007 First Light

[mighty wind]

even without a limiter actually engaged

But I think without DC or FG, there is no reflex

Something's fucked

Try it

[primal stirrup]

I am using Relimiter, so that could explain things

[zinc fossil]

I am using nothing whatsoever and I am constantly in the 110-116fps range but my CPU is getting fried

lol

[mighty wind]

It hates limiters. Even loading times disapper when you uninstall DC/relimiter

I think it's reflex

[primal stirrup]

IS THAT WHAT CAUSES THE LAG ON LOADING?

[mighty wind]

Yes

[primal stirrup]

I was thinking that was absurd to load a save taking 3 minutes

[timber tendon]

oh lord

[mighty wind]

Just tested a bunch of shit

Its that

[timber tendon]

sigh

[primal stirrup]

I'm going to scream

[timber tendon]

i feel like it got worse after recent patch

[hollow yoke]

I'm using reflex and I posted that example where it's fine on my end

[mighty wind]

When I just let it spin up to max refresh rate, almost zero load times and waaaay better lows. Literally 118fps vs. 78

[mighty wind]

what are you using to inject reflex?

[primal stirrup]

That explains the frametimes going mental

[mighty wind]

The game itself only enables reflex when you turn on FG

[mighty wind]

Try without, let me know

[primal stirrup]

At work, but I definitely will once I am home

[hollow yoke]

ignore me, I was on Hitman earlier today and got mixed up. I'm using ULLM from the driver, not Reflex, since I think it just enables itself when you use FG in First Light and doesn't have its own toggle

[mighty wind]

Yep, im certain reflex is the problem here

Would love somebody else to help me verify

@inner seal without reflex (DC, Relimiter) Im basically locked to 138-144fps in Q-Lab. Load time is also < 5 seconds

[kindred mantle]

game uses reflex even without FG i'm pretty sure, optiscaler shows reflex

[mighty wind]

Nope, im hitting 144 (max refresh)

[zinc fossil]

idk but I never had any dips in q-lab that lazorr mentioned

[mighty wind]

Higher latency without FG as well

Which is nuts

[smoky lava]

reading latency with software is not necessarily accurate

[mighty wind]

My fps is though, reflex isnt active without FG

[inner seal]

I wouldn't be surprised if their reflex implementation is wonky

not uncommon for games to have reflex issues

[smoky lava]

idk i remember someone showing latency numbers

and it was around 25ms for 120fps with fg

[mighty wind]

Give it a try, uninstall DC/relimiter

[smoky lava]

which does not make sense

[inner seal]

I already did cause I swapped to opti

but haven't been back to the lab to test

[wise narwhal]

huh

HDR highlights are better in M vs. L?

why?

was there a M vs. L comparison somewhere

[inner seal]

M and L are both waaaaay better than prior models, M slightly better than L idk how much though

but M is basically just better than L anyways outside of a few specific situations so 🤷

[wise narwhal]

I thought L was supposed to be a bit better, but heavier

They're probably close

And yea, likely depends on the situation

[inner seal]

I don't really like L as much, tends to ghost/smear a bit more and cause stronger aliasing artifacts

[wise narwhal]

That's helpful to know. I know you've compared all this stuff closely.

[inner seal]

I only use it if its needed to resolve temporal noise that M can't handle

[smoky lava]

really small highlights M is quite a bit better than L

but both are fine

[mighty wind]

Hmm I've never managed to get opti to work. Game just won't boot with it...installed via RHI. It must be incompatible with something

[kindred mantle]

E and K look too similar here I think, are you sure you weren't using one of the dlls that removed the old presets? E doesn't mute highlights quite as much as K from what I tested

[smoky lava]

you might be right

@kindred mantle which version has all presets?

[hollow yoke]

the driver override DLL always had them all because they never got removed from it, but they added E back with 310.6 in general as well to the standard DLL

[rugged lodge]

where does the renodx file meant to go? I put it in the retail file but didnt work

[rigid salmon]

Renodx file same place as exe

[rugged lodge]

Yeah it's there but no new options appear in reshade

[loud notch]

Did you use reshade with addon? Regular reshade won’t do

[rugged lodge]

yes

[grizzled flicker]

Did you copy the addon file into main directory?

[rugged lodge]

Yes into the retail directory

[shell tundra]

It should be in the top of that window, as a tab

Are you looking in the wrong place

[weary tusk]

this is still the latest one?

[shell tundra]

Yep

[smoky lava]

E/K/L/M

you right

E is a bit better than K

[rugged lodge]

Works now. Just reinstalled it. Changed nothing so unsure what changed

[smoky lava]

also noticed L and E both really like and improve more with output scaling

at 2x L matches M and is more stable

[hollow yoke]

not with Optiscaler, but I use L with DLDSR and it's really nice

[smoky lava]

DLDSR is better quality wise I think as well

i just can't use it cuz DSC

what is also a bit odd

with DLAA M and L are worse than with DLSS quality

in terms of highlights

[weary tusk]

can't you disable it on youre monitor?

50 series can use dldsr even with dsc

[smoky lava]

I'm on 4090

[weary tusk]

ah same 🙁

[smoky lava]

and monitor doesn't have the bandwidth anyway

no dp 2.1

or 2.0

[weary tusk]

its not only dsc, a;sp dsc makes our pc games lock to composed flip instead of independent flip/

[smoky lava]

whatever it is

[weary tusk]

more latency 40 series with monitors that got dsc, composed flip is worse for latency and some vrr

if i disable dsc and use hdmi 2,.1 on my monitor my games run in independent flip instead of composed flip

[smoky lava]

🤷‍♂️

don't really have a choice

5090s are absurdly expensive rn

[weary tusk]

yeah same

'had to buy 5090 4 months ago for 2400// buts it's okay i wait for 6090 then

[rugged lodge]

Film grain worth it?

[weary tusk]

but tbh composed flip isn't that noticable in latency wise all people even pros used it when the 50 series wasnt out haha., just sad we cant use dlsr with dsc

i can disable dcs and make my 1440p 360hz monitor 240hz with hdmi 2.1 or with a custom resolution with cru 340 hz is the max i can puit out of the hdmi 2.1 10 bit and no frame skipping

[hollow yoke]

@smoky lava I saw this in passing recently, but I've not looked into it more than that

https://www.reddit.com/r/OLED_Gaming/comments/1s1hbl2/guide_how_to_disable_dsc_and_reduce/

[weary tusk]

dont know if his monitor does have hdmi 2.1 otherwsie it won't work

[kindred mantle]

You mean in general or with highlights?

[smoky lava]

highlights in particular

[kindred mantle]

Wonder if the different downscale filters impact them differently

[smoky lava]

They behave similarly with lancsoz2 and fsr1

E/L/M Dlss Quality 2x scaling

even general detail and stability

L is a LOT better with output scaling

[charred grove]

anyone else has ghosting/tearing with preset m?

[smoky lava]

ok it falls apart a bit in motion

M still better then

[smoky lava]

Frame gen on?

[charred grove]

yes FG on

[smoky lava]

FG is the issue

it doesn't work well with HDR in this for whatever reason

[charred grove]

hmm ok

[smoky lava]

nvidia sponsored title btw

[wise narwhal]

I think someone said DLAA is messed up in this game. Or did you mean in general?

[wise narwhal]

Like 2x super res?

[smoky lava]

nah in terms of highlights alone in general

but the difference is miniscule

[wise narwhal]

So you're saying 2x preset L matches quality preset M or something?,

Or did you mean at 2x, M and L look the same

Probably that

[smoky lava]

L benefits more from output scaling than M

[weary tusk]

So what you recommend for 4k, 49% preset m or l?

[wise narwhal]

I played with L in observer system reduclx, with quality. It looked good

[smoky lava]

M probably

it's generally less ghosty and more detailed

but can have issues in some games

[smoky lava]

this goes hard actually

I can use HDMI instead

and keep 120hz

[wise narwhal]

Can't you just use 8 bpc output to get around it? Or nah

[smoky lava]

don't really wanna do that tho

not sure how much different it would make

[weary tusk]

Why nog 240hz or are you using a 4k monitor?

[wise narwhal]

Why? If it solves the issue, just do that, and nvidia dithers at 8 bit, and you're good

Or you force driver dithering if you need to at 8 bit

Unless i read that guide wrong it's saying to use composed flip?

I wouldn't do that

[smoky lava]

ye

[smoky lava]

no?

[wise narwhal]

What exactly is the guide doing

[weary tusk]

Composed flip isn't that bad it's more for competentive gaming, and still pro gamers used composed flip all time at high refresh rate monitors when the 5pnseries wasn't out?

[smoky lava]

doing it to use independant flip

it's enabling DSR and independant flip for 40 series

basicaly

[wise narwhal]

Oh ok

[weary tusk]

You can do even do 144hz with hdmi 2.1 if you're monitor has the full bandwidth

[wise narwhal]

If 8 bit works seems like a no brainer to just use that....but idk if that solves it

[forest steppe]

Huh?

[weary tusk]

I tried myself independent flip was 20 ms and composed flip 26 ms, for sure if you chars lowest latency it's the best to have independent flip.

But still all pros just used composed flip when the 50nseries wasn't out

[wise narwhal]

I don't believe that

[smoky lava]

I dont think 8 bit solves DP1.4 bandwidth

its 60 hz without dsc

[wise narwhal]

Aw poop

[weary tusk]

All the pros where using high refresh rates monitors all ready when the 40 series where out?

[forest steppe]

Maybe look at pcl stats instead

[weary tusk]

Like 1440p 360 hz or even 480hz

[weary tusk]

Pcl stats has nothing to do with composed flip afaik have seen

[forest steppe]

Hell I’ll do it for you. Composed flip adds a ton of latency

[wise narwhal]

Pros play low res

[weary tusk]

On intel presentmon it added only 6ms latency.

[weary tusk]

Still at 480hz or something with display port 1.4

[forest steppe]

I don't know if present mon is that accurate

[smoky lava]

good tip

[forest steppe]

or rather I don't really know what its measuring

[smoky lava]

cant do 144

but can do 136 😎

[weary tusk]

I didn't saw any difference in pcl latency.

I could check it again wait

[charred grove]

yeah FG off solved the tearing and ghosting with 4k and quality still have average around 100 fps which is enough for me for that kind of game ... unfortunately the hdr black does have flicker sometimes on my C4 42 inch oled ... i miss fps bar ingame to set sepcific fps

[wise narwhal]

Isn't it about frame pacing too?

Not just latency

[weary tusk]

It's more for a more accurate vrr also and latency

[wise narwhal]

It can't do 1080p 480hz?

I can check later

[forest steppe]

you know what's hilarious is pcl just refuses to work

awesome the one time it works

I have to wait for shaders to compile

v-sync on

[weary tusk]

Doemt look that big of a difference

Composed flip is here around 2 to 3 ms more latency

[forest steppe]

off(vrr engaged)

so with v-sync off its not really that different

this is technically with quarter rate v-sync engaged

[weary tusk]

Ueja I always play without vsync on my main monitor ( don't like vrr flicker) so mostly gsync is disabled

On my tv streaming I have vrr enabled on client and vsync but that's a different story

But this is what I meant, yes there is a difference with composed vs independent flip, but it isn't so big what people are claiming

[weary tusk]

Where you had vsync enabled? In game or in nvdia global settings?

Let me check 🙂

[forest steppe]

admittedly it isn't as bad as I thought, but I do remember being stuck in composed flip once

and it felt way more responsive when I went into hw if

[forest steppe]

in game

[weary tusk]

Okay Let me check in game

[forest steppe]

but keep in mind that ff16 uses half rate/quarter rate v-sync

so vrr isn't engaged

[wise narwhal]

yea it was more frame pacing and VRR performance that I was thinking of

[wise narwhal]

YOu're right that 1080p 480hz is too much for DP1.4 without DSC. However, 6 bpc works. My assumption was just that anyone tryna latency max in something like CS2 would prefer flip, however it's also true that the average "competitive gamer" has no clue wtf they're talking about. I still have friends to this day that claim borderless windowed adds lag

so 🤷‍♂️

[weary tusk]

Hahahaha lol borderless is insane these days

Most games that have full screen option are still borderless windowed behind the screen

[wise narwhal]

yea

DX12 games for example

[weary tusk]

Okay with vsync it's a little higher yes but still it wouldent be noticeable for the normal people

[forest steppe]

I noticed it 😭

granted technically I was comparing that to vrr with hardware if

[weary tusk]

What frames where you running and what was you're pcl latency?

[forest steppe]

60

[weary tusk]

I think if you're running 200+ fps it is unoticable

[forest steppe]

and at the time idk

[weary tusk]

Yeah then it could be.

[forest steppe]

I didn't have pcl metrics up

[weary tusk]

But running 120 fps or even 200+ fps in competentive games the latency is all ready super low so normal people can't feel it at all

[forest steppe]

I think I got hit with the youtube chromium bug

it is insane how that is still an issue today

luckily disabling hardware decode doesn't really have much of a downside

[weary tusk]

Here at 200 fps, look at how low the difference is, this is with vsync even enabled

Let me disable vsync and test again

Around the same at 200+ fps

[charred grove]

ok i think setting refreshrate not to highest available monitor refreshrate rather to apllication controlled helps with hdr black level flicker

[weary tusk]

So let's say 10% worse latency. But having 12 ms or 14 ms won't make you win the game 😂 so that's what I mean even competentive players played on it at 1080p 480jz, as long if you're fps is high difference is negotiable

[weary tusk]

Some advice in these settings?

Maybe film grain off?

[inner seal]

I like some dechroma, idk reds and greens feel bad without some

also like 60ish lut strength

[weary tusk]

How much dechroma are you using?

[inner seal]

doesn't really start to change much until ~60

[weary tusk]

Why is lut set to 100 default always in renoxd then?

[empty bear]

Different games, different strokes, I've found 100 right in a lot of titles, but I've also dropped to 50.

[inner seal]

its the original look of the game

I don't like their lut fully, it raises shadows too much

[weary tusk]

Ah okay got it thanks

By the way, I have not so high cpu bottleneck at the market now like someone had with 9800X3D under 100 fps

If I set lower res I have seen 110 fps is the lowest fps. Before the cpu bottleneck came

No dropping under 100 fps like some people said

7800x3d debloated windows 23h2 revios small ram tune 6000mhz pwrdn disabled gear down disabled en all secundair timings tightened cl28 58ms in aida64

[weary tusk]

Someone know a way/mod hoe to remove ui elements like the mission in left cornor like a toggle how to open it

[slow burrow]

Which one do yall prefer?

I feel like playing with flares on 100 (the darker picture) feels way more natural, mainly because my monitor is OLED

The vanilla one seems sooo washed

[languid moat]

Interesting... testing

[vast mulch]

Left pics look better

Both

[weary tusk]

Testing it know, but looks likes flares at 100 is doing a lot of black crushing?

[kindred mantle]

lol don't do 100 flare, it will be unplayable

[weary tusk]

Missing a lot of details at flare 100

[slow burrow]

not here tho

i think it really depends on the monitor then

[kindred mantle]

just increase contrast a bit and maybe turn down bloom, the bloom is probably contributing to what you call washed out

[weary tusk]

85% flare looks better to me, no black crushing /losing details

[slow burrow]

85% flare and 22% bloom looks good as well

[kindred mantle]

85 flare will definitely crush

[slow burrow]

blacks arent gray and still has details

[slow burrow]

not here, it looks fine

[weary tusk]

8 have oled contrast set to 100% this is on my tv so idk of that's a difference haha

Gamma set to 4

( best for this tv to have deep blacks)

[slow burrow]

thats why im trying to make blacks even deeper

black tones just feel so gray when comparing to other games

after changing bloom and flare, now it finally looks like blacks are actually deep blacks

[inner seal]

its their lut and fog in some scenes

[weary tusk]

I set bloom to 25% flare now to 85 and film grain to 0.

[slow burrow]

exactly

it really feels weird on oled

look at the difference

[weary tusk]

Oled for hdr always set contrast to 100% and birhgtness to max, idk why you should put it lower?

[inner seal]

lut 100/0, not perfect without it but it just... idk looks wrong to me

[slow burrow]

same. Flare 100 and bloom 100 does lose some detail with those deep blacks, but flare 85 and bloom 22 (to me) seems like details are still here and i got the deep blacks. Looks perfect now

[weary tusk]

Also set contrast to 100% I suppose?

[slow burrow]

it does look like something is off

[slow burrow]

I tried to find a contrast setting on mine but it looks like it doesnt have any

my oled tv does but not my monitor

[inner seal]

maybe at some point I will try to dump the lut and see what it looks like

[slow burrow]

Oh it actually does but I think it’s locked because of my image mode

[weary tusk]

Ahh msi, probably locked to 100 then

What monitor is it?

[slow burrow]

yeah I'm changing the image modes but contrast option is still locked

[slow burrow]

https://www.msi.com/Monitor/MAG-271QP-QD-OLED-X28/Overview

[weary tusk]

Think msi is locking it to 100 in hdr mode only

[slow burrow]

probably

[weary tusk]

Weird refresh rate,

My msi MPG271QX does have 360hz

Are you using 1000 nits mode or the new eot mode or?

[slow burrow]

i went for this one because of a black friday deal they had

i think it was $380 usd which is a steal

and honestly not much difference from 280-360

im using true black 400

[weary tusk]

Insane!!!

By the way if you want to go in the secret menu and check panel time etc

It's easy

Hold /click the joystick when monitor is turned off

Then turn monitor on

[slow burrow]

ohhh had no idea

good to know

i got an oled tv as well but I barely use it since when i got my monitor

the tv is sooo much better tho

[weary tusk]

https://display-corner.epfl.ch/index.php?title=MSI_MPG_271QRX#Service_menu

Here you see how to get in secret menu

[weary tusk]

Yeah monitor sucks at 10% window

Tvs are good at it

[slow burrow]

and the tv brightness is crazy good as well

[weary tusk]

What brightness is you're TV/tv model

[slow burrow]

LG G3

https://www.lg.com/us/tvs/lg-oled65g3pua-oled-4k-tv

mine's 55'' tho

not 65

[weary tusk]

Nice!

[slow burrow]

Peak Brightness: It can reach between 1,400 to 1,500 nits in accurate modes (like Filmmaker Mode) and up to 2,000+ nits in peak/Vivid modes.

[weary tusk]

So around 1500 nits

[slow burrow]

basically yeah

[weary tusk]

Mine is Phillips c5 equlivant, does 1250 nits in game mode. Not the best buts it's decent, I love to use dtm often I know it's crazy but for some reason it's kinda good ( Vincent from hdtvtest) also said phillios had a amazing dtm feature.

I know dtm is 4000 nits.

But I still set windows calibration to 1250 and renoxd to 1250.

Or should I need to set windows calibration to 4000 nits and renoxd if I want to use dtm?

I found some mixed opinions about this.

[slow burrow]

you can try both and see what looks better

1250 is already good enough tho

[weary tusk]

To me setting windows and renoxd to 1250 and then use dtm looks the best. But that could just be me 😂

[slow burrow]

just do it then, I think opinions are mixed because each tv has different settings. People will have different contrast, sharpness, image modes, etc

you gotta do your own image and see what fits better

[weary tusk]

Yeah love the TV and the ambylight

[slow burrow]

looks really good, tvs are just on another level

[weary tusk]

Lg g series are great or Phillips 900+ series (uses g series panels)

You have 0 image retention probably because of you're a heatsink

For me and lg c series tv, when I set a couple of sec like youtube or something other static.

Then when I switch to a grey screen I can still see it for like 10 sec

[slow burrow]

yep, that shit was expensive af lol

[weary tusk]

Then it fades away

[slow burrow]

i found a deal for $1600

at the time, my G3 was the latest model and now they already got the G6

[weary tusk]

G series doesn't have that afaik because the heatsink.

Have you ever seen image retention? Like when you're for a couple of seconds on a static screen and then go to grey screen you see it a couple of sec

[slow burrow]

only issue I had was something like a dead pixel, a little dot that went away with some pixel refresh

[slow burrow]

nah never

[weary tusk]

G3 to g4 wasn't a big jump, g4 to g5 was, g5 to g6 again no big jump

[slow burrow]

people are actually complaining a lot about the g6

but im happy with the g3 and not planning to replace it lol

[weary tusk]

Yeah but wasn't it the same for the g5 at launch?

They release a broken tv and after a couple of months software updates fixed it haha

[slow burrow]

some old pictures i found

[weary tusk]

Tbh g5 and g6 have amazing brightness 2500+ nits, but I don't think the double nits or double 100% windows brightness on paper is the same as seeing it with you're eye, ofcourse the g5 /g6 is amazing and the best, but not double like it is on paper

[weary tusk]

For some reason Sony port studios where the only ones how to make properly hdr for pc and ps5 😂

[slow burrow]

Mine with 1500 feels insane, I can't even imagine what 2500+ would be lmao

but you're right, it could be a big jump from 400 to 1500 but maybe not that big from 1500 to 2500

[weary tusk]

Yes exactly what I mean

How many hours do you have in you're g3?

[slow burrow]

uhh let me see

[weary tusk]

How long you have the TV for?

[slow burrow]

probably around 2 years

[weary tusk]

Got 1450 hours already on my new 77 inch tv in 8 months 😂

But tbh I haven't used my monitor anynore for sp games, always playing in tv now

[slow burrow]

yeah since I got my monitor I havent been using my tv that much, I feel like I played all the games I wanted on my ps5 and I'm not really playing it anymore. Usually I would buy ps5 games just because of the oled experience, but then I also upgraded my pc and got the monitor. Now I can get the same "tv experience" with better performance. Now I'm mainly using it for movies and tv shows

[slow burrow]

yep thats what I do lol, sp games on tv (if it doesnt involve aiming)

aiming with a controller sucks

[weary tusk]

I understand,

You can't connect pc to tv?

I stream it to my tv over moonlight.

Got a mini pc client amd 7940hs with a 780m and runs amazing 4k 120hz or 4k 144hz streaming

Only thing is amd gpu can't decode yuv 4:4:4 subchroma, but tbh I tested and couldn't notice any difference besides sharper text visibility. Not anything important for gaming

[slow burrow]

my rtx 3080 sucks for 4k

it does great on 2k but in 4k my fps gets bad

my 9800x3d is not enough, i definitely need to upgrade the gpu next

[weary tusk]

Amazing latency on this mini client.

[weary tusk]

Yeah okay, you have the best cpu, so next thing to upgrade is gpu one time in the future 🙂

[slow burrow]

thats actually really good

[slow burrow]

not gonna lie im so emotionally attached to my gpu lmao

[weary tusk]

Yeah sub 1 ms decoding time is insane for moonlight.

[slow burrow]

i bought it when it was the latest release but stocks were so low and they were never in stock, then i found out through a friend of mine whos a best buy employee and he told me best buy would have it in stock

people were camping outside

[weary tusk]

Also got this controller for my phone can play pc games in my bed then 🙂

Wtf

You got it on release?

I got my 3080 strix at release I ordered it ( received it 3 months later) for only 800 euro. Couple months later it went up to 2k 😂

[slow burrow]

i remember getting in line at my local best buy at 6pm until the next day at 8am when the store was supposed to open

that was like 14 hours waiting outside of a best buy

[weary tusk]

Insane , what version you got back then?

[slow burrow]

found some pictures of that day

line was huge

at least 300 people waiting for it and they only had 30 units

[slow burrow]

how's it? works good?

[weary tusk]

It's good yes

If you got a decent phone you also have some great time

[slow burrow]

great times

[weary tusk]

Insane haha. Back when corvid started almost 😂

[slow burrow]

exactly, this was in august 2021

[weary tusk]

For what price you got it for mrsp?

[slow burrow]

yeah 750 I believe

or 700 plus taxes

[weary tusk]

Those were golden times. 3080 was only 10% slower then 3090 but costed only 700.....

Now difference between 4080 and 4090 or 5080 and 5090 is insane..... But also the price difference......

[slow burrow]

i wish the msrp was the same

3080 - 700
5080 - 1000

its an insane difference

this and the fact you can't find them for msrp

[weary tusk]

Yeah but not only price difference also peerormance difference is big.

3080 was a goat only 10% slower then 3090

[slow burrow]

I can even trade mine in for some new gpu for some $300 credit and pay the difference but at this point I think i'll just keep it

[weary tusk]

3080 is still an amazing gpu

[finite dune]

Thank you, this looks great on my C5 OLED.

[finite dune]

I have a 3080Ti in my secondary rig, it's a fantastic GPU to this day, and the same performance as a 3090 iirc? Just half the VRAM.

[weary tusk]

Yes it is!

[shadow surge]

Anyone dealing with light flickering? Only fix I'm able to find is disabling bloom

[worn lynx]

Does anyone else get Frame Gen ghosting around Bond's head?

[clever tapir]

Try bloom at 25

[timber tendon]

what does this mean thanks

[smoky lava]

It means L gets more out of optiscaler output scaling

But M is still better in motion

🤷‍♂️

[timber tendon]

you mena the 49%? Does this apply if I'm Nvidia and did that in Nvidia App? Thanks

[smoky lava]

no, just use M

[lean thicket]

does this work for sdr as well like in crimson desert or just hdr only?

[unborn wyvern]

Hey ! When I enable xefg with optiscaler and enable HDR I have huge textures glitch it's a bug with optiscaler not with renodx so ?

[inner seal]

must use beta of opti

[zinc fossil]

I don't know why but opti refuses to work for me in this game

[inner seal]

I crash if I enable HDR after loading into game, but main menu is fine

and I deleted fakenvapi

[cedar crane]

Do you cap with Opti or ReLimiter ?

[zinc fossil]

I usually only copy these files

[cedar crane]

If you cap*

[zinc fossil]

but it doesn't work if I copy the whole thing either so

no idea

[inner seal]

did you set reshade to be loaded via reshade64.dll

and try dxgi.dll for opti

I limit through opti with this configuration as well

[zinc fossil]

No it won't even load without Reshade

game just takes forever to boot, then runs at 8fps or so and crashes eventually

[rigid salmon]

Same, I will wait for game patches till path tracing, before playing.

[timber tendon]

screenshots barely look different i saw

[mighty wind]

Same for me, I've given up

[timber tendon]

supposedly display commander and relimiter are the boot problem

[zinc fossil]

I don't use either

[timber tendon]

Shucks

[inner seal]

I dont think they would work correctly with opti FG anyways, but yeah seems like there are some potentially known random issues on nvidia in current opti

[vital dune]

i had the same problem i can send you a optiscaler dll i found on the opti discord if you want

it fixed my optiscaler don't even know how

on opti scaler discord if you have really low fps using optiscaler

[wicked wasp]

Set game, peak, and ui brightness all to the same value and it’ll work in sdr

[zinc fossil]

that'd be nice, thanks!

[loud temple]

Btw. is this the same as what would be installed from Reshade HDR installer?

[remote idol]

essentially yes but also no
rhi will install the ue-extended mod and you'll need to go into the advanced renodx options and turn upgrade path off
the nexus version does this by default
the nexus version may also have some tuned settings but not sure on this one
@inner seal is the nexus batman mod the same as ue-extended now but with upgrade path off by default?

[white fjord]

 
Game Client Version: 1.0.2 
Release Time: June 2nd, 14:00 UTC / 16:00 CEST 

Size: 382 MB 


FIXES 
   

“Operations” Checkpoint Loading Crash 
Fixed a crash that could occur when loading the "Operations" checkpoint in Chapter 02 “A Night Out”. 
 

GPU Rendering Issue Crash 
Fixed a frequent GPU crash caused by rendering & pipeline issues. 
 

Texture Rendering Crash  
Fixed a crash related to texture loading errors occurring on PC. 
 

Crowd Animation Bug 
Fixed an issue where crowd animation was not resolved when restarting between checkpoints containing crowds (e.g. the Nightclub in Chapter 02 “A Night Out”). ```

[zinc fossil]

oh there's a new update?

hdr toggle still not fixed? lol

seemed like such an easy fix

[vital dune]

No FG + HDR fix

https://tenor.com/view/cat-death-lol-gif-20542436

[tough granite]

not in the notes lol

anyone try?

just in case

[zinc fossil]

no it's listed as known issues still

[rustic ether]

https://tenor.com/view/miss-you-gif-16088318205734507819

[strong mesa]

Just tried not fixed. neither is the FG + HDR

[zinc fossil]

interestingly the HDR + FG issue is not listed as a known issue

[signal sinew]

https://www.nexusmods.com/007firstlight/mods/39 any one, can recommend this?

[zinc fossil]

report it people

[strong mesa]

RTX HDR + Frame gen is the only way to go rn if you want something like HDR with no issues

[zinc fossil]

nah rather not have FG or just use opti

[vital dune]

Does RenoDX works on rtxhdr ?

[zinc fossil]

No the whole point of RenoDX is to have proper HDR while RTX HDR is just a post process effect

[vital dune]

😭

[grizzled flicker]

Patch 1.0.2

[strong mesa]

RTX HDR is better than nothing imo especially if you use this https://wootehfook.github.io/unofficial-rtx-hdr-calculator/

[vital dune]

didn't know about that i'll look into it thanks

My 240fps are too precious can't play without fg

[strong mesa]

You can also use this to force it to low https://www.nexusmods.com/site/mods/781

[zinc fossil]

renodx at 60fps is better than rtx hdr with 240fps if you ask me

[vital dune]

60fps how can you play at that framerate ;-; im spoiled i guess

[smoky lava]

Sdr is better than rtx hdr

[strong mesa]

I thought the renodx needed the native HDR?

[zinc fossil]

yes

[strong mesa]

Wait nvm]#

Yeah I'd rather have the fg too tbh. RTX HDR with it calibrated looks fine in this game

[remote idol]

if games look good i'm not going to worry about how they got that way
rtx hdr has its place, it's not for everyone but some people will be happy enough with it

[strong mesa]

Obviously I'd rather use native hdr with the mod

[vital dune]

people hating on a tool that you can configure x) it's what you make of it that is important

[strong mesa]

But without the FG I can't. Got 6 hours in with FG before noticing the FG + HDR issues

[zinc fossil]

no one is hating the tool it's just bright SDR

I don't consider it being HDR

[strong mesa]

Imo where it works best is multiplayer games that don't have HDR support

[grave bluff]

Hitman Frame gen worked flawlessly with HDR, wonder what happened in this game and how did NVIDIA allow IOI to ship it this way.

[vital dune]

probably the new dlss

messed up something

[strong mesa]

I have no idea haha. This is the first native HDR game I've ever played with FG issues. I tend to slap both on everything when I can

[zinc fossil]

has anyone tried using DLSSG 3.8.1 on this game?

possible that would work tbh

[grave bluff]

Some Unreal Engine games have this issue like Silent Hill 2 remake, Mafia the old country, even Jedi Survivor

[grave bluff]

It works only if you downgrade all the way to FG 1.0.7.0 DLL

[zinc fossil]

ah then it's some shenanigans like the Jedi Survivor DLSSG

[loud temple]

Upgrade Path was already at "off" with default settings. Just compared it with the screenshot on the Nexus page and only 1 RGB setting was different.

[grave bluff]

Exactly

[strong mesa]

Is the jedi survivor fg fixed now?

Didn't know that had an issue

[grave bluff]

Nope. Has the exact same issue like this game with HDR enabled. Just gargling and warping, it's a mess.

[zinc fossil]

yea I think at some point they added DLSSG but it was broken from the start

specifically version 1.0.7 fixed it

I mean if that works here as well that's a great workaround for the moment, no?

has anyone tried?

[strong mesa]

interesting. I never got around to playing it because it was insulting to me how poorly it ran

[thorn wigeon]

In Jedi: Survivor, the HDR+FG problem can be solved using the command r.Streamline.TagUIColorAlpha=0, as in all Unreal Engine games

[grave bluff]

I didn't. Theoretically it should.

[grave bluff]

Doesn't work in Jedi Survivor but works in other UE5 games.

[zinc fossil]

wait if it's just a streamline tweak it should be fixable with reno framework

[vital dune]

3.8.1 fixes the warping but there is only x2

[thorn wigeon]

I tried the 1.0.7 dll version of FG in James Bond, but it only got worse

[grave bluff]

Jedi Survivor is UE4. This commandline fixes for UE5.x titles, minus Mafia The Old Country. Engine.ini is locked for that game.

[zinc fossil]

was about to say the same thing

1.0.7 looks much worse lmao

[vital dune]

nevermind it doesnt

[grave bluff]

Well yeah that's how Silent Hill 2 renodx modder fixed it I believe.

[zinc fossil]

damn I gotta try this then

[grave bluff]

I believe Musa mentioned once that he will look into the DLSS FG issue but I guess it's not fixable for this game without the devkit

[strong mesa]

Yeah they need to fix it in this one. No mod or FG version will solve it

[zinc fossil]

I guess I'll just try with codex, if it's just a streamline tweak it should know what to do

[strong mesa]

If its not fixed by the time the path tracing update is out, it'll be a much bigger issue

[thorn wigeon]

But I fixed FG ghosting in Stellar Blade with this command, and that UE4

[grave bluff]

Interesting. I tried this command for Jedi Survivor in recent replay and it didn't fix it. Seems like this varies game to game.

[thorn wigeon]

Does it work in Hogwarts?

[vital dune]

Gemini deepsearch concluded that they messed up big time and that pathtracing may solve this ;-;

[grave bluff]

Yes. It did fix for that game.

[tardy lintel]

Ok they just released patch 1.02 after which my fps has gone down to 60s when it was 100 plus using the same settings dlss Q and frame gen.Any one else having issues ?

[peak oracle]

ny patch notes?

[grizzled flicker]

See my message above

[peak oracle]

nm

[thorn wigeon]

And there was Lost Soul Aside, which is also UE4, and that commandline worked there

[inner seal]

is more or less the same yeah

[inner seal]

is possible they fixed the bug that caused some lighting pass to not render above certain resolution, what's your resolution

[peak oracle]

it wasnt in the patch notes or known issues.. i sent a bug report on that half hour ago lol

[inner seal]

well, they did mention render pipeline issues in notes

[tough terrace]

is AO still kaputt with vertical res above 49% ?

[peak oracle]

isnt that just for gpu crashes?

[inner seal]

maybe, maybe not

might have been a cause of crashing

or related

[tardy lintel]

5120x1440

[inner seal]

my theory wouldnt hold up then

unless there is also a horizontal constraint we dont know about

[rigid salmon]

is resolution bug fixed ?

[kindred mantle]

not fixed

[peak oracle]

tested?

[kindred mantle]

yes

[inner seal]

rip

[wise narwhal]

hopefully they'll get it into the next patch

https://007firstlight-support.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/36203682496413-007-First-Light-Known-Issues#outstanding-issues

ugh it's not even on their known issues list

💀

[frozen nebula]

New patch just dropped today.

[wise narwhal]

yea i saw that

but it didn't address the AO problem

[wise narwhal]

so I'm saying hopefully it's in the next patch, but then saw it's not even on their radar

[pure gust]

Message over 2000 characters (3834/2000)

[frozen nebula]

Yeah

[cedar crane]

lol, their known issues page isn't even up to date

[zinc fossil]

I got a fix for DLSSG

it was really just a flag

I'll try to clean up as fast as possible

well actually the HUD is still ghosting but the warbling around the character and stuff seems to at least be cleaner

[wise narwhal]

Oh yea? What's the fix?

[vital dune]

For real ? You would save my life

[zinc fossil]

yea it's not perfect but it seems the ui and hudless color tags are dirty so if you supress them the disocclusion artifacts around the character disappear

but yea HUD is still ghosting a bit but way less annoying than before I'd say

I'll clean up a bit and I'll offer lazorr/musa the code

it's purely AI slop so maybe they can actually do a clean fix haha

[inner seal]

I mostly AI slop these days 🤷

work on waaaaaaay too many different things

[vital dune]

so its kinda similar to the other games that had this problem ?

[inner seal]

sounds like it

[zinc fossil]

yea

[vital dune]

ive been researching this but my IA's are so dumb xD

[zinc fossil]

pretty much

[inner seal]

are you intercepting streamline call or

[wise narwhal]

Honestly i can deal with a shitty HUD

not ideal but fine

can this be built into the reno mod?

[zinc fossil]

yea

[zinc fossil]

yes already doing that

[wise narwhal]

🙏

[inner seal]

unsure if Musa would want to integrate streamline interception but I have no idea really, make sure you isolate the code into a separate hpp

[zinc fossil]

yea it's in a dlss.hpp

[inner seal]

I would also test it alongside stuff like display commander or relimiter

as those generally hook all the streamline stuff

[zinc fossil]

good idea I'll try display commander quickly and I'll post the addon here afterwards to test

ye looks good

**DLSS FG Fix - EXPERIMENTAL **

• Adds DLSS FG setting to reduce disocclusion/ghosting artifacting with DLSS FG and HDR enabled.

testing it in q-lab right now and it's night and day difference for me

[inner seal]

I love this whole a few people contributing different things thing

[zinc fossil]

hell yea me too

maybe you can help me out quickly on how I can do a pull request on just the one folder to musas repo

I have a lot of mods that aren't in shortfuse's repo yet and I don't want to push that to musa lol

[vital dune]

Thank you so much, had a lot of issues at first but now its up and running ❤️

[zinc fossil]

what kinds of issues?

[inner seal]

did you start on musas fork or copy from it

[zinc fossil]

I copied

[inner seal]

I would just copy the 007 folder back into musas, make a branch, commit and push, and it should fork for you, and then in github you can go to musas repo and PR

[vital dune]

I uninstalled optiscaler, installed your mod and activating framegen simply disappeared from the menu, so i reinstalled it, it came back but then i crashed soon as i was in game

and now everything works

[zinc fossil]

so I clone/fork musa's repo, copy the fix into there and do a pull request?

ah no I misread

I'll have a look, thanks!

[zinc fossil]

uuuh so how are you running it right now?

with or without opti?

[inner seal]

yeah you can clone musas and copy into it, branch and fork from there

[vital dune]

with opti now don't want to break things again

[zinc fossil]

okay let's hope it doesn't break for others. I didn't have that behaviour at all

[vital dune]

really have no clue why it happened

[thorn wigeon]

Does it turn off and on in real time?

[zinc fossil]

yea you can toggle it in real time

at least for me it works

[finite inlet]

I just try it and it works insane 🙂

[grave bluff]

Damn a casual conversation about FG HDR issues eventually ended upto a fix. This community is insane haha.

[thorn wigeon]

Yes, the glitches seen in these screenshots disappear when I enable it. So yes, you've succeeded. It works!

[grave bluff]

I can confirm this fixed the warping issue completely.

Damn now I can use 6x MFG and hit 300+ on my Samsung OLED G6 with cleaner picture quality.

[remote idol]

niiiiiice man

[silent epoch]

this is all ive been waiting for

[vital dune]

Are there in game recommended settings to disable when using renoDX ?

[wise narwhal]

I'd probably turn bloom down in reno since i saw in the screenshots/videos that bloom is jacked up to level 9000

[vital dune]

Right thank you something was bothering me couldn't find what

[wise narwhal]

I haven't gotten the game yet though so I'm just going off what i've seen from others

[vital dune]

you are right it's crazy strong it blends everything

[cyan igloo]

perfect, thank you! the game looks so much better now with 49% res scale as well with preset L

[zinc fossil]

alright @wicked wasp I opened a pull request with the dlss fg workaround/fix. Seems to be working

[wicked wasp]

Oh shit

What did you change

[zinc fossil]

I added a setting to intercept streamline hud colors input and suppress it

seems to fix ghosting/warping with FG enabled

[mighty wind]

Well done man. This is big!

[zinc fossil]

like in other unreal engine games

[mighty wind]

No more being CPU limited, and now reflex can work again

[wicked wasp]

Ah the ui alpha thing

[zinc fossil]

yea

I don't know if it's the cleanest way to do it but seems to work so

[wicked wasp]

Ideally the scene and ui could write to different textures and then you blend them in a final shader with the ui alpha being passed to that final alpha

And then streamline reads that

[zinc fossil]

yea that would solve the hud ghosting probably

[wicked wasp]

The final scene shaders are the tonemap and optionally the extra post processing shader

So we know that any other shaders that draw after tonemap would be ui except that one post process shader

[zinc fossil]

do you have the necessary shaders in the repo or would we have to find them first?

[wicked wasp]

Ya the shaders with postchainmerge are the tonemap shaders

And the one with film grain and chromatic aberration in the name is that final post process shader that draws depending on your settings

Anything else that draws after that would be ui

[zinc fossil]

ok so then in theory we could implement it properly huh

[wicked wasp]

Ya

Pumbo has a custom ui blending thing in his mods

Idk how much harder it is in dx12 vs dx11

But he basically just makes it so you add the final scene shaders to a list and then it knows anything else that draws is ui

[zinc fossil]

yea probably not doable by me anyway but I understand the concept I think

[inner seal]

part of me is curious if this could be generically implemented via expanding integrated dlssfix

and just make it inherent to all reno games with dlss if they opt in

and you said up the required shaders

[zinc fossil]

that'd be insane

yea in theory locate all shaders, write the textures into a list and let dlssfix handle it

[inner seal]

that would be pretty damn awesome, FG fix alongside reno, I am sure SF could say if its feasible or not, or the right approach

[grizzled flicker]

This community is one of the best that everyone can find

[mighty wind]

FG simply wont engage for me

Oh actually it does, but it doesn't like you forcing preset B

Once I removed that override, it works

[cloud kraken]

Hey all. Does the mod still work with the new patch?

[zinc fossil]

yea no problems at all

[inner seal]

both rendering fixes still work?

[zinc fossil]

as far as I can tell yea

[inner seal]

noice

[zinc fossil]

I can check afterwards again to be sure but I didn't notice any noise anywhere

[inner seal]

not CD part 2 where all the shaders change every patch

[cloud kraken]

Can someone explain me what causes the weird shadows around bond in some scenes? Especially with water etc. You see shadows disappear on static objects if bonds head is in the way

I only have dlss on but without it the same issue is there

[inner seal]

screen space

[zinc fossil]

probably screen space reflections and AO

[inner seal]

contact shadows

[zinc fossil]

RT/PT patch will fix that issue for like 50% performance drop

🙂

[cloud kraken]

Yeah that’s coming August right? By then I finished the game haha

[zinc fossil]

exactly haha

[cloud kraken]

lol I need to accept the privacy policy again

[vital dune]

Is it better to use Relimiter to cap dynamic FG + vrr ?

[inner seal]

you would have to ask rank about dynamic FG stuff, but there is a bunch of dynamic FG stuff in relimiter that tries to get it to optimize to cap better

[remote idol]

if it's the in game dynamic fg then you should be fine just capping it using the normal fps cap
dont use the dmfg section as that's more for driver level overrides
need to take a look at that again some time

[vital dune]

okayy thanks 🙂

[tough terrace]

August ? damn.... I thought I could wait for RT/PT to drop before really starting the game

[zenith abyss]

Pretty sure they just said summer in general

But 4.5 rr drops in August so I feel like people will just want to wait for that to drop to experience path tracing in the best possible way

[tough terrace]

right forgot about that.
actually I would be happy already if the AO bug is fixed, its so blurry with the 49% res workaround

[inner seal]

I mean its blurry at 100% cause their textures are like 256x256

[proper robin]

The pined last Reno DLSS FG Fix - EXPERIMENTAL not working for me : the game don't launch (shader cache deleted) if i go back to the previous one all is ok...

[mighty wind]

What bloom setting are you guys using?

[inner seal]

50

[mighty wind]

Is 100 really the vanilla value? It's nuts

[mighty wind]

I dont hold a huge amount of hope on the PT. They haven't filled me with confidence

Also, the textures will likely still be superbad

[zenith abyss]

same considering how the game already performs

cant be worse than directive 8020 pt tho

[mighty wind]

Ever feel like you've accidently got the game on ultra low settings?

[primal stirrup]

Yes.

It has to be a texture streaming issue, because sometimes the game does actually look quite good.

but then 10 seconds later you go through a door and suddenly it looks like ass

[mighty wind]

The whole ||ship|| area looks terrible to me. Blurry, low res smudge

[mighty wind]

Did disabling reflex help you at all?

With CPU performance and load times

[zinc fossil]

do you have optiscaler or anything else installed?

[frank violet]

with this 49% is no longer needed?

game had update but HDR togglestill not fixed hahahahhaha

[zinc fossil]

it's still needed but frame gen should look better

[proper robin]

Only Hud toggler 1.5 addon for black bars in ultrawide. But without it it's the same. I use NVPI-R for 49% of native.

[remote idol]

i've not tried it yet man but does your version contain the fixes lazorr added too?

[zinc fossil]

yes

[remote idol]

legend

time to 6x fg this bad boy

[remote idol]

you've totally nailed this man
6x fg and not a ghost in sight

[zinc fossil]

thanks man but I don't like to take credit it's really just AI slop hahah

and it's technically more of a workaround rather than an actual fix

[remote idol]

yeah but you had to tell the ai what to do

a workaround is a fix if it fixes it 😄

[primal stirrup]

Load times, actually, yes. CPU performance hard to know, because I was at the end of the game. BUT the Lab didn't dip anywhere after removing Relimiter.

[weary tusk]

Wait what am I dreaming fg + hdr is fixed /better.....

That's insane

Works with rtss frame capping with reflex?

[zinc fossil]

I assume it does ^^ I'm using DC right now but not really applying any cap

[weary tusk]

For what you're using display commander then?

But amazing work gonna test framegen, probably still need the game to be at 49% I suppose on 4k?

[zinc fossil]

I just used it to test any interactions with reflex/streamline and forgot about it afterwards so not much tbh

yea game still need 49% res 🙁

[weary tusk]

Okay display commander would work the same for reflex capping or relimiter then rtss, but thanks for the amazing work.

Is all framegen stuff fixed like the UI text etc?

[zinc fossil]

well no it's more of a workaround. the annoying warping around character and stuff should be gone but there is still slight HUD ghosting

not really noticable though tbh

[vital dune]

Does anyone have this bug when launching/loading the game where you get 80 consistent fps and it infinite load ?

[cerulean bramble]

Really appreciate this as Xefg wasn't working great for me with optiscaler (poor frame pacing/stutter even with fakenvapi removed). Crazy that the game shipped like this.

Tested this fix/workaround though and it works perfectly 👍

[small umbra]

Guys, off-topic question:

Are they going to release a RenoDX mod for the Onimusha demo?

[zinc fossil]

I'm sure someone will

[small umbra]

I’d like to know why companies don’t release games with proper native HDR. Only a few games seem to have it.

[prime moon]

there's already some callback to dlsshook to modify dlssfg setting. you don't have to rewrite the reshade order like dlssfix. all that code can be behind a boolean. but you can already get a callback for what the game tells DLSS is motion vector and primary render, etc

[inner seal]

I guess the issue is properly separating UI in this case, and a lot of games tend to fail on that front

[prime moon]

which reminds me, i didn't really push the dlssfix causing crashing with steam overlays

[prime moon]

you can do a lot of heuristics but devkit, i feel, is powerful enough with MCP

the snapshot itself is enough for a generic LLM to understand render order and UI

[inner seal]

I'm just not sure of the integration points to pass the correct data to streamline

[prime moon]

https://github.com/clshortfuse/renodx/blob/4c0bb97319ae0ecd5071101f0b967488828dd413/src/utils/dlss/streamline_v2.hpp#L803 if you want to get UI+Alpha from a game that uses streamline

UI+Alpha isn't needed for DLSS (super sampling) though

and games, like starfield, will do dlss and stuff and then do a fullscreen effect like grain, so even if you had some "this is fullscreen", you can't exactly know if something is an effect intended for the render or a UI without digging deeper

because any heuristics could think the shader that adds grain to a render is a "UI shader"

because grain is output+result-from-sampling-texture-on-top. and that's literally how UI works

[inner seal]

I guess in my head I was thinking there could be a consistent pattern we could implement to ensure UI + alpha is passed to streamline since UI is already handled by reno

[prime moon]

if you're modding, it's just whenever you do RenderIntermediatePass

but for some automated thing, that's very different

you technically can "easily" do it now, if you have the texture that does RenderIntermediatePass write to a new RTV1 and not just the RTV0 without the scaling

then you can get that texture as an SRV during SwapchainProxyPass and instead-of/before drawing to swapchain, you do the streamline commands

that isn't the hard part for DLSSFG. it's motion vectors and camera matrixes

[inner seal]

my assumption is if TagUIColorAlpha 0 more or less fixes artifacts, the problem is the UI + alpha input

[zinc fossil]

for this game specifically it doesn't send UI alpha to streamline btw.

it only feeds hudless color but ui alpha is empty

[prime moon]

empty or garbage though?

[zinc fossil]

it's empty

[inner seal]

the pattern you mentioned though sounds like what I was thinking could be done consistently, but you make a good point about motion vectors etc, probably only fixes a subclass of issues but UI is often broken

[prime moon]

usually it's only an issue with things that are drawn ontop of things it doesn't expect to have that alpha/color, like after i bypass reshade from DLSSFG, the reshade UI will wobbly with the motion of the game render (eg: characters moving shift the Reshade text characters)

it could also be grain or dither, because that noise doesn't get alpha. i'm not sure how DLSSFG would treat grain/noise

you should probably alpha tag grain

Values provided must respect the standard blending formula: Final_Color.RGB = UI.RGB + (1 - UI.Alpha) x Hudless.RGB

i don't think that means sense in HDR?

[inner seal]

perhaps will fiddle around with this over the weekend, it seems like developing a pattern for mods to do it would be useful

[weary tusk]

Do I need to delete shader cache in AppData when I update to new renoxd build with the dlss game gen fix

[zinc fossil]

I didn't

[weary tusk]

Okay good to know thanks!

[weary tusk]

Works amazingly, the artifacts are for like 90% gone!!

It's now playable with framegen and hdr

Thanks

More people have this,

Im running 49% 4k preset m

Rtx 4090

Framegen isn't adding that much fps as nornal, went from 110 fps now to 150 fps inside.

Framegen would nornal give way more fps? Atleast from 110 to 180?

[twin bolt]

I can't get the game to start with the fg fix, the previous reflection version works still

[weary tusk]

Black screen?

[twin bolt]

press play in steam, nothing happens and then button goes back to play

thought it could be a virus quarantine but there was nothing there

[blissful ledge]

verify game files?

[twin bolt]

i did, it was fine

it's all good, the older one works just fine

[rough parcel]

I knew I would be punished for saving $15 and getting it on MS App store instead of Steam 🙁

[empty bear]

In my experience since FG began, nope, and many benchmark websites mirror it. Just because it says FGx2 doesn't mean every pipeline can keep up with it. (Also why diminishing returns seem so heavy after FG 3-4x+.)

[faint scaffold]

it really removed the ghosting, the sense of fluidity feels much better, and it seems to have removed a lot of the softness added by frame generation. this fix is amazing, thanks alot!

[misty dagger]

wow didnt know a tool like that existed. Many thanks for sharing. I have just been using Chatgpt or Claude to give me figures for my various monitors LG G5, G4 and laptop hdr

[grizzled flicker]

@zinc fossil does your your addon include the @inner seal optimized settings for shadows denoise?

[tender crag]

can somebody get me up to date on the 49% thingie?

whats the setup for best quality atm?

[zinc fossil]

yes

[hollow trench]

Under pinned messages, there are 3 files linked: musa's, lazorr's reflection fix, hartapfel's dlss fg fix

Do we install all (if we want all fixes)? Or do the later files contain the previous fixes as well?

[mighty wind]

Internal render resolutions over 1080p break multiple graphical functions, most notably AO. Shimmering galore.

So at 4K, changing render res to 49% (I just use the Nvidia App, others use Optiscaler or RHI) keeps you just below 1080p vertical, which prevents the problem

I'd also suggest using DLSS preset M

Then install RenoDX. I turn down bloom to 50 because default bloom is wild

For some reasons this game also hates framerate limiters. Just don't bother, load times go through the roof and injected reflex causes poor cpu performance

So I'd suggest using framegen (which is now viable with latest RenoDX version, previously it didn't work well with HDR) and letting the native reflex take care of your frame cap

Basically the game is completely fucked

But RenoDX saved it

Sadly it can't save the PS3 textures

Oh I also found if I force FG preset B, then FG won't engage at all in game

[grizzled flicker]

If I've understood, 49% render res is only if you play @4k resolution, isn't it?

[mighty wind]

Yes

If you're at 1440p, DLSS Quality works

[mighty wind]

Latest contains everything you need

[grizzled flicker]

Question: if I use RHI, which version will be downloaded into the game? The latest?

[weak silo]

Do we keep vsync on in nvidia app for this game or should it be off cause load times r long and someone mentioned frame rate should be unlocked and iam playing with gsync on

[rustic ether]

Saying they are working on a FG fix

[thorn wigeon]

tell them how to fix it

[rustic ether]

Bruh i dont know how

[tender crag]

thanks for the rundown, but I am using Reflex limiter from RTSS and it seems to be fine

what issue you are seeing with limiter?

[mighty wind]

Admittedly I only tried with DC, but with it (even uncapped) I was getting like 70fps in dense crowd areas. Without, 120fps+

Having reflex enabled seemed to gimp either CPU performance or GPU util

Confirmed by a few others

Also much longer load times

[grizzled flicker]

The support team answer my question about low texture loading in Mauritania level. Anyone noticed improvement in that level after patch 1.2.0? (The washing machine for example)

[tender crag]

maybe PC issue 😄

I have 240 locked all the time

with the FG

4k maxed preset M

[mighty wind]

This was without FG

[tender crag]

but I am on 5090 and 9850x3d fully oced

I don't play without FG

[mighty wind]

FG natively enables reflex in game

I'm on a 5090, 9800x3d

[mighty wind]

Well, FG was busted with HDR until the latest RenoDX....

And wherever possible I play without FG. Low latency and artifacting is king

[tender crag]

yeh but this is rpg single player game

who cares about little latency lol

[mighty wind]

But yes FG in this game is fine now

[tender crag]

its not like its comp fps

😛

[mighty wind]

Yes but FG used to be fucked

[tender crag]

yeh Ig

clocks are pretty great on this game

not that demanding game

[mighty wind]

Not demanding at all, just quite broken

[tender crag]

its bit annoying that its so broken ye

was thinking of refund

[mighty wind]

637W GPU draw 😊

[tender crag]

its little 😛

I can push it to 800w

[mighty wind]

Think I'm chilling at like 305

[tender crag]

but I didnt bother

I was just testing

3300mhz gpu clock

using water block so not that problematic

[charred grove]

DLAA is still busted at 4K I assume?

[tender crag]

think ye

[grizzled flicker]

https://youtu.be/IXVPwiccY8I?is=QoZ6RFI6Qj6WImiU

[mighty wind]

Game is carried pretty hard by the IP

[kindred mantle]

They mention the performance difference between DLSS and FSR at 1440p, but not the broken rendering. And the performance difference is almost entirely due to the broken rendering

[weary tusk]

I know but I seen some people getting way more fps almost double, I know it's not exactly x2 framegen also costs base fps. But going from 110 to 160 seems a little off to me

[quartz geyser]

why busted?

[unborn wyvern]

fg still crashing when i enable hdr so i just leave it off it's not worth it the hassle

[inner seal]

anything 1080p or above internal is broken

[wise narwhal]

Not sure how they're missing this

[wise narwhal]

Probably because Alex isn't part of this one lol

[zinc fossil]

I think it's pretty fun to play and has a nice story, just unfortunate technical issues

[quartz geyser]

what do you mean anything though? I played with both DLAA and 49% scaling in 4k, didn't find anything I could spot

I wonder what is actually broken and how easy it is to spot (or resolution drop is more visible than the broken stuff)

[inner seal]

missing lighting, broken AO, severe haloing around characters, tile artifacts on foliage and flickering

pretty bad

[quartz geyser]

🤔

DF didn't spot it in their video

[inner seal]

the only thing without the problem is DLSS below 1080, every other configuration of the game is broken

DF also isnt really a respectable or accurate source most of the time

[quartz geyser]

Wow 😄

[smoky lava]

To be fair, at native render it’s not as bad

Still very noticeable

But not as bad

And the rest of the modes they were looking at in that video were sub 1080p I think?

But they probably shouldve investigated further why dlss quality basicaly doesnt scale from native

[quartz geyser]

Any scenario I can check to compare? I played with DLAA for like 90% of the game and didn't see any issues, switching to 49% DLSS didn't look any different

[smoky lava]

Foliage

Foliage anywhere

Very noticeable

[quartz geyser]

Let me take a look, thx

[inner seal]

also a thick outline around characters in certain scenes, a gap in the lighting more or less

[smoky lava]

Yea, that’s more easily overlooked tho

I think thats what was causing some pretty bad ghosting as well

Okay that video is infuriating to watch lmao

Dlss sub 1080p is the only thing working properly, they reached the complete opposite conclusion.

I can’t

[inner seal]

any video with that guy is especially not good

[zinc fossil]

Oliver?

or which one

[quartz geyser]

DLSS 49% vs DLAA

[inner seal]

#1499664181170012181 message this one

[zinc fossil]

yea I meant which guy

[inner seal]

the older dude

[zinc fossil]

oh

I always kinda liked his takes, seemed passionate about gaming at least

[quartz geyser]

Could anyone please help me spot what's wrong with the right image?

Foliage seems fine

[zinc fossil]

it's more noticeable during gameplay especially boiling and stuff

[inner seal]

I am not sure in that particular scene, but it looks like this

[zinc fossil]

boiling/flickering type thing

[inner seal]

probably depends on what is used in certain places

theres a video above somewhere showing as well

[quartz geyser]

Could it be the same as FG+HDR? A lot of people said they had issues with ghosting and such, but I had none. I'm walking around the place and can't find a single issue with lighting, AO or anything

[inner seal]

#1499664181170012181 message

FG and HDR is guaranteed to have problems, you just dont notice them with motion blur etc perhaps

[kindred mantle]

#1499664181170012181 message here's the video showing the flickering

Maybe it's less noticeable at 4k DLAA idk, but the bug is still present

[quartz geyser]

let me check the same exact spot

[quartz geyser]

Found it, damn it's almost impossible to spot with 4k DLAA

[quartz geyser]

I wonder what people call issues here. When you're moving camera very very fast with a mouse and it looks like it has motion blur?

Bcs just checked, 0 issues there

But 49% DLSS really looks like a fool-proof solution for this game, will stick to it. Definitive upgrate over DLSS and maybe slight upgrade over DLAA

[zinc fossil]

when you move the camera very fast it's like the whole head of james disappears

also random artifacts across the whole scene

looks like hard lines

not just motion blur

motion blur likely helps mask it even

[zinc fossil]

this is a good example

if you're using the latest experimental that shouldn't happen though

[kindred mantle]

The FG issue is really easy to see at low fps, cap your FPS to like 30 and toggle the FG fix on and off in reno

[quartz geyser]

ah damn, I might have had FG fix enabled. btw who would play at 30 fps + FG?

[zinc fossil]

no one but you would easily see it like that

it's also noticable at high fps of course but harder to see the exact artifacts since the frames disappear much faster

[quartz geyser]

Thanks for the explanation guys!

[serene yoke]

He likes his motion blur I do know that

[mighty wind]

Anybody ever seen busted AI where the dudes just kinda stand there or follow you without attacking?

It feels janky AF during heavy combat areas

Like pacifist mode

[zinc fossil]

lmao

no but I do think the AI takes too long to detect

feels weird sneaking right in front of them and they kinda ignore you