vrchat-general-2

[junior moon]

Lol dude all I did was fly

[vocal shard]

laugh out loud ur so quirky

[junior moon]

Lol and your def not

[vocal shard]

absolutely roasted omg no way🤔

[junior moon]

It’s an opinion dude chill

[vocal shard]

you seem a little upset🫡 my apologies you beautiful amazing awesome perfect person have an amazing day 😣😣

[junior moon]

I’m happy for those people but I love chilloutvr it sooo much better. If you don’t like my opinion great, but it’s just an opinion, relax, no need to criticise people when you have no idea 🙂

[vocal shard]

I don’t like ur opinion

[tepid burrow]

yikes

[junior moon]

Ok sorry you don’t but it’s just an opinion, get over it, no need to get upset

[vocal shard]

ur opinion hurted my sensitive feelings (joke)

[junior moon]

I can see that 🙄

[vocal shard]

i said googoo googaagaa

monkey ahh (bad word)

[sour oriole]

Can someone help me in #quest-general

[vocal shard]

Can someone expand on this and put it in the canny?- Add new tags to be used when uploading new avatars.

When uploading avatars you can tag it for an outdated system that never got used. It would be great if that system could be overhauled and be more useful.

Private- standard: Nothing changes. The way private avatars currently work. They cannot be cloned.

Private- friends: Private avatar, but can be cloned by friends of the original uploader. Example: Sally420 uploads private avatar with optional friends tag. King69 is friends with sally420 and can clone the avatar if sally420 has cloning enabled. Lizzy88 is friends with King69 but not Sally420, Lizzy88 cannot clone the avatar.

Private- pedestal: Standard private avatar that cannot be cloned from the user. Avatar can be linked to a pedestal in a world that only has been created by the uploader. Avatar can be cloned from pedestal only, but cannot be cloned from users. Example: Sally420 uploads private avatar with optional pedestal tag. Sally420 also has a world and links the avatar to a pedestal in Sally420's world. King69 joins Sally420's world and clones the avatar by clicking on the pedestal. Lizzy88 see's King69 in a world and notices Lizzy88 cannot clone the avatar, even if King69 has clonign enabled.. King69 drops an portal to Sally420's world where Lizzy88 can then find the pedestal and clone the avatar.

Public- standard: Nothing changes. The way public avatars work. Can only be cloned if a user has cloning enabled.

Public- pedestal: Public avatar that cannot be cloned. Avatar can be linked to a pedestal in a world from any user that has the avatars ID. Example: Sally420 uploads public avatar with optional pedestal tag. Sally420 gives King69 the avatar ID of the avatar. King69 points a pedestal in his world to Sally420's avatar. Lizzy88 finds King69 in a world and notices Lizzy88 cannot clone the avatar, even if King69 has cloning enabled. King69 drops a portal to King69's world where Lizzy88 can then find the pedestal and clone the avatar.

Public- searchable: Public avatar that can be searched from a new menu. Similar to world searching, you can search by name or by words given in the description of the avatar.

Theres a couple canny threads asking for avatar search without anything in depth to the post. This was what made sense to me to make avatar searching possible without stepping toes of people who don't want their avatars they made public to be searchable as well I think everyone wins with that system. People who want avatar worlds to be relevant. People who want to be able to share avatars with close friends but not the world. People who want to be able to look for an avatar while in the presence of friends staring in a mirror in the black cat.

[frigid cairn]

Help, vrchat black screen doesnt get into the game

[safe inlet]

How goes the dumpster fire today

[brisk herald]

On an earlier subject. I misspoke on my Partners pc. His was built in 2017, not 2012 as I had thought I was told.

[brisk herald]

I still hate what the developers did.

[pastel wren]

One update lead to the fall of reach in VRchat

[vocal shard]

i love the update

[lethal star]

One thing I noticed since the update is that starting VRChat doesn't start SteamVR anymore. At least for me.

[lyric eagle]

it never did for me, i always had to start steamvr first

[golden rose]

We're you launching in desktop mode?

Does it give you the option to start in desktop or hmd?

[lethal star]

I know how to launch the game! >-<

[golden rose]

Ok bro

[lethal star]

Maybe TheRedFruitWhichIsMostlyWater Loader was starting it up for me up until now. Not like it's a huge problem, just an inconvenient extra step.

[golden rose]

Sure dude

[bold flame]

hi

[cyan falcon]

Hi

[bold flame]

hru

[lethal star]

[vocal shard]

[cyan falcon]

tired , Had to be social today IRL and it was draining lol

[lethal star]

I'm so sorry you had to go through that

[cyan falcon]

I dont , it was for my husband's birthday, just not good at dealing with IRL socializing

[white warren]

Hello there ^^

[wind cipher]

Y have the recents been reduced?

[worthy helm]

welcome back to the discord lol

[little bane]

rip vrchat

[granite warren]

@lyric eagle the avatar in your pfp is pretty

[lyric eagle]

ty! I made her, though the pfp is a bit outdated she has some better eye textures and shapes now

[granite warren]

yeah no problem. i really like the green you chose

[lyric eagle]

thanks! i run dont run the mint as much anymore sadly

[granite warren]

unfortunate

[lyric eagle]

she has 0-1.0 RGB sliders, so its pretty temporary. She can be whatever color im feeling that day. Sometimes i still run mint!

[granite warren]

ohh i see. ive never felt like implementing an avatar slider, because it’s too much work and i usually don’t use the same avatar for very long💀

[lethal star]

TDA

Eeeeeeeew

[fair scarab]

Does it have physics

[lyric eagle]

[lyric eagle]

yeah, for pc and quest. She has a lot of neat features and interactables, but I feel like id be bragging talking about all them here

[mint crag]

why is my soft ban extended

[still tinsel]

Is the world called movie & chill? Now.

[signal iron]

Is there any way to change 3rd person camera angle ?

[peak stag]

does movie and chill work

[keen yew]

anyone else having problem with windows 11 not opening VRC

[exotic flicker]

thats because windows 11 is malware

[west yoke]

Works fine for me on windows 11, though you should move over to #user-support-old and provide as much info about what's happening as you can.

[exotic flicker]

use windows 10

[obsidian saddle]

what happened to vrchat bruh

[full sail]

anyone want to chill for a bit? too covidfogged to sleep, but not enough energy to actual game lobby

[gleaming sundial]

Must be opening the wrong game, go ahead and try opening ChilloutVR

[vocal shard]

Open it through steam not the icon on desktop

[keen yew]

oh shit your right OMG

[frail elm]

I’m not sure where to put this so imma put it here! I’d love to meet some chill people on VR Chat :) My username is clefairily and I have a Protogen OC (a furry) which is mostly what I keep as my avatar! I like various video games, pink, cats, and cute things :) I’m 22, but I don’t like putting my age out there bc I’m very .. cringey 😭 for my age. I’m kinda shy and don’t talk much but I’d love someone to hang out with!

[cyan falcon]

im in vr right now if you wanna come hang out

[frail elm]

I just got off but feel free to send me a fr :)!

[visual geyser]

Why everyone mad?

[open crescent]

kids making tantrums don't worry about it

[royal wigeon]

EAC

[full sail]

yanno, i forget how small this avatar is until i sit in a car and cant reach the dang pedals, lol

[supple coyote]

Aww yee more toasters >:D

[trail sparrow]

Yeet my toaster ok

[fair scarab]

Could I have that avatar if your free

[vocal shard]

So how many people actually stopped playing cuz of eac?

[full sail]

For legitimate reasons: dunno. An amount
For tantrum: an amount

Only thing I know is I usually only see one or two faces pop into a room here and there

[indigo basalt]

i’m honestly really curious about that too

[full sail]

but that's also pretty average even before for my knowledge

[meager solstice]

There is a small amount that has stopped playing…. Now the exact amount (no one actually knows) game still has 73k+ people on it right now. And other games have increased their concurrent playerbase by like 700

[vocal shard]

73k? Steam charts says it went from 22k to 29k

[meager solstice]

That doesn’t count quest users

[vocal shard]

How do you see that number

[sharp saddle]

#bottalk

[meager solstice]

On the right vrc bot (in the list of users) tells a more accurate player count, or the metric website

[vocal shard]

An article says there were 90k in january does that mean 28k left

[meager solstice]

https://metrics.vrchat.community/?orgId=1

[meager solstice]

New Years is always the biggest player count….. cuz we celebrate New Years plus Christmas, people get quest 2s for the holidays. That link also is good for player count

[vocal shard]

Says 82k on 23rd and that number droped more and more every day till 60k

[supple coyote]

73336 on rn (source: VRCbot)

[vocal shard]

Yea it fluctuates

But im gonna guess its around 10 k people that use mods and create avatars which they cant do anymore

[open crescent]

you can still create avatars lol

[main rover]

yeah the removal of mods did nothing for the creation of avatars

[vocal shard]

I read on reddit eac disallows you from creating avatars and worlds

[open crescent]

you were lied to

[kindred island]

That’s the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard

[main rover]

yeah people like to lie to make the update sound worse than it is, avatars and worlds are done within unity, outside of actual VRC, so EAC does nothing

[kindred island]

Cannot trust Reddit lol

[vocal shard]

What quality of life mods are so important anyways😐

[peak mauve]

there's anarchy on vrchat's subreddit bruh

[open crescent]

it's the same screeching tantrum gang being idoitic all over the place

[kindred island]

Quest I assume?

[vocal shard]

I just never used mods for vrc so idk why theres such an outcry

[main rover]

Think of a QoL option in vrc that you use often, and then have it removed randomly, it's not the end of the world but it's still dumb

[vocal shard]

I play on quest virtual desktop streamer and steam vr is all i need

[open crescent]

kids like to find stuff to screech about, the only people with valid complaints are the ones that relied on accessibility features
but the majority of the people complaining are just the screeching tantrum gang, throwing insults and spam without any reason or logic.
mods were always banned they are just salty

[main rover]

^ accessibility is the real loss, QoL stuff being removed is just an inconvenience

[deep granite]

I mean, can people still have custom worlds and avatars without the mods?

[open crescent]

yes

[main rover]

mhm

[rugged agate]

What EAC did was make certain things harder or more inconvenient. Say, a world creator using flight/no-clip/speed to examine their map quickly. It's not the end of the world, but it feels bad.

@vocal shard The issue is less about the mods and more about how the public saw it. The EAC beta was live for 1 day, they ignored the outcry, and implemented it anyway. People see it as a loss of freedom when mods, while technically not allowed, were also left alone because the wholesome mod devs were trying to avoid stepping on VRC's toes. There are also the legitimate uses like accessibility, comfort, and fun.

Accessibility being things like CC for video players and individual players, anti-flashing mods for epilepsy, playspace rotation for chronic pain, color blindness filters, easy-to-use TTS for mutes.
Comfort for things like better sliders, flight, teleport to friends.
Fun for things like grabbing friends, speed, no-clip, avatar resizing, hardware integrations with haptic suits.

They're putting a lot of these into the game ASAP but the community is angry that it took a massive flood of negative reviews to get the devs to prioritize this. They clearly missed the accessibility stuff and rightfully those communities are pissed.

Also there are plenty of people just here to jump on the hate bandwagon because they lost something they wanted or they just want to take cheap shots at the devs.

[cyan falcon]

Yep

[open crescent]

the screeching tantrum gang also likes to think they are the majority of users, but as the player count has shown, that is not the case. Most people are fine.

And they are adding the accesibility stuff and other things, so even the valid complaints are running out of steam now

[main rover]

yeah I think TTS is either already in the beta, or going to be in the beta very soon

[rugged agate]

There's also the issue that people don't see EAC is being useful. It's seen as an update that mostly took away from people without giving much back. That's the biggest issue. Most updates have been these big feature releases so while people might get fussy, most were happy to see the devs add stuff. This one is unique in that most people won't feel any benefit from it, they now have to deal with anti-cheats, some people can't play now or need to use different tools, and overall it's just been a hassle. This is not a good feeling update.

[open crescent]

that's not entirely true the tantrum gang makes their presence known with every major update to whine about ridiculous stuff

[main rover]

does that really happen on every major update?

[rugged agate]

People think EAC is a competitive gaming thing and there's nothing to "cheat" here, and it doesn't address the biggest problem in VRChat which is crasher avatars. If that were fixed, people would quiet down because then publics could be usable again. Without mods, you're way more susceptible to being crashed because while those avatars don't require mods, you DO require mods to put anti-crash tools in place.

[open crescent]

in a smaller scale, but yes

And also, every single day there were angry kids here complaining they shouln't have been banned for using mods lmao
same with nsfw content

• breaks rules
  -gets banned for breaking rules
  -pikachu face

[sharp saddle]

Safety settings.

[rugged agate]

They do but updates don't cause a massive surge of negative reviews either. This one rubbed people the wrong way.

[main rover]

avatar crashers can be stopped with safety features, and the vrc team can't rely on mods for anti-crash when a large majority of the community doesn't use mods

[peak mauve]

Corrupted avatar bundles can not be stopped with Safety settings

[rugged agate]

That's putting the problem back on the users though. No one wants to be in a game where everyone's a gray robot because they don't want to risk being crashed out.
Besides, safety settings aren't exactly a guarantee either. People claim crasher avatars can bypass safety, which needs verification, but I can see it being possible. I know the game does some performance checks on avatars when they're switched in. That's probably where the crash happens.

[sharp saddle]

They don't have to be all gray robots. When I have my custom safety on, I do voice, (base) avatar and icon.

[main rover]

I think how the safety settings work (for particles/lights) is that the particles and lights are just greyed out / grey blobs, the rest of the avatar is visible

[rugged agate]

Either way, it's clear that safety settings aren't enough and they need to tackle the greater problem of it even being possible in the first place.

[open crescent]

the team does also work on security updates tho, these kinds of problems will probably be addressed too
and most of the stuff that mod did are features already in the game (not all)
limiting shaders
limiting particles
limiting animations
limiting physics bones
limiting avatar size

[rugged agate]

You can't just tell users "well you should have turned this setting off". It should just be the default. Few people are tech savvy and they're just going to be sitting there wondering why the game keeps crashing out. Then they'll assume it's just a buggy mess or they're being hacked and they'll leave.

[vagrant badge]

What the hell happened bc some dude is going off about Epic Games in general 1

[upbeat dew]

Can we can we stop calling people being angry with something in mass a "childish tantrum"? It doesn't do anything but make people more angry and it's very much just ad hominem.

[rugged agate]

Epic Games operates EAC. Epic is generally disliked because they use predatory practices to get people onto their platform and they also have a relationship with Tencent which is a company notorious for collecting way too much data on users in order to make money.

[vagrant badge]

Damn that doesn’t sound good

[open crescent]

which is why they keep working on security updates too

@upbeat dew when the tantrum gang is constantly spamming, screeching and insulting like idiots, it is very much a childish tantrum. There is only a very small fraction of people who try to have reasonable conversations.

[vagrant badge]

Like general 2…always a reasonable conversation

[rugged agate]

People just want to see that the problem gets fixed. They don't know or care about the details. They just want to go into a public lobby and not have everything freeze because some kid decided it would be funny to crash out the instance. It's far too easy to do right now and that's one of the biggest reasons publics are being avoided. All the cool stuff happens in private instances. Clubs, events, conventions, whatever. It's just not worth the risk to use public instance.

[open crescent]

I'm always in publics, that's a personal taste thing.

of course people want everything perfect right now, but obviously it's impossible to just magically fix everything instantly
it's more of a slowly but steady improvement

[upbeat dew]

It still doesn't do anything to add to the conversation and all it does is escalate. You're stooping to their level and dragging everyone down with you when you say stuff like that. You're not the only one that's doing it, saying those words verbatim.

[vagrant badge]

I don’t think i’ve been in a public instance for more than 2 minutes ever since i started playing vrc

[sharp saddle]

Test, you still haven't added me.

[main rover]

Some people play to meet new ppl, others play to spend time with ppl they already know

[rugged agate]

Yeah but even you have to admit that publics require a certain mindset to even tolerate.

[open crescent]

in vrchat you mean? what's your username

[sharp saddle]

^ but with a fancy "s" 'cause someone already took the name.

[vagrant badge]

Or just be by myself…i’m not very social and just play a lot of 8 ball

[open crescent]

what the hell is a fancy s lol

[main rover]

ah true, yeah some people do get on to just check out cool worlds/the comfortable atmosphere

[sharp saddle]

"S" with a little tail on it, called a "swish".

[vagrant badge]

But like…what is it typed out?

[open crescent]

Ɀ

[sharp saddle]

If you look up "Artemus", I'm probably top of the list.

[open crescent]

k I'll take a look when I play

[sharp saddle]

The only Trusted rank too.

[main rover]

How long does it take to get trusted rank? Always wondered

[peak mauve]

Artemuȿ

[sharp saddle]

For me, took about a year or so.

[main rover]

Interesting, mostly publics?

[sharp saddle]

Thanks, senko. Am too lazy to do it myself.

[vagrant badge]

Dude i’ve got few dozen hours and it still has me as “new user”

[vocal shard]

it gave back screaming fans

[sharp saddle]

Ain't about hours, it's about making friends, world-hopping, and not getting blocked/muted.

[peak mauve]

also VRC+ gives a cool trust rank boost; it's small, but pretty much enough to hop from Visitor to New User really fast, so it kinda speeds up your progress of Known -> Trusted

[open crescent]

you can't argue it is not a tantrum when they keep calling vrchat worse than hitler, threatening to kill people, doxxing devs, spreading misinformation to try to boycott the game etc
when people try to have reasonable conversations, then we have reasonable conversations, but the others? you just can't, I've tried

[vagrant badge]

Makes sense…i just don’t ever talk to other people

[full sail]

this i can agree with. just beenbouncin around to spend time and whilst some randos are chill, squeakers abound en masse and its awkward~

[open crescent]

artemuz using the zalgo characters for their username so noone can look for them

[peak mauve]

lmao, somebody just took over the actual Artemus in VRC, so he decided to do this kinda fancy move with the character

[sharp saddle]

https://artemus.cc/j7ihYF.png You were saying? (I love this image effect)

[open crescent]

ä̸́̊ṛ̵̚t̸̎͘e̶͆̐m̴͛̈u̵̅͝s̸̓́

[sharp saddle]

[cyan falcon]

If you like just hanging out with people and just talking about random shit, I'd be happy to hang out with you.

[sharp saddle]

I'm a public Pug regular, man.

[peak mauve]

btw, turn off the outline
or idk if you like it but it just makes it not rounded

[cyan falcon]

Well I can add you next time I'm online if ya want?

[sharp saddle]

Sure!

[placid narwhal]

Ayo Is there a way to fix LS Media for quest?

[graceful pewter]

not really that would be on the mapmaker to fix whatever broke

[placid narwhal]

Like my friend can’t see w/e I put on the screen

[peak mauve]

Do they have trusted URLs on?

[full sail]

tempting offer if you'll humor general shenanigans :D

[main rover]

^

[placid narwhal]

Ofc it worked the day before eac update

I made sure auto sync n Etc was on too

[rugged agate]

Trust builds faster when you do things that interact with the public. Stuff like visiting public worlds, getting people using your uploads, having people add you, and so on

[cyan falcon]

I can handle most bs lol. As long as you aren't screaming in my ear like a little demon. I'm pretty good at dealing with people

[full sail]

Its difficult to scream with damaged throat muscles, lol

[cyan falcon]

OOF, Normally just talk about life, model making and random other BS

[full sail]

thats a mood. Here is moreso just best efforts to vibe or have fun with others between naps and projects~

[cyan falcon]

Sent you a friendo request on here, 🙂

[stiff cobalt]

@valid snow

[cyan falcon]

G2 looking chill af

[cyan falcon]

o.o I see a cat.

[broken verge]

hello

[stiff cobalt]

ur playing fn? can I join?

[weary siren]

anyone tryna chill in chat

[shrewd siren]

yea

[stiff cobalt]

17

can u add me on discord ?

for sum reason I cant add u on discord

[rotund field]

Yo, I need some way to know some kid is getting banned after a recent encounter I had with them, that I am not allowed to state here over Rule no. 3 in the rulebook... mostly because there doesn't seem to be a proper channel for addressing this nonsense.

[sharp saddle]

Uhh... what?

[rotund field]

Some 14 year old kid talking about horrible shit and being jailbait.

[noble depot]

report them to #moderation-reports, with evidence - moderation won't tell you the outcome of reports for many reasons (to prevent witchhunting, liability in general, etc), but if wrongdoing is found, they will take action

[rotund field]

I can't record shit, all I got is their fuckin' bio as evidence.

[noble depot]

include a screenshot of that, and/or their username in the ticket

[rotund field]

Aight ty, I'll also give a description of the generalized shit they were saying and doing if I can.

[worldly lintel]

boob

[split moth]

Just a warning to those who are on vrc the devs are on moderating and asking people questions about Tupper please be careful out there

[open crescent]

what'cha talkin'bout willis

[split moth]

Literally just got questioned me and my friends

[open crescent]

questioned by who

[worldly lintel]

by who?

[split moth]

A dev

[open crescent]

you make it sound like someone entered your house and tortured you, but it really sounds like a random user pretended to be a dev to get info out of you

[noble depot]

as mentioned in #vrchat-general-1, this is disinfo. That's someone playing a joke on you ingame - it wouldn't even vaguely be feasible to have a moderator in even every other instance, nor would they ever tell you they're a moderator, as doing that would paint a massive target on their back.

And that's without getting into how ludicrous "moderators asking people questions about Tupper" sounds lmao

[worldly lintel]

who

[split moth]

I'll have to get the name give me a second

Ok my friends don't know the name but that person is part of a group that is hopping from world to world looking for a specific person who is attempting to crash the vrc server

[open crescent]

well that's clearly not a dev

[umbral reef]

Yea 100% that aint a dev

[noble depot]

they're not, they're people playing jokes on randos

[split moth]

They are looking for a high profile crasher to get him banned

[open crescent]

the devs can just look at the user database if they are looking for someone

[noble depot]

^ they wouldn't need to find them ingame lmao

[split moth]

I'm getting more info as we speak I'm getting word that they are hacker hunter that work for the devs

[noble depot]

they're not - you're either trolling, or really doubling down that that you didn't fall for a joke

[open crescent]

I don't think they work for the devs man

[split moth]

It was so fast we were all very confused and concerned

Just thought I'd let the community know in case other people have the same experience

[umbral reef]

Yea but the dude aint a dev so dont say he is
Its super obvious when a dev is insane asking things as they will have a special nameplate and all. Also its always worth writing down the names of someone like that so you can confirm it isnt someone pretending to be a dev

[split moth]

He's a part of a hacker / crasher hunter that works for the devs they are looking for someone who is actively trying to crash the vrc server

[umbral reef]

No one works for the devs unless they are a dev.

[rotund field]

Aight, I have reported the kid formally, now we can only hope they get banned of VRC and adopted by actual fucking parents who will raise them right and proper.

[open crescent]

I mean they might have good intentions, just be careful of spreading misinformation

[uncut gyro]

Where's the Vrchat Investor supplied brick of coke when you need it

[split moth]

That's the info I got just passing it on in case others encounter similar things

[open crescent]

lol

[split moth]

I'm just looking out for others is all as a community we have to look out for each other

[umbral reef]

Its fairly harmful to the community to spread false information around, even if your intentions are good.
Best is to get clear proof of things before spreading information your friends told you.

[split moth]

It literally just happened to me and my friends that's why I'm passing on the info of the experience in case others encounter similar things

[sly magnet]

Someone just asked you it doesn't sound weird or anything.. more weird is you believing them hah

[vocal shard]

They were looking for me

[paper pagoda]

I’ve just lost an avatar that was very important to me that was in my extra favourites slot form my mods that’s now gone. And that avatar isn’t in a world and isn’t very popular

[twilit grove]

Which mod?

[paper pagoda]

The one where you can search up the avatars and have infinite favourites when you buy vrc+

[open crescent]

depending on mods was a risky move bro, if you remember the author you could get it from them I guess

[twilit grove]

you can request the export to the mod server

[paper pagoda]

I have no idea how

[sharp saddle]

Bruh.

[twilit grove]

ask on the server of the mod

[twilit grove]

[vocal shard]

What happened

[inner fox]

hey i'm new to the server!!!

[sharp saddle]

The Fire Nation attacked. 👀

[harsh zodiac]

<w< oh?

[sharp saddle]

[vocal shard]

Welcome!

[lethal star]

You missed all the fun

[inner fox]

oh no

[lethal star]

The VRChat Civil War has sadly already ended. It's possible to have normal conversations again. What a disappointment.

[real jungle]

Was it about the eac update?

I read the dev updates and they are adding many of the accessibility updates that mods added but it does still suck in the meantime

[meager solstice]

I mean use the beta, u can use some already and play on the live servers

[vocal shard]

meow back mods

[neat knot]

im not a mod but why are they being asked to say meow-? 😭

[vocal shard]

why not

[inner fox]

omg im trying to play

[neat knot]

i- can i meow if im not a mod-

[vocal shard]

i would like to hear the mods say meow to make my day.

[neat knot]

can i meow to make your day since idk if they will

[vocal shard]

i value you but it's just not the same

[dry locust]

uuuh

[neat knot]

Ive tried. Maybe one day one of the mods will meow. Hopefully

[dry locust]

Vrcat did it already

[vocal shard]

hey @covert chasm will u meow

[split timber]

Tupper meow for us

[vocal shard]

ok i give up im going to slimeVR next to try my luck there

[autumn ice]

What are the most fun worlds you guys have been in?

[neat knot]

Horizontally spinning rat

[autumn ice]

Is that a world? Were you taking to me?

Also no idea what slime VR is either.

[neat knot]

yes.

[autumn ice]

What’s the horizontally spinning rat and what makes it so fun?

I just jumped off for the night tho

[neat knot]

join it

[vocal shard]

lets ask the real questions here. when will VRcat be ended and replaced with VRdog?

[neat knot]

I promise it will be worth your while when you join

Misko. Im sorry but never.

[autumn ice]

I believe you but I want to join tomorrow instead

[neat knot]

okay. back to making loom bracelets. UNTIL WE MEET AGAIN!

[autumn ice]

Okay now I’m too curious and have to see what it was

I’m jumping on for like 5 min now.

It better not just be a rat sliding back and forth while spinning lol

[neat knot]

it isnt

[dry locust]

diagonally spinning rat

[vocal shard]

Upside down on a unicycle

[vocal shard]

Hi everyone:))

[vocal shard]

miauw

[proven lance]

does anyone know what triggers the 'cant travel' error by chance??

[jolly ether]

Are you on the beta?

[proven lance]

no, im not

[jolly ether]

hm! not sure then, not heard of it 🤔

[proven lance]

i was sitting in fullbody and then it popped up and everytime i hit ok it would pop up again until i exited the game

[jolly ether]

just.. randomly?

[proven lance]

randomly, i hadnt moved from that spot in about 10 minutes

[jolly ether]

That's super weird, has it happened more than once to ya? might be a fluke

[proven lance]

just the once, hoping it doesnt happen again

[jolly ether]

fingers crossed

[worldly lintel]

boob

[willow ravine]

wait. eac was always about steak sauce?

[worldly lintel]

https://tenor.com/view/always-has-been-among-us-astronaut-space-betrayal-gif-23836476

[willow ravine]

yeah

[ornate lake]

So figured I'd poke in here to ask out of curiosity 🤔
has anyone had a weird bug where their mic is super quiet? ( I already fixed it by complete reinstall )
I got on yesterday and suddenly everyone could barely hear me...
discord worked fine with volume
it was the correct mic
sensitivity was not an issue
it was at 100%
was not on the beta

I just can not for the life of me figure out WHY it happened

[willow ravine]

from what I noticed. either the voice volume was increased in relation to master volume. or master volume was decreased in relation to voice volume. if you had your mic calibrated to one of those values in the past, it may have been different now.

keep in mind that's conjecture

[ornate lake]

none of the sliders was a cause
spent a good while messing with everything and none of those fixed it

[willow ravine]

yeah. the sliders are just for playback. the input device has it's own slider. Usually it should be at 100%, and on windows, check the properties in the sounds tab to make sure certain windows enhancements aren't enabled.

[ornate lake]

enhancements were disabled
🤔

[latent stirrup]

Had the same thing yesterday... Everything on 100% and people still said that it's very quiet

[dire agate]

when can i import skin in vrchat i have 11 hours of play dans i still can't import skin pls help me

[jolly ether]

Just keep playing until you're New User. VRChat will let you know when you get promoted. Spend time in public worlds, make some friends, etc!

shouldn't be much longer

[dire agate]

Ok thanks im going do it

[jolly ether]

have fun!

[dire agate]

Thanks

[open crescent]

?upload

[shy spoke]

You must obtain at least "New User" Trust Rank in our Trust and Safety system in order to upload content. You can get this by just spending a few hours in VRChat, hop some worlds, and make some friends. Give it some time and you'll be able to upload content in no time.

As an aside, you must have a VRChat account to upload content. That means you can't use a Steam account, Oculus account, or Viveport account to upload content like worlds or avatars.

Source: https://docs.vrchat.com/docs/frequently-asked-questions

[open crescent]

as an alternative, you can buy vrc+ and get it immediately (still need a vrc account)

[dire agate]

Thanks

[severe quest]

1

[full sail]

It done happened. Phone Google pushed "vrchat eac" journalism clickbait as the first add on the fresh page. ewe

[lyric eagle]

we appreciate your work chat mods

[onyx parcel]

wow so chill here :3

[lyric eagle]

yeah people are finally calming down

[full sail]

Huzzah

[dull ermine]

Aa

[agile inlet]

At least on gen2

[native bloom]

vrchat quitters?

[full sail]

My ISP is apparently riled at the kotaku add being pushed by androidGoogle. Cut out, can't ping the system back to life, and there's not a single good reason~ \o/

[cunning dagger]

[sharp saddle]

[peak mauve]

[urban laurel]

im new to vrchat and im confused on whats going on with it

[exotic flicker]

you can play the game normally and it works just fine for 85% of people, the rest are upset because the last update added an anticheat that breaks the game for them

[urban laurel]

oh ok thank you

[onyx parcel]

yeah now their time can be used more usefull things 🙂

[cunning dagger]

general-2 is the new general-1

[onyx parcel]

?🤔

[amber plinth]

?

[peak mauve]

?

[fossil karma]

can someone pls help me
im using liv object server to turn my 3rd cv1 controller into a hip tracker when i have it open it makes vrc crash on startup when i press calibrate or when i switch worlds

[full sail]

Eyyy interweb returns. We livin

[boreal dust]

I think they are in #1

[rapid pecan]

Not yet

[glossy glacier]

no

[obtuse surge]

Theyre called Steve Buscemi eyes 😎

[worldly lintel]

please no, i’d rather not

[dusk mesa]

[cyan falcon]

Yeah please no

[vale beacon]

Geez... That's 3 big YouTubers that I know of with videos on this whole EAC situation.

YongYea, SomeOrdinaryGamers and Bellular.

[sharp saddle]

Muta commentates on anything controversial, AFAIK. He has no stake in the matter.

[vocal shard]

If bellular made a video, good chance asmongold will watch it on stream soon too

[full sail]

Eyyyy nets dead again~ the lovely Perks of middle of nowhere dustbowl

Rip putzing around

[vale beacon]

True. I'm just saying that he has a pretty large viewership. Oh and I forgot that Rev's done a video on it too. So that makes it 4?

[sharp saddle]

Rev?

[vale beacon]

Revsaysdesu. He's primarily anime focused but still.

[exotic flicker]

doesnt he just make videos about dumb people on twitter? its low hanging fruit

[peak mauve]

henlo 30 second cooldown

[vale sierra]

I would like 30 seconds

[whole mortar]

Hi, welcome to General-2 30 second cooldown mode channel. Hope you enjoy your stay!

[vale sierra]

[sharp saddle]

https://tenor.com/view/napoleon-dynamite-wave-bye-gif-15387504

[vocal shard]

🗿🗿🗿🗿🗿

[whole mortar]

Opening the EAC BootStrapperIcon.ico brings me to MC Paint 👀

[peak mauve]

new Windows's Paint sucks

mspaint is truly a gigachad

[whole mortar]

Yes, indeed it does.

[vocal shard]

its like blender had an inbred child with knockoff mspaint

[worthy helm]

Cursed paint

[unreal verge]

#vrchat-general-1 sucks, but tbh i might consider temporarily leaving this server cause it's nothing but eac basically anyways anyway.

Getting tired of the discussions

[sharp saddle]

For me, it's a slow-motion 5000-car pileup.

[unreal verge]

Yeah i just gave up anyways. No discussion will change anything anymore anyways

It's all useless to discuss this.

[carmine ibex]

It's like any game. Folks rage and they'll get over it. Company knows it too. Happens in any community basically. Just don't participate in the chat rooms for a bit

[unreal verge]

Tomorrow we hit the 1 week milestone

[carmine ibex]

...... 2 weeks then haha

[void hazel]

pee pee

[worthy helm]

https://tenor.com/view/dono-wall-talking-wall-bricks-gif-17741481

How it feels to chew 5 gum

[wet tulip]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/732088880303702086/1002275296134836274/Made_BY_CoastSilly_The_Betrayed_Trim.mp4

[wet tulip]

Foolish to think that this will be the same

[lethal hawk]

anyone know any good the boys avatars for quest 2?

[full lily]

You know that there's a channel for that right?

[lethal hawk]

sorry im new idk alot

[full lily]

Oh oki. Well now you know.

[wet tulip]

Leave while you still can. we are in an age of corruption and backstabbing. save your innocent soul

[lethal hawk]

never. I will survive

[wet tulip]

may the soul of (that one mod because censorship on this server is horrid) protect you on your travels...

[lethal hawk]

thank you sir. I will now be on my way.

[wet tulip]

safe travels, young one

[carmine ibex]

Foolish to think it'll be any different.

[wet tulip]

foolish to think that it will be the same

[robust spire]

Does anyone use TTS here? The latest update broke everything for me curious for whats the best way to do this.

[carmine ibex]

Follish to think that that it'll be any different

[wet tulip]

foolish to think that it will be the same

[carmine ibex]

foolish to think that it will be any different

[wet tulip]

foolish to think that it will be the same

[hasty holly]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/678549220046667797/1003417506851082351/Capture.GIF

need more be said.

[north onyx]

Foolish to think that EAC is getting removed

[gritty flicker]

Foolish to think

[robust juniper]

Foolish to

[river flame]

fooly cooly

[vast tulip]

Use your speech engine normally though voice meter routing the engines output to a virtual mic. A way better /normal setup then using a vrc mod for it

[river flame]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RaBp1w8KpO0

[robust spire]

Thanks I'll take a look. I had no speech engine my mod just did everything for me with just one simple install link. No Virtual mics or speech engines that i needed to worry about

[coral nimbus]

Prison escape is rigged

[exotic flicker]

yes, i always win

[copper stump]

ok question i want to link my steam account to my vrchat account and wated to know if i can also link a quest account as well to my steam account

so i can have one account for all platforms

[unkempt kite]

I have deleted all my files uninstalled many times and it’s still not working

How do you get the new VRChat to work with nothing in the folder

[wicked grotto]

I cant see custom vrchat avatars and dont know how to fix it if someone is able to help me

[vocal shard]

Guys I can't find the single moms in my area the hub was telling me about, any girl in this server want to replace the ladies I was promised but never had I wouldn't mind, please dm me thanks a lot🙏

[wicked grotto]

🤢

[vocal shard]

What did I do🥲

[sinful lintel]

Want to fix the problems with VR chat, use Neo's

[wicked grotto]

Why dont ise just use a different thing (eg. Google....)

[sinful lintel]

If you want change in a company hit them in their wallets.

[vocal shard]

I'm so confused, I was just hoping someone thinks I'm not joking and actually dms me

[wicked grotto]

I knoowww, but is the vrchat discord server the best place if your looking for that stuff?

[woven onyx]

Hey guys, do you know a place where i can get 3D models? I'm kinda new to VRchat and i want to find a Mortal Kombat avatar so i can use it.

[fiery flower]

if your looking for hot moms just go visit another site, a VRC discord server cant help you with that @vocal shard

[vocal shard]

Ok ok

[rigid crescent]

do you still have to do everything ingame for Neos instead of uploading your avatar from desktop like a normal person

[fiery flower]

Plain and simple

[vocal shard]

How about 16year olds?(they don't have to be mom's)

Wel it was worth a try

[fiery flower]

How old are you at first cause you dont wanna catch a case

[vocal shard]

16(in 2months)

[runic linden]

That's what I was thinking-
Hot moms but also 16 yr olds?

[vocal shard]

Hot moms was a joke😭

[fiery flower]

Some moms are into the young kids

Im into cougars so

[runic linden]

That's true; My apologies. It just caught me off guard cause I only now got up from a nap.

[fiery flower]

And im 18 so they cant catch anything

[vocal shard]

I just want a girl to flirt with while I wait for my love for my ex to fade away

[fiery flower]

Go make bank, thats what i did, dated a cougar and my ex got pissed cause the mom was hot as shit 😂

[vocal shard]

She left me for who she is persuadef is her soul mate...

[fiery flower]

But at the end of the day its just another fuck boy 😑

[vocal shard]

She won't get jealous of me

[fiery flower]

Not if you find someone hotter than her 🤷🏼‍♂️

[vocal shard]

But I love her so to my eyes there is no-one better...

[fiery flower]

Theres better

If you really like her and want her back, take her mom on a date

[vocal shard]

Try and find a beautiful gamer girl (who isn't a goth lol) has a laugh that puts a smile on your face, has a great personality, isn't actually toxic, loves you back(in my case those are rare rip), is hot, likes bikes....

[real loom]

throwing this out there: Are we allowed to promote or paste links to our VRC canny posts here?

[vocal shard]

Bro😭

(wrong pin)

[fiery flower]

Those girls are easy to find on discord, but one in a vrc server is not it

[vocal shard]

Yes but like what are the odds that it's an actual girl, she is the right age, AND MOST IMPORTANT she like me

[fiery flower]

I need a new vape, my shit just burnt 😐

[vocal shard]

Kid wtf

What😭

[fiery flower]

Wait, you turn 16 in 2 months?

[vocal shard]

Yes

Wait no one month I'm a dumbass

I didn't see the time pass 😭

[vocal shard]

Why...

@fiery flower ?

🥲

If you want to introduce me to your sister or sum last guy to do that ended up finding out his sister is lesbian

[sour ledge]

Howdy

[vocal shard]

[full ruin]

u r way too desperate. lay off dating for a while. ur only 15

[granite flare]

I was too lazy to read the announcements what does the beta do?

[full sail]

The wonderful thing about young love is that hormones super-lie to you until they balance out qnd you're not accidentally angsty anymore. Maybe you did find something, maybe you didn't. What I can assure is that life moves on and I promise better does exist out there

The individual has to create that better for themselves instead of letting things push them further back. sagenods, wanders off to brew more tea

[vocal shard]

It does

I know it does it's just the odds of finding better, like what are the odds a 16year old gamer Is gonna dm me in the year to come?😭

[vocal shard]

In I am I just want to get her out of my head😭

[full sail]

Nonzero~, though you have more than just a year to figure life out
If it makes you feel any better, because I frequent hospitals over dumb choices made I haven't had a relationship last longer than the first group vacation to the ER (( and I'm 29)) xD womp womp

[full ruin]

Try to distract yourself by doing activities you like. Or take up new hobbies. It does get better.

[vocal shard]

I do try and distract myself, I'm doing that rn I just feel so lonely lol

[full sail]

pat pats

[vocal shard]

😭

I'm being a bit dramaqueenish but having a girl leave you because she found a guy she actually loves is kinda ego crushing

Aaaaanyways I think I vented enough in a public server for the day, cyall and thx for the moral support 🙏 😭

[cosmic wagon]

😭 did they fix the lag yet..?

[vocal shard]

There's lag?

Bro I leave vrchat for a couple days and everything goes to shit

[brittle jacinth]

Stay away its not worth anythin

[vocal shard]

But I'm a world creator...

[vocal shard]

For world creators it allows you to express your ideas without having to create an entire game

Like they actually give us lost of the tools (hm hm servers) to share our world's and allow people to explore them and enjoy them with there freinds

[brittle jacinth]

I mean then get back on i aint ya daddy u free to do as u pleade

[cosmic wagon]

Ever since EAC there was a shit ton more lag and I was just curious if they at least fixed that

[vocal shard]

Wait no I take back what I said, vrchat Dev if you read this message, I want to publish public world's but I'm still on new user status, I was suppose to get the user status at 50hours~....... IM AT 70HOURS😭

Where is my bloody user status 😭

I've been developing world's for a while now and I want my status. I've been a good boy I was only kicked from a session once😭 🙏

Like I made a few fun world's but I can't publish them because I'm not "trusted enough"

try uploading an avatar first

[open crescent]

?upload

[shy spoke]

You must obtain at least "New User" Trust Rank in our Trust and Safety system in order to upload content. You can get this by just spending a few hours in VRChat, hop some worlds, and make some friends. Give it some time and you'll be able to upload content in no time.

As an aside, you must have a VRChat account to upload content. That means you can't use a Steam account, Oculus account, or Viveport account to upload content like worlds or avatars.

Source: https://docs.vrchat.com/docs/frequently-asked-questions

[young rover]

Have they said anything about an avatar search function?

[open crescent]

Ah, worlds.but you were not "supposed to" time is not the only factor and none of the numbers are public

Also I think time on private worlds doesn't count

[vocal shard]

I did

[eager wind]

if your idea of "the best steak" is without sauce, i bet you eat it caveman style over a firepit fire, while drinking black coffee

[vocal shard]

Yes but you can't upload to the labs

[vocal shard]

Half my in-game time is spent testing and fixing my worlds🥲

[trail sparrow]

Hi

[open crescent]

You could buy vrc+ for a boost

[vocal shard]

any1 trynna play inna lil?

[vocal shard]

The way you say hi doesn't sound smart tbh

[trail sparrow]

Bro

[eager wind]

you can say hi but without caps :p

[trail sparrow]

Read my name

[vocal shard]

Bro fr they are gonna make me pay 10$ to upload a world that only ads content to there game making THEM money?????

[eager wind]

i bet they sleep on their money like scrooge Mc.Duck

[vocal shard]

No I don't bet that but still come on that's not cool

[trail sparrow]

So how is everyone's day going

[eager wind]

"Hello! i like money!" what was your inspiration behind the success of your creative platform?? "money!"

[regal vortex]

Or, be like everyone else and just, use the platform to get ranks. Make friends, hang out with people, get cool people to add you that you enjoy.

[eager wind]

and then rip from the game with them behind your back to follow you

[vocal shard]

They pretty much own the closest thing we have to the metaverse and they are restraining creativity

any1 trynna play inna bit?

[vocal shard]

I don't have vr yet so ye the most enjoyable thing I can do is make world's and watch them come to life

[regal vortex]

Mods being gone doesn't limit my creativity with models, or worlds I may make... idk what you mean limit creativity. UDON added so much possibilities and avatar 3.0 even more, even the recent updated that doubled our avatar parameters

[vocal shard]

Idc about the update, I'm talking about the fact you have to play 50hours in a public loby before you can publish

[eager wind]

you do?

[regal vortex]

Gives you time to learn the platform, get inspirations from existing worlds and avatars, ect plus meet cool people

[vocal shard]

Ik but like I don't have vr yet so I want to be able to creat world's that I will be able to enjoy once I get vr in September

[regal vortex]

I understand. But be the best person you can be (without being fake) in worlds, friend people and you'll get there in no time

[eager wind]

i still wish my favorited avatars didn't just get deleted without letting me know what the avatars were. so i could go look for them. better yet, why not a function to not only search up the avatar author, but also the avatars they made. for authors who haven't made / don't make worlds

like my friends, who i've known since 2018

[regal vortex]

They're thinking about it.

[vocal shard]

Ok fine I will play more, not rn because I'm vacation lol(Nothing would make me more happy than to join a public session of my world and see people enjoying themselves)

[eager wind]

oh boy. i sure hope i don't get crashed

[regal vortex]

It's enjoyable playing Murder again in public worlds, no more cheaters :P feels natural again

[vocal shard]

I don't understand the game😭

[eager wind]

omg don't even go there. my world was literally crashed yesterday

[regal vortex]

Still hate tiny avatars though lmao
I've played a few hours, no issues.. besides tiny avatars lol

[eager wind]

just because vrchat as EAC to stop modding, doesn't mean it hasn't been bypassed already. like cheaters in fortnite as was boasted. and ppl are still force TPing me out of hte world with everyone else

[vocal shard]

Guys don't get angry at the Devs, violence isn't the answer......ITS THE SOLUTION 😠

[regal vortex]

Even if it does, it'll be Much, Much, Much less rampant then it was before.

[eager wind]

it's only a deterrent remember. not an actual protection

[vocal shard]

Like condoms

[eager wind]

a door that is closed, but unlocked, is less likely to be robbed than a door wide open

[regal vortex]

🤷🏻‍♂️

[vocal shard]

Or at least that's what my mom said when I asked why I was born

[open crescent]

It's optional bro, either that or keep playing. And it just gives you a boost

[regal vortex]

Again, Much, Much less rampant. That's all I care about. Every. Single. Lobby had people noclipping everywhere, half of them had people that would make every item in the world circle someone that blocked them, ect.

[vocal shard]

Ok well playing it is

Y'all have a good night:)))

[eager wind]

hmmm. it's only less rampant till the flood gate is opened. once the cheat is inevitablly broken and made publically available for malicious intent, everyone will use it all the same, again. and this time there's no safety

and this is why VRchat has to tell us directly not to go in public rooms

[vocal shard]

You can't?

[eager wind]

it's recommended not to go in public rooms. not that they can stop ppl

[vocal shard]

Why...

[regal vortex]

I love public worlds, already clocked 15 hours in them, haven't crashed yet :P

[eager wind]

well crasher avatars for one... and ocne rippers make a comeback

[vocal shard]

Ok ok

[thorny dragon]

VRChat dick riders are angry that people criticized their beloved game devs who dont give two shits about them.

[regal vortex]

Nooo please don't rip my public avatars

[eager wind]

i don't think you know how rippers work do ya?

they have avatars that are privet, public and unlisted. even my own private avatars are on there

[regal vortex]

Think not going to public worlds is going to do fix that? They scrub the API for that shit

[eager wind]

you should check it out and see how many of yours are there. if you can even make private avatars

[regal vortex]

Naw, I don't care. All of my avatars are bases with simple re-colours and shader changes. Nothing too personal.

[eager wind]

what do you mean not oging to public worlds is going to fix that? is private worlds not safe either?

[vocal shard]

Good night everyone, nice to see the vr chat community is sticking together and not fighting over stupid shit☺️

[queen mango]

Private worlds are not secure these days?

[regal vortex]

They're more secure with the recent update.

[eager wind]

idk. i guess not. if we're being told it's recommended not to go into public worlds due to crashers and stuff, then idk why we should worry about private worlds owned by us with only our friends

[hollow ingot]

Not logging in-game won't save you either then I'd guess.

[vocal shard]

How's it going ppl?

[vocal shard]

Everyone is fighting

[eager wind]

well, that IS true. since compromised accounts are not safe since they can jsut be logged into game without you

but it heavily depends what the context is

[regal vortex]

The funny avatar stealing store does public API abuse to pull avatar ID's, pictures, descriptions, and I think can even include your avatar bundle? idk it's existed for years. Unsure if it actually contains your avatar..? I think if it did, VRC would have done a cease and desist

[vocal shard]

Whoop, why?

Idk

[eager wind]

VRchat wont do anything. it says so in the ToS
they're basically stepped back from any responsibility so they can't be sued

[tidal cape]

people do things, things against tos, people still do the things, game enforces tos, people angry

[eager wind]

this also means VRchat has nothing to do with your own issues resulting in your property being stolen from their game which you use your content on

[fiery flower]

Go to bed @vocal shard

[eager wind]

in short, it means "good thing i'm not you"

[fiery flower]

I see you typing

[regal vortex]

I remember before EAC, they started better enforcing their User Guidelines regarding doing uwu and posting it online -- ya know, the Community Guidelines thing everyone agreed to when making their account. Then suddenly everyone went surprise pikachu face and getting angry that they can't post their UwU all over twitter

[vocal shard]

Ok fine 😒

[fiery flower]

Go get sleep or you get your ass whipped by your parents 😂

[eager wind]

pffff lol

good night tab :p

[vocal shard]

😭 good idea good night 😭

[gray narwhal]

All worlds are safe

[eager wind]

well, i'd hope so

i don't see the reasoning in being told to be careful about going somewhere such as public worlds, if it's meant to be safe

[gray narwhal]

Classic fearmongering so people who are against said update and VRchat as a whole atm use it to try and scare others away from the platform because they believe they’re right and blah blah

Plenty of reasons honestly

[eager wind]

idk.. just because it's fearmongering, is never a reason to downplay things and ignore them. it's better to address thigns rather than leaving it open and hiding it under a rug

and besides. even if it is a minority of people. it's a big minority. if 1% of the worlds said something suspicious about VRchat, it might be 1%, but that's still well over 100 million ppl who all share the same opinion

[gray narwhal]

Yea but taking into account statistics, 1/4th of the population is also idiots

[eager wind]

i wouldn't downplay it still

[gray narwhal]

there’s just no credible proof, it’s always someone’s friend

[eager wind]

there's also no proof disproving it either.

[gray narwhal]

Wouldn’t something need to exist to disprove it

[eager wind]

the disprove it is to find out if it DOES exist or not

[gray narwhal]

I mean there’s nothing disproving that like, the sun has cotton candy in it’s center

[eager wind]

mmmm pretty sure there is...

[gray narwhal]

Nothing man made has been inside the center of it

[eager wind]

well for one..... it's... a big burning ball of gas. nothing CAN. everything disintegrates just getting near it

and see, that makes a good example too. to bring up a hypthesis of whether or not cotton cnady is inside can't jsut be disproven without facts and an understanding

[gray narwhal]

I was told crack was bad for you

[eager wind]

so the claim is that there is cottoncandy inside. well it's not just instantly false if we don't know anything. so first least gather evidence and solve it with what we know.
firstly we know now after many years of sending stuff into space to burn up, that the sun is indeed very hot. second we now also know the sun is not actually a planet, but a star consisting of densely-packed gas. so the hypthesis is if there is cotton candy inside the sun, it could be possible. it would jsut have to be very resistant to the intense heat inside the emptiness of gass that the sphere is made up of

[compact shuttle]

if we are talking about how people are fearmongering about EAC ask yourself. is it really secure? of course not, its closed source, it acts like a Virus. you can't trust it with every fibre of your being without being an idiot.

[gray narwhal]

You shouldn’t trust anything with every fiber of your being 💀

[compact shuttle]

exactly

[trail sparrow]

Yo

[eager wind]

now if there is potentially harmful activities in vrchat, let's take mroe evidence to figure it out. since we can't jump to conclusions yet if we don't know.
firstly let's figure out why there is harmful worlds. what makes them harful? well, there's crashers, ripers and maybe just generally people who go around being trolls. so firstly, before EAC, we can assume that with mods there ARe crashers used with modding. now what we know about EAC is that it fixes modding but doesn't solve outside clients based on the results of people who've already found ways around the EAC system already.
secondly, what do people do if they don't cheat? probably what the game was for which leads to trolling and harassing people. which is not what the cheat system can do. thirdly, most crashign that happens now can be confirmed to be not related to modding as is with evidence of youtubers and or streamers who get affected of this. good examples are places like furry talk and chil which are notoriosu for chashers in their time before EAC.

[compact shuttle]

EAC being made by Epic should only be trusted at a max of %30 tops.

[eager wind]

that's another thing. do you really know what EAC does?

it can take routine snapshots of your desktop/video buffer

[compact shuttle]

do YOU know what EAC does? i'd assume not because it is Closed Source software with access to above Administrator Privileges made by the worst Megacorp in the Gaming Industry.

[trail sparrow]

How do you guys type so god Damm fast

[eager wind]

yes it is the worst~ that's why itt's also registed by Epic

[compact shuttle]

also, Fuck Tim Sweeny for acting like Linux is full of Hackers and impossible to safely port fortnite to. i hate fortnite but i hate bullshit even more

[eager wind]

it can also stop users from launching a game window if windows fails to install/update "correctly"

[compact shuttle]

if he's admitting that EAC is bad then so be it. don't pin shit on the Open Source community cause thats how you get your ass handed to you.

[eager wind]

it also will locate the files of "unknown" "untrusted" or "unregistered" processes and transfer them to Epic's servers

the game not launching due to windows not installing or updating correctly can be traced on goggle as an unexpected-kernel-mode-trap. you can even google that one

this is public knowledge since it's been around while fortnite has used it

it also scans the C:/Users folder along with the Appdata folder on your computer

but the general EAC isn't the point of this though. it's about what EAC does. and the point to this is still jsut that it checks your own files for malicious mods. not so much malicious avatars or people who swear or use hateful speech towards other users. however, as i've already said, this has not topped malicious modders either, so it will be only a matter of time before it makes a comeback.

it might be possible to say with this stuff that overall, public worlds are still risky. dangerous, not too much. but ppl are still vulnerable to whatever happens in a public world. mods or not. maybe you have a good experience, or a bad. but it doesn't influence the perspective of hundreds of others who might share a different or similar opinion

and right now i think it's not a very big debate to say it's pretty visual... like, you can see the visual outrage that ppl have who disapprove with the idea of public worlds being "fine"

with all that's said and done, i still think that listening to reasonable input and criticism is important, rather than trying to downplay or even just outright ignoring it like it doesn't happen. or like those people are not any more human than others. even if it doesn't line with others perspectives or our own.

[flat flower]

i need vrc friends im 15

pls

[light rampart]

how do i get beta

nvm

[worldly lintel]

boob

[acoustic notch]

Can some on do me a favor on vr chat and look up 13k_bunny and tel me if she online or offline

[edgy anchor]

no

[acoustic notch]

Fr

[open crescent]

Are you stalking her

[acoustic notch]

No she’s my gf

[worldly lintel]

bro, if you are having randoms look her up, just break up with her

[open crescent]

[hexed cave]

😳

[worldly lintel]

pay me

[hexed cave]

😂

[woeful dragon]

Thanks for the amazing screenshot XD

[bitter talon]

Amen. Really a lot of content creators have all given up hope at this point. If the VRC Team won't listen to us, won't give us updates, and not even allow us to play the game then I don't have much hope for the future of VRChat. Tried NEOS yesterday and that was pretty cool although all the content creators are going to ChilloutVR, haven't tried it out, but content creation appears identical to that of VRC, and there are a few conversion tool to upload all your worlds and avatars to the platform. Apparently NARDO just uploaded his avatars to CVR.

[sharp saddle]

What do you call #announcements then?

[bitter talon]

Oh my lord. Have you not checked the Beta? 1. They haven't implemented the changes yet. 2. They have just been taking the work of the mods without giving credit (only caught them with the portable mirrors mod).

Now they did address AMD FSR, but they still haven't given us a timeline of when we can play VRChat again for people needing those changes. They have thousands of players who can connect and been silent for 3 days now. They realize that players are saying they can't connect for a week plus and they still ghosting us. Pretty much the only way people have been getting back on is just by hacking. Which is unbelievably frustrating, why wouldn't they want to work with the community like they did IK beta to help make sure it worked? Instead they knew it would be unpopular and just dropped it with a 1 day heads up.

[worldly lintel]

boob

[open crescent]

It was a weekend, they go back to work on Monday

And there's still 70,000+ players that are playing without problems

And they are working with the community in the beta, don't be ridiculous. You are getting very close to joining the tantrum gang

[bitter talon]

I do admit I still be ranting. Frustration with a inability to connect to VRChat consistently due to this update. Although Dont have much issues with US and EU servers still having a lot of bugs here in Japan and they still haven't given us a update since they acknowledge it on The 28th. Some people still can't connect.
" 現在、日本国内のサーバーへの接続を維持できないユーザーからの報告を調査しています。"

Was the last update I got from The VRC team on the 28th via twitter.

[open crescent]

As I said, they don't work on weekends. (Except for extreme emergencies I guess)
Updates will be back this week probably

Yes but I'm in Japan too and the service is not just completely down it's not as big of a problem

[bitter talon]

Copy, I'm in Kanagawa, Right now the issue seems to stop if I connect to the US Servers as far as staying connected. But still sometimes I am getting randomly dropped/crashed. You got any fixes? Getting pretty desperate at this point.

[willow ravine]

even before the eac i had 3 friends who got banned for suggestive avatars, but nothing nsfw. it's hard seeing content go poof

[topaz ravine]

Is VRC getting DDOSS'd because I can't upload avatars or build and test. ;--;

[shell canyon]

Did you make sure you have the correct version of Unity first before asking?

[topaz ravine]

Yes, been using the build and test for hours. Went offline for a while to to wait and see if that fixed it.

I'm not the only one having this problem.

[shell canyon]

https://discord.com/channels/189511567539306508/730948173379535022

[buoyant forum]

I can confirm I'm having the same issues it also took extremely long to login

[vocal shard]

Particles limiter is awsome I probably won't get crashed anymore

[open crescent]

It's pretty good. Keep in mind this feature is part of the game since 2018.
But you needed to edit a text file to configure it so it became easier to set now

[rain kernel]

Idk if anyone knows but is gumroad a good place to buy avatars

[cloud plank]

if you find an avatar you like on there, sure

[rain kernel]

Ok thanks been seeing mix reviews on it

[open crescent]

Booth is pretty good, there's also vket

[rotund kraken]

Ooo speaking of, Vket is soon!

Anyone else excited?

[vocal shard]

Idk what that is😭

[plain merlin]

Not excited at all, buisness as usual.

[crude sundial]

Honestly with this anti cheat update I just want to rip my hair out honestly. I just recently got my twitch streaming all set back up again. And I was so excited to introduce vr chat to my channel and then this update hit and now I’m pretty much not able to stream. My main concern was that I won’t be able to see my twitch chat in the headset. Dose anyone have ideas or suggestions I can do in the mean time…I use a valve index headset

[tender scaffold]

XSOverlay?

[thorny nacelle]

Sup

[umbral reef]

XSoverlay as Cringe said, its the tool everyone used in the past and works damn well

[thorny nacelle]

Yeah I love it

[vocal shard]

guys, where are the hotties at in vrc

[inland knot]

[vocal shard]

😅 haha I was joking haha

awkward silence

[sonic kite]

dude my about me is great bet youve never seen it before

[vocal shard]

hm?

[sonic kite]

hehehehee

[vocal shard]

Is that a map?

[trail lantern]

imagine play prison map too good and got kicked

[thin crow]

Is the rumors true that VRchat is looking to get bought up and is why the dev team is pushing the EAC so hard despite the massive backlash?

[vocal shard]

What an interesting theory... to whom would they sell to?

Or rather how severe would the backlash be if they were to announce that after the latest events? Not sure that any company would want to buy VRC at the moment. There's too much heat.

[open crescent]

lmao don't believe everything a tantrum throwing kid tells you on the internet

[thin crow]

Zuckerberg probably after the failure of Metaverse

[vocal shard]

I think he'd rather start from scratch.

[exotic umbra]

yes indeed

[thin crow]

The soulless world of the metaverse will never be as fun as it is in VRchat.
Even if he did start from scratch there is not enough creative assets to compete with VRchats community.

[exotic umbra]

yup

[jagged leaf]

Why is this a tantrum throwing kid? If this was true that if anything would be a good excuse and a saving grace for the development team

[vocal shard]

Buying might not be possible. So much would have to be changed just based off of affiliation with facebook. I have no doubt that there would be some truth in selling, but that would be the end times for VRC. Maybe a year or two give or take, too much heat on the game rn.

[open crescent]

these people are endlessly and constantly looking for things to complain about, that one is just one of the latest made up rumours

[umbral reef]

What if they are planning to buy a country and build a space rocket?
Just as realistic as these claims without any foundation of truth or proof.

Its just someone creating or falling for the rumor mill this game is tained by. Lies, rumors and fabricated content is insane in this community and a major problem.

[jagged leaf]

What? Didn't you understand? IF that was actually the case and they are being legally forced/pushed into a corner due to a bad deal or anything like that they would have a valid excuse and it would actually be a saving grace for the development team, without any of those rumors being true it is simply the VRChat team making stupid decisions for the sole sake of making stupid decisions and fucking the community over, no reasons given.

[open crescent]

the community is not fucked over lmao what the hell are you talking about

[jagged leaf]

If anything they are not complaining, they are trying to understand why someone does this, why they would do something like this well knowing they are getting sent to hell and back

[umbral reef]

Aint it nice to ignore all reasons they gave you so you can say no reason given--
Also they have stated no investors or other jank like that forced there hand at all

[jagged leaf]

This is exactly what they could have been legally agreed to say, you know.

And their "given reasons" might as well not exist because it has been proven many times that none of the reasons are valid and none of the problems they outlines are being fixed at all.

[vocal shard]

Pushing for a more secure game doesn't give any hints to VRC being sold or being influenced.

[open crescent]

you are sounding like a troll now

[umbral reef]

Look your just plain being ignorant now- Go re-read the blogpost if you even attempted to read them
It aint worth talking if you just say these things while clearly having a masive gap in knowledge of what the team has stated.

[thin crow]

If EAC is not the straw that breaks the camels back for the majority of the users then selling to Facebook might not be either. It's just a rumor, but considering people cancelling VRC+ they might as well sellout to cover server and living costs.

[jagged leaf]

Look, ignorant people like you make me want to turn my fallback avatar into a crasher, just to throw a tantrum and prove my point but that would be childish. Ripping is still easily possible. Crashing is still rampant. Clients are apparently already back and were on the very first day. EAC doesn't even protect you at all. I don't even have EAC running right now, you can just turn it off.

If i really wanted to i could just start Cheat Engine and do some minutes of figuring memory values out and start flying around, it's not hard.

[subtle horizon]

hahaha this is a post

[jagged leaf]

EAC doesn't fix anything, it doesn't protect anything and infact i'm sadly one of those people who has had both their performance and loading times impacted negatively. Until i turned EAC off i was lagging, freezing for up to a minute per avatar loading in and worlds were just loading forever.

[subtle horizon]

yes clients have returned but no you cannot fiddle with CE 😝

[umbral reef]

Or you get allowed tools to do the exact same 💀
Flying around isnt the problem

[jagged leaf]

So do you really expect me to say anything nice about EAC? Yes i play Elden Ring and it has EAC too but its a legit reason to have EAC and in that game it actually works in a way that it doesn't impact ME as a user.

[umbral reef]

EAC in elden ring was an uther joke though..
You where better off just not going online and not running it 👀

Its really just that you dont understand as you refuse to read there blogposts as to why VRC did it 🙂

[jagged leaf]

Nice of you assuming i didn't because i did and its the very reason i'm so mad.

[umbral reef]

Then why are you ignoring all the reasons they stated?

[jagged leaf]

Infact their announcement AND their feedback is exactly what made it worse. It's their very stance and way they handled this entire situation that is so stupid

[cerulean kraken]

To ban malicious users and clients right?

[umbral reef]

Part of yes-

[jagged leaf]

Because i've already said it many times and many others have too and explained it in much better, more calming and generally more "contructive" way i'm just gonna link this nice writeup: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1tpF-zAvLCCPnmpMcmEUvHe_47M1F8ZLYSI3W4II0Z2s/preview?pru=AAABgmAemaQ*1bHpy-W7hmRmmROv5Hslvw#

[vocal shard]

EAC is a big step, but a natural step to a big platform. These rumors, are just rumors. I will however say that they do deserve to be discussed and explored. What VRC devs say vs do is very important to discovering what they are actually planning. Just being bought doesn't seem very likely, especially with the revenue they receive. It would have to be a HUGE sum to give that up.

[cerulean kraken]

Other part?

[jagged leaf]

Go around the internet, read all the feedback, the writeups, watch the videos, read their announcement, their official report, use your brain you should quickly see and come to the conclusion that they have majorly fucked up. If you can't see that then idk what to tell you, you are clearly blind.

[vocal shard]

Just let me rotate myself and move my menu and I'll be happy, and they have betas out for it now. I am content now. Now just work on that core limiter please. I need my FPS dude.

[vocal shard]

Okay then just turn it off and stop crying

[jagged leaf]

I've been watching videos, explanations, official announcements from both sides, listening to this chat, steam forums, reddit, canny... you name it. Yes there are crybabies, there are assholes who doxx and blackmail the devs, its quite a shitshow, the underlying message stays the same, VRChat made a big mistake.

[umbral reef]

Normally im too lazy to reply to these things but your asking nicely so. (still short and lame explained but hope you get it)

Removing of 'good' mods indirectly helps make the support team actually able to help people properly instead of finding out people used mods after asking for it 10 times when they report a bug.
Same applies for them being able to instantly ban users that use modified clients as there should not be any good mods left with the logic people are throwing around.
Way easier options to combot proton bots or other related bot clients as they can now just shoot without being scared of hitting 'innocent users' constantly.

Help mittigate theft of 'safe and trusted mods' being able to see account details they should not be able to. Opensource means jack shit towards safety- Plenty of opensource projects have been compromised for years without anyone realizing it.

[dire bluff]

Is this going to turn into a nord vpn ad?

[umbral reef]

I dont like the update but i know it wont go away.
Im also not actively ignorant in claiming it wont do shit for security like most are

[jagged leaf]

I don't support going beyond feedback as in attacking the developers personally, infact i'm even trying to find reasons and trying to understand their real motivation (because what they say officially is just what they are allowed to say and i'm sure they are not allowed to say ANYTHING, all of it is standard PR nonsense) because it would help me show some sympathy and maybe forgive them.

[jagged leaf]

That "just shooting" has worked quite well hasn't it? Banning people left and right, a lot of innocent people have been banned from this Discord (don't know about VRChat)

Heck we still dont even have a simple "Hacker" report tag.

[open crescent]

people banned from discord were not innocent, it was the tantrum gang spamming insults and flinging shit instead of trying to have a reasonable conversation
of course after getting banned they will say "they censored me!"

[umbral reef]

Discord mods are whack and i have never since 2017 stated otherwise.
Its a good thing mods here are not doing game moderation.

[thin crow]

Considering that Microsoft bought Mojang and Blizzard in the past I'm sure there are plenty of companies willing to step in on that cash cow just to monetize the hell out of VRchat

[jagged leaf]

Not true. A lot of people got banned just for asking a simple question. Regardless of if it was an accident or not it was simply unacceptable.

[jagged leaf]

With how wild and random VRC bans were previously to the big first mod banwave i wouldn't be surprised if they did.

[vocal shard]

If VRC is bought, a lot of content will be DMCA'd. The difference is that VRC is community created content vs the established companies having their own content. It wouldn't well be worth it, and it would only make VRC a barren wasteland. No one can content create without so much shit in place.

[umbral reef]

The big mod banwave was a mess because of those 'good' clients, EAC should make it only bad bad people bypass it right?
So now they can go buck wild with banning people for it after there backend is 100% sure someone does client stuff 🙂

[open crescent]

asking one question with insults, or spamming the same thing 300 times and getting banned for that sounds acceptable

[jagged leaf]

Looking at canny, "Underage" report is still one of the biggest voted features (aside from the EAC ones), where is it? Why don't we have it yet? Why don't we have a "Hacking" report? Adding a simple extra report tag is a matter of 5 minutes. If they cared that much about safety, why not start with kids that are getting molested/groomed here on VRChat

[open crescent]

still, discord moderators are not vrchat employees tho

[thin crow]

You make a good point.

[thin crow]

They do it for free?

[open crescent]

seems like

[umbral reef]

Been complaining about that since 2017 but to add onto that- Ingame reporting gives a false sense of action.
Most of these cases need clear proof (video, logs ect) and that can only currently be send in with a ticket #moderation-reports

So if you want to get people banned almost always, get proper proof and send a ticket in. Works like a damn charm

[vocal shard]

It doesn't mean it can't be bought though. No one is doubting that there are buyers waiting for VRC, and VRC just needs to add a few more features and a bit of this and that to get it ready for it. Definitely a cause for concern when EAC was implemented. It could be seen as a precursor to being sold most definitely.

[jagged leaf]

People have been giving the VRC Team a shitton of feedback, most of which anyone could have come up within 5 minutes and are much faster and easier to implement than EAC and would have actually helped safety without taking ANYTHING away, it would have been a super safe and easy way to do something good.

Second Life has this fancy "Add snapshot" to report feature (infact its always on) which could help with these reports, maybe a short video/recording feature, logfiles, anything

[open crescent]

the actual real feedback was "implement accesibility features"
and they are doing it, so that's good
insults and screeches don't count as feedback

[umbral reef]

We got a damn camera tool on most platforms already 👀
Like im 100% on you with the ingame moderation side.

Has 0 to do with EAC goals though.

[vocal shard]

Private, email reports are probably better. Especially with their small team.

[jagged leaf]

Once again ignoring the obvious here. I'm telling you you are blind.

Many have said this before, VRC has been ignoring these features for 4+ years and always said it would take so long to implement all of these that they would never get to add EAC (heck Tupper even said that directly) and now they had a shitstorm all of these are magically coming in a couple weeks? Color me impressed.

All i see is excuses, bad PR and bad management.

The sneaky attempt of bringing EAC quickly over night. They could have given it a month or two open beta while announcing that they are actively working on bringing the mod features (in cooperation with the modders) into the vanilla client and BOOM, no shitstorm. Sure some legit complains and concerns about EAC being buggy, crashy and preventing people from using it but not even remotely as bad as it was.

[vocal shard]

I think the result would of been the same.

[jagged leaf]

Okay so they fucked that up. They could have massively cushioned the shitstorm by saying "okay guys we fucked up, we are pushing for adding these features now" announcing them to be ready in under a month was a big mistake and they should have just said "we're working on it" no timeframe and give it some time pushing these features one after another. It would have made them look a lot less shady and especially less like "damage control"

[open crescent]

they should've added the features without saying anything and eventually add EAC, but the moment EAC was announced the tantrum gang would be screaming all the same, that wouldn't change because they just want to keep their mods at all costs, so the next best thing is at least adding them now

and you need to have a bit of perspective and realize they weren't sitting on their asses just receiving money for 8 years. The game has been constantly improving and getting new stuff, they just had other priorities, which they changed now. They did mention some of that stuff was already in the works just at a very slow pace because it was not prioritized

[jagged leaf]

Trust me, the way you go about things and how you package them is upmost important in how people will react to it.

[jagged leaf]

Right but it should have been their priority because the community CLEARLY voted and wanted it the most. Which just shows that they ignore the community

Again it would have changed the way people feel about it. People are angry because they feel ignored.

[open crescent]

there were thousands of people asking for different individual features and they don't have the magic "finish feature" buttton to immediately do all, so they had priorites to dedicate resources to.

also remember the game is far from dead, a lot of people keep enjoying it and having fun despite the people complaining

[umbral reef]

An insane amount of world creators asked for tools like Udon.
Just because the average VRC person doesnt make world does not mean Udon is highly important for a game like this.

Same for FBT tools, its a minority of users, they still get a lot of development time as its important.
Adding report tools should also be important IMO but next to that a majority of these things aint really

[jagged leaf]

Right. I love physbones but according to them it was one of the most requested features. So clearly they listened there right? But then there are so many other smaller quick-to-implement things that they completely ignored.

[open crescent]

all the complainers really think anything is finished in 5 minutes.
imagine a feature takes 5 days to add, test, tweak, QA etc. that's still not a lot, but then you have 10000 features that different people want, some are idiotic, some are valid, but now multiply 5 days for 10,000

[jagged leaf]

In a world full of minors it is VERY important to add underage or "abuse" report. For safety of these minors. So when they are talking about "Safety" thats what they should have done. It would have been quick and easy.

[north verge]

Just kiss already my god

[umbral reef]

As i said im 100% with you on that side, i been complaining about lame moderation since 2017

[jagged leaf]

I'm a developer myself, i've been making my own client for Second Life for over 10 years now. I know how fast and slow things can be. Easy things turn out to be much more complicated, what was thought to be a 5 minute fix turns into a whole day of searching.... and then there are big complex features which take the same time so in relation are much much faster to make.

[open crescent]

I'm a developer too, if you are a developer yourself you should be able to understand you can't just do every single thing every single user wants

[jagged leaf]

But coming from Second Life which has a "Open Source" client up for modification by everyone, i've seen that load can be spread across the devs and community alike. They could have worked with the modding community as they promised to greatly speed this up.

[bitter talon]

Hard to say that when the dev team said a big screw you to so many people and content creators. I am trying out Neos right now. But most apparently went to ChilloutVR. I know Nardo just announced his avatars are now published and assembled for the platform. Apparently in the past week it has gotten all the old features VRChat did. Because the VRC team chased them all off. That is Renamon's point. Sure the platform will be here. But whats the point if there's no new avatars and worlds and features to explore? At a minimum we chased off the best and most talented of them and it will be awhile before we start seeing quality content again.

[jagged leaf]

Right i don't (because i don't like most of these features in my own client that is first and foremost meant for me and then for others) but if i wasn't so declining towards a lot of these request i'd be implementing them in no time.

[open crescent]

content creators are not affected by EAC you can still make avatars and worlds without problems

[bitter talon]

True. And you should appreciate the importance of working with your user base. Especially when you are a community driven game.

[jagged leaf]

Right and thats where the problem comes in. A lot of problems (like crashers) are user generated content, it's just the nature of a platform generated by its users. Second Life had the same issue and they fixed it by... well years of fixing bugs, exploits, crashes and so on. It is impossibly hard by now to crash Second Life despite all he nonsense user content keep throwing at it in a matter of seconds. We're talking about tens of thousands of objects and up to a hundred thousand textures loading, fetching and decoding, meshes being unpacked and decoded, particles being rendered, websites being opened, millions of excessive polygons being transformed and all that.

[vocal shard]

They don't have the technical capacity to create their own anticheat apparently so mods can't be allowed lolol

[bitter talon]

Many had the exact same issue of not being able to connect or used mods. Thats why TWO OF THE BIGGEST AVATAR CREATORS Reizillo and Nardo have started working on NEOS and ChilloutVR.

[umbral reef]

Someone else will just take there place- Creators only get and keep big if they release content to a lot of people if we are honest...
In the past when creators left/protested someone else just took there place after a while

[open crescent]

and they do, they even have betas to test new features, they take feedback from players, improve the features etc

I'm not saying they are perfect I was very frustrated when they took almost an extra year to release avatar dynamics, but you can't just pretend they aren't doing anything at all or ignoring everything.

You also need to keep in mind the tantrum gang is not the majority of players

about neos and chillout, it's good to have competing platforms as that would only drive them both to be better.

But neos has crypto shit and lots of internal drama, as well as being dead for like 8 months.

and chillout had 3 players up to now... if it gets better now, that's cool I guess

[jagged leaf]

They didn't need to. Fixing the underlying issue would have dramatically lessened the problems. Something mods did. Like implementing a configurable hard cap on loop iterations in a shader to prevent easy infinite loop crashes.

[bitter talon]

True, but you never, ever wanted to lose such talented developers. Whats worse is they now will spread word and opinions if that platform even worsening the issue.

[jagged leaf]

Which is something i could do right now. I could modify the shader on my fallback to have one infinite loop and it would crash everyone (except me because i don't see it)

[vocal shard]

The majority of the problem are kids with clients coming in and ruining people's games. At least with a screen, it will get rid of most of them.

[open crescent]

modifying the shaders caused visuals to break, and world and avatar creators to be frustrated because people were complaining things were broken when it was the fucking mod doing it
i.e. that's not a great solution yet

[jagged leaf]

I have never seen a world or visual break. People just like with an official implementation simply overtuned their settings.

[bitter talon]

It is incredibly easy to make a avatar that will crash a whole lobby with a good rating. Hell it can be even your fallback. Stupid simple. And now because of EAC we have nothing to prevent crashers like that.

[jagged leaf]

People are stupid. People will do stupid things, i learned that the hard way. I've made a lot of things that i thought were idiot proof, they teached me that no matter how much i automate it, no matter how much tooltips and warnings i put in, they WILL ignore it and break it.

[open crescent]

I've seen content creators complaining about it here, users reporting stuff caused by mods not only affected vrchat

[vocal shard]

I'll be honest with you, my time in public worlds have been awesome because there isn't some jerk flying around the map ruining it.

[open crescent]

disable shaders then

[jagged leaf]

I have only seen that very rarely and it wasn't them crashing us it was them simply switching to a laggy avatar that shot down all quest users (and shortly after all PC users)

[open crescent]

disable shaders, limit particles, limit physbones, maybe disable animations for people you don't know if you want to be safe. also limit avatar size

[bitter talon]

You don't need shaders. You can crash people with just a few basic tweaks of a normal avatar if you know what you are doing. I'm a complete moron and I figured it out so it wouldn't take much for a smart kid to do the same.

[jagged leaf]

But you will disable shaders for EVERYONE on a given rank, thats not good. I want to disable shaders only one a specific avatar or person. The settings need more granularity. A one button to rule them all solution is no solution at all.

[open crescent]

there's still work to be done but the available options do a good part of it.
and vrchat has also been adding security updates it's not like they just don't care

[jagged leaf]

All of these are things i never needed with mods. I was ALWAYS running around with everyone fully visible (like it should in a virtual platform like this) and all their effects shown and i only disabled them if they had malicious intend, i practically never crashed and never had any issues with frameratess.

[ebon comet]

I crazed like so many times is black cat

[jagged leaf]

Now i can't even start VRChat most of the time without forcefully closing EAC midway through, completely disabling it or if it works i have to put up with constant lag, freezes, long loading times and random disconnects

[ebon comet]

Oh yea true I’ll be playing and The Who game kicks me out aka lag me out out of no where

[umbral reef]

How do think your closing EAC?
As if your using the tast manager all your doing is disable the launcher and not EAC itself

[open crescent]

weren't you just saying you could just disable eac and have fun, what's that got to do with it then
(tho my prediction is that's not gonna last long likely if that's the case)

[jagged leaf]

I'm killing the hidden background process thats running while VRChat is running.

[umbral reef]

Yea thats the launcher

[vocal shard]

probably why you can't start vrc lol

[jagged leaf]

Wrong. I can't start it because most of the time it simply crashes for what i assume is the check for valid unmodded files. Then sometimes it actually goes through.

[vocal shard]

Fresh install and deleting any mod folders might help you.

[jagged leaf]

I'm not stupid, thats what i've done on patchday

I can show you my folder if you want if you don't believe me

[vocal shard]

I think that's something you should probably contact support or #user-support-old.

[jagged leaf]

It's a problem with EAC not VRChat specifically, they won't help me.

It's the reason i hate EAC. I've been scarred from Vermintide 2's implementation which was arguable much worse (much more invasive and much more strict, sometimes even detecting ITSELF as modified file)

most EAC games run fine but there are always a couple that just cause problems and VRChat for something that has such a half-assed, easy to bypass, basic implementation REALLY should not be causing this much trouble

[bitter talon]

The VRC dev team here are idiots based on how they actually implemented EAC. Not only is EAC lowsy, already bypassed, and slows down or prevents many people from playing the game. They also didn't listen to the community feedback that was wanting to address the serious issues. The only reason they pushed EAC was because they already had the higher ups contract EAC and pushed it out by the community team and devs. Since they had to implement and knew the community would be a little upset, they did it with a 1 day head up!!! No working with the community at all, no open beta testing, nothing. So we got a crap product that does nothing other than basic level protection and prevents people from playing the game.

Then when the community address these cissues and ask for a temporary roll back, heck even a week, 2 weeks, to trouble shoot and beta test. THEY INSTEAD DOUBLE DOWN AND SAY NO TEMPORARY ROLL BACK, AND THAT THEY WILL SLOWLY GET THE GAME BACK INTO A PLAYABLE STATE.

Wth? Why would you make the game unplayable for so many of your users that depend on VRChat to talk to their family and friends?.

Thats why the VRC team doesn't care about its users. And thats why people and content creators are furious. I couldn't care less if you have a mod or not. I just want to see my friends and family in VR. But apparently VRCHAT team doesn't give a crap about that, you me or anyone of us.

+we wanted a anti hack system. Many people had mods for antihackibg. Instead now we don't have any protection (other than literally a basic level).

[jagged leaf]

Which is sad, i love VRChat, it spoiled me, hence why i'm so incredibly mad. I care a lot about this game, my 4000 hours of VRChat in under 2 years just go to show how much i like it

[vocal shard]

I can see why that would get you upset especially if you can't even enjoy the game. If you did exhaust all options in order to try and fix the problem then that's really bad that no one's doing anything about it.

[bitter talon]

❤️ Thanks man. I've been missing a lot of friends. We still have discord and other games. But it ain't the same as sitting next to them in the same virtual room watching a movie together. I've really been hurting.

[umbral reef]

If i can ask what is stopping you from still doing the movie thing?

[jagged leaf]

most of them cant even watch the movies with EAC on (they have to disable it too)

[open crescent]

listening to the community is not just "reverting the update"
that's just the tantrum

[vocal shard]

I think some people are completely out of it at the moment and need to calm the hell down.

[jagged leaf]

personally i haven't tested it yet but i wouldn't be surprised. Apparently it was broken on quest too (but has been fixed)

[vocal shard]

There's also so much misinfo and straight up lies floating around.

[umbral reef]

So you havent tested it but still make claims about it- Bit whack

[jagged leaf]

There is but i doubt my friends are lying to me.

[jagged leaf]

Read again, i said they can't watch them. I didn't say its a fact that everyone cant. I'm saying that there are people who can't, my friends for instance.

[vocal shard]

Have you tried just fresh installing, then not touching anything in your processes or folder and just launching the game?

[bitter talon]

Your right. We all want the game to be better. The reason so many people are upset is that the dev team knew a few people wouldn't like the update, so as oppose to working with the community to make sure the update would work on realese and beta test (Like they've done with pther major updates), they gave us a 1 day heads up and prevented so many people from joining. Uts their treatment of the community that is what has us upset. We are asking for a roll back just so that we can fix the issues with it prior to release.

[umbral reef]

Most of them applies more then just some people...
Also a lot of stuff is really just outdated drivers and stuff 👀
If they visit the support channels odds are they can get it solved

[bitter talon]

Instead we now have a crappy anti hack that doesn't do anything but the most basic level of protection and bypassed on day one of release.

[jagged leaf]

Yes. I just freshly restarted my PC today. Clean run directly into VRChat. Most of my attempts ended in a premature crash.

[bitter talon]

Yes and I still am crashing.

[jagged leaf]

Quest version (which i was using while PC was booting) worked fine, much better than the PC version and thats kinda sad.

[vocal shard]

I wonder if anyone else have had problems like this before?

[bitter talon]

Quite a few from just my local friends group

[umbral reef]

With the video player? Heaps, its by far the most complained about problem every update, even small ones.

[jagged leaf]

I can start VRChat with 100% success if i start VRChat.exe directly (without EAC) but then i won't get past the infinite black loading screen.

Between the EAC Init and the actual VRChat window starting up something is crashing and that is most likely the validity check

[vocal shard]

Launch steam and VRC as admin?

[peak mauve]

this channel is gen-1 now? or subsidiary of #user-support-old lul

[jagged leaf]

As stupid as it is and as much as it should NEVER be required (especially not on an admin-privilege user) i'm already doing that (had to for another game)

[vocal shard]

No this is the general-2 VRC channel.

[jagged leaf]

I have not tried the Open Beta yet tho

[peak mauve]

You definitely should, those new features are literal game changers

[bitter talon]

Agreed. Just for right now I do believe people strongly voicing their frustrations and concerns to the VRC team is important. We all care about the future of the game. So many people have spent a lot of time developing for the platform and want to help it grow. The VRC team needs to learn that they need to work with the community as oppose to stabbing them in the back essentially.

[jagged leaf]

I know. I've had them for months. But does it add a clock to my main menu? Player history and instance history?

[open crescent]

mods have always been banned there's no stab
and they are working with the community. read the blogposts

[vocal shard]

Looking forward to the horizon and menu mover. They are looking pretty good so far, but I still need to try the beta builds.

[bitter talon]

Sorry wasn't referring to the mods, I should have clarified. I was referring to the average players who can't connect because the VRC team didn't want to give a longer announcement, or a beta (LIKE THEYVE DONE FOR MAJOR UPDAYES) and just dropped the update on us with almost no lead time because they knew a few players would be upset.

Thats what I was getting at when I said figuratively stabbed in the back.

[vocal shard]

I think seeking help in the #user-support-old channel is best for you. I'm not sure constantly circling around with the same points are going to do you any good. Just gonna get people who haven't been reading the chat at all, @ ing you and totally missing the point.

[bitter talon]

Thanks, appreciate the advice
Have already been working in the user-support chat. ❤️

[jagged leaf]

Personally i want:

• Options for IK, a lot of them, everything. I want to be able to tweak as much as i can. I want it to be MY IK.
• Per-user/avatar feature-level blocking options (aka only block person A's sounds)
• I want an instance history and a player history
• A goddamn clock on my main menu.
• Freeze Frame and Camera Animations, like common i like machinima.
  I doubt that they will offer me ANY of these.

[bitter talon]

No, I seriously doubt they will either.

[grave haven]

For the clock I strongly recommend XSOverlay.

[jagged leaf]

I'm on quest-link i can simply open my link menu. Still an inconvenience because it could simply be in my menu that i keep looking at all the time anyway, its a nobrainer and easy to add.

[vocal shard]

Does anyone know if the vrc subreddit is managed by vrc itself?

[umbral reef]

Fairly sure its just one of the chatmods doing so

[grave haven]

It's not official, no.

[jagged leaf]

Also XSOverlay costs.

[bitter talon]

Do appreciate the advice and help though. In the long run though the VRC team has been the worse dev team I've ever experienced (To be fair I've had extremely good dev teams in the past). And its important they know that if they continue to want wide spread community support they need to be much much much better at communicating and update release. Why they need people constantly harassing them telling them what they did wasn't right or ok. I don't care about mods. Neither do a lot of people. But I do care about being able to play VRC.

Either way appreciate the help!

[vocal shard]

Just putting up what I would do when I ran into similar issues. I'm not a dev or tech support specialist. Glad to try and help.

[bitter talon]

❤️

[worldly lintel]

boob

[peak mauve]

obbo

[worldly lintel]

bobo

[full sail]

Good morning~

[peak mauve]

mornin'

[full sail]

How goes, friends?

[thin crow]

IMO. I think the biggest issue is trying to develop the UI so it's user friendly and not becoming a feature creep in order to accommodate features that benefits everyone.

I for example don't really like touching Blender cause the UI is so complicated while I'm used to how easy and intuitive Maya have been with their changes.

[vocal shard]

#general-media

[sick nacelle]

hey does anyone know any worlds that have more interaction between vr & desktop users? like games etc. i recently got my partner to start playing vrchat but theyre on desktop and im in vr so its hard to find worlds to do stuff in together

[peak mauve]

Game Worlds I guess

[peak mauve]

Murder 4, Among Us, Ghost, Prison Escape, etc

[sick nacelle]

a lot of those require 3+ people but we dont like going in publics especially with everything going on rn

[peak mauve]

WDKS Horror Experience, VRC Doom, Laserdome 2.0, Pop Escape Room, MMD Dance

[outer smelt]

imagine vr

[cold sage]

this might be an idea that would be hard to implement but the developers talked about adding something in for a replacement for avatars after a certain distance, they showed off a model but would it be something that they could do where instead of having it be a place model it could be something that you could change for yourself? Maybe for example deciding to choose a smaller avatar for it to render so it doesn't take too much room

[lyric eagle]

They're playing with the idea of having a toggle for no avatar at all; only a circle on the ground. Mostly for clubs or other things. You'll likely be able to change between the diamond and just the circle though

[sharp saddle]

Moider 2-style?

[lyric eagle]

I have no idea what that is

[sharp saddle]

You never played Murder 2?

[peak mauve]

i miss the good old days of murder 2

[reef bluff]

There is a murder 2?

[tacit glen]

Anyone here know where I can find a Sally Dave avatar

[peak mauve]

yes lul

[peak mauve]

use #avatar-search-old

[reef bluff]

I just wanna go in there and say send me every zhongli avatar you can find

[spice pier]

I’ll give you that Google call

[lyric eagle]

Oh murder 2, I was like wtf is moider

[full sail]

That's That's heavily Italian mobster pronunciation :D

...or looney tunes. Man I forgot that existed for a hot minute

[cyan falcon]

I have one in my world

[reef bluff]

hmmm

[cyan falcon]

He's quest and PC friendly. With phybones.

[reef bluff]

I wanna see

I have a lot of zhongli avatars so I’m tryna fill up my favorites with just that

[cyan falcon]

Well you should be able to look the world up on vrchat by typing in genshin and it will have an avatar world started with Pika

[vocal shard]

Meow

[fresh escarp]

can someone explain what the "hack" does that is rumored to go around

[full ruin]

It’s literally just a false rumor

[fresh escarp]

okay I was wondering if it was just the instance stuff again which they said was fixed

i figured it was a rumor but no one in-game is actually talking about it. Guess its just fearmongering then

[topaz dew]

Was wondering if anyone wanted to chill with me because I'm feeling a bit down and just wanted to chill with people online

[peak mauve]

henlo

[viral pier]

Peace.

[primal torrent]

hey tupper can i dm you

[craggy lagoon]

Dude #vrchat-general-1 is where its at

[cinder acorn]

question anyone know if theres a way to get pinged when a friend gets on?

[primal torrent]

tupper i got an image i want to show you can you allow me to dm you

[peak mauve]

He won't reply in here, don't even try doing that. DMing will not work as well, considering the current situation, bruh.

[glacial sparrow]

I have s genuine question how is the vrc team going to moderate private lobbies and if they do manage that what counts as nsfw

[primal torrent]

ok

[edgy anchor]

maybe vrcx?

[vocal shard]

If he has privacy on then he don't want people that isn't his friend to DM him.

[primal torrent]

ok i was just wanting to send him some discord profile and banner pics

i also have some textures he can use for vrc if he wanted too
i got bored

[vocal shard]

You should give stuff to people you know instead, you could try to tweet him though

[primal torrent]

whats his twitter

[vocal shard]

Its linked to his discord account if you click on his account

[thick river]

!online

[empty sigil]

imma ask here, gen 1 is going off again
is there a way to have VRC screenshots stored on a separate drive?

[ruby needle]

You could symlink the folder to a different one

[lament zinc]

As a side note to the chaos in general 1.. I get the feeling this Discord might need a "be joined for X amount of minutes before you can msg" thing if there isn't one. Just shooting that out there.

[humble fox]

‼️ Anyone know where I can find breaking bad avatars? ‼️

[lament zinc]

First, #avatar-search-old. Second, have you tried searching breaking bad, a main character's name, or a popular setting piece from the show in the VRChat world search bar?

[humble fox]

Yes yes and yes and #avatar-search-old is a mostly dead channel I’ve searched “breaking bad & Walter white & los pollos hermanos” and stuff

[reef lark]

does virtual desktop still not work?

[ruby needle]

What do you mean?
It didn't stop working.

[wind cipher]

I was playing keep running talking to this guy was really nice turns out he was the owner and I didn’t even know it at the time

[ruby needle]

You can use Virtual Desktop with the Steam Version of VRChat without issues.

[reef lark]

really? i heard that it didnt work anymore due to the update

[wind cipher]

I’m glad they fixed url links

[ruby needle]

You can not use Virtual Desktop with the Oculus Store version, but Steam one works just fine.

[reef lark]

so i cannot play vrchat through vrdesktop with my oculus?

[ruby needle]

vrdesktop?

[reef lark]

virtual desktop 😭

[ruby needle]

Please read what i wrote before.

[reef lark]

um ok

so can i or can i not play vrchat through the virtual desktop that was bought on my oculus?

[ruby needle]

You buy that on the store for the Quest it self, don't you.

The PC client is irrelevant, no?

Yes

But that's irrelevant

You can just use the Steam PC variant with it since it's still licensed through the quest.

You can just not use the Oculus PC Client but need to use Steam

No

You can not use it with the Oculus Home software

But with Steam directly

Virtual Desktop for the Oculus Home software is what is no longer supported.

Steam is.

No

You can use your Quest with Virtual Desktop and Steam.

We're talking about virtual Desktop

A thrid party implementation that doesn't care

The official Air Link sure doesn't, but that one still works with the VRChat build on Oculus Home.

Through the Oculus store

That's the quest side

The PC side is completely irrelevant here.

I think you fail to understand the issue here.

Quest and PC are 2 different thigns

[graceful pewter]

basically you're installing different software on the quest itself then the computer

[ruby needle]

Yes

The Quest part is irrelevant

You can use it with either the Oculus PC version, or the Steam PC version

We're purely talking about the PC side where you now have to use the Steam one.

[tame surge]

I think there’s a bit of confusion, because in order to to use your Quest 2 wirelessly with the PC version of VRC, people normally use the Quest version of VD along with VD Streamer on PC. But people don’t know if you can run the PC version of VRC with your Quest 2, wirelessly, using the PC version of Virtual Desktop. There seems to be no “airlink” with this method.

[shadow ermine]

I play vrc on my quest 2, wirelessly, virtual desktop and all.

virtual desktop on the quest 2 (from the oculus store).

virtual desktop client running on my pc.

vrchat booted through steamVR

[green topaz]

My fingers don’t work in game anymore (rift s) and it started after the update wtf do I do

[tame surge]

So you run virtual desktop on both ends? So instead of Virtual Desktop Streamer running off the PC, you run an instance of Virtual Desktop?

[shadow ermine]

? I run the virtual desktop streamer on my pc, and it streams to the quest 2 (which is running a virtual desktop client)

you buy the app on the quest itself, and install a free streamer app on the desktop

the only thing virtual desktop does is presents the quest 2 as an available VR device.

The oculus PC software acts as the driver for it and then steamVR can use the headset

I even have mk3 vive trackers and base stations for them running at the same time. so steamVR is seeing my trackers, my base stations, and my Q2 / Q2 controllers

[tame surge]

Oh okay, I thought it was no longer possible due to this update, that's why the confusion: **Virtual Desktop Users**: Using the Oculus PC version of VRChat via Virtual Desktop no longer works, as it utilizes DLL injection which is blocked by EAC. Please use Oculus AirLink or the Virtual Desktop with the Steam version of VRChat instead!

[shadow ermine]

nope. still works the same as ever. you just have to launch vrchat (on your pc) from steam, not from the pc oculus store.

@normal fable @reef lark if you were still wondering

[tame surge]

Got it, thank you!

[reef lark]

this whole conversation hurt my brain

[opaque leaf]

you buy virtual desktop the app on the quest store, you launch that and connect to your pc, you then launch steam vr, while in steam vr, you launch vrchat

[reef lark]

yes

[opaque leaf]

this is the way

[shadow ermine]

i miss when the biggest controversy was ugandan knuckles

[nova horizon]

anyone know how to bypass the unintentional banning of anyone with a PVM computer?

[reef lark]

does anyone know a cheap laptop that can run vrchat? is that possible?