#vrchat-general-2
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ahh alright
im using the oculus one right now
they still haven't fixed the cashe clearing button???
@wintry warrenLast time i did it the whole local low vrchat folder and registry settings (Basically what the manual guide specified at that time.), but last time i did that is ages ago, hency why i noted no guarantee if that happens. 
Tho, the settings (at least not all) can not be stored in the game install path, i use both steam and the native oculus home version and they both sync with each other so they use a different common place.
guess I can't do vrchat until the cache clearing button is fixed because everytime an avatar loads or loading into a world I lag more and more as it grows.
You can always manually clear. (the thing we're just talking about now
)
anyone else having issues rn with vrc avatars loading random crashes that actually eem out of norm
Here you find info on how to clear. https://help.vrchat.com/kb/article/17-i-crashedcant-launch-vrchatother-issues/
tried couldn't figure it out
i have traumatic brain injury, i have trouble doing things with technology unless walked through step by step by a person.
any idea when it will be fixed?
The guide is doing that quite well tho 
sadly not for me, i can't follow a guide step by step, i need voice
Im not available for a call, but can personally tell you what to do and give you some images as a reassuring 
If that would help you.
can try
is anybody else having problems logging in to vrchat?
.
I saw it ;3
🤔
how realistic ya mean?
Imaging what VRChat would be like if Udon was added to avatars.
actually nevermind dont that would probably destroy your brain with how chaotic that would be
You could make a live drum kit that you actually play
Or other instuments
that's all I can think of
is there a fix to the vrc problem yet??
I havent been able to get on since last night and like, I really really was looking forward to today
Still looping :<
yeah
this sucks, was drinking night and I couldn't get on yesterday, I just need some way to get in 😠
it seems like whenever they try to update something, they just break more stuff in the process
Have you tried google? 
The surround knocking sound is such a common meme that it should be easy to find. 
i cant load maps still this is annoying
same
i have to restart everytime
I cant even get in mate
@haughty timber
hello, please do not call out users here.
Insatead, please submit a moderation ticket at https://help.vrchat.com/new
Include a detailed description and proof. 
Hi
yo
Does anybody know good server to hang on?
The surround knocking sound is such a common meme that it should be easy to find. :cirComfy:
@ruby needle i can't find 1
Unless this isn't the one you are looking for, it's super quick 
https://www.myinstants.com/instant/crazy-realistic-knocking-sound/
ok although I clear my cache doing it manually made me have to redo my settings in game, so I will not clear it manually again. Hopefully the in game button gets fixed asap.
Yeah, that happens if you do the full clear. So i was right earlier. 
i can't download it ;-;

Oh so others are having the cache clear issue too?
i gotts say
'Tis weird
this new lobby limit is really fuckin social interactions
why the fuck would you add a limit to private lobbies
some of us actually have a decent amount of friends
oh is there a limit now? how many?
it's twice the listed limit
so if the world is 12 limit then you can get to 24 before it force kicks people into a different instance
it's so fucking dumb we can't have big parties anymore
good job vrchat
lmao just join a world with a bigger limit
are u an idiot
use your brain
so my question as to when will the in game cache button will be fixed, i'm still waiting for an answer?
Ecksplisit: waaaaaah I can't join past the listed limit I'm a retard waaaaah
lmao fucking sheep. get lost
imagine crying when a bug gets fixed instead of doing something like creating your own map LUL
Can we... calm down on both ends please. 
There is no reason to insult anyone over something like that. 
I was an asshole because he was aggressively angry and just being pissed over a dumb reason, I agree with being civil though my bad
answered in a joking way first then he insulted me and I just stooped down
For the original "issue" tho, twice the soft cap is how i always remembered it beeing. 
Fairly certain that's always been the case, we only just started showing what the hard cap was 
Portals would disappear at the softcap iirc and people would have to get in past soft-cap by joining through social menu
I found a solution! Nobody was helping me so here yall go:
In your windows search bar, type in "%appdata%" and go to "LocalLow", then press v and VRChat should popp up somewhere near the top and delete that folder and relaunch game
you wanna go to %AppData%\..\LocalLow\VRChat that drops you off in the right place 
can someone trying to fix vrchat DM me please
yes
Can also probably one-line that into like del /f/q/s %appdata%\..\LocalLow\VRChat
And just run it in the Win+R window
Though I'm not on Windows atm so that has like a 40% chance of being invalid syntax
does windows just let you straight-up rmdir a non-empty directory?
only with params i think
i'm sad, hate lagging due to cache
del is more for files then directories
😫
yeah i can’t clear my cache either, slow game now :(
sad girl hour right here
Ah, need to add cmd /c before running commands through run window apparently ¯_(ツ)_/¯
windows weird
the sad part is if I had a better pc the cache could be high and i'd be fine
world download speeds slow for anyone else?
atleast you download worlds i just idle in loading screens swapping between my home world and vrchat default world
ya x-x
yes 4x slower for me even on fiber and then gets stuck at loading for an hour have to force close.
map download progress % is shown wrong. Stuck at 100%. crash on instance join. crash in the middle of instance
hi
@vocal shard try deleting the cache folder in C:\users\YOURUSERNAMEHERE\appdata\locallow\VRChat
Delete the entire VRChat folder
then re-launch vrchat see if it fixes the issue
%AppData%\..\LocalLow\VRChat
vrc devs, can we just use more than 1 core of our cpu power to run the game, like let me use my ryzrn 7 2700x
anyone else have the bug where when you have your menu open people's voices get choppy?
clearing cache didn't fix it, same problems
@glass spade the game has never been limited to just one core. That's an old misconception
also wouldn't it be Unity's fault anyways?
Yeah
And most games still don't utilize more than 4 cores, but I think the current version of unity that we use... While multi core and threaded, still is optimized better on newer versions of unity. Which we'll likely upgrade to later
is there a way to revert fbt calibration back to how it used to be b4 the update
In your steam launch options, put --legacy-fbt-calibrate
Is anyone else on wmr using a custom controller binding not able to jump? I can use the default binding which allows me to jump with touchpad up but my community blinding no longer allows me to jump even though touchpad up is just reassigned to right menu button.
tyvm
Vrchat just had an update that allows you to customize the controller bindings in game. I think for the vive controllers though (which wmr runs off of) it currently only works with default
They might need to remake some of those community bindings
To account for the update
Hm ok, thanks.
vrcprefabs mfs be like "lets make an admin prefab that'll ban people from our worlds we create" bruhbruhbruhbruhbruh
you shouldnt have power over private instances youre not in sir
while i get that I mean they did make the world so I wouldnt see why they wouldnt have control of over who can go into them
just because you made the world doesnt mean you should be able to completely ban them from private instances or instances youre not even in
one wrong step and you're perma banned from a world your friends are always in because the prefabs group cant take the slightest amount of criticism or have any sense of humor
dang, thats a yikes
world creators are trying to become admins of the game, so they can fuck off straight out
you put premade assets and polygons together, not manage a community.
i tend to not like the content creators because they cant handle any criticism at all or theyre super stuck up
and everytime im around them it just proves it more.
considering its all free, i dont exactly care how they act
well sometimes ya still just gotta think 'is this how these people are irl' even if it is just a game.
people be really gettin all egotistical over polygons on a video game thinking they control the world
say stupid shit, get criticized
I know that anything I make will be garbage. Easy to accept. Just cause ya make a model doesn't mean ya can make a game. :y
cause you can make a world nobody goes to doesnt mean you should be an admin because you dont like someone
vrcprefab crowd needs a vibecheck
anyone had cache problems? I cant clear it :/
@vocal shard have to manually clear it, directions in #announcements this post https://discordapp.com/channels/189511567539306508/336764577301659649/749068233390293142
Has anyone had any experiences with this PSU? Why in the world are the ratings so horrible? Are they fake reviews by the competitors or it's a known failed line? The reviews can only be seen this bad on Amazon, not anywhere else too
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00K7L0YL2/?tag=tchsptpf-green-20
have you tried looking on newegg? they are a computer/tech selling company, they might have some more reliable reviews. idk for sure though
I dont mind dropping a few hundred more for a platinium EVGA that surely wouldn't go wrong. But this thing is cheap as heck.
Seasonic makes good power supplies
@broken plover I'd expect the coolermaster rebranded seasonics to be great, but the reviews are throwing me off 😦
@still basin Can't find reviews on newegg, https://www.amazon.com/product-reviews/B00K7L0YL2/ref=acr_dp_hist_1?ie=UTF8&filterByStar=one_star&reviewerType=all_reviews#reviews-filter-bar are the bad ones which make up for almost half
hi
hewo
i dont know anything and i cant understand what to do
Hello my nibbers!
Hello
Yo
i am unable to clear the cache, anybody else experiencing this?
you gotta do it manually
servers have been weird all night
anyone having sever issues right now?
its back
Can i add some friends here cuz i need to get out of the visitor rank :(
@ruby spoke what changed? why do i need to do it manually now? if its going to be manual they should really remove the clear button...
ugh
i was about to synlink my cache folder to another drive too.......
hopefully they fix/implement it fast, i do not have enough space on my C drive and manually clearing it is going to be super annoying to do
Anyone get stuck like this?
@halcyon yew yes
yeah and it keeps kicking me
cloudflare go brrr? Might be that
cloudflare seems fine, actually
nothing out of the ordinary
just regular cloudflare :^)
Feelscloudflare man :')
well cloudflare does state there are issues going on currently if you look on their status website.
Update - Cloudflare is investigating an increased level of HTTP 5xx class errors.
Cloudflare has rerouted most servers with issues and should be getting them back up soon
cloudflare go brrrrrr
More of a backbone isp thing, not really Cloudflare's fault there
Seems like Level 3's issues specifically for IPv4 traffic. Wack.
reddit is down for me too
still works for me 🤔
same
Can some Mod tell me why votekicks are disabled and when they will be turned on?
disabled ?
@vocal shard they are not disabled
I mean they are in the game but they don't do anything
Pretty sure they do but they require people to vote yes to the kick for it to go through. Too many people abstaining or voting no will cause it to do nothing.
I was in a lobby and I'm certain more than half votes yes
I haven't seen anyone been kicked by vote-kick in the last few months
i have
same
did vrchat go out again?
Global internet having issues due to Level 3 having some routing issues.
Cisco's Global Outage tracker is down XD The Irony
bruh
Hello!
tbh this is getting ridiculous
And it's a bad time for a global outage to be happening x-x
ok
Well, and it is totally weird - internet works, but Discord is going on and off all the time... Now when I click #vrchat-general-1 , it won't even load! And matrix.org server is acting up too... I am out of working chat platforms!!! 😡
servers back up
i just said that there is a global outage, so obviously, discord wont work either
nvm. I got a positive connection and got excited. It died almost immediately and connections are failing again.
i knew it was still out
I just tested vote-kick with a few friend and literally nothing happens
i dont think it works anymore
how to make friends when ur a mute and a paraplegic in vrchat
I am more angry that the platform I chose to use when Discord is off is off too, than that Discord does BS...
???
?
dude
you can make friends without talking
I almost never speak in VRC. Thousands of hours being a mute yet I still have nearly 1K friends. You don't need your legs to boop people or be expressive with your arms/gestures. Just be lively and expressive and engage/interact with those around you. People often understand the trope of "fake mute" in VRC. I've never had anyone give me shit for it and you can easily use pens, particle keyboards, etc, to communicate.
particle keyboard?
Hell, you can sit in the corner of a room in an avatar that's just a sprite with no moving limbs and people will still interact with u
It's' an asset that allows you to spawn particles of letters/symbols using touch. Some avatars have it, you can add it to your own avatar. Google "Yash's particle KeyBoard"
most of the time just using a pen is easier though
idk how to do that pens r hard to write with a mouse and im an actual mute
Ah your on Desktop, Neither of those options work well for ya then.
<~>
Being a mute is easier in VR as you at least have arms to flail around and express yourself with
You don't need to stand or anything like that. Shit, I'm always sitting right on my ass on the floor when i play. But VR does help :/
if you are on desktop perhaps you can use a text to speech engine
well im poor i dout ill ever own enough money to get a headset
I have no idea how to set up text to speech but enough people do it so I'm sure theres tutorials
i tried that something called clown fish and it didnt work
Yea. Something like Balabolka and Bannana
It's pretty easy, Balabolka lets you pipe the TTS audio to any input you wish
It's what I use for TTS in game and my world audio for DJ voice overs
only reason i dont talk is because people assume my gender due to a vocal birth defect of mine
It's free as well.
I think you'd find most people on VRC don't really care about your gender.
In my experience they kinda do tbh
agreed
plus the wrong pronous suck
Odd. Maybe it's just the 1K people I've friended who don't. Generally, I find there is a very, very large bi/gay/trans crowd that plays with many/vast majority of people wearing avatars that don't match their sex anyways.
not my fault my voice this way
yea it makes it worss because so many guys use female avatars a lot a people think im one of them
I think at certain times certain types of people get on and they have this culture of calling people slurs.
What, the 10 year olds? just mute them
Thankfully this game makes it very easy to mute/block anyone with no sweat off your back.
instead of arguing about experiences lets just help koneko
Who's arguing about anything?
nya?
spamming friend request to get a bigger list smh
not everything is a personal attack or argument. Sometimes people are literally just BSin or carrying a conversation. Perhaps that showcases a larger issue with your outlook regarding people or the intent of their statements
and yea, that's why I never send anyone a FR and only accept FRs if Interact with users.
im so confuzzled
no one is arguing
exactly
oh shooot
is there a chat i can post picturesim confused on this cable thingy
i have a setup and a setupx64 what do i do
setup will work fine, I don't see a particular reason to choose x64
nothing happened
unless you have a x64 computer, like virtually all computers made anymore
i hit allow then nothing happened
hmmm maybe wait a little bit
(all computer allow 32bit apps and I'm sure a tts voice app isn't that intensive)
Just install VoiceMeter, Install Cable, Install Balabolka or whatever TTS software you use, but Balabolka def is best for this, Install the voice you want to use, open Voice Meter and set your output audio settings in Balabolka or whatever TTS to output to your VoiceMeter aux input, and set the Output to whatever open line you want, in VRChat just select that output line and you're done.
to many instalations'
my brain
so do i install voicemeter or balabolka
ik i have cable installed now
Voicemeter is used in tandom with the cable. Voicemeter is the man in the middle routing your audio allowing you to set the audio levels for your mic, it also lets you pipe audio from VoiceMod if you wish to use a soundboard as well as TTS
can u use stupid people terms? heh
Balabolka is a free TTS program, all it does is text to speech. It just happens to be free, well made, and have audio output options built in.
ima just dm u
Oh I won't get DMs. But I can wish you good luck XP
??? why
you can dm me
That should cover the gist of everything. Only thing you're doing different is just using TTS instead of playing Music. everything else is the same.
It also explains what these tools are in better layman terms than I
There is a setting that makes it only deliver DMs from people in friends list. I assume it is that...
Hi where is the best place to post a link to a test world?
Where do I go if I want to find an avatar or seeing if one can be made?
Idk why but vrchat makes my pc shut down randomly after the latest update
An ISP upstream is blackholing traffic and breaking a bunch of stuff globally, Cloudflare is a symptom but not the cause.
For the past 2 hours I ve been struggling to set up VoiceMeter Banana so I can DJ for my friends in VRChat. Is anyone willing to lend me a helping hand?
did you check that link I posted at 5:23?
Yeah but since I have a dj controller, things are rather weird.
Is it just my vr chat mic that isnt working ive tries everything and different mics
@muted wharf can we all just go ahead and knock off level3 from the internet? :P
l3/centurylink doesnt deserve to exist with how many problems they have caused in the last years
Has anything changed to vrchat cached data? It's in a different format and folder for me now 🤔
why cant we delete local cache
You can, just browse your folders. I'm just wondering why it's in a different place and format now
but where is it in
You can clean cache by deleting everything within C:\Users%Username%\AppData\LocalLow\VRChat\vrchat apart from output_log.txt and config.json if you have them
Or just pate this into the path bar. %AppData%\..\LocalLow\VRChat\vrchat 
Unity is such a shitty program. My shader works in Unity, but not in VRC. How am I supposed to figure out what part is broken?
?
Probably because of lights in the world
You aren't trying to use a different render pipeline or something like that? Shader graph?
No shader graph or anything, just modifed the normal shader to include stencils
if it depends on world lighting it will be inconsistent as most worlds have awful lighting
And my "reveal" shader works fine in Unity, but not in-game. It's my own world, both it and the scene use a single directional light
If I remove "colormask 0" it works, but then that revealing sphere is visible at all times, which I don't want. I'd toggle it with the inventory switch, but it breaks if I attempt to make "off" the default state
is that all you changed?
Yeah, I added:
Stencil { Ref 7 Comp equal }
After every tag on the normal shader. I could use another, but the standard shader has nice transparency..
Changing the texture to "Cutout" and removing 'rendertype "transparent"' from the reveal shader somehow fixed it. I don't understand shaders but luckily I usually get it to work by changing random things. Thanks for trying to help, even though I was mostly ranting
did you guys notice that full body got really shit after the recalibration update?
no
who wants to watch movies in vrc?
Full body as as bad as it always was
@lapis yoke as long as you are using the old calibrating method nothing should be different for you
but there is a desync problem when you lay down, your height wont be accurate to other players after you stand up.
i am using the old one.
someone just went through crashing all the instances of the black cat
Which games can you play as a desktop user? Our server was thinking of organizing a in-vrchat game night. Can devouring and murder be played ilke that?
Yes they can be played in desktop mode
Hi
how are you im just looking for people who want to hangout
I'm all good, what about u Kaiyru? How are u doing today.
Awesome, thanks @broken plover, we'll play that tonight then
Man oh man waiting for avatar upload status is gonna kill me lol
does anyone know how long a user keeps the possible_troll tag?
the what tag?

Ever since the new update came out on the 28th, i have not been able to go into karaoke rooms or video player rooms and listen or see videos that are playing on the screens. I thought it might have been a Youtube DL issue so i went into the .cache folder like i usually do to delete the file but it wasn't there so that's not the issue. I tried to download a seperate youtube DL to put in my /Tools folder but i don't have the folder to begin with. I don't really know what's going on. Since this last update i can't see videos playing 😦 is anyone else having this issue?
The only karaoke world i can see the videos on is Light Karaoke because those are private servers and not streams from Youtube. Is there any other thing i can try so i can get this to work again? I posted a discussion question but it hasn't been answered and it's been 16 hours.
The only issue that I have is I can’t even create an account or login
Yeah i think the new update messed a lot of things up for everybody. A lot of my friends that frequent karaoke rooms can't delete their cache on VR Chat because it won't accept the delete when you click the button. Some of them have also not been able to see or play videos if they're not on a private server...
Oh ok
Wait till you see day 420
😮
Anyone know where i can get some touch controllers
Hi does anyone know how can i find someone on discord by using their VRchat username?
ctrl + F and then try searching for their ingame name. They often have the same name on discord and VRchat
not guaranteed to work though
they migh also put their discord username in their Vrchat profile.
and i am using a pc no headset so this is more of a try and relax thing but avatars are something i cant do
Yeah will try that
Thankd guys
@copper apex i dont think thats what chat mods are for
He’s harassing me via dm
He was yelled at here and then created another account to do it again
block him and report him via #moderation-reports
You joined this discord just to get a hold of me
Is there a vrchat rp channel?
guys, please take personal discussions to DMs, im sure most here dont want to get involved
ik i dont i just wanna get someone to help me figure avatar shit
aaaannd hes outta here !
well, that was, intresting
Long story short he was kicked out of a E-Sports competitive VR FPS (Onward) team as the team was inactive and disbanded. Then continues to harass me for a reason why (which is stated above).
Now he’s claiming I’m Stealing Valor? Even though I was in a JROTC for the Marines? 😂
XD
What’s stealing valor? I forgot haven’t been on VR for a bit now
Stolen Valor is when you are claiming to be a part of the US military when you are not, yet I have military identification and have completed my JROTC
Glad someone appreciates it.
No problemo
No I’ve done nothing, two youngest serve. And now with all these new laws but medication I can’t go into the military
Oh
yo guys waz poppin
Nm you missed an idiot try to harass me for kicking him out of a esports team
hey, Stolen Valor isn't when someone claims to be part of the Military. Stolen Valor is when someone claims to be in the military and attempts to collect a Discount, Favor, or service based on that claim. There is actually no law against what people would call "Impersonating the military" or anything like that. You can wear a military uniform and say you are in the military to every person you see, that's not a crime. Now, doing that at a school to gain discounted tuition, is a felony for example.
Ah my apologies. All I did was run a team and state that I was part of a JROTC 😂 whIch I have proof of
He claims stole valor because he’s mad I kicked him, plus, not once did they ask for proof, so they’re claiming with false information
Just a common misconception I've seen. I have no idea what happened with ya. I'm too lazy to read more than two or three sentances back XD
Sounds like a shitty group of people tbh. XD
He threatened me too
I think it's best we just move on. 
no
Saying that he will be on every one of my twitch streams and YouTube to tell others about my “Stolen Valor”
i cant sign in my account on the site
oh nuisance rank, should dissapear on its own after some time
"some"
i never had it, cant say for sure how long it will take or what you have to do to get rid of it
Yea. it's not based on Time or anything like that purely. It's based on the actions you make, and the actions those make around you and regarding you
you really need to be particularly toxic to get the nuisance rank
ysome people see a nuisance and block them on sight, means they never get out of it then?
Yea no kidding. I've only seen a small handful of people actually get that Rank. It's probably easier to kill that acocunt and start over, learning from your past mistakes.
they don't block on sight
it's hidden* and muted by default
i mean , you hear them say: Oh look , a nuisance, i will block him
as a nuisance you can hear others 😉
You can hear people, people can't hear you. You are muted and hidden by default.
every time I unmuted a nuisance rank, I immediately knew why he got that rank
XDD LMAO right? Last time I unmuted a nuisance he was ear raping "WH Y IS EVERYONE MUTING ME" at like max earrape levels. Poor clueless kid with a shit mic.
lol
I unhide one nuisance just to see
a mistake I'll never make again
what did you get to see?
a plane with scat porn on it that instantly crashed me with an extremely loud noise
😮
ive seen worse crasher
I've seen worse too, that was just a nuisance rank guy
guy tried to crash someone else, i had safety on, he died, the guy he tried to crash was still there, everything was fine, i was walking away, SteamVR decided to crash again
Is there anyway to get the "Hold menu to open Action menu" functionality back when using the SteamVR binding.. all presets have this enabled EXCEPT for the steamvr one so now i can't use my custom changes with this functionality but i used this functionality really frequently.
OwO

@whole flare when you rebound buttons using SteamVR, use the Custom option in bindings
@open kraken my whole point is that i'm missing functions when i do so. and there's no way to achieve the same functionality with custom steamvr bindings.
huh. that sure is a bother
in ANY preset. holding B opens that hands quick menu. but when you use the SteamVR preset. that gets disabled. and you can't remake that functionality with steamvr bindings cuz trying to do so just breaks your menu button.
i dunno what controllers you use. for me, i have touch CV1 and i use B/Y as Menu and Action menu
normal press Menu, long press Action
and i'm on Custom as i rebound stuff to get rid of any binding on A/X
and i meant my index controllers.
uhh yeah. i heard there are still problems with them D:
like, gesture toggle just poofing out of existence
can easily reenable that one manually
i cant understand anything my mind cant process it
problem i have is that if i use long press for action menu in custom bindings instead of the like quarter second press needed in other presets it takes like 2 seconds of holding the button and then releasing it to open the menu.
wow, just wow 😮
I've noticed that some avatars have a white square as the performance rank
that usualy only happens when you have the avatar hidden for that person
No if I show their avatar it's a white square if I hide it, it turns into a verypoor icon
at least that's how it usualy happens for me
i just wish vrchat did grabbing the same way for index it did for vive wands. i hate the grabbing with a absolute passion.. (with index you grab something by simply closing your hand around the controller) it is infurating and i keep constantly picking up or dropping shit like every minute.. i just want my pull trigger to pick up something and have it be stuck and then squeeze controller to drop it on the floor again back ;3;
hello
Sup
any tips for starting out?
Same here I can’t understand anything
Step 1: Join world
Step 2: Change avatar
Step 3: Enable mirror and stare at yourself
Step 4: Boop every nose you see
You're now playing VRChat like a pro.
Yeah I watched youtuber drumsy and syrmor and played via them
drumsy in a nutshell: "insert video title question" maybe its just the friends we made along the way
Vr lolathon
Drumsy is great 😤 and truly is the friends along the way, that sums up vrc
nah the real vr content creator is Jamie Vatarga
Jamie has a YouTube? 🤔
Guys i keep loading into worlds, none of the avatars load, and then i get a black screen, and i'm so close to throwing my router out of the window. Has anyone had this issue?
duh, he is a big youtuber
Oak I never said Drumsy is bad 👀
Jamie has 5Million subs ~~ in the future hopefully ~~
i did, because as i said before, only jamie is the og
I need a Bismarck avatar cause sabaton
Guys i keep loading into worlds, none of the avatars load, and then i get a black screen, and i'm so close to throwing my router out of the window. Has anyone had this issue?
@coarse thorn Right click VRChat in Steam, Properties, Set launch options, fill in "vrchat://launch?ref=vrchat.com&id=wld_97fda4a1-f820-4f09-a88c-2d2a95b668f7:1~friends", this will set your starting world to the Old Hub.its a soft reset from spawn at least might not work but worth a shot
@grim tusk Thank you mate ❤️
Worst part is I don’t have the money for a headset or a avatar
Bahka what's the channel name on yt
just search up jamie vatarga
jamie too powerful for your wifi
it is understandable really, most isps cant handle his power
me have vr headset neither but if you're lucky you find cool people
I'm looking for an asset, the one thats a particle sphere on your hand that you can manipulate. Anyone know it?
Aye hey merc, thanks.
It maaay also be already listed in my list of Unity Assets in my server
Imma join that
Oh, @karmic rose ig you left quadds server and somehow i never added you, i cant message you
I'm in Quadds server still. one sec
i didn't look too close into this, but i dont think it's possible to bind 'toggle nameplates' with the current in game button remapper or is there a way through steamvr?
Toggle Nameplates is a menu option, there's no dedicated controller button for it, so you can't remap it.
the rebinding options are purely related to opening the new menu and mostly focus on the functionality regarding that.
hello
Hi yellow you like song coldplay-yellow?
game ded again?
am i the only one who cant even play vrc at the moment
no
I can play it
3 of us
you getting that loading loop too @solid plaza
no for me its fps or lag
do you play vr or desktop@solid plaza
desktop
you are mostlikly behind when it coms to you pc specs
if its fpc its you pc but if its lag its you server conection or isp latency
im not wairing forever just to jump in one world and the run in to the same thing agen
have you googled it?
i doubt google will have anything
Is anyone else having the issue where they can’t clear the download cache. This update has not been a good one.
you need to cleer it in your vrc folder
i did that and it reset vrc
i had to redo my safety settings, my moving around options
Hi I'm new ^^ I wanted to know what is the name of this particular character from vr Chat. Where could I send pictures of it?
#general-media and welcome you'll have a lovely time here
@raw pine I sent it on that channel
@errant lagoon you needed to just delete the vrccache
Hi
Is there a way to delete Tafi avatars from my account?
I have a bunch of slots I only want one
hi quick question -- i had stream camera enabled and pressed the same key that i would normally use to take a picture with photo camera, but none of it saved despite the camera flashing
does stream camera also not allow me to take photos or did i mess something up?
Yeah you can't take photos with the stream camera
Anyone with some basic knowledge with unity animation willing to help me with my halloween map?
It's not that I can't it's just I'm afraid of running low on time
hay i just found this out and tryed it so if anyone is having the nonstoping loading loop in anyworld cleer all your temp files from all your three folders how to do so type run in windows and type for the first one %temp% delete all files then type run agen then type tem then delete all files agen then one mor time type run then for this one you want to type prefatch then delete all files for the last time then it shold fix the issue
thank god im not the only one stuck on this frekin load loop
though i cant fix it please help VRChat Team
anyone else having problems deleting the cache?
i tried getting rid of the temp files but i cant do it
yes
get it to work that is XD
a lot of people including myself
What is going on today?

Hmm
hmm
rip my playspace
?
is improv night on now?
§15. No posting the same question or statement across multiple channels.
how do i obtain the new user rank so i can upload an avatar, when i play on quest?
i only have a quest no pc that can handle vr unfortunately, i am well above new user on quest, but it doesnt seem to cross over
is there a way to move my quest progress over, while still keeping it on quest?
Ah, you are using a oculus account you mean?
ye
I think you can upgrade it the same way as on PC.
sorry, im not really good with the account stuff, how would i go about doing that?
like i dont have any saved avatars, worlds
so what would this actually do, its kind of confusing to me, sorry
The site should explain most of it.
Basically your oculus account get's combined into the vrchat account. You can still use it for login but you will end up in your vrchat account instead.
do avatars and saved worlds cross over?
You can find all info on the linked page 

This is so sad
One handed locomotion is pretty annoying - if a controller loses tracking, suddenly straifing turns into turning, which is unexpected and dizzying
This leads to random tiny unexpected turns as a controller loses trackign for random frames
is there a way to just clear only the cache
since the in game button is broken
since hopping into different worlds with different friends my cache is at 4.57 and now I am lagging and crashing
it cant be done manually
it clears my settings so I need to redo them everytime, it is useless
all I want to do is clear the avatar and world loading cache only
Is there an faq? I have some probably common questions
Such as how do you view your own rank? And roughly how long does it take to move up?
anyone having issues with the game crashing if you reload a previously loaded avatar again? it makes my game crash 100% of the time if i dont clear my temp data before i do it
It seems to have a very limited pool of topics...
So I'll just ask here: How do I check my own rank?
Which tab?
For spookality, are you supposed to fill out the submission form before making the world or after?
Also, with the VRChat username. Are you supposed to put in the username you can change or the one you can't?
-.- you can put the most random garbage into your pass 'Sorry, you can't use this one either'
Bad Request: Our system indicates this password may have been compromised due to a data breach on another service.
Brah, thats from literally rolling my fist on the keyboard wtf.
I feel like this system it turned up just a tad too high
I it told me I couldn't use too many passwords and now I have to wait -.- Literally the 'generate a secure password' gives me Bad Request: Our system indicates this password may have been compromised due to a data breach on another service.
wow. XD Is this a new system that hasn't been tuned yet?
it checks the password against haveibeenpwned.com
if the password is in their list of leaked passwords, its blocked
Does anyone know where "Howls Moving Castle" avatars can be found?
Does said list have like... 80% or better possible combinations of characters?
Im suprised Ive never seen any.
It must be at least a million long. Literally face rolling the keyboard trigers it.
List gotta be at least 1 million combinations of characters.
just checked for you, works for me: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/659167683446571028/749855214324023296/unknown.png
does anybody know where I can find a decent 80s arcade?
with a password generated by pwgen -v 16 1
So how, exactly, do you check your own rank?
Yeah I put in too many rejected passwords I have to wait to try again
Open your menu, And aim your pointer at the top bar of the menu. Your avatar picture should show on the menu, and the colour around the picture is your rank
Ah! I see it now! Awesome thanks

anyone who's having issues with other's avatars being performance blocked despite having safety settings set to show them by default, here's your canny to upvote: https://feedback.vrchat.com/bug-reports/p/avatars-getting-performance-blocked-despite-min-perf-rank-set-to-verypoor
Hello, i would like some help on VR chat stuff.
Specifically which choice is a better experience for this game.
Should i get a PC then a VR headset?
Or should i just get the Oculus Quest and get the game through there?
you can also use an oculus quest with a pc as a regular headset
Oh! But will i not be able to see everyone's avatars?
if you connect to your pc, it will run off of your pc and it will be the same as basically using a rift s
as someone who does not have a vr headset, the oculus quest version seems not very ideal
but if you plan to play more than just vrchat a quest is a good buy because it can run basic vr games pretty decently
like beatsaber and stuff
Oh, okay thank you! I'm in the process of moving, so i was curious which one i should go for.
yeah no problem
Bye! Thanks again! ❤
good luck
not my creation but just wanna give a shout out to vrchat escape project by R3C0D3R. high quality VR room escape worlds that imo surpass those of standalone paid room escapes on steam.
if anyone wants a good room escape, search it up. the hub might still be under community labs
is there a way to completely fullscreen the game? i cant find it anywhere in settings
alt + enter
ty
are worlds able to disable the radial menu?
cause i cant seem to open it in some worlds
like the one you open when you click the sticks on index

If anyone knows the avatar that freezes in place and says "to be continued" I can't find the world it's in.
hi
I was wondering, there was the update that lets VR users change the mapping on their controllers, is there an option for desktop users to be able to do the same? I'd like to be able to remap crouch to the ctrl key since that's normally what I always use for playing PC games like HL2 and Skyrim.
That would be nice ^
I wish there was a slider for 'listening range' so you could make it so you only hear people really close or you can hear people really far away.
i like how one of the most important updates (bindings in vr) is brushed off as a small patch and not a major update ^^
anyone on?
Hello everyone how are u
I'm good, thanks
you ?
Good
@heady salmon that exists actually, but you can only change it in worlds and not in game settings
Why can't i jump? I'm on vive
Some worlds don’t allow you to jump but I believe they changed the binding to another button
they didn't change the vive controls. But if you used custom bindings they may cause issues. So try to revert to default bindings and see if jumping works again
It's not the world, just me
Can anyone tell me how i setup a avatar cam for twitch streaming. i wanna show both my VR view AND i cam of my avatar in the lower right corner. Im trying to setup with stream cam in vrchat but it will only show the cam view and not what i see. I wanna make it so i can have 2 windows 1 that shows my avatar and 1 that shows my POV. is that possible?
You need to capture the steamVR view as the first person view and then use the vrchat stream camera as third person view
have fun requiring to use your real facebook account to log in tho ArsenalKiddo666
@broken plover Thanks for the help. But i can't select my steam vr view only VRC
Could this be because my desktop only shows Vrchat. and not the steam VR window?
the desktop window for VRChat shows the stream camera's view. And you have to put the SteamVR view into obs either by opening the steamvr view window from steamvr or by using the OpenVRCapture plugin for OBS
https://youtu.be/V396REidNN8 @vocal shard
can i use OpenVRCapture with streamlabs obs?
yes
@broken plover Got it to work i manually let it pop out steam vr didnt knew of this method thank you !
nah, the best one is index
Valve index is the best VR headset. Oculus quest is one of the lower end headsets
Because it has high res screens, high refresh rate, big FOV and the best tracking system
and also the controllers have real finger tracking
The audio on the index is also really good
and can upgrade to fbt without buying separate base stations
uh, no you do not need to, you can if you want, but the headset comes with speakers
@broken plover are there som tricks to have the camera in front of me without me seeing a big pad display?
Is it possible to fast track in game rank with $$$$$ ?
One of the buttons unattaches the screen from the camera so you can put the screen behind you for example and just have the floating dot infront of you
Hey guys does anybody know a map for quest that includes sonic the werehog?
@raven venture no
unless... 😳
Guessing not
i mean, pretty much all mainstream headsets can play any games
There's only one version, sold at one store. And its 1000$ on steam
The Valve Index costs 1000$ and you can only buy it on steam
oops too late
No. Not a game. The headset. Its made by Valve. Valve are the people that made Steam. So they only sell it on Steam. Just like you could only buy the Steam Controller on Steam
also wdym there is a game that costs thousand dollars
here is the link to the store https://store.steampowered.com/sub/354231/
index is wired too


Im on PC and on yt they say theres a tutorial but nothing come up for me ;-;
tutorial for what ?
tutorial for pc
w a s d to walk, esc for menu, r for radial menu, v to mute/unmute, c to crouch, z to lay down, mouse to look around
Im on PC and on yt they say theres a tutorial but nothing come up for me ;-;
@split compass also alt+enter for fullscreen. took me a mth to know
🤔
I meant like i cant join worlds. but thx anyway
oh boy
please, the meme is over 2 years old by now
no body cares about knuckles anymore. just let it be dead already
Please tell me there’s away for a pc or quest avatar to have animation and still be cross platform
Should I make a custom avatar based on Hazuki?
if you want
no
So it is possible with or without using shader?
custom shaders are not supported afaik
So how do you add animations to a quest avatar or pc/quest
in unity
The knuckles meme is what made me join VRChat so it will always have a special place in my heart while I initialize the vote kick
Unity is how you add animations to quest?
Unity is how you upload custom avatars, the custom avatars can have custom animations added to them.
It has built-in tools for creating animations and stuff
And Animations work just fine on quest, the quest avatar restrictions are no dynamic bones, staying under 7500 triangles if you want other quest users to see you, and your textures can’t use transparency on the quest version. The pc version has no limits like normal, you just wont see it, only Pc users will
It’s a good system
But what if I’m a quest only one
There’s not really much of a reason to use a quest-only avatar, if they exist the creator just didn’t know what they were doing. But yeah if you wear one then PC users see you as a robot.
They shouldn’t really exist because there’s no reason they couldn’t have at least slapped the quest model as the windows build as well
hey does anybody know blackcatsuger
So it’s not possible for unity to make animations on avatars for a quest only and cross platforming it wouldn’t help?
That’s basically the exact opposite of everything I said
Sorry I’m very confused now 😓
anyone know of a good guide on how to setup the prefab vrc player? I can't get it to play user inputted url's...
hey dies anybody know blackcatsuger
are you using the new one?
What’s wrong with the vrchat servers they’ve been pinging us about
They be broke and unstable as hell
What the hell happened
its actually not the VRC servers, its the parent host
Ooohhh
remember when people were breaking 5g towers?
Yep lol
yeah, they kinda didnt just target 5g >.>
i sense someone uttering the word, 5g
Uuuhhh
they also targeted routing towers
Oof I’ve been wanting to play vrchat recently but idk if I should even bother getting on dang
thanks idiots that dont know which tower is which
People just want to destroy shit honestly
and for thinking 5g tower can cause a biological problem
humans, well at least they are fun to watch
so atm a lot of data is kinda overloading the pipe lines
Its like a massive wave of stupidity, this year has been something...
on the upside, if the pipe lines break, we could all get faster internet
Oh?
optical fiber is WAY cheaper than anything else
Didn’t know that, so they would just have to replace all the old shit?
if the lines break or burn out, yeah
Interesting
most likely nothing will happen and if anything would break it would be the source not the lines sadly
Yuh
Does any body know where i can find an avatar of Lucoa? I have no idea of how to use Unity. I just need a normal version of her, nothing special.
Hm, idk I’ve been trying to find a dragon maid avatar world myself but I can’t find one
This whole 5G thing has been more useful than problematic. I now know with great confidence which of my coworkers and family members I can absolutely never believe.
fix clearing cash please cant clear it MODS c:
i got no storage all my storage in vrc and i cant clear
I’ve been hearing that nobody can clear their cache but like why do you want to clear it just curious
Oh it’s a storage thing
yeah i got 30gb in there man
Oof
I can clear my cache just fine and you would clear it to basically load everything from VRChat fresh instead of loading it from your hard drive
Depending on your computer and internet connection, sometimes it’s faster to just re-download something then load it from your hard drive
Ah cool thanks
HA! Adeon, good point on who you can believe
It’s like I have Tumblr to thank for knowing which of my internet acquaintances think you can get infinite chocolate if you cut a bar in a special way. That’s something you need to remember for later.
anyone wanna play im bored?
The old versions of room don't like to load. That's how I know when it's time to clear my cache
My progress bar will just stay at 0%
Will a RX580 work with VRChat (desktop mode) and if so how well is the performance?
VR chat is like a not absolute garbage version of IMVU.
Is it possible to install VRchat another drive, and not have the Cache save to the C Drive without having to the sys-file redirect trick?
in desktop mode the gpu isnt that important. the rx580 is good enough to play vrc with over 200fps (depends on world tho)
I think there are mods that relocate where the cache is safed
but clearing it every month should do the trick
Your cash is a Windows system holder
@broken plover thanks just wanted to check
I had that mod, but recently the whole game bugged for a lot of people using it. so I had to delete it. I'd prefer to just never have to worry about cache taking up my C Drive. it's crazy you can't have it on another drive
Mods are absolutly forbidden and will lead to ban if detected.
its not a mod, its a file redirect
literally telling windows "hey, stuff here? no, put it here instead"
"I had that mod"
Yes, a symlink would be the way to go.
But that's not a mod. 
You'd be better off letting Windows handle the cash the way it wants to. Redirecting that folder is just going to make your computer work harder to figure it out
I just quoted Fox, relax. he said mod so I followed up
A individual folder symlink will not make that worse ArchAngel.
Sadly some peopel still use small system drives, especially when building dual drive systems
I of course didnt mean hackin the game
I only assumed that because most of the systems can be faster than the store
thus the reason I'm forced to use it a lot of the times, not malicious, the game cache just gets to big for me
Storage Drive
More storage space
you buying?
¯_(ツ)_/¯
Mdot2 Drive faster than a solid state drive
uhm
yeah, I've got 2. for work
all I want is Vrchat to be like every other game and allow me to choose my directory for installation and downloads. It's a shame it doesn't have that feature built into the installation process
i have the same problem
There were state has solid state drives before there was in. 2
I give up, damn voice recognition
SATA SSD
you are thinking about the architecture, not the standard Archangel. Technically there were hard drives in the mid 1900's but I won't expect them to run at 7200rpm. Same name, different thing
Or am I thinking SDD?
i have a problem with vrchat cache since the last update, the problem is that my system disk (C) is an SSD and i redirect all vrchat cache to a mechanical disk (D) where it is installed, that same disk is where the steam library is, i tried to release the permissions in roaming and it loads the VRCHAThome map finally, if i can't make it work outside the ssd (C) againg i will have to uninstall it, i don't want to burn all my writing SSD cycles since it remains 78% currently.....anyone have any solution for this?
that's my problem to @vocal shard
oh my
Friday night, the devs even stated "Hey, big bug, uninstall that symlink to maybe fix it." It did fix the problem... but now, I've just got this cache scraping at the rest of my ssd's space
An HDD is also having wear when constantly written to. But let's ignore that point of the message.
Eventually try a directory junction instead if the symbolic link makes troubles. Maybe that works. 
@vocal shard There's a known problem in Windows 10 that causes extra wear on SSDs. Look for articles mentioning unnecessary defragmentation.
I might be absolutely wrong, but I believe that was a while ago and may have been fixed? I'll check
I read that it's still a current problem, but a fix is in the works.
ah you are right, just from first glance online
@tribal widget i know that problem and i have replaced all windows defrag with defraggler and it shows that everything is fine, although it has nothing to do with the way the game currently works since i have come to occupy only in cache about 30 gigs in the past (SSD)
SSDs aren't the universal solution they're advertised to be. They trade one set of vulnerabilities for another. Curiously, the "fusion" or hybrid drive seems to be popular because it offers us the worst features of both kinds of drives. 😛
ew, SSHD's
🐱
seems to me you're doing it the right way. just keep track of the lifetime of the device, whatever kind of drive you're using, and plan to replace it while you still can. also, keep it backed up.
one of the best pieces of advice I've seen is properly ancient - from Peter Norton: "You back up your hard drive for the same reason you recharge a fire extinguisher."
the true hypochondriac keeps at least Raid 1 for 2 drives, another third master backup out of the pc, a backup up on the cloud, and a hand written diary of the contents on another continent
@north hedge You might enjoy reading the blogs on this project -- http://longserver.org
A serious effort to create a "long server" that will keep any data you give it, forever. And provide it in any format you need, on into the future.
@vocal shard thats a question you should ask in a Roblox related server. 
im furious with the vrchat developers. ive reported multiple times that i STILL cant get into my main account because the login issue was not fixed for me. i posted on twiter here and in a support ticket that the issue they "claimed" to have fixed was in fact not fixed for everyone. did they go to talk with indivudals who report this. of course not. my ticket was ignored and that pisses me off. my view of their abilities ot do this right is starting to fade rather quickly im afrain
it makes me wonder why i even bother using my alt to play if a simple login error cant be delt with effeciently and quickly
Is the server slow right now?

i didnt had any lag problems today
I had lag problems too today
it's happening in desktop too
^Can confirm
well, i logged of half an hour ago, so maybe it changed till now idk
I've forgotten how to do hand gestures on desktop
safety settings keeps getting reset when changing worlds
i can't clear cache at all
lag in both desktop and vr
does anyone have the halo grunt that spawns in the phantom and other really cool stuff?
anyone else having bad connections still
Hey @earnest vortex, see you at willmofield.
Hi which channel do i go to if I’m having issues with unity? 😅
depends, avatar or world building?
An avatar I’m completely new to this
Oh right I think so yeah
#avatars-2-general is your best bet then
Anyone got any good desktop worlds?
Thank you 😊
why do some avatar when you use them show you use as a robot
they are probably blocked. change your safety settings and perfomance options
its in the filename plus it says it on the website which one you can download
does anyone know how to avoid the problem where VRChat runs at 11fps for seemingly no reason? Sometimes it appears that it might be RAM related, but right now i'm fine and yet VRChat's absolutely tanking (from the moment it launches)
it's an issue that happened WAYY back in 2018 but it's happening again now, with a horrible frequency
amount of stuff on screen like particles and mirrors maybe. seems to be what slows me down.
@regal furnace
like it should be at something like 30% gpu and full FPS under normal circumstances
rather than 100% gpu and 11fps
i've changed my performance stats to 2,000 mb and safety is at none but its still a robot
max perfomance stats for avatars?
samething happended to my friend too where they saw their avatar as a robot but i could see their avatar
im not sure ,but the avatar isn't even that big or anything it just has a few gestures
i think this is rather a glitch than a performance or safety thing
i restarted my pc and it's at full 80fps at 23%gpu https://i.imgur.com/xLIixD3.png
i would love to know how to fix this issue
Hey @earnest vortex, see you at willmofield.
@desert sequoia. Willmofield?
@desert sequoia. I googled the name. Looks like a animator/furry made some worlds. I'll check it out.
Bruh my avatar is not publishing
Rip 
anyone know where you find those new twerk emotes ive looked everywhere
🤔
Hmmm
-w-
ya yeet
Nya nyeet
Hi
@earnest sky you'll probably find more luck asking in avatar creator servers
They usually have a looking-for channel
Well. I managed to fix my mic. So.
I tried this game for the first time. It's fun.
Eeeeven if I don't have VR.
I'm starting to get back into it so I understand your pain
My social anxiety acts up and doesn't let me speak and make new friends
Mmmmhm.
i didnt know it could affect me in a virtual setting
I'm not surprised it does for me.
Me: alright, let's meet some peo-
Group of people: exists
Me: on second thought maybe not.
once i joined the never have i ever map, and there was this girl that didnt want to be the gm because she felt shy
Well that's because they are people, vitrual or not you know there are real human beings behind the avatars
Pfffft. I mean, I'd fit, but at the same time nty.
UHGGHGGHGHUHGH a fucking glitch that i thought i was rid of came back and i dont know how to fix it and vrchat support doesnt do jack shit
fuck anxiety
fucking PLEASE im goddamn begging you guys to optimize the game. its so buggy and bad that i cant get enjoyment out of it, because every time some bug shows up and ass rams me
I mean it's been in early access development for its whole existence right? :v
@crystal plover do not name any modification tools by name or post images of content about them
You probably wanna reconsider your stay in that Discord too.
But... it doesn`t, and ripping has always been possible.
It has existed in the past already. And it's ofc a major bummer, but does not make everyone drop making avatars.

It will work itself out. It always does. I remember when stuff like that came up in the early days of second life. It worked itself out in the end naturally.
You mistake some things Green Hell.
You can be sure people (including me) care about it and dont like it, it's however not gonna be the end of the world and the dev's will always look into this kinda things.
Yikes
i wanna be banned 😳
Wow, good thing I walked away to shower & eat some fruit. Dodged the bullet
You shouldn't talk to strangers.
Then again, drama's everywhere
Is avatar ripping even being looked into
Wait... It's all... Ripped avatars? It always has been.
Idk if they say its down the road then that makes me happy, but if not then what Paul just said was kinda sad
I mean, it's not easy
I know its not easy, nothing really is when it comes to coding
It really isn't easy and I can vouch for the devs
But thats why its a job
Ripping is never fully preventable, but in terms of client's and tools the Dev's definitely dont ignore that and will look into possible prevention ways.
VRC's protection against ripping seems more secure than other games I've seen lol.
Cant lock it behind something?
Don't be so critical about it, please
why must my game not let me join worlds...
Internet issue?
Uh I should be able to at least ask about this stuff, if not then I guess this is a silencing discord :/
Download issue?
I dont wanna call it that but I sure don't think snuffing issues out by silencing it is a way to deal with it u.u
yus, it keeps downloading half way and then stops, and takes me back home
You can always properly talk about things like this if it's a constructive discussion / critique. 
Any error messages?
nope
Ah there we go uwu
Ouch, okay. Uh did you try reloading back into the game?
is there a way to fix this .-.
You can talk about thing's without having to name them and get people "interested" in it the bad way.
YES, Reinstalled it....logged back in, NOTHING WORKED
Again your screenshot nicely names the tools and where people could get them, that's definitely not appropriate
You can talk about the issue without naming tools or anything that way. 
christ sake green, give it a rest
confusion .-.
I said nothing about reinstalling it but okay, that's out of the question anyway because 88% of the people do it. Uh, @formal smelt My conclusion is probably either Internet connection issue or a kick, those are my only conclusions but like you said you didn't get any error messages
i join ANY world and nothing....my internet is fine
Whinging
Weird! I tried my best to help uh, can you see if you can submit a support ticket in #vrchat-support or #user-support-old ?




