vrchat-general-2

[hallow mirage]

Then I friended their friend group

[rancid jewel]

[zinc rampart]

i need help im in vrchat and im playing on pc but my voice isnt working and i cant hear anyone

[hardy mantle]

hmu if you have the colossal titan or beast or female.

[tardy garden]

people i know on discord with apple phones : "snapdragon is trash"
same people : "man the quest 2 is amazing!"

wait theres a beast! damnit man you spoiled it

[hardy mantle]

oh damn it my bad

You dont know who it is tho so thats good

[tardy garden]

its a person!

lol

[hardy mantle]

Lol im just not going to speak anymore

[vocal shard]

wat the fuck

Where’s that one person that wanted to play cards against humanity

[cobalt bluff]

Can someone make a maury the hormone monster avatar like i really want one and im pretty sure there isnt a maury the monster avatar

[jagged arrow]

Playspace mover’s allowed right?

[steel nest]

ye

its very harmless

[jagged arrow]

Aight

[vocal shard]

Not really

Getting VRC+ just adds a couple trust points to your account once. The same as uploading avatars, making friends, or really any interaction adds trust points towards your account

No, it's just one time

You can still obtain veteran/Legendary in the API, although it isn't shown in game

[vocal shard]

^-^

[vocal shard]

any popular vrchat worlds??

[tulip lichen]

There's a few yeah

[robust thunder]

I dunno mate but I think that's what the "popular worlds" tab is for

[vocal shard]

who can i talk to about being banned when i didnt do anything

[regal furnace]

open a ticket

[vocal shard]

where

[regal furnace]

#moderation-reports

just choose a different category

[snow cliff]

'-'

[urban remnant]

htc vive or oculus rift s

my friend says they're the same thing

[regal furnace]

much difference

[urban remnant]

mhm

which one better

[regal furnace]

the only things they have in common is, both dropped support

[urban remnant]

which one better

[regal furnace]

do you plan on getting full body tracking?

[urban remnant]

nope

[regal furnace]

then Rift S, but at this point its better to get the Quest 2 and a Link cable (or Virtual Desktop if you have good WIFI) instead

[frigid tulip]

yea rather not get rift S lot problems with that headset as person said rather go for quest 2 at that point

[sharp saddle]

I haven't had any problems with my Rift S. 👀

[frigid tulip]

well i had friends who who could not use there and there also fact in a year and a half u will be forced to use facebook XD

[vocal shard]

yeah, i got a rift S, would not recommend

[frigid tulip]

i just hope vavle makes a cheap headset soon

[cold talon]

dunno about that one chief

[vocal shard]

i just hope we have better alternative than vive trackers

[frigid tulip]

ooh if u got the money heard the hp reverp G2 is good

[broken plover]

its good but the controllers are not (atleast for vrchat)

[vocal shard]

700 bucks for reverb g2 here

very cool

[sharp saddle]

I heard the G2 sucks.

[vocal shard]

apparently it has a noticeable delay with the controller

more than the rift cv 1

[modern hill]

uvu

[broken plover]

yeah wmr tracking is pretty bad

[modern hill]

Probably worth it for a racing sim or something

[vocal shard]

Apareny HP has been deleting reviews or comments that point out bad user experience from their offical forums

welp
time to ditch one more headset
very cool

at this point, only Index seems to be the right choice and it doesn't fucking sell here 😠

[modern hill]

I'm in the same boat

[vocal shard]

[brisk furnace]

Wasup

[spring dawn]

I just wanna ask this is anyone else having issues favorite/unfavorite avatars?

[sharp saddle]

A lot of people have reported this. It's most likely a UI issue and will be fixed in the next update (whenever that'll be).

[spring dawn]

Thank you for replying thats unfortunate hopefully it is soon im just glad its not just me

[urban remnant]

i've played for 10 hours am i gonna get new user rank

[vocal shard]

hmm, let me consult with the higher ups

the council decided you will be visitor forever
enjoy

[sharp saddle]

The council has spoken!

[unreal verge]

my room mate got one to christmas besides a whole new gaming pc

[vocal shard]

the poor guy

[leaden finch]

I got a huge question. I know servers had troubles at New Year.. But what the fuck is this? o.o https://gyazo.com/f1b3245ef877db0293ac4baa2d9d137b

[unreal verge]

nah, i mean he got a 2k $ gaming pc. Wouldn't be sad at all for him. That's a christmas gift i could only dream about.

[vocal shard]

😔

[fallen shuttle]

Wya...?

[vocal shard]

@fallen shuttle

[fallen shuttle]

?

[cobalt bluff]

Again can someone make a maury hormonw monster avatar

[vocal shard]

no

[cobalt bluff]

O

._.

Thats pain

[vocal shard]

hi

is anyone going to be on or already on?

[coral mulch]

@vocal shard Im on currently!

[regal furnace]

if you want one, go to vrctraders and commission one, also dont forget to bring a bag of money

[vocal shard]

Or you can be make it yourself

And add something to the community

[regal furnace]

then they wouldnt ask if someone can make it for them ^^

[vocal shard]

Any encouragement can help

[modern hill]

Boop

[cinder elk]

can we have a way to show just avatar and no shsders? would help with lag too cus its either show all avatars or show the whole of some peoples avatars

[swift cloud]

safety settings already has that

[cinder elk]

where, cus only settings i see is for all avatars

if i could have poor or very poor hidden, then show just the avatar for who im talking to would reduce lag

[swift cloud]

yes you can do that

manually turn on who you want

[cinder elk]

That shows shaders tho

i said just avatar

[vocal shard]

haha

[cinder elk]

wh

[vocal shard]

what losers

haha'

[cinder elk]

wtf?

[regal furnace]

u talking with yourself again?

[urban remnant]

lmao that pfp

it stares into my soul

[storm patio]

How do I access the photos i have taken using the VRC camera?

[pseudo basalt]

It's in your windows pictures folder

[regal furnace]

C:\Users\<your Username>\Images\vrchat

[storm patio]

thanks!

[cobalt bluff]

Thats the thing idk how to make a one

Noone ever taught me

[vocal shard]

check forums i guess
they could have explained there

[peak ermine]

You'll need a 3D modeling program (most people here use Blender with CATS blender plug-in), and Unity 2018.4.20f1 to upload your content to VRChat. It must be that Unity version

Unfortunate

You can always commission someone to make stuff for you. At the top of #community-servers-old there's a link to the VRCTraders discord where you can post a listing

[vocal shard]

Hello

Question for avatar makers:

My Action playable layer no-longer functions in the game and I can't find out why
In the debug menu it goes through the state transitions and says it is on the animation but it doesn't play

what's that

[languid garnet]

anyone wanna play??

[brisk furnace]

Wit game...

[languid garnet]

vrchat or something idc atleast a vr game

[coral harness]

VR CHAT anyone

[cobalt bluff]

This goes to anyone who knows how to make avatars

Could you pleassssse make a maury the hormone monster from big mouth

[cobalt bluff]

Sure after achool

[coral harness]

sorted

[cobalt bluff]

?

[coral harness]

that means ok in the world#

[cobalt bluff]

O

You know how to make avatars

[sharp saddle]

Begging won't help, you know.

[cobalt bluff]

Ik ._.

[sharp saddle]

Either make it yourself or commission it from someone.

[brisk furnace]

Lel

[cobalt bluff]

Well still i need to know what app

[sharp saddle]

Blender + Unity.

[cobalt bluff]

Ok

And where do i get the avatar

[sharp saddle]

You... look around?

[brisk furnace]

Make it

[vocal shard]

or pay someone to do it for you

[sharp saddle]

Or have someone make it for you at a price?

[cobalt bluff]

Ok

[fallen shuttle]

Vroid is decently useful

[vocal shard]

'

Users, is VRChat still broken?

[regal furnace]

always has been

[vocal shard]

In a way yes, but not entirely.

[sharp saddle]

Describe "broken".

[verbal sentinel]

I am looking for artists that use vr chat and discord, I am on discord more than vr chat.

[twilit trench]

@verbal sentinel Why the hell would you need artists?

[verbal sentinel]

I want someone to make some superhero characters and make them known to the world.

[twilit trench]

ah.

[umbral reef]

Easier said then done
And most people dont do charity work as food doesnt get airdropped into there lap for free

[twilit trench]

Yea, and im part of the furry community (I SWEAR TO GOD IF YOU FUCKING STEROTYPE ME I WILL STANGLE YOU), and we see this kind of karen all the motherfucking time

[sharp saddle]

stangle

[vocal shard]

damn, furries are really aggressive

[twilit trench]

No im just sick of being sterotyped

[muted wharf]

@twilit trench There's quite a few furries that hang around here from time to time and a large community inside VRChat.
You're not going to get flack from hanging out around here.
Harassment of any users aren't going to be tolerated

[vocal shard]

you don't really help the stereotype

[verbal sentinel]

Okay then, can I still have an artist DM me so I can go over my characters?

[vocal shard]

no

[sharp saddle]

You might have better luck asking in a server like VRC Traders.

[verbal sentinel]

Where is that?

[muted wharf]

Check #community-servers-old

[ruby needle]

https://ask.vrchat.com/c/commissions

[fierce rivet]

when u dont have access to see it 😭

[vocal shard]

why don't you accept the stereotype

[twilit trench]

chat proceeds to die

[sharp saddle]

Still early.

Pfff.

[twilit trench]

it always has been

[sharp saddle]

Adeon pls.

[languid beacon]

Chat scrolled lmao

[pseudo mason]

I think defying your group's stereotypes is just a side effect of being in the group and exploring its creative space. The whole goal is to constantly find new means of expression within the bounds, or to expand the known bounds, and novelty is exactly what destroys stereotypes.

[naive epoch]

hello guys

im new there

[unique snow]

HI

[meager basalt]

<@&397642795457970181>, I have an issue that might be of interest to warn about

[vocal shard]

Hmm.

[ruby needle]

Please just dm one of the online mod's instead of pinging the whole role for it.

[meager basalt]

Oh, sorry

[vocal shard]

anyone wanna play on vr chat???

[sharp saddle]

Rule 15. 👀

[thin sky]

I'm surprised how many people don't understand the cost of making avatars

or that yes you need to pay an artist to make you art...

[sharp saddle]

I'm gonna take that to heart, you know.

[ruby needle]

Make sure you do so in the correct contex

[vocal shard]

I like DMs

📝

[sharp saddle]

Of course.

[pearl loom]

And for some reason most of them share the same continent..

[karmic ibex]

That is super unfortunate. As someone who does graphic design and cmmission artist on the side I feel this.

People usually don't want to pay

[winged narwhal]

im in the mood to day the n word

[vocal shard]

to day?

The n word?

What?

[languid beacon]

Or that if you ask a 3-D artist to do some thing that is not 3-D modeling (like rigging) they are going to charge you a premium for it. 

(Start taking your comissioned models to a character rigger - you’ll spend less money. Artists don’t usually like doing it, that’s why it explodes their price quotes)

[sharp saddle]

Nice.

[languid beacon]

Time spent on scratch models: 30% modeling and texturing, 70% adjusting weights to deform well

[sharp saddle]

Nerd. /s

[vocal shard]

wat

[vernal anvil]

AHHHHHH

If u see jayteemike in your vrchat he's the creator of Kermit the frog avatar

And he will give u an exclusive one

[fluid crescent]

I’m shy that ain’t gonna happen

[vocal shard]

Bought the quest 2 unboxing time

[sharp saddle]

Drumroll.

[vocal shard]

Nuu it blow up lol jk

Hmm looking at it expected it to be more heavy

Where's the on switch

[sharp saddle]

Power button.

[languid beacon]

Below where the side of the strap connects to the headset on the right side.

[vocal shard]

Ohh I was hitting volume control OK ty

[lean atlas]

Does anyone now any places on be chat that Is attack on Titan related

[pseudo mason]

I know I've seen AoT meme avatars for sure

[vocal shard]

Yo

[pearl loom]

Go to worlds tab, click search and type in AoT or attack on titan

[vocal shard]

Did Vrchat update what symbols you can use in your name? My characters in my old name no longer work

[regal furnace]

i think they changed that a while back

[vocal shard]

oh wow. Just noticed today lol

[odd blaze]

Think old would still have em, new/namechange cannot

[ruby needle]

Nah it affects all.

The best thing to do is... not using any special characters or fonts to begin with.

[unreal verge]

Kind of agree with this

[odd blaze]

Have a friend thats ΛᄂΣӨ 🤔 soo

[vocal shard]

Old still have it, just new.

[ruby needle]

It's not all characters that are affected.

So some things might still work while others doesn't

[vocal shard]

How old do I have to be to play vrchat?

[ruby needle]

Especially Zero Width stuff shold not work anymore

[ruby needle]

13

[vocal shard]

Ok cool

Ty

[languid beacon]

I always see it veteran/legendary... are they the same thing or is it two ranks above trusted

Because back in the day I only remember seeing veteran, it was yellow. Before they made friends yellow.

[rancid jewel]

pretty sure veteran's above trusted and legendary's above veteran

[languid beacon]

I’m not so sure. When the trust system came out there was only one rank above trusted

This is what it looked like before veteran was removed https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/142754291784876032/796911005514072064/unknown.png

[vocal shard]

There's system_trust_legendary, which is what Veteran was .. but there also seems to be a separate "trust_legend" which appears as a separate legendary tag to some and was never shown in game

The second one I think is separate to the normal trust system as it doesn't follow the same naming scheme

[heavy zealot]

Who pinged ??

[muted tundra]

nice fixbug

[vale vale]

the ddos is fixed

:)

[vocal shard]

Check where the ping came from

[humble cloud]

https://feedback.vrchat.com/bug-reports/p/presentation-room-boards-broken

If you guys want to help save the presentation room, please give this an upvote! Currently it is the only world that loads in previously drawn in art even if you leave and rejoin. Vrchat broke the ability to draw directly on the boards, and it is really disappointing that they won't fix their own world lol

[languid beacon]

Sounds like veteran status was manually handed out in addition to being system-earned

[muted wharf]

nope

[prisma beacon]

Did they actually fix the menu lag?

[muted wharf]

There is no legendary, just legend

[deft girder]

Tell us the secrets to system_legend nyx

[muted wharf]

It is entirely unused

:p

No secrets there lol

[deft girder]

But I wanna know how people got them 😅

[muted wharf]

✨ the magic of the trust system ✨

[regal furnace]

get gud, thats how you get legend

:p

[deft girder]

I mean I have it I just wanna know

Need knowledge

[muted wharf]

• cough *

✨ the magic of the trust system ✨

[deft girder]

😄

So that would mean there was a trust system before it was announced then

[pseudo mason]

the magic of normalizing your data

[muted wharf]

idk, wasn't around then, but likely not

[deft girder]

Because system_legend is a really old tag

[muted wharf]

no use in removing it just to satiate nosy people poking around the api

[regal furnace]

there was this "you get an email once you can upload" thingie before, but pretty sure it already was trust ranks but just didnt show

[vocal shard]

..

Iirc, system legend was when we had the initial wait to upload, but no ranked trust system

[covert chasm]

That tag has been around precisely as long as the Trust system has around, and has exactly zero usefulness due to changes made to the system just before launch

It did nothing

[vocal shard]

Yo tupper

Okie

[deft girder]

Maybe I'm just remembering wrong then

[muted wharf]

;p

[digital lintel]

oops, I was an announcement behind. lol I thought the new years explanation was just now posted.. ignore me.

[muted wharf]

Not that I mind, just don't be malicious and we won't have issues :)

[languid beacon]

Well I had some rando be like “woah this guy’s veteran” a week ago right as I joined the world, so I guess I hit veteran some point. Also questionable how they knew it so quickly 🤔

[humble cloud]

Yo Tupper get that Presentation room board fixed

[ruby tiger]

You forgot a "please" there

[light acorn]

client modders

[humble cloud]

I've asked nicely for weeks

[ruby tiger]

Stating the obvious :P

[humble cloud]

No more nice after people here tell me to just learn udon and make my own world. It's not even possible with udon.

[light acorn]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[ruby tiger]

You shouldn't expect quick fixes at all

[regal furnace]

it is possible with Udon, and you are just being lazy

not that i even know udon myself

[languid beacon]

Markers with undo stroke history go

[humble cloud]

My friend knows udon, said it's not possible.

[regal furnace]

then what about it is not possible?

[humble cloud]

It just isn't you smooth brain.

[regal furnace]

if you dont even know what is possible and what not, then dont say it isnt possible the first place

[ruby tiger]

Great discussion, I also have a friend that can resync stuff in his UDON world

[languid beacon]

I’m late to the conversation what is being claimed as impossible

[regal furnace]

pens with udon

[humble cloud]

I work 40hr work weeks I don't have time to learn something so complicated when vrchat could literally just fix the presentation room boards.

[languid beacon]

Lol why is it impossible

[humble cloud]

Pens that load in like the presentation room

[vocal shard]

._.

[cosmic tide]

Still having the same problem this update didn't help me from crashing in loading screen

[humble cloud]

Example. You draw with a group, say you crash and reload in - no art to be seen now.

[regal furnace]

thats a syncing problem, nothing impossible with udon

[pseudo mason]

But complaining is free

[regal furnace]

lets make complaining on this discord 1$ each time

[noble depot]

https://ask.vrchat.com/t/how-to-sync-with-udon/449
not trying to be condescending lol, legit just trying to show that it's possible

[regal furnace]

then not even vrc+ would be needed anymore

[languid beacon]

I don’t doubt that the presentation room uses some special code that might not be accessible in Udon yet, but I’m pretty sure you can replicate it in Udon regardless

[ruby tiger]

opinion paywall

[cosmic tide]

What's the sync for?

[languid beacon]

You can synchronize late joiners anything, it just might be a lot to sync

[humble cloud]

Great community here guys, thanks for the help. Assholes 👍 hope to see you there

[cosmic tide]

My problem with vr is I can be in my home world but when I try to join friend or join world it loads then crash it was fine Tuesday then Wednesday boom it started doing that

[vocal shard]

bro chill its only a map?

[noble depot]

sorry? legit trying to help lol, I voted for the canny post but pfft

[languid beacon]

You just said something wasn’t possible and we were encouraging you telling you that it’s incorrect and that it can totally be done. No idea where the hostility is coming from?

[vocal shard]

"Assholes"
why being so toxic like chill

[humble cloud]

It's the one world that let you draw on the board and load in the art. As someone who draws on vrchat almost daily its been a great place to hang out. Now vrchat breaks it after my group all got vrcplus. Just seems like they don't care and now people here are rude and say make it yourself. Like I'm not being toxic for no reason here dude.

Been posting for weeks about it, and getting just rude responses.

[sturdy onyx]

bonk

[noble depot]

people aren't trying to be rude, we're just trying to give 'ya a solution lol

[regal furnace]

that world is over 3 years old, dont expect legacy worlds to work after that time as they intended to work

[noble depot]

If VRChat doesn't update the world, the next best solution would either to be remaking the world in SDK2/3, or commisioning someone to do it

[vocal shard]

i mean couldnt you guys just make a new world same but updated

[humble cloud]

Whatever though hopefully some day we can have a new platform that cares a little more about the art community and vrc can be left in the dust

[noble depot]

nobody's attacking you lol, tone's hard to convey through text

[languid beacon]

Are you sure you want help or is it possible you are just here to complain?

[noble depot]

likewise, nobody's attacking the art community, heck there's a #vrchat-fan-art channel and other related channels too

[regal furnace]

btw, MERoom should be good for drawing as well from what i heared

[hollow ingot]

👋

[humble cloud]

I'm here to have vrchat fix their own world. That is all. Not gonna learn udon, not gonna give up having them fix their world.

👋 Bye

[regal furnace]

its not their duty to support old worlds forever. they gave a few examples and thats it. the rest is in the users hand to create

[vocal shard]

bro do you think the devs are dumb
they wouldnt just update an world after 3 years

if they had to they could have done already

[pseudo mason]

bugs are prioritized

[regal furnace]

im loosing braincells i didnt know i still had with that guy

[pseudo mason]

some are prioritized ahead of others. there's always a backlog, development is marathon work but it's measured in sprints

[vocal shard]

Dirty seems to be looking for a reason to be upset and not really add to much. There have been great worlds but some have been left behind because they are just not worth the effort. There are so many udon and non made in vrc that are similar... don’t be so picky that you seem rude.

[humble cloud]

Vrchat devs can't even keep their own world working. How's that for smart lol

[vocal shard]

If you are not happy with vrc go to other vr games.

You probably could not do half of what they keep up with, until you do it yourself, stop talking.

[noble depot]

to be fair, it's a legacy world that was made 2+ years ago, during that time they switched from 2017 to 2018, added SDK3/Udon for both worlds and avatars, and had to deal with Halloween and Christmas server loads
If there's enough demand they very well might fix it, just give it time

wasn't there an updated presentation room world that someone made, or am I smoothbraining

[humble cloud]

There is no replacement world for it, that's why I'm upset.

[regal furnace]

they dont have to. they give us TOOLS to work with and now its OUR job to make worlds. not the devs

[humble cloud]

No other world does what it does.

[obsidian citrus]

The menu with avatars is broken after the update... its weirdly blinking. And its not just me, i asked my friends who are also playing vrc and the same thing is happening to them. This started after the small update. And the Social menu is doing the same thing

[noble depot]

sorry to hear about the world being broken, though we are trying to help

[humble cloud]

Devs make a world with unique features and don't tell us how to do it then it breaks they don't fix it and now it's up to us to make our own.uh, yeah totally... Just shut up man lmao

[vocal shard]

I am a world and avatar maker myself and the effort and time it takes to keep things working in the game is hecktic, it has been and always will be. No on is forcing anyone to play it—- I understand when something breaks is can be annoying but there are fixes. It is not the end of the world. Like in Pavlov! There was a huge update and a lot of stuff broke— but that is known to happen when new stuff happens. Give it time and it will get fixed. If not? Learn to do it yourself, support other udon and non world creators and get something made!

[humble cloud]

Been over a month now.

[vocal shard]

and they havent fixed it

[regal furnace]

there are like 5 prefabs for pens available, i wouldnt call it unique

[vocal shard]

What world is it?

[humble cloud]

@regal furnace you're getting the block lmao stfu with your crappy attitude

[vocal shard]

BRO

What is so special about said world?

[regal furnace]

no problem, im just helping

[vocal shard]

Wow That is childish.

[humble cloud]

No you're not @regal furnace

[vocal shard]

Hmm

[noble depot]

The pens can draw directly on the wall, and that syncs with other users who join later

[vocal shard]

They were telling you how to go about getting what you want and you stuffed it.

Yeah that is pretty easy to remake.

[noble depot]

that said, that map was absolutely made in SDK2, so that shouldn't be hard to redo

[vocal shard]

People are just lazy is all

[regal furnace]

if you smallbrain really think you are better than the people trying to help you, then fuck off this discord and make that shitty world yourself. im tired of you insulting me and others here who are telling you that this is not a make-a-wish server. im not easily annoyed, but you managed that pretty quick. so congraz on getting my people-who-can-fuck-off list

[noble depot]

heck, it's probably very close to/a similar method to the Just Graffiti world, which also has a wall you can draw directly on

[vocal shard]

That is what it is like! They are the same thing with different ‘pen’ types.

[humble cloud]

You don't listen. Prefab pens don't load in. Graffiti world is good but it's not for drawing. Like come on

[vocal shard]

And if that is something you really are set on having. Go to neos

They have that all the time in every world

can i write with a peins cause pen is the same thing

[regal furnace]

then fucking alter them so they do sync. its not black magic. i dont get why you are so irresistable to listening to others

[vocal shard]

You are not listening. You seem to lack the ability to read

[broken current]

oof

[noble depot]

can we not attack people asking for help though

[regal furnace]

but attacking the people who do help is ok then?

[humble cloud]

Because it's fucking not something as easy as flipping a switch, douchebag @regal furnace

[vocal shard]

He was not asking for help, he was whimpering about a world not working and when someone did try to help he got angry

[noble depot]

never said that lmao

[muted wharf]

Can y'all both drop it here and move on?

[humble cloud]

I've tried, my friend has, no dice.

[vocal shard]

It is that easy

It really is

pls snipe

[regal furnace]

can we get rid of that dude? please for the sake of my sanity

[vocal shard]

You just are not on the learning curve or the know how to do it so you think it cannot be done

Simple.

But I am done, let him be upset and what not. We tried to help but nah

my skin is broken

i can play now

#avatar-help

If you need avatar help

[humble cloud]

Oh yeah get rid of me the guy trying to fix the problem and getting yelled at and called lazy, ok man.

[regal furnace]

and calling others assholes, telling others to shut up

[humble cloud]

If it's that easy then why hasn't anyone done in like the 100s of worlds with pens.

[vocal shard]

Because people are lazy

[regal furnace]

i want worlds done myself, but what do i do? thats right! research how things work and do it myself!

[vocal shard]

@humble cloud While you have been in here crying over this you could be learning how to do it.

[muted wharf]

Stop the argument here, move on.

[vocal shard]

my dum internet went out

well that was a fun read

[humble cloud]

"Yeah, it uses stuff that's not available anywhere else. I wanted to do networked pictures in just oekaki, but udon doesn't support any texture operations at all" from the creator of the painting world Just Oekaki. It's not as easy to do as you guys make it out to be. I'm dropping this but just know that it's an tough issue, shouldn't be hard for the devs to fix their own world I'd assume but yeah. That's all I'm saying on this now. Hopefully we see it fixed soon. It's not like this is just coming from me, I'm speaking on behalf of all my friends and artists who will miss the features taken away after drawing for years there....

At the least it would be nice to see the devs make these features more easily available.

Sorry for the rage but don't like being called lazy and be talked to like a child 👌

[languid beacon]

I’d be happy to take this to dms

[vocal shard]

( you were the one that started insulting )

[median quest]

if someone has an emote that flips my screen, what feature is that i should disable on the safety tab?

[thin sky]

animations

[vocal shard]

shader and/or animation

[median quest]

could it be either one? i expected it would probably be shader since i can't imagine how an animation affects my viewport

[languid beacon]

Animations or shaders, only need one for it to not work, personally I’d do animations, since you’d probably still be blinded without shaders

It requires both, so blocking just one breaks their toy

[median quest]

cool thanks

[thin sky]

honestly wish I could just block stuff like that

but I guet that it's hard to categorize

[muted wharf]

All fine, your opinion should be welcomed here, but we should all be trying to not escalate things to the point where it's no longer beneficial to anyone involved.

[humble cloud]

👍

[median quest]

im kinda new to vrchat but it's kinda ironic that the higher you are in the trusted system the more likely you'll have these nauseating features. i guess i'll just have to manage my blocklist actively

[vocal shard]

it is a shader
but you usually use an animation to activate the screen effects like those

[placid umbra]

I pretty much always have animations disabled for non friends

[rocky blaze]

just dont show everyones avatars simple, only show people you are talking to. i sit in the void club listening to music and watched 6 groups of people come and go due to some twit with a crasher avatar while i just say hello to the crasher lmao

[placid umbra]

Most of the annoying avatar features people use won't show up that way

[vocal shard]

^

[muted wharf]

Mine are like Voice/Avatar only for all ranks, all-on for Friends.

[vocal shard]

Yeah I disable animations if I'm in publics. Otherwise everything enabled

[rocky blaze]

people call me boring, i call them stupid as they crash for the 3rd time lmao

[placid umbra]

Aside from bass boosted "xXXxXX_theGodkillerBeast_iXiX has entered the lobby"

[wicked briar]

why is that even a thing

[median quest]

is that a feature for distance based access control or do you just have avatars off from some other setting?

eg add friend to who you are immediately talking to

[rocky blaze]

i click on them and show their avatar....

lol

[noble depot]

I've somehow gotten away with leaving everything on from User and above lol

I don't tHinK i've been deliberately crashed yet? o:
have definitely seen some fullscreen shaders though

[vocal shard]

Hello

[rocky blaze]

i have my saftey fully on all the time and only show them when i speak to them, no mods or whatever

[vocal shard]

I came here to ask, is it possible to move your hands using keyboard and mouse?

[regal furnace]

because some people are so desperate for attention that they would announce the second coming of jesus (or xXXxXX_theGodkillerBeast_iXiX) to the entire world

[vocal shard]

I did a google search and they say hold shift but that doesn't work for me.
Unless I'm doing it wrong

[noble depot]

You can rotate held items with the keyboard using I J K L, but I don't think you can actually physically move your hands

[regal furnace]

possible with some serious av3 magic

[median quest]

how long have crashers been a problem? it should be stupid simple to detect them with network telemetry (oh this person has been in 20 servers that had 10 people leave simultaneously? whack)

[noble depot]

o: cool!

[languid beacon]

It’s possible to set up some complex avatar emotes to do play pre-made animations with your hands. But not mocap if that’s what you are thinking. Need vr for that

[regal furnace]

i know them for at least 2 years by now

[vocal shard]

oh

okay
Thanks

[rocky blaze]

shift + esc does emergency saftey

[ivory raft]

with 3.0 you can move your arms etc but thats not that ez@vocal shard

you have to animate everything and put in the parameters etc

[median quest]

oh last spoonfeeding question for the day: sometimes when im loading a new world it gets stuck at 100% and i have to restart the client. is this a common issue/ am i doing something wrong?

[languid beacon]

Happens for me recently too I just re-log must be a bug

[regal furnace]

known bug and already reported

[median quest]

thankfully i learned you can relog from the steamvr UI.

[vocal shard]

Hey serious question wtf was this update and y am i now unable to load i to worlds over 50 mb

[wicked briar]

the update turned vrchat into cyberpunk

[regal furnace]

performance that bad?

[ivory raft]

my download is so slow in vrc rn that i can go and make some food while loading in a 60 mb world xd

does someone else has that problem ?

[wicked briar]

yes

[ivory raft]

😢

[rocky blaze]

still getting stuck at 100% with avatars lmao....

[rancid jewel]

restarting the game worked for me

[vocal shard]

Is there any forum or website where I can find Unity stuff for world creation?
Ping me, please

[crisp swan]

there is an avatar I've been looking for and i was wondering if anyone had it it's the beat saber light sabers

[vocal shard]

i hate it i joined now a among us lobby and got voted kicked for no reason

with my friend

[dim maple]

could possibly be because there were too many players and no one would voluntarily leave. had that issue a lot when i played it so we just had to kick people

[vocal shard]

they coul just ask

[rancid jewel]

a user being kicked decreases their rank tho

[crisp swan]

does anyone have the beat saber lightsabers avatar

[vocal shard]

yea

why kicking just ask

[crisp swan]

does anyone

[dim maple]

i mean some people do ask

cant speak for everyone however

[gleaming hill]

I'd hope so. If you get kicked, you did something to upset quite a few people around you.

[vocal shard]

i just got kicked cause the ppl coudnt ask me to leave in amomg us

[gleaming hill]

Were you not playing or something?

If your actions, or lack thereof is making a world not function right, that'd be a reason for getting kicked.

[vocal shard]

no they just wanted space in lobby

[gleaming hill]

Well, some people abuse the system sometimes. A single kick won't hurt you too bad.

Just don't get kicked a lot.

[vocal shard]

well i think just that was a rude move

[gleaming hill]

Yes but some people are not very nice. There's nothing you can do to change that, so might as well just keep calm and carry on.

[vocal shard]

yea

[frank idol]

people can anyone help me with a avatar

i have problems with pink stuff ingame

[regal furnace]

change shader or install the correct one

[plucky furnace]

What rank do you get with VRC+?

[regal furnace]

none, just a very small boost to your current rank

[frank idol]

the problem is it looks good in unity

but in game.... PINK EYES

[regal furnace]

then an old unsupported shader most likely

[muted wharf]

It could be there's a call to a Unity shader that is not included with VRChat builds.

[frank idol]

how can i fix it?

[muted wharf]

What shader are you using for the eyes?

[frank idol]

i installed all the shaders for rquirements

[muted wharf]

what requirements

[frank idol]

cant upload the picture.

of the screenshot

[muted wharf]

Try changing the material for the eyes to a standard shader or toon shader of your choice and your upload should work.

[frank idol]

the problem is , since it looks good in unity i dont know what part is messed up

[muted wharf]

If the eyes are pink, it's whatever material is on your eyes.

[vocal shard]

Hows the new vrchat update?

[muted wharf]

If you feel like editing the shader that's on it, look around for a UsePass 'Legacy Shaders........ line or two in the code and that's likely to be the culprit

[frank idol]

im a unity noob. i cant understand

i just click. material page

[muted wharf]

Would highly recommend not venturing into shader code if you're new to it, but the option is there for you to experiment if you really want to get into that magic voodoo shader code :)

[frank idol]

and mess it up

[gleaming hill]

Is the shader code HLSL?

or is it Cg?

[muted wharf]

You'll have to find whatever material is on the eyes and change it to a different shader.
You'll need to learn how to use Unity enough to find that though, would recommend watching a few Unity basic tutorials.

@gleaming hill HLSL with left-over Cg keywords IIRC

[covert chasm]

https://docs.unity3d.com/2018.4/Documentation/Manual/ShadersOverview.html for more details

[gleaming hill]

Thanks. Shaders seem like something that'd be interesting to try to get into.

Hopefully, my knowledge of C syntax is enough to not leave me confused.

[muted wharf]

shaders are pretty fun, but also have a high difficulty curve.

[gleaming hill]

Sometimes, the most fun takes the most effort.

[muted wharf]

There's also the newer shader graph thing as well. Unsure of if that's available in 2018 though

[gleaming hill]

At least it isn't assembler. shudder

[frank idol]

can anyone try to fix it for me?

i cant find itand that is hard tio understand :c

can anyone try to fix it for me?

[covert chasm]

URP/HDRP only

[muted wharf]

Really? Damn :(

[covert chasm]

one day we'll get it, but it'll require a pretty huge change in VRChat 😛

[muted wharf]

You may have some luck in #user-support-old

[gleaming hill]

I personally just hope for bugfixes more than anything right now.

[subtle plume]

where can i ask about avatars? id like to request someone to createa an avatar if its not too much to ask

tbh modify one that exists

[noble depot]

#community-servers-old or VRCTraders if you want to commision one, or #avatars-2-general / #avatar-help if you need help making one

[subtle plume]

thx @noble depot

[vocal shard]

Total noob here: can I make my own rig or do I really need Dynamic Bone? Why might I choose Dynamic Bone over making my own with Rigify via Blender?

Dynamic Bones is the physics system vrchat uses. Not for rigging. You can make your own rig in blender

[noble depot]

^
Dynamic bones is pretty much just for jigglebones lol, you can make your own rig via Blender/Mixamo/etc

[vocal shard]

Whats the difference between bones and a rig?

[noble depot]

A rig/armature is a collection of bones
a skeleton connected to a mesh would be an armature, and that armature's individial bones would be..bones

[vocal shard]

Basically you have your rig. Wherever it came from, you have the rig for you model imported into unity. Then you take the Dynamic Bones script and apply it to a selection of bones to add physics to it

[versed crown]

My animations have no sound yet there is an audio source. When i check debug it says i need audio listener but i cant upload avatar with a listener

nvm i just put listener on empty object lmao

[vocal shard]

Is an armature a group of connected bones or is it the entire collection of connected bones (+mesh) for the entire rig?

[noble depot]

The armature is a part of the final model - moving the armature moves the mesh, but the term "armature" doesn't define the entire model

might be wrong on that lmao

[vocal shard]

Thank you both for the help, I'm absorbing this stuff very slowly,
Also apparently in the wrong chat.

vrchat is nonstop not allowing me to select players so I can mute them or hide their avatar and it's fucking annoying. someone crashed my game because I couldn't block their avatar

[plush kettle]

Did this happen in multiple worlds or always in the same world?

[vocal shard]

multiple worlds

Safe Mode? "Pressing the keybind for Safe Mode (Shift+Esc on Desktop, Both Triggers + Both Menu buttons in VR) will change your Shield Level to Custom, and will turn off all settings for all ranks. We realize this behavior will wipe your custom settings, and plan on implementing a dedicated “Safe” Shield Level in a future update."

[tropic chasm]

Yo anyone have any recommended worlds?

[vocal shard]

https://www.vrchat.com/home/world/wrld_cc834611-89aa-4bf9-a3d0-30cc894637ba

[gentle nebula]

hi, with the last update my social lists are flickering sometimes, or become empty for a sec, and then return, it's happens only to me? tyvm

[vocal shard]

Nope. Not just you. I just exit out of the quick menu, wait a few seconds and then open the quick menu again and it's all back. It seems to affect my avatar favorites as well.

i noticed it a bit earlier did anyone make a canny post about it ?

I don't even know what that means. lol

[gentle nebula]

x2

[vocal shard]

vrchat canny
basically you make a post of a issue and users can vote on it and vrchat will eventually fix the bug

[vocal shard]

https://feedback.vrchat.com/

Cool, thanks @vocal shard

[languid beacon]

An Armature is a model that has been bound to and is deformed by a collection of bones. The term comes from those wooden reference figures.

[vocal shard]

if someone make a post about it i will upvote
for some reason i have never been able to do post on the canny

[plucky furnace]

Is there a way to change FOV in desktop mode?

[vocal shard]

(no one has made a post about the issue yet)

I'll upvote too. I just connected my VRChat account to Canny

Client Bug Reports I assume?

yup

I'll volunteer

Hmmmmm, language

What all does it affect other than avatar favorites?

[hybrid zenith]

Why is my social menu broke?

[languid beacon]

Yes. Putting any kind of camera on the avatar that has no render target will act as the game camera when wearing that avatar, anything done to the camera will take effect, although avatars with cameras should always be uploaded as private, if two of the same avatar with cameras meet, the camera will stop working.

[vocal shard]

Like antimatter? Or a doppleganger from another universe?

[languid beacon]

The client doesn’t allow other people to have cameras on their avatars, only you, but since the other person is wearing your avatar, both cameras get deleted

[vocal shard]

Why is that so funny to me? lol

Okay, So I got "Favorites Occasionally Depopulate Requiring Momentary Exit From Quick Menu to Repopulate" is that an accurate title?

Okay I created the post

[noble depot]

bit verbose lol, but does the job

[vocal shard]

I like verbose if its going to get noticed and understood

[unique mauve]

Clear and concise is usually preferred. Too much verbiage can be distracting.

[small wing]

Yo gamers

so got a question for ya

anyone here with an index getting extreme pixelation on the vrchat window? is that related to the Unity launch options being set to "Desktop Low" or not?

[still lark]

desktop low will just cause stuff to be jaggered

[small wing]

Wanted to capture some stuff with OBS but it seems since I got my index everything is out of 1996 or something on the desktop window lol

looks like its rendering and upscaling from 240p xD

[vocal shard]

so i cant join any avatar worlds any more but i can join others just fine how do i fix this

@unique mauve Oh well, I'll try and be more concise next time.

im getting frame drops halved now after the update

[safe frigate]

hi

[hybrid zenith]

Why is the social menu broke? They're all blank.

[vocal shard]

vrc update

[undone robin]

good morning/evening everyone can someone help me with my issue? when I run the game it loads me into error world where is only white board and writen "We are sorry! Something went wrong!
1)Try using menu to load into a different world (I tried to load into other worlds but it keep loading me into the same error world)
2)restart VRchat (restarted it billion times already)

[robust thunder]

Hmmmm

[noble depot]

Have you been able to run the game before, and have you cleared your cache recently? o:

[vocal shard]

go to the website and select a world to load into

[undone robin]

this problem happens since November
thought that might be problem with update so I didnt tryed to fix it.
And yes I cleared cache

[vocal shard]

make .kinematic readonly

[undone robin]

didnt work

[robust thunder]

Did you try reinstalling?

[undone robin]

nope

[robust thunder]

It might be a problem with your files

Just try rerunning the installer again

[undone robin]

aaah downloading everything from steam again

okey if it s the only way

[robust thunder]

If it fixes it then you'd be off easy. There's been plenty of other errors that are unfixable till the game gets updated

[dry pecan]

hi

[robust thunder]

Heyo mate, how are ya?

[dry pecan]

good u

[robust thunder]

I'm finished with my exams today so I'm doing grand. I was gunna head out and do some skating too after I eat so hopefully it's not too cold

[dry pecan]

yeah have fun have a good day or whatever time

[storm stag]

Finally thanks to this update I can switch avatars with no problems.

[hybrid zenith]

@vocal shard let's go they deleted social as an update

[vocal shard]

15 frames in public used to be 40

[sinful axle]

ello

[gleaming hill]

yo

[mighty cradle]

can't even fucking join the game atm

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/379536677758304256/797261041486659634/Screenshot_20210109_003028.png the actual fuck is this, vrc?

took me four reboots (of vrchat) to just get into a map

[vocal shard]

I understand your anger but...uh calm down please ;-;

[mighty cradle]

and now it said a map loaded...

ah, loaded

and now an instance change

....and probably blackscreen death

oh! it survived

[ruby needle]

You're probably experiencing some kind of connectivity issues.

[plucky furnace]

new users should have custom animations on

[gleaming hill]

um no

[rancid jewel]

pls no

thats just asking for hell

[plucky furnace]

im tired of waiting to be a user

[gleaming hill]

Custom animations are often used to be annoying, and cause a disturbance

[plucky furnace]

I mean rank New User, no like a visitor

[gleaming hill]

Add a few friends, and surf worlds

you'll get it eventually

[ruby needle]

That's probably the most dangerous setting to be auto on.
Since it's the thing that usually enables the bad things

Just play a bit more and you'll be new user in a sec

It's not a lot of time.

[gleaming hill]

unless you're me, then its about 60 hours

[ruby needle]

That's still not that much in comparrison for that this Game is and what you're gonna dump into it 😄

[gleaming hill]

True

[plucky furnace]

15 friends, 75,6 hours...

[gleaming hill]

I'm just happy I can upload stuff now so I can work on worlds

[plucky furnace]

what are the chances of having a higher rank with vrc+

[gleaming hill]

gonna play with shaders tomorrow prolly

[rancid jewel]

try adding more friends

[gleaming hill]

Try reticulating more splines

[mighty cradle]

@ruby needle this has been a chronic issue for the past while

i know the cause

[ruby needle]

It might be that your line has some routing issues to the servers or similar.

[mighty cradle]

it's to do with network issues on vrchat's half; 500 errors, null replies, and more

[ruby needle]

No.

Between you and VRChat there is a lot of things, in in most cases this is related to routing issues.

Unless everyone experiences the impact at the same time it's often the individual network or route.

You could try a VPN and see if the routing improves.

[mighty cradle]

if it's the routing on my half, then routing through a vpn literally will not help

[ruby needle]

Routing isn't your local net but the whole route from your endpoint to the target endpoint

A VPN would shift the route to the VPN, and from the VPN to the target.

That is a different path, and you wouldn't be the first one to solve routing issues like that (in combination with VRC aswell)

[gleaming hill]

Running a traceroute could help find problematic hops in the route, but not sure if VRC gives out the IPs of the connection servers (doubt it)

[ruby needle]

Traceroute can sadly not really stability test

[gleaming hill]

True, it can help with finding consistent issues though

[ruby needle]

Yeah, but that doesn't seem to be the case with them.
Since it appears to principally work but not at full / stable quality

[gleaming hill]

I've also found that certain routers need to be rebooted at least once a week or so or they start behaving oddly.

Mostly low-end netgears that I saw that strangeness out of.

[mighty cradle]

I just grepped the logs.

A ton of 500 errors.

Precisely like prior. My route to places like Google is perfectly fine.

[gleaming hill]

grep is a very powerful tool. Good for knowing how to use it!

[mighty cradle]

So it's not my end, it's something in or around VRC, either route close by, or VRC side issue straight up.

[ruby needle]

This is not how routes work tho... a specific endpoint can cause you trouble and you would not be the first one for that has to do the extra hop.

Shoving the problem of and blaming the other will not make anything better for you.

[mighty cradle]

That device must be close to VRC servers proper, since literally every other thing in the US works for me.

Google, Facebook, Amazon, PCPP, Newegg, Bestbuy, literally name it.

I know how networks work.

[gleaming hill]

Those aren't realtime services though

[ruby needle]

Look, you can either try to continue to shove the problem aside and continue to blame others directly... or try and test things.

To actually find out where the problem is.

[mighty cradle]

Those aren't realtime services, but then why does Discord voice chat, to the US, work just fine?

[gleaming hill]

Have you tried restarting your router? I know it sounds silly, but the router can cause all sorts of network oddities if its not running well.

[mighty cradle]

I know all about router behavior.

[ruby needle]

The internet is not this simple...

[mighty cradle]

I know it isn't.

I'm not an idiot. You're claiming it is my end, or (presumably) a close to me part of the route throwing 500s, yet I receive and send packets just fine.

[gleaming hill]

An ISP issue could cause data you send to VRC to become corrupt and force VRC server to return a 500 in response to erroneous data.

[ruby needle]

sigh

[gleaming hill]

A 500 error doesn't prove the problem is on VRC's side

[mighty cradle]

Then why would it only affect VRC?

[ruby needle]

Because... every endpoint is different...

[mighty cradle]

Speaking of, files.vrchat.cloud traceroutes just fine, and rather fast.

Yes, and if everywhere but VRChat works, then doesn't it stand to reason the particular device must be close to VRC's servers?

[ruby needle]

Thing is, as long as it doesn't affect everyone it is a issue somewhere on the route or the user end.

[umbral reef]

No as thats not how internet works

[ruby needle]

And in most cases it is the route...

[gleaming hill]

I've seen single services fail due to local client problems. It CAN happen.

[ruby needle]

Wether you wanna try to find the issue now or not is nothing i can take away from you.
So im done here.

[mighty cradle]

Let's see how well their file cloud responds to pings.

[gleaming hill]

If the traceroute is fine, so will be the pings

[mighty cradle]

Did stutter at the start.

Nothing interesting past that.

[ruby needle]

Stutter at start?

[gleaming hill]

that sounds like a problem to me

[ruby needle]

Well if that isn't a hint to stability issues then i don't know.

[mighty cradle]

Oh, by the way.

here's a funny thing.

There is not one, but two, locations that VRC is requesting files from in the logs.

Cloudfront and VRC itself.

[gleaming hill]

ooh nice files.vrchat.cloud connects via IPv6 for me. Pog.

[ruby needle]

Yes, contents are hosted on CDN's

Like AWS

[mighty cradle]

Both are throwing 500 errors at me on simple file transfers.

Opening those very same files in-browser presents no problems at all.

[gleaming hill]

I'm seeing no signs of any issues with files.vrchat.cloud on my end.

[mighty cradle]

Again, no files in the browser, seems to only be happening in-game.

[ruby needle]

On widespread server issues you would quickly find out by massive complaints in this Discord. (simultaniously)

[gleaming hill]

There'd be spam in the chat right now lol

[ruby needle]

Either you want to try a VPN and see if it help's or not.
Im done with all info i can provide.

[mighty cradle]

Let's just kill VRC and see how netstat changes.

[vocal shard]

is vrc having server issues?

[gleaming hill]

Yeah, VRC servers are 100% functional for me.

[gleaming hill]

No, only Cheetah seems to be having issues

[noble depot]

servers seem fine on my end, can log in 'n download worlds

[vocal shard]

i join among us lobby with 8 ppl then 17 is in there

[mighty cradle]

Here's the kicker: there are legit issue reports on Proton for various users getting a variety of network errors for just not being on Windows.

[vocal shard]

every public lobby

[noble depot]

discrepencies between the claimed player count and the actual has been pretty normal, at least from what I remember?

[gleaming hill]

yep its a minor bug

[gleaming hill]

Well, Proton is not Windows. Its a hackish solution that doesn't always work 100%.

[vocal shard]

im also having like 20 frames in public and i usually have 40

[covert chasm]

@mighty cradle I was going to ask you to dig through your logs for a few things, but unfortunately if you're using Proton, it isn't directly supported and may have issues. Last time I gave it a shot on my secondary machine it had some serious rendering problems. I'm unsurprised that it may also have some networking quirks. D: Sorry about that.

If you can manage to test it on a supported platform and reproduce the issues, please contact our support via #vrchat-support

[ruby needle]

Using unsupported platforms can cause all kinds of issues.
(Also, when using unsupported platforms then that is something you should also always initially state.)

[gleaming hill]

I'm thinking at this point that Proton is corrupting some data being sent to VRC servers, causing them to throw 500 errors

[mighty cradle]

@covert chasm You'd honestly be surprised at how few rendering problems it legit has.

[covert chasm]

When I tried it, it wouldn't render any skinned meshes beyond the first

[mighty cradle]

That is an issue long since solved.

[covert chasm]

so if your avatar was particularly poorly optimized, it ended up being pretty funny looking

[mighty cradle]

It was a bug in Mesa 18.3x and older.

19.0 and up fixes it.

[covert chasm]

ah, nice

[mighty cradle]

I honestly wanted to go around calling people unclean (and I did for a day) for using shittily optimized avatars.

However, I will file the Mesa 18.3x stuff away for a potential speedrun trick on some maps

[night violet]

Im hungry

[mighty cradle]

Because this not only affected avatars, it also affected maps. More than that, it also removed the corresponding clipping.

[covert chasm]

I also did so for a bit and got bored doing so manually so I helped design and implement the performance rank system instead 🙃

[mighty cradle]

Meaning that, in the right place at the right time, you could have funny shortcuts without hacks otherwise impossible.

I've noticed the performance ranking system to be quite flawed.

[covert chasm]

Of course

its not perfect

Better than nothin', though

[night violet]

I dont like momo the creepy pasta

[mighty cradle]

Especially since you are dealing both with PC and mobile drivers.

Adreno drivers are fucking horrible.

[gleaming hill]

have you programmed for that platform to know this?

[covert chasm]

Thankfully we don't usually have to worry about stuff getting that low-level-- most performance issues on avatars are more easily identified and are macro rather than micro

[mighty cradle]

And have so many bugs, quirks and stupid things about them that even stuff that is free, performance wise, can cause a crash or massive slowdown on Quest. More than any other, a Very Poor avatar on quest could perform ten times better versus PC.

[covert chasm]

Ratings on Quest were cribbed directly from Oculus' recommendations, so

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[night violet]

Who made vrc

[mighty cradle]

@gleaming hill I've heard enough horror stories. Unity/Unreal both have to work around a gigantic mess of issues. An Adreno driver, at one point, was so damn broken it actually didn't meed GLES 3 spec.

[night violet]

who made me?

[gleaming hill]

and I thought Radeon drivers were bad

[covert chasm]

They still are 🙃

[mighty cradle]

Honestly, if I figure out compiling Freedreno for Android, I'll probably clientize my VRC to try to test what can, and can't, be done. See which custom shaders break Adreno, versus which don't. Of course also performance numbers.

[night violet]

who made the univerus

[mighty cradle]

radeon drivers

[gleaming hill]

They've gotten better though. My RX 5700 XT isn't as buggy as it was when I first got it.

[mighty cradle]

they're far better than they were, and outside windows they're so much better that nvidia literally is not even an option for me

[covert chasm]

"radeon drivers are bad" has been a meme for longer than the term "meme" was widely used to describe such a thing

[mighty cradle]

fucken lel

[gleaming hill]

I've never used any video card that wasn't ATI or AMD.

[covert chasm]

I forget which card but I had some ATI card in 2006 whose drivers were so bad that I thought I had a bad PSU

[night violet]

I play vrchat

[covert chasm]

please don't link images with language like that :V

[night violet]

no links

[mighty cradle]

aw, ok

[gleaming hill]

that's a major oof

[covert chasm]

that being said, yes, i do remember that image

[night violet]

my brain hurts by all the cursing

[gleaming hill]

I guess you could say it was... cursed

[covert chasm]

this image was posted up on the wall of my IT dept https://i.imgur.com/XDUnY.jpg

[night violet]

ahhhhhhhhhhhh

[covert chasm]

waaaay back

[worldly plank]

Help meh i can't upload my avatar to vr chat

[vocal shard]

pentagram?

[gleaming hill]

Looks like a Radeon HD 5000 series

[vocal shard]

issue?

[night violet]

thats what I was gonna say

[mighty cradle]

ah that's fun

ironically

older nv cards on modern linux work fine

terascale cards, however... don't

[gleaming hill]

Terascale on Linux was a nightmare and a half.

[worldly plank]

well it said before you upload your creation to the game, you need to play the game more. I played vr chat 5 hours a day

[night violet]

I am actually 1 year old

[mighty cradle]

anything gcn works splendidly, though, and recently gcn 1.0 enablement happened in amdgpu, so even older cards (and shittier ones today) can now run with modern drivers

[gleaming hill]

What about Navi on Linux?

[mighty cradle]

amdgpu covered

expect the same deal

actually, hold up a second

[covert chasm]

I wonder how much of a nightmare attempting to get my old thinkpad with an early optimus quadro M1000 working again

[vocal shard]

I have a problem with VRChat.

[mighty cradle]

https://www.x.org/wiki/RadeonFeature/

[covert chasm]

i remember wrestling with arch for days to get that working

[gleaming hill]

Quadro drivers on Linux are likely to be good

[covert chasm]

quadro? yes. optimus? hell no

[mighty cradle]

actually

[covert chasm]

nowadays its probably fine

[vocal shard]

Many times I played VRChat, my computer disconnects from the internet.

[covert chasm]

but this was 2013

[mighty cradle]

linux has recently picked up an (attempted) solution to this optimus problem

[night violet]

E

[mighty cradle]

DRI_PRIME has become a thing, and i use it quite a few times for stuff

[vocal shard]

And when I try to reconnect, none of the Wi-Fi networks show up.

[gleaming hill]

Linux WLAN drivers can be a serious pain sometimes too

[night violet]

The FitnessGram Pacer Test is a multistage aerobic capacity test that progressively gets more difficult as it continue.

[covert chasm]

Are you using a VR headset? If so, what type? Are you also using any accessories?

[vocal shard]

It never happened when I wasn't play VRChat.

[mighty cradle]

beyond this: anything kepler and below works fucken amazing with linux, even without official support thanks to nouveau actually being good enough today to cover them, and kepler is actually the best supported

[vocal shard]

I use desktop.

[plucky furnace]

hmm, vrc+ turns you to a Trusted User?

[mighty cradle]

i've heard cases of vrc+ knocking users to known, sometimes trusted, sometimes known to trusted is no time whatsoever

@gleaming hill you can depend on intel's drivers not being utter shite, or atheros'

@covert chasm was it an m1000 or a 1000m?

[plucky furnace]

I am new user, so if I use vrc+ I will be just a User?

[covert chasm]

No. Please see https://hello.vrchat.com/vrchat-plus-faq and scroll to the bottom.

[covert chasm]

Unsure then. You may want to check out #user-support-old and see if another user can help you. If not, use #vrchat-support and contact our Support team.

[gleaming hill]

Good because my mobo has Intel WiFi built in.

Atheros is Qualcomm isn't it?

[sick saffron]

does anyone else have an issue where they cant favorite or unfavorite avatars?

[covert chasm]

It was a w540 which apparently shipped with a 1000M when i purchased it

[mighty cradle]

alright, so a fermi

yes, your nouveau support will be 👌

[covert chasm]

i always had horrible compositor perf with nouveau 😦

[mighty cradle]

@gleaming hill it may be? probably after qualcomm bought it though

[covert chasm]

i'm sure things have changed though

[gleaming hill]

You ever try running a Radeon card and a GeForce card in the same system at the same time with one monitor on the Radeon, and one of the GeForce?

[mighty cradle]

@covert chasm there is a hardcoded thing in mesa/xorg that prevents nvidia adapters from using anything but modesetting, so you actually have to manually go and whitelist nouveau

[covert chasm]

i remember doing that

[mighty cradle]

i forgot why this was done, but it was the creator of nouveau or something that sent in the patch, honestly silly

[vocal shard]

And now, my PC blue screened twice on me.

[mighty cradle]

i have a 520, that somehow runs vrchat, but slow as helllllll

[covert chasm]

come to think of it i haven't installed arch in a good 6 years

[gleaming hill]

oldest video card I have is an ATI Rage 128 lol

[mighty cradle]

i just use basic ubuntu

[vocal shard]

If VRChat is the problem, I will avoid it right now.

[mighty cradle]

@gleaming hill oldest i have, technically, is an isa mga in my xt

besides this, i have a matrox from '94, with a vesa extension at the back

[covert chasm]

blue screens indicate a problem with the system. Its possible (but HIGHLY unlikely) that a BSOD can/would be caused by VRChat directly

[gleaming hill]

nice, thats some seriously vintage hardware

[noble depot]

@vocal shard yeah, sounds like you have other issues with your system, VRChat likely wouldn't cause that o:

[covert chasm]

I would contact support via #vrchat-support first

[vocal shard]

My PC is a custom one.

[covert chasm]

That does not matter too much 🙂

[noble depot]

could still have driver issues, hardware failure, anything lol

[gleaming hill]

VR Chat might expose existing issues, which result in a BSoD, but user software rarely ever causes a BSoD on its own.

It usually takes something closer to hardware to do that, like a driver (or the hardware itself)

[vocal shard]

I am on Origin now, installing The Sims 3.

And no unnecessary disconnections nor BSODs as of now.

[gleaming hill]

The Sims 3 and VR Chat use APIs quite differently more than likely.

[noble depot]

just keep in mind that hardware/driver issues very well might be the cause of your crashes lol

[vocal shard]

I played a bunch of VRChat between yesterday and the day before.

Today, not so much. Been playing 3DS games on my PC.

[mighty cradle]

oh! @covert chasm I actually have a list of issues that I've seen (and most solved) on VRC in Linux

network issues aren't actually counted, mostly due to how ridiculously inconsistent they can be

[vocal shard]

I used to have a Mac.

I still have that Mac, stored and collecting dust.

[mighty cradle]

so maybe if there's another user knocking and asking, that could be a tidy little FAQ somewhere.

@vocal shard which one?

[vocal shard]

Mac Mini from Late 2014.

[arctic elm]

vrc+ bumped me to trusted from known. i had just gotten known like maybe 5 hours before that lol

[mighty cradle]

i got a '93 desk mac, combo of a bunch of stuff, but an lc3 modded to lc3+

aww, late 2014 mini, nothing vintage?

[vocal shard]

Tried to join VRChat on it through Wine back when Uganda Knuckles and Ready Player One were new.

[mighty cradle]

hmm

[vocal shard]

That's the only Mac I have.

[mighty cradle]

i've got...

6100.5 hours

[vocal shard]

But unfortunately, VRChat won't open on Wine,

That was in 2018 and on a computer with 4 GB of RAM.

But fortunately, I got a Windows PC again after all those years.

And with it, I can finally VRChat.

[mighty cradle]

@covert chasm sorry for nother ping, but: https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/quadro-1000m.c1431 all your card's relevant details, as well as https://nouveau.freedesktop.org/FeatureMatrix.html for your feature matrix, you're in the nvc0 column

[vocal shard]

Joined back on the sixth of this month after years of wanting to play.

[mighty cradle]

https://mesamatrix.net/ also useful to peek here

[noble depot]

@vocal shard What are the specs of your new computer, just wondering? o:

[vocal shard]

AMD FX-8350 Eight-Core Processor

At 4 GHz

[covert chasm]

ah, so power management being WIP is the killer here

had that problem back in 2013 as well

[mighty cradle]

8150 here, lmao

[vocal shard]

8 GB of RAM

Windows 10 64-bit

[ruby needle]

Pretty low end system. 😦

[mighty cradle]

@covert chasm probably functional for you, been wip for a while, may even be somewhat outdated info wise

[vocal shard]

8 GB RAM

[noble depot]

GPU? o:

[mighty cradle]

i survive just fine on an 8150

[vocal shard]

And an Nvidia graphics card that I forgot the name of.

[mighty cradle]

and an rx480

[calm nimbus]

all these numbers 😶

[mighty cradle]

numbers

[noble depot]

you can check the graphics card in the Performance tab of Task Manager

[vocal shard]

Since I am new to PC gaming.

[mighty cradle]

bruh

[ruby needle]

8gb of ram is very little, you want 16.
The FX CPU's also perform like crap.
And the GPU would definitely be a interesting question

[vocal shard]

GTX 77

[mighty cradle]

77 what

[ruby needle]

770 i guess

[noble depot]

that's definitely low for VR, but probably okay for desktop?

[vocal shard]

Text cut out on task manager

[ruby needle]

^ that

[vocal shard]

I read that it is VR-ready

[ruby needle]

Non of your part's should read VR ready

[mighty cradle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/636299889269014559/797189560740216872/Screenshot_20210107_171559.png numbers

[ruby needle]

not the FX neither the GTX770

[noble depot]

Click the side of task manager and drag it out to resize it, to get the whole number?

[vocal shard]

The only upgrades I currently seek are more RAM

[mighty cradle]

16 is limiting

[ruby needle]

You can, but keep in mind your old DDR3 will be useless on the next upgrade since that will be DDR4

[mighty cradle]

i want 32, though mainly 64

[noble depot]

I don't think there's a 770TI but maybe

[mighty cradle]

no need for swap anymore

[ruby needle]

770ti?

[noble depot]

despite the graphics card being a little low for VR, that shouldn't cause bluescreens

[vocal shard]

My PC is probably as powerful as a PS4 Pro

Low end but can have some upgrades in the long run

[ruby needle]

The hardware is however generally dated and so it physical defects are more likely

[noble depot]

potentially, but i'unno

[vocal shard]

And those are used parts given to me by my brother and my cousin

[ruby needle]

There is little to upgrade on your sys.
You'll need a new mobo for the new ryzens, that will then also be DDR4 so your old ram wont work

GPU you can upgrade i guess, but i'd tackle it all at once since it's adated old system

[vocal shard]

And my PC is powerful enough to run a 3DS emulator at 30fps.

And The Sims 3 in all of its open world glory.

[noble depot]

I guess upgrade path would be mobo > cpu > ram/GPU?

[mighty cradle]

@ruby needle physical defects that cause degradation issues are not a thing, unless it is one super specific intel processor

[noble depot]

you've heard of RAM drives, now get ready for RAMGPUs

[mighty cradle]

@noble depot radeon pro duo, 1tb ssd for vram says hi

oh wait, pro ssg

https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/radeon-pro-ssg.c2998 tho has main 16gb vram

2tb of solid state graphics memory

[noble depot]

cycles renderer: 👀

[mighty cradle]

yes

it is ram mdudes

[crimson mulch]

hi

[strange dew]

hi

[barren knoll]

no idea y but i can play my other steam vr games fine but vrchat now wont work. start it up ..... laggs to the point of crash right off the bat before i can even sign in

is this just me?

crashes my steam vr too x.x

[unreal verge]

Didn't experience that issue

[barren knoll]

ya its still doing it and its only vrchat i dont understand. i verified the files, updated all my drivers, restarted my computer. i dont know what els to do. once i start up the game steam vr fucks up and wont work or crashes after

[flint tendon]

Hello

[unreal verge]

@barren knoll try reinstalling SteamVR

[barren knoll]

ya im trying that now and also reinstalling vrchat

heres to hoping

[sharp saddle]

Did you try a manual cache clear?

[barren knoll]

deleting all the files in the LocalLow ? yes

[mighty cradle]

all the files in the locallow

hope that was locallow/vrchat

[vocal shard]

[barren knoll]

ya i already delete all those

so ya wasent the problem XD but i just reinstalled everything back on so heres to hoping x3

it works !

thanks everyone for there help ❤️

[heavy zealot]

Chocolate 🍫

[blazing adder]

Is anyone else not seeing their avatars?

[sharp saddle]

Whatcha mean?

[blazing adder]

I just logged in and avatars arent loading for me. Just the blue man

[rustic pivot]

like for a avatar world or like player avatars

[blazing adder]

nvm it works after a relog.

[rustic pivot]

ah ok

[blazing adder]

weird

[vocal shard]

Wow jazneo, You've been here for awhile

[spice lake]

Alright so

I've ordered an oculus quest 2

[rustic pivot]

oh nice

[spice lake]

And I really wanna play vrchat

[rustic pivot]

i got that one

[spice lake]

But I heard vr chat kinda sucks on ut

[rustic pivot]

um i recomend getting side quest if ur running wireless

[spice lake]

Oh, side quest? What's that

Is that another vr headset

[rustic pivot]

no

[spice lake]

oh

[rustic pivot]

its like steam kinda

theres games on their but something cool on it is u can increase ur performance like hz cpu level and a bunch more