#vrchat-general-2 | VRChat | Page 1140

copper niche Oct 28, 2020, 3:39 PM

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I guess running aroudn wiht 8m particles is fine

umbral reef Oct 28, 2020, 3:39 PM

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vrchat isn't even bothered to add a particle count to at least try to reduce the number of particle crashers
@copper niche Literally a thing

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Been since 2018 kekw

copper niche Oct 28, 2020, 3:40 PM

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Are you sure about that?

languid beacon Oct 28, 2020, 3:40 PM

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Literally yes

lone scroll Oct 28, 2020, 3:40 PM

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vrchat has a particle limiter json config you can enable

jagged stream Oct 28, 2020, 3:40 PM

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VRChat has an inbuilt particle limiter

umbral reef Oct 28, 2020, 3:40 PM

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https://docs.vrchat.com/docs/avatar-particle-system-limits oop

copper niche Oct 28, 2020, 3:40 PM

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Tell me how I can upload 8m particle avatars

lone scroll Oct 28, 2020, 3:40 PM

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^

meager rose Oct 28, 2020, 3:40 PM

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I wasn't even aware that vrc had competitors tbh. There was that one UE4 one made by the Second Life guy but I didnt think that was big enough or contet creation was easy enough to be considered a competitor

languid beacon Oct 28, 2020, 3:40 PM

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Tell me how I can upload 8m particle avatars
@copper niche uploading and blocking are two different things bruv

hazy fog Oct 28, 2020, 3:40 PM

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why do dynamic bones freak out when you do gestures now?

copper niche Oct 28, 2020, 3:41 PM

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But that's my point, you shouldn't even be able to pass the upload state with that much stuff

languid beacon Oct 28, 2020, 3:41 PM

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Nah. Let people upload what they want, and let people block what they don’t want to see

lone scroll Oct 28, 2020, 3:41 PM

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khosumi particles arent the issue in any way ever 90% of the time

copper niche Oct 28, 2020, 3:41 PM

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I don't see any point in having more than 100k particles

lone scroll Oct 28, 2020, 3:41 PM

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its people uploading meshes with 80 materials and 500k polys

languid beacon Oct 28, 2020, 3:41 PM

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Ok but maybe someone else does

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Who are you to say

copper niche Oct 28, 2020, 3:41 PM

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what use case

lone scroll Oct 28, 2020, 3:41 PM

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or 5000 dynamic bone collision checks

copper niche Oct 28, 2020, 3:42 PM

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what use case do you need more htan even 1k parts

languid beacon Oct 28, 2020, 3:42 PM

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Does it matter?

copper niche Oct 28, 2020, 3:42 PM

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yes

languid beacon Oct 28, 2020, 3:42 PM

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If you feel that so strongly then set it to 1K

copper niche Oct 28, 2020, 3:42 PM

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that's not what I'm asking. What use case requires so many?

languid beacon Oct 28, 2020, 3:42 PM

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If you feel that so strongly than set your limiter to 1k

umbral reef Oct 28, 2020, 3:43 PM

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Guess you never been to an avatar showcase

copper niche Oct 28, 2020, 3:43 PM

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dodge again

jagged stream Oct 28, 2020, 3:43 PM

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Complex animations with lots of good particle systems

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which is why there are void worlds and such

raw plaza Oct 28, 2020, 3:43 PM

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let people upload but have the avatar automatically hidden for others by default if particles etc are beyond a set threshold

celest flower Oct 28, 2020, 3:44 PM

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vrchat needs to fix the viewpoint movement

umbral reef Oct 28, 2020, 3:44 PM

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Well ninja! I got some great news for you! https://docs.vrchat.com/docs/avatar-particle-system-limits

languid beacon Oct 28, 2020, 3:44 PM

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I don’t see how anyone would think that letting people set their limits themselves is not better than vrchat making an arbitrary limit for all

umbral reef Oct 28, 2020, 3:44 PM

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Also performance blocking is a thing

copper niche Oct 28, 2020, 3:44 PM

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I don’t see how anyone would think that letting people set their limits themselves is not better than vrchat making an arbitrary limit for all
@languid beacon restricting uploads for avatars with crazy numbers to prevent some crashers?

languid beacon Oct 28, 2020, 3:44 PM

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Not necessary because people can set their own limits

lone scroll Oct 28, 2020, 3:44 PM

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but particles are the wrong target for that lmao

copper niche Oct 28, 2020, 3:45 PM

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particles, dyn bones, mats, whatever

lone scroll Oct 28, 2020, 3:45 PM

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dynamic bone collision checks should be, people who try and upload anything with over 2k checks should get insta banned if you ask me

pseudo basalt Oct 28, 2020, 3:45 PM

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own default limits would probably be just that but there aren't limits for enough things

languid beacon Oct 28, 2020, 3:45 PM

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The current system is the best let people upload what they want and let other people restrict it how they want

pseudo basalt Oct 28, 2020, 3:45 PM

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I'd be all for hard limits if they're reasonable

little rampart Oct 28, 2020, 3:45 PM

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you are forgetting the main issue, way bigger than particle crashers, client crashers, those are the real thing that needs urgent fixing

lone scroll Oct 28, 2020, 3:45 PM

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yeah vrc should fix their exploits, so people cant desync lobbies anymore

pseudo basalt Oct 28, 2020, 3:45 PM

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But particle crashers are a joke, there's way more reliable ways to crash people

little rampart Oct 28, 2020, 3:45 PM

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a guy closing the game of all people in a room with the push of a button?

copper niche Oct 28, 2020, 3:45 PM

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we both know vrchat ain't going to do anything about client modders

lone scroll Oct 28, 2020, 3:45 PM

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but thats wishfull thinking, would require the devs to have more brain power than a 12 year old client developer

little rampart Oct 28, 2020, 3:45 PM

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like... what?

ruby needle Oct 28, 2020, 3:46 PM

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@languid beacon it's good to have custom limitations BUT maximal limits are still a good idea to prevent "ignorant people" to go haywire and use it as a pure argument to give a damn about optimizing

copper niche Oct 28, 2020, 3:46 PM

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^

languid beacon Oct 28, 2020, 3:46 PM

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If someone wants to make content they can make it exactly how they want and see exactly how they want and if other people want to choose to limit it they can, everyone wins. Creators don’t have to deal with arbitrary limits

vocal shard Oct 28, 2020, 3:46 PM

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Let’s just kill vrchat and start over

lone scroll Oct 28, 2020, 3:46 PM

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VRChat 2 when

copper niche Oct 28, 2020, 3:46 PM

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2 days

lone scroll Oct 28, 2020, 3:46 PM

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2 days?

copper niche Oct 28, 2020, 3:46 PM

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yes, 2 days.

jagged stream Oct 28, 2020, 3:46 PM

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Current collision checks, 3324 @pseudo basalt 🤷‍♀️

lone scroll Oct 28, 2020, 3:46 PM

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if youre talking about cvr its in such a horrible state, maybe in half a year

copper niche Oct 28, 2020, 3:46 PM

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lmao

lone scroll Oct 28, 2020, 3:47 PM

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i just tried it out, it feels horrible to play sadly

meager rose Oct 28, 2020, 3:47 PM

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Whats the new one called?

copper niche Oct 28, 2020, 3:47 PM

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Doubt

lone scroll Oct 28, 2020, 3:47 PM

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grabbing is broken etc, vrchat is mileys ahead

little rampart Oct 28, 2020, 3:47 PM

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neos vr looks kinda good, not gonna lie

languid beacon Oct 28, 2020, 3:47 PM

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They’re just trolling and talking about a VRchat competitor

copper niche Oct 28, 2020, 3:47 PM

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Grabbing isn't broken, what are you talking about

little rampart Oct 28, 2020, 3:47 PM

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i should try it

lofty idol Oct 28, 2020, 3:47 PM

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Neos vr is terrible

little rampart Oct 28, 2020, 3:47 PM

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is it? why?

vocal shard Oct 28, 2020, 3:47 PM

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CVR wins by optimization I bet

lone scroll Oct 28, 2020, 3:47 PM

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lmao Khosumi you just proved youre an idiot, i just streamed cvr and tried it out, its basically unplayable and feels very bad to play simple as that

copper niche Oct 28, 2020, 3:48 PM

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Except I alpha test

pseudo basalt Oct 28, 2020, 3:48 PM

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There's a bunch of social vr games but I doubt they're worth trying just yet

lone scroll Oct 28, 2020, 3:48 PM

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except i alpha test since 7 months ago

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so shut up and stop selling out for a worse game in here

pseudo basalt Oct 28, 2020, 3:48 PM

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I wouldn't really touch neos

copper niche Oct 28, 2020, 3:48 PM

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Well you're still lying because grabbing isn't broken?

languid beacon Oct 28, 2020, 3:48 PM

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Except I alpha test
@copper niche that explains all the shilling lol

lofty idol Oct 28, 2020, 3:48 PM

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Its wonky as hell its just a shit ton of features and no direction. The menu is cluttered as hell. Only vrgame I've ever played that actually gave me motion sickness and a headache

lone scroll Oct 28, 2020, 3:48 PM

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k

lofty idol Oct 28, 2020, 3:48 PM

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They overcomplicate everything for no reason (talking about noesvr)

little rampart Oct 28, 2020, 3:48 PM

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oh damn :\

jagged stream Oct 28, 2020, 3:49 PM

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Neos has some neat features, but a lot of it is gimmicks, cool game tho that you can just port in FBX's live into the game and such

pseudo basalt Oct 28, 2020, 3:49 PM

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There's cvr, helios, lavander, vircadia and of course facebook horizons 🙏

little rampart Oct 28, 2020, 3:49 PM

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ewww

pseudo basalt Oct 28, 2020, 3:49 PM

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One of them's on unreal engine

umbral reef Oct 28, 2020, 3:49 PM

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Doesnt neos also drag to an half when you want to have high pop rooms?

copper niche Oct 28, 2020, 3:50 PM

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neos won't pick up

lofty idol Oct 28, 2020, 3:50 PM

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Neos's been out for a long time it wont pick up yeah

pseudo basalt Oct 28, 2020, 3:50 PM

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yeah neos already kinda has a reputation for being all furry and really complicated

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which isn't really attractive to the average user

little rampart Oct 28, 2020, 3:50 PM

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i was amazed by avatar editing in game tho

lofty idol Oct 28, 2020, 3:51 PM

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Neos is basically vrchat if they cared more about features then they did userfriendliness

pseudo basalt Oct 28, 2020, 3:51 PM

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In the end you need a playerbase to sustain a game

copper niche Oct 28, 2020, 3:51 PM

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It's all blueprints, there's no game

cold talon Oct 28, 2020, 3:51 PM

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still, gotta give credit where credit is due, it is because of neos that vrc's furry population is under control

lofty idol Oct 28, 2020, 3:51 PM

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Vrchat while a buggy mess is super simple to understand and get into

pseudo basalt Oct 28, 2020, 3:51 PM

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And also has a good name

little rampart Oct 28, 2020, 3:51 PM

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i see some furry hate here

copper niche Oct 28, 2020, 3:52 PM

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it's a pretty generic name, ngl

lofty idol Oct 28, 2020, 3:52 PM

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Generic is good to be honest

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Its easy to remember says what it needs to

pseudo basalt Oct 28, 2020, 3:52 PM

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it's catchy and simple enough, and abbreviates well

copper niche Oct 28, 2020, 3:52 PM

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Sure, I agree, I just think it's average

cold talon Oct 28, 2020, 3:52 PM

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easy to find in the first place too, since its literally vr chat

lofty idol Oct 28, 2020, 3:53 PM

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Like facebook is a terrible name and yet here we are in a facebook controlled dystopia

pseudo basalt Oct 28, 2020, 3:53 PM

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Don't want to understate the importance of a good name

languid beacon Oct 28, 2020, 3:53 PM

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VRChat is a good name. No question there

pseudo basalt Oct 28, 2020, 3:53 PM

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Like, if I say second life

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Things instantly come to mind, not always good ones

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But it's easy to remember

languid beacon Oct 28, 2020, 3:54 PM

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And Second Life is the worst possible name lol

cold talon Oct 28, 2020, 3:54 PM

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facebook is a good name tho, it was representative of what fb was at first

pseudo basalt Oct 28, 2020, 3:54 PM

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For the wrong reasons

copper niche Oct 28, 2020, 3:54 PM

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a book of faces?

cold talon Oct 28, 2020, 3:54 PM

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pretty much

copper niche Oct 28, 2020, 3:54 PM

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where is the hardcover print

languid beacon Oct 28, 2020, 3:54 PM

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Second Life’s name got it so much grief

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It’s so easy to make fun of

pseudo basalt Oct 28, 2020, 3:54 PM

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i think chillout vr is a pretty lame name

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but cvr is a good abbreviation

vocal shard Oct 28, 2020, 3:54 PM

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VRChats name is kinda misleading

lofty idol Oct 28, 2020, 3:55 PM

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Chillout vr sounds like a world from vrchat instead of an actual game itself

cold talon Oct 28, 2020, 3:55 PM

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chillout vr :sleep:

copper niche Oct 28, 2020, 3:55 PM

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VRCrash omegalul

pseudo basalt Oct 28, 2020, 3:55 PM

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avatar chillout and sleep

languid beacon Oct 28, 2020, 3:55 PM

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Chillout vr sounds like a world from vrchat instead of an actual game itself
I have to admit until last week I thought it was just some VRchat world
@lofty idol

vocal shard Oct 28, 2020, 3:55 PM

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Yeah rename it to vrcrash lol

copper niche Oct 28, 2020, 3:55 PM

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it's accurate at least

pseudo basalt Oct 28, 2020, 3:56 PM

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small floating room with space skybox and chillout int he name is the new box

cold talon Oct 28, 2020, 3:56 PM

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+1 on the vrcrash

pseudo basalt Oct 28, 2020, 3:56 PM

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literally every other map

lofty idol Oct 28, 2020, 3:56 PM

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I mean we're just talking about names. Vrchat's is better than chillouts

languid beacon Oct 28, 2020, 3:57 PM

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It does sort of limit the expectations for it. VRChat is turning into a platform where you can make your own games within it which is great.

pseudo basalt Oct 28, 2020, 3:57 PM

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It's important for a first impression and brand recognition

copper niche Oct 28, 2020, 3:57 PM

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It does sort of limit the expectations for it. VRChat is turning into a platform where you can make your own games within it which is great.
@languid beacon Others can as well though, that's not unique to VRC

pseudo basalt Oct 28, 2020, 3:57 PM

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It's a little too clunky to make actual games in it

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And the desync and ping issues don't make it any favors

viscid whale Oct 28, 2020, 3:57 PM

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Vrc for google daydream when/s

little rampart Oct 28, 2020, 3:58 PM

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imagine having a server in europe

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so we didnt have 200 ping on average over here

pseudo basalt Oct 28, 2020, 3:58 PM

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If s&box comes out and has good vr support, it will be just that

languid beacon Oct 28, 2020, 3:58 PM

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Desync is not an issue anymore. People just don’t know how to sync. There’s a lot of novice content

copper niche Oct 28, 2020, 3:58 PM

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???

lofty idol Oct 28, 2020, 3:58 PM

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Wait what

copper niche Oct 28, 2020, 3:58 PM

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Literally udon swords tells you if you're late you can't sync

lofty idol Oct 28, 2020, 3:58 PM

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desync is a giant issue even in just the game itself what you mean there's no desync

copper niche Oct 28, 2020, 3:58 PM

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like what

pseudo basalt Oct 28, 2020, 3:58 PM

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Imagine playing any kind of pvp map

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Yeah, it's clunky as hell

vocal shard Oct 28, 2020, 3:59 PM

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@covert chasm IVE NEVER HAD SO MUCH FUN ON VRCHAT AWESOME UPDATE !!

little rampart Oct 28, 2020, 3:59 PM

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._.

lofty idol Oct 28, 2020, 3:59 PM

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Ignore the bait

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Baits too obvious

pseudo basalt Oct 28, 2020, 3:59 PM

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frogposters 😔

vocal shard Oct 28, 2020, 3:59 PM

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im so serious

cold talon Oct 28, 2020, 3:59 PM

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wait, how did it not get auto deleted by the bot

vocal shard Oct 28, 2020, 3:59 PM

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i actually am having fun

languid beacon Oct 28, 2020, 3:59 PM

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@ing a dev for lame bait

vocal shard Oct 28, 2020, 3:59 PM

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this update is really good

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no malicious ppl in sight

lofty idol Oct 28, 2020, 4:00 PM

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Lets all just take a deep breath and ignore the bait

umbral reef Oct 28, 2020, 4:00 PM

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@little rampart Having a server only euro would only lower the ping for other people in euro and increase it more for everyone else in the world.
If you want two servers, then euro would get lower ping, but getting to NA or players that are closer to NA will increase by an fair bit.

copper niche Oct 28, 2020, 4:00 PM

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I have gb internet and I still only get 120 ping on vrc from canada

vocal shard Oct 28, 2020, 4:00 PM

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just bc im enjoying the game makes it a bait ?

languid beacon Oct 28, 2020, 4:00 PM

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In the baits defense I played for like three hours last night and nobody noticed any animation issues because we were in game worlds where no one bothers playing emotes and stuff

little rampart Oct 28, 2020, 4:01 PM

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well, but the ping we have here is ridiculous, it doesnt matter that much because we all have it, but still

lofty idol Oct 28, 2020, 4:01 PM

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even in america the ping is terrible yeah

pseudo basalt Oct 28, 2020, 4:01 PM

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tbh apart from the bugs i think vrc is heading in the right direction, their foundation was pretty bad, which they're now slowly improving on with 3.0 and udon

cold talon Oct 28, 2020, 4:01 PM

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yeah, speed will not affect the ping

lofty idol Oct 28, 2020, 4:01 PM

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Vrchat isn't known for high quality servers

pseudo basalt Oct 28, 2020, 4:01 PM

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and other systems

languid beacon Oct 28, 2020, 4:01 PM

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Avatar 3.0 is just wonderful. I haven’t touched Udon yet so I can’t comment on it

pseudo basalt Oct 28, 2020, 4:01 PM

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Competition is also good because it forces people to improve

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So it's good for social vr in general

copper niche Oct 28, 2020, 4:01 PM

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or in the case of vrchat, break itself to oblivion

little rampart Oct 28, 2020, 4:01 PM

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the ideas are great, and users being able to upload (and basically build the game) content is amazing

cold talon Oct 28, 2020, 4:02 PM

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when can we get locally hosted lobbies?

pseudo basalt Oct 28, 2020, 4:02 PM

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it's temporary

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shit breaks for a few days then people forget about it

copper niche Oct 28, 2020, 4:02 PM

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temporary for how long?

pseudo basalt Oct 28, 2020, 4:02 PM

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until they break the next thing

lofty idol Oct 28, 2020, 4:02 PM

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Locally hosted lobbies would be neat for privates honestly

little rampart Oct 28, 2020, 4:02 PM

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thats a good idea

copper niche Oct 28, 2020, 4:02 PM

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You remember that bug where you couldn't hold 2 thumbs up? Do you know how bad that was for signing?

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and it took a while

languid beacon Oct 28, 2020, 4:02 PM

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Aren’t all instances locally hosted? By the host?

pseudo basalt Oct 28, 2020, 4:02 PM

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never heard of it

copper niche Oct 28, 2020, 4:02 PM

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so many bugs

lofty idol Oct 28, 2020, 4:02 PM

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Its all server based Adeon

languid beacon Oct 28, 2020, 4:03 PM

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I don’t think it is

pseudo basalt Oct 28, 2020, 4:03 PM

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no, they're not, if it was locally hosted you wouldn't have 200 ping in your own instance

lofty idol Oct 28, 2020, 4:03 PM

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It is

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its a factual statement that it is

languid beacon Oct 28, 2020, 4:03 PM

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Worlds run locally for every player and each player has ownership of various game objects and syncs them to the rest.

lofty idol Oct 28, 2020, 4:03 PM

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it runs locally per person not the master of the world

copper niche Oct 28, 2020, 4:03 PM

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The instance is server sided

languid beacon Oct 28, 2020, 4:03 PM

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There is no instance server

copper niche Oct 28, 2020, 4:03 PM

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well you're wrong

lofty idol Oct 28, 2020, 4:04 PM

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You're literally wrong Adeon yeah

copper niche Oct 28, 2020, 4:04 PM

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explain how you can have lag if it was local

languid beacon Oct 28, 2020, 4:04 PM

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Okie dokie my understanding is wrong

maiden juniper Oct 28, 2020, 4:04 PM

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Im beginning to wonder if someone should ping devs about this 3.0 bug shit, cause they havent said anything about it.

lofty idol Oct 28, 2020, 4:04 PM

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Yeah sorry if that comes off as mean just saying that isn't how it works

copper niche Oct 28, 2020, 4:04 PM

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how can I lag to myself

pseudo basalt Oct 28, 2020, 4:04 PM

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I remember a dev talking about it at some point but I don't remember where

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But it's definitely not local

languid beacon Oct 28, 2020, 4:04 PM

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Im beginning to wonder if someone should ping devs about this 3.0 bug shit, cause they havent said anything about it.
@maiden juniper that’s a good idea I’m absolutely certain that they have no idea that there are bugs.

vocal shard Oct 28, 2020, 4:04 PM

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why did i just get a ban alert im sorry i was just very happy

copper niche Oct 28, 2020, 4:05 PM

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lul

pseudo basalt Oct 28, 2020, 4:05 PM

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frogposter destroyed

languid beacon Oct 28, 2020, 4:05 PM

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More bait

frosty veldt Oct 28, 2020, 4:05 PM

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Reading the rules is lame 😔

little rampart Oct 28, 2020, 4:05 PM

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dont even aknowledge it

vocal shard Oct 28, 2020, 4:05 PM

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why are u saying BAIT??

copper niche Oct 28, 2020, 4:05 PM

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working code is lame

frosty veldt Oct 28, 2020, 4:05 PM

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Good thing avatars are animators then, if they were code things could break

pseudo basalt Oct 28, 2020, 4:06 PM

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Ironically, they broke anyway

copper niche Oct 28, 2020, 4:06 PM

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3.0 avatars are super broken

frosty veldt Oct 28, 2020, 4:06 PM

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Thats the joke guys

languid beacon Oct 28, 2020, 4:06 PM

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The animations are not broken. They play fine locally

charred hornet Oct 28, 2020, 4:06 PM

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darn

vocal shard Oct 28, 2020, 4:06 PM

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literally nothing is wrong w the game rn?

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wym

lofty idol Oct 28, 2020, 4:06 PM

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Can we all agree that the default crouching animation for 3.0 is the ugliest thing in existence?

copper niche Oct 28, 2020, 4:06 PM

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Who cares if they play fine locally, most of the time you want the animation to show to other people

cold talon Oct 28, 2020, 4:07 PM

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nope, the game is perfect now

lofty idol Oct 28, 2020, 4:07 PM

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I hate it

languid beacon Oct 28, 2020, 4:07 PM

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Definitely can’t agree on that one

umbral reef Oct 28, 2020, 4:07 PM

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True that tho

little rampart Oct 28, 2020, 4:07 PM

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kinda

frosty veldt Oct 28, 2020, 4:07 PM

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@lofty idol Just gotta replace it, idle2 and idle3 make it look like it used to

languid beacon Oct 28, 2020, 4:07 PM

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I like the 3.0 Crouch much better for VR at least. I admit it looks stupid on desktop though

lofty idol Oct 28, 2020, 4:07 PM

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it looks dumb in vr too

random yew Oct 28, 2020, 4:07 PM

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how is the game perfect now . Some users can't talk at all and can't hear others.

copper niche Oct 28, 2020, 4:07 PM

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3.0 crouch is bad

lofty idol Oct 28, 2020, 4:07 PM

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astillbe no no no

languid beacon Oct 28, 2020, 4:07 PM

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I don’t think it looks great in VR but I think the old one looks absolutely terrible

lofty idol Oct 28, 2020, 4:07 PM

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Its bait ignore them

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They just want to drag someone into it

random yew Oct 28, 2020, 4:08 PM

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bruh legit i can't talk to any of my friends now ;-;

copper niche Oct 28, 2020, 4:08 PM

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Default anims always were bad, put custom ones in if you don't want to look like you got a stick up your bum

lone scroll Oct 28, 2020, 4:08 PM

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is game fixed yet

copper niche Oct 28, 2020, 4:08 PM

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haha

cold talon Oct 28, 2020, 4:08 PM

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need new default animator that handles vr and desktop animations differently

languid beacon Oct 28, 2020, 4:09 PM

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Yesterdays update literally let you do that lol

cold talon Oct 28, 2020, 4:09 PM

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we have the parameter for it now, so why not

frosty veldt Oct 28, 2020, 4:09 PM

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Yeah new parameters are cool

cold talon Oct 28, 2020, 4:09 PM

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yeah thats why i was saying, its just that we need the one provided by default to do it

languid beacon Oct 28, 2020, 4:09 PM

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I really don’t understand the logic for exactly how the current bugs work

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I know it’s related to the animator tracking control behavior

copper niche Oct 28, 2020, 4:10 PM

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last I heard, they mixed up some strings or something internally

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I could be completely wrong, it's just what I heard

cold talon Oct 28, 2020, 4:10 PM

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its not a bug, its a feature to entice players to use the much more superior write defaults off vrcSmooSmart

languid beacon Oct 28, 2020, 4:10 PM

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The only time I’m seeing breakage is on things like the get up from die animation

pseudo basalt Oct 28, 2020, 4:10 PM

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I think they only acknowledge server issues

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But it'd be stupid to assume they don't know

lofty idol Oct 28, 2020, 4:11 PM

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They'll probably hotfix it at some point today, but it would be nice if they at least said they were "investigating the issues"

lone scroll Oct 28, 2020, 4:11 PM

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btw harry you new to this?

copper niche Oct 28, 2020, 4:11 PM

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next update breaks floor detection, goes live, unpatched for 2 weeks

lone scroll Oct 28, 2020, 4:11 PM

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not getting any response from anyone, not even the community manager is normal

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come back in 2 weeks

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are invites and request working again?

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didnt work 3 hours ago

copper niche Oct 28, 2020, 4:12 PM

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are invites and request working again?
@lone scroll no

pseudo basalt Oct 28, 2020, 4:12 PM

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Would be nice but they only do that in the beta channel

lone scroll Oct 28, 2020, 4:12 PM

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damn

languid beacon Oct 28, 2020, 4:12 PM

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In their defense they’ve been saying they need a QA tester for a long while now

lone scroll Oct 28, 2020, 4:12 PM

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they dont hire people

copper niche Oct 28, 2020, 4:12 PM

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how about opening an always open beta server?

ruby stratus Oct 28, 2020, 4:12 PM

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sounds like an open beta to me

pseudo basalt Oct 28, 2020, 4:13 PM

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vrchat is already in constant open beta

lone scroll Oct 28, 2020, 4:13 PM

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^

pseudo basalt Oct 28, 2020, 4:13 PM

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since it's in ~early access~

lone scroll Oct 28, 2020, 4:13 PM

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vrchat is a level before early access

languid beacon Oct 28, 2020, 4:13 PM

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Midnight access

little rampart Oct 28, 2020, 4:13 PM

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access
just
access

copper niche Oct 28, 2020, 4:13 PM

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Backstage access because the stage isn't working right

lofty idol Oct 28, 2020, 4:14 PM

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vrchat varies between open beta and alpha every few weeks

pseudo basalt Oct 28, 2020, 4:14 PM

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it's classic early access wdym

little rampart Oct 28, 2020, 4:14 PM

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pretty much

copper niche Oct 28, 2020, 4:14 PM

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just commit to master straight away
@jolly plume omegalul, and don't include a push message

lone scroll Oct 28, 2020, 4:14 PM

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honestly, i really feel people would be way more forgiving if they would communicate

lofty idol Oct 28, 2020, 4:14 PM

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the push message is just "i fixed some things"

copper niche Oct 28, 2020, 4:14 PM

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w0w

lone scroll Oct 28, 2020, 4:14 PM

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not communicating as a dev in 2020 just shows you how bad they are

languid beacon Oct 28, 2020, 4:14 PM

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To be fair the current state of vrchat is exactly the kind of experience that the early access warning on steam is describing

copper niche Oct 28, 2020, 4:15 PM

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how many years of early access do you need for vrchat?

lone scroll Oct 28, 2020, 4:15 PM

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5 more

pseudo basalt Oct 28, 2020, 4:15 PM

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I think it's fine when stuff doesn't break

lofty idol Oct 28, 2020, 4:15 PM

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It honestly is really baffling the community manager can't just say "We're investigating current issues"

lone scroll Oct 28, 2020, 4:15 PM

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then we go to open beta

lofty idol Oct 28, 2020, 4:15 PM

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Like its actually kind of sad

pseudo basalt Oct 28, 2020, 4:15 PM

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Remember 5.4 days, now that was awful

languid beacon Oct 28, 2020, 4:15 PM

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Doesn’t matter, if the warning is there people are playing despite the warning

copper niche Oct 28, 2020, 4:15 PM

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imagine taking the label of "early access" and thinking it explains why the game is such in a terrible state. It's been years since the game launched

lone scroll Oct 28, 2020, 4:16 PM

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ye

copper niche Oct 28, 2020, 4:16 PM

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There's no excuse for this

languid beacon Oct 28, 2020, 4:16 PM

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At least it’s not as bad as its competitors

carmine nebula Oct 28, 2020, 4:16 PM

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Honestly how do you fully release a social platform game?

lone scroll Oct 28, 2020, 4:16 PM

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early access isnt an excuse to provide the minimum viable product full of bugs, no communication etc

carmine nebula Oct 28, 2020, 4:16 PM

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Is that even possible to do?

lofty idol Oct 28, 2020, 4:16 PM

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Yes

copper niche Oct 28, 2020, 4:16 PM

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Honestly how do you fully release a social platform game?
@carmine nebula don't have a crashy app that breaks avatars?

pseudo basalt Oct 28, 2020, 4:16 PM

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It's also a free game

copper niche Oct 28, 2020, 4:16 PM

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warframe is also a free game

pseudo basalt Oct 28, 2020, 4:16 PM

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Excuse or not, they don't owe you anything

lofty idol Oct 28, 2020, 4:16 PM

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please stop using that logic

umbral reef Oct 28, 2020, 4:16 PM

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Warframe was a buggy mess for years

lofty idol Oct 28, 2020, 4:16 PM

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they legit make money off the playerbase even if we don't pay them

carmine nebula Oct 28, 2020, 4:17 PM

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VRChat and warframe are two different kind of games

lofty idol Oct 28, 2020, 4:17 PM

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if everyone left they'd go bankrupt in a month

carmine nebula Oct 28, 2020, 4:17 PM

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Pog

umbral reef Oct 28, 2020, 4:17 PM

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they legit make money off the playerbase even if we don't pay them
@lofty idol and how then 🙃

copper niche Oct 28, 2020, 4:17 PM

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investors

lofty idol Oct 28, 2020, 4:17 PM

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Investment

pseudo basalt Oct 28, 2020, 4:17 PM

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It's specifically addressed at the ~inexcusable~ part

lofty idol Oct 28, 2020, 4:17 PM

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Testing vr things for companies

umbral reef Oct 28, 2020, 4:17 PM

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And thats making money or getting an investment that has to follow a specific set of rules

copper niche Oct 28, 2020, 4:17 PM

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Vrchat had commissions on the amount of oculus sold

languid beacon Oct 28, 2020, 4:17 PM

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You could be off playing CVR instead. But you are here. On VRC’s discord. Wishing VRC was better. That alone should tell you that VRC is better.

copper niche Oct 28, 2020, 4:17 PM

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I am on cvr, what are you talking about lmao

umbral reef Oct 28, 2020, 4:17 PM

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Vrchat had commissions on the amount of oculus sold
@copper niche Cool, got proof for that as its never been shown

lone scroll Oct 28, 2020, 4:17 PM

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of course vrc is better, its been out for many years

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cvr started active development not even a year ago

carmine nebula Oct 28, 2020, 4:18 PM

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CVR's team are very... aggressive with serious questions

lone scroll Oct 28, 2020, 4:18 PM

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cvr is a good alternative, its promising

copper niche Oct 28, 2020, 4:18 PM

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I disagree

carmine nebula Oct 28, 2020, 4:18 PM

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I'd rather have DEVs not responding as much, to devs being ... aggressive

copper niche Oct 28, 2020, 4:18 PM

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I spoke with the devs, they're actually pretty nice

carmine nebula Oct 28, 2020, 4:18 PM

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@copper niche I can't ask important, serious questions without getting an aggressive finger pointed at me and being shunned for asking

copper niche Oct 28, 2020, 4:18 PM

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like what?

carmine nebula Oct 28, 2020, 4:18 PM

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I've asked groups of people that agree

raw creek Oct 28, 2020, 4:19 PM

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VRChat very much makes money off of headset manufacturers, because VRChat is bizarrely a very killer app for vr right now

carmine nebula Oct 28, 2020, 4:19 PM

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Oh you know, questions that regard the safety of users, etc

copper niche Oct 28, 2020, 4:19 PM

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yes, like what?

carmine nebula Oct 28, 2020, 4:19 PM

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Avatar related things, as well

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If there's easier back doors that aren't being secured

copper niche Oct 28, 2020, 4:19 PM

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That's not really something devs talk about lol

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for security reasons

umbral reef Oct 28, 2020, 4:19 PM

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VRChat very much makes money off of headset manufacturers, because VRChat is bizarrely a very killer app for vr right now
@raw creek Again got any proof for that? As literally no other company that isnt directly owned by an headset seller gets anything 'extra'

carmine nebula Oct 28, 2020, 4:20 PM

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Well, unless you want an active community to feel safe

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And "prove" it's not as great as vrchat

lofty idol Oct 28, 2020, 4:20 PM

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The fact of the matter is vrchat makes money off people playing. That is unquestionable fact. They benefit off the game functioning and us playing it. We actively help them as a company by being a community. So if they fuck us with no communication and buggy content we have every right to complain. Saying otherwise just means you're an idiot.

raw creek Oct 28, 2020, 4:20 PM

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You can literally just google “VRChat investment”

carmine nebula Oct 28, 2020, 4:20 PM

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Of course you have every right to complain

copper niche Oct 28, 2020, 4:20 PM

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Remember, if you're not paying, you're the product

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They are making cash off of you

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And your troubles

umbral reef Oct 28, 2020, 4:20 PM

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Seeding rounds are not deals wit headset manufactures.

carmine nebula Oct 28, 2020, 4:21 PM

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I don't care, as long as I can enjoy the, tremendous amount of money I spent to play a game that's VR and social

lofty idol Oct 28, 2020, 4:21 PM

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Adeon please stop

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You legit thought worlds were locally hosted

copper niche Oct 28, 2020, 4:21 PM

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@lofty idol I don’t think you understand what facts are. Playing VR chat does not make the devs any money at all
@languid beacon Yes they do, stop being ignorant about it

carmine nebula Oct 28, 2020, 4:21 PM

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What I mean to DEVs means nothing to me personally, just lemme play

languid beacon Oct 28, 2020, 4:21 PM

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Explain how being logged into VR chat makes the devs money

viscid whale Oct 28, 2020, 4:21 PM

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Altspace VR 😎

umbral reef Oct 28, 2020, 4:21 PM

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Most of the current worth within VRC are directly tied to there networking code, Udon and AV3
And the odds are extreme that those had to be made before other tools and functions as a deal of those seeding rounds

ruby stratus Oct 28, 2020, 4:21 PM

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ew, just ew

lone scroll Oct 28, 2020, 4:21 PM

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Facebook Horizon 🆒

ruby stratus Oct 28, 2020, 4:22 PM

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double ew

carmine nebula Oct 28, 2020, 4:22 PM

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Thought VRChat ran off of amazon servers

ruby stratus Oct 28, 2020, 4:22 PM

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lmaoo

raw creek Oct 28, 2020, 4:22 PM

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I personally didn’t claim they get a cut off a headset sale or anything; but it’s undeniable that they’re invested in because they sell hardware.

carmine nebula Oct 28, 2020, 4:22 PM

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Unless that was just a rumor shrug

languid beacon Oct 28, 2020, 4:22 PM

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We’re not talking about them getting a cut off headset sales were talking about them generating money from people being logged in

copper niche Oct 28, 2020, 4:22 PM

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Explain how being logged into VR chat makes the devs money
@languid beacon Active user count, data points from using vr technology are 2 examples

deft temple Oct 28, 2020, 4:22 PM

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So, I'm new to VRChat and I wanted to maybe my OC into a custom avatar but I have no idea where to start

lofty idol Oct 28, 2020, 4:22 PM

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@languid beacon so facebook comes out with quest, facebook wants quest to be supported, facebook give company millions to support quest, they do this since company has product that community uses that has vr support

deft temple Oct 28, 2020, 4:22 PM

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Make*

carmine nebula Oct 28, 2020, 4:22 PM

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Facebook is in some deep trouble with that quest...

copper niche Oct 28, 2020, 4:22 PM

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selling your logged data

carmine nebula Oct 28, 2020, 4:22 PM

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That's a yikes doing that too ^

languid beacon Oct 28, 2020, 4:23 PM

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@languid beacon so facebook comes out with quest, facebook wants quest to be supported, facebook give company millions to support quest, they do this since company has product that community uses that has vr support
@lofty idol That’s making money for making quest version not making money from people being logged in

copper niche Oct 28, 2020, 4:23 PM

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but yeah vrchat doesn't make money off of you playing

carmine nebula Oct 28, 2020, 4:23 PM

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Assuming you're talking about FB

copper niche Oct 28, 2020, 4:23 PM

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They just get it from nowhere

lofty idol Oct 28, 2020, 4:23 PM

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Adeon please you're making my brain hurt

ruby stratus Oct 28, 2020, 4:23 PM

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while there's no ads, i'd imagine they collect some form of data
explains why it's 13 and up, cuz of data collection laws in the US

umbral reef Oct 28, 2020, 4:23 PM

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@languid beacon so facebook comes out with quest, facebook wants quest to be supported, facebook give company millions to support quest, they do this since company has product that community uses that has vr support
@lofty idol Literally no other dev got that. All the devs get is support porting there software (even smaller devs got this) and beta versions of the headsets to test.
There is no reason for any headset to give VRC money- Id be extremely stupid for VRC to not port over to a system like quest with or without money.

raw creek Oct 28, 2020, 4:23 PM

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Adeon, a larger user base means that their integration is worth more

carmine nebula Oct 28, 2020, 4:23 PM

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No offense to anyone under the legal age of 18, but I don't like being around underage users, makes me uncomfortable

umbral reef Oct 28, 2020, 4:24 PM

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while there's no ads, i'd imagine they collect some form of data
explains why it's 13 and up, cuz of data collection laws in the US
@ruby stratus That law isnt 'just' for data collection and has a heaps of more things to care about.

languid beacon Oct 28, 2020, 4:24 PM

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18 is meaningless to me becasue I’m not sexual at all. As long as someone stops being a squeeker they are good by me

little rampart Oct 28, 2020, 4:24 PM

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@deft temple #avatars-2-general

celest flower Oct 28, 2020, 4:25 PM

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Vrchat needs to fix the problem with the Viewpoint.

carmine nebula Oct 28, 2020, 4:25 PM

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It has nothing to do with being sexual or not. It's just all in general

cold talon Oct 28, 2020, 4:25 PM

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dang, guess im not good with adeon squeaks

lofty idol Oct 28, 2020, 4:25 PM

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People here that don't understand how the world works hurt my soul

ruby stratus Oct 28, 2020, 4:25 PM

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while i agree
it's just that's the main relevant part to the conversation @umbral reef

carmine nebula Oct 28, 2020, 4:25 PM

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It's 2020, Mayrui. NOBODY understands how the world works.

raw creek Oct 28, 2020, 4:25 PM

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And no, nothing else gets that support because none of them are VRChat. Name one other social vr game that regularly sees >15k active players

lofty idol Oct 28, 2020, 4:26 PM

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Moral of the story community gets investments

carmine nebula Oct 28, 2020, 4:26 PM

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VRChat has such a high active player base for its length of time

lofty idol Oct 28, 2020, 4:26 PM

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community existing make company money

ruby stratus Oct 28, 2020, 4:26 PM

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is it even 2020 anymore? we've had more stuff go on in 2 months than in the past 3 years
2020 is actually 2020 through 2050 but we don't realize it yet

lofty idol Oct 28, 2020, 4:26 PM

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it isn't rocket science

carmine nebula Oct 28, 2020, 4:26 PM

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2020 ends: You've completed the tutorial

umbral reef Oct 28, 2020, 4:26 PM

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while i agree
it's just that's the main relevant part to the conversation @umbral reef
@ruby stratus It literally isnt. Your trying to gasslight people that agree with you already by lying.
The reason VRC is 13+ is because a game cant get a lower rating unless they can confirm that all there content is child friendly.
As VRC allows users to upload worlds and avatars they could never get that rating. Even if all VRC owned content is safe, the rest isnt and its deeply integrated and lightly moderated.

vocal shard Oct 28, 2020, 4:26 PM

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december 32nd 2020

languid beacon Oct 28, 2020, 4:27 PM

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And no, nothing else gets that support because none of them are VRChat. Name one other social vr game that regularly sees >15k active players
@raw creek second life has around 40k when they had vr support. But they dropped it in the DK2 days because they thought it was a fad

carmine nebula Oct 28, 2020, 4:27 PM

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@vocal shard I'm gonna have to stop you right there

umbral reef Oct 28, 2020, 4:27 PM

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And no, nothing else gets that support because none of them are VRChat. Name one other social vr game that regularly sees >15k active players
@raw creek On facebooks own development support website it says that they provide support to people who need it. If your a bigger team you had the option to contact them to get extra special help porting.

carmine nebula Oct 28, 2020, 4:27 PM

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:^)

vocal shard Oct 28, 2020, 4:27 PM

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im gonna have to stop YOU right there

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nevermind i dont want to be here

raw creek Oct 28, 2020, 4:27 PM

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VRChat is hot as hell. Desktop mode also encourages you to be jealous of all these vr players, you ask them “hey how are you playing?” and they respond with “oculus quest 2, it’s great, don’t even need a pc”
It’s incredibly effective marketing

carmine nebula Oct 28, 2020, 4:28 PM

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You said avatar 2.0's are broken? @vocal shard Mine were fine

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🤔

languid beacon Oct 28, 2020, 4:28 PM

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Avatar 2 avatars aren’t broken at all for me

vocal shard Oct 28, 2020, 4:28 PM

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my blendshapes on my 2.0 avatars are broken

carmine nebula Oct 28, 2020, 4:28 PM

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Might be a you thing, maybe

vocal shard Oct 28, 2020, 4:28 PM

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its not

carmine nebula Oct 28, 2020, 4:28 PM

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Shrug

vocal shard Oct 28, 2020, 4:29 PM

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bc, the blendshapes on my avatars that i havent updated in like 3 months are also broken

carmine nebula Oct 28, 2020, 4:29 PM

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The only issue I was having

ruby stratus Oct 28, 2020, 4:29 PM

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okokokokokokok listen
do NOT say i'm gaslighting
it's literally on the first page of COPPA @umbral reef

languid beacon Oct 28, 2020, 4:29 PM

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All my break stuff is avatar 3.0. And even then only the ones using animator tracking control

umbral reef Oct 28, 2020, 4:29 PM

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Coppa isnt the only law 🙃

vocal shard Oct 28, 2020, 4:29 PM

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and approximately, before the update, my avatars worked.

carmine nebula Oct 28, 2020, 4:29 PM

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Was that EVERY TIME I joined a new world, my FBT went back to "normal vr mode"

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Was quite annoying...

raw creek Oct 28, 2020, 4:29 PM

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I’m also not entirely sure VRChat is competent enough to steal any useful data tbh

ruby stratus Oct 28, 2020, 4:29 PM

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well neither are traffic laws ribbit ribbit or something

umbral reef Oct 28, 2020, 4:29 PM

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Coppa also wont allow users to make an account at all if they are under 13
So we got that covered also for you.

lofty idol Oct 28, 2020, 4:30 PM

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Its not about stealing data just recording data

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which is something anyone can do

raw creek Oct 28, 2020, 4:30 PM

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Same thing, really

lofty idol Oct 28, 2020, 4:30 PM

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I mean then they're competent enough to do it

cold talon Oct 28, 2020, 4:30 PM

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nah nah nah Yacker, they are pulling a 200iq move, they want you to believe that they cant do that

lofty idol Oct 28, 2020, 4:30 PM

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it literally just data go in, data go into log, the end

languid beacon Oct 28, 2020, 4:31 PM

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Wouldn’t VRChat need to put this stuff in their ToS if they plan to use it

lofty idol Oct 28, 2020, 4:31 PM

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Its really super simple to do

umbral reef Oct 28, 2020, 4:31 PM

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Wouldn’t VRChat need to put this stuff in their ToS if they plan to use it
@languid beacon Unless they want to get insane fines for something that aint too hard to track. Yes

lofty idol Oct 28, 2020, 4:31 PM

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It probably is in the tos but no one reads those

tribal star Oct 28, 2020, 4:31 PM

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I havent gotten the new update, whats up

languid beacon Oct 28, 2020, 4:31 PM

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So why are people accusing VRChat of stealing data?

raw creek Oct 28, 2020, 4:31 PM

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You’d think so but I’d like to remind you that we once had problems with people able to change other peoples avatars

lofty idol Oct 28, 2020, 4:31 PM

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Have you read the tos adeon

glossy jay Oct 28, 2020, 4:31 PM

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i can't hear certain player voices 😦

raw creek Oct 28, 2020, 4:31 PM

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That’s like
networking 101 dear god

ruby stratus Oct 28, 2020, 4:31 PM

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if they dont want any legal issues, yes that would be in ToS
and for some EU laws they'd have to have a clearly defined way to get your data scrubbed from the system
i believe there's something on the US side too

umbral reef Oct 28, 2020, 4:31 PM

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I havent gotten the new update, whats up
@tribal star Stuff bricked as often happens with new updates
Prob 1a2 days before its fixed again as often happens

tribal star Oct 28, 2020, 4:32 PM

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ah alright

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thanks

lone scroll Oct 28, 2020, 4:32 PM

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cant wait for Avatar 4.0

umbral reef Oct 28, 2020, 4:32 PM

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if they dont want any legal issues, yes that would be in ToS
and for some EU laws they'd have to have a clearly defined way to get your data scrubbed from the system
i believe there's something on the US side too
@ruby stratus The US side is only if you live in California, every other part doesnt have those rules

languid beacon Oct 28, 2020, 4:32 PM

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Yes I have fully read the ToS as well as the community guidelines @lofty idol

glossy jay Oct 28, 2020, 4:32 PM

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please fix voice chat issue :(. i can't hear my friend voice

ruby stratus Oct 28, 2020, 4:32 PM

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im not a lawyer, just going off what I heard

@glossy jay turn voice off and on again for the person

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and have them do the same

languid beacon Oct 28, 2020, 4:33 PM

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VRChat’s ToS is way more plain English than most

lofty idol Oct 28, 2020, 4:33 PM

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Adeon

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Consent to Use of Data.

languid beacon Oct 28, 2020, 4:33 PM

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Mayrui

lofty idol Oct 28, 2020, 4:34 PM

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You're welcome

raw creek Oct 28, 2020, 4:34 PM

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I wouldn’t put it past oculus to try and yank your data from quest players interacting with you though

languid beacon Oct 28, 2020, 4:34 PM

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So I repeat my question

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Why are people accusing VRChat of stealing data?

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If it’s in the tos, it isn’t stealing

ruby stratus Oct 28, 2020, 4:35 PM

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we're not talking about stealing data, not all data collection is illegal

lofty idol Oct 28, 2020, 4:35 PM

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I'm going to just fake like he doesn't exist

ruby stratus Oct 28, 2020, 4:35 PM

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^^

lofty idol Oct 28, 2020, 4:35 PM

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he hurts me physically

languid beacon Oct 28, 2020, 4:35 PM

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Block me then, god

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Stop complaining

ruby stratus Oct 28, 2020, 4:35 PM

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i don't block people on discord but that is where I call it

vocal shard Oct 28, 2020, 4:36 PM

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Hehe

raw creek Oct 28, 2020, 4:36 PM

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I think it was just an idea as to how they made money.
Maybe they do, maybe they don’t. Market analysts may actually enjoy certain data like general hardware use that wouldn’t be hard to come across

ruby stratus Oct 28, 2020, 4:36 PM

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and that other guy which i won't name

raw creek Oct 28, 2020, 4:37 PM

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So it’s not the most far fetched theory actually...once you get past their shoddy history of networking.

lofty idol Oct 28, 2020, 4:37 PM

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Its just one of many ways they logically make a profit off the community

ruby stratus Oct 28, 2020, 4:37 PM

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idek why im talking here
I could be doing literally anything else
some of yall seem chill, actually most of you
just some make me wanna scr e a m

languid beacon Oct 28, 2020, 4:37 PM

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I doubt they monitized VRChat at all. Talking with Tupper they really haven’t figured out how to monitized yet

lofty idol Oct 28, 2020, 4:37 PM

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Honestly its like borderline entertaining background noise to blender

raw creek Oct 28, 2020, 4:38 PM

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It wouldn’t be in development if they had 0 money though

lofty idol Oct 28, 2020, 4:38 PM

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Because of course the community manager is going to reveal in depth financial information about the company am I right

copper niche Oct 28, 2020, 4:38 PM

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I doubt they monitized VRChat at all. Talking with Tupper they really haven’t figured out how to monitized yet
@languid beacon https://medium.com/vrchat/vrchat-partners-with-htc-and-makers-fund-to-close-10m-series-c-50ea04d5ca23

languid beacon Oct 28, 2020, 4:38 PM

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Funding isn’t monetizing

ruby stratus Oct 28, 2020, 4:38 PM

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I was working on an avatar and I uploaded it like 2 hours before the great bonk lol

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@copper niche dont even bother

copper niche Oct 28, 2020, 4:39 PM

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nope, I'm going racing. peace

languid beacon Oct 28, 2020, 4:39 PM

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@copper niche you do understand there is a difference between being given a pile of money and making your product generate money, right

ruby stratus Oct 28, 2020, 4:39 PM

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nyoom nyoom

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also if you think this is bad, were you in the Last Oasis discord when the servers went down for 2 weeks? @lofty idol

glossy jay Oct 28, 2020, 4:40 PM

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im not a lawyer, just going off what I heard

@glossy jay turn voice off and on again for the person
@ruby stratus doesn't work 😦

ruby stratus Oct 28, 2020, 4:41 PM

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outta luck then, sorry man
might wanna play something else while they fix whatever happened

lofty idol Oct 28, 2020, 4:41 PM

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I don't usually get involved in discord stuff but this is interesting in train wreck kind of way

ruby stratus Oct 28, 2020, 4:41 PM

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^^

raw creek Oct 28, 2020, 4:41 PM

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Honestly they should partner with booth or something and make an integrated asset store with “verified” assets that don’t get killed by safety settings.

ruby stratus Oct 28, 2020, 4:42 PM

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I really wish I got screenshots from that, it was comedy gold
slow mode was on 30 mins FFS, and people would WAIT the 30 mins to type a whole essay on why "dev bad please refund"

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every 30 mins like 50 people would incoherently whine on a discord text chat, like clockwork

languid beacon Oct 28, 2020, 4:43 PM

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At least they were synchronized

ruby stratus Oct 28, 2020, 4:43 PM

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dont quote me on it but slowmode was at 1 hour at the very peak
or whatever the max is

languid beacon Oct 28, 2020, 4:43 PM

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50 people offset across 30 minute cooldowns would be worse

cold talon Oct 28, 2020, 4:46 PM

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max slow mode is 6h

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mega epic ngl

obsidian crag Oct 28, 2020, 4:49 PM

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Soo, did they rollback yet 🙂

cold talon Oct 28, 2020, 4:50 PM

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niet, and not in the future either

zenith pumice Oct 28, 2020, 4:50 PM

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this update broke most of my avatars

cedar rose Oct 28, 2020, 4:51 PM

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i have gone mostly deaf this update, woo

zenith pumice Oct 28, 2020, 4:51 PM

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it do be like that

cedar rose Oct 28, 2020, 4:51 PM

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who needs the 'chat' in vrchat anyway right?

zenith pumice Oct 28, 2020, 4:51 PM

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ye, all we need are mirrors

cedar rose Oct 28, 2020, 4:52 PM

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yeah they're aware of the issue

zenith pumice Oct 28, 2020, 4:52 PM

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hopefully they can just send out a quick patch, because it seems like these issues were in the open beta, and they still pushed out the update

deft temple Oct 28, 2020, 4:53 PM

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Oh wait VRchat works with WMR now? Bruh lol I've been playing desktop

zenith pumice Oct 28, 2020, 4:53 PM

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i want my avatars fixed too

obsidian crag Oct 28, 2020, 4:53 PM

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The issue where the game basically isn't playable right now and people have to cancel their events cause avatars and audio are broken lol.

zenith pumice Oct 28, 2020, 4:53 PM

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yeah,

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i might not play as much and go to cvr until they fix this

cedar rose Oct 28, 2020, 4:54 PM

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just gonna grind pop1 and bsaber harder ig

languid beacon Oct 28, 2020, 4:54 PM

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Does anybody have a link to the canny post where people posted about the problems that were in the open beta before it got pushed to live

zenith pumice Oct 28, 2020, 4:55 PM

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i saw the issues in #open-beta-discussion

languid beacon Oct 28, 2020, 4:55 PM

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Yeah but posting bugs there doesn’t mean anything

zenith pumice Oct 28, 2020, 4:55 PM

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i guess so

ruby tiger Oct 28, 2020, 4:55 PM

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wait, so there is still no fix or rollback?

karmic talon Oct 28, 2020, 4:55 PM

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nope

ruby tiger Oct 28, 2020, 4:55 PM

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amazing

zenith pumice Oct 28, 2020, 4:55 PM

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still on build 1004...

languid beacon Oct 28, 2020, 4:56 PM

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No guessing about it, Tupper actually said if it’s not on canny it’s not an issue

karmic talon Oct 28, 2020, 4:56 PM

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did someone put up a canny yet?

zenith pumice Oct 28, 2020, 4:56 PM

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lol

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idk

karmic talon Oct 28, 2020, 4:56 PM

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because I fear that they actually won't do anything at all if people don't

lone scroll Oct 28, 2020, 4:56 PM

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hi im here for the hourly checkup, game fixed yet?

ruby tiger Oct 28, 2020, 4:57 PM

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scroll up

lone scroll Oct 28, 2020, 4:57 PM

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ah i see, thanks! see you in an hour

karmic talon Oct 28, 2020, 4:57 PM

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no it has not, and yea I doubt they'll read it but let's just try anyway, maybe if we speak loud enough they'll hear us lol

languid beacon Oct 28, 2020, 4:57 PM

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I’m being intentionally coy here, because I don’t think anybody actually reported it on the canny while it was in open beta, dispite everyone saying the bugs were known. If someone does have a canny link though it should shut me up good.

zenith pumice Oct 28, 2020, 4:58 PM

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wait... why would you not report a bug when in open beta?

ruby tiger Oct 28, 2020, 4:58 PM

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it was reported though, https://canary.discordapp.com/channels/189511567539306508/449386885299830794/770009646010073088

languid beacon Oct 28, 2020, 4:58 PM

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Yes but Tupper, the community manager, has explicitly stated that if a bug isn’t reported on the canny then it won’t get addressed. Pointing out bugs on discord won’t do anything

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Thanks.

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That’s exactly what I needed

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Turns out they did tho

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Scratch that still not finding the canny link

zenith pumice Oct 28, 2020, 5:00 PM

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lets be honest, they took months to fix the menu lag, so chances are the same could happen with this update and its issues

lone scroll Oct 28, 2020, 5:00 PM

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^

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which they introduced with the patch before

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remember the client desync exploit is still not fixed, go to publics and get crashed by clients

zenith pumice Oct 28, 2020, 5:01 PM

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ive been hit by something where if enough props are flying at high speeds in the black cat and someone moves the plunger under your feet it crashes you

charred drum Oct 28, 2020, 5:03 PM

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arr and Halloween is days away! 😮

vocal shard Oct 28, 2020, 5:04 PM

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Ah shit nevermind

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Here are the riots

cold talon Oct 28, 2020, 5:04 PM

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Halloween is always days away

charred drum Oct 28, 2020, 5:05 PM

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yee, I want to party

languid beacon Oct 28, 2020, 5:05 PM

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Antispam hates spooky ghosts.

stiff tree Oct 28, 2020, 5:22 PM

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anyone know of a way to launch a world from the website on the desktop client, it auto launches in vr for me

blazing wave Oct 28, 2020, 5:24 PM

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Be in desktop in vrc already, then do the invite me option

stiff tree Oct 28, 2020, 5:24 PM

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hm I don't see that option, just launch and public link

blazing wave Oct 28, 2020, 5:25 PM

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Do public link first

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It does make a public version tho, I'm unsure how to make a invite version

stiff tree Oct 28, 2020, 5:25 PM

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seems like it's not an option for community lab worlds

blazing wave Oct 28, 2020, 5:26 PM

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Ah, then might have better luck finding it in game

stiff tree Oct 28, 2020, 5:26 PM

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a bit annoying because I don't think search brings up lab worlds

blazing wave Oct 28, 2020, 5:26 PM

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It should

stiff tree Oct 28, 2020, 5:27 PM

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weird, it at least does on the website

dapper coral Oct 28, 2020, 5:28 PM

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Unable to mute people playing nazis sounds over and over is so fun

stiff tree Oct 28, 2020, 5:28 PM

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but I don't have any luck in client with lab worlds

random yew Oct 28, 2020, 5:31 PM

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@jolly plume some of the devs have responded if you look closely. from what I know they are trying to fix the issue.

charred hornet Oct 28, 2020, 5:33 PM

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thats usually what people look out for, some kind of statement instead of some random message that gets flooded out of the chat

honest ravine Oct 28, 2020, 5:33 PM

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So what actually is the bug in the first place?

languid beacon Oct 28, 2020, 5:34 PM

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imagine being paid 6 figures and not being able to keep people updated on discord on an issue that makes your game unplayable
@finite notch#084I think that’s a bit of hyperbole. Not being able to use emotes is hardly “unplayable”

random yew Oct 28, 2020, 5:34 PM

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i don't know if they are fixing it but eariler one the vrchat team memebers replied to someone not being able to talk. they said they were trying to fix it. You would have to scroll up all the way to find that message.

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all i can really say is just wait. I'm unable to speak to any of my friends on vrchat and relying on discord to be able to communicate with them.

regal furnace Oct 28, 2020, 5:36 PM

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u still not done complaining?

frosty veldt Oct 28, 2020, 5:37 PM

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I dont think the devs have ever done a rollback or ever will

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For which update?

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Still its usually better to work through problems and fix them then to back step on updates

weak lantern Oct 28, 2020, 5:40 PM

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build 921

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they did roll back

frosty veldt Oct 28, 2020, 5:41 PM

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I mean there have been glaring issues for over a year that have not been fixed

lone scroll Oct 28, 2020, 5:41 PM

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guys stop

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youre making me sad 😦

regal furnace Oct 28, 2020, 5:41 PM

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glare issues? havent heared of these before

weak lantern Oct 28, 2020, 5:42 PM

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what is glarr issu

frosty veldt Oct 28, 2020, 5:42 PM

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Maybe not to you, bugs effect everyone to different extents

languid beacon Oct 28, 2020, 5:42 PM

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I thought people get angry when they don’t have mirrors. Now I know the foam starts appearing when you take away their emotes.

fast salmon Oct 28, 2020, 5:43 PM

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They've done rollbacks a couple of times, the most prominent I remember was the network IK update released before Christmas

umbral reef Oct 28, 2020, 5:43 PM

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I thought people get angry when they don’t have mirrors. Now I know the foam starts appearing when you take away their emotes.
@languid beacon Most toxic this chat has ever been was when they bricked some avatar stuff.
Literally no other part of the game, even the bugs that made the game not work for hours on end caused more of a shitstorm

lone scroll Oct 28, 2020, 5:43 PM

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i mean there is a lot of big issues, been reporting a few crashers and avatar stealers with documented proof and links to show them via email, never got any response and the people are still unbanned

languid beacon Oct 28, 2020, 5:44 PM

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I think I missed that. What did they brick?

umbral reef Oct 28, 2020, 5:44 PM

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I got no idea but it was around 2018ish

languid beacon Oct 28, 2020, 5:44 PM

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I came in May 2018

fast salmon Oct 28, 2020, 5:45 PM

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The first try at network IK was in Christmas 2018 I think

regal furnace Oct 28, 2020, 5:45 PM

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@jolly plume you have been sitting here complaining for what? 8 hours now? if its such a big deal and emergency for you, then you should ping one of the devs in here

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they dont smell your problems

frosty veldt Oct 28, 2020, 5:45 PM

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Biggest complaints I remember was when they redid FBT mechanics after telling everyone to stop using FBT hacks and people got sad 😞

fast salmon Oct 28, 2020, 5:45 PM

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And that introduced such a load on the servers they had to rollback

frosty veldt Oct 28, 2020, 5:46 PM

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Yeah the rollback on NetIK makes sense because it was impossible to test that sort of problem on a small beta population

weak lantern Oct 28, 2020, 5:46 PM

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he will stop complain when devs fix this issues

languid beacon Oct 28, 2020, 5:47 PM

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Biggest complaints I remember was when they redid FBT mechanics after telling everyone to stop using FBT hacks and people got sad 😞
@frosty veldt lol. ”don’t use fbt hax, we will break avatars that use it in the future. If you must use them, don’t use them on public avatars”

everyone proceeds to use them on public avatars

normal radish Oct 28, 2020, 5:47 PM

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why dont fast food chains make fries belgian style

umbral reef Oct 28, 2020, 5:47 PM

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Biggest complaints I remember was when they redid FBT mechanics after telling everyone to stop using FBT hacks and people got sad 😞
@frosty veldt That was honestly a funny as fuck one. Everyone slowly flowing into the discord, asking what is wrong and realizing how they gotta unbrick there avatar after reading the patchnotes even though they got warned lots of time before.

normal radish Oct 28, 2020, 5:47 PM

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YEAAAA

languid beacon Oct 28, 2020, 5:48 PM

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Doesn’t matter how many times they are fairly warned they’ll still blame the devs

frosty veldt Oct 28, 2020, 5:48 PM

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Some of my super old avatars are broke because of that update but tbh they are still 5.6.3 lmao

languid beacon Oct 28, 2020, 5:48 PM

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"warned"
@
removes core unity animation state feature just because
@jolly plume elaborate

karmic talon Oct 28, 2020, 5:48 PM

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lmao yes the outrage after the FBT update was hilarious

foggy flower Oct 28, 2020, 5:48 PM

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So I’m guessing based on chat that chat is still broken and I won’t be able to join friends tonight and worlds will be empty?

umbral reef Oct 28, 2020, 5:49 PM

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Only one of my 5.6.3 avatar got bricked. But that was in one of the unity jumps i think.
Past that none of my avatars broke even though they got a fair bit on them

languid beacon Oct 28, 2020, 5:49 PM

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So I’m guessing based on chat that chat is still broken and I won’t be able to join friends tonight and worlds will be empty?
@foggy flower vrchat works fine just emotes are broken and people really don’t like that

mystic raft Oct 28, 2020, 5:49 PM

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Is the audio still a problem?

languid beacon Oct 28, 2020, 5:49 PM

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If your avatar is simple with no special effects or anything it is fine

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I didn’t personally have the audio issue but the audio problems might be world specific

foggy flower Oct 28, 2020, 5:50 PM

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Ok, last night I was having problems with worlds not having anyone in them despite them saying they did beforehand so thought that was still an issue

weak lantern Oct 28, 2020, 5:50 PM

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many udon based worlds keep saying their worlds are broken today

languid beacon Oct 28, 2020, 5:50 PM

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You’re talking about something completely different than us harry

mystic raft Oct 28, 2020, 5:51 PM

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@foggy flower that was most likely because people hadn’t updated/ updated before you so they were on the older version which happens nearly every time of an update :3

foggy flower Oct 28, 2020, 5:51 PM

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Ok that makes sense, thanks 👍

mystic raft Oct 28, 2020, 5:51 PM

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No problem :3

white sage Oct 28, 2020, 5:57 PM

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sup neeeeeerds

bitter cypress Oct 28, 2020, 5:59 PM

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hey yalls

regal furnace Oct 28, 2020, 6:01 PM

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👋

mystic echo Oct 28, 2020, 6:02 PM

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hi

lone scroll Oct 28, 2020, 6:07 PM

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hi its been another hour, game fixed yet?

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looking at the previous post and seeing no new patch im gonna come back in another hour

bitter cypress Oct 28, 2020, 6:08 PM

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anyone playin vr chat can i join?

hollow ingot Oct 28, 2020, 6:09 PM

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In one of those private instances?

languid beacon Oct 28, 2020, 6:09 PM

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looking at the previous post and seeing no new patch im gonna come back in another hour
@lone scroll subscribe to the notifications channel like a normal person that way you don’t have to annoy us

lone scroll Oct 28, 2020, 6:10 PM

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😦

languid beacon Oct 28, 2020, 6:10 PM

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Sorry just a bit annoying lol

regal furnace Oct 28, 2020, 6:15 PM

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i wonder if vrchat implements DLSS support some time in the future, would boost performance probably quite a bit

broken plover Oct 28, 2020, 6:16 PM

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only really if performance would be gpu bottlenecked. But most of the time its probably cpu bottleneck I think

regal furnace Oct 28, 2020, 6:19 PM

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more gpu headroom is always a good idea

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a cpu upgrade is planned for me, but not that soon, gonna wait for DDR5 to drop first

odd blaze Oct 28, 2020, 6:22 PM

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👀 uhoh

lone scroll Oct 28, 2020, 6:26 PM

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18 hour since update no tweet or mention about the game breaking bugs whatsoever

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you guys dont deserve this community in all honesty

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👀

covert chasm Oct 28, 2020, 6:28 PM

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Appreciate any info you can provide on the issues. We're well aware of the pain points and have been working on it since last night. Haven't tweeted or mentioned it because.. well, we're trying to find reliable replications and track down a fix. 😛

lone scroll Oct 28, 2020, 6:29 PM

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vrcHappy good to hear that you are working on it

covert chasm Oct 28, 2020, 6:29 PM

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Of course we are

lone scroll Oct 28, 2020, 6:29 PM

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any ETA?

normal radish Oct 28, 2020, 6:29 PM

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not a raid

covert chasm Oct 28, 2020, 6:29 PM

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Yes, when its done 😛

lone scroll Oct 28, 2020, 6:29 PM

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o:

broken plover Oct 28, 2020, 6:29 PM

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why are the vive controls still bugged? They've been like that since the 3.0 update came out :/

soft timber Oct 28, 2020, 6:29 PM

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did this update mess up 3.0 avis

covert chasm Oct 28, 2020, 6:29 PM

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No, I haven't been in this channel until I got pinged right now. As I stated, I've been personally building replications and tracking on issues.

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If you can post a link to your Feedback/Canny post with replication steps and an example, that'd be helpful @jolly plume

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I'm unsure how to deliver this in a friendly manner that doesn't sound like a skipping record, but please summarize your issues with a Feedback/Canny post with replication steps and ideally an example

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That way I can link that Canny into our internal tracking and it will help us with tracking down issues

languid beacon Oct 28, 2020, 6:32 PM

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One issue I have is that is it highly dependent on who is wearing the avatar. Other people see the avatars broken for me but they look fine for myself. If somebody else wears them they work perfectly for both of themselves and everyone else

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Makes reproducing very hard

normal radish Oct 28, 2020, 6:33 PM

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Theory still typing

charred hornet Oct 28, 2020, 6:33 PM

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its a little random, sometimes reloading the avatar breaks / fixes it

languid beacon Oct 28, 2020, 6:33 PM

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The only thing I can reliably do is wear the avatar myself and everyone else always sees it broken

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I could happily share a blueprint ID but it seems to work fine for everybody else

regal furnace Oct 28, 2020, 6:35 PM

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probably because none of the bugs are gamebreaking and stop you from talking to other people (what the game is about)

charred hornet Oct 28, 2020, 6:35 PM

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actually, considering there is a bug that does exactly that currently

languid beacon Oct 28, 2020, 6:35 PM

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Yeah the broken emotes really aren’t that big of a deal, I mean it’s annoying but the majority of people are playing and not even knowing there’s issues

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It seems like chaos here on Discord but go in the game and nobody’s complaining

charred hornet Oct 28, 2020, 6:36 PM

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its not just emotes, we aren't complaining because we can't backflip anymore

regal furnace Oct 28, 2020, 6:36 PM

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the game was unstable before too

charred hornet Oct 28, 2020, 6:36 PM

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and thats an excuse is it?

regal furnace Oct 28, 2020, 6:36 PM

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infact, yesterday i had to restart 3 times in the first 30 minutes because of that loading bug

languid beacon Oct 28, 2020, 6:37 PM

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Harry let me explain this in a way you might understand.

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If they roll it back how the heck are we supposed to reproduce the bugs

vocal shard Oct 28, 2020, 6:37 PM

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Why is vrchat crouching broken like its instant crouching like before

acoustic yew Oct 28, 2020, 6:37 PM

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so are these animation issues due to the write defaults thing?

charred hornet Oct 28, 2020, 6:37 PM

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the devs will still have access to the build, and if it was in beta a bit longer they would have caught the bugs

vocal shard Oct 28, 2020, 6:37 PM

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If they roll it back how the heck are we supposed to reproduce the bugs
by using the beta branch ?

acoustic yew Oct 28, 2020, 6:37 PM

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why would they retroactively change already-uploaded content ffs

languid beacon Oct 28, 2020, 6:38 PM

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It’s closed

regal furnace Oct 28, 2020, 6:38 PM

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nobody is playing beta

charred hornet Oct 28, 2020, 6:38 PM

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no, but this update was in the beta before

regal furnace Oct 28, 2020, 6:38 PM

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thats why most bugs never get caught in beta

normal radish Oct 28, 2020, 6:38 PM

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Not horny js I would fuck gru

charred hornet Oct 28, 2020, 6:38 PM

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and the bugs persisted

languid beacon Oct 28, 2020, 6:38 PM

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Nobody plays the beta

normal radish Oct 28, 2020, 6:38 PM

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it was a birthday present to him

modest iris Oct 28, 2020, 6:38 PM

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they need to make more space for favorites

charred hornet Oct 28, 2020, 6:38 PM

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i actively test the beta solo, i just didn't get to this time because it was less than a week long

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most of the bugs are with more than 1 person

green marsh Oct 28, 2020, 6:39 PM

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bruh

charred hornet Oct 28, 2020, 6:39 PM

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this isn't just about avatars

regal furnace Oct 28, 2020, 6:39 PM

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for as long as the open betas exist, i ran into pretty much only 3 people

languid beacon Oct 28, 2020, 6:39 PM

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No one plays on beta so people don’t find bugs, and the ones who do find bugs don’t report it on canny.

acoustic yew Oct 28, 2020, 6:39 PM

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is there no option to force write defaults on? my animator had it set on but obviously was changed by the update

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we going to be stuck making reset animations for everything now?

charred hornet Oct 28, 2020, 6:41 PM

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and what i was trying to say is that if they beta was open a little bit longer then maybe people would have caught the bugs, instead of rolling out and update where half the time the game doesn't function as intended

languid beacon Oct 28, 2020, 6:41 PM

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we going to be stuck making reset animations for everything now?
@acoustic yew I’m pretty sure it’s going to get fixed I wouldn’t bother trying to patch an avatar just for temporary behavior for one build

acoustic yew Oct 28, 2020, 6:41 PM

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I would hope so, this change seems really unnecessary considering I've never once heard anyone even speak of write defaults before

green marsh Oct 28, 2020, 6:41 PM

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where my crouching animation at tho

languid beacon Oct 28, 2020, 6:41 PM

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More useful is making some reproducible steps if you happen to have the issue on a public avatar

acoustic yew Oct 28, 2020, 6:41 PM

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what was the reasoning behind this, have they said?

languid beacon Oct 28, 2020, 6:42 PM

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what was the reasoning behind this, have they said?
@acoustic yew I mean they did mention something about them really needing a QA tester, does that count?

acoustic yew Oct 28, 2020, 6:43 PM

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no, I'm asking what the reason is for the cahnge? what is forcing WD off supposed to improve and how is it supposed to do that?

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you shouldn't change something, especially retroactively, for no discernible reason with no obvious benefit to the user

languid beacon Oct 28, 2020, 6:43 PM

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I am not sure that it’s a safe assumption that it was intentional

acoustic yew Oct 28, 2020, 6:43 PM

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it definitely was, look at their update notes, they talked about write defaults

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maybe not the retroactive part but still my question stands, why change something without an obvious benefit

charred drum Oct 28, 2020, 6:44 PM

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I can also report that I wasn't able to hear multiple people, all friends

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I don't understand the lack of rollback or lack of an anouncement post

acoustic yew Oct 28, 2020, 6:45 PM

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that's what is seems like to me, really really strange that it would be forced on us

charred drum Oct 28, 2020, 6:45 PM

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Anyway, I'm pinging you again, since it's the only reliable way thus far to get any response.
Aside from 3.0 WD being broken for no good reason (save your "i do that, you have to do that too, now"), you have general stability issues, especially with sync requests sometimes failing and straight up crashing the client, you have moderations that actually don't register voice muting, you have cloning that seems to be stuck to the init value, you have param desync, you have testing avatars being cached. Is that good enought for starters, @covert chasm ? Canny is nice and all, but you have faster comms right here to figure it out anyway with all the reports.

When can we expect to see at least a temporary fix, and should we even bother keeping the WD on states if you're so hellbent on keeping them off for no good reason? Should we just start remaking avatars just because, or will this be actually fixed? When will the rollback happen, as the current build is very unstable?
@jolly plume will remaking the avatars work? Do you mean updating the SDK and reuploading?

covert chasm Oct 28, 2020, 6:46 PM

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WD has nothing to do with the bug we're experiencing. It is a separate issue, from what we're seeing. Again, looking into it. Please don't spam me (or team members) with pings, we're trying to get this figured out and solved for you. Your patience is appreciated. 🙂

normal radish Oct 28, 2020, 6:47 PM

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Good micro-transactions are cancer

charred drum Oct 28, 2020, 6:47 PM

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dumb question, what's WD?

languid beacon Oct 28, 2020, 6:47 PM

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Write defaults it’s an animator layer option

charred drum Oct 28, 2020, 6:48 PM

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ah

covert chasm Oct 28, 2020, 6:48 PM

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I strongly encourage you to post to Canny/Feedback as it allows us to have a static, stable source of information with replication steps that we can easily link to in internal tracking. Linking to random Discord messages isn't really, uh, a thing that we want to do.

regal furnace Oct 28, 2020, 6:48 PM

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my last 2 cannys were ignored though

soft timber Oct 28, 2020, 6:48 PM

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oh right, have people also had issues with cloning public avatars? e.g. having cloning on while wearing a public avatar, but for others it's greyed out until they show/hide you?

regal furnace Oct 28, 2020, 6:48 PM

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and these were pretty bad bugs

covert chasm Oct 28, 2020, 6:48 PM

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I understand. I am giving you a pathway to report these issues in an effective way. If you don't want to do that, I can't offer other solutions to you.

languid beacon Oct 28, 2020, 6:49 PM

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I have a question for you all. So far all of the issues I’m seeing are remote only, that is the avatar looks to be working perfectly for myself I didn’t even know there was an issue until other people say it looks broken. Is that the case for everyone else?

regal furnace Oct 28, 2020, 6:49 PM

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why should i use a way if it gets ignored anyway?

covert chasm Oct 28, 2020, 6:49 PM

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Canny posts are not ignored. We cannot respond to every single Canny posts.

languid beacon Oct 28, 2020, 6:49 PM

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It would be nice if instead of complaining people would describe what they are seeing

charred drum Oct 28, 2020, 6:50 PM

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they're aware of the issues, hounding them won't do much at this point

regal furnace Oct 28, 2020, 6:50 PM

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its not in planned, not reviewing, nothing. it pretty much gets ignored. Both the loading bug when changing worlds and the lagspikes are in this game for over 4 months now, and i havent heared a single statement about fixing it yet. Even my cannies about this are dead

covert chasm Oct 28, 2020, 6:51 PM

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We do not accept bug reports via Discord messages. You must post them as a Feedback/Canny item.

normal radish Oct 28, 2020, 6:51 PM

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@covert chasm Im real jonah

frosty veldt Oct 28, 2020, 6:51 PM

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Why ping a dev just to get mad at him lmao

charred drum Oct 28, 2020, 6:51 PM

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ya

languid beacon Oct 28, 2020, 6:51 PM

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I think you all need to realize that complaining doesn’t help at all people actually describing problems and providing examples of broken content is what helps get things fixed. And the vast majority of you are very unwilling to do that lol

charred drum Oct 28, 2020, 6:51 PM

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I'll file a bug, I do that as part of my day job. But I assume that all the issues we're talking baout are already filed. no?

regal furnace Oct 28, 2020, 6:52 PM

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https://vrchat.canny.io/bug-reports/p/loading-error-on-worlds-and-avatars-randomly
https://vrchat.canny.io/feature-requests/p/increase-avatar-loading-speed-and-performance

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both are on canny, none of them are anywhere yet

charred drum Oct 28, 2020, 6:52 PM

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oh ya, they're known. https://feedback.vrchat.com/bug-reports/p/1004the-players-voice-suddenly-stops-being-heard

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@jolly plume , just go to https://feedback.vrchat.com/ and vote on the issues

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then why are you complaining that you don't know where the issues are?

covert chasm Oct 28, 2020, 6:53 PM

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@regal furnace Although I appreciate those reports (and we've improved avatar loading speed in the last few releases, and will have future improvements coming), at the moment we're triaging and looking into bugs with the latest release.

languid beacon Oct 28, 2020, 6:53 PM

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But I assume that all the issues we're talking baout are already filed. no?
@charred drum everyone assumes that. That’s why official canny bug reports rarely get filed. Everyone assumes someone else must have done it already. There aren’t very many bug reports. Even less ones with example content and reproducible steps.

raw pine Oct 28, 2020, 6:53 PM

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Hope you have a lovely week and day also hope you all are being safe as well vrcLove vrcLike Same to you Tupper

regal furnace Oct 28, 2020, 6:53 PM

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only problem is these bugs are in the game for 4 months now

languid beacon Oct 28, 2020, 6:54 PM

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It doesn’t matter how long a bug is in a game if it’s not reported on canny lol

regal furnace Oct 28, 2020, 6:54 PM

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im grateful for your efforts in this game, dont get me wrong, but it really feels like we get ignored sometimes

charred hornet Oct 28, 2020, 6:54 PM

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all these bugs are on the canny and have so far been ignored

languid beacon Oct 28, 2020, 6:55 PM

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I don’t know I see quite a number of them marked as fixed

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Unless you mean the ones not marked as fixed aren’t fixed in which case yes that’s true

covert chasm Oct 28, 2020, 6:56 PM

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@regal furnace Some issues have higher priorities, and as I noted in my previous message, the second one has been addressed with this release and some previous releases-- the first I've seen rarely, but haven't ever seen reliable replication steps. Either way. VRChat has a good number of bugs (ha) that we're working on, and triage is part of the game

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Reporting is useful but it does not guarantee immediate, decisive, effective attention

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It does, however, give us useful information

frosty veldt Oct 28, 2020, 6:56 PM

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Some issues arn't as important as others, just because a bug doesn't get the dev thumbs of approval doesn't mean they haven't seen it

regal furnace Oct 28, 2020, 6:56 PM

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when i encounter them again, i just record them. Only problem is they are random

covert chasm Oct 28, 2020, 6:57 PM

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And is certainly far more useful than "game broke" spoken in a Discord channel that disappears into chaos after a few hours 🙂

celest flower Oct 28, 2020, 6:57 PM

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please fix the viewpoint issue

languid beacon Oct 28, 2020, 6:57 PM

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I’m typing up reports steps but I can guarantee you it’s probably not going to show up on someone else’s VR setup. I can already see my repro steps aren’t working for other users who clone my avatar

sly veldt Oct 28, 2020, 6:57 PM

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Guaranteed when stuff is broken and it's a big deal the team is aware and working on it. Things rank in priority order.

celest flower Oct 28, 2020, 6:57 PM

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please fix the problem with the viewpoint

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everytime i crouch the viewpoint teleports instead of moving up and down

regal furnace Oct 28, 2020, 6:58 PM

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17 hours isnt a lot of time honestly

celest flower Oct 28, 2020, 6:58 PM

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fix crouching

regal furnace Oct 28, 2020, 6:58 PM

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@celest flower why is it such a big deal? its been like this since the release of the crouching

sly veldt Oct 28, 2020, 6:58 PM

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Thanks @jolly plume

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We'll get right on that

celest flower Oct 28, 2020, 6:59 PM

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ever since the avatar 3.0 update the viewpoint would move up and down when you crouch

charred drum Oct 28, 2020, 6:59 PM

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@celest flower https://feedback.vrchat.com/bug-reports?search=crouch

celest flower Oct 28, 2020, 6:59 PM

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the viewpoint teleporting instead of going up and down bothers me for an unknown reason

languid beacon Oct 28, 2020, 6:59 PM

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OK harry you got your answer you can be quiet now lmao

boreal plaza Oct 28, 2020, 7:00 PM

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I like how persistant harry is

charred drum Oct 28, 2020, 7:00 PM

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you got one

sly veldt Oct 28, 2020, 7:00 PM

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No. VRChat is turning off in an hour and never progressing

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@jolly plume lol

languid beacon Oct 28, 2020, 7:01 PM

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please pin that

regal furnace Oct 28, 2020, 7:01 PM

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RIP VRchat 2014 - 2020

charred hornet Oct 28, 2020, 7:01 PM

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again, a public statement is a lot better than a random message that gets flooded, its all we wanted

spare steeple Oct 28, 2020, 7:01 PM

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how do i become a trusted user i just want to upload my avatar

charred drum Oct 28, 2020, 7:01 PM

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how do i become a trusted user i just want to upload my avatar
@spare steeple you don't need to be trusted to upload your avatar

regal furnace Oct 28, 2020, 7:01 PM

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you dont need trusted to upload

broken plover Oct 28, 2020, 7:01 PM

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you only need new user to upload

celest flower Oct 28, 2020, 7:01 PM

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vrchat is broken

spare steeple Oct 28, 2020, 7:01 PM

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i mean new user

vocal shard Oct 28, 2020, 7:01 PM

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vrchat is gone 🦀

charred drum Oct 28, 2020, 7:01 PM

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get new user by friends, visiting worlds, hours. it's pretty quick

covert chasm Oct 28, 2020, 7:01 PM

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@charred hornet #vrchat-general-2 message

proper cipher Oct 28, 2020, 7:01 PM

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I think vr chat just a bit buggy

covert chasm Oct 28, 2020, 7:02 PM

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Then again a Discord-posted "public statement" is about as useful as a Discord-posted bug report 😉

charred hornet Oct 28, 2020, 7:02 PM

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well yes of course

covert chasm Oct 28, 2020, 7:02 PM

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Jokes aside, we're aware and are working on things

proper cipher Oct 28, 2020, 7:02 PM

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It needs update

charred hornet Oct 28, 2020, 7:02 PM

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but surely it tones down the flood of spam you get in the discord?

proper cipher Oct 28, 2020, 7:02 PM

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To fix bugs

spare steeple Oct 28, 2020, 7:02 PM

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how many hours do you need for new user?

regal furnace Oct 28, 2020, 7:02 PM

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around 20 usually

broken plover Oct 28, 2020, 7:02 PM

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also when are the vive controls finally being fixed? They've been bugged since the release of avatars 3.0. I also upvoted some canny's and even made my own because I heard that aparently you guys only respond to cannys posted after updates just to be sure and not one of them has atleast been marked as under review or something :/

storm pilot Oct 28, 2020, 7:03 PM

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several people are typing

spare steeple Oct 28, 2020, 7:03 PM

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what if you played for a while and only just merged a vrchat account with steam tho

languid beacon Oct 28, 2020, 7:03 PM

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@spare steeple It’s more about if Santa thinks you’re naughty or nice. Play and don’t get muted or blocked reported votekicked etc.

proper cipher Oct 28, 2020, 7:03 PM

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Lol

spare steeple Oct 28, 2020, 7:03 PM

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ah kk

charred drum Oct 28, 2020, 7:03 PM

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if the devs aren't able to reproduce the mute-bug, I can log into a test world or something, and get a friend to do it, as we were experiencing it

karmic rose Oct 28, 2020, 7:04 PM

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Yall are entitled af. Rather than ignoring Tup and complaining non stop here, do something useful, go to Canny, and make a post if you are having an issue that isn't already documented. everyone is quick to go "FIX IT" but hardly anyone is willing to go to Canny and actually make a proper bug report.

charred hornet Oct 28, 2020, 7:04 PM

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there have been canny posts

sly veldt Oct 28, 2020, 7:04 PM

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@broken plover I read the canny multiple times a week. I don't always respond to them but they get logged into a hopper for sorting. Then production, design, etc. depending on priority, scope, resources, dependencies, etc.

charred hornet Oct 28, 2020, 7:04 PM

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its just waiting

regal furnace Oct 28, 2020, 7:05 PM

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i already made 2 posts, im trying to get steamvr up (buggy piece of sh*t) and try to reproduce these bugs and record them

sly veldt Oct 28, 2020, 7:05 PM

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Recording and info is always super helpful

covert chasm Oct 28, 2020, 7:05 PM

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ever since the avatar 3.0 update the viewpoint would move up and down when you crouch
@celest flower I just confirmed that change is intentional. "Instant change" viewpoint was the previous pre-avatars-3.0 behavior, people wanted that back and reported it as a bug, so it got changed back. It didn't make it into the notes, though.

sly veldt Oct 28, 2020, 7:05 PM

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the more info to repro the better

regal furnace Oct 28, 2020, 7:06 PM

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because its not game breaking?

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you can still hop on and talk to others, what stops you from it?

obtuse vine Oct 28, 2020, 7:06 PM

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Except you can't talk cause that's one of the bugs?

languid beacon Oct 28, 2020, 7:06 PM

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That’s not part of the bugs

vocal shard Oct 28, 2020, 7:07 PM

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@harrydec wait a minute you're the guy from Jameski's videos

ruby needle Oct 28, 2020, 7:07 PM

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It wasn't even just a single beta patch and quick merge, the beta been running a bit longer and even had iterattions

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Oh and... you're still playing a early access in dev game in general

charred drum Oct 28, 2020, 7:07 PM

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https://feedback.vrchat.com/bug-reports/p/1004the-players-voice-suddenly-stops-being-heard

[1004]The player's voice suddenly stops being heard.

We'll suddenly stop hearing some players' voices that we're in any instance of the world after just join. (I guess I think of PlayerAudioOverride has problem)
We has been confirmed that to be able repaired this problem by the person of talking side will be restarting or changing theirs avatar.
but in some case still has problem after try that's procedure.

Add details on this one. It's the worst bug I'm aware of since the update

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since they said info to reproduce will help

covert chasm Oct 28, 2020, 7:07 PM

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We are actively working on fixes and plan on releasing a patch with fixes. Rolling back will complicate matters, will be essentially unnecessary work, and there are no present game-is-exploding-and-nobody-can-log-in issues, which is essentially the only thing we roll back for.

The voice bug is definitely major and is the primary issue we're working on currently (and from what I'm reading, looks like we're close to a solution)

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in short, a roll-back will not be occuring

charred hornet Oct 28, 2020, 7:07 PM

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yes early access, which is why its important that these bugs are known and fixed

ruby needle Oct 28, 2020, 7:08 PM

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@jolly plume except the game isn't unplayable

paper compass Oct 28, 2020, 7:08 PM

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is the website broken or is it only me?

sly veldt Oct 28, 2020, 7:08 PM

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Oh @jolly plume why haven't we hired you yet to be our lead coder and run the company sigh

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Everything would be perfect then

midnight dove Oct 28, 2020, 7:08 PM

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anyone that can help me with texxtures in blender pls dm me

charred hornet Oct 28, 2020, 7:09 PM

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hes just asking why it isn't a possibility?

random yew Oct 28, 2020, 7:09 PM

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Lol

umbral reef Oct 28, 2020, 7:09 PM

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TBH he would press systems 'do not press' button ron 👀

vocal shard Oct 28, 2020, 7:09 PM

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yeah ron. why don't you hire him
he obviously knows everything

regal furnace Oct 28, 2020, 7:09 PM

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he is asking this for 8 hours now

languid beacon Oct 28, 2020, 7:09 PM

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I just realize there are two Harry’s. Maybe that’s why I am so unreasonably aggravated I thought they were both the same person being twice as annoying

vocal shard Oct 28, 2020, 7:09 PM

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put him in charge of the "roll back everything" button

charred hornet Oct 28, 2020, 7:09 PM

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sorry that harry is a common name, ill be sure to change it

regal furnace Oct 28, 2020, 7:09 PM

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asking for a rollback doesnt fix it either

sly veldt Oct 28, 2020, 7:10 PM

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Neither does being annoying fix anything

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lol

charred drum Oct 28, 2020, 7:10 PM

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@sly veldt
Go ahead, I'm available for hire, actually. But being sarcastic doesn't fix your game here.
@jolly plume repeatedly adding nothing to the conversation doesn't get it fixed either

midnight dove Oct 28, 2020, 7:10 PM

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lol can i get some help in blender

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pls

peak ermine Oct 28, 2020, 7:10 PM

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no

vocal shard Oct 28, 2020, 7:10 PM

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wait what ? I thought that's why we complained, so they can fix it faster

midnight dove Oct 28, 2020, 7:10 PM

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vrcCrying big sad

karmic rose Oct 28, 2020, 7:10 PM

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People be holding a gun to VRC's head like it owes them something, like it's not a free game, like they can't just go outside for a day while things get worked on and a patch is made.

vocal shard Oct 28, 2020, 7:10 PM

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I'm disappointed

wary hollow Oct 28, 2020, 7:10 PM

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update broke anim sync

boreal plaza Oct 28, 2020, 7:10 PM

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Well if people wouldnt be annoying and upset, the problems would surely tame way longer to reach the devs ears

languid beacon Oct 28, 2020, 7:10 PM

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Lmao harry

sly veldt Oct 28, 2020, 7:10 PM

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Yeah, I don't do anything at VRChat but hang out in discord and wind up the trolls

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The fixes can wait

charred drum Oct 28, 2020, 7:11 PM

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lol can i get some help in blender
@midnight dove try in #avatar-help

midnight dove Oct 28, 2020, 7:11 PM

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k thx

charred drum Oct 28, 2020, 7:11 PM

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or join the Blender discord

regal furnace Oct 28, 2020, 7:11 PM

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if they work, you get ignored --> you get mad; if they respond to you --> no work done --> you get mad

sly veldt Oct 28, 2020, 7:11 PM

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Sometimes I eat lunch and surf the web too

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tum tee tum

charred hornet Oct 28, 2020, 7:11 PM

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woah

acoustic yew Oct 28, 2020, 7:11 PM

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anyone else having audio that doesn't play properly locally but is fine on remote clients after the update?

wary hollow Oct 28, 2020, 7:11 PM

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people cant see your anim no matter what

obtuse vine Oct 28, 2020, 7:11 PM

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@midnight dove no try on #3d-modeling or #avatar-rigging depending on what you're trying to do

sly veldt Oct 28, 2020, 7:11 PM

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troll messages for breakfast

wary hollow Oct 28, 2020, 7:11 PM

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only u

sly veldt Oct 28, 2020, 7:11 PM

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side of banned user for lunch

umbral reef Oct 28, 2020, 7:12 PM

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Wait so your saying you dont program literally everything yourself Ron?
Damn twitter lied to me again it seems

sly veldt Oct 28, 2020, 7:12 PM

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If prepared properly in my UFO

pale swan Oct 28, 2020, 7:12 PM

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👀

charred hornet Oct 28, 2020, 7:12 PM

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anyway yea, now that something has been said, Ill wait a little bit, just for the team 😉

regal furnace Oct 28, 2020, 7:12 PM

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i smell ban hammer coming close 👀

storm pilot Oct 28, 2020, 7:12 PM

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Wait Ron codes everything?

sly veldt Oct 28, 2020, 7:12 PM

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I got to the end already

midnight dove Oct 28, 2020, 7:12 PM

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@obtuse vine just a simple texture not loading when i import avatar thingy

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i just dont know how to fix it

covert chasm Oct 28, 2020, 7:13 PM

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people think ron, vrpill, and myself program all of vrchat, and uh-- not to speak badly of the other's technical capabilities but at the very least i am NOT someone you'd want doing that

little rampart Oct 28, 2020, 7:13 PM

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this is, rather amusing

covert chasm Oct 28, 2020, 7:13 PM

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I know R, a bit of python, that's about it

regal furnace Oct 28, 2020, 7:13 PM

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i know java and thats it

storm pilot Oct 28, 2020, 7:13 PM

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What tupper this is a betrayal

covert chasm Oct 28, 2020, 7:13 PM

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if anything, people thinking we're the ones writing code means we're doing our job of "make sure the actual people writing code don't get harassed" properly

frosty veldt Oct 28, 2020, 7:13 PM

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I cant believe Tupper isnt the lead programmer 😔

regal furnace Oct 28, 2020, 7:14 PM

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never has been

raw pine Oct 28, 2020, 7:14 PM

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oof

covert chasm Oct 28, 2020, 7:14 PM

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oh i also know a bit of node/typescript but concurrency/promises confuses me

light acorn Oct 28, 2020, 7:14 PM

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What is each of the team members jobs?

little rampart Oct 28, 2020, 7:14 PM

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2 years ago or so i met one of the programmers you have, a pretty chill dude

lone scroll Oct 28, 2020, 7:14 PM

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honestly

vocal shard Oct 28, 2020, 7:14 PM

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he is actually
he is trying to barter his way out so people can stop pinging him every single update when something is broken

regal furnace Oct 28, 2020, 7:14 PM

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tupper is community manager afaik

lone scroll Oct 28, 2020, 7:14 PM

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Tupper and Ron you guys just writing anything in here is more than enough to avoid all the drama

umbral reef Oct 28, 2020, 7:15 PM

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Please Tupper
We all know you programmed most of the humanoid AI's that run around in the game.
You cant tell that all those poeple sitting infront of a mirror are all human 👀

vocal shard Oct 28, 2020, 7:15 PM

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nah, tupper made the game himself
that's why everyone always ping him when something is broken

lone scroll Oct 28, 2020, 7:15 PM

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literally any dev writing "guys were on it dw" goes a long for for us

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even if you arent doing anything just lie, but communicate :c

covert chasm Oct 28, 2020, 7:15 PM

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i'm having some tea since i haven't had breakfast/lunch yet, i think ron is having lunch, people who can actually fix issues have been at it since last night

lone scroll Oct 28, 2020, 7:15 PM

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rons post are hilarious, more like that

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then say so, even if you have to stop working on sth for 5m, take a break at any time and just write in here "guys were on it"

charred drum Oct 28, 2020, 7:16 PM

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they did

boreal plaza Oct 28, 2020, 7:16 PM

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A bit more communication would have helped a lot. Since.... Years

lone scroll Oct 28, 2020, 7:16 PM

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I dont think thats to much to ask of a dev team in 2020, and not doing so just makes everything worse

charred drum Oct 28, 2020, 7:16 PM

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I came for info and have stayed for the drama

lone scroll Oct 28, 2020, 7:16 PM

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i know they did and I was glad they did

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again just seeing rons replies is perfect, good shit

charred drum Oct 28, 2020, 7:16 PM

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a ping in Announcements would be good though

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as that's how I learned of the update

covert chasm Oct 28, 2020, 7:16 PM

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#vrchat-general-2 message dead

lone scroll Oct 28, 2020, 7:16 PM

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yeah even better, i know it sucks if youre very busy fixing shit, but give yourself 5m and just one sentence in here to calm everyone down and make yourself look more down to earth

covert chasm Oct 28, 2020, 7:17 PM

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We did, but uh.. as I stated regarding bugs, messages in Discord get lost, fast 😛

lone scroll Oct 28, 2020, 7:17 PM

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yeah but not 17 hours later also let us use custom emojis too :whenlifegetsatyou: :c

little rampart Oct 28, 2020, 7:17 PM

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thats because of discord nitro

lone scroll Oct 28, 2020, 7:17 PM

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no they dont allow custom emojis in here sadly xD

little rampart Oct 28, 2020, 7:17 PM

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and an emoji from other server

frosty veldt Oct 28, 2020, 7:17 PM

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Should just @ everyone in #announcements with a "😔"

sly veldt Oct 28, 2020, 7:18 PM

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Discord needs a banner at the top of the chat for the server owner to pin important stuff

charred drum Oct 28, 2020, 7:18 PM

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ye

lone scroll Oct 28, 2020, 7:18 PM

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If I apply as any of the open positions and get hired, can I use custom emojis? :hmm:

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what ron said

sly veldt Oct 28, 2020, 7:18 PM

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pins aren't that great

frosty veldt Oct 28, 2020, 7:18 PM

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Like people check pins LMAO

sly veldt Oct 28, 2020, 7:18 PM

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not that visibile

covert chasm Oct 28, 2020, 7:18 PM

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People don't read pins

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ever

lone scroll Oct 28, 2020, 7:18 PM

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i mean discord has that, change the "General VRChat conversation" at the top to something like "were on it guys"

broken plover Oct 28, 2020, 7:18 PM

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pins need to be more obvious. A banner would really be great

sly veldt Oct 28, 2020, 7:18 PM

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yeah, exactly

meager rose Oct 28, 2020, 7:18 PM

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If only people looked at pins

little rampart Oct 28, 2020, 7:18 PM

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yeah, discord pins are not comfortable as they are

lone scroll Oct 28, 2020, 7:18 PM

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pins suck yeah

little rampart Oct 28, 2020, 7:18 PM

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in the servers i have managed i had to constantly remind people of reading the pins

boreal plaza Oct 28, 2020, 7:19 PM

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i dont get what is so damn hard to do a simple announce that you are aware of the issues from the latest patch and that it's being worked on? now that devs, community managers and what not are all here. jeez

sly veldt Oct 28, 2020, 7:19 PM

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If only people that thought being rude and annoying would get them what they want

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lol

frosty veldt Oct 28, 2020, 7:19 PM

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Well anyone here complaining now knows that they are working on it, so just some "word of mouth" magic going

regal furnace Oct 28, 2020, 7:19 PM

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for everytime asking if the update can be rolled back, it delays for 1 hour

raw pine Oct 28, 2020, 7:19 PM

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The Vrchat team should be re-named to Vrchat legends
Change my mind

karmic rose Oct 28, 2020, 7:20 PM

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The passive aggressiveness in here is.... somethin.

little rampart Oct 28, 2020, 7:20 PM

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harry, you can say the same things without being rude XD

sly veldt Oct 28, 2020, 7:20 PM

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What's the mainline? sounds like a train track

charred drum Oct 28, 2020, 7:20 PM

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harry just learned basic source control terminology and is looking to flex

sly veldt Oct 28, 2020, 7:20 PM

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haha I can tell

raw pine Oct 28, 2020, 7:20 PM

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lol

lone scroll Oct 28, 2020, 7:20 PM

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guys chill

languid beacon Oct 28, 2020, 7:21 PM

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I kept trying to convince discord to make a pinned message appear just above chat bar

storm pilot Oct 28, 2020, 7:21 PM

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Ron the main line is that place in one piece that all the pirates go to

sly veldt Oct 28, 2020, 7:22 PM

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ok, have fun everyone. Fixes are in progress. Imma go fix the mainline for Harry

little rampart Oct 28, 2020, 7:22 PM

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XD

lone scroll Oct 28, 2020, 7:22 PM

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can you fix my hairline

little rampart Oct 28, 2020, 7:22 PM

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what a madlad

regal furnace Oct 28, 2020, 7:22 PM

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can you fix my social anxiety?

karmic rose Oct 28, 2020, 7:22 PM

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I expect constant, minute by minute updates and apologies while you're at it Ron.

sharp rose Oct 28, 2020, 7:22 PM

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I hear "mainline" and immediately think of narcotics. 🤔

raw pine Oct 28, 2020, 7:22 PM

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vrcThinking

regal furnace Oct 28, 2020, 7:23 PM

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:thonk:

charred drum Oct 28, 2020, 7:23 PM

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they're trying to get us to change "master branch" at work to "mainline"

meager rose Oct 28, 2020, 7:23 PM

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The only thing that comes to mind for me is a song called "Exile on the Mainline"

regal furnace Oct 28, 2020, 7:23 PM

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im sure is main branch and not mainline

lone scroll Oct 28, 2020, 7:23 PM

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youre sure

storm pilot Oct 28, 2020, 7:24 PM

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I’m sure different groups use different standards

regal furnace Oct 28, 2020, 7:24 PM

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well, for me it stays masterbranch anyway

sharp rose Oct 28, 2020, 7:24 PM

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Petition to rename master branch to master sword

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stab ur code

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Too late, already renamed everything ⚔️

regal furnace Oct 28, 2020, 7:25 PM

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i wonder what my FBI agent think of me when i try to code with fork-join

kindred lake Oct 28, 2020, 7:25 PM

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why my crouching goes brrrr

storm pilot Oct 28, 2020, 7:25 PM

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Hark

regal furnace Oct 28, 2020, 7:25 PM

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"how to kill a child with fork"

storm pilot Oct 28, 2020, 7:25 PM

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@kindred lake search for crouch in any channel

charred drum Oct 28, 2020, 7:25 PM

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branches are for developers who have already committed themselves to writing bugs

lone scroll Oct 28, 2020, 7:25 PM

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funny dev joke haha

gritty arch Oct 28, 2020, 7:26 PM

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@kindred lake vrpill

kindred lake Oct 28, 2020, 7:26 PM

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:c but but it looked much more smoother

regal furnace Oct 28, 2020, 7:26 PM

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i like the teleport crouch more tbh

oblique flicker Oct 28, 2020, 7:26 PM

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@kindred lake It was reverted because people wanted it like that

kindred lake Oct 28, 2020, 7:26 PM

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who are these people

oblique flicker Oct 28, 2020, 7:26 PM

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I am not sure but search up what tupper said

regal furnace Oct 28, 2020, 7:26 PM

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everyone before the AV3 update

kindred lake Oct 28, 2020, 7:26 PM

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giv me their discord number we hav smth to settle

sharp rose Oct 28, 2020, 7:27 PM

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If BoTW has taught me anything, it's that you can find branches lying around literally everywhere.

kindred lake Oct 28, 2020, 7:27 PM

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what about a setting for movement ._.

regal furnace Oct 28, 2020, 7:27 PM

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if genshin taught me anything, its that flowers are pretty useless

sharp rose Oct 28, 2020, 7:27 PM

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Here's the thing, I don't touch code at all. Like ever. Because...well, because.

lone scroll Oct 28, 2020, 7:28 PM

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anyway this was a lot of fun in here im going to go play some facebook horizons

regal furnace Oct 28, 2020, 7:28 PM

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eww, facebook horizon. RecRoom fake

broken plover Oct 28, 2020, 7:28 PM

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recroom for facebook moms

languid beacon Oct 28, 2020, 7:29 PM

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It’s got a Wii sports vibe to it

regal furnace Oct 28, 2020, 7:29 PM

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40 year old flat earth moms

sharp rose Oct 28, 2020, 7:29 PM

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Your mom is...a...uh, mom.

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...that didnt really work

kindred lake Oct 28, 2020, 7:29 PM

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Is the beachball emoji back?

lone scroll Oct 28, 2020, 7:29 PM

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my mom is your dad

hallow trellis Oct 28, 2020, 7:29 PM

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it would be realy cool if the added a safe avatar option

languid beacon Oct 28, 2020, 7:29 PM

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Is the beachball emoji back?
@kindred lake why did no one mention this to the Devs this is worth rolling back clearly

kindred lake Oct 28, 2020, 7:29 PM

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c.c still not there now I am mad

regal furnace Oct 28, 2020, 7:29 PM

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put it on your avatar yourself

kindred lake Oct 28, 2020, 7:30 PM

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No, u don't understand I need it in my default emoji v.v

sharp rose Oct 28, 2020, 7:30 PM

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play wha

karmic rose Oct 28, 2020, 7:30 PM

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Game broken. Rollback to November of last year. No beach ball emoji is GAME BREAKING

sharp rose Oct 28, 2020, 7:31 PM

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I'm old and out of touch, I play minesweeper.

sage pond Oct 28, 2020, 7:31 PM

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hahahahha

regal furnace Oct 28, 2020, 7:31 PM

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competetive minesweeper?

raw pine Oct 28, 2020, 7:31 PM

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legend

sharp rose Oct 28, 2020, 7:31 PM

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extreme minesweeper

ember tiger Oct 28, 2020, 7:31 PM

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robo

raw pine Oct 28, 2020, 7:31 PM

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👀

ember tiger Oct 28, 2020, 7:31 PM

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joe?

regal furnace Oct 28, 2020, 7:31 PM

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Minesweeper 2: Electric Boogaloo

sharp rose Oct 28, 2020, 7:31 PM

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It's like regular minesweeper but I do a shot every time I hit a mine.

karmic rose Oct 28, 2020, 7:32 PM

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I wouldn't get to take any shots if I did that 😦

regal furnace Oct 28, 2020, 7:32 PM

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i play minesweeper outside on the neighbouring field

frosty veldt Oct 28, 2020, 7:32 PM

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Pro gamer 😎

karmic rose Oct 28, 2020, 7:32 PM

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Minesweeper, Afghanistan style

raw pine Oct 28, 2020, 7:32 PM

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extreme minesweeper. My god, you mad lad

sharp rose Oct 28, 2020, 7:32 PM

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Do I what