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[copper frost]

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[radiant crown]

Is that a theory or?

[prime hare]

ofc

[radiant crown]

based on?

[ionic musk]

https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiece/comments/wx1nde/the_red_line_and_the_final_war/In

Little garden the giants say and I quote "The only thing we cant pierce is the snake soaked in blood"

I think this is a reference to Jörmungandr in Norse mythology. Jörmungandr is a snake that is Loki's child and surrounds the world. Now, what is Red and surrounds the world in one piece? The red line.

Another thing to mention is when Jörmungandr lets go of his tail it is a sign for Ragnarok to start. For those who don't know Ragnarok is the final war in Norse mythology where Gods battle. At the end of Ragnarok, the world starts over. A "New world" or "New era"

Yes, I believe that Luffy will destroy the Red line. It's a bit of a stretch but he will destroy only the middle of the red line where Marejoa and Fishman Island are. It means the snake "Let's go of his tail" I know it sounds like a stretch but destroying a part of the redline as in letting go of Jörmungandr's tail.

So When Luffy destroys Red Line Ragnarok will start. Ragnarok meaning The final war or the Great war will start. And the World government knows of this because THEY ARE THE GODS. Ragnarok was destined to happen and the gods knew that, same case in one piece.

So let's review. Luffy destroys the Red line and more importantly FISHMAN ISLAND. And the Fishmen will be Evacuated using the Noah, and fluffy will pull it coz he's Joyboy. So Madam Shirley was correct, but No one will die. Then all the seas will connect making the all blue. Yes another thing to mention is THIS.

That it should be read as "一つなぎ" - a more or less literal Japanese translation of "(in) one piece".[9]

That it should be read as "人繋ぎ" - a phrase roughly translating to "the rope linking all men".[10]

That it should be read as "hitotsu-nagi" or "一つ凪" - a phrase roughly translating to "one sea at peace".

When Luffy destroys the red line he will make the seas ONE PIECE and he will connect all men and finally, he will create one sea at peace. YES JUST LIKE THE TRANSLATIONS ABOVE WITH THE ACT OF DESTROYING THE RED LINE HE CREATES THE ROPE LINKING ALL MEN, ONE SEA and make the seas ONE PIECE. (plus I'm Japanese so I can confirm these translations are basically correct)

Ok, now after that the Great war will start. At the end of the war the work will "restart" or there will be a new era. An era of peace an era of freedom.

If you can add more things to this theory please comment and upvote coz I'm really proud of this theory

[weak arrow]

I agree with pretty much all of this other than the sea kings commanded by shirahoshi are going to be pulling Noah, and this should happen after the Great War, not before it. Destroying the red line means destroying Marejois which is something that really only makes sense as a post war thing.

[meager jasper]

Wanted to write down an idea I had to check what you guys think about it. Do you think Shanks gave Luffy the strawhat as a point of reference for the other Roger Pirates so they could recognize Joyboy when they met him? I have a feeling that Roger placed several of his crew members at noteworthy places to help Luffy in his journey. Crocus at the entrance of the Grand line, Rayleigh at the start of the new world. I think Shanks was tasked with finding the next joyboy and giving him Roger's hat as a means of identification.

[pure raven]

Good idea

[modest skiff]

@prime hare @flat hollow please read the channel description. This channel is intended for in depth theories with evidence and whatnot. "what if" one liner kinds of discussions can go in the other manga channels though

[dim cloak]

There is no actual basis for this because Zoan users can stay in their other forms for indefinite amounts of time. Point in case: Chopper.

Besides, for how Rocks has been described, you really think such a vicious pirate would just give up and become a journalist? Morgans is strong, as we've seen him take out what seemed like a Vice Admiral, but it is clear that he is motivated by actual journalistic desire to spread what's going on in the world AND by his innate greed.

There is no correlation between the two of them and the fact he prefers to stay in his hybrid form isn't a clue or hint, neither a clear connection.

This is how you do it people.

[fervent quartz]

yeah u right but some dumbass mod warned me for it because "it was a joke" when i was being legit and i think chopper is an exception and that was always his form and maybe his zoan form is where he turns into those different creatures but i still think big news morgan is someone because he does hate the world government and maybe when xebec got defeated he got a passion for writing but idk its just a theory

[dim cloak]

You probably shouldn't open your response with mod insults, you're kinda asking to be muted or banned. People normally ask for basis on theories presented, so it's no duh people thought you were either trolling or making non-effort bait.

Anyways, there is no basis for what you said about his hybrid being Chopper's "true form" because we literally see in his past he was a normal reindeer, he ate the fruit and became human and when he's fighting Wapol's henchmen, they clearly bring up a chart detailing his 3 transformations and we see that Morgan, much like Chopper, prefers to stay in his hybrid form rather than his human one. His other transformations are a result of the Rumble Ball allowing him to alter the wavelength of his DF to modify his transformations.

Besides, Morgan works as a neutral party that the WG sometimes pays to cover up shit, how is he against the WG? He's literally a neutral party because is a journalist. He can't affiliate with people because that cuts him access to places (like when he went to Big Mom's Tea Party, if he was affiliated with the WG/Navy, he wouldn't had been able to go there, much less get invited).

We know so little about Xebec that there is no point in theorizing if he is still alive and is (x) character because (something-something, we've never seen their true form). At this point in time, we can only assume he is dead or imprisoned.

[weak arrow]

@fallen fox Serious theories only for this channel.

[dim cloak]

Saying that Xebec's alive or dead status would've influenced Marineford is beyong silly. Big Mom was alive and could've intervened in Marineford, yet she didn't because she didn't give a crap. Why would Xebec want to intervene in Marineford if he was alive?

Also, you say that Xebec is "too powerful" for Impel Down standards, have you seen the place? It's literally hell on Earth. The top criminals put down in Level 6 have joined as BlackBeard's commanders and they themselves said than a single villain from Level 6 getting out would be able to put an entire island's well-being into jeopardy.

You're not making any sense. You're either understanding Xebec wrong or overestimating him.

[lone hedge]

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[primal plank]

Barto destroy shanks jolly flag to pissed them and maybe to prevent them from getting one piece and luffy gonna take advantage to have it.

[lone hedge]

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[ashen surge]

I really really love your interpretation of Red Line of being "a snake soaked in blood". That's probably one of the best analysis I've seen in a long time on ths channel. But yeah, the takes on One Piece's reading japanese name is a common theory that in the end of One Piece, all seas will be connected and the red line will be destroyed.

[mellow basalt]

One Piece = Piece of string??????

[ionic musk]

?

[inland isle]

Franky gear 4 sunny 😳😳😳😳😳

[lone hedge]

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[ionic briar]

weird theory that i saw on yt since the uta's bink's sake was released, it was said there that it's a possibility that everyone who sings bink's sake that was released officially could potentially be a plot point, however, there's some things i'd like to add, it's also possible that whoever sings bink's sake could either be the only people who could probably die in the war/final fight (if there is one, which most likely would there be especially because of the wg knowing about luffy's devil fruit) or the only people who could survive the war, just a weird theory i had in mind ig

[glacial plaza]

This theory was already made by anime uproar and anime balls deep low key nice try tho😹

[glacial plaza]

No Shanks gave Luffy the straw hat just because he felt like it at that time. He came to Foosha Village and stayed there for like an year he came there to meet Ace and give him Nika Fruit that he stole it from Who’s who but due the Nika fruit will calling luffy he ate it and that’s why shanks was pancaking a bit.

[prisma laurel]

dragons gonna turn on sabo??

dragon turns on sabo then luffy goes to help sabo then thats when he meats dragon and stuff goes down lol ik its a terrible theory

[glacial plaza]

I don’t think it will work like that because you can’t just put devil fruit and infuse it in anything. When Vegapunk crated the Kaido devil fruit replica he called it an failure but we can see that when momo etas it he’s literally becomes like kaido himself but Vegapunk he knew that there was no way to also add the Will of fruit so he deemed it as a failure. Will of the fruit is also the same thing that helps you guide and know how to control your powers but since Momo devil fruit doesent have one that’s why you see him struggling so much even tho it’s the exact copy of Kiado

[fathom shoal]

Will of fruit ain't confirmed.

[vestal raptor]

zou is sogeking

[glacial plaza]

It is confirmed the Gorosie literally says “Nika has been running away for the past 400 years” 🗿you cannot tell me that if Klabautermann exists so doese the will of devil of fruit

When luffy went to 5th gear the will of Nika was literally taking half over and you see that by how much luffy was laughing if you don’t think that’s the will of the devil fruit trying to take over then idk what you’ve been reading and watching for the past 10 to 5 years😹😹

[fathom shoal]

Okay why has the super awakening only happened to Luffy? Shouldn't the will of fruit be available to all? And nika is a sun god he isn't confinde in a DF! I'd re-read if I was you! This is OP discord not MHA

[glacial plaza]

That ain’t no super awakening💀 Luffy had his devil fruit since he was a kid on he’s like 18 or 19 ovb he’s gonna master and awaken it but he just didn’t know how to until his fight with kaido we’ve just never seen luffy fight anybody like Kaido that’s the reason he unwillingly unlocked it while being on the death floor

[merry sleet]

Any theories on what Urouge might be up to?

[zinc iris]

a common theory is that he joined BB as the 10th captain

[merry sleet]

Urouge SZN 🙏🙏

[fathom shoal]

I dont think Urouge joined BB as there isn't a good strawhat matchup for him

[merry sleet]

SH grand fleet might play a part in that fight tbh

We know they’re gonna part of something big but not sure if it’s BB or the final war against WG. Or both

[fathom matrix]

WAIT, I JUST HAD AN IDEA

What if they don't fight Black Beard Yet, BUT all 10 straw hats fight the 10 titanic captains, but Luffy fights BB later near the end of the story?

We assumed if there was an 11th Strawhat, someone like Yamato would have fought them, BUT since we only have 10 crew members, Luffy would probably fight the 10, possibly being aokiji?

[pure raven]

Most likely all of Luffy's allies will join the fight and it will still match. Grand Fleet is massive army of allies but not all of allies need to join it to still be allies in final battle. Yamato might be another of those allies, so is Wano Samurais and Minks.

[fathom shoal]

I think each strawhat faces a captain and then luffy 1v1's BB, it is set up to perfectly for it not to happen, and I think they won't fight on pirate island, I think it will be on different islands

[radiant crown]

I figure next chap we find out Sabo has Vivi, and they are on the run probably aiming to meet up with either the strawhats as vivi knows them or revolutionaries.

BB or marines will intercept capture them and potentially hand them over to the marines, just like what happened with Ace, and the stage is set for the final war

[compact raptor]

I'm still standing firm on my theory that the secret ivankov has about crocodile is that he's a former slave or something related, ivankov is a revo, he saved crocodile, that was the lowest point in his life that's why he doesn't want anyone to know about it, and also why his theme is royalty: sir, desert king, etc

yeah he's not the only one with royalty theme

[raw laurel]

Carrot joins in the next few chapters

[fair escarp]

That’s what I am thinking as well. I don’t think Sabo killed cobra. There was a chapter where the five elders asked Imu which name should be purged. He had a knife on vivi’s photo and also plus the fact that Cobra’s family were deemed as traitors by the 5 elders. So probably my guess is that CP0 was involved and killed Cobra. Sabo must have saved Vivi from that demise. At the very least I hope Sabo didn’t kill Cobra because otherwise Luffy would have to fight his last remaining brother .

[pine lance]

I think i got it ppl get conquerors haki in order we had luffy zoro now nami next is ussop thats in order of them joining

[lone hedge]

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[radiant crown]

I think its a reasonable theory and certainly plausible that more strawhats will display conquerors , I think finding the right circumstances will be hard

[zinc iris]

I don't expect that many conq users to be there

[whole needle]

luffy will be able to swim , hence he will be the free-est man

[radiant crown]

Rogers crew had atleast 4 canon users of CoC that we know of.

[late token]

Roger rayleigh shanks and?

[radiant crown]

Oden

[fathom matrix]

I just realised, does each admiral animal represent their loyalty to the WG?

Akainu: Dog (obeys the government and is dedicated)

Aokiji: Bird (birds represent freedom and he's free from following the WG)

Kizaru: Monkey (monkey sees, monkey do. Blindly follows orders)

Fujitora: Tiger (Tigers are enemies of Dragons, might defy what the WG stands for)

Ryokogyu: Bull (charging in blindly without thinking to straight up fight and ask questions later)

[zinc iris]

or cattle

[daring swift]

does anyone have any information regarding the lunarian sanji theory? I've seen some people talk about it online but i haven't seen much proof for it besides the fact he can create fire

[late token]

I think that’s about it. Everything else would be a stretch. I think another point was that judge experimented with lineage factor but that would tie in with the fact he can create fire. But then again there are so many characters that can create fire that it’s nothing special ^^

[radiant crown]

Luffy can create fire with red hawk but he's not lunarian

[daring swift]

i guess its more so that sanji has zero explaination. Pre timeskip he had to to the twirl thing but he can just activate jambe without it post ts. Luffy's is vaguely explained with friction/vulkanisation of rubber

||or maybe nika powers?||

[late token]

There are other fire powers with zero explanation. Like why can the belly lion of Holdem spit fire?

[daring swift]

oh yeah i forgot about that guy

[zinc iris]

I think the lineage factor experimentation was supposed to give him invisibility power, as he was meant to be Stealth Black

catching fire like that could still be the domain of exaggerated friction like Luffy's red hawk and red roc

[daring swift]

do you think sanji will unlock invis without the suit

[woeful juniper]

theory: ||Luffy and zoro die in the final war so sanji becomes the king of the pirates in luffys in will and at the same time becomes the worlds strongest swordsman (his cooking skills with a knife) he already is skilled with knifes as we have seen in enies lobby in the train so i think this will happen.||

[pure raven]

he already has

[pure raven]

in the original japanese he doesn't talk about a secret, but a weakness. So he's almost certainly talking about water

[zinc iris]

it was a weakness that deeply troubled him, being tangible while drenched is probably known at this point and he probably wisened up to actually dodging considering how many people have at least basic armament haki at this level anyway

[pine lance]

That aint happending unless oda is on sum

[atomic bane]

the last panel of one piece is gonna be brook singing binks sake to straw hats grave

[daring swift]

oh sorry i must've missed that. Could you tell me when he did that?

[wide glacier]

What’s the chance shanks has a D in his real name

[raw laurel]

The true king of zou

[outer bison]

50/50 imo

[lone hedge]

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[raw laurel]

Who @ me

[heady parrot]

the east blue 5 are all conquerors and will be revealed in order of them joining the crew

luffy: confirmed 1st is first
zoro: confirmed 2nd joined 2nd
nami: “gag” confirmed 3rd “fake” joined 3rd
usopp: joined 4th (theorized to get coc in elbaf)
sanji: joined 5th = 5th coc user?
nami: actually joins = actual confirmation after every other members official confirmation?

a stretch but hey i feel there’s a likely parallel between xebec and luffy with both of them potentially having 4-5 conquerors under them at the peak of their career. if it stops with just zoro then it maintains the more obvious gold roger parallel though so that’s fine too.

[slate mirage]

What parallel? Roger pirates had 3 conqueror users.

[modest skiff]

I’m not seeing why people call Nami’s a gag. The lightning was there and Jinbe commented on it

[dim cloak]

There is, but I just don't see what kind of kingly ambition Nami has for it to manifest, which is why I, personally, think this is just Oda setting up a gag and the Conquerer's displayed being a bait like "Oh, her voice is like thunder." or something. I dunno, it just wouldn't make sense nor would I like if they just started gifting CoC to anybody.

Specially because Nami is a bit of a coward and unambitious person. Sure, she likes and will do anything for treasure and she has her world map thing, but it isn't something like "coming above others" like Luffy and Zoro for it to manifest outside of a gag baiting us into it. The only exception to this is when kids are involved and while her will is strong for her to, even when crying for her life, not being able to lie to save herself to Ulti, it just doesn't make a whole lotta sense.

Those are my thoughts though, Oda could do it and I could be wrong, but it wouldn't sit well with me.

[upper saddle]

hey guys do you think that zoro´s bounty means something?? or oda just give him that bounty to surpass jimbei´s?

[lone hedge]

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[upper saddle]

i think the only way to destroy the red line y with the four ancestral weapons but luffy refused using pluton, so i think shanks will do it. knowing that theres a theory that shanks is actually evil.

[daring warren]

I think nami haves conquerors haki

[fathom matrix]

Just realised, I think Oda was referencing the fact Franky in the bad future becomes a ship, AND THAT'S WHY THE SUNNY GOT TAKEN A PICTURE OF

[ashen surge]

@gloomy canyon #manga-theories message can this get pinged

[gloomy canyon]

Yeah sure

[astral gate]

Buggy=god

[modest skiff]

!theories

[lone hedge]

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[weak arrow]

@quasi bramble film red information is only allowed in #film-red

[autumn cairn]

Some ramblings: Since we know from the gorosai that zoans have a will of their own, to the extent that the nika fruit has managed to run away from the WG for centuries. It seems awfully convenient that the regular version of the hito hito no mi was eaten by an animal who was then intellectually capable enough to become one of the greatest doctors in the world. Could the fruit will itself to be found by animals? I also wonder if maybe an ancient user of the fruit is a forefather of the mink tribe. Also, it seems interesting that chopper’s big and strong form’s drawback is very similar to luffy’s old gear 3 drawback. Both become small and weak, but chopper is a geezer while luffy becomes more like a kid. It might be a nod to chopper’s age as real raindeer have a natural lifespan that chopper is approaching. I think the hito hito no mi is giving him a human lifespan, but maybe he becomes an eternal youth operation target to preserve his medical expertise and rapid growth. Also, knowing that a human hito hito no mi user might be unaware that it’s a zoan, I think other models may exist and Blackbeard is my top candidate for having one due to the odd (for the class) behavior of his alleged logia. From there I think that the hito hito no mi is what allows Blackbeard to have a second fruit. If this is the case it opens the possibility of eternal youth chopper with the op op fruit which I think would be pretty epic, and allow chopper to truly cure every type of illness including toxin/heavy metal buildup. I wonder if they know about cancer in OP. Whitebeard clearly had it, but why didn’t he seek out law to cure him as soon as law became known to the world? He should be able to extract it all quick and easy in one go, and who the hell can say no to Whitebeard?

I also wonder if the basic hito hito no mi actively seeks out animals so that it doesn’t have to share its will with another human. It may want to be its own (wo)man

[verbal horizon]

I fw this

[tame mortar]

Alright, this is my theory about a scenario where Yamato would be 10th Straw Hat after 1058. And it involves Vivi and the Revolutionary.

Disclaimer: Yes, I'm a pro-joining, and you can say hopium or whatever, I don't really care.
At the very least I am not one of those irresponsible folks who bash others that said Yamato won't join.
I accepted Yamato won't join as a crew but probably grand fleet, and this text is about IF Oda decided to change his mind and make Yamato catch up to Straw Hats. A big IF.

No direct story return on Wano
Based on current developments, it is highly unlikely that we get another story involving Wano, especially with the Act-based "The End" curtain. Based on past events, we know that once an island is done, they won't be revisited. The only exception is Sabaody, but that's a whole different story.

Rather than thinking of unnecessary headcanons, Yamato will stay in Wano to explore as mentioned, however poorly written that was. So there is no reason for her to go chasing off Luffy after this late.

If, by any chance, Oda ever rethink about his decision to make Yamato the 10th Straw Hat after the reception of 1057, the only way to do it is to make an outside influence that forces Yamato to actually go chase Luffy, since Wano story already settled.

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Kuma's Paw Fruit escape plan
On 1058, we learned that Sabo got split with the rest before the assassination. Come to think of it, how did that revo-giant & Kuma already returned safely to Kamabakka?
Easiest and simplest answer is through Kuma's Paw Fruit. And it is perfectly logical: Their goal was Kuma, and Kuma's power is also the escape plan, a success-or-die situation. Remember WCI with Ceasar Mirror Escape Plan?

Since the revos got split up, a scenario that comes up would be: Kuma send off all other revos until only him and Sabo. Then something happened, which leads to the assassination. At some point, Kuma sent himself to Kamabakka.

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Vivi comes to Wano
So why Sabo got split up with the rest? Most likely something happened with Vivi and Cobra, and Sabo (with Kuma) decided to help them. Vivi rescued, Cobra gone, Sabo framed as murderer, then all escaped.

With Kuma in Kamabakka, questions raised. Considering how Paw fruit works, Kuma has to be the last to teleport. Simply put, Sabo could be in Kamabakka as well. And Vivi could also be there too. So why not?

The answer is that Vivi wanted to go back to Luffy, rather than with the Revos or back to Alabasta. She trusted Luffy more than the revos (as is Robin), and probably if someone dares to kill Cobra in Mariejois, Alabasta isn't a safe place anymore.

It is in the news already that Luffy is in Wano at that time, through Big Mom's movement to Wano. Mariejois is 10k meters on the Red Line, there's nothing in between that and Wano other than empty sky, unless some big Sky Island is there somewhere.
So, Kuma sent Vivi to Wano.

Is Sabo sent to Wano as well? Could be, but Wano's closed. So far we only get to see just one regular Dendenmushi in Wano, which was used by X-Drake to Coby. Hard to imagine Sabo got that one. Beast Pirates might have some as well, but so far we got nothing to see but offscreens. I consider this as just small possibility.

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Yamato's outside influence
Vivi reaches Wano, but Straw Hats already left. Momo and others might question Vivi's alliance with Straw Hats, or may be not. Momo & Kin could learn about Vivi during their journey with Straw Hats. But one thing certain, they share a bond about being saved by Straw Hats, just like the princess harem gathering that happened during Levely.

The news about Sabo being framed as murderer might not reach Vivi's ears, but if she knows that Sabo isn't the murderer, but from someone within the WG, she can guess what will be shown in WG-controlled newspaper. And she will feel obliged to tell Luffy what actually happened, considering Sabo is Luffy's brother. A murder accusation is nothing light, and confirmation is important, as I can't see Luffy just putting this news off without confirming himself.

With Vivi in Wano, she has 2 options. Stays in a safe place guarded by a big Straw Hat flag, or pursue Luffy further. Either way, the truth must be passed along, and this could be the driving force of Yamato actually catching up to the Straw Hats. Who knows if she has Luffy's vivre card, considering she's actually the one who made Ace's vivre card.

All of this story could happened in next island, when Yamato (and might be Vivi) makes her surprise entrance at unexpected time, and be told in flashback style. This way, the story does not return to Wano directly, and aligned with Wano's end of curtain.
Wano is now just a setting for another story unrelated to Wano characters.

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Bonus: some headcanon reasons
Here is a complete headcanon without any backup, to add more reason IF Oda decided to make Yamato catch up with Luffy later (again, a big IF).

Yamato hides her original reason to stay in Wano to Momo, that is to protect Wano from someone like Aramaki if he showed up ever again. Shanks' Haki was felt by the Scabbards minus Kin. During the morning goodbyes, Yamato talked about it with the scabbards and straw hats. That's why Yamato was hesitant until the last minute during the end of ch 1056. She was hesitant to stay rather than going with Luffy, but it has to be done.

Later on, Momo (and our beloved Kin who knows nothing) finally learned about what happened, and he got angry about it. Then banishing Yamato from Wano, to make her chase Straw Hats.

TL:DR Soon or later, Luffy will hear about Sabo's assassination of Cobra, and do something about it.
Revos saves Kuma, and Paw fruit was the escape plan. Rest of commanders got sent off, only Sabo and Kuma left, but then something happened with Vivi and Cobra.
Vivi rescued, and wish to go to Luffy rather than Revos or Alabasta, and sent by Kuma to Wano, but SH has already left. Yamato has to bring either Vivi or the news about Sabo's innocence to the Straw Hats.

[zinc iris]

So you claim carrot was actually hiding on the ship this chapter

[raw laurel]

Yes

[raw laurel]

Next time she will return because break next week and in 2 weeks it's the moon watching festival which in japan has a big connection to rabbits and machines so katakuri in the covee

[zinc iris]

Did Oda ever align his chapters for such things?

[raw laurel]

Oda is nuts for aligning things like I believe wano was rushed at the end because 1057 was exactly 100 chapters since act 3 began.

So oda rushed it to line up with 100 exactly.

Luffys birthday is may 5th because it’s children’s day.

Zoro’s bounty is a reference to his birthday.

So when oda was writing 1057 carrot was going to join but oda said “ hang on next chapter lines up with the moon watching festival “. And changed it around

[zinc iris]

Well

Wano also stopped at like 149 chapters in length when it could have gone for 150
The weird pacing was to align with the release of Film Red because Oda still is beholden to the publisher

Most of the birthdays have been suggested by readers and Oda just said sure why not

If Oda is making carrot join he held it off at 1057 because he wanted to first do the switcheroo by benching Yamato, much like vivi and robin

I don't recall precedents for wanting themed chapters based on release day, and even numerology has been very rare (only 100 and 1000 for being obvious milestones)

[raw laurel]

It’s rare but it is something that fits oda’s characteristics.

Yamato was never going to join unlike vivi.

Momo is a better comparison to vivi here

[coarse river]

Agreed.
Black lightning was never used as a gag before.

[pure raven]

Theory: Nami might be Scopper Gabban's daughter

Jinbei felt Conqueror's Haki from Nami in the latest chapter and there have been instances in the manga where it was implied to be hereditary.

Nami was also very good at navigation as a child.

From here on it's speculation
Scopper was probably the navigator for the Rogers Crew and later had a child taught her a bit of his skills and abandoned her like all one piece dads.

[zinc iris]

Mind you sometimes lightning is black just because it's so thin so it's drawn as a pure line

[meager portal]

Interesting...

[raw laurel]

She may be Spencer’s kid

[zinc iris]

I'm not that thrilled of this descendants idea

One piece got it right when Luffy was not Roger's son

[raw laurel]

Also nami home was attacked by pirates when she was a baby so she never met her dad.

I think she connects to shiki

[coarse river]

• Black lightning never used as a gag
• Black lightning style (spreading around from the char)
• Anger is often used as CoC unleash method
• Jinbe's comment

• Pure gag visualization just like the fire on her head

Any other I missed?

[coarse river]

As some people have said before

• Zoro and Sanji's bounty comes from their birthday

Zoro November 11th : 1.101.100.000
Sanji March 2nd : 1.032.000.000

In comparison, Mihawk's and Crocodile's is based on a pun on their names.

• Jinbe's bounty is partially a gag to troll Sanji

1. Usually very close to Zoro is Sanji, but this time it's Jinbe.
2. To make Sanji's bounty once again the 4th highest. Back then it was Robin, then Usopp, and now Jinbe.

• Bonus (predictions):

Go(5) mu(6) : Final Bounty 5,600,000,000, slightly above Roger of 5.56b

Zo(3) ro(6) : Final Bounty 3,600,000,000, slightly above Mihawk of 3.59b

San(3) ji(2) : Final Bounty 2,032,000,000, slightly above Crocodile of 1.96b and 1b increase from previous bounty

[zinc iris]

5.6B works on many levels
It's slightly more than Roger's 5.5B, signaling he finally surpassed the previous PK but not exaggeratedly
Also in Japanese it will be written as 56億 and 56 is a number often associated to Luffy because of go-mu

Sanji might just be a clean 3B at that point

[coarse river]

I'm a huge Sanjibro, but I believe more in some theories.

1. About Emperor Bounty threshold
   The lowest Emperor's bounty is Blackbeard's of 2.2, and any higher bounty is held by half-Emperors. Kidd Law that defeat BM, and Mihawk that is WSS.
   Which mean, Sanji's bounty won't ever surpass BB.

2. Narratively, unless his Exoskeleton stuff takes part heavily in future world direction, I don't think he is that big of a threat to the WG, even if he has the strength.

3. The other is about his current bounty is very close to "YC1" Katakuri right now, 1032 to 1057.
   It's possible his final bounty is very close to "Emperor" Blackbeard, 2032 to 2.2b

4. Above's prediction, Luffy/Zoro/Sanji will surpass Roger's/Mihawk's/Crocodile's bounty a bit.

What do you think?

[zinc iris]

BB will of course be bigger than that

And your previous prediction has Zoro too surpassing BB's current bounty

[coarse river]

1. Yes, but that was because that particular number is established first (BB with 2.2).
   I think one of the reason why he gets that "low" in the first place is to set a threshold. Just like how the known Yonko's commanders so far didn't surpass 1.49b. We can also say that Emperor's threshold is 1.5b with Luffy's, but then we see Crocodile's getting that high.

2. That's because Mihawk's bounty is what I categorized as half-Emperor, like Law and Kidd. And for story-wise, World's Strongest [X] is Emperors.

I'm all in for Sanji's bounty to be super high, but that still requires narrative reasoning. I once wrote that it's possible Sanji fulfilling his declaration to be the most dangerous (?) person to the Marine in Thriller Bark, with his Exoskeleton.

Long story short, Exoskeleton is discount Mythical Zoans without it's drawback (can't swim). Sanji's in particular, further removes the drawback of having his Emotions got modified, or erased. If his body is allowed to be researched and the result of that experiments can be mass-produced, he will literally change the OP world. It's skill-floor will be upgraded several levels, everyone can at least have Veteran level strengths, everyone can have abilities like DF but still can swim, etc.

[zinc iris]

Just saying I don't see Zoro and Sanji being put more than a billion apart especially one 50%+ bigger than the other

[coarse river]

True. This is something that is, and always will be a fundamental concept between them.

I think that's one of the reason why Buggy's is 3.189. so Sanji's can surpass his amount, which is 3.200. 32 is Sanji's number, so, pure 3.2b like you said is makes sense and highly possible.

[random harbor]

I kinda feel like luffys Final bounty will be 6billion And yeah zoro will past Mihawk so maybe 4billion then Jimbie Possibly 3 billion Something And Sanji 2 or 3billion Robin Maybe 1 billion something and nami close to a billion because she is the one who finds the onepiece or navegate to the onepiece Maybe less idk like 600 million but ill still say close to billion but like idk franky 800 million usopp 1billion something maybe higher due to the fact he is good gun man well sniper but still Also he might have observation v2 so Brooke 700 million chopper maybe a million or less or higher who knows We could all be wrong on this Bounty guessing.

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[soft urchin]

I think Crocodile's fruit was already awakened back in Arabasta considering he could turn areas to sand

[left falcon]

ah, good catch

[zinc iris]

IIRC he also explained that it was clever use of his already available power, he was using his sand to grind the terrain into more sand that then he could control

rather than transmuting materials to sand like katakuri and doflamingo could do with mochi and strings

[soft urchin]

perhaps. seems like a negligible difference in practice though

[heady parrot]

sounds like awakening properties but before oda thought of awakenings lol

[zinc iris]

if that's awakening then something like gear second would be either

[heady parrot]

if crocodile had been introduced later his dry-out ability turning things into sand would’ve been two separate abilities with the sand part being his awakening. alabasta was just too early.

g2 is more like luffy being dumb enough to believe he can make himself faster by pumping his rubbery veins. g3 is him being dumb enough to believe air would make his fist have the mass of a giant and that air can flow between bones.

i truly believe the one thing that makes luffy capable of using the gomu/nika in the way he does is his stupidity

[left falcon]

luffy is a bit creative in his own way though, so it's not that easily comparable

[solid creek]

The giants at the end of thriller bark was imus ability

[zinc iris]

but luffy has not been the only clever user, oblique use of DF abilities is expected at a certain level

[upper saddle]

Yeah and now with the nefertari royal family destroyed, viví can't go back to arabasta so she has to join the strawhasts

[left falcon]

chill dude, the straw hats are literally on the other side of the globe lol

[fluid slate]

Saw this on tiktok but could crocodile acc be a woman?
(Or oda foreshadowing)

[weak arrow]

It's already been heavily hinted by Ivankov all the way back during Impel Down arc that crocodile used to be a woman. This could be further hinting.

[fluid slate]

Foreshadowing god doing his thing

[iron bolt]

him saying weakness implies water imo, he knows he can’t do anything if he’s wet

[viral heron]

oke guys just now I was looking into zoros new bounty what could his bounty mean. And you can read number 1 as ( hitotsu, hito, hi, ichi, i, wan. and 0 like maru, ma, wa rei, re ō, zero, ze ) so if you read 1 as wan and add 0 which you read as o u can get wano and if you read 1 again as hito you get wano hito (hito meaning human) so its like human from wano . so what do you guys think ?

and sanjis 32mil literally can translate as SAN JI his name

[radiant crown]

I thought the thing about Zoro's bounty was that it was a palindrome or something. I don't see the relevance of learning that Zoro is from Wano

[viral heron]

yea but its only thing I can see in it maybe you can find other japanese word meaning in it that make sense try it 😄 xD

[daring swift]

but crocs weakness to water is probably well known. Luffy discovered it and he's not exactly the sharpest tool in the shed. He also doesn't freak out nearly as much when luffy actually started using water against him. Plus luffy basically exposed crocs weakness to water in front of everyone during marineford when he attack wb. His reaction was just mild annoyance, nothing like the distress he shows here. If water was this big weakness or secret of his that ivankov was using to get him to cooperate then he would've left when luffy exposed it. He instead stayed and took on doffy and even akainu, someone who could easily kill crocodile. His weakness to water is not important enough for him to risk his own life to help luffy.

[soft urchin]

That fight took place underground and the Marines took credit at the time. Most people wouldn't know his weakness

[pure raven]

he does it in the queen fight by moving too fast than the eye can see for prolonged periods of time

[heady parrot]

a weakness to water is just something that’s too easily found out especially if any smart character put two and two together that croc is made of sand and water makes sand stick like water is everywhere and getting an opponent a little wet (especially when it’s confirmed blood works) shouldn’t be so out of the ordinary that his weakness is something guarded that highly. like obviously he won’t advertise it to everyone, but even just narratively it makes little sense for ivankov to referring to the water weakness in that situation. it definitely implies something the reader isn’t aware of yet and the reader already knows about crocs weakness.

it’s not like the internet exists in op so unless you’re someone like big mom (who has a massive intelligence network), the knowledge of another person across the globes specific weakness probably wouldn’t get to you.

his reaction also just doesn’t line up with ivankov saying “lol you’re weak to water scrub”

[runic leaf]

in simple words crocos a girl a girl and cant do anything when she gets ‘wet’

[pure raven]

The only ones that can be limited by Shanks' killer observation are people without CoC or lacking training in advanced Observation Haki. I don't think that Mihawk would win being limited by another ones ability. Probably he is trained enough to withstand this kind of ability.

Which brings my thoughts to another thing, that D. means a deed. All of the D. clan members have their own deeds either accomplished or not. For example Rocks' deed is threat to rule the world. Luffy's most probably is to bring freedom to whole world which Roger possibly wanted as well. We know that Luffy and Roger had the same wish as well as Blackbeard and Rocks have. Passing on the deed of total rule over the world or total freedom. Shanks might be D. Xebec but carrying another kind of deed we still don't know about. Maybe something we will learn in the next saga? Going by this, I think Ace's deed was to indirectly start a new era, Jaguar D. Saul's deed was to bring out the forgotten and forbidden knowledge to the world and Traffalgar's D. Water Law's deed can also be not certain by now, only when we see it in the future.

That's why when it's not finished, the deed comes to another person from the D. clan.

Going by this, Garp's was to be a hero of opposing force to start a rebellion after dissobeying World Government at some point, knowing how respected he is by all the marines and that probably some of them will follow him.

[daring swift]

thats still the entire marine corp

[daring swift]

i guess but i meant more that he could do the invisibility like the suit does

[raw laurel]

14 what the...

[pure raven]

Is it possible that the will of D means Dick energy? And since the rubber fruit can lengthen your dick endlessly, you only reveal the will of d with the rubber fruit ?

[visual merlin]

that could just be bounties of other people

I doubt oda put any thought into the extra posters flying around

[visual merlin]

This channel is just for serious theories

[pure raven]

I honestly believe this was oda‘s first thought before he came up with the whole story of one piece

[soft urchin]

i doubt the entire corps would be privy to that info

[pure raven]

I'll take it as a compliment nobody argues with my theory :v

[radiant crown]

D is passed down by name, I could believe each bloodline having a specific "deed" as you described, but I don't think there's just a random lottery of "deeds" that people born with the name D get assigned.

However this runs into an issue with the monkey family, as you could make me believe that dragon and luffy have the same deed of "freedom for everyone". But Garp doesnt believe that

[steep crow]

I saw someone else say it was in reference to his birthday. Not sure how though.

[frail zephyr]

When it comes to Crocodile’s weaknesses, bro I was straight up like “Luffy’s gonna beat crocodile by using water since sand is weak to water” before he had his rematch

And when it was true, I felt like einstein

[pure raven]

also, his weakness to water is irrelevant once you have armament haki

[autumn cairn]

I like this, but I feel like Nami’s requires the special condition of using acoc to pound on the king of the pirates when he’s being an idiot

[autumn cairn]

Nami has already basically conquered the weather which is an incredible scientific feat considering that at least from an engineering standpoint is a chaotic system driven by a chaotic system (the sun).

[autumn cairn]

Zoro’s bounty is his birthday using a zero in place of the slash for 11/11

[oblique crown]

nami has conquerors haki?

[pure raven]

Well it depends how you look on freeing someone. You can do that physically and mentally. Dragon freeing people more metaphorically, letting them decide what to do next. Luffy is probably gonna free them physically from the oppression of World Government. Garp will start a revolution in enemy's ranks similarly.

[raw laurel]

What is this ?

[whole rivet]

14 bounty papers/posters

[daring swift]

exactly so it doesn't make sense for his secret/ultimate weakness to be water

[merry sleet]

14 bounty spoilers ig. Straw hats+ the warlords I’m guessing. Or BB hopefully

[polar plinth]

Wasn’t the warlords abolished

[weak arrow]

Yes, the warlord system has been abolished, so they now have updated bounties.

[raw laurel]

Could be vivi

[dim cloak]

Again, you could not open this channel for open-line question m'dude. This is for serious paragraph-form theories.

The literal answer is the bounties of the 10 SHs plus Cross Guild bounties and, possibly Sabo's after the incident, since he seems to be the focus of next chapter.

That makes 14.

Next time go for #manga-serious or one of the two manga channels for this kinda thing.

[tiny sleet]

what are some of the most plausible theories for the next arc?

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[limpid geyser]

Certain man caribou was talking about is crocodile and he will get pluton

[zinc iris]

huh it could be an option, but it's also true that since marineford crocodile is a changed man

[heady parrot]

Zoro vs Mihawk will begin somewhere between 1103 and 1109. In 1109 Zoro will use an Ashura ability (9-swords, 11/November is Zoro’s birth month and the month of the frost moon). In 1110 we will get the climax of the fight and chapter 1111 will be titled “Worlds Strongest Swordsman” with 11/11 being Zoro’s birthday and the chapter in which the narrator will declare him WSS.

Either the first chapter of the fight or the climax of the fight will be titled “Marine Hunter Dracula Mihawk vs Pirate Hunter Roronoa Zoro” (potentially without the names and just the epithets but same idea).

[fathom matrix]

It might be just them decending in the next panel. However, since a lot of people got bounty increases, for all we know there's more than just 14

[zinc iris]

or multiple copies of the same posters

[raw laurel]

Why would they do that

[zinc iris]

why would they send single copies in the first place

[raw laurel]

Because that’s how news papers work ?

[zinc iris]

one thing is a newspaper, another thing are wanted posters issued by the wg meant to be spread everywhere without account for cost

[light path]

The straightforward answer is there are 10 posters and some of them simply appear in both panels to illustrate them flying through the air.

[raw laurel]

@light path I think the straight forward answer is that there are many more posters because it world be weird to just cover the straw hats and not cross guild. Kid or laws.

Bit oda felt the need to draw 14

[light path]

For an in world explanation that could be a reason if you take it as literally being 14 posters, but I think that's missing the point of the scene which was just about the straw hats new bounties, and that many appearing is there as part of the choreography between panels.

[raw laurel]

Yeah but what if it’s not what if it’s foreshadow something else.

One thing that felt immediately weird is that as soon as robin picked the bounties up sanji jumped on her and immediately knocked them out of her hand

[zinc iris]

I know what you are aiming for, I wouldn't put much emphasis on the 14th poster because the opening statement still is "emperor luffy and his 9 commanders" so there are no further attributed crewmwmbers by the report

however this "luffy+9" pushes the idea that the crew is going to have a 10th addition in the future, but counting the posters ain't it

[modest skiff]

@raw laurel please don’t post reaction gifs or any stuff like that in this channel. It is strictly for in depth discussion

[raw laurel]

These 4 aren’t commanders. It’s hard to explain but it’s purely just setting up something.

I believe these 4 are the cross guild and vivi

[zinc iris]

they wouldn't put a bounty on vivi right now

maybe an update to BB or Sabo's bounties

[dim cloak]

I think I already said it, but the 10 SHs + Cross Guild commanders + Sabo makes for the 14 bounties that went flying from Robin's hand.

I dunno why this is such a non-issue.

[radiant crown]

Watching a video on god valley, so many people expect it to hold some major plot points regarding end of series, but I just don't see it. It will explain some things like who/what was Xebex and Shanks origin. But I don't see how it pertains to One Piece.

Roger didn't even start the search for Laugh Tale until years after GoD Valley

[dim cloak]

That's false, actually. Roger wanted to reach the end of the Grand Line from the beggining, and it wasn't till he fought WB when he already had Oden that he realized Laugh Tale's existence and how to get there.

[radiant crown]

We knew he wanted to see everything, but he only had a feeling there was a final island and no way to get there. But we have no indications that this was before or after god valley

[dim cloak]

We know, actually. He poached Oden 12 years after God Valley and one year before that, he got to Lodestar and started his journey from scratch.

[iron current]

didnt he learn about the final island from the final island if you follow the log pose, Lodestar Island

[radiant crown]

So he learned about or suspected the existence of Laugh Tale 39 years ago, one year before God Valley. But he didn't try to reach it until he realised he was dying and wanted one last journey 10 years later

wiki's isn't a source of information but says this:

I just don't yet see a connection between God Valley and end of series or laugh tale

[zinc iris]

He already knew about the existence of a last island but also that he needed to be able to read poneglyphs
So he essentially was stuck for a decade playing the endgame until the expansion pack finally dropped

[radiant crown]

I definitely appreciate the analogy, I think its excellent. Doesn't change my views on god valley being not relevant to the laugh tale

[median ether]

what if blackbeard just fed the gura gura no mi to one of the rings on his finger

[raw laurel]

I think they would not a big one but something nevertheless even if it’s an association bounty

[zinc iris]

the current report is that she's missing, not that she joined the revos
also the WG is trying to have the nefertari killed while also pinning the blame on someone else to martyrize them

[raw laurel]

Yeah but last we saw morgans after act 1. He got a call from wapol.

Wapol knows vivi was with luffy

[zinc iris]

the other news have been from that day basically
kidd/law/luffy and now the revos are reading current news
what wapol said to morgans has not been published yet

[raw laurel]

Yeah not yet but it's likely vivi related

[zinc iris]

in the current news vivi is just missing

and the WG doesn't want to get in the PR nightmare of indicting her as a criminal, they want to deal with her in secret

[raw laurel]

And she's likely with sabo but wapol gave that info likev2 weeks ago

[zinc iris]

and still didn't break it today

[raw laurel]

We don't know the full extent of the news oda is waiting for the right time to reveal it

[fierce shale]

I think we finally know what the three log poses indicate. It’s kid, Luffy and law going to 3 separate islands after Wano in the opening

[loud edge]

guys i have this theory that Momo to luffy is what zunesha was to joyboy fr!!! they both big animals

[glass loom]

!theories

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[lusty pilot]

I’m not sure if this counts as a theory (I’m new here) But scrolling up I see a lot of “There’s going to be another Straw Hat” and I want to counter this. I firmly believe we’re not getting a new Straw Hat unless Yamato joins at some point in time later on which is very possible. We already have high chances of Vivi and Karoos return on board. Luffy also left Kinemon and Momonosuke to “join later on” but I highly doubt either of them will actually join. We already have the Grand Fleet, 3 established trios below the Captain, and we’re in the final saga. Oda doesn’t have a lot of time to flesh out a new Straw Gat, or even bring an older character like Mr. 2 (as much as I’d love him being on board) or Ceaser Clown or some other wild card. I don’t see the Grand Fleet getting bigger either because they are purely composed of Colosseum fighters/Dressrosa survivors. There’s just not enough time and too much to do rather than getting a new member in the end game. Rogers last crew member addition was Oden and I doubt besides m a y b e Yamato which also is like less than 50% chance of happening, we are getting no new Straw Hats. Definitely no Carrot.

[sand crypt]

Hello! Do you guys have a link about the theory on how one piece will end (I saw it way back in 2019-2020 on facebook; it correctly predicted gear 5 will appear in Wano)

[steady prism]

There are a couple of theories on how Laugh Tale will be found in this channel’s pins, feel free to check ‘em out

[craggy flame]

A little late to comment about this but I believe the best reason for Franky’s bounty to be sunny is because that’s where the iron franky is from and they probably figured that out so they wanted to target the ship first

[mint gulch]

The one point that I disagree with is the Grand Fleet getting larger. Yes, that is what it is currently comprised of. However, I can see the likes of Boa Hancock and the Kuja Pirates flying under that banner as well. Especially when it comes to the final war, I think that we will see the return of a lot of familiar faces. I think that every group and crew that has been made friends with Luffy and Co will join him, and they will be flying his flag to show who they support.

[pine lance]

ppl who thought buggy was a mastermind 💀

[strong flame]

were completely correct

[ashen surge]

!theories

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[pine lance]

bro was getting bullied by mihawk

[fallow knot]

I think oda should solve the zoro's lineage mystery in wano after all those shimotauki's hints.

[marsh moss]

Since the theories need evidence, I think Zoro is not from Wano.

His Ashura form is the form of Battle Gods, right? I propose that Ashura and Elbaf is the same deity. I would suggest that Zoro is actually half giants.

[lusty pilot]

I agree with them flying under luffys flag but not to extent of permanent suboordination.

[ashen surge]

Was there any mystery in Zoros lineage whose personal character story has never been about lineage

[dim cloak]

They literally say he is directly related to the daimyo of Ringo and the God of Elbaf is the God of War, so this simile is completely devoid of logic.

[marsh moss]

Welp, my theory is busted then

[zinc iris]

Didn't oda clarify zoro was not actually related to ushimaru?

[dim cloak]

Source?

[zinc iris]

SBS of volume 101

[dim cloak]

Can you link the image?

[dim cloak]

Huh.

Well, that still doesn't make it unbelievable if he was related to some way to Zoro, cuz this only proves he isn't his father, but not that they aren't blood related.

Still, I don't think we've ever seen interspecies of Giants that didn't end up becoming giants as well (only example is that half-giant half fishman from Foxy's crew) or any giant offspring being human and their Gods don't allign, so I still maintain Zoro is not the offspring of a Giant.

[pine lance]

how strong would the res be we know beck roux and yassop are strong how abt the others

[marsh moss]

I was talking about Ashura as God of battle tho. Haki and Mantra is the same thing, so why wouldn't Ashura can also be called Elbaf by Giants? And if it's illogical, than I am sorry

[ebon idol]

I’m just answering your question about ushimaru I don’t know what you’re talking about when you say a giant. Does someone actually believe that zoro is half giant?

[marsh moss]

I am proposing my theory that Zoro is half giant since he can wield Ashura form

[ebon idol]

We know monster was able to bite off kid’s arm

[marsh moss]

We still don't see any Ashura form even in Wano beside Zoro. If Ashura is the product of Haki, wouldn't that anyone in Wano can tap it's form?

[dim cloak]

It was what was stated above.

[ebon idol]

I would consider the theory plausible if zoro was at least a little bit taller but he’s way too small to be a hybrid. Maybe he’s the son of a tontatta and a giant because giant+human would be around 5m high

[dim cloak]

Zoro's moves seem to be related to hinduism and buddhism gods so it makes total sense that he can pull Ashura and specially that he got the sword Emma, which is totally related to Emma-O, the god of death.

[marsh moss]

Remember Chimney? Kokoro granddaughter, she is a quarter mermaid and makes her swims faster than any other kid. I would revised My Zoro Theory

[dim cloak]

Ashura is not the product of Haki though, most of Zoro's "projections" of animals and other things are actually just the overall intimidating aura he emanates.

[marsh moss]

The other Hindhu Mythology races is The Three Eyed Race. I don't think that "Animalistic" alone can produce Ashura.

[eager robin]

Like the white tiger in Wano? He knows what was emanating after the reveal

[pine lance]

I think beck used haki in ep 1030 when he saved luffy

[ebon idol]

Wait what white tiger?

[dim cloak]

The only example we've seen of a half giant was still big, if not not as big as an actual purebred giant, and that one was a half-giant, half-fishman, so I highly doubt the size of the others would make a difference.

I think maybe this is like the Kujas and they giants always have giant offsprings.

[eager robin]

One-eyed white tiger

[marsh moss]

May you present the image?

[dim cloak]

!theories, also that's non-canon material.

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[eager robin]

Nvm, it was not in manga. iirc my bad

[ebon idol]

Big pan didn’t seem to be as tall as other giants so they probably still produce half-giants while breeding just zoro isn’t even close to a half giant

[dim cloak]

Yeah, that's literally what I said to confront the theory of Zoro having Giant blood lol.

[pine lance]

i mean alotta non canon stuff became canon and its theories

[marsh moss]

Oh, that's fine. Probably it was the scene during Kamazo and Zoro battle. But what I was presenting is Ashura Form. How does Zoro do that if isn't his bloodline with "Mythical" creature?

[dim cloak]

If it's dirven from non-canon material, it is not canon. The only canonicity to take away from the Uta episodes is that Uta exists in this world and is Shanks daughter and that's all.

Basically, like Shiki. Events are non-canon from the movies, just their existence and feats in universe.

[marsh moss]

It's not just like his aura emanates from the swordsmanship moves, it's tangible like any oddities races in One Piece like long arm or three eyed folks.

[pure raven]

Imu is uta the crown on uta head is the same as imu crown

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[pine lance]

casual demon slayer pfp L

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[pure raven]

💀

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[fathom matrix]

Uruge could end up being the man marked by flames, because he has flame tattoos, and he's the only member of the worst generation not to contribute anything major or significant to the story

ALTHOUGH, people theorise this could be scopper gabon, and his tattoo looks like he's marked by flames. He was apparently the third strongest of the crew, and it's surprising we haven't seen him yet in the story

[ebon idol]

i assume the marked by flames means he has had part of his face if not all burned in the past

[devout apex]

In the final war luffy will protect a member of the next generation by sacrificing his eye like how shanks sacrificed his arm, which will fulfill the "eyepatch = ultimate pirate" statement from oda and continue the theme of inherited will

[devout apex]

Luffy missing his eye will cause a repeat of "volume 25 cover foreshadowed the 4 emperors" in the fandom but this time with vol 27

[modest skiff]

@marsh moss no other series references outside of #other-series please

[lusty pilot]

I do not believe Uruoge is the one. He's a member of the Worst Generation if he had a key to getting close to the One Piece he couldn't be a small-timer and definately wouldn't help Kid. If Urouge had that kind of knowledge he would've already used it to gain a leg up, instead he was bumbling about Whole Cake Island. Also its said that theres no clues yet, and Uruoge is a very public figure. If Kid has absolutely no leads then its not gonna be a public figure like Sabo or Uruoge.

[modest skiff]

The only thing it seems like Kid needs is a way to actually read the glyphs. If Uruoge is able to read glyphs, that’s great, but all the effort needed to find the red glyphs prevents that from being particularly useful. Robin can read glyphs, but it’s very unlikely she’d have made it this far this quickly without being on Luffy’s crew

[lusty pilot]

Uruoge is a Worst Gen Captain he isnt working for Kid. I dont see Uruoge being a poneglyph reader. Him being an Ohara survivor or something doesnt really make sense. The Killer being a 3 eyed guy doesnt fit now that we've seen Kamazo. Also Burn Scar seems to be the identifying factor of this mysterious figure, Uruoges definitive identifying trait is not a Burn Scar.

However Burn Scar having the key to reading ponegylphs seems like a possibility, likely a character we havent met from the Golden Era.

[marsh moss]

Marked by flames can also be someone from Sun Pirates tho, or an escaped Celestial Dragon slave

[lusty pilot]

Possibly. Perhaps a former slave. But then again this person needs to have some kind of info or skill that gets Kid closer to One Piece. Im not sure a Sun Pirates member would just have that.

Also If they are known as 'Burn Scar' They probably have a very big and visual burn scar, so like a hidden tatoo won't cut it. I just think whoever Burn Scar is, we wont know unil we meet them. We likely havent met them before at all.

[marsh moss]

I agree

[lusty pilot]

Also They are 'Burn Scar' and not 'Burn Tattoo'

[gritty isle]

So who are the D’s? What is there significance? Does Luffy have celestial dragon lineage? Will he die at the end? What’s the one piece?

…go

[ebon idol]

We didn’t see the part of kamazo that would hide a third eye

[pine lance]

D is enemies of celestials

[valid ice]

I think for most of your questions the best theories you will find are in the pinned messages (if u didnt Check them out yet)

[vague fog]

zoro is an eternal pose to Raftel and One Piece and the reason he constantly gets lost is because he gets attracted to the One Piece's direction

[merry sleet]

Exaaaactly what ive been saying

[stark latch]

if zoro was navigator one piece would have end at episode 10 right away nami suckss!!

[vague fog]

exactly ( i dont agree on the part that nami sucks tho)

[lusty pilot]

If Zoro was the navigator then they would’ve gone straight for the one piece litterally and either crashed into the Red Line or get stuck in the Calm Belt hence the series ends.

[outer cargo]

nah he woulda tried going to the grand line but he would miss a turn and somehow end up at laugh tale

[wicked moon]

I doubt that he is an Ohara survivor anyway since he is Skypiean

[merry sleet]

He’s from Birka yea. He’s probably trying to hunt down Enel and doesn’t have any actual pirate goal

[wicked moon]

Why would he hunt Enel?

[merry sleet]

Enel destroyed birka (Urouge’s home)

[wicked moon]

Well then why would he become a pirate?

[merry sleet]

Looking for enel? After enel destroyed birka and left he probably didn’t know where he went so descended into the blue sea thinking enel went there

[wicked moon]

Well Enel is at the moon now so Urouge can't really hunt him down

[merry sleet]

Probably tried to get to meet BM cuz her intelligence server is the best in the world so he thought he could get information on enel that way

[wicked moon]

Who's BM?

[merry sleet]

Well he doesn’t know that does he. BM is big mom

[sacred cape]

Big mom

[desert spindle]

The sea devil is joyboy

Devil fruits are stated by shanks to be the incarnation of the sea devil and the sea despises anyone who embodies the entity's power and the sea is imu cause imu backwards umi translates to sea and imu is based of the sea goddess shuimu and the sea devil is joyboy cause he conquered the sea and was known and the enemy of gods ( enemy of God = devil) as well as imu's direct opposition. After imu extinguished joyboy's light from the pages of history, imu removed the most important part of joyboy's ideology (freedom) she cursed the fruits created by joyboy's imagination ( hito hito no mi model Nika fruit's powers are only limited by the user's imagination stated by the 5 elders. This could mean that joyboy created the fruits using his powers and also turned his powers into one of the fruits but hid it's powers behind a rubber body and only the one who is capable of awakening the fruit is worthy of his power. This could explain why devil fruit users get sick when they get to laugh tale cause only the one with joyboy's powers could enter and change the world) imu gave him the ephitet of "sea devil" so if anyone tried to finish where joyboy had failed they were despised by the sea (imu) and lost their ability to swim. The sea represents their freedom because of its emptiness and it's vastness meaning imu taking the df user's ability to swim she also took their freedom,(this could also give a clue about maybe one piece is underwater???) but even if joyboy's light was extinguished from history the legend he created of sun God Nika would live on to give the people hope. That's all I could think

@gloomy canyon

[calm pond]

What do you mean people with devil fruits get sick of they go to laugh tale, do you mean buggy? I think that was just coincidental

[desert spindle]

Buggy and toki

[calm pond]

But then how would the strawhats go to laugh tale Luffy has a fruit. I feel because of this it doesn't matter

[desert spindle]

Still thinking about that part

[desert spindle]

^ @gloomy canyon

[pure raven]

Hahahahaha

In chinese mythology there's 4 seas each represent 4 colors red yellow white blue. They also represent 4 animals monkey dragon bird and dog.

Well we know who the yellow monkey, blue bird, and red dog are. The remaining White Dragon is obviously Monkey D Dragon it can't be more obvious.

[vale current]

Very interesting. What would be the reason not being possible to eat two df?

Imu (sea) cursing dfs is so very interesting. But despite the jp word, how it'd be like she's a sea goddess or something?

[desert spindle]

Cause imu backwards is umi= sea and she rules over the world government with the celestial dragons being called gods and I thought since imu rules the gods and she is related to sea so I called her sea godess. Also I am still thinking about the 2 devil fruit part.

[pure raven]

I think imu is focused on luffy cuz mihawk cavendish evel side and zunesha have the same eyes as imu, so he can keep track on luffy cuz they all have somethinh to do with him, mihawk is zoros rival, cavendish hated luffy but is in his grand fleet now, zunesha is joyboys old friend and luffy is kinda joyboy. Also the reason doffy hides is eyes if cuz he also has the eyes, and he is connected to law.

[fathom matrix]

I could totally see Zunisha's dying during the final war and his body becoming a new island home for the Minks.

And once things get better, the Minks don't have to be scared of showing themselves

[whole rivet]

this is decent but I think we'd need to have more base on this

[pure raven]

Yeah true

[zinc iris]

It's not that they are scared to show themselves, they are wardens of the road poneglyph and are waiting for Joyboy to call on them

[fathom matrix]

Fair. But I guess since Joyboy's back, and likely the WG is gonna get exposed, there's no need to keep guarding something and keep moving around

[pure raven]

imagine one of blackbeards crew stole bon chans fruit transforms himself to sabo and kills Cobra

[marsh moss]

Why would they do that if Catarina Devon can do exactly like that?

[fathom matrix]

Nah, he's all the way in Impledown as the new newkama land queen

[sage furnace]

I haveee a theory regarding the one piece and people probably already came to this theory many times by now but I’m excited about it

I think the one piece is all of the info from all of the poneglyphs that Roger put together, I think if anyone gets there they’ll finally learn about the blank century (because now the poneglyphs info would be back in One Piece)
And also maybe treasure but maybe just lots of laughs and happiness because they finally did it :D

[hoary hatch]

If his body isn't magical (which it could be) it would start to rot and bloat and eventually as gasses fill it up too much, it would burst or explode. Rotting elephant flesh would rain all over the Grand Line.

[fathom matrix]

.......well that's normally with whales, he's flaking away, so any gas could probably slowly release, plus there a lot of vegetation and plant life on zunisha, so it would eat away and take over, the body over time, and the foundation would be his skeleton

[pure raven]

the giant in foxy's crew wasn't as big as an actual giant though, it was smaller, robin said this

[dim cloak]

I know, I said it too. My point is that giants seem to end up having giant children no matter what, even if they end up being a tad smaller due to halfbreds.

[pure raven]

well after many generations they could become regular sized, the one in foxy's crew was already something like half a real giant

this is also why van der decken is a mushroom

[dim cloak]

That's implying that they shrink if they get continuously half-bred, which I don't think works like that.

Also, the car theory. If you breed with so many half bred species that your ancestors become regular sized, are they even giants to begin with?

[pure raven]

why wouldn't it?

[dim cloak]

The name says it. Giants. They're born that way.

You're not a giant if you're not born like one, so why would a regular person ever be treated like one?

Just because their ancestors liked the idea to test if they could make a regular size kid if they kept half-breeding?

[pure raven]

oh it was about this, yeah no this is bs

[dim cloak]

Maybe look at the thing I was responding before arguing for or against it next time?

[marsh moss]

Wow, you guys just want to argue over my botched theory... Really, I am already defeated

[dim cloak]

Someone ping-responded me about it, whatya wanna want me to do about it?

[marsh moss]

Probably just say, "It's already debunked" rather than go on wild goose chase?

[whole rivet]

I think this was already pretty obvious

[sage furnace]

Well yeah I just never looked up theories on it. It made me happy to come to that realization lol

[whole rivet]

I'm pretty sure I've seen this theory on YouTube but I cannot find it.

I've heard someone say imu was a former crewmate of joyboy and betrayed him? Not sure if this has any real proof so yh not worth arguing over just wanted to put it out there

[sage furnace]

I came to it around sabaody and then really in fishman and then zou

[whole rivet]

Ah okay, that's cool but that's a late realization ngl lmao

[modest skiff]

Please read the channel description. @sweet inlet was right to point out this channel is only intended for long form theories with evidence and whatnot.

[sage furnace]

I guess so? I figured it in alabasta but i really felt it set in around those arcs.

[lusty pilot]

Roger said he was too early for it. It’s probably not just treasure and laughs. I also believe that the complete set of poneglyph data is at Laughtale, but isn’t the One Piece. The One Piece is likely a lot more powerful and impactful. Also if someone found all the poneglyphs, unless one of more of them are in Laughtale. A person can achieve the One Piece without funding it which would be weird.

[sage furnace]

I don’t think it’s just laughs, I feel like a good time will happen because that’s what Raleigh talked about, and I feel like the final ponegylph on that island or something like that. I feel like it’s the final piece of the puzzle

Regardless I’m excited to finally find out what it is but I can also happily wait because I’m gonna be so lost after op ends

[stark latch]

At that point i will just reread whole op my whole life or hopefully there will be another series which will create by the oda sensei and will be more more op then op itself

[sage furnace]

Yeah I told my fiancé when it ends I’m just starting it over and reading the manga (I still jump around the arcs I’ve watched to listen to as bg noise cus they’re so comforting and nostalgic)

[stark latch]

We don't know what technology will be there after 3 years because now there are bots capable of making anything into picture using AI so considering that we might see daily CHP in future like 5-6 years later

[sage furnace]

True!

[trim crag]

CHP? Do you mean chapters? Like AI drawn one piece? That would be something indeed

As someone who does machine learning stuff I’m very skeptical but hey you never know ig

[radiant crown]

Is it just not me or is there not a single off-topic channel on this server?

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[fading viper]

#off-topic #also-off-topic

[fervent lion]

U guys think ceaser is gonna make a semi comeback or is just in the chapter covers to be in them?

[thorn sparrow]

is there any good skypiea theories

[fathom matrix]

Joyboy/Nika was a skypien god, or a tale inveted by people living in the sky. They and Lunarians believed in sun gods.

I think what happened was, when Joyboy aquired the powers of the fruit, it wasn't given a name yet, but people of the sky and lunarians probably dubbed him "Nika the sun god" in which the fruit was given the name and class, Human Human Fruit: Model Sun God Nika.

The name was probably lost to time and the people of skypeia just had an overall idea that a sun god existed, but the Lunarians had the tale of Nika, and likely found out he was alos called Joy Boy. But possibly Joy Boy was the only one that remained.

Joyboy's legend spans through the world in many shapes and sizes, BUT he will always be summed up as a god or sun god.

[pine lance]

wouldnt imu have some sorta immortal fruit since hes been alive for 800 years

[fervent lion]

How do we know he has been around for 800 years??

[pure raven]

I think it mentioned smth with imu or at the very least it’s heavily implied they were there

[fervent lion]

It is implied but as of lately implied means shit imo

It was implied yamto was finna join and now she is stuck in wano

[onyx ibex]

oda was trippin with that whole jawn fr

[pine lance]

wasnt joyboy era 800 years ago my theory is imu was joboys friend but then betrayed him

[fervent lion]

I think joyboy was more than 800

[pine lance]

thats what i meant???? I dont think oda would keep a secret character stronger than joboy a secret for that long

[fervent lion]

Yea i mean as we know it seems like joy boy was in the void century i dont think it’s confirmed but i dont see imu being old/back then maybe he/she had connections with someone who had the time fruit?

[quick cradle]

I just want to know what the fuck was that giant strawhat

Was it Joyboy's? Was Joyboy a giant from Elbaf?

[pure raven]

It's Gear 5 Luffy's
||Or Oda just trolling people||

Luffy is related to lunarians.
Part 1 - Luffy's Powers

Luffy has shown to have the power to generate fire(Chapter 1000) and also resist It (Chapter 1002).

Part 2 - Gear 5

Luffy isn't affected by fire on his base, but is affected on Gear 5(Chapter 1049). The reason for this is because he fully became his respective zoan.(Losing lunarian properties, Not to be confused with unawakened King.)

Part 3 - Diable Jambe vs Red Roc and similars

We've seen Sanji also generate fire multiple times. However, Sanji's fire is more related to physics(as he needs to spin fast enough) and not lunarian stuff.

"Ok, but Luffy generate fire by punching fast"
It's much harder to generate fire that way(if you know what kinetic energy is, you know what I am talking about.) But to simplify things, every shigan would make fire if we followed that logic.

Part 4 - Dragon(May not be accurate)

If the symbols on King's face is something related to lunarians, Dragon may also have similarities with lunarians and be the reason luffy is as well.

Plus, why does king hide his face and gets mad if people see It?(And discover his race.)

[trim crag]

The other option I see thrown out is that Im had someone w the ope ope no mi use the eternal youth surgery on them

[pure raven]

Red hawk and Luffy's other flame attacks are caused by vulcanization and friction, sanji being able to create fire by just spinning fast actually supports the idea luffy can create fire by punching fast since both Sanji spinning fast and Luffy punching fast are examples of them creating a lot of friction

[harsh niche]

we all just forgot about this dude, huh

[pure raven]

Also, Dragon never always had his face tattoos or symbols, he only got it within the last 20 something years of the one piece timeline. His face was untouched when he was at Roger's execution

[last crystal]

What do yall think the new bounties for the rest of the warlords gonna be?

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[pure raven]

Every Shigan would make fire If that was the case.

[pure raven]

neither did King.

[pure raven]

Could it be that the D. Were “fallen angels” that had their wings clipped by the corrupted? Kind of like the devil, he was the most beautiful angel in christianity and then he rebelled and got his wings clipped. The D. Were stated to be natural enemies of the gods. Which is the same concept of the devil

[visual merlin]

There's lots of characters in one piece who've managed to generate fire somehow, its sort of just anime logic, and he doesn't particularly resist it either, chapter 1002 is just an example of him being strong enough to take strong hits now.

And I don't see how hiding his face would mean anything for the idea. As far as them both having tattoos on their face, thats just one similarity. There's many dfferences in their features, biggest thing being king has wings, while neither luffy nor dragon do, nor silver hair or whatever

[dim cloak]

-Luffy doesn't generate power, he uses friction to set his limbs on fire and attack. Him resisting a Boros Breath doesn't mean he's resistant to ALL fires, rather that he decided to take the hit. There's no reason for us to believe that Luffy would've not survived a Boros Breath regardless.

-If you mean the time where he got his hand burned when touching Kaido when he was in that weird magma cloak around his whole dragon body, it seems to not be conventional fire, as it burned enough to, according to Kaido, be able to disintegrate him.

-Both Diable Jambe and Luffy's Red attacks work in exactly the same way. We've seen feats of Luffy that would make him attacking so fast he generates fire by friction with the air not be any kind of inconsistent or weird behaviour.

-The genetic aspects of Lunarians are clear to us when they are explained by the Beast Pirate minions: black wings, white hair and dark brown skin. Neither Dragon nor Luffy share this traits.

Besides, Dragon wore that tattoo sometime after Roger's execution and we've seen other people who have similar face tattoos that aren't similar to lunarians (point in case: Wyper).

[zinc iris]

I gotta agree with the above

[ebon idol]

While I don’t think this is true, I would like to help you with your theory by saying that the revolutionary army seems to have a woman with black wings

[primal plank]

Bro is one of the oda's staff💀

[trim crag]

I’ve always thought the tattoos were something relevant with the ancient kingdom.

[pure raven]

imo in order to properly explain devil fruits you have to take into account the fact that fruits probably know a number of human concepts. Like the fruit that makes people into buddha statues clearly has to know what a buddha statue is. So what's more likely in my opinion is that joyboy became a legend and people started calling him sun god, thus the fruit was created

[fathom matrix]

There actually was a theory that if a concept exists, a devil fruit conjurs into existence. Like doors, jackets, whipped cream, etc don't exist naturally, so possibly when humans become aware of something or they make something, something else creates the fruits in which those concepts can be embodied

[trim crag]

Now this is getting philosophical, I love it. Devil fruit ontology ftw

That being said, I don’t think we’ll ever get a proper explanation by oda of how devil fruits work. I personally think it’s going to stay a bit mystical, and I don’t mind that tbh.

[pure raven]

nah I definitely think we will, vegapunk is there for this exact reason

[trim crag]

Fair. I think we could get something about how / why they were created (assuming they were created), but I am more skeptical of us learning how the inner mechanics of them work, like the whole concepts idea etc

Some of it could be explained, but a lot of it really couldn’t. Iike the whole resurrection of fruits when the user dies, how only one bite of fruit transfers the power and makes the fruit useless to anyone else, etc

that being said nanomachine theory solves these issues but I absolutely hate the idea of it lmao

[zinc iris]

it's mostly explained as just parts of the rules of nature in the setting
it's not much the why that matters but what happens in certain scenarios

like what actually are the parameters of DF respawn? is it the closest fruit of that type os randomly anywhere in the world?
also cannibalism works apparently

[trim crag]

Yeah I do think it will always be a rules of nature / mystical sort of explanation.

[zinc iris]

the ontological nature of DFs kinda make it some intrinsic bullshit to the setting
like the uniqueness of each DF

[trim crag]

Yeah I think leaving it vague is fine in the end, adds to the charm of the OP world. There’s by far weirder things lol

[zinc iris]

the uniqueness of DF seems to be enforced by nature itself, as when Vegapunk tried to make an exact replica of Kaido's DF it still resulted with a single difference to make it not the exact same (pink instead of azure)

[fathom matrix]

I think it's that the body becomes the container for that powers and person needs to die?

cause it'd be wierd if someone took a bite out of someone else and they just got the power, but they're still alive. You'd think scientists of the grand line, would have reported something like that.

[zinc iris]

but if they took a bite while the user is dying...

[fathom matrix]

I think BB did commit some sort of wya to take the fruit power, by cannibalism

It'd probably be something like drinking the blood or eating the heart.

Hearts are important in one piece, maybe he fruit power is contained within the heart?

[pine lance]

that would make more sense

[fathom matrix]

When an inanimate object eats a fruits, the spirit of that fruit is giving the object a body, and a heart.

And since there was a giant hole in whitebeard's chest, BB could have easily grabbed the heart

[fathom matrix]

yeah, cause it'd be weird to have something like that never brought up again

[marsh moss]

But the hole is only canon in Anime, the other hole is too small

[pine lance]

Yeah and imu should have a devil fruit to make him stronger he prob has a devil fruit thats mythical zoan and has godlike haki

[fathom matrix]

it's still decently sized in the manga, an you have to remember, WB is a HUGE guy

[fathom matrix]

he/she may end up being a weak as shit character, but it's the overall influence that's scary

[pine lance]

the way that the 5 elders get on their knees for her makes me think shes prob strongest character of all time and luffy will surpass

[fathom matrix]

true, but it could be a status thing. Like a typical guard could beat the shit of Henry the 8th, but...you know, HE'S HENRY THE 8TH, do you want your head cut off?

[pine lance]

its also that imu could just be the guy wiith money

[pine lance]

the wg isnt nothing without money to put on the pirates and keep the system supplied with war arms

[trim crag]

Something I’ve wondered about is Imu and Joyboy’s connection. Assuming the giant straw hat is joyboy’s, from the look of that panel it’s seems there’s some sort of sentimentality between Imu and joyboy. Them being just rivals or enemies doesn’t make sense. Pure speculation, but I wonder if Imu was actually on the same side as Joyboy initially. If Joyboy was killed or sacrificed himself in a way that Imu felt betrayed or blamed the ancient kingdom, they could seek out revenge. This also could explain their particular hatred of luffy, because from their perspective he’s an imposter per say.

[pine lance]

My theorie is that they were friends until imu betrayed joboy

[ebon idol]

Has it ever been confirmed that the gorosei are celestial dragons?

[trim crag]

If Imu betrayed joyboy, why would they keep around the giant straw hat though in such a protected place.

[pine lance]

idk why would they it could be some sorta poneglyph thing

[trim crag]

Wdym by poneglyph thing?

[pine lance]

some thing that could asnwer the ancient kingdom and what it was

[trim crag]

Hmm in line with the Imu revenge theory, I think it would be something along the lines of joyboy and Imu both fought for the ancient kingdom, but during the war joyboy was killed or sacrificed himself for the sake of the ancient kingdom. Imu blamed the ancient kingdom, defected to the otherside, and went on a revenge rage

[fathom matrix]

yes they are

[marsh moss]

Gorosei is the higher class of Celestial Dragon, still not sure if they are immortal or not.

[fathom matrix]

I think what it is, they need to have a balance of 5, when one is about to die or dies, they need to have a new one on board.

I think they can have JUST anyone. They need to be responcible, control their anger, not be too greedy, and need to show loyalty but still be head strong. So the youngest looking one might be the most recent to join

[ebon idol]

Then imu must be something really special either extremely strong or with immense power. I agree with the idea of having either a god or devil devil fruit because for a celestial dragon to bow to you, you need to be something amazing

[whole rivet]

I doubt they'll be able to recreate oda personal style with the CURRENT technology

[zinc iris]

btw so far inanimate object were given zoans probably because so that the animal part could make it alive and conscious in order to use the power

objects that have a different type of df infused in them unless it's an always active passive effect would need some way to activate it, so maybe a gun with the pika pika could shoot the esplosive beams if the trigger is pulled, and a robot with an AI could of course use its own DF power if properly programmed

[ebon idol]

I wonder what would happen with a table with the mera mera, would it just be burning eternally?

[zinc iris]

Logia have to consciously activate their powers so no
it would need some special button to turn on fire

[dim cloak]

It hasn't been stated, but considering all the examples thus far and the Gorosei's line about Zoans, I think the only fruits that can be infused with objects are only Zoans. Other types of fruit cannot be infused.

Of course this is only speculation, but both the Gorosei's Zoan talk and this little image that I'll upload when the minute cooldown is over made me think it may just be the case.

[zinc iris]

however a table given the mochi mochi would become made of mochi because it's an always active effect

[zinc iris]

it can just go back to the practical limitation that feeding a non zoan would still leave the object inanimated so with no way of use those powers at all unless it was designed on purpose with some activation trigger

[dim cloak]

Yeah, but this also goes to something else... A DF power only reincarnates when the DF user dies, but you don't kill objects because they just change form upon being stimulated, whether being burn turning to ash or smoke or what have ya. You cannot define death on objects, which is why maybe only Zoans have that distinction of being able to be infused into objects cuz they have a mind of their own. The animal takes over the object and then, being alive, it can die for the fruit to be reincarnated.

That plus Usopp's lil manga snippit I found like a gold nugget on a river makes me think my theory is solid.

[zinc iris]

but there is not much that would prevent a zombie or a homie to be infused a DF and then using their already present consciousness to activate it
or a robot

[ebon idol]

What about sugar devil fruit, anyone who touches the table gets turned into a toy?

[dim cloak]

I dunno about Homies, but I doubt DFs can be eaten by Moria's zombies, since they're just being puppeteered by the shadow they carry, meaning that being dead, they shouldn't be able to consume DFs.

Because the host of the body left and it's just being animated by another person's shadow.

[zinc iris]

I think she has to choose to activate the power when touching someone

[zinc iris]

I used "infuse" specifically because I was intending using the corpse as an object and make it consume the DF with the same procedure used for other objects

[thorn sparrow]

ya ure right about the Dragon tribal tattoo thing, it's also all related shandian tribe, garps has the same kind of tribal hat than the shandian chief, and Wyper has similar tattoos to the one on King's face, I think everyone knows that by now, just wanted to know if there is a grand skypiea theory someone has released recently

[zinc iris]

wyper and king having similar tattoos is not surprising since shandians come from the moon and the name lunarian definitely alludes to the moon too

[dim cloak]

On Homies, I agree, but again, high doubt on the Zombies since they are being hosted by another living being's shadow rather than having individuality.

Homies also are subservient, but they are relatively freer on the individual choice department than Moria's Zombies, which literally cannot turn on him and will obey any order given, no matter how stupid.

[zinc iris]

well I don't need free will but rather any form of consciousness to have the intention to activare a df power

[thorn sparrow]

ya we know, I just wanted to know if theres any popular skypiea theories revolving all of that

[dim cloak]

But then you have the consciousness of someone else's shadow animating the zombie and a DF of an animal also taking over, meaning that it's either one or the other. I am not opposed to zombies being real by Zoan DF infusion, but it's definetely not a double-down thing where you can make a Zombie with the Kage Kage and then give it a Zoan DF via infusion.

[zinc iris]

oh sorry I meant infusing a corpse with a non-zoan df and then using the kage to give it a consciousness, then the zombie would be able to activate the df powers that it was given

[dim cloak]

It's not that they need it, since Hogback has proven they can just make corpses with all kinds of animal hybrid monsters created as Marios with parts from other living things here and there.

[zinc iris]

like giving the mera mera to a corpse animated with the kage, then the zombie could choose to shoot flames and so the DF would be effective

[dim cloak]

I don't think that'll work because, as I said, it's consciosness comes from somebody else and when the shadow is removed, the body become limp and dead again, so I doubt DFs work on "borrowed consciousness" bodies.

It's a similar question, methinks to "If someone changes bodies and they eat a DF, which person has the DF power upon returning?" kinda thing where Oda has either intentionally not gone that route because it's tricky OR have gone with some untold conclusion that makes it impossible for it to happen, like what I said about Zoans being the outelier to this norm due to having a mind of their own.

(Hello juxty!!!)

[trim crag]

Doesn’t necessarily matter how advanced the technology is, there’s just limitations on how image recognition / recreation is done. Namely you’d need a much larger dataset than ever feasible for something like recreating a particular manga.

[zinc iris]

well the "change body" question has kinda been explored when Law switched chopper's consciousness with the others
the df power stayed in his original body and franky could use it (with terrible results due to inexperience)

because the df is a physical alteration (mentioned lineage factor, at that so basicallt the power has been genetically hacked in the user), unlike for example haki that instead is a mental power (sanji could use his haki in nami's body)

[dim cloak]

Then going by this logic, if a Mario animated by another person's shadow eats a DF, they wouldn't keep the power because they're on someone elses's body and if they tried to infuse it first, it probably wouldn't work cuz it doesn't have a mind of it's own.

[trim crag]

All of these problems go away with nanomachine theory, just saying 💀💀

[zinc iris]

DF as man-made despite certain characteristic suggesting that they are rather just part of the "laws of physics" of the setting?

[trim crag]

what characteristics couldn’t be explained by being man made again?

[zinc iris]

random respawn, enforced uniqueness to an ontological level, generating any superpower including actual resurrection, existence of a df for any thing that exists even if it is of recent ideation

it's more cosmic than machinery

[trim crag]

Just playing devil’s advocate

-Random respawn could easily be nanomachines
-Ontological uniqueness could be explained by a swarming characteristic; if by chance machines would be duplicated they would seek out their others
-Resurrection I don’t think is that big of a stretch, but there’s a point there
-recent ideation is a good point, however, what examples do we have of this?

[trim crag]

To be clear though I don’t disagree with this tbh

[frail vine]

Isn't the door door fruit an example of recent ideation

[trim crag]

Doors are a concept from forever ago though, if there were nanomachines in this hypothetical, there were definitely doors lol

[dim cloak]

What about Mythical Zoans, whose concepts are more idealistic?

[zinc iris]

mind you it's not just resurrection in restoring the body's functionality and its brain so that life functions could resume and memory is preserved, it's the actual soul coming back to the world and looking for its body

recent ideation could be something like any df that is related to a human creation like firearms (baby 5), or fantastical creatures that must have been imagined before the associated mythical zoan began spawning

[frail vine]

Also how can nono machines explain soul and shadow manipulation

[ebon idol]

Baby 5 has the weapons fruit so maybe at a more primitive time her devil fruit only had spears and rocks

[trim crag]

They have assumedly been around for a very very long time though? That’s kinda what makes them mythical

[zinc iris]

to be fair ideally you could put no limit at what scientific inventions can achieve in the setting

[trim crag]

If there was nanomachines there would be advanced firearms haha

[zinc iris]

well it's more about a specific model of invention

[trim crag]

Did baby 5 have an example of that?

[zinc iris]

mochi is not tied to technological progress but only to some random cook making it one day instead of ideating another dish

[zinc iris]

basically baby 5 can generate every weapon in existence, even a weapon some gunsmith invented the day before, or some new kind of sword tha was forged recently

[frail vine]

If the Nano machines were invented by a far advanced civilization, they would also have way better weapons than regular guns, so shouldn't baby 5 be able to use those weapons as well

[trim crag]

Not to argue too much because this is a ridiculous theory tbh (I just have fun with it) but where was this confirmed if u know?

[frail vine]

Or is her imaginations the limit

[trim crag]

Well they could be in the potential of the devil fruit but she wouldn’t be able to consciously activate them without knowing what they are

[zinc iris]

there could be a flying spaghetti monster mythical df but was only spawned recently because pastafarains are recent

[marsh moss]

That's Neuro Neuro Fruit, the user can turn into Neurology Abomination

[zinc iris]

btw I'd rather have DF as part of the nature of the setting rather than being originated by the void centyury like fucking everything else

[trim crag]

SAME, I just think this is a funny theory that holds up strangely well

[marsh moss]

The part of nature that's coming from The Age of Mythical Times.

[zinc iris]

tako tako no mi model cthulhu

[marsh moss]

Here's the thing with Fish Fish Fruit. I think Devil Fruit is directly created in some way and form to serve some purpose. Why we would have a contradictory fruit like Fish Fish Fruit?

[zinc iris]

Because fishes exist
Also some features like increased strength, scales and a shark bite could still be used in hybrid

[marsh moss]

But you can't breathe outside the water, right?

[zinc iris]

In hybrid form an user would have both means

[marsh moss]

Does this imply that Fish Fish Fruit, Ancient Type: Model Dunkleosteus a possibility?

[zinc iris]

I think there is a Zoan DF for every animal species that exists or has existed

[dim cloak]

You'd still get a hybrid form and that would basically equate you to a fishman, which is not too bad.
Except it's not carried through bloodline.

[zinc iris]

There probably also is a hito hito model Fishman somewhere around the world

[dim cloak]

I doubt it. Any fish variant (except Kaido's) would probably already make you a fishman at hybrid, since you're half and half.

[zinc iris]

Well DFs with redundant results exist

[zinc iris]

It would have the difference that an animal eating it would become humanoid and get humanlike intelligence like Chopper did

Also I suspect Chopper himself has some hito hito model that is not the base human

[lime shuttle]

wdym

[frail vine]

Wouldn't that just be a fishman - fishman fruit since fishmen aren't human

[lime shuttle]

i dont think that there would be a fishman fishman fruit out there, maybe if its artifical

[frail vine]

If there are human human fruits why not fishman fishman fruits

[zinc iris]

All the humanoid species would fall under the hito hito umbrella like all the felines are neko neko etc

Longleg, longarm, giant, mink, snakeneck, tontatta etc models would all still be of the hito hito because they still are humanoids in the broad sense

[dim cloak]

Because fishmen are already half human half fish without the consumption of a DF.

Fishman fruits can't exist, methinks, but you could have a fish eat a Zoan Hito variant, I guess.

[jade wagon]

Kraken theory let’s go!

[pure raven]

Does DF only respawn at places according to their nature?

[zinc iris]

One safe requirement is that has to be the same fruit type (eg apple vs banana) but I'm unconvinced it has to be the closest fruit and I'm more inclined to random respawn around the world

[pure raven]

There’s no real implications that supports that so gonna say no

[lone hedge]

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[glossy trout]

Enel will make his grand return in Elbaf (theory)

For a while I’ve had this idea that Enel will return in Elbaf, and I have a lot of plot points/statements that ultimately led me to this conclusion!

Why do I think this?

Well, for starters, Bellamy and others have mentioned that there is an entrance to the Sky Islands in the New World. Given that Elbaf would likely center around the Mythical Gods of the One Piece World, wouldn’t it make sense for the God-themed island to have an entrance to a part of the world that also has God and Heaven themes?

Enel thought of himself as a God. So it makes sense to me that he would return when we finally start exploring the Gods of the One Piece world. Especially given that recent revelations surrounding Luffy’s fruit have made his fight with Enel have more narrative weight to it. A human who thought he was a God fought a God who thought he was a Human.

We also know that even if Luffy doesn’t want to be a God, and doesn’t want to be given a leg up in the race for the Pirate King, he will have to accept it at some point.

Which will likely lead to a reveal where Enel realizes he ISN’T a God coupled with another similar panel of Luffy figuring out he IS one. They’ll both do the Enel face. And both of them won’t accept it. So now we have the thematic fight of, “Human who can’t accept he isn’t a God,” fighting a, “God who can’t accept he isn’t a human.” Imagine the parallels Oda could do here with this! So Enel learns some of the true History, and denies it. Enel refuses to accept he isn’t a god and falls to his arrogance by Luffy, who learns to accept his Godhood by accepting responsibility.

Also, assuming Elbaf is the island with Nordic themes, wouldn’t it make sense that someone who would have claim to the title of, “Thor,” would come to the island from a sky island, ready to conquer the new world after conquering the moon? If he conquered the moon and gained knowledge, technically he’ll call himself the Moon God, so we’ll have not only have two unwilling Gods fight, but we’ll end up having the thematically appropriate fight of Moon God Enel vs Sun God Luffy. The Moon God, who shuns history and knowledge, thusly repeating the cycle, vs the Sun God, the one who learns from some of the history and chooses to fix the mistakes of the past.

And finally, I’ll leave you with this tidbit. Oda has stated before that he wished that he had introduced Crocodile and Enel much later into the story, because he wanted them to be much stronger and wanted to show off many of their crazy powers, but was limited in his use of powers because of the placement of them in the story, so as to be opponents that Luffy could realistically defeat. So to me, with Crocodile just having made his reappearance into the story, don’t you think Oda would want to bring back Enel too so he can finally show what both of these characters are capable of?

[wild turret]

Elbaf is next , didn’t big mom cause destruction during the sun god festival?

[glossy trout]

Yeah, I’m guessing maybe Big Mom would be involved with the arc but I’m not sure how. She does need to resolve her issues with the Giants

[dim cloak]

I think your theory is very interesting, however, some small points:

-We actually already know that Bellamy entered Skypea before reaching the New World, as the golden pillar Luffy left behind was what he "stole" from there as a token to demonstrate his loyalty towards him and regain his honor after he lost to Luffy. And we also got directly told that there are other ways to reach Skypea and that the Jet Stream is apparently the least safe one. Only mentioned, not explored.

-Elbaf is actually centered around two things: Warriors and the God of Elbaf, which apparently only favours the strong and guides them to victory (hence the whole Groggy and Broggy thing in Lil Garden).

-Source about your last comment from Oda?

I don't like the fact that Luffy has to accept godhood and I don't think he will ever accept power or responsability because he was in this from the beggining because the King of Pirates is the freest person in the world, but otherwise, I think you drew pretty good parallels.

[violet sphinx]

i think that howard hamlin from better call saul will claim the one piece as it is in fact real

[lone hedge]

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[glossy trout]

Well, thanks for the feedback! And I don't have a source for the last thing, I've only heard it from some OP-tubers. And I agree it would be unlike Luffy to accept responsibility, I was just assuming that maybe with Luffy taking on more yonko-like qualities he might have to step up to the plate even more. But I appreciate the criticism. I'm kinda a guy who doesn't do theories as my main thing, only on the side, so this really helps me see my mistakes and learn from them.

[dim cloak]

Also, as a little thing more, I checked the thing I said before about alternate canon routes to Skypea. The previous Kami disguised as the Sky Knight informs them that there are two other more reliable ways to get to Skypea besides the Jet Stream:

• "The Peak of High West"
• Island Hopping.

I don't quite understand the Island Hopping one, but I assume the "Peak of High West" is a mountain so tall it can reach Skypea when it passes through the area where it is and that he definetely remarks that all of the ways to reach Skypea from the Blue Sea have their gambles and the Jet Stream is the most dangerous one.

All of this is explained in Chapter 238: Heaven's Gate.

[glossy trout]

@dim cloak Thanks! Yeah I just reread that chapter. I’m not sure what Island Hopping means either, but it almost does sound like they could be inferring to Elbaf with the Peak of High West. Or it could just be saying it’s in the West Blue.

[dim cloak]

Actually, assuming that there are more cloud islands, I think Island Hopping could refer to people literally falling into Skypea from a higher island cloud as they interlapse.

It would make sense, though I dunno how one would be able to do that unless they were also sky people.

[ebon idol]

Island hopping I assume is jumping from sky island to sky island while the mountain is probably in the west blue

[errant walrus]

👀 HitoHito model: Big Foot

[dim cloak]

I don't think that's true, rather the Hito Hito is the base and also all the variations at the same time.

Baby Chopper? Mink. Monster Chopper? Giant. Arm and Leg Point? Longlegs and longarms.

It makes more sense than non mythical variants of the Hito Hito running around the world.

[alpine flume]

https://youtube.com/shorts/4-gjLOWo9u4?feature=share

Never heard this part of the theory

[fathom matrix]

I think Crocodile was a Newkama at some point. Like after he got beaten by Whitebeard, he was down in the dumps and went through a phase. He probably came across Iva, and started life as a Newkama.

He tried the hormone changes, probably went in and out from being a woman to a man, but after some time, he immediately regretted it and doen't want a soul knowing it, cause he felt embarassed and become one during a low point in his life.

[hearty goblet]

Shanks is actually luffy from the future

[fathom matrix]

cause remember, when Sanji was transported to Newkama island, he was stressed, he had been through a rough battle, and he was influenced by the Newkama there and it was ace dying that snapped him out of it, cause his immediate thought was likely "SHIT, is my captain okay, what happened to Ace?"

[hearty goblet]

Imu is actually xebec

Zoro is actually black

[lusty pilot]

That is viable and not too far fetched. Crocodile stooped low and went on hormone drugs. However I feel like the woman-to-man thing is a bit shaky. Crocodile couldve done anything between got embarrassed by Whitebeard in front of Ivankov or done shady dealings with them in other ways. Either way I feel your spot on with Crocodile making bad choice in front of the Revs

[fathom matrix]

It may not be anything traumatic or serious yeah, cause he's someone with a lot of pride and a reputation for being serious.

SO anything he sees as embarassing would make him like it'd ruin his reputation

There was a jokey theory that he was crying and probably begged for his life infront of WG, but all that got reported was he lost, so he tried to pretend like he only lost and that was it

[lusty pilot]

Either way it definitely relates to Crocodiles pride and image. I doubt a pirates of Crocodiles caliber would be embarrassed about gender change specifically to the extent he’s able to be held by Ivankov blackmail.

[fathom matrix]

I don't mean THAT specifically, more so the clothing, dances, make up, way of talking, which is a contrast to how he normally is

[lusty pilot]

It’s not a jokey theory unless it’s Crocomom. But yes what I mean is if it Crocodile is doing gender changing it’s because he stopped so low and got so high. It’s likely in regards to Crocodile doing embarrassing shit. I agree with you on that part. I don’t buy gender change yet because there’s a lot of more embarrassing stuff Crocodile could’ve done then be a Newkama. Ivankov wouldn’t insult the Newkama by blackmailing Crocodile using him bring a Newkama to control him at Impel. Crocodile must have Moria-level messed up.

[fathom matrix]

Iva changes people's genders all the time and I agree it's not what he would be concerned about, again, it's mostly the Newkama life style that he could have tried in contrast to his normal

TBH it's more likely that he ended up embarassing himself infront of Whitebeard and Iva just so happened to have witnessed it

[lusty pilot]

It would be weird if Moria was like “My most embarrassing moment was when I was too weak to take down Kaido!” And Crocodile was like “I thought being a Newkama to cope would be a cool idea and then it wasn’t”

[fathom matrix]

well, Moria lost and he just became lazy afterwards. It wasn't like he himself got horribly scarred and cried running away. HECK, before he left, he stole Rhyuma's body

[lusty pilot]

He was mentally scared. It was clear in Thriller Bark the Moria on Wano was not the same as the one in the Florian. He was a shell of his former self.

Moria has psychological issues there his whole crew up and died and his body became an onion.

[fathom matrix]

True

Honestly, I'm starting to believe the Newkama crocodile theory less (believe me, I NEVER believed in croco-mom) and it's likely Croco's defeat of whitebeard was just really, REALLY bad

[lusty pilot]

Perhaps Crocodile played dirty, threw away his honor just to defeat Whitebeard for glory and ultimately lost.

[fathom matrix]

You have to remember, he defroned a king, ran a criminal organisation all about being scumbags and assassination, uses poison in his hook, and made it stop raining in Alabasta

I'm sure underhanded tactics are not out of the question and something he'd be embarassed over

[lusty pilot]

Fair.

[worn fox]

Here goes my somewhat in-depth theory about Cobra

[worn fox]

At the Levely, there were certain targets that we know Imu had eyes on. There was Luffy, there was Blackbeard, and even Vivi Nefertari's wanted posters. We all know that Vivi and Cobra both attended the Levely, but it's been announced that Cobra is dead, and that Sabo was the one who killed him. But I believe that Imu knows the situation very well and the enemy that the World Government faces. The worst of them all being, Monkey D. Luffy. How to best combat Luffy? That would be to attack him by attacking his nakama. Now we all know Luffy, and we all know Vivi. Luffy treasures his nakama above all else, and Vivi very similar in this regard. Technically, she is a Straw Hat and so is Karoo; to officially invited members of the the SH gang that chose to stay behind and lead Alabasta. There is one other SH that stays behind as well, but that is besides the point. So Vivi and Karoo are nakama essentially. What does Imu do? Imu kills three or four birds with ONE stone. I believe that Imu had Cobra assassinated and designed to initiate chaos. Imu struck first in the most ingenious way. You kill Cobra, and he dies. That affects Vivi greatly, Karoo as well. It also brings captain Monkey D. Luffy and the Straw Hats into the equation. They will get word of the truth eventually and plot for payback since Vivi was harmed. It's like if Owner Zeff was killed, or Nojiko was killed, one of their own has been taken by the enemy. And this blame has been pinned on Sabo strategically to sow discord and chaos within the Revolutionary Army, the Straw Hat Pirates, and weaken the Kingdom of Alabasta. Because if you think about it, this guarantees one thing. The light that Imu chose to extinguish, was the Nefertari family. Imu intends to destroy the link to the Void Century that the Nefertari family may be able to help illuminate. Vivi is also a very dangerous factor in One Piece. Very dangerous. And I'll explain in this next post why that is so

[polar shell]

[worn fox]

Vivi may not be on the Thousand Sunny today, she is an official SH, but she never truly stepped onto the ship as an 'official member of the crew. She is 100% nakama though, that is certain. So although she is not with the SHs physically on their ship, she is actually a stronger asset to them in the path and destiny in which she chose; when she decided to lead Alabasta with her father, and remain there as the Princess of Alabasta. She is a stronger ally to the Straw Hats there, in Alabasta. Why is that??? It's because she rebuilds the Kingdom and increases its strength. The rebel army was 2,000,000 soldiers during the civil war that took place at Alabasta. There are probably even more soldiers now in Alabasta. So think about this: Vivi is like a sister to the SHs, and she will definitely help them in the end. She will either command a force of millions of soldiers to help Luffy and the rest in war, or she will not. Consider her the most lethal SH Grand Fleet commander if you will; given the sheer size of her army. But if she thinks Sabo, Luffy's brother killed her father? The King of Alabasta? Will she come to aid the man who is brother to her father's murderer? King Cobra's murderer is Luffy's very own brother? Imu can negate Luffy's greatest asset in war, and that is Vivi Nefertari and the Alabasta Kingdom's army

[calm pond]

This depends on whether imu has knowledge about their relationship. Not saying this discounts the theory though

[polar shell]

[grizzled vine]

What if black beard just isn’t a pussy and everyone can actually eat to devil fruits

[worn fox]

This is what I think: I think Imu knows that Luffy and Blackbeard will fight, probably to the death. So that is not the concern for the World Government currently. You see, I think Imu is playing grandmaster level chess here. I think Imu knows the the battlefield better than any if Imu has kept history for well over 800 years, in the deepest shadow one can imagine. If people like Law and Robin do not know, and only the Roger Pirates know, Imu is powerful enough of a foe to manage keeping the entire world blind. Imu is the wicked one in the series. So Luffy and BB are two enormous problems, so the WG lets them fight to the death. If Luffy wins, the problem is that he has the ability to turn enemies into allies. Mihawk saw this in Luffy during Marineford. It's possible that Shanks even tipped off the WG about Luffy's ability. The WG knows that Luffy has the Gomu Gomu no Mi also known as the Hito Hito no Mi Model: Nika. The WG can't cross him out, possibly only BB can at this point. And Imu might know that Luffy is nearly untouchable. So the idea is to weaken his forces and crumble them from the inside. Can Imu do that? Will Imu accomplish that? Imagine if the Kingdom of Alabasta attacks the SHs for a moment....

In short, I think the Kingdom of Alabasta is a huge factor. The raid at Onigashima had less than 10,000 total involved. The Kingdom of Alabasta has a couple millions or maybe even more that can participate in some kind of war

[stark latch]

We see Franky bounty poster as sunny
So we might see sunny gets stolen or it will be destroyed
And next ship will be pluton which yamato will take and come with it

[hoary hatch]

Franky is the only current Strawhat whose face isn't on a wanted poster. If we don't get a scene where the least subtle and most flamboyant crew member is the one doing a stealthy infiltration or otherwise taking advantage of mot having their face on a poster, I am disappointed.

[stark latch]

Previously franky had face so it doesn't matter if enemy knows straw hats from months
They now became a yonko crew so many will Target them if they saw that ship is wanted they will try to capture ship because capturing ship is easy rather capturing a crew member

[hoary hatch]

The reward is for Franky, not the ship. And Franky changed his looks by a lot during the timeskip.

[pure raven]

The One Piece isnt real.
Kind of a bare bones idea but i saw a video on a dude who was comparing Noland to Roger more so the fact about how they were opposites.
Noland died crying and was proclaimed a liar when Shandora was real.
Roger laughed and was throughly believed when he claimed the onr pieces existance.
Also when he found the One Piece he laughed and im guessing that wasnt because he was just a jolly guy, also applying that to why he laughed at his death knowing he was about to send the next few generations on a wild goose chase.

[radiant crown]

I like it

[zinc iris]

counter argument: noland's foil is usopp, the liar whose tales become real

[marsh moss]

@zinc iris , Fortifying your statement, One Piece is tangible since Roger and associates learned all the things that The Poneglyph is leading to.

[modest skiff]

This conflicts with Oda directly saying the one piece is an object rather than something like “the friends we made along the way” and stuff like that

[pure raven]

I still hold firm on that. I dont think its the friends me made along the way i just think Gol. D Roger is a troll.

[radiant crown]

What if its a poneglyph saying "thanks for playing", then its both an object and not a reward

[modest skiff]

Really don’t think so

[zinc iris]

roger definitely found something there that pushed him to do that stunt of turning himself in to the navy to make that declaration, because he needed that some other pirate reaches laugh tale by now to actually make use of what is there, since he didn't have enough to live to get to the right era

[fathom matrix]

plus,we had Whitebeard's dying words be THE ONE PIECE IS REAL, after flashing back to Roger's time with him

[marsh moss]

Not to mention Will of D. is being mentioned in his flashback with Roger. All information is stored in One Piece but Roger is too early to get it. There's no reason he told Whitebeard that he's waiting for "The Right Person" to open The One Piece.

If it was a wild Goose Chase so everyone would come visit The Graveyard of Sailors that is Grand Line.

[brave leaf]

Fan made theory chapter 1059
Momo and yamato are walking with sh flag in thier hands suddenly yamato starts to crack just like she did when she was fighting kaido in the rooftop suddenly yamato starts to fog up and dissapears
Skip to sunnygo luffy is still inside cage shouting sanji meshi(food) sanji is cooking food for him suddenly one of the door of sunnygo slams open zoro is ready for combat but it is none other than yamato
Skip to komabakka kingdom koala and dragon is speaking to sabo, sabo ensures that cobra was not killed by him but the world govt and princess vivi is with him as sabo sensed that she was in danger.
Chapter ends with dragon commanding to sabo to come back to komabakka kingdom to initiate PLAN B

[dim cloak]

This is not a theory, this is just baseless and probably also speculation or even fake spoilers depending on how you look at it.

[worn fox]

What did you guys think of my Levely theory a few posts above? The one about Imu initiating the attack that will have begun the Final War?

The fact that Imu has already set things into motion, and has already struck mightily against the SHs

[honest marten]

Robins final bounty will probably be lower than right now or if its increased it wont be a significant amount

Because (hopefully) by the end the Government has been reformed enough to the point where they really dont need to fear the true history

[pure raven]

uh? what do you mean one other nakama was left behind? if you're talking about yamato, you have to include momonosuke and kinemon as well, since luffy made the proposal to the three of them at the same time. And tama too, actually, if she learns ninjitsu

[worn fox]

No. Only Yamato is coming aboard. Later.

[pure raven]

I just came up with a theory that I think actually has a decent probability of happening. I think there’s like a 99% chance that black beard or one of his underlings got morias fruit so when the time comes for him to fight with luffy, he’ll resurrect a lot of strong dead people. I don’t know who exactly but I think maybe ace, whitebeard, roger, (possibly even kaido or big mom if they’re actually dead). I’ve never heard of someone suggesting this but I think it’s an interesting idea and not totally out of the question

[near juniper]

if anyone would ge the shadow fruit it would be the doctor

[pure raven]

not saying its gonna be bb himself with the fruit but im fairly positive one of his underlings has it

[worn fox]

That guys is so damn lazy that he'd probably just waste it

[zealous lion]

Just out of the blue, I think Oda is setting Moria as one of key characters in a war against black beard.

[slate torrent]

More likely that Moria is already dead

[ebon idol]

I hope whoever has moria's fruit whether it's him or not fights Brook and he gets an awakening that allows him to resurrect a bunch of skeletons from the ancient kingdom with all the races and we get skeleton vs zombie fight. not likely but would be amazing to watch

[zealous lion]

Whoever gets his devil fruit, i think there is a possibility that op dead characters would have screen times

Else, obtaining his devil fruit won't make sense

[ebon idol]

I would love to see zombies from different races as well, a mink zombie, tontatta zombie, we find out gin is dead and he’s a zombie

[zealous lion]

If ever, I hope well get a glimpse on their true power tho. Kinda sucks to think the zombies will just get the strength of their shadows.

[ebon idol]

Could a mink zombie with a mink shadow get a sulong?

[zealous lion]

Thinking about it, i think it would probably will. Wow, that would be really amazing. Also considering "ancient", can we see extinct animals being revived with sulongs?

[pure raven]

Yup, I’m thinking that Blackbeard might use that fruit to get ace and whitebeard under his command. It would be pretty interesting to see luffy meet resurrected ace and have to fight against him

Also I wonder if resurrected devil fruit users would still have their powers or would they be gone

[ebon idol]

The power leaves the body when they die so no devil fruit

[zealous lion]

That would just give drama, kinda suck. Tho, bringing up the zombie mink army idea is a must for one piece

[ebon idol]

revive the lunarians

[zealous lion]

But considering bb hunting for devil fruits and the possibility that he already got Moria's fruit, it would be possible to see zombies having abilities

[ebon idol]

maybe it could work but oda really needs to go all out to explain it without flaws

[pure raven]

Anyways, I don’t really know how the shadow fruit will be used in the future, but I know it’ll definitely have a pretty big role in the future. Plus oda takes inspiration from Naruto and Naruto had a really similar thing where they resurrected a bunch of big shots

[marsh moss]

Naruto is not the very inspiration for One Piece, both of them inspired by Dragon Balls for resurrection.

[near juniper]

nami just straight up has haki right?

[slate torrent]

Ancient giants will be revived, led by Sanjuan Wolf, and franky has to fight them all

[ebon idol]

They will look like little figurines next to him

[pure raven]

I don’t think she does. I might be wrong tbo

[near juniper]

there's no other way she can mulitlate luffy like she does without it

[pure raven]

What are the chances shanks is evil, kinda like how aizen was w ichigo

[worn fox]

I think Gekko Moriah is dead. There's no way he escaped those Titanic Captains. He lost to Luffy, got punked by Doffy and nearly died. He's too weak. His nakama haven't even seen him in two years and there was no agreement to even stay away that long that we know of. I think the dude is just easy pickings. Blackbeard most likely ate his DF or gave it to an ally, maybe even one of his Commanders. Gekko is 100% fodder

I think the real deal is going to be Perona. I think she's going to fight against Blackbeard and do what she can to aid Luffy somehow; doing something bit to avenge her comrades that BB PIrates killed

[dawn yoke]

Hear me out what if luffy thought about ace during time skip,he learned red Hawk

And perhaps got a fraction of his power

[slate torrent]

BB eating the df would be pretty random. There is a good chance he gave it to his 10th titanic captain, Scratchman Apoo.

[near juniper]

oda barley kills anyone, im sure he's in some random jail, doubt he'd be useful though

[worn fox]

Scratchmen already has his DF though. Some think that Doc Q might receive it? But I don't see it. Whoever gets it is likely protected wherever they are though, Blackbeard can conjure darkness to protect him or her. Who knows man, maybe Blackbeard will give it to somebody completely unknown and new / not introduced at this time

[near juniper]

he was joking

[worn fox]

doubt it

[worn fox]

Did you even read Wano? Tell me how many people died

[near juniper]

3 named people

[zealous lion]

I think he was just weak for the plot but look at croco now. He redeemed his position and is a significant character now. Besides, Moriah's df is really interesting and can potentially become a key character since the shichibukais had been given the spot to shine rn

anyways OP is such a masterpiece right now it opens so many interesting things that might happen.

[worn fox]

Ashura Doji (deceased) Izo (deceased) Kanjuro (deceased) Yasuie (deceased) Oden (deceased) Toki (deceased) and then there are several who fans assume died because of the Raid (Hawkins, King, Queen, Kaido, Big Mom, and possibly even Perospero if Nekomamushi was true to his word) but those are not confirmed

[slate torrent]

I was thinking he gave it to apoo and he gave it to someone close to him. Ultimately I think Apoo would be able to control dead zombies through his music just like he was able to with the numbers, especially if they were able to revive ancient giants

[dry mica]

I saw a theory about law.....

Law recruited slave to his crew in sabaody
According to the theory law is saving slaves and recruiting them ..
That's why his crewmates are not that much strong as other pirate crews ..
Like that he also saved bepo and that's why minks respects law...

After seeing law's sad past This theory can be true..

[sage pond]

this sounds dumb but im saying it cuz why not what if the shillouett in ch1055 was Shirahoshi's and not Uta's? Cuz wtf does she have to do with the current storyline, especially that shanks said "does the new age frighten you that much?" Uta has absolutely nothing to do with the progression of the new age, but poseidon does

they both have almost the same hairstyle.

So what I'm speculating is that oda put this silhouette on par with the film red release so all the assumptions go towards uta while its actually someone else

[dim cloak]

Shanks wouldn't had been able to see Princess Shirahoshi cuz she was imprisoned to protect herself from Vander Decken, remember?

Besides, it doesn't have to make sense. Uta is canon in the story, but it doesn't mean she has to make sense in the scene cuz that was just to promote the new movie. The point is that with "the New Age", Shanks mean the new generation of kids who are putting their mark on the world (aka, Luffy and Co.).

[sage pond]

true, i forgot about her being imprisoned tbh

[tiny sleet]

holy shit
shanks will fight blackbeard while luffy fights imu

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[radiant crown]

I'm currently toying with the idea that the original sun god nika is the one who created devil fruits

If the original Nika was more than a man(e.g. a real god), and "his power was only limited by his imagination" as the 5 elders said of Luffy, then he could have created fruits as a gift to people.

[still pelican]

Very plausible

[radiant crown]

Things on my mind currently:
-Outside of vegapunk/smile experiments, we've never witnessed a never before recorded fruit appearing. So in theory all devil fruits that will ever exist already exist, new fruits aren't cropping up out of nowhere, just the usual cycle of re-incarnation.
-Joyboy probably wasn't the first Nika, unless fruits themselves only started existing 800 years ago (which I don't believe).
-Were the fruits created with the water weakness, or were they added later, if so, by whom? by a rival of Nika (Or a bad person who received the Nika fruit?)

The idea of a individual humans traits being encapsulated inside a fruit have changed the game for me.

[honest marten]

My prediction for Luffys final bounty:

5,656,029,550 berries

Might seem odd, but heres why-

5656 = Gomu Gomu
602 = Sabos original bounty
29 = Ni-ku (Nika)
550 = Aces bounty

This also has him surpass Roger and likely become the most wanted man of all time

Alternatively, you can just have 1 Gomu and a more cohesive looking number.

5,602,955,000

But I like the double Gomu, its fun.

[pure raven]

We don't know yet dragon bounty, do u imagine it being higher than Rogers?

[honest marten]

I'm not sure. He's the most wanted man in the world, but this is post Rogers death. So I'd imagine its somewhere between Whitebeard and Roger considering Roger straight up knew the true history and would probably be seen as a bigger threat

[lusty pilot]

Roger was most definitely more wanted than Dragon. That being said Dragon’s bounty must be very, very close.

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[dull python]

Dragon is definetly higher bounty since he is the most wanted criminal, bounty isnt about how strong someone is; its about how dangerous they are to the world government. Take Robin for example, she was just a kid and got a ridiculous bounty for being a danger due to being able to read poneglyphs and shit

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[dull python]

stfu bot

[lusty pilot]

Roger was the greatest threat to the WG prior to his death. He had the One Piece. Dragon probably doesn’t.

[dull python]

Dragon directly attacks the world government how is he a lesser threat than roger, a guy who just was an immensely strong pirate?

[lusty pilot]

Roger had a poneglyph reader on his crew and knew the void centuries history anyways. He also was the King of the Pirates, and had the most coveted item in the world, the One Piece.

[modest skiff]

Bounty discussions go in #manga please

[lime shuttle]

Wouldn’t be surprised if dragon himself can read poneglyphs, if not then he surely has someone under his command who can

• he probably knows about the void century or else he wouldn’t be attacking the wg

[lime shuttle]

He probably didn’t have the one piece in his hands since he probably never took it away from laughtale, although he did find the one piece. Luffy also has a poneglyph reader in his crew but he was never given extra bounty for having robin in her crew

[lusty pilot]

#manga For bounty discussion.

[dull python]

why?

[lime shuttle]

Ok…

[dull python]

this is a theory not just manga

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[upper saddle]

you mean like, copying powers?

[dawn yoke]

Yeah exactly that might be a side effect of the Mika fruit

[hexed swift]

So do you guys think Momo's fruit was a "failure" just because it was pink or do you think its something else that will be revealed later?

[marsh moss]

I think it's a failure because The Copy of Fish Fish Fruit is not giving you 100% control of your power. Momo is using his power with his emotion rather than full control.

[hexed swift]

But he is a kid at heart so I mean, ofc he is gonna use it with his emotions

[slender fulcrum]

But he was in contact with Robin, I think he got vague rumors and insight about it but doesnt know. I think he was part of the inner circle of the Celestial Dragon and discovered some thing related to Imu. Hell, someone discovering that the empty throne is not empty would be triggered enough to start a revolution

[ashen surge]

Check my pinned theory

[fathom matrix]

I think Vegapunk lied. If he was working with the revolutionaries, it would be unfavourable to have an army of mythical zoan dragons.

He couldn't not put effort in, but maybe curiosity wanted to see if it could bring back the cat, it did but you realised it should have stayed dead

[hexed swift]

Ah ok

[radiant crown]

This theory implies that the dragon was the awakening of the mythical zoan? But we never saw kaido fight in a base form. And we've seen other mythical zoans skip straight to the batshit crazy stage like Marco's phoenix

[ashen surge]

Yes that’s what I imply. Awakened or not was always completely meaningless to Kaidos success

[radiant crown]

I've been thinking about the origin of fruits lately, coming up with the possibility that if Nika powers "are only limited by the imagination" as said by the WG Elders, then could the original Nika have been the one to create the fruits.

Before mythical zoan's, fruit abilities kind of existed within nature: Rubber exists, fire exists, animals like tigers (basic zoans) existed.

But if you try and wrap your head around how a mythical creature that probably never existed becomes a fruit.... I wonder if it was just Nika's powerful imagination creating a fruit based on something that never existed

[orchid anchor]

so are you saying luffy could theoretically create fruits

and if luffy and black beard are two sides of the same coin (hopefully you know what i mean cause i suck at explaining) wouldnt that mean blackbeard could get rid of fruits or 'absorb' them

[ashen surge]

I think Nika frruit is able to twist the current material conditions under its will, not necessarily create new conditions

[modest skiff]

Luffy does not have some sort of magical powers of creation. It’s just that he can bend stuff

They never say he can just do whatever he imagines. That would clearly be omnipotence

[radiant crown]

I'm not suggesting he can, but maybe the original Nika could

[radiant crown]

In this sort of scenario, either Nika's rival (today BB), OR an evil person who awakened NIka fruit might have cursed the fruits with the inability to swim

Ignoring literally everything I've just said, what do people think are other scenarios for how devil fruits came to exist? IMO the different types, and levels of fruit to me imply that a consciousness(imagination) was involved in creating fruits

[near juniper]

was crocodile always able to awaken his devil fruit?

I remember he could turn things around him into sand

[modest skiff]

#manga-theories message

[pure raven]

I think he’s awakened but it’s not confirmed

[near juniper]

still gonna get his ass kicked by any strawhat member

[pure raven]

Nah bro he has 1.9 bill bounty

[radiant crown]

1. The concept that people can infuse their will into a fruit could be good, but we've never seen anything like a will manifesting in any paramecia/logia. Only Zoans/Nika fruit.

2. This is probably because Wano refers to all fruits as "sorcery", although "Devil fruit" is a term used in WG controlled areas, another example are fruits being called Magic by Tontattas. Has the WG put the negative "devil" connotation on to the fruits to control the narrative?

3. I personally don't think we will see other fruits having wills, with perhaps the exception of the theorised "god fruits" including Nika.

5)Honestly though I'd still like this, the D clan of 800 years ago made sure they would never fully lose the fight against WG by making sure the fruits would spawn infinitely and when a D member got hold of it the Will could manifest and help them

[modest skiff]

Let’s please keep power scaling or match up discussions to #manga as a reminder this channel is

[median ether]

what if a past user of the ope fruit used the surgery on dr vegapunk or imm

[radiant slate]

im leaning more on imu

[median ether]

yeah probably

[radiant slate]

i heard that the one piece is actually just gonna be the world itself

but completely different, meaning that the redline and grand line are to be destroyed in order to unite the four seas known as the blues into one piece which would also create the all blue which is where all the fish of all the blues meet

[fickle folio]

(Hi new here 👋) I agree with this theory and have been joking that the one piece treasure is just a plug at the bottom of the sea that when pulled will unite the world.

[trim crag]

Iirc Didn’t doffy say that the eternal youth surgery combined with the treasure under mariejouis would allow someone to control the world? Makes sense for Im then

[whole rivet]

I don’t think he mentioned that but I’m pretty sure he said it was crucial to access it

[plain cliff]

Guys guys
Should shanks eat a df (probs logia)?
It will give him his arm (like kuzan) and also the firepower that comes with a logia fruit

With his arm back + df powers will make him stronger (he will be able to use his sword with his strong hand)

[near juniper]

while they don't make as a big a deal that they probably should, swimming is like a major thing most people want to keep

[pure raven]

And if you think hard enough
Nit having a df is technically an advantage for shanks even if he can only hold his breath as long as an average human

What is kaido gonna do if shanks just sits underwater and constantly shoots haki blasts at it(ment to be taken as satire
I didn't wanna mention this but lot of people can't tell the difference)

[pure raven]

Ace's fruit?
Looks like passing of his will to me

[radiant crown]

in what way?

[modest cave]

Hmm. Devil fruits are tricky or Vegapunk may have saved some of Kuma's humanity somewhere when he turned him into a pacifista. His paw paw fruit power still didn't go away when he died and you would think when the user fully dies, the power is later in another fruit somewhere randomly

Best case scenario of course. Blackbeard is an exception and big mom just ate the last user.

[whole rivet]

Well sabo said goodbye the same way ace did, even zoro noticed this. Im pretty sure sure zoro said something along the lines of “he said it the same way as ace.”

And how did he know that ace called it as “fire fist” (this isn’t very solid considering this is pretty generic)

[radiant crown]

I took that as Zoro accepting he really is one of Luffy's brothers

[whole rivet]

That is true, so is my point.

[nocturne leaf]

Imagine if one piece is just peace that the world need and its later revealed that its won peace

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[nocturne leaf]

If luffy df can make his imagination come true so what if he imagines he can swim? I mean he used to believe that he cant swim thats why he used to get weakened in the sea and what if his rubber attacks are also just his imagination?

Like he doesnt even know if he have hito hito no mi he still thinks its gum gum no mi

[gray creek]

Part of the Nika myth is that he had a rubber body. It’s a base power of the fruit even if you never awaken the Nika transformation. That’s why the cover is so effective

[dim cloak]

This is a common misconception. His power isn't imagination. His power is limited by his own imagination, which is to say, he can do a lot, specially if he is imaginative in his fighting style, which he is.

The only power he has with the awakening is being able to rubberize other things.

[dim cloak]

No matter which one, if he ate a DF he ain't swimming. He's sinking like a bitch either way.

[nocturne leaf]

Lmaooo

[gray creek]

Solid counter argument, I’m convinced

[radiant crown]

I dunno if rubberizing things explains how he grabbed that lightning and used it like a pole

[dim cloak]

He rubberized it and sinnce he himself is rubber, no harm came to him.

[radiant crown]

but the lightning didn't behave like rubber and bend under his grip. It wasn't elastic in the same way the environment around him was at times

[dim cloak]

Luffy rubberized a coming thunder to grab it, wasn't harmed by it cuz he himself is rubber, then stopped rubberizing it after he threw it.

The thunder didn't bend, Luffy just gripped it.

[radiant crown]

yeah he grabbed one lightning and threw it, but he grabbed a second lightning and swung on it like a pole. A specifically not-rubbery pole

[modest skiff]

He did the same thing in skypiea

Well he kicked a lightning bolt but similar

[radiant crown]

You discovered my dirtiest secret...

I skipped skypiea

[dim cloak]

Cuz he rubberized the secons too

[radiant crown]

Yeah I get that but my point is the second bolt isn't flexible. It's rigid and not like rubber

[modest skiff]

The rubber guy doing cool stuff to lightning has precedent of just being a rubber thing. What are you saying the bolt manipulation is evidence of?

[radiant crown]

His powers could still be linked to imagination and not necessarily limited to rubber.

His own mind may still be sort of placing the limitation of rubber on himself, but he's going to move beyond that limit slowly as he realises he's got the nika fruit and not the rubber fruit

It's a suggestion atleast

[modest skiff]

So what are you saying his actual power is? I’d he imagined Kaido turning into a toy doll, he’s a toy doll? If he imagines someone coming back to life, it happens? It’s not clear to me what you are saying his imagination can do

[radiant crown]

If it's "imagination" as some people are thinking, then yeah he could potentially mimic other fruits such as the toy doll fruit.

[modest skiff]

I haven’t seen him do anything that can’t be explained with rubber power, but proving negatives is of course very difficult. I guess all I can really say is “shrug maybe”

[radiant crown]

There's a lot we don't know still, his awakening of his rubber abilities was still a step beyond what we've seen from other awakenings

Neither zoan nor paramecia awakenings were able to affect other living creatures, but Luffy was able to make kaido's body react like rubber at times

[modest skiff]

I suppose the only argument against it is that if someone else ever had his devil fruit, which we know Joyboy did, it would mean that person was omnipotent. But they were defeated and failed to uphold their promise to Poseidon. So he had some limit to his powers at the very least

Kid’s devil fruit made BM magnetic

[radiant crown]

Yeah their imagination... its easy to say "turn kaido into a toy doll", but different to literally imagine it... who knows... and frankly I don't expect Luffy to get truly omnipotent, if Nika really existed Luffy would be less powerful

[modest skiff]

I have a hard time with the idea that the power existed previously, was awakened previously, but the person was able to imagine abnormally poorly, so that’s why they were defeated

[radiant crown]

Well did they understand that this was the power they had...

If I said,some people are better users of fruits than others you would agree with that statement

[modest skiff]

I think that’s stretching but who knows

…

Pun unintended. Kutami don’t you dare !theories me

[radiant crown]

We know that some fruits in their nature are able to affect others, heck Law can cut people in half without awakening. I don't even know if Kid has awakening but this isn't proof of why luffy's awakening can affect others.

Typical paramecia's like Doflamingo and Katakuri didn't simply turn people to mochi or strings

[modest skiff]

I have an easy time looking at Law, Kid and Luffy’s individual awakenings and saying there isn’t some rigid equation of how they all must function. Consider Foxy’s power. All it does is affect other people. What does his awakening do? Make himself fast? I don’t think all awakenings need to follow the same logic pattern

[radiant crown]

I'm inclined to agree that it could fit into a normal rubber awakening.

I'm just not sure it explains all of the loony tunes style actions.. Heck his body even responded differently to tanking a Boro breath than it did in G4.

[modest skiff]

There have been a lot of looney tunes stuff earlier in the story. Nami, Camie and Usopp have all had various things like that. He reflected back the boro breath which I think is consistent considering he gained the ability to even be resistant to haki

Luffy was getting whacked with all sorts of haki infused attacks and still just bouncing and reflecting

[radiant crown]

I was referring to when he got charred and black, which is a more reasonable response for rubber being burnt, but still its different

[modest skiff]

Yeah, I definitely think his body fundamentally changed. If his power represents absolute freedom, rubber is the perfect encapsulation of that because it represents the highest amount of “levels of freedom”. The ability to deflect deformation and return to a baseline state could be argued to be the definition of freedom: the ability to withstand outside interference

If Luffy’s fruit allows him to give this same resilience through bounciness, it makes sense that it would be the ultimate threat to the WG. It prevents ruling by force

If you buster call an island made of rubber, those cannon balls are just bouncing right back, for example

I view Luffy’s fruit and it’s awakening as the ultimate form of defense and in turn the most direct path to freedom. Luffy’s reason given for not wanting to be a hero was the fact that it would fundamentally limit his decision making. The external societal pressures assorted with heroism inhibit decision making and you could argue make decision making less flexible

Flexibility is really the definition of freedom in many ways

[radiant crown]

For sure, I don't disagree with any of this.

I'm just seeing what I want to see because I want Nika to tie together in the origins of devil fruits, and let Luffy really change the world in some huge way as we are expecting him to eventually

[modest skiff]

And I think that would be very interesting. I still think it’s related to some kinda tree and/or a different fruit, but who knows

Like I said, I’m not pretending I know you’re wrong or something. But we have very little info to work with so sky is the limit really

[radiant crown]

At the very least I hope we will see some more secrets in the Nika fruit

[modest skiff]

I certainly think the WG considers it a supreme threat for more reason than “it makes people bouncy”. I think my theory of being able to turn an island/army immune to most damage and the ability to gigantify others is enough for that. Luffy turning an army of samurai into giants would be lights out against most armies for example. Zoro could chop the red line in half. The WG pursuing gigantification could be related to the Nika fruit

Luffy wasn’t just “big”, he used Kaido as a toy, he was much bigger than any giant we have seen so far. Tbh his fruit is really just amazingly powerful even just as is

[dim cloak]

@radiant crown Again, I think you're just mistaken as other people. It's pretty clear they say it's "limited to their imagination", not "they use powers of imagination".

We've also seen him mimick similar fruits to his with his own rubber body, like Bellamy's springy sproingy or the Soru of CP9 agents with Second Gear (which is also inspired by the steam sea train Puffing Tom) and even non DF abilities like mimicking the giants with his G3.

We also know Luffy's fruit is a Mythical Zoan, which may not be bound to the same extents as regular Zoans or may work differently considering Luffy cannot have a regular Zoan awakening cuz the transformation part of the fruit doesn't work on him as he was a human eating a human fruit.

I just think you're taking something out of context and making a huge deal out of it.

[radiant crown]

That's the great thing about making theories, it's about being creative, in reality almost every theory people craft will be wrong

[dim cloak]

!theories

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[regal raptor]

Theory about the last Poneglyph.

The last poneglyph might be hidden in Sphinx island, and this is might be strawhats next island.

We all know roger talk to whitebeard before he died and told everything. What if, when whitebeard alive, he searched for 1 of the Poneglyph to guard it and wait for that man roger's waiting? Whitebeard hides his treasure in hidden island, maybe the poneglyph too.

[lusty pilot]

I think that’s a very possible location for the ponegylph. Elbaf or Marie Jois/New Marineford might possibly have one as well.

Marie Jois/New Marineford is pure speculation but there’s a lot pointing towards Elbaf. I very much believe there’ll be plenty of pongyphys, if not a road poneglyph on Elbaf.

[onyx bough]

I feel like sabo and vivi are working together and faked cobras death for somereason

[pure raven]

sphinx might be a possibility
i think elbaf or beehive are likelier to have the last poneglyph though

[pure raven]

It’s confirmed the King is dead but I definitely agree sabo has helped to rescue Vivi. No possible way he killed Cobra. I don’t see any reason why he would.

[primal plank]

Imagine he really killed cobra

[regal raptor]

Well, in one piece, if no dead body or death scene, there's still a chance that someone is alive. 😆

[daring hill]

Arabasta is decimated by Buster Call and Vivi is coming back to the crew

[pure raven]

There's a chance cobra got caught in cross fire and sabo himself and the world believes it wsahis fault

[eternal escarp]

Someone just made a Post on reddit where he says Raftel is a Asteroid and that Roger said he didnt have time to change the World because the Asteroid comes after he died.

Also he said that the Poneglyphs arent just words, its a Calender telling when the Asteroid will come

Sounds sick tbh

[radiant crown]

It would kinda be cool if Laugh Tale was the impact point, and Luffy has to be there to use his rubber awakening to bounce the asteroid away

Roger could be laughing about how ridiculous it would be to watch a guy with rubber body bounce away a meteor

[vast echo]

^^^ This is what I needed to read before sending this:
Hey! I made a theory based on number puns and kanji interpretations to find out how Luffy's last power up will work, and I ended up with Gomu Ryuo.
I don't really use this channel so I don't know if I can link the theory here 😅
The name is "Spoilers for chapter 1059: Luffy's true strength (EOS)", it's on reddit.
I honestly put Spoilers for chapter 1059 so as to not have to deal with spoiling anime onlys for some reason.
If you've read until chapter 1044, you are good.
Anyway, if any of you are interested on discussing send me a private message and I'll send you the link. Or I'll see you in the comments.
Hope yall don't destroy me 🙏🏻

[radiant crown]

I like the idea of Luffy having another ability involving "bouncing back from damage taken"

Additionally the concept of fruits having haki I like aswell, when Luffy first awakened G5 his CoC was seemingly going wild and many of kaido's subordinates passed out. He could have done that himself, but perhaps the Nika awakening was boosting his haki aswell

You should tidy up your theory and post it in full here so it can be pinned

[vast echo]

Yesss!!!!! I've thought about Luffy's conquerors going out of control.
Thank you for the compliment 🙏🏻 Should I add the Nika stuff? Would you help me tidy it up?
I actually have an analysis for each and everyone of Luffys bounties to give credibility to the content extracted of the predicted bounty.
I'm actually about to go to bed but later, whenever you can, could you help me with that as well?

[radiant crown]

I'm happy to read and give feedback on your drafts, but a writer i am not 😅.

Take your time and come up with everything you can to support.

[pure raven]

I have a theory about Yamato.

Even though Yamato declined the chance to join the straw hats, I think it’s likely she’ll join in a few days, which, sounds a bit bold, but hear me out.

In the pursuit to live as Oden did, she would first have to join just as Oden did. And if I recall correctly, Oden joined the Whitebeard Pirates by clinging on to a chain that was attached to the back of their ship, and survived for days through treacherous waters. This is how I believe Yamato will join the crew. I wouldn’t be surprised if Usopp, or Luffy notice her while the two of them are fishing off the side of the sunny.

I think it would make for a great moment, and although the idea isn’t exactly original, it would still show how devoted she is to the crew, as her devil fruit would make her weaker than oden was. I think it would be a great moment for Yamatos will to shine. This is also a great opportunity for Oda to do another face gag, where Yamato has a similar bloated ugly face as Oden did in his flashback. it’d also be funny to see how the crew would react to “a sea monster”.

This would also explain why within the span of 2 chapters Yamato changed her mind about being an immediate crew mate, because she would instead join how Oden did. Instead of begging to join as Oden did, Luffy wouldn’t mind Yamato joining. So, in order to not alarm Luffy about her plan, she’s going to do it on her own in secret for three days without the crew being any bit the wiser.

[whole rivet]

This is all good but I think ids would be making like exact parallels to the old gen

[hasty hill]

i swear if yamato doesnt join this has gotta be the worst outcome of wano

[hasty hill]

i have a theory that bb is a mythical zoan (actually it leans more to a-not logia theory)
we found out in wano that the gomu fruit was a mythical zoan and luffy had no idea about that i think bb had the same case but in this scenario he LIED about his fruit being logia
it actually makes some amount of sense considering the dark fruit has no defensive properties of a logia and after the introduction of mythical zoans (especially after nika fruit) i think its most likely the dark fruit wasnt a logia to begin with but the dark powers were additional power of a mthical zoan, now i have absolutely no idea wat the mz could be but i watched a yt saying it was xebec (although i dont believe it that much)

[broken raven]

any theory regarding the 5 elders and how strong they are?

[junior lodge]

I have a theory about how Yamato will join the Strawhats

in my eyes it only makes sense that (s)he will join at some point bc will technically still need one more Strawhat and i doubt that there is enough time left to properly introduce a new Strawhat
that isnt yamato. Also the whole parallel with Oden first travelling Wano and then setting out to sea with WB.
So my guess is that since one of the ancient weapons is in Wano there will be some sort of attack on wano be it the World Government or Black Beard.
My theory is that we will maybe even have some sort of Marineford 2.0 with the "Ace" in this case being Yamato or Momonuske and since Wano is part of Luffy's territory this only makes sense.
So i guess after that big fight and after having travelled Wano Yamato will finally join the Strawhats.

(If i made any mistakes pls correct me i just caught up with the manga and i m still kinda new to the whole OP Fandom)

[broken raven]

and who owns the 12 Saijo Ô Wazamono currently?

[hasty hill]

i just hope this happens

[median ether]

probably whatever he has is a parallel to luffys fruit

[hasty hill]

idk if its a direct parallel i tried to make it as far away related from the nika fruit as possible the point is that bb lied about his fruit being a logia

[proud tree]

Theory: The Grim reaper is actually important:

• Zorro was defeated by the Grim Reaper in Chapter 1038
  -> Current Zorro is a disguised infiltrator and not the real Zoro

[near juniper]

Very much doubt it since zero remembers sanjis call

[unique hornet]

shitty theorie

[proud tree]

he was observerd by Kaidos henchmen during the fight, kings defeat was reported immediately to Queen

[unique hornet]

something mythologic animal related to dark

[hasty hill]

well i was leaning towards a human mythical but ye a normal mythical zoan fits better imo

[hasty hill]

cant tell if this is sarcasm or not

[dim cloak]

Emma-O: God of death in buddhism.

Its far more likely the Grim Reaper is an avatar of the sword he just got and had a first fight with.

Besides, if the one who is with them is a fake, who is it and how did the real one went unnoticed? They were sleeping for a week, so if the Zoro Franky took back is a fake, then how did the real one not appear before their crew?

[pure raven]

I have a theory that Yasopp could be from elbaf and be half giant

[pure raven]

So me and my friend had this long Elbaf discussion involving usopp

And we got to talking about Loki and we made the observation that Loki and usopp have very similar hair based off of what we’ve seen

This made me think, maybe they could have a relationship! and so I thought more on it and realized shanks has many connections to Elbaf, so maybe during a time before or after Lola ran away from lokis arranged marriage he met someone else and that resulted in Yasopp being born and whilst shanks was in Elbaf he met Yasopp and recruited him and during a voyage they went to syrup village

This is where yasopp would meet usopps mother creating usopp and then he’d leave

I also believe Loki will have a brother who will obviously be named Thor, and that Thor will have a hammer that ate a devil fruit, this fruit being a goat zoan fruit; due to usopps connections with goats (the going merry and like everything to do with kaya) and I believe after Lokis rejection from Lola he’ll have gone into a horrible state becoming a dictator to Elbaf and at some point his brother Thor, will challenge him to a giant duel ultimately losing and dying, making Elbaf’s residents lose their hope.
Flash forward to the strawhats arriving in Elbaf, a giant will explain to them the story of Thor and tell them about the hammer and how it hasn’t moved from the spot Thor died in hundreds of years and that several giants have tried lifting it but failed this will cause luffy to try and pick it up (he’ll fail) luffys failure will prompt zoro to try (he’ll fail) and sanji trying to prove he’s better than just number 4 will also try (and fail) and then usopp will talk a lot of game saying that he’ll pick up the hammer free elbaf and avenge Thor to make himself seem strong to all of elbafs people (this is where the hammer having a fruit will come into play) the hammer will hear usopps lies and believe he’s worthy and that he’ll free Elbaf and avenge Thor so usopp will attempt to pick it up much to the strawhats disapproval and to the shock of everyone usopp will actually lift it (this will play into usopps lie in having a 100 trillion ton hammer) this shocks even usopp but he tries his best not to show it until the hammer talks, this’ll scare usopp and show the hammer usopp is truly a coward, but the way the hammer works is once it finds someone worthy enough it’ll bind to that person till death and it realizes it’s stuck with usopp

So usopp will have to try and use this hammer but the hammer will continually disobey him and make fun of him during fights throughout Elbaf and he’ll have to continually show courage and bravery to show his worth to the hammer (also the hammer will have been made purely for beating loki, so it’ll have some distain for being used as a hammer which will play into it disobeying usopp, also whenever usopp lies it’ll give him an electric shock, which would play into the hammers electric capabilities) but overtime since usopp uses so many different weapons the hammer will unlock new forms for example a slingshot form

And so in the final battle of Elbaf usopp with learn he is related to loki and loki will say something like “I can’t believe I’m related to such weaklings.. first Thor and now you” and this’ll make usopp snap and he’ll unlock the hammers true potentional and then near the end of their fight loki will say something like “I refuse to be beaten by a weakling like you” and usopp will pull out the hammer infused with electricity and say something like “I am not weak. I captain usopp brave warrior of the seas.. am strong and I will bring you down” and then he’ll hit loki will one final blow

[dim cloak]

This theory hinges in ignoring various story aspects we know of. Namely:

-Yasopp existed and was part of Shanks' crew long before Lola was ever born.

-We know who Usopp's mom is. Both her and Yasopp are human.

-Even if we didn't knew Usopp's mother and you could assume she's a giant, why did Usopp end up on Syrup Village in the East Blue?

-I don't think Usopp ever bragged about lifting a 100 trillion ton hammer, just played around with the idea to scare his enemies and it was just with 5 and 10 tons.

Most of what you said is less of a theory and more like either an AU fanfic or blind speculation, so I'd even wonder if this is fitting for this channel.

[pure raven]

Ahem

1. Giants live a very long time, who’s to say loki didn’t have a kid with some long dead woman
2. I’m not saying usopp’s mother isn’t his biological mother I’m saying usopp could have a blood relation to loki (possibly a grandson)
3. Yasopp could simply be half or even quarter giant he’s still part human in my theory I wouldn’t say otherwise
4. Again I don’t think usopps mother is a giant I think Yasopp could be part giant and be from Elbaf and whilst traveling with shanks went to syrup village and met usopps mother and then had usopp

Oh and on the hammer thing, that was my bad I just remembered wrong

[dim cloak]

Even giant crossbreds are big in size, even if not as big as a regular giant, so that's as big as stretch as our titular rubber boy. Point in case, that half-giant, half-fishman from Foxy's crew who showed up on the Groggy Ring challenge.

Giants are big humans, so it would make no sense that any of them are born as tiny as a human because it's a race thing, like how Amazonians only seem to give birth to girls.

I had this discussion before. It's cool to have AU thoughts. I personally don't like your AU fanfic, but besides that, the story has proven that Usopp being a giant is impossible.

[pure raven]

Eh oh well even so a relation to giants doesn’t really drive the rest of the theory, I still believe that usopp with obtain a hammer like the one I described

And also a halfbreed being smaller in size could also play into why Yasopp would leave Elbaf in the first place but it seems you just dislike the theory so I won’t push it on you

[dim cloak]

You can believe whatever you want, what you described in here is an AU fanfic, not a theory of anything since the proof you put forward is flimsy.

Like, Yasopp and his spouse are clearly Syrup Village residents cuz they both stayed there long enough for Usopp to remember both of them as he grew up. Not only him, but Merry can also recall who Yasopp is. They're both from Syrup Village and definetely human, but if you want to have a headcanon about Usopp being part giant, I won't stop you. Just know to keep it as a headcanon and not parade it as a truth or as a baseless theory lol.

[pure raven]

Don’t gotta be a dick about it man 🥱 plus Yasopp left while usopp was very young either way

[dim cloak]

I'm not being a dick, the only theory parts of your long AU fanfic have almost nothing to do with the writing you made and none of it can be supported via the information from the story.

If anything, read the channel description. It demands people to actually put forward proof to substantiate the theory they're trying to make. What you did was just say stuff without proof and then write an AU fanfic. Again, nothing wrong with it, just has nothing to do with the channel's purpose lol.

[pure raven]

Wake up wake up wake up wake up heart beat, now we all know what that means with Luffy!

[pure raven]

Another fact that turns Franky to become main suspect to be Vegapunk, i believe that present Franky is future Vegapunk (Luffy is Joyboy from the past), and that the Strawhats got back in time, and Franky being Cyborg could live for many years to come and now the fact that the world government dont knows how Franky looks and confuse him with the Sunny certified it for me, only time could tell

[modest skiff]

We are told stories about Vegapunk growing up on his home island, so it feels unlikely. We have a full history of him growing up since a young child

[radiant crown]

I don't think Luffy is joyboy from the past.

But I do think Noland and Roger and Joyboy are all "failed" Nika's.

Joyboy is a hugely renowned historical figure but ultimately he couldn't keep his promise to the fismen and the WG were in control after the void century

[modest skiff]

Well at the very least we are left to assume Joyboy awakened the Nika since Zunesha supposedly recognizes the heartbeat

[vast echo]

Through Kanji interpretations and number puns I arrived at
HOW LUFFY'S LAST POWER UP IS GOING TO WORK.
In order to get there I based my theory in two premises.
The first one is that every Luffy bounty has a deep meaning tied to what happened in the arc.That's not too crazy, right?
And the other one is based on a concept that was introduced in Chapter 1044: Zoan fruits contain a will of their own, as the Gorosei commented.

At least up until now, unlike Paramecia and Logia Devil Fruits, Zoans are said to carry wills of their own even when unconsumed. And Luffy's fruit is in reality a Mythical Zoan.
[Chapter 1044]

BEFORE WE START:
As we know, Oda uses bounties to express the threat a pirate poses to the World Goverment, but he too uses Luffy's bounty to mention at least one of the most important parts of the previous arc to the new bounty. So what I'm doing here is assuming that Luffy's last bounty is going to be $5,6B to predict what happens before that.
Sound weird, I know! But let's keep going...
About the bounty I picked...
I think most of us have considered it, but for those who haven't, think about it... Gol D. Roger, the man Luffy is ultimately trying to surpass had a bounty of $5,564,800,000.
With 648 – Roger (6 = ro; 4 = ji; 8 = ya).
And with a bounty of 5,600,000,000 > 5,564,800,000, greater than Roger's bounty; he'd be surpassing the Pirate King's bounty, surpassing Roger.
Another reason for my choice of bounty, again, it's widely known that: 5, 6 = Go, Mu -> Gomu = Gum -> we get a mention of Gum.

SO... LET'S DIVE IN!
5,600,000,000 = (1) 五十六億 = go jū roku oku; Which can be written as: (2) 五重六奥 - and has two simple translations, being:
(A) *5 extreme 6 back.
(B) 5 serious injury 6 back.
What we get from that:
-> When Gear 5 is pushed to the extreme... and/or gets seriously injured.
-> Back as an adverb means: a return to an earlier or normal condition.

Now, taking a reading of the 4th character of (2), namely 奥, from the Jisho dictionary, we get:
奥の手

1. ace up one's sleeve; trump card; last resort​.
2. secret skills; secret; mystery.
   All of the above, imply the existence of a last resort to an extreme situation:

ONE MORE POWER UP.

.
And ever since chapter 1044 we know that at the very least zoan devil fruits have a will of their own...
A will of their own...
A will of their own...

ZOAN DEVIL FRUITS HAVE HAKI OF THEIR OWN?

Before you jump to your rebuttal, think of an end of series fight...
For example: Luffy trying to fight Black Beard... the man who can negate the powers of devil fruit users and make it as if they were normal humans.

[Yami Yami no Mi, recommend rereading or skimming through Chapter 441]

He is probably one of the last enemies Luffy will face.
And against Black Beard, Luffy's devil fruit will... become useless. Yes, even Gear 5 will get sucked in by darkness.
Here's when... Luffy with his creativity will come up with this... and use his ace up his sleeve, his trump card, his real last resort...
Let's go back to the bounty first!!!! BECAUSE ODA IS THAT GUY!
He is even letting us know how the ability works with readings of the bounty.

Let's remember: 5,600,000,000 = (1) 五十六億 = go jū roku oku
And let's take a look at the** following readings:** [you are free to look them up in the links I'll leave at the end]
五 (go) <-> ご (go) <-> 後 (go); we take the reading of this last kanji as "go"
十 (tō) <-> とお (tō) <-> 茂 (tō); we take the reading of this last kanji as "shigeru"
六 (ryū) <-> りゅう(ryū) <-> 流(ryū); we take the reading of this last kanji as "ryū"
億 (o) <-> お (o); and we take the reading as "o"
All in all, we get:
(3) 後茂 流 お = Go Shigeru-ryū o; which translates to GOMO STYLE.
OR...

GOMO RYUO.

What is GOMO RYUO?
Let's start with what Gomo is:
Gomo := is one of the segments or slices of certain fruits.(botany) A sprout of a leaf or flower; bud.
Let's remember that: In Wano Country, Busoshoku (Armament haki) is known as Ryuo (流桜 Ryūō, literally meaning "Flowing Sakura"), founded on the concept of inner flow.

How Luffy uses ryuo is equivalent to what we call advanced armament haki, in other words, the flow/emission of haki. [Chapter 940, onwards]

In particular, Gomo ryuo is reffering to the use of a part of the fruits haki which lays dormant, and let it flow along with Luffy's own haki, to get a massive amount of it.
Gomo is too a pun on Gomu, which Oda will definitely use to make it so this technique that Luffy uses is called Gomu-Ryuo, in which again, he lets the haki of his fruit (which he still calls the Gomu Gomu no Mi) flow from within alongside his own haki, and slowly but surely reversing his body to that of a normal human.
And eventually, Black Beards fruit won't have an effect on Luffy, and Black Beard will lose his main advantage over him.
So not only will Luffy gain a massive haki boost, he'll also stop being affected by as of now, one of Black Beard's strongest abilities.

LUFFY'S LAST POWER UP -> [GOMO RYUO]

DISCLAIMER: I don't know japanese so my interpretations could be wrong.
For those who are wondering, I got every kanji etimology and interpretation from searching each character in:
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/ and https://jisho.org/
And using this table for the number puns:
https://osomanga.wordpress.com/appendi-x/goroawase-語呂合わせ/
So you can check them out for yourself!
Thanks for reading!

Thank you @modest skiff 🙌

[radiant crown]

I agree Joyboy awakened the nika fruit, but it seems like he still "failed" based on how history portrays it.

[dim cloak]

To add to this, There are people who have collaborated with Vegapunk enough and spite him to know how he looks, acts and talks. If he was somehow Vegapunk, Caesar, Judge or Queen would've noticed. Well, not Judge cuz Franky wasn't on WCI, but you get what I mean. He could've still recognized him from the Wanted Poster of Franky pre-time skip.

[radiant crown]

On this I would disagree, Franky has a penchant for changing his appearance, if the strawhats somehow learned time travel Franky could easily have changed his appearance enough to not be recognised

[dim cloak]

You talk as if Franky is a shape-shifter, which he is not. The only instances of what you speak of are off Bounty Poster gags, where his second bounty is represented by a picture of Franky Shogun (which still looks like him) and then his third a picture of the Sunny's figurehead (anyone who isn't the populace would know that's a ship and not Franky himself).

Even so, he can't change his attitude or his quirks. If he was Vegapunk, no matter how much he looks or doesn't look like him, they would've definetely, 100% noticed Franky is him.

And since we haven't even got a passive comment about it, then we are to assume it is not true.

@vast echo What you wrote is very well-thought of, however, from how we've seen BB's ability works, it only nullifies the properties of the fruit that allows the user to either be resistant or untouchable, as Ace was still able to counter with fire abilities while being sucked in by Teach's Black Vortex.

While he would be able to bypass Luffy's Rubbery Body, I am unsure if his ability would nullify Zoan transformations. The idea is interesting, but I think it's a bit clunky with the arguement you put forward.

That's the only part I wanted to adress, the rest I just feel indifferent or feel you've done a solid job researching and conveying what you wanted to say.

[radiant crown]

He can be bald or have a long head of hair at the press of a button, Clark Kent only needs some glasses and a change of posture. I'm not saying Franky is Vegapunk I highly doubt it, but the idea that nobody recognised him doesn't work for me

[radiant crown]

good to see you praising a theory for once 😉 I'm really interested in the concept of a fruit passing on both a "will" and "haki"

[dim cloak]

OK, but literally nobody has mistaken Franky based on his actual appearance vs the bounty poster/his pre ts bounty poster, nor his hair, which he changes every arc, so I feel that point is pretty null.

The only time it has happened was with the bounty poster gags. Every person who has seen him before or has an idea of how he looked based on his pre-ts poster has not mistaken Franky for another person and, again, neither Caesar nor Queen have acknowledged, not even hinted that Franky looks like, feels like or acts like Vegapunk. At best, and this is a stretch and more proof of the contrary, you could point at Caesar saying he wanted Franky alive to bysect him and study how Vegapunk's laser works so he can replicate it himself. And if anything, the fact he distinguished between both of them as separate people, being somewhat or Vegapunk's rival and having been on MADS for a long time, presumably, with him, this is a big hole against that arguement.

I don't hate on or shit on theories, I just like to bring sense to the ones who haven't properly been revised for holes like this to be found.

Another point to it's detriment is how did they even travel back on time, cuz the only method of time travel we know is Toki's Time Time Fruit and we've been proven with the fake Oden scene in Onigashima that people cannot travel to the past and people cannot change the past. Toki's fruit can only make anyone travel forward into the future, so yeah, there's no chance of past time travels.

[radiant crown]

Like I said I don't entertain this theory of Franky being vegapunk, it is almost certainly false. I am just questioning the single point of your logic around appearance, Rayleigh operated in Sabaondy for years without anyone recognising "The dark king". We don't need to continue this conversation...

I also don't think you don't intend to "shit on theories" , and you try to be true to the purpose of the channel which is definitely a good thing. It's just rare to see you share praise, that is all.

Previously I might have been frustrated by your efforts as I saw them "to dismantle other peoples theories" , but I've come to accept and appreciate your presence.

[dim cloak]

I mean, Rayleigh seems to like, fuck off very often, as Shakky told them he might come back 2 years from there to Sabaody. He is a free spirit and he seems to not be on the same place for long, so it makes sense the marines aren't able to pinpoint his location. It has less to do with his appearance and more to do with the fact that he is always on the move to the point where Shakky (seemingly, his spouse and the closest person to him, currently) isn't able to locate him beyond a Vivre card.

[analog crypt]

@dim cloak are you proof reading that thing you wrote? I was gonna read that

[dim cloak]

What thingo?

[modest skiff]

It’s still a little unclear as to how BB’s fruit actually works. The ability to eat stuff feels inconsistent with taking damage from being punched. If it is able to consume/store stuff, the fact that BB not only takes full damage from non haki attacks, he actually feels increased pain from normal. It seems like BB needs to consciously decide to absorb an attack but it’s not easy and or slow. BB has shown very poor defensive capabilities with his power

[dim cloak]

Little observation about the "double pain" thing, while this is just my own speculation, I feel that he says that cuz darkness being gravity, it makes sense that his body will pull stuff towards itself, making him unable to dodge, which I think it's a more sensible explanation than increased pain threshold for no apparent reason.

[modest skiff]

Works for me. We know he feels more pain from being hit, so maybe it’s just stuff hitting him harder. But it appeared to also apply to fire which isn’t the same, but whatever. Works for me. Same result, he feels more pain from the same attacks

It just seemed like he was saying it just hurts more, not that he took more actual damage

[vast echo]

Those are fair points. Tho by Marineford BlackBeard could cancel out WhiteBeards power while he had him within his darkness, so in terms of canceling out abilities, that Teach might have been able to nullify Ace's fire attacks.
[Tho after canceling out WB ability he gets cut by the Murakumogiri, and pressed with an earthquake attack to the floor, so he can maybe lose control over it, Chapter 576]
But anyway, another theory, which is not mine and I'm asking the author to send it here might actually, together, have more strength as an argument.
I'mma just send it, ping him and if he doesn't like it here I'll just delete it
Did Nelson Lewis get banned? I can't ping him, well I'll ping him eventually.

I know it's not a perfect theory, but if Akainu had the sea stone fruit, which would actively weaken devil fruit users, Luffy would have all the more reason to transform the will of his fruit into his own, a become a normal human again.

[dim cloak]

I mean, fair, but that is a Paramecia and a Logia fruit, we haven't seen him cancel out a Zoan fruit, which leads me to believe we have no reason to think Zoans are inmune to this right now or maybe that it teethers on the Logia side where the boosts in defense from being transformed are nullified where BlackBeard strikes.

[vast echo]

"we haven't seen him cancel out a Zoan fruit, which leads me to believe we have no reason to think Zoans are inmune to this right now "
OH, you are saying Zoans wouldn't be immune? I thought you were making a counter argument.
The second one you said could perfectly be the case.

[dim cloak]

I'm saying Zoans don't work quite like either Paramecias or Logias, so I don't think BlackBeard can cancel out Zoan transformations, rather bypass their boosts in defenses to hit them directly as if they weren't.

[vast echo]

And it could also be the case that End Game One Piece is a Big War like Marineford (not necessarily in Marineford) and both Akainu and Black Beard face Luffy in a three way battle.

[vast echo]

Yes, maybe!
I mean he says: "The gravity of darkness can pull in the actual body of devil fruit users". That might go along with what you said.
Hit them directly in their original bodies. Bypassing the zoan strengthening via the transformation.

[modest skiff]

I don’t see any reason to assume BB can’t take zoans out of their zoan form

[vast echo]

Only one I can come up with it's why he didn't use it on Sengoku, or at least try

Do you have the chapter? 👇

[modest skiff]

And I guess since BB canceled out Luffy’s powers during Impel Down, we actually have evidence he does impact Zoans

Luffy lost his stretch ability when BB grabbed him during impel down

[dim cloak]

What he disabled was Luffy's innate rubber body due to being a Hito Hito Mythical, which means he can channel the changes to the body, just not transform.

So technically, what I said works with this.

[modest skiff]

Shrug, hard to have confidence one way or the other. But the fact that it already interacted with Luffy’s fruit makes me think it can also undo transformations. No real evidence one way or the other

[dim cloak]

I mean, I don't think that would ever amount to a three-way battle. BlackBeard would rather tell Luffy to momentarily team up to keep them at bay and then return to the scuffle once that's done.

[vast echo]

Let me dream!
I doubt Luffy would agree tho

[dim cloak]

But I don't like that thought cuz it implies Marines possibly taking the glory out of SHs doing their thing and possibly pull an Onigashima BM and take out officers instead of their opponent.

And I mean, Luffy is smart enough to know what's best to keep his own people safe.

[modest skiff]

Luffy didn’t hesitate to team up with Croc, who did some seriously evil shit to Vivi and Alabasta as a whole. If the right situation calls for it, he would team up with almost anyone I think

[vast echo]

Yeah, Luffy would team up with the guy that threw his brother on a plate to the marines.

Anyway, we'll just have to wait and see if BB's fruit works on Zoans, to the degree of getting them out of a transformation.

[dim cloak]

I mean, ultimately, Luffy was mature enough to initially leave Ace to his own crew and not blame BlackBeard, so I'd say he doesn't like BlackBeard, but he doesn't have any kind of deep-rooted resentment for him about Ace. If anything, the only person he would be spiteful about Ace would be the guy who killed him.

[normal sandal]

Does Nami being able to use Zeus mean that Big mom is still alive or is he now a completely separate entity able to live without big mom

[steady prism]

Unfortunately, Zeus being alive isn’t a clear indicator that Big Mom’s alive or not. FYI that kind of questions better asked in #manga-serious

[dim cloak]

My belief is that she's still alive, yeah. Those are special homies made from her own soul. Homies made from others' souls may not crumble, but I believe the ones she made using a part of her own soul could just end up being destroyed if the original user dies.

Besides, there's still Luffy's promise to Katakuri that he would return to Whole Cake Island and kick Big Mom's ass, so she certainly is very much alive.

[compact crane]

what if vegapunk is some scientist from the void century that the WG made immortal via Op Op fruit so that they could force him to work for them?
cuz the ancient kingdom people were technologically advanced enough to make ancient weapons and carve poneglyphs and all that, so maybe all his current ideas are things the ancient kingdom had been working on before the WG destroyed everything and the rest of the world lost hundreds of years worth of technological advancement

[modest skiff]

People currently alive who have aged normally remember Vegapunk as a kid

Also please edit out your other series reference

[compact crane]

[modest skiff]

Thank you madam

[sturdy hound]

im curious about how you arrived at this 五重六奥. are you saying that 重 and 奥 are respectively equivalent to 十 and 億 in the meaning? or are you just using the reading of those kanji to find equivalence?

im not familiar with any context where the meaning would be equivalent.
五重 just means "5 fold/5 layers" and it has some deep roots in mythology as a term, mainly Buddhism if im not mistaken. you can read more about it here https://kotobank.jp/word/五重-433909. this should be more informative than jisho as far as the significance of the term.

as for 奥, i cant see any connection here other than having the same reading as 億. matter of fact, even online searches correct it to 億 since 六億 exists in one pretty major term in mythology, which also connects to the previous link. so i'd recommend checking this out for anyone looking to make theories about luffy's final bounty https://kotobank.jp/word/五十六億七千万歳-2038505.
the main term here is 五十六億七千万歳, which mean "5.67 billion years", so i would not be surprised if that's what luffy's final bounty ends up being if oda does go with the mythological/historical reference route.
this term has to do with the ascension of Maitreya Bodhisattva which could be equated to joyboy's return.
i would do the theory work myself but i dont care much for theories, so just quote me if anyone ends up looking into this lol.
but back to 奥, it's just used as a unite of measurement in Chinese iirc, like "cup" in english or something like "product No.X" where 奥 is "No."
All that to say, I don’t see how those two kanji you used to replace 10 and oku would work in any capacity.

ill look back to this once luffy's finaly bounty is revealed to see if i got it right as 5.67B

also for w/e it's worth (and i dont mean this to downplay your effort or beliefs) im not a fan of gorowase (aka number word play in japanese) of this nature.
i think it goes way off track with trying to find kanji that have the same reading then matching them to elements of the story to attach value to them.
i feel like this is one of those instances where you have multiple layers of supposed wordplay that is iffy at times, so i dont see the merit in it personally.
just my two cents, maybe youre super right, idk. keep doing what youre doing as long as you believe in it

[round pebble]

I think BB's last fruit will be the redline.

Some of BB's powers possible references are:
Apep, God of Chaos and Darkness, Enemy of Sun God Ra, known for causing earthquakes and is shown to be a snake

6th Seal of Revelation says: "And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;"

And I remembered that there was a popular theory on the redline being a giant snake that ate the moons in the one piece world; supported by broggy saying "Giant serpent soaked in blood; snake carvings on the reverse mountain entrance; Bakunawa lore etc

And we know the most popular grand theory of one piece is destroying the redline to unite the 4 seas.

So if:

The redline is actually a devil fruit user
The redline is destroyed and the fruit user dies
BB can obtain the fruit

[dim cloak]

I think you're overthinking it. The red line in and on itself is the snake simile and not an actual snake. There's no DF user with a snake fruit as you described and even if there was, they would not be able to stay across the world like a ring over the sea.

[radiant crown]

What if there used to be a giant snake, but it got turned to stone, and then the land of the red line basically is on top of it.

[dim cloak]

If it got turned to stone, then it would be dead and the fruit would've reincarnated somewhere across the world.

[radiant crown]

So, there are snake fruits both the Hebi Hebi no Mi: Models Anaconda and King Cobra.

Surely a giant could have eaten one of those in the past and become a "Giant Snake", or perhaps even joyboy gigantified it. Or it's just a normal giant animal like zunesha.

Furthermore hancock's fruit the mero mero no mi model turns people to stone, but can also be reversed, so those turned to stone arent dead yet

[dim cloak]

I'll bite my tongue on that last point, but without entering into detail, that last one isn't possible.

On Joyboy gigantifying it, that's a theory that has not been proven so I don't think it should be used as a solid arguements.

And finally, even if a giant eats a snake fruit, they wouldn't be big enough to encircle the whole world. Same with a Zunesha-height animal.

[radiant crown]

We are both biting our tongue here for the same reason

It remains to be seen, but were a fruit user turned to stone, surely the fruit can't reincarnate immediately as the user is not dead.

I would expect the fruit to regenerate if and when the statue was destroyed, however we've seen BB able to take fruits from carcasses before

I don't think its worth discarding the snake redline theory entirely, as there are routes into making it a possibility

[radiant crown]

there could easily be a mythical Hebi Hebi no mi Model Jörmungandr

[round pebble]

What if boa's fruit can depetrify the redline?

as far as we've seen, you don't die when you get petrified

We've seen during skypiea, the shandorians worshipping the giant snake

we know that lunarians, who were from the moon, called gods living on the redline

Even if the redline isn't a devil fruit user, it may very well be Uranus, the snake in skypiea is called the master of the Sky, the egg roger had may be a child of the redline, just like the snake on skypiea was the grandchild of the snake during noland's time

And that's why BB would want it's power and it would fit the snake/red/moon image

[radiant crown]

Rogers egg being a snake related to the skypiean ones is probably not a bad theory

[dim cloak]

Biting my tongue, but that is factually impossible.

[radiant crown]

That is already too far

[modest skiff]

Just fyi, thoughts like “what if” rather than long form, evidence based theories, are a better fit for #manga-serious . We generally try to keep this channel for when people have a large cohesive idea to put forth. Serious is a good channel for thoughts you are considering but don’t have a lot of evidence

[round pebble]

@modest skiff Noted my bad

[modest skiff]

No worries my friend just letting you know

[median ether]

my b

[pure raven]

i got a pre good sized ass theory but i gotta wait for this place to go from 1058 theories to 1059 😩

[stone sparrow]

so i got this theory about black beard. black beard has the mythical inu inu no mi model cerberus or some other sort of 3 related fruit. you see on his flag that he has 3 skulls. you see the flags of other pirates directly relate to the captain of thier crew, shanks, big mom, luffy, kaido etc. well in greek myth cerberus was the guard dog to hell, he watched over souls.

[unique hornet]

yeah it is classic bb theorie

[stone sparrow]

so each head can have 1 devil fruit. this can be more related to black beard than orochi because of the connection with DF and Souls

[unique hornet]

he also has 3 guns.

[unique hornet]

valid but i think like orochi's devil fruit can do that too. He is mythical zoan and has 9 heads. Does that mean he can also eat 9 dfs?

[stone sparrow]

no. that is why i said the connection between Devil fruits and souls

because cerbeus lives directly in the underworld surronded by dead people ie souls. orochi is just a hydra

[unique hornet]

i didnt get the soul thing

[stone sparrow]

you see when big mom ate caramel she got the devil fruit after that. mean that Devil fruits can be transfered through consume the previous user ie souls

[unique hornet]

okay that makes sense. i understand know

[stone sparrow]

also black beard has a big motif with 3, 3 skulls on flag, 3 guns, 3 "beards" he ends with laugh with 3 ha's

also the theory can go into a little more detail with backstory

you see what if black beard ate a devil fruit that he didnt know what it was like luffy. when eating it he didnt fully understand everything but he knew that he had more than 1 soul inside him. ie 3 heads for cerberus or even another god idk. but with that he figured he could eat more devil fruits so he hunted down the most power logia and paramecia since he already had what he believed to be the strongest zoan. and after found and tested his theory with the darkness fruit. he then waited for oppourtiny to get the strongest paramecia or whitebeard fruit. so when the time came he knew the process and was able to do without any issues. since it seem liked he knew what he was doing before hand when he gained white beard's fruit

also i believe that a person could have more than 1 devil fruit but not more than 1 of the same type basically 1 logia, 1 zoan and 1 paramecia. cause have 2 zoan fruits could collide with each other

[unique hornet]

this explains why he has so much information about devil fruits. Also fits the luffy zoro bb in Jaya "They, probably" means 3 souls in his body. And maybe this cerberus df might be releated to he never sleeps. His other souls meet the need for sleep but this has to be releated to mythology

[stone sparrow]

another thing is what if he had to kill thatch. cause thatch already ate the devil fruit. cause the 3 times weve seen black beard steal someone's devil fruit it was the user was dead. this leads into my bigger theory

[unique hornet]

after all he knows how to get the dfs out of body

[stone sparrow]

black beard has the hito hito no mi. model [name of moon god or god of death]. this plus his back story would mirror luffy. luffy wants to be pirate king cause it is the most freedom. black beard wants to be pirate king cause it has the most power and he can conquer

cause right now imo black beard is weaker than luffy. with the hito hito no mi model nika. cause we havent really seen black use any form of haki at all. if at all he barely uses it

this one is sorta serious but also joke. but if it turns out that black beard has say the devil fruit zoan hades it would fun to see him instead face zoro in raftel and luffy goes after akinu or something. having zoro and black beard duke it out to see who is the ruler of hell

[analog sun]

I don't have much in the ways of evidence for this but I'm really liking the idea that Imu will be surprisingly designed.

I think at first we'll be shocked to find it subverting obvious expectations of power, for example Imu would could be really small (maybe tontata) wearing clothes that make them look bigger. We're then going to be led to believe they don't actually have any fighting power and rule with intelligence/knowledge.

And then when we're comforted in that opinion we'll be shocked to see Imu easily blocking some overwhelming attack with casual Haki. They will proceed to fight like a boss and easily recover from being thrown in the sea.

Finally it all comes together with the reveal that Imu had the water logia all along and they're only now starting to use it because it got serious (ie massive pirate alliance) .

Sorry i know most of this is head canon but it would fit some themes of One Piece

[sage pond]

Ok I'm buying this theory idc

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[sage pond]

if this is directed towards me then idk whats there to joke about in my message, it makes sense

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[high harness]

So there's my theory that long ring long land arc was not just stupid arc that gave us nothing, i think Foxy will have to do something at the end, ir not Foxy, something from that arc will be a revealing or influental to something. And i don't think Oda would do such an fillerish arc for no reason

[dim cloak]

Most people's thoughts about that specific sentiment is that there is gonna be a Davy Back Fight played at some point during the endgame, considering Robin is the only person who can read the Phoneglyphs, so the top dogs of the pirate world (knowing Luffy is an Emperor now) will try to nab her via Davy Back Fights instead of trying to mess with them directly.

People point (without proof) towards Shanks and BlackBeard for this specific thing, but considering that Fullalead is where the Davy Back Fight began as a tradition, I'm leaning towards BlackBeard if it ends up coming around in some way, which I don't think it will nor I want to.

I specially hope they don't try it with Shanks cuz I think an all out assault like the ones Roger and WhiteBeard did on their young days would suit more to Shanks as a call-back and the such.

[fading viper]

Regardless of what you think Foxy will do later, Long Ring Long was far from a stupid arc that gave us nothing. It helped put the fear of losing his crew and drive to prevent that by getting stronger into Luffy, arguably one of his three strongest themes as a character, and then amplified and sealed that in further through Aokiji.

Long Ring Long is the reason Luffy was forced to get creative in being stronger. It's the arc that showed him not only that what he had wasn't enough, but that even when he was stronger he was still just barely able to keep things together sometimes.

Or in other words, we get the rest of One Piece because Long Ring Long happened. If you take that arc out, Luffy dies in Enies Lobby and the series ends. Or, he dies in Thriller Bark, and the series ends. Or if by some miracle he gets through both of those exact same arcs with the same details, he doesn't make it to a time skip, and the series ends. We get the world of One Piece we have now because Luffy decided he couldn't be a weak shit to the rest of the world at large after getting beat on and embarrassed at Long Ring Long and almost losing his crew.

[round terrace]

All makes sense what's this cerberus abt ( ik the 3 headed dog)

[vast salmon]

The comment with V+V is wrong it should be V+I+V+I=12

[sage pond]

It can be V + V because "V" itself is pronounced Vi or Vee

[vast salmon]

Ok u got me

[pure raven]

Nvm

[hot heart]

I had been thinking the WG were becoming lacking in strength, and not keeping up with the strength of the peak tiers, such that they probably had to introduce a new set of 'elites' to remain intimidating. Their new strength coming from Vegapunk makes a lotta sense. There's no limit to how OP the power of 'science' can be though, so the next era of power scaling could get blown up outta control. Also, Oda will probably go crazy and bring wacky enemies into the story now that the 'lines' have been crossed. Saying all this cus Oda's been saying the real OP has only just started. I can see the rest of the series being comparable to what happened when gunpowder and advanced technology started arising back in the past, i.e. the intro of science could result in crazy fights/world wars.

[zinc remnant]

Wait can they canonically have 1 of each type?

The only person I know of who has more than 1 devil fruit is blackbeard and he has 3 souls inside of him

[frigid schooner]

So far I don't think there has been a definitive answer on that outside of implications. Blackbeard being an outlier and shocking people definitely does make it seem to be the case though.

[zinc remnant]

Blackbeard might be my favorite character because of that

I remember getting tons of shit because his crew looked the coolest to me compared to other crews like the straw hats. That and the fact that Blackbeard actually existed in real life

[stone grail]

I think vegapunk can clone kaido as well since he managed to clone the dragon df

[frigid schooner]

I wonder though if other races might be harder to clone compared to baseline humans. I'd imagine Fishman or Oni dna would be much harder to crack and copy than others given the unique physiology involved.

[hoary hatch]

There is no canon confirmation to how Blackbeard manages to have more than one DevilFruit. I am assuming that this will be explained before the story is over, but for now all these "he has 3 souls" theories are completely unproven.

[wraith shard]

Vegapunk has a DNA Devil Fruit. He can make exact clone replicas of people which not just include their appearance and personalities, but their powers too. He also has a DNA splicing technique used to mix various DNA together hence what we saw in today's chapter.

[zinc remnant]

Ah okay just I hear that luffy always calls Blackbeard “they” implying he is not just one person. Maybe he is so badass within OP it allows him to have more than 1

[wraith shard]

Vegapunk would probably be given some leftover plate with crumbs on it that had a dish that was eaten by a Warlord and then he used his powers to extract the DNA from said crumbs or something.

[hoary hatch]

There was ONE instance where Luffy and Zoro spoke of Blackbeard as "Them" when Nami complained about him. And my theory is that this was because Luffy and Zoro recognized that Blackbeard has a pirate crew of his own and isn't alone. And this was right before the BB crew was revealed.

[zinc remnant]

Oh okay that explains it.

[pure raven]

i'd imagine there's a lot of powerful WG-aligned characters even apart from gorosei/imu who have yet to be revealed. considering the final war will have them facing a luffy-led pirate alliance, the revolutionaries, and likely the cross guild plus a large chunk of marines at the same time

[wraith shard]

@hoary hatch Thoughts on my theory?

[ashen latch]

i think lunarians are from the civilization that enel found on the moon, considering "lunar" refers to the moon, and enel found writings of an ancient civilization on the moon's walls

[winged summit]

Theory: since we now know that Shakky was the emperor of AL and Rayleigh was 2nd in command to Roger, this mean that at the end of the story Zoro will end up with Boa instead of Luffy

[near juniper]

Are there actually panels of Enel on the moon?

[near juniper]

DNA fruit makes alot of sense

[jade wagon]

Cover story

[near juniper]

Ah, which chapters?

[zinc meteor]

the new pacifistas prob. has their own conscience due to their sense of fashion style derived from the originals. They are prob. just forced to take orders from the marines.

[wraith shard]

I doubt it unless Boa meets Zoro and think that he's more sexy than Luffy. For now, the ship is Zoro and Hiyori.

[wraith shard]

Name Ideas: DNA DNA Fruit, Gene Gene Fruit, Splice Splice Fruit, Bio Bio Fruit.

[solar chasm]

I think Buggy's Seraphim Pacifista will be the most powerful of them all. His Buggy ball is gonna be an actual tactical nuke. He can split himself as well for maximum evasion. Also he can slash a mountain with his three knives

[obsidian yoke]

It seems to me that, this chapter is setting up a one piece story beat from chapter 4-5. Blackbeard probably kidnapped coby for his bounty for the cross guild. From there he will be put before Buggy, Crocodile, Mihawk and company. And you know who is in the group with them? Alvida. She will remember him, and expose him for being apart of her crew way back in chapter 2, and is going to use that information to try to black mail him or something.

Because if the Navy finds out about his time with Alvida, he can be arrested for being a spy. Akainu, himself would be more then willing to kill Coby especially after the events of Marineford.

I mean I doubt that Coby will sucumb to black maile but hes gonna try. I imagine he and his former captain might get in a brawl where he defeats her in a way that Mirrors luffy.

Also I think Buggy is the son of Rocks. He is the same age of Shanks, and its the reason why the Marines fear him so much is because he is the son of the strongest pirate to sail the seas\

[sinful bolt]

Buggy getting a high fever before the last island was suspicious af. The fact that Shanks stayed with him and cried when he probably asked Roger about how they came about on Roger's ship. It was Buggy all along that's the baby left at God Valley. Shanks has just been covering up for him all this time.

[worthy shard]

https://youtu.be/vBJAFobmBgU

[wraith shard]

I swear if Luffy fights a Sepharim Luffy, then Oda has probably jumped the shark.

[azure dust]

who is sepharim

[radiant crown]

The below is a theory:

We know Koby was captured, due to information shared between marines.

What we didn't hear is that the secret project seraphim were taken aswell. BB either forced Koby to control them or use Devon to transform into Koby and control them.

At the moment I don't have another reason why BB took Koby

@eager remnant pointed out that the Mihawk seraphim may have been captured when BB used blackhole, as the seraphim was in melee range and then was never shown again

[dim cloak]

!headcanon

[lone hedge]

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/onepiece/images/0/05/Franky_Gun_Hair.png/revision/latest?cb=20150206010613

[dim cloak]

And to that I say Judge, who could literally create grown humans and clone them.

Vegapunk likely can do the same but better and w/out the need to explain it with a DF.

[hard elbow]

What do y’all think about shaky reveal? I honestly didn’t see it coming

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[shrewd dune]

thought she was with rocks

[untold drum]

its looking like the story's headed to a luffy vs blackbeard fight, does that mean blackbeard is going to elbaff and theyre gonna fight there or is luffy going to change course somehow?

[radiant crown]

predicting luffys next move is usually difficult, but predicting blackbeards moves is impossible

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[urban roost]

blackbeard attacking hancock and kidnapping coby is a big deal in building tension between him and luffy. in my opinion this is proof that he could very well be the final villain of the series

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[fathom matrix]

OH WAIT, ODA SAID IN AN SBS THAT IF JINBE HAD A FRUIT IT'D BE THE TORI TORI NO MI!

was that potential foreshadowing for serephims? Are we gonna see a kid lunarian jinbe?

[lapis sonnet]

what if the extinct lunarians are being experimented on to create these cyborgs....black wings....dark skin.....white hair and flames coming out of it

[weak arrow]

Well we already know king was experimented on by the world government in his flashback. They are probably using his lunarian DNA and DNA from the warlords to create clones. So boa and Mihawk are now enhanced by both pacifista technology and the durability and swiftness of lunarians.

Although they would be lacking their devil fruits like boa and their haki

[urban roost]

blackbeard is becoming a menace

[lapis sonnet]

since they use the lunarians dna have been used...maybe their weakness will still be the same.....like what zoro did, so basically they gotta talk to zoro in order to beat them

[weak arrow]

Or whoever fights them can just figure out the weakness like Zoro did. And yes, they will have the same weakness, although the pacifista technology can help circumvent it.!

[lapis sonnet]

just maybe they might get near to vegapunk reveal...since this is the first invention and mention of vegapunk ever since dressrosa

[dim cloak]

I also don't think there's like, an explanation as to when they have fire on their back and when they don't. It might be a stamina thing.

[zinc iris]

According to Shanks he has always been

[stone sparrow]

it isnt canon but think logically you can more easily combine 1 logia with 1 zoan for example and make a snow whale. but you cant easily combine 2 zoans like a whale and a eagle same thing with others look at black beard after he ate the gura gura fruit. he has 1 fist for each fruit. 1 for darkness and 1 for earthquake. i dont weve ever seen him use the fruits on the other hands

[agile holly]

heyho could it be that BB just ha a fruit with him when he killed WB and ate it afterwards and then lifte the Black Curtain thing ? So could it be that he cant steal fruits with his own or is the proof already about this skill?