android-discussion

[wet sorrel]

@flint wasp The best you can is leave feedback in the canny. But if you find anything that breaks the game, that is helpful. Accessible from #android-announcements

[keen dove]

Saw a thing on the VRCHAT website saying that there was IOS beta testing, i clicked it and put in my information. Didnt really have time to read it. Do you automatically get into the channel or is it a whitelist/blacklist situation?

I havent seen a new channel for it so i was just wondering if i did something wrong.

[naive bluff]

It's a closed beta.

[sharp thicket]

I applied like 2 and a half weeks ago for the iOS closed beta I am waiting for the email

[reef venture]

Is the Android version out of beta yet?

[naive bluff]

It either hasn't started yet... or you didn't get chosen.

[surreal trellis]

If I add a note to a friends profile will they see it? I want to take note of who they are

[heady sparrow]

notes are a you thing

[hardy garden]

I LOVE the notes. I have a terrible memory and so when I get a new friend, I instantly add a note at least mentioning where we met, but then anything else that might help jog my memory.

But yea, only you can see it

[surreal trellis]

Perfect thank you!

[surreal trellis]

I have the same problem!

[ocean plover]

Hello

What's the best world to find avatars for mobile? haven't been able to find one

[naive bluff]

Mobile avatars use the same avatars as Quest (that are at least Poor or better).

[ocean plover]

Yea Ik I just haven't been able to find a world where I don't struggle to find avatars with gogo loco

[hardy garden]

Silver's Pizza Place Avatars. I might be biased, but it's got very performant avatars with gogo loco.

The avatars are stylized as cardboard, so it could make or break it for ya.

[heady sparrow]

it being cardboard is kinda funny

[ocean plover]

thx I'll give it a look

[proven plover]

does anyone have any avatars worlds to recommend?

[hexed iris]

Mines, but none with gogo loco or anything memorable/favorable for most people 🫠

[ocean plover]

Man All I can say is good luck 😂

[tacit stag]

Prismic’s Avatar Search

[ancient birch]

Does anyone know why unity is disabling the Android switch from Windows?

I've had 2 projects doing that and Idk why

[potent cape]

Ngl, the mobile app runs fairly well. I always run into trouble of mic not working anymore and/or sounds goes mute. Sometimes I can reload the world, sometimes it reload the game. Same thing with my quest, however I can just walk away from the space, walk back in, and it resets

[supple raft]

Why am I getting group notifications on android from groups that I have announcements I turned off?

[ivory elm]

its happening again, vrchat android no longer loads?

happened randomly a while ago, tried clearing cache, data, etc, with no luck at all. not even different accounts or reinstalling worked somehow

[naive bluff]

What device?

[ivory elm]

Samsung S20FE

[buoyant stump]

I dunno how to work with the mobile app, it keeps showing me as fallback no matter what avi I turn into
How can I fix this

[native igloo]

try use non-very poor ranked avatar.

[buoyant stump]

I tried avis which has nothing
I tried all kinds of avis
I have no avi that it will allow

[native igloo]

go to avatar world and try.

[naive bluff]

If it has on it, it cannot be used.

[native igloo]

also require to support android as platform

[buoyant stump]

All avis I have has that symbol... so the app is of no use

[naive bluff]

No, you just need to look harder.

There's plenty of Poor and better avatars...

[buoyant stump]

But not from the subject I like

[naive bluff]

Well, then the app is clearly not for you.

[native igloo]

or
there are more than enough amount of avatar world exist. better look around.

[ivory elm]

You could buy assets and make your own android versions, but otherwise, out of luck

[ivory elm]

downgraded the app, no luck

[ivory elm]

this app never fails to confuse me
every time I restart my phone, it has a slight chance of working and not working ... why???

well issue is solved, you just have to restart your phone anytime its stuck loading, which is how i fixed it last time

[snow adder]

I'm not sure if this is an issue with my headphones or something in the app, but there are rare instances where my audio gets completely cut off and I can't hear anyone nor can they hear me. I'm on a Motorola edge 2022 running android 13.

[light wind]

Likely missing the android build components for that unity installation

[ancient birch]

I have Android installed though

[glacial compass]

Vrchat still runs in unity while gta and others dont they run in nvidia

[naive bluff]

.... The fuck did I just read?

[dark crow]

anyone know how to play on vrchat chromebook? do i have to go into beta mode on my laptop in order to play it? because every time i try opening it, it closes, also the app says vrchat beta so idk, and help is ver appreciated lol

[naive bluff]

Uhh... you can't?

ChromeOS isn't the same as Android.

It's effectively a Chrome browser built into a laptop. Te only things it'll run are web apps.

[dark crow]

why would they add it to chrome?

if it cant run?

[dark crow]

it can run other apps as well

[naive bluff]

👀 Care to share your work?

[dark crow]

wdym

im just asking for help lol

[naive bluff]

^

What exactly got added to Chrome?

[dark crow]

vrchat beta

[naive bluff]

... Screenshot?

[dark crow]

if it cant run, then why would they allow it to be on this

[dark crow]

yea hold on

is opens real quick then closes

[naive bluff]

That's the mobile app.

[dark crow]

liek some apps arent able to run because they cant, and you cant download it

[dark crow]

yea my chromebooks weird idk

[naive bluff]

It's not compatible with Chromebooks, unfortunately.

[dark crow]

why would they allow it to download then :c

cause some apps you cant download cause you cant play em

[naive bluff]

Because it's on the Play Store.

[dark crow]

i probably look like an idiot

i just wanna play vrchat without putting on my beefy headset 💀 😭

[naive bluff]

Assuming your only PC is your Chromebook?

[dark crow]

yea... :/

[naive bluff]

No phone?

[dark crow]

i use standalone, and i just wanna break from putting on my headset

yea no phone, i only got an iphone 12

[naive bluff]

Welp.

Sorry, broski.

[dark crow]

maybe the ios beta will come out soon :/

it said 12 pro, which is weird, but ima look to see if the 12 (regular) has 6 gigs of ram rq

i cant take it anymore

its freaking 4 gigs, while THE PRO IS 6 😭

[ivory elm]

ah, if you arent on ARM, you could mod your chromebook to get steam potentially, but performance of course will suffer on <16GB of RAM on PC, (turn on automatically hide avatars using too much memory and very poor avatars)

i havent done the process in years, so i couldnt guide, but there should be guides somewhere

[naive bluff]

👀 Very Poor is blocked permanently on mobile.

[ivory elm]

(referring to the PC version, as theyre on chromebook and could get steam)

blebleble my words are bad today

[naive bluff]

Pretty sure PC version requires x86 architecture.

[ivory elm]

pretty much the arm experience

[nimble tangle]

my bad wrong chat

[short iris]

whats the fix for vrchats mobile platform hanging up on loading? im trying to use it to cross platform test an avatar but it wont load worlds on the quick play button is stuck on loading as well.

[ivory elm]

seems to have been getting more common across devices recently. as dumb as it sounds, restarting the device has worked for me every time somehow

a bit annoying doing it after each exit of the game though, i hope its patched out soon. if not i can always report on canny

[thick pulsar]

what is this?

[half tapir]

Lmao no way. Someone has absolutely no clue.

[urban plume]

Hellooo 😄

[ivory elm]

amd users are crying rn

[naive bluff]

...?

[ivory elm]

joke about what they said

[whole girder]

Who actually plays on mobile?, the controls are so strange

[ivory elm]

raises hand awkwardly

[plush geyser]

i have a question will vrchat play on my iphone 12 mini when the beta comes out for iphone

[naive bluff]

If it has <6GB of onboard RAM, no.

[harsh minnow]

me???

cannot afford any other version so here i am

[whole girder]

I didn't think anyone used mobile, you do you ig

[wet sorrel]

Majority of the time it has better FPS compared to VR, but only a good idea when away from home

[half tapir]

i dont use mobile simply cause i cannot see any of my friends avatars there

so i only start it up to test my own content sometimes

since its the only way i can see the android versions of my stuff

[cloud terrace]

Today is when I learned about the vrchat widget. There is also an outage. Lol

[heady sparrow]

that sounds to passive aggressive

[cloud terrace]

Lol I just thought it was funny -w-'

[heady sparrow]

who knew the widget could be so passive aggressive

[cloud terrace]

Oh yeah xD

[fair leaf]

Hello
Anyone having issue that my avatar isn't showing at all in vrchat beta android

[south sparrow]

Tells you it doesn't meet performance right?

You can't use any avatar with the "Very Poor" performance rating

[fair leaf]

Yeah noticed it after
Most of avatars don't work

Unlucky

[naive bluff]

Very Poor is blocked on mobile.

[dusty crypt]

I don't know where to ask this question but is the iOS beta out for testing cause I signed up to be a tester

[ivory elm]

furality on Snapdragon 865, in a 60 player instance, still managing 20+ FPS!!

(8 avatars, Medium and below)

i stayed in the instance for quite a while, however after my phone got hot, it was coughing at around 15fps with some stutters as the phone throttled for a short moment

clipping and quality issues were pretty noticable, and given its a furry centric event, most users i came across wore PC only avatars (only about a seventh of which had impostors), otherwise, i honestly have no complaints with vrchat android, as its good for its purpose. its a good gap for when i want to play vrchat, but i dont have my quest or pc ready to play

[wet sorrel]

It is good for when not home

[stuck moss]

I have a question, my friend is on Android Mobile and asked me why he cant talk ingame. can android mobile players talk ingame or is this feature not here yet?

[naive bluff]

Mobile app supports voice chat. Is he using Bluetooth earbuds or something?

[stuck moss]

Wait lemme ask

[stuck moss]

he doesnt have any kind oh headphones for his phone so no

[naive bluff]

So, using his phone's mic.

[stuck moss]

yes

he hears everyone but nobody hears him

[stuck moss]

he has everything enabled too, i mean the setting that vrchat can use the mic

[naive bluff]

Is he using PTT?

[stuck moss]

yes

can he switch to something else?

[heady sparrow]

Iirc push to talk is the only way to talk in mobile

[stuck moss]

we still cant figure out why he cant talk tho

[naive bluff]

Check perms.

[stuck moss]

u mean permissions?

[naive bluff]

Yes. 👀

[stuck moss]

okok

there is everything right

[hexed iris]

It could also be an issue with the phone's microphone barely picking up otherwise audible voices. Sometimes I have to talk loudly very close to my phone's mic to have people hear me fairly well, despite the output volume being at 100%

[ivory elm]

one thing i hope to see is an outright performance limiter. my phone doesnt wanna cool itself down well, and ends up getting bad stutters from thermal throttling, aside from being too hot to comfortably use. ive been using the samsung stuff to prevent it but i can last about 5 minutes before it starts throttling (⁠´⁠-⁠﹏⁠-⁠`⁠；⁠)

i did have a more extended conversation in the Furality world, about 60 players with 18 nearby, and kept 20fps besides the throttling stutters. this was with poor hidden and 20m/10avatars. android is a shockingly optimized miracle ◉⁠‿⁠◉

[sharp thicket]

When the requests are going to get reviewed for the closed iOS beta

[heady sparrow]

Good question

[kind yew]

It’s been a long time idk

[brisk schooner]

Really has

[loud flower]

Issues with Mic cutting out?

[wet sorrel]

I ran thru on mobile in Furality Dealers Den 1, and a friend heard me, but it sounded like I was on a Modern Warfare 2012 mic

To them

[hybrid tendon]

Idk where to put this but how do you work vrchat mobile like it’s set up but I can’t join my friends

[native igloo]

if they are in PC only world, you cannot join.

[hybrid tendon]

Their on quest

It’s pc+quest world

I also have a quest in js testing it

[native igloo]

huh...

[native igloo]

maybe wait few minutes, restart client, and try join.

[hybrid tendon]

I’m on my quest and I’m friends with the account but it shows the account offline

[native igloo]

That's more like issue with something else....

[hybrid tendon]

I figured it out nvm thank you thooo

[ivory elm]

generally with my sound issues, tapping the power button then quickly opening the app again seems to fix it somehow

[frank mason]

I wonder how the iOS version is going?

[bright summit]

Hi guys 👋🏽

[hybrid tendon]

Reporting a bug:

1. game overheats my device
2. when playing over Bluetooth headphones after a lag accure
   The audio is completely gone.

[naive bluff]

Overheating isn't a bug, that's just normal thermodynamics.

[heady sparrow]

the bluetooth thing is normal with every phone

[stuck moss]

Heyy uhm my friend has his view stuck and doesnt know how to fix that. can someone tell me how

he cant look up or down

[dry zealot]

Quick question, where do you ask questions about the Android thing?

Cuz I do have a few

Never mind, reading info answered my question ;-;

[sonic comet]

Helpp

[hybrid tendon]

Bring back modded sdks your gonna kill your game so many creators are quitting because of this decision you made and without the content some of these creators bring people are gonna start quitting because no new content kills the game please bring second thought to this decision please a whole community of great creators are counting on this decision not to be true

[heady sparrow]

this is the worst take or the biggest lie Ive ever heard

no actual creator is leaving because some modded sdk which was never allowed to begin with is patched

just like when eac was added
guess what we are still here

[wet sorrel]

I was here since 2021, and glad the modded sdk isn't allow. I hated the early crashes from clients

Still want to see my very poor avatar on mobile

[half tapir]

"bring back" assuming they ever were allowed to begin with

also what would you even need these for

[heady sparrow]

Crashers
Thats it

[wet sorrel]

If you are talking about particles that weren't allow on Quest, you can now use additive and multiply since Unity 2022 update.

[fiery linden]

I easily adapted to eac

[wet sorrel]

The poor move was not adding the Quality of Life features before enacting EAC

[ivory elm]

boo, did i scare you, its an optimized avatar

if you know what you're doing you dont need 50mb uploads on quest

[wet sorrel]

My decision still stands on bringing back very poor avatars on mobile within 10mb limit

[ivory elm]

if they had very poor set to friends only, id not complain

but i usually keep my stuff below very poor rank when i upload to android so its not been a major issue for me

[wet sorrel]

I was fine with user only, and everyone else in fallback since the beginning of Alpha

No vrc buck purchases until reverted back.

[naive bluff]

Holy broken record, Batman.

[ivory elm]

android-general topics:
i cant select very poors
i cant select very poors
i cant select very poors
my phone doesnt have 6gb

[heady sparrow]

your money will not be missed

[wet sorrel]

@naive bluff @ivory elm @heady sparrow Others definitely want it.

[heady sparrow]

and vrchat made their decision on it

[ivory elm]

i actually don't want very poors to be added to android

[wet sorrel]

And they are being too lazy, and don't listen to the public

[heady sparrow]

riiiiiiiiight
cause it totally wasnt a feature that was changed after the launch

[ivory elm]

if anything i advocate for the 20k poly cap to be enforced (⁄ ⁄•⁄ω⁄•⁄ ⁄)

[heady sparrow]

they got information about the mobile app and made a decision based on it

which is very poor was too much for phones

which again you are trying to run an originally pcvr only game on a phone where all of the content is user generated

[ivory elm]

its a miracle the game is on quest!

[wet sorrel]

Get the Android tester in Unity then

[heady sparrow]

yes totally
a whole ass pc can properly emulate the minimal power of your mobile phone

totally

[wet sorrel]

It was only your own very poor avatar to be shown

[heady sparrow]

which a big difference between the quest and your phone is the fact that the quest was built specifically to run vr games including a weaker vrchat version
your phone is not and is constantly fighting for your ram between phone functionality and your games

its like taking the 6gb requirement and splitting it 50/50 or on the generous side 40/60

[ivory elm]

i continue to wait for the auto-generated impostors, then ill definitely switch to Android more often. for now, loading any amount of avatars is the easiest way to max out my ram and instantly thermal throttle

[heady sparrow]

in the current state of phones
having the 6gb requirement is a specialty of more expensive phones that still need it for phone related functionality at the same time as running your apps

[wet sorrel]

We had imposters, but they wouldn't stick when changing worlds when used as fallbacks

[ivory elm]

(this bug was patched in 2024.1.1 =w=)

[wet sorrel]

I know. I'm the one who made the report. But with unfortunate result.

[heady sparrow]

you were never supposed to see the imposter of the avatar you are currently wearing

[wet sorrel]

With 8 GB, and using the wings, I can still switch into very poor avatars if quick enough with selecting

Can't do it with 6GB

Just get fallback

[heady sparrow]

thats not an intended feature in the slightest

[wet sorrel]

I know it isn't intended, but you know me as being stubborn. So I test it anyway under Vanilla version of mobile

[half tapir]

by being no very poor isnt it already?

since anything above would make it very poor, therefore not available for mobile

[ivory elm]

yeauh

[wet sorrel]

August 17th, 2023 it was available @half tapir

[half tapir]

and now?

[wet sorrel]

Nope

[half tapir]

it was a bug

never intended to be available

[wet sorrel]

Unfortunately

[half tapir]

also

vrchat would most likely love to get rid of very poor on quest too

[wet sorrel]

I was fine with everyone else in fallback

[half tapir]

just that train is long gone

very poor on quest was a mistake already

[wet sorrel]

That was years ago before I even started vrchat

[half tapir]

the mobile version basically runs on the limitations which should have existed since the start of quest 2 vrchat

[ivory elm]

i was just going into a public lobby to benchmark, and ran out of ram so hard that my debug tools crashed

[wet sorrel]

Did you have everyone shown?

[ivory elm]

i was facing a corner, medium only, nearest 6

S20FE, Snapdragon 865 6GB variant

[wet sorrel]

Running which version of Android?

[ivory elm]

i believe Android 13

[wet sorrel]

I ran an Samsung Galaxy A52 with 6GB and now have an S23FE with 8GB Android 14

[half tapir]

yeah 6GB is not a lot for vrc

i also have 8GB RAM

on my phone and android 13

[wet sorrel]

That is also why Quest 3 is better than 2 on standalone. The extra 2 GB

[half tapir]

Redmi Note 10 Pro

[ivory elm]

i cant tell if you are on the side of removing very poors or adding them (dragontamerwes)

[wet sorrel]

On my current phone, I ran mobile vrc, and a Twitch stream

[half tapir]

who?

[wet sorrel]

Currently running a Twitch stream and on Discord

[half tapir]

VRC mobile already makes my phone hot enough

[wet sorrel]

I'm for adding back very poor

YouTube, Twitch, Pokémon Go for extended periods can do the same thing

[half tapir]

I'm for removing very poor even on Quest, but both is not gonna happen

[ivory elm]

just benchmarked, by joining a 20 player black cat instance. near instant thermal throttling

people walking up to me doing the little afk pose was a little funny

in the short time the GPUWatch was active, it was maxing out the CPU the most, which makes sense considering all the bones, animators, networking, etc is what really kills it

[heady sparrow]

youtube and twitch just play videos
pokemon go is an actually optimized game with no user generated content sooooooo

[half tapir]

tried to join black cat now too

my vrchat simply crashed

[heady sparrow]

very poor should stay off of mobile
(and should be more limited on quest because quest users still bitch that the game lags or crashes despite the idiot showing every very poor avatar they come across)

[ivory elm]

i recall going to the "ma toki pona vr" meetup, about 60+ players, had a glorious 6fps, and shockingly never crashed

android is a miracle

[wet sorrel]

I met one person who visited Club FYNN and didn't crash until 185 people in the instance while on mobile during Furality.

[heady sparrow]

thats nice?

[wet sorrel]

Maybe NYE will have less issues unlike the 2024 NYE.

[ivory elm]

good luck staying in any instance above 10 players without less than 30fps is what i was getting at

android phone is just not intended for large lobbies and avatars in the first place,

[heady sparrow]

what even is the point of wanting to wear very poor avatars on mobile anyways
its a shittier desktop and other mobile users wont be able to see the avatar

which very poor is not something you want to be using to begin with on any platform

[wet sorrel]

I was ok with seeing others in fallback

[ivory elm]

i will be ok seeing you in fallback

i sound like im flaming you PLEASE FORGIVE ME

[wet sorrel]

My custom fallback broke the legs of the avatar I was using while in mobile, so using a general public

@ivory elm I'm ornery myself

[heady sparrow]

you already know how to optimize an avatar if you made a custom fallback so just make your avatars more optimized like you are supposed to be doing to begin with

[wet sorrel]

@heady sparrow someone else made it for me

[heady sparrow]

that doesnt change my statement

you still should already be optimizing your avatars

you are making content for a game not a model viewing website

[wet sorrel]

And I'm not being paid by vrchat, so if I want to have cool things on it, and it is within the limits where I don't crash, and friends don't crash, then it is good enough.

[heady sparrow]

the whole point of very poor existing is that its at the worst that the game is allowed which isnt allowed by mobile that vrchat who you arent getting paid by like you said can do what they wish for it

[half tapir]

That's fine on pc, but you're dealing with a mobile platform

[wet sorrel]

I say mobile version needs 15mb limit minimum

[heady sparrow]

its still their game not yours and from their data they gathered very poor is too much for mobile

if thats what you say the minimum should be then go ahead but vrchat has already found one that "works"

[wet sorrel]

And they did try 50mb limit for a few weeks, so got to see 17mb avatar on Quest

[heady sparrow]

thats cool?

[ivory elm]

repetitive conversation now, we are talking about a large company who's already been really adamant on this decision. i say optimizing your avatars to Poor or below is more worth your time (and others's time) then asking for raised limits (－ω－) zzZ

[heady sparrow]

the entire argument is just people who does this

[wet sorrel]

And I still prefer creativity

[heady sparrow]

the only people really affected by the limits are the ones that havnet optimized to begin with

or the ones that only aimed for the bare minimum of uploading the pc avatar

[wet sorrel]

Sometimes people want an avatar with many toggles, and moves

[heady sparrow]

my avatar has 4 pages full of toggles and is still ranked medium

wanting more stuff on an avatar is not an excuse for not optimizing

[wet sorrel]

Not including standard emotes and not locomotion?

[heady sparrow]

Im talking actual toggles

[half tapir]

thats when you simply get a pc

[wet sorrel]

I have a pc

[half tapir]

if you need fancy stuff go pc, vrc mobile is basically vrchat lite

[wet sorrel]

I was thinking vrc mobile would be a good Quest tester even for very poor

[heady sparrow]

you shouldnt need to be testing very poor on quest

[hexed iris]

Blendshapes does wonders for toggles in optimized, one-mesh avatars

[half tapir]

mmh

honestly

its more optimized by having it seperate and actually be able to turn it off

its only more optimized for the performance rating but not in actual usage

thats a flaw with the performance rating though

[hexed iris]

You know, I have just now started using the performance tracker addon and I did notice that my avatars with blendshape toggles have a very poor ranking on it. o_o'

That's not reflected on the actual ranking

[half tapir]

generally having it seperate is more optimized than scaling it down via blendshapes

on pc you get access to custom shaders where you can instead use stuff to actually hide it while it is a single mesh still

forgot how its called

UV Discard

that allows you to have it still be a single mesh but still having the benefit of being able to turn it off so it does not render anymore

[hexed iris]

Ooo, that's clever. One thing I'm concerned about is that some of my avatars with toggles have 3 or more different things, which can hike up the performance rank on Android. Do I separate all of those toggleable objects, or have them be one separate thing?

[half tapir]

on android youll need to use methods that work with the performance rating

You dont really have access to stuff like UV Discard there and having it seperate objects will increase your performance ranking

so it doesnt leave you that much choice

idk much about quest optimization

i mainly do stuff for pc

quest version on android/quest basically just exists for me so that there is something

but i usually remove all features from that version

[hexed iris]

Eh, I can probably just keep one toggle then. No problem honestly.

[ivory elm]

generally, you'll be best off following 1 outfit per id with android given how constrained you are already 😭
i do wish there was a more weighted avatar ranking system, and ive heard it's been considered, maybe soon it will save those with mesh clothing toggles

[hoary carbon]

how do i disable this
pls help

[heady sparrow]

You dont

[hoary carbon]

:(

[heady sparrow]

Very poor is disabled entirely

[hoary carbon]

damn
so I can't be microwave or loona

[heady sparrow]

Get more optimized avatars

[hoary carbon]

Okay
but hey
at least I can use expunged

[wet sorrel]

@hoary carbon send your feedback thru the canny in #android-announcements

[hoary carbon]

Huh?

Of the performance rating?

[naive bluff]

They're not allowing Very Poor on mobile... let it go.

[hoary carbon]

https://tenor.com/view/uzi-murder-drones-glitch-gif-753645982866097232

i won't give up

my determination is too high

[wet sorrel]

My determination is high too. I'm not a given up

Prompt for those who want it, and if you don't want it, it kicks you back to your previous avatar

@naive bluff are you starting to make content?

[naive bluff]

👀 What kind of content?

[wet sorrel]

Avatars or worlds?

[naive bluff]

No. Why?

[wet sorrel]

Try to upload an avatar from PC only model, and convert it to Quest

[naive bluff]

I already have. 👀

[wet sorrel]

Do you have the stats?

Here one of my own on mobile/Quest

[naive bluff]

Heh, ironic.

[wet sorrel]

It is Artemis from Sailor Moon

It has a dagger, and a latern. Point Light doesn't work on Quest, but that's ok

Multiply particles is used for the glass, and Additive particles is used for smoke and fire ever since February when vrchat fixed the particle system on Quest.

He is Poor on PC

Very poor on Quest

I also gave him GoGo Loco

[naive bluff]

Well, I can see why.

[wet sorrel]

I do like particles, but not a lot where others would be crashing. If they crash, it is mostly due to poor Internet

[naive bluff]

Particles ain't the problem...

skinned meshes: 9/2
materials: 13/4

[wet sorrel]

Particles systems is 3/2

[naive bluff]

Uh-huh.

[wet sorrel]

Anagura Works didn't create a Quest model either on Booth for the Yoru Cat model

[ivory elm]

delete the particle systems, merge meshes, atlas materials, and decimate or dissolve edge loops

like a 15 minute process at its fastest, and you'll be left with at worst a poor rank from the physbones, unless you remove them

too many meshes and materials is awful on mobile, there really isnt enough draw calls to go around to have more than the performance reqs say

[ivory elm]

i typically go through the same process with any avatars i buy and upload, even if i dont play quest and android exclusively. edge loop dissolving does take time but its worth it for sure

and you dont really have to keep doing it, just make one good fallback and forget if its not your thing

[half tapir]

That's nice

I'm poor rank on pc and Quest

On pc the worst i have i think is 30 materials due to features

[ivory elm]

very pawesome

[wet sorrel]

Can this all be done in Unity?

What about others' very poor avatars I want to use?

[half tapir]

You're SOL there

And no unity can't do everything

A lot of optimization requires blender

[wet sorrel]

Unfortunately I can't put the whole all put together finished project into blender.

Still better to request very poor to come back

[ivory elm]

also titled laziness, you can put everything into blender and merge armatures, which is how i added clothing to my chalos

[wet sorrel]

Can you merge particle systems?

Come up with an optimization slider for everyone else's very poor avatars

[ivory elm]

what

[fossil plover]

ok so im trying to play pool on my phone it comes up with E on the screen but how do i shoot

[wet sorrel]

Never could get it to work. Desktop has an overview of the pool table

[grizzled coral]

If that is the community billiards prefab, the only one I know of, then it doesn't support phones, because it hasn't been updated in years.

[heady sparrow]

its not supported on phone at all

you are supposed to press E to open a top down view

[onyx vine]

Anyone get the audio bug where it just stops working until you relaunch the game ?

[wet sorrel]

Didn't have that issue, but provide the feedback in the canny by going to #android-announcements

[dim escarp]

I’m abroad and my MacBook Air can’t handle vrchat I’m desperate for the iOS version

[urban mason]

Does anyone got the beta yet for ios and so?

[rustic bronze]

Does anyone have problems with avatars like me from android? It can't handle avatars i see robots everywhere, it says it's because of performance...

[naive bluff]

Very Poor is blocked.

[rustic bronze]

Even if I have 16 gigabytes of RAM on my phone?

[half tapir]

Yes

If you want to see more avatars you either buy a Quest or a pc

For Quest i would recommend quest 3 at minimum

[rustic bronze]

When I'll have money... I'll buy it... For now I'm still searching for a job

I hate being unemployed at 20...

Also here in Italy it might cost more than there in America

[rustic bronze]

Does Quest 3 require to be connected to a Computer to work?

[half tapir]

No

[rustic bronze]

At least it's less expensive buying a Quest

It's €550 like 5 months and a half of work...

[cinder compass]

What Android characteristics are supported by VRChat?

[naive bluff]

#android-announcements

[cinder compass]

Thank you

[ivory elm]

Here's something you dont see every day
(sorry for the compression)

[river kettle]

Does any one know how to get iOS beta I signed up but I never got an email or anything

[ivory elm]

its still being worked on, theres no beta version yet

[jovial gust]

Bruh

Waiting forever

Android users did not have to wait long

[heady sparrow]

That you are aware of

The mobile version also took a while
Not mentioning that ios is a completely different os to android and is requiring to be built in a specific way to seemlessly allow android built content to work on ios

[halcyon steppe]

Does anyone know how to view imposters on mobile? Ive made an imposter and set imposter to fallback but it still wont display my imposter on mobile

[ivory elm]

you may need to restart the game on both sides for it to display, but you should be able to see it on the menu and as a fallback afterwards

[lilac delta]

imposters do not work on mobie for now, atleast your own as i think you can still see others

[wet sorrel]

You can only view it in the avatar preview

I wanted the imposter to stick while changing worlds, but it was viewed as bug, so fallback only if you happen to be in very poor avatar coming from another platform or changed from vrc website.

I'll be in very poor avatar if I want to. I want other platforms to see the avatar I choose. Not limitations set by the devs.

Two of the same responders for optimization no need to respond. You haven't changed my mind.

[ivory elm]

you can't wear impostors, only view them. its intentional, the visual artifacts they make could be seen as disorienting and you can not make hand gestures of any kind.

but to clarify - if you are using a poor rated avatar with an impostors, and another person with the Minumum DIsplayed Performance Rank set to Medium attempt to view it, they will still see the impostor. only you won't be able to see it

[heady sparrow]

what will you even do if they patch it

[ivory elm]

waiting for the update where nameplates show is showing your avatar or not teehee

[zenith valve]

it's due to apple's policies as well as their OS restrictions

[graceful cosmos]

Hello! I don't know if I should ask this question here or on the android-dev channel, but I would like to know. With the Android Mobil VR, are you able to to put this in a google cardboard and then use a Bluetooth controller meant for phones in VRChat?

[ivory elm]

sadly no, its the same as the desktop version, so you aren't able to play in cardboard vr

[hybrid tendon]

hi everyone! this may be a silly question, but i play on mobile (android) and i'm wondering how to put the camera into 3rd pov whilst playing, rather than when taking pics? i'm curious how streamers on vrchat do this, or if it's not possible on mobile :0

i would love to use vrc for vtuber streaming, is all :3

[heady sparrow]

you cant at all

you require a desktop view of the game that the camera can take over

mobile and quest both dont have that

they only have the singular view

[hybrid tendon]

i see i see!

thank you for confirming

[heady sparrow]

the whole reason why it works is in pcvr on your desktop screen you have a vrchat window
which is what the camera takes over when you enable stream camera

other streamers like cyberchimp or lolathon use a camera on the avatar itself that renders on the screen

[wet sorrel]

@hybrid tendon Use fly to move your camera. But you will be viewing from the camera itself.

[hybrid tendon]

that's interesting

thank you, again!

i think my dad's vr headset is a quest too which is so disappointing aaaa

but that's okay i guess, i'm having fun either way

[wet sorrel]

Quest 2 and 3, the camera can be placed the same behind you, and you can check what's on your photo camera. Streaming and recording will only be thru your eyes since no stream camera available.

[hybrid tendon]

ahh, makes sense

thank you for clarifying 🙂

i think i'll have to save up then for streaming, again. which is okay, good goal to have 🙂

so is there a best device for this then? like maybe pc?

[wet sorrel]

Yep for best results. PC is best

3rd person point of view on desktop can be done in both Sovren's worlds

Otherwise, with the flying camera behind you will be similar to mobile.

PC/VR is the method you usually see with most vrchat streamers.

[hybrid tendon]

ahh i see

i was afraid of that

but it makes sense, being such a powerful thing

[hoary carbon]

I'm still sad that most of Avatars doesn't work

because of the stupid performance rating

https://tenor.com/view/uzi-n-serial-designation-n-murder-drones-episode-7-trailer-gif-9192015854497322902

[wet sorrel]

Go to #android-announcements, and there is a feedback link

@hoary carbon

I was ok with only the user seeing their very poor avatar.

Wasn't even given two weeks

[heady sparrow]

People seeing their own very poor avatar wasnt an intended feature to begin with

[wet sorrel]

But it happened, and therefore work.

And should be allowed back

And I left feedback in the canny because StormRel says I can post it there

[heady sparrow]

A lot of what android build used to have was unintended and "worked"

[wet sorrel]

And only you were allow to see your own very poor avatar on mobile.

[heady sparrow]

Which wasnt intended

Just like your method to see the imposter is also unintended and might get patched

[wet sorrel]

And that's your reasoning for always wanting to be right

I can change into my very poor avatar via website, and only see my fallback

[heady sparrow]

Which is a bug

[wet sorrel]

I use Very Poor avatar from PCVR and Quest, and change it from the website and have others see the very poor avatar I want them to see which naturally happens. and then log into my mobile account.

My intention is to get the very poor avatar back on mobile

For the user

[heady sparrow]

Which they arent going to do

[wet sorrel]

Might change their minds if the feedback is there

Companies change their minds all the time.

[fallen rose]

I need help because whenever i try to put on a avatar it says cant use the avatar cause of its preformance rating how do I fix that

[naive bluff]

#1257044365465878559 message

[ivory elm]

very open to ideas and concepts

i do think however that they arent changing their minds: they have it listed in 8 pages of the creator docs, the android info channel, and have mentioned it in dev logs that they hate very poor performance avatars

[lethal arch]

witch worlds has a andoid avatars

[wet sorrel]

And Quest compatible ones as long as they don't have a red x in front of the avatar

[weak wagon]

I love making new friends and getting avi coms

[ivory elm]

just be saying anything atp

[wispy vortex]

Shoesuke

[urban mason]

no updates on ios cbt?

haven't gotten any emails

[naive bluff]

If you haven't received an email, it's very likely you were not chosen.

[native igloo]

it's segment based roll out, not like roll in everyone at same time.
It will roll out eventually.

[urban mason]

Sad then

[last hearth]

Do y'all think the mobile version will be more optimized when it gets out of beta

[heady sparrow]

the only thing thatd be to optimize is the user generated content

[last hearth]

Its not tjat im lagging

[heady sparrow]

which the only real way to optimize is making it more limited

[last hearth]

Its that i cannot play it at all

[heady sparrow]

is your phone even the minimum requirements

[last hearth]

It need 6gb of ram idk if thats the norm bur my phone is 4gb

[heady sparrow]

thatd be why

[last hearth]

Its a recent phone

[heady sparrow]

the minimum is 6gb not 4

[last hearth]

Yeah ik

I never said it was 4

[heady sparrow]

^

you just did

[last hearth]

I said my phone has 4gb of ram

Not the app requirements

[heady sparrow]

thats what I said

the app requirements is the minimum for the game to run

[last hearth]

My question was is it gonna be more optimized when its out of beta

[heady sparrow]

and the answer was the only thing to optimize is the user generated content

[last hearth]

Why would that make the app itself more optimized

I got like an apk it doesnt even let me into the default home

[heady sparrow]

because its the content you are seeing in the game itself

[heady sparrow]

you are below the minimum requirements for the game itself so of course it wouldnt work

[last hearth]

They told me it would just lag alot

Not just be unable to run completely

[heady sparrow]

if you somehow managed to get the game to open then sure

[last hearth]

I did get it to open

[heady sparrow]

but the minimum requirements are there for a reason

[heady sparrow]

and you witnessed the impossible to use lag

[last hearth]

It somehow loaded faster then it did on quest it just sent me back to initializing world everytime tho

[soft mauve]

I tried it out
It's awesome so far, can't wait to see the official release

[ivory elm]

4gb of ram is not enough to load most vrchat worlds, and even if it could load, showing more than a few avatars would immediately crash

[heady sparrow]

no

that was only for the semi-open beta

[dapper vault]

Is anyone else's Social menu not showing anything when they select "By Location" to find their joinable friends?

[pine flame]

It's cool to be able to play VRChat on a mobile phone, but it's still disappointing not to see other players' avatars or use the majority of avatars available (which are of very poor quality).

I know they've explained why they blocked it, but it's still a sad situation for mobile players.

[flat shadow]

Woah we have a chat for android

[wet sorrel]

@pine flame I was ok without seeing others avatars, but was happy when we could see our own avatar no matter the performance. Got taken away. Still stupid in my eyes .

[pine flame]

I don't want to sound like I'm complaining for no reason, because I know it's not easy to optimize this, and it's already amazing that we can play VRChat on Android. However, it is still disappointing that we can't use the avatars we really want or see other people's avatars.

[wet sorrel]

StormRel did mention to post it in the canny under feature request.

It is running better compared to even the beginning of the year, but I would like to test very poor avatar again. We are still under the testing phase currently.

[naive bluff]

👀

[hybrid tendon]

Is normal for me like that

random buggy

That stay like a few days or more

[hybrid tendon]

there was an error when i tried to convert it to android, “lowerleg not first child”

how do i fix this

[daring vine]

Could it be possible to add Xbox controller support to the Mobile version of VRChat?

Also on that note, what are the chances there being a VR mode in the future?

For example, I have a plastic vr headset, and I've got a copy of Riftcat Vridge

It shows up like this example, I don't imagine it would be too difficult, although it might chew through battery in VR mode haha

[half tapir]

i dont think its supposed to ever get VR mode since phones would simply overheat due to no cooling

for mobile VR thats what the quest version is for

[daring vine]

In my personal experience I've used my phone as a VR headset and haven't had many issues besides tanking the battery...

[half tapir]

vrchat is way more resource intensive though

[daring vine]

True

One can dream though

[half tapir]

it already overheats at normal usage for me when not having any avatars shown

[wet sorrel]

Phones get hot when on Discord, watching YouTube, Twitch, or playing any other games for extended periods of time with brightness up

[half tapir]

Yes

But at some point the heat causes it to work worse

VR on phones would simply accelerate that process so fast it would become unplayable

Unless you provide active efficient cooling

[radiant sinew]

(Emergency Avatar) on a Redmagic

[ivory elm]

<@&397642795457970181> hey uh

DO NOT click the above video btw, its insanely loud

link in their bio is a screamer as well, dont click ofc

[native igloo]

ah, onlyfan scam

[ivory elm]

appreciated

[sly wind]

How do i use avatar interactions on the mobile build
Like expressions and removing glasses

And emotes

[ivory elm]

you can do it on the wing menus, or by holding the menu button to go to the quick menu

[river kettle]

Yeah no adding mobile vr support like for cardboard and stuff would be great

And most phones will run vr chat very well too in vr mode

[heady sparrow]

all you would get out of that is rotational data

[analog mantle]

when is the open beta for IOS coming out? Or did I just not get in?

[grizzled coral]

We donno when it is coming out

[flat shadow]

You are their no voice chats?

[naive bluff]

What?

[charred nebula]

translation: "Why are there no voice channels?" Because we can't have nice things.

[naive bluff]

Because it's redundant.

[ivory elm]

well, this is vrchat, if people wanted to hang out i feel they would just go in game

[naive bluff]

Exactly. VC is in-game.

[harsh acorn]

Do anyone have a problem with VR chat when it crashes on steam deck?

[heady sparrow]

this is the android channel

[harsh acorn]

Oh my bad and there’s a thing to talk about bugs, issues or support for VR chat

[heady sparrow]

#1138891887374237706

[harsh acorn]

Thanks

[sterile venture]

By the way, why can't I play VRChat mobile with WiFi even though the signal is quite good?

failed to get config

What it is?

[naive bluff]

Signal isn't the same as speed.

[sterile venture]

Owh ok

[naive bluff]

Signal is how close you are to the AP (access point), speed is the amount of bandwidth allowed to you.

[half tapir]

My speed on mobile data often is horrible in houses :(

[flat shadow]

As of right now can we only use callbacks and readyplayer avis?

Fallbacks^

[naive bluff]

No?

You just can't use Very Poor avatars.

[flat shadow]

Oh do I know how to tell difference

All the ones on prismic all say the same thing

[naive bluff]

Look at the avatar performance ranking.

[flat shadow]

Ah ok

Thanks

Ok so I can't find the ranking

[hybrid tendon]

When will more settings be added to android?
I would love to change some profile options on the android app tbh

[woeful snow]

Is android getting a data limit downgrade for all avatars? Or is that a rumor?

[native igloo]

only PC.
Android be 10MB DL size limit as it is.

[woeful snow]

Oh! Okay! Thank you!

[ivory elm]

its right here on the avatar screen or shown on the avatar's details page under the name

[grizzled coral]

There is one thing, but the 10MB size isn't changing, VRChat is adding a cap to the uncompressed size as well on Quest, 40MB, it is meant to catch people overusing compression methods, like crunch compression, since it only affects download size and not the way more important size when in RAM.

[flat shadow]

Ok one thing I will say is that android needs more skins. If I could find a way to make them I would but I have nothing to make them

[pearl mulch]

are you in a situation where you have no Windows PC?

[flat shadow]

I mean yes and no

I play on android tho

[pearl mulch]

the computer doesn't need to be good enough to run VR chat to upload content

[naive bluff]

That's a question for #avatar-quest.

[plucky drum]

Aye, forgot the message was two seps

[light wind]

It pains me to see people call avatars skins

[naive bluff]

Me too...

Fortnite kids ruined it.

[heady sparrow]

there isnt even a part where it says skins
every channel says avatar

[half tapir]

Can i have your skin?

To be fair, a good chunk of avatars could be considered skins

Since they're just recolors

So technically not entirely incorrect

[heady sparrow]

counter-point is skins are built onto the avatar itself and the avatar is just an avatar

[half tapir]

Not really a counter point

If it's only a recolor of a base it can be considered a skin

[heady sparrow]

would still end up being its own avatar anyways but sure

[half tapir]

Yes it would be it's own avatar

But calling something like that skin would also be valid

Both apply

[heady sparrow]

yes but I dont like how it causes people to call every avatar they are looking for a skin

[half tapir]

Cause that's the term every game uses

For characters

At least the ones that sell them

Therefore people are used to refer to characters like that

Avatar isn't a much used term when referring to game characters

[dry zealot]

So many people say that to me bro 😭

It's even got me starting to say it on accident
I HATE IT

[wet sorrel]

One friend keeps saying skins too, even after I say call it an avatar.

[deep parrot]

i have a issue about the VRchat app on my phone, everytime i try to login it says my info is wrong when i remember it very well, i put on an avatar that makes my screen black and i keep trying to change it in the mobile app but the app doesn’t let me log in, it says my info is wrong. Was wondering if anyone could help me solve the issue🙏🏻

[native igloo]

Q1. Are you login with VRChat account?
Q2. Did you put username or e-mail?

[deep parrot]

yes i did all of that and it still didn’t let me log in

[soft plinth]

My friend installed the android beta on his phone and when he first opened it up it worked perfectly fine, but when coming back to it the app doesn't open up anymore and it seemed to mess up his phone. Just a bug report.

[trail summit]

OPPO RENO 5 LITE trying to run vrchat
The phone is a mid range

Specifications
Chipset Mediatek MT6779V Helio P95 (12 nm)
CPU Octa-core (2x2.2 GHz Cortex-A75 & 6x2.0 GHz Cortex-A55)
GPU PowerVR GM9446

128 gb internal memory
8+8 gb ram

Android 13

Hardware
chp2205_11

[wet sorrel]

@soft plinth Have him go to the canny for the bug report found in the feedback link under #android-announcements

[shut ocean]

that might be something related to the driver, because that SoC is very capable and should run fine with that 8GB internal/8GB Swap config

If that phone was a little newer, say, 2022, you likely would have gotten the driver update that fixed that issue, as it's also been reported with a few other games.

[trail summit]

What you mean by that SoC?

[native igloo]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/System_on_a_chip

[vernal oriole]

Hi

[ivory elm]

bot

[shy gull]

Using s23 ultra - android audio still does not work, cuts in and out- tried all settings

[ivory elm]

hey you prooobably shouldnt click that

i didnt click it, but who knows what that is

[wet sorrel]

If it's an image, shouldn't it display an image

[vale edge]

Its a grabify link

[ivory elm]

ip grabber in a... 69k person server?

good luck sorting who is who

[young cobalt]

Its need to add a option to control the hands on mobile

[heady sparrow]

how exactly would you even control the hands

[hardy sand]

Like how rec room screen mode does it

[vale edge]

There's 296,000 people. But yes. Lol

[hybrid tendon]

hii

[flat shadow]

Ok so if app won't launch due to ur avi then go to the website log in and make sure ur login stuff will work thru web. Then u can just change ur avi thru their if u have any favorited

[deep parrot]

did that and it didn’t work

[flat shadow]

Do u remember the email u use with it?

[deep parrot]

yes i remember all my information

and it still doesn’t let me log in

[flat shadow]

Unfortunately u may just need to change ur password.

[deep parrot]

changed my password 5 times

[flat shadow]

Ah

Well one sec then

[deep parrot]

mk

[flat shadow]

Ok so

What internet are u running

Cause internet is a major key to this

[flat shadow]

Maybe u don't need to change anything it could be ur internet

And if u have good internet see if anyone has changed anything thru it.

[deep parrot]

i had perfectly fine internet connection when i was trying to log in

[flat shadow]

Have u did the dumb move yet?

Uninstall and reinstall

Or maybe even turn phone off and back on

[deep parrot]

yup

[flat shadow]

Ok then

[deep parrot]

done all of that🙂

[flat shadow]

How many worlds have u opened up

Cause that will take up chache

U may need to clear it

[deep parrot]

my home world and a public world that has like 6 megabytes

my home world is just the normal home world

[flat shadow]

Huh well still try to check ur cache

It may be over a few gigs

Mines already up to 5gs and I've had to clear it

[echo hedge]

is my friend able to join me and my other friend, he is on mobile and me and my friend are on quest/pc

[wet sorrel]

Yes they can join any Quest world

[echo hedge]

weird... i cant see them online but they are on the main screen on mobile

[wet sorrel]

Go to your offline list, might be on your end

[echo hedge]

wait nvm i think him and my oher friend fixed it

they had to change some perms

his mic isnt working

he gave prmision for it in the phone settings

[hybrid tendon]

good morning hope everyone has a great day

[sand surge]

I assume I can login my Steam account to the Mobile version?

[pearl mulch]

you cannot use a steam login on vrchat mobile

https://help.vrchat.com/hc/en-us/articles/360062659053-I-want-to-turn-my-platform-account-through-Steam-Meta-Pico-or-Viveport-into-a-VRChat-account

[outer flint]

Hii

Someone for play vrchat(i speak spanish so my english is bad D:)

[naive bluff]

#spanish

[inner timber]

Still waiting for that IOS beta

[jovial gust]

Facts

[pine flame]

Is it possible to record video using the camera within VRChat on the mobile version?

If it's not possible to unlock the very poor avatars, could you at least provide an option to record video using the in-game camera?

[naive bluff]

No.

Wait.

You can use a screen recording app (YMMV) I suppose.

[pine flame]

Yes, but I was referring to using the in-game camera within VRChat to record the gameplay just like on the PC version, so it wouldn't show details like the analog stick and buttons.

[naive bluff]

Then no. Only VR can do that.

[pine flame]

Couldn't you add this feature in the future? The mobile camera works well by saving photos directly to the gallery, so it could do the same with videos

[naive bluff]

No. The only reason it works in PCVR is because there are two active displays being used. Mobile (and desktop) only has one.

[outer flint]

I know english and spanish but ty

[gaunt palm]

the counter for friends in an instance is always zero, but it's wrong because their status is green or blue.

[hybrid tendon]

Are the media players not working for you all as well?

[ivory elm]

most media players dont seem to be working. possible ytdlp issue?

[half tapir]

works on pc

[urban plume]

Will there be an iOS beta?

[inner timber]

yeah go to the vrc website and it gives you chance to be a beta tester for ios

[urban plume]

Ooo does it give a link?

[inner timber]

no it should js give you an option on the website for profile

[urban plume]

Oh okay

[urban plume]

What does it mean by if I’m a creator?

[inner timber]

as in Avi Creator or World Creator

[urban plume]

Ohh

[urban plume]

I put my discord name and submitted but it keeps popping up with the tab that says to add my device and discord name

[inner timber]

refresh but if not try with ur phone

[urban plume]

Oh yeah I refreshed^

[vapid geyser]

anybody able to find a way to get rid of "too many avatars" thing? only way I can get passed it is rejoining over and over.

tried clearing my data, both the limits for downloading avatars is set to unlimited. I have 100gb free

[naive bluff]

Stop showing people's avatars.

[vapid geyser]

I'm not showing people's avatars

[naive bluff]

Then you have too many shown.

[vapid geyser]

I just cleared my data

there is only one avatar shown

and it's mine. my friends doesn't work and that's the only other avatar in trying to show

genuinely don't know what else to do other than try and factory reset my headset

[naive bluff]

👀 Are you using a Quest or mobile app?

[shut ocean]

might be coming up against RAM for some reason, try a lighter world to see if you can show more avatars.

[sharp thicket]

Where’s the closed iOS beta I am still waiting for a response email

[hot stag]

They closed it yeah. I’m waiting on mine. I just got a new phone and went to reapply but it was closed lol

[dusky totem]

Hi

[dawn adder]

Hello

[restive peak]

Guys
I know the game is still on beta
But like
Why tf this game is laggy as hell

[naive bluff]

Depends on your phone.

[dawn adder]

Btw uhh whenever i approach people they just disappear

[native igloo]

Forgot name of feature but check safety setting under Main Menu Settings.

I remember, it is personal space IIRC

[dawn adder]

Ohhhhh

Ok ok thanks a lot!

[dawn adder]

Another question: is there anyway to use the character that I can't use? Like for example it got the warning of very poor can i at least find any way to lessen the polygon?

[heady sparrow]

you would need to go into the avatar if you uploaded it and optimize it to at least poor rating

[dawn adder]

Hm that's gonma be a problem

Cause i dont know how to do it

[heady sparrow]

do what the sdk tells you to when you are in the project

like whatever is marked as very poor optimize that

[wet sorrel]

Or if you want, select avatar from vrchat website, and run around as fallback

[bold panther]

Anyone want to hangout on vrc, friend request is open!~

[errant knoll]

I do wonder when the iOS beta is gonna drop

[sharp thicket]

I applied when the announcement was made

[zinc ice]

First it was questies now what is it gonna be mobs ?

😭😭

(mobs = mobile btw)

[south bramble]

does anyone have a 18+ vrchat group i can join

[naive bluff]

Why 18+ specifically...?

[dry heath]

Bruh i cant change the optimized avatar , it only available for poor and very poor

[blissful stratus]

Yeah, I have no idea why that's "intentional"

I mean at least up the max poly count

Less than 5% of the avatars being available on a phone with 16 gb of ram and a pretty good cpu shouldn't be a good number

[half tapir]

Some people don't like kids/teenagers

[blissful stratus]

Yeah but personally I think it should be maturity, not like actual age, unless otherwise nessisary

[wet sorrel]

@blissful stratus Leave your feedback in the canny under #android-announcements in the link

[blissful stratus]

No, I recently found out that it's something to do with unity for android, otherwise I'm not having any problems with it

[wet sorrel]

If that was the case, it would apply to the Android based vr headsets (Quest and Pico). I have pics in August 2023 during Alpha.

[blissful stratus]

I see

One time a fallback avatar wouldn't render

[wet sorrel]

August before fallback update. The orange avi is very poor, and the raccoon is medium

The imposters were able to be shown too, but got removed. Imposters weren't sticking when changing worlds as very poor avatar

You can still be in your very poor avatar for other platforms, but will only be in fallback yourself. They greatness of having streamer friends.

But to achieve being in your avatar, either choose the avatar from the vrchat website, or stay in the avatar from the Quest or PC platforms.

I also have used the Avatar selection in the wings by selecting quickly. Can't be done with 6 GB, but can with 8 GB.

[thin dome]

decent enough cutoff to weed out kids/immaturity. Maybe in some cases it should be 16+. But if it involves anything where you need to be a legal adult then it should remain 18+

[blissful stratus]

Alr

[blissful stratus]

Wait I can do that?

[scarlet valve]

Hands up lil bro

https://tenor.com/view/saul-goodman3d-saul-better-call-saul-saulgoodman-gif-26549523

[wet sorrel]

@blissful stratus Trying every way to use the very poor avatar within the normal operations of vrchat. Even if in fallback.

Been able to run a Twitch stream in mini player while running the mobile app. Been watching streams in mini player while playing Pokémon Go since 2021. Phone gets too warm, miniplayer shuts off.

[wet sorrel]

@blissful stratus I have put up my recording in #vrchat-videos showing what I'm talking about.

[viscid sluice]

Is there a way to connect your steam account to bring chat mobile like you can with the pc version?

[wet sorrel]

Never used Steam on mobile. But have streamed on Quest using Meta Horizons app, and Twitch app. There is a Twitch widget which brings up chat. But never used it on mobile vrc.

I did come across one streamer streaming on vrc mobile, but not to use it to gain followers. It had the Twitch icon to bring up chat while I viewed.

[timber lagoon]

Okay, so I was going to go to a world that has a video player that supported on quest this worked before but now all of a sudden I can’t hear anything on the video player but the video is playing any ideas?

[wet sorrel]

@timber lagoon which world did you go to? If it uses ProTV, it works on Quest, not tested mobile yet

[timber lagoon]

Popcorn palace it was working fine a day or 2 ago lol

[wet sorrel]

Sound works at Sovren's Chill Home

[timber lagoon]

Ty

[wet sorrel]

Got this at Popcorn Palace on mobile with YouTube video

[half tapir]

That's Youtube search

Might not work properly on mobile idk

Most assets are made for Quest and PC without proper mobile support

[wet sorrel]

That is why mobile is still in Beta testing. Finding bugs, and what works.

[half tapir]

That's not a vrchat bug though

[light wind]

It's a ytdlp bug, should work again soontm

[wet sorrel]

Had a PC friend put a video up in Popcorn Palace. Sound works on mobile

[half tapir]

Yeah it's fixed again now #announcements

Wonder if it still caps out at 360p though

[zinc ice]

Am I the only one who thinks vrchat mobile is a horrible idea

[native igloo]

That's something need to check

[half tapir]

It's unfortunately the worst way to play VRChat for sure

[zinc ice]

Because I feel like we alr have a problem with like 5 year olds in vrchat for some reason and I think now that it would be more like out there more kids that shouldn’t be online are gonna join

[half tapir]

Luckily our group bans everyone under 14

[zinc ice]

I remember my ex said that they were 14 and actually sounded like it or I was just dumb .. turns out they were a 4th grader

😰

vrchat is discord 2.0 LMAO

[wet sorrel]

@zinc ice Because very poor avatars can't be used, and the mic isn't clear to others in select worlds. Yeah, it's the worst way to play vrchat. The only benefit is talking with friends while away from home. iOs will basically be the same, since iPhone limits. I do give Apple kudos for actually caring about privacy.

[ivory elm]

if they did not limit very poors, id be shocked if they even got let through apple’s approval process with how much it would tank performance with anything above 4 draw calls

phones just inherently cant do that many draw calls, animators, bones/physbones, etcetera, so its only fit for small worlds with <15 optimized avatars. otherwise, the device will definitely overheat and drop below 20fps. youll need to keep in mind that vrchat does base their performance recommendations on the worst case scenaro

(in fact, i think perf ranks are based on 60 or 80 player lobbies)

i know the argument can be made that optimization should be the players choice (and i agree as long as its within reason, i think its ok to have the option to block poor rank and not block poor rank), however, i dont think apple agrees

[rare steppe]

lucky you

If that continued you would be the new drake

[wet sorrel]

Everyone else in fallback is reasonable. Just allowing the user to use very poor is reasonable too like back in August 2023

[naive bluff]

It's really not.

[pallid rune]

question I can't figure out how to upload my model as an avatar is their an assistance tab or someone who can upload it so I can stop stressing about it

[naive bluff]

I think you're looking for #avatar-help, not here.

[pallid rune]

Thank you

[digital bison]

So, i've recently tried VRChat mobile and it went well. However, since it is mobile, i was expecting that you could use it in VR Mode if the phone supports it.

Mine does in this case, it's a Galaxy S21 FE 5G.

But i think the VR Mode isn't really supported yet if i understood correctly...

[half tapir]

It won't have one

Not the intended usecase for mobile vrc

[digital bison]

Though it would have been nice if that was experimental

[naive bluff]

Um... yeah, how would that work?

[flat shadow]

Any new worlds for avatars?

[digital bison]

My idea was that based on the phone's capabilities, head tracking may be the only possibility. In this case, you would only be able to look around

When paired with a controller, you could move around and interact the same way as in normal mode

[icy stag]

Any way to turn off the performance thing? Im limited to like 2 avatars

[naive bluff]

Performance thing?

[gaunt palm]

Friends in instances still don't show up, it's always at 0. I use other apps and programs to view if there's friends in an instance.

[thick pulsar]

If you're referring to the out of memory error there is no setting the change that because loading anything else will result in either the game crashing or being sent back to your homeworld

[wet sorrel]

It was more annoying being sent home due to low memory when in the middle of the game when nothing triggered it on the Quest 2. That is why I got Quest 3

If you can afford it, get a phone with 8 GB of RAM. Although I would be in fallback, with quick presses of the avatars in the wings, I can switch to a very poor avatar. Can't do that with 6 GB

[dusky apex]

Anyone else getting vrchat not responding issues?

[quaint fulcrum]

ey how do you test the beta version on a android tablet i have android 14 and well over 6 gigs of ram but even after becoming a tester it wont let me

[naive bluff]

What tablet do you have? 👀

[quaint fulcrum]

@naive bluff samsung android it a android 14

[sudden thorn]

kinda like how the google cardboard works/worked

im sure someone will find a way to make that possible

[digital bison]

Exactly, this is what i was thinkinf how it could be possible

[naive bluff]

That....... is not a valid tablet model. 👀

[quaint fulcrum]

FUCK

[naive bluff]

You don't know what kind of Samsung tablet you have?

[quaint fulcrum]

ill just get a quest

[naive bluff]

It must be a Tab.

[quaint fulcrum]

yeah no i dont

i forgor the model

[naive bluff]

You can look up the model under "About Phone/Tablet" in your settings.

[quaint fulcrum]

its dead rn

[naive bluff]

Welp.

[quaint fulcrum]

can i message you in dms to let u know

so u can help

[naive bluff]

Um. No. You can just update here.

[quaint fulcrum]

aight kk

i understand i am a stranger after all

[sand ledge]

@proven estuary you are a interesting work of fucking space

Really blocked me and giving my hopes up for my TikTok personal

Worked on it and now said I’m out and blocked me out of the blue

Can’t believe this shit

[naive bluff]

👀 What do you expect to happen airing your dirty laundry in public?

[sudden thorn]

if you payed them money make a claim with w/e platform or bank you used to pay them but witch hunting is against the rules

[quaint fulcrum]

@naive bluff the model is SM-X200 product is a galaxy tab 8

[naive bluff]

Yeeeeeeeeeeeah... no.

[quaint fulcrum]

FUCK

oh well ill just get a quest 3

[proud stone]

Thanks I was wondering that

[proud stone]

I won’t break rule 7, so this is my last message, I also mean this to come across kind when I say that I can see a whole of bunch of problems with your them doing that it I also commented on because if that is true it reminds me of what I read of one post regarding Desktop mode Being bad. That is all I say regarding that.

[lofty stump]

Hheey

Uum

What is up w this when I try to verify my account

Hello

[ivory elm]

i would go ahead and ask support for help at https://help.vrchat.com/hc/en-us/requests/new

[ashen urchin]

Will vrchat ever go to older Android versions

[light wind]

older android versions are very unlikely to even be able to run the game due to the hardware required

[brisk geyser]

Unity based games as a rule just run kinda eh on mobile, specially things that render in URP (which I don't think VRchat uses?) But either way, just slow especially on older hardware

[outer rock]

is this google cardboard

[heady sparrow]

not in the slightest

its closer to minecraft pocket edition

[outer rock]

whats that

[heady sparrow]

wat

[outer rock]

minecraft pockey edition

[heady sparrow]

mobile edition of minecraft before bedrock existed

[outer rock]

wtf

[heady sparrow]

but essentially the mobile version of vrchat is literally just desktop mode with touch screen controls and android restrictions without very poor avatars

[outer rock]

can i link with a windows emulator

[heady sparrow]

probably?

like you could probably play the mobile version on an emulator

but if you mean for like vr no

[ivory elm]

do note that youll need to do arm64 emulation, which can be quite a bit slower. theres no x86_64 builds for android

[daring vine]

Would It be possible to add Headset Mode to the Phone Vrchat?

Also could we pair Xbox One BT controllers and use them to move around like on PC?

[naive bluff]

No...?

Phones only offer 3DOF, proper VR is 6DOF.

[daring vine]

@naive bluff most of the phones ive come across have some flavor of LSM6DS3...that's a 6dof chip

[naive bluff]

👀

English, please?

[daring vine]

The Inertial Movement Chip in most flagship phones is 6dof

I haven't seen a 3dof phone since the early 2000s, even at the $150 brand new price point

[naive bluff]

Well, sorry to break it to ya, the Android app is basically portable desktop mode.

[daring vine]

Most phones have enough horsepower to do 2x1:1 scaled VR...the quest is basically phone hardware

[half tapir]

Quest has cooling though, phones would probably overheat

[daring vine]

F-it, if I have to write my own client I will lol

[naive bluff]

John VRChat would like to know your location.

[shut ocean]

indeed, the quest has a fan and also a higher base TDP than phones. the S22 Ultra, for example has a 4.5w TDP where the quest 2 has a 7.5w TDP. while yes, the phone can for compute go to 12w, it can not do it constantly like vrc would need.

TDP = Thermal Design Power

[ivory elm]

this is very easily shown by going to a public world with a lot of people, your device will likely begin to drop the tdp (and consequently the fps youll be running at) to keep up with the ever increasing temperature

[glacial compass]

Turn it off

Simple

[wet sorrel]

The longest I had my phone on using the app was 1 hour.

[lapis briar]

Can I not see my own imposters on vrc mobile?

[naive bluff]

Imposters are meant to be seen by others to replace fallbacks.

[south forum]

Can we not see our avatars in android?

[naive bluff]

You can... but only if they're Poor or above. Very Poor is blocked.

[wispy moon]

I can now finally play vrc mobile properly with my new phone yay

[versed jay]

How To Turn On Hand tracking in VrChat On Pico 4 ?

Standalone mode

[naive bluff]

👀 Why are you asking in this channel?

[lucid granite]

Anyone used the VRChat for your phone before? If so, how well does it work?

[ivory elm]

it works well, but your phone will get a little hot and will drain battery much quicker

[steep socket]

It's tedious to say the least

[wet sorrel]

Used it today, and ran very well. Saw the opaque diamonds while using avatar culling

[ripe jolt]

Is the android version out or still no

[native igloo]

out long back.

[wet sorrel]

Been out for just over a year

It is out in Beta

And in the Play Store

[native igloo]

out of alpha, still beta actually.

[wet sorrel]

Available would have been better word choice

[native igloo]

yeah...

[halcyon hazel]

Wish there was a version for stronger devices that could load at least some of the stuff made for PC, too limited atm

[wet sorrel]

@halcyon hazel Post it in the canny. There is a link to leave feedback and report bugs in #android-announcements

I would love to have a prompt to give a warning, and it will display the avi for you as a user. Other users are ok as fallback.

But PC and Android are two different programs, and process things differntly.

[pearl mulch]

that's not possible at all because the windows content and Android speaks a different language

[spiral bison]

itll be cool if there was a mode where u can turn on and see everyone avatar's for mobile phones

[naive bluff]

Not gonna happen.

You would likely crash.

[wet sorrel]

@spiral bison Couldn't see anyone's very poor avatar except your own in the beginning of Alpha. It got patched out. Then could see your own imposter, then got patched out. I would only want the return for the user to have very poor avatar available if any progress. But there is a topic about it in the canny.

[ivory elm]

youd likely crash loading most very poor avatars, most phones (even high end) cant handle that amount of mesh and draw call counts

[gilded acorn]

not a fan of the lack of being able to choose if certain very poor avatars are shown

theres many cases where a VP avatar is optimised, even then, theres many supported phones statistically better than a quest 2 or even 3

[ivory elm]

my argument boils down to if you can use any avatar, there is no incentive to optimize, and ill just leave it there. im not really ready to rip this bandaid off

[rain vault]

i would say, back in the first days of android vrc, vp avatars didnt crash me. ven my own, it was fine. S23 ultra

[wet sorrel]

@rain vault I was able to use very poor avi too myself. I knew it was limited, and still was fine with everyone else in fallback. It happened, it worked. The game was still laggy even after patch because it was in Alpha which very understandable. Phone didn't fry or shutdown completely. Game just crashed. iOs is experiencing this while in beta. They just didn't have the option of very poor as bug.

I had a Samsung A52 at first while testing

I gave a 1 year review on the GooglePlay Store mentioning good and bad. It's not a 5 star review.

[deft birch]

I keep having to use my phone bc my vr controllers are getting repaired ‼️

[bold panther]

Looking for friends to hangout with on vrc I barely have any friends

[coarse tusk]

I can be your friend if want

[coarse tusk]

My name is Funfettio911 on vrchat if want to add me @bold panther

[bold panther]

I thought you was gonna friend request me on discord

[coarse tusk]

Oh, my bad

[torn lodge]

I think there should be a option you could choose if you want to see verypoor avatars or pc avatars

[icy knot]

So like, the android app installs on x86 Android Emulators (it doesn't fail with the ABI error) and the VRCat widget works. Is there anything else I need to do to get it to actually launch?

[wet sorrel]

Android phones won't be able to see PC only avatars because they are two different program languages

[ivory elm]

the app is natively arm, so its impossible without emulation unfortunately. to my knowledge, there are no x86_64 builds of vrchat mobile

[icy knot]

There's ARM emulation in x86 builds of Android after version 11. ARM apps used to not install at all.

[ivory elm]

yeah, youll need some kind of emulation

havent gotten anything working on windows 10 though so i cant give any pointing

[icy knot]

I did try it with Waydroid too, and that also just crashes on launch

[ivory elm]

gpu issue? maybe it’s not able to use hw acceleration and gives up on launch

[timid abyss]

i really hope you vill put this out of open beta