used Japanese input mode in VRChat and it did not seem to like it too much lmao

There was a world with text chat and it sent the kana just fine but did some weird things with the controls

[open carbon]

on desktop my vrchat works perfect for now but on vr i get send back with client behaviour is it bc of place space mover?

nvm it dint fixed

[lunar root]

if i load in a ton of avatars it stops responding for a bit

nooo i5-2400 screw you

[thorn urchin]

Hi! Ill need some help, for some reason i cant click the agree button on the terms and services tab, ive tried verifying the game files, is there a way to fix this?

[vocal shard]

I want to talk to the staff

#vrchat-support

[short cedar]

some dumb idiot just used a model to crash our whole lobby

[odd blaze]

sounds like a public world

🐌 eh it happens

[vocal shard]

anyone who likes my hero acidemia and wants to play it in vrchat dm me

[jaunty dust]

Any one have beerus with abilities

Dm me pls

[vocal shard]

no

[deft temple]

Can anyone do texturing for me?

[vocal shard]

no

[deft temple]

ok

[lunar root]

I get like 90fps in desktop mode in every map but among us map

[robust thunder]

How?

I get the best frames in among us

[gleaming hill]

[lunar root]

the among us vr map

[open carbon]

restarted router still doesnt work

[robust thunder]

Yea, I go like the best frames at that map

[lunar root]

oh

idk why i get low frames

[robust thunder]

I guess it's the coding and everything going on

[lunar root]

yeah. it could be peoples' avatars. I almost got 3 hours of play time now

[normal meteor]

Hello~

[lunar root]

mha map best map

i set it as my home

people are the most friendly and least weird there

[robust thunder]

Only 3 hours? You mean of total VRChat time?

[lunar root]

i downloaded it at like 9

in the morning it's been 7 hours

i also had to do work

[open crescent]

mainly 2 possible reasons:

1. Your computer is bad

[lunar root]

no i meant the among us map

[open crescent]

2. you are in a place with people with horribly unoptimized avatars

[robust thunder]

Ah, I was gunna say because I get like double that a day

[lunar root]

ooo ok

i'll play more when i get vr probably

[robust thunder]

Oh, you don't have a headset?

[lunar root]

no i just played in desktop mode

[robust thunder]

Then that's not too bad ay

[lunar root]

i'm buying a headset soon though and then saving up for a new cpu that can run the game
i think i'll be able to play in vr by like november so a while til i can play in vr

i found this frisk 3d model i'm turning into an avatar soon

i can play games up to job sim in the meantime

[neon hazel]

Anyone wanna play

[copper spear]

Is it normal for vrchat to regularly shut down my pc?

[ruby needle]

No

You might wanna check your hardware

[copper spear]

It only happens when I open vrchat

And not everyday but It happened 2 days since I started playing this game

[open crescent]

it is possible that the other software you use doesn't put a heavy load on you CPU/GPU/RAM and one of those has a problem, for example if your power source is not big enough

[copper spear]

Mhhh ok

[calm dirge]

@fervent blade I am and i also got it yesterday

[open crescent]

(or the problem might be in the power source itself)

[ruby needle]

Try verifying your game files on steam, and don't do anything with VRChat after that.

[odd blaze]

some people keep getting it, wonder if its a region thing

[lunar root]

the frisk avatar is so good

[calm dirge]

For no reason at all

[proper temple]

:]

[calm dirge]

@ruby needle How do i do that

[copper spear]

@fervent blade yeah I'm also getting client problems it was fine for a week now it's not

[ruby needle]

Steam, game settings and there is a button somewhere.

[copper spear]

Nice

[ruby needle]

Don't ever try that again @fervent blade

Not even a single one

[open crescent]

insulting the team isn't gonna get you anywhere

[ruby needle]

By that attitude you're not gonna fix the problem that in most cases lays on your install or networking side.

[open crescent]

maybe banned

[vocal shard]

kick him pls

perfect

[sharp rose]

Abusing mods: 60% of the time, it works every time. 😏

[open crescent]

woops he's gone

[vocal shard]

gotta clean up the trash from time to time

[sharp rose]

I'm all for helping people, but no one's here to take abuse.

[muted wharf]

something something tupper

poor tupper

:(

[sharp rose]

🤣

[proper temple]

?? ;-;

[sharp rose]

Tupper is frequently on the receiving end of aboos

[open carbon]

@ruby needle can you help i restarted routee but still doesnt work

[pseudo basalt]

maybe he likes it

[vocal shard]

what if he enjoy it ?

👀

[muted wharf]

[vocal shard]

I mean... What can you expect... Everyone thinks he owns the game.

[open crescent]

it's true I see the ocassional grey come here and immediately ping tupper with the same message

hehe

[vocal shard]

he is the main|| (and only)|| dev after all

[ruby needle]

Did you also verify the files through steam?

[muted wharf]

I mean, there are people that think we apparently own yachts and mansions or whatever else.

[sharp rose]

he made the game all by himself, yknow @vocal shard 😤

[umbral reef]

Wait your not literally bill gates rich?

[vocal shard]

smh my head

[muted wharf]

Nah fam, I got student loans lmao

[pseudo basalt]

he's the resident weeb degenerate at least so it's possible

[umbral reef]

Imagine not having a billion 👀
Almost wondering what you guys did with that funding
Why didnt you guys just buy some money printers

[fierce hinge]

i require some help with getting my avatar into vrc. how do i get it in?

[muted wharf]

then the dark rp cops would be after us

[vocal shard]

gotta invest in bitcoin
0 risk to lose it all

[pseudo basalt]

bitcoin is dead

invest in dogecoin

[open carbon]

How you do that

[ruby needle]

Like i said, on steam you go to the game's settings and somewhere there is the option for it

[open carbon]

Okay lemme check

[open crescent]

I for one am awaiting my invitation to the vrchat team yacht party

[vocal shard]

right click on game > properties > local files tab > verify integrity of game files @open carbon

[fierce hinge]

can somebody help me with my problem?

[vocal shard]

#user-support-old

[fierce hinge]

k

[open carbon]

I did it

[vocal shard]

try again i guess

[open carbon]

now just try to launch vrchat

still dont work

[toxic palm]

Is it possible to play vr chat on android?

[vocal shard]

no vrchat for you then I guess 🤷‍♀️

[open crescent]

no( except on the Oculus Quest)

[vocal shard]

hello, everyone

[toxic palm]

@open crescent damn it

But i just read some article on google that actually mobile user could play vr chat mobile but not officially out yet

[open carbon]

funny part is friends of mine dont use clients than me... i dont wanna get banned .-.

[lime hare]

looking back on it i think some dude on vrchat last night was trying to do sexual stuff w/ me but i was too out of it to even process what he was saying

i just ended up switching to baby grogu and demanding opiates as a bit and he switched to mando and went along w/ it

god i have been using vr so much these past few days that i was having auditory hallucinations when i went to bed last night

[toxic palm]

But i dont know how

[umbral reef]

Yea no that arcticle is totally wrong then
Any mobile mobile VRchat app or program you find is a fake
You will install a knockoff that doesnt work properly or a virus so dont do that

[open crescent]

where did you read that?

[lime hare]

theres some third party apps that let you view friends list, etc. that are legit, but they don't let you play the game

[umbral reef]

Even those can be risky if they ask you to login 🤷‍♂️

Like it being on the playstore doesnt make it more safe at all

[steep turtle]

yeah, i wouldn't trust any third party stuff

unless y'know otherwise

[ruby needle]

There is even ripoff scam games on there

like VR C

[elfin estuary]

Yo

[ruby needle]

[elfin estuary]

I need help

And don't tell me to go to support channel

[toxic palm]

Just can be played

[umbral reef]

Well thats literally the place for it
And for sure if you wont even say what you need help with lmao

[vocal shard]

#user-support-old #vrchat-support

[toxic palm]

Damn

[elfin estuary]

i don't want to bother pros cause maby it is obvious

[vocal shard]

u don't bother anyone, it's literally a channel made to ask for help

[elfin estuary]

ok, i'll go there

[lunar root]

why did vrchat just crash wot

[pale timber]

because something went wrong

[lunar root]

i think someone had too big of an avatar

like too many moving parts

and my pc just died

[elfin estuary]

poor guy...

[open crescent]

wouldn't doubt it, the 300 MB avatars are very unfortunately a real thing

[elfin estuary]

bruh nobody is replying

is ok, i have time

[steep turtle]

would crash avatars like that load on quest?

[elfin estuary]

i think yes

[lunar root]

i'm so excited to make an avatar but atm the download file is broken

[steep turtle]

ohshoot

[lunar root]

don't think so

[open crescent]

100% sure most of those are PC only

[lunar root]

quest only loads avatars and worlds that don't use a lot of resources

[open crescent]

but if there was a quest version it would most certainly be automatically hidden for exceeding the quest requirements

[summer bridge]

Great This is bad now I just made a gipsy Avenger model now I gotta wait for a day or something to upload it even tho I played the game for 24 hours.

[open crescent]

such is life

[steep turtle]

alrightiee

[open crescent]

you can by vrchat+ if you are in a hurry

[lunar root]

wait how long do you have to have played to upload a model?

[summer bridge]

24 hours -_-

[ruby needle]

Becoming verified by the trust system is based on reaching a not time based trust score, which's exact algorithm is unknown to prevent exploitation.

You presumably need to play the game in a normal manner with your VRChat account, walking around, meeting people and also making some friends. Idling won't help.
According to many responses in this discord, a rough estimate would be ** 20-40 hours**, but big exceptions are possible.

Make sure you are not using a steam or oculus account and continue playing the game until you get a notification or e-mail.

http://help.vrchat.com/kb/article/27-why-cant-i-upload-avatars-or-worlds-yet

Alternatively, you can subscribe to VRC+ for one month to get to new user directly. https://hello.vrchat.com/vrchat-plus-faq

[lunar root]

ok thanks

i'm gonna go make a vrchat acc

[summer bridge]

I'm literally using my Steam account which is linked to my VRchat..

[open crescent]

if it is linked it's fine

[summer bridge]

Then why no message to me?

Didn't be afk btw.

[open crescent]

you haven't fullfilled the requierements

[summer bridge]

Oofie.

Welp.How long should I wait to upload my badass gipsy avenger?

[open crescent]

read what FPaul wrote it's all there

[summer bridge]

Great....

[open crescent]

excellent

[lunar root]

Noooo

[open crescent]

yes

[lunar root]

my 5 hours of play time all gone now i have a new acc

i don't actually care really

[summer bridge]

And now I gotta play for another 12 - 24 hours cuz idk how much I have been afk.

[lunar root]

oh stop moaning

[open crescent]

what, you deleted your account and created a new one? for any reason in particular?

[lunar root]

no i used to use a steam acc

now i got a vrChat acc

[summer bridge]

Dude I made the character that I love the most and I wanted to upload it :/

[open crescent]

ah I think your time is preserved

[summer bridge]

You shoulda linked your Steam acc with ur Vrchat acc

[lunar root]

ohhh ok thanks

[open crescent]

the first time I created the vrchat account I had been playing for a while, and so when I linked the steam one I immediately got the email basically

[lunar root]

how do i link my accounts?

i can't find any merge token

[open crescent]

I thought you just did that

[lunar root]

no i just made a vrchat account

[open crescent]

ah

[lunar root]

do you know where i find the token thing

[open crescent]

I think the website tells you how to get the merge token

I forgot

[vocal shard]

The merge token is in the game. If you log into the game from your original account, you open the settings menu and press upgrade. The taken is there

[lunar root]

there's no upgrade button

[open crescent]

I kinda don't believe you

I'm pretty sure there was an upgrade button

[lunar root]

i'll take a screenshot

https://imgur.com/a/n2yCWcP @open crescent

[open carbon]

fixed it

[lunar root]

can somone help i don't wanna do anything because if i add favourites to mjy account then they won't move over

[elfin matrix]

i've seen plenty of trusted steam users. why are people told otherwise?

[open crescent]

hmmm

maybe it's not in settings then but in the main menu?

[ruby needle]

You are logged into a VRChat account

So there is no button ofc

[open crescent]

OR in "Advanced Settings"? I don't remember where it is, doesn't the website say so?

oh, there you go

[ruby needle]

you need to login to your steam / oculus acount.

[lunar root]

ooooooooo i see

ok thanks

[open crescent]

whatcha talkin bout willis

[grim wolf]

Hey so with the quest 2 is it only arm tracking and nothing else?

[ruby needle]

hand's head and walking in the room.

[grim wolf]

So it's tracks your legs walking?

[ruby needle]

No it does not track leg positions

[grim wolf]

Ah ok

[ruby needle]

But you can stilll walk around the room.

[grim wolf]

OK thank you

[ruby needle]

No headset tracks leg's by default.

[grim wolf]

OK, can you get trackers for the legs?

[gleaming hill]

I want to eventually move in VRChat with my mind... and such a device potentially enabling that already exists.

[elfin estuary]

did anyone find a glitch to get out of black cat world?

Cause i did and please fix it

[gleaming hill]

collider problem probably

[elfin estuary]

idk

i'm not that smartt

if you have like flying avatar you can fly up trough cielling in specific spot

[open crescent]

if you want fullbody tracking you can use kinect or buy lighthouse base stations and htc vive trackers for legs and hip

[gleaming hill]

That's a collider issue then for sure

The fix would be pretty simple

[grim wolf]

OK thank you for that information

[umbral reef]

Ask the world creator that isnt inthis chat to fix it 👀
No one here can change or fix the world for ya

[elfin estuary]

like another barrier?

[open crescent]

trackers are the best option but of course kinect is cheaper

[umbral reef]

FBT wont work without a computer though

[open crescent]

yes that is important too

[gleaming hill]

A collider is basically like a barrier.

[grim wolf]

I have a comp

But I purchased the quest 2 will it all still work with the quest 2

[elfin estuary]

idk i'm not that smart when it comes to things like that

[open crescent]

only if you play with the quest 2 in PC

[elfin estuary]

but boy oh boy is it fun

[umbral reef]

If its connected to a computer then yes
Else no

[open crescent]

i.e. with link cable

[grim wolf]

OK, I bought a link cable

[gleaming hill]

I ended up getting scammed and bought a fake link cable last year. Gotta be careful.

I ended up getting an Index so that's a non-issue now though

[grim wolf]

How did you order a fake?

[gleaming hill]

Well, the head of the cable was soldered on... seriously

got it from newegg too

[grim wolf]

Newegg is usually good

[gleaming hill]

I figure the $50 wasn't worth the hassle of trying to RMA

[grim wolf]

So you paid $50 for it off newegg

[gleaming hill]

yes

[grim wolf]

Isn't the cable usually $90

[gleaming hill]

ended up getting another cable for the same price from BestBuy that worked very well

[grim wolf]

Yeh

[gleaming hill]

Since its an actual store, I could drive it back if it was junk

[rancid jewel]

sure i'll add you

i sent you the friend request

i'll be on later today

[languid beacon]

Miscommunication. It takes longer for steam accounts to get trusted since they don’t get any of the boosts from contributing content

They don’t actually level up slower. They just have less ways to level up

I think, anyway

Who knows what’s in the black box

[lucid sandal]

I think I’m green and played about 400 hours.

[lunar root]

i can't wait to use this 3d model i found

of frisk

even though i'm not sure how to make it work really well

https://www.deviantart.com/cadene/art/MMD-TDA-Frisk-and-Chara-DL-720366215?comment=1%3A720366215%3A4560961925

[vocal shard]

Hi! I was wondering if anyone knew good avatar worlds to find girl avatars in. I wasn't sure which chat to put it in so I just put it here lmao

[languid beacon]

Yeah I had orange at 152, and purple at 302 hours. But I was never a steam account

[lunar root]

If my pc can run desktop mode at 91 average fps, could it run the vr version at at least 60 fps?

[thin sky]

potentially no

[umbral reef]

Hard to say, there are an insane amount of variables that impact VR performance compared to PC

And even on PC there are a lot of things to keep in mind.

[thin sky]

there is no direct comparison from desktop fps to expected vr fps

[lunar root]

Ok

[umbral reef]

You can throw your specs down and we can give you an rough educated guess

[lunar root]

i5 2400 8gb ram and rx 570 4gb

[ruby needle]

absolutely not

[lunar root]

i'm gonna try anyway

[vocal shard]

[lunar root]

i'm upgrading soon though so i can play in vr then

[thin sky]

it'll be a pretty rough experience

[lunar root]

i'm fine with that

[thin sky]

you can prolly run it but I doubt it'll get a steady 60 fps

and FPS dips in VR are fucking brutal

[lunar root]

ok

[thin sky]

but yeah you basically need to upgrade everything there

[lunar root]

my new cpu will make it work

[thin sky]

VR is easily one of the hardest things you can put your computer through

[regal furnace]

vr doesnt have the typical 60fps mark, for VR its 90

[thin sky]

I would upgrade the video card

and yea

[regal furnace]

i would upgrade the entire system. that i5 isnt gonna cut it that well most likely

[thin sky]

you really should be looking to buy a 1000$ build at least to run VR comfortably

[lunar root]

others have it work with that gpu that's one of the reasons i bought it and running it in vr won't put much more stress on the gpu than in desktop mode. It's mainly the cpu i'm scared about

[umbral reef]

No?

A proper 700 setup can run VR perfectly fine, just gotta find the right parts and set it together yourself 🤷‍♂️

[regal furnace]

vr will put A LOT more stress on the GPU

[lunar root]

ok

[thin sky]

I'm under the assumption he isn't buying parts when they drop to lowest prices and building it all himself

I would say just spend the extra and future proof yourself a bit

[regal furnace]

its easy saying to spend more, but we dont even know their financial position

[thin sky]

fair

[languid beacon]

Or 144. But yeah 90 is the typical “full framerate”- 60 doesn’t feel smooth in vr. I mean, it’s useable, but it’s noticeable jaggy unlike on a stationary monitor

I’m not sure why

[regal furnace]

144hz is more like the premium standard, 90 being the normal one

[languid beacon]

I’m spoiled. 144 feels live smooth and 90 feels like “oh yeah this was my old headset”

[regal furnace]

i dont need to go to 144hz since my PC cant even push 90 most of the time ;-;

[odd lava]

this vram will disappear in 1 second

[thin sky]

I value the resolution too much to go back to the index

[regal furnace]

i value the FoV too much to go back to anything with less than the index

[thin sky]

I do miss the smoother refresh rate but man the resolution differences are so nice

[languid beacon]

I mean I can’t hit 144 for most of the time either. But due to how v sync works if you can’t hit your max refresh you’re going to get drops to half. And chances are you can hit 72 (half of 144), so you will get more fps targetting 144, than targetting 90 and dropping to 45

[lunar root]

i'm gonna be playing with WMR btw

[regal furnace]

good point

[thin sky]

G2 or odyssey?

actually on that note. Can anyone with a G2 confirm if the hand tracking is as bad as it was on the odyssey?

[languid beacon]

It’s a risk reward thing, if you can’t hit 90 but could hit 72, 144hz is better. But if you can’t hit 72 but could hit 45, 90hz is better. Adaptive refresh rate would give us the best of both worlds, but the technology isn’t fast enough at switching seamlessly

[lucid oriole]

Is there anyway to message a friend in vrchat?

[regal furnace]

discord

there is no ingame text chat

[lucid oriole]

:(

[regal furnace]

trust me, a lot of people asked for this already

[lucid oriole]

I gussed

[languid beacon]

I’m predicting when we get photo invites there will be lots of drawing with markers and photographing it

[lucid oriole]

Probably

Have they said if quest will be getting camera mode

[languid beacon]

That makes me curious, anyone who bought VRChat plus and uses the account on quest, do you get the icon-making selfie camera?

[lunar root]

we really need a text chat

[lilac swan]

Once Facebook lets you access the files stored on the headset I'm sure VRchat will add the camera to the quest version, because the issue is you can't get them to your computer.

[lunar root]

i don't wanna use my mic

[languid beacon]

Third person as well as local text chat are one of those two things that would completely destroy what makes the game special, that’s just my personal opinion though.

[lunar root]

actually yeah i agree now you said it

that makes sense

[summer flare]

I need a bit of help, I can't get into friends worlds or public worlds, everytime I accept invites it doesn't even work

https://tenor.com/view/cry-sad-why-anime-himouto-gif-5298257

I don't know what to do anyone have any ideas?

[languid beacon]

If text chat were added overnight I’m pretty sure everyone would stop talking, and desktop use would start to segregate from VR to exclusive text chat groups.

You know what sucks in vr?

Reading text.

And typing

[lilac swan]

Sansar had text chat and it was awful. You'd join a populated area, almost dead silence. When you bring up the chat window it'd be full of life though

[languid beacon]

At that point just throw in third person and call it Second Life. You know how VRChat is called Mirror Simulator? It can be worse. SL is called Standing Simulator. Because everyone just stands around and silently texts.

[echo sierra]

gotta say, had a weird night at black cat. Only got weirder as time went by

[languid beacon]

Also it’s just personal experience but public game local text chat tends to be more toxic and drama-prone than voice chat.

[thin sky]

people are less likely to be assholes when they hear themselves being assholes

[languid beacon]

Lol... I have so much to say about Sansar. And none of it is good. The rules here forbid me from unfolding my lengthy pre-written speech so y’all are saved.

I have no hate for it just unbridled disappointment and frustration

[lilac swan]

Compared to the early days they did manage to improve things tremendously before they sold it off, which they should get some credit for. But the fact things were as bad they was to begin with is awful.

Not being able to see your own avatar, things like that.

[lunar root]

I find vrchat so fun even though I've only played in desktop mode

[languid beacon]

VRChat devs have been doing an excellent job at dodging all of the mistakes that Sansar fell into so I’ve been happy making a new home here

[lunar root]

My pc wont turn off oh crap

[lilac swan]

My favourite Sansar headscratcher was you needed to use a terminal at their nexus world if you wanted to visit a new world you haven't seen before. Sounds great for world hopping!

[steel cairn]

Bois, I have a question, is it wrong to start a halo cult in vrchat ?

[rancid jewel]

what even is sansar @languid beacon

oh its
events

[lunar root]

my pc turned on and working now

amber light on the mobo though

[languid beacon]

It used to be another VR social platform. Technically it is still around but it changed focus and is now about VR events.

[lunar root]

i got so scared my pc broke

oops wrong chat

[languid beacon]

Think about how Fortnite occasionally has those music event things in-game? Sansar is that, minus having a game.

[rancid jewel]

oh lol

[vocal shard]

Is the announcement about the emm thing

Idk tbh.

[covert chasm]

Among others, but yes, this applies to that.

[vocal shard]

Oh okay

hey tupper, didn't you use a modified client once?

[loud void]

wassup yall!@

[covert chasm]

Nope!

[scenic plume]

@covert chasm Yall should add dynamic bone touching with on/off feature :p

[covert chasm]

One day we will!

[jovial radish]

emm users gonna start being wiped now even if they arent doing anything harmful to other player experience?

[fierce rock]

I'm guessing there's a big sweep going on to remove modified clients

[vocal shard]

Hm, okay, just wanted a rumour busted, thanks Tupp :3

[quiet geyser]

Toggleable bones for Quest?

[covert chasm]

Please read the announcement!

[vocal shard]

make your own dyn bone system
that's properly optimized and can take advantage of jobs
Please.

Tupper, can I send you a quick DM

[idle elm]

lol

[vocal shard]

I'm tired to see those damn 4k collision check bullshit e-girl

[lost raft]

uh, does running vr chat on linux count as using a modified client

[lofty pumice]

@covert chasm are my friends gonna get banned bc basically everyone i know has one

[covert chasm]

Secondary motion is hard, we'll give it our best shot.

[gray edge]

i feel like vrchat has priorities completely backwards, you should implement missing features first and THEN start reminding people not to use mods

[rocky blaze]

i swear a good 60% mod the game

[vocal shard]

if they get caught, yes

[lofty pumice]

lmao

[quiet geyser]

True

[vocal shard]

Please do 🙏

[jovial radish]

yes

[lost raft]

also what's the reasoning for banning client modifications of any kind?

i don't really get it

[covert chasm]

Please read the announcement! Your question is answered there.

[lofty pumice]

it breaks the game

[sterile summit]

I still don't actually use one

[wispy stump]

Wait does that include play space mover?

[lost raft]

not it wasn't lol

[fluid sandal]

So basically "We want people to buy the plus status so we banned mods that let people have more slots than we provide for free"

[vocal shard]

I heard that VRChat doesn't have its own scheduler system, and using "jobs" is a 2019 unity thing, not 2018

[river pagoda]

Playspace mover is OVR Advanced settings

So no i dont think so

[opal shadow]

so whats this about modified clients? why would you even mod the game? to skip saftey settings or something?

[covert chasm]

OVR Advanced Settings / Playspace Mover is fine-- its a Steam overlay.

[sterile summit]

Playspace and stuff doesn't count as a mod

[molten panther]

yeah ovr settings is an overlay not a modded client

[dry flume]

nah thats a steamvr addon not a vrchat mod

[hollow stirrup]

Play Space pogU

[covert chasm]

It does not modify the VRChat application's code.

[pearl kraken]

@covert chasm Have you guys ever considered adding some sort of mod system yourself? There are quite a few mods that ARENT harmful that add utility that I don't see you guys implementing yourselves

[crystal flower]

❤️

[gray edge]

if its that hard then i can send you my 100 line piece of code that i wrote in 2 hours because i was bored that lets you have like 1000+ transforms at 120fps on a crappy intel i5 laptop, but i really dont think "hard" is the issue

[lost raft]

@covert chasm will running on linux get your account banned

[fierce rock]

Mods are to do stuff like teleport, fly, shit like that

[jovial radish]

this

[wispy stump]

Ok thank you for the response

[quiet geyser]

e

[reef pagoda]

Play space mover is quote on quote a addon for VRchat

[dry flume]

it's an addon for SteamVR

[pearl kraken]

playspace doesn't modify the client in anyway

[fierce rock]

It's an add-on for any game

[dry flume]

not vrchat

[covert chasm]

Feel free to MIT license it, shove it up in Github!

[opal shadow]

ah alright, cheers. i do notice a lot of the time on small models, people climb up invisible space? whats that about?

[fluid sandal]

Shouldn't they at least provide infinite avatar slots then like the mods did if they want people to buy their plus service?

[covert chasm]

Proton does not modify runtime code, AFAIK.

[rough pulsar]

There's no reason for it to, I run vrc on my linux machine for some stuff.

[fierce rock]

Probably a playspace mover or something on the avatar

[lofty pumice]

@covert chasm how do i stop trusted users from breaking my game ive had it happen like 5 times is there some verification to prevent this

[opal shadow]

i see

[lost raft]

@covert chasm wine and etc often involve modifying the client to some extent on the fly

[hidden veldt]

Global dynamic bones when

[reef pagoda]

XS put on safety settings

[sterile drift]

Playspace mover is an integrated feature within SteamVR, and is not hooked into VRChat in any way.

[sterile summit]

@lofty pumice It's not just trusted users, it's just annoying people

[uncut hill]

💯

[covert chasm]

Either employ the mute/block function we provide in the game, or report those users to our moderators via #moderation-reports

[fossil forge]

I find it funny that they want me to pay for features for a game that runs like crap

[hidden veldt]

GDB is why "most" people use mods to begin with, implementing them in would move a ton of people away from them

[rough pulsar]

That level of 'code modification' happens so late on in how the application runs that it's not a concern.

[hidden veldt]

I heard that you guys were working on them but then again, those are secondary sources so meh

[lost raft]

@covert chasm if you have access to the ears of the developers, please try to get a statement on the linux issue

[reef pagoda]

But we really do need a bone optimization bc ive seen some avatars with 5 times the limit.

[slate rock]

Tupper ilysm

[lofty pumice]

ah, makes sense is there some way i can activate safety with a hotkey i did it on accident before

[vocal shard]

Suggest using the particle limiter too
That's the only thing I use and I basically never get crashed and I only exist in public lobbies

[lost raft]

even if i didn't main linux, vr chat runs better on linux for me than it does on windows

[orchid raptor]

They don't want you to do anything. It's basically a donation. Playing the game without plus is the same as before plus came out. It's just a way to support the game.

[covert chasm]

I am the Community Manager for VRChat. My statement is a statement from the devs. 😛

[gray edge]

sure, will you use it for reference or will it still take 2+ years to be implemented?

[sterile summit]

I could never get the particle limiter to actually work

[reef pagoda]

Everytime they load they freeze the game

[wooden nebula]

What a nice reminder of clients not beeing allowed... last i checked my vrc ticket with enough evidence of client abuse, didnt got that person any punishment ;c

[lost raft]

@covert chasm no i'm asking you to please ask them about running on linux specifically

[fossil forge]

except of all the bonuses that you get, like extra slots

[lost raft]

@covert chasm like, ask them if there are any issue with running on linux in regards to the modification thing

[jovial radish]

How does one get "caught" for using a modified client? doing things that regular clients cant do I assume is covered (flyhacking, noclip, esp) in publics, but will people really be banned for using a mod that enables dynamic bone interactions between players etc?

[ruby needle]

In nearly all cases it boild down to not the right / watertight proof

[vocal shard]

it's just a json file
they even provide a download link to an example file

[lost raft]

@covert chasm that's a question that you don't seem to have an answer for

[dry flume]

Bruh why would you get banned for running VRChat on Proton it's literally a compat layer, you're still running the same Windows version of the game

[fossil forge]

A donation means that you are giving money with nothing in return

[rough pulsar]

One of the devs once made a small tweak to how youtube-DL worked to help make things work on linux. They have no problem with running vrc via proton.

[wooden nebula]

but a clear recording of someone aggreeing to it?

[ruby needle]

As long as you run the native client with things like wine then it's not modified.

[fossil forge]

VRC+ isnt a donation, its a subscription service

[covert chasm]

We don't support running VRChat on Linux. Using Steam Proton to play VRChat should work, but if it doesn't, we can't help you fix it and we won't make bugfixes to support it specifically.

If you run into a case where you think you've been moderated due to weirdness running in Proton, feel free to contact Moderation.

[delicate scarab]

should i buy a Valve Index or Oculus Rift

[fierce rock]

Donation in the form of a subscription

[vocal shard]

index.

[uncut hill]

Seems right 😂

[sterile summit]

Index

[reef pagoda]

If you have the money Index for sure

[rough pulsar]

The issue at hand is if the VRC client code is changed or not. If legitimate unmodified code is passed to Proton/Wine then there's no issue.

[lunar root]

i should never have played desktop mode now i wanna play so bad even when i don't have a new cpu yet

[orchid raptor]

Which once again, affects nothing and doesn't negatively affect your game in any way. People have been asking for a way to support the game got years and said they would do so without any extra features. They just decided to include some features which are entirely vanity.

[lost raft]

@covert chasm that's not what i was asking; obviously you do not officially suppor running on linux; that does not mean that you can't let linux users know what may or may not affect them

[pearl kraken]

Bumping because this would honestly be a huge QoL feature to have

[covert chasm]

Can you please restate your question, then? Perhaps I'm misunderstanding.

[lofty pumice]

will i get banned if my friends use clients but i dont i mean they like teleport and stuff to me is it like an association type thing or no

[vocal shard]

no since you don't use a modded client

[fierce rock]

Only they'll be affected

[lofty pumice]

ah nice

[ruby needle]

Imagine not knowing about the fps start parameter.

[covert chasm]

You can bypass the FPS "lock" by using the --fps=N launch option!

🙂

[vocal shard]

you don't need a modded client to bypass avatar limit xd

[latent widget]

Everyone panicking as if this is new information

[robust cobalt]

There's always one

[rocky blaze]

from hearing what my friends use there is a few things i'd like to be part of the game tbh

[covert chasm]

Please read the docs!!! 🙂 🙂 🙂

[vocal shard]

we found the 🤡

[cloud cobalt]

hi everyone

[ripe hornet]

why read the docs when i can yell at devs

[white fjord]

lmao

[vale summit]

miller?

[wooden nebula]

i provided a recording and a youtube video where the person clearly logs into a third party application, including a voice recording. What else would be required?

[latent widget]

Yes that's ne

[jaunty berry]

Why are people attacking Tupper I'm confused

[hollow stirrup]

@covert chasm In related to reporting client users, what would be considered water-tight proof. Is there a good example on the moderation page that I can refer to when collecting evidence of a malicious client user? Sorry for the ping.

[cloud cobalt]

everyone here likes to joke when the mods are tryna be professional its reallt funny to me

[fierce rock]

If people have such a problem they can move to that new social game that's probably never coming since the devs are lazy assholes

[jovial radish]

No, but this might be the passive message saying "here come the waves even if you arent affecting any other players, so dont say we didnt tell you 😄 "

thats why people are asking

[fierce rock]

Talking about the devs of the other game

[covert chasm]

I don't know, I'm not a moderator. I expect since they ask for video and etc in #moderation-reports that'd probably work best??

[pearl kraken]

Anytime an announcement is made people attack them, just par for the course at this point

[lofty pumice]

nah they arent i think everyone just has alot of questions

[worn arch]

clients are fun

[solid hornet]

Is it safe to use Reshade with VRChat?

[fossil forge]

People should be able to submit custom clients to the team so they can test to see if it runs well

[reef pagoda]

Im guessing 50% of the game pop going to get banned for using modded clients then including big streamers

[gray edge]

sometimes i feel like vrchat is a zombie startup

[rapid cypress]

Thank you tupper

[devout berry]

What is happening???

[orchid raptor]

People feel they are entitled to things when they don't realize that an extremely bandwidth heavy game that requires massive servers cant be run forever for free.

[rapid cypress]

🧎‍♂️

[latent widget]

Seems like it

[lost raft]

i have to be honest that i don't understand why a modified client is an issue if it behaves the exact same way from the perspective of the vr chat servers

that seems incredibly petty

[stoic haven]

@covert chasm , I admire you, I have no idea how you handle all of this. I would of run out of patience long ago. A lot of abuse and a lot of yelling and yet you are still here. I don't know how you do it.

[rocky blaze]

like for the things i've heard are 1. being able to have an optimised mirror by a click of a button if the world doesn't offer one. 2. remove dynamic bones completely instead of limiting them and 3. being able to reload everyones avatars if they dont load.....but i guess its too much to ask

[primal oak]

Good. Less streamers less obnoxious people trying to exploit others for content.

[placid rapids]

ban em all. roll out some ban waves

[lethal stream]

Which modded clients are there.

[rough pulsar]

Security. VRC client code is generally assumed to be trusted. Then you have some random twit modifying the client code, do you trust them?

[vocal shard]

@covert chasm in the middle of all that shitstorm
Thanks for that reminder
It's really annoying when you have people saying that's some mods are allowed, insulting you then crashing you
Finally a proper statement that it's bullshit 😘

[rough pulsar]

I sure a shit don't

[winter wren]

Hey, can I ask a dumb question about vrc+?

[lost raft]

"RC client code is generally assumed to be trusted." no fucking way

[devout berry]

ReShade is injecting shaders by using modified graphics library. It is not a client, but I would not risk it, since it is injection at runtime work principe.

[rapid cypress]

Is easy, just check if the person is doing weird stuff, record them, ezpz

[covert chasm]

I'm on hardmode, I'm currently in the middle of nicotine withdrawl-- 5 days in

[jaunty berry]

Tupper your awesome I hope your ok

[ripe hornet]

Would it be possible for modders to "donate" their code?

[rough pulsar]

Think of it this way, if it was malicious, do you think it'd last long on steam?

[void steeple]

I'm worried how this will affect bHaptics since the current method of supporting it is through melonloader.

[vocal shard]

Good job
keep it up

[worn arch]

im not paying 50+ for less features then i can get for free, plus the only way to get int someones account is scams then again what are you gona do with a messly VRC account, clients pave the way

[white fjord]

damn nice work

[covert chasm]

I am the Community Manager for VRChat.

[primal oak]

Why can't the game be hardcoded to only let you launch it with an unmodified client?

[hollow rover]

hi

[reef pagoda]

Mate am guessing your the typical purple user that sits at a mirror all day with a low self esteem.

[rapid cypress]

Wait tupper you smoke ? I had you on a pedestal 😔

[robust cobalt]

aye, good job! :D

[lost raft]

@rough pulsar no i mean, obviously, my lol is that that's a terrible way to program anything multiplayer

[lament zinc]

😓 Oh dear. I wish you the best of luck Tupper.

[placid umbra]

@vocal shard Is it surprising that staff members exist that are not moderators?

[lost raft]

that's like bad multiplayer programming 101

[scarlet flare]

Sheesh the feathers have been ruffled, eh?

[placid rapids]

please please please roll out some ban waves

[primal oak]

Pff lmao, you think streamers find those people interesting? They prey on lower rank users

[hollow stirrup]

Oshoot, another one joins into the fray. Good luck Aev.

[placid umbra]

[vocal shard]

wolfie_OG
the dude that only come talk here when an update break something or we talk about modded client
and it's only to complain
Very cool

[fierce rock]

It's a very nice

[winter wren]

ah apparently I showed up in the middle of the modded client drama.

My solution is that I'm lazy and don't use a modded client.

[slow cypress]

Index.

[lofty pumice]

@covert chasm will there be a ban wave is there someway to get my friends to not get banned like can i make them not use a client

[covert chasm]

I think people have this image of VRChat devs being some ragtag team of randos sitting in a Discord server 🤔

[solid hornet]

Thanks for the reply, I'll keep using Reshade for all my VRChat fun

[distant rampart]

Hi frend

[orchid raptor]

@covert chasm Quit cold turkey, no patches or anything, it's the best way, weaning yourself off it with replacements only makes your body continue to crave it.

[covert chasm]

I mean, we're a ragtag team of randos but we get paid and we use something other than Discord 🙃

[vocal shard]

that's not the case ?
Dreams shattered.

[reef pagoda]

Ok, gamer.

[vocal shard]

well, you shouldn't need to use "--fps=N" in the launch settings anyway, was it because that the fps is locked to that because the way the game runs? im pretty sure games FPS lock is tied to the ingame runtime speed of processing logic, including basic movement and looking around

[scarlet flare]

I did see a comment about bhaptics mod, which currently requires injection. Any thoughts? @covert chasm

[devout berry]

Well, I said I WOULD NOT do that, but your choice...

[covert chasm]

That is a violation of the VRChat Terms of Service and may/will result in moderation action, per the text in #announcements .

[stoic haven]

Look guys, VRChat is a free product that you are allowed to use free to charge. It's not yours, you don't own it. Free doesn't mean abuse it and modify it. Use it as it was intended. You don't actually have any right to modify it or anything. You break the terms and conditions of a product provided to you for free under certain conditions. Why would you not expect a ban?

[vocal shard]

I've seen you in-game multiple times
And i'm surprised you aren't perma banned

[hollow stirrup]

I bet y'all use Skype for Business like a gamer. 🤣

[scarlet flare]

@covert chasm I was more looking for any hint that it was being thought of internally for direct partnership with bhaptics

[uncut hill]

idea ... add official support for bhaptics 🤔

[primal oak]

Bhaptics sucks though

[strange wagon]

@covert chasm what about people that use vrcx? 🤔

[covert chasm]

Once they conform to OpenXR standards and we fully support OpenXR natively, sure!

[ruby needle]

bhaptics works without any client modification trough the shader method aswell.

[devout berry]

Weren't there also that graphical avatar side option that used blinking dots? Hmm... But that breaks rules too - adds UI element.

[uncut hill]

👍

[scarlet flare]

VRCX is api based.... Whole different ball of wax

[vocal shard]

so if you make stuff for the game (and you are from 2018?) then you are protected from bans ?
alright

[hollow stirrup]

That's using the API, not modifying the game files 👀

[latent widget]

Vrcx reads api, not modify

[strange wagon]

just wanted to make sure. cause it isn't a client but it sounds like a grey area

[lofty pumice]

how do i bypass the fps lock again?

[neon oracle]

🤣

[ruby needle]

start parameter

[vocal shard]

--fps=N

[ruby needle]

^

[covert chasm]

AFAIK that doesn't involve modifying the VRChat client, but does have a very spooky Steam DLL in it. I wouldn't use it.

[sterile summit]

Is there a way to make the game use less bandwidth in general?

[fierce rock]

I've been playing since 2018 and I would understand if I got banned since I've used clients in the past

[scarlet flare]

API is its own danger but not directly TOS

[lofty pumice]

what does that mean do i type that into the game when i load up orr

[scarlet flare]

Unless you accidentally ddos like what happened in 2018

[robust cobalt]

Them steam dlls are too spooky 👻

[latent widget]

Accidentally

[vocal shard]

in the steam launch parameters

[uncut hill]

Imagine getting banned because you are spamming the api

[ruby needle]

Indeed, the steam DLL of it IS a issue, do not use the steam login option

[lost raft]

@sterile summit setting a bandwidth limiter programming running on your computer might work

[vocal shard]

Yeah VRCX doesn't modify the game, and I don't think you even need to install the dll, but you are still logging into it with your account credentials

[scarlet flare]

You do realize VRCX is GPL?

[covert chasm]

That doesn't make it not-spooky. 😛

[robust cobalt]

;)

[strange wagon]

honestly, i just like vrcx because of favoriting and looking for public avatars based on authors. much comfier

[scarlet flare]

You can just compile it without steam functions

[devout berry]

Even open source stuff can be malicious.

[lost raft]

tbh i have a feeling the VRC people might not have completely considered how much you can do without modifying the client itself

[ruby needle]

I dont think we need to dive any deeper into that specific app, all important things have been mentioned.

[muted wharf]

Nah we use a privately-hosted XFire server lmao

[scarlet flare]

that's why it's open source, though. Build it yourself and you have control over what it does...?!!

[rancid sphinx]

i hope the devs are studying why people use modified clients instead of just blindly banning. other games have done something similar and it led to their downfall. most mods for any games are just QoL improvements so they can enjoy the game instead of waiting for the devs to hopefully make changes

[ruby needle]

Andything that needs to hook into and manipulates the client is a modified client.

[covert chasm]

Something being open source does not automagically make it safe. As an example, hop on the Arch user repo and start installing random packages and see how long you last lol

[stoic haven]

X-Fire! Oh man! Memories!

[robust cobalt]

Xfire?! wait is that still a thing? XD

[muted wharf]

Unfortunately not :(

[lofty pumice]

where is start parameter?

[knotty ferry]

^

[lost raft]

lol

[stoic haven]

Bring back Xfire

[hearty crag]

this

[robust cobalt]

You made me happy and sad in a few seconds ;(

[devout berry]

If you wanna be sure, check WHOLE code and compile it from source. Do not use releases. Still, I would not login into a 3rd party thing... Just to be safe.

[muted wharf]

There is PFire though, which is a project to recreate the server code for it.

[sand basin]

Hey look it's Shinji

[covert chasm]

We are.

[stoic haven]

I need to look that up.

[robust cobalt]

:O

[vocal shard]

Damn, man be spitting facts

[muted wharf]

Yeah it's just on Github I believe.

[stoic haven]

PFire doesn't sound as epic as Xfire tho

[sterile summit]

Why was that message deleted?

[lofty pumice]

what message just got deleted

[lament zinc]

Well that got censored real fast

[latent widget]

90% lmfaooo talking out your ass

[vocal shard]

oh boi

[covert chasm]

Do you ever say anything like... positive? D: Do you need some water or something?

[robust cobalt]

If i can get my old stats back, that would be legendary but thats lost in cyberspace :( still would be awesome to use it again! :D

[uncut hill]

Like i want to say something but it would probably get me banned from here 😂 so i wont

[lost raft]

tbh i can completely understand why they wouldn't want to use code contributed by modders given that things probably won't be programmed in a way they want it implemented

[distant rampart]

Yeah from what I see there are some QOL additions and fixes out there, for current underlying problems that have existed for months/years, so I hope they are studying the good stuff.

[urban talon]

Oh my god, Xfire. Are we going to start trading ICQ numbers next?

[robust cobalt]

xD

[vocal shard]

look at his old messages
It's only complains and being a cheeky smartass to people 😂

[stoic haven]

xDDD

[muted wharf]

They may want to see a doctor if they got PFire

[covert chasm]

The number of times I got spooked by the "UH OH" sound effect

[lost raft]

people are bringing bac Xband too

[stoic haven]

PPFire

[urban talon]

UH OH

[neon oracle]

lmao

[robust cobalt]

ExFire, saves a law suit xD

[orchid raptor]

PFire sounds like a health problem. 😅

[fierce rock]

PK Fire?

[urban talon]

I should honestly make that my new notification sound, I wonder how long I'd last

[vocal shard]

I suck them up everyday with a smile on my face
What are you going to do about it ? Complain about your poor modded client ? 😢

[lofty pumice]

WHAT the fuck is oatmeal

[fierce rock]

Good

[latent widget]

Oats

[scarlet flare]

Oof. Anyway good luck on your journey into non smoking @covert chasm

Cheers

[muted wharf]

idk, but it's more understandable than trying to figure out what styrofoam is

[fast pike]

so toxic smh 🍋

[stoic haven]

Can't say I've ever tried to eat styrofoam

[lofty pumice]

thats deep asf bro

[muted wharf]

also nicotine withdrawals suck, best of luck :v

[hollow stirrup]

Bruh y'all gotta learn the difference between being nice and sucking up.

[covert chasm]

thanks!

[steel cairn]

Bois, I have made a halo cult in vrchat

[flint cloud]

Oatmeal is a type of coarse flour made of hulled oat grains that have either been milled or steel-cut. Ground oats are also called "white oats". Steel-cut oats are known as "coarse oatmeal", "Irish oatmeal" or "pinhead oats". -Wikipedia

[covert chasm]

its almost as bad as knock brush. almost

[neon oracle]

Tupper knows exactly why people use clients. They are just too slow to actually implement the features they say they are "already planning to add". But hey, we pay for the game now 🤷‍♂️

[compact river]

mmm food

[calm moth]

Where'd all that funding go to?

[fast pike]

[cedar frost]

vrchat install seems pretty spooky, i wouldn't use it personally

[winter wren]

okay so I guess I'll toss out the question anyway.
If you grab VRC for a month you get a trust level increase. If that's on a new account that doesn't have the first level of trust yet and they cancel in... I dunno... 6 months. Do they lose basic trust to upload?

[wanton galleon]

tupper is OVR allowed

[spring vine]

Pfffff

[north bluff]

i used to get spooked by that sound like ... every time it happened

[stoic haven]

I've always used the default client and I enjoy supporting the game. 🤷‍♂️

[winter wren]

and if so what happens to things they've uploaded?

[sterile summit]

Do you think some of the VRC staff uses clients?

[fast pike]

[strange wagon]

i mean it took almost 3 years to implement player individual mic levels

[jovial kestrel]

No it's permanent.

[calm moth]

probably but they won't admit it

[muted wharf]

None of us do. That'd be a very dangerous thing to do

[covert chasm]

No? Why would we???

[stoic haven]

Devs use Pfire

[lofty pumice]

anyone tryna play roblox rn nocap

[scarlet flare]

yes they do, it's called the beta

[wanton galleon]

@covert chasm Is OVR allowed

[vocal shard]

good thing you don't have to pay for it then huh ?

[fierce rock]

Why use clients when you can just make the modifications yourself and make it an update?

[covert chasm]

Yes, OVRAS is fine.

[winter wren]

@jovial kestrel Thanks, I kinda of assumed because from a programming standpoint that created like... a tire fire but I couldn't find an explicit statement

[scarlet flare]

🤣

[wanton galleon]

ty

[lost raft]

imagine using clients and not writing every packet by hand

[uncut hill]

😂

[vocal shard]

Pathetic

[winter wren]

just whistles really fast into a phone line. No computer/Quest needed.

[vocal shard]

imagine using packets, I send individual bits :p

[sterile summit]

So when are they releasing VRChat for the phone?

[vocal shard]

like 1k hours ?

[covert chasm]

P..python? 🤮

[wanton galleon]

a shit ton of my friends just had a heart attack because they all have OVR

[lost raft]

vrchat is never happening on a phone are you kidding

[stoic haven]

No no, when we implmenting PFire into VRChat as a new social menu, yes

[lost raft]

like PC performance is already rough enough as it is

[fierce rock]

VRChat on Stadia

[gusty dust]

that announcement

oh boi here we go several people are typing

[devout berry]

Sigh... Why people screw up the terminology all the time? Client = user side part of multiplayer game, but definitely doesn't instantly mean a modded client. Is it that hard to say it right, so there is no confusion?

[strange wagon]

i mean the quest is running on android so technically it is already

[vocal shard]

i didnt say anything :(

[covert chasm]

Don't shoot bystanders, wolfie.

[sterile summit]

I mean actually port it to the phone, that'd be nice

[compact river]

ah

[pseudo mason]

port vrchat to the pico-8

[pastel storm]

As someone who doesn't have a modified client this is pure content, I just hope the VRC team takes action

[scarlet flare]

Then explain QUEST

[pseudo basalt]

I work as a python backend dev and can confidently say it sucks

[muted wharf]

Wait til we launch our pigeon-acceptance service, where you can fly pigeons at us with a flashdrive of packets for the low-low ping of roughly 5-10 business days

[fierce rock]

Just get Steam Link on your phone and you can play VRChat on your phone

[vocal shard]

I mean, VRChat can just use the quest varaint and port it to phone, its about the same quality

[covert chasm]

I wrote python for four years at my data science job. Python sucks. I hate it.

[gusty dust]

ruby ftw

[covert chasm]

I'd rather write JS lmao

[uncut hill]

😂 😂 😂

[covert chasm]

[pseudo basalt]

uNeXpeCtEd_iNdeNt

[muted wharf]

Pythoooooooon >:|

[strange wagon]

imagine the controls on phone though

[sterile summit]

I mean if you don't have a PC, and can't afford the Quest. It'd be nice to play phone "Desktop mode" or something

[orchid raptor]

I mean, VRChat can run Doom, so it's already a revolutionary system.

[lofty pumice]

thoughts on c++?

[lost raft]

js over python is a pretty bad take tbh

[stray leaf]

[cedar frost]

when are we getting vrchat bedrock and vrchat java

[vocal shard]

Heresy.

[covert chasm]

i don't want to think about where my memory pointer is, thank you very much

[uncut hill]

Kappa

[scarlet flare]

Python is great for quick and dirty, but holy crap it's just awful for async anything

[solid pendant]

^

[compact river]

you would not hurt me?

[devout berry]

C# is my choice for non-complex projects... Otherwise C/C++.

[spring vine]

yo just add all the stuff people go to modded clients for officially, (quality of life) non paid and you'll get all the egirls on your lap EZ, it breaks it breaks

[lost raft]

i mean you don't have to use pointers with c++

[sterile summit]

The game breaks with every update, might as well add fun stuff to it

[covert chasm]

C# is a very comfy middle ground, but I honestly prefer node/JS/typescript/whatever its called now for quick projects

[rugged void]

@spring vine agreed

[muted wharf]

haha node <cries internally, but happy>

[reef pagoda]

Yeah every update, a new bug appears

[scarlet flare]

I'm just saying for what I was using it for, I never could get my head around async.io @vocal shard

[pseudo basalt]

I love C# because unity gave me stockholm syndrome but it's honestly much comfier than anything else I've worked with

[merry lodge]

I did an oopsie

[covert chasm]

my favorite language is R, but using that for anything except its exceedingly specific purpose (statistical analysis) is an exercise in angery

[uncut hill]

Heyyy, vrc time out time !

[winter wren]

checks rules and doesn't make that joke

[lost raft]

python+wxpython supremacy

[covert chasm]

i mostly just like data.frames

[stoic haven]

Alright, now you're all speaking a language I don't understand

[calm moth]

New #faq: Where did you put the 10 million?

[lofty pumice]

bro the only reason i know how to script was because i had like a whole summer so i just learned how to do java, python, and c++. im trying to develop an ai algorithm i wanna analyze

[void steeple]

Just wanted to thank you for this reply. I passed it along to the bHaptics devs.

[strange wagon]

i kinda wish vrc+ users could change their name more often. just cause i changed my name and i wanna go back 😔

[covert chasm]

[wispy fog]

@covert chasm As someone who works exclusively in C#, I can totally agree that Node is an amazing experience. I guess NPM is like NuGet really. 🤔

[neon oracle]

tru, but u know a lot of ppl do. I like to support a game in early access but I think more features should be implemented faster with a team so big, especially considering some clients come out with features constantly. I just have it to flex as well tho xdd

[lunar root]

can i directly convert a .pmx to an avatar?

[pseudo basalt]

lmao tupper, that's a promise now

[muted wharf]

If you're asking for me to fix something on client, it's just going to get 300% worse. There's a reason why VRChat hired me for things-that-arent-Unity

[covert chasm]

yeah this is why you can't even joke on the internet nowadays

[sterile summit]

I bought VRC+ for me and my girlfriend, and I can confidently say that we basically don't use any of the features.

[wispy fog]

(Hate JS tho, gimmie my strong types back 👍)

[golden scaffold]

Pretty sure that's a suggestion already, but feel free to throw your input in here: https://vrchat.canny.io/vrchat-plus-feedback

[stoic haven]

What's a joke?

[calm moth]

🤔

[covert chasm]

sarcasm is dead. irony is buried

[strange wagon]

oh nice @golden scaffold

[neon oracle]

its purely a flex for the legendary users lol

[sterile summit]

Iron is meant to be underground

[winter wren]

oh wait I can. So hey I have a script that does some IoT stuff based on realtime log output (not specifically VRC but I was about to update it). No interaction with client. No data injection. Literally no hooks.
It just reads the text log and then executes some (ick) python to communicate on a separate websocket that's running a server for bluetooth devices.

That doesn't fall under the modded client issue, right?

[covert chasm]

Perfectly fine.

[snow wagon]

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[pseudo basalt]

too much sarcasm just reminds me of the times 9gag was popular and stuff like "i speak in sarcasm" was considered cool

[winter wren]

Also honestly undetectable unless you were scanning processes

[strange wagon]

aside from the favorites (which i feel like should be free since 25 is nothing) vrc+ offers nothing that makes you wanna buy it other than wanting to support the game (which is my main reason)

[jovial kestrel]

I thought you were supposed to eat a certain amount daily.

[pseudo basalt]

too much irony and you get deep fried memes with no thought put to them

[urban talon]

"fluent in sarcasm" is code for "please never speak to me"

[winter wren]

but I like being legal

[spring vine]

I mean if you guys truly wanted to get rid of clients, take out their stronghold, and add the things they provide

[void steeple]

Sarcasm doesn't transfer well on the internet, thats why we invented /s

[sterile summit]

I sometimes think about eating dirt to be honest

[pastel storm]

I say that cuz the TOS have always been like this and people did whatever they wanted to the point every popular instance has at least 1 or 2 guys flying around/teleporting people

[cedar frost]

[pseudo basalt]

good thing I never ended up buying a shirt with that on

[snow wagon]

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[urban talon]

sometimes, our past selves make good choices

[sterile summit]

I got it purely for that badge

[lost raft]

this game has been out for years how is it early support

[snow wagon]

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[spring vine]

Things like a personal mirror shouldnt be hard, and if it breaks, then add it to the last things to fix before an update since they are small fixes.

[stoic haven]

I love my little early supporter badge

[covert chasm]

'cause we ain't done

[snow wagon]

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[proper thunder]

so many of my friends have told me hey u should use this modifier it makes the game more fun and u wont be banned as its allowed, and i tell em its not allowed and i dont want my account banned or hack ever

[pseudo basalt]

i did get a shirt that said I never finish anyth in the same style

[languid basin]

someone to play vr chat?

[sterile summit]

Actually, I bought a PC and VR purely for VRChat, I had no other reason to get either

[robust cobalt]

Plenty more where that came from 😏

[neon oracle]

same with things like touching friends dyanmic bones optionally for those who have good pcs, full body tracking cache, etc. Its all simple things

[slow cypress]

Every time Tupper makes an announcement related to the TOS, the company making money, or an update that might break something, I hop in this server and just try to live vicariously through them.

[lost raft]

i dunno it's really disingenuous to me

[strange wagon]

because vr adoption rate didn't skyrocket like now vs 3 years ago

[snow wagon]

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[lost raft]

like vr chat is already solidly defined for what it will probably be for its lifetime

[wispy fog]

@spring vine Add a 'personal mirror' to your avatar using a camera. Can be done without modifying the game already for the most part. 🙂

[strange wagon]

i still remember the time when vrc exploded. which was at the start of 2018 when ugandan knuckles videos went viral on yt

[sterile summit]

You just said the thing that got him banned....

[compact river]

[devout berry]

Multi accounting is against Discord's ToS...

[pseudo basalt]

10 million was spent on yacht parties and a renting a luxurious villa to work from home in

[neon oracle]

99% of public avatars dont have that. Not very useful for people who dont go into unity and just want to play the game

[snow wagon]

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[robust cobalt]

I see what you did there 😏

[strange wagon]

the camera existing makes this feature kind of obsolete don't you think

[spring vine]

Ah you mean the camera that breaks and kills peoples game every update

[lunar root]

i can't wait to play vr games

[covert chasm]

We have a blog about this, but: Mostly because we'd been surviving on investment funds up until VRChat+. Investment funds must eventually be paid back (with interest).

In addition we had lots of people asking us "can you just open up a patreon or something, I don't want anything in return, i just want to hand you cash". We didn't feel OK with that so we made VRC+ which lets you get some neat things in return that aren't essential to the core enjoyment of VRChat.

We answer this question and many others related to VRC+ on our site: https://hello.vrchat.com/vrchat-plus-faq

[muted wharf]

Apparently I did too. Still waiting on my mansion and whatever else people say we spent our investment money on.

[wispy fog]

@spring vine Unity cameras generally work fine. They're just a camera component. 🤔
If VRC makes a Unity version change they may break of course.

[golden scaffold]

Just got my mansion in the mail recently actually, think yours comes in next week.

[vocal shard]

First class vacation

[covert chasm]

Apparently I own a yacht, which is strange, because I don't even own a car to tow it with

[snow wagon]

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[spring vine]

Just sounds like an excuse

[solid pendant]

True. You see a bunch of them daily. Really hoping there will be more action taken towards people using them. ToS is there to make everyone play by the same rules.

[muted wharf]

I don't even own a car, just a motorcycle lmao

[slow hazel]

Tupper can I come party on your yacht tonight? 🥺

[covert chasm]

Ah yeah I replied to the wrong person

[neon oracle]

yea I dont think the feature is tbh. Always found the personal mirrors dumb on clients but wanted to correct that persons thinking. The basic VRC cam is okay but its hard to see, especially when trying to calibrate full body

but considering most worlds now have mirrors idrc

[lost raft]

i feel like a more interesting option would have been a paid private server package for people who want to run private stuff completely removed from vr chat server

[vocal shard]

Did i hear party

[wispy fog]

@spring vine As a Unity developer, version changes are not an excuse, they break everything. 😄
I've been from 2019.3 to 2020.1 and it completely broke all UI elements in my scene. VRC has been from 5.6 to 2018, that's a big jump!

[pseudo basalt]

If you guys don't have your yachts then it's clearly some internal politics going on. VRPill and ron getting all the yachts

[covert chasm]

yeah sure here's a picture of it

[umbral reef]

But that private airplane tows the yacht instead right?

[vocal shard]

Yooooooo epic

[robust cobalt]

Hell yeah, i'm in

[ancient atlas]

big boat

[slow hazel]

How am I supposed to drink if there's no bar? 😠

[pseudo mason]

a boat is a hole you throw money into

[urban talon]

look at this guy with his his wood

[spring vine]

Okay then if you have cameras then how abiut an option to zoom on the camera or change the camera size

[north estuary]

Hiiiiii

[snow wagon]

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[wispy fog]

Party at Tupper's place! 🥳

[compact river]

I'm on a boat fo..

[covert chasm]

oh no

[fierce rock]

WILSON!

[lost raft]

like a paid package to run your own vr chat private master server with whatever modding you want would have been cool

[languid beacon]

You mean the ability to save avatar parameters, customize nameplates, and have more favorites? Yeah they should do those things.

[strange wagon]

@neon oracle and the FBT update made needing mirrors to calibrate also obsolete. Because the avatar is stuck to your head during calibration

[wispy fog]

Can you not already do that by changing the size of the object the RenderTexture is on? :o
Or adjusting the parameters of the camera. (W and H)

[covert chasm]

Doesn't that just scale the RT output?

[lunar root]

I need to make an avatar put of a pmx file thatt for some reason has ni textures whyyyy

[gray edge]

i have had issues with the parameters saving, they seem to get erased after not running vrchat for a while

[nimble linden]

Problem is, the definition of "missing features" varies wildly among the community

[wispy fog]

@covert chasm Sorry, clarified afterwards. I had a small brain moment. 😄

[snow wagon]

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[spring vine]

Ah yes lemme just change the size of my friends avatar on a whim

[wispy fog]

You have a mirror on your friend's avatar? (Personal mirror I was talking about)

[sterile summit]

Speaking of the FBT update, is there a way to make the body not fold into itself when your trackers don't line up properly while like laying down?

[strange wagon]

i mean i still see people in full body Tpose when you don't even have to Tpose at all @neon oracle

[sterile summit]

The bone stretching, or whatever

[spring vine]

Oof, i was talking about the camera

[slow hazel]

The speed that tupper replys with reactions is unrealistic. I'm convinced he's not human anymore.