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[night junco]

I saw a theory before about how zuneshia may not be the only giant elephant that exists in the world. It had mentioned that there were giant shadows in the florian triangle. Basing that there i was thinking what if zuneishas crime is separating from its heard in parallel to laboons story as well

[rare swallow]

Interesting theory! Perhaps explains why a person cannot host two fruit powers. Or what would you say to this?

[dim cloak]

I think that it is possible to host two fruit powers under special circumstances. BlackBeard has proven so.

And I think BlackBeard's case is easier to understand. His body, normally, is not special, but his body having eaten the Darkness Fruit is. Even if he is not incorporeal like most Logia, his fruit is still pure darkness. My guess is that his body is like a black hole; practically endless. Which is why he could host two Devil Fruits (potentially even more) without issue of the two devils fighting for the space of the host, since his body is endless, in a sense.

But yes, normally I think the spirits of the two devils (or the two "souls") would be too much. I mean, Thriller Bark has demonstrated that Shadows function in a similar manner, where you cannot really adjust well to having more than one shadow at the same time and your body rejects one either inmediately or, if strong willed, after a certain amount of time. I think maybe powerful individuals could actually control having two fruits at once in their bodies, but their powers could sometimes lose control, kind of like how Emma started acting on it's own, sucking up Zoro's haki. It could prove unstable for the user and such, practically impossible to maneuver. In the worst cases, as the story itself says, the devils, fighting for dominance, may even tear the user from the inside.

There must be, however, a way for one to use more than one Devil Fruit using off-handed techniques like BlackBeard's.

[rare swallow]

Pitless and or infinite spatial place (DF) makes quite the sense under the specific conditions of the host being strong willed and such. This is cool!

[dim cloak]

Well, the pitless thing is just because of the Yami Yami. BlackBeard wanted that fruit for all the power it holds PLUS his insider knowledge that it has, what's basically, an endless black-hole like body. That's how it holds more than two Devil Fruit powers and also is able to basically suck the devil from a fresh corpse and put it inside someone else for them to inherit the ability.

That also explains why he "suffers more pain". His body is a black hole, it absorbs everything. Even attacks. So there's a very real chance that he quite literally cannot avoid attacks because his body will make them gravitate towards him, due to the nature of his fruit. He suffers more pain due to his fruit cuz he cannot enjoy the luxury of evading attacks.

I'm not too sure on the strong willed person though, I mostly think it's due to special powers given by the fruits rather than "a strong will". Having a strong will wouldn't stop the two devils from struggling for space.

[rare swallow]

I gotcha. But doesn't the constitution affect how efficiently one can call command to not one but two powers, in this case.

In the case of Enma, if Zoro wasn't "worthy" or fit to endure sword's spirit, he would have died.

[dim cloak]

Since the properties of their body changes according to the fruit, my guess is no. Though I think having more than one would make BlackBeard probably have the problem I said upper. Devils goins in disarray and fighting each other, then ripping them apart from the inside.

[rare swallow]

Yeah, possibly. That's interesting!

[tired flax]

Hey everyone, just wanted to share a theory I posted on the reddit yesterday if anyone here is interested :
https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiece/comments/w2ragh/the_truth_behind_devil_fruits_ener_im_and_the_moon/

[primal cargo]

So there's a lot of different ideas in this post
For the Grand Line to be a sort of giant soul-farm is a pretty cool idea. The "3 gods" stuff is interesting but I can't imagine it happening seeing how oddly specific it is.
I wanna reply to the part about the Ancient Weapons specifically. So I wholeheartedly support the idea that the AW were used to change the shape of the world in the past. However to me, the existing AW lore really suggests that they were always in control of the "good" side.
Pluton was built by engineers on Water 7, and those very engineers left blueprints in case Pluton ever falls into the wrong hands. Implying it was initially in the right hands, and that it was made to be used in a certain right way. Pluton has never been in the wrong hands, or the blueprints would have been used already.
So I think, if it's true that the Red Line was built using Pluton, then there must have been a good reason to do that at the time. As opposed to it being part of an evil scheme by Im. Maybe similarly to how Wano was originally closed off for a good reason, and only now should be opened.
So for the AW to have been used by Im can only work if the W7 shipwrights were on her side. Same with the mermaid princess of the time.

[pure raven]

i think sabo is gonna come to wano

[dim cloak]

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[dim cloak]

Theory: Who took the Red Phoneglyph from Fishman Island?
Fishman Island's Red Phoneglyph dissapeared, at the very least, 25 years ago after Roger reached Laugh Tale (otherwise, he wouldn't be able to have reached the island). Road to Laugh Tale Vol. 1 has hinted at locations of where it may be, but it doesn't pose the question of who took it, so I want to present various theories, since the three options lead, alternatively, for different culprits of having pilfered and appropiated the Red Phoneglyph.

First, let's go for the easiest one to gleam: BlackBeard. One of the places where RtLT Vol. 1 said it could be is Fullalead Island, BlackBeard's current base of operations. We don't know exactly when he moved the stone, but since we don't know if he can choose what to release with the Yami Yami and he didn't had control of the island before the Hate War against WB's remnants (when he was given the title of Emperor of the Sea) we can assume it was post-time skip, when he took commandment of Fullalead and before Luffy headed there for the first time, as when they went there, it was missing. He just scooped it up with his DF ability and then brought it to his base of operations.

Secondly, Vira. I have no idea why it would be there or who brought it, so I'm gonna pass this one.

Then we go to Elbaf. And this is where the crux of my theory starts. Why would it be there? Why would the giants feel the need to pilfer it and keep it on Elbaf for protection? One point would be to protect it from Big Mom, since they hate her and she already has one. But I don't think their grudge for her would go that far. That means someone else took it and left it there.

There are two people who fit the bill. Shanks and WhiteBeard (obviously, the latter would've before he died).
We don't know enough about Shanks to even theorize why would he, so I am inclined to believe he isn't the one.

Whitebeard, however... He had a chance to do it in the span of time between Roger's execution and his death AND met up with Roger before he died. Roger might've asked him to move it, or, what Roger cleared up to Roger about the meaning for the D. might've lead WB to move the Phoneglyph from Fishman Island to Elbaf.

What are other theories of yours? Do you know why they even prompted Vira as one of the big three places where the Red Phoneglyph is? Do you think there's someone else who took it that hasn't been considered in here?

[pure raven]

The one piece might be luffys straw hat

[modest skiff]

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[night junco]

Im not sure if its been proven but is it possible sanjis diable jambe could also be used by zeff when he had two legs. Im thinking this due to zeffs nickname red leg zeff. Like its sanjis ability to do that was the natural evolution to what he learned from zeff?

[stone imp]

That’s actually good

[hoary hatch]

Roger had it way before becoming the pirate king. So it would be an amusing misunderstanding if the One Piece is not on the final island, but instead has been in the hands of pirates all along.

[ashen surge]

His name was red leg because his legs were always bathed in his enemies blood, this was told

[night junco]

Ohh dang i thought i was on to something. Thanks for the clerificstion

[ashen surge]

@modest skiff I was tinking about your theoryt hat Pluton would be able to utilize the volume of water like knock up is supposed to work but I can't find myself figuring how would that work because there is no water under islands

[ashen surge]

But to build on that how you guys think Pluton is hidden underground and how Franky and Iceburg were shocked how a ship like that could be even built, maybe Pluton is not a ship that traverses through bodies of water, we've talked about it being a land vehicle but maybe it's an underground vehicle that traverses in the ground and can utilize the magma bed of the earth itself as a weapon

[modest skiff]

Then how did a part of Jaya end up in the white sea? I think many islands in one piece aren't what we normally see here on Earth

[ashen surge]

Well like I said, I don't necessarily disagree with you that Pluton can cause the same effect, I just don't see it utilizing the volume of sea water directly.

When you start thinking about it more, due to it's namesake, it would make a perfect sense that Pluton works underground

[modest skiff]

This is a great idea too. I've been imagining it as a ship which is at very least capable of going under water, which is how it is being stored under Wano. And yeah, I like the idea of it going under ground. I kinda see being under water as equivalent to under ground in the one piece world, but the idea of a ship that "sails through the ground" is baffling enough to warrant Franky and Iceburg's response.

[ashen surge]

But there's land mass under Wano as well.

[modest skiff]

Certain parts, yeah, but since some of the pieces appear to have come from elsewhere, presumably some of the islands are not attached to the seafloor

My impression is that only the part with Fuji actually attaaches to the sea floor

[ashen surge]

What do you mean by "pieces appear to have come from elsewhere"?

[modest skiff]

Wano as a whole appears to be assembled, and the whole idea of giants pulling islands around, and Wano having all sorts of different weather patterns, makes it seem very likely to me that Wano is an assembly of other islands

[night junco]

I had seen a youtube video about noland and his discovery of jaya and finding the poneglyph triggering something that the world gov couldnt let him share and leak out. And they caused the knock upstream some how. I think the YouTubers name was parvison or something like that. He also went into the possibility noland and roger parallels

[ashen surge]

That's not what Oars namesake means

[modest skiff]

What does it mean? Either way, Wano having all sorts of different weather patterns on different components, with each of these components being connected by bridges, makes it seem like it was somehow constructed from other parts

[ashen surge]

The continent puller was Oars' personal moniker that's a reference to his power and how easy it was for him and his crew to conquer entire countries

In the Finnish localization Oar's moniker is "maanryöstäjä" which you can translate to "ground robber" or "country robber"

I think The whole "ancient giants move physical islands on their own" theory just comes from the misunderstanding that Onigashima somehow "appeared" next to Wano for some weird reason. It was just empty and unnamed before Kaido set shop there.

[modest skiff]

hmmm i can't imagine some giant skull formation was unnamed

[ashen surge]

The giant skull is a building

[steady prism]

Oar’s moniker in Japanese is: 国引きオーズ

I’m not a native speaker so with Google translate I managed to separate it into three phrases

国 = country, state, nation

引き = Pull

オーズ = Ooar (Oar’s name)

I don’t know where you got your definition, but if it’s Viz translation some stuff gets lost in translation. The term “country puller” isn’t a mistranslation from what I could tell.

[ashen surge]

It's not a mistranslation, it's a direct translation and as I know the finnish localizer personally, I can affirm that he thinks more about the nuances of the words in his work

[steady prism]

I don’t understand what you mean about “Finnish localizer”. Could you elaborate on that?

[ashen surge]

I am from Finland and I read One Piece in finnish and in english and I can assure you that a lot of stuff is left out in the viz translation

[steady prism]

So I’m confused then. I agree Viz translation isn’t always ideal, but I don’t believe the Finnish version of the One Piece chapter has a “more correct” description of Oars’ moniker than the Japanese version. Of course I’m using Google Translate so I’m not acting like what I’ve stated above is infallible, but if we’re talking about authenticity in the author’s intent, shouldn’t we look at the Japanese phrasing of the moniker?

[ashen surge]

https://jisho.org/search/引き you can check several intereprations of the word 引き here and see that it there's a fuck ton of nuance

[rare swallow]

Maybe the moniker itself corresponds to Oars' strength as in a metaphor than a literal embodiment of the name.

[ashen surge]

It was exactly that, he was able to rob entire countries with ease.

[steady prism]

I agree there’s always nuance to this. Looking at the examples in that link, I can’t help but see a confirmation that that phrase doesn’t signify “robbing” (unless you consider phrases like “discount” and “influence”). The majority of those examples signify some sort of “pulling” action.

Putting that aside, there can always be different interpretations to what it means to be a “continent puller”. There’s the literal interpretation that I believe in and there’s the more subtle pirate-like interpretation Freckles and yourself bring up. That’s where we differ.

[ashen surge]

Yeah I caught on to the verbs talking about withdrawing money

Of course historical events eventually become stuff of legends but additionally if you think about the physics of it, Oars in the end is not that big to actually move whole island

[steady prism]

Given the size difference we’ve seen between Oars II and Oars III, I don’t know if size is as serious of an issue for Oars I. Also, it’s an even less issue if you corroborate Oars’ moniker with other theories on Pluton (moving landmass), the ancient weapons’ “CCC theory”, and some other Wano theories related to Onigashima. But I’d rather not go into those just yet.

[hollow arrow]

Has anyone in the whole entire world noticed that Blackbeard has the same bandana as roger or am i stating the obvious

[ashen surge]

they are both spotted bandanas of different colors

[sand sail]

You're not stating the obvious, you're stating the meaningless. This isn't the channel to point this out though, please keep it in one of the main manga chats

[ashen surge]

wdym oars 2 and 3? There's only Oars and Oars Jr.

[sand sail]

There's an Oars the 2nd, we just don't know them lol

[steady prism]

Oars Jr.’s Jolly Roger hints that he considers himself to be “Oars the 3rd”. This clearly indicates that there’s an Oars II and Oars I. Unlike Okama, I believe the Oars Gecko Moria has excavated from Wano is actually “Oars the 2nd”. I believe Onigashima’s skull is “Oars the 1st”. Obviously the last two statements here are my own speculations on who Oars I and Oars II are.

[soft urchin]

makes sense

[sand sail]

Oars is the original, that's why he's not a Jr.

Oars Jr. is his grandson

[ashen surge]

or some descendant

[sand sail]

Just a grandson

These are giants, after all. Oars is only about 500 years old, Jr. is only in his 70's

[ashen surge]

This is the bit you just have your facts wrong, Oars' body was in some "land of ice", not in Wano.

[steady prism]

Unless Oars in Thriller Bark clearly called himself “Oars the First”, we’ll have to agree to disagree. I’m hedging on the idea that the skull at Onigashima is directly related to Oars lineage.

[sand sail]

Oars can't be the second

He died some time before the current time, and Oars Jr. is only 72

He has to be the first

[ashen surge]

And I have zero reasons to believe that the skull in Onigashima is an actual skull but just a building that was constructed by Kaidos vision

[sand sail]

^ It's not a skull yeh, just shaped like one

[steady prism]

Correct, it was at the eternal gravesite at Ringo. We learned he robbed Ryuma’s corpse 20-something years ago and he took Oars from a “frozen island”. Connecting the dots suggest he got Oars from Ringo

[sand sail]

Those aren't dots to be connected, there's more than one frozen island in the grand line

There's nothing to suggest his corpse came from Wano so far

[steady prism]

It’s two data points. They coincide nicely but don’t have to connect. It’s up to you on how to take the info, I’m just explaining my reasoning. Nothing’s set in stone until Oda says so

[sand sail]

They don't really coincide at all is the thing, Wano isn't unique for its frozen areas or anything

Oars was in a frozen place very much doesn't equate to him being from Ringo, even as a reasonable deduction, given the numerous frozen lands in the grand line in general

[steady prism]

It does coincide. Ringo is frozen tundra with graves that have perfectly preserved corpses. It doesn’t have to be the “right” answer, but you can’t deny it is “an” answer with evidence of Moria’s presence.

[sand sail]

It is certainly "an" answer, sure, but not really any kind of sure deduction when moria's gotten corpses from all over

[steady prism]

Okay, I’m glad we agree 👍

[sand sail]

Oh, actually, it looks like it's specifically a place called a country/land of ice

Not Wano at all

[ashen surge]

I get that people want to believe real hard on their own theories how Oars sized 67 meters tall moved entire islands and was the original founder of the nation we now know as "Wano" but it just doesn't make sense and it doesn't add anything to the story that I can think of.

[sand sail]

Incidentally, this page also supports Keturin's assertion that Oars's title was due to his acquisition of islands, not literally pulling them

[ashen surge]

Yeah, pirates have conquered entire countries with complex conspiracies and by staging coups but Oars just went there and broke havoc with physical power alone and did that multiple times

[steady prism]

Yes, it could be a literal name of an island or it might simply be a description of said island. The absence of the phrase “Wano” doesn’t negate the idea that he could have meant Ringo. I’ve spent way too long here, I gtg it was a nice discussion.

[sand sail]

Sure, but on the topic of descendants, it's pretty set in stone that this Oars was the first. He died 500 years before Thriller Bark, so unless ancient giants live for significantly longer than regular ones, Oars Jr. being 72 makes it impossible for it to be his son

I thought he was born 500 years back, but I was off on that one, lol

But given that time frame as well, there's a chance he could've actually created Wano too. Not physically, but gathered his nation of villains all the way back then to create it in his youth. I doubt it, but always a possibility for now

[still perch]

Luffy bouta fight shanks

[grand python]

Yeah Blackbeard will be next opponent then shank will be the final boss(only pirate not include marine force)

[errant gale]

Anyone else get kicked out of vc?

[still perch]

Probably gonna fight one or two of the admirals

[hot heart]

the Vivi/her dad/Sabo theory was correct, but now the question is what is going to happen next.. I can see a mini arc occur, that eventually results in Vivi being arriving at the SHs. At the same time Shanks will probably 'trigger' the events that will make the OP reachable (i think he was always waiting for the right moment). The revolutionaries vs WG stuff will also be ongoing. Not to mention BB/Buggy sub-plots. Point is, since this is the final saga, and Oda has already talked about a great war, for all these plot lines to merge together into one greater overarching saga I think they'll all have to occur relatively close to each other.

so point is (unless the saga is way longer than I expect) I think the OP is somewhere where all these conflicts could merge, i.e. somewhere controlled by the WG currently (something theorized by others before pretty sure)

[fickle warren]

I feel like an argument against Sabo killing Cobra is the reactions of Dragon , Koala , Ivankow etc. when they looked at the newspaper. They were really sad about it which means that they probably knew about Cobra being a good king , the headline didnt mention Sabo getting captured or anykind so they were sad about Sabo killing someone he shouldnt have. Which means that Sabo knew about Cobra and I doubt he would kill him just so he can.

[dim cloak]

I've adressed this with theories of my own a lot. It is, as you say, pretty off-character for Sabo to kill King Cobra.

But we don't need to think that hard. During the Reverie arc, Cobra was shown weak and old, said he wanted to stage a meeting with the Gorosei and the Gorosei talked with Im about whose lives needed to be snuffed out, with the obvious targets being the ones with the stabbed pictures (Luffy and BlackBeard, due to their power and influence over this new era, Shirahoshi due to being the new Poseidon and killing her before she has kids would end Poseidon's heritage and surprisingly, not Vivi).

However, seeing as Cobra might've known or insitigated too much for his own good, he was clearly silenced and Sabo either saw the scene or the aftermath and was used as a scapegoat to hush-hush the original perpetrators of the crime. Around this point, Sabo must've realized something is wrong and that, if Cobra has been killed, Vivi might be in danger, so he took the liberty to, in cognito, separate from his own group to escape or hide with Vivi. The fact that the new chapter says Alabasta's ship didn't leave port and the fact the revolutionaries left without Sabo might imply more the second than the first and they are in hiding in Mariejois.

[alpine cobalt]

Does anyone have any theories regarding how the 19 kingdoms won the war 900-800 years ago? People from the D clan are some of the strongest in-universe characters, plus they presumably had the ancient weapons + devil fruits. What tf does the Celestial Dragons have?

[dim cloak]

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[alpine cobalt]

sry

[modest skiff]

Sabo didn’t kill cobra. But the marines specifically mention admirals needing to play it safe while they were at MJ. I think they didn’t play it safe enough and GB killed cobra

[dim cloak]

That doesn't sound right. If that was the case, why would Dragon and the rest of the revolutionaries be surprised upon hearing the news? Sure, none of them were shown being there, but wouldn't any of the Generals of the Revolutionaries that were there had spoken up to their own forces if during the fight, Greenbull killed Cobra on accident and Sabo was used to take on the blame?

As I said, Cobra wanted to have an audience with the Gorosei to speak about matters most serious, so it is most likely Gorosei used one of the many CP0 agents that were shown present (like Lucci) to silence Cobra, who was instigating too much.

Another point that kinda irks me about this is also Fujitora. He would've 100% spoke up about it if he saw his own ally kill Cobra, considering the whole of Dressrosa.

[fossil fox]

Called it!

[dim cloak]

I also called it literally minutes before the spoilers for it went live lol.
I was lucky I was writing this during the spoilers ping and not after.

[modest skiff]

Yeah, I definitely agree that Gorosei authorizing Cobra getting killed makes the most sense. And it also explains why Vivi 99% chance escaped with Sabo.

[regal vessel]

Jewelry Bonnie or whatever prolly has something to do wit Vivi

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[steel wolf]

yep probably this

[candid wyvern]

I have a small theory
The reason why shanks waited this long to get one piece is one piece is actually locked and luffy is the key to that lock
I also think this is why roger said he is 20 years early as he couldnt open that lock of one piece

[jovial night]

That might be a good theory

[sinful kindle]

honestly i dont see how this could be wrong

[pallid ibex]

Maybe but now Shanks also has this window considering kaido and bm are out the picture

[candid wyvern]

Shanks is hunting for pluton in wano i think

[alpine harbor]

Where’s your theory @candid wyvern

[pallid ibex]

I don’t think he has all the road poneglyphs either

[dim cloak]

For what reason?

[candid wyvern]

but roger already went to one piece
Surely he knows about the location
look at how he talks with benn beckmann about taking one piece

[dim cloak]

Also, he reached the island and unveiled the secrets, I believe he was early cuz this information wouldn't be relevant until a later point in time, in which he would be dead cuz of his illness

Shanks also has no way of knowing this cuz he stayed behind with Buggy and we don't know if he actually asked any of the crew about it.

[candid wyvern]

I am not exactly sure
but i think another essential to gettting one piece
Or the upcoming war

[pallid ibex]

In a way yeah. It would make sense if luffy was a key🤷‍♂️

[candid wyvern]

Also theory
Shanks will get pluton
Blackbeard: Uranus
Luffy: Poseidon
And i believe Buggy will have a momentary control on one of these ancient weapons by accident lol

[dim cloak]

Shanks is leaving Wano, how is he going to even get Pluton if he is not gonna set foot in the country?
Homes, please, theorize with actual arguements, please.

[alpine harbor]

Because he’s with roger is how roger got all pluton,Uranus, and Poseidon to get one piece.

[daring cobalt]

If that theory were true though then it would make more sense for shanks to get uranus

[candid wyvern]

we know nothing about uranus
Blackbeard will be a huge threat at the war for sure, he should possess one ancient weapon

[dim cloak]

As I keep saying, he didn't need the weapons to get to the One Piece because if he did, then he would've returned to Wano and we know none of them returned until they dropped Oden of and the country was taken over.

If Roger needed to get all the weapons, then he would've headed there, seen Kaido and Orochi and had fought them off the country. And if you say otherwise, I don't believe you. Roger would never let the country of a fellow friend just fucking die off and Oden would've done something about it sooner.

It makes no sense.

[modest skiff]

Poseideon was not available when roger reached laugh tale

[candid wyvern]

but surely shanks knows through rogers journeys, after all roger found out one piece
It was right at the end where buggy got ill. The location of one piece was revealed before then

[dim cloak]

If he knew the location, then why didn't he just... Go?

[candid wyvern]

I dont think its that simple as we are slowly finding out here

[dim cloak]

They knew that they needed to triangulate the 4 points of the Red Phoneglyphs to get there, they don't know the end point. It could be that Buggy got ill before they got even close to it and they had to be dropped off way before they could reach the island and know where it was.

Shanks knew shit-squat about the location, or else he would've gone before.

[candid wyvern]

We will see what unfolds
but I think i struck a little hint of the future no matter how little it is tho

[burnt osprey]

What if shanks knew the location but purposely didn't go bc he was waiting for gum gum fruit awakening

[candid wyvern]

I think this is the case
Something is blocked with one piece that needs to be opened at the perfect time frame

[rugged fern]

We all know the book in whole cake island has an admiral in it, the book was burned from Reiju and her brother saving the 2 brothers, does that mean the admiral will be saved too??

(Cover story)(Idk if someone ever talked about it)

[dim cloak]

You can't say it's a hint when you can't provide any sort of evidence to the contrary nor argue back against someone who is literally proving you wrong.

If Shanks knew the island the 4 points triangulate, then why he would wait this long to go there? The answer is he doesn't, because he didn't end up going there. And there is no evidence to prove he went there. There's even more evidence to prove he DIDN'T because him and Buggy were friends and he would've thought it would be unfair if they didn't go see it together.

Shanks didn't know where Laugh Tale is nor how to get there.

[dim cloak]

Roger managed to get there without the fruit, how's the fruit any sort of key to getting there if the man who did before didn't had it?

Again, it's cool to have theories and want to share them, but give any kind of actual arguement to it instead of baseless speculation. This isn't the channel for that, my God.

[sand sail]

Chill out.

[dim cloak]

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[sand sail]

@acoustic gale Go ahead and read the channel description please

[candid wyvern]

I think shanks knew all along but he was blocked of it somehow
whether is timeframe or something but it is clear that Shanks needs luffy

[dim cloak]

OK, can you please respond to what I said about Roger not having the fruit and still getting to the treasure?

You don't need the fruit to get there. You only need the 4 red phoneglyphs to triangulate the location and that's it. It has not been stated nor shown that something else is needed.

Roger was too early cuz the information they learned there to shake the world was either not relevant to the time they were living in or because the information was useless at the time. Which is why he was early and none of the Roger Pirates who were there and also aquired the information said anything about it. And why Rayleigh said that Robin and the crew may reach another conclusion after getting to the end of the journey and knowing everything.

[grave lichen]

Btw I just read 1054, why is shanks in wano? If he’s going to deal with barto first, why is he there in the first place? Did he just scrub the Poneglyph?

[stark path]

My head canon regarding one piece is that "joyboy" is required for whatever reason, hence why Shanks waited this long, he waited for Luffy to awaken. Now I can see a world where Shanks challenges Luffy to a davy back fight for getting Luffy into his crew

[sand sail]

Better for one of the other manga channels, this is the place for more longform theories

[dim cloak]

If Joyboy is required to make use or sense or unlock the One Piece, then holy shit, anyone within the establishment of the WG to right now would also be early.

Which is why I think it's wrong. We already have things that deter anyone from finding the place and it's the Red Phoneglyphs.

[sand sail]

You are correct, in a way

Poseidon and Joyboy are the key, it's implied that's why Roger was too early

[grave lichen]

Oh okay, sorry

[dim cloak]

Isn't those two pieces of information just a prophecy in the Phoneglyph in Fishman Island? Why would Poseidon and JoyBoy be needed to get there.

If that were true, then One Piece would've been a gigantic prophetic adventure only Luffy would've been able to carry out and that would make the story so much worse.

[sand sail]

To get there, no. To fulfill what Joyboy left there is what they'd be needed for.

The literal first chapter of the series ends with the whole series being called Luffy's voyage of destiny, so that's about right, yep

[dim cloak]

OK, that's fair.

[pure raven]

Shanks want one piece 💀

[dim cloak]

!theories

[lone hedge]

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[stark path]

I didnt say that joyboy's required to get there, it's really more of as @sand sail put it, joyboy is a key towards something we dont know and Shanks does, why would he wait this long if he didnt know. For all we know he can reach it anytime, but to make use of it he needs joyboy

[sand sail]

Go to one of the other manga channels, please

[stark path]

Roger did get to laugh tale, but as he said they were too early. That's what makes me so excited for this final saga, finally all the mysteries we've been theorizing for years now will come to light

[acoustic gale]

Ik its uber short im sorry

[novel scroll]

The "One Piece is a sake" theory is becoming more and more plausible.
Shanks is drinking sake while talking about One Piece.
The sake is named "No.5", as if there exist a "No.1" in One Piece.
Also, "it's about time" as in the One Piece's Sake brewing is almost over

[hot heart]

The moon peeps came down to earth and wanted to take control of the world but the D clan nation refused to be dominated. The moon peeps manipulated/worked with the CD nations to start a war/betray the world vs the D clan - the CD were 'rewarded' with fanciful titles and things like that , but in actuality the moon peeps took over most of the actual power. I think betrayal occured also, which is why the WG want to supress the true history in particular. It's typical to supress/delete history of shameful events, particularly those where it turns out 'you' are the evil party

[shadow flume]

Interesting that they mention Dragon Claw as sacred to the CDs. Isn’t dragon claw attacks used by Sabo and Dragon instead !??
Do you think Dragon stole or learnt CDs techniques ??

[shadow flume]

What do you think of this bean @sand sail

Looks kinda deep to me

Seems like the CD or their ancestors used Dragon techniques as well similar to Sabo

[hot heart]

the D's were the true dragons and the dragon techniques were theirs. When they were defeated the CD's stole it. Dragons are naturally creatures that value freedom and will never be dominated. The CD's are fake dragons that sold out the world on the other hand.

[brazen acorn]

Do you think that King Cobra was really assassinated?
What if it's Bon chan.

[blazing ore]

that would be crazy

[brazen acorn]

I really don't see how Sabo earns anything from assassinating King Cobra.
AFAIR Sabo spoke with Vivi and they were being friendly or sth? I don't see why they would do it. We can probably be sure it wasn't done by the marines since they are discussing it amongst themselves.
Then again maybe they planned it out with eachother (Sabo and Cobra) cause King Cobra was already about to die or something? Maybe I remember wrong but I think he was sick and close to death.
Like that Sabo is seen like someone who killed a Noble Descendant of the founding 20 from 800 years ago, and he rises and causes even more people to want to join the Revolutionaries?
And the theory about Bon chan having join the Revs and dying or faking the death of Cobra wouldn't ever stand.

[flint gorge]

I honestly was just thinking this earlier reading the chapter, let me know what you guys think. it's pretty outlandish if I'm being honest but I wanna know if anyone else thought something similar

judging by the panels regarding shanks and his crew about to take the gum gum fruit, he obviously knew the true value of it and the real nature of the ability. nika is the sun god, and thinking back to jaya, the shandians (or something I forgot their names) were sacrificing to the sun god before noland stopped them, but what if it wasn't all some trivial attempt at good fortune but just interpreted in the wrong way? shanks knows what the one piece is and the secrets of the world seeing as he talks to beckman about the one piece. shanks would've obviously known this at the time of luffy eating the nika fruit, so his "sacrifice" directly to the sun god was his arm. shanks intentionally let his arm get bitten off, as he easily could've defeated a small sea beast having taken on an entire cp9 filled ship, and smiled. when shanks was on whitebeard's ship, he mentioned his arm as being "sacrificed for a new era" as a response to whitebeard's question about it.

I really don't know if this makes any sense at all, but I feel that shanks losing his arm was intentional, at the very least. either way, I realize this is a far reaching, silly theory, and I don't mean to be one of those theorizers who thinks luffy standing next to a tree in chapter 43 was foreshadowing to him becoming an emperor, but it's just something that I came up with in the spur of the moment and thought I'd share

[night junco]

Something ive noticed with recent chapters but has been pretty consistent in the world piece is how easily misinformation spreads. Like how sanji told crocodile the crew died with mr 3 on the island with the two giants. Especially to those in higher seats of power. And to possibly see bon clay again in that aspect could imply bon may be really dead this time which would be super sad.

[fringe basalt]

How?

[brazen acorn]

was freed, he is an okama so he is with revolutionaries but still why have bon chan die like that

[fringe basalt]

Could you maybe elaborate more?
I'm just curious. It sounds like a theory.

[brazen acorn]

I love discussing one piece and I would love to say more about it but it's 3:30 am and I just returned from a concert too so I'm dead and I work tomorrow so I will maybe post more about it tomorrow

[devout hazel]

is there a colored verison of the chapter 1054

[neat python]

hes not dead (according to cover stories) hes the new queen (king?) of level 5.5 in impel down

[ivory wasp]

Didn’t Im have a knife in a picture of Vivi? So Im orders gorsei to have her killed and the attempt is somehow thwarted so what happens is that Cobra is killed instead with Im ordering gorsei to blame Sabo. Am I wrong to assume that doflamingo probably had dirt on the gorsei and it was the gorsei that had manipulated the world when doflamingo pretended to resign from the warlords? I don’t think it the celestial dragons that manipulated the world in behalf of doffy

[hot heart]

BB/Shanks gona clash over whatever they're both tryna steal/prevent the Marines from getting, so Shanks getting setup to lose to BB?

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[faint panther]

I think the gorosei kill cobra and framed sabo.Last them when we saw imu and the gorosei they was specifically talking about which light they want to make disappear from the world.

[normal laurel]

I have a theory that the map to the one piece is the straw hat, both Roger, shanks and luffy wore it. The straw hat has to have a purpose for the final story

[torn adder]

Posted in the other channel but I think Shanks was just confirmed as one of Luffy’s last villains. If not that, both he and Luffy might fight Teach together at Laughtale.

[lone saffron]

But we know that shanks and luffy are going to have to fight regardless, not because they are enemies, but simply because they both share the same goal of which only one of them can attain really. unless they both just get to laugh tale together and chill out and/or fight teach like @torn adder said

[late marsh]

Devil Fruits = manifested Dreams, so one that "consumes" dream may be called the Dreamer, and that would mean the one that consumes Devil Fruit becomes the Devil? "D." ? Thoughts?

[vale current]

I've seen this theory. It's a special tree that yield one's dream as a fruit, thus manifesting into reality. Problem is how would it account for seemingly bizarre dreams one may have like dream of rust no mi etc owo

[flint gorge]

does anyone have any opinions on my rambling over here? I wanna see if I'm insane or if it's a somewhat feasible theory

[late marsh]

People have really weird dreams

wanting to become giraffe, or wanting a world of toys, up to something like luffy's nika which is the dream of freedom, something very core throughout the history of human society

and there's Haki to reinforce that dream. It's like parallel to real life, dream alone without effort/willpower/perseverance amounts to nothing. That's why Kaido says Haki > DF, even Roger could become king without any DF power, just sheer Haki

[vale current]

You've definitely pointed out smth here. It do make sense. The parallel of Shandias' sun god sacrifice with Shanks' arm sacrificed, in the context of the nika df lol makes sense. But question is to whom Shanks sacrificed an arm? The sungod entity to bless luffy while as nika df user?

[flint gorge]

it was mentioned that all zoan-types have a soul of their own, so probably to nika

[late marsh]

I haven't put any thought into the meaning behind Shanks' sacrificed arm tbh

Especially with this chapter 1054, it makes me curious who Shanks originally intended the Nika fruit for, if it's not meant to be eaten by Luffy, then who? My tinfoil hat feel is that Shanks was planning to have the fruit for himself

Then it's either he's been holding a secret grudge towards Luffy for unknowingly taking that away, or he's actually been a good guy so far, letting that go and supporting Luffy all this time, I can't tell

[open vault]

The flaw with that is why would he not have just eaten it as soon as they got it

[vale current]

Yes it does make sense. Now that joyboy is up, who else to show up? Shanks lol as winding up the past, strikingly fulfilled

[late marsh]

Yeap I thought about that too. No idea tbh

[night junco]

Hey did franky always plan on making a ship for strawhats when he stole the money from ussop and buying the adam trees wood? Or is it possible he was going to build pluton with that?

[open vault]

Beyond that aswell isn't his whole crew known for not having devil fruits? You would assume that stems from shanks being against devil fruits

[flint gorge]

that's what I was thinking, shanks intended to take the nika fruit for himself, but I don't feel like shanks has taken a grudge toward luffy. I definitely don't think he's been 100% honest toward luffy either. I feel he considers luffy a friend, but he definitely has his own goals he prioritizes first

[late marsh]

he might've wanted to eat it at a more opportune time when feel hes more ready? Honestly can't get any further without sounding more and more tinfoil at this point @open vault But yeah good point about shanks non DF crew. But now we're back to square one, who was the fruit intended for?

[open vault]

No one. Maybe he was looking for a successor of roger.He doesn't need to have a specific person in mind at the time of stealing it

[flint gorge]

because the surprise arm amputation was definitely unexplained, and I think I might've found why with that theory

[open vault]

You would also think that shanks knows that zoans have a will of their own so he knows he can't really control when or who the devil fruit would be eaten by

[vale current]

I'd say Shanks only had a clue, and bet it on Luffy, as he probably was planning another thing, destiny had it with Luffy or smh but many things can be speculated.

[open vault]

For me I think it's pure destiny. Shanks knows that someone was destined to be joyboy in this era and when he saw luffy ate the fruit he accepted that luffy was going to be joyboy

[open vault]

Sounds simple and quite dumb but if he knows about this idea of joyboy and how zoans work this seems to be the most logical solution

[vale current]

Oh this is eerie 🗿
This panel feels kinda like double meaning "destroying the dragon claw is declaration of war" reflecting the revolutionary dragon. He also is mentioned in the ch

[uneven elk]

Okay what if greenbull is the one who's gonna make wano a forest land from being a wasteland

[late marsh]

Here's another theory: Shanks is an experienced informant that grew up on Roger's ship, so he knows ALOT about One Piece. Coupled with that fact that we learn Shanks is in possible cahoots with the WG due to his secret meeting with the Gorosei during the reverie....Shanks might've learnt about the Nika fruit from the Gorosei, and that he's a secret agent from Gorosei to try and obtain the Nika fruit for them after the fruit allegedly "dodging" the WG all those years having a will of its own. What could the WG promise Shanks in return for this? Could be something related to his daughter in the upcoming one piece movie.

It's clear from the last chapter that the crew on the marine ship carrying the Nika fruit had no idea of it's real identity, hence its significance. Also, do you not find it odd that if the Gorosei has been searching for that fruit for 800 years, why were there seemingly no competent high-ranking marines on board that ship carrying the fruit? I feel like this is all very much intended by the Gorosei.

[open vault]

Very likely imo, momo will agree some sort of deal with green bull and as a gift he will repair wano

[late marsh]

So they "employ" Shanks to act as the pirate that steals the fruit away to create a convenient alibi that "a strong pirate stole some insignificant fruit" for the media to plaster it in some insignificant corner of the newspaper so as to minimize possible attention towards it. And have it secretly be delivered safely under the table to the Gorosei without any unwanted prying eyes.

[open vault]

Thing is I remember when the fruit was revealed as nika the gorosei themselves weren't even that familiar with this fruit at all almost like it's some thing of the past so idk if that's necessarily true because if they knew it's significance in this era you would imagine they would be a lot more familiar with it. I think they obviously know it's an important fruit however, I doubt they know that joy boy was destined to come exactly 800 years later. For all they know it's been 800 years since the fruit awakend so it's almost like this thing of the past that they don't even know if it will ever reawaken

[late marsh]

Yeah I think they just mainly didn't care until they couldn't ignore it anymore when Luffy started to gain more and more bounty after entering New World. Because he was encroaching towards higher and higher possibility of awakening his fruit.

The only way for the Gorosei to truly secure whatever plans they have under Imu's orders is for them to obtain and possibly lock away the Nika fruit themselves.

[open vault]

Ye I just mean I see no reason for the gorosei to even mention the fruit to anyone because for so long it has been basically nonexistent in terms of it awakening. You have to remember they wouldn't have even seen this power in their lifetimes they would have only heard it from someone else(potentially imu or the former gorosei)

[late marsh]

By the way, the Gorosei has been alive throughout the 800 years of void century, so they definitely witnessed it when JoyBoy was alive

[open vault]

I also don't think the government is necessarily that aware of this whole joyboy idea because, if that is true you would imagine shirahoshi for example would just be killed on the spot. (Bcs of slow mode I can't type so this is another message) I swear it's been debunked that they lived for 800 years?

[spiral ermine]

wait really

[open vault]

I don't think that's true cus I definitely remember watching a vid on this and how there was some sort of proof of them not being alive for 800 years give me a sec I'll find the vid

[late marsh]

Actually hold on, I might be misinofrmed on this

[spiral ermine]

i think its prolly just Im whos from the void century

[open vault]

Ye I just found a panel that basically debunks it but it doesn't let me send pics. It's the last panel of chapter 1037

[late marsh]

Ok yeah this is probably the case

I had a theory about Imu actually lol. Here you go: Imu has mythical zoan human-human fruit: model emperor. Why? The only confirmable object from his/her silhouette is a CROWN, the rest is ambiguous. Most famous Emperor is Qin Shi Huang, the guy that built the great wall of china as well as the terracotta army.

Chinese emperors are obsessed with immortality

[open vault]

Ye I mean there isn't much to back it up but u can't dispute it either after all we can probably assume joyboy had the nika fruit so wouldn't be wrong to assume imu has the emperor fruit or smt similar

[late marsh]

I'm gonna be honest. The one character I'm most interested to know about at this point is Vegapunk lol. The man is too mysterious. Literally 0 info so far

Anyone has cool Vegapunk theory?

[open vault]

Nope he's so mysterious u could really say anything 😂

[vale current]

Makes sense. Roger went there and didn't have nika df nor did any of his crewmen. But joyboy is connected to it somehow even tho not a key.

What explain Shanks behavior then, based on this point

[torpid mist]

Cobra ASKED Sabo to kill him in order to help incite the people of the world to join the revos against the 20 kingdoms and the world government. He may have already been grievously injured by the WG based on what he discussed with the Gorosei, if they disagreed with what he wanted. so Sabo was just the finishing blow for an inevitable conclusion.

[shadow flume]

I ain’t even sure . For real it’s double meaning . Both drsgon and CD like dragon claw

[ember grove]

lol i just now finished reading all the manga, im officially caught up after 2 years of watching/ reading! im sure we all have our own theories on why sabo did what he did, i think mine makes a lot of sense. we all know that what sabo did to cobra HAS to be true seeing as morgan reported it and stated it was the truth and nothing more, maybe that was the plan all along in alabasta. maybe crocodile was a revo army member whos mission was to kill cobra and find the pluton while hes at it, it would also make sense since he only helped luffy after luffy and ivan teamed up and saved luffy when he learned that luffy was dragons son. now as to why they would want to kill cobra? im not too sure, maybe he was secretly corrupt, maybe he knew things he shouldnt have, in the end the thing that i am 100% Certain Of is that sabo killed cobra and luffy is going to have to pick a side before he learns the truth of whatever happened, family or friends

thoughts?

[lapis fox]

I think sabo killed cobra but by accident

Truth to what Morgan is reporting but I still believe he was framed

[pure raven]

Or Cobra fake his death as per Revo Army instruction

[vital spear]

Momo will die in the next chapter
He doesn't have haki or he didn't mastered his fruit
If he isn't dead than marine admiral are weak af
He is literally challenge 1vs1 with GB

[brave stratus]

That’s a theory ?

[late marsh]

no scrap that I'm probbably wrong

[brave stratus]

Actually

[late marsh]

I mean it could be a THEORY but definitely not a fact I think. I just misremembered

[vale current]

My quick theory is Cobra was the light that need to be put off from history that the Gorosei asked Imu. Before, Imu was holding Vivi's poster, and now, after Cobra's murder, she's gone missing.

Imu ripped the BB, Shirahoshi and Luffy posters, they aka ancient weapon, joyboy, Teach(?). Vivi is prob one of these key ppl related to ancient weapon/history. Imu then wanted Vivi in this sense.

[open vault]

That's literally impossible. I forgot which chapter but it was the last couple ones where the narrator says smt in the likes of " went on to become on of the greatest shogun" when speaking about him

[late marsh]

^ Oda literally wrote him to be one of the best wano shoguns that will ever be. Implying he won't die anytime soon before that reality is inevitably fulfilled

[open vault]

Ye was typing that as u said it 😂

[late marsh]

I got you m8

[swift flax]

Theory
-WG killed Corba

[autumn compass]

Can anyone join vc? I can’t seem to join

[brave stratus]

this channel needs lower cooldowns tho

[autumn compass]

:0

Minute cooldown? Tf??

[swift flax]

Theory
-WG killed Corba

Evidence 1

• The 5 Elders refers nefertati family as "Traitors" and they are going for a "Cleansing" .

Evidence 2

• Cobra was going to inquire WG about the Ponyglyphs . And we know WG massacred everyone who can even read those and constantly hunted down Robin becuase she can read those.

So killing him would be optimal since he knows too much

Evidence 3

• Imu for some reason is interested in vivi

[manic lichen]

I think, now that Sabo has been revealed to be the one to kill Nefetari Cobra, Luffy would not be able to see him the same way. We all know that for luffy his crewmembers are his family and he would do anything for them. Now, if he learns that his brother whom he just found out was not dead killed his ex -crew member's father for whom he fought for in a literal civil war, he would never be able to see him the 'brother' way, he would get more hostile against Sabo. That is why i also think Dragon looked so flustered about when he read the News-Coo was because Luffy would not like this.

[inland bramble]

Dragon read the news coo about sabo killing cobra? Where?

[weak arrow]

Luffy isn’t going to believe it unless Sabo tells him directly, so this won’t warp his perception.

[weak arrow]

Chapter 956

[long berry]

except knowing the government king cobra was most likely murdered by the wg because he was too hesitant to punish pirates and for helping the straw hats. luffy knows his brothers since childhood so he knows how they act. kind of like icebarg in water 7 situation except cobra actually died. they blamed the straw hats (sabo) for the murder of icebarg (cobra) when it was actually cp9 (world government). i dont think sabo killed cobra. and yeah like adam said luffy will not believe it because luffy trusts his brothers. the real reason dragon was flustered could have been because sabo was framed for the death of a MAJOR figure which could be dangerous. idfk though

[vale current]

Yes. This theory makes sense as Cobra's death is a red flag when Imu is interested in Vivi.

Quick theory a bit outlandish but Just like Shirahoshi as person, a king's daughter, is Poseidon, then it's possible Vivi (a king's daughter) could be an ancient weapon as well!?

[manic lichen]

did you not read the manga properly?
His reaction was right there

[manic lichen]

He would still be really angry or at he very least, shocked about the news, and would definitely rush to know the truth

[inland bramble]

956 that's too long, im not maniac like that who still remembered every detail.

[chrome dirge]

What if..shanks was actually using Luffy to get to the one piece...exploiting the fact that he has awakened the true nature of his devil fruit which is probably important to finding the one piece

[manic lichen]

huh, well fair enough.

[chrome dirge]

I don't think Sabo killed cobra. The world government probably did and pinned it on Sabo. The revolutionaries have zero reason to kill cobra so it makes no sense. Sabo isn't dumb

[vale current]

Btw Vivi is 18 yo and Shirahoshi 16 yo, they close of age too owo similarities @swift flax

[swift flax]

"The World Government is a global regime which has ruled the world for over 800 years since it was founded by an alliance of 20 different kingdoms"

"suppression of academia and history such as the Void Century and the Lineage Factor, the depravity of the aristocratic World Nobles and the falsification of the Empty Thronec

Lineage factor is intresting, it's possible the lineage factor of all the 20 founding families hold some degree of importance.

Look at all the celestial dragon that hold they privilege becuase of the lineage itself.

It's possible there is some sort if Weapon/Power/Authority that can only be used by agreement of 20 lineage and vivi is part of 20

[manic lichen]

Most likely not. Whitebeard clearly stated that Roger was waiting for a certain somebody and might've told Shanks that they were not the right ones to claim the one piece. There is a possibility that Rayleigh told Shanks to get the 'gomu gomu no mi' from the wg and probably even told him the reason for it. Shanks stating the he wants to go and claim the One piece now must indicate that he wants Luffy to hurry up as it is the right time to do so.

[swift flax]

I assume shirahoshi and the nefetari lineage are among few who didnt agreed to go to where CD lives and decided to stay down.

It's possible ancient weapons are originally owned by these 20 family who agreed to put them down

[manic lichen]

You are right, but even if he did not the news has already spread like wildfire, so it has become a really political matter

[chrome dirge]

The world government spread that false news but I think it had the opposite effect...people aren't condemning Sabo for killing a monarch. They're basically worshipping him as the flame emperor. We have to understand some context here, for us readers we know what king cobra is like but to the everyday citizens in one piece (except those from alabasta) he's just another king, another oppressor upholding the regime of the world government so Sabo "killing him" is sorta a symbol of rebellion against the world government to them

[manic lichen]

although, it can potentially harm the relations between Vivi and Luffy

[chrome dirge]

I doubt, luffy has faith in his friends and he's probably gonna give Sabo and vivi the benefit of the doubt until he actually has information on what really happened

[swift flax]

They aren't hoping for a negative feedback for Revolutionary.

They are trying to justify the brutal stuff they are going to do.

"They killed cobra, Marine will be taking strick actions to ensure safety of people"

[manic lichen]

But to Vivi, Sabo is just another stranger to her who is supposedly Luffy's elder brother, so her hating Sabo is not an impossible event

[clever lintel]

Plus it's possible that some of the 8 coups were orchestrated by the WG alongside infiltrating the RA to manufacture support for Cobra's murder in order to engineer hatred towards the RA.

Not dissimilar to real life governments funding insurgencies.

I'm thinking of COINTELPRO and coups across South America.

[dim cloak]

We don't yet know how much both know. They seem to be unaware of Vivi and Sabo's whereabouts, so it's highly likely Vivi knew her father could be in danger and Sabo contacted her, told her the truth and saved her from being silenced too.

The ship from Alabasta hasn't left port, so it is highly likely they are in hiding still in Mariejois.

[tepid escarp]

I think the ancient weapon will be used on greenbull

[dim cloak]

That's highly unlikely, as the WG would basically be staying coups against kingdoms that are allied with themselves. The most sensible outcome is that they were already discontented with their Kingdom, were staying a coup and they were ultimately driven to complete it once they saw Sabo "kill" Cobra, as an incentive that their rulers can be overthrown.

[dark palm]

[copper snow]

I strongly think that buggy and shanks will team up and go for the one piece it’s been their plan all along they were waiting for someone like luffy. Shanks told wg about buggy and their team up, and told them to hold back on capturing him after they abolished the warlord system. That’s how he escaped and that’s why he is named yonko.

[barren fox]

do people seriously believe sabo actually killed cobra?

[gusty bough]

as I am rereading the whole series again I'm at the chapter which carrot transforms to sulong and it looks similar to gear 5, white hair, red eyes, what if sun god nika was the first sulong or something, he lighted up the moon with his powers to make his "soldiers" (minks) more powerful after he will be gone.
also before luffy got to gear 5 form he was facing up the sky, and there was full moon. And what if Luffy can get to gear 5 only when there is full moon, so many mysteries...

[pure raven]

The issue with the WG killing Cobra and pinning it on Sabo is it benefits the revolutionary army more than the WG so I’m unsure which PR team thought it was the best course of action

[dim cloak]

I mean, the alternative is either being found out or being in trouble of being found out after an inside investigation.

It was better for them to just find a suitable scapegoat. They couldn't predict the outcome would be this detrimental, but at least they weren't found out as the culprits of killing a nation's leader for "knowing too much".

[solemn latch]

well. even in the real world alot of governments are incompetent. if it got leaked that they killed cobra that would be alot worse. the revolution in the eight countries are also based on a lie right now. a weak foundation because its not true.

[pure raven]

That’s true. However it comes down to the idea on if Cobra is considered the ‘light that needs quenching’ that the Gorosei asked Imu about.

This could also link to the idea that Cobra had found something out that he shouldn’t have, and thought he could talk to the Gorosei about it.

[dim cloak]

Well I mean, they don't know it's not true, they just saw the revolutionaries killed a leader of one of the 20 nations and, since they were discontent, they decided to follow suit and stage coups after seeing nation leaders don't have shit.

The 8 coups were probably something that was already on the works, it was just ignited even further by the fake news.

[swift flax]

Currently Revolutionary army have sympathy because WG was kinda shady and Fked up time to time.

But now that revolutionary army is blamed with killing Cobra , they can go guns blazing against them without losing any face .

Average citizen can no longer defend revolutionary , anything less than compliance is treason .

Marine now have a excuse for war crimes