pzwiki_editing

[lucid junco]

ON DAY 0

And fucking dies july 10th

Only a day into the game

[digital helm]

I used to heavily agree with what you're saying, but I've been moving to the other side (not just for tiles).
My main point for not splitting them, was for maintenance. But these things are getting automated more and we have a lot more regular editors now, so it doesn't feel like much of an issue anymore.

The main points I see for splitting are:
It can make it easier to document and for the reader to locate information about a specific variant. Since variants can have different properties (weight, capacity, distribution tables, locations), having a separate article can help readers find exactly what they're looking for without having to sift through the unrelated details, and a bulkier article.
Having separate articles for each variant can also create a sense of completeness/professionalism for us and the reader. I think it's similar to documenting a codebase, where having separate pages for the ColorBlue, ColorRed, ColorGreen item properties could be bundled together, having them separate avoids any confusion, making it easier to find specific details quickly, despite their functional similarities.

For tiles, we were looking at keeping a "meta" article, then have an individual article, which is either barebones, or contains info specific to that article.

Ultimately, I feel like the individual articles is better for the reader, whereas splitting is significantly more cumbersome for editors and managing the wiki. So splitting is the ultimate goal imo. Many other wikis are splitting articles regardless of how minor it is. Fallout is my favourite example for most things, they have a separate article for every single item and character, regardless of how insignificant it is. And to me, it appears to be more complete. See their chairs https://fallout.wiki/wiki/Chair_(Fallout_4)#Settlement_Objects

@proud cobalt too
(sorry for the wall)

I'm only talking about moveables here btw. Something like a "Tree" I think should be 1 page.

[languid kayak]

I'm thinking of more splitting for sake of what undeniable wiki was and Discord bots for example (That' why I wanted redirects for tile IDs or games like Guild Wars having in-game wiki commands, though mainteneance with wiki bota is valid point too

without splitting pages they are prone to errors too (we discusswd wrong distributions for generator mag in electronic mag with Vail just yesterday) I have yet to fix it too. Though while it's sane for movables, for tiles we can skip most.

[digital helm]

confusing me with the terminology of tiles and movables now but, yeah. non-movable tiles, I think could be bundled into one page. Unless we find a reason to split them 😄

It's because of how the script works. The transcripts have a "day" attribute, which always starts at 0 for different groups of transcripts. The script changes day 0 to 9th July 1994. I would've just forgotten to remove the date for ones where they come later. I would've kept day 0, as I have no idea what date it actually starts, but to signify that it comes before day 1, etc.
Here's the Jonas one

          <LineEntry ID="d773f352-3c27-4459-975a-a61802008c9e" r="0" g="176" b="80">Hello? Hello?</LineEntry>
          <LineEntry ID="6d3b2581-0412-40ac-b8c1-3e04d6024f9d" r="0" g="176" b="80">Is it working? Can you hear it in there?</LineEntry>
          <LineEntry ID="94ad3083-f41a-464c-9afb-bfce4abdef87" r="0" g="176" b="80" codes="PAN+1,FEA+1">Okay cool. </LineEntry>
          <LineEntry ID="78d63e8c-fd90-4fc4-8538-73ff6ec39206" r="0" g="176" b="80" codes="PAN+1,FEA+1">My name is Jonas. Jonas Underwood.</LineEntry>

lol the spiffo bot 😆

[lucid junco]

He saw the Hello

[digital helm]

I also left it there so someone could add it if they found out

[lucid junco]

Its not a day 0

It makes no sense at day 0

[digital helm]

it's just that ScriptEntry block. It'll always start at day 0. But the parent block ChannelEntry I imagine determines the actual start date and the order of them

So my guess would be that after the normal LBMW show ends, day 0 would be the next date. But I haven't verified that

[lucid junco]

It would overwrite the 9th of july broadcast

if day 0 is 9th of july

[naive imp]

@lucid junco for now u say just stick em in the same page until I get to them, I'm tackling Louisville this month so I'll get to em in time

[lucid junco]

I could do them myself, it aint that hard

But Im a bit confused with how to name it

[naive imp]

If they're both named "office" then you can just assume they're a chain and stick em in the same oage

[lucid junco]

They have different logos

[naive imp]

Ah

[lucid junco]

https://map.projectzomboid.com/#12777x1707x2130

https://map.projectzomboid.com/#12486x1970x7363

[naive imp]

I mean it says the same thing just different colors

I don't see the harm in putting them together

God why does Louisville have to be so difficult lol

[lucid junco]

Because its BIG

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Seahorse_Coffee

Updated

[naive imp]

Nah blud just gotta nuke like half the city

Solve the problem

[lucid junco]

There is a noticeable template that was used

https://map.projectzomboid.com/#12610x1897
https://map.projectzomboid.com/#13117x1596x4418

Why are there so many seahorse cafes

in CL alone

[digital helm]

no, day 0 is only 9th of July for the first ScriptEntry block in ChannelEntry. That being July 9, was just leftovers from the script, that didn't get removed manually. I've removed it now.
The structure is

<ScriptEntry> <!-- LBMW broadcast start --> </ScriptEntry>
<ScriptEntry> <!-- Jonas broadcast start --> </ScriptEntry>
<ScriptEntry> <!-- emergency broadcast start --> </ScriptEntry>
</ChannelEntry> <!-- LBMW channel end -->```

So it'd play LBMW first, then after that finishes, it plays Jonas, then Emergency. The "Day 0" just means 'this is the first day of this broadcast entry'. I just don't know when after the first broadcast they actually start.

I was mistaken, the script gets the timestamp attribute for the start date https://github.com/Vaileasys/pzwiki-transcript but timestamp=0 is always day=0

[digital helm]

unless it's init_infection this seems to get skipped

[lucid junco]

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Seahorse_Coffee
Updated locations 2.0

Just noticed that there is Seahorse Coffee inside of the train station

and St. Peregrin Hospital

Burgers - 12
Seahorse -15
Zippee - 17
3 businesses with highest location count

As of B41

[naive imp]

Well Starbucks is everywhere so checks our

[lucid junco]

Spiffos -15*

[lucid junco]

Central L can take an award for having so many unnamed businesses

And so many chain buildings

Around 50% of Seahorse are in Central Louisville

[serene sage]

like how the devs have come up with a ton of cool names for different stores and franchises yet there’s just some random franchise simply named “Burgers”

11/10 lore

[lucid junco]

Another useless fact: reloading guns inside of the car gives less xp than on foot

[serene sage]

why

that makes no sense

I’ll debug it later

[lucid junco]

Lemme check it w/o mods

[lucid junco]

It does not

I just got unlucky

Xp gained upon reloading seemingly varies

However

Loading and unloading a mag has the same sound effect like a revolver

For some reason

Thats even more useless

[serene sage]

the video’s broken?

[lucid junco]

Its 21 mb

[serene sage]

it’s 0 seconds long for me

[lucid junco]

Big vids require good wifi for ds to process properly

[serene sage]

wow Canadian cellular networks are garbage then

full bars

5G network

and they can’t process a 21MB video

[lucid junco]

Ill compress it

brb

[lucid junco]

Revolvers dont have this issue though

[lucid junco]

Try reloading ds if you are on mobile

it can be quirky with large vids

[serene sage]

nope

I also checked

[serene sage]

this slightly larger gameclip I recorded works: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1054555321185616003/1236470478831620116/2024-05-04_19-47-57_-_Trim_-_Trim_-_Trim_-_Trim.mp4?ex=665db31e&is=665c619e&hm=acbbb166cf4505bf1a29448bc19bfb41d644cef03701dc93c3f2f4b14479a71a&

[serene sage]

works now for some reason

[lucid junco]

Compressed it

[serene sage]

this wasn’t compressed though and it works

weird

[lucid junco]

Anyway

Main takeaway is: Every mag has a different loading and unloading sound inside of a vehicle

God knows why

[lucid junco]

You kmow whats weirder?

There is no entry for his speech

nor for EB speach

This is the last entry

Oh no

I think something is wrong

Its july 30th

And there were no Jonas lines

Whatsoever

He didnt apear after Jackie's death

[serene sage]

for some reason Jonas’ report gives the player some stress/panic/fear

once he becomes LBMW’s main host your character can no longer listen to the channel in peace

I don’t know how he’s scary to the player but I guess it’s just some useless info about the game

[lucid junco]

So does Hartnell's speach on NNR

last entry

[serene sage]

mm hmm

also the first episode on TURBO makes your player angry and hungry

no idea why

[lucid junco]

And exhausted

[serene sage]

right

[jaunty torrent]

From Mocow with love. Mocow Russia - how are you comrades? how is Iron Curtain 2 going ?
A bear and a rabbit are in the woods, the rabbit asks the bear, how do you wipe your ass, the bear says, let me show you, and picks up the rabbit and wipes his ass.
Funny yes.

[lucid junco]

And fatter

[serene sage]

reddit mod speedrun in pz

[lucid junco]

And you gain boredom

[serene sage]

I mean

I would be bored

celebrity stuff is pretty boring to me

[lucid junco]

Jonas
Unknown Frequency
Pastor James Hartnell

3 scariest things in pz

[green crest]

WHATS GOING ON IN THE VIDEO WHAT AM I HEARING?

[lucid junco]

Average superB survivor gameplay

[serene sage]

uhh that’s the CDDA zombies and doom zombies mod thing together with the spawn rates cranked to max

it’s peak PZ masochism

[serene sage]

🅱️

[lucid junco]

@languid kayak @digital helm

Why is it Churn R Us

If its clearly ChurnS R Us

Oh

Because its inconsistent

Why do you have I'm and I am

WH

WHY

Why would you change ice cream to ices

or vice versa

That makes no fucking sense

https://tenor.com/view/pee-panicking-what-terrified-gif-15348578

[languid kayak]

Better late than never, the message is updated with a short summary from @naive imp too! https://pzwiki.net/wiki/PZwiki:News#May_2024

[languid kayak]

Yeah, except maybe Well and Firearms Fireplace, everything not encompassed by Movables (Furniture) and Construction should be tetriary. Will require some moving and redirecting but I guess we're fine going back to calling them Furniture for the most part, accepting floor tiles being "Movables" 😛 Should help us separate the "Tile" page too

[languid kayak]

https://tenor.com/view/borgir-gif-22149357

[languid kayak]

for some reason sharpgolden's videos don't work for me embedded, I have to download them and use local player to play, then they work fine. Using canary discord on browser.

[languid kayak]

might be codec? Lavf60.3.100

(webm)

[languid kayak]

yeah, this works embedded, I guess webm container works worse than mp4 for whatever reason

[languid kayak]

seems it was a test to test those values

[languid kayak]

yeah, we did mention it (Vail did IIRC) when Pat asked for feedback…

Here's the Churn question @lucid junco #pzwiki_editing message

And here's the others #pzwiki_editing message

[lucid junco]

@languid kayak Is there a way to chech which buisnesses Ive done?

I feel sick from thinking that I'll have to manually do it

[languid kayak]

icons?

[lucid junco]

logos

icons

whatever

@languid kayak @naive imp Also, how bout using adverts on some of businesses as logos?

Mainly

Instead of

[languid kayak]

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Special:ListFiles/Sharpgolden

Reverse is true, there are some logos that are not yet converted in https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Special:ListFiles/Ikip

[naive imp]

Eh, I don't think it's a good idea, especially not in this case. With the advert I can hardly see the roam o part of Pony roam o

[lucid junco]

Aight

Now its time for me to slowly go insane

while trying to fine unfinished logos

[languid kayak]

you can browse Ikip's list of files for those

[lucid junco]

In tile zed

Without white bg

"Hey, why wont we make every sign have same name?"
"Wouldnt it make it too convenient?"
"...Yeah, you are right"

Joking ofc, but since tiles have different names, I will have to check every tilesheet

@languid kayak @naive imp Huh

Where should I put this?

[naive imp]

It's a sign found in the game files but is unused

Fort Knox ain't here yet

Dint worry about it for now

[lucid junco]

Ill leave it in tilesheet

[languid kayak]

We have it here: https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:Welcome_to_fort_knox.png – I wonder why it's in tiles, Fort Knox was last teased long time ago, for past 1.0

Made a basic page, would require verifying distributions and adding codes https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Football_(throwable)

(and verifying the model is the same)

[lucid junco]

Interesting that its inside of the church tilesheet

[languid kayak]

it seems it's unused too

[lucid junco]

361/423

[languid kayak]

@digital helm I'm having a second though browsing the https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Special:UnusedFiles I think maybe we should get part with the Hydrocraft icons I guess. Too much clutter/maintenenance I guess.

[lucid junco]

Isn't the fort knox the one that us currently sitting in the lv outskirts?

https://map.projectzomboid.com/#15444x1319x10136

[languid kayak]

probably not, the location is wrong and the layout is too.

[languid kayak]

Okay, with ThinkDock and Mid sending the writeups, here's the revised May 2024 summary 👀 https://pzwiki.net/wiki/PZwiki:News#May_2024

Is this needed? Is it a duplicate? Pinging @proud cobalt for that https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:Trousers_Model.png

@serene sage https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:BuildingstoryBandPractice.png is this needed? A duplicate? It's unused

Same goes to https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:TableStoryDinner.png by @lucid junco

[serene sage]

oh no I think I forgot to make the article for "Band Practice"

no wonder why it's unused

https://tenor.com/view/skinenr-gif-20761908

[languid kayak]

I actually mentioned it briefly, but I think it was in a private conversation that the randomized stories could use a navbox

[serene sage]

oh no I have to go back to the survivor stories article to add it in

I have to go look in the game files again
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1075144185910403154/1246949591425745028/OH_NO_tu_wTvstWcw_-_Trim.mp4

[proud cobalt]

Same concerns as Vail what counts as furniture VS movable VS tile. I kind of like tile if not a little too technical

Each type of natural floor would be good

[languid kayak]

What I think is:
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Tile being a general article defining the definition of tile (range mechanics, one tile – remember some movables are multi-tiles), Tiles being a redirect for it.

Then calling every movable "Furniture", as that's how they are called in-game (see screenshot).

For carpentry items that are pickable, they are called furniture too (see screenshot), for things that aren't pickable we have construction nabox (and categories) anyway.

For things like Well and Fireplace, an articles doesn't have to be classified as either Furniture or Construction, the tile can be also mentioned in the text

Then tiles that aren't either consctuction or pickable won't have article until they actually are.

Tiles like generator, televions, radios, traps, etc. are generally considered items.

[serene sage]

welp the randomized stories subproject rose back from the dead but I finished the Band Practice article so it's dead again

phew

[proud cobalt]

I'm mostly with you, it is easier to maintain split pages now, especially since I can do CodeBoxes and things automagically.

A user who wants to know about chairs is going to look up chair. It's not helpful if they search chair and get "Blue lazy" or "Orange modern" etc. They just want to know how chairs work.

OTOH a player that wants to design their base will be looking for specific colours and styles. So they do care about those pages existing. What we've been calling meta pages, are super important to the first players, and the split very technical boring ass tile pages are important to the second user.

[proud cobalt]

Yes I think this is the way to go

[languid kayak]

I guess that's why https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Category:Disambiguation_pages are for? We'd have a disambiguation for chairs

[proud cobalt]

I'm happy with this if we add an about to the top of both articles

[proud cobalt]

+1

[proud cobalt]

If there's already a model on the pants page feel free to remove it. It was one of the first models I ever did so I don't remember

[proud cobalt]

This would be good, people reading survivor stories will likely want to read others. That's how I always ended up down wiki rabbit holes

[proud cobalt]

Yep I'm happy with this, and your addition beneath, I just think an about at the top of the article would be good at least while people adjust to the change

Well I imagine we'd have a meta article for chairs like the ones Sarah has done
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Fence

[digital helm]

Yep, better explanation than me 😄 exactly this

[digital helm]

+2

[digital helm]

Yeah, having "Chair (disambiguation)" and have the "Chair" page line to it.

But then it may not be needed? Since we'll list those pages on that page anyway. Would the about notice create unnecessary clutter here? 🤔

[digital helm]

Weird... Maybe it's not in? Or there's something else we're missing? I think this was always the case for the Kanibals one, but I'm sure I've seen the Jonas one before 🤔

[proud cobalt]

Things should settle down for me come Sunday hopefully I can get back into editing

[languid kayak]

Maybe today maybe not depending on how much time I'd scrape, but I guess we're at the point where the templates from https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Category:Pages_requested_for_deletion could be finally deleted, so if anyone needs anything from them (especially translate ones), now's the time. I'll start with the old navboxes first. Pingin @proud cobalt and @digital helm for the final look, but anyone is free to!

[digital helm]

I'll take a look tonight (was meaning to do it yesterday). Happy for me to delete them if I have the time, and think they're good to go?

[digital helm]

All good. I'll probably be the opposite. Won't be very active this weekend

[proud cobalt]

I think we're good now that we have temporarily solved the load time issue with navbox items @digital helm

[lucid junco]

Holy shit

Spiffos has so many signs

Too bad that @digital helm had remade logo before me

I found missing logos

Hooray

[digital helm]

The one I did was just cropped from the vehicle texture. Feel free to replace it, it'd be much higher res

[lucid junco]

With which one?😄

[digital helm]

is the no background more like most others?

[lucid junco]

There is a green bg one and no bg

[lucid junco]

can be seen here

[languid kayak]

yeah, speaking of Spiffo's I removed the emote from the chain store page: https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Spiffo's&action=historysubmit&type=revision&diff=391363&oldid=356001 (it was misinterpreted as an item, it's a emote used e.g. on Steam instead) here as part of yesterday's first iteration of clearing Spiffo page:

I think no point in listing every Spiffo as it's all in Spiffo's today

Was thinking whether to trim the gallery even further? After all most things are already on theothetr pages

[digital helm]

yeah, but aren't most signs without a background? If so I'd go without

[lucid junco]

I cant say

I made so many of them so they are all blurred

[digital helm]

I think what's in the gallery now is fine and relevant. I have no idea what the Spiffo's test kitchen is though

[digital helm]

looks like a mix... so flip a coin 😄 https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Category:Logos

[lucid junco]

Its easier to straighten one with bg

Ill go with it

@digital helm @languid kayak Same story here

I'd straightened the no bg one

[digital helm]

yeah, the first 1 has a lot less going on

[lucid junco]

Since other make my eyes bleed

[lucid junco]

What bout other logos?

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:Seahorse_Coffee_logo.png

With this

[digital helm]

yes, replace this one

[digital helm]

Anything that's low res, should be good to go

[distant osprey]

Hello everyone ! Small question. How can I change these text ? 🤔

[lucid junco]

Sorted n updated

[digital helm]

There's a bunch of infobox templates https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Category:Infobox for that one it'd be https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Template:Infobox_trait

[proud cobalt]

Were they made translatable i dont remember

Oh yes i did nice

[digital helm]

looks like it

[distant osprey]

Perfect thanks, imma translate the infoboxes first then 💪🏻

[digital helm]

Infobox item is a big one. So let me know if any issues

[lucid junco]

@languid kayak @digital helm Help

Which one looks straighter?

[distant osprey]

second one

[digital helm]

they're the same, one is more angled at the top and the other at the bottom 😄 flip a coin

I don't see any problem with cropping it

[lucid junco]

384/423

@digital helm @languid kayak

Why cant I move it

[digital helm]

because there's already a page with more than 1 revision. It's a redirect. https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=C.G.E._Corp&redirect=no

I'll have to move it and delete it

done

[lucid junco]

Thanks

[digital helm]

You can replace pages so long as they only have 1 revision (the one to create the redirect)

I've updated the navbox link already too btw

[lucid junco]

@digital helm @languid kayak @naive imp https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Greene's_Grocery

Why is it Greene's Grocery?

Oh

[digital helm]

my guess is the ad

but going off that it'd be "Greene's Grocery Store"

[lucid junco]

Grocery Store is what it is

Greene's is who owns it

Though

Inconsistency

[digital helm]

true. Just saw that too

oh well, that'll do 🤷

[lucid junco]

We will have to ask devs about this one

[digital helm]

@thin cloud hope this is the "lore" inaccuracies you were hoping for 😄

Greene's Grocery Store and Greene's now redirect to Greene's Grocery, problem solved

[lucid junco]

Fuckin hell

Not only wiki editors struggle with &, + and "and"

😄

Star -R-plex

Barge -N-Clothes

I hope someone mentioned it before

[thin cloud]

Fixed all these. Also logos take precedence over radio text. The cinema is StarEPlex, but we have it on the radio as "Star-E-Plex" only because that's how it's "pronounced".

[lucid junco]

So is it Greene's Grocery, Greene's Grocery Store or Greene's?

[thin cloud]

Just Greene's

[lucid junco]

Aight😄

@digital helm

[digital helm]

Thanks Pat

[lucid junco]

That also means "Churns R Us"

Sorry, Churns-R-Us

And that means mod have to remove redirect and move it

[digital helm]

@naive imp @languid kayak in case we find more

[lucid junco]

Both for Greene's and Churns

[digital helm]

will do it in a minute

[lucid junco]

Huh

�

Which advert is it?

Haha

[digital helm]

it's the tm icon

[lucid junco]

It doesnt show up

[digital helm]

hmm, probably an encoding issue, so the game doesn't display it

Guess I'll update those transcripts

[lucid junco]

Anothir thing to note

(and fix on wiki)

[digital helm]

@lucid junco shouldn't it have been moved to Churns-R-Us? as per logo

[lucid junco]

You see

Churns-R-Us is a redirect

[digital helm]

gotcha, I'll move it

[digital helm]

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Golf_#14
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Flight_Training_#6
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Our_world_#9
@robust latch These vhs tapes have a # in the title, but since we can't use # in a link or page name, they will only link to the name prior to #, e.g. Golf #14 is just Golf. These links also can't be translated.
What do you think about moving these to not have the #? So Golf #14 will be Golf 14. Or should we leave them as Golf?

Either way, we'll have to update links in the navbox.
@languid kayak too

We'll have to use DISPLAYTITLE too

[distant osprey]

Okay, now I progressed a bit on Infoboxes, but I have another question. How can I do for French to look like English infobox trait, I mean the color for points and negative type ? I guess there is some other code to translate into french for it to apply ?

[digital helm]

Looks like it's hardcoded based on if it's "Negative" or "Positive". So we'll have to look at the best way to fix that

what's the translation for Positive?

[distant osprey]

Alright, I guess the green one add a + in front of the number if it's detected as "negative" only

[digital helm]

I'll add a temporary solution

[distant osprey]

Positive = Positif
Negative = Négatif

[lucid junco]

Le gain

[digital helm]

should be working now

We'll figure out a better way to do it later. But that shouldn't affect translating at all

Here's the change if curious https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Template%3AInfobox_trait&type=revision&diff=391613&oldid=333829

[distant osprey]

Yeah it's working perfectly. Thanks 🙏🏻 🥰

Don't hesitate to tell me when you change it and if I need to translate anything related to it

[digital helm]

Will do. Thanks

[naive imp]

Hey @distant osprey, since you're French, is there some sort of reference or idiom regarding the name "Club Pamplemousse de la Croix"? I'm curious

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Club_Pamplemousse_de_la_Croix

[distant osprey]

Not at all, as far as I know. I guess it's just to make it sound like kind of snobbish, pompous 😂

[naive imp]

Ok lol

I thought grapefruit of the cross was kinda weird 😂

[digital helm]

There's a brand of drink called La Croix, which has a grapefruit flavour. Maybe it's RJ's favourite drink 😄

hah, that drink isn't even French... made in the US

[distant osprey]

Yes it is, even in French it sounds kinda weird tbh 😂

[naive imp]

Should we ping a dev lol

[distant osprey]

Yeah I knew this drink but yes, it's not french, that's why I don't get it

[naive imp]

Wtf moment

[lucid junco]

I think its a Los Fartos de Mademoiselle Geline moment

[naive imp]

Tf does that mean

[lucid junco]

Or "Logo in french because its cool" moment

[serene sage]

https://tenor.com/view/stw-gif-19540525

[distant osprey]

Nope this is "Les Tartes de Mademoiselle Céline" and so translated as Miss Celine's Pies

[lucid junco]

Ik

But I was barely able to read it the first time

So was pretty confused and read it as Los Fartos

[naive imp]

So I found this guide going through site maintenance, I feel like guides like this don't fit on the wiki anymore, and we've kind of moved away from guides as a whole.

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Buying_and_running_a_Linux_Project_Zomboid_server

@languid kayak @digital helm what do yall think?

And others too 😀

[serene sage]

yeah seems a little awkward as the whole guide is written informally while the rest of the wiki is done in a less “personal” tone

[naive imp]

Last major update was in 2015

[serene sage]

https://tenor.com/view/old-man-gif-4679601

hilariously old article

then again PZ’s an old game

a decade of development and still in “early” access

[serene sage]

“deep out keive”

tf?

[lucid junco]

assembled this one

"Keep out, dead inside"

[serene sage]

makes me think of the new signage in b42

they should make the letters in the signs rearrangable

[lucid junco]

@digital helm Which one should I use?

[digital helm]

It doesn't help that it's outdated and even the "more up to date" one is outdated and directs you to another one 😄

But yeah, I agree. The style it's written in is a "forum" guide (which is exactly what it is).
I think some kind of guide for running a server on Linux would be good to have, but this one appears outdated and written in the wrong style

Same goes for other 'guides' in a similar style. We have steam and the forum for that type of thing imo

[lucid junco]

The biggest one has some dirt on it

[digital helm]

Middle one?

[lucid junco]

Its a bit dirty though

[digital helm]

All look the same to me. And I'm on mobile, which doesn't help

Ah, I see now. One of the other 2 then?

[distant osprey]

Middle one for me too seems good ^^

[digital helm]

Eenie meenie miney mo?

[lucid junco]

Its fucking over

Ive lost a tilesheet somehow

I dont know how

I dont know why

But its not there

Thankfully Id presumably saved all logos from it

[serene sage]

https://tenor.com/view/biden-gif-18905218

it’s joever

[lucid junco]

Its really joever

I dont know how to react

[naive imp]

😀🔫

[serene sage]

how much stuff was on the sheet?

[naive imp]

[lucid junco]

I dont fucking know😭

I dont remember

[serene sage]

damn

[lucid junco]

28 logos

At least

[serene sage]

so basically a day’s work?

[lucid junco]

Not really

Since I do have all of them straightened out

safe and sound

(In between Fun23ChildCare.png and RJonsonOfficeBuilding.png)

[serene sage]

so what’s the tilesheet meant for? I’m a naive idiot when it comes to PZ tiles

[lucid junco]

This is a tilesheet

It has every logo and everything that is associated in it

Eg, St.Peregrin hospital has 2 logos

But since we use only 1 of them, other stays on a tilesheet if someone needs it in the future

[serene sage]

I see

thought you lost the actual logos

[lucid junco]

Yes

And I will need to reassemble the tilesheet from the scratch all over again

[serene sage]

oh

anyway how did I get demoted to Recruit

I swear I was builder two days ago

[lucid junco]

On the bright side

Its almost over

Im presumably finishing up the last tilesheet

[serene sage]

does that count the missing sheet?

[lucid junco]

Thats what you get for stealing my job/j

[lucid junco]

Ill finish it later, since all of the logos on it are presumably done

[serene sage]

really? what job?

[lucid junco]

Survivor stories

[serene sage]

no one told me

here

have a spiffo plushie

[lucid junco]

I was planning on finishing it later™

[serene sage]

ehhh don’t worry I finished the whole thing so you might as well move on /s

[lucid junco]

394/423

.. or 394/401

@digital helm @languid kayak How can I find out if its over?

[lucid junco]

403/401

Its over

Its finally fucking over

https://tenor.com/view/crying-gif-21701106

[serene sage]

how’d you go over 401

[lucid junco]

I dont fucking know

Dont ask

The counting is fucked up

[serene sage]

well congrats on finishing the logos

[lucid junco]

@digital helm @languid kayak Also, why only Bob Smith has a nickname?

Doesnt Bobby Collins have a "Raider" nickname?

[languid kayak]

I think withouit too, yea

[languid kayak]

not sure we want to keep the other in gallery straigthened or tiled? And if the latter, one or both?

[languid kayak]

I wonder, is Spiffo's test kitchen actually used for something? Is it just a testing tile or was it supposed to be something in-game?

[lucid junco]

https://map.projectzomboid.com/#12706x1608x10107

[languid kayak]

Barge I mentioned, yeah, good find with Star-R-Plex!

[languid kayak]

I moved some in the past; unless you already did we need to make some moving it seems 😄 I used to hunt down redirects too, though these are low priorities (and I do fix double redirects when I have some spare time, these are easy to do)

[languid kayak]

Name the page "Gold 14" and add {{DISPLAYTITLE:Golf #14}}?

[languid kayak]

guides used to have no rule for formal tone but yeah, some are really outdated by now

[naive imp]

🫡

[languid kayak]

I got mine rank changed to a lower some time ago too; maybe some changes were made to leveling?

[languid kayak]

not sure it's "nickname"?

[languid kayak]

Is it an Easter egg? Or some kitchen to test something as in ingredients etc? Though with the lore/joke the zombie virus came from Spiffo's burger meat it'd still be weird 😄

[lucid junco]

Dont think so?

Like its a HQ

So its probably a testing kitchen for new recipes or something like that

@languid kayakHow did you give yourself a backpack in character creation

[serene sage]

I think he enabled "starter kit" in sandbox settings

gives you a backpack with some food, water, and weapons

either that or he enabled "all clothing unlocked" from sandbox settings which lets him pick whatever equipable items he wants

[serene sage]

interesting; why would they need to change the levels?

[lucid junco]

https://tenor.com/view/why-didnt-i-think-of-that-gif-27711265

Ofc

thanks

Updated Outfits

[lucid junco]

Now Kate, Baldspot and Bob look like they should

Hopefully

Having rgb colors in 0-1 format throws off things a bit

[languid kayak]

@serene sage you wrote in https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Band_Practice "The zombie will be wearing a bathrobe and possibly a shower cap and/or slippers." – is it just one zombie spawning or should it be zombies (plural)?

[serene sage]

looks like I didn't change that part of the article, whoops 😄

I'll fix it now

done

it's now plural, and also the description is fixed as well

[languid kayak]

@naive imp I saw you marked https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:Dogs_a-flamin_does_not_exist_in_Project.Zomboid.v46.60.png for deletion, do we need a note that the location is not present too in https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Dogs_A-Flamin'#Trivia ?

I guess it should go? A similar note was present in https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Summer_fair&diff=next&oldid=375975

I guess I'll go with removing that trivia

Actually, I noticed you reworded the note 🤔 https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Dogs_A-Flamin'&type=revision&diff=391643&oldid=353837

I think it was added in the last map export?

I also wonder, since business like that got a sign, whether some businesses would get a new sign, too 🤔

[languid kayak]

It's just in gallery, but you may want to adjust the https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:Knob_creek_hunting_lodge_logo.png in https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Knob_Creek_Hunting_Lodge#Gallery too @lucid junco

[languid kayak]

Some missed ones for you too, other than the https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:Knob_creek_hunting_lodge_logo.png :

• https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:Bail_bonds_sign_logo.png (not so bad actually)
• https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:Carton_and_sydney_law_services_logo.png (wasn't categorized before)
• https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:Commander_publishng_inc_logo.png (not so bad either)
• https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:Haircuts_n_more_logo.png (not so bad too)
• https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:I_love_wok_and_rolls_logo_sign.png (some white left)
• https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:J_tinsley_elementary_school.png (wasn't categorized either)
• https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:Lectromax_manufacturing_logo.png (not bad either)
• https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:Lb_louisville_bruiser_logo.png (alternative logo that was straightened)
• https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:Mccoy_logging_co_logo.png
• https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:Pony_roam_o_riding_trails_lessons_ponies_billboard.png (alternative one, not so bad either)
• https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:Romero_center_for_the_performing_arts_logo.png
• https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:Speedy_legal_logo.png (not terrible one)
• https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:Tattoo_42_sign_logo.png (passable, but could be better)
• https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:Welcome_to_muldraugh_elementary.png (not terrible either)

Also for some reason this one was straightened; not sure we need that version? https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:Hitchhikers_may_be_escaping_inmates.png

[proud cobalt]

Didn't even consider this. Glad someone caught it eventually

[languid kayak]

oh and minor nit @naive imp as per https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Emma's_Eatery&type=revision&diff=391899&oldid=391709 since I think you missed a message, we decided some to not omit File: in gallery to make life easier for bots. etc following a MediaWiki advice that @digital helm found

[naive imp]

HOW DARE YOU TELL ME WHAT TO DO REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

ok

Thanks faal 💙

[languid kayak]

Also getting tired and not gonna add this myself but I guess we should mention and include the tiles → furniture renaming somewhere in https://pzwiki.net/wiki/PZwiki:Project_Seat_Yourself_Furniture @proud cobalt 🤔

[proud cobalt]

I'll look at adding it today

[languid kayak]

okay, I did some catching up, now to catch some 💤

[serene sage]

on the Mccoy's Logging Co. page, it says that characters witht he Lumberjack occupation are employees of the company, but are we sure? i don't think I've ever seen or heard that this profession makes you an employee of the company (as useless as that info may be). Should we just remove it because it seems to just be a generalization someone randomly put in and not an actual verifiable fact

[serene sage]

turns out the "Bullet" outfit can just spawn wherever it wants

doesn't seem to be limited to any specific location

welp thanks for the free military bulletproof vest

[digital helm]

Yeah I think I'll go ahead with this

[digital helm]

There might be more to it. Does picking the occupation spawn you in any McCoy logging locations? Or spawn a McCoy vehicle outside your house?

Regardless, I think it's a stretch to assume all lumberjacks work for McCoy logging

[serene sage]

nope

not at all

you just spawn in a “broke” person’s house

like a trailer home

[digital helm]

I'd probably remove it then, but add the occupation to see also

[lucid junco]

I was sure that Ive uploaded all of them

[lucid junco]

I can't find the white logo

[lucid junco]

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:Bail_bonds_sign_logo.png Done
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:Commander_publishng_inc_logo.png Done

@digital helm @languid kayak Wtf does that mean

I know that its an exact duplicate

I WANT TO UPDATE IT

[proud cobalt]

It's just a warning, if you're sure its correct select ignore warnings

[lucid junco]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/774620580527079424/1247446159182659665/2024-06-04_12-03-58.mp4?ex=66600e44&is=665ebcc4&hm=46740dea49962515400439b95dc5ffae2fe490298811684f0bb1c3f94d3b8929&

[proud cobalt]

It looks correct to me

On my end

I'd say let the cache update

[lucid junco]

Lemme delete the cache real quick

[proud cobalt]

I believe its server side cache

Heavy caching

[proud cobalt]

#pzwiki_editing message

[lucid junco]

AIght

[proud cobalt]

Its frustrating but you just have to wait

[lucid junco]

I want to get it over with, so I am a bit impatient

[languid kayak]

That's regular non-debug vanilla save?

[lucid junco]

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:Speedy_legal_logo.png Done
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:Haircuts_n_more_logo.png Done(?)
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:Tattoo_42_sign_logo.png Done
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:Romero_center_for_the_performing_arts_logo.png Done
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:Mccoy_logging_co_logo.png Done
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:Lectromax_manufacturing_logo.png Done
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:J_tinsley_elementary_school.png Done
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:I_love_wok_and_rolls_logo_sign.png Done

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:Lb_louisville_bruiser_logo.png Done

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:Pony_roam_o_riding_trails_lessons_ponies_billboard.png Done

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:Welcome_to_muldraugh_elementary.png Done

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:Knob_creek_hunting_lodge_logo.png Done

Found it

Finally

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:Carton_and_sydney_law_services_logo.png Done

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:Hitchhikers_may_be_escaping_inmates.png Done

And thats it

https://tenor.com/view/moist-critical-gif-18538102

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Muldraugh_Elementary/sandbox
@languid kayak Bringing this up again, why didnt this idea pass through?

[digital helm]

@languid kayak just brought this up with me 😄 I missed the discussion, but I'm all for it. My only concern was the multiple location pages, but the screenshots aren't on there anyway. @naive imp I think was against it?

[lucid junco]

I don't think that it was intended for multiple locations businesses

Maybe something like a Deerhead Park ranger would be good with it

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Deerhead_Lake_Park_Ranger

[digital helm]

Wow! Awesome work with that. You were the only one of us that could do it!

[digital helm]

yeah, so my only issues with it aren't even relevant, so I'm on board

I added the multiple images to the location infobox for this reason, in case it was wanted

[lucid junco]

Since it isnt a chain business, but a big location

[digital helm]

yeah, things like that and the golf course I imagine

[lucid junco]

Camp busy beaver and summer camp too

[digital helm]

Faal mentioned them being different dimensions makes it a bit more annoying to cycle, since the height changes. But we might be able to do something so the height is static. Otherwise re-crop/screenshot all the images again, making them pixel perfect

[lucid junco]

I dont think that its that annoying

Something like a general shot can be further away to encapsulate its surroundings

But floor shots should be closer, since they are more about whats inside of the building

[lucid junco]

So we use an even worse to cycle gallery

[digital helm]

It would be nice if we could toggle walls

in the map i mean

[lucid junco]

It definitely would be

[lucid junco]

You dont realize how badly walls hide interior of the building untill you need to look up something

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Buffet

Isnt it Buffet All U Can Eat?

I found a letter board template

[digital helm]

you're a child 😆

[lucid junco]

Im curious who is R. Hutt

[digital helm]

no clue

[lucid junco]

@digital helm Can this be considered as a Kitten Knives advert?

[proud cobalt]

Sounds like an infomercial which would be an add

[digital helm]

yep

It's a sponsor of the cook show https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Life_and_Living_TV#timestamp_3240
And a late night infomercial, as Calvy said https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Life_and_Living_TV#timestamp_1440

[lucid junco]

I think infomercial can be listed as an advert

While Sponsorship will go into trivia

[digital helm]

yeah. some of them seem to just be ads re-used for the timeslot

[lucid junco]

Is it a product advert or a Company advert though?

Seems like both

[lucid junco]

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Kitten_Knives
Updated

[digital helm]

it's advertising a company's product

[digital helm]

looks good 👌

[lucid junco]

@digital helm https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Adverts
Is coherent enough?

[digital helm]

not sure if it's the way it's written or my brain rn, but I'm struggling
Other than that, the whole "since developers said that logos..." can be removed. Logos taking precedence over radio text would be a wiki style guide, rather than trivia. It's just an explanation of 'why' they differ in transcripts and the logo

[lucid junco]

So just

[digital helm]

I'd leave out the 'error' too, and just be that it can be attributed to how it would be pronounced

If there's errors, let Pat know

[lucid junco]

I dont think something like Star-R-Plex is a pronunciation thing

[digital helm]

no, but it's fixed as soon as 42 goes to iwbums

that's just what I would do, but leave if you wish

[lucid junco]

Aight

[languid kayak]

those are shipped in-gamw ainxe 1.x era 😛

[lucid junco]

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Greene's
Trivia added

[digital helm]

@languid kayak @naive imp I've adjusted the location/business names to the style guide after Pat's clarifications https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Help:Style_guide#Page_titles

[lucid junco]

Im still a bit confused about this one

Oh wait

Im just misremembering

I thought there were "-" in on both sides of E

[digital helm]

I thought so too, until looking at it again yesterday

I think because of the yellow bar at the back

StarEPlex may not be a great example... since it doesn't follow normal capitalisation rules

[robust latch]

This has flexibility when it comes to translations imo. I have a method when I am approaching to translate (or not translate) businesses

[digital helm]

yeah, I'll add that

thanks for pointing out!

[robust latch]

You are welcome !!!11!

[robust latch]

So redirects will be removed and navbox should be fixed.. is what i am understanding out of this?

[lucid junco]

Are they randomized?

[robust latch]

"Golf 14" is fine.

[lucid junco]

It seems defined for me

[digital helm]

[[Golf #14]] would just link to Golf because the # links to a section on the page. So it's trying to link to a section called 14.
I've left the redirects. So [[Golf]] will link to Golf 14 which'll be displayed as Golf #14

navbox I've changed to [[Golf 14|Golf #14]]

[robust latch]

I see. And now that we dont use llon navbox items its fine to use pipes

[digital helm]

yeah

[digital helm]

some are at set times, but there's a list of adverts that are chosen at random before a show

the random ones are the ones that were on the adverts page

the rest should probably be added too

[lucid junco]

Ooh, thats why they are listed separately

[digital helm]

you'll notice there's a "advertCat" attribute. This corresponds to the ID for a block of adverts.

seems to just be one for tv and another for radio

[digital helm]

this could be adjusted to mention that some ads are played at set times

[serene sage]

yup

[lucid junco]

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:93.2_LBMW_Bilboard.jpg
How do I mark something for deletion?

Or should I just go with .jpg

[serene sage]

how’d they change the sign within the zone

it says “keep safe kentucky”

[lucid junco]

Wdym

[serene sage]

it says "keep safe kentucky"

so it would have been changed during the event

[lucid junco]

Not really

It can be a slogan

[serene sage]

maybe

not something I would pick myself

but Kentucky's a weird place so I won't question it

[lucid junco]

It can be a Jackie Jaye slogan though

She is the only one who says it

Each time

[serene sage]

maybe

we don't really get to hear any of her broadcasts before the event though

[lucid junco]

@digital helm @languid kayak Should we change the quote?

Trust Us is probably a slogan

[digital helm]

I'd stick with what we have. Yeah it's a slogan, but not a quote. I think it should be the most 'slogan-like' quote

[lucid junco]

Last thing for today, what do you think about something like this for spiffo's ad section?

[digital helm]

personally not a fan of using <gallery> outside of a gallery. One image using thumb is fine though

[lucid junco]

I just didnt want to bloat Gallery even further

[digital helm]

i get ya, but if they're all relevant, it shouldn't be a problem. So long as there's space, we can use thumb more often

There's only 7 there now, so if you had 1 to the advertisement section, then 1 more to the gallery, there's only 8

[digital helm]

@proud cobalt I've added/changed the bot task for the building multi location template https://pzwiki.net/wiki/PZwiki:Tasks#One-time_bot_tasks
Let me know once done and I'll add the link to the template instead, and remove the old parameters

no rush with this obviously

[lucid junco]

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Summer_camp_(Valley_Station)
Page created

[digital helm]

Am I imagining things, or did there used to be a survival story for this location, like the hockey psycho?

maybe it was just a wish

[languid kayak]

Seems not backed with anything, you can change it to likely, though a source would be nice lol. I'll take a look later if I find some time

[serene sage]

I've already changed it, as per Vail's suggestions from earlier

[lucid junco]

Friday 13th reference?!

But no

Its any living room or kitchen

[digital helm]

maybe when I first heard about this one, I thought it was at that camp

[lucid junco]

I mean

Film(and the game) did happen in summer camp

Sounds reasonable

[distant osprey]

Some people are giving me a little hand for the French wiki ^^ I'm glad we can make it up ! 💪🏻

[serene sage]

like what Ksilem said, the English article for health is in fact being translated into French

The French are invading see here: https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Health

I'm also not sure how we can tell ContUpsilon that he's translating the wrong article

Ksilem seemed to have informed them on their talk page but it's probably going to be a while until they notice

[distant osprey]

Wtf Oo

Can we undo this ?

[robust latch]

https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Health&action=edit&oldid=347251
This will be copy pasted once our friend finishes annexing editing the page

[serene sage]

yeah, but if we don't inform the editor they might think we're erasing their work

[robust latch]

Stealing the humour from Mid

[distant osprey]

Nah I'm informing him in DM, he probably did somehow of a missclick I suppose

You can undo it

[serene sage]

cool

phew

[distant osprey]

I already translated the Health in french so, idk, he failed doing something

[serene sage]

sounds like the French translation might need to be a subproject of project translation

considering how many people are working on it now

[lucid junco]

@distant ospreyHow do you deal with categories?

[distant osprey]

I'm kinda managing it, it's ok, I'm reading after them

But I didn't noticed they changed an english page -_-

[distant osprey]

What do you mean ?

[lucid junco]

These

Do I just add/xx?

[distant osprey]

I guess yes

I didn't even try to translate category pages yet ^^'

I don't even know if it's possible 😅

[distant osprey]

I'm really sorry about that mistake, it shouldn't happen again ! 🙏🏻

[serene sage]

don't worry about it, had a good laugh about the English sentences being overwritten with French 😆

[lucid junco]

Where can I look up names for cars and other objects in game?

[serene sage]

like the IDs or the in-game names?

[lucid junco]

In game names

I dont fucking know how Franklin Valuline is translated in vodka drinking language

[serene sage]

hmmm

yeah no clue 😄

"Франклин Валулин" or something

I don't think it's translatable

[lucid junco]

Its literally transliterating

[serene sage]

so it's basically gibberish in Russian?

[lucid junco]

Not really

Its as much gibberish as Водка transliterated into Vodka

You just take letters that sound roughly the same and use them to make something that sound similar to the original name

[serene sage]

right

but

does it mean anything?

other than referring to the van

[lucid junco]

I think its just a name of the Type of van?

Idk

[distant osprey]

In French to be honest, we didn't tried to translate vehicles name, we let them as it is. It's like in real life, we don't translate vehicle from non-French manufacturers

[lucid junco]

So you leave them in english?

[distant osprey]

Yes

I mean, it's like if you tried to translate in your language Lamborghini Diablo

[serene sage]

yeah that's basically what I was gonna say

sometimes it's transliterated

sometimes it's left alone

[lucid junco]

But.. I would? I always heard and written car names transliterated

Holy shit, russian font sucks ass in game

[lucid junco]

Close enough

[serene sage]

huh

who knew

[lucid junco]

"Excluding Zone"

[lucid junco]

"These guys.. they wont let us drive through"

Didnt know that Denise is a reference to ryan gosling

[serene sage]

https://tenor.com/view/drive-gosling-i-drive-nightcall-gif-6272351900556304946

hmm this reminds me of the google translated woodcraft episode I did yesterday

[serene sage]

found it

Woodcraft July 9th, 1993

Real Estate:.    Everyone is watching Woodcraft!
                 Home warehouse!
                 We do it today.
                 Bookshelf
                 You will need five plates and four screws.
                 Hold the hammer like ... a
Below:           * Pang Bang *
Real Estate:.    Yes, today we are talking about people.
                 I like the quiz, what about you?
                 People still like bars. They like beer
                 <Meat>
                 Are you a friend?
                 Want to build a fence?
                 They say. So ... from the corner.
                 It has four plates, four nails and sharp fingers.
Below:           * Pang Bang *
Real Estate:.    Yes, Jay, they are all here.
                 If the city? Grocery store?
                 Also: four sticks, four pounds.
Below:           * Pang Bang *
Real Estate:.    Relax ... it's over.
                 I need another drink
                 Experience the new world of wood carving
                 Until we meet again
Please check:    ♪ Wood ... art!

[lucid junco]

Please check

[serene sage]

Real Estate.

< m e a t >

also no idea how google translate was able to reference Greene's Grocery and Jay's Chicken

[distant osprey]

Could anybody tell me why when I upload a .gif the overview is animated but when I use it in a page, it doesn't work 😦 ?
Nevermind, upload might have bugged, I reupload it with a new name and it works ^^'

[proud cobalt]

Will do, should be a pretty simple find and replace

[proud cobalt]

I think this is easier because we use the same Latin letters rather than Cyrillic or something like Arabic

[distant osprey]

Yeah I was thinking the same afterwards, I was like "yeah but cyrillic might not let it as it is with latin letters". You are right

[proud cobalt]

Yeah I have no idea how Arabic handles it being right-to-left too.

[distant osprey]

Same tbh 😅

[proud cobalt]

I am but a simple monolingual

I did French for 6 months in school coming on 10 years ago

[distant osprey]

I guess it was really hard, wasn't it ?

French being my mother language, I already find it really hard, so I can't imagine the hell it is for foreigners.

[distant osprey]

@digital helm sorry for pinging, there is still some "problems" with the red Negative. It won't work on moodle pages 🫤
I guess it will be the same for green Positive

A small question tho, how are categories filled up with pages ? I noticed that it probably isn't automated, I almost translated all the infoboxes, still only one appear on the https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Category:Infobox/fr so I was wondering 🤔 (the only one I haven't translated yet)

[serene sage]

I think there are two ways a page can be categorized

1. if a certain "mbox" (the dropdown boxes at the top of a large majority of articles) it will automatically assign them to a category containing all the pages with that mbox

2. A page can also be categorized into categories based on the red navigation row thingy at the top of all articles (not a dropdown)

also I forgot one more

3. A category can be manually assigned to a page with [[Category:]] with the category name placed right after the colon

[distant osprey]

Ooh! Fine thank you for clarifying. So maybe I should use the 3rd option?

[serene sage]

yeah, if you need to put the page in more categories you use that; if it's just one category it's best to use a red navigation bar to have it automatically assigned

[distant osprey]

Alright, I will check this out tomorrow, thanks

[digital helm]

Rather you ping me than not 😄
I'll take a look at this and fix it later for you. Occupation one might be the same

[digital helm]

You may have also noticed on templates we use {{ll|Category:Infobox}}. This automatically adds the correct language code for that page

Otherwise what mid said. We use templates to automatically add most categories

[proud cobalt]

Not hard, but just as stupid with rules as English. I can never wrap my head around inanimate objects being gendered. I also had no interest in French or France no offense 😆

[serene sage]

man memorizing the genders of words is crazy, I remember we were tested on stuff like that

like the accents were difficult enough

[distant osprey]

I agree this hard, even for natives speaker 😂

[lucid junco]

Stress, word genders and commas rules

[lucid junco]

Accents, abbreviations, some phrases that only excist in english

https://tenor.com/view/scares-me-i-fear-no-man-gif-21507033

[lucid junco]

Where tf "фокт Нокс"(Fort Knox) came from

[lucid junco]

I was wrong

Saying it, like I see it. May be a Frank's slogan, but Keep safe Kentucky is universal

@digital helm Do you know where can I submit revision for a translation?

Not for wiki, but for game itself

[digital helm]

https://github.com/TheIndieStone/ProjectZomboidTranslations also check #translations

[lucid junco]

Thanks

[proud cobalt]

Afaik TIS have said not to do anything with transaltion until B42 is out

[digital helm]

Before starting, always ask in there first especially since Russian is pretty popular #translations message

[lucid junco]

Will do, I'll have to finish my first page translation though :P

[digital helm]

I've added it to the moodle and occupation infoboxes. Might change the occupation one to check if it's a positive or negative number instead of the points_type parameter

[distant osprey]

On the FR occupation template example (burglar), the number has now changed to negative points, same as the original page. I don't know if it's exactly that you wanted me to check 😅

[digital helm]

Was just letting you know I fixed it 😄

[distant osprey]

Oh right, thank you 😊

I'm working on the item infobox 🥵 lot of stuff to translate haha

I'm not doing too bad for now 💪🏻

[digital helm]

yeah, it's pretty rough. Lots of stuff in there

[naive imp]

Correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't this go for most branded products?

Like you wouldn't translate "Samsung Galaxy", "Microsoft Xbox", or "Glock 19"

[lucid junco]

I guess it really depends on a person, language and name itself?

And what type of text you are writing

And people tend to use pronunciation in their own respective languages

Instead of from whatever language company name came from

I think we do this because its more natural and native

But I was referring to Transliteration

Translating a company name is fucking stupid

Usually what comes out of a logo translation is funny at best, scuffed and alien at worst

[distant osprey]

Indeed yes

[lucid junco]

It can be due to the differences of how people use and understand words in different languages, euphemisms and how translation will loose some meaning from the original no matter how good translator is

It sounds fine for me when people say "Эпл"(transliteration) when referring to "Apple", but If I'd hear someone say "Яблоко"(translate it literally), It throws me off

[lucid junco]

I dont think that something like Glock, Microsoft and Xbox can be translated?

Unless you break them up into compound words, eg "Micro" and "soft"

[serene sage]

interesting to note that stuff like place names and names of dishes may be transliterated

branded names usually aren’t though

also sometimes people’s names are transliterated as well

[lucid junco]

As long as they arent translated - I think its fine

"If you translate proper names, please, take a dictionary and start beating your head with it, until it gets to you that you cant translate them."

One of my favorite quotes from a one yt video Ive heard

At least in Russian , translating Proper nouns/names is a violation of the linguistic rules

[languid kayak]

that was actuslly discussed on #translations and seems it's just the motto of the station frok the pre-event that actually stuck after

[dusk yew]

( @proud cobalt threw out my back helping my dad lift stuff so I didn't get to the recipe as soon as I'd like, but new recipe template page looks fantastic, thank you! )

[languid kayak]

arabic and other ltr launguages are not yet supported in-game, though folks in #translations found some hacks for it. Wiki can support ltr though, mind you

[languid kayak]

I had French in school for 3 years 😄 (no, I don't speak it well), though it wasn't ezceptionally harder than anything... Then poor folks lwarning Polish 😄

[languid kayak]

haha yeah, learning English for a forgeiner and little grammar rules on top of it is a breeze 😄

[serene sage]

finally back to working on the wiki "full-time" after a long break and am now back to screenshotting annotated maps

by the way I never really cared until now but what counts as a minor edit and what doesn't?

sometimes if I add like an entire paragraph I mark it as non-minor

but I've seen edits changing like thousands of characters and still being marked as minor

[dusk yew]

I've always used "minor" for stuff like fixing typos, spacing, or fixing something I messed up in a previous edit that I didn't preview because I got cocky

I think minor is just a filter on the recent edits page as well, so maybe it makes it easier for mods to get a bead on what's been done majorly on any particular day?

I'd be interested to know the objective metric too though, it seems very vibes based

[serene sage]

yeah if it's meant for filtering then it probably shouldn't be left up to editors to apply it randomly

[robust latch]

I wouldnt stress too much about it

[digital helm]

From Wikipedia:
refers only to superficial edits that could never be the subject of a dispute, such as typo corrections or reverting obvious vandalism
I really only find it helpful when looking through the revisions to find where something was done. Something that's 'minor' will be skipped over as it's typically a minor fix.

[digital helm]

Long break? It's been a week if that 😆

[serene sage]

oh cool so there is an official definition of a "minor" edit

[serene sage]

checked my contributions page, today's the end of a 4 day streak of not contributing anything "major"

been a rough week working on a "university level" history essay

I may have also gotten sidetracked and tried to learn Blender at the same time

now that I'm done with a large project involving a lot of typing, I'm now rewarding myself with another large project involving a lot of typing 😛

[digital helm]

If you learn blender there's plenty of models to render! Although the ones left are a bit more involved

[digital helm]

At least it's more relaxing

[serene sage]

oh no don't tell me there's more stuff I can do

must... resist...

what models are left?

[proud cobalt]

All credit goes to @digital helm! I've also been away

[proud cobalt]

Your grammer is better than mine 😆 English was always my worst subject

[proud cobalt]

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Category:Image_improvement_needed

@languid kayak i thought we were only splitting into book types. Or did I miss some discussion? https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Fishing_Vol._5

[serene sage]

oh ok so the weirder ones basically

I'll see what I can do about them once I finish this donut

[proud cobalt]

Yeah a group effort got most done, there will be a hell of a lot of them to do for B42 though so the more the merrier

In fact I'm going to add it to sub project

[digital helm]

@proud cobalt @languid kayak I'll be working on autogenerating item infoboxes. For new items do you think we should autogenerate new item pages like with the tiles?

Here's the current output for the weapons table btw. https://pzwiki.net/wiki/User:Vaileasys/sandbox
This will just be a case of choosing a language code to get it translated

[proud cobalt]

This is something I was interested in before, but it was also to update all existing infoboxes, which was too hard and too wide of a scope. I think creating the new ones automatically and having them get added to articles requiring verification (Build 42) or something would be good

It would mean we could have all the items up day 2

We just have to be careful with one's that already exist but don't use the exact in game name

[digital helm]

The bigger challenge I think with updating is that some items are merged, but new ones would be far easier

[digital helm]

True, there are quite a few name changes

[proud cobalt]

Yeah new items without wiki pages would be our target

[digital helm]

Maybe I'll get a list of the item id and compare the new and old name

[proud cobalt]

We just have to sanity check them even if we do it before they're uploaded

[digital helm]

I want to have this public so you can play with it too before 42 comes around

[proud cobalt]

Yeah thatd be good, If you want to make a git repo even with an empty main script so I can get it into pycharm (assuming you're going to use python)

Not urgent, I'm Still busy till after Saturday

It just means we pivot to using the category as a list of articles that need 'creation' instead of a list in B42 project

[digital helm]

I might just do that. I was holding out to get it to a place I was happy with, but the parser works well

[proud cobalt]

I'll let you lead this one, just happy to help where needed and I'll toy around with it

Also get @languid kayak to add it to the list of repos

[proud cobalt]

@digital helm should we move to using autogenerated mbox without adding to a category for these kinds of pages? https://pzwiki.net/wiki/User:Vaileasys/sandbox

Instead of custom notes

[digital helm]

I considered it. I think that'd be quicker and easier. I'll start doing that

[proud cobalt]

I'll also update the other scripts when I get around to them

[lucid junco]

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Pop#Advertisement

Is it just on mobile?

The note sign breaks up for some reason

[waxen smelt]

Breaks up?

[lucid junco]

Its just on mobile

[lucid junco]

♪ Grab, grab, grab a can of... POP!
♪
Like so

[waxen smelt]

That's just line length limit due to the size of text and orientation of screen on mobile, easiest way you can replicate is by zooming in a bunch (470% minimum in my case), since the unicode note sign isn't part of the word it gets sent to the new line by itself

Likewise, on my phone

[lucid junco]

I see

[waxen smelt]

Swapping the spaces for non-breaking spaces ( ) is probably enough

[lucid junco]

Found one in gas station crate

[serene sage]

ah yes

[lucid junco]

I think it makes even less sense than on a map stand

[serene sage]

I will leave this map in this backroom

[lucid junco]

Im curious if maps unlimited can spawn annotated maps

[proud cobalt]

This should be done

[serene sage]

who even uses juice to make toast?

[digital helm]

thank you

[digital helm]

my guess is it's meant to be drunk with the toast? rather than pouring it on the toast 😆

[serene sage]

so why can't I eat my toast with pop? or milk?

besides it's considered a "spice"

[digital helm]

oh, yeah odd

[serene sage]

I wonder if it's a British thing

maybe that's what the devs eat for breakfast everyday

toast laced with juice

[digital helm]

I think it's wrong...
item JuiceBox
EvolvedRecipe = Beverage:2;Beverage2:2,

it's not a spice and is only used in making a beverage

[serene sage]

hmm

[lucid junco]

@languid kayak @digital helm Did we scrap the Pros/cons safehouse table?

[digital helm]

I think so? But I'm not sure @naive imp

[lucid junco]

I remember vaguely hearing about it

but Im not so sure

[digital helm]

yeah, me too. There was a bit of discussion about it. @proud cobalt weren't you involved in that discussion?

[lucid junco]

I'd started removing them in favor of just writing it out as a bit of text

At least on pages Ive remade/created

[serene sage]

seems like most people are interested in having whole grapes on toast rather than putting the juices on it

except for these guys

[lucid junco]

Pz is so unrealistic

I cant make a ketchup cake

[serene sage]

[lucid junco]

Wha

Its better than it sounds

[serene sage]

bleach time

[lucid junco]

Or a fanta cake

[serene sage]

stop this is a war crime

[naive imp]

Only for locations that are generic and pose no discernable advantages. If you truly believe a location stands out as a good safe house location, feel free to add

If one is already on there and it's not a generic location, before removing it there should be a discussion either here or on the location's respective talk page.

[lucid junco]

[proud cobalt]

Only Keeping it for special locations that deserve it
@lucid junco

[proud cobalt]

Don't bring up Fanta cake here. It's cursed enough

That page had to be protected on Wikipedia

[digital helm]

I have so many questions

[proud cobalt]

There's also this https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toast_sandwich

[digital helm]

I was just looking at that 😆

[lucid junco]

How special is special though?

Like high fences are obvious

And indestructible metal shutters

[proud cobalt]

Pretty much this #pzwiki_editing message

[serene sage]

look what I found in my screenshots folder

[languid kayak]

I'm on "vacation" on wiki right now, so yeah 😄

[languid kayak]

It's all blurry really, no real enforcement of either. You can filter them in recent changes, but that's it. It's an old MediaWiki functionality that's always been there. I have them set up by default as minor in the preferences, but I often forgot to uncheck it or have hard time deciding what's minor, but never think a lot about it

[languid kayak]

I don't really use them for that though, and I'm pretty much the one patrolling the changes now 😄

[languid kayak]

Take a look here https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Category:Image_improvement_needed but not items might be marked. There are some unused models and few obsolete/future pages that are not yet created thath ave models.

[languid kayak]

I think I did discussed it briefly here, but can't find it quickly, it's mostly @digital helm being involved. We though splitting them is best for the future as they have unique titles and probbly more will be coming in b42 🤔

[languid kayak]

The PZ one would be like this but with a 1000 less polygons 😄

[languid kayak]

new items as in b42? I guess we could, yeah. We have a lot of stuff already automated (distributions, code, now the infobox would be nice).

[languid kayak]

looks nice; would require splitting a few pages I have on my TODO (like fishing rod without the line), and adding some () to some pages (Fishing rod (crafted)

[languid kayak]

That would speed up things; previously the created pages were often literally just one sentence stub people added, until folks like @dusk yew picked them up 😛

[languid kayak]

Yeah, I kinda maintain a (supposed) list of such renamed on b42 project for the matter… Maybe post a list and cherry-pick it before deploying?

[languid kayak]

yeah, ping (or DM me if I miss it) if there's something to add 🙂

[dusk yew]

Iirc there was a period in time with almost all of the clothing as red links and then they turned blue overnight but they were all placeholders… we gonna have to get spicy and specific with our build 42 tags to figure out who is needed where lol

Also thanks calvy for the clarification, shout out @digital helm for the recipe page fix

Also also wait is Fanta cake like… bad? I only just learned about it, but I assume it would be kind of like Coca-Cola cake?

[lucid junco]

I believe many offices in LV have safehouse paragraph

[languid kayak]

what is the red ? Is it a mod?

[languid kayak]

not sure? I think it was just for some pages?

[lucid junco]

I think "some" in wiki scale is a lot

[serene sage]

yup, it's Has Been Read

anything you haven't read is marked red

[lucid junco]

Which is really neat

[serene sage]

because obviously your character would know what they have and haven't read yet

[lucid junco]

I kinda forget that its not in vanilla

[serene sage]

there are a ton of mods that I forget ain't vanilla

been playing with them for months now

the recent update that brought support for maps was arguably the most useful

now I don't get ten LV maps and end up with ten copies of the southeast of LV

[serene sage]

oh look there are boxsets of books in 42 now

and a book series called "Chronicles of the Magickal Gem Dragon Dragoons"

absolute mouthful

I've put it next to Newspaper in the b42 preparation project as my first contribution there

[lucid junco]

@languid kayak Should paper maps go into the gallery?

Im referring to these maps that can be found in ui/Lootable maps

They differ from the tourist map

And they actually have Parks mapped on them

And they do have a bit more details

Though they are definetly pre Louisville b40 era

[distant osprey]

Might it be a little "oopsie" on this moodle page ?
First sentence "Endurance is a moodle ..." on the Tired page 🤔

[serene sage]

yup, seems like it is

[waxen smelt]

Fitness page has athletic being mentioned with the strong properties, including being gained through raising strength

[languid kayak]

yeah; are they used for anything in-game? Thought the other maps are community-made

[languid kayak]

copypasta most likely

[waxen smelt]

I forgot to mention it when I saw a while ago

[lucid junco]

Nope

They are just sitting in the game files

[serene sage]

yeah probably another copypaste

@waxen smelt @distant osprey fixed both of the issues you guys highlighted

[serene sage]

the amount of zeds in this house is criminal

they're all protecting this one katana

dude there's more upstairs

I'm counting like three dozen in one house

imagine you make a noise outside and aggro all the Zs inside

ok on the map it's labeled a "zombie hell hole" which makes total sense

[naive imp]

If it's all just "has a fridge" and "no bed" or other similar bullshit as pros and cons just chuck it

[lucid junco]

Modern Design

[serene sage]

ah yes

the most important thing in post-apocalyptic real estate

"modern design"

[waxen smelt]

I mean to be fair, there won't be a wide society to move design standards, so it'll be modern forever

[lucid junco]

I cant live in a safehouse if it isnt in a modern design

[lucid junco]

Completely?

Or leave this bit

[naive imp]

Fuck that too

[serene sage]

every single building in LV is literally that

pretty redundant

[naive imp]

If anything it can be re-added later if it's actually good

[naive imp]

Exactly what I'm saying

[lucid junco]

Aight

Time for smashing

[naive imp]

If it's just a bunch of little random bs then backspace that mf into oblivion

[naive imp]

💥

[lucid junco]

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Dressed_to_the_90s

[waxen smelt]

Not even modern

[lucid junco]

Unfinished

[naive imp]

Yeah I know. Gonna get back to it

[lucid junco]

Wait

What tf is this

[naive imp]

Wdym