manga-theories

[grizzled bough]

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do we really think oda is killing off a straw hat again? with luffy it made sense, if chopper can revive usopp does that mean he also achieved his dream (if curing death is included in curing all diseases)

[prime orbit]

The Straw Hat represents the world. Red Line = band on the straw hat. The large straw hat shown by Imu is the other half. The One Piece is the two hats combining to create the true world. A large ring planet.

[noble junco]

Here is my theory on y ussop doesnt die at all. Ussop promised Kaya that he'd come back to tell her abt his brave edventures. so the fight against imu is gonna go like this. imu beats the living shit out of loki and the strawhats and ussop steps in gets his ass handed to him but almost dies like luffy getting g5 but gets a sudden powerup that sends imu back to marie jois then the strawhats go on another time skip

[carmine carbon]

or Ussop stays behind in Elbaph seperating from the straw hats once again

[patent burrow]

Usopp would be better off leaving the crew at Elbaph. At least he could have a good enough ending as a character.

[bright pollen]

good theory

[solid plank]

What i think is Ussop does not die but the arc pushes him to unlock observation haki and upgrades himself. Im guessing it would go down with death of brogy and dorry, and ussop sees this and realises that he was not brave enough to save them, and then pushes himself far enough and right on the face of danger and unlocks his potential of observation haki which he would use to guide everyone to safety.

[gleaming lance]

i remember seeing a comment where he unlocks a unique ability similar to shanks' observation killing where he can make his opponents see a "false" future which plays into his lying nature

[solid plank]

yea thats what I doubt oda would kill off ussop before he reaches his potential, maybe he reaches his potential almost dies, and chopper with the forest god fruit is able to revive ussop or something like that even maybe

i feel like multiple characters are gonna be powered up during this arc since theyll be fighting imu

[leaden talon]

Legend of Ne Zha. Chinese myth . ----> Imu.. ?

[raw scarab]

!theories

[lone hedge]

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[raw scarab]

manga and potentially serious could places for these kind of questions

[golden island]

I don't have a theory but my theory is all theories expecting Shanks in Elbaf are wrong. Shanks is not coming anywhere close to imu. He did say that he won't be able to ignore a command directly by imu when he close by imu.

[iron current]

If he still had the first contract and the mark that would be true yes

[west wave]

The seal is gone homie. Shanks was never granted regeneration. Highly doubt Imu could just return his arm with the seal. The entire retcon of the lord of the coast would be worthless

[opaque iris]

shanks didnt beat the allegations

[atomic grove]

Plus, if Legoland is a microcosm, and parallels the entire Elbaf plot, dont forget Nami assumed Usopp dead, after the LionCat attack

[glad raft]

Vivi ate the forbidden fruit (like Adam and Eve) , spread the poneglyph and cursed Imu. Imu's heart is maybe in Davy's Jone locker

[atomic grove]

Its one of the best written retcons of anything I've seen. While it takes the emotional sacrifice out of the event, Oda made it make sense.

[west elm]

honestly usopp needs more closecombat like actual ton hammers and better sniping projectiles. green beans dont seem creative anymore

[elfin torrent]

i like this one

[high briar]

Since people are talking a lot about which SH could die in the story for me one of the most obvious choice is Jinbei. He is the oldest SH after Brook and I seriously think there were consequences to his escape of WCI he didn’t tell to Luffy because he didn’t want to ruin his mood of the crew during the raid on Onigashima. I think Soul Pocus did work on Jinbei’s crew but he took all of their fear of Big Mom for himself and managed to survive the attack which only a few weeks to live remaining. I think he will at some point sacrifice himself for Luffy revealing him that in reality he will die anyway. In his last moments he could say to Luffy to remember the words he said after Ace’s death.

[storm mulch]

I think all the human-human fruits have mythical powers that make them all a god-like creture

[potent jolt]

A mysterious One Piece theory suggests that something during the Void Century was so dangerous that it couldn’t be defeated normally, so it was instead removed from memory itself, leaving behind only echoes like forbidden history, erased islands, and a strange silence around certain names; the fear shown by the World Government, the hidden ruler above the Empty Throne, and the way some powers seem to “remember” a past the world forgot all hint that the final truth of One Piece isn’t about who won a war, but about what the world was forced to forget.

[wet comet]

So if the god knights and gorosei have hearts like sommers then that could be the only way to strike them permanently

[elder edge]

I saw like 3 versions of this number

[devout zinc]

Hey Guys, how can harald only be dead 14 years ago. I feel as this might hint that time in elbaf moves differently and loki is estimated to be 21 years old in human years. It doesn’t make sense that harald was killed by loki when he was 7 years old.

[jagged leaf]

brah he died 14 That doesn't mean he died 14 "giant age years". Like they all use time the same, it's just that giants mature slower

[devout zinc]

if they use the same time why do giants have there own year time. + thats my point 14 years in human years loki would still be a child in human years. unless Imu has his own time flow.

[wild girder]

I think luffy will use an final attack on somebody awakening. He will bounce house them like Bellamy mimicking him

[last estuary]

Loki is currently 63 years old
14 years ago, he was 49 when he killed Harald.
He was around 16 in human years at that time.
Not 7

[devout zinc]

does not work that way giant years is different to humans 63/3 = 21 human years and imu not being a giant i would consider him having human years so 14 human years into giant years is 14x3= 42. then 63-42= 21 and 21/3= 7. thats why i think something is odd or that was still part of loki traumatic child hood.

[last estuary]

Did you even read??
Loki was 49 when he killed Harald.
He was around 16 in human years
49/3 = 16.3333...
You are doing mental gymnastics when the answer is rather simple.

[devout zinc]

ur not wrong, but my way of thinking is that giant's time flow differently to human's time flow. not because they are giants but because of elbaf. thats why its true that loki is 63 now but i think his mental state is that of a 21 year old.

[chilly otter]

do you guys think that Loki’s crew could’ve been the shadow giants that get shown in thriller bark? I know the silhouettes don’t match but the fact that Loki was attacking government vessels ‘from the fog’ would also explain why they didn’t attack Luffy’s ship. everything would line up except the timeline probably? I don’t remember when he got chained up in the underworld

[devout zinc]

why im thinking this way? well because york is now in the celestial dragons homeland. and she was recently in egg head how can she go that fast to a place so far away in a small amount of time.\

[devout zinc]

i think that the frozen giants are ancient giants that can help repair pluto or have the blueprint. and the ice is from ragnir, so makes sense that loki would go there.

[last estuary]

It doesn't. They follow humans notion of time. There is no time dilation in play whatsoever.

[devout zinc]

how are you so sure?

[last estuary]

Because if you read the manga, Imu returns back in action with nothing suggesting a chunk of time has passed by. There was a slight breathing room after imu was vanquished... and we literally come back to where he left off I.e. luffy, ragnir and Loki aren't even done eating.

[ancient raft]

I think luft Will lose the fight vs Imu and then being trained by cyaban to learn something

[gusty basin]

Atp idk what gaban can teach Luffy, whatever enemy gaban has fought, Luffy has fought the similar equivalent

[devout zinc]

i mean i looked at it as if imu was gone for an hour maybe but in the castle only a few minutes. idk maybe a minute in elbaf is 3 else where or something like that

[gusty basin]

If that were the case wouldn't gaban be a lot younger

[devout zinc]

i think a training arc might happen but not gaban. maybe loki since he can change into nidhogg and out without being tired like luffy.
so he might help luffy harness gear 5 even better and we see its true potential

[restive bluff]

I’ve cracked the code on Imu’s backstory.

The Lunarians descended from the red line to meet with the kingdoms

Imu as a child went outside and kids were bullying him cus of his skin and jealous cause he was of a “superior” race

Then Lily basically became his only friend when everyone else was super racist basically saying “we’re equal” and fighting for rights of the oppressed like D clan members do today

Then randomly (idk when this would’ve happened) Lily was sad cause of all the slavery happening at the time, a dude who look just like Luffy and Roger comes up to her similar to how Luffy met Koby and asks her why she’s crying

Joyboy probably made the same faces Luffy does in gear 5 making Lily laugh and said “I’LL LIBERATE THE WORLD!” or sumn like that as a big promise

Lily ended up telling Imu she was in love with him and that boy was mad as fuck, like the Lunarian he was he returned to the moon while Joyboy was liberating slaves and the world

The kingdoms of the world and their rulers came to Imu like “this dude with a strawhat is ruining everything” Imu was like “oh yeah and he stole my girl too so I’m gonna fight him”

Imu started a war and with the help of the kingdoms KILLED JOYBOY, and brought the kings to the redline, thinking it would make Lily happy but she was mad as fuck

She hated the fact the kings still kept slaves, she walked away from Imu carrying Joyboy’s will refusing to live in MARIJOA

She takes Joyboy’s strawhat wears it spread the ponegliffs around the world to carry the hidden truth but Imu wanted Ts erased so Lily disappeared and or died (we don’t know) and with this Imu takes the strawhat and keeps it in Marijoa just like we saw in his VERY FIRST APPEARANCE

But Lily’s Will did not die nor disappear creating the voice of all things which those who followed Joyboy and Lily echoed throughout time etc until one tribe could hear them, a tribe with a third eye, they could hear the voices and even understand the ponegliffs

Imu silenced the tribe wiping most of them out and took their power for themselves which is why he has his hair covering his forehead and third eye…and why Pudding was captured by blackbeard (she has a third eye)

I am him.

[frail oxide]

The issue is that you're only looking at IMU's background as if it started near the void century. But there was another time before that. And the world was sort of cleansed by fire as the Elbaf mural depicted. I think either IMU was from that time or it would be some sort of incarnation a la some ninja manga if you know what I mean.

But the slave thing makes sense. That's why the current one piece world is a "better" place today. Ppl are living in a "soft slavery system". Tbh just like irl

[plain barn]

On the episode with the fallen angel in the episode where Vegapunk said flew too close to the sun, was that Imu ? Or was that a metaphor for Vegapunk and Icarus ? What yall think ?

If that was Imu who fell from the sky, then wouldn’t he be like a fallen angel ?

[gleaming lance]

a lot of people seem to think enel is gonna return and while i do think it had a good change idk how he'd fit into the story so late in and with so many things happening. what do we thing about this

[vestal gulch]

If oda wants the lost moon civilization to be relevant at any point in the future, then yes it's kind of inevitable that enel will be a part of the story in some capacity going forward. I don't think he'll abandon that cover page storyline, but I can definitely envision a version where he does

[plucky cypress]

It's not really lost, the robots are still operating on the moon, Enel is basically a walking, talking battery source for them, his probably became the king.

[glad osprey]

Alright I love u but at the same time there's no way half that sh is correct even tho I sorta agree

[glad osprey]

Bro a love story is too simple for one piece. Oda sensei wouldn't do that tbh. One piece is far superior

[cerulean vale]

With the ope ope fruit being reference so much through the story to give immortality I don't think it's an incarnation. We also don't know the limitations of that ope ope ultimate power. It could easily be within the eternal "room" In the castle. Pretty sure Imus gonna get a sad backstory and someone dear saving him from death making him like he is now. Trying to never go through that pain again and retaining "world balance" behind the shadows. For all we know he despises everyone not related to the revolution that took down the ancient civilization and his servants (he made it clear that he was there because someone killed one of his servants)

[empty blade]

Eris and Teach survived and escaped to Lulusia, where they lived happy lives. Teach is currently Dr Blackbeard, he never became a pirate, but someone else really liked Rocks so he stole the identity of his son, who is Dr Blackbeard. The Blackbeard we know today isn't Xebec's son at all, just an impostor

[torn plover]

How can he even live there? There is no oxygen. Is it because he is logia? Did we ever get any hints to that?

[austere rapids]

had this idea assuming imu successfully freed gunko/shuri from the ice. she seemed to have broken out of the spell or whatever and was trying to save brook, but was suppressed by imu possessing her. now that he's not, she could be "good", maybe she will pretend to still be evil, gain the "omen", and then use that power to betray imu and help elbaf, get forgiven by brook, maybe die in the process idk

[brittle beacon]

I mean cant imu just take the omen away as soon as he gives it?

[austere rapids]

thats why i said she would probably die, will only get one action in and then imu might do what he did to saturn or something

[heavy cloak]

Seeing imu giving an omen to sommers, makes me think luffy might learn/do something similar too

[brittle beacon]

Not one for crackpot theories such as this one, but here goes:
Loki will join the straw hats, without them changing the ship or whatever. If it is true Chopper is curing those reversi'd people, this means his fruit has an affect on other people. He could potentially also use it to change character's sizes, so he'll change Loki to be normal sized so he joins the bumhats easily.
Tho this will probably have some side effect, or limit, as in if chopper transforms someone, especially someone as big as Loki, this will take a massive toll on Chopper's body and he won't be able to change Loki's size again for a while.
This could also be used as a way to nerf Loki's DF, as to not just fly around wreck all strawhat enemies on sight.

To solidify this, in my head, is the fact Oda has shown us the dragon scales with the user's size. I see no point in him doing that unless its actually important for the plot later.

[fierce shale]

The eye of Horus and Eye of Ra theory: the eye engraved on Imu’s right hand gives the vibe of the eye of Horus from Egyptian Mythology. The eye of Horus is often associated with the moon and it’s frequently depicted alongside the eye of Ra which represents the sun. In many depictions, the eye of Horus is on the left side…interestingly Imu’s eye on his hand also seems to connect to his left eye.

[gloomy cedar]

This is fire, I hope you keep cooking with this one

[barren halo]

I'd like to add something: When we first saw Imu, I remember he landed on top of a pyramid-like structure, which I think is related to Egypt.

[glad osprey]

It was the roof of one of the castles 🤦 😂

[barren halo]

I already said they looked alike. sorry...

[gloomy cedar]

Triangle roof, which is indeed Pyramid like

[glad osprey]

My apologies i just wanted to have a say

[vestal ether]

his fit has an egyptian touch to it too, especially the pants

[timid geode]

Crocodile is called mr zero cuz he survived a slave hunting competition like the God valley one

[gloomy cedar]

I don’t understand why would this give him the number 0 ??

[muted phoenix]

so....is anyone talking about Maki

[gloomy cedar]

Maki could be the Yang to the yin of Haki (the manifestation of one’s will) which I think would be the manifestation of the unconscious mind which could be why Imu is acting so emotionless when chopping up giants and fighting our 2 wings

[muted phoenix]

Unlike Haki that is about defense everything about Haki revolves around defense think about it

[timid geode]

As in like zero ppl survived like an assumption by celestial dragons that they killed all slaves and crocodile survived so he purposely named himself mr 0

[muted phoenix]

Haki is always self defense
Armament coating
Observation
And CoC is all about defense

Meanwhile Maki is the state of offense and projection. You are looking outward either projecting for example Mihawk is able to show people their futures instead of seeing his own future.

[timid geode]

I got the thing from the fact that ivankov was also in CD hunting games so there’s a chance

[gloomy cedar]

Oh I understand now that’s a dope name to give himself if that is true !

[muted phoenix]

@obtuse vine

[gloomy cedar]

I’m hearing that Maki is offense, but I don’t see how that relates to Mohawk seeing people’s future ? Observation Haki let’s you see the future people are going to do already

[muted phoenix]

But no one has ever projected a future onto others like Mihawk basically projecting killer instinct onto Luffy in Marineforde. Notice he has the same eyes as Imu because I truly believe he is the only other Maki user in the verse.

[gloomy cedar]

Ohhhh, I need to go rewatch that section is there signs that he gives him killer instinct ? I’m 100% on board with him having Maki and connections to Imu with the eyes and being top of the strength charts

[steep barn]

Theory of mine Imu brought the ancient weapon that destroyed lulucia, that why the circle was huge and in the sky, pieces of his soul in gods knights he's there to buff them so they can finish what they were sent there to do emo is going to fight Nika and nidhogg until he collapses from exhaustion and dies

Not emo lol

Second theory, ussop has been using observation haki since enies lobby as soja king and that has been the whole story

[foggy portal]

hasnt the sleep demon version of cavendish the same kind of eyes? so with that logic he would also have maki right? and idk how i feel about that if he has

[gloomy cedar]

Theres a couple characters that have similar eyes, Cavendish is one, Monet is similar as well, but Maki is exclusively a Devil power it seems which would mean maybe cavendish's demon could also use it but probably doesn't have it or someone would have noticed in dressrosa when they were all bunking together. Mihawk is possibly top 3 in strength still with the ringed eyes and he wears anti devil attire. If anyone knows Maki in the lower realm he makes the most sense

And he has a mystery backstory, and travels alone, lots of things add up to him being a former HK or something then turning pirate

[hallow bear]

heres a theory of mine i "created" (quotations because im probably not the first person to reach this thought) last night when trying to sleep

the earth god is monkey d. dragon

so imu the forest/sea god has domi reversi and the covenants that he gives his subjects giving them demonic or yokai forms

luffy the sun god has the toon force that allows those around him to possess the tom and jerry type stuff of the eyes popping out, the weird movements and elasticy stuff, likely also the ability to lead others to possess a nika like form

so based on these the last 2 gods would need to have some sort of symbol about them that those in their group will inherit for following said god, out of our main candidates for the other gods currently, dragons tattoos stood out to me.

perhaps when his fruits activated properly those who follow his cause of revolution will gain that marking on his face and maybe other parts of their bodys, seen as im pretty sure we havent seen dragon in a tshirt or shirtless

[gloomy cedar]

May I ask why Dragon is the Earth God in this theory and not Rain God? his powers seem to do with rain but I agree if Imu is also one of the Gods that they can all probably influence people around them and lend them powers

[hallow bear]

well think of it this way, is luffys powers themselves related to the sun? no its rubber, the sun motif is more metaphorical, by being a liberator hes being the light, the beacon of hope for those he helps

dragon is a revolutionary, protecting the EARTH from the darkness and corruption effecting it

[gloomy cedar]

I agree it is metaphorical, and I like your justification currently I think Imu might not be 1 of the 4 Gods but if he is indeed the Forest God why do you think that is?

[hallow bear]

not bad for 3am brain right?

well imus still very much a mystery besides the whole being evil and shit, we know hes into his flowers and plants, idk when we get a void century flashback im sure well get a better explaination

[gloomy cedar]

very good for 3 am brain, I like your theory

Imu Forest - Trees have long lives which could connect to Imu wanting immortality for himself or maybe everyone, Forests also support all of the life on the planet maybe his connection to being forest God is wanting to be that system/ruler who oversees all of the life underneath him

[hallow bear]

also whatever gods left is gonna be pandaman

yes hes a gag background character but hey, if oda can find a good way to make buggy a yonko hell do this for pandaman

[fervent tree]

So, i wanted to drop a theory on you guys on the man makred by flames, I actually believe it could be non other than the legendary Vander Decken, captain of the flying dutchman from hundreds of years ago:

With the most recent chapter of one piece, we are introduced to imu having flames/omen abilities. Which made me think, what if the man marked by flames is marked by imu's flames?

This is where it all comes together:

We know that Vander Decken was in search for poseidon, which means he had possible knowledge of joyboy/the truth.
Apparently he suddenly went crazy and killed his crew, and then he cursed at the gods. With the introduction of domi reversi, it would make a lot of sense if he started to become a major threat to imu/the WG due to his knowledge of poseidon, or joyboy's will and then imu domi reversi'd him and forced him to kill his own crew, leaving him to curse imu/the celestial dragons.

Now for the burn scar, we are told that Vander Decken incurred the wrath of god and was forced to roam the seas for eternity. This makes perfect sense for him to have been marked by imu's flames (the wrath of god), leaving him with a burn scar. This would also explain why he didn't actually die. Instead, he was forced to roam the seas for eternity as a curse (almost identical to zunesha). And the WG/Imu now possibly turned him into one of their own soldiers.

Now, we know that the poneglyph on fishman island disappeared around the time that roger found the one piece and was executed while starting the great age of pirates.

It would make perfect sense for the WG/imu to want to hide a poneglyph during this time, to ensure that nobody else could do what roger did.

Who else better to call for the job than Vander Decken? A man they forced to roam the seas for eternity, now they would give him a mission to steal the poneglyph. It would also make even more sense since he was initially after poseidon himself and obviously had reached fishamn island before, where it was stated he died there. He knows fishamn island, possibly knows the truths, the poneglyphs. It all makes sense in my head

And with the abyss marks/covenants introduced recently as well, the whole idea of the deal with the devil. Vander Decken could've been forced to make a deal with imu and have a covenant/abyss mark. This would explain why he would be able to roam the seas for eternity, it would make sense why he wouldnt be able to reject imu's orders and essentially be their soldier for eternity, a punishment for him trying to follow in joyboy's path or getting too close to the truth.

[swift cosmos]

Reminder that Imu can only support 13 deep and abyssal covenent pacts

[fervent tree]

Ah yeah i'd forgotten about that, he could be a hidden contractor or he was simply cursed in general to roam the seas for eternity in some way, with imu's powers or the WG i'm sure there's a method.

[swift cosmos]

Well at least we will find out by the end of the year.

[unique spruce]

Aight yall I am back with an even wilder theory:

but to start I think I was correct about elder being granted their powers by imu and can’t turn without imus blessing “omen” so I go back to what I said 13 days ago, Mary Geoise will get raided and the elder might get got with out imus blessing.

Aside from that, I am sure most of yall have watched the newest episode. Watching the newest episode, had me thinking why was this one unnecessary bit of comedic relief added and then that’s when it clicked. I think it is a reflection on the fight with imu (literal mirrors everywhere), where the cat goad would be Loki a giant cat that transforms to a bigger lion (Luffy befriends, says he doesn’t want to eat, and eventually rides him), porcupine who’s literally referred to as needle god who might literally be sommers, I think luffy cracking the mirror might mean something significant to the actual fight. And the temple of the “sun god” who is actually rodo wearing a costume that looks menacing has 5 animas 3 mice, 1 crow and 1 snake which feels very on the head with the elders and imu. Rodos outfit almost seems fitting with that of imus, staff, horns, and a cape.
I don’t know but I think there’s something there to be analyzed

@half python where you at? Lol

[brittle beacon]

im right here

[unique spruce]

What you think of that?

[tender rock]

In the final battle Biblo made joyboy giant and Ragnir froze him for a reason, that explain the giant frozen hat. What do you think?

[dusky acorn]

(PART 1): #western-series message

(PART 2)
Eustass Kid's real name is Davy D. Kid, and the truest inheritor of Davy D. Jones will.

To start, Eustass Kid and Davy D. Jones share several similarities.

And there’s a huge one that’s been neglected, which can successfully kickstart it all.

And the only leap of assumption to make is this:
One Piece’s one & only eyepatch pirate is meant to be Davy Jones.

After all, the pirate character has yet to appear with an eyepatch after all these years, and it's supposed to be a character Oda has been itching to draw for decades now.

Davy Jones was mentioned all the way back around chapter 300. The number of culprits have been dwindled simply by the process of elimination, hence this assumption.

In that case, have another look at Kid’s main Punk forms.

Don’t these forms actually look like they’re wearing a jiki-jiki-version of an eyepatch, always covering their eye?

This here. This is the primary evidence to prove Kid would have a connection to One Piece’s Davy Jones.

No matter what panel or angle you ever look at Kid's forms that hold this ringed-accessory on their faces, you can NEVER see their other eye whatsoever. It's not supposed to be Kid's goggles. Or even a crown. Crowns aren't worn from the middle down to the eye.
Hence, this serves as a makeshift eyepatch with Kid's own metallic punk spin on it.

This inspiration in design within Kid's forms to look more like Davy D. Jones would mean that just like Rocks, Kid could be an admirer of Davy Jones.

And given that Kid was born in the correct generation very close to Luffy's actual age, that will actually topple the old and brittle World Government, perhaps it could go further than just admiration.

The truest inheritor of Davy D. Jones’ will?

Imu for some reason, mistook Rocks for Jones. But what if Rocks actually physically resemble Jones somehow?

Thanks to Roger, we know Rocks’ main physical trait is his porcupine hair.

Thanks to Luffy, we also know Kid’s jaggy hair is his main trait too.

Is prickly hair a commodity among Davy? Does Davy D. Jones have spiked hair just like these two characters?

Just as Rocks said about Davy members being part of the underworld, Kid was the one Supernova shown with underworld connections too.

In general, Kid’s been making ends meet in a criminal life since the start as a gang leader before going pirate, just like a supposed Davy would.

Davy D. Teech covered his surname with Marshall, a well-known amp used by guitarists.

Davy D. Xebec hid his name with Rocks, basically the rock genre itself.

Eustass Kid is presumably an avid fan of well, rock music.

Could rock also be the common denominator among Davy clan?

If Kid is actually a Davy, then his ancestry CAN actually stem from God Valley.

Kuma can only send people to islands he has travelled to.

Given how vastly limited slave child Kuma’s travel experience was, could he have sent Kid’s Davy heritage to the South Blue from God Valley?

If Kid inherited Davy D. Jones’ will, just as Luffy is carrying Joyboy’s, then it would make Eustass-Demalo Black’s statement of comparing himself to Joyboy so fitting.

Rocks even compared the two later. Demalo Black could have been Oda’s cheeky way of doing the same even earlier.

Davy D. Jones in One Piece loves to collect treasure, and whatever it may be he fancies as part of his collection.

Very much like Kid’s passion of collecting a whole variety such as weapons, gold, heads as trophies, and even the fruit that attracts various objects.

Another thing Kid and Davy Jones have in common is that they’re both under the sea.

In the last arc of Egghead, it was a remnant of Joyboy with his haki knot that stopped the Gorosei.

Following that, could it be that this time some remnant of Davy Jones does it in this one?

After all, Imu knows exactly what he's dealing with on Elbaph. He knows Nika, he knows Nidhoggr. I propose that it would only make most sense for Imu to have the tides turned on him due to an external force he didn't account for. Especially to keep up his image as the final villain.

Akin to Joyboy’s footsteps of last arc, could Davy Jones allow Kid to escape his locker and resurface as a remnant of Davy Jones, to stop Imu?

Davy Jones could allow for such a special case to occur, due to feeling the immense haki of his mortal enemy right above them on Elbaph.

Thus, similar to Emet and Joyboy within the previous arc, I believe Eustass Kid as a true inheritor of Davy Jones’ will and a potential Davy clan member himself, will resurface along with some power / aid of Davy Jones, in order to ultimately turn the tides against Imu.

On the contrary, despite all the supposed evidence, I believe that Blackbeard isn't the truest inheritor of Davy D. Jones just as much as Ace wasn't truly Joyboy or Pirate King. Not even Shanks is. I believe Blackbeard is a red herring of fulfilling Davy D. Jones' will, akin to Momonosuke and Kaido were for being Joyboy.

The moment we saw how amiable Rocks acted around the past generation of Joyboy's straw hatted will in Roger, and how they could see eye to eye, unlike Blackbeard, who Luffy's despises as a mortal enemy, is the exact moment to realize that Blackbeard may be misinterpreting Davy D. Jones' will to the point that his own self-gain has become more important.

After all, both Davy D. Jones and Joyboy are supposed to be enemies of Imu first and foremost. It would make no sense for Blackbeard to want to screw Luffy to the degree he has and wanted to. If you're truly Davy D. Jones, it's akin to shooting oneself in the foot, because the true main enemy both of you have yet to deal with is Imu.

The fact that Blackbeard and Luffy can't even reconcile to think "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" unlike Eustass Kid can and has done against Kaido, just like Rocks and Roger did towards Imu is also why I believe the much younger Eustass Kid will shine through as the predominant inheritor, even if his bloodline could even lack what Blackbeard has. Despite making a good case for Kid to be Davy blood, he doesn't need it just as much as Luffy didn't need to be Roger's son or Joyboy's ancestor.

@cobalt igloo @desert quest @simple bolt @slate burrow @craggy pumice @weak arrow @final bloom

@solid parcel @gilded yoke

[slate burrow]

@dusky acorn really good as usual. I love how you pulled from POTC and you pulled together a bunch of stuff I hadn’t noticed or known too. The eyepatch and Marshall amp stuff>>>

Im with you on at least one of Kid’s parents being a Davy who was sent away by Kuma on Me Valley. I’d also add that Kid and Blackbeard both have “ghost of Jonah” written in their post-TS bounties

[dusky acorn]

Ah yeah, that’s another key point linking both Kid and Blackbeard towards Davy Jones.

Kid and Blackbeard are the only two characters that ever had bounties that could be read that way. “4760” was inside of Blackbeard’s, and “470” for Kid, which he carried all the way from Punk Hazard until the end of Wano

The only other character that could even be remotely considered is Sasaki and his 472M berries, but the 2 clearly throws a wrench in that by default

6 actually isn’t typically supposed to be “No”, but Oda got super creative with this one. When you rotate “6” 90° it becomes the hiragana character for “の” AKA “of”

Hence, Yo,Na,No,Rei = ヨナの霊 , signifying the ghost of Yona / Davy Jones

So Kid is basically just missing the “of” here, which can make sense if Oda didn’t think to get THAT creative with bounties back when Kid was reintroduced in Punk Hazard lol

Interestingly, Law’s bounty of Punk Hazard can also be linked to his persona. 440M berries can be read as shi-shi AKA “death-death”

[slate burrow]

That’s why I don’t ignore the goroawase Oda uses. He encourages fans to do it too, so it’s definitely intentional for us to look into

@dusky acorn A pub owner who kidnaps sailors. I wonder if Kid being at Ida's bar ties into that

[proud escarp]

Zoro is going to get Domi Reversi like Rocks and detach himself from the strawhats but not without a fight. The strawhats can't bring themselves to end him which results in Zoro leaving with Imu. Over time this will give Zoro a buff in that Imu may train him as well as the buff DR users get and possibly even offer him a new sword.
Luffy and friends will continue their journey and find Eris or Rocks. One of the two will enlighten them to two key points of info: 1. black beards history and goals, and 2. how to save/kill Zoro as Rodger and Garp possibly saved Rocks.

[dusky acorn]

Not to mention that the real-life illustrations of Davy Jones look like this demonic entity, which was shared as a tattoo by an actual bar owner in One Piece at Jaya. If this Davy stuff surrounding Kid is true, then it gives credence to Kid possibly ending up at the bar of Elbaph around his introduction of this arc too

One last thing worth noting is this. I looked back on ancient forums of the original release of chapter 498, and people’s first impressions of Eustass Kid were even that he had a demonic-looking appearance to him. Even akin to Moria. People were actually speculating if he was from some sort of demonoid-human race or something, lol

Obviously untrue to what we know now, but I think that kind of first impression Kid gives off to readers can support a Davy D. Jones relation theory such as this

[slate burrow]

Kid’s pre-skip appearance does seem like an imp. Also! Some of his crewmates like Heat and Wire aesthetically remind me of Hell imagery @dusky acorn

[granite surge]

Im glad you mention that because i think kidds mom potentially could be a davy that was killed by shamrock on a mission. Which would flare up the hate for shanks. Bro went after shanks 3x with little no explanation and now with the reveal of shanks twin brother, i think we’ll get it

[dull niche]

hmm

[vapid wyvern]

So I've seen read quite a few people have it in their heads that Usopp is going to die in Elbaf, but I've got another theory of what may be to come. What if Usopp is the Man with the eyepatch? What if Usopp, showing a courage he's always had but does not always display, steps up to protect his crew against the newly arrived threat, and takes so much damage that he himself is left blinded in one eye, and too critically injured to continue traveling (Potentially also receiving severe burns, losing a limb, etc). He'd fight and protest and try to sneak on the ship, but the others would have to speak up and tell him to stay in Elbaf to heal. The Final decision would fall on Captain Luffy to make a very painful, but adult decision, telling the now one eyed Usopp: "I've never met a more Brave warrior of the sea." signifying that Usopp has accomplished his goal. He'd likely show up in the final battle, aided by Vegapunk (Lilith?) in his recovery.

Okay, that's my pipe-dream theory, feel free to rip it to shreds lol.

[atomic grove]

The thing is Oda loves repetition. He repeats the same plot over and over again. He does it right to. He does it in a way that doesnt burn readers out, and keeps them engaged.

There hasnt been a true loss since Sabaody and Marineford. The question isn't "will Usopp die", the question is does Luffy, does the crew need another Sabaody/Marineford level event, to move to the "next level"?

We have already seen Imu flawlessly sweep the field. His confrontation with Loki, and presumably Luffy, will determine what will happen.

For Usopp to die, he will have to also have to get back in the fight, however at the moment, Brook, Sanji, Zoro, AND Usopp are out of commission.

I think he became the Brave Warrior of the Sea when he stood up to Imunko, and that was his time to shine. I dont see him, or any of the other SH going back up against Imu, now that he is now facing Loki and Luffy

[sour onyx]

Random thought as I’ve been considering the similarities between last chapter and Sabaody, Kuma is presumably with the straw hats right now. Good chance Loki is gonna die imo. What if Luffy starts losing to Imu and kuma boops the strawhats again.

[atomic grove]

Only issue with that is the Sunny crew (the SH that didn't get kidnapped by Rode) have only been on Elbaf, mere hours, at this point.
Yes, the ancient lab was found, yes they have Lilith with them, but thats not nearly enough time, IMHO, to bring Kuma back to working order

[sour onyx]

Man normal rules of “working order” don’t seem to affect Kuma lol. We thought this man was over with several times. He needs to see Luffy be joyboy.

Maybe a final sacrifice for Kuma, give Bonney the chance to see him fight for Nika.

[willow heart]

Im betting when Bonney is about to die in the final saga, he will show up and come in clutch. Not even the power of the Elders can break their bond.

[lunar shell]

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-pie-blackbeard-gif-14039911967990905516

BB’s goal is to beat Imu m’s ass to be King of the world !!
Luffy’s goal will be to beat Imu’s ass to Free the world !!

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-opening-egghead-shirahoshi-poseidon-gif-13130854832227173931

[gloomy cedar]

Yessirski

[waxen obsidian]

shirahoshi goal is to beat imus ass to flood the world

[gloomy cedar]

And Imu's goal is to beat all of their asses to hookup with his long lost ex Lily

[runic mist]

Some people say luffys gonna vanquish imu or smth like that, but maybe the 3 aincient weapons: Posidon, Pluton, and Uranus, could be the real key to defeating imu, cuz posidon (shirahoshi) can control the sea kings, but most likely imu would just 1 tap them but of they get close enough they could... do a very little damage... them pluton is a battleship, which can destroy islands in a single strike, and if its long rangs it might do some damage, but franky burned it, so unlikely we might see it, but then Uranus, we don't know how powerful it is, or what it does, and it might be the key... (plz don't make fun of my theory)

[gloomy cedar]

I agree, I think the ancient weapons will be what we need to win against Imu but I do think we will see Franky build the 3rd ancient weapon

[placid ridge]

I think the one piece is a devil fruit seed that will enable luffy to travel space as a space pirate. His dream is to be a space pirate. Which is why everyone laughed , it sounds too impossible

[runic mist]

True, maybe franky would make a buffed version of pluton

[runic mist]

U know how franky use to build battle ships, hes prob gonna combine all of them into a super battle ship, not tale apart them, like build new ones and inproved ones, then combine them all, and i actually think maybe... when franky had the pluton blueprints, he knew the world government would come ofter him (ciper poll) , so he made a copy of the blueprint, and he gave them the real one... but the world goverment didnt realise he had a copy, and he might use that copy along with his battle ships to create the super battle ship, and this is idea im about to share is just a random thought: He might use mecha franky to.

[runic mist]

The onepiece could be the birthplace of devil fruits cuz... idk

[pseudo pulsar]

Just multiple theories into one:

So basically, Imu was cast out of the heavans similar to how satan was thrown out of heaven. Him being the "Fallen angel". Created the mother flame using his lunarian background, gained control of the redline with help of Joyboy, then betrayed Joyboy (potentially killing him), ruling as new king of the redline. The 20 rulers along with the ancient kingdom knew of his betrayal, so decided to build weapons in order to destroy the redline, which would expand all the seas (the all blue) and eliminate the celes dragons. The will of D are maybe members who oppose Domi-reversal (cant be controlled), somehow tied to the ancient kingdom. Those people pose a huge threat to Imus existance and control. Imu formed the world government to "protect" his empire and maintain control. He obtained one of the ancient weapons, which he now uses to wipe out countries/islands that figure it out, but maybe it takes a big toll on his health or resources. His plan is probably to use the mother flame, and flood the earth, wiping out everyone that is not housed on the redline, securing his reign without contest. The one piece, is probably the final piece needed to destroy the redline and finish what history started.

[brittle beacon]

idk about allat but "will of D are members who oppose domi reversi" cant be true because Rocks was domi reversi'd

[pseudo pulsar]

oh damn your right.. RIP

[brittle beacon]

ngl my theory on the will of D is just something like how luffy used the X to signify the strawhats friendship with vivi

the D is just a bunch of people who grouped up for some kinda purpose, and upon realizing they will be defeated they all agreed to house a D in their name so their off-spring and future generations will always recognize one another. But because of imu and them, that kinda fell apart only the name remained, but the will carries on.

[lunar shell]

But isnt it canon that devil are just born from people dream ? Like a bunch of people dream of ice cream and some banana around the world becomes ice cream devil fruit.

[keen basin]

It feels like since gear 5 Luffy says much less that he'll be king of the pirates. Almost not at all. Almost if like the awakening of the fruit has changed him. Is it just my feeling or he is less of the usual idiot/selfish that only thinks about being king of the pirates and the freest person in the world?

A second theory, this is just small and a feeling, is that Figarland Garling's final opponent will be Garp.

[willow heart]

Theory: the ancient civilization was not nearly as bad as the WG but still inherently corrupt. Imu sought to usurp the current ruler (Davy Jones) and was exiled before returning with the 20 kings to form the WG and destroy the ancient civilization. As a result Davy Jones’s son (Joyboy) rallied a crew of pirates to crusade against the WG which ended with their defeat due to Zunesha’s betrayal. Lily betrayed Imu by assisting the Kozuki’s in spreading their poneglyphs around the world before being lost at sea.

[unique spruce]

Do we have theories on the trees from one piece? Whether zous whale tree, Ohara, Adam or Eve or even the tree on the ship? Do we have any theories

[wicked lava]

They were structures from joyboys kingdom, and when joyboy collapsed, those trees and structures were to be memories of joyboy

[unique spruce]

What if it was a result by old forest god fruit users? And if chopper has that fruit it would kind of explain why he was looking for it in drum island

[soft urchin]

this scene reminded me a lot of Twin Peaks the Return. Evil entity stabbing at a female enemy

[rain vale]

This is really good but I do remember someone stating that oda was both laughing and crying when explaining the end of one piece to his editor, this theory just kinda shows a simple villain/hero outcome but what if it’s bigger then that ykwim

[noble junco]

not really a theory but Ive been readin gthe one piece manga recently (finished dressrosa) and can someone tell me what this part says directly from japanese to english becus it say when the strawhat fleet were celebrating after deafeating doflamingo the narrator says, " AFTER THIS MOMENT, THEY WILL EACH GROW IN POWER, UNTIL THEY EVENTUALLY CAUSE. A GREAT INCIDENT OF HISTORIC PROPORTIONS
BUT FOR THE MOMENT. THAT IS A STORY NO ONE YET KNOWS ABOUT." Which directly confirms that the fleet will have a MASSIVE (low taper fade) role to play in the end of one piece and ohara nor Grandline review hasnt said shit abt this

[plain tapir]

I think Black Leg VinSmoke has covered it (his theories have been amazing and the breakdown has a lot of thought)

[noble junco]

oh i didnt know abt him before

[floral snow]

Jus now realized that big sword sticking in the side of Elbaf. anyone have any guess as to who’s it was

[brittle beacon]

Probably the god of war giant

[atomic grove]

Are you asking us to spoil you? Cuz there are a few potential answers to that.

[dapper panther]

The real question is who made it

[noble junco]

im just asking what is says directly from japanese to english because sometimes the translations are wrong

[plucky cypress]

I assume the life support is still active, imagine in a distant future we colonise the moon, and then society collapses, those who survive would probably make our colonisation of the moon a myth, OP is really a dystopian future, were humanity played god and bricked the earth.

[rough storm]

i have a theory that ussop will lose one eye here on elbaf and him having just 1 eye left will unlock his super advance observation haki where he could see the future probably longer than shanks. and instead of relying on his eye he doesnt even have to look to shoot anymore. and maybe he will be the guy who oda said to wear an eyepatch.

[west shoal]

My theory is the Imu which we are seeing right now is not how Imu looks like, it’s just a form created with Omen to increase durability during battle (Seraphim are inspired by same concept)

[rough storm]

well thats kinda obvious. you have to transsform to get that flame cloud behind ur back or something. i mean we clearly saw him transsform inside the castle

[unique spruce]

A strawhat is dying in elbaf my bet is Usopp.

[rough storm]

nah. usopp is the narrator of one piece.

[unique spruce]

100% isn’t. That’s deuce, aces friend. Ace asks him to follow Luffy and write his story. Which is actually cannon

[ruby solar]

What is the basis for this theory other than wanting Usopp to be someone of consequence?

[rough storm]

because usopp is our sniper and sniper rely on their eyes. so what happen if they lose the thing they rely the most to be able to help their crew. i mean losing 1 eye would probably make him panic but if he is in the situation where he needs to do something only a sniper can do then he needs to unlock an advance observation haki where he can see the future. so instead of relying on his eyesight he'll rely on his future sight instead. usopp needs an upgrade like this like for real. everyone else already got one except for him. nami with zeus, franky with vegapunk technology, chopper with his fruit being a god fruit, robin awakening, brook being able to tap on the spirit realm, etc. usopp is the only one who hasnt got an upgrade yet. and i think future sight is whats perfect for him.

[ruby solar]

Not everyone on his crew needs to be destined to have some OP power.

Statistically improbable

[rough storm]

thats true. but if everyone got an upgrade except for usopp thts kinda ass for oda. we already saw a hintt of ussop getting that upgrade. the film red where hhe tap the dimension observation haki, and dresrossa where he unlock his observation haki first

also getting advance observation haki for usopp wont be an asspull because like i said we already saw him unlock basic observation haki back in dressrosa. and i think him losing 1 eye would really make him needing to unlock advance observation haki

[runic mist]

True

[runic mist]

But couldn't people have just summoned the devil fruits then...

[runic mist]

Nvm dont listen to that

[unique spruce]

I think Usopp met his fate, he became a well known warrior of the sea. Known as god Usopp, sogeking, and many other names. His end is elbaf where he wanted to be remembered as a great warrior of the sea. He’s luffys best friend and will be the tipping point of the show altering to its end. It’ll be gut wrenching and hard to get over. But that’s a good story for you.

Even with the new opening the way they highlight Usopp, an him stopping when every one else is running says he might be doing something out of the ordinary.

On the same note; I really think Lego land breaks down a lot of what will happen. I think rodo is a foreshadowing to imu horns, staff, cape and a menacing evil look. His favorite pets are a crow, a snake and 3 mice. Literally the elders lol.

[rough storm]

i dont think hell die here. i mean whats the point of yassop existing? also whos gonna fight van augur, chopper?

[unique spruce]

Don’t think Blackbeard is luffys nemesis tbh, I really don’t think he’s all that evil the way we think he is. I think he would take imus fruit though and become an uncontrollable force that even shanks won’t be able to kill.

Yasopps just a bum dad lol I am not sure they were ever meant to actually meet. Roger and ace never met. Newgate wevil never met.

[rough storm]

he is tho.

[unique spruce]

I think they’re just polar opposites. Joyboy needed Davy to take advantage of imu. I think the davys are the first D. Clan

[west shoal]

My theory is Imu is a woman. Still sticking to that theory

[rough storm]

or someone who could transfer their soul to a vessel. and the reason why he was coughing blood was probably because the body hes possessing is not compatible.

[west shoal]

Let’s see what happens

[gloomy cedar]

Luffy and Blackbeard are opposites ofc, but I've been thinking why was Luffy so serious when BB was making his "Dreams of Pirates" speech? Was it just because he sensed multiple people or did he not agree with him ?? Is there theories/answers on why Luffy was so serious here ?

[rough storm]

its not about his dream speech. its everything oda showed us on the show. oda is clearly setting blackbeard as one of luffys obstacle in the future. yes for now they have no reason to fight each other but surely tthe ywill. especially shanks and bb will probably fight sooner or later. idk if shanks will los but its probablyy what will make luffy go againsts blackbeard one day

[gloomy cedar]

So Luffy recognizes that he will be an obstacle in the future and it taking him seriously in that moment ?

[rough storm]

what? lol

[gloomy cedar]

I asked why Luffy was so serious when BB was talking to him, you responded that BB is set up as an obstacle very clearly. So I took what you said and extrapolated it onto the question I asked and am now clarifying if that is what you meant by typing that ?

[rough storm]

luffy ws never serious when bb and him was eating and talking to each other

[gloomy cedar]

I said, "Why was Luffy so serious when BB was making his "Dreams of Pirates" speech?"

"The dreams of Pirates will never end" whole thing

[rough storm]

because luffy knows its something you dont laugh at

[gloomy cedar]

this definitely is not the answer. BB was talking to him and he did not answer, did not smile, nothing.

Luffy was just stone cold staring at him frown on his face, the most emotionless we have seen him all story was that moment. If Luffy was respecting his dream "it's something you don't laugh at" then he would smirk or snicker and give him a nod or something

[rough storm]

what? bro no. the basis of everything i said about bb being an obstacle to luffy is through what weve seen so far on how oda is setting bb up to be a villain one day. yes us knowing rocks was a good guy doesnt necessary makes bb a good guy. yes he might help luffy fight imu but the point of this debate earlier was that usopp can't die in wano because who would fight augur. and whats the point of yassopp?

[gloomy cedar]

nevermind, I forgot conversations can only stay on one topic forever

[rough storm]

bro ur question has no answer. ur asking about what did luffy felt when bb was doing that dream of pirates speech. like bro we read the same manga right. luffy didnt react or nothing he kept on walking but it did show that luffy and zoro was on guard. cause maybe tthey felt bb wasnt alone or something thats why when nami ask. he and they replied "they".

but on how luffy felt about bb personally nothing bro. they both dont know each other. bb didnt antagonize him so luffy wont have a reason to fight him

[gloomy cedar]

We're in the manga theories channel right? Why do I have to only ask questions that have answers in the manga? I was trying to surmise new things. Luffy def felt something toward him, reading comprehension tells me so

[rough storm]

asking something is not a theory. lmao

[gloomy cedar]

I brought something up, asked if there were theories/answers as to why it is. Turns out no theories, okay then I'll stitch some of my own thoughts together to make one

[rough storm]

i tried to answer your question earlier the best that i know but you keep ignoring it.

[gloomy cedar]

I tried to combine my question with your answer and then you sent question marks

[rough storm]

when i said "what?" that wasn't a question but me being shock at ur question like what? what are you even asking about luffy feeling something about bb? you do know that luffy didnt even mention bb once after that. so no. i dont think luffy cared at all.

[gloomy cedar]

Sorry bro that's just bad reading comprehension you got, I appreciate you entertaining my question but I'm not going to agree with you here

[rough storm]

lmao sure bro. its funny when ur the one who said that bb wont be an obstacle to luffy then to now u saying luffy felt something about bb. man ur funny

[gloomy cedar]

Ping me when you find that I said BB wasn't Luffy's obstacle and then we could continue this back and forth (ps. I didn't)

[rough storm]

my bad it wasnt you but you were the one who replied to me when i asnwered that persons comment. so i tot it was you. but you asking me that question kinda imply you agreed with him earlier.

lol thats a screen shot of someones comment who i thought it was you. like do i evven need to explain that? lmao. but anyways we need to stop this convo, thiss is a theorys channel. were flooding it with nonesense.

[gloomy cedar]

13 Grammatical errors even after the edit.

[rough storm]

lmao bro this is the internet. who cares about the grammar here unless ur that petty and needs to correct everything 😂. second. englissh is my 4th language. but it doesnt even bother me if my grammer is corerct or wrong. but man i cant believe i actually met someone who does care about grammar here on the internet lol amazing

[rough storm]

the edits wasnt edits it was me adding more to my comments cause you need to wait 1 minute to add another comment.

[unique spruce]

I think he has a lot to fight bb, biggest being ace. But I think this goes to doffys quote, what dictates justice is the victor. And I think Oda is manipulating to believing bb is a bad guy and evil. But in reality he is xebecs son who is the closest lineage to Davy we know. Unless Davy is evil, I think the real thing between luffy and bb is one wants to take the world like his dad the other want to free the world. And that will be their clash, not the fact that bb was the reason for ace dying, garp almost dying or shanks getting got. But their dreams not aligning, Blackbeard always comes in last minute, ALWAYS he knows when mayhem has broken out and sweeps in for the kill and I am ready to put my money on Blackbeard coming in and killing imu and taking his power to become the biggest villain and only because has lost too much in the world and had this growing disdain towards the world that’s taken both his dad and mom from him.

[unique spruce]

To answer your question on why luffy was so serious. My thought is because luffy’s judgement towards individuals is instinctive, I think it has something to do with the fruit and training. And what I mean by that is Luffy has grown with his fruit and has actually matured into being symbiotic with it (this plays part on an earlier theory I had with white clouds vs black clouds. White clouds mean that users are in symbiosis with their fruit like Yamato and Luffy and black clouds are people who are consumed by their fruit lucci and others.) I think Luffy has excellent foresight on judgement of individuals and animals, and that might be how he sensed that bb has multiple personalities. Blackbeard doesn’t sleep and I think he doesn’t because he just like cavendish can turn, and before you say “Zoro also sensed it” Zoro had haki from the get his mentors have trained him to use it but never mentioned that it was haki. Why he was so serious, was probably because he couldn’t get a full read on him because of his personalities.

[atomic grove]

That's what im saying. I think there was a battle for the throne between Imu and DJ, and Joyboy was fighting to have no throne

[unique spruce]

Prolly!

[languid crow]

as we know there is Uranus who is called father of the titans(giants) and his son cronus defeated him and over threw his rule, its as same as the LOKI-HARALD situation (also Rocks above panel hint show that ancient giants can use it at full potential) and the mural bove shows a being standing above everything its NIDHHOG but LOKI stopped harald from becoming one and this concludes that Uranus is LOKI the power passed on!

[muted valley]

I dont think its like you think, luffy was was serious but not like angry or anything. More he noticed something and was actually paying attention to the guy and his words as if there was some signal.

He also did say theres more than one I think

[unique spruce]

Oh I like this! That is definitely Nidhogg !

[ebon needle]

But Vegapunk stated that 1 of the ancient weapons is with the government.

[pure tusk]

Yess exactly Vegapunk stated the lulusia is weapon is the missing weapon the last one we are looking for Uranus. Not only is the lulusia weapon Uranus but its also the missing emerald city which you gotta check out my theory on it if you already haven’t I promise you won’t be disappointed 😉 @languid crow https://youtu.be/KNAoKnNrvLo?si=fA7JsEuKqEExSrzr

[ebon needle]

Intersting, let me check this.

[languid crow]

he might not have info about it and thought elbafh is a WG kingdom because of harald!

[runic mist]

it could possibly be posidon because its a princess and its a living being and might the easiest to get, actually screw that, might be uranus cuz we have nevr seen. it, and oda wants us to get a little shocked or suprised

[dull saddle]

i just want to mention Corruption and Armament, IF Omen (Maki) will be it's own thing it would make Corruption the opposing power to Armament it seems, so my guess is while Armament coats weapons or items with Haki enhancing their stats temporarily Corruption corrupts the weapons as to why they stay black after the procedure, is there anything to contradict this? working on a theory kinda

[severe ice]

I’ve been thinking about a theory. I’m not sure if it’s stupid or actually well-founded, but here it is:

Imu’s speech may reveal how their power works, especially regarding why characters like Loki and Luffy could be immune to Domi Reversi.

My idea is that Luffy does not need to become more powerful in the traditional sense. His current strength may already be enough because he has no desire to rule others, no obsession with status, and no craving for domination. That absence of ambition for control could make him resistant to Imu’s ability.

The same might apply to Loki, depending on how the Nidhogg Fruit works. If Loki also lacks the kind of corruption Imu feeds on, he could resist it as well.

Imu’s speech suggests that the corruption of human beings is enough to control them. Greed, hunger for power, fear, and ambition are presented as weaknesses. In that sense, domination does not begin with raw strength—it begins when someone willingly submits in exchange for power.

This would explain the Five Elders kneeling every time they face Nerona Imu. Their submission is not only political, but symbolic. The tattoo/mark could represent a contract: they sold their freedom in exchange for greater power.

If that is true, then Haki alone may only be a small part of resisting Imu. True resistance would come from freedom of will. Someone who cannot be tempted, corrupted, or spiritually broken cannot be dominated.

And now imagine how dangerous that domination becomes if the servant also possesses a Devil Fruit. Imu would not only control their body and loyalty, but also command the power of the fruit itself through them.

So in short: Imu’s true power may not be about overpowering enemies, but exploiting the weakness already inside them. That would make Luffy—the embodiment of freedom—the natural counter to Imu.

[summer comet]

This feels like a setup for zoro or sanji or both getting a power up imo
I have some ideas but gotta wait for proper translation of raws

[hexed crescent]

I dont think its stupid. It actually falls in line with Luffy's ideology and his definition of being the King of the Pirates being the person with the most freedom on the sea so why wouldn't it also be his greatest strength?

[rare wedge]

Who else think Imu and Joyboy were friends but something to do with Vivi cause them to become enemies? Like Vivi loved Joyboy instead of Imu or something like that?

[charred condor]

okay so it's like that
imu and joyboy were good friends back then and imu had a big crush on lily but lily wasn't a fan of it but she started dating joyboy secretly and they never told imu about this because he'd be mad but one day imu found out and he felt betrayed by joyboy and they became enemies

[atomic grove]

Ive mentioned this, but I believe there is a reason that JB and Imu's conversation was a single panel silhouette. We aren't meant to know, yet, whether that was joy, laughter, anger, argument, hate, etc...just yet.

Yes, the way its drawn does look like a joyful conversation, but like I said, it was blacked out for a reason.

What we can assume is that the conversation, itself, revolved around Dominion

So, if that conversation was filled with joyful laughter, that would mean that JB, at one point, believed in, supported, and maybe even utilized Dominion (Maki). So what changed, if so?

[tidal vapor]

What if one piece is on the moon

[solar hedge]

my guess is that its hiding that imu used to look different why black him out after he's already been revealed

[coral socket]

If imu ate a fruit, then that means that someone out there wished for a devils fruit to come into existence. But, the fruit is supposed to be pure evil, or at least thought of as such by most charecters not controlled by it. This makes me think that he doesn't actually have a devil fruit, and instead, is the devil.

this might be linked to devil fruits, as a thing. like maybe he is the one who created devil fruits to combat joyboy, or everyone who eats a devil fruit basically has a bit of imus soul in them.

[hearty bloom]

Did you not notice that when Nerona Imu was introduced, part of his intro was "Ability: Devil's Fruit"? It's not "Devil Fruit: Devil" or anything like that, it's literally the ability of the devil's fruit

[coral socket]

Exactly what I'm saying

[tidal vapor]

So imu can no diff every devil fruit user

[west wave]

Literally says “Devils Fruit”
Read the manga ffs

[runic mist]

Miny theory: Imu is using nefarari D lilys body like possessing

[wicked lava]

it was shown that he was bleeding when he left marie jois, maybe in order to stop that, he needs lily's body.

but vivi's body would also work. Joyboy must've done something to him to stop him from leaving marie joas casually

[runic mist]

What happens if he already is using lilys body, and adjusting to the new body, thats why when he left marie joas he was bleeding

[wicked lava]

maybe he's not using lily's body because lily left marie joas. That could be 'lily's mistake'. And he needs lily in order to break that curse

[runic mist]

Imu didn't make the devil fruits because he could have just took the fruits that could cause him trouble in the future, and imu is smart, so if he did make them, why would he give an op devil fruit to joyboy.

Plus we don't know when joyboy ate the devil fruit, and we don't know if they even knew each other back back then, and there were many other devil fruit user back then to i think, and we know imu, he won't go around giving such op things.

So of he did create devil fruits... hes just stupid...

and literally it says: DEVIL'S fruit

See the apostraphe?

[wicked lava]

Joyboys kingdom was so advanced in technology, where he creates the devil fruits

[half python]

My theory:

WHAT IS IMU's POWER ?**

Lets first remind ourselves of what exactly is HAKI

• First as we all know, "HAKI" is the ambitious will of someone manifested as a aura or power. (we will get to that point later)

further explanation: Haki is a manifestation of the individual's willpower made into actual power. It comes in three major types, being Observation Haki, Armament Haki, and Conqueror's Haki.

**Relation between "OMEN" and "HAKI": **

in the recent chapters(1180 and 1181) we got the first showcase of IMU's power:

• During those chapter IMU used almost everytime OMEN, in every situation like: Healing (as seen when he heals Killingham and Sommers) or offensive (when used to attack zoro and sanji).
  ** So we can assume that Omen is a big part of IMU's power.**

Well in chapter 1180 when Imu used omen, the kanji that oda used is "魔気" when translated, it says demonic aura/energy.

• furthermore, omen can be read as MAKI (which already sounds like haki, but i will not base my theory solely on this).

What i want to focus my point on, is the translation; demonic aura/energy. Hence, that "omen" is basically used as an aura.

similar to Haki, which is the manifestation of someone's willpower as an aura (like armament haki, or conquerors haki, or every advanced form of haki we know).

• therefore, we can assume that Omen works very similar to Haki.

** What exactly is "Omen" ? And whats its relation to Imu?**

in the latest chapter 1181:

• during the fight between Imu and Loki, he starts talking and preaching about corruption, covenant, and power, kinda as an attempt to persuade Loki to join his side, and become his servant like his father Harald.

• thats is almost all that the world government he leads does, his aim is to spread evil, and corruption.
  it's like his explanation or definition of what the world government he leads stands for, as we clearly see during the show, from every part in the world government, (marines, cipher pol, nobles) they all portray corruption, and covenant, aswell as power.

all that points to, that IMU "partial goal" is to spread corruption, covenant all around the world, consequently planting, anger , fear and sadness in people.

Moreover, during chapter 1181: when Loki asked IMU about his power, he states that "OMEN is simply MU's military might"

And during my journey at reading one piece, i learned that Oda doesnt choose his words lightly.

• i believe the word "military might" could indicate that IMU's power, is a result of multiple sources, like an army forming that power. (or could just mean that imu's power can rival nations like a military, could also be double meanings).

For instance, we can deduce:

• by putting, anger , fear and sadness, and spreading his dominion in people, Imu gains power. (well you may think thats logical: by dominating you gain authority). BUT were not talking about same power here, in the latest chapter when imu says the word "power", (chikara) is the stated reading, though it uses the same kanji previously used for "OMEN" as stated in the translation note, in the image below.

My Theory:

Imu's power is fueled by none other than the DOMINION he puts people in, creating then a state of constant negative energy/aura that comes out of all people, thus harnessing that aura to use as power.
when in lack of light, there is darkness.
when in lack of haki (ambition/willpower), there is MAKI(negative energy/aura).

• furthermore, the name "JOYBOY" aligns well as like a role to bring to people joy, hence weakening imu's power (but ill leave that for another theory).

[odd pine]

some things i noticed recently
1181 is titled 'a god and a devil' emphasis on a in that
likewise, in the original japanese that listed his fruit, it was listed as devil fruit but the devil being spelt in hiragana rather than the usual kanji, the addition of the was a choice made by the english translator without any more knowledge than any of us
also, when we're referring to nika the sun god, he's specifically the sun god, not god. there are multiple gods in the mural on elbaph such as the sea god and the forest god, i think similarly there are multiple devils
maybe blackbeard is one? maybe thats connected to the davy clan and thats the reason the world government targets them so much
this is kinda moreso throwing darts at the wall but i do think its important to keep an eye out for the subtle differences in words
i wanna go back and reread all of one piece especially skypiea and take a closer look at the elbaph mural and everything we know about the void century to create a more substantial theory, but i do think that this use of language is intentional and pointing towards something, what it might be im not entirely sure

also smth about joyboy in this chapter... idk maybe the d clan in general are devils, i mean they are refereed to as the natural enemy of god
i will come back to this when i have more evidence i like this idea

[runic mist]

Theory Of How Devil Fruits Were Created: Maybe there was a god like being born before the void age, and had near limitless power, he was maybe so strong he got bored because no one was as strong as him, so he made an decision, to split his soul into many peaces, similar to jjk, so in the future he could come back and fight, but it went a little wrong, and the fragments of his soul were turned into powerful fruits, and that would also kinda explain how devil fruit users can awaken there fruit, maybe when they awaken their fruit they awaken a fraction of his soul which is a fraction of his power, and maybe.. if a devil fruit user gos in great great despair so great they would kill them selfs or something like that, they can lose control and that god whos soul is in each devil fruit infectes the users soul, and the god takes control, but if there like luffy theres a chance they could resist it, and i think thats how devil fruits were created.

[half python]

maybe the earth god split his power into 3 in the first world:
sea god, forest god, rain god.

[fierce thorn]

What if Imu talking about a god and a devil is showing that he was stuck in a difficult situation.
Joyboy the god and Davy the Devil.

And the Devil fruits come from Davy.
I.e you can't swim because the will/soul of the fruit is trying to return to Davys Locker in the bottom of the sea.

If Imu saw Joyboy and Davy clash it would be devastating impacts the like we've not even seen from things like Whitebeard vs Roger. Under those conditions where Joyboy is in a fight with Davy what would be the difference between a devil and a god in their actions, both causing destruction over the premise of power. Joyboy the liberator and Davy as a overlord this is the war between the D that is still raging. Imu is holding both sides at bay through domination but Lineage remembers and the promised day is coming where THEY WILL MEET and finish the fight that was never concluded in the past.

[half python]

i like this one, i also think that davy had the moon god fruit (aka yami yami no mi BB current fruit).
and joyboy ofc had the sun god fruit, and a fight broke out, and imu was just the one that had to make a choice.

[tidal vapor]

Imu=Devil
Davy=Moon god
Joyboy=Sun god

[wicked lava]

And there’s a weather god right? So dragon

[plain widget]

ive got a theory that Blackbeard is going to be the final enemy of the anime/manga. As we saw, Imu appears to have some sort of weakness when coming into Elbaph. Knowing Blackbeard, he very well could be smart enough to use this to his advantage. Blackbeard is also smart enough to try to form an alliance. He will meet up with the strawhats. forming an alliance to defeat Imu. He will gain Luffys trust by claiming he was a companion with Ace, proving it by saying Ace very well had the potential to defeat after he left Whitebeard, but didn't. After defeating Imu, Blackbeard will betray Luffy and the strawhats, Thus creating the final battle over the one piece between Luffy and Blackbeard.

I wasn't able to fit this in the theory, but I also believe at one point Blackbeard will kill shanks, causing Luffy to go full out in the final battle, creating a very intense finale.

[iron current]

even though your premise that BB might be the final villain has some merit to it, your hole idea that BB can convince Luffy to form an alliance because "he was a companion with Ace" while Luffy at least is aware that BB was the one who put Ace in jail and is more or less the root for what has happened to Ace.
There is also the problem that we have no idea what BB knows and doesnt know. Is he even aware that Imu exists?

[raw scarab]

The theory I been leaning to the last few months has been that the Sun god is a moniker that multiple people have assumed. Outside of Jaya, we hear very little about other gods. Its possible Nika was really the moon god, but because he lived on the Sun Tree or because he had the mother flame, he was referred to as the Sun God. Loki and Road both had similar, yet different views on the sun god. Perhaps the forest god at one point went to the Land of the Gods, and was called then the Sun God. Perhaps Davy for a moment declared himself king and the sun god, before being defeated.

We hear in Elbaf that the Sun God might be a ruler, a god of liberation, a god of destruction, a god of laughter . Nika wears white, but that doesnt mean others who tried to hold the Sun God mantle always had white hair or white clouds.

[sterile tendon]

I've a theory. What if chopper's fruit is a Hito-Hito Nomi model Wendigo. Because When Chopper uses monster point It kinda resembles Wendigo. Chopper might be attack by Imu or get covenant (not by will) or maybe get killed, possessed by Imu in someway. The Wendigo Demonic Soul Will Feel Threatened Then His Fruit Would Awaken. He'll be transformed into A form that is like Monster point but a lot more durable and stronger he might have regeneration abilities devilish abilities or Omen or soul abilities like Imu. but He's the god of the forest. The madness of the forest that want The Devils to get away. He'll be able to control the souls of animals,plants and even Animals,plants themselves. That's why he's The Guardian of the forest and The God Of The Forest.

[sterile tendon]

Hito-Hito Nomi isn't Chopper's fruit real name It's Hito-Hito Nomi model Wendigo But The World government faked the news that it's Hito-Hito Nomi If a human eats it there'll be no power. Because Imu fears that If a human eats that power, it could be used against him. Like the Nika fruit. The World government faked it's real name.

[slender fulcrum]

Unlikely I dont see Oda playing the same trope twice tbh

[raw scarab]

the forest god/wendigo theory has been a solid theory floating around for awhile. I am not sure it is actually named the wendigo, but I think it is at least an inspiration. I am curious what a human would do if they had eaten it.

Adding to Chopper = Forest god theory, we can arguably see parallels with Chopper and Vegapunk as well. You might ask how they are similar, but Vegapunk was also someone who experimented and flew too close to the sun. Chopper used his rumble balls to awaken different forms of his devil fruit, but he wasn't able to master them all (monster point.) That caused destruction, and was a threat as much as it provided power. However after the timeskip, he provided even humanity to that.

There might be a parallel as well between whoever may have created new races (lunarians, buccaneers) in the old world and vegapunk effectively doing the same thing now. Could that have been the forest god?

I think the Forest god was a scientist, a geneticist. In some ways similar to vegapunk.

[wicked lava]

Yep, I said this before too. Imu was introduced late, so he’ll be defeated first, then Blackbeard will show his true self.

Or plot twist…. Shanks is the final enemy

[half python]

@modest skiff yo, could i get my theory added to the pinned collection ?

[sterile tendon]

Imu will be the final enemy. I think. He has all charecter like Devilish

[wicked lava]

na, the 2nd final enemy. Blackbeard or Shanks will be the final final enemy

[tidal vapor]

Imu is 800+ years old
the final enemy

[rotund sinew]

I think Usopp and Brook are down right now because they will have a larger role in the next part of the arc.

Brook is obvious with Gunko, but I think Usopp is on standby until the Red Hair Pirates arrive. Thinking back to the start of the arc, I thought it was interesting that we actually saw Yasopp in action a bit. There have been other times where he COULD have done something like on the end of Wano, or vs the Kidd pirates but Oda-sensei has always chosen to leave him alone.

This time, however, to start the arc off, we saw him basically shoot the Barto Club in the back. It showcased his strength in observation by shooting the cannons, but also his philosophy. He’s not the same kind of head-on honorable warrior that Usopp wants to be. They’re both cowards in some way (Yasopp can’t face his family) but Yasopp chooses to fight his battle from afar, while Usopp hopes to be on the front lines even if he is a sniper. I believe Oda-sensei intentionally put Yasopp here to characterize him before the eventual reunion.

I think Usopp’s cowardice comes from his Dad and Usopp’s image of his Dad will be broken when they actually meet and prompt him to grow past his Dad in his own way.

Luffy and Loki likely will not get a clean victory on Imu, and I’m sure Shanks’ crew will come here to help out, and Luffy will also have to contend with the dark past of his father figure.

I think a sub theme of this arc has been flawed fathers and inherited will. I think Brook - Shuri - Shuri’s Father, Loki - Harald, Luffy - Shanks, Usopp -Yasopp and possibly even Imu - Joyboy (the yelling panel about Joyboy) will all be important to the theme of inheritance and lineage.

The children subplot and the new direction of elbaph I think also are meant to tie into this lineage of will.

As a prediction, I’d assume we will be at our lowest for these characters after this confrontation with Imu as he is the dark side of being dominated by will and admiration.

Then we will see a big reconciliation and catharsis when Shanks’ crew pulls up as people will confront the reality of their idols, and Usopp will realize he does not have to be held back by a Father he doesn’t need respect from, and can choose a warrior’s path of his own will

[modest skiff]

Yes, we're working on a new system for our pins to make it a bit easier to upkeep. I'll add yours to the next batch. Thanks for posting it

[runic mist]

He split his power into three to finnaly have strong opponents if they fight, but then the three gods were kind, and the og god wanted them to be fight addicts like him, so he turned them into the three god devil fruits, like the 3 warriers liberation, destruction, and creation, and luffy ate the liberation, or they get turned into the three most powerful logia fruits, and then the og god got bored and split his soul into pieces, blah blah blah

[runic mist]

@modest skiff Same can i get my how devil fruits were created theory added to the pinned collection

[frozen fulcrum]

What if Brook tells us a story about the Straw Hats?

Everyone died except Brook, and he tells us all the story... he could also have the information from Nami's book about the backstories.

[tidal vapor]

So how did brook survive

[frozen fulcrum]

hes an skeleton

[frozen fulcrum]

when he dont get killed he can survive??

[tidal vapor]

Make sense

[frozen fulcrum]

ik

[runic mist]

Like after luffy becomes king of the pirates? And brook if hes alive tells the story in the post credits scene but never finishes it, like he says "Come on guys listen up, today ima tell u a story of a great pirate..." then the last episode finishes, then the manga finshes then they animate the scene, boom anime finishef

[frozen fulcrum]

yea

[runic mist]

Oh ok

[runic mist]

And maybe they'll make an extra episode or a whole different serious and brook tells storys we never heard or saw with like 4 or 5 episodes

[frozen fulcrum]

myb

[raw scarab]

!theories

[lone hedge]

Please refrain from using manga-theories for joke theories, casual chit-chat, power scaling, bounty predictions or low-effort memes. This channel is for serious discussion- please read the channel description. Posts here must be in paragraph form, preferably with evidence, not just a one line open question.

[vapid dock]

Higest bounty of all time and luffys final bouty will be 5.6 bilion im 100% sure

[vapid dock]

Some people believes that joy boy was a citizen of that grear kingdom of void century, he wanted to spread their information to other kingdoms or islands, but imu, who was part of one of those kingdom/islands thought that joy bot wanted to conquered them and then he got angry

[vestal lotus]

Just thinking, Maki “Omen” might get its power from evil deed, corruption, the evil deeds that comes from those who got contracts with Imu, or gets domi reversi done on them. Those who got domi reversi, when get beaten and their domi reversi gets broken, Imu gets damaged.
Domination “ domi reversi, pacts” might be the source of power of Imu. his pact people got beaten “ the holy knights” which might have been a risk to his power, that is why he came to Elbaf to save the situation. In a nutshell, Imu can be beaten be defeating his pact people.

Imu bleeding when he arrived in Elbaf could be a sign of that damage that he took through the Holy knights or the others who got their domi reversi broken.

Just a theory

[plain widget]

I think he would know, with his relations to Rocks D Xebec. Also, if he didn't I believe at some point in the story it will be important to the plot for him to learn.

[olive locust]

THEORY ABOUT FIRST WORLD:

1️⃣ First world (Pre-Void Century)

-The One Piece planet is an physical entity that connects to people’s will and desire. (Like pandora of Avatar)

-The Eve Tree bears fruits based on people’s dreams, granting elemental powers (similar to the Genesis: "you can eat all fruits you desire").

-But Mankind also discovered the secret energy/power behind the Eve Tree and the Devil Fruits: The Mother Flame.

-The Mother Flame carries a powerful curse related to the sea; just as Devil Fruit users cannot swim, using the Mother Flame causes the sea levels to rise and engulf the planet.

-Like a nuclear weapon, the Mother Flame is impossible to hold without being corrupted; all kings wanted it to become powerful and to become the King of the World and control everyone else.

-Global world wars and slavery started over this power, and Devil Fruits were used as weapons in these wars.

-Nika was the only one who did not want the power. Nika (who ate the Sun God fruit) and an ally who used the Hellfire Serpent (possibly the original user of Dragon’s fruit) planned to destroy the Mother Flame.

-They clashed against the first user of Omen (Mother Flame) and an army of powerful Devil Fruit users from enemy kingdoms, including Nidhogg (Nidhogg vs the Hellfire Serpent from the mural).

-They planned to combine their powers to destroy the Flame, but an unknown interference or betrayal occurred, causing them to fail, that's why mural said they "Never Met".

-Maybe they defeated the main enemy (Omen user), But they failed to destroy the mother flame

—the wars continued for a long time until the Void Century began and Joyboy appeared.

[lyric zenith]

Someone likely already said this but my elbaf theory is that Blackbeard will show up during the fight with Imu. Since they’re fighting Imu there’s a huge chance that Imu is going to die or be defeated. I think Loki and Luffy will weaken Imu and Blackbeard will finish him off and take his fruit similar to what he did with whitebeard. I also think blackbeards true power will be revealed in this arc. My reasoning behind this theory is the fact that rocks said he’d be back someday to take Imu down. It wouldn’t makes sense for Oda to include that line in the story if Blackbeard wasn’t gonna be apart of defeating Imu.

[languid crow]

guys i think IMU have third eye same as pudding and also he killed people of that tribe and kept their eyes in those clouds

i might not have enough info to prove it but yh we have to discuss it!

[primal prism]

Guys I think in the final war sanji will somehow get conquers haki like zoro to intercept the 5 gorosei and holy knights immortality

[iron current]

!theories

[lone hedge]

Please refrain from using manga-theories for joke theories, casual chit-chat, power scaling, bounty predictions or low-effort memes. This channel is for serious discussion- please read the channel description. Posts here must be in paragraph form, preferably with evidence, not just a one line open question.

[fast wing]

I think Imu will defeat and capture Luffy, and this will fulfill the mural showing everyone charging the massive creature holding the sun. The "sun god" we see in the mural is actually Bonney coming to save Luffy

Either that, or Imu isn't defeated by Luffy/Loki, but is sufficiently stalled to either enrage Imu or tiring him thus forcing him to revert forms, this may lead to him to his smaller form we see breaking down at a faster pace. This could lead to the ancient weapon being unleashed in Elbaf. Blackbeard probably doesnt wait in Marijois to ambush and consume Imu's power. Whilst it would fit with Xebec saying that he would return, I just dont see Blackbeard defeating all 5 elders, the admirals and most of the gods knights all at once without either an alliance with the revolutionary army, or by using Wano's ancient weapon to assault the city.

[wicked lava]

Or, imu will defeat luffy, and right before he kills luffy, dragon will spawn behind imu

As dragon also has the 4th god fruit

[thick warren]

What if Joy Boy and Imu were originally meant to rule the world, but Joy Boy wasn’t interested in ruling, so he passed it on to Davey D.?

And maybe Imu and “D.” were supposed to share power—like a balance—where, for example, D. rules during the day and Imu during the night, similar to the concept of a “king of the day” and a “king of the night.”

But Imu’s greed may have driven them to want full control over the world, breaking that balance.

Also, the “D.” could symbolize a half circle—representing “half” of the rule or shared power.

[wicked lava]

and rocks wanted to fulfill Davy jones will, and get rid of imu for him.

It’s almost as if Davy jones passed down information about imu to his kids, how else would rocks know to walk to the flower room and know that imu is the king of the world

[past urchin]

Luffy dream is actually world domination and everyone just laughs thinking he’s joking he’s a menace 😭

[wicked lava]

And he said “maybe it’s possible when I’m pirate king”. So u might be right

or maybe it’s to destroy the red line so all the seas can be one

[past urchin]

That smiling devil

[fast wing]

It's pretty clear now that Joyboy actually intended to conquer the world and was one of the first 20 who didn't want to abide by the promise that nobody would be king. The apology in fishman Island indirectly supports this. He's apologising for breaking the promise of there being no king!
Emet even apologises for failing to make Joyboy king and perhaps Zunesha didn't agree with Joyboy's ambition to become king.
Could it be that we are looking at Imu the wrong way? Could Imu have been forced to resort to devilry and dark magic in order to defeat Joyboy?

[coral socket]

Destroying the red line being luffys dream doesn't really make sense, cus he had this dream way back when he was with sabo and ace, so he wouldn't even know about it. An idea I had about luffys dream was that he wanted to take down the tenryubito, as they killed sabo and he has shown hatred for them for the whole manga. This would lead to the red line breaking if he becomes gigantic and drestroys marie joa (idk how to spell that.) The only problem with this theory is that luffy didn't know about the tenryubito when he told ace and sabo about his dream, so that means he either changed the dream, or he had something more vague in mind, like wanting to stop poverty or oppresion, which he would have seen in the grey terminal

[wicked lava]

Fairs. Also, luffys dream was also Roger’s dream. Roger said “we came too early” when he arrived at laughtale.

And luffy said “it may be possible once I’m pirate king”.

Soo… what could this be

[coral socket]

the one thing that kinda makes sense to me would be something like we wanted to stop world war against imu, or something like that. But luffy and roger both would never want that, cus why eould they stop war.

and luffys kinda dumb, so this dream would have to be very big, but stupid, like destroying the moon or something. idk

[timber anchor]

before the first world, imu and his friends probably came from space. imu was fascinated by the world they arrived on and later got corrupted by his discoveries. if imu was friends with joyboy, then maybe he proposed the idea of ruling the world together. perhaps joyboy declined imu and sided with lily? imu feels betrayed by this and starts a war against the half-moon clan.

i can't let go of the space pirates.....they gotta have an important connection somewhere...

[patent lintel]

I dont think this relates but in that one movie where they were fighting for laughtale compass it pointed to the sky

[sonic ruin]

I've read Elbaph mural again and a theory I've been thinking just made yet more sense. I think humans were the enslaved people while the ancient races ruled. I think Imu befriended Joyboy, Lily, and other humans (or slaved races in general) and fought with them to estabilish not only world government, but a human centered one. This fight was only made possible when they "succumbed to greed and touched the forbidden sun", what I believe is about the devil fruits. The whole Imu speech about power coming from corruption/pacts points to this being the reality he knew. After Joyboy crew defeated the ruling world of that era I believe Imu made some scheme to become this king in the shadows, defeating the whole purpose of what they were fighting for

[celest viper]

Luffy's dream wanting to eat the sun or the motherflame is ridiculous enough to be true

[last estuary]

Mu = nothingness = void.

Maki seems similar to the “Breath of All Things.” That ability allows users to sense the lifeforce within objects, as if everything possesses a kind of living presence. In that same vein, I think Imu may draw in the negative energy or stigma surrounding the world. It feels somewhat comparable to Big Mom’s Soul Pocus.

"Within the void, there was breath"

I also think the mural suggests that the Earth God’s soul lingered after death until it found the sacred tree, where it reincarnated into a Devil Fruit. This mirrors Brook’s soul wandering through the mist for a year before finally reuniting with his body. There’s also a clear Shandian parallel: they believed the spirits of their ancestors dwelled within the holy white trees, guided by the ringing of the bell.

When Imu refers to themself in the third person as “Mu,” it could imply that the Earth God’s personality is the dominant one, or that its influence has merged with Imu in some way. Possibly both.

What if Vegapunk’s hypothesis is completely accurate, that humanity’s desire for evolution gave rise to the possibility of Devil Fruits? Earlier, I mentioned the Shandians’ connection to the holy white trees. What if those who longed for new forms or powers had their souls drawn to the tree after death?

I believe it to be the Sunlight Tree Eve because of its geographical location and the symbolism of its name, which is tied to the origins of creation and sin itself.

The world is divided by the Red Line, with Mariejois positioned at its center. The Sunlight Tree Eve absorbs sunlight and gives life to the world below.

The mural also depicts a tree with many branches bearing what appear to be fruits. These branches symbolize the many possible futures of humanity, while the fruit represents power.

This imagery aligns with Vegapunk’s hypothesis on the origins of Devil Fruits. And if the Forest God was the one who planted that tree, then perhaps they alone hold dominion over these “devil” fruits and the powers tied to them.

Ps I’m working on a theory, and this is only a miniscule part of the grand scheme. Enjoy the read, because there’s literally a whole book’s worth of text still to come once I finish developing the theory, and I am constantly changing things here and there because of revelation that comes to me

[slender fulcrum]

That's what I kept saying for ages. BB will become the final antagonist. Z

[olive locust]

One Piece is a mission of liberation, not just a hunt for treasure.

The Eve Tree produces energy called the Mother Flame, which is the source of all Devil Fruit powers. While a Devil Fruit gives an individual unique abilities based on human dreams, the Mother Flame is like "nuclear power"—it is the raw essence called Omen that can become anything the user desires. (FIRST WORLD)

Because it can be used to oppress others, whoever holds it becomes the King of the World. This power is so overwhelming that it corrupts anyone who tries to claim it, which is what happened to Imu.
This is likely the secret to Imu’s power. It explains why he is so invincible yet cannot leave Mariejois; he must remain near the source, the Eve Tree. He established the World Government and Mariejois specifically to guard and control the Mother Flame within the tree.

Joyboy ultimate goal will be to destroy the Mother Flame so no one can ever abuse it again, finally ending the cycle of war and slavery. However, because destroying the Flame will also destroy the Fishmen's home, Joyboy and the Giants built the Noah 800 years ago—to evacuate the Fishmen and save them before the Mother Flame is extinguished forever. (2ND WORLD)

[wanton lake]

What if imu is what luffy is like to shanks.. I mean you could go deeper into this, but how I see it working is imu being completely opposite to luffy and maybe joyboy was what Shanks is to luffy, and something went wrong and imu disagreed with joyboy, we could go deeper into this but that's just an idea that popped into my mind randomly

[urban eagle]

Bes theory I have heard for a long time. Most facts fits https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gxuNIvlF95I

set the language to english due to german content

[solar hedge]

There's been a bit too much language revolving around the role imagination and will plays in this series so it's got me cooking up an idea. To put a large concept in very short, I think that imagination and will have a direct impact on the One Piece world, both on an individual and on a collective level.

The latter is much easier to point to text at but perhaps a bit more esoteric to explain. Rayleigh at the end of Luffy's training mentions that he's taught him basically all he can on a technical level and from there Luffy would have to clash his haki with others in order for it to grow more powerful. We've seen Haki substitute as a force instead of physical contact, an externalization of internal will that can even affect the surrounding environment by splitting the skies. When Luffy fights against someone else the implicit theme is of a battle between freedom and whatever that villain represents, and the stronger will proves their point and thus causes a change in the world. While this can just be attributed to the political power taken by a won fight, alongside the role imagination is playing in the story it's getting harder and harder to say that this is a simple cause and effect chain (beat bad guy > power vacuum > good ruler installed) and not something linked to desire on a deeper level.

For fruits, there has been a slow buildup of us finding more and more about how DFs just break the rules of reality itself. Crocodile directly chastises Luffy for not being creative enough with his fruit, effectively faking his special attacks when they were all just the same punch. After that Luffy starts rapidly adding new attacks and new forms to his arsenal, each of them meant to mimic something he has seen. He's connecting the dots on how to utilize his fruit to replicate effects from the world around him. This reaches a point where we have things like Gear 3, where even a skilled combatant like Lucci makes the reasonable assumption that blowing a bunch of air into his arms wouldn't increase his striking power only to be dead wrong as he gets blasted by an attack that was significantly stronger than Luffy's base punches. There's the idea that a swordsman must be able to visualize the ability to cut through steel in order to accomplish the feat, and that such swordsman can further choose when they want NOT to cut something, again a visualization trick. Sanji outspeeding Kizaru, who is made of light and points out that no amount of speed should have made that possible as it would require rewriting all of physics. And now we have Vegapunk all but confirming DF are manifestations of people's dreams.

I put forwards that both Devil Fruits and Haki operate from the same stuff: imagination. Further that this is why Haki allows a person to counteract DF abilities in the same way as Haki would allow a swordsman to cut through normally uncuttable materials, or alternatively to not cut anything at all. Haki is a manifestation of willpower, of dreams, of imagination. It allows a person access to the same reality breaking kind of power that a Devil Fruit bestows passively. Suddenly a person can take hold of smoke or fire itself. There is an order to the world for it to exist at all, hence Kizaru discussing that physics are still a very real thing normally, but those who possess either a DF or sufficient/any amount of Haki have the potential to reshape the world in line with how they see it whether through force or through ability.

There are larger concepts at play in the One Piece world and both Haki and DF are humanity's way of interacting with these.

[gusty ember]

Streets are saying ragnir might be made from the same stuff as the poneglyphs

[tidal vapor]

Interesting

[rain vale]

I agreee with you here I think it will go something like this, in my opinion there’s 3 predictions the first one is that one of the strawhats dies or get captured (this is going really popular especially with the new intro where all strawhats are seen walking forward while ussop is standing still) - this could also trigger a kind of revenge/war motive for the strawhats or possibly trigger a sabody 2.0 and the strawhats go into another training arc, the 2nd prediction is that someone saves the strawhats maybe shanks or dragon who knows and the 3rd prediction is that Loki and luffy are able to stall imu to where they have to retreat (worst prediction in my opinion) - or Blackbeard shows up something along those lines I couldn’t think of anything else possibly happening- I really don’t think imu will be defeated, the way he one shot Zoro and sanji it’s just not possible, even if it’s against luffy and Loki I do think they’ll lose I don’t think oda would want to create a villain that’s so easy to defeat then there’s no excitement for us to see until the end of the series - the strawhats BARELY survived egghead with 5 gorosei and so many miracles happened in that arc, robot came alive, joyboy halo, bonney taps into nika, i just can’t see anymore bigger miracles happening especially against imu

[half python]

i disagree with that, i believe, one strawhat or a friend of luffy will be killed by imu, (and ofc he will be killed while trying to save luffy from a fatal hit) this will trigger flashback from marineford (ace) to luffy, traumatising him.
meanwhile imu will recover the holy knights, achieve his goals rq on elbaph, maybe destroy the owl library, and then he will dip bc it seems imu dont have much time to stay outside of mary geoise

[umbral summit]

Mary Geoise will be taken over by dragon while imu is away

[austere widget]

Hi. . . I am in such things first time (even Discor LoL) but I saw that other ppl, can send here their theories. . . So I will go on.

As we know, there many trio in One Piece. Like: Luffy, Sanji and Zoro (monster trio). Nami, Usopp and Chopper (coward trio). Ace, Sabo and Luffy (brothers/ASL trio). I think you got it. . . And my theory in that, that there is Shanks, Buggy and someone else, as smt like Rodger Pirates, or Oro Jackson trio. So my theory idea, that this 'Someone', will come, and fight Imu too. Maybe we don't saw her/him bcs she/he was on some kind of training, if we know that Imu actually rule the Navy side, maybe there someone is as secret as Imu on pirates side. . .

[reef bay]

Just theorizing oda isn’t going to finish one piece for another decade minimum. He is still gonna have to finish the remaining arcs:

-finish elbaph
-search for last poneglyph
-get to laugh tale
-learn about the void century (minimum 100 chapters imo)
-final war with imu
-final war with Blackbeard
-shanks confrontation somewhere in the above
-zoro vs mihawk

[stone bolt]

Many of those are going to be concurrent, and I doubt learning about the void century would be 100 chapters

[reef bay]

Idk. I could see oda giving us a really in depth back story. This is his final villain so it’d make sense for him to fully flush out the backstories. Imu and Joyboy will 100% have their own arc dedicated to themselves. Oda has been going crazy with this manga and I don’t think he wants to stop it anytime soon…

… also knowing oda, he’s gonna get sidetracked having fun while writing and take his time as we have seen him do time and time again.

[reef bay]

Omg another theory… imu gave mihawk the third and most sacred covenant. His mark isn’t a tattoo tho. It’s his eyes. Imu is able to see through his eyes always, or maybe use mihawk as a vessel?

Even further, what if zoro made a pact with mihawk and has that mark under his eye. I doubt he’d betray luffy lol but just a fun thought tangent I thought I’d share

[cold maple]

I actually see Blackbeard attacking Marie Joise aswell since he told Laffite to "be ready" for something he could just do the same thing as his dad and Storm the place,not to mention Catrina Devon for some reason touched Saturn and we don't know the reason for that as of know ,well it could be that

[cold maple]

Decade is a bit too much let's say 5 years

[rough storm]

shanks will be before blackbeard for sure. it will be the reason why the strawhats have to fight them.

[cold maple]

I have a theory on who told Doflamingo to kill Moria

And the answer is that it was Imu himself,it is because at the end of thriller bark we see a tall giant figure which looks similar to Imu and in the latest chapter we saw that Imu can use gigantification so it can tell why that figure was so tall

And the reason as to why he was in the Florian triangle is because during Moria's time he had discovered a secret of the WG

[river flint]

Theory about what the One Piece is: The One Piece is probably some tale about the future of the world that the future Sun God (luffy) would do. And a hell ton of treasure as well, but one treasure stands out that includes a button. (it would make sense for there to be a destructive switch since the ancient kingdom was very advanced) The crew then confront a weakened Imu in Marie Jois. (theory is that Imu will run out of time and be extremely weak) with many dead holy knights and one or two dead elders with some injured. How they will get there very quickly might be due to an ancient kingdom technology found in the treasure like teleportation. Then, imu is forced to tell them about the entirety of the void century and then right at the end comes blackbeard killing Imu. The straw hats are taken by surprise, and blackbeard eats imus devil fruit, and gives the covenant marks to his crew. The elders try to fight blackbeard but are killed prematurely. Then, coincidentally, cross guild is also there. And shanks is in marie jois. The marines come to marie jois quickly and this makes a final war. The final war will last for weeks with a few strawhats dead and more then half of the marines dead. This news may reach Luffy's allies, so two ancient weapons get involved. One is Poseidon from fishman island, who is Shirahoshi, who will help break the red line with her sea beasts. And Wano will release Pluton, as Yamato shows everyone in Wano all the information there is in Oden's journal that contains information about the Void Century. They destroy the red line and the world turns into one piece, showing the ancient kingdom that is in the ocean floor.

This will also fulfill Nika's duty. Many say he will bring destruction to this world and many say he will liberate this world. He destroys the red line and Blackbeard's will, which breaks blackbeard mentally and destroys fishman island. Finishing his job as destroyer. He liberates people trapped by the WG, fulfilling his liberate

[tidal vapor]

My theory
They are multiple pocket dimension from devil fruit power in one piece universe like the book world, mirror world, World inside the door
These are obvious pocket dimension
But i think there are more

1. Dream dimension: Pocket dimension from Nika fruit.
   Because Luffy could summon anything from his imagination
   . So there might be Dream dimension contain those things

2.Dark dimension: Pocket dimension from the Devil fruit.
Just like Nika fruit but instead this dimension contain evil things.

3.Nine worlds dimension: Pocket dimension from Nidhoggr fruit.
This is because Loki's offence technic was based on different worlds in Norse mythology

4.Spirit dimension: Pocket dimension from Revive fruit.
Because brook used cold wind from the underworld.

[tidal vapor]

Sounds amazing

[dark horizon]

This is a bit of a lesser theory but I just wanna give a take about Alabasta

[dark horizon]

I think people (kinda rightly) perceive Crocodile's lack of haki in Alabasta as somewhat confusing and that it retroactively downplays his strength during that arc, but I think he probably actually did

Or rather I mean to say that Haki was not something absent from those fights, it was just impercieveable. We know that retroactively Zoro being able to cut metal was haki yet we were unable to see it as readers because the characters had not properly unlocked Observation haki to percieve it themselves.

My take is that, like Zoro, Luffy actually did unconsiously use Armament haki during the fight vs Crocodile. The explanation we're given during the arc is that Luffy uses the water and later his own blood to hit through Crocodile's sand because it's his weakness

Yet it's not entirely convincing for Crocodile to be susceptile to such a thin layer of water, let alone blood, something present during any time Crocodile would injure or kill someone

The water that Luffy used in his fight metaphorically carried the will of the Old man digging to find water, to the reader we knot it carried the will of the people of Alabasta alongside it, and thus Luffy coating his fists with the water was him coating himself with the will of the people. This isn't even a take, we know this metaphorically

Then him coating himself in blood is his next step in that, a manifestation of his will to fighting for those willing to fight for themselves. It is his contribution to the fight, his own will being used to coat himself in something that could penetrate Crocodile's weakness

I think that perhaps it was that combination of will and the fact that Luffy believed it would work that was able to manifest some early form of Armament Haki during the fight

Things like belief, will, and dreams are the very fabric of One Piece's themes, it's not a far cry thematically to claim that it was the fact that Luffy believed he could hit Crocodile with this that made it possible through his will

And this logic also kinda helps to explain whatever Red Hawk is, there may be some explanation relating to friction sure, but in reality it's because Luffy carries on Ace's will and that he believes it is possible that makes that attack achieveable

In this way it's possible Oda wasn't always really inconsistent with how the powers work. He always knew devil fruits were manifestations of people's dreams, of people's beliefs, so to him it may have never been a stretch to make what peoplelike Luffy believe is possible achievable through this will based haki system

Anyway that's why Crocodile isn't a fraud, Luffy just beat him with Haki frfr

[tidal vapor]

You might be right.

[dark horizon]

Tyty

[runic mist]

Another Theory:

[spring saffron]

Nami is telling the story of the straw hats, we see in water seven first episode it starts off with Nami telling a story almost like a narrator

[acoustic vigil]

since we know there is a human fruit, who's to say there arent other species too?? maybe theres a fishman fruit , mink fruit,or even a lunarian fruit, and what would those hybrids look like on a human?

anddd this might be a huge stretch but, imu looks like a lunarian, can grow wings like a skypian, has horns like an oni, can grow huge like a giant, has a tail (maybe mink idk), has those red ringed eyes (could be a race trait idk) so what if his fruit can change his race or take their traits?

[tidal vapor]

Yes

[cold maple]

That's a good theory NGL

[muted valley]

I like this, Itd make sense that like the mirror world where its a world inside mirrors connecting the mirrors to the outside world.

What if everything works that way. Like the other dimensions are abstract but connect everyone. Where each persons desires, seap in and get remanufactured and spat out.

[cold maple]

Or it could be that Crocodile is actually a woman and is not using Haki so that he wouldn't go back to being a woman as Haki nullifys devil fruits powers and obv the devil fruit user is Ivankov

[blazing estuary]

That is unironically the most interesting evidence for Croc being a woman I’ve ever heard

[cold maple]

For some reason I dont think this theory is far fetched

[grand comet]

Oh, I was saying that in support of

[cold maple]

Ik I was just stating that the theory has a genuine possibility

[vapid dock]

I think the next gorosei dying is jupeter, maybe oda ia following the order of planets backwards since saturn was the first one dying, making warcury the last one dying
Also he is the most resistant character

[tidal vapor]

Might be true

[lofty urchin]

My theory about the first pirates is imu is joy boys first mate then ate a devil fruit. A mythical zoan that has its own will. The devil fruits will over powered imus and he named the will of the df mu. Then betrayed joy boy and asked lily who probably was on that crew to join him and declared war on the kingdom. Imu keeps calling himself mu. I think mu is a devil from the first world. And was made a df.all people with powers from the first world, their powers were made into dfs. The strongest made mythical dfs with their own will in them.

[copper mason]

This seems to make sense. Although I think Imu was genuinely royalty but he and Joyboy were close in some way. Same with Lily. And the DFs were powers manifested from the Age of Heaven where everyone had regular powers, Haki included. Imu's own fruit most likely overrode/twisted his will, or it could be that it just brought out his darker side. Mu might be the devil that all the gods were against

[runic mist]

Whats happens if imu isn't the real villian, and happens of theres someone stronger then imu, and is immortal like a god, and inu is the servent, that explains why he never shows his face and its like theres a hood over his face, and the crown looking thingy magigy is a crown but has a emerald looking gem in the middle and 2 other ones beside it, and what they do is they are races, like lunarien, giant, bukeneer, giant, mink, so on and so on, and those gems allow him to transform into any race, and maybe luffy will awaken gear six in the figh against imus master, we can call him MX for now, and how he awakens gear six is by stealing imus crown thing and putting it on, because nami finds out what it does, and is tied up, and shouts to wear the crown thing, so luffy steals it and its on his head( hes in nika form) amd thats when all his gears come out, gear 2, enhances all the other gears. Gear 3 makes a certain part of his body ginormas, Gear 4 gives the black markings so he looks a little buffer and taller and gains small rings around his shoulders, gear 5, gives him the nika powers and laughter and everything else and finnaly he defeats MX with an all ot blow, and turns back into his normal form, and get unconscious. CREDITS: Dull

I was randomly thinking please don't judge.

[cold maple]

Makes sense

[frigid violet]

My theory about the final war is that it will be a three-sided cot: Luffy and his allies and the revolutinaries vs. Imu and. Blackbeard.

I think someone like Blackbeard could be the one who finds the One Piece. The “man with the burnt scar” might actually be an agent of the World Government. After or during the 2nd timeskip where imu gets done with elbaf , Blackbeard turns Pirate Island into an official nation, which could give him access to insider information about the man with the burnt scar figure. Using that information, he tracks him down, acquires the final Road Poneglyph, and goesto Laugh Tale.

Once hes there, Blackbeard could discover the One Piece, which might be a Mythical Zoan Devil Fruit that once belonged to Davy D. Jones. And the reason Roger couldn’t use it is because it could be that only a true descendant of Davy can awaken or consume it—and that person might be Blackbeard himself. Along with this, he would also learn the full truth about the Void Century and Joy Boy.

Because of his ambitions and nature, Blackbeard would then aim to eliminate Luffy. and how he does that is by temporarily align himself with Imu, using the World Government to defeat joyboy imu would agree knowing how terryifing joyboy is. However, his true plan would be to betray Imu at the end and claim the position of the one true king of the world.

At the same time, Luffy would be moving to stop him, preventing Blackbeard from fully achieving his goal. This leads to a massive three-way war between the Revolutionary Army, Luffy and his allies, and the combined forces of the World Government and Blackbeard.

This scale of conflict supports the idea that Oda mentioned—that the final war will make Marineford look small in comparison due to how massive its going to be.

[tidal vapor]

Peak

[harsh ibex]

only issuee is roger said he was too early, this wouldn't make sense its a time based thing

[frigid violet]

Ye I just thought to share it for fun despite all the inconsistencies

[harsh ibex]

My personal theory is mihawk is the man with the burn scar, a descendent of imu meant to be a vessel but he ended up fleeing for the first and only time in his life. Imu's omen caused him to have a huge burn scar on his back from omen, and I don't recall ever seeing mihawk fully shirtless so it could make sense.

[frigid violet]

Could be also the way he talks is kind of.like IMU and the celestial dragons . a fragment of Imus soul could still be in mihawk

[rain vale]

Same thing can happen with brook, I heard another theory that luffy was dreaming all along, very unlikely to happen tho of course

[frigid violet]

But I don't think mihawk is the man with the burnt scar. Could be shiki tho

[rain vale]

No bruh 😭 😭 😭 the chances of shiki or mihawk being the man with the burnt scar are so low there’s so many reasons why they wouldn’t be him bruh bad theory

[fossil rain]

ya nah bro also wed probs have seen mihawk more if that was the case

[shy bough]

You think the man marked by flames is going to be an important figure or someone not important?

[harsh ibex]

i mean why would he show the man with the burn scar this early

[spring saffron]

Nami is telling the story of the straw hats, we see in water seven first episode it starts off with Nami telling a story almost like a narrator

you can also see something like a book which again masked me believe this theory

[hardy trench]

i don't think that'll be the case, since like, i can't imagine mihawk willingly running around shirtless, but it could be cool

[blissful wraith]

theory - imu is acutlly ussop
proof - when have we seen them togherter never, and imu can like telelport

[runic mist]

sorry but when have we seen usopp like teleport

[frigid violet]

Well that's what I said Mihawk is not the man with the burnt scar
But shiki could still be as he is one of the only chracters from rocks crew who we haven't seen in the anime or manga except for in flashbacks. Also oda stated that he is alive in the land of yano

[cold maple]

I really don't think Blackbeard will be the one to find the one piece

[runic mist]

same... oda wont allow it

[glad osprey]

Yo how important is pudding, she's apart of a fancy tribe + lads got 3 eyes + big mom said she can awaken her power to read poneglyphs + blackbeard touching her hostage

[rain vale]

No it’s neither shiki or mihawk the man with the burnt scar has to be someone actually important like maybe joyboys friend , i actually thought of something about this that the man with the burnt scar is Davy d jones and if not him it’s a cremate of joy boy as we know imu and joyboy are enemies are since we know joyboy lost the war or fight it could be that zunesha and the robot giant maybe betrayed him under a domi reverse? Or failed to protect him, and since joyboy knew he was going to lose he planned to come back 800years later in form of luffy/nikas will there’s a reason the poneglyhs where scattered so that people of this era or the next joyboy (luffy) understand what happened 800 years ago and will finish the job (hopefully, whether it’s killing imu and freeing the slaves or something else) so my prediction is that the man with the burnt scar is a former crewmate of joyboy, maybe a ghost version or a will of the man of the burnt scar in order to guide the man worthy of reaching laugh tale, and it could be possible other people have met him the man with the burnt scar but they where not worthy so he rejected helping them, only helped Roger as he seemed worthy and strong enough to reach the final island

[frigid violet]

Could be also kind of in line with an old theory I had of the one piece being Davy Jones locker but idk

[median comet]

Yeah same even whitebeard said at the marineford

That the man roger is waiting for is definitely not teach

[atomic flicker]

My theory on sanji having conq:

When gaban was looking at zoro he didn't say it looks like another one of you has conq, he said "seems like MORE than one of you have conq" and both zoro and sanji were standing next to each other which could signify that sanji has conq, however, zoro was the one putting outbursts of conq haki, sanji on the other hand did ask gaban, but got a reply "off screen" which left sanji "shocked" (can be seen in a small panel), not happy, not angry, just "shocked" which I believe gaban replied with "I can't sense any sort of haki from you kid" where Obv gaban is wrong cuz sanji has both Obsv and armament but he probably decided to stay silent out of respect for gaban and the situation, however this "no haki" theme would really fit sanji as he's extremely quick and silent with things, such as in water 7 where he secretly got onto the train, or little garden, or alabasta

[brittle zephyr]

I agree I wouldn’t like him having conq haki but I think he’ll make up for it with his body mods he got from germa.

[atomic flicker]

honestly the monster trio just wouldn't feel complete without them having all three forms of haki
Plus he only got an exoskeleton as a modification from Germa

[brittle zephyr]

Ya but almost everyone we’re dealing with has conq rn. Even Yamato has conq haki. I know that the leagues we’re in rn, conq haki is almost a must have to deal with all the enemies but I feel it would be more interesting to have other stuff too. Like how chopper can affect Domi Reversi. Maybe there’s more to the exoskeleton than we know.

I don’t mean it would make him any less stronger than zoro btw I want them both to be equally strong just in different ways.

[atomic flicker]

Honestly you might think everyone has conq haki, but it's actually still VERY few people, it's only the four yonkos and their top commanders, not everyone in the worst generation has conq haki either btw, only a few TOP marines have it, including garp, akainu and a few others

[brittle zephyr]

True… I guess it’s cuz we see more of these characters now

[atomic flicker]

and tbh, the exoskeleton is pretty straightforward, I don't think it adds anything to him except for his defense, altho one thing is that every conquerors haki is "different"
like it's just that not every conq haki seems to be a "dominant" one, like not every person wants to be the "king" or the "best" at something, yet they have conquerors, think of it, why does shanks have conquerors? He neither wants to be the best swordsman nor the king of the pirates, and yet he has conquerors, there's probably more to conquerors haki than we know rn, same thing with gaban and Rayleigh, I believe every conquerors is unique to the individual

[brittle zephyr]

That’s fair, I kinda veered off course from the theory but yes in that manner it makes sense.

[languid crow]

who do you think can get conquerors next in SHS my guess is sanji and he having it makes only sense

as also gaban said that someone else can also use it and it has to be sanji other than him for me dont make sense tbh

[atomic flicker]

Yeah obviously but I have a feeling they'll show loki first with conquerors as he's fighting imu

[languid crow]

what? loki was already using ACoC wasnt it confirmed already gng? ig we need to see him killing harlad it was Conquerors

[atomic flicker]

I dont think he used it? I think harald allowed loki to kill him without requiring haki because haki is only required when you're killing someone inside a domi reversi
However I do feel like it's kinda an open secret that he already has adv coq
Cause why would he fight imu without it

[languid crow]

are we serious dude???? this dont make any sense but sure

[languid crow]

man he is also same as the other Gods knight he is immortal,have regen,increased strenght due to the contract idts

[vapid dock]

Im very obsesed about the void century, im thinking too much about it and i got a thought about zunesha's crime, we saw him "disappearing" when momonosuke said him that he didnt want to open wano for the moment, one thing we saw about zunesha is that he takes water from the sea to give him a "bath", also the wano closed has water over itself as we see in the first pic (i mean that both have wster over them).
We see here that the kozuki's family has some details on their symbol, the shield has the same big point with other points around it and hes holding an item that could be a sword, wano is known by a country with good swordsman, and the nika's shield of the third's pic has that cross that lookis like the cross around the kozuki's family, and looks like the kozuki's family is the family that can listen and talk to zunesha, luffy han hear it but he cant talk to him, roger also could hear it as we saw when he and oden where in the gyojin island with sea monsters but he cant talk to them, shirahoshi is the " chosen" one to talk to the sea monsters, the minks are living over zunesha, lots of them are fighting using swords, they have the shulong transformstion when they look to the moon, we dont know since when they are living on zunesha, when we saw emet's flashback with joy boy we saw that joy boy looks that he is on a building in a tall place, maybe they where over zunesha, we know that zunesha was probably a joy boy's friend, so according to all this i thought something:
-Zunesha is the representation of the closed wano
-The people living in that "ancient" wano where humans and minks and minks went to live over zunesha
-Joy boy was from wano
-Zunesha got a domi reversi but joy boy tried to "counter" it but he wasnt succesful so now zunesha is like a "zombie" as we saw, his "crime" was to dont help joy boy since he has a "half dead"
Idk if i could say something else ans maybe you think this is stupid but i was just thinking about this

[languid crow]

zunesha might have got domi reversi'd imo

[vapid dock]

Yep thats what i meant in the last point

[languid crow]

man void century flashback is gonna be fire when that happens

[vapid dock]

Ik bro its going to be my fav part of my life

[frigid violet]

Why does Mihawk imu zunshia big mom all have ringed eyes. Could it be they are all cursed for example the second IMU arrives at elbaf bloods starts dripping from its almost like he isn't allowed to be outside of marijoese him and we know zuneshia is cursed and must walk and can't act unless given authority bigmom has unctrollable hunger tantrums when she stops getting food. But we haven't really seen much of mihawk but from what we did see is that he is Alone most of the time which could also be a curse.

[languid crow]

no no no thats the way ODA draw eyes imo
but mihawk might be related cuz he red eyes

[frigid violet]

Just saying it's a coincidence all 4 of these characters have ringed eyes and kind of look like they have something wrong with them whether its a curse or something else.

[languid crow]

curse? hmm intresting man! and none have will of D too

[vapid dock]

Armor haki does black swords so maybe using obv haki makes eyes changing

[stone cairn]

Yeah

[frigid violet]

Shanks and katakuri both have really strong observation haki yet their eyes don't look like that

[vapid dock]

I think katakuri lowk yes

[frigid violet]

But katakuris eye ringed are less noticble therefore his curse is weaker which is why even tho he eats a lot its less than big mom

Also could be that the curse is passed down from big mom idk

[vapid dock]

Well yes

[chilly coral]

I would say then why didn't the rest of her children didn't get it but that can js be summed up to him being the strongest or sum

[frigid violet]

Maybe it had to be activated with anger for katakuris case he got angry about those guys hurting his sister which is how he inherited it.

Or is the only one in the family with it

[atomic flicker]

Man idk how to say it in words but like harald was in his conscious mind when loki killed him and not under imu's control so that's why maybe loki killed harald without req conq haki, either way, he hasn't said it himself yet but as I said it's an open secret

[languid crow]

no bro idts tbh but yh sure

[mighty galleon]

Why didnt Imu make Zunesha eat that poneglyph if DR

[languid crow]

gng IMU couldnt find it if he could he would have preserved it and ROGER would have never seen it WG dont know place of any ponelgyphs dude even ohara one was discovered because of years of mointoring

[frigid violet]

Would also like to point out hakuba also has ringed eyes when he's half and half with cavendish

[languid crow]

THEORY ABOUT WHIRLPOOL AND MAN MARKED BY FLAMES
i think the whirlpool ability have to be babell and sunbell from rocks/roger pirates and they can be the man marked by flames
they can swim in circular path to create whirlpool like avg comic logic
and they might have been captured by CD and got flames marks but escaped had flame marks all over the body when the crew disbanded roger gave them the reposnibilty to save it till the chosen one comes!

(image for refrence who sunbell and babell are)

i also think when they were caught by gods knight they were taken to mariejoes where they were treated as slaves tried to get the marks by resisted got burn marks and later went to protect it again

lemme know in which parts you disagree

[frigid violet]

I think it could be just the guy from rogers crew and roger trusted him with the last poneglyph so he can keep it safe until joyboy arrives

[languid crow]

isnt elbafh one last road ponelgyph?

[remote idol]

Doesnt the man marked by flamed have the last one

[languid crow]

yh he might be on elbafh or lodestar they are just preotecting it from WG/god knights/IMU

[remote idol]

Id say lodestar. I doubt we Will get 3 reveals in elbaph.
|| Rocks. Imu and now Him? ||

I do wonder what flamed is he marked from.

[languid crow]

loki,rocks and imu

loki,rocks and imu shilloutte were already shown

[remote idol]

Oh yeah right, i forgot Loki was first shown in thriller bark i think?

[lone hedge]

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[frigid violet]

He could be in heaven realm

[rain vale]

Yeah but that wouldn’t match why an earn would the man marked by flames by a part of their crew, like I said numerous times it has to be someone actually important not just a random crew member from Roger’s crew

[languid crow]

man idts ODA introduced the slaves mark in FMI to make fisher tiger bck story imp it has to be important in further plot and it f you think its someone important and not a crew member from roger crew(pirate king)

name someone who you think can be MAN MARKED BY FLAMES

[rain vale]

a crew mate of joyboy? Someone that’s actually important

[languid crow]

crew member of joyboy would be great but i will lean more towards roger crew mate but i dont disgaree

[lapis lily]

emeth,nefertari d lily

[languid crow]

lilly has to be dead
emmet literally died but he might come bck

[tidal vapor]

So omen seems to be the opposite will of haki
So it should also be 3 types of it
1.Armament Omen=Attack power boost, Expand the body, Shoot black flame, Create a shield
2.Observation Omen=Sense Evil creatures , Future sight, Explore
3.Conqueror Omen=Just like conqueror haki

[cold maple]

I thought that it was just Imu's devil fruit?

[tidal vapor]

There's a theory that omen is an opposite power of haki

[cold maple]

Ic

[cold maple]

But didn't we see him use conquerors haki?

And it can't be conquerors omen since the colour of conquerors haki is still the same as other conqueror haki users

[tidal vapor]

You make sense.
So maybe there're no conqueror omen

[rough storm]

i think omen is an upgrade version of advance haki. whille haki you can only affect you and what you are weilding, then omen is probably where you can use it to give others to use ur haki. i think joyboy knot haki was him using omen conquerors haki to store it inside the knot.

so omen is probably the final tier of haki. basic haki, advance haki, then omen haki.

[rough storm]

reason why i said its not the opposite because we saw the elders and godknight use normal haki and none of them know how to use omen haki even tho they are evil.

[tidal vapor]

Hmm interesting

[cold maple]

This could be true

[frigid violet]

Maybe IMU has evil haki and joyboy has good haki

[versed wing]

Okay chat why do i feel like enel would actually return to one piece from the moon or sum and do this epic void century reveal or say about how the skypieans , lunarians and all came or he brings some op army like we saw in the cover page

[frail lava]

I feel like Loki is a beast that Imu is gonna tame and end the Strawhats. Idk why we all think that Luffy will be king of the pirates. What guarantees is it that will happen and not end in tragedy? My prediction (hopefully I'm wrong): Imu will win and Oda is gonna make us all cry like he did with Marineford arc. Luffy will probably go out the same way Joyboy did.

[west wave]

If this ain’t the dumbest fucking thing I’ve read all year. Hope it’s bait and sarcasm

[frail lava]

You're right, Usopp will be king of the pirates. Mb. Luffy will just pass away from high cholestrol.

[frigid violet]

Urouge theory: when the giant pirates later arrived at elbaf they arrived through something called the sun stone painter a cube shaped rock and if you look at urouges picture as a child in one piece volume 63 in the sbs oda drew the worst generation members one of them was urouge and in that picture urouge was holding a rock that is shaped simillar to the sun stone painter also urouge has simillar traits as skypeans and birkans as a child he could be half and half and the way his parents met is possibly by 1 of them using the sun stone painter gan fall also mentions that theres another method of going to skypea called island hopping . i also like to think that he can figure out or read the contents of poneglyphs and during whats taking place in elbaf he could have traveled to skypea using the sun stone painter and there he reads the poneglyph in the golden city and that poneglyph might contain the information about the ancient civilization enel reached he could be interested and tries going there using the sun stone painter there he meets enel and the ancient civilzation enel makes him use the sun stone painter once more to get back to the earth with his army and maybe make his own kingdom again with the power he currently.

He's the only supernova that hasn't been really explained

[tidal vapor]

So there's gonna be the urouge&enel duo🔥🔥🔥

[frigid violet]

Hope so

[glacial pendant]

I actually fw this urouge x enel thing heavy

[runic mist]

dude i think u forgot about luffys plot armour, and oda has been giving hints that loki is gonna team up with luffy and potentially will be part of the straw hat alliance, and just saying... luffy might awaken his final form (gear 6) and he gains the power to fight and defeat imu, maybe by defeating imu he wont use ability's he'll use joy/freedom abilitys, and since imu is corruption luffy will use joy and freedom do kill the corruption in imu, and maybe, just maybe... imu will join the straw hat alliance idk maybe... if he turns good.

[sour pier]

yo here is a midnight theory...

Roger Found HALF the Treasure & Why Imu Needs Luffy Alive

1. Elbaph Defeat & Gaban
   Imu is currently wrecking Elbaph, and the Straw Hats are hopelessly outmatched. Just in time, Scopper Gaban steps in to hold the line, telling a defeated Luffy to escape and regroup with Shanks.

2. The Truth & The "Half" Treasure
   Luffy meets Shanks (who just returned from Laugh Tale), and they retreat to a hidden island like Amazon Lily. Shanks drops the ultimate lore bomb: the story Roger laughed at was only half the truth. Roger laughed because the real One Piece is locked, and only the Sun God can open it. Roger was "too early" because he didn't have the key.

3. The Joy Boy / Imu Betrayal
   Joy Boy and Imu were friends during the Void Century but secretly plotted against each other. Joy Boy locked the real treasure so only his reincarnation could claim it. Imu has waited 800 years for the Sun God to open the gates so he can finally steal it. This is exactly why Imu hasn't obliterated Luffy yet—Imu needs the key alive.

4. Red Hair x Straw Hat Training Arc
   Realizing they can't beat Imu in their current state, the Straw Hats train under the Red Hair Pirates:

Usopp: Masters Future Sight with Yasopp.

Sanji: Unlocks Conqueror's Haki; Germa strength multiplies by 10x.

Zoro: Turns all 3 swords into Supreme Grade Black Blades permanently coated in Conqueror's.

Luffy: Achieves unlimited Gear 5 stamina; his Conqueror's Haki finally surpasses Shanks.

The Straw Hats ascend to a flawless 10/10 Yonko crew, kicking off the true final voyage and the ultimate endgame war!

TL;DR: Roger only found half the One Piece. The rest is locked and needs Luffy (Sun God) as the key. Imu needs Luffy alive to open it. After taking a major loss to Imu in Elbaph, Gaban sends Luffy to Shanks for the ultimate Yonko training arc.

[smoky forum]

Nefertari vivi and the rain god protocol
the skypiea foundation
to understand the Rain God, we have to go back to skypiea the shandia mentioned four gods
If nika represents freedom the rain god represents life and mercy in one piece weather is often tied to will luffys haki clears the clouds but vivis desperation summons the storm
the lili connection the secret of the 20 founders
why did nefertari D. lili refuse to become a celestial dragon
the theory: the other 19 founders wanted to rule above the world the heavens lili possessing the power of the rain god realized her power belonged to the soil and the people
the sin imu mentions a mistake lili made regarding the loneglyphs what if that mistake wasnt just scattering the stones but ensuring the rain bod bloodline stayed on the blue planet to eventually assist the sun god in the final war
the weapon vs the god
there is a long standing theory that vivi is pluton however we know pluton is a ship buried under wano.
the correction vivi isnt the weapon she is the counter balance
the logic if the ancient weapon pluton can level an entire island in one shot destruction the rain god is the power of restoration in the rain alabasta(when vivi screams stop fighting and then rain started) didnt just provide water it literally washed away the bloodlust and the sand
imus great cleansing
why did imu keep vivis photo intact while shredding luffys and blackbeards?
luffy/blackbeard they are enemies to be destroyed
vivi she is a power to be reclaimed
imu lives in the Room of flowers a lush green garden in a world of stone imu might be using a pale imitation of the forest god or earth god powers but they lack the rain (vivi) to make the world truly bloom imu needs the nefertari bloodline to maintain the mother flame or the worlds ecological balance
the dawn and the rain
the dawn of the world is the sun (luffy) brings the light so people can see the truth
the rain (vivi) washes away the dust of the earth world governments lies and

[smoky forum]

heals the scars of the 800 year war

[humble oyster]

A man stuck inside of a box, calling himself god.
Remove him from his box, removes his identity.
Seeking to protect his world, his "animals."
Who was seeking treasure that was never there.

[arctic blaze]

That’s a good one

I think lufffy is gonna fight with imu and they will have a great battle and he may be the reason why she will have retreat. Plus i don’t think she can be outside of castle for a long time

[frail lava]

I think One Piece could be adapted into One Piece next generations after the final war and we get to see Luffy's son. Just like Boruto. Ofc Luffy needs to beat Imu for that to happen and BB.

[rain vale]

I like this but a big flaw is saying that the strawhats can escape, and that an old and injured scopper gaban can hold imu off even tho zoro and sanji got one shot by him + I don’t think shanks is able to reach laugh tale or would’ve went to laugh tale after all luffy is gonna become king not shanks

[harsh ibex]

I have a theory that dragon consumed the uo uo no mi model shenlong. The shenlong dragon is basically this dragon in chinese mythology which can control the rain, clouds, and wind so it would be really fitting for him. Also it came with a bolt of lightning that saved luffy. And why shenlong specifically? Well it's green like dragon

[slender sentinel]

maybe bro

[limpid mason]

i just learner that there is something called kuru disease, people get it when they eat human brain because theres a protein called a prion that lives in you until your old age when u eventually suddenly start laughing and uncontrollable head shacking

what i first thought of was ofc the smile fruit, so one of the ingredients to create a smile fruit might be human brain
maybe thers other things that can help with this thoery but im just pointing it out so if anyone can find somehting to help backup this claim

[tidal vapor]

Match up for the final war
Imu vs Luffy: Devil vs God
Shanks vs Garling: Son vs bad father
Mihawk vs Zoro: Teacher vs Student
Sabo vs Akainu: Will of ace vs the one who kill ace
Borsalino vs Sanji: Light vs Love

[tidal vapor]

@glossy parrot
How

[glossy parrot]

light vs love is frying me

[glad osprey]

Oh hell nah, yk I'd crash the empire state building if that was true, I care about Luffy, not his bitchass son, if it were like this, it would result in the same output as naruto

[near hinge]

The one piece is a theater piece. This piece made roger laugh. Joyboy wrote the piece. Lili was an actress of this piece and, in the piece, lili was in love with joyboy (romance dawn?). Imu was jealous so decided to erase all evidence of this piece. There was a copy of this piece in ohara.
There is also one in laugh tale but imu does not have acces to the island somehow. The piece is, indeed, a laugh tale.
When newgate said before dying "the one piece is real", he meant that the piece is based on a true story. This story happened during the void century. People who has a D in their name are progeny of the original actors. Roger said he came too early because the piece will be replayed soon. Newgate said to teach that he is not the man roger is waiting for, meaning Davy was not the main actor (joyboy) of the piece. Teach knows something about the piece so he wants to find the main actress (but he does not know who she was) so he went for bonney as well as for hancock. The 5 gears are a subtle reference to the 5 acts of the piece. Idk what i'm saying i just let my fingers tap something lol

[broken gale]

Borsalino is good guy now

[glad osprey]

Thats a good theory but 75% of the one piece community would crash out

[broken gale]

you fingers are on fyre

[toxic sierra]

U Could be cooking

[frigid violet]

What other content is there after the final war

[iron current]

!theories

[lone hedge]

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[grizzled spoke]

Blackbeard is a fusion created by the previous user of Wapol’s fruit.
It may sound ridiculous, but it could explain why he visited Drum Kingdom, how he “never sleeps,” and how he can wield multiple Devil Fruits.
In a non-canon movie, Wapol fused with his brother, who was also a Devil Fruit user, giving the fusion access to both the Spore-Spore Fruit and the Munch-Munch Fruit at the same time.
Even though it’s non-canon, I still think the concept holds weight. If Oda has already played with the idea of Wapol-style fusion allowing two Devil Fruit powers in one fused body, then Blackbeard being a permanent fusion could explain why his body breaks the normal rules.

[frail lava]

Borsalino might die in the final war if he turns good and joins Luffy. Like when was the last time a cool side character character who was evil but later turns good goes into a final war and actually survives? I'm predicting that Borsalino will sacrifice himself if Luffy ever faces Imu. Kuzan seems to be the same, he'll sacrifice himself when trying to save Garp but ofc there has to be a motivator for Kuzan's case apart from guilt or remorse. We all saw Kuzan having second thoughts when he froze Garp and still worried about him in Elbalf arc. Borsalino and Kuzan are similar in that sense. They both regret what they did, they have good chances of turning good and aiding Luffy or Shanks or Dragon etc. Unfortunately for both of them, I don't think they're gonna survive. We haven't had a major death since Ace (or Vegapunk if u wanna argue for him). So I think we're in for another major upset with Kuzan and Borsalino. Imo I think BB will kill Kuzan and we see how powerful BB actually is that sets up the tensions for Luffy vs BB. Borsalino might get killed by Imu or Akainu.

[frail lava]

Idk, maybe some company like Disney or similar wants to have One Piece for their own? Maybe Oda's friends want to do additional content for One Piece? I mean it wouldn't be the first time where an adored anime like One Piece gets a sequel. Just look at how Naruto got a sequel (Boruto). The only thing I can think of is a mini sequel with Luffy's child wanting to be king of the pirates so he sets off his own adventure and we either get a beautiful ending there and actually get so see Luffy being happy that he has everything OR we get another "somehow Imu returned" twist.

[grizzled spoke]

Pretty sure Oda is setting it up where the whole navy will turn against the world government, including akainu. I'd also guess ryokugyu or whatever tf his name is dies probably by cross guild

[frail lava]

Imagine if Imu decides to blitz the entire navy. I would pay good money to see that and Imu's other powers he hasn't show. We might see someone like Mihawk or another big name working for Imu (non voluntary).

[frigid violet]

Really hope not ngl

A cool spinoff would be tsuru sengoku garp spinoff or maybe a dragon one

[tidal vapor]

Borsalino and kuzan dead
Would be one of the unique moment

[sour onyx]

Borsalino is confirmed dying after killing Vegapunk.

What if the prize on laugh tale is the og mother flame, but it makes everyone that comes near it sick (Roger, Imu, etc) and Luffy eats it and that triggers a sun god form.

[solemn sable]

Thinking about it, I believe it would be a good idea to review non-canonical concepts and see which ones might become true in the manga in the future. It has happened before that one or another idea introduced in a non-canonical One Piece work ends up appearing in the manga in some way. The examples I remember would be:

• The Voice of All Things was introduced in the manga in 2011 but was mentioned in 2008. However, Luffy demonstrated a similar ability when he communicated with Ryu, a dragon that does not speak human languages; this was in the Warship Island filler arc in 2001, much earlier than the manga.
• Non-canonical Logia-type Devil Fruits don't follow the theme of controlling, generating, and transforming their user into a natural element, as they grant their user power over a man-made element (generic liquid, paper, and caramel syrup, respectively). However, in 2017, the Mochi Mochi no Mi, Katakuri's "Special Paramecia" type Devil Fruit, was introduced in the manga, granting him Logia-type powers over a man-made element: mochi.
• The Goe Goe no Mi is a non-canon Devil Fruit used by Eldoraggo in the first One Piece movie from 2000, which allows him to generate beams of sound from his mouth that resemble energy rays. This power is very similar to that of Gab from the Red Hair Pirates, who can generate air blades from his mouth; furthermore, Gab bears a certain resemblance to Eldoraggo.

Going a little further, some characters like Gill Bastar and Ryuma advanced into the One Piece canon despite originating from works unrelated to the manga (except for Ryuma, whose work "Monsters" was later canonized by Oda, as revealed in the SBS of volume 47). So another starting point could be Oda's earlier works, given the possibility of recycling characters from his manga prior to One Piece.

[rough storm]

i see that happening actually him redeeming himself by sacrificing his life to save the strawhat maybe or one of the vgapunk.

[glad osprey]

Alright its completely clear joyboy was defeated. And i think its cuz of imus ability of turning entities evil. She used that to make zunesha and the robot evil and attack joyboy + they apologised. Also in whole cake, there's a flash back of like mother caramel saying, the sun God dies out but then comes back up or smth like that, that rising back up is luffy, he is a vessel or some sh idk

[tidal vapor]

But this time Luffy has chopper
Who could cure domi reversi

[dense jackal]

Yeah, what was up with that? Think the human-human fruit can restore a person's "humanity" or something?

[onyx needle]

i think the will of D stands for death cuz most of the people with D who are import die or looks like there ganna die maybe im worng this just popped in my mind one day

[tidal vapor]

Something like that

[rocky salmon]

Yo hear me out, the One Piece is actually, a giant poneglyph with Nikas Spear and Shield buried before it. The poneglyph is massive because it was enlarged by Gum Gum powers. And on that poneglyph is the truth of the world. Idk seems cool.

[crisp berry]

Its very likely that these r the actual lineups, what abt blackbeard tho

[tidal vapor]

Waited for the right moment to offscreen one of them.

[crisp berry]

Ye prolly waiting for the fighting to get to its end, finish off a very weakened imu (maybe eat his devil fruit or give it to som1 elsel🤷‍♂️)& inherit his role as the main opps.

[frigid violet]

He joins IMU and when IMU is weak betrays.him eats the fruit fights joyboys faction

[tidal vapor]

And then Luffy unlocked gear 6
The true power of sun god
Even Joyboy never reached🔥

[rough bridge]

2. Consanguineous Marriages of the First Twenty: Mary Geoise is built on the political and genetic preservation of the 20 founding families. Historically, absolute monarchies preserve their right to rule through consanguineous marriages (marriages between blood relatives). Oda meticulously bases the World Government on the Holy Roman Empire and European absolute monarchies, where inter-dynastic marriages were treaties.

If Nefertari Lili and the original head of the Nerona family were siblings (or cousins), and Lili took the Empty Throne while her sibling governed the Nerona estate, their bloodlines would be permanently intertwined. The Nefertari family's refusal to become Celestial Dragons was not a defection from the political structure, but a tactical bifurcation. The Nerona Branch remained in Mary Geoise to control the military and political hegemony (Gorosei, Holy Knights). The Nefertari Branch returned to the surface to guard the Pluton and maintain the allegiance of the ancient nations, ensuring the WG's terrestrial control.

3. The Right to the Empty Throne and Vivi’s Status: Why is Vivi specifically targeted by the Five Elders and Imu during the Reverie? The official reason is that she learned Sabo was at the Empty Throne. However, Wapol, who also saw Imu, was merely chased. Vivi, however, warrants the direct, focused hostility of the supreme sovereign. In monarchies, a ruler is only legitimized by their blood. Imu’s authority rests on the Nerona name and the claim to the Empty Throne. However, if the Nefertari blood is the original key to the Empty Throne (via Lili), then Vivi has a direct, legal, and genetic claim to the throne. Imu targets Vivi not just to silence a witness, but to eliminate a rival claimant.

4. The Secret "D." and the Lunar Connection: The final, most damning piece of evidence ties into the hidden meaning of the "Will of D." and the moon. "Nerona" is derived from Nero (black/water) and is intrinsically linked to lunar deities. The Nefertari name also holds a lunar connection: "Nefertari" translates to "The Most Beautiful of the Two Lands," but in the context of ancient Egyptian theology (which Alabasta mirrors), it is heavily tied to Isis, the goddess of the moon and magic.

Furthermore, the "D." is widely theorized to stand for Dawn or Devil, but in a genetic sense, it represents the race of the Great Kingdom. If Lili was a "D." (as implied by her refusal to become a Celestial Dragon and Cobra's secret suspicion), then the Nefertari blood carries the "D." gene. If Imu shares Lili's blood, then Imu is a "D." who betrayed his own people. This explains the World Government's extreme paranoia about the "D." Imu is not eradicating the "D." because they are an alien threat; Imu is eradicating the "D." to eliminate relatives who might expose that the sovereign of the world is genetically part of the very race they outlawed. Vivi, as a latent carrier of this blood, is a walking existential threat to the World Government's foundational lie.

[sour pier]

No shanks knows only Luffy can become the pirate king... Noone else can, even rodger was not pirate king... He started the great pirate era to finally arise the real pirate king (the sun god ) ... And shanks is helping rodger do that...(It's from that part when rodger told shanks something but none of know what it was)

[rain vale]

yes but i dont think the pirate king really means something its just a title (that people came up with for the person he reached the last island/one piece -) luffy destiny is to become the sun god not pirate king, he was just inspired by roger the become the king since being the king of the pirates means your the most free and thats what luffys beliefs align with (since hes the sungod - being free is what he wants etc) so your wrong, anyone can become the pirate king as long as they reach the last island the world will call them the pirate king like roger, but only luffy can become the true sun god according to the ancient texts -

[rain vale]

your right about roger telling shanks something for sure (since he changed his mind in become the king) i think shanks knows what was the one piece is (the crew mustve told him), why else would he hunt the nika fruit? why did shanks attack a whole navy ship for just a rubber fruit? almost like he knew that joyboy will return and it was shanks responsibility to help him return (why else would roger give his strawhat to shanks almost like he told shanks to guide and help joyboy/luffy to reach the island) and that nothing happens to him - thats why he gave his straw hat to luffy after he ate the fruit and why he helped him at marineford and wano almost like hes guiding him/joyboy reach the one piece -

[rain vale]

i think there's a theory going around that shanks was going to feed the fruit the ace - (and help him become the next king) thats why he was on foosha village 🤷‍♀️

[primal prism]

But wouldn’t shanks find the one piece

[cold maple]

Roger was already sick before reaching laugh tale

[steady prism]

When you say

Crucially, Cobra notes that the signature on the letter was not “Nefertari Lili,” but rather a hastily scrawled “Mu”
Is this something you observed in the original japanese in ch1084-1085? I ask because in Viz, Cobra’s retelling of Lili’s letter ended with her signing her name “—Nefeltari D. Lily”

[runic mist]

Theory: What happens if the will of d was a person with d in there name and they were the killer of gods or something like that, and the world government, and celestial dragons hate people with d in there names because maybe in the void century the person with d in there name used to kill the corrupted kings, and since the corrupted kings were corrupted amd evil they had hatred towards the people with the name d and people like the world goverment have scrolls and ancient books that have info about the people with the will of d, well something like that, and nefatri d lily, since she has a d in her name she also was kinda hated, then she made some poneglyhs about the will of d and the first person with d in there name, and scattered them in the hardest places for someone to find, and the world gvm want it to find a way to vanquish the will of d forever.

Don't Judge My Theory Plz

[primal prism]

What if that the “D” in names mean dominance and that Joyboy and Imu are related

[high briar]

I have a theory about Usopp. I think that Killingham or maybe Imu through Killingham ability might activate some power that would parallel Sugar’s abilities. It would make Usopp’s worst nightmare real. His worst nightmare would actually be that Luffy doesn’t exist and that he is the captain of the strawhat pirates. Usopp will then re-live all the events of the elbaph arc but he will be the main character. He will have to escape Road’s world by himself. He will meet Loki. He will save Dory and Broggy. And he will find a solution to escape this fake world and make Luffy real again.

[steady prism]

@graceful canopy please remove your Naruto references friend

All manga channels are strictly for OP

[graceful canopy]

sorry :((

[tulip rune]

I have concrete threads that connect, making a bigger picture, but I can't parse out a theory if anyone wants to hypothesize with me:

• There seems to be an obsession with anything ancient being tied to Aztec motifs like Shandora and the moon (the Sabaody auction house is an outlier currently but that may have lore implications)
• Since Aztec motifs are established for ancient lore in OP, the introduction of Gear 5 meant a different sun god for different ages was on the table as Aztec creation stories have that, including the Teteo (god or goddess being the closest translation) of war, Huitzilopochtli
• Imu having an attack with Tzitzimitl in the name (now removed possibly because it revealed a lot of lore) is the Teteo of stars
• The Nahuatl glyph for star looks like a pokeball/half-closed eyes which MAY be the design influence of Imu's halo

I love the representation but don't know why ancient lore has such a strong emphasis but it's not coincidence and most of these points have concrete connection but they're so heavily underanalyzed

[steady prism]

!theories @violet spoke @drifting cargo this channel’s for longer theories with evidence/reasoning. Please use #manga or #manga-serious for brief ideas like that

[lone hedge]

Please refrain from using manga-theories for joke theories, casual chit-chat, power scaling, bounty predictions or low-effort memes. This channel is for serious discussion- please read the channel description. Posts here must be in paragraph form, preferably with evidence, not just a one line open question.

[half python]

theory: the last poneglyph

• the last poneglyph is in the hand of the world government and on elbaph at the same time.
  when harald was king and became holy knight they surely couldnt trust him fully, so to keep an eye on him, they sent holy knight biblio to reside in elbaph and become a big part of it.
• theory: biblio is a traitor and was sent to elbaph to keep an eye on harald, and to protect the last poneglyph, which i suppose would be in the secret room of the library, this would explain why the WG is never worried about the pirates getting the first 3 poneglyphs, because they got the 4th in their hand, and this would also explain on why the WG has so much info on the straw hat being rn in elbaph and all the giants in elbaph overall. THERE HAS TO BE A SPY, AND WHAT BETTER ONE TO BE THAN THIS SUSPICIOUS OWL.
  (and they never really cared about the recovered book of ohara bc the spy owl got that covered)
  (nvm i was proven wrong but ill keep it here just in case)

[brisk jay]

an alternative translation, given the ambiguity of Harley texts

The Earth¹ was in flames (of willpower?)²
Man lost himself in Greed [curiously the same kanji for York]
He touched the Sun, what was a taboo⁴
The Sinners offered a prayer
The Sun-God appeared
The God of the Earth/Domain⁶ fell into a rage
The Serpent of the Flames ( of Karma)⁷ along with him
They shrouded the World in Death and Darkness
And they could never meet again.

「第一世界」
地・に・炎・あり
人・は・欲望・に・負け
禁断・の・太陽・に・触れた
愚人・は・願い
[太陽の神]・は・現れた
地の神・は・怒り
業炎の蛇・と共・に・
世界・を・死・と・闇で包んだ
彼ら・は・もう・会えないのだ

[steady prism]

!theories @gritty comet this channel is for long form theories, not short overt comments like that or joke ideas. Please read the channel’s description

[lone hedge]

Please refrain from using manga-theories for joke theories, casual chit-chat, power scaling, bounty predictions or low-effort memes. This channel is for serious discussion- please read the channel description. Posts here must be in paragraph form, preferably with evidence, not just a one line open question.

[weak wadi]

I am pretty sure blackbeard is going to show up in elbaf to take a final fruit which he is missing a zoan. There are 3 candidates, but luffy probably aint one of them. He is either going to take lokis or imus fruit. Without a god fruit he wont be the final antagonist so I feel like it has to happen. Blackbeard is literally on the island next to elbaf so it wouldn't be a surprise for him to show up. Also if blackbeard really wants to fufill Davy D. Xebec's ambitions he must become the king of the world meaning potentially taking Imus fruit.

I believe that Blackbeard knew he needed the yomi yomi no mi to counter imu. Imu's powers being sealed will have a major impact not only on his self, but also his ability to get away (maybe his long life) and the god knights. It's a revenge story. Imu killed his father and he will kill Imu and take his powers.

[runic mist]

Random theory: What happens if Rocks D xebec dad is imu, and rocks excaped from imu then when he came bacm imu saw him and dom reversed him to a demon becuase he saw that he was strong now, and he would finnaly obey imu.

Maybe....
Just Maybe....

[fervent beacon]

very random strange ass theory: BB needs another devil fruit so there is a link between his collected devil fruits 1) yami yami no me is darkness and 2) gura gura no mi creates vibrations the link is in darkness where eye dont work our body depends on vibrations like sound so if there is any connection teach is finding to counter he needs ope ope no mi of law because his “ROOM” creates a separated space almost like a pocket void where normal reality bends. in room he can use darkness and attack using vibrations correct me if i am wrong?

[silk flicker]

Has anyone talked about how each god has their own song when they appear and that together they may create a singular song in harmony?
(Possibly the OP or something to do with it)
I can add a ton more here I just wanted to discuss the idea

[rough storm]

i just realize. were the elders not even in full power when they fought luffy because they didnt get imus omen?

[half python]

theory:
i believe Imu's immortality powers on the elders, act similar to Sugar fruit (sugar from dressrosa which turns people into toys).
reminder: when sugar passed out due to Usopp the bum scaring her (only feat in the whole serie btw), her fruit powers stopped for some time, which undid all toy transformation she made.
Now lets cut back to Imu, so we can assume that all what Imu achieved with his devil fruit would be undone if someone knocks him out. BUT, we have 2 issues here, first obviously no one right now is close to outpowering Imu and knocking him out, and second, we cant be sure that devil fruit power connections would be cut by him just passing out, (hes crazy strong afterall).
So this leaves us with only 1 option;
WHICH is, stopping Imu devil fruit power directly, (well you may say "yea duh Mr obvious"), and i will tell you naa duh you're not unto what im thinking...BLACKBEARD, yes you may have forget the special passive of his devil fruit (that oda certainly didnt give for this exact scenario ), yeaaa when blackbeard touches IMU, the devil fruit power is nullified for the moment in contact, now you may sayy yea and what now, that BB getting bodied by Imu (well he will obviously be with van auger he will dip instantly), BUT THAT BRIEF MOMENT, took out 3 out of the 5 old bastards in the pangea castle ... AS THEY SAY, AGES CATCHES FAST..
WARCURY DOWN, MARS DOWN, NOSJURO DOWN, this leaves us with an old Jupiter, and almost same age Garling. AND NOW PERFECT TIME FOR DRAGON OR BB TO MAKE A MOVE ON THOSE CELESTIAL BASTARDS

[rough bridge]

yes

[hearty bloom]

The biorhythm, mentioned in the first opening

[zealous kite]

Any theories about why CHOPPER can nullify demons?

[last estuary]

He slapped the humanity back into them, causing them to revert back i.e. human human fruit.

[grand comet]

I just realized that Zolo having a rumble ball lowkey makes sense.
Chopper ate the Human-Human fruit, the genes he needed to interact with are human genes in order to modify his DF, and the wavelenghts as explained before too.
Chopper wasn't modifying DF lineage factor, nor reindeer lineage factor.
He was playing with Human lineage factor in a tenporary applicable way that has increased ability for control overtime, whether he knew it or not.

A lot of what he did with the Rumble was explained in the manga already, and Vegapunk's explanations helped too, but Vegapunk was actually modifying the lineage factor of the fruits not of living beings and esp not of humans even though he did create seraphim.

[regal gorge]

Chopper also got that super healing meds from the Zou doctors to help Zoro recover before his fight with King during Wano so I would imagine between that and Egghead Chopper would have made some temporary heal/boost for the crew when desperate

[smoky forum]

Think about why the world nobles wear those suits we always thought it was because they didnt want to breathe the same air as commoners but 1182 basically confirmed its a phobia of the natural world if the celestial dragons are so terrified of rain that its literally their childhood boogeyman then the red line isnt a throne its a lifeboat imu isnt ruling the world imu is hiding from it
the connection to lokis weapon ragnir having the ratatoskr fruit is the key here In mythology ratatoskr is the messenger that runs up and down the world tree yggdrasil carrying insults between the eagle at the top and the serpent nidhogg at the bottom imu specifically calling the nidhogg presence a traitor suggests that the giints were originally the jailers or the bridge that kept imus people isolated.
the theory is this the one piece is likely a mechanism to trigger the great rain a global weather event that zaza represents this rain isnt just water its the literal will of the sea coming down to reclaim the land this is why the world government is obsessed with the mother flame and the ancient weapons they need an artificial sun to keep the rain god at bay
the most underrated part of the chapter is robin and saul finding those hidden books in the owl library biblo didnt just save history he saved the meteorology of the void century if the world was originally a series of connected continents and not islands it was the rain god possibly an ancient user of the fruit killingham is mimicking who flooded the world to trap imus faction on the only high ground left the red line
imus tzitzimitl technique which looks like a skeletal goddess of stars proves that imus power is celestial extra terrestrial in nature the rain god zaza is the earths natural immune system the reason why dragon is the worlds most wanted man isnt just because he leads a rebel army its because he likely possesses the lineage or the fruit of the rain god he is the only person who can summon the one thing the gods of

mary geoise are psychologically incapable of facing
when zoro and sanji face off against sommers and killingham in the next few chapters they arent just fighting holy knights they are fighting the physical embodiment of the world governments fear of nature itself luffy being the sun god nika doesnt mean hes imus opposite it means hes the dawn that comes after the rain god washes the slate clean

[fierce thorn]

3 brothers 3 worlds.
So I've had this thought that the 3 brothers Ace, Sabo and Luffy are all represented in the Harley text as the 3 worlds. (Not that they are the 3 worlds simply their story/characters were inspired by them)

Take the first world for example, it was a world covered in flames and ended in death and destruction, this would sum up Ace's life a character covered in flames who died at marineford which was filled with death and destruction.

Then the second world is where the fires of war are spread this pretty much sums up Sabo's role, he's the Flame emperor spreading the fires of war. The end of this world was the Sea god raging, one of the most common thoughts for who is the sea god is, is Dragon so another connection there. (We could see Dragon rage by the end of his campaign.)
With the Third world clearly being Luffy which we all have known for a while.

Again I'm not saying they are exactly the 3 worlds just that the 3 worlds are reflected within them and their lives.

[fierce thorn]

I have a feeling the treasure is something that isn't valuable in the traditional sense, this is why Roger laughed hard. Throughout the story we keep hearing how a treasure is just what you value most.

[supple tapir]

Ok what if the one piece is makinos child? Or just children in general/inherited will? Hear me out. ok so the final poneglyph is held by a man with a burn scar. This man is said to ride on a black ship. The black ships in ancient Japanese history were Portuguese ships that bartered trade with japan. and the Goa kingdom is a reference to the Portuguese controlled India. “It shares part of its name with a state in India that was under Portuguese colonial possession before it was annexed. The name was often used collectively for all of Portuguese India." This makes me think of Sabo. The final poneglyph is with sabo but he doesn’t know it. But it leads them back to dawn island which is what the actual name of luffys home island is. And the big thing here is perespective. We were originally led to believe that windmill village made up the entirety of the island. But then we get more of luffys backstory. And we find out it’s actually housing a whole ass kingdom. So it wouldn’t be crazy to think that Roger discovers a side of the island. Says it’s laughtale and leaves it without exploring the whole island. And that what he discovered was a poneglyph with information on a baby born so he came too early. But what if the one piece is just that. Children. The future. Babies. Cause ace would’ve been Roger’s treasure. the black ship is a critique on Portuguese attempting to colonialize Japan. which would make the greatest parallel between goa and Portuguese

[keen trellis]

The Gunko/Lily Theory

Imu’s fascination with Gunko is very apparent. She was once his servant, a God’s Knight whose age seemingly hasn’t changed as rapidly as the others, and she’s also the person Imu chooses to possess directly. That raises the question: what makes her so special?
I had ideas before, but this recent chapter made things feel much clearer.
Zaza looks strikingly similar to Gunko, and I don’t think it’s just another “Oda Nami clone” situation. I think there’s clearly more to it than that. It’s interesting that Oda would introduce two characters in the same arc with such similar designs.
The biggest detail is obviously the mask both characters wear to cover part of their faces. So why would Imu want someone who resembles the most feared figure among the Celestial Dragons serving directly under him?
Then you have to think about who else Imu has always seemed obsessed with: Nefertari D. Lily.
I believe Lily was the original user of the Rain God fruit, Zaza. It’s very interesting that she ruled over the country with the driest climate in the world. Most likely, she used her abilities to help Alabasta thrive. It’s also worth noting that rain was such a major focus throughout the Alabasta arc.

Gunko not only hides her mouth behind a mask, but she also has blue hair. It’s not the exact same shade as Lily’s or Vivi’s, but it’s close enough for Imu’s liking.
So what I’m basically saying is this: Imu is playing dress-up with Gunko, recreating his image of Lily. The difference now is that he can fully control her.

[olive nimbus]

I think man marked by flames is Davy jones cs it’s clearly based off of the Black Pearl in pirates of the Caribbean and the captain of the black pearl became Davy jones and he’s def alive cs of some curse kinda like Imu except Imu has the literal devil fruit and it’s known oda loves pirates of the carribean so yea

[sour onyx]

The one piece is in the whirlpool in the center of the tarai current protected by the gates of justice and the three major navy bases. There is lore that says the man marked by flames is able to make whirlpools to destroy ships.

[olive nimbus]

I think the op is in reverse mountain cs it’s a parallel of loguetown the place of beginning and end and also x marks the spot

[runic mist]

I have an awsome theory: The giant straw hat in the bottom of mary geoise is a weapon, we see with Emmet that joyboy has a ceratin ability to store haki in knots, so i think the giant straw hat isn't an accessory its a weopen we know it isn't a accessory becuase when we saw Emmets flashbacks we saw joyboy was a normal sized human, so before joyboy died he stored all his haki into that hat he made, and when someone breaks the knit the hat explodes killing the person who broke the onow and many other people along with it, and if they don't die they'll be knocked out unconscious, amd imu is putting it in an icy fridge like room so the knit says stable and doesn't rot and gets hard, so its unlikely it'll explode normally, and imu might use it as a last resort.

[primal prism]

Guys what of the water god will fight in the final war since Marijose I above the clouds,rain can happen which they call a curse(I think)

[placid bay]

HARLEY (Chapter 1138)

THE FIRST WORLD

• sun god appeared [太陽の神][Taiyō no kami]
• earth god raged [地の神][Ji no kami]
  • has a serpent of hellfire

THE SECOND WORLD

• forest god tamed demons [森の神][Mori no kami]
• sea god stormed [海の神][Umi no kami]

THE THIRD WORLD

• The sun god dances [太陽の神][Taiyō no kami]

SHANDIAN GODS (Chapter 287)

• Sun god [太陽の神] [Taiyō no Kami]
• Rain god [雨の神] [Ame no Kami]
• Forest god [森の神] [Mori no Kami]
• Earth god [大地の神] [Daichi no Kami]
  • Kashigami, giant snake thought to be god and bearing titles of all 4 mentioned dieties

SHANKS MENTION (Chapter 19)

• Devil Fruits are the incarnation of the Sea Devil and the sea hates them [海の悪魔] [Umi no akuma]

Thriller bark first chapter title (Chapter 442)

• Devil's sea / Evil sea [魔の海][Ma no Umi]

VEGAPUNK EXPLANATION OF DFs (Chapter 1069)

• calls the sea as mother of nature who hates DF users

---

• Sun god Nika, has appeared through Luffy's DF and Bonney's.
• Rain god Zaza, has appeared through Killingham's DF.
• Forest god has not appeared. Possible devil fruits:
  • Aramaki's Mori Mori no Mi which turns the user into a Forest Human
  • Chpper's Hito Hito no Mi because when chopper removes domi reversi sounds similar to "The forest god tamed demons"
• Earth god has not appeared, in the harley his name is slightly different than the shandian one. Possible DF:
  • Some speculate it's IMU
  • Akainu's Magu Magu no Mi is the closet power to it that we've seen so far
  • Gura Gura no Mi seems somewhat related as well as the power of an earth god.
• Sea god seems to be in place of rain god in the harley but I reckon they are different but somehow connected. Also is he related to sea devil mentioned by shanks, I think there is some connection here too. Possible DF's:
  • The closest DF we know so far is Aokiji's Hie Hie no Mi

Strangely the Admiral's DFs seem somewhat related to the one piece gods' powers. Also earth god seems to relate IMU and BB's Gura Gura no Mi, I think there is more to this but we don't know enough yet to be sure.

---

Other godly DF's:

• Ryu Ryu no Mi, Model: Nidhöggr, seems to be the dragon in the harley mural and is treated by IMU the same as Nika and Elbaph considers the user as the "Warrior God"
• Goro Goro no Mi. Power of thunder which is associated with many gods in mythology and the DF was used by Enel who proclaimed himself god.
• Ryu Ryu no Mi, Model: Kirin. Qilin is a divine chinese dragon.
• Hito Hito no Mi, Model: Daibutsu. Statue of religion IRL.
• Hito Hito no Mi, Model: Onyudo. Type of Japanese yōkai.
• Inu Inu no Mi, Model: Kyubi no Kitsune. Related to Fox god and demon.
• Inu Inu no Mi, Model: Okuchi no Makami. Okuchi is the deification of the extinct Japanese gray wolf.
• Hebi Hebi no Mi, Model: Yamata no Orochi. A serpent able to fight gods.
• Uma Uma no Mi, Model: Pegasus. Horse of the gods.
• Cerberus DF. Gatekeeper of underworld.
• Laffitte's DF, seems to give angel wings.

Honorable mention:

• Soru Soru no Mi. Seems extremely similar to IMU's DF but weaker and happier xD

These powers are the dreams and hopes of the one piece world according to Vegapunk. So these DFs must bear some importance to the one piece deities lore.

[runic mist]

WHO AGREES WITH ME!
(Sorry i used the theory section for talking)

[terse rune]

So a nuke to destroy Imu's threat? If that goes on haki will be stored in many ways than knots and make a new way

[opaque quiver]

@twilit cape #manga-theories is for long indepth theories only

please dont ask questions that arent even related to one piece here

@glad osprey long indepth theories with evidence please

[pastel ingot]

Compilation of my theories/guesses:

Gods:

Forest - Imu
Sun - Luffy
Rain - Vivi
Earth - Blackbeard
Moon - Blood soaked serpent
Uranus - Loki
Pluton - Momonosuke
Poseidon - Shirahoshi

Final war matchups:

-Cross Guild/BB vs Luffy/Red hairs-

Shanks vs Blackbeard (Act 1)
Luffy vs Blackbeard (Act 2)
Loki/Ancient weapons vs Blood soaked serpent
Zoro vs Mihawk
Sanji vs ???

-Koby and Dragon vs The WG-

Koby vs Imu
Dragon/Vivi vs Garling/Gorosei
Sabo vs Akainu
Aokiji vs Shamrock

[runic mist]

Basically ya, and we don't have proof that joyboy can store haki in other things except knots

[runic mist]

Uranus can't be loki cuz so far everyone has said Uranus is a battleship not a persom

Koby is not versing imu hell probably be knocked out in like 2 attacks

[tropic elk]

Dragon is luffys mother, he has the rain goddess fruit. He transforms into the rain goddess form and has a child with crocodile whilst in it. It is all coming together.

[subtle crag]

Pluton is a battleship not Uranus, but because loki is revealed to be a reincarnation of the war God i doubt he's uranys

[runic mist]

I got confused eith the ancient weopens

Uranus is a flying weopen, loki can't be uranus like its very very unlikely

[runic mist]

Some of these are wrong

[runic mist]

Koby might fight imu but probably will do very little damage, and imu will probably 2 shout koby

[leaden summit]

koby aint even gonna scratch imu 😭

[last estuary]

The Wager

God and the Devil are engaged in a struggle over humanity’s souls. Rather than a true wager, it is a challenge of faith and loyalty, as seen in the story of Job, where Satan questions human devotion to God. Satan cannot act directly, only through temptation and influence, much like demons whisper while angels guide.

This mirrors how Imu issues commands while the Elders carry out those orders, serving as instruments of a higher will. They employ both the Marines and Cipher Pol to air their dirty laundry, maintaining order and continuing the oppression of the lower world while avoiding direct involvement themselves. They are also responsible for making anyone with knowledge of Nika "disappear."

The Consequences

Satan is fully aware of his fate of being cast into the eternal lake of fire. Driven by hatred, pride, and envy, he seeks to corrupt humanity and drag as many souls down with him as possible.

Similarly, everything seems preordained, from Joyboy’s return to the events yet to unfold. Perhaps this is why Imu had sought to erase the echoes of the past; entire races, bloodlines, and civilizations, among many others. Yet, fate cannot be defied, nor can destiny be escaped.

Another consequences would be the eventual flooding of the entire World to remove any unnecessary obstacles and hit the hard reset.

Many artists portray God and the Devil playing chess as a symbol of humanity’s struggle between good and evil, with each piece representing a human soul. Pieces captured by Satan symbolise those led astray by temptation and worldly desires, while God’s pieces represent those who rediscovered faith and found redemption. Many people who once renounced God or pursued darker paths later claimed to find salvation through Jesus Christ and devoted their lives to sharing that transformation.

Though Satan may seem to gain ground during the game, Christian belief holds that he is ultimately defeated. The second coming of Christ represents the final checkmate; Satan and his followers will face judgment, while God’s faithful are welcomed into heaven.

Similarly the world represents a board.

Just like how the "wager" between God and the Devil is on a standstill, so is the war from 800 years ago.

Each side is making its move one step at a time, as though the world itself is part of a massive chess match awaiting its inevitable checkmate. We still do not know what drove Emeth to attack Mariejois 200 years ago, but I would still consider it a significant “move” on the board, one that will hopefully be explored further in the future.

The World Government honestly feels like one massive chessboard controlled by Imu. The Holy Knights seem to represent pawns while the Gorosei represent the higher ranking pieces: two rooks, two bishops, and two knights. What makes this parallel even more interesting is Garling, originally a "pawn," being promoted to the rank of an Elder, meaning there were six at one point, or at the very least six identities tied to those positions that we are currently aware of. And just like in chess, Imu had no issue sacrificing one of his own pieces when Saturn was discarded.

Imu himself perfectly embodies the King piece too; from the Empty Throne to down to his silhouette. But the most suspicious absence is the Queen. In chess, the Queen is the most valuable piece beside the King, and in One Piece, Lili mysteriously vanished from history. Now it almost seems like Imu is attempting to replace that missing Queen with Vivi. Totalling the chess pieces to 16 just like in a game of chess.

Dishonorabe mention: Kong

The black and white symbolism throughout the World Government also supports this idea. White is traditionally associated with purity, justice, and goodness, while black is linked to secrecy, death, and evil. The World Government prominently uses both colors, though black appears far more significant beneath the surface. White is worn by the Celestial Dragons, people who are completely ignorant of the truth and genuinely believe they are righteous Gods above humanity. Meanwhile, black surrounds Imu and the people closest to the truth i.e. black robes, black suits, black flames, silhouette, abyss etc. Unlike the other Celestial Dragons, they are fully aware about the history, the consequences of their actions, and the reality of the world they rule over. It almost feels as if Imu flipped the chessboard centuries ago and rewrote the narrative.

This black and white duality also extend towards those under them like the Marines and Cipher Pols. The Marines embody the white aspects of the system; good, justice, protection, maintaining order and enforcing law, especially since they serve as the "public face" of the WG. In contrast, the Cipher Pol represents its darker side through its methods; espionage, intelligence gathering, absolution, assassination, and other covert operations.

Board gains more significance when:
During Wano, CP0 agents used a Go board to assess and track the shifting power dynamics during raid, fundamentally a war to reclaim back Wano.

Reversi board is portrayed as symbolism of flipping, fundamentally another war that serves to reclaim Elbaph from foreign invaders.

I noticed that the mural depicts 16 different factions opposing Imu. I’m not counting the "fish," however, since they appear to be an extension of Poseidon’s power rather than a separate side.

Further Connection

There may be a correlation between Zunesha’s crime and Imu, which could explain why Zunesha was condemned to wander the seas for eternity. The punishment is so absolute that Zunesha even required permission just to retaliate against Jack’s attack.

Perhaps, Imu used "reversi" or metaphorically turned Zunesha against Joyboy, making Zunesha complicit in Joyboy’s death. This may mirror how Akainu manipulated Squard during marineford. Thematically, it also parallels Cain’s punishment in the Bible. He was condemned to wander eternally after killing his brother Abel out of jealousy and spite.

The world itself has been waiting for Joyboy’s return. The oppressed search for Nika. Alber believed Joyboy is a figure of immense strength that can shape the world. Oden wanted to "open" Wano in preparation for Joyboy's arrival. The two sovereign. And his return is tied to prophecy, a promise and hope.

Meanwhile, Imu sits upon a throne that was never rightfully his, ruling the world from the shadows, much like the devil occupying the spotlight before an inevitable fall. His defeat will likely come through Joyboy's return. In doing so, Joyboy may destroy the redline, a symbol of division and oppression, and unite the seas into one. It may not be a coincidence that the first half of the Grandline is called "Paradise," but also due to obvious reason. By the end of the story, perhaps the entire world will become a paradise, a sea where all people are free, and the separated islands are united once more into a single landmass, echoing the world of ancient times.

I also believe Joyboy was fully aware of his eventual death. Like Jesus, he did not resist fate, instead he accepted it. However, he still sought to preserve the truth for the future through the poneglyphs, the ancient weapons for the future use etc. This would explains his "apology" back in fmi, and what One Piece truly is. It is even more evident considering what Roger said; they had simply arrived too early.

P.s. this is a small part of a theory i am currently writing so stay tune. If anyone is confused, I am making a connection between Imu and both, the Forest and the Earth God. 👍

[pastel ingot]

Uranus is not revealed, Koby should be strong enough to do that in the final arc

Plus the reason why I think he is Uranus is cause of his eyes and how the weather changed when he was born, until Harald returned

[raw scarab]

• its possible Poseidon is the reincarnation of the sea god. There are a lot of possibilities left for different gods and ancient weapons. The ancient weapons are also named after gods, and may themselves be considered gods in some way. One piece seems to be embracing mythology that spans multiple cultures and timeframes, so greek names for ancient weapons might reference a 2nd world culture that might have had greek themes in Oda's mind.
• The other thing to note its possible the ancient weapons to a degree were weapons of the Gods. For example Poseidon rules over the Neptunians, but they are names of the same god. It is possible Pluton was a ship for Hades or Earth god. As we see with Loki and Ragnir, or earth god and hellfire serpent, a duality or alliance with ancient gods and their ‘weapons.’

[runic mist]

But most people have said its a sky weopen and i think it is, also the WG used to destroy the kingdom of lulusia kingdom, but oda hasn't revealed if it was uranus but it is most likely uranus

[pastel ingot]

Would be Pluton, we never actually saw the weapon in Wano

[runic mist]

U have a point but probably its uranus cuz the blueprint on how to build pluton is gone, like franky burned it.

[runic mist]

AND PLUTON IS NOT MOMO

[runic mist]

Nvm its in wano but still it wasn't pluton

[pastel ingot]

I believe he’ll command it at some point

[runic mist]

True cuz its in wano and momo is the shogun

[pastel ingot]

Would be in Imus hand rn but yeah

[cold maple]

Sanji vs Crocodile or Laffite prob

[prisma rune]

https://tenor.com/view/deadpool-let-this-man-cook-cook-deadpool-and-wolverine-cooking-gif-15846581740880760712

[restive oar]

Imu does not Have observation Haki

As he could not sense wapol

[tacit vapor]

Pretty sure in luffy v katakuri we learnt u had to be calm to use observation haki and imu was anything but calm then

[terse rune]

Wait till a another joyboy haki blast and see imu huff and puff

[fervent compass]

I think Chopper’s Devil Fruit might actually be a God Fruit. I saw Oda’s drawing of Chopper at 60 years old where he says, “Bring me a sacrifice.” It reminded me of the sacrifice scenes in the Skypiea Arc, so maybe Oda already hinted at it back then. Anyone else notice this?

[nova sail]

i think oda forgot

[pastel ingot]

Or an abyss zoan fruit like the Gorosei, Robin and Loki

“The wendigo, Chopper”

[lunar shell]

Is there a theory about “they will meet again” in the mural of elbaf ?

[unkempt pawn]

I’m siding with this theory. His Devil Fruit being the Forest God fruit would actually explain a lot. Plus, if Blackbeard really went to Drum Island for a Devil Fruit, that would be way too suspicious to be random.

Also, Chopper’s Human-Human Fruit has always felt strange to me. Even with Rumble Balls, some of his transformations look nothing like an actual human or reindeer. You could argue it’s because of the “human monster” nature of the fruit, or because Chopper is originally a reindeer, but it still feels off.

And now we have that recent moment where Chopper lightly hit one of the giants transformed into demons by Imu, and the transformation immediately disappeared. That honestly feels like a pretty major hint, or at the very least proof that his Devil Fruit is somehow special.

[graceful hearth]

If you go back to the big panel we got about the 3 worlds it explains how the forest god was able to naturally counterract domini reversi

[runic mist]

@graceful hearthhi new guy

[inner edge]

if a human ate choppers fruit would they jst not be able to swim from the rest of there life with any powers?

without

[lucid wedge]

i do believe its something like luffys fruit. human human model something, even though luffys a human and he ate a human human fruit because its model nika it has other powers, oda hasnt revealed choppers full devil fruit name, we only know it as human human, so i do believe there would be some powers involved with it

[inner edge]

OK

[restive oar]

One Piece is not gold or riches, but a story passed down through song. Because songs survive censorship and eras much better than books or written records, Joy Boy may have used it to leave his story. This perfectly explains why Gol D. Roger and his crew "laughed" when they reached the final island—they found a tale of joy that brought the whole world together

[graceful hearth]

??

[gritty kite]

What if the story is a way to see the future and they saw Luffys adventures? They got a lot of knowledge about the future and what was to come. If they knew about Buggy’s future as a yonko that would definetly make them laugh. I think there might be a window to the future and the past in laughtale.

[next crag]

Nah buddy that's not as we all laugh when we see buggy becomes the yonko as we know how weak he is or pretends but at that time if roger sees that he and the whole crew would be really proud for both shanks and buggy

And what I think is one piece is not a thing or an object. On that island there was a person who welcomed every pirate and that pirate is a joy boy himself or maybe his subordinate but the way he looks the whole crew laughed and that's why it's called laugh tale and the person also tell the history of void century to the roger pirates and that's how they know the history

[gritty kite]

How do they know the future that’s to come?

[next crag]

Bro now listen to me

So actually this story is not just about joy boy it's more historical then nika as it's already be written ( if u read the recent manga and see the mural ) so that's how I think the guy rogers crew met gives them information

[graceful hearth]

Wouldnt rlly explain why the song needs to be heard by the passed down joyboy as we saw roger say that "it was too early"

[gritty kite]

There is no confirmed guy, that’s theory territory. And the history being pre written opens even more questions. Roger knew exactly how many years, knew about shirahoshi, knew about some person that would arrive in 20 years. It’s not general knowledge of historic events. He somehow knew the future, he either saw it, read about it or was told, but Roger getting info about the future in laugh tale is a confirmed thing.

[turbid trail]

Additionally, there was a plant on drum drum island (a mushroom) that was said to be able to heal ANY disease, which was the whole purpose behind the arc of hiriluk going to the castle and standing up to wapol.

At this point, it would make sense that the fruit refers to the forest god fruit, granting the user the ability to heal the domi reversi effect (and potentially other untapped powers)

[olive dragon]

I think they specifically said Mushroom.. or am i remembering it wrong? 🤔 and chopper I think also said he ate a mushroom that made him that way.

Have we ever seen a devil fruit be something other than a fruit? Mushrooms arent fruit.. right? 🤔🤔

I do think that blackbeard was looking for the god fruit in Drum, but there are some points still unclear.

[knotty pewter]

so im thinking

a forest god is imu, he has devil fruit as his fruit power, he is seen mostly in a garden, and when he arrives at elbaf only wooden structures come to life and with a music not unlike nika or now zaza

it makes sense with the story as well, a forest god is the one sending forth devils, and in retaliation against forest god, zaza floods the world

[stone bolt]

The forest god is the one taming devils, not creating them

[pastel ingot]

They look tame to me in the manga

[knotty pewter]

i still stand by what i said

[novel ridge]

the owl Biblo is the Explorer Louis Arnote

[pastel ingot]

Joyboy stopped Imu from praying to the serpent of hellflame like Noland stopped Jabra

Davy as the earth god was with the serpent in a way

[prisma rune]

That new episode kinda confirms the theory of usopp dying

It seemed very bittersweet as if usopp is gonna die soon but he got to visit the place he'd always dreamed of

[hearty bloom]

I wouldn't want this to happen before all his lies becoming true tho, even though it's possible for all of them to become true AFTER he dies

[somber moat]

Bro what? No Straw hat is going to die

Especially not a member of the East blue five

[shadow shuttle]

Luffy is gonna run into shamrock before shanks, he will run up to shamrock thinking its shanks and he will attempt to give him the hat and talk to him but shamrock will backstab him.
Elite level THeory 🔥

[raw scarab]

I kind of want to flesh out a theory along this. Why did Oda have Shamrock leave Elbaf. We are told its because the holy land is in trouble, but story wise it might be very important that Luffy and Shamrock do not meet right now. Shamrock doesnt seem to have hatred of his brother when speaking of him.

[upper echo]

The connection between Monkey D. Dragon and the legend of Ryujin, the Sea King who controls rain, lightning, and tides, opens up a fascinating explanation for his mysterious abilities.

The idea of the long-lived Eastern dragon in mythology has always been a symbol of protection and the power of nature.

If Dragon possesses a Mythical Zoan fruit inspired by this entity, it explains why his presence is always linked to dramatic weather changes, rather than limiting his power to a simple weather fruit.

In mythology, Ryujin answers people's prayers by bringing rain to drought-stricken lands. This aligns with Dragon's political goal of saving oppressed kingdoms from the tyranny of the World Government.

His power becomes an embodiment of nature's justice, using the ancient spirit of the Sea Dragon to dismantle the artificial, empty throne.

[gritty kite]

I thought exactly the same. In the anime ussop entering elbaf was made as if he is going to die and that’s the scene they are going to flashback. Made me think if they actually know that kind of thing in advance.

[dusky acorn]

https://youtu.be/gyUE1PTcoM0?si=4gZx2x22C0smUIOO

Hey guys, I happened to stumble across an interesting theory video regarding Kid.

This theory basically pitches the idea that Kid’s power by design is meant for him to end up on Laugh Tale, one way or another.
That is, if the final battle between all key pirates is believed to happen on Laugh Tale.

If there would be a beacon that provides key players access to the island as a battleground for a modern-day God Valley of sorts.. then Kid could actually be that beacon, with his devil fruit.

If he were to Assign the actual island with magnetism, then it could actually affect people’s log-poses to be able to point towards it, for the first time in ever.

The theorist suggests the reason Kid would do this would be as a way of coming into contact with his spited enemy, Shanks.
After all, Kid knows Shanks actively is on the hunt for Laugh Tale and was after his road ponegliffs.

I personally think it could fit in tune for Kid to want to draw people such as the Red Haired Pirates towards him for a battle in the chaotic war.

Kid’s whole thing is assembly / breaking things apart— metal or human. Just like Kid treated humans as things he could disassemble in the past, he’d be assembling key figures in the world to the one location the World Government doesn’t want uncovered.

@slate burrow @cobalt igloo @desert quest @craggy pumice

@simple bolt

[cobalt igloo]

This is a cool theory, a bit dark and edgy too which would be unexpected but welcome

I think right now as someone that Luffy doesn’t seem to mind, we are looking at him potentially playing the same role Law is playing. But doing something as chaotic as that would be way more fitting for a “punk” such as himself

[obtuse lotus]

One of the biggest W theories I've heard in recent times.
But the only downside I still manage to find is that how is Kidd ever going to get back in action on par with the Emperors. This is very certainly possible, as he is a strong and well written character, but I don't see how he can perform such a feat after getting sunk down the ocean, literally.

[languid crow]

dont agree

[patent wigeon]

not my theory but someone said what if at the end of one piece brook was the one telling the story

[restive oar]

Luffy's Hidden Dream and Joy Boy’s Treasure - What did Roger and Luffy say that made their crews laugh and stare in disbelief? It wasn't simply becoming the King of the Pirates. Luffy's ultimate dream is to throw the biggest party in the entire world, where everyone can eat, laugh, and share sake as equals.You cannot hold a global party if the oceans are physically divided, if borders are locked, and if different races are enslaved or hidden underwater.When the World Government falls and the seas are united, Luffy will achieve his dream. The treasure Joy Boy left behind at Laugh Tale is likely a massive, historic batch of Binks' Sake and a record of this grand plan. When Roger found it, he laughed because he realized he arrived 20 years too early—the necessary elements, including Poseidon, had not yet been born.

[rancid knot]

Maybe Enis Lobby was the sun kingdom linked to Nika (explaining why its always daytime) and got destroyed like lulusia during great war explaining the hole whirmpool

[ebon bone]

Actually I believe one of the SH dying or someone close to them dying can be catalyst for the war against the World's sovereigns.

I don't think the current Luffy would bother with the governmental system most of battles has been personally motivated.

[reef tiger]

this channel should be a forum

[civic forge]

Hes right, very hard to follow what going on.

[raw scarab]

we do have a forum section #1022309132692365383

[maiden remnant]

Hi every one, i'm new here and i was wondering if anyone has a theory about who could be Hinokizu. I'm so interested in that character because it is someone who was not mentioned until the final of wano and it's so strange that a character who has a road poneglifh was mwntioned to late in the manga.

[reef urchin]

I’m saying it here: I fully expect to be shunned for this, but I don’t think Usopp makes it off of Elbaf alive. Honestly, it would make sense for his story to end there.

I can picture a moment where he’s finally recognized as a true Brave Warrior of the Sea, and in that same moment, he sacrifices himself so his captain and crew can escape the island. For a character whose entire journey has been about overcoming fear, dying while standing his ground for the people he loves would be the ultimate payoff.

[twilit wadi]

The way I see it there are 3 options at this point, it's either a figure that has already been teased by being involved with the story in the past during rogers time most likely, or it's a figure that somehow have sailed the seas since the void century and is yet another link to that part of the story. Which to me is the two most likely options IMO. But you also have option 3 which is that Oda gives us a completely new character that is not really that involved with anyone, but at the same time this person kinda has to be at this point be somehow involved. Cause this is most likely a very important character to come across most likely very shortly after Elbafh that will tide things in towards the final war and of course the one piece.

[twilit wadi]

No shunning, but I can not see anyone in the Straw Hats dying at all. I am seeing a lot of people with theories that it will happen/ most happen cause the story needs this to elevate things or something. But I don't know if people have started to underestimate what Luffy went trough on Marineford, and the promise he made to himself after the fact. I think Luffy holds that promise to the same high as his dreams at becoming the Pirate King. The only one I think will still have something to do with "dying" is Brook, but that is only because I think his abilities is linked with the underworld/death which might be obvious but I think there is a deeper layer there.

[leaden summit]

as much as i really want a SH of any kind to die for the rest of the SHs to "lock in" more for the final saga and battle, i fear oda is not the kinda person who would kill any of them off, even at the final battle

[reef urchin]

I’ve been putting so much stock into Usopp. His involvement in Wano Country and Egghead felt so lacking that I started imagining Elbaf as the arc where we finally get a dramatic shift in his character.

And I don’t just mean in terms of power scaling. I mean a genuine transformation in his ideals as a pirate moving forward. The more I think about it, the more it feels possible that Usopp’s story ends with him giving his life for his crew — standing his ground against one of the most formidable characters we’ve seen in the One Piece universe.

For a character whose entire journey has revolved around fear, courage, and the idea of becoming a “Brave Warrior of the Sea,” that kind of sacrifice would feel like the ultimate conclusion to his arc. I honestly can’t even picture his role leading into the Final War, Lodestar, or Laugh Tale at this point. But with the way Elbaf is shaping up, I can genuinely see this being the proper end for him.

[twilit wadi]

I guess we will see, but he is the crews sniper and I think we will still get Usopp vs Van Augur during the final war. So unless he is the one that suddenly shows up in Elbaph to shake things up right before everything seems to have come to a conclusion on Elbaph to try to take out the Straw hats when they are weakened then maybe you will be right, but I don't think death will be the answer to any SH faith. Cause regardless of Usopp achieving his dream that way, I do not think Luffy will see it that way,

[sonic ruin]

I completely agree that Usopp needs a transformation that is beyond receiving a new power/technique. His all time low point is abandoning the tontattas (and Robin, if I'm not mistaken) while they reached for him and screamed his name. Altogether he ended up as "god usoland" but only cause others had to do what he couldn't . Usopp needs to accept that being a brave warrior of the sea is facing the possibility of dying and, even with fear, stand the ground against enemies that are more powerful than he is, smt that all other shs understand.

I don't think any sh will die but I believe 100% that his character needs growth that is beyond power, and the stakes are as high as they can now, in Elbaph. It's now or never

[twilit wadi]

I think also that the "problem" with Usopp if I may be so bold is that out of all the Straw Hats, Usopp has been the most neglected story wise. And it goes beyond the regular neglect that you can do with characters of such a BIG story that One Piece is and just forget about him. Cause Usopp is there and has been there almost since the beginning, but yet he is being used too long in a way that feels redounded. So I do believe that Elbaph should be Usopp's time to shine, more than his fight in alabasta, fight with luffy, sogeking and the god usopp stuff. But this far in Elbaph I do not see where Oda will pull that off from. Other than him standing up to something he has absolutely no faith he will survive, and finally unlocking some of the potential we saw in Dressrosa and what he can achieve, since he is the son of Yasopp.

[cold maple]

Not all of his lies,tbf because he said things like "I have conquerors haki" and "I have 8000 subordinates under me" (if I remember the number correctly) these are some of the lies which are only possible if Usopp is alive

But I do think Usopp will die just not in Elbaph

But it seems very unlikely that he gets Conquerors haki in the Elbaph arc and the whole 8000 subordinates thing is prob something which will happen in the final war arc

I think that Usopp won't die in Elbaph instead I think he will go through another training arc and make his comeback in the final war arc with 8000 of his subordinates and he will be stronger

[turbid trail]

Usopp has been the person the entire time whos lies have become truths. Clearly there is something going on there, whether it be some sort of hint to hyper advanced observation haki that will allow him to defeat a teleporting sniper (which seems like an opponent all the current strawhats are ill equipped to deal with), or some sort of prophetic powers through stories, similar to whoever wrote the mural.

I can understand why ussop seems like a good candidate to die, but truthfully i dont think one piece is at that point yet where crew members need to be sacrificed to motivate future events.

[lunar viper]

I feel like oda just has forgot about usopp cause we saw in wano two times where usopp just show cowardice
1.when nami and usopp fighting ulti ulti asked them to say luffy will not become king of pirates to nami but he says nami js lie and maybe I didnt read properly but thats one reason
2.he literally admits when saving Kiku and kinemon he only runs and thats how he survives

[ebon bone]

Since there are like lotta God Fruits now, what do y'all think about Sengoku's Buddha fruit? Is he a god like Luffy or just an enlightened individual with doubtful morals.

[raw scarab]

!theories

[lone hedge]

Please refrain from using manga-theories for joke theories, casual chit-chat, power scaling, bounty predictions or low-effort memes. This channel is for serious discussion- please read the channel description. Posts here must be in paragraph form, preferably with evidence, not just a one line open question.

[last estuary]

I’m inclined to believe that Imu may embody both the Forest God and the Earth God.

The Forest God is said to tame demons, and if Devil Fruits truly contain “devils,” then only a devil-like being may be capable of controlling them. Imu shares both the physical traits and symbolic motif of a devil, which could imply the ability to influence the entities within Devil Fruits. If that is the case, Imu may have been the first being capable of wielding more than one Devil Fruit power, perhaps even housing multiple “devils” within himself.

That said, this idea becomes more complicated when considering the panel where the Gorosei describe Blackbeard as the first “person” to achieve such a feat. However, their wording may be significant. They distinguish man from God, and if they truly worship Imu as a divine figure, then Blackbeard being the first "man" to wield two Devil Fruits would not necessarily exclude Imu. In that sense, Imu could still be the first "Godlike being" to possess multiple Devil Fruit powers.

This also raises questions about the Gorosei themselves. We still have no direct confirmation that they are traditional Devil Fruit users. It’s possible their powers were not gained through fruits at all, but bestowed upon them by Imu.

The covenant system may support this theory. There appear to be three types of covenants, with each stage representing a deeper bond with Imu. The Gorosei possesses the highest level, the Abyssal covenant, though its symbol and true purpose remain unknown. Their otherworldly transformations may stem from Imu granting them these abilities directly, effectively making them Devil Fruit users without ever consuming a fruit. If so, Imu may also have the power to revoke those abilities at will.

It would not be surprising if Garling eventually transforms into Gyuki during battle, inheriting not only Saturn's position, but also the “devil” tied to it.

Imu’s power also seems demonic in nature. He can offer or force contracts onto others. He appears capable of possessing some. He can also exert dark influence on others. For example, Harald wasn't necessarily controlled but rather influenced into obeying Imu.

He seems to have an astral, blob-like form. Physical attacks, even those enhanced with Haki, appear to pass through it, while Imu remains calm and unaffected throughout.

Imu also appears to have two distinct sets of wings. One resembles the classic devil-like design, while the other is strikingly similar to that of a Lunarian. This could be an intentional symbolic contrast.

The Lunarians were once regarded as Gods, and the land where Mariejois now stands was formerly known as the Land of Gods. In that sense, Imu seems to embody both a God and a devil.

What makes this even more interesting is that the latest chapter is literally titled "God and Devil," while Imu’s dialogue suggests he views the two as one and the same.

Desperate times call for desperate measures

Devil Fruits are said to have a will of their own, mainly Zoan types. What if the Earth God planted a seed, and that seed became the Yami Yami no Mi?

The Earth God and the Forest God are fundamentally separate entities. Based on Harley’s account, the Earth God was deviant yet highly cunning, who worked alongside the Hellfire Serpent to defeat Nika, and spread death and darkness across the First World.

I believe the Earth God and the Forest God are fighting for dominance. It could be either scenario where the Forest God is currently dominant because it is said to be able to tame “demons.” OR the Forest God aspect of Imu may be helping contain the Earth God, with traces of its presence leaking out from time to time.

Imu, as Nerona Imu, may be the host caught between them. This could be similar to Cavendish and Hakuba, including how they share similar eyes. Or maybe something like Inazuma, whose personality noticeably contrasts depending on their “gender.”

A being like the Earth God would likely refuse to share a body or submit to the Forest God. Hypothetically speaking; fearing it might lose control one day and fading away into obscurity, it may have enacted a contingency plan by planting a “seed” that became the Yami Yami no Mi. This could explain why the Yami fruit feels so different from other Devil Fruits, as if it was made to one day reclaim power. OR to claim complete dominance over bodily autonomy.

This idea mirrors Harald’s situation, where he ordered his men to kill him before he fully succumbed to Imu’s dark influence.

The Second World mural may also hint at this. It shows a beast towering over a giant tree. The tree could represent the Forest God’s power, while its branches symbolize the 13 covenants and its leaves represent Devil Fruits. If so, the great figures of the First World may have reincarnated through fruits. Nika through his own fruit, and Loki's Nidhogg fruit possibly representing the Hellfire Serpent.

Imu, or the beings inside him, seemed to react with both recognition and concern after learning Nidhogg had been in Elbaph all along. He fully understand the consequences of that battle returning.

Teach is another strong link to this theory because he perfectly represents darkness. His past is mostly hidden, revealed only in pieces. He even said the fruit chose him. If Devil Fruits truly have wills, then perhaps the Earth God’s will guided the Yami Yami no Mi to Blackbeard so it could return and reclaim dominance.

Even more interesting is Imu’s devil-like power. During his fight with Ace, Blackbeard said his darkness could pull in the Devil’s power itself. Imu’s ability has been revealed to be of a “devil,” and the Yami Yami no Mi may have been foreshadowed as its natural counter all along.

This gains significance when you consider that Rocks alluded to needing two fruits to bring down the Holy Land, and Nidhogg was confirmed to be one of them. While it’s not outright confirmation, the parallels are hard to ignore; Blackbeard inherited Davy’s will, survived God Valley alongside Eris, and Eris herself appears to be aware of the larger plan. The fact that Blackbeard’s entire scheme revolved around obtaining that fruit speaks volumes on its own.

I would like to add that certain Devil Fruits are canonically superior to others, replicating the same core abilities but with greater power, scale, or versatility, as seen with Ace and Akainu or Monet and Kuzan etc. Because of that, the idea I suggested isn’t really far-fetched.

Devil Fruits, especially Zoans, seem to exert a profound influence on their users’ personalities once awakened.

For instance, Luffy describes his awakened state as “free form,” reflecting the liberated and uninhibited nature of his power, causing him to be overwhelmed with joy. In contrast, carnivorous Zoan users like Lucci appear to become noticeably more feral and bloodthirsty after awakening.

We’ve even seen failed awakenings in which the user’s mind is completely overtaken by their animal instincts.

In the same vein, Imu’s awakening may have overwhelmed him with negative stigma, shaping him into the villain we know today. It could also explain his contradictory personality traits, with the devil’s instincts occasionally taking over.

Another interesting parallel is the current group of five Jailer Beasts in Impel Down. Despite their brute, instinct-driven nature, they all recognize Sadi’s authority and superiority, a figure who herself carries strong demonic imagery and symbolism.

His is the drum of oppression, standing in direct contrast to Nika’s. When Imu appears, even the environment reacts. Houses and forests seem to “sing,” but in a distorted, almost demonic way.

There’s a strong possibility that, like Nika, Imu’s Devil Fruit awakening grants a hybrid effect, combining traits of both Paramecia and Zoan awakenings. We see this in how his presence alters the surroundings, bending them into something unnatural, as if the world itself is being corrupted.

At the same time, Imu transforms into an otherworldly being, suggesting a mythical aspect to his power. This ties into the idea of a “dark Nika,” a counterpart embodying domination instead of liberation. In this sense, Imu could represent both the Forest and the Earth God.

If the Yami Yami no Mi is an offshoot or fragment of this Earth God, perhaps created as a failsafe to reclaim full control, then it would make sense that its abilities are incomplete. This parallels a common anime trope where, when power is divided, each fragment retains only part of the whole.

For example, Blackbeard cannot fully become darkness itself but instead absorbs everything, including other Devil Fruit powers.

Imu, on the other hand, may possess what Blackbeard lacks. His “undying body” function similarly to a Logia user’s intangibility, allowing him to exist beyond normal physical limits. Rather than becoming an element, he may embody a more absolute, Godlike state.

In that sense, it is like planting a seed and waiting for it to grow stronger over time, eventually reuniting with its other half. When those fragmented powers come together again, they could restore the full authority of the original Earth God and re-establish control over the world.

Imu appears to be able to conjure weapons, possibly by pulling them from a hidden storage space or “void.”

This could work like the idea of Davy Jones’ Locker, where everything lost at sea ends up in his domain. Instead of the sea, Imu’s version may be a pocket dimension.

In science, a void usually means empty space or a vacuum, but science fiction often treats it as a separate dimension used for storage or travel.

This idea is similar to Blackbeard’s power, since he can absorb objects into darkness, store them, and regurgitate them later through techniques like Black Hole and Liberation.

**It’s safe to assume that Imu may possess multiple Devil Fruits, **which he could have bestowed upon his servants, such as the Gorosei, through some form of covenant.

Devil Fruits are treated as rare commodities while Devil Fruit users are rare in most of the Blues. Meanwhile, the Grand Line has them in far greater abundance. This suggests he may not hold many in total, but rather a select few that he considered exceptionally powerful and worthy of use by himself or his servants. Imu has already shown wide range of power in his arsenal and it isn't over yet. There could be possibly more and how many of these abilities are tied to just one fruit alone, which begs the question. Just how many fruits is he holding inside his body.

We’ve also seen the Celestial Dragons use Devil Fruits as a source of entertainment, for example offering them as prizes during human hunts or forcing them upon slaves, such as the Boa sisters, for their own amusement.

There’s also Saturn, who conducted cruel and unethical experiments on humans to expand his knowledge of Devil Fruits, with Bonney being one example.

The Mural appears to carry thematic parallels to the Adam and Eve narrative. The existence of an “Treasure Tree Adam” and a “Sunlight Tree Eve” reinforces this dualistic symbolism, suggesting a foundational pair of primordial sources of life or power.

Imu is described as one of the “First Twenty,” yet the entity associated with him may predate even the First World itself. This inference is supported by their apparent knowledge of Nidhogg, a mythic figure tied to legends of a God of War capable of transforming into a dragon and engaging in conflict against the Sun God alongside Ratatoskr. Such references imply a mythological layer that extends beyond known recorded history within the setting.

The Shandians believed that the souls of their ancestors resided within sacred white trees, guided there by the ringing of the bell. This belief mirrors the Devil Fruit cycle. This parallel raises the possibility that Devil Fruits themselves originate from a tree-based system.

If so, it could further imply the existence of a “Forest God” archetype or governing force with dominion over these fruits. Since fruits grow on trees, and trees belong to forests, it would follow symbolically that such an entity might have controlled or regulated their distribution in the world’s earliest era.

The Great Cleansing would be their plan to remove any major obstacles to their absolute power. It would force the world back into obscurity, allowing them to rule over an ignorant population without resistance.

An example would be using an Ancient Weapon to flood the world even further and effectively hit the reset button.

In retrospect, Imu would be revisiting what the Earth God did in the First World. They covering the world in death and darkness. But this time, instead of darkness, the world would be consumed by water, with only the highest landmarks surviving the flood, including Mariejois.

So far, from what we’ve seen, Imu seems to have two distinct sides. One is ruthless, shown when he erased Lulusia without hesitation. The other appears gentler, especially in how he seems calm around nature.

These sides also reflect on how he treat those beneath him. Depending on the seriousness of their failure, he may respond with wrath, as seen when he punished Saturn, or with mercy by forgiving them and granting them an “omen.” It’s hard to say how he will deal with Gunko now that her memories have returned. It wouldn’t be far-fetched to think Imu may have been the one who suppressed them in the first place.

This is also worth noting. Imu’s confusing behaviour regarding the King of Elbaph.

Imu acts strangely by repeating things that were already established. While possessing Gunko and using Domi Reversi on Dory and Brogy, Imu ordered them to kill Jarul and declare themselves the new Kings of Elbaph.

However, when Imu arrived in Elbaph personally, the first thing he asked was who the King of Elbaph was.

This behaviour stands out even more because Imu also kept calling Rocks “Davy,” even after Rocks corrected him. Imu continued using that name throughout God Valley, even though it clearly was not their first time meeting.

Harald couldn’t escape from Imu’s grasp, and in a similar way, Imu may be influenced by his two Devil Fruits. He also appears to be awakened. Where Luffy’s Nika awakening fills him with overwhelming joy, Imu seems to represent the opposite; despair, pain, and anguish. This reflects into his rule over the world and his continued fixation over Lili.

Of course, the ramifications of this could mean something else entirely. Oda often writes villains as grounded and human despite their terrible actions. If that is the case with Imu, it would add depth to his character and make him more than a one-dimensional villain. We may even come to feel sympathy for his backstory and learn what shaped him into who he is now once the story unfolds.

Mu = nothingness = void

Maki seems similar to the “Breath of All Things.” That ability allows users to sense the lifeforce within objects, as if everything possesses a kind of living presence. In that same vein, I think Imu may draw in the negative energy or stigma surrounding the world. It feels somewhat comparable to Big Mom’s Soul Pocus.

"Within the void, there was breath"

I think the mural suggests that the Earth God’s soul lingered around the blue planet just as its name suggest. When mankind prayed or sought after the world, the desire led the soul towards the sacred tree, where it reincarnated into a Devil Fruit.

This mirrors Brook’s soul wandering through the mist for a year before finally reuniting with his body.

There’s also a clear Shandian parallel; they believed the spirits of their ancestors dwelled within the holy white trees, guided by the ringing of the bell.

When Imu refers to themself in the third person as “Mu,” it could imply that the Earth God’s personality is the dominant one, or that its influence has merged with Imu in some way. Or possibly both.

What if Vegapunk’s hypothesis is completely accurate, that humanity’s desire for evolution gave rise to the possibility of Devil Fruits? Earlier, I mentioned the Shandians’ connection to the holy white trees. What if those who longed for new forms or powers had their souls drawn to the tree after death?

I believe it to be the Sunlight Tree Eve because of its geographical location and the symbolism of its name, which is tied to the origins of creation and sin itself.

The world is divided by the Red Line, with Mariejois positioned at its center. The Sunlight Tree Eve absorbs sunlight and gives life to the world below.

The mural also depicts a tree with many branches bearing what appear to be fruits. These branches symbolize the many possible futures of humanity, while the fruit represents power.

This imagery aligns with Vegapunk’s hypothesis on the origins of Devil Fruits. And if the Forest God was the one who planted that tree, then perhaps they alone hold dominion over these “devil” fruits and the powers tied to them.

There’s also the question of origin. Early on, the idea of Devil Fruits growing from trees, like the “Gum-Gum Tree,” was suggested but later dropped by Oda. However, he often revisits discarded concepts in new forms. The Forest God could be a way to reintroduce that idea, with fruits as literal products of a divine tree.

Fish-Man Island also lies beneath the Red Line, implying that the Eve Tree extends upward above it. Its upper reaches are likely connected to Mariejois, as the Flower Room is filled with branches that seem to seep through the walls, creating the impression that nature itself has overtaken and consumed the chamber.

This might be a bit of a reach, but I think the names of the 4 Gods can be distinguished through different expressions of emotion.

Luffy’s grin can be translated as Nika, the Sun God tied to joy and laughter. Meanwhile, “Zaza” is a Japanese onomatopoeia used to describe the sound of pouring rain, but it also sounds like “jaja,” the Spanish equivalent of “haha,” again connecting back to laughter and emotional expression.

Because of that, it’s possible that the Forest and the Earth God may also have names linked to specific emotions or emotional states.

What makes this idea even more interesting is the musical identity attached to these figures. Nika, Imu, and even Zaza are all accompanied by distinct sound effects, rhythms, or musical motifs whenever they appear. It feels strangely musical, almost as if certain characters embody specific emotional “tones.”

There’s also the fact that Joyboy left behind a tale filled with laughter which concord Roger to name the final island “Laugh Tale.” Altogether, it feels like laughter, rhythm, and emotion may be deeply tied to the mythology surrounding the Gods and the true history of the world.

Honorable mention: Binks' sake

What if Devil Fruit users were cursed by the Sea God, Poseidon?

In Greek mythology, Poseidon is the God of the sea. He was famously known as the “Earth Shaker” for his ability to cause earthquakes and tsunamis, creating an interesting link between Poseidon and the Earth God.

The sea is naturally his domain.

Poseidon is often portrayed as moody and vindictive in mythology. He frequently punished mortals who offended him, harmed his children, or acted with arrogance. These punishments usually took the form of prolonged suffering, curses, unnatural afflictions, or devastating storms at sea. This aligns well with Poseidon in One Piece being one of the Ancient Weapons, a force capable of destroying the world.

Yet Poseidon also has a benevolent side. In many myths, he aids heroes, protects sailors, and grants safe passage across the seas. This mirrors Poseidon’s original purpose in One Piece; to command the Sea Kings, raise Noah to the surface, and fulfill a destined role.

To command such beings is to wield a force that can save countless lives when guided by love, or bring ruin to the world when driven by malice.

“Man killed the Sun and became Gods. The Sea God rampaged.”

The previous Mermaid Princess was close to Joyboy, and in her rage, she may have cursed Imu. That curse could then have spread to all Devil Fruit users as a shared affliction. This would explain their inability to swim and their weakness to the sea.

According to Vegapunk, the current world consists of the remnants of continents that sank beneath the ocean. He also theorised that multiple continents once existed, implying the world originally had far more land than sea.

During the Void Century, the Ancient Weapons had devastated the land, allowing the ocean to swallow much of it. This would explain Poseidon’s dominion over the world; in a world now ruled by water, her power would hold unmatched influence.

Perhaps this is why they made their home at the world’s highest elevation, not only symbolically, but to remain as far from the sea as possible. It may also explain the construction of elevated structures like Tequila Wolf.

Speaking of curses, we know the Kitetsu blades are all considered cursed. But what if the curse originated with the original blade, the Shodai Kitetsu, and was then inherited by the later generations? The Nidai Kitetsu may have carried that curse because it was forged in the Shodai’s image, while the Sandai was an imitation of the Nidai. Considering the Shodai Kitetsu is currently wielded by Nusjuro, it hardly feels like a coincidence. This contributes to my understanding of how the devil fruit users are cursed by the sea and it all stems from Imu.

Perhaps this is why they made their home at the world’s highest elevation, not only symbolically, but to remain as far from the sea as possible. It may also explain the construction of elevated structures like Tequila Wolf.

The Five Elders’ fears may not be misplaced either. The closer Imu is to the sea, the weaker he seems to become, which could explain why he coughed blood immediately after teleporting to Elbaph.

Devon’s words also gain new meaning, since the Elders’ presence in the surface world is almost unheard of. This may be due to their status as the highest authority, or their dismissive view of humans and the surface world in general. However, even the smallest detail matters, as it may build onto something much grander...

Another possibility lies in the covenants. Their names may carry connections to the sea, for example, the Abyssal Seal, evoking the deep-deep sea. If so, these powers may affect the Elders as well due to their closeness to Imu, though to a lesser extent. That would explain why their concern appears genuine.

This could also explain the necessity of the Marines, not merely as the public face of the World Government, but as a subsidiary military force operating on the surface in service of Imu’s interests.

The Forest God may be the being responsible for creating the tree that bore the Devil Fruits. It’s similar to how, in real life, a person can plant and nurture a tree, yet the tree itself is what ultimately bears fruit. That person holds the monopoly on the tree, especially the fruits, whether they eat, give or sell.

In this sense, the Forest God created the source, but the fruits developed their own existence.

The Sunlight Tree Eve is said to absorb sunlight and channel it deep beneath the ocean, bringing both light and life to Fish-Man Island. This connection between sunlight, life, and the deep sea could symbolically tie into the origins of Devil Fruits.

According to Vegapunk’s hypothesis, Devil Fruits are born from mankind’s desires and dreams. If humanity once prayed to the Sun, this could have hypothetically given rise to fruits connected to figures such as Nika, the Earth God, and the Hellfire Serpent.

Since Devil Fruits are said to possess a will of their own, they may have been able to evade the Forest God’s control and travel toward those they were destined to find.

The Forest God is also said to have the power to tame demons. Metaphorically, this could mean having dominion over the fruits from the tree, and the devils residing inside them. Yet, just as fruit can naturally fall from a tree, some may have slipped beyond that control, possibly allowing Nika’s fruit to escape the Forest God’s grasp.

Biblical Similarities in One Piece

The Flower Room can be seen as similar to the Garden of Eden. In the Bible, God created Adam and Eve in his image. The serpent tempted Eve into eating the forbidden fruit. She then gave it to Adam, and this caused the fall of humanity. They became aware of themselves and felt separated from God.

This loosely connects to Devil Fruits in One Piece. Many people believed myths surrounding them, but later some of these beliefs were scientifically proven wrong. This creates an interesting contrast between superstition and science. It can reflect the real world clash between religious belief and scientific understanding.

For example, some believed devils resided inside the fruits, or that if an ability user is within the close proximity of another devil fruit, the devils would fight each other causing the person to explode i.e. Jabra is a funny ass dude.

The Old Testament and the book of Genesis can be compared to an old Devil Fruit encyclopedia and the newly revised one called the "Genesis."

The Treasure Tree Adam and the Sunlight Tree Eve also add to the biblical symbolism through their names.

Kuma carrying a Bible is connected to his past. His family ran a church, and Kuma used to wear a pastor-like outfit. However, the book seems more like a travel log or personal diary than a holy text.

Kuma also believed in the legend of Sun God Nika, the Warrior of Liberation who frees slaves and brings joy. Even after suffering as a slave, Kuma kept faith in Nika and passed that belief to Bonney. He likely came to see Luffy as the one who would fulfill that hope.

Everything Is Preordained

Luffy can be seen as the second coming of Joyboy. The world has awaited for Joyboy’s return, similar to how Christians wait for the return of Jesus, and he will fulfill prophecy amongst many others.

Luffy’s defeat against Kaido, followed by his return through awakening his Devil Fruit, mirrors resurrection imagery. His revival represents the coming of a new dawn.

God, the Devil, and the Serpent

The Antichrist is widely understood as the antithesis of Jesus Christ, a human figure empowered by Satan to stand in direct opposition to him. Sound familiar?

Imu appears to serve as the inverse of Luffy and everything he represents. My theory is that Imu embodies both the Earth God and the Forest God, standing in direct opposition to the Sun God, Nika.

The name "Nerona Imu" is thought to be inspired by the Roman Emperor Nero, who was historically believed by some early Christians to be the Antichrist.

The False Prophet, meanwhile, is often described as either an individual or a collective of leaders who spread false narratives for manipulative ends. This parallels the Gorosei, the so-called highest authority in the world, demonic in nature and responsible for maintaining control through misinformation, all to preserve their oppressive rule.

The Straw Hats as the Apostles

Luffy originally said he wanted around ten crew members besides himself. There are currently nine official members, and characters like Vivi, Yamato, or Loki are often discussed as possible future additions. If the total became twelve, it would mirror Jesus and his twelve apostles.

Each Straw Hat has a special role and left their old life behind to follow Luffy, similar to how the apostles followed Jesus. Their bond is built on loyalty, sacrifice, unity, and unconditional support.

The apostles later traveled the world to spread Jesus’ message. In a similar way, Kuma sent the Straw Hats across the world during Sabaody, where each member grew stronger. They later reunited and continued on with their journey.

Each Straw Hat has devoted their life to helping Luffy achieve his dream. They may also help reveal the truth of the world.

Luffy will usher in a new era of piracy based on freedom instead of oppression.

The fire of revolution is spreading across the world, sparked by the return of Nika.

Satan’s “I will” statement

His rebellion was fueled by pride and an intense desire to overthrow God’s authority, seize his throne, and rule over all creation.

In a similar way, Imu can be seen as a usurper. He appears to have displaced the Lunarians and established his dominion over what was once called the Land of Gods.

In another sense, he also usurped the legacy of Davy Jones by claiming the title and position that Rocks believed belonged to the true “King of the World.”

Mariejois itself stands at the highest elevation in the world, positioned at or above the clouds. There, Imu alone sits upon the Empty Throne, while a select group around him revere him as a Godlike figure.

Book of revelation

The number 13 is often viewed as ominous or unlucky, and this symbolism can be meaningfully tied to themes in Book of Revelation. In revelation 13, two beasts appear; the beast from the sea, commonly associated with the Antichrist, and the beast from the earth, often interpreted as the false prophet. Together, they form part of an “unholy trinity,” a dark inversion of the divine Trinity.

In this context, Imu can be seen as a symbolic embodiment of that inversion. Rather than representing a single role, Imu combines all aspects of the unholy trinity into one figure, effectively acting as Satan, the Antichrist, and the false prophet simultaneously. This positions Imu as a complete opposite to divine order, mirroring and distorting it. Through this lens, Imu’s power, possibly linked to a Devil Fruit, extends outward to the Gorosei, who function as vessels or extensions of that authority.

"The greatest trick the Devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist"

The number 13 also carries additional symbolic weight. It can represent covenants or chosen groups. Both the depths and abyssal covenants being limited to 13 individuals reinforces this idea of a select but corrupted order. Biblically, while there were originally 12 apostles, the replacement of Judas brings the total to 13, which can be understood as a small break in divine symmetry, reinforcing the idea of inversion.

This ties into the concept of the “mark.” In Revelation 13, the mark of the beast grants temporary ease and acceptance within society, while those who reject it face persecution. Similarly, the “mark of the abyss” grants convenience such as teleportation, undying body, abnormal strength, while not exactly marked, people that are forced into diabolical covenants are granted almost same convenience but they take a lifeform of demons instead.

Those who refused the mark are persecuted and often face death, including decapitation. Interestingly, this parallels the idea that domi reversi can be undone through death, including decapitation, suggesting a form of release or purification. This connects back to the contrast between Imu and Luffy and the Nika symbolism, where death or sacrifice may represent liberation rather than defeat.

The Wager

God and the Devil are engaged in a constant struggle over humanity’s souls. Rather than a true wager, it is a challenge of faith and loyalty, as seen in the story of Job, where Satan questions human devotion to God. Satan cannot act directly, only through temptation and influence, much like demons whisper while angels guide.

This mirrors how Imu issues commands while the Elders carry out those orders, serving as instruments of a higher will. They employ both the Marines and Cipher Pol to air their dirty laundry, maintaining order and continuing the oppression of the lower world while avoiding direct involvement themselves. They are also responsible for making anyone with knowledge of Nika "disappear."

The Consequences

Satan is fully aware of his fate of being cast into the eternal lake of fire. Driven by hatred, pride, and envy, he seeks to corrupt humanity and drag as many souls down with him as possible.

Similarly, everything seems preordained, from Joyboy’s return to the events yet to unfold. Perhaps this is why Imu had sought to erase the echoes of the past; entire races, bloodlines, and civilizations, among many others. Yet, fate cannot be defied, nor can destiny be escaped.

Another consequences would be the eventual flooding of the entire World to remove any unnecessary obstacles and hit the hard reset.

Many artists portray God and the Devil playing chess as a symbol of humanity’s struggle between good and evil, with each piece representing a human soul. Pieces captured by Satan symbolise those led astray by temptation and worldly desires, while God’s pieces represent those who rediscovered faith and found redemption. Many people who once renounced God or pursued darker paths later claimed to find salvation through Jesus Christ and devoted their lives to sharing that transformation.

Though Satan may seem to gain ground during the game, Christian belief holds that he is ultimately defeated. The second coming of Christ represents the final checkmate; Satan and his followers will face judgment, while God’s faithful are welcomed into heaven.

Similarly the world represents a board.

Just like how the "wager" between God and the Devil is on a standstill, so is the war from 800 years ago until they started making moves again.

Each side is making its move one step at a time, as though the world itself is part of a massive chess match awaiting its inevitable checkmate. We still do not know what drove Emeth to attack Mariejois 200 years ago, but I would still consider it a significant “move” on the board, one that will hopefully be explored further in the future.

The World Government honestly feels like one massive chessboard controlled by Imu. The Holy Knights seem to represent pawns while the Gorosei represent the higher ranking pieces: two rooks, two bishops, and two knights. What makes this parallel even more interesting is Garling, originally a "pawn," being promoted to the rank of an Elder, meaning there were six at one point, or at the very least six identities tied to those positions that we are currently aware of. And just like in chess, Imu had no issue sacrificing one of his own pieces when Saturn was discarded.

Imu himself perfectly embodies the King piece too; from the Empty Throne to down to his silhouette. But the most suspicious absence is the Queen. In chess, the Queen is the most valuable piece beside the King, and in One Piece, Lili mysteriously vanished from history. Now it almost seems like Imu is attempting to replace that missing Queen with Vivi. Totaling the chess pieces to 16 just like in a game of chess.

Dishonorable mention: Kong

The black and white symbolism throughout the World Government also supports this idea. White is traditionally associated with purity, justice, and goodness, while black is linked to secrecy, death, and evil. The World Government prominently uses both colors, though black appears far more significant beneath the surface. White is worn by the Celestial Dragons, people who are completely ignorant of the truth and genuinely believe they are righteous Gods above humanity. Meanwhile, black surrounds Imu and the people closest to the truth i.e. black robes, black suits, black flames, silhouette, abyss etc. Unlike the other Celestial Dragons, they are fully aware about the history, the consequences of their actions, and the reality of the world they rule over. It almost feels as if Imu flipped the chessboard centuries ago and rewrote the narrative.

This black and white duality also extend towards those under them like the Marines and Cipher Pols. The Marines embody the white aspects of the system; good, justice, protection, maintaining order and enforcing law, especially since they serve as the "public face" of the WG. In contrast, the Cipher Pol represents its darker side through its methods; espionage, intelligence gathering, absolution, assassination, and other covert operations.

Board gains more significance when:

During Wano, CP0 agents used a Go board to assess and track the shifting power dynamics during raid, fundamentally a war to reclaim back Wano.

Reversi board is portrayed as symbolism of flipping, fundamentally another war that serves to reclaim Elbaph from foreign invaders.

I noticed that the mural depicts 16 different factions opposing Imu. I’m not counting the "fish," however, since they appear to be an extension of Poseidon’s power rather than a separate side.

The same can be said for Blackbeard, his Ten Titanic Captains, and the rest of his crew, bringing the total to 16. This could include members such as Stronger, Kikipatsu, Maki, Tori, and Camel, though they could just as easily be replaced by any affiliated pirates, including the inhabitants of Pirate Island.

Further Connection

There may be a correlation between Zunesha’s crime and Imu, which could explain why Zunesha was condemned to wander the seas for eternity. The punishment is so absolute that Zunesha even required permission just to retaliate against Jack’s attack.

Perhaps, Imu used "reversi" or metaphorically turned Zunesha against Joyboy, making Zunesha complicit in Joyboy’s death. This may mirror how Akainu manipulated Squard during Marineford. Thematically, it also parallels Cain’s punishment in the Bible. He was condemned to wander eternally after killing his brother Abel out of jealousy and spite.

The world itself has been waiting for Joyboy’s return. The oppressed search for Nika. Alber believed Joyboy is a figure of immense strength that can shape the world. Oden wanted to "open" Wano in preparation for Joyboy's arrival. The two sovereign. And his return is tied to prophecy, a promise and hope.

Meanwhile, Imu sits upon a throne that was never rightfully his, ruling the world from the shadows, much like the devil occupying the spotlight before an inevitable fall. His defeat will likely come through Joyboy's return. In doing so, Joyboy may destroy the Red Line, a symbol of division and oppression, and unite the seas into one. It may not be a coincidence that the first half of the Grand Line is called "Paradise," but also due to obvious reason. By the end of the story, perhaps the entire world will become a paradise, a sea where all people are free, and the separated islands are united once more into a single landmass, echoing the world of ancient times.

I also believe Joyboy was fully aware of his eventual death. Like Jesus, he did not resist fate, instead he accepted it. However, he still sought to preserve the truth for the future through the poneglyphs, the ancient weapons for the future use, the promise etc. This would explain his "apology" back in fmi, and what One Piece truly is. It is even more evident considering what Roger said; they had simply arrived too early.

Imu appears to have a deep-rooted connection to Nidhogg. More precisely, the Earth God’s connection to it goes back to the time of the First World. I propose that Nidhogg is THE hellfire serpent, a perspective I will explore further in the mythological analysis below. In Elbaph, there exists a legend of a War God capable of transforming into a great dragon, one that stood in direct opposition to the Sun God. Harley’s account reinforces this by describing a time when both figures fought side by side against Nika.

This ties into common symbolism, where Satan is often depicted as a dragon. We still haven't seen Imu's beast form, but there is a panel where a massive, ominous silhouette is shown looming over the Empty Throne. This closely mirrors the image of a dragon overshadowing the huge tree in the mural, suggesting a deliberate parallel.

The Celestial Dragons descend from nineteen of the original twenty founders, all of whom pledged allegiance to Imu, the hidden sovereign of the world. This positions them as his direct subjects, inheriting not just authority but possibly elements of his ideology and symbolism.

Their fixation on dragons may stem from this origin. At Punk Hazard, their fascination is so pronounced that they even named one of the dragons. 13 is a recurring number here considering it was called Dragon Number Thirteen. Not necessarily its name, fyi.

Further reinforcing this theme is the symbol of the World Nobles, the “Hoof of the Soaring Dragon,” which resembles a dragon’s foot. Slaves in the Holy Land are branded with this mark to show ownership. This could suggest a deeper connection. Imu may have once had a personal relationship with Nidhogg, either as a companion or something he controlled. His reaction to seeing Nidhogg again hints that their past was important and not forgotten.

Mythological parallels

Nidhogg is a powerful serpent or dragon in Norse mythology that gnaws at the roots of the world tree, Yggdrasil. Helheim is often considered part of Niflheim, the realm tied to death and the underworld.

This connects closely to Loki, who was chained beneath the Treasure Tree Adam in the underworld. Similarly, Yggdrasil is supported by three great roots stretching into different realms: Asgard, Jotunheim, and Niflheim. This mirrors the Adam Tree in Elbaph, a massive ancient tree that sustains the Warland Kingdom through its three layers: the heaven realm, the sun realm, and the underworld.

Mariejois, once known as the "Land of Gods," and the Land of Gods itself, a miniature reflection of Elbaph, with Yggdrasil at its central focus, which was built and ruled by Road, share striking similarities. Among them are the symbolic ties between Adam and Eve, feature castles and temples, and are ruled by a supreme “Godly” figure. Even the Five Guardians closely mirrors the Elders, specifically their roles during Egghead; stopping anyone from escaping the diorama is basically the elders trying to prevent Joyboy’s escape, and ultimately losing one of their own.

Wano’s walls also seem unnatural. Since Pluton, named after the Roman God of the underworld, is tied to the opening of Wano’s borders, it’s possible the weapon was used to create those walls in the first place. In the same vein, Nidhogg, who has ties to the underworld, may have been responsible for the Red Line.

In most fiction, dragons often shed scales over time. The Red Line could symbolically be the remains or scales of a massive serpent, causing the world to divide, therefore it would make the Earth God's rule easier to manage and less demanding while overseeing everything from the center i.e. divide and conquer.

This may explain why the Giants call the Red Line the “blood-soaked serpent,” possibly referring to its corpse after the Earth God became consumed by power.

Jormungandr, the World Serpent of Norse mythology, is another important parallel. As Loki’s son, he is so massive that he encircles the entire world. Loki’s connection to both Nidhogg and Jormungandr, underworld, along with prophecy and his serpent-like eyes, likely isn’t a coincidence.

Another hypothetical is since both figures are deeply rooted to the underworld. And if Pluton is confirmed to have created structures like Wano’s borders, then it is reasonable to think the Hellfire Serpent or Nidhogg might possess a similar-like ability, possibly even responsible for forming the Red Line. Both are also strongly associated with destruction in a literal sense...

Creation and destruction are deeply intertwined; destruction clears the path for new beginnings, while creation often demands the dismantling of what came before. In this sense, destruction itself becomes another form of creation.

It inverts Moses parting the Red Sea, with a Devil-like figure guiding the division of the world to control it.

Elbaph 'prediction'

“And they will surely meet.”

Imu’s time seems to be running out, and before it does, he wants to cause as much chaos as possible. Eventually, he defeats Loki and successfully “flips” him, bringing the hellfire serpent back under his control.

That marks the beginning of Ragnarök.

This is Luffy’s true test as an Emperor, mirroring Shanks in some ways. The same year Shanks became an Emperor was also the year he captured Loki, though the details are still unclear.

As the chaos spreads, the people of Elbaph flee to the Heaven Realm while Luffy and Loki fight. Their battle destroys the Sun Realm and leaves Elbaph in ruins.

In the end, Luffy “kills” Loki, freeing him from Domi Reversi. Loki finally realizes that Luffy is the true Nika, completely changing his view of the Sun God.

Together, they rise to the Heaven Realm, with the Sun God riding atop Nidhogg.

Nidhogg, the hellfire serpent, will ultimately change his allegiance this time and stand beside Nika, helping against the threat of the Earth God and the Forest God.

TL;DR, but not really:

This is admittedly a shot in the dark. While there are real-world parallels and implications, much of it is built on hypotheticals, though to be fair, that’s how most theories begin. Apologies if some points feel repetitive; I worked on different sections separately over the course of a month, which made the theory longer than originally intended. Still, I think it gets the point across.

I am going to condense everything and list it below:

• Imu may be the first individual to consume more than one Devil Fruit, potentially wielding multiple abilities simultaneously while also possessing the unique power to distribute those abilities to the Elders at will.
• There are numerous parallels between Enel and Imu. Enel pursued "Fairy Vearth," the so-called Endless Earth he believed was the moon, while Imu is associated with the "Earth" God.
• Nerona Imu may symbolically parallel the antichrist, a figure empowered by the devil's fruit (Satan) potentially tied to either the Earth God or the Forest God. The Biblical imagery surrounding Imu is extensive. At the same time, Imu also embodies the false prophet, with that authority extending through the Elders, who are publicly recognised as "the Highest Authority in the World."
• Imu’s connection to the Forest God is reflected in nearly every aspect of the character; the nature of their powers, their overarching motifs, their monopoly over Devil Fruits, the preservation of only the strongest abilities for loyal subordinates, the ability to bestow covenants or forcibly transform others into demonic entities, and their ties to the Sunlight Tree Eve and ancient history. Altogether, these elements evoke the mystique and authority of a Godlike figure.

[reef urchin]

Your final statement is the most conclusive. It’s truly now-or-never stakes for Usopp. Maybe not death, but at the very least a defining moment — and I’m hoping Luffy is the one who pushes him into it so he can finally prove himself once and for all.

As the sniper of the Straw Hats, this should be the arc where Usopp lands a critical shot in a moment that demands he stand ten toes fucking down with zero hesitation. If it doesn’t happen here, I’m officially selling all stock in this character — and rightfully so.

Because I’m still fuming at the straight-up character deterioration Toei has put him through. For God’s sake, are they about to pull an MJ with the live-action actor next?

[last estuary]

• Bound by a shared affliction. If Imu embodies the Forest God and serves as the progenitor of Devil Fruits, then the curse being inherited makes sense, especially if the original purpose of the curse was to target Imu himself. In that context, the idea that “Devil Fruits are the incarnation of the Sea Devil” takes on a more literal meaning; the curse spreads to anyone who ate the Devil Fruit.
• I feel like this curse is strongly present with Imu through proximity to water hence why he resides at the highest elevation, among other reasons. Their fear for Zaza also feels justified because not only do they embody his authority and symbolism, but also his "fear," something multiple characters have pointed out. This interpretation makes even more sense when you consider that they live above the clouds and would naturally fear rain, especially as Devil Fruit users. It also ties back to the SBS where Oda has stated that ability users are susceptible to all types of water, not just sea water.
• There also appears to be a strong sense of duality surrounding Imu, almost reminiscent of the split nature seen in Cavendish and Hakuba.
• Preservation seems deeply tied to the ancient world. Joyboy sought to preserve the Ancient Weapons, Lili was responsible for scattering the Poneglyphs, and everything lost beneath the sea is associated with Davy Jones. Imu and the Void may function similarly, with Imu seemingly capable of manifesting weapons or preserving weapons through unnatural means.
• Blackbeard shares striking parallels with Imu. His black hole and liberation mirror similar thematic concepts. His inability to become intangible may subtly imply that his power originates from Imu or a related source. Unlike traditional Logias, Blackbeard remains vulnerable to attacks and suffers amplified pain because of his fruit’s drawback. Imu, by contrast, appears capable of granting an undying body and their astral blob-like form behaves much more like a true Logia state, rendering them physically immune to harm.
• BB is Imu's natural counter to his devil's fruit.
• The origin of the Red Line may also connect to Imu. While Nidhogg is already colossal, it is possible that being empowered by Imu's omen caused it to grow large enough to encircle the entire world, with its corpse eventually becoming the Red Line itself.
• The CDs inherited his authority and symbolism. This transition into their mark and their infatuation with Dragons, from Dragon no. 13 in Punk Hazard to Nidhogg from the mythical era. It also reinforces the thematic contrast between Nika and Imu. The sun symbolises freedom and liberation, opposing the CD's mark itself, as seen through characters like Koala, whose sun tattoo represented freedom from enslavement.
• Fate appears fundamentally intertwined throughout the story. A single action creates ripple effects that eventually circle back to Imu. Dragon’s actions indirectly saved Shanks, who later saved Luffy, setting into motion the chain of events that shaped the modern era. Nearly every major figure seems interconnected through prophecy, inherited will or ancient history, all roads ultimately leading back to Imu.
• Finally, the “Gods” shares a strange rhythmic sound connected to their presence and powers.

THE END.

[cold maple]

True he needs his moment

[sonic ruin]

About the personality and environment change of devil fruit users, at least the awakened ones, I have some points to discuss.
The mural tells us that mankind "succumbed to greed and touched the forbidden sun", an obvious parallel with Icarus. Even before this sentence, Harley states that fire was already present(symbolism to energy, magic and god). My interpretation from this is that human powers were not always present, something or someone bargained devil fruits with this power that was already present in the world and that most now believe were the first world "gods".

I think there's some stuff that still represents "fire" in their world, in this ancestral sense: the One Piece and the ancestral weapons. What if the One Piece is capable of extending this environment change of awakened devil fruits to a much bigger scale? This would explain why it's being kept in secrecy and how humans achieved so much 800 years ago. If Vegapunk could extend his devil fruit to a whole society, their advance technology would not be that weird. Also the flooding , red line, all possible if someone was extending devil fruit powers to the whole world.

I personally believe OP is smt like that since the awakening of devil fruits was shown, and I feel most we hear about the ancient world, more it points to this direction. I also believes this would explain why Roger journey was not "succesful" in a way, cause they reached OP without any relevant DF user with them. They could brought Buggy but they decided not to. So they tried to lead the better DF user possible to this "catalyzer", with hope to change the world to the better.

Vegapunk ends his message saying that the destiny of the world will be decided by whoever gets the One Piece. If the One Piece is something of world-changing capabilities, it must triumph even against the ancient weapons, or at least against the one in possession of current WG.

[livid notch]

My theory is that Shanks will return to Elebaf and fight the Holy Knights and Imu and give Luffy and the others a chance to escape.

before that, Robin will find the last of the road poneglyphs and Nami will calculate the location of one piece

so they will go looking for one piece

When they reach the Laugh tale, Blackbeard will already be there.

The Straw Hat crew will clash with the Blackbeard crew.

after a long fight, Luffy's crew will win and Luffy will find one piece

but the marines will follow Luffy and his crew and intercept them because they will be tired of fighting Blackbeard, Luffy will surrender to the marines in exchange for leaving his crew alone.

On the day of Luffy's execution, the Straw Hat Pirates and all those who voluntarily follow them (Straw Hat Fleet, Wano Kingdom, Elebaf Warriors, and others) will announce the end of the new Marine Fortress and attack it.

all seraphim will be there instead of seven warlords of the sea

and the new three admirals plus Akainu

In the end, they will manage to free Luffy, who will fight Akainu and all the remaining marines and put an end to the marines.

Imu will want to take revenge on Joyboy, so he will kill Luffy, and he will lure him by showing him in his mind that he has Vivi as a hostage.

This is how the fight between Luffy and Imu will unfold.

[last estuary]

Can we discuss this in dm?

[scarlet moth]

Saint Killingham and his MMA creation Zaza flooding the village in Chapter 1182.

Remember Skypiea? The Shandians straight up said they sacrificed people to four specific deities: the Sun God, Rain God, Forest God, and Earth God. And we already know Luffy is Nika, the Sun God. And now we see a world noble casually summoning “Zaza, the Rain Goddess” like a Pokemon battle move?

What if those four gods weren’t just myths? What if they were real, living entities from the Ancient Kingdom?

I’m thinking the Twenty Kingdoms won the Void Century war by capturing and enslaving three of those gods. They turned them into the World Government’s own living weapons or maybe that’s what the Ancient Weapons actually are. Nika was the only one who got away by turning his soul into a roaming Devil Fruit that they could never fully capture.

If Killingham’s family literally owns the Rain Goddess, then you know the other Holy Knights or the Gorosei are hiding the Forest and Earth gods somewhere. That means the final war isn’t just a regular battle. Luffy’s going to have to straight-up free his fellow primordial gods from the World Government.

[glad osprey]

No its sabo vs akainu

[cloud wing]

CASE STUDY ON KIZARU’S DEVIL FRUIT POWERS (PIKA PIKA NO MI):

As we all know, Kizaru possesses the power of the pika pika no mi (light light/glint glint fruit). This fruit allows him to “convert” his body into light and move freely while transformed.
According to the general theory of relativity, any object with mass that is moving at the speed of light experiences time dilation; hence, since Kizaru is able to move at the speed of light and clearly has mass because he exerts a force when he kicks, Kizaru is theoretically capable of time travel. Time dilation at the speed of light is different from sub-light speeds; time would completely stop for him, and he would be capable of what can practically be described as teleportation, the entire plane of movement would compress into one point. i'm gay, and time completely stops for him. When moving at light speed, he would also experience time differently, for example, if he stayed at light speed for a few months, hundreds of years may have passed for everyone else. Time travel to the past isn't explainable with conventional physics, but if an object moves faster than light, it breaks all laws, and it's impossible to tell what happens.

DF LIMITATIONS THEORY:
this is why I think kizaru isn't able to move at light speed (3*10^8 ms) because if he did, even with the slightest mass (which he is confirmed to have because he exerts a force) the impact would be catastrophic so it won't make sense for him to be throwing around light speed kicks everywhere, if done at real light speed with a definite mass, each kick would be equivalent of multiple nukes

PS im assuming that his brain still operates as that of a normal human since devil fruits arent really shown to impact cognitive ability except in cases of awakened zoans, if not the mental strain of using his fruit also has to be taken into account, but I ain't got time for that.

[tulip cobalt]

I got completely lost but the random "I'm gay" snicked inside the text made me laugh xD

[cloud wing]

shit i forgot to edit that out

[warm canyon]

Damn u really did ur research

[runic mist]

What haopena if loki will awaken the gallaiea giants, (the ones we see in punk hazard) and loki will use ragnir because ot has the power to freeze and unfreeze things, and when we first saw Aokijis abilities we saw he froze robin and when chopper unfroze her she was still alive,

and loki will do smth similar to the giants to, them they will maybe build smth that can counter imus attacks.

[clear stone]

Breaking News: "The strongest theory humanity has ever known about the true nature of the Joy Boy War is... Okay, let's build a 'heavy' theory and connect everything logically: The big idea: All these elements—Zunesha, Joy Boy, the Ancient Weapons, the Red Line—are part of an ancient plan to liberate the world and unite the seas. The beginning: The Void Century in the past: There was a 'Great Kingdom' and Joy Boy was the leader of the 'Liberating the World' idea. His plan was: to destroy the Red Line, unite the seas, and create a free world without barriers. The role of the Ancient Weapons: Pluto → direct destruction (firepower), Poseidon → control of the Sea Kings (draging/moving islands), Uranus → (most likely) a destructive celestial power. Together = the ability to completely destroy the Red Line. The role of Zunesha (surprise): Zunesha wasn't just an elephant."

[tired shore]

The way brook is describing gunko as like theve seen 3 different people in her. Could be similar to how imu and even more so how blackbeard works

[raw scarab]

!theories

[lone hedge]

Please refrain from using manga-theories for joke theories, casual chit-chat, power scaling, bounty predictions or low-effort memes. This channel is for serious discussion- please read the channel description. Posts here must be in paragraph form, preferably with evidence, not just a one line open question.

[worthy current]

man cmon my theory wasnt that bad was it

[raw scarab]

It wasnt really a theory, it was more like a couple of questions. I would refrain from just posting questions, and more on 'I have an idea, and here is why I made the link.'

[lusty barn]

what if lily was the og kuja and married joyboy, that made imu mad, and stuff like shakky and hancock being overglazed is weird, and maybe thats why hancock fell for luffy she also said she can feel the string of destiny connecting both
and she comes from amazon LILY

[drifting nymph]

but then why would the nefeltari dynasty run alabasta instead of amazon lily

[novel thistle]

why not vivi then

[lusty barn]

because alabasta is their home, amazon lily could be just the place where lily was killed or chilled there to hide

[lusty barn]

why not ace instead of luffy ahh

i really think that imu lost lily to joyboy and that D means dawn (most obvious) and that oda hinted this whole lore by just the name of the first chapter "romance dawn" weird name for a chapter while there is barely romance in one piece

[subtle crag]

What if luffy doesnt have full control over the nika fruit
We know zoans have a will of their own and if the zoans will os strong enough then a failed awakening may occur. I think luffy originally had the gum gum fruit but then awakened it into the sun god nika devil fruit, but luffys will isnt strong enough atm to fully take control, this pushes luffys personality into a more joyful one
But, when he faces imu his strongest adversary yet, both in terms of ideals and strength i think luffy will have a realisation about how he isn't acting like himself and potentially becoming enraged and his will strengthening until he takes control
We know zoan fruits usually have 2 forms a full and hybrid zoan form. I think we've only seen liffys full zoan form, and while facing imu he will transform into his hybrid form and start acting more serious during battles like he used to

[solar hedge]

Kaido puts forward that an awakening happens when the mind and body catch up to the fruit's powers. From that angle it sounds like a person who's awakened their fruit has already hit a point where they can bring out its full potential. The body can handle the full force, and the mind can think of how best to utilize it.

I do like the idea of Luffy realizing his behavior is being modified by the fruit in some way. There's been plenty of jokes made about him laughing while Vegapunk died. However Luffy losing agency when awakened kind of flies in the face of the idea that in that moment his mind and body are aligned with the fruit's.

There is a lot to be explored on Luffy's fruit being a Mythical Zoan and how it compares to normal ones. Do the mythical fruits follow their own logic to the point that some don't even have alternate forms, so Luffy might just always be in a hybridized base mode? Marco's shown the ability to use his phoenix fire while in his human form, so Luffy being stretchy like Nika lines up well, but Marco's fire is stated to be from mastery of his fruit and Luffy was stretchy long before he awakened or even really put much thought into his abilities. It was just an immediate, involuntary effect of the fruit.

As a crackpot theory, there's always the 2-4 Gears as hybrid forms. If Chopper adds forms by modifying the wavelength of his own fruit, and Luffy's is all about being rubber-like, perhaps his sheer will is bending his wavelength into a shape he wants. Until he eventually hit a point where he could grab hold of the wavelength of his own fruit and shape it like an elastic band into whatever he needed for the moment.

[dark palm]

he raised her for like, two years. Denjiro was the one who mostly raised her

[light pond]

That is a stupid theory in every sense and there are many loopholes to it and that would be super farfetched

[austere sandal]

From the wiki

[livid dune]

at least from this translation we now have a better idea of who this might be

[rain crag]

It is not devon
Bb read the news and we all know wano is closed off so bb is obviously going to steal sabo's fruit
No reason for devon to be here

[livid dune]

Kawamatsu saw the silhouette no doubt, it had to be someone they know, and it had to be someone who's not alive

[dark palm]

ah, still though, she was a child when she showed up on denjiro's doorstep

[quick rain]

Is Onimaru still alive then it might be him and hiyori

[livid dune]

so it can't be kanjuro or onimaru

[dark palm]

onimaru is alive, yes

[austere sandal]

Yeah thats probably a big reason why

[dark palm]

the silhouette is not necessarily the one projecting the oden thing

in fact, I'd say they're completely different

[ancient vault]

Kawa also doesnt know of hiyoris healing powers unlike with Toki I believe

[austere sandal]

I kinda do hope Onimaru is there cause he seems really fucking strong and I want to see more of his strength

[livid dune]

the biggest hint is from kawamatsu's line, kawamatsu's line of dialogue is the biggest hint for the silhouette
the silhouette is important because in some ways it has to be connected with this "oden", even though oden is not the silhouette itself

[ancient vault]

Toki had been taking care of the citizens together with the scabbards

[dark palm]

want to see my theory nigma?

[rain crag]

Is there any way we actually find out who it is even in the next chapter?

[dark palm]

I think we'll find out next chapter, yes

[ancient vault]

It has tl be next chapter

If it isnt this is literally just strsight up torture

[livid dune]

@dark palm did your theory change or something?

[dark palm]

no

wasn't sure if you saw it before

[austere sandal]

I don't think they'll leave this off. I think we start with a bit of Sanji, then usopp/nami and then at the end they elaborate on the Oden stuff some more next chapter.

[thick sky]

do you think oda would stop this chaos in just 1 chapter time @ancient vault

[rain crag]

Nigma is dota team dude called him nigma lol

[livid dune]

the silhouette can only be either hiyori or toki now, the way kawamatsu described it

[quick rain]

yeah that fits much better specially when he said" i was hoping our paths would cross again"

[dark palm]

yep

hiyori + onimaru works best

[light pond]

Oda would be evil of he returns to the roof next chapter

[rain crag]

Imagine we are just left hanging with 3 unanswered stuff
Kaido hybrid the first silhoutte and now who is Oden and then next chapter we start off with Jimbei Franky fights which will take forever xD

[quick rain]

but goddamnnn mr tanukai really was done with the shit xD

[light pond]

Btw i support juba's theory

[quick rain]

yeah I too switch to that now

[dark palm]

I think this cliffhanger is too much of an emotional high to be left unanswered

[river raven]

it's obviously bon clay

[dark palm]

it's like if Oda didn't show hyou this chapter

[rain crag]

I mean yeah the last time we saw onimaru was when zoro got enma and he just left transformed into a fox with no further explanatiob

[thick sky]

we still have rooftop, usopp, nami, sanji and franky not shown for a long time. he'd probably switch to that for 2-3 chapters

[dark palm]

probably went to his master's grave

[quick rain]

but do foxes live that long tho ???

[broken mica]

I like you

[dark palm]

I mean, it's one piece lol

[rotund scaffold]

can you discuss theories about chapter 1007 here ?

[dark palm]

yep kira

[light pond]

This is a serious theory page dont troll cause we all know this is stupid

[broken mica]

Mythical ones that can transform into humans certainly could

[rotund scaffold]

okay, how TF is Oden back then? any ideas?

[thick sky]

kitsune's lifespan is of 1500 years according to folklores

[quick rain]

ohhh

[deft remnant]

Would kawamatsu overreact that way if it was hiyori?

[brazen lantern]

Wtffff

[quick rain]

but what purpose could he have to appear here ??

[brazen lantern]

How tf is oden still alive

[loud sonnet]

yeah i dont think totally has to be toki and oden he saw by his eyes

[broken mica]

Also @dark palm to your theory i wanted to add the similar mist created when foxes transform, as opposed to a mist-less devil fruit transformztion

[rotund scaffold]

can someone explain again how oden is back

[brazen lantern]

If oden can comeback from the dead I want ace back

[dark palm]

yep, the smoke appears

[loud sonnet]

we all want to know

[dark palm]

and it seems to have rolled in from the hallway

[rotund scaffold]

ikr

[quick rain]

also kawamatsu says it seemed a familiar face he might be refering to the time he fought zoro and hiyori was just there

[light pond]

We dont know yet but multiple theory atm

[broken mica]

(Also that we're in one piece's japan and are seeing a new yokai every chapter at this rate)

[rotund scaffold]

@light pond best one yet?

[thick sky]

onimaru transforming, kanjuro's drawing

[light pond]

Juba's theory that it is onimaru with hiyori

[broken mica]

Fun fact! Tanukis are also said to be able to transform, so the Tanuki-san title chapter might not only be referencing Chopper 👀

[deft remnant]

Dude was in utter disbelief.
The cliche "masaka" expression

[rain crag]

The only thing wrong with Jubas theory is that we reqlly dont know if Onimaru can transform into Oden

[radiant minnow]

kanjurou theory have many flaws.. do you think someone's getting betrayed and not letting him die? moreover they're SAMURAI they dont show mercy. things like orochi and kanjurou are alive is crap for me. bruh. better be devon or blackbeard

[broken mica]

As chopper said himself, he isn't a tanuki

[quick rain]

eah youre right

[rotund scaffold]

who is onimaru

[light pond]

Fo tengu have illusion ability or copying ability?

[thick sky]

that fox with kawamatsu

[sleek seal]

this isnt oden for sure, if it was then he would definitely be older

[rotund scaffold]

what fox wtf lmao I missed smth I guess xD

[thick sky]

well according to folktales, kitsunes (not kyubi) could transform into one human form

[brazen lantern]

Time tavel bud

[compact moat]

also the oden in the last panel appears to have his swords when zoro currently has them

[river sentinel]

This is the fox from before, the one that took zoros old sword

[light pond]

The fox

[bitter flower]

based

[rain crag]

"One" and already saw that figure

[quick rain]

but onimaru can only transform to one person or can he choose whom to look like ???

[broken mica]

I wouldve said choose

[rotund scaffold]

when was he shown? what purpose? smh I feel like I missed a chapter or smth wtf?

[brazen lantern]

Now that oden is back do u see him taking enma back?

[outer juniper]

But can Onimaru transform into other people??

[dark palm]

he was shown for like, the entirety of act 2

[broken mica]

Back when kawamatsu was talking about his past kira

[sleek seal]

very unlikely, i dont see it as a possibility

[quick rain]

he is most probably not Oden

[broken mica]

Before they gave enma to zorro

[rotund scaffold]

nah

[twin gazelle]

Thats the point kira. Its not really oden its a troll by oda. Thats why it came out of nowhere

[quick rain]

since we've been shown him getting shot

[rotund scaffold]

oooo yee now I remember, thx

[knotty lion]

there's no way this is oden

[light pond]

Devon is also a kitsune

[quick rain]

yes IT IS DEFINITELY NOT ODEN

[broken mica]

I'm very much convinced of Juba's theory by now

[thick sky]

kyubi no kitsune and just kitsune are different tho. not that I am disagreeing. just providing some folktales' info

[brazen lantern]

So it's Devon?

[sudden plaza]

who tf

[half hawk]

Kanjuro painted oden.

[bitter flower]

what if we're all in denial and its actually just oden lmao

[quick rain]

it might be Kanjuro

[light pond]

But onimaru is a komakitsune not just a kitsune

[half hawk]

Its kanjuro he's trying to fool them again

[ancient vault]

its the same thing really. Both can shapeshift

[rotund scaffold]

Ive never really read theories or spoilers before now just cause of oden xD but how many times have theories come true in general

[tulip pollen]

Look at his hip he already has an enma somehow

[light pond]

50/50

[sleek seal]

but that's only going to give them more motivation to continue fighting

[outer juniper]

I got spoiled on the last page and I thought there was no way what I saw was real... welp

[quick rain]

nahh enma has a different guard

[half hawk]

True its most likely Kanjuro

[tulip pollen]

He already has enma look at his hip

[ancient vault]

Theories come true regularly usually theyre wrong tho.
For example the theory of "Vegapunk experimented on Kaido" has just been confirmed this chapter.

[thick sky]

that's not enma

[twin gazelle]

OH WAIT GUYS WHAT IF ITS KANJURO IN A SOGEKING-ESQUE INK DISGUISE BECAUSE HES ASHAMED

[rain crag]

I dont see anything other than the right one has longer robe?

[half hawk]

Break.

[outer juniper]

yeah this is one of my thoughts too

[light pond]

The fake oden have chicken legs and the real oden have meaty legs that right there proves that is a fake

[ancient vault]

the swords

[jaunty cradle]

swords are not positioned like oden used to position enma and the other sword

[rotund scaffold]

o shiit top tier theory xD

[quick rain]

those are different swords
enma has that flower shaped guard
bbut the oden that is back has just a regular circle shaped guard

[jaunty cradle]

bruh are u stupid? we clearly saw zoro getting enma and momo the other sword

[tulip pollen]

Its not the current enma cause zoro has it but what is it then

[brazen lantern]

My head hurts

[light pond]

Kanjuro drawing is one of the top theories so far

[half hawk]

It looks like enma

[quick rain]

yeah but some people were saying he already has enma back that's why i went in a little more details

[bitter flower]

yoooooo fake Oden is carring Shusui

[jaunty cradle]

how could it be enam when zoro has it brah

[brave sonnet]

[radiant minnow]

kanjurou orochi sucks. been there done that

[rotund scaffold]

o I didnt see that, damn

[half hawk]

Because most likely kanjuro drew it.

[light pond]

Shusui is not a long sword the one right there is a long sword

[outer juniper]

what if Hiyori or Toki (the silhouetted lady a few chapters back) passed by the injured Kanjuro too, healed him up, and they had a moment together and Kanjuro realized he has to help the other scabbards coz his "role" is finished anyway, but he can't face them as himself so he disguised himself as an Oden drawing

[onyx zodiac]

It's also one that makes most sense

[jaunty cradle]

this doesn t make any sense

[half hawk]

Okay its fake.

[onyx zodiac]

He might be looking for a way to redeem himself

[bitter flower]

whats the difference?

[ancient vault]

Why? Whats the point? This isnt a redemption arc

[half hawk]

Wdym kanjuro can draw anyone perfectly.

[pulsar solstice]

i believe now that kaido "killed" orochi, kanjuro has no family to live/die for and is flupping sides again

[light pond]

Well onimaru also make sense and the only theory so far that dont make sense is devon

[half hawk]

Kanjuro drew himself if you didn't know @jaunty cradle

[quick rain]

EXACTLY

[twin gazelle]

I mean kanjurou did really love the scabbards

[onyx zodiac]

Hiyori doesn't know Kanjuro is a traitor

[brazen lantern]

Isn't kanjuro dead

[outer juniper]

Who are you to decide this isn't a redemption arc for him ? it's just some thoughts of mine anyway 😄

[patent sail]

Yeah he forgot abt that part🤣🤣

[flint osprey]

Onimaru is the only one that makes sense tbh. He turned into Toki while treating their wounds and then turned into Oden after.

[light pond]

Enma is longer that shusui and the one fake oden carrying is definitely a long sword as you could see

[outer juniper]

this is pretty solid too

[jaunty cradle]

YES. Because Zoro has enma, AND momo has ame no habakiri.

[quick rain]

why tho he should be able to do it without turning into them

[twin gazelle]

What is this is a pudding situation where he was acting extra evil just to hide how much pain he felt betraying his friends? Just thinking out loud here

[light pond]

Actually tenguyama has the ame no habakiri

[outer juniper]

or Onimaru came with Hiyori/Toki

[vital fog]

well those swords, one is with the sword smith, and the other with zoro, that is currently fighting so those cant be the original swords

[ancient vault]

This whole arc isnt about redemption. It was never the focus. This arc is about loyalty and revenge. The former Kanjuro broke and the scabbards have taken the ladder on him

[half hawk]

Onimaru or kanjuro?

[patent sail]

Onimaru for me

[rain crag]

Also onimaru has a lo of swords maybe he just oicked 2 of them up and transformed?

[jaunty cradle]

well yes cause momo told him to keep it cause he didnt want to use it as of now, but yes in short

[twin gazelle]

Yeah i think onimaru is more likely but itd be a beautiful moment imo if it were kanjuro

[patent sail]

That’s what I’m thinking too

[half hawk]

Oda is unpredictable

[flint osprey]

it's not Hiyori or Kawamatsu won't comment something like this

[jaunty cradle]

Top theory is onimaru, everything else is stupid

[brazen lantern]

What if it's Mr 2😂😂

[jaunty cradle]

why would the swords make a difference? Everyone knows they were passed down to zoro and momo

[half hawk]

Kanjuro theory is stupid? Ok lol

[ancient vault]

Hiyori looks exactly like Toki

[rain crag]

Hes talking about oden here no?

[flint osprey]

nah he's talking about the silhouette one.

[jaunty cradle]

Why would kanjuro not kill them at that moment of time, and instead heal them? They were worn out and he could've just killed them but for SOME reason kanjuro helped them?

[bitter flower]

bon clay awakened his devil fruit and can access past clones

[light pond]

U are stupid if u think so

1. Mr. 2 is in impel down
2. Mr. 2 never met oden
3. Mane mane needs to touch once face to use them
4. Oden died even before Mr. 2 gets his fruit

[rotund scaffold]

Mr 2 OP

[half hawk]

Most likely he has a plan and orochi isn't confirmed dead