pzwiki_editing

[proud cobalt]

CDs (plural) and CD's (possessive) have two different meanings

CDs is usually correct, would only use possessive if it was something like "The CD's back cover"

[robust latch]

I like the red-blue-black contrast, especially for editing than reading.

gotchu

[lucid junco]

As I said - citizen on mobile is good. Menus are a great way to fit all necessary info into a small phone screen. But I think that its redundant on the pc since you have so much space to put info on screen without making it look bad

And at the same time, Vector is perfectly centralized, making it easier to read and work with

(Thats why I dont like MonoBook)

@proud cobalt What do we do with all of the items w/o location table?

[proud cobalt]

Specify how they can be found in other ways such as zombie outfits

[lucid junco]

Thats for clothes right?

[proud cobalt]

Citizen is very customisable on a user basis, which align with its dark mode and mobile design made it a very good option

[proud cobalt]

Yeah clothes

For that specific example

Foraging for some clothes too. I probably won't be updating the location table output until B42

[lucid junco]

There are also some items that lack location though

Like https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Football_(throwable)

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Crayfish

Maybe they dont spawn in the world naturally, but I have no idea how to check this

[digital helm]

Seems this can only be find while foraging - Rare trash item

[digital helm]

I couldn't find anything for this. So I'd just say something like "It can only obtained by spawning in with debug or server commands"

[proud cobalt]

Add images from the gallery also in infobox as alternative images for the locations. can't really be automated.

[proud cobalt]

Starting replacement of models on item pages only. This should be the bulk of usage

[robust latch]

Am I going crazy or all the infobox's have shrunk in size just slightly?

[digital helm]

Not going crazy #pzwiki_editing message

Seems to be a bit smaller on vector22, so let me know if it's too small

[lucid junco]

{{Error|translation}}
@proud cobalt Should I touch the "translation" part in this case?

Seems like a displaytitle

[digital helm]

No, translation is the conditional key, so it determines the output. Leave everything next to #default untouched when translating templates

[proud cobalt]

Yep what Vail said

[digital helm]

Repairable column added to weapons tables https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Weapons#Axes

[proud cobalt]

Axe model needs to be replaced please. Protected page

https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Template:Infobox&action=edit

[proud cobalt]

Looks good

[digital helm]

What do people think of adding 'sticky columns', so when you scroll horizontally for some of the wide tables, it doesn't hide the first column. This is the same effect as something like 'freeze panes' in excel.

This is an example of the weapons table. The icon remains on screen, and the other columns slide behind it.

I'd like to explore this for table headings too, but haven't look into it yet.

Credit for the idea to @proud cobalt

[proud cobalt]

Table headings is also doable from what I've seen. I just had the idea Vail made it possible 😄 I figure this could help our main item tables width issue.

[lucid junco]

Not just slightly

text size is definetly smaller

[robust latch]

Yeah I think the old size was better

There is this one thing I want to share about CDs, I didn't know at the time that https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Premium_Technologies_Radio is capable of playing CDs, therefore the first overview sentence is as such: A CD is used in conjunction with a ValuTech PortaDisc.. Should we change it to A CD is used in conjunction with a ValuTech PortaDisc or Premium Technologies Radio.?

[lucid junco]

Is "Months available" used to indicate in which month item can be found?

[robust latch]

That's how I translated it

[lucid junco]

@languid kayak How do we deal with gender of words?😅

[languid kayak]

well, for now I'm improwizing 😄

but tbf, I can't get my head around catching on that. I used what the forms in Polish are.

as in multiple suffixes in parantheses

[robust latch]

✨ O ✨

[languid kayak]

if that's the case, {{future}} should do too (done btw)

[languid kayak]

done, thanks!

[languid kayak]

Hm, I'm actually hesistant now, maybe we should have a page for it? Sounds it's just missing logo due to angle (like majority of stuff we have): https://map.projectzomboid.com/#12684x2281

[naive imp]

I have a plan for buildings like this but for now I think we should be consistent and not have a page for it

It will be documented in the future I just have other stuff to handle that's more pressing atm

[languid kayak]

ah, so there's more like that? So keep it in the list, but remove the actual link?

[naive imp]

Yes, keep the building itself in the list just get rid of the red link

My plan is to have all the buildings even the ones without signage documented and listed but for now the named locations take precedent

The Unnamed ones will be listed and documented in the future, I've got a basic proof of concept but it's not ready for a sandbox in my userspace yet

Just not at that stage if development yet but it is planned

[languid kayak]

makes sense

btw @proud cobalt you might want to update links on your usage page 😛 https://pzwiki.net/wiki/User:Calvy There are two linking to https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Category:Articles_requiring_editor_verification&action=edit&redlink=1 that are no longer relevant.

Also, I know you're busy elsewhere, but I've been thinking of at least moving https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Tiles to Furniture and going back to https://pzwiki.net/wiki/PZwiki:Project_Seat_Yourself_Furniture a little more.

BTW, the irony is, pretty much all the quick links that are most prominent on main page need attention

I've been thinking of https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Locations now that https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Knox_Country is improved, though it's supposed to cover more (tutorial, challenges, businesses (that page lost interest as of lately), knox county (I think we removed links to it lately too)).

Other than that, Crafting and Items and Tiles Furniture could use autogenerating and Vehicles could use some tweaks while when modding page is fine, the whole modding needs much love 😄

[digital helm]

I've been spending a lot of time getting items autogenerated. Progress has slowed as I've been rewriting a lot of stuff. I currently have weapons and clothing in a usable state. Just need to set up a framework for generating those list tables.

After I'm done with items I'll be moving to vehicles. There's a lot of technical details that are missing for them.

Crafting will wait for b42 for obvious reasons. And tiles is a challenge to autogenerate. @proud cobalt the parsed tile data you got, is that only for b41 or did you get the tool to parse it yourself?

[proud cobalt]

I did notice the redlinks, just haven't fixed them yet 😄

Happy for you to move things and come back to SYF

[proud cobalt]

I was also thinking about that. Been spending some time looking at it lately. The quick links and the links underneath.

[proud cobalt]

Nah the guy couldnt find the script he used for it. And i couldn't figure out how to parse it. No encoding or lack of encoding worked. I think its some kind of binary file but I just couldn't parse it. I would love to figure it out

So only B41 stats

[digital helm]

I looked into it a little bit too, and couldn't get any useful output

[lucid junco]

Also, is it important to keep the word length in the tables roughly the same?

[proud cobalt]

Just thought of a simple solution for this. Will implement when I can. Should fix all the subpage headers

[languid kayak]

Tiles (the page themselves), are mostly done (just require human improvements), just missing a few from https://pzwiki.net/wiki/PZwiki:Tile_list and https://pzwiki.net/wiki/PZwiki:Item_list#Furniture for some reason. The tile page is what should be rewerittern to lower the scope to just the movables 😄

[languid kayak]

yeah, getting in the back of my head 😄 Will see how much time I'll scrape, but this week might be busy for me

[proud cobalt]

Haha fixed it now so no redlink.

[lucid junco]

Or can I make them a bit longer for translation's sake

[robust latch]

Glorious news indeed, thanks bruv!

[digital helm]

Being roughly the same size is nice, but I think the translation should be the priority

[digital helm]

I've had SYF in the back of my head for years, long before you took over from me 😄

never got back there though

[digital helm]

They probably have different names in the tiledef and were later changed in the translation file to something else.
Tile list only looks at the translations, of which the keys are only the previous tile names. And since the movables as items is only new it likely copies the tile translation

[proud cobalt]

All model redirects have now been checked for usage and marked for Deletion if not used. There's a couple that are using old names as their new names, so just be careful when mass deleting. If whoever deletes could make the same changes to the model table that would be appreciated.
@digital helm @languid kayak

[lucid junco]

Aight then

I think Im finished with that

[proud cobalt]

Great, if you want to send it over I'll have a look at it then I can start working on getting the articles up

[proud cobalt]

Looks good for the templates, it's just this part that needs translating

    "intro_template": "'''{lowercase_name}''' is an [[Item/en|Item|]] in [[Project Zomboid/en|Project Zomboid]].",
    "headers": {
        "Usage": "Usage",
        "Condition": "Condition",
        "Location": "Location",
        "Code": "Code",
        "See also": "See also",
        "Consumable properties": "Consumable properties",
        "Repairing": "Repairing",
    },
    "help_text": "Help PZwiki by adding information to this section.",
    "translate_reason": "Translated using game translation files.",
    "condition_categories": ["Weapon", "Tool / Weapon"],
    "condition_text": (
        "The {name} has a maximum condition of {condition_max}. Its rate of degradation is influenced by the {skill_type} and [[maintenance]] [[skill]]s. The chance of losing [[durability]] can be simplified to the following formula: <code>1 in (35 + maintenanceMod &times; 2)</code>. Where \"maintenanceMod\" is calculated using the {skill_type} and maintenance skills.<br>"
        "\n\n{{{{Durability weapon|{condition_lower_chance}|{condition_max}|skill={skill_type}}}}}"
    ),
},

Change /en to /ru, then translate the right side only for the headers section. Then for the other parts translate the sentences as if it was a wiki article. If you look at the polish example underneath you can see which parts need to stay English.

If you want to leave the categories section I can fill that in

[lucid junco]

Oh, the one above the example?

I thought it was an example

[proud cobalt]

Yeah the English one is the one that needs to be translated. The polish one is the example

[proud cobalt]

Looks perfect! Thanks I'll get that started when I can

[languid kayak]

The project's cursed ❌

[languid kayak]

I deleted some marked to deletion yesterday, but probably best for @digital helm to check 😄

[proud cobalt]

Hey @lucid junco i forgot to add the translation for distribution table header. Is this a reasonable translation?

Axe is the item Id so has to stay English for right now. Would this come before or after the word

[lucid junco]

Yep, sounds right to me

And its after the word

[proud cobalt]

Google translate to the rescue 😄

[proud cobalt]

Anything look obviously wrong? @lucid junco
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/User:Calvy/sandbox2/ru

[lucid junco]

Yes, Im a bit bad at typing as it seems

[lucid junco]

Maybe I should use [[Навыки|навыков]] instead of [[навык]]ов so it is all red as a link

or rather Skill/ru

[lucid junco]

We need to change the infobox though

And also its still Распределение Axe

(and also made worse by how bad russian wiki translation is)

Oh waut

[proud cobalt]

So [[Skill/ru|навыков]]?

[lucid junco]

Wait

[lucid junco]

Yes, its less susceptible to the translation changes in the future

And translation changes there will be, since at least infobox is a bit rubbish

I forgot to fix the typo

[proud cobalt]

Feel free to update infobox
https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Template:Infobox_item/ru&action=edit

[proud cobalt]

Sorry which is the typo, can you copy paste it

[lucid junco]

Ive already fixed it, thats why Im uploading it the third time

Its fixed in that file

[proud cobalt]

Updated
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/User:Calvy/sandbox2/ru

[lucid junco]

Im curious if there is any way to make it топоры instead of Топоры when using the {skill_type}

[proud cobalt]

You'll have to help me here, is it a capitalisation difference?

[lucid junco]

It should be lower case in there

Rules in russian and english about capitalisation is the same, you cant use uppercase letters if it isnt a name

[proud cobalt]

Oh yes i can fix this

Like this?
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/User:Calvy/sandbox2/ru

[lucid junco]

Is there also a way to make it redirect to Состояние aka Condition/ru, instead of just Condition page?

[lucid junco]

Yep

[proud cobalt]

Yep, how's this [[Condition/ru|Состояние]]

[lucid junco]

Oh, I used [[Condition#Chances/ru|Состояние]]

And hoped for it to magically work out

[proud cobalt]

Chances will have to be a header on the russian page

Written in English

So probably better not to use # until the page is made

[lucid junco]

Thats right

This part is left

Wait, why is it Axe Распределения now

[proud cobalt]

Fixing is wip and cant be translated yet

[proud cobalt]

What is it supposed to be

[lucid junco]

Распределение Axe

Or Распределение топор in the full-ish translation

Or Распределение топора since russian loves using declensions

[proud cobalt]

Axe has to stay English currently as its the item_id

So this should be updated now

https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=User:Calvy/sandbox2/ru

[lucid junco]

Its all good now, infobox aside

[proud cobalt]

Great, infobox can always be updated on the template anyway, so ill look at starting this overnight

Thanks so much for your help

[lucid junco]

You are welcome

[lucid junco]

It is kinda out of date, since it lacks
Equipped Two-handed

And tags

And Metal quantity

And possibly more

Though I think this can be updated with help of others

[proud cobalt]

Regarding location tables. Thinking about @robust latch's feedback for them being in English. How do we feel about having room names formatted like this

Translated_name (roomid)
Wire Factory (wirefactory)

This would require a list of translations for every single room name, and would be added at the script level.

Also @languid kayak @digital helm

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Room_definitions_and_item_spawns

(Posted in the wrong channel before)
This could also be done for location table headers? Possibly.

[languid kayak]

that could work

[lucid junco]

Yeah, I think russian version is missing...

Some.. things

67% of English infobox

@proud cobalt Unless Im missing something or some parts are not to be translated therefore missing

(Or others idk who to ping apart from you)

[robust latch]

Just copy paste the translation guide and start translating from there

[lucid junco]

Where can I find it?

[robust latch]

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Template:Infobox_item#How_to_translate

[lucid junco]

Wait, Im a bit confused now

[robust latch]

How so

[lucid junco]

|equipped= is used to show if the weapon is one handed or dual, right?

[robust latch]

Not sure

Probably

The template is so big and full of arguments that you will occasionally have to make sure the infobox has the same translations with the game itself

|equipped= One-handed, Two-handed will be like this

[digital helm]

My only concern is the potential column width. But if that's ok, then I think this would be good.

Not sure it could be done on the template side though.

[digital helm]

On the infobox you have the 'label' (left side) and 'data' (right side) most of the translations such as equipped are for the label. Here, 'Equipped' is used for how many hands it's equipped in AND the body location a clothing item is equipped.

Hopefully that helps. Let me know if you have issues

[digital helm]

To clarify, when I say 'left' and 'right' side, I mean on the rendered template, not the translating bit.

[digital helm]

I need to get onto this. The functionality is final, I just need to add doc and translatability. I'll keep a reminder

[proud cobalt]

I can use a line break?
Wire factory<br>(wirefactory)

That was convenient to wake up to. I do wonder if we should avoid counting subpages now.

[digital helm]

That's what I was thinking we'd want to avoid, otherwise we increase the table length 😄 in that case I think just let the line breaks be added automatically

Either way, it's a very minor concern

[digital helm]

I think maybe we should too

[proud cobalt]

I think leaving it auto is best. It means we can support translations. We dont even have to do en if we dont want to

[proud cobalt]

Minecraft has 10,000 articles with 660 active users 😆

We're punching up thats for sure

They actually count subpages too 😄
https://minecraft.wiki

[proud cobalt]

Russian redirects going up. Waiting on the final checks from the Italian translator and Italian will start going up too.
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/User:Calvy/sandbox2/it

[digital helm]

And Minecraft is about 10 different games now 😆

[digital helm]

Happy with this. We can always change it if we change our mind

[lucid junco]

The main problem was inability to comprehend what our translators had done with the word Equipped

[lucid junco]

I sincerely hope no one will have the same problem with my translation

[languid kayak]

Same; subpages aren't meaningful, and can still be seen in https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Special:Statistics

[proud cobalt]

Header fix going up. ETA 17 hours 😆

[languid kayak]

What was wrong? Kinda out of the loop 😄

[proud cobalt]

The language headers used a generic header as they are generated, and the script was made with English B42 pages in mind. But I realised I can just use the English header for language subpages, so all headers will be accurate

[languid kayak]

ah, I see, e.g, https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Boris_The_Badger/ru&diff=prev&oldid=498107

[proud cobalt]

Yep, but there's a little over 5,000 pages to edit

[languid kayak]

that's half the pages we have 😄

(at least it's a finite number)

btw @proud cobalt about these https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Soup/ru&curid=52935&diff=489119&oldid=488639 I guess it's a prefered way now since we're not using {{ll}} there?

Also I guess {{lcs}} is less heavy than the {{ll}}?

[proud cobalt]

Ll doesn't work for templates iirc

In all honestly it was much quicker to copy paste it with lcs for the couple hundred pages missing navboxes, rather than manually figure out what language I was on and writing it

[languid kayak]

btw, what's the status with infoboxes? Are there gonna be revamped after all the splitting is done?

navboxes*

[proud cobalt]

Yeah they're gonna have to be completely rechecked after splitting, then again for B42

[languid kayak]

well, almost anything is gonna be rechecked/changed/different after b42 😄

[proud cobalt]

Indeed it is, didn't think of it that way. Will also put CalvyBot at 100k+ edits
I will update the uploader script to use the English header for Italian and beyond

[languid kayak]

btw; when you find translators in #translations, you can ask to translate that bit too: https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Citizen-footer-desc&action=edit

Alo I think some sidebars translations might be missing in https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Special:AllPages?from=&to=&namespace=8 (and some might be slightly updated as we changed them a little)

these all have to be updated by interface admin anyway, means me or vail (or kirrus)

[proud cobalt]

Didn't know they existed. I figured they did, but wouldn't know where to find them 😂

[languid kayak]

😄

btw, compare how lackluster are some existing pages 😩
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Sheet_of_Paper
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Sheet_of_Paper/fr vs https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Sheet_of_Paper/pl

I guess we'll replace them in the end manually, right?

Also some pages host some historical info still (though if we dig deep enough in English pages, we should find them too: https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Shoes_(disambiguation)/de#History)

btw, I updated https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Help:Translations#Articles and https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Help:Style_guide#Article_sections with the info following our automated changes in the language pages

So far I crossed it until all the pages we want are automatically generated, but might as well remove it altogether now. Pinging @digital helm for that too.

Also let me know if that thing is mentioned somewhere else, too 🙂

[proud cobalt]

Yeah the main point is that the information is there for users in their own language. And important pages like weapons and food have much more automated information on them too. Copying Crafting over will also help this

I also need to look at adding distribution and code boxes to pages that already existed. Once they're on there is simple to keep it up to date

[languid kayak]

yup, I don't like touching that, though some sections are obsolete by now (effects for example; history was replaced too, but it's not fully automated). The rest would require splitting into sections.

Infoboxes will solve some of these though, I guess those are planned somewhere down the line?

Different topic (I'm going through them, as I have some time for patrolling changes :P)

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Paint – this infobox have empty "General" section; is that how we want it to be for the general pages like that?

[proud cobalt]

I think it's fine like that, a little silly but something I think only editors would notice

[digital helm]

And how many languages now, 3?

[proud cobalt]

Yeah pl, tr, ru. Hopefully tomorrow it too

[digital helm]

Won't be long before you hit a week to update all languages 😆

[digital helm]

I think including page_version on languages is good. Would need to be added for the translate extension anyway, so best to start now.
Code is whatever to me. I've never been fond of it 😄

[digital helm]

That's not intentional. "General" would normally be removed, but because we have weight=- weight has a value, so it gets displayed, although weight gets removed afterwards because it's -. I could add a check for this

E.g. without weight=-

So many little things to do

[robust latch]

What's the remaining 22k pages? Just templates? Since the ther 10k is readable articles and categories.

Oh the files aswell

[proud cobalt]

Everything else imaginable in all the other namespaces. Includes all the user pages, templates, talk pages, files etc

[proud cobalt]

Lol at least they will be staggered, as all the community language efforts have to be updated. So English will go first asap, then we'll see how we go

[proud cobalt]

I'm for this too

[languid kayak]

as in code in general or code in non-English pages? If it's automated, won't hurt. I often go to the code section when checking stuff.

also might be good for modders

[digital helm]

I was meaning code in general, but I get that it can be useful.
The 2 pages should be identical, just translated, so code and page_version should be on both

[digital helm]

Added this https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Paint

[digital helm]

I've removed the infobox font-size change from the vector skins. Turns out they already reduce the font size by 87.5% for the body.

[proud cobalt]

Looks good

[languid kayak]

it works now, but couldn't we just remove weight?

it seems the page doesn't break on preview for me?

[digital helm]

Yeah, removing weight would be fine. This is just an extra check as it should never display with nothing in the section

[languid kayak]

templates, files, categories, help and project pages (we don't have many now, things on Help: and Project: namespaces meaning helps and actual projects + community portal, including language ones), mediawiki pages (sidebar messages mostly, but not only),

oh and user pages + all kind of talk pages

[proud cobalt]

I've spotted the first victim of the model swap. I havnt had time to go through the changes yet so please point out if you see any. Hopefully I can get to them soon
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Hand_Axe

[languid kayak]

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Category:Pages_with_broken_file_links would help I guess

[proud cobalt]

Thanks yeah I havnt had a chance to look at this

[robust latch]

Thanks, they look much better now.

[robust latch]

Right, the help pages doesn't actually have a header for page count

Speaking of wich I think I should finally start fixing TR help pages. Just in case there will be some Turkish editors coming to Wiki, one day.

[digital helm]

It's actually a built in mediawiki feature. The {{NUMBEROFARTICLES}} magic word if interested https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Magic_words#Statistics
You have namespaces (Help, PZwiki, Template, etc.) then the main namespace which doesn't have that prefix.
These are the requirements to be included:

• Be in the main namespace, or a defined content namespace
• Not be a redirect page
• Contain at least one internal link, as configured by $wgArticleCountMethod.
  https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Using_custom_namespaces#content-ns

[proud cobalt]

OK this is actually fixed now

[proud cobalt]

Oh yeah redirects too. There's a lot of those now. Probably 10,000+

[digital helm]

Yeah, way more than the number of articles we have 😄

[proud cobalt]

So much better for them to get done now. The panic of B42 has dropped significantly since the start of the year

[digital helm]

And somehow we just keep on finding things that need to be done

[proud cobalt]

40% done, 4 hours ahead of schedule

[proud cobalt]

Ahh the joys of wiki 😄

[digital helm]

The rate limit gods have been good to us

[proud cobalt]

Don't tempt them

That's actually at 12 second rate limit 😂 but it started at 20

[digital helm]

@robust latch @lucid junco Fixing template can now be translated if you'd like to do it https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Template:Fixing#How_to_translate

[digital helm]

so they're less cruel 😆

[robust latch]

yEs

[digital helm]

Sorry, I missed a translation and added a caption. I've added a placeholder to TR. https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Template:Fixing/tr&action=edit

[languid kayak]

Well, the mediawiki one is just pages in the Main namespace, so without prefix (but the pages with colon in title are counted, and IIRC subpages too).

The language ones are counted based on category IIRC, and I think it's indeed the header that adds it currently? Vail switched how it works once so I'm not sure

[languid kayak]

I should update the screenshots in the help pages, but I'm waiting just in case we'll get a new citizen, it changes how few things look/work

[languid kayak]

Huh, wasn't aware of the $wgArticleCountMethod, not sure which one we have set. I think it'd have to be Kirrus to check? Or can they be seen somewhere?

[languid kayak]

The panic has drops and now the waiting game started 😄 I guess TIS are on their toes right now as they don't want to end up as Cyberpunk launched (or pretty much any other AAA game for the matter).

[proud cobalt]

I've added fixing templates for every fixing recipe output by the parser now. Will look at getting them on language pages when i do crafting (most likely)

[lucid junco]

What exactly is it used for?

Oh

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Template:Fixing/ru

[robust latch]

Alright, good to hear. Not going to translate help pages yet then.

[lucid junco]

Looking into that now and oh boy, its a bit janky

"X Rack Firearm I dunno what it does."

[robust latch]

A translator translated like that?

[lucid junco]

Apparently

Though it seems outdated

[robust latch]

That is just the worst, its better for them to leave there as english or blank than doing this, because these kinds of bs "IDk bro" "Ill edit here later bro" sort of edits can be fucking everywhere

Which was the case for 2 particular users at the time for Turkish back in February or so

[lucid junco]

Well, entire russian translation was about the same quality for a long time so..

[languid kayak]

Well, it'd be mostly images but still

[lucid junco]

What do all these categories should mean?

Voice is already in the Multiplayer

Unless Im missing something

Oh

I do

[lucid junco]

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Controls

Thats better

[lucid junco]

Tbh, its better off to start over due to how outdated it is

You know what, there was never a Controls/ru page before

https://tenor.com/view/stalin-photoshop-gif-25202160

[robust latch]

Sometimes for particular articles that decision has to be made yes

[languid kayak]

seems https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Tea_Bag/ja#Crafting is bugged 🤔

I noticed there's quite some pages like that, using model instead of icon for icon, not sure if that's something we can do en masse? Pinging @proud cobalt for that https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Margarine%2Fja&type=revision&diff=505677&oldid=488949

(also some have the same image for model and icon, resulting in a blurry icon, e.g., https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Canned_Tuna%2Ffr&type=revision&diff=505689&oldid=488797)

Hm, what is written in this magazine? https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:TVMagazine_Model.png

I think this page is due to removal? No need to keep it I guess? https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Broccoli_Chicken_Casserole (same with French one)

this would need revamp, but I think the item is still spawnable in debug? https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Bowl_of_Ramen_Noodles#Former_crafting

[robust latch]

Interview with TV star Kelly Vader

[languid kayak]

Kelly Vader? Would that be a reference to something?

I also think it's "B"?

or Bauer?

[robust latch]

No. Idt this is referencing Darth Vader.

[digital helm]

Pretty sure that's all back-end, no way to see as far as I know. I have a method for counting articles by language though. Just need to add it

[digital helm]

Thanks, but you missed Required items: which gets used for fixing things like car parts

[proud cobalt]

Italian going up, 4 hours eta

[digital helm]

yikes. It was 10,000 yesterday

[digital helm]

Main page stats changed to be per language. Unfortunately now it'll only count articles that have {{Header}}, since it references the language code category (only pages, not categories or files). https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Category:En

[digital helm]

I think the second name is far too blurry to determine what the name is. No reference comes to mind for me

[proud cobalt]

IT pages up, redirects going up

[proud cobalt]

Should we be using model if the icon is the same? This will make it harder to know what pages are missing models. Possibly automatable, depends what we want to do and how to identify those pages

[proud cobalt]

Looks better, its more accurate to the wiki itself which is English main language

[lucid junco]

Oh

My bad

Fixed it now

[proud cobalt]

All pages should have header right?

All articles at least

[digital helm]

Yeah, main namespace

[digital helm]

This is fixed (and more with the same issue)

[digital helm]

icon should be used if there is no model. If model is empty, the template uses icon, but not the other way around.
These pages seem to be missing icon altogether, so maybe check for that?

Also, if model and icon are the same, model should be removed. The pixelart class is only added when using icon as the model image.

Here's an example of one I just fixed https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Mustard/ja&curid=19769&diff=508611&oldid=488973

[digital helm]

I don't see the harm in keeping these removed items

[digital helm]

Still spawnable. Item still exists, and not Obsolete

[digital helm]

@proud cobalt I've added/updated Item list for ru, tr, pl and it, in case you want to see which item pages are missing.
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/PZwiki:Item_list/ru
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/PZwiki:Item_list/tr
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/PZwiki:Item_list/pl
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/PZwiki:Item_list/it

[proud cobalt]

Awesome! Was gonna look at those at some point

[robust latch]

[[Category:Cooking]] these are supposed to be in LL format right? I am changing them to LL whenever I see one

[digital helm]

No issue. No harm in not changing them, just makes it easier when translating

[languid kayak]

That works, yeah. We can also link to https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Special:Statistics as other wikis do

[languid kayak]

Well, currently if there's nothing, we omit the parameter and icon is used to display pixelated icon instead of models.

For missing models {{Reupload}} should be used and for items that don't have models at all, we usually just mention that in trivia (and update the page once they do get models)

Could be more specific with {{Reupload}}, as currently those are stuffed with other images that need improvements

[languid kayak]

Is it still in the code though? Even as obsolete?

Also, for the obsolete items, the old recipe templates are commented out, looks kinda ugly 😄

[digital helm]

It's not in the code, but it's still part of the games history. Isn't that the purpose of the obsolete mbox? To indicate that the item is no longer in the game.

I think the recipes should be removed, and maybe just mentioned

[languid kayak]

I see you fixed https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Template:EvolvedRecipesForItem/ja @digital helm 🥳

I know it's due to be revamped, but are there any immediate fixes for the template btw? If not, I'll just change animations to cycle-img for now

[languid kayak]

That was the point, yeah, though as the time passed and items blurred I removed some obsolete clothings and recipes as they were hard to maintain 😄

Generally, if we can find a direct replacement for an item, everything should go into ==History== table

[digital helm]

No immediate plans, just on the to-do list

[digital helm]

I'm neither for nor against it, I just like think the history of it could be helpful. For me, after I came back to PZ after I while I remembered the boring soup, and wondered what happened to it, so looked it up (although I think the wiki still said it existed back then 😄 )
I'm fine with its history being merged with the history of https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Roasted_Vegetables

[robust latch]

Do you want me to link this part? @languid kayak @digital helm

Cartography Skil boks etc. have categories to be linked to

Should we add this https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Category:Gloves category to Navbox Items?

[languid kayak]

I think it's a wrong model? @proud cobalt @digital helm? Should be white? https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:BucketFullPlaster_Model-old.png

C.f.,: https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:BucketFullConcrete_Model-old.png

Also is there a blue model of the empty bucket and bucker of water, or are these just the icons?

[digital helm]

Yeah, that is the concrete texture

[digital helm]

I'll check

[languid kayak]

I think I marked it with reupload once, but maybe I'm mistaken 🤔

c.f.: https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Category:Item_models&filefrom=Bucket

If we'd be really anal about it, all these could be exported to be the same angle, but they don't appear on a single page anyway 😄

Also, I know that splitting water containers is really down the line following the liquid system change in b42, but because of that https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Bucket has some duplicate sections.

Also I think it could be worthwhile, if the bucket of water item will be come outdated, while the regular (empty) bucket will be used for example as a last remaining item (so empty bucket + liquid inside)

[digital helm]

When I replace/add one texture, I tend to do them all because it irks me 😄

[digital helm]

point 1: are you talking about this (screenshot)? It was all automated, so can be manually fixed. I don't think the script will be run again.

point 2: I agree it'll likely be bucket + liquid. I think the history for water bucket would/can be merged with normal bucket

[languid kayak]

nah, I added the history table myself now

if I did it wrong though, feel free to correct 😄

Also not sure when it was added, but must have been before 41.78 logically, though I can assume it should be 38.30 at least since that's how https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Bucket_of_Concrete#History and plaster one

[digital helm]

at least. I know it was long before that though, just not sure when.

[digital helm]

Ah, I see. Not sure there's really a right way right now, so that'll do 😄

[languid kayak]

btw, I think the animation models could be split from https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Category:Item_models – also not sure if we have naming scheme for the animation models in style guide?

[digital helm]

I've been adding _Animation lately, since _Anim was already a thing
Not sure why it would be split from that though

[languid kayak]

would be nice to have all animated models in one category and all the on-ground ones in another I guess?

Though I kinda wish the animated and on ground models could be shared by the game. Originally I though that by the time all items would have models they could appear on character's hands in game, maybe it's planned eventually, but a bit big task for TIS to do 😄

At least we'll get dragging of bodies in build 42, not sure if anything changes about generators (or furniture)

[digital helm]

I get you now. They'd both be in models, but maybe 'world static' or just 'world' and 'animation' models?

animated and on ground models could be shared by the game
this would make things simpler

[languid kayak]

wouldn't it be better like that btw?

<div>The ''Project Zomboid'' wiki with {{NUMBEROFARTICLES}} articles ({{PAGESINCATEGORY:En|pages}} in English) since {{#dateformat:2011-04-07|mdy}}.<br>Please feel free to contribute by creating a new article or expanding upon an existing one.</div>

[digital helm]

Probably. I just slipped the word 'English' in there and called it a day

Feel free to change

[languid kayak]

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Project_Zomboid_Wiki updated (with a link) as well as sandbox. Other languages are not yet updated with these

[digital helm]

I like that. Getting content pages is probably better than all pages

[languid kayak]

Most if not all wikis focus on these 😛 Especially since now we don't have to hide the small amount of pages we used to have 😄

[proud cobalt]

Thats way better 😄

We look like we know what we're doing

[proud cobalt]

Ok this is what i thought. I confused myself. Ill look into finding pages that use the the same icon and model image, or have model and not image

Side note, Satisfactory 1.0 came out and they've moved off fandom (to wiki.gg). Fandom are undeleting pages so the editors have slapped outdated on every single article, and the developer is threatening to file DMCA claims for use of their images and logos unless fandom stop their bs

[lucid junco]

I think pz wiki is one of the few to be independent from the start?

[proud cobalt]

Particularly rare for indie games. But many have gone to fandom and are now desperately trying to go back

PZwiki started as a community project before being adopted by TIS. Now its hosted by them but still maintained by us

I think the timeframe of the game helped too. 2011 was such a different internet

[lucid junco]

Pretty much what I've thought

And its even rarer, since usually it isn't supported by og creators as much

[digital helm]

Good on them. I wonder why you don't see that more

[lucid junco]

Usually, unless its on the another wiki farm, all of the server upkeep bills have to be payed by wiki admins

I think thats the case with the Jojo wiki

[proud cobalt]

I believe its the same with out affiliate https://fallout.wiki

[digital helm]

The mediawiki backend is a pita too. That and the upkeep costs are why many people opt for sticking with a wiki farm

[proud cobalt]

Speaking of. I wonder if wiki.gg makes languages easier for them?
https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/fr/wiki/Jalon

Cant see any language plugin
https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/Special:Version

But i do see scribunto

They also have a copyright disclaimer for game assets
https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/File:Conveyor_Belt_Mk.5.png

[digital helm]

A lot of interesting extensions there. Maintenance must be painful
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:RegexFunctions
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Variables
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ParserPower
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:MyVariables

[digital helm]

Was talking to @languid kayak about this recently. Planning to add something similar for non-TIS images

[proud cobalt]

Yeah not a bad idea, especially if we're automatically parsing images from game data. DId you say recently you had a better way to upload models? Or something like that

[languid kayak]

That's interesting for developer to chime in. Undeleting pages by FANDOM happened in the past (and is often the case)

[digital helm]

Just with msupload https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:MsUpload
Add files to the current category, if the page being edited is a category page.
This is how I do all my uploads

[languid kayak]

FANDOM came at around similar time, but TIS decided to host the pzwiki.net at one point (and they do to this day), similar happened with blindcoder's map

[languid kayak]

Doesn't help that FANDOM aquired Gamepedia at one point, too.

[languid kayak]

yeah exactly 😄

[languid kayak]

but yeah, still later, April 2011 for us June 2011 for them.

Funny how the main page says that:

173 articles since June 2011

Sadly outdated as of Janurary 2022 but feel free to help out!

Starting to clean and refine as of April 19, 2023! All help appreciated!

Kinda feels bad for people contributing there 😦 https://projectzomboid.fandom.com/wiki/Special:RecentChanges

oh actually, it's just been spam it seems

[digital helm]

No one has seriously edited since October 2023, by the looks of it

[lucid junco]

Why would you, when there is already a superior version that has no ads, active support and independence from the shitty wikifarm

[digital helm]

I'm surprised it was that recent. pzwiki has been more up-to-date even when it was seriously outdated

[languid kayak]

I think it's mostly people who already use another FANDOM searching from zomboid from within. Thankfully FANDOM is not showing first for search results, other wikis have issue with that, that's why extension such as https://getindie.wiki/ exist (which I wholeheartedly recommend having installed)

good to see our logo too 😄

[lucid junco]

I dont think that its much of a problem with our wiki due to how outdated fandom one is

[proud cobalt]

Satisfactory still shows fandom before wiki.gg

[languid kayak]

That's why plugin is handy

second one is from https://www.wiki.gg/redirect

[languid kayak]

btw @proud cobalt seems the bot generates wrong links for https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Spiked_Pickaxe_Handle/it model, just replacing the last one before removal

[proud cobalt]

Would have used the English version
https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Spiked_Pickaxe_Handle&diff=511535&oldid=500827

[languid kayak]

all changed now, so should be good I guess then 👌

[languid kayak]

I replaed all items marked for deletion, looking for missed ones now based on what's on tasks, seems that https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=File:WaterBottle_Model.png was replaced by https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:WaterBottleEmpty_Model.png by accident?

[digital helm]

There was the potential for that, since both models were in the infobox. The list we got would've said they both needed to be moved to the same place.

I fixed some of them, this one would've been missed

[languid kayak]

fixing it rn

[digital helm]

First live article with autogenerated image cycling https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Nutritional_values#List_of_nutritional_values
The function I've written makes this really easy, so will be used a lot more

[languid kayak]

It seems that the script can't handle well the pages where there are two variants in one page @proud cobalt? https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Water_Bottle/tr&action=history

I copied the English ones for now: https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Water_Bottle%2Ftr&type=revision&diff=511567&oldid=505343

was similar with other pages too.

Water bottles are fixed now, but umbrella has issues – https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=File:Umbrella_Closed_White_Model.png&redirect=no&action=edit&redlink=1 is missing and the opened ones are not used – will fix it by hand shortly:

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:UmbrellaWhite_Model.png
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:UmbrellaBlack_Model.png
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:UmbrellaBlue_Model.png
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:UmbrellaRed_Model.png

oh found the closed white one: https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:Umbrella_Closed_Model.png

Okay, fixed @digital helm could you check whether the names are correct now? https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Umbrella

Also the language pages seem to miss variants, e.g., https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Umbrella/it

There's something wrong with the https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:Model_Magazine.png and https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:TVMagazine_Model.png – also not sure which item uses which model?

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:SquidCalimariRaw_Model.png is not used following the moving as well

Seems they've been overwritten https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Squid_Calamari

as usual, the non-English pages can't handle multiple variants 😄

some typos in the table indeed too, like requesting to change https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:HankPic_Model.png to https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:JamesPic_Model.png

[languid kayak]

https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=File:Model_Magazine.png&redirect=no too

nvm it's the same as previous one lol

These three are named wrong too (not listed):
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:Model_EarMuff_Protectors.png
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:Model_EarMuff_White.png
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:Model_ScarfWhite.png

And finally there are some unused models, some need names adjusted, else they need to check whether they are duplicated or can be added to pages:
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:ShoesTrainersBlack_Model.png
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:ShoesSneakers_Model.png (future, see https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:ShoesSneakersRed.png)
~~https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:Jacket_Shellsuit_Teal_model.png~~
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:BulletMold_Model.png (future)
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:BoxingHeadGear_Black_Model.png (future, see https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:BoxingHeadgear_Black.png)

~~and https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:Snackcake_Chocakes_Model.png~~ (it was some error)

I'll try to settle these (finding unused ones and seeing how magazines are in-game), maybe take a look at the model ones, just going out for a bit.

With that in mind, I guess it'll mark the model renaming task done in https://pzwiki.net/wiki/PZwiki:Tasks or are we missing some @proud cobalt @digital helm?

I'll then be moving to hopefully clearing https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Category:Pages_requested_for_deletion – there's one new task added for replacing https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:IndustrialFridge.gif if not I may do that manually, it's just 13 pages 🙂 More will come once I get to tiles though I bet.

I also know that you've been working on automatically extracting models, I wonder if it'd be possible to extract or at least list them all? There are some unused models and some WIP ones and the majority of https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Category:Image_improvement_needed is missing models.

Models should be added to non-English pages infoboxes. A lot are missing the models.

[languid kayak]

The https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:BoxingHeadGear_Black_Model.png is from an unimplemented item along with https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:BoxingHeadgear_Black.png – we're not listing it anywhere including https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Boxing_Head_Gear_(disambiguation) – do we want to add it? So far the only links to items that aren't in the actual script txt files is this: https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Insect_(disambiguation) mentioning the Honeybee and Wasp

[languid kayak]

same with https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:ShoesSneakers_Model.png and https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:ShoesSneakersRed.png

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:ShoesTrainersBlack_Model.png I'm not sure

[languid kayak]

@digital helm I think the https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:Magazine_Model.png is not the model for magazine?

It seems the newspaper model is different too? https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:Newspaper_Model.png

Also trivia states that Journal shares model with newspaper, but we're leaving the unused model in the infobox? Might be confusing for the readers to notice a different model is ued when placed/found: https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Journal

[languid kayak]

I guess these three would need decisions from #pzwiki_editing message settled. Clothing is complicated 😩.

In the meantime, I guess we could at least move _Model to the end.

Also @proud cobalt if you're adding pages, mind changing {{location table to {{Location table so we could avoid renames in the future?

[languid kayak]

Well, I moved these and updated the tasks page: https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=PZwiki%3ATasks&type=revision&diff=511665&oldid=511657

[languid kayak]

BTW, are we at the stage to move https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Evolved_recipes to https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Recipe_ingredients yet, or are we still missing something?

[languid kayak]

It's now pretty much https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Template:Recipe_list and https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Recipe_ingredients that are preventing animations from https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Category:Pages_requested_for_deletion

Would be nice if Recipe list could use cycle-img, though the whole recipe list is having a lot of old outdated links 😩

Anyway, any help in getting rid of https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Category:Pages_requested_for_deletion is much welcome 😄 At that point, it's mostly these two templates and non-English pages for the satic PNGs

[languid kayak]

@serene sage are these two good for removal now? https://pzwiki.net/wiki/User:Mid/sandbox/survivor_stories_bloated_mid https://pzwiki.net/wiki/User:Mid/sandbox/survivor_stories_original

[serene sage]

think so, those articles were done a long time ago

[languid kayak]

With that in mind https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Category:Site_maintenance 👀

update

[languid kayak]

I think we could make placeholders in recipe list similar to https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Roasted_Vegetables&oldid=478171&diff=prev ?

[digital helm]

Fixed the names. Should be it's just 'Umbrella' and 'Closed Umbrella'.
I'll have to fix the model priority. Currently StaticModel is last, but maybe this should be first. Open umbrellas have a closed umbrella as their WorldStaticModel, which is why the model images were wrong.

[digital helm]

We used Magazine_Model (animation) for the normal magazine because the WorldStaticModel texture/model was messed up, iirc. The TV Magazine uses the TVMagazine_Model as the WorldStaticModel

[digital helm]

The models had the wrong names, which I've now fixed. Will just take a minute for cache to update

[digital helm]

Currently the script (unsure if @proud cobalt uses it directly or partly) only grabs one model (and item id). It only grabs all the icons, for that one item id.
Remember the new pages the script creates were only supposed to be a starting point, they won't be perfect

[digital helm]

This was because the item id in the infobox was wrong. Calvy's scripts refer to that when determining what should be on a page. Fixed it now

[digital helm]

Don't pay too much attention to clothing. These should be skipped over. These will need to use texture names, which I'm still working on

[digital helm]

Once I get the model function finished, I'll get a list of the model(s), page/item name, and item id. Should help with seeing what is missing.

[digital helm]

I think we're fine to leave it for now, unless you're really itching to add them. The model names may need to be changed too

[digital helm]

See #pzwiki_editing message we went over this one quite a while ago. The world static model for it didn't make much sense, so stuck with the animation model. We were going to wait until b42.
Newspaper model was also the animation one. Models from 2020 were all from animations, since world static models didn't exist yet. This can be updated though.

[digital helm]

Again, that would be the world static model. I'll clarify the trivia.

[digital helm]

Thanks. They would've had Model at the start from before we standardised it, and I forgot whether I was putting it at the front or back previously 😄

[digital helm]

@proud cobalt for that one.
I haven't really had a proper look at it, but it looks good to me. I know we were just unsure about the ingredients table

[digital helm]

Still planning on doing it. I was hoping to look at it this weekend. Will see if I have time

[digital helm]

Thanks for doing all those models! If the above were all the issues you found, I'm surprised there were so few 😄

[digital helm]

I've modified the template and js function so that this is now also an option https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Roasted_Vegetables&type=revision&diff=511777&oldid=511717
Although it ideally needs to be separated as they have different hunger values

[proud cobalt]

Thats 5,500 articles to change, how important is that?

Catching up on messages now

[proud cobalt]

I might have time at work todat, will try get these done if i do

[proud cobalt]

Thats basically what it comes down to. So long as the information in the infobox is up to date they're serving their purpose

Some issues with models was due to the way the replacement script works. It's very hard for it to know what is part of the model and what isnt. Thats why StoneAxe.png got changed to StoneFireAxe.png because it saw Axe.png and the mapping was Axe.png to FireAxe.png

[proud cobalt]

Just needs a few fixes and polish #pzwiki_editing message

[proud cobalt]

Oh thats great thanks

[quasi thunder]

I want to die. I was translating "Trait" and when I was almost finished, my internet crashed and the page restarted to its original clean state.😭😭😭

https://tenor.com/view/clash-royale-skeleton-crying-tears-puddle-gif-7948217581825276854

[lucid junco]

https://tenor.com/view/first-time-meme-first-time-the-ballad-of-buster-scruggs-gif-24656975

[proud cobalt]

So i'm thinking that i'll split the ingredients on long pages into generic categories, rather than game categories. So meat will include all types of meat, whereas in-game meat, poultry, seafood etc are different

So they wont be 1:1 with game categories but make logical sense

[languid kayak]

oh right, I forgot they also have animations after all

[languid kayak]

nah, can be left unused, no big deal 🙂

[languid kayak]

yeah, I remember; just forgot about the animations like I said before 😄

[languid kayak]

yeah 😄 Unless I missed something obviously, but seems not (some entries in the table were doubled, but that wasn't really an issue)

[languid kayak]

not really; just for the future 🙂

[languid kayak]

aww, that's a shame; browsers keeps stuff that survive browser and system crashes nowadays (used to be much worse back in the day), but when I write something longer then I use to make either a local copy or more commonly now, just DM it to my wife (though a chat with self/own Discord server for safekeeping, or just some google/dropbox works).

If it's not terribly long though, I also sometimes peridically ctrl+a +ctrl+c to at least keep it in the clipboard

[languid kayak]

I changed the format of https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Controls/es to the new one to one step closer to replace both https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:Leftsidehud.png (which are directly icons now) and https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:Dashboard_4043.png (which uses a new version with different numbering). There are four pages using both that needs pretty much the same: French, Japanese, Brazilian Portugues and Turkish currently. We don't have translators for the first three, so I'll see what I can do, but if you'd be up for the Turkish one @robust latch, here's all the changes I did for the Spanish: https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Controls%2Fes&type=revision&diff=511867&oldid=489295 (feel free to take a look at version history, as I did them in party:

Before it was like that (I kept the translations, just had to move them, but some things are new and would require translations: https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Controls/es&oldid=489295

[robust latch]

I ll be fixing controls/tr at some point in near future, knowing some vehicle changes and other changes, I had put Improve tag at the time. Just dont want to do it right away tho. Also controls/tr needs some comparisons with new translation file we have. Basically leave it to me 👍

[languid kayak]

Yeah, I think the English Controls is fine by now, I might do one sweep to make sure everything's up to date (should be), so far I marked the French Japanese and Portuguese as outdated and updated the intro section to remove mention of some build 3x stuff 😄

I'll probably finish https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Options and I have the bit you mentioned about the Vehicles page at the back of my head, too.

[robust latch]

Got it man

[languid kayak]

btw, I cropped your https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:Controls(ru).png to match the English one @lucid junco

I also think we should have some standard for naming the non-English counterparts of screenshots @digital helm as currently there's no such thing 😄

English name (xx).ext or English name/xx.ext maybe? Then they'd be put into the same category as the English one I guess? (that's what I did with the Russian controls screenshot)

[lucid junco]

Have you also deleted the old .jpg one?

[languid kayak]

no, just noticed this one when I was editing it, you can link to it so I can remove it, if not I'll get to it when browsing the recent changes I guess 😄

[lucid junco]

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:Controls(ru).jpg

[languid kayak]

btw @digital helm you have something immediate planned for the https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Vehicles page itself or is it just vehicles' pages alone?

That whole page is a little chaotic and like Ksilem said in #pzwiki_editing message some bits from https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Controls#Vehicle so maybe I'll at least try to do some minor changes

Took a while, but here's the list of the most visited pages by title (English or not) from the last 30 days

[quasi thunder]

Wow, man

[languid kayak]

it's sorted by non-unique-views

[quasi thunder]

Okay, thanks

Now I need to find time for it...

Probably, I won't be able to translate more than 3-4 articles a month. It would be great to train some AI to at least translate repetitive parts😩

[proud cobalt]

Build 44 is way higher than it should be. People are too eager 😆

[languid kayak]

Actually, I'm having a second thought, maybe the https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Controls#Dashboard should be moved to https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Vehicles instead? It probably fits there more and used to be there before, see https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Vehicles/es#Panel_de_instrumentos and before that in https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Vehicles_Guide/es#Tablero

[robust latch]

Is this infomration only accesible by You and Vail?

[languid kayak]

Pretty much yes, as well as Kirrus of course, and maybe some TIS staff. I mentioned it it one of the blog posts and Kirrus mentioned it being added back then here on Discord, too. Though the actual numbers are not to be shared as per Kirrus' request

[robust latch]

Thanks for sharing this, something I wanted to know time to time but never really felt like asking it

Not one Turkish article in the 500 most visited pages is kinda sad tbh

Maybe ignorance was bliss 😄

I was expecting atleast 1-2 Tr in there, be it main page or something

[languid kayak]

1,6% of visits from the last month was Turkey though, I guess some might navigate in English though

[robust latch]

Yeah I mean if I was a proficient English-speaking Turkish reader, I would also navigate in English

Simply because TR isnt complete at all

OK I will translate Life and Living then

easy solutioın

But Life and Living article has to be changed to show format instead of date in my opinion, BUT seeing as its undoubtedly the most visited page I think I should get some ideas from you first

Like it might confuse readers when it gets changed maybe

[languid kayak]

It's a page that's been sitting in the back of my head, but it's one of those high traffic pages that are hard to tackle.

Though probably better now than after build 42 I guess. Though I think after build 42 there will be more feedback, as that's when the old players will come back to the game and spark interest to friends and other players who might be new to the game and go to the wiki.

[robust latch]

Is not complete, but in pristine condition besides 25 or so improve&outdated articles

cough and 1404 translation needed items cough

[robust latch]

We both agree to change it to show format then, If I didn't misunderstand?

[proud cobalt]

Please use sandbox before making any changes to life and living

[robust latch]

Alright, I shall start with a sandbox

[proud cobalt]

Cheers, that way everyone can see what you mean and be happy with it before editing the busiest article on the wiki 😄

[languid kayak]

Okay, with that in mind I moved controls (dashboard and vehicle radoal menu) back to vehicles when it'll be more visited I guess, with the links in https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Controls

I also did the first sweep of cleanups for https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Vehicles – the refueling and towing sections could use new screenshots and some reorganization probably, maybe I'll do the screenshots next too.

That means that you'll have some updates to do @lucid junco in https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Controls/ru sorry about that 😄 Although it'd be a good time to move and delete any remaining bits from https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Vehicles_Guide/ru to https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Vehicles/ru while at it.

I'll try to settle the https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Vehicles_Guide/es following that change too and maybe tackle the French and Japanese ones along with the controls so it'd be just the Turkish left 🙂

[languid kayak]

good idea nevertheless, but we did so many main changes over the last two years that went largely unnoticed that I wouldn't be surprised we could touch even that 😄

[robust latch]

Or be like: Bruh

[lucid junco]

Whaatt??!?! How could you?! Now I have to waste 5 mouse clicks!

[languid kayak]

We should organize PZwiki-sponsored mouses then 👀

[proud cobalt]

Ok i've gone through all of these pages and tried to categorise the ingredients logically, as well as standardising wording and formatting while at work. I think its pretty much ready to remove WIP and start working on redirecting to here. But ill put it up for discussion. I think any other format changes can be done live. Sticky column would be really nice here @digital helm

Category: https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Category:Evolved_recipes
Main page: https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Evolved_recipes

[languid kayak]

For me it looks much better, for comparison here's the current monster we have https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Recipe_ingredients

I'd say merge it and then redirect https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Recipe_ingredients but I wonder if it should be redirected to https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Evolved_recipes or https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Evolved_recipes#Ingredient_values directly? (Though I think just redirecting to page should be okay)

There are also these:
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Recipe_ingredients/es
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Recipe_ingredients/fr
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Recipe_ingredients/ru

And to a lesser degree:
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Recipe_ingredients/ja and https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Recipe_ingredients/pl (Polish is just some bits that were leftover and I didn't straigh up delete, but I can translate the page if needed teoretically)

I guess we should keep the old format for time being or maybe just remove some parts from them, leaving the text?

Russian one is also outdated, too

I think I'll add cycle-img to https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Evolved_recipes#Recipes when time permits too, and replace the ones in the individual pages

[languid kayak]

Also, I know most split recipe pages are WIP still, but we will have some redirects left, from https://pzwiki.net/wiki/PZwiki:Item_list:

• https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Beverage&redirect=no
• https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Bowl_of_Pasta&redirect=no
• https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Bowl_of_Rice&redirect=no
• https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Bowl_of_Stew&redirect=no
• https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Cooking_Pot_with_Pasta&redirect=no
• https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Cooking_Pot_with_Rice&redirect=no
• https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Hot_Drink&redirect=no
• https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Saucepan_with_Pasta&redirect=no

And @proud cobalt in https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Evolved_recipes#Recipes the Recipe name is the name in code, while the Description is supposed to be the context menu entry, right? The description seems to be a bit different than the ones shown in-game though (Create Fruit Salad in-game, Make Fruit Salad in the table)

Also, the hot dog icon in https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Evolved_recipes#Ingredient_values is wrong. And for some reason it's not sorted alphabetically, not sure if that's intended

[languid kayak]

BTW @proud cobalt not sure you realized, but you link to [[item]] and not [[items]] in the page. And in autogenerated pages the link point to [[Item/pl]] or [[Item/it]] and [[Item/tr]] but not to https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Umbrella/ru in autogenerated pages, see:

• https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Umbrella/it
• https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Umbrella/pl
• https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Umbrella/tr
• https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Umbrella/ru

With that in mind, however, @digital helm do you think we're finally at a point to just move (over redirect), after no real harm with skills and traits and occupations

• Items → Item
• Vehicles → Vehicle
  and
• Tiles → Furniture
  ?

There will be more, mostly for item sub-pages (Weapons, Tools, Bags) and tiles (Appliances, Lights, Tables), but we can decide this after seeing how moving those big pages goes

Here are all the pages that link to Item (not plural) https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Special:WhatLinksHere/Item&limit=500

[robust latch]

Are we sure we want to move tiles to furniture? Not everything is a furniture

[languid kayak]

I don't think we'll ever be dedicated enough to cover more than a few basic tiles though, so would be better to move on movable ones instead

on one hand, I'd like to rename them sooner, but OTOH I can't force myself to update the https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Tiles properly 😄

it was artificially bumped with a few minnor edits, but the data is from build 41.65 or so

(and I never completed it)

[languid kayak]

I now removed link to PZ map project which is linked on the sidebar and covered in its own article. The image linked was just https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:Muldraugh.png
The old description was A very handy map of the in-game world created by [https://github.com/blind-coder Benjamin 'blindcoder' Schieder] (@[https://x.com/blind_coder blind_coder]), where you can drag around and zoom into specific areas. Different points of interest are highlighted by blue circles, which can help you pinpoint where your character is and different destinations, as well as letting you set your own custom pins which can be used to mark looted locations, safehouses, or personal points of interest. The map is constantly updated with each map update along with having popular map mods like Bedford Falls, New Denver and Over The River – was wondering if anything could be pasted into https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Project_Zomboid_Map_Project but not sure if there was anything worth salvaging (the page needs some love, mind you).

The link to the GitHub script is part of https://github.com/stars/Faalagorn/lists/pzwiki-scripts (so far I linked it in my user page, I did mention it on Discord, but never pinned, maybe we can make it more visible or organize better, but that's where scripts belong) and did some cleanups.

Now it's mostly three links from Undeniable as well as one extra character planner and PZUnpacker which have unique links – not sure PZUnpacker is something we want to cover as TileZed serves better purpose nowadays. Related files:

• https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:PZ_Unpacker.png for the unpacker and https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:Zomboid-calculator.png (all contributions were from https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Special:Contributions/Ator – not sure if it's the author). Are we want to keep them somewhere, if so then where?

As far Undeniable goes @spark portal you have anything in mind? We can make a dedicated page for Undeniable on wiki with these three links, even if just to archive.

[languid kayak]

Collection of random scripts that can help PZwiki in some way or another: https://github.com/stars/Faalagorn/lists/pzwiki-scripts

[languid kayak]

(pinned now :))

[languid kayak]

Okay, https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Controls/tr is last user of https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:Dashboard_4043.png and https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:Leftsidehud.png 👀

[languid kayak]

@proud cobalt Honey icon is wrong too, e.g., in https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Beverage_(mug)#Condiments_&_Spices

(btw spices should be lowercase :P)

icon is updated now 🙂

[languid kayak]

@proud cobalt added animations to https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Evolved_recipes#Recipes – not sure if all the starting ones are correct though? Feel free to check, if not I should (hopefully) get to it someday™

[languid kayak]

now, besides https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Recipe_ingredients and the language variants, the last place where animated gif icons are used are https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Template:Recipe_list with just these three scheduled for deletion (though it uses animated gifs for tiles, too):

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:BreadAnima.gif
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:MugFullAnim.gif
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:MugAnim.gif

[digital helm]

I think something like Controls_RU.png

[digital helm]

Nothing immediate, only in an "I'd like to do that someday" state at the moment. What I'm planning is for the vehicle infobox and the table list of vehicles.

I think what you've done with controls here is good

[digital helm]

I'll try to look at sticky columns this week. It's just that the stylesheets are a bit of a mess, after all the changes to vector22, which needs to be done first

[digital helm]

Yes, I think we're better off moving them now than when b42 drops.

[digital helm]

I think the furniture page would be dedicated to furniture/moveables (these are in the furniture category in-game?), but keep the tile wiki category. There's not really much to say about non-moveable tiles

[digital helm]

I was looking at recipes yesterday, unfortunately I ran out of time. That's my priority right now, so hopefully I get it done today. Working on it on Recipe/sandbox

[languid kayak]

Okay, the last 4 links to Recipe Ingredients (uppercase I) are talk pages now: https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Special:WhatLinksHere/Recipe_Ingredients&limit=500

[languid kayak]

Moved Items → Item now; if hells freeze, that's on me 😄

[proud cobalt]

I just used the names from the code

[proud cobalt]

They are in the order of the evolvedrecipes.txt i believe

[proud cobalt]

Fixed hotdog in the table and added to a list for final checks in articles

[proud cobalt]

Actually its slightly deviated, soup and stew are first because they're more common to make, beverages are at the end, and similar recipes are together, e.g. pasta/rice burrito/sandwich salad/fruit salad

[proud cobalt]

Yeah seems to just be a difference in the translation dictionary, ill make it Item now for russian

[proud cobalt]

Both added to the list to update

[proud cobalt]

sounds good

[proud cobalt]

Sounds like we're happy to start moving over to Evolved recipes than. I'll finish this polish and get started on that today. I'll also move links to the new page. Home sick again today

[digital helm]

@languid kayak This has me thinking if we should bring back the language bar. We got rid of it because it was added to the sidebar, but now on default skin, the sidebar is hidden in a menu. So now I don't think it's very clear that there even are other languages. This may even help with getting people to help translate. Your thoughts too @naive imp since you had some interest in prompting people to translate.

I was looking at this template https://wiki.qt.io/Template:LangSwitch which is incredibly simple. This would also ease the transition if/when we get the translate extension (adds its own language bar)

[proud cobalt]

Ahh the lifecycle of wiki. It never ends 😄

[digital helm]

Constantly going around in circles 😆

[proud cobalt]

Feels like just yesterday
https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Eggplant&diff=245275&oldid=236437

[proud cobalt]

Ok the following has been completed:
WIP removed from main and sub articles,
Links to recipe ingredients moved to Evolved recipes or directly to food pages
Recipe ingredients changed to redirect,
Template updated,

Remaining links
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Special:WhatLinksHere/Recipe_ingredients

That was scary

The main page will need to be updated with the new link

[languid kayak]

(I fixed the honey manually btw)

[languid kayak]

This indeed seems simple, and yeah, on Citizen the languages are pretty much hidden 😩. Maybe it'd be a good thing, just requires updating all the pages, though can be botted obviously.

[languid kayak]

done

now it's pretty much these:
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Recipe_ingredients/es
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Recipe_ingredients/fr
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Recipe_ingredients/ja
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Recipe_ingredients/ru
(I deleted the Polish one yesterday)

[digital helm]

I think my biggest reason to remove it was because we were using/sandbox for a lot templates, and I just wanted to move on #pzwiki_editing message 😄

Only issue that I have with bringing it back now is that it's another thing we stick at the top of the page. So I'll do a mock-up and see how we feel

[languid kayak]

I think I'll just move them and replace gifs with animations for now, maybe just not at this moment, unless someone want to work on them immediately (and we don't really have es, fr and ja translators)

[digital helm]

I'll finish off the recipe template changes, then take a look today

[digital helm]

Tool tags in Recipes are now cycling images.
It uses tool_tag# (where # is 1, 2 or 3) which must be the tag with correct capitalisation, e.g. Hammer or Saw.
In the template it's just:
{{Tag_{{{tool_tag1}}}}}<br>{{ll|{{{tool_tag1}}} (tag)}}
So we rely on the tag template https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Template:Tag_Hammer and tag page https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Hammer_(tag) existing

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Template:Recipe is now readable too @proud cobalt 😆

Ingredients aren't cycling images yet. Unsure if they're needed

[proud cobalt]

Looks good, i remember i couldn't get it to work properly unless it was a dupster fire 😄

[digital helm]

I'm trying to add multiple tools with tool tags as an option and it's quickly turning into a dumpster fire

[robust latch]

Can the citizen display the sidebar on default, for non-users? Maybe it is something Kirrus can set? Idk at all.

[digital helm]

Nah, it'd require major changes to the skin

[naive imp]

I was never a fan of the languages in the sidebar. On vector 2022 they're incredibly small and not obvious at all that they're even there since not a lot of people use the sidebar that I speak to personally

(I use vector)

Definitely in favor of bringing back the languages template and making it a LOT more obvious

[digital helm]

Me too, initially.

Personally, I think we should keep the language bar, I feel like it's more obvious and would be a smoother transition for users when we move to the one from the extension.

Seems we really only went through with it to make way for the sidebar template

[digital helm]

Decided to scrap the multiple tools with tool tags, Will have to come back to it another day, maybe after b42. What we have works fine for now.
Here's an image of what I was doing, before and after.

I did make it so we can use image cycling for the product though. e.g. https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Beverage_(mug). I also cleaned up recipes using a GIF when they didn't need to, then deleted them @languid kayak

[spark portal]

i was thinking to update it with whatever the new popular item mods are these days. but i'm not sure what mods would "qualify". I've been told Britas is one, but have not confirmed any others yet

[tulip kiln]

Only ones I can think of are firearm mods like Firearms B41 and Vanilla Firearms Expanded. Both got like a mil subs

But they don't have a massive amount of items though.

[naive imp]

Pros-cons 2:Electric Boogaloo

[lucid junco]

If not a lot of people use sidebar which is already present on the screen, just imagine how many people dont use menu on the default citizen

[naive imp]

Exactly

There's a reason translations have lulled

[lucid junco]

Sometimes even one extra click can segregate huge portion of users

That's probably the reason why Wiki's "Citizen" has language buttons in the header

And not as a part of the menu

[languid kayak]

I think we had second thoughs how translate template would solve it, but that is not so quick if at all 🤔

[digital helm]

Wikipedia works very different to us. They have a different site for each language, which is more work than it's worth for a small wiki like this, both to set up and maintain the back-end. We might be able to simulate something like this on the front-end but that'd be more long term. Also probably wouldn't be compatible with the translate extension.
I'll set up the language bar as a quick 'now' solution and see what we think

[digital helm]

This is the exact reason we ended up showing the 'technical' section of the infobox. The one extra click was tedious for some

[languid kayak]

ah, indeed, I didn't realize we finally did this, though it seems that for other pages such as survivors that's still not the case: https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Kate_Smith

[digital helm]

Yeah, it was only for items iirc. Should we do it for everything?

[proud cobalt]

The first 2000 fixes of location table had the wrong summary... Don't edit while sick

[robust latch]

Btw you may have already noticed but still announcing here if you didn't: I am changing English categories to LL links. https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Fork&diff=prev&oldid=513609

I am adding categories to TR pages, might add to Italian, Polish and Russian in future but I wonder now that we will at some point have smth like 15+ languages added to the wiki, is there a way to add the extra categories automatically to the autogenerated language item articles? Because if not I will only help out Russian and Polish since they have both reader and editor traffic, and leave Italian and others.

https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Fork/tr&diff=513611&oldid=500081

[digital helm]

It would be possible yeah. Maybe we can copy the contents of the English one and just slap a 'translate' mbox

[robust latch]

While also keeping the translation base Calvy gave and automatically adding /xx to categories at the bottom?

Oh or the bot can run to LL'ify the categories in English pages, rgiht

Still I must admit I think the base structure of language items are looking good and isn't very daunting for new editors. I think hunreds of english pages slapped with trasnlate mbox isn't healthy

[quasi thunder]

https://tenor.com/view/larry-clash-royale-twerk-twerking-cl-gif-25874642

I'm happy

[digital helm]

Oh, I was talking about creating the categories. That we could do with a bot by copying the contents of the English category

I think using ll is fine for categories if it makes translating quicker and easier

[robust latch]

My past self included this is definetely the case

[digital helm]

This too though. I haven't had a chance to dabble with my bot yet. @proud cobalt might want to look at doing that though. Unsure if that'd be simple or not

[robust latch]

Oh, I mean creating categories is no problem, its the manual categories on the bottom that the script dont add to the pages themselves

In any case I will do this for Turkish and LL'ify the English links

And after I am done maybe even Russian too, then Polish

[digital helm]

ah, gotcha. Maybe it could be done by copying the English page, especially if they have ll. Maybe run it to change all categories to ll then copy it @proud cobalt

<@&1205891296565268520> we've updated the version of the skin on the wiki, which would've reset your preferences in the cogwheel menu, as that had a lot changes. You'll have to redo any changes you've made

[proud cobalt]

Should be doable, might look at it tomorrow, and changing cats to ll

[spark portal]

I now updated undeniable wiki to version 41.78.16 , new textures and all:
https://undeniable.info/pz/wiki/itemlist.php?sort=Version&DESC=DESC

[atomic valve]

Why did i get a tag from this?

[robust latch]

You are apparently a wiki editor, see your profile

Oh God

[atomic valve]

Can i remove that myself? Not sure why thats there..

[proud cobalt]

You have it selected in channels and roles

[digital helm]

You can remove it in channels & roles

[frail fossil]

I think it gives you the role if you choose for when you join the discord, I have that role too, and it annoyed me for a long time but I didn´t know how to remove it, until now.

[atomic valve]

Thanks guys! Take care!

[lucid junco]

Uhh

[frail fossil]

Sometimes this ping just troll me, expecting the thursdoid.

[atomic valve]

Yea it happens. Not super into discord so not sure now it all works yet lol

[frail fossil]

[digital helm]

is that vector 22?

[lucid junco]

Thats citizen

[proud cobalt]

citizen, auto mode

Dark mode works correctly

[mystic zinc]

I got tagged over this? Wha

[proud cobalt]

Youre in the wiki channel so you get wiki pings

[digital helm]

Oh, it's cropped

I'll look into it. Seems it's just for system dark mode

yikes

[quasi thunder]

[languid kayak]

I added it as a bot task; not sure if anything prevents it from being automated?

[languid kayak]

haha, was long overdue 😄 But bettr late than never 😛

[languid kayak]

Well, we do get monthly wiki summaries shortly after Thursoid too 😛

[spark portal]

i just noticed the foraging system has changed alot since i last saw.
im gonna re-do the function for reading that from game files and display that as well on undeniable.
looks like you get different items depending on various areas, traits and even occupation etc

[digital helm]

This should be fixed now. CTRL + F5 if it hasn't changed

[languid kayak]

yeah, it's eris' foraging being implemented after 41.65 I believe?

[buoyant forge]

@lyric lion See the #rules please

[lucid junco]

Mods in #pzwiki_editing ?

https://tenor.com/view/modcheck-discord-twitch-spongebob-looking-gif-21451454

[languid kayak]

I guess this is correct? https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Skill&curid=2183&diff=521767&oldid=472039

[robust latch]

Yes

[languid kayak]

suprising we have it unnoticed for some time 😄

[robust latch]

yeah, by the time I translated skills/tr it didnt occur to me wrong too

[languid kayak]

I think I saw that, didn't think too much about it either 😄

[spark portal]

i updated undeniable to read the new foraging format.
it was interesting to see the results.

all foragable items:
https://undeniable.info/pz/wiki/itemlist.php?wherein=forage&pn=1&cat=0&type=0&SEARCH=0

and was interesting to see you can actually FORAGE a big hiking bag with very high foraging level
https://undeniable.info/pz/wiki/item.php?Name=Bag_BigHikingBag#loc

[languid kayak]

btw, I noticed yo use an old PZ logo for undeniable 😄

old: https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:PZ_Logo.png
new: https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:PZ_Logo_New.png

[robust latch]

big hiking bag is indeed an interesting item to find

[languid kayak]

There are some items that can be obtained only through foraging now btw

[languid kayak]

I kinda reverted those edits before: https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Woodcraft_E2&curid=49409&diff=492907&oldid=490449 – I think linking to generic page would be better, especially as links seems not to exist now? @robust latch

[digital helm]

I've wondered if a dedicated page for each of those shows should be added. Then describe in more detail what all the shows are/add and when it can be watched on TV along with listing VHSs. Or if that'd be too much 🤔

[proud cobalt]

Started this with the bot, also ping @digital helm and @languid kayak

[proud cobalt]

Let me know if you know of, or see any pages in any of our languages that are total english or empty stubs. Even if we dont have an article translation we should be able to have the infobox with the right item name that updates

[lucid junco]

Being a burning?

[proud cobalt]

Looks like it should be burden

[lucid junco]

Probably

Though its still would be factually incorrect since she will only send Bob to hell if he smothers her at the very beginning

[proud cobalt]

I'm not sure ive never played it

[lucid junco]

Neither did I, but wiki does clarify that

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/'Til_Death_Us_Do_Part#Smothering

So Id say that it would be more correct to say "send bob to hell if he smothers her at the beginning or apologize for being a burden later in the game"

[digital helm]

Yeah it's 'burden'. She says something like "I'm sorry I've been a burden". Because she has a broken leg and has been slowing her down

[digital helm]

Oh, yeah "sorry I slowed you down" that's it.
The "see you in hell" was only at the VERY start, which almost no one did. You more likely to accidentally smother her by clicking on her with the pillow in an attempt to make her more comfortable. Since the pillow was in the wardrobe along with a sheet to bandage her wound.

[quasi thunder]

@proud cobalt, Can I just translate the article on the wiki or is there any difference?
#translations message

[lucid junco]

"Oh nice, a pillow to make Kate more comfortable"
Smothers her to death

[digital helm]

That was exactly the Dev's evil intention 😆

[digital helm]

This is to automatically generate all the item pages, which is intended to make it easier to translate. As all the generic stuff like 'header', 'infobox', etc., would already be added

[quasi thunder]

I'm talking about the infobox article.

I ask if there is a difference between translating an infobox or txt-document

[lucid junco]

Wiki translation .txt is used to generate articles

It only affects articles that will be made by bot

Infobox translation will affect all* pages infobox

Both that are currently made, or will be made

[digital helm]

Ah, nah you can edit the infobox directly. That was only included in the document for those not comfortable with editing the wiki, especially a template

[quasi thunder]

Ah, got it

[languid kayak]

crossed my mind too, actually

[languid kayak]

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Special:ShortPages

[languid kayak]

burden, yeah. You could probably watch some videos with the tutorial played out still (or download a free demo from back then :P)

[proud cobalt]

Oh thats a good place to start

Are we happy for me to mark currently abandoned language pages like this for deletion? @languid kayak @digital helm
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Wooden_Crate/de
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Spiffo's/cs

[quasi thunder]

Why can't some article be found through search?

[proud cobalt]

Do you have an example?

[quasi thunder]

But when I add the right article to the link myself, everything is ok

[proud cobalt]

You have to include Template: in the search

[quasi thunder]

Yeap, but where is the "item"?

😂

[proud cobalt]

There's lots of infoboxes

[quasi thunder]

As they say, whoever needs it will find it😂

[digital helm]

Search will only search the main namespace, unless you specify it. For searching templates, categories, etc. It's probably better to do advanced search, which you can go to by pressing enter without typing anything.
This'll take you to Special:Search

[quasi thunder]

Wow

[digital helm]

I'm happy with that. I think @languid kayak added them initially so the links would be translated. But I think having red links are better than a blank page, to avoid frustration from users

[languid kayak]

yup, go on

[robust latch]

I will

I left off with food category last time and there is this: https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Category:Perishable_food. @proud cobalt, seeing as 200 food items in this category, can the bot add {{ll|Category:Perishable food}} to the equivalents of these pages in other languages?

Also, perhaps more importantly, is the perishable food category here to stay?

[robust latch]

Thank you very much

[digital helm]

Yeah, perishable and non-perishable are here to stay. They're intended to help users find those food types. Arguably more useful than most of the other food categories

A secondary category, in the same way as we have wood, metal, and fabric materials https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Category:Materials

[proud cobalt]

All the categories are changed to ll now, but i havnt added the categories from the english page to the subpages, thats a little more complicated

At least they should be ^

[robust latch]

Bruh reaction to bleach in drinks categoryu

[quasi thunder]

Why not

[languid kayak]

just your regular drink 👌

I wonder if following build 42 liquid systems you will be able to drink petrol and hair dyes 😄

(I think you will)

[proud cobalt]

How many calories is petrol 🤔

[lucid junco]

7,887 kcal per litre

Roughly 10 burgers for yall 'mericans

[languid kayak]

huh, by removing empty pages we got a lot of broken redirects 🤔 https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Special:BrokenRedirects I guess we should remove them too?

[robust latch]

Yes lets burn those pages

[languid kayak]

you mean the redirects? The ones marked for removal are gone 😄

[languid kayak]

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Bowl_of_Ramen_Noodles this could use solving old crafting template, especially as it's auto-generated in other languages

or wait, actually it's just English + https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Bowl_of_Ramen_Noodles/fr

This category does not exist in English btw? https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Category:Autogenerated_articles_(B41)/it&action=edit&redlink=1 https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Category:Autogenerated_articles_(B41)/tr

and https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Kindling/fr

Actually there's more: https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?search="Crafting+header"&title=Special%3ASearch&profile=all&fulltext=1

this seems to be all in English too https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Player/de

Also, following the movement, there's tons of links linking to Items (probably more in non-English pages): https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Special:WhatLinksHere/Items&limit=500

[hearty quest]

Is the plan to have the Code section always formatted like a table? Example page: https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Stretcher_Bed

I do not think this is the appropriate way to display this data, and while the old code block style was maybe a little less readable to the average wiki user, it is by far a more useful way to show the data to modders and people learning to mod

Maybe I'm wrong, but I also don't think a table could even handle all the definitions lol, is it really a flat key value pair system? I feel like the format supports arrays and sub-objects

[proud cobalt]

Correct, doesn't need to exist in English

[proud cobalt]

Tile 'code' works entirely different to items. You can check these values in TileZed

[flint vapor]

As a modder myself, ik some items can go with a fuck ton of tags, notably guns lol

A flat way of showing seems impractical

[proud cobalt]

This is how we show code for items. What they posted is for tiles

[lucid junco]

Can editors remove excessive tags?

There is no reason to have all of them in some cases

If a bed isnt a container, then whats the point of showing its capacity, position, freezer capacity

Or that it emits light

[flint vapor]

Ah ok nvm

[lucid junco]

Most of the tags go either into infobox or code snippet

Or both

[proud cobalt]

Manually yes, though there are 700ish pages. Im looking at a new way to parse the file and have made more progress than last time

[tender frost]

i want to write an article about which zombie functions syncs and what doesnt but i dont know how to use the wiki
i only know how to edit pages

[lucid junco]

You can just copy another page entirely and edit it to your liking

If you know how to edit, you definitely know

at least basics of page creating

You can also look on other pages and pick out things that you like, then copy them to your page

[tender frost]

how do i add page?

[lucid junco]

you can also use the sandbox page for testing things

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/User:[[your user name]]/sandbox/[[xxx]]

[languid kayak]

Like other said, it's for tiles/movables only. I think we could figure displaying it somewhat else, so the scrolling bar is acvoided @proud cobalt? More verical than horizontal.

[languid kayak]

if values are free, I guess? Though ideally it'd be automated. script files omit entries that aren't present either (in that case, e.g., where weight is not defined, it defaults to default value), only some fields are mandatory there. Not sure what happens with tiles, but I think default values are applied too? That's why some disassemblable tiles use(d) carpentry for moving and results in wood after disassembly

[languid kayak]

See https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Help:Creating_a_new_page – screenshots are from old skin (I'm gonna update them, somday™ unless someone beats me to it, since we have a new skin version now), but the info should still be correct

[languid kayak]

Going back to this @digital helm you think we should remove the broken redirects? https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Special:BrokenRedirects following the removal of pages? Though they'd have to be manually recreated when page is created, and I'm 100% sure we won't remember it all that by the time it happens

item/tiles redriects are done automatically nowadays, but the regular pages are all manual

[digital helm]

Oh true... These ones wouldn't have game translations, so maybe we should keep them? The item list pages shouldn't be too long before they get added, but pages like Cortman Medical may never get created 🤔

Maybe we leave the list pages (Item, Electronics, Vehicles, etc.) but delete the rest?

[languid kayak]

as in these will get automated shortly?

We already removed duplicated items btw, but If we'd automate the item list that could save us some trouble as some item lists are terribly outdated 😄

[digital helm]

Yeah, I've been working on getting the lists autogenerated

[languid kayak]

This is entirely in English, nuke? https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Weapons/zh-hans

@digital helm there seems to be something wrong with the tooltip for ammunition in https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Template:Legend_firearm it shows default=Ammunition for me

[proud cobalt]

Looking like we might have Spanish soon, just waiting on some more translations

[digital helm]

I guess so 🤔 but it also doesn't do any harm, plus the {{title}}. Should have the translate mbox though, at least

[digital helm]

I'll make note to take a look at this. On mobile now, so can't see tooltips

[languid kayak]

would be nice, Spanish was one of the more active languages

[languid kayak]

Removed it now

[languid kayak]

There's something wrong with includes in https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Weapons/es#Cargadores – seems it included firearm magazines, but now it includes magazine disambiguation page. The page fell out of date due to recent changes for Weapons though

[robust latch]

Yeah I remember back then it was my main competition

[languid kayak]

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Vehicle_maintenance/fr seems to be English-only too

As well as https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Vehicle_maintenance/uk

and https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Vehicle_maintenance/zh-hans

[languid kayak]

This one's outdated but links are terribly wrong; pages point to stuff like https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Журнал_«Посібник_з_ковальства_1»/uk&action=edit&redlink=1

This one broke somewhat; with no link everywhere

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Material/uk

[languid kayak]

I changed the icon and color of https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Template:Deletion following the plan to use in-game icons/images for https://pzwiki.net/wiki/PZwiki:Mboxes – feedback is welcome if anyone has a better idea for color or icon!

[languid kayak]

All the animated item icons are replaced by the new cycle-img class 🎉

The only remaining things remaining to remove at the moment are https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:Dashboard_4043.png and https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:Leftsidehud.png from https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Controls/tr and new wiki admin images listed in https://pzwiki.net/wiki/PZwiki:Tasks#One-time_bot_tasks

[languid kayak]

What is this car? https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:Base.ModernCar_ez.png

Is there any point keeping these? All are unused (if you haven't figured already, yes, I'm cleaning https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Special:UnusedFiles again)
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:PZ_Bachelor_Pad.png
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:Sandbox_Options.png
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:Trailer_Homes.png
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:Custom_Recipes.png
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:Burnt_Church.png
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:Lamp_on_Pillar_Article_Img2.png

[languid kayak]

Dash Elite it seems

Do we need these types of screenshots showcasing an item? There's more in the pages, these ones are not used currently
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:PoliceCrashHelmet.jpg
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:PrisonJumpsuitKhaki.jpg
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:SurvivorMagnum.jpg

[languid kayak]

huh, I always though it was CalvyBot forgetting to remove the newline after removing == Summary == or the File uploaded with MsUpload, but it seems it was @digital helmbot https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=File:JacketSantaRed.png&diff=127429&oldid=99149

[robust latch]

Removed them from controls/tr to make way for deletion

[digital helm]

Looks like it doesn't transclude a firearms page like the English one. The firearms for Spanish are all on the weapons page. https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Firearms The English one transcludes the Ammo to the firearms page, which is then transcluded to the weapons page.

[digital helm]

That would've been from the move from {{Tr}} and {{T}}

[digital helm]

I think the icon is good, but the colour doesn't really say "DELETE" to me. I get that the colour is to match the icon, but should it remain red for this?

[digital helm]

It's a model in the files that has the doors which can be opened

[languid kayak]

can go back to red, especially as I changed red in some other mboxes

[digital helm]

No point keeping them imo

[digital helm]

I don't think so. Especially the magnum one, which you can't even see. If we did, I think they'd need to be cropped a lot. Or have the screenshot from the info screen

[digital helm]

That was something that AWB did when adding categories. I guess that was the standard for wikipedia?

[languid kayak]

as in adding empty line on the top? Well, we do not have them elsewhere, so when I add new categories I'm removing them 😛

[digital helm]

It would leave an empty line before adding a category. I guess it didn't check if there was any content, and it just assumed there would be

[languid kayak]

in comparison, Vibrance's bot edits were not adding it 😄 https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=File:ShortsLongAthleticBlue.png&diff=176327&oldid=101079

[quasi thunder]

is "onlyinclude" superfluous here or what?

[languid kayak]

it's for including in the items page

see https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Transclusion

btw @proud cobalt when you'll have some time, there's some image to replace in https://pzwiki.net/wiki/PZwiki:Tasks#One-time_bot_tasks – that'd be the last things from https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Category:Pages_requested_for_deletion for now (before I move to tiles)

[quasi thunder]

But it doesn't seem to be closed

[digital helm]

In that case it doesn't seem it's needed. Either <onlyinclude> is used to wrap the content you want to be transcluded, or <noinclude> is used to wrap the content you don't want to be transcluded. Looks like noinclude is being used there instead

[languid kayak]

are you sure it's not closed at the end of the page though?

[quasi thunder]

Possibly. But the location is kind of strange. However, I can't check now

[proud cobalt]

I suppose i should count myself as a contributor to project translations 🤔

[proud cobalt]

What's our end goal with the item pages. Do we want to expand to all game supported languages? Do we want to only start with languages that have had a start on the wiki? Would we include Japanese, which was last maintained as far as I can tell <2014? Just wondering when i should slow down.

[languid kayak]

you can point me a link to the page, I'll check too when I'll have time next time 😄

[languid kayak]

yup 😛

[languid kayak]

As far as Japanese goes, We had contribtor back in 2023 it seems https://pzwiki.net/wiki/PZwiki:News/2023#Japanese, but nothing major yeah. IIRC there's a separate Zomboid wiki in Japan, similar with Chinese (the chinese gets more love though), as people are not font of the western internet and they use something different than MediaWiki.

Other than that, we can add all languages that were created, as per the table in https://pzwiki.net/wiki/PZwiki:Project_Translations

I generally added whenever they were existing pages or people who wanted to contribute

There's a Finish speaker and some guys wantint to improve finish translation popping from time to time, but apparently finish translation is based on some machine translation and is of low quality.

Oddly we have had one Afrikaans editor, but the game isn't playable in Afrikaans IIRC, the translation files are there but incomplete

and Argentinian Spanish is mashed with regular Spanish, as there are two translations in game. Doesn't make it easy.

Was the case with pt/pt-br before it turned out all the pt ones on the wiki were pt-br, similar with chinese prior to splitting

[quasi thunder]

Here https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Weapons

[quasi thunder]

This is some kind of chaos

[languid kayak]

It's ending near the bottom of the page;

{{:Explosives}}</onlyinclude>

[quasi thunder]

Got it

[quasi thunder]

Usually, it stands at the beginning of the text it affects, but in this case, it is placed at the end of the text, to which it has no relation :/

[languid kayak]

nah, it makes only the text between <onlyinclude> and </onlyinclude> to be included

[robust latch]

Hey @proud cobalt, I dont know if this was talked about before but would it be possible to add a distribution table for annotated maps? Could this be possible, are they technically acting like regular items? ,

If the process is something complex, thats completely fine as this is low priority I'd say.

[quasi thunder]

Yes, I know

[proud cobalt]

They could be built manually, currently the script doesnt make them (and i have no idea how they work). I'm looking to refresh the distributions in B42 as i expect changes and fixes and (hopefully) some cleanup

Wait

That was a total lie

I have distribution files for each item id. so Base.MarchRidgeMap Base.MuldraughMap Base.RiversideMap Base.RosewoodMap Base.WestpointMap Base.LouisvilleMap1 to Base.LouisvilleMap9

[proud cobalt]

Let me know where you want these to go ^

[proud cobalt]

I've updated the wiki bot updater script so that it will fix names unless the id starts with Base.VHS_ or Base.Disc_. Could someone that knows more about these explain how they get their names? Is it the other id? Where are these names stored? @robust latch @digital helm I think have spent the most time with them 🤔

[languid kayak]

I think Ksilem tested that each map can spawn only once; kinda like VHS I guess?

[languid kayak]

Aren't those the regular maps though? Not the annotated ones?

[proud cobalt]

Those are the ids used on the annotated maps page. I assume each map spawn has a chance at being an annotated map? Along with all the other ruels that go into spawning them

[languid kayak]

I'd think so yeah. May require deep dive to the code

[digital helm]

I'll have to get back to you with more detail, but it uses an XML (I think?) called something like rec_media.xml, which has an item_name value, which is an ID that maps to the translation.

It might also use subtitle ect. But I can't remember

[flat sun]

i don't remember the full detail but it's a massive structure of nested lua tables

at least the vhses are, i don't remember ever seeing where discs were handled

[digital helm]

Yeah it's Lua. XML is the radio data.

@proud cobalt Here's a description of it I sent to Ksilem some time ago

If you use both recorded_media.lua and Recorded_Media_XX you should be able to get the correct, and consistent naming.

In recorded_media.lua every line has an id:
itemDisplayName gets the name that the item is displayed as, and used in the infobox name
title + subtitle would be the page name. So we need to do title + subtitle
For Albert Wellen QC (and presumably other items) the subtitle is the same translation id as "VHS: The Moderators S2.01".

So, you would need to parse recorded_media.lua, then translate the IDs parsed from that with Recorded_media_XX. For python, the output you would be something like:

# this is just the parsed/translated data
media_data = {
    "itemDisplayName": 'RM_f369383a-ebf1-49bd-8b5f-b8d8c6f3c2b7', # translated: VHS: Albert Wellen QC S2.01
    "title ": 'RM_5b05e367-fef3-497f-9ae9-af1796b7aa35', # translated: Albert Wellen QC
    "subtitle ": 'RM_222a5eeb-8eab-4138-bc65-56bc5c94f7df', # translated: S2.01
}

name = media_data.get('itemDisplayName')
title = media_data.get('title')
subtitle = media_data.get('subtitle')
if subtitle != 'nil':
    media_title = "{title} {subtitle}"
else: 
    media_title = title

So for Albert Wellen QC S2.01 before translating IDs:

name = RM_f369383a-ebf1-49bd-8b5f-b8d8c6f3c2b7
media_title = RM_5b05e367-fef3-497f-9ae9-af1796b7aa35 RM_222a5eeb-8eab-4138-bc65-56bc5c94f7df

After translating those IDs:

media_title = Albert Wellen QC S2.01```

[languid kayak]

I think blair mentioned somewhere a year or so ago that more items will use similar stuff, I guess literature. I think it's the same mechanic annotated maps use, though I might be mistaken? Not sure about mods too.

[proud cobalt]

Hmm interesting. Looks like something that could be parsed. I'll have to look into this so I can remove the blanket ban on editing VHS and cd pages

[proud cobalt]

Likely newspapers and such I assume. As there will be lots of variants

[robust latch]

I am thinking about a location table in https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Annotated_Map would be fine. The fact that they only spawn once on a single container or zombie makes them Home VHS-like so idk what result could the bot provide. Btw I must ask are those map id's annotated map id's?

[robust latch]

It would be recorded_media.lua file I reckon

[robust latch]

Oh you already answered this, mb lol typed before reading below

[thin cloud]

This should be the Elvee arena, Elvee as in "LV" (Louisville) https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Eluee_Arena

[proud cobalt]

Fixed and added to trivia 😄

Also moved images and fixed navbox

New version of item id dictionary on gdrive now. Includes the latest splits

[languid kayak]

thanks for noting! Makes much more sense 😛

[robust latch]

Finally saw a corpse in a trunk

[digital helm]

I was going to look at it too, for updating and translating the transcripts, but didn't get around to it yet. Something that parse it so we can grab the data we need would be ideal. Like the item parser

[proud cobalt]

Congrats! Buy a lottery ticket too

[proud cobalt]

Spanish pages going up 🎉

[lucid junco]

Got that 0.00 something %

Remember finding the corpse on the backseat of Derry

Thought I was misremembering things untill Ive checked the loot table

[quasi thunder]

I don’t understand why not just make all links to articles through {ll|} instead of []. Also, I don’t understand why sometimes when a link with {} is written in lowercase, it doesn't get translated and appears like, for example, weapons/uk. So I have to write some links with an uppercase letter, and then write the translation after | in lowercase. This defeats the purpose of {ll|} :/

As a person who can't help but optimize everything around, it hurts to look at this😭

[proud cobalt]

The more ll is used the slower the page loads

[quasi thunder]

What? Why?

[proud cobalt]

Template usage has to be processed by the parser every time a page loads, this takes time from the server to process. There's also a limit of what the parser can process which was the issue we ran into using ll for navboxes

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Post-expand_include_size

We saw an average increase of 1.5+ seconds on every page load when using ll for every link in Navbox items

[quasi thunder]

[[]] is not a template?

[quasi thunder]

Damn

[proud cobalt]

Nah it's not

[quasi thunder]

😩

[proud cobalt]

[[]] is wikitext which is a markup language

[quasi thunder]

Understood

[proud cobalt]

Spanish up

[languid kayak]

won't do; he already used up all his luck 😄

[languid kayak]

btw @robust latch another page with images to replace would be https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Vehicle/tr

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:Tow-a-Car-PZ.jpg (replaced by https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:VehicleTow.png)
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:Siphon-Gas-From-The-Gas-Station-in-PZ.webp (replaced by https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:VehicleGas1.png)
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:Fill-The-Car-With-Gas-in-PZ.webp (replaced by https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:VehicleGas2.png)

(Actually, thinking it through, I should have hovered over options for the text to appear 😩)

[proud cobalt]

So the item id is wrong, as this editor has found. As in game the code uses moveable while the american spelling is movable. I will fix the item Ids now but which do we prefer for in article?

https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Cash_Register&curid=51903&diff=541789&oldid=425449

[proud cobalt]

Also Sarah got back to me with translations so pt-br items should go up today

[digital helm]

Been mixed up with that one before 😄

[proud cobalt]

This makes things interesting #translations message

[quasi thunder]

I don't understand who and how will be doing the translation...

[proud cobalt]

A company will be paid to provide the translations

[quasi thunder]

The game is growing

I hope it turns out well, and not so the translation will be done by people who are not connected to the language in question at all

[lucid junco]

It surely wont be worse than what we have now

Russian translation used to be so horrendous, I dont know how someone looked at it and went "yep, thats good enough"

Bass (fish) - Басс
Sun fish - Рыба(fish) солнце (sun)

It was thankfully fixed by former translator, but tv / radio station translations are still plagued by what feels like a bot translation

Or else I dont know how can you interpret "run" as "going somewhere" in
"Hi my name's Frank Greene, and I run Greene's Grocery."

[quasi thunder]

Well, since the translator community is essentially no longer needed, they could transition to wiki (those who are not yet translating articles).

Especially since, when b42 is released, half of wiki will become outdated.

[languid kayak]

I was surprised the feedback generally positive, people are often very pessesive about community stuff, but some languages were long overdue to be updated, and all that remembering of existing translators is really nice!

[languid kayak]

Posting it here for those that missed it btw; really good info by Ksilem that was tackled in the loose discussion before! Also pinging @proud cobalt just in case you want more insight on the annotated maps: https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Talk:Annotated_Map

Also, I saw someone mentioning https://projectfluent.org/ for the translations news this thurstoid, leaving it just in case too

[languid kayak]

I think those are supposed to be random? https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Radio&curid=227&diff=492377&oldid=491891

[tulip kiln]

We cool with me adding the new official art to the St Peregrin page? Because you can see the hospital map on the wall above the crawler saying St Peregrin

[proud cobalt]

I'd be happy with that

[proud cobalt]

Is this a case of supposed to be random but actually isnt

[lucid junco]

They are

Just like with AEBS

Though now someone changed it, Im unsure if they are

[languid kayak]

why not? Here's the full res https://projectzomboid.com/blog/content/uploads/2024/09/image-115.png

[lucid junco]

Wow, b42 looks amazing

[woven portal]

is it just me or is this ai-fied

not entirely ai but definitely involved

[lucid junco]

Your brain is ai fried

Though the more I look at it, the more I see things that are off

[woven portal]

its definitely been fixed and there are elements which were drawn (i think) but stuff like the background survivors, the pills on the floor, the zombies, the guns, its all wacky

its got that softness ai images got

this was comissioned by indiestone, not inhouse, so whoever they comissioned used ai i reckon

could open them up to trouble if its copyrighted

[lucid junco]

The guy is all off

The backpack, mp5(?), his hands and face

[woven portal]

that fog in the back

[lucid junco]

But the gun looks really melty

Just because m16 is in fog doesn't make it suddenly loose its distinct look

And the pills are.. There for some reason?

They haven't fallen out of the package or the bag

Im curious whats that map on the wall

[tulip kiln]

I dunno if that'd point to it being AI, the artist was probably just thinking of how to make the floor look more trashed and so they drew a bunch of pills lying there ors omething

[tulip kiln]

St Peregrin's map.

[lucid junco]

No, I can read

But I haven't seen it anywhere before

[tulip kiln]

Yeah I don't think they were basing it off an ingame asset or anything, it's just that the artist probably thought to include a map of the hospital on the wall

[woven portal]

its not that one thing, its the combination of things

all put together it looks very suspect

as i said, its defo not entirely ai drawn but it looks ai "assisted"

and the bag of "meds" looks nonsensical too

cant point out anything, why would an artist draw unrecognizable blobs

[tulip kiln]

I dunno, is this channel rlly the place to be discussing that though? And also maybe you're right, but also what if you're wrong? I'd kind of feel like a dickhead just randomly saying that about somebodies art

[woven portal]

its not, but I was pointing out my concerns

In the day of ai imaging, its a valid concern, especially when it looks that suspect

The artstyle between the faces of the survivors is incosistent, the zombies all have that noseless default zombie look, in addition to the earlier stuff

its gonna be indiestone in trouble if this turns out to be ai, cause of steams policy on ai assets

[tulip kiln]

Well I doubt it was AI since they've had this artist for quite a few years now

[woven portal]

how do you know who it was comissioned from?

[tulip kiln]

I don't know who they are. Just that when someone asked, Nasko said this was the same artist behind the artwork of Baldspot standing on the car.

[woven portal]

did he? didnt see that in the blogpost so

[tulip kiln]

Said it over in news discussions.

[woven portal]

Well, its their thing, hope it really wasnt ai and im plain wrong

[proud cobalt]

Meanwhile, we’ve also commissioned a load of new art similar to our primary ‘Bob on Car’ image that everyone knows so well.
Implied pretty heavily in thursdoid. The people at TIS are smart enough to create their own Ai art, rather than commission it.

[woven portal]

"comissioned art similar to" is not "comissioned the artist who made"

anyway, i saw naskos message in the discussion

also, they literally said they comissioned it, what do you mean "rather than comission it" lmao

nvm i misread,mb

[quasi thunder]

Hey. I noticed that such pages(infobox/navbox) are usually not translated completely, but only this part. So I have a question, do I need to translate all, or just this?:

[proud cobalt]

Just this, then call the normal template. So you'd use
{{Infobox item
Rather than
{{Infobox item/uk
And it will automatically translate

[quasi thunder]

Not quite understood... Should everything else not be translated at all, or is there simply no need for it?

[proud cobalt]

No, there's no need to translate anything else

[lucid junco]

@languid kayak

[proud cobalt]

Like this
https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Template:Infobox_item/es&action=edit

[robust latch]

100k words mean 80k or so are purely recorded media and TV&Radio channels right?

[lucid junco]

Now that we have a sample of whats to come, what do we do with adverts like this

[robust latch]

So far the plan is to create and categorise flyers

But we have to see all of them to make a foundation or understand how to start

[quasi thunder]

Alright, this significantly reduces the amount of work. But I hope I won't miss anything important this way. However, if anything comes up, I'll let you know😉😉😉

[quasi thunder]

Is it necessary?

[robust latch]

no

[proud cobalt]

No only copy the how to translate part

[lucid junco]

Its actually more than just an leaflet/advert

It also reveals the location of the place on the map

which is useful

[lucid junco]

Just checked it - only aebs is random

[quasi thunder]

Huh? what does it mean?

And this

[proud cobalt]

Its for food, whether something is better eaten hot or cold

[proud cobalt]

The chance of the durability of an item going down

[quasi thunder]

Ааааа! okay, cool, thx

[karmic plank]

I noticed the Adaptative Traits section in the Trait page was a little lacking, so I divited the "Strenght/Fitness" table into 2 and also added a new table in the weight paragraph for better visualization

I also did the same thing for the Brazilian Portuguese page, which also contained old traits in the list and didnt have the Gallery section

I'm not sure if I can just do all that, I'm kinda new here, what do you guys think?

[quasi thunder]

I finally translated 'infobox itemʼ, but I have a feeling something is off. Can someone check if everything is functioning as it should?

#translations message I mentioned it yesterday

https://tenor.com/view/larry-clash-royale-twerk-twerking-cl-gif-25874642

[naive imp]

Hi yall, you may have noticed that I've dropped off the face of the earth lately. I figure I owe you an explanation. I'll just keep it short.

I've lost my job extremely unexpectedly and have had to go into panic mode. I've scaled back a LOT of stuff. I do still want to edit the wiki, this isn't a farewell, but I will be on hiatus for some time. I will edit my user page to reflect this.

I would also like to retain leadership of Locations and Maps, I'll be back. Just figured I'd let yall know what's up.

[robust latch]

Good to hear from you and sorry for your job situation man. Hopefully it all turns out well for you in the end.

[robust latch]

I think you can %100 do that, why not?

[languid kayak]

what about it? We have rural farming confirmed at Irvington from precious blog (also Irvington name cofirmed again)

[languid kayak]

no worries and no rush, take care!

[proud cobalt]

Looks good to me. I put @robust latch's addition inside of the documentation template too. It shows english atm but i think thats cache. It shows the correct translations on pages

[karmic plank]

I need help editing a header in the wiki

This yellow header in the Brazilian Portuguese wiki basically says "This article needs to be translated" but the problem is that it on itself has a spelling mistake ("presisa" instead of "precisa"), but I can't fix this on the edit page button, and also all pages with this header have the same typo. Anyone know where to fix this?

[proud cobalt]

It's on the template page. Here's the link
https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Template:Translate/pt-br&action=edit

[karmic plank]

awesome! just fixed this, thank you very much!!

[proud cobalt]

No problem, this was the translate template. You'll find we use many template for repetitive uses

[karmic plank]

that's cool, where can the other templates be found?

[proud cobalt]

Theres a large amount of templates. Theyre in the template namespace and start with Template:

[drifting seal]

Wondering if I should expand into a sub-section of modding for Python modding.

Oh darn. I thought my JabBot account was still registered as active.