🌟│wooting80he

[proven hearth]

you should get a reply soon

[tiny birch]

The automated email does say it can take 1-2 weeks for response

[shell heath]

and later i already press the option for the white zinc (wait i think 2-3 months) but for make sure that lands in dec-jan right?

[tiny birch]

It would be nice if the email said something like "We'll get back to you as soon as possible" to clarify that the automated email doesn't mean that the request didn't go through or something

[jaunty sinew]

i honestly thought i'd have a harder time geting used to wooting when gaming; thus far its really nice tbh

my inputs are actually registering when i want them to xd

[rancid sentinel]

how did the delivery go from early then mid and to late december all in one day

[vagrant haven]

International logistics

[narrow smelt]

does the led bar currently do nothing?

[fallen epoch]

Led bar can sync effects from your profile, act as a caps lock indicator, be a indicator for how far you press on a switch, can show how many profiles you have on the board, can have its own rgb settings

With a background service coming later on thatll add more functionality

[narrow smelt]

ahh ty, just seen the tab on wootility

[rugged wigeon]

does anyone know how to take out the ESC key on the 80he? there isn't enough room to use the included keycap puller and I ended up scratching the walls of the frame a little

[rose bolt]

And I'm still here... just waiting for me to eat the wooting 80he RAW

Are the Raws finally on the ground?

[proven hearth]

#🌟│wooting80he message

[dark cargo]

does anyone have recomendations for grey keycaps for the rawzinc alloy casse

[vagrant haven]

KAT Iron would go hard with the raw case imo

[dim quartz]

oh no

[tiny tartan]

My deck is ready for wooting

[radiant anvil]

i mean if the paint start to form bubbles and to peel off i think is 100% bad paintjob, if mansen is talking abount the easily to scratch case for me is not a problem. I dont have a valid reason to scratch the case if not by accident

[dim quartz]

catboy

catgirl

[analog pilot]

So I sent an e-mail to support asking them to revert my decision for waiting for v2 ~1.5 hrs after I made the choice.
It's most likely that I'll still get my v1 shipped out right?

[fallow jetty]

my 80he is on hold

is there something i have to do

it says i have to confirm my address but its already there?

[pine willow]

#📦│batch_updates message

[hearty sky]

someone must have done it from the team

not sure.

[vernal violet]

When do we get our $40 credit for keeping our keyboard?

I want to use that credit to buy a traveling case from Wooting

[vestal viper]

I can't believe that I waited for this keyboard from March, and now I still have to wait another like 2 weeks because I live in the US. The next 2 weeks are going to be the longest 2 weeks in my life 😩😩

[gritty creek]

rip! my delivery date went from oct 4th to oct 6th. do they even deliver on sunday?

[vestal viper]

I saw that on my order as well, I think they don't. Only on business days I think

[vernal violet]

Either of you two know much about the $40 credit, when will we get it?

[gritty creek]

lol, my gf been telling me its going to be delayed til oct and said keep dreaming, July iS IMPOSSIBLE since March

[vestal viper]

where did you get this information? I've never heard of this xD

[gritty creek]

and i cant believe she was right 100%, exactly OCT

[vestal viper]

damn, she must be secretly working for Wooting LOL 🤣

[vernal violet]

It was only for the white zinc cases

It's 30 days after delivery we get $40 credit

[vestal viper]

if only there were no problems in the mass production phase 🥲

[gritty creek]

lol, she works the for US government military. She does logistics and stuff with orders on military planes/jets

she kept telling me, the production is not going to be smooth sailing, there are going to be problems that pop up and depending on problems, it could take months per problem and couple other things she said

[low token]

She bought wooting for "research"

[gritty creek]

i bought her the 80he for her bday present lol

[low token]

You dont live on base right

[gritty creek]

not me

she doesnt either

[low token]

Oh

[gritty creek]

she is still counted as a civilian, she owns a house like 20 minutes away from the base

she is part of the "CHAIR FORCE". SHe flies high in her chair ;p

[low token]

Waiting for her to leak stuff on warthunder forums

[night jewel]

if your item comes in pristine condition, with no signs of defects or faulty materials but later down the line starts shedding like crazy - sure, thats a warranty claim.

[gritty creek]

what would happen if u try to clean the case with like windex or just water. and a lot of the paint comes off

[hexed eagle]

Anybody showcase the 80he in the zinc alloy case yet?

[shut badger]

Am I able to change the shipping address of the 80he at any time? realized I still have my shipping address shipping to my old place atm

[polar storm]

today i unpacked a preassembled 80he with a warped PCR case :c
didnt see reports about the PCR case. am I the only one?

[fallen epoch]

You can put your order on hold within the wooting hub and edit your address that way

[fickle turret]

What is the material under the stabs made of? My spacebar and shift keys stick when I bottom out the button. Not sure if it should be lubed more or kept dry.

[night jewel]

nope, not the only one. either rma it or try straighten it yourself by grabbing the opposite corners and twisting it

[unborn pecan]

Does anyone know why my order is on hold and how to fix it?

Nvm I figured it out lwk goated

[scarlet glen]

any keycap recommendations for the 80 HE?

[amber vigil]

any idea why the LED on the right stays on even after setting it to Black? The left one turns off completely

[buoyant kite]

What is that space barrrr

[amber vigil]

It's for PUBG lol. So you can quick peek with thumb on crouch

[small citrus]

hi was just wondering if anyone else has this problem with their 80he, seems everytime i boot my pc the keyboard isnt working until i unplug and replug it, obv ez fix but abit annoying

[amber vigil]

The Red LED stays on even for Blue. seems like its stuck on or something

[past parrot]

mini space bar?

[amber vigil]

yeah. probably should've just gone for the JIS layout tbh

[sterile dew]

Is there any non-alpha firmware for the 80HE at the moment?

[lime falcon]

no

[heavy mauve]

has anyone received Gateron Jade Maxes and put them in their 80HE yet? wanted more sound tests before I pull the trigger

[lime falcon]

pull the trigger on geon raws

[heavy mauve]

aren't geons made by the same people behind the lekker v2s

[lime falcon]

no

[heavy mauve]

hm

[lime falcon]

do yourself a favor and dont buy gaterons overpriced product, im not saying that they are bad or anything but its overpriced, geon raws and jade maxes sound pretty similar, raws have tighter tolerance and they are cheaper

[heavy mauve]

I respect you for informing me, this is exactly why I usually wait for switch comparison videos where they go over everything like tolerance/ build quality

[lime falcon]

there are some comparisons on youtube

you can check them out

[heavy mauve]

nothing really for the jade maxes yet

open bottom design for geon raw he?

[lime falcon]

they are open but not like lekkers

[dim sierra]

Jade max if u want full rgb

[lime falcon]

raws have 3.4mm travel jades 3.5

they both sound clacky

[heavy mauve]

I've heard pros / maxs are deeper

due to closed bottom

[dim sierra]

Lekker v2 deepest

[lime falcon]

https://youtu.be/Ju4kxa8C0_c?si=d7EWtF6MkVb-g85T

i doubt jade maxes have different sound, it will be just like jade pros you can see comparison in this video

[dim sierra]

Jade max and pro sounds different

Max sounds similar to raws

While jade pro is slightly clackier

[lime falcon]

Yea then if they sound similar to raws no reason to buy maxes, well if you dont want fully transparent keyboard

[scenic igloo]

I am looking for a switch with a high pitch sound similar to a cymbal crash

[dim sierra]

Yeah no reason for max unless u want to min max rgb

[dreamy wing]

I heard the maxs have a similar dual rail design that prevents stem wobble

[heavy mauve]

I wonder if there's any way to soften the typing feel on the 80HE, I kinda agree with hipyo in that way

[dim sierra]

Jade max and pro, geon raws all have similar wobble stability

[dim sierra]

Stiffness was to ensure that there wont be any input issues, things like flex might affect he switches

[dreamy wing]

The pros and maxes are an upgrade when it comes to stability than the og jades for sho

[dim sierra]

All three of them are a step ahead of the og jades

[heavy mauve]

yeah that's true

[lime falcon]

If youre talking about gasket mount it cant be soft like regular mechanical keyboards otherwise wooting would be unusable

also hipyo is a meme and doesnt know what hes talking about

chinese keyboard shill

[heavy mauve]

whatever pays the bills fr

I hopped out of most mech keyboard news like a year and a half ago after I finished my KBD67R2

[violet garnet]

Half of hipyos review of the 80HE wasnt even about the 80HE

[dreamy wing]

Big facts, what switches do u plan on using on ur keyboard

[calm talon]

any seller for keycaps you guys recommend for the 80he?

[dim sierra]

Sadly the og switches since i have them ready for months before the delay, and was told it wasn’t really worth it to change

[heavy mauve]

I don't mind these lekker v2s but I'm debating on keeping the free 45g variants I got

[dim sierra]

I will go for jade pro solely for my sound preferences, geon raws are the best for price and quality

[lime falcon]

Ill use Lekkers on 80he, even tho im using jades on 60he now

[dreamy wing]

I hear u, I'm leaning towards the jade maxes personally

[lime falcon]

I dont want to use low travel distance anymore

[dim sierra]

If price isnt an issue, just get the ones that fits ur preference

[heavy mauve]

the ironic part about actuation points / bottoming out to me is that even with casual typing, I notice I naturally bottom the keys out because of the force I'm used to.

[dim sierra]

Any reason for this? I use ks-20 for my 60he because im too lazy to swap them out

[lime falcon]

I sometimes play osu and low travel distance isnt it for that game

Also i think lekker v2s are good enough to not waste money on other switches

[heavy mauve]

steel spring, nylon bottom, pc top with pom stem?

do any HE switches use full POM (bottom, top, stem) ? or is there a reason they don't vs traditional (non-HE) ones that do?

[lime falcon]

There are some full pom switches

Idk if they are fully compatible

ask in #🔧│keyboard_modding

[violet garnet]

The only part of the 80HE that's kinda bad stock is the spacebar. Mainly the left side rattles a bit when you press it, at least for mine

[swift anvil]

Is there any video demonstrating how to open PCR case with the kb assembled, the tutorial on yt says push from inside out but with the PCB in place how is that possible? Was thinking of buying the frost case.

[jolly sleet]

For the issue with the wooting white zinc what exactly does release your order as is mean? does that mean ill get shipped the one with the issue sooner with some slight compensation?

[dim sierra]

The v1 white zinc + 40 dollar voucher

If there is a chip on the paint, u can exchange it within 30days

[swift anvil]

the shipping the buyer would have to pay?

[dim sierra]

Im not sure but hopefully not 💀

If u have free shipping while buying, probably free for shipping it back too

[swift anvil]

i know for sure for warranty you have to ship at own cost and shipping damage risk, most likely for 30 days return too. anyone can correct me if i am wrong.

i am talking about countries beside america or europe

[dim sierra]

Iirc it’s as per the delivery fee u paid, and u dont get tax refunded

[swift anvil]

return shipping cost will be refunded? where is that on the site? would the refund be money transfer or site coupons.

[dim sierra]

No, as in u have to pay the same amount u paid for shipping. If u paid $20, u may have to pay $20 to ship it back for returns. But for exchanges im not too sure.

[dim sierra]

Yeah this is for returns, netherland shipping are free iirc and amercia too

Did u find anything on exchanges?

[swift anvil]

didnt get the question.

customs paid?

[dim sierra]

Like exchanges keyboards due to defects and not returning for refund.

[dim sierra]

Oh nice, so it’s mostly case by case

[fallow spire]

If chipped on arrival, we pay the return fee.

Regular returns, this is for the buyer.

[swift anvil]

i was planning to get the 80he with frost case, any chance it will sell in stock or pre order is only option?

[jade widget]

Chances are it's going to be on pre-order for a while

[dim sierra]

Yeah stock wont be there for a few months

[fallow spire]

No assembled version yet. I do think it is a good idea to get an assembled version. But right now focused on just running things as is.

[swift anvil]

and any vid demonstrating how to open an assembled 80he pcr case would be appreciated as some reviewers have broken it.

[fallow spire]

We have quite the productions running, but it all cost time to ramp up.

[fallow spire]

Yes, already on your YT

[swift anvil]

the one i saw was without the pcb in place, with pcb how will you push from inside out. if there is some other vid can you share the link.

[fallow spire]

They didn’t break it, they stressed the plastic. If you have a transparent case this is easier to see.

It actually pretty difficult to break-break it. Instead the hooks will wear

[dim sierra]

Any new colours coming soon?

[fallow spire]

https://youtu.be/2gnstQCvHSA?si=Ixpdc5F7jOnXRNvR

[sterile violet]

I know this is probably not the right channel but which is better? The beast x or superlight 2?

[fallow spire]

First aim for stock and stabilizing.

[dim sierra]

Beast x

[analog pilot]

Hey Calder, think it would be possible for me to remove my order off hold and still get my v1 white zinc?

[jade widget]

Atomic purple translucent 80HE

[swift anvil]

thanks, what i was looking for👍

[swift anvil]

sword x

latest sensor and you might like ergo shape, my first ergo and i am loving it.

[shy heart]

beast
or go vv3p

[sterile violet]

And why beast x? Also whats the dif between beast x man and regular?

[fallow spire]

Am I correct that it means you first opted to hold but now changed your mind?

[proven hearth]

wooting yt has a tutorial

[glossy plume]

I didn't get to see the video linked with the white 80he recalls (hold). Can someone link it to me please? thx

never mind guys i found it

[azure garnet]

any recommendations on 8k polling rate mouse?

[analog pilot]

Yes, that's correct

[sonic kindle]

8k polling makes almost no difference but the best 8khz mouse is the viper v3 pro

[gloomy echo]

This is what I have, it's great

[cerulean monolith]

most pc's can't even really game at 8k polling on a mouse

[azure garnet]

true true, i'll keep my 1k 🙂

[cerulean monolith]

4k is much more doable for most pc's

[azure garnet]

is 4k worth upgrading from 1k?

[sonic kindle]

No

[cerulean monolith]

debatable but i prefer it for fps gaming. it's not huge and if you're not at high frame rates i think it helps even less

[sonic kindle]

You should probably keep it maybe on an artisan zero because it's so light you need stopping power

[sonic kindle]

This tbh

[azure garnet]

i have an artizan zero 😄

[vernal sapphire]

Stabiliazing?

[shy heart]

best 8k mouse is op1 8k

[rugged bobcat]

Best 8k mouse is subjective

[hard vale]

Anyone else choose to get the 80he white zinc and choose shipped and 40$? When can I expect to get the $40 so I can buy that nice wrist rest @ me pls

[analog pilot]

Damn it I missed replying to Calder on time and the deadlock game wasn't even worth it xD

[spring oar]

2 more days before october

1 1/2 to be exact

[shy heart]

not in terms of performance

[gloomy echo]

I use the pulsar superglide skates, it smooooooth

[sonic kindle]

👍

[sonic kindle]

I agree

[sleek badge]

Choosing a mouse based on ”has to have 8k polling rate” is L

Shape and weight. Basically everything is good enough technically.

[sudden grove]

my one requirement, needs a back and forward button

[verbal solar]

i only use it for game keybinds

[wicked rune]

https://tenor.com/view/oh-no-soap-gif-22680670

[verbal solar]

only requirements for me are 2 mouse buttons and it works

[sudden grove]

I use it for well, a back and forward button as I program and it's super useful to have a keybinds to go back in your browser

[sleek badge]

Beautiful new day ahead with 80HE

[spring oar]

Black cat on black setup, can't ask for anything else

[snow canyon]

This looks like an optimum tech setup

[rugged bobcat]

Both are 8k with optical switches aint they?

[snow canyon]

also cat!!

[shy heart]

op1 has better latency and shit

also im pretty sure vv3p isn't optical

[sleek badge]

Well now that you said it. Yea, I guess it kind of does.

[jade widget]

it is, razer hasn't had a mechanical switch mouse for a long time

[rugged bobcat]

what testing showed those results

[rugged bobcat]

It is

[shy heart]

literally any testing that has ever been done between the two

e.g. rtings

[wicked rune]

u wish

[snow canyon]

are you... optimum tech?

[shy heart]

im cooked

[rugged bobcat]

Wild

Insignificant but it’s cheaper so ig u could argue it’s objectively better performance wise

[shy heart]

i highly recommend viscose's recent video on it

[dull token]

a mouse thats 0.0001 gigashits faster will not make you better at video games

[swift anvil]

Yes, and having a wire attached to a gaming mouse is funny in 2024. The latency benefits you will get with op1 8k is not comparable to inconvenience of a wired mouse.

EGG no where in the list of mice used by cs2 pros.

[sleek badge]

Well I don't know. If you have nice bungee, clean desk and lightweight cable like that is positioned upwards like that. I don't think the cable would make much of a difference. But everyone's personal experience may vary.

Viscose indeed made a nice video about that mouse.

[jade widget]

doesn't seem like a lot of 80HE chat in the 80HE channel

[worn prairie]

opinions about X2A eS?

[spark hound]

Wellaksually

[swift anvil]

Viscose saying with good battery life the mouse would need bigger battery and increase the weight of a mouse. Op1 8k wired at 50g is far off the mark when wireless 8k mice are touching 35g. And people complaint about charging the mice. You use you phone and charge everyday. Why not use a landline phone. It would resolve the issue of charging you phone. The points discussed by her are her views which are biased and different from mine.

[sleek badge]

Man. That analogy about the mobile phones. It's rough.

But it's okay. You don't need to like OP1-8K or the wire of it. Plenty of mice to choose from.

[dull token]

is said gigashits, as a joke, cuz its stupid

[dull token]

what the hell do wires have to do with this

swear wireless tech is so good nowadays that wired isnt even any better

[swift anvil]

nah, not wires, the latency, and the shape and overall everything is what i am saying, EGG has not broken into competitive pro market. if its so good with negative latency then pros should at least use it right.

even which ex pro streamers use and swears by op1 8k?

i dont think i should discuss egg in wooting 80he channel

[dull token]

professionals are the only people who MIGHT be able to notice 1k vs 8k, its still a gimmick nontheless

[swift anvil]

1k and 8k is distinguishable by normal folks at high refresh rate monitors, 2k and 4k vs 8k might be undistinguishable.

[tropic quest]

speaking of, my purple op18k is coming on the 8th :)

[dull token]

its really not, its placebo

littearly returned the 8k hz dongle for my DAv3 cuz its dumb. No diff, higher resource usage. 240hz

[spark hound]

I know I know that's why I well aksually

[dull token]

👍

[toxic zephyr]

i'm just gonna use my xm1 with a wire and 1khz for the next foreseeable future, perfect for me

[dull token]

i loved my xm1r, just wish they had a xl version or smth. I ended up with a deathadder cuz i got big hands and dont claw, just rest my palm

[sleek badge]

It is not. Haven't seen a single reliable blind test by anyone that could prove it. It doesn't make any sense with current games or hardware we got, even though, yes, it's technically marginally faster.

[swift anvil]

yeah just marginal gains.

but the price is not that much different, you can have it and use in 2k, 4k untill you upgrade the bottleneck.

[vernal sage]

in mice, it makes a pretty big difference since its based on motion latency, not just on binary states (and also is part of the reason why mice are more taxing on the cpu than kbs)

[sleek badge]

Even a 360Hz monitor can only draw a new image every 2.78ms. Does it really matter if the mouse in the background, is sending a new update of its position every 1ms, 0.5ms, or 0.25ms during very fast motion, when it's so far behind bottlenecked by the visual output. You literally can not see it.

It's like playing a soundsample 1,000 times in one second versus 8,000 times during one second, but your headphones can only playback 360 samples per second. Does it really even matter how many sounds are played in the background as long as it exceeds the headphones capabilties by more than a double.

You have to also take in to account this ONLY happens when there is a need to even send that many samples during one second.

[vernal sage]

hold on a second there

[sleek badge]

very fast flick.

splitting a singular millisecond.

[vernal sage]

even if the monitor can't sample that much faster, it'll generally always send the most up to date picture

so even if you're posting much faster than the monitor

it'll still feel faster because of the lower latency

[sleek badge]

during a flick which even requires more than 1000 samples to be sent.

[vernal sage]

generally I feel it to be more smooth, since a lot of the time theres a fair bit more latency on the computer side to compute the motion data from the mouse

[swift anvil]

i think not just flicks but every motion would be smoother.

[sleek badge]

nope.

[vernal sage]

yep

anything to do with motion will be smoother/faster

[swift anvil]

yes

[sleek badge]

And you can tell this?

[vernal sage]

yes, reliably so

a large part of it is firmware, and egg have done a good job, but its also a stark difference, and one even I notice on a 240hz

good 1k perf = bad 4k perf on avg

aka, egg, fm, razer or logi 1k feels a lot like the cheap compx 4k

[sleek badge]

I do have a 8khz mouse, and 480hz oled. Cant tell a difference. No way.

[vernal sage]

but good 2k+ literally feels insane. for both FM and egg it almost feels like they're pre-empting clicks

[vernal sage]

oled effective latency is closer to 240hz due to bfi and sampling btw

[sleek badge]

WHAT? 😄

[vernal sage]

its a known thing

[dull token]

placebo at its finest

[vernal sage]

oled gtg is really really fast, but effective framerate is much lower due to bfi

[sleek badge]

So due to black frame insertion and sampling (what even is that?) oled effective latency would be similar to half of the refresh rate on LCD. So 480Hz oled = 240Hz lcd?

sorry, but I do think you're cooked.

[vernal sage]

I said almost not that it is dw

ik how it works, but their click latency is absurdly fast

[vernal sage]

do you not know how bfi works? its counting the black frame as a frame in its reported hz

[sleek badge]

Most oleds don't even do bfi.

[vernal sage]

its more than capable of doing 480hz but every oled gaming monitor adds a black frame every 2nd frame, so by definition you're getting about 240hz worth of up to date information

[sleek badge]

maybe as a special novelty feature in some asus models.

[vernal sage]

its not a novelty feature lmfao

its added for motion clarity

[sleek badge]

No. Sorry but you're wrong. It would be great if oleds actually did have bfi to reduce persistence blur even further, but they dont.

Benq's dyac is a bfi solution for example.

or backlight strobing because its' lcd.

[swift anvil]

nah its not placebo, check your cpu usage, it would beg to differ.

[dull token]

i can make a crypto miner that comes with a shitty mouse from ali express, it will use A LOT OF resources doesnt mean its 8k polling

[vernal sage]

yes, so all LCDs use strobing as a way to reduce motion latency

[sleek badge]

No they dont.

[vernal sage]

but since OLEDs done use backlights they dont have a way to do strobing to improve motion clarity so they use bfi

[sleek badge]

No. Very rare for oled to have bfi implementation.

LG C1 tv's had one. Asus monitor models have one (ELMB), which works at half of the max refresh rate and it's fiddly. But that's about it.

And it's almost as rare to find good LCD monitors with proper backlight strobing features. Benq's Dyac being the most mainstream solution. Nvidias ULMB2. Blurbusters.com had one pretty nice model with Viewsonic.

But backlight strobing or bfi are not a given. In neither technology. Would be great if they were.

[dim sierra]

Even if i get the best im still silver

I cant even buy Asus pg27aqdp rn and have to wait a month or so more

[swift anvil]

I think you don't have a 8k mouse.

It's not difficult to check if your mouse is polling at 8k.

Don't need no antminer

[kindred dove]

already created a support ticket for this 2 weeks ago, and i am patient, but in the mean time i was wondering if anyone else has this flex and gap in the front of the white zinc alloy case? https://youtu.be/z1I_Oxc6rZ0

[sleek badge]

can only say, that the black one doesn't. completely sealed lip with no give.

[dull token]

ive tried 8k hz, i didnt feel a difference exept seeing my resources go up

[thorny knot]

lol why

[buoyant solstice]

Check your email, lol

[sleek badge]

That's because it doesn't make a difference like that. While it is technically better. Max reporting rate changing from 1ms to 0,25ms. But splitting a singular millisecond during a high intensity flick is next to pointless in a world where overall hardware latency is still mostly in tens of milliseconds, game engines and frame-times do this and that and most of us even play over the internet.

[azure vapor]

Any option to swap to an abs case from a white zinc?

[buoyant solstice]

No.

[dull token]

oh yea i know lmao

[swift anvil]

resources going up means its doing what is advertised. please know what placebo means.

just cause you cant differentiate dosent make it a placebo

[dull token]

youre seeing numbers go up and think it makes the mouse better and faster, its literally placebo. Blind testing is proof theres no noticable difference lmao

[toxic zephyr]

now you're just pivoting into attacking each other, who cares

one person wants 8k and the other doesn't, big deal

go home

[dull token]

i just want my 80he

[swift anvil]

just cause you cant notice something you cant say it is not working and is placebo. clear the meaning of placebo please.

[buoyant umbra]

I had such a gap, but I just pressed harder and it popped in. Black zinc

[dull token]

placebo effect can be used in more than just the google definition where its all medical lol

[swift anvil]

its a medical term.

[dull token]

It can be applied to a lot of things...

[rich trail]

You are describing nocebo

[dull token]

Its phychological

[dull token]

?

[swift anvil]

just say i cant differentiate between 8k and 1k. no need to use terms u dont get.

[dull token]

Bro, you cannot tell me with a straight face 8k makes a difference

[swift anvil]

all the test prove it.

[dull token]

You just think it does

[rich trail]

It technically does and is measurable

[swift anvil]

it makes a difference

[swift anvil]

exactly

[dull token]

Yes because 0.0001 difference is something you can actually see and feel

ur not a computer bud

[rich trail]

Yeah but its fact that it does make a difference and is measurable.
If you do not feel it i dont care
I dont care if you feel it

[swift anvil]

yeah say i or humans cant feel it just cause you think or feel something that dosent make it a fact. the fact is 8k polling works.

[dull token]

works to decrease things that you cant feel or notice lol

smaller number = better = im better right??

[swift anvil]

8k is a fact and literally not what placebo means.

[dull token]

The placebo is you seeing a bigger number and thinking it makes a difference becvause youre convinced by outside sources

if you didnt know you had an 8k mouse in your hand you wouldnt be able to tell

[toxic zephyr]

what is the point of this conversation exactly?

[swift anvil]

placebo would be the software having option to toggle to 8k but still running at 1k and you feeling that its 8k. i dont think you are getting it.

[dull token]

like a doctor giving you a pill that says you run faster and suddenly you think you actually do

[swift anvil]

you are contradicting yourself.

[dull token]

if you could make a script that changed the hz everytime your pc resets, you wouldnt be able to tell anything appart without checking lol

[swift anvil]

the pill is actually making you faster in this casse though

[toxic zephyr]

put your money where your mouth is and run that study and then come back if you want to convince people

[swift anvil]

thats why tests are there

[toxic zephyr]

before you do that this convo is pointless

[dull token]

the 8k believers are the ones who have to do this test lol, my claim is that i wont feel a difference

[toxic zephyr]

why can't you just let them enjoy it

[rich trail]

Can you measure a difference ✅
Can you feel a difference ❓
@dull token says no, you must be a computer bud 🙅🏾
Is 8k poll a feature that is designed to make it feel better? I don’t think so 🤔

[swift anvil]

again with feelings

[dull token]

wtf is the point of seeing bigger or smaller numbers and not actually feeling it?

imagine getting a 500hz monitor and not feeling the difference, pretty dissapointing no?

[rich trail]

That is the right question.
It is intended for performance and not for a „feel“

[toxic zephyr]

alright well I tried, have a nice 3 more hours arguing about the same thing

[dull token]

its designed to feel smother and have less delay no? whats the point if its just numbers

[rich trail]

Just told you lol

[dull token]

"performance" is feel in the case of a mouse

[rich trail]

Overclock your graphics card, does it feel better now 💀

[swift anvil]

performance is performance and feel is feel. hope you get that.

[dull token]

its gonna give more frames, so yea?

[rich trail]

Not really

Sometimes it decreases performance

Because of temperature increases

[dull token]

???? what the hell is the point of a mouse performing better if it stays the same

[swift anvil]

what you gonna do with more frames if you cant feel difference of 500hz? 😂

[dull token]

you can actually feel that difference lol, its noticable

[swift anvil]

oh now you can "FEEL"👍

[dull token]

bro i feel like its not that hard to comprehend

[rich trail]

If you say something feels like performance its such an artificial way of describing a feel and can not be stated as facts
However if we talk about performance from a technical standpoint, which we are doing then you should not mix it up with your way of thinking about performance @dull token

[dull token]

A mouse's whole purpose is to point, or aim in games. That is all. If it does not feel faster, or smoother or anything, whats the difference?

[rich trail]

The polling rate and resources it takes

[dull token]

A gpu that only increases fps by 1-2 frames that you cannot really see or feel still benefits you bevcause it does way more behind the scenes

[rich trail]

A performance difference is there

[dull token]

it renders well everything

[dull token]

BUT FOR WHAT

[swift anvil]

wow

[dull token]

thats the whole point

a mouse has only 1 task

[rich trail]

To increase or decrease it, it is not correlating to any feel that you are capable of noticing

[dull token]

so big number make you happy?

[swift anvil]

lul, click latency, tracking latency, smoothness in tracking????

[dull token]

thats the whole point

[rich trail]

No feels attached

[gloomy echo]

I “feel” like this is the alt of the guy who complained for 3 hours earlier.

Same cringe “I have a different opinion about this so you’re wrong” discord vibe

https://tenor.com/view/waiting-comedy-ryan-reynolds-gross-sick-gif-3496531

[dull token]

thats all part of aiming

also isnt click latency tied more to the switch?

its mostly just tracking thats allegedly "better"

[swift anvil]

but you want to make it a single point, just like that in display the refresh rate, colour accuracy, brightness all play a role but in that case you are happy with 1-2 extra frames. wow

[dull token]

buying a new gpu for 1-2 frames is stupid

[rich trail]

No feels attached, a performance option of 8k polling is given. It technically increases performance but yet there is no real world application that can reveal you its purpose of existence to notice it or as you say „feel“ it.
Its feature existence is to be future proof and cutting edge technical wise

So stop overthinking it

[dull token]

Buying things because the number is better is crazy to me

[swift anvil]

i need to touch grass✌️

[rich trail]

You state this without context, did you buy it cuz number go boom?

[dull token]

i tried 8k because all the numbers say it makes a good difference, the graphics companies put of 8k hz makes it look like some breakthrough in tech, its 5x faster better, everything, when its not

[gloomy echo]

https://tenor.com/view/dont-feed-the-troll-troll-wander-over-yonder-wander-dont-feed-gif-22194047

[dull token]

when you actually try it, its pretty dissapointing

no difference besides the resource hogging

[rich trail]

Oh yeah thats good marketing I suppose xD

[dull token]

Ye, and thats how its being sold, when in reality its all the same

Having 8k hz on a keyboard is even more a gimmick

[vivid merlin]

Guys, you can't track performance because humans can only see 24 FPS, case closed, discussion over.

[rich trail]

I mean just look at 8k marketing from the 80HE

[dull token]

thats something that i dont think will even be measurable by a computer, its just a bigger number

[rich trail]

It is measurable haha that is the whole point

[dull token]

its actually 60fps, console on top 🤓

[rich trail]

Im out, icant 💀

[dull token]

by a computer sure, we aint computers

[rich trail]

Can you measure anything related to keyboards transmission yourself xdd

[swift anvil]

no buddy we are not computer, but you might be a super computer.

[rich trail]

Are you plugging the keyboard into your body

[dull token]

I mean I think a normal person can tell the difference between a membrane keyboard and an optical one

[rich trail]

I feel like talking to a flat earther its crazy rn

[tight swallow]

What is a normal person? And well with basic instructions everyone can

[dull token]

theres no way you believe this strongly in 8k hz that you think im saying something crazy lmao

[tight swallow]

Also the normal person on this server isnt the general normal (when it comes to keyboards)

[rich trail]

You can read my opinion in all texts above and on wootings 80HE site, I explained you its existence even and which applications are using it

[drifting shuttle]

my 8K 80HE going to be OP

[rich trail]

Mine too when I get it in december

[tribal scroll]

Anyone know if Batch 2 will still get White Zinc or was production of it completely halted? I'm assuming only leftovers from Batch 1 will trickle down to Batch 2 orders if there are any at all.

[warped schooner]

YEAHHHHHHHHH, NUMBER + RGB SETUP = SKILL

Pro combo

[fluid venture]

I mean, going from 500hz to 1000hz polling rate is an improvement of 1ms between ticks, it's already a pretty much imperceptible improvement

[verbal solar]

hello

[fluid venture]

1000hz to 8000hz is less than a 1ms difference and if someone says it makes a huge difference I'd call them full of shit

[verbal solar]

what happens if my package amazon gave me is completely empty lol

[fluid venture]

oof

[verbal solar]

or UPS or whatever

[fluid venture]

contact support?

[verbal solar]

on the day it was supposed to be delivered on, I was home all day and no one came but the driver marked it as "not home, go pick it up at x location" (paraphrased) and when i went to go pick it up the guy there said he received it like this and he doesn't touch the packages and that i should contact the company i bought it from

[fluid venture]

but yeah super high polling rates feel like a gimmick in the same vein as 25k dpi mice or 540hz monitors

[sleek badge]

It's is what it is. All I hope that people would understand what it is. We cant be this stupid of a species. 8khz polling rates are real close to audiophile grade scammy snake-oil things. While still not being an actual scam. It triggers me when kiddo's buy in to that marketing and "definitely" can feel the difference.

but 1000hz monitors are definitely needed (for real)

1000hz or 1ms is a good endgoal for now. Parity that with everything and then we'll proceed with further fine tuning.

Atleast with that type of monitor, you could maybe even sometimes see the benefits of 2000Hz mouse. Small still. But there.

[west rivet]

Can you tell me the difference between digital and analog profiles?

[fluid venture]

credit where credit's due though, the popularization of gaming and esports made it way easier to find high spec peripherals

[low token]

Digital dosent have controller mode

[buoyant solstice]

Analog = You've bound controller inputs.
Or can rather***

[fluid venture]

I remember the days when most mice had laser or error prone sensors and companies were more concerned about cranking up the dpi and adding more RGB spiky bits than improving ergonomics or improving sensor fidelity and error speeds

[restive bay]

if you can notice it you better donate your body to science

[fluid venture]

fr lmao

[buoyant solstice]

32k DPI, RGB tied to your game actions, sniper button, fifteen side buttons.

Gotta check all the check marks

[restive bay]

best feature is the rapid trigger which makes the keyboard more responsive

[fluid venture]

you're giving me flashbacks

[restive bay]

the 1 ms diff is impossible to see it even for pros

what they care about is ergonomics and comfort, about pure performance not even that. Most pros in CS2, Apex or Valorant still plays with 1k polling rate mices

[sleek badge]

Splitting a singular millisecond. Which is only splitted during an action / speed which would even need more than 1000 updates per second. It's at extreme speed for most dpi+sensitivity combos.

[fluid venture]

the funniest peripheral purchasers are people that believe the "1MS RESPONSE TIME" that's stapled onto like 99% of gaming monitors

[restive bay]

I have a Benq 2566K (360hz) which is obviously better than my old 144hz benq monitor

but that havent made me a pro or anything, just better visuals for sure

[fluid venture]

in practical use that's gonna be closer to 3~5ms and nobody really gives a shit

[restive bay]

better experience, better performance but nothing crazy about it

[fluid venture]

they don't even notice

[sleek badge]

What would it matter anyways, if it's 1ms or 2ms g2g. As long as it's compliant with the refresh cycle. Most of the blur is persistence blur anyways.

But yeah, most LCD's are 3-5ms on most transistions, and that's with + overshoot.

oleds are the way to go, if you want actually fast.

[fluid venture]

I've been considering an oled screen for about a month now

but I think I'll wait a bit more and see how the current generation of oleds hold up to the test of time

if current gen oled monitors don't suffer from mass burn in issues like 3~5 years from now I'll probably go for oled then

[west rivet]

Is the analog profile a function used when using an Xbox gamepad?

[spring oar]

1khz monitor def gonna be nice. Idk how to get there tho, maybe they just copy paste crt but makes it faster.

[lime falcon]

NA folks tomorrow is a big day (hopefully)

[midnight iron]

It’s dangerous I need my 80he shipped before shafies

I don’t want to become a class 7 citizen

[spring oar]

There's still shipment time from warehouse to their home

Tomorrow wooting just need to speed run getting the orders to Asia

[lime falcon]

Igor definitely does nothing, youre about to become 7th class citizen, Im going to rank up

Real Igor picture has been leaked

Youre cooked sno

[midnight iron]

Don’t you disrespect Igor like that. He brought my raw zinc to the eu warehouse by swimming with one hand from China and using the other hand to hold up my zinc raw case above water

[unkempt palm]

so am i supposed to get the store credit after I recieve my white 80he?

[lime falcon]

You should get an email

[oak jungle]

today is the day you guys get your boards

[remote granite]

Can eu brug get some updatessss

last update on aug 6. still in mass production stage......

[karmic canyon]

is there any guide so far on disassembling the 80he zinc? i was thinking of reversing the asembly here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LNa5wuqiFVY but this requires me to remove all the keycaps and switches first, is there a better way

[buoyant solstice]

Yup

[buoyant solstice]

What exactly do you want to accomplish?

Don't need to remove any keycaps or switches to get the module out.

[lime falcon]

Disassemble speedrun any%

[karmic canyon]

theres a small gap between my top and bottom zinc plates which shouldnt be there, and i suspect its due to maybe not being screwed in aligned properly. so i want take apart the top cover and put it back

for reference

[buoyant solstice]

Just need to get the 7 screws out to get the top plate off.

[tiny tartan]

That number keeps increasing
From Oct 1 to Oct 3

[arctic ice]

https://tenor.com/view/goodnight-fml-bye-gif-5113989

[white dock]

yeah you will never see your keeb

[dim sierra]

https://tenor.com/view/mr-bean-mrbean-bean-mr-bean-holiday-mr-bean-holiday-movie-gif-11625313334009911234

[arctic ice]

from 19th of sept to 14 of oct gang (probably 18th of oct if lucky)

[sterile violet]

I want to get the beast x BUT its wireless so less speed...

[fallen epoch]

What

[karmic canyon]

sadly it didnt fix anything, but all good. im happy with it as is

[fallen epoch]

Nice pfp, very silly

[lime falcon]

what

??

[sharp summit]

Did the packer go on vacation?

[lime falcon]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-sleep-tired-cute-fall-gif-16800425820851310166

[fallen epoch]

Indeed, sunday funday

[lime falcon]

Tomorrow.

[sharp summit]

[lime falcon]

💀

[fallen epoch]

The endless cycle

[midnight iron]

not submitted yet means you're raw zinc i assume

or white zinc

[lime falcon]

Not group 1 chad lol

[daring berry]

I really really hope I like how the raw case looks in person after all this lmao

[sharp summit]

This estimated delivery time module needs to be rewritten

This is cheating on my feelings

[midnight iron]

i'm ready for my pristine raw zinc

[spring oar]

Do you have raw keycaps ready tho? For the Raw Raw Raw

[midnight iron]

yeah got keycaps and matching cable ready

[fallen epoch]

He does have raw switches though

[midnight iron]

raw switches are a given of course

[fallen epoch]

Praise be lord geon

[midnight iron]

I need to decide on if I want to blocker 4 of the keys or not

or maybe just 2

[lime falcon]

Glory to geon and all that he touches

[midnight iron]

got a bunch of multi key blocks with my set

[fallen epoch]

I hope whoever geon collaborates with will have stickers that i can use to spread the cult, i mean word of his wonderful products

[midnight iron]

i think probably i'll do the world 8-4 blocker, because really i only need some of those side keys and not all 6

[lime falcon]

Wooting X Geon is happening.

[white dock]

who is geon

[midnight iron]

who isn't geon

[lime falcon]

G in Geon stands for God

[white dock]

?

[fallen epoch]

[lime falcon]

Geon

[pseudo parrot]

but does the raw he switch have nice emotes like these

[fallen epoch]

We can make it happen

[pseudo parrot]

[livid cypress]

Very retro, nice

[rose bolt]

I would love if some wooting moderator would create a poll so that we could see how is the current opinion about the 80he. From "Love it" to "Return it" and then of course, only people who have actually received it would vote.

[buoyant solstice]

[lime falcon]

[fallen epoch]

vibes, yes or no?

[pseudo parrot]

hm i want it, but i want switchy and slug plushies first

[fallen epoch]

TRUE

im debating to buy gmk november fog right now

[pseudo parrot]

ohh hm that would match nicely with ghost

[fallen epoch]

im sitting here in checkout, once again letting the decision loom over me

[low token]

More gmk you have you feel even better

[pseudo parrot]

allthough it doesnt have that coffee look

[fallen epoch]

buut it does have deer in novelties

[pseudo parrot]

hmm fair point

[spring oar]

nooo, stop before you fall into the spending spiral

[fallen epoch]

i think imma do it

[mossy ocean]

what did you do for the cable

[pseudo parrot]

keyboard photoshoot in the forest incoming

[fallen epoch]

oh i can definitely do that

university grounds is pretty much a forest

[pseudo parrot]

neat, i think this set would really match the scenery

[fallen epoch]

especially now that it should be getting a little bit colder

[pseudo parrot]

ah yes warm coffee cup in the background ☕

[fallen epoch]

We do happen to have a starbucks on campus grounds

[pseudo parrot]

haha thats perfect

[fallen epoch]

It’s all lining up

[low token]

I'am already far too gone

[midnight iron]

i'm doing retro/brown and white theme so cable is osume dalgona

[sterile violet]

Im planning on getting the beast x but its wireless... so slower connection.. or i can get the sp2

[buoyant solstice]

[scenic igloo]

I can be the voice of reason

“Do you really need another keycap set? Investing that money in a low fee index fund would be the wise decision “

[proven hearth]

wireless/wired doesnt matter in 2024 for mice

[sterile violet]

Looking for max performance..

[proven hearth]

theres so little difference you wont notice

[scenic igloo]

Then go wired 8k

[fallen epoch]

can always use more keycap sets

[sterile violet]

Sp2?

[mossy ocean]

that looks real nice

[fringe socket]

bro my estimated delivery time is being pushed back every day😭

[lime falcon]

bro what do you mean, you wrote that second time today

SLOWER CONNECTION?

it literally has one of the best latency on the market

[scenic igloo]

Wired End Game Gear OP1 8k

[scenic igloo]

Nothing wireless will beat wired latency

[lime falcon]

slow connection

[winter crane]

Raw HE came in the mail today

[proven hearth]

[spring oar]

Thank you for your contribution to the Church of Geon

[proven hearth]

May the lord bless you!

[oak jungle]

from which website you order it ?

[oak jungle]

lol ty

eeeeeeeeeh aliexpress way cheaper

:L

[sterile violet]

Thats what i mean

[lime falcon]

https://tenor.com/view/ups-error-facepalm-gif-15403364

[humble cargo]

that's what I thought for a long time but I'm never going back to a wired mouse again

its not the 00s anymore wireless has improved immeasurably since

[narrow smelt]

will snappy tappy get you banned from cs2?

[fallen epoch]

#⏬│rappy_and_snappy , and no. Youll just get kicked from your match

[narrow smelt]

oh ok

[lime falcon]

You cant use it on official valve servers, otherwise you will get kicked

[barren brook]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[lime falcon]

wait

[winter crane]

How much is it there

Didnt see it on there when I ordered it

[oak jungle]

80 switches =46 include shipping

$46

[glacial wedge]

Can wooting just ship my 80HE from the thaiwan factories?

Fk it ill pay 50 for shipping

[buoyant solstice]

From the Mainland China factories? No. By law

[glacial wedge]

[glossy flax]

what about import tax :)

[oak jungle]

there is none

[worn compass]

Tomorrow

I forgot what I was gonna say forget it

[jovial ferry]

Absolutely loving my 80HE

the only - so far was rattling spacebar, but thats nothing a little bit of lube wouldnt fix

[lime falcon]

optimum wake up

[glossy flax]

There is in the EU anyway.

[karmic canyon]

the 80he feels like typing on rubber

[glossy flax]

love the keycaps!

[lime falcon]

Keyboard settings

[oak jungle]

boucy?

bouncy? soft?

how the feel look like

smooth?

[winter crane]

What about taxes

For me it was 60eur for 90 switches

[winter crane]

Where are you located, there is 27% vat for me when importing

[civic frigate]

Anyone know where I can buy a fr4 plate for the 80he?

[oak jungle]

Saudi Arabia

[oak jungle]

holy 27% !!

[scenic igloo]

Yea that’s crazy

[winter crane]

Yeaaa different type of economy here

So 60eur for 90 isnt cheap but not bad either

[spice wagon]

good old hungarian VAT

[zealous oak]

Raw zinc guys, this is going to be our week

[midnight iron]

Plate files not public yet I believe

[jovial ferry]

I can only compare the keyboard with the 60HE. Compared to it, the 80HE feels much more pleasant for typing. You can definitely feel a greater lightness and bounciness when typing. I tested the keyboard with different switches: Lekker v1 60, Lekker v2 60, Gateron Jade, and Gateron Jade Max. I completely fell in love with the latter; their sound and feel are incomparably better.

[late drum]

Anyone got cool keycaps for the 80he? Want to buy some to make it look nicer

[humble cargo]

I mean you can just google keycaps or custom keycaps and you'll find a ton

or browse aliexpress

[midnight iron]

you probably want to give people colors/types of looks you like

[late drum]

im interested in keycaps that have a japanese vibe, preferably darker colours

[fleet forge]

i tried to find caps id like and was ready to pay for for hours and didnt find anything id like. the only ones im intersted it in are the rxrays but those would be 130 bucks <.<

there seem to be fakes of those on aliexpress tho. no idea if theyre good

[midnight iron]

what price range

[fleet forge]

did they send out yours already?

[midnight iron]

nah 3rd october was rough estimate from mark

[proven hearth]

not on an 80he, but close enough for the general idea, i can give pics of frow and the other keys

pbtfans keycaps are pretty good quality and they look nice with a tiny bit of texture

[bronze copper]

is it fate that thee US freight dock workers are going on strike so the USA isnt going to get thee 80HE

[buoyant solstice]

Eh?

Maybe I dunno... read batch updates? 😄

#📦│batch_updates message

[coarse crest]

That’s when you drive over and take it for yourself /s

[bronze copper]

this is seperate from Wooting USA dock workers are goin on strikee

[bronze copper]

hell yeah

[buoyant solstice]

The... keyboards are already there. On land.

[bronze copper]

im hoping thee bathes made it to the warehouse before

[buoyant solstice]

And even ignoring that fact, isn't the strike on the EAST coast of the US?

[bronze copper]

i Belive its all its 45,000 workers

so that mayhbe west and east

[buoyant solstice]

Some 25,000 dockworkers at East Coast and Gulf Coast ports, from Boston to Houston, could strike as early as October 1.

*Which ports would be affected?
There are 14 ports where dockworkers could strike, according to the U.S. Maritime Alliance. They are the Ports of Boston, New York/New Jersey, Philadelphia, Baltimore, Norfolk, Wilmington, Charleston, Savannah, Jacksonville, Miami, Tampa, Mobile, New Orleans and Houston.

Dockworkers at West Coast ports are represented by a different union. They reached a new contract agreement last year after a prolonged negotiation.*

Nope. No effect on our ability to receive restocks.

[bronze copper]

you should post this as an update to makee suree thee NA folks arent worried

[buoyant solstice]

I hope americans can read and google.

[arctic ice]

thats a big if

[spring oar]

Some people can't dicern between East and West so ehh, 50/50

[buoyant solstice]

https://tenor.com/view/well-that's-too-damn-bad-holes-too-bad-oh-well-suck-it-up-gif-14703423262202948839

[fallen epoch]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-squarepants-patrick-star-weast-gif-13411644

[wheat copper]

Can you share to me your keycaps?

[arctic ice]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_mWtWz_aGyk good ol interviews

[proven hearth]

its called the PBTfans Crosshair

[arctic ice]

four sides in triangle

[wheat copper]

Thank you

[glacial wedge]

I wouldn’t over think it people barely read what hurricanes are going strike em next never the less their keyboard delays

[scenic igloo]

I need proof

[buoyant solstice]

[scenic igloo]

Handwritten note with time stamp

[humble cargo]

outrageous assumption to make

[scenic igloo]

And you smiling standing next to the pallet; thumbs up is optional

[worthy wigeon]

Should i dismount all the 80HE keyboard to only change the switches ?

[buoyant solstice]

No.

[worthy wigeon]

Even if i have the white zinc case?

Since the scratches and chips may happen using the tools to extract the switches

[buoyant solstice]

Well you CAN do it, if you're uncertain about your ability to pull switches without hitting the case constantly.

[worthy wigeon]

Is it worth it to make the tape mod ?

[proven hearth]

as an american, i can confirm some do not have this ability

[scenic igloo]

This is …. acceptable

[worthy wigeon]

Perhaps, i might do it, if im going to lube all the switches and such. Yes, i already watched the video of the sound, but it didn't change too much

[livid cypress]

New line of ducky keyboards?

[vapid storm]

I thought everyone would recognize mansen's red thumb by now

[safe meadow]

top wireless is indistinguishably slower than wired nowadays as in human cant really perceive the diffference unless equipped with high accuracy testing equipment

[scenic igloo]

They were asking for “top performance” and I was being sarcastic

[safe meadow]

ahhh ok

missed the context

[analog pilot]

I have news for you 😂

[scenic igloo]

Nothing will beat a wired connection in latency but yes a human couldn’t tell between the two

[next lark]

theres like no point in a wireless keyboard

its not like you need to move your keyboard

[zealous oak]

Well unless you want it wireless for some aesthetic or mobility purposes

[safe meadow]

y its a godsend for mouse tho

[next lark]

a keyboard and a mouse are two separate things

[humble cargo]

do you drag your keyboard around on your desk like you do your mouse?

thought not

[spring oar]

Wireless keyboard feels worse than mouse, in rhythm game at least. That or the signal is interfered.

[scenic igloo]

Use a good bungee and cord, also don’t have to worry about battery when running high polling

[zealous oak]

Portability, some people take keyboards with them and don't want to use cables all the times to connect to laptops or whatever stuff

[humble cargo]

still need to plug in that dongle into it no

[zealous oak]

But a dongle is not a cable lol

[humble cargo]

I mean its not like its a huge step in effort to plug in a cable over a dongle

[lime falcon]

those people buy apple keyboards

[scenic igloo]

Generally you leave the dongle plugged in - they’re so small anyways

[humble cargo]

and you'll still have to plug it in for charging on a regular basis anyways, especially if you're gonna have some fancy gaming keyboard with hall effect and rgb, that thing gonna suck your battery dry in a few days

[zealous oak]

ofc nobody invented eternal batteries yet

[humble cargo]

I do get the appeal with wireless mouse very well, I use one myself, but for a keyboard its usefulness is a lot more niched

[zealous oak]

I use wireless mouse and wired keyboard myself, but I understand people who want to go full wireless, as I said it can be for multiple purposes

[humble cargo]

I got a wireless bt keyboard here and its very handy for some usecases, but not something I bought for or use for gaming

[zealous oak]

Exactly I wouldn't use it for gaming either tbh

[safe meadow]

i also use wireless mouse and keyboard wired myself. Was debating going wireless but with wired wooting never felt particularly annoyed so thats gonna stay

planning to upgrade next year to 80HE from Two HE

[humble cargo]

brought my 60HE with me on some trips and its super convenient on the go already

[fallen epoch]

I’m just glad the 80he cable is 2m

Very good qol

[humble cargo]

the 1.85m one is plenty long enough for me already

[pseudo parrot]

right, makes it easier to use with my standing desk

[fallen epoch]

I just suck bad at cable management, it’s spaghetti hell there

[safe meadow]

waiting for next year cause my birthday is close to new year and cause i wanted to avoid any possible issues with early adopting new stuff and unfinished software

[humble cargo]

I don't even care about cable management behind my desk, I only ever look under there while cleaning anyways

[pseudo parrot]

i keep wired periperals to a bare minimum just to avoid a spaghetti mess

80he and uwu are my only wired products haha

[humble cargo]

meanwhile me having an audio interface with 19 individual cables running to and from it on my desk

[wispy trellis]

actually those new silicon cables are really smoth and fall nicely ^^ hafe 2 cables on my deskl 1 for keyboard 1 for Maus/gamepad/hitbox/and x if x is out of chjarge

[pseudo parrot]

nice

[sharp fossil]

Why does my estimate keep getting pushed back? Are they not dispatching as fast as they thought they could or what?

[buoyant solstice]

Correct.

[sharp fossil]

Drink a redbull or something come on.

[fallen epoch]

Nasty drink, tea is better

[midnight iron]

The estimate will keep going up until your order is shipped

it just assumes your order is packed and shipped asap - which doesn't happen

[sharp fossil]

Is there a way it could just be done immediately?

[sinful scroll]

What’s your guys favorite mouse lookin to upgrade from g502 x

[sharp fossil]

Viper V3 Pro

[pure glacier]

g502 x lightspeed lol

[fallen epoch]

I mean, if you want mark to deliver to you personally itd cost 150,000

[spring oar]

Milk tea better

[sinful scroll]

I was looking at those. Just debating on wait to see what all comes out this year

[sharp fossil]

But a Deathadder V3 Pro probably better coming from a g502

[fallen epoch]

I just like tea in general

[spring oar]

Yeah!!!

[wispy trellis]

Chai^^

[fallen epoch]

Havent had chai before

Really should

[spring oar]

Anything non razer?

[sharp fossil]

150,000 zimbabwe dollars no problem

[sharp fossil]

Lamzu Thorn

[sharp fossil]

Or Vaxee NP-01

[spring oar]

I'll take a look soon

[scenic igloo]

Ninjutso Sora v2

[arctic ice]

egg op1 xm2

[sharp fossil]

Did they ever bring out the 4K dongle lol

[sand epoch]

Not the email I was hoping for regarding the white zinc case 😔

[scenic igloo]

nope I am thinking they skipped it and went to work on 8k

[analog pilot]

polling rates above 1k are absolutely minimal in impact

they actually make no statistically significant impact on input latency, it's just marketing buzz because the tech has stagnated for a bit

[scenic igloo]

its 39 g without any crazy cuts

[analog pilot]

they're at a "where do we go from here" point

[scenic igloo]

like the DPI wars

[arctic ice]

u do get click latency benefits bbut again, minimal in impact

[analog pilot]

they're on the order of microseconds though

[dreamy sedge]

@i did i have a very tiny grey spot on one of the corners

[arctic ice]

focus on the shape and quality control above all and sensor implementation

[scenic igloo]

quality control leaves out Pulsar and Final Mouse then?

[sharp fossil]

I went down the ultralight rabbit hole. As a Valorant player I found my aim started getting worse the lighter I went. I like something around 55-70g.

[scenic igloo]

https://tenor.com/view/bye-felicia-hiding-humiliated-leave-me-alone-girl-bye-gif-21567771

[analog pilot]

I replied to Calder a little late, but he had asked me if I meant to change my mind about putting my v1 on hold for a v2 white zinc, that's not a problem right? I'd like to go ahead with the v1.

Also, regarding mice, I like the asus keris 2

granted I'm not that great at fps's, I only reached high rankings in the more "casual" fps games like OW, Halo MCC/Inifinite, R6S and I guess my mmr is on the higher end in deadlock

[arctic ice]

definately dont go finalmouse, ive purchased from them 3 times all dogwater in termsof qc and support customer service

[sharp fossil]

I have a few mice so I like to think I know a little bit about them.

[fallen forge]

pretty sure pulsar got their act together some time ago, a bit anecdotal but i've had more qc issues with vaxee than pulsar

[arctic ice]

ooh that vaxee nice

[scenic igloo]

had similar experience with Pulsar ><

[analog pilot]

Maybe give a zowie or asus a try then

[sinful scroll]

You like the maya

[analog pilot]

you might like their shapes

[sharp fossil]

NP-01 is so nice

[arctic ice]

about to order one myself heard nice things sad s models are all out of stock , wanna try both models

they also announcing new shape e1

[fallen forge]

Shape and clicks are nice although middle click is horrendous and the thing feels less solid weighting almost 70g than some 50g chinese mice

[primal dew]

how long does it take for wooting site to show your order after payment

[arctic ice]

https://eu.vaxee.co/news.php?act=view&id=184

[fallen forge]

oh and the price is insane

[sharp fossil]

Still the Viper V3 Pro for me. It might not be exotic but it's the best.

[proven hearth]

max 1 hour

[arctic ice]

i dont mind the weight in the slightest lol 70 is light imo, i also still have the fm 37g meh, doesnt really bother me

[primal dew]

alr thanks

[fallen forge]

the issue is not that it's heavy, i don't mind it either

the issue is that it feels more cheap/flimsy than mice that are lighter

[sharp fossil]

I had a WLMouse Beast X mini. 1) I regretted getting the mini 2) If they make a solid side variant then I might buy it.

[fallen forge]

viper v3 pro, dav3 hyperspeed, zowie u2 is what i tried recently and all of them feel like absolute tanks compared to it

[arctic ice]

ah okay, i got it the other way around usually the lighter ones feel cheap and flimsy

[arctic ice]

ill still buy it , everyones perception is different

[fallen forge]

ye that's what baffled me, lol, even cheapo zaopin z1 pro was more solid

i'd say try and find used vaxee, maybe 3d print the shape for test if you have that option

there's also incott ghero that people say is good, but i haven't tried it

[arctic ice]

i watched reviews and everyone basicly says the opposite lol

idk will see

[fallen forge]

i might be too paranoid, but feels like nowadays the reviewers will say anything, but there's always variance between units, etc

[stray quartz]

Does the Wooting Detachable Cable sold on this official website support 8000 Hz and Tachyon Mode?

[sharp fossil]

Oh nice, something I can use my 40EUR on. Straight cable all the way.

[amber lodge]

Got a good mouse recommendation on the cheaper side? Lol broke my super light using a g502 hero wired have a g305 wireless don't really care for

[sharp fossil]

What price range?

[amber lodge]

Preferably 60 USD or under

But I know you get what you pay for had my super light for 3 years

I guess best bang for bucks is what I mostly want

[stray quartz]

Does it support 8000 Hz and Tachyon Mode?

[midnight iron]

yeah

[stray quartz]

ok thank you

[shy heart]

what grip and hand size

[sharp fossil]

VGN Dragonfly F1, could be an option

Pro or Pro max

[next lark]

do you have a choice of polling rate on the 80he

like can you just run 2k

[sterile dew]

I'm getting a lot more shooting errors on my 80HE compared to the 60HE and I can't figure out why. I think I've set them up with the same settings. The switches feel a bit different but I feel like there's something I'm missing...

[shy heart]

are you sure you have your rt/actuation/socd etc the same

[sterile dew]

Yeah pretty sure

[amber lodge]

i would like something similar to the logitech x superlight in terms of shape thats all i know

[amber lodge]

this actually looks like a good option. thank you never heard of them

[shy heart]

can u at least try answer the questions? superlight shape is infamously not that good

[amber lodge]

uh no? thats a rude way to put it lmao

i said the super light thats litearlly a shape and size.

just because the shape isn't good to YOU doesn't mean its bad.

[shy heart]

i have never used the shape. it is infamously bad.

[amber lodge]

and thats why so many pro's use it?

[shy heart]

it is inconsistent for a LOT of people

[amber lodge]

that logic is flawed

i respectfully disagree with you here.

[shy heart]

there are plenty of pros that hate it (tenz is a big one)
also pros also use like g915s and shit lmao, sponsorships exist

[amber lodge]

i used my superlight for 3 years i loved the shape lmao

[shy heart]

but the viper v3 pro is just a better mouse

[humble cargo]

if you like the superlight shape stick with it

[shy heart]

in every way

[amber lodge]

why would i suddenly say its bad because someone else does? \

[shy heart]

i'm not saying you should?

but the superlight shape is like very safe and designed to support a range of grips just ok rather than focusing on one

[amber lodge]

i would its dead tho and i would like to try a new brand outside logitech thats all.

[shy heart]

if you change your grip that much then sure

but for me like i know what grip i use i want a mouse that supports it well

[shy heart]

hence this

[humble cargo]

am no mouse expert but there's a couple brands that basically copypasta its shape from what I know

[amber lodge]

VGN dragonfly f1 that somenoe mentioned looks pretty good to me

in terms of shape and size

[shy heart]

dragonfly mice are good

also look at like mad r major

[amber lodge]

i mostly just want away from logitech or other "gaming" companys so to speak

recently logitech expierences show their quality is going out the window

[shy heart]

i mean mice are less like keyboards in that sense

the only companies that make mice that are good for gaming are "gaming" companies

[amber lodge]

my superlight was only 25 less than my wooting60he lol

[shy heart]

there are just better gaming companies

e.g. viper v3 pro is a great mouse

pulsar has some good shit

[scenic igloo]

Profit margins on gaming mice are probably insane

[quartz saddle]

Hey, when it comes to the l45 v2 switches, are they compatible with 8khz on the wooting 80he? are there any problems I should be aware of? or will my experience be issue-free

[quiet latch]

My wooting 80he arrived this week, I've had this bug a couple of times where a key will stay pressed, not physically but the keyboard just keeps typing that key, and no other keys work when this is happening and I need to unplug and replug the keyboard to fix it, is this a known issue?

[quartz saddle]

Is it possible to get the l45 switches on the wooting 80he by default? or does it only come with the l60's

[vapid storm]

no problems with the switches, why would there be? you can choose them if you take the module

[coarse galleon]

found a keyboard with the same key layout

thats a first for me

[zealous oak]

that looks like explosive-proof

[coarse galleon]

https://www.melgeek.com/products/melgeek-cyber01

[quartz saddle]

Because maybe if you press another key kind of hard, the other switches will recoil from it and mis-press on 0.1mm actuation

[vapid storm]

huh?

[zealous oak]

What's funny is that they also had a led bar but on the top left

[quartz saddle]

0.1mm actuation point, 45g switches. im a big osu player and key slammer, so I thought maybe I would have issues with other keys pressing themselves because of how hard I slam my keys

[shy heart]

i've seen another lemme try remember

kbdfans odin75

[buoyant solstice]

It is not possible. Only if you build it yourself via the module

[spring oar]

Huh, I should try to see if it happens to my 80he once it arrive. Could be interesting to see.

[oblique marsh]

nice thank you

[worldly pebble]

oo i acc like the screen on it

[arctic ice]

Tru dat

[jovial patio]

u gotta get the module ifu dont want the 60v2 and only the 45sv2 unless u are a founder

[tidal prawn]

it's not like it's hard to put together. It's just case + the board + switches and keycaps on top.

[coarse crest]

I'd try finding a few different mice and then comparing them to the superlight on this site https://www.eloshapes.com/

compares the dimensions of multiple mice at once

[arctic ice]

There is actually a lot of potato shapes out there its a oretty safe shape for every grip thats why gpx is so popular

But still feels off a little for most

[primal dew]

u need to choose module

then u can add l45 and stuff

[arctic ice]

Thats why most companies make safe shapes and symmetrical ones because then they dont have to cater for right and left handed separately and make asymmetrical (ergo) mouses which usually fit specific grips

Its all about the money and how to access it most efficiently

[scenic igloo]

totally forgot about this site - thanks!

[opaque portal]

Hey! Are there already some other cases from any 3rd partys for the 80HE ?

[coarse crest]

I discovered it watching Beaulo's stream and its been a gamechanger for trying to find accurate sizing

and allows you to quantify sizing that you never would be able to otherwise

[scenic igloo]

hardest thing to quantify is coating - not that I am particulary sensitive to it because the mouse I am using is straight plastic

[coarse crest]

If it comes with grip tape I just slap that on tbh

[scenic igloo]

true

[coarse crest]

it helped me get used to the viper v3's shape better coming from the DAV3

cries in large hands

[scenic igloo]

DAV3 is huge for me - tried it once and put it right back in the box

[coarse crest]

If the DAV3 glided as well as the viper then Id probably only use that, but trying it out opened my eyes

[scenic igloo]

no I take it back I just tried it again - I just dont like how much palm contact it has in the back

[coarse crest]

back end is a little pointy

its now become my WFH mouse

[ionic jewel]

sikakeyb hm80

[coarse crest]

I mostly just got the Viper to try something new, not knowing the the difference was that severe. It has better use in its current environment now

[azure garnet]

what is a burger mount on a keyboard?

[jade widget]

When you put o-rings on the screws that go into the keyboard like so

[azure garnet]

is it worth doing?

[normal bay]

this is actually missing the key on the right side of F12

[low token]

Better would be gummy oring mount in my opinion

[azure garnet]

Is that a o-ring under the keycap?

[white dock]

all this to be gold nova 1 in cs

[pliant goblet]

i have o-rings

how would that affect performance on anything

[fallen forge]

you would reduce switch total travel length, so instead of going down 4mm it would go 3mm and so on

so if you set your actuation point to 3.5mm you would not be able to reach it

[wet peak]

when will a 80he bag be made? i need to know if i have to carry it around/travel while waiting for a bag or just buy another 80% keyboard bag if i have to wait a lot

[paper cairn]

i finnaly got my 80he!

[spring oar]

Yey, enjoy your keyboard!

[paper cairn]

thank you!

i will definitely not sleep tonight

[hoary quiver]

just opened my 80he

holy it sounds amazing compared to my alloy origins

[paper cairn]

fr

it sonds so nice

[somber cloak]

Are you an osu player?

[hoary quiver]

nope

[somber cloak]

Oh ok

[hoary quiver]

never played it tbh

why you askin?

[somber cloak]

Usually the cheater keyboard before Wooting was alloy origins

[hoary quiver]

lol how

its mechanical keyboard

[somber cloak]

Rapid trigger

Wait you mean the alloy?

[hoary quiver]

alloy origin

[somber cloak]

Idk, wasn't in the community

Lifeline might like the 80HE

He played with it one time

[humble cargo]

had shorter actuation than your average mech switch iirc

[jade widget]

There's a travel case for the 80he already

https://wooting.io/product/wooting-travel-case-80he

[nocturne night]

and it comes for free with the zinc alloy

[jade widget]

(It looks a bit different from the pictures on the website)

For a better look at the travel case https://youtu.be/4kXXpVLda-U

[low token]

No

[azure garnet]

what did u mean then?

[low token]

It is called friction mount. You put oring between plate and pcb and you friction mount it without screwing

[worldly pebble]

my patience is being tested

https://tenor.com/view/man-praying-black-man-praying-black-man-praying-and-crying-man-praying-and-crying-gif-23376408540985609

January is so so far

[snow canyon]

you are Jan batch? oof

[humble cargo]

wut

your profile says eu-brug

[worldly pebble]

ye but they dont deliever to me so i sent it to my sibling

and they get here in january..

[humble cargo]

[worldly pebble]

ye being a gamer in Africa kinda sucks :v

[low token]

How expensive 80he was for u

[winter crane]

Would just pay for a shipping service ngl

January is faar

[worldly pebble]

i ordered to ireland so iirc

[tight swallow]

shipping by relative is way more reliable and tax free

[low token]

Ye but still how expensive it would be for african like you to buy one.

[worldly pebble]

in my currency?

[tight swallow]

I guess not really currency but compared to the average wage

and where in africa metters a lot for that

[worldly pebble]

oh anyone who sees how much i bought it for would call me dead insane X)

[snow canyon]

how much

[worldly pebble]

but i dont get paid in my local currency

well its like 4.5K cedis

so a lil over 250 euros i think?

[tight swallow]

about a monthly wage?

[worldly pebble]

on average thats a lot higher than the normal monthly wage