#server-feedback
gritty lotus
open radish
I dont generally mind URL in most cases but there are few exceptions.
gritty lotus
that was sent to me in a PM - so it's clearly not private, hehe
open radish
How did you get the discord attachment link?
magic turtle
^
gritty lotus
people have already written scrapers to just pull images from Discord
(or other files)
open radish
God damn... Nothing is safe anymore.
fleet surge
it was never meant to be private
there are other platforms actually offering end to end encrypted chat
elfin scarab
open radish
Damnit... The lounge....
fleet surge
note how they call it a direct message and not a private one
open radish
sigh Alright, fine, lets just move it to that awful, piece of fucking shit channel...
unkempt flame
@gritty lotus Yes, but anyhow is this sdk going to be discontinued? EGS is Epic Game Services?
I did not found EGS in the programming rooms/threads... am I lost? 😎
gritty lotus
it's in General
there'll probably be an EOS section when there's actually something to talk about
fleet surge
epic game store and epic online service
open radish
Ah
I downloading EOS. Still trying to find use for it.
How does it work best for my games and services?
Or mod support. Questions I've yet to find answers for.
chilly ivy
You can find all the info on EOS at the new dev portal: https://dev.epicgames.com/en-US/services
open radish
Holy damn! This is fantastic! I can run my own gaming store/service with this SDK.
unkempt flame
@chilly ivy I already have a registered app there, build the example, but my questions are a little before, for example, how do I add this SDK to a new project, like sourcing and addind a external lib in a c++ UE4 project on VS or XCode, after that there another issue, I'm not really experienced in UE4 code projects but have some experience with web, docker, aws all along and setting plain texts keys in files like config.cpp is not a good practice, so usually you embedd the secrets in proper places like k8s secrets or calling in as env vars, since I found no docs around that I though maybe in this discord channel I can find help in A) adding this sdk to a new project, like third person example B) storing securely sensitive keys C) shipping it to EGS
open radish
Maze Qore's future may have already been secured. with this EOS...
unkempt flame
if there a way to build this sdk in xcode as a cocoa pod would be awesome for shipping mobile games
unkempt flame
like firebase sdk in xcode is a great reference
open radish
But all this just proves my original theory - solo dev is easier than many think. I need no one to help me develop my game. Any other purpose are tertiary or secondary needs, like voice acting, and I merely need them for expressional dialogue audio, which is now finally covered.
Far too late than planned but long last, its finally out of the way.
Better later than never I suppose...
That controversial stuff that happened at the servers last month, ironically, I actually garnered more positive support secretly. Especially when it came to expressing the benefits of working solo vs with a team. It was a blessing in disguise.
vague furnace
That doesn't sound like a topic for this channel tho
unkempt flame
@open radish off my league to comment this but as a group you can achieve way more than solo, the thing is, team building is no joke and needs A LOT of effort from the entire team
drowsy oxide
Yeah this is getting offtopic.
open radish
Can I just put this in #industry-chat instead?
Please don't say #lounge...
Anywhere but that...
drowsy oxide
Talking about your own game is not #industry-chat
open radish
Its not really about my game, its about the concept of solo dev.
Don't even just take Maze Qore for example, there are plenty others out there that have proven my theory true.
Stardew Valley and Undertale to name a few.
What about the unreal-engine channel?
chilly ivy
If you want to talk abstractly about working as a solo developer, your best bets are #career-chat or #lounge.
wintry prism
Please make us a "#math" channel...
gritty lotus
I usually use #ue4-general or a programming channel for math questions
runic shadow
A plugins channel?
deft raft
#plugin-dev 🤔 @runic shadow
runic shadow
Okay lmao mb. Didn't see that
open radish
a startup/entrepreneur/freelancer/contractor channel? i know it falls under industry and career chat, but there are subjects that can get off topic quick, and there is a lot that is different between clock-punching and taking on risk. not a request but an idea.
rich lintel
@open radish, try #looking-for-talent or #looking-for-work
open radish
i was thinking more if people had 'how to' questions or discussions
rich lintel
I do see your point, but I dont think, that is something that happens here, but then again I could be wrong, but also you are right about that things can get off-topic really quick
dark spindle
You should consider making a separate help thread
sonic hazel
@dark spindle like.. every channel already ia
rich lintel
@sonic hazel best joke of the day 😉 😃
reef tartan
Hello - I'm new here 👋 I wanted to ask a question about CI/testing, but I don't see a channel for that. Would that be worth adding?
gritty lotus
CI?
reef tartan
Continuous integration
gritty lotus
ah
reef tartan
Using Jenkins for example
gritty lotus
tbh that's probably outside the scope of this Discord
but yeah, there's no channel for it
reef tartan
Ok - but I'm specifically having problems with Unreal in this context. Where would I ask that?
What about testing in general? Questions about automated testing and so on.
gritty lotus
you can try #ue4-general
but most people in here are explicitly developers, I don't know how many people in here work in the more supporting disciplines
worth finding out though I guess
reef tartan
🙂 I am a developer. I also want to write and run automated tests. I'll try over there. Thanks!
violet delta
That would be really good! I saw Splash Damage and Rare using Unreal with CI methodologies to improve their work
gritty lotus
Rare makes enormous use of automated testing
but tbh, I'm not sure it's done them any favours
it took them several years to ship Sea of Thieves, and when it did ship it was fairly devoid of content
years down the line it's not much better in that regard - their development pace is absolutely glacial
turbid spoke
@stoic goblet I need to report a member of the community. Hes been exploiting artists several times now and mostly gets them through the unreal discord or artstation.
glossy bolt
where do you guys think is the best place we can share our devlogs ? or maybe we should have a separate place just for that
silver heath
@glossy bolt #work-in-progress
glossy bolt
thanks
stoic goblet
@turbid spoke if you have a concern for the moderators, ping @ moderator
deft raft
Or contact us via DM :P
rich lintel
Nice to hear, if you guys has changed your minds, about people that are cheating others.
gritty lotus
If you're going to pin anything in level design, it's this;
http://wiki.polycount.com/wiki/Level_Design#Level_Design_Resources
drowsy oxide
@turbid spoke DM a Moderator please
turbid spoke
i was told to just @ them
dim berry
no that message was for moderators tag
not for the message
you called a single moderator
we have a tag
turbid spoke
i know but the message told me to tagg you after i asked for how to complain about a member 🙂
drowsy oxide
If you have an issue with another member of the community please DM a Moderator
We have the messages saved. Im on a Mobile phone and cannot access them at the moment.
turbid spoke
yay
drowsy oxide
DM = Private Message.
turbid spoke
thanks ❤
drowsy oxide
Not @
You DMed a FORUM moderator
They are not Moderators of this Server
Then DM me your issue
Thank you.
turbid spoke
<@&213101288538374145> I have seen a few people talking about instaLOD and since its not directly connected to unreal i started an unofficial server for talking about the software and so on - can I post that link somewhere so people can join or is that forbidden? 🙂
The company is aware of the server and we could show them that that type of communication is something to support by just building a lively community over there too ^^ I am currently myself researching how to use instalod to get a fast paced high to game ready workflow going from zbrush to unreal 😉
gritty lotus
<@&213101288538374145> please ban Sãl Îm Sïm Øn #6945
sending spam links in DM to what I assume is porn
gritty lotus
I get the impression it's deliberate to make it harder to ban them
it would also be nice if Discord had a reporting function for this kind of thing
thin scarab
@gritty lotus it does, if you can delete the message in a server you get the option to "report to discord trust and safety"
if it's in DMs you can contact T&S on their website linking the message IDs
they generally take care of it super fast
gritty lotus
yeah, I'm not going all the way to their website and digging out individual message IDs to fill in a form
right click -> report user is all that's needed realistically
thin scarab
yeah
calm bloom
nice discord community, appreciate it
azure blade
hey guys, if you ask a question and nobody answers, is there an accepted amount of time you can wait before asking again? e.g. a week / a month etc
drowsy oxide
Typically if your question gets buried you can ask it again.
If it remains close to the initial page just leave it.
azure blade
thank you!
drowsy oxide
If a few hours go by ask again.
azure blade
If it's a question related to material editor, which channel would be most appropriate?
glossy bolt
is there a place to discuss marketing ?
abstract yarrow
cannot send messages in #ue4-general lol
open radish
Which channel is best for me to ask question related to Epic Game Store exclusive deal?
I need to know if I accept such deal, will it only apply to the game they want on their store or will I still be able to sell my other games on Steam, GoG, and so on?
Err, nevermind I guess. I just found #epic-games-store channel.
granite hearth
There should be a #nvidia-flex channel for Flex questions
gritty lotus
Flex isn't even a part of the engine, so no
I'm pretty sure there are other places to discuss it
rich lintel
@gritty lotus correct me, if I am wrong, but Nvidia-flex are giving trouble, to be integrated properly in UE4 as a plugin, for some users. But I guess that is not relevent?
strong tide
.
As a plugin
For some users.
Though perhaps a generic #Plugins channel couldn't go amiss.
chilly ivy
@strong tide We do have a #plugin-dev channel! 🙂
strong tide
.... 😂 so you do! didn't look hard enough before typing. :p
though tbf I did look in general not programming for it. xD
vague furnace
Sup folks, I wanted to pin a post or 2 in #blueprint
And the channel description should also mention to check pinned posts
like #multiplayer does
oh wait MP doesnt do that
anyway
it is the collision filtering article, and my event tick thread
Cheers
P.S I wont get mad if you deem the posts unworthy, I am just trying to help out and contribute
chilly ivy
@vague furnace Heya! Love the thread. I went ahead and pinned it in #blueprint. Thanks again for sharing.
vague furnace
❤
chilly ivy
Oof, I pinned the collision filtering article too. That's a classic that definitely needs to be shared around more.
The documentation is a bit too technical on that front. James's article really streamlines the concept and makes it more digestible for the average developer. The illustrations are very helpful.
gritty lotus
I don't suppose the possibility of enabling slow mode on Lounge is an option?
it would stop the spam of totally useless 1-4 word messages
because getting 100+ lines of this is a problem:
it's at the point where blocking them both is breaking the lounge and just gives me an empty grey screen with "blocked 100+ messages" at the top
dim berry
the fnc guy actually tried to spam me with friend requests. I had to block him too
calm bloom
can we have a channel name free assert
lofty spear
Epic Staff group gone...i guess too many people bugged them 🙂
chilly ivy
We're only showing the community managers in the sidebar now, since they're the most relevant people to contact most of the time anyways.
Otherwise the Epic Staff role remains unchanged.
lofty spear
yeah, i've checked if Wyeth still has the role...totally fine with that, i think that was smart decision
edgy rapids
What happened to #news channel? Why removed?
chilly ivy
It hasn’t been removed.
deft raft
Permissions maybe broken? I can see it.
chilly ivy
Everything appears to be fine. I only changed it to an announcement channel. Didn’t touch anything else.
And I know at least two other people can see it because they reacted to the latest post.
rigid tulip
Still there.
chilly ivy
@edgy rapids What platform are you on?
chilly ivy
That's extra in addition to the button on top.
I'm not sure what causes that banner to show since I can't see it myself.
Also not sure if it's a temporary one-time thing, like the first time you visit the channel after the feature is activated.
edgy rapids
@chilly ivy i cannot see it anymore. I am on mobile. It was still here few days ago on my mobile.
chilly ivy
I'm not sure what's going on then.
I can see it on mobile.
Are you on iOS or Android?
edgy rapids
Android
chilly ivy
OK. I'll let the Discord folks know. Might be a bug.
edgy rapids
Are you on iOS mobile then?
chilly ivy
Yes I am.
edgy rapids
I see
wraith glade
I can see the #unreal-news channel on Android
shadow pawn
Same
muted seal
I can too
sleek warren
could just warn the individuals spamming nonsense there instead IMO
oh this wasn't scrolled down
that was for the lounge slow mode
I'm still amazed that discord can't do this basic UX right (on not warning you are scrolled up on the messages)
dim berry
well the message appears to late
sleek warren
slow mode itself is super annoying, I can see it being used in places like #work-in-progress and #released but I don't think we've had lots of issues on those channels
chilly ivy
@sleek warren I've never had problems with Discord telling me I'm looking at old messages. Are you using desktop on Windows? Or web?
chilly ivy
👍
vital anchor
where did all the Epic Staff go?
fleet surge
they hide !
shadow pawn
They still have the role but are being hidden now I'm pretty sure. Probably too many pings
deft raft
Exactly, all Epic Games Members are still on the Server (despite them leaving on their own maybe).
The list is now hidden and replaced with a special Community Manager role, so you can still annoy Amanda, Tim and Victor about Community stuff.
If an Epic Games Staff Member writes somewhere, they still have their colored name and you can see their role assigned in their profile.
Only the role display is now removed.
vital anchor
Ok, good to know
rich sky
What's the point of "Following" the #unreal-news if you're just going to @everyone anyway 😉
chilly ivy
Because following the channel lets you pipe the announcement into another server, hence sharing that news with your own community.
gritty lotus
'Follow' is for adding the newsfeed to your server
rich sky
Aye
open radish
Cant find the ping, 9/10 vin diesels
median dagger
Ppl love to get a good ol @?everyone, don't they ;)?
gritty lotus
especially when it comes through at 4:30am
nocturne heron
I love this place so far, and I hate to be that guy but I am unable to find the waifu rolls channel.
I believe that waifu game is mandatory for all discord 🙂
lethal socket
hi, i want to post in LOOKING-FOR-TALENT but dont let my. thats because i live in Argentina maivie?
wraith glade
Check the pinned message in that channel
Click on the pin icon in the top-right corner of discord to see them
lethal socket
i see the questionary of LOOKING-FOR-TALENT but dont let my fill
drowsy oxide
You need to PM the @open radish
crimson forge
anyone got this problem.. 4.23 preview8 update to full release take up 41+GB space?!
so i deleted the preview & install fresh is just 9+GB
drowsy oxide
@crimson forge This channel is for feedback on the Server.
Please use #ue4-general to discuss issues that relate to it.
jolly magnet
Hello,
am trying to fallow the news feed and am getting the following:
<@&213101288538374145> Please check this with the admin it might be a misconfiguration!
vast tusk
Thank you, will look into it
jolly magnet
Thanks @vast tusk
fleet surge
did you try to select the news channel here in the widget that shows up?
you have to select a channel in one of your own servers
it's like a message forwarding thing
kinda useless
jolly magnet
i did the same thing on others discord servers and it worked just fine am sure is something to do with unreal slackers.
@fleet surge
fleet surge
strange, it works fine for me
jolly magnet
same setting same channel i don't know why unreal slackers is not working
anyways is not a big deal
jolly magnet
No am not I use unreal Engine more than any other engine
I am reporting a bug
I believe we have met before you're that guy from the unofficial unreal Engine discord sorry for leaving you guys I'm good with a real slackers
@red imp
@rich lintel aren't you that guy that is running that discord
rich lintel
@jolly magnet which one are you referring to ?
deft raft
@jolly magnet Don't worry, everyone knows you aren't advertising Unity here (: We are also not against Unity. Everyone can use whatever the want.
jolly magnet
@deft raft thank you so much dude.
atomic pecan
what is the correct channel? and what is the lack of problem? it appears that unreal engine cannot see my files?
atomic pecan
ok
vital anchor
what would it take to get a #prod-viz channel onto this server? arch-viz is all about baking, but prod-viz (and automotive-viz) usually cannot be baked...
either that or a #datasmith channel.... but arch-viz ppl use datasmith too
light basin
I was thinking it would be a nice thing to have a #datasmith channel in the GENERAL section !
i'm fully into unreal studio and importing data from cad apps like solidworks
light basin
Any of the moderators going to look at this ?
drowsy oxide
We always look at #server-feedback, we typically will discuss things in the staff channel first before addressing something.
light basin
ok sorry, just thought we were ignored !! thanks for telling me !
light basin
🙂
uneven crest
UnrealPHX thanks you for the news channel. 🔥
chilly ivy
Glad you find it useful! Please let us know if you have thoughts on what all we should publish to followers. 🙂
To start we only published when 4.23 was released. That went fairly well, so I'd love to hear about what other announcements you guys would like to share with your other servers.
vague furnace
Would it be a good idea if we have like a tips and tricks channel, or resources channel
Where we can dump interesting articles, quick tutorials
basically anything that Chris Murphy posts
drowsy oxide
No, we have discussed this many times before. Discord is not conducive to be a repository of resources. Use the Wiki or the forums.
gritty lotus
to be fair, the Wiki has been offline for two years now :/
fleet surge
it really is an absolute joke
drowsy oxide
I dont think that makes this Discord a viable alternative though. Discord just isnt built that way to provide such a catalogue.
light basin
How is the debate going regarding a possible Datasmith channel under general ? Stilll debating or just not going to happen ?
deft raft
@light basin Sorry. We were all kinda busy with our lifes. Brought it back up and will discuss it now.
@light basin We will add it under General. Should be up soon + news post.
light basin
Great, thank you very much !!! 🙂
BTW, i was not trying to make pressure, just wanted news. You guys are great !!
deft raft
All good. Sometimes stuff like this gets lost if we have other stuff to discuss at the same time.
deft raft
@light basin #datasmith enjoy!
light basin
sweet, thank you very much !!!
tight osprey
maybe a little tech chat for ppl having problems related to tech?
in the general category
vague furnace
I am doing some research on engines, and I wanna cover engine communities, so if I might ask, how many people are we here, as you cant see offline people so I couldn't find out for myself
deft raft
@vague furnace If we just take the raw user count: 26722
vague furnace
Yeah, I mean I cant get actionable active user count either way, so raw would do I guess
thanks
Oh wow, Unity's discord is 12000 members
I was under the impression that Slackers was less
strong tide
Even things that seem still eXi, are still changing. ;)
chilly ivy
@vague furnace Quick tip that might be useful for your research: You can see online and total members for a Discord server by simply pasting an invite in Discord somewhere.
For example, take a look at our invite in #more-resources.
vague furnace
Thanks, I figured that one out via the server discovery feature
gritty lotus
Last time I checked forum member count was at 750,000, but this was some time ago.
Answerhub and forums use the same account system though, so..
vague furnace
Ah, yea, true. Thanks
wraith glade
I thought all UE4 accounts automatically had an answerhub and forum account, too - they're the same single-sign-on account
slender blade
I doub thtat
Because in that case any fortnight player would also get a UE4 forum account 😛
Like, they might let you log in on those services, but not add you to the userbase until you do, for instance
gritty lotus
yeah, I don't think an account is created until you access either the forums or answerhub
okay, there are ~3.45M accounts at the moment
prime current
Channel for PS4, Xbox One & Nintendo Switch game development.
deft raft
@prime current Can't do that. It's under NDA. You aren't allowed to discuss this stuff outside of Epic's or the specific platform's channels
brazen cliff
guys, maybe u know how to creating a little login / register panel from blue print? I need this system to my RPG Game
drowsy oxide
@brazen cliff This is #server-feedback, please read the #old-rules and #more-resources channel, choose an appropriate channel for asking technical questions. This channel is specifically for providing feedback and suggestions about the Server.
brazen cliff
ok, sry
rigid fractal
for console development there are sub forums you can use as a reg. dev tho seems you missed that msg when signing up @prime current
prime current
where can i find that message?
rigid fractal
info should be in the email you got from epic staff when they checked your reg. dev status with Sony,MS and Nintendo.
vital anchor
@vague furnace remember that Unity has two discords... one official and one unofficial (and the unofficial is much older) so their community might be fractured right now
open radish
feedback: A ventbox channel for frustrated engine users to let off some steam about crappy engine behaviour. The actual Devs could look into it and see what things are going really bad in the engine and could use some improving
sonic hazel
Like #lounge and #ue4-general ?
deft raft
- #ue4-general is not a ventbox at all. Just randomly letting off steam about UE4 every now and then is probably okay if you aren't interupting anyone.
- #lounge is def the place to go if you want to do anything that isn't actively trying to get help with something or discussion a spicific topic (such as #industry-chat ).
The actual Devs could look into it and see what things are going really bad
Epic Games has channels for bug reports and other problems. Please refer to these.
They won't look into any channel here and they won't fix anything based on such a channel either.
misty raft
chilly ivy
@misty raft Epic's forums are down for maintenance at the moment, as noted in #unreal-news.
muted seal
what kind of maintenance?
deft raft
No they aren't :P
gritty lotus
the forums have been offline for two days, so they're not working fine?
deft raft
muted seal
ahhh...ok
deft raft
the middle one is for the forum
muted seal
yeah got it
muted seal
hey there isnt a channel for lighting,so where would i post about that?
muted seal
ah thanks
novel sequoia
will there be a UE 4.23 product version option when posting questions on answers.unrealengine.com soon?
deft raft
@novel sequoia We are still not Epic Games :P
open radish
You mind sharing some of that stuff @muted seal
idk by my knowing they dont update every year
UE RR are quite good
but not everybody likes natural
drowsy oxide
@muted seal @open radish This is the #server-feedback channel. For feedback about this Discord Server. Please make the effort to read the #more-resources and #old-rules as well as the channel descriptions.
Its not that hard.
muted seal
ok
open radish
ok
im supose do get questions
• What is the name of your company? For individuals, just enter your name. (Max 128 characters)
• What role are you hiring for? (Max 128 characters)
I have no company
• What type of job is it? (Choose one: Permanent, Contract, Freelance)
Modeling and Coding
• How will the job be compensated? (Choose one: Paid, Royalty, Unpaid)
Unpaid
• Where is the job located? (Enter Remote for remote-friendly jobs)
Goldendale Washington
• What is the job description? (Max 1024 characters)
I need a modeler who can model anamtronic for my and a coder who can code in UE4
• What are the skills required for this job? (Max 1024 characters)
Modeling and Coding
• Finally, add instructions for applying to this job. (Max 1024 characters)
I have none
i anwered the questions
drifting crescent
I believe you dm to unreal bot. Not for server feedback
azure valve
Read the pinned message in #looking-for-talent
chilly ivy
@red imp Thanks for the reminder. I posted an update in #unreal-news. 👍
heavy fox
I was randomly dmed graphic nudity from a user in this server Collin#1703
flint aspen
Is there a way to make a request for a engine feature? ^^
gritty lotus
not here, no
deft raft
Only via Epic's already existing channels. Not here.
gritty lotus
this channel is not official in any way
flint aspen
i will try in the ue4 forums then ^^
fleet surge
realistically, no
epic will just ignore your idea
unless you can somehow convince them they need it for fortnite
deft raft
unless you can somehow convince them they need it for fortnite
Easy, make your own good selling BR game and add the feature to it.
silver heath
What do you mean it is not official server? I have been on the wrong one all these years ?
deft raft
To make sure that none of the other 27441 users gets confused by any jokes:
Unreal Slackers is not an official Epic Games Discord Server.
This Server is run by the community. While Epic Games has an official Discord Server, it is more for internal moderation stuff.
sonic hazel
Wait, there is an official ue4 discord? 😄
slender blade
Nope
fleet surge
it only does that when they click the publish button on the message
deft raft
We do state this partially in #old-rules, but it can't hurt putting it into #more-resources if it comes up another time.
civic raven
make a group for epic staff between bots and mods
drowsy oxide
UE Community Team has replaced the Epic Staff role.
They are your first point of contact.
brittle orchid
yall should make the fortnite pickaxe do 3 more points of damage
chilly ivy
That's not entirely correct. The Epic Staff role still exists; we just don't display it in the sidebar anymore. We instead only display Epic staff who are community managers.
civic raven
I see them matt anwsered my questions
I know victorfrom the forums so I know he is a playa
since I saw some yellows not in the channel I thought it was as mistake
or what ever that is group
is there a way to filter the user list by afk and or on phone to mask them?
drowsy oxide
I highly doubt it
chilly ivy
No, the member list can't be filtered.
mint gulch
Hi dear mods I have an issue at learn portal of unreal, At Explorering Blueprints->Blueprint for Enterprise. Quiz 3 is automaticly kicks me from quiz and give me connection issue. It automaticly forwards to complate the quiz wihtout answering any question. After that if I try to select "I want to change my answer to that question" it gives connection error. Is there anyone who can help?
<@&213101288538374145> Sorry I've forgot to tag at my question
light shadow
@mint gulch we don't have any control over that, we're a community-run discord
@fallen fog might be able to poke the right people, perhaps
mint gulch
@light shadow thank you for information 👍
fallen fog
@mint gulch Hey, could you send me that bug report to community@unrealengine.com and I'll let them know first thing Monday. Provide as much information as possible (what web browser etc). Sorry you're having issues, first time I hear of it. Have you tried in a different browser by chance?
mint gulch
@fallen fog Hey, I've tried 3 different browser, restared my routher, my computer, deleted browser history, etc. But it started to work after 2 hours of getting error. If I get it again I'll send mail to let you know with details. Thank you
fallen fog
Alright, that's strange indeed. Glad it's working though
rigid fractal
Question: Why are people allowed to post links to their Assetpacks in #fab while others are not allowed to share their kickstarter projects for example?
This Server is a collection of your peers not your customers.
Rule 6 should apply to all users on this Server equally.
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deft raft
Last time in checked, Marketplace assets were for gamedevs. So this isnt the same thing.
deft raft
Specifically for the marketplace channel iirc we allow posting your assets for release and sale. But i can ask the rest of the mods once more.
Not seeing a problem atm with this and it's def not the same as a kickstarter campaign
rigid fractal
A Kickstarter was just an easy Example sure. But the statement that users of this Server are peers not customers still stands.
And thanks for bringing it up with the other mods, again!
wraith glade
I always avoided posting "advertising" for my products in #fab because it doesn't seem in the spirit of the channel
rich sky
Honestly, if you go to the trouble of doing a Kickstarter/Indiegogo campaign, it's a little more than just spamming/advertising for your game. I agree to a point that gamedevs are your peers and most likely not your customer, but sometimes the lines are blurred and more often than not, fellow gamedevs do indeed buy fellow gamedev products.
(and/or support Kickstarters, etc, at the very least by retweeting or getting more eyes on the prize)
If Kickstarters were a thing on this server, I'd say a dedicated channel, that would only get posted by the bot (like #looking-for-talent #looking-for-work ) with a simple check. One of them obviously being that it's a kickstarter/indiegogo url, and whatever
So it's easily muted by those who don't care, but still visible for those that do
I mean, poor jobs all the way at the bottom. I'm sure those that care, don't mute it. But those that don't, have muted them.
Just do a new category under jobs
I mean, what's it hurt to try it out at least? (Also timeout for obvious reasons, maybe 10-30 days or something)
muted seal
i would like to report a user @mental holly
#2025 for repeaditly harrassing me
on my direct messages
dire plume
@muted seal just block him. This isn’t the right channel for this anyways
muted seal
thx man i alredy did that
dire plume
👍
wraith glade
You can also report to Discord
shadow pawn
Maybe you guys could pin this resource in #ue4-general if it helps someone, never heard about it before. All in JP but there seems to be tons of stuff https://www.slideshare.net/EpicGamesJapan/presentations/
gritty lotus
I don't think we're going to be pinning things that are in Japanese, in an English speaking community group
as an aside, it's a shame, because a cursory flick through the slide titles seems to suggest this is higher quality stuff than comes out of the English speaking side of Epic
shadow pawn
Understandable.
Yeah that's a shame really 😦
brittle orchid
Yo Unreal Japan does some crazy cool stuff
Hell just by clicking on that link and clicking on something else
I just learned about the -partialgc flag which causes garbage collection only to be ran at the end of a build
What
shadow pawn
Yeah just looking at some images on some slides I learnt quite a bunch of new things today, even if I don't understand everything
Saw some nodes I never saw before in the animBP lol
Convinced me to try to find more about the JP community's resources
@brittle orchid Please do another survey asking if people want JP resource to be translated and send it to epic lol
brittle orchid
I’m done doing surveys that shit took work
shadow pawn
Yeah saw all the results and stuff, thanks again for your effort 👍
ripe aurora
Unreal-Japan is indeed some cool stuff
turbid maple
how about a #Marketing-chat channel
be helpful to trade some marketing tips, and people could ask questions, we already have way off topic stuff like career and industry chat, but none of those are specific to marketing...
wraith glade
It's not really Unreal-specific though, is it? Other gamedev servers, like the one for the gamedev subreddit, have marketing channels, could try there
turbid maple
Well
Is career chat
Specific
Design chat, could be, but not always
Industry chat
But thanks for the tips in any case, ill look for those
deft raft
Marketplace is not Marketing
azure valve
slender blade
Well, sure, it encompasses marketing
For gamedev marketplace assets
This is really not helping your point of it being a marketing channel for games
azure valve
Point being made is that there isn't a written definition aside from the words of a mod. Channel description indicates that there shouldn't be any advertisement regardless of the target audience, rules says the same. The exception was stated, now recanted.
brittle orchid
burn everything and start over
lets move back to slack and call ourselves Unreal Discord
fleet surge
will you pay for the slack
brittle orchid
I will attempt to motivate someone to pay
fast skiff
I will attempt to motivate someone to pay
To quote Equilibrium:
How do you plan to succeed, if all you do is attempt?!
chilly ivy
Moving back to Slack with a comparable feature set would cost upwards of $230,000/month.
chilly ivy
Oh yeah, totally. I'll just dig that out from inside the couch.
drowsy oxide
Your a good bloke Nick.
mint halo
thanks couch 
Kind of a stretch to say c++ has anything to do with unreal specifically. If we have career, industry, dessign chat could be nice to have a place to discuss marketing adventures?
drowsy oxide
@mint halo Unreal has very specific C++ requirements....
mint halo
point was marketing is/can be as important
and equally something that isn't a 100% unreal engine only thing
hearty wagon
Might be nice to have an IDE channel in the Programming section!
rigid fractal
@drowsy oxide Is it that clear tho?
Come here to discuss the Unreal Marketplace. Authors and customers are both encouraged to share their experiences. is not at all clear when it comes to the Rule #6
This Server is a collection of your peers not your customers.
rigid fractal
sharing experiences is not the same as advertise your products
if people want to get news on marketplace assets.. nobody stops you from creating a discord for this purpose
or start a forum thread etc
but keep advertisement out of this server. ( Well, we do have channels for it)
rich sky
Or just have a channel just dedicated to basically marketing whatever you want.
Let people dump into as they want.
One channel
People can mute it if they want
wraith glade
I think marketplace releases and WIP have a different audience than general gamedev WIP and game releases
deft raft
That was also my point. It's generally not the same audience. The Rule #6 was more directed at people advertising the game they made that ultimately would end up in the hands of non-gamedevs.
Where marketplace content is supposed to actually be used by us gamedevs. I can see that Rule #6 would imply, that you aren't allowed to advertise gamedev projects in #fab and to streamline the whole experience we probably now gonna reroute WIP and released posts from #fab to #work-in-progress and #released
But it's also still open for discussion to simply adjust rule #6
azure valve
Adjust rule #6 and update channel description then. Right now that statement is a interpretation at best, a personal opinion at worst.
wraith glade
But my point was that those don't fit in #work-in-progress or #released
I'd go to #work-in-progress to see cool screenshots of games people are working on, or to #released to look for new games being released
I wouldn't think that I should go there to look for new marketplace releases
azure valve
Could be argued that you should go to the marketplace and set your filter to newest 😜
wraith glade
True, that's the best way to find unicorns
rich sky
#fab-releases (bot-operated like #looking-for-talent )
And adjust #6 to allow kickstarters in #work-in-progress
The thing about "going to marketplace and setting to newest" is that, most people hate the launcher
Or even the website
They use Discord first and foremost.
And this is a Discord server AFAIK
It's almost the same principle as "don't tell people to go to Google for answers"
Discord servers should be as self-sustainable as possible
Just like, if you think how Reddit is usually run
Redditors HATE being redirected to outside forums
(think AMAs that people host on twitch or something instead of on Reddit itself,when they announce it on Reddit...)
(as for Kickstarters and such, how many people are actually going to be linking that anyway? So fighting it for maybe 20-50 a year posts...seems kinda silly, more eyes on Kickstarters may allow for more sharing on other platforms, or even a few pledges)
Marketplace Assets should 100% be allowed as developers are most definitely the intended target. Whether you allow it in #fab or a new channel for it is up to you.
As for Kickstarters. While not all gamers are developers, practically every developer is a gamer.
Even if pledges are not the intended focus here for allowing them. Visibility should be. Basically, are you trying to help or hinder your fellow developers on here?
If you were developing a game, and wanted to do some fundraising, would you really not want the visibility that your fellow developers could give you with retweets and other shares?
Lastly, and sorry @brittle orchid 😉 But, marketing/visibility to some developers is already happening in #unreal-news
Can't play favorites.
(or you can, but you then just look kinda silly)
brittle orchid
I'd argue that that announcement is focused on the community as a whole and isn't actually promoting any form of product
But also I don't really wanna weigh one way or the other
and that is all completely fair
¯_(ツ)_/¯
"iunno man I just work here"
rich sky
Visibility as a whole is a super hot commodity in our industry.
You, yourself, would be the product there 😉
But I'm just giving my honest two cents around here like always, nothing new. ¯_(ツ)_/¯
brittle orchid
My limited analytics that shows if anything I got negative promotion on that survey
rich sky
(yes, the actual intent may not have been self-promotion in and of itself)
brittle orchid
and it also shows that engagement rate through #unreal-news is extremely low
compared to the audience it is intended to reach
which isn't a counterpoint
it just is
rich sky
Well...I mean...it was a survey..
I look at it...
It was more than one page
I exited out
Just being honest 😉
Which is probably how others felt
brittle orchid
that is the same across no matter what platform
silver heath
It is pretty hard to link that survey to exposure tbh.
brittle orchid
the same barrier to engagement exists on reddit, twitter, etc
and so far reddit engagement is where the real engagement numbers live so
if you're looking to promote anything you really should just post on reddit simply because fighting to promote here won't lead to as much gain as you'd think
I still greatly appreciate nick for allowing the news post but even if you were allowed to promote here, eh
I'd rather make the argument that slackers policy is irrelevant (aside from community maintenance) because people are already gonna do what they're gonna do and by the time a mod deletes something, even if its pretty fast, they've already got the majority of the impressions they'd get
just due to the nature of discord being discord
rich sky
It's different linking/sharing a survey vs a cool game concept though 😉
deft raft
Well if they do it too often they get banned, so there is that:D
rich sky
More people would be receptive looking at something pretty, than trying to fill out a survey
brittle orchid
I'd bet you'd get slightly more impressions but eh
the only meaningful difference I'd expect in any type of exposure is the difference between a pinned post in an important channel vs an @everyone
regardless of content
deft raft
Well that tag is probably more bad than good news
brittle orchid
aye
brittle orchid
then I'm surprised you're surprised
since opt-in anything and any type of role management has been shut down for years
rich sky
That's true, I am surprised that I was surprised and forgot
brittle orchid
if there was an opt-in form of notification
then aye, I could see survey vs game marketing be very different
as people opt'd in to news would... well.. want to know the news
not partake in things
deft raft
The survey in news is mostly there cause it was for the whole community and less about Allar
brittle orchid
honestly the biggest form of marketing you can get here imo is to be streaming with the forum mod role lol
deft raft
Yoeri posting the name to it was his decision. Pretty sure Allar mostly cared about the survey and not his name
brittle orchid
aye
deft raft
You could be streaming as the admin 
brittle orchid
yeaaaaah that'd probably be slightly better
deft raft
Despite that, to get back to the topic, I'm not so sure about things like an extra channel for marketplace releases.
I'm not 100% against it, but for now they can go into #released .
And in terms of kickstarter and visibility: This is the last place I would post my kickstarter and I don't think this Discord should be the place to post it.
brittle orchid
benefit of the survey, knowing that a large chunk of people who even come here come here as a last resort, they definitely aren't coming here to be aware of new products
deft raft
In the end, this is a place to get support from the community with your technical ue4 issues (mostly in text form).
Everything additional would technically not be required. Posting your WIP or released stuff is basically just nice to have.
I would also probably not come here to know about games in dev or released, same for marketplace content.
hearty wagon
: agree :
wraith glade
I don't know if it would be useful in any way, but a channel about marketplace releases with a bot that posts each new release automatically (as opposed to someone having to choose to advertise it) could stimulate discussion of marketplace assets. Again, no idea if anyone would want that or not.
mint halo
Would be nice if there were a channel to catch questions about #old-rules or avoiding reading of them. Feel like lounge and unreal-engine pick up the slack here. #questions or something. Probably wouldn’t work though, ideally everyone reads things yea
mint halo
how do we submit feeds for slackers?
chilly ivy
@mint halo What do you mean by "feeds"?
mint halo
ah i meant news feeds/channels. will be more clear, but yea was mostly joking. is there a process for submitting news though?
brittle orchid
chilly ivy
Like submitting a link you think we should post in #unreal-news?
mint halo
Yea like that
chilly ivy
No, there's no process in place for that. We just post whatever comes to our attention and seems important/relevant enough to this community.
mint halo
Community news might be a fun thing, the ability to put the news in other peoples discords is cool. Even the looking-for channels, might be cool to have in this format
chilly ivy
Certainly worth considering. In the mean time, you can always mention us on Twitter. I run our Twitter account and I try to spotlight cool community stuff when it comes up in my feed. 🙂
mint halo
i will have to get on this twitter thing
hazy elk
I think having a channel (or multiple) for DCC tools might be a good idea. I've just started using blender and there are a couple roadblocks relating to UE4 specifically (import/export etc.) and asking in a blender's discord's unreal channel so far has yielded 0 results probably because too many people there just aren't using Unreal in the first place. A sort of "workflow using X and Unreal" channel
fleet surge
check out the recent live stream on blender from epic, they explained how to export correctly and stuff
vagrant sigil
Maybe try actually helping people out, a lot of people I see ask questions to get help and get ignored by everyone including myself who was ignored too
azure valve
So far, you only asked one question out of your three total post. 1) it’s the weekend 2) all help given is completely voluntary and at the grace of other community members 3) remember to word your inquiry correctly. If one can’t be bothered to elaborate, don’t expect someone to be bothered in turn
mint halo
People are unlikely going to say they acknowledge that you asked a question but do not know the answer yousif.
deft raft
Yeah you are better off asking directly what you need regarding Landscapes instead of asking if someone is good with it.
And even then no one has to answer you.
drowsy oxide
Your more than welcome to make a job posting in #looking-for-talent if you want someone on hand.
hazy elk
@fleet surge the issue is that there is more to blender and Unreal than just exporting a mannequin... such as importing a custom fbx in the first place, that potentially has morph targets etc.
The default fbx importer of blender destroys material slots and also doesn't give you the blend shapes when you export with morph targets in Unreal.
deft raft
@hazy elk Well, yes and no. A lot of layers of UE4 have external software*, such as Multiplayer and Steam or Meshes and Blender.
Having one channel for that might be confusing and having multiple ones is something we don't want as the channel list is already huge.
If you need help with blender and ue4, your best bet is to either go into the channel that fits your needs, or start at #ue4-general
Example is that #blueprint #cpp and #multiplayer are commonly used for Steam+UE4 related issues and that's totally fine.
So you are basically free to go to #graphics or #animation etc. and ask your Blender+UE4 question.
hazy elk
I figured neither graphics nor animation are appropriate seeing that graphics is more or less people talking about graphics programming/application of techniques in UE4 and animation is well.. animaton.
It does feel like there's a void for problems that aren't related to strictly one program. In the blender discord barely anyone responds to Unreal questions since it's one channel out of what feels like 500, and this discord in general doesn't know much about those problems either, so the questions just get pushed out of existence immediately
sonic hazel
If i read this, I notice there is a confusement between a community chat server and a knowledge base.
hazy elk
talking about problems and how to approach them is a large part of being in a technical community. How about we take away all the programming channels except for one - called programming? Seeing as you think we should just 'chat' instead of organizing proper information streams
deft raft
How about we take away all the programming channels except for one - called programming?
We actually had this originally, but the amount of messages in one channel made clear that we had to split them. They are all still mainly UE4 topics, so this isn't really the best comparison.
I figured neither graphics nor animation are appropriate seeing that graphics is more or less people talking about graphics programming/application of techniques in UE4 and animation is well.. animaton.
Well yes, this is also still mainly a UE4 oriented Discord Server. This doesn't however stop you from asking your questions about UE4+Blender there.
And if either way no one answers your UE4+Blender question, then there might just either be none that knows an answer or none that wants to share/discuss one.
If there is such a general UE4+Blender gap, then it might be worth writing a blogpost about it and forming a static resource.
hazy elk
Well yeah - it's pretty obvious that seperating topics is a good idea. I was responding to the passive aggressive tone of Remco. That being said of course I understand the reasoning for not having a separate channel for every tool that relates to UE4.
A writeup would be great, but sadly I'm not the one to do it given that I'm a noob at any DCC tool right now and that probably won't change in the near future given that I have my hands full with work and university ~,~
sonic hazel
Its not a passive aggresive tone, a community server like this one has no place for static information storage. The information that is already placed on static places is not being read already. You're not the first to ask for a knowledge base solution and online there are already countless of places with the information you want.
hazy elk
I didn't. I asked for additional channels because I felt the current channels don't cover some topics I felt needed covering. I'm not sure where you read "knowledge base" out of that
exotic granite
what about a procedural generation channel ?
gritty lotus
that is weirdly specific?
surely all the elements of proc generation are better served in existing channels?
slender blade
Oddly specific topic with an absurdly broad range of relevant fields and information... I'm with ambershee here
deft raft
I do have to say that I also didn't read any need for static resources here into @hazy elk 's posts.
They only wanted an additional channel to discuss a topic in.
stone hill
the community can't be more awesome.Thank ya' all people for being such an amazing community.
faint roost
A pingable help role would be great. Just a suggestion.
azure valve
Who would have that role
brittle orchid
We all have individual pingable roles.
drowsy oxide
There are also a heap of channels where you can ask specific questions
gritty lotus
the problem with a pingable help role, is that knowledge is individual - there are umpteen different disciplines involved in games and a lot of basic knowledge isn't shared between them
chances are the people who can respond to a ping won't know an answer anyway
I would also be surprised if anyone actually wants such a role, since with the number of users in here, it would likely be used all the time
deft raft
Yeah I don't think help role(s) are a good idea. The peeps that are helping in a specific channel/topic will do this whenever they feel like it. Having a pingable role is basically help-on-demand, which is exactly the opposite of what we usually communicate.
A person will get help whenever someone else feels like helping them. If the person needs urgent help they will have to think about hiring someone or getting into closer contact with Epic Games.
And that should stay like it.
forest agate
well actually there are some memebers that may want to be notified of when someone actually needs help vs just general discussion. There could be a help role for reach channel and those that feel they are overall knowledgeable in that area and want to opt in might like the idea.
but i can also see the downside of it. lol
azure valve
If members want to help, it’s their prerogative to participate within the community. Not so for someone to demand personal help at a whim. They can go to #looking-for-talent if they wish to hire a private tutor.
drifting crescent
A help role seems kind of generally awful with just the volume of users in this community, as I think it would be an almost nonstop ping for things possibly outside of ones expertise.
forest agate
for the size of the community, yeah i would agree with you there. A few hundred or even a couple thousand people. but not 15k-20k.
drowsy oxide
@forest agate We have 29k members, just FYI. Its not feasible.
sleek warren
if that ever happened, I could see three things happening immediately:
- people muting notifications from this group altogether
- people ragequitting and leaving the server for doing that nonsense
- every new user demanding help on most trivial things they could have just googled anyway (but was easier to just ping 29k users about it instead)
there's just absolutely no reason for feat like that happen
chilly ivy
To be fair, people wouldn't mute notifications from the group. You would voluntarily add the role to yourself.
I still agree it's not a great idea, but just wanted to point that out. 🙂
It would definitely be heavily abused.
deft raft
Even if some people here really want to help, the best idea is to just sit in the channels that you can help in and answering questions.
I don't think such a person needs an extra ping group, specially since it would be only for a handful of peeps.
slender blade
^
I primarily help out in #graphics
So I just read graphics when it suits me and respond where appropriate
mental vessel
Guess it have been discussed and before, but it is still eye popping how, I think I counted over 50% for last 20 talks, the design-chat is misinterpreted by people. With so much noise ratio, what purpose it does serve that name to be kept like that? Isn't there something less burden like, gameplay-chat, game-concepts or whatever?
gritty lotus
I requested 'gameplay mechanics' a while back
it used to be called 'game design' and was as much of a mess
apparently people don't actually know what that is
mental vessel
Anything other than "design" will do, it is abstract word and no wonder people misinterpret depending on their case.
drifting crescent
I think that changing the name slightly to something like Design discussion or design philosophy might help better suggest the nature of the chat
gritty lotus
nah, kill the word design
'Design Discussion' is literally a synonym of what it is now
prime dust
gameplay mechanics +1
shadow pawn
+2
drowsy oxide
Problem is it’s meant to be a “theory” based discussion channel. Callibg it GameplayMechanics wont stop people from understanding that the discussion is supposed to be more theory based.
Its a tough one for sure.
mental vessel
gameplay-theory?
I think we can easily assume that the 'theory' part is less trouble than the 'design' part? That is, if the troubles can be reduced greatly already, why not doing it until better solution comes?
wraith glade
It's also the first gamedev-sounding channel in the list after Unreal Chat
deft raft
The current channel isn't supposed to only be about gameplay either.
mint halo
Lol I think it’s funny that design discussion does somehow sound more highbrow and less inclusive.
Most things in its description could really be their own channels. What is the common understanding of #design-chat ’s use right now? It’s not #level-design, so any design that isn’t level design?
mental vessel
game-design, design-theory, game-theory... I would suggest a poll, but knowing the mass appears not to know anyway.
somber rock
game-theory seems good. If someone's searching for a channel to ask a question "how-to" he could skip channel named like this, sounds boring 🙂
mint halo
Would a #learning-resources channel/informational thing be too much up keep? I don't have any one learning resource to plug, but sending people to google for somethings and or keeping track of resources myself is hit or miss. short of machine learning keeping track of answers idk how it would be done or decided whats deserving of it.
gritty lotus
gets asked all the time, but Discord is just plain shit for keeping track of things like that
stuff gets lost within days
mint halo
Yeah, like just joined a physics discord and they had an excellent resources channel. But no idea how we would do it.
Pins are limited
wraith glade
You'd go to some place liked Reddit and gather resources there, then pin one link to that thread. The problem is that someone would have to maintain that list.
Alternatively, you could start a wiki
wary sun
Someone should make a wiki and collect all the resources there, divided into categories, and with related links etc etc. Massive upkeep tho. ^ As Namelss mentioned *
deft raft
Well if only there was a Wiki already that isn't locked for eternity...
mint halo
New unreal tournament comes first
rich sky
Level 2. Let's do something about it @chilly ivy After you've rested up from MegaJam
Emojis, Server Banner
mint halo
seriously though, why don't discord partners instant get all perks?
also, relevant: https://discordapp.com/channels/187217643009212416/221798481679876099/608318633621585947
dire plume
I think partners do get most of those perks
mint halo
Not all, 100mb should be a thing
chilly ivy
@dire plume We only get a few of the boost perks, as noted in my message that p@t linked to above.
dire plume
Ah I see that now ok. Good to know
rich sky
Aye, 3 months later and nothing has been done
mint halo
you really want emoji victor?
strong tide
YES! 
mint halo
more unreal logos would be good, like unreal logos.
gritty lotus
mint halo
drowsy oxide
Annoy @chilly ivy for emojis. Dont think Mods can add them?
emoji
brittle orchid
fleet surge
doesn't loop very well 
mental vessel
I see fur only.
sonic hazel
vague swallow
Hey guys, i'm sending the server link to a friend and it says that's invalid
chilly ivy
Thanks for reporting that. Not sure what’s wrong but I’ll get in touch with Discord about it.
midnight bluff
Can we do something about all these people posting Rev Share jobs as Paid? It's just a waste of everyones time
chilly ivy
@midnight bluff What is the problem exactly?
midnight bluff
People who aren't actually willing to pay are posting their job listings to the jobs channel as Paid, presumably to get more people to look at them
chilly ivy
I see. Well that's definitely not acceptable. Can you point me to an example?
Are people stating in the description that it's unpaid or rev share but setting the payment to Paid so it shows up as green?
midnight bluff
The one by KiwiKingdom today sure looks like one
I've seen others in the past
Not that this is a huge issue or anything, just an annoyance
chilly ivy
It's an abuse of the job board, so I'd like to curb it if I can.
We don't really have a way to track this kind of abuse, so we rely on user reports.
deft raft
If you contact someone that then approaches you with rev share instead of paid, let us know via DM with some images and we can take care of it.
ocean siren
Also I've seen "paid after crowdfunding" which may or may not be what voidspawn means
azure valve
That’s like paying with an empty credit card 😑
mint halo
we are missing the emoji subject
rich sky
I think it's time for #epic-games-store to be retired. It's old news now. When it first came out it made sense. But honestly, it's just people bitching about EGS, talking about new games on EGS or support issues that have no business being on that channel (or this server)
Maybe bring it back out when/if EGS let's the floodgates open for game submissions for technical support, but even then ¯_(ツ)_/¯
silver heath
Let it be, the channel is fine.
wraith glade
Where else are people meant to complain or talk about EGS? It's not like Epic have any actually public feedback channels
Gotta complain somewhere
gritty lotus
aye, it keeps the complaints neatly contained in a channel you can merrily ignore
lofty garnet
Hey guys, I’m pretty new here, and I would like to ask a question about 3D software, which channel should I ask in?
silk osprey
@lofty garnet Yes probably
lofty garnet
Okay thanks!
shell lava
We need a new channel for promoting marketplace content, Epic don't promote its content creators, so give us a place where we can promote our product with some cadence...
shell lava
@vast tusk so what about updates (big update even that it can be considered as new product ) me made about our product ?
gritty lotus
That would be a new (version) release
shell lava
@gritty lotus my pack got a new version release in October, so I'm right to post it?
gritty lotus
if it's a notable update, sure
shell lava
Is Adding additional 2400 meshes to the pack is considered notable update?
@gritty lotus ?
gritty lotus
I guess ¯_(ツ)_/¯
glossy gulch
@shell lava that update was in june according to your forum post. and you have been posting about the pack in general quite a lot.
shell lava
@glossy gulch has been effective in October, not a June
glossy gulch
forum post says differently
¯_(ツ)_/¯
and with the amount of posts you have done about the pack, i dont feel like you have the right to post about it again as the last update according to you was in october
shell lava
@glossy gulch the first release is on December 21 in 2017... And the update was in October 2019 .. If you want proof.... Give me a moment to show you that
glossy gulch
multiple facebook groups, youtube, reddit, twitter, instagram, forums, emails (and posts on aforementioned media) from epic.
i think there is plenty place where you can (re)post your content, but dont use our group for it.
I'd say take it up with pfist, because frankly I wont change my mind.
shell lava
???
@glossy gulch what you mean? That I flood the group? I have posted it first in #fab and you deleted it cause, it is not the appropriate channel to talk about new update release, so now that I post it in appropriate channel to talk about the release of update, you say that I have make a lot of post here ????
glossy gulch
I say take it up with pfist.
shell lava
😯
silver heath
I am definitely siding with ones, who would like not seeing pack update spam in any of the channels.
chilly ivy
@shell lava We already posted about the Black Friday sale in #unreal-news. We allow Marketplace authors and other developers to post once in #released when they release a new product. Posting about updates or discounts is not currently allowed.
magic sphinx
Hey guys? Is it possible to edit a job posting? I think I'd like to adjust the copy of my brief a little if that's possible
shell lava
@chilly ivy ok👍
vast tusk
@magic sphinx no you will need to repost it
rich lintel
Are the #unreal-news down again ?
have not gotten any updates since 14 November?
And the new update, that is posted in the #unreal-news 26 november, was not posted on the other discord server?
dont know, if anybody else is have this issue
gritty lotus
news posts only get syndicated across to other servers if some flag is set on the respective post
rich lintel
and if it is ?
gritty lotus
it probably means whoever posted the update forgot the syndication tag thingo
it seems to be easy to miss
rich sky
<@&213101288538374145> Damn, what's up with your rules
I can't find "random cold PMing/solicitation" anymore there
(not an obvious rule anyway)
glossy gulch
". Repeatedly begging for support or sending unsolicited DMs asking for help is considered harassment and may result in an infraction or a permanent ban, depending on severity."
glossy gulch
3rd alinea or whatever its called in english
rich sky
Ah, hmm, not part of the numbered list
You should totally branch that one out
Make it big and beautiful
glossy gulch
we should, I'll forward it to my fellow <@&213101288538374145>
fleet surge
this writing style reminds me of https://talktotransformer.com/
just nonsense chained together
rich sky
Aye
What's really annoying, is I am most definitely at the bottom of this server list (6800 online, that's a lot of names to randomly pick)
azure valve
Please not another essay rant I3DI
zenith violet
Hey Victor, when someone is nice and trying to help, quit being a whiny baby and frivolously complaining. You didn't have to ask who I was, I didn't have to stop to give you a way to save money and time from experience earned. I have complaint about you FRIVOLOUSLY complaining. If you didn't want the answer and you want to be a jerk, why dont you get off here and find a nice hate forum or something
chilly ivy
@zenith violet If you have a problem with someone, talk to them privately. This is not the place.
zenith violet
I did talk to him privately @chilly ivy I offered a way he could save money and it was nice. He came here and complained, I was infracted for sharing how I save time and money on audio. I was being very nice. So if he complains Frivolously, which is what it was because it was a nice, experienced suggestion to save time if he was interested, then I am not going to message him again because then he'll complain about that and I'll infracted again. He's a jerk, plain and simple. If you look at the conversation, it was a simple suggestion and I was being nice and sharing my experience to help. He asked me who I was, I chose not to ignore him and shared a couple things out of kindness, politeness, courtesy. Your telling me to message him again, not a chance. He wants to come on here and complain when your being nice. I won't stop to be nice and offer a suggestion again on how you can save time and money on something he posted if he has trouble finding what he is looking for from my experience.
It was a FRIVOLOUS complaint and not very nice.
chilly ivy
You're not listening. I'm telling you to stop talking about this here.
zenith violet
I'm moving on
rich sky
@azure valve Didn't realize it was a thing
Also, just to clear the air. I've never asked (AFAIK) for anyway to save money for audio or anything. It was completely unsolicited.
open radish
Just looking at this from a neutral perspective but Why was the one guy scolded for talking about this topic and Victor wasn't seems like if this isn't the proper place to talk about it then why not tell Victor the same? I am only asking and not trying to start drama
rich sky
Usually when people say this anywhere: " I am only asking and not trying to start drama" , they mean the opposite 😉
And you can clearly see in my text, I am not directing it to any particular person, which is what someone else may have done.
open radish
no was seriously just asking. I just wanted to understand the rules
chilly ivy
@rich sky Actually, since you shared a screenshot of a private conversation with I3DI, it was pretty clear who you were talking about.
We do discourage people from sharing screenshots of private conversations without consent from all parties.
rich sky
Yes, that was the start of this. Screenshot sharing is natural to understand the flow of conversation and complaint.
Is that in the rules?
If not, you should specify, because it most definitely happens all the time here.
So in this regards, @open radish would be correct
chilly ivy
It should be. If it's not, it's an oversight that I accept responsibility for.
rich sky
I think there's too many "generals" lumped around the rules as well
Some of those can be broken down, make it easier to read
It's easier to point to rules when you can say : You are in direct violation of Rule 1.a
Or something along those lines, than... "Repeatedly begging for support or sending unsolicited DMs asking for help is considered harassment and may result in an infraction or a permanent ban, depending on severity." in Rule 1
Which happens to be in the middle of something random honestly
chilly ivy
I agree completely. Happy to say I'm in the process of revamping the rules to be much clearer and simpler.
rich sky
So, what I am saying is. Break them down a bit if you are going to lump them into bigger groups.
Or, just add more rule numbers
There's nothing wrong with having 100 rules 🙂
I mean, that's basically what you have
(well, let's say 50)
Also, I'm surprised this isn't already around... but a #faq
You have #more-resources but it's just basically for channel discriptions
chilly ivy
#more-resources is being revamped as well. 🙂
If you have any suggestions for FAQs, instructions for getting the most out of the server, etc. I'm all ears.
ocean siren
bot commands, eg for "how to ask" as is common in other technical discords would be cool.
literal example
chilly ivy
Ah so bot commands people can use to drop a template response from the bot into chat?
For common issues, docs, etc.
ocean siren
One that you govern for tone
chilly ivy
I've seen that around, too.
ocean siren
If people have to explain the same thing in their own words (or copy their own template) it's less standardized.
Also, UPROPERTY reflection could use a succinct pastable
chilly ivy
Right, the responses would be created before hand. The bot command would just make it appear in chat.
The reflection thing you're talking about, for example. A user could type !reflection and the bot would give a pre-defined response.
open radish
I love that idea
fast skiff
IMO it's much more effective than pinned messages
cuz it's easy to just dump the info into chat
than to direct someone to click somewhere, etc
open radish
many forget about pins
chilly ivy
That's a good point. Thanks for the input guys!
mint halo
I momentarily think #share-your-stream is about texture streaming often. #streams or #livestreams could be nice
mental vessel
lol, I'm not alone then, I also think that #livestreams is better. But I doubt this will pass, up there we suggested #game-theory instead of #design-chat but... no response.
mint halo
Is game-theory really more descriptive though?
I feel the only way something gets done with that is to add more channels lol, part it out
mental vessel
It is most close I think and enough to push over the off-topic. So it is kind of balance. Even if you 10 more channels, you maybe will move that effect to them instead, or spread it over. Not to mention that there are too many channels anyway.
mint halo
Yeah
gritty lotus
I don't think it needs to be more descriptive, it just needs to be named something else to avoid the eternal confusion that has plagued the channel since it's inception
I'd be perfectly happy just getting rid of it at this point
wraith glade
I find it a bit annoying that the news item for the December free Marketplace content doesn't actually link to the news post (The one with the screenshots of everything on one page)
chilly ivy
Thanks for the input. This is the first time I've gotten feedback on the post format since I started doing it in September.
I could certainly start adding a link to the blog post at the end.
But just to satisfy my curiosity: why would you rather click through to the blog post and see one screenshot of each item instead of clicking through to each item and seeing all screenshots + video?
rich sky
hmm, strange, that link redirects to front page
Ah...what...
We have to login now just to see blogs
Nvm, that's another isssue
wraith glade
@chilly ivy Because I was on my phone and handling multiple tabs and things is hassle
Normally I'd want to "buy" them all, but when I'm only looking at it from my phone I just want a quick overview to see if anything's interesting
chilly ivy
Ah, of course. I see what you mean. Thanks! 🙂
I added the link to today's post about December, btw.
And I'll do so moving forward.
wraith glade
👍
muted marsh
how do i ask for the badges of the unreal forum? i did a plugin but i didnt receive the badge
chilly ivy
@muted marsh You'll need to contact someone from Epic about that, or perhaps a forum moderator. We don't work for Epic Games.
muted marsh
can you point me where?
chilly ivy
@muted marsh Send an email to community@unrealengine.com.
They'll get you sorted out.
muted marsh
thanks @chilly ivy
fallen moon
Are the text channels intentionally not inside the sections? So the minimization of sections doesn't work
chilly ivy
@fallen moon Every text channel is inside a category. If you're seeing otherwise it might be a bug. Discord is recovering from an outage.
fallen moon
Ah, yeah, now I see, I didn't realize I had to read all to hide them
chilly ivy
Ohhh, now I understand what you're talking about.
Yeah, if you never want channels inside a collapsed category to show, you need to mute them (or mute the entire category, depending on your preferences).
fallen moon
Yupyup, thank you much
rich sky
There are still a decent amount of typical people that, when directed to #looking-for-talent or #looking-for-work have no clue how it works
I would highly advise that you do PMs from a bot with (keep it simple and small) some critical key info when they first join
Obviously you would love to have people read the new rules/faqs whenever those end up coming out, maybe in a year or so
But also, another thing you could do...is force people not to be able to see other channels or anything when they first join. Then they have to read the rules and acknowledge them in a separate channel.
Quite a few other servers do this.
I think the timeout is 5 minutes on this server right, maybe more. (should be since it's partnered)
They have nothing better to do anyway. You could even make it a silly little game to entice them
chilly ivy
@rich sky While drafting the new #more-resources and #old-rules I've had similar thoughts. I'm leaning towards something like your last suggestion: new members can only see a lobby category with #more-resources and #old-rules and must verify their membership through a bot command to gain full access to the server.
Since, as you said, new members already have to wait 10 minutes before they can chat, it stands to reason that they're more likely to read #more-resources and #old-rules while they're waiting if it's all they can do.
Plus I'm making them more useful and easier to read in the first place, so that should help with onboarding as well. 🙂
As for the job board instructions specifically, that will be addressed in a separate update after the Server Discovery/onboarding stuff, when I address the feedback from our survey earlier this year.
mint halo
since your using the rich text message or whatever pfist, maybe you could put a footer in tiny text at the bottom of each message with a link to pinned messages: How to post in #looking-for-work?
azure valve
Can the no harassment rule actually be enforced? I’ve blocked so many members because they sent unsolicited dms. Having pm off isn’t an option in my case.
Even a moderator giving a soft warning would be nice
“We have report[s] that you are harassing member[s] of the Slacker community with unsolicited dm asking for personal help. Please be respectful to our members and do not send dms without consent”
Simple
mint halo
Yea, some kind of intervention to let the person know they are out of line would be appreciated. Assume they just go on to bug everyone else without notice
gritty lotus
I would prefer the 'harassment' rule be accompanied by a 'no unsolicited private messages' rule - spelling out that the best place to actually get help with things is in the correct channels
so many messages asking for basic help that go to people just because they're apparently online, that could be answered by just about anyone
it's a waste of time really
chilly ivy
We have and enforce both of those rules. Unfortunately the rule against unsolicited DMs is hard to find, and this will be addressed in the coming update.
We can only enforce the rules when violations are witnessed by a moderator or reported by someone else, and we can't see every violation, so we rely on user reports in many cases.
mint halo
May want to check with other moderators pfist, I just get told that they can't do anything about it when reported
rich sky
I just post conversations here
Although I didn't really care about this latest one
(this time I remembered to hide names)
It's a common enough occurrence where I think it's mostly not the users fault that they have no clue how to post in those channels
chilly ivy
DMs don't happen on our server so it can be difficult to enforce the rules without more info and/or evidence than usual. However, I do think the rule around this could be clearer and a warning could be issued to first-time offenders given a sufficient report. And again, this will be addressed in the #old-rules update.
chilly ivy
Well I'm here already so I'll handle it.
Please PM me their user ID and full username (username#1234).
vocal blade
love how you redacted everything except message @xxxxxxxx part @rich sky 😄
deft raft
haha
stoic goblet
it's all good
rich sky
I didn't even notice there were other spots...like wtf
chilly ivy
They mean the placeholder text in the input field.
rich sky
Yeah, I noticed it now
mental vessel
Yra, the edit box, lol
stoic goblet
it's kinda funny, I got a report about something similar so I was wondering who it was and then i saw the textbox
chilly ivy
No worries. Appreciate the effort.
stoic goblet
yeah, effort is what counts. nobody is perfect
mental vessel
So, these dm are harassment?
rich sky
Wonder if Discord could implement a "redact" button
rich sky
@mental vessel um not harassments, unsolicited PMs
stoic goblet
don't unsolicit pm
rich sky
Why would you PM people randomly for help?
There are literally 30K people in this server
stoic goblet
it's incredibly annoying
rich sky
Find a channel and ask for help
stoic goblet
(and why I have PMs off... very few people PM me for moderator issues, they PM me asking me to help them on whatever trivial problem they have)
rich sky
Sadly turning PMs off is not an option
mental vessel
This has to be just mentioned kindly to the person then. I don't think it's bad per se.
rich sky
As I run a business and ask people to PM their portfolios
rich sky
Sooo, hard times
stoic goblet
i wish discord had like a "PM request" feature
rich sky
damned if you do, damned if you don't
stoic goblet
where they can't just PM you, they send a message and you can easily ignore it
rich sky
@mental vessel The problem is... this happens (at least to me) quite often
silver heath
How about you handle harassment issues in DM with moderators, otherwise it makes impression that you are farming exposure in a such strange way.
rich sky
And I can only imagine how much more it happens to people with MORE visibility
I am literally at the bottom of this server's list (ABCs baby)
stoic goblet
which is an unfortunate negative pressure on people helping others
rich sky
Another, "damned if you do, damned if you don't" situations
stoic goblet
yeah
rich sky
I like helping people out
vocal blade
i just tell them "i prefer not to help over DMs"
stoic goblet
vocal blade
it doesn't take that long to type
deft raft
"Please use the Unreal Slackers Server for support questions."
Literally the only thing I answer whenever I get a DM.
rich sky
But I can't take on 1v1 Helps all the time (and definitely not for free usually)
stoic goblet
I've been chatting with the other moderators about using a modmail bot for moderator issues, but just pinging moderators has worked really well so far
but it doesn't solve unsolicited PMs to users
mental vessel
Can't use bot in dm?
stoic goblet
no, the bot would be something you DM and it goes to all moderators
rich sky
I would say...have a command for the bot to kindly PM others if unsolicited... like !unsolicited @prime inlet .... but I can see that being abused sadly
wtf..
stoic goblet
yeah
stoic goblet
yeah, don't ping random people
rich sky
my bad dude
mental vessel
Lol
rich sky
well, how was I supposed to know his username was username
mental vessel
Now you are under fire
stoic goblet
but also if their username is username that's kind of asking for it haha
sonic hazel
Maybe a "supporter" role, that people can join/leave via the bot, for people that dont mind DM spam could decrease the DMs amount for those who don't want them could offer a solution
stoic goblet
personally, i don't want to ever encourage unsolicited DMs, even if some people don't mind
deft raft
As far as I'm aware, we can't actively prevent unsolicited DMs from our side or? We can only act on them and hope that people don't do it based on rules.
But if someone ignores the rules it will happen anyway, right?
rich sky
Yea
stoic goblet
because that creates a culture of DMing people for issues, which is not in a public channel and thus it cannot be searched by people who search before asking