pzwiki_editing

[languid kayak]

Should link to [[Fallas Lake/tr]] not [[Fallas Gölü]]

[swift warren]

I'll take a look.

I got it. You'd better type {{Main|Fallas Lake/tr|l1=Fallas Gölü}}.

Though I don't know why Vail use displaytitle to represent the link.

In my opinion. When Main is used in /tr pages with {{Main|Fallas Lake}}, it should first check whether Fallas Lake/tr exists. If true, link to it. Otherwise link to Fallas Lake.

[languid kayak]

@digital helm 👀

[clever tinsel]

oh, sorry
i do them in argentinian cause im actually from there
i don't think there's too much of an issue with inconsistency cause at the end of the day i make redirects for both versions of the words

but for me it's like a british editor making a fuel page called petrol and then just making a gas redirect
no harm done i guess?

[languid kayak]

yeah, no worries 🙂 And yeah. no harm done, we can't support both anyway. Which is kinda odd, as there's no trouble having pt and pt-br or even en and en-gb which I'd like to have in-game eventually (it's in game files), but right now we have redirects and they work 🙂

[languid kayak]

Hm; I wonder if one map isn't swapped on https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:LouisvilleMapAll.gif 🤔

[robust latch]

Thanks, implementing this to everywhere i need to.

[naive imp]

@languid kayak I have an idea for the daily summaries you do. Maybe it would be beneficial to have the project leaders such as myself DM you a paragraph or two to put into the summary for the swction dedicated to their project? It could be helpful for more accurate record keeping and recording of priorities.

It'll also allow the leaders to convey priorities in a more sitewide way.

Just an idea I had. Thoughts?

[languid kayak]

monthly* Having it daily would be too extreme 😄

Anyway, good idea, you can start making one! The only problem is we don't really have active leader for anything else; there's just me and vaileasys assigned other than you

2x me, 2x Vai, 2x unassigned: https://pzwiki.net/wiki/PZwiki:Community_projects

But having a writeup for what happened in one project would save me some time writing that paragraph, so it's good if you would be up to a task each month 🙂

[naive imp]

For sure. You're still on the first Sunday schedule right? I'll get it written by then and just DM you the text to copy/paste

[languid kayak]

yeah, first Sunday of the month now

If it helps, you can take a look at https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Special:ActiveUsers to quickly find what folks did. I keep a track too, so far I have::
Project Locations
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Special:Contributions/The_(plastic)_Cheeseman
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Special:Contributions/Stock
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Special:Contributions/Slightsmile
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Special:Contributions/Ikip
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Special:Contributions/ThinkDock1721

[naive imp]

Yup I keep a mental note in my head. Tracking all this is actually gonna be good practice for the new car salesman job I start in a few days. Gonna help me track inventory lol

Don't worry though I'll still be on top of things with edits. I should be able to get Muldraugh finished NY the end of the month

[languid kayak]

Tackling the vehicles project first was all planned, huh :P?

[naive imp]

I guess so lol

For real tho I just saw that they were underdeveloped for such a key concept

[languid kayak]

You mean the vehicles? In-game or on the wiki?

[naive imp]

Ok the Wiki. A lot of pages were stubs and then I figured might as well just do it all

I do think they are a bit lacking in game tho

[languid kayak]

Yeah, introduction of vehicles were outsdanting, but so far never updated. There are models that have openable doors, some vehicle interiors and fire trucks as well as weapon modification was teased, but never implemented so far, so I guess we have to wait for b42 and beyond

On one hand it's great how some features were implemented, on the other hand it's a shame some minor features were left out 😛 I was suggesting using car cigearette lighter to ignite cigarettes or having some store on car doors, similar to CD:DA. Also having more control over switching gears would be nice, though most (almost all?) cars in the US are automatic so not as much.

There are mods that fill the gaps for what the game's lacking in the meantime though, too.

[naive imp]

Not necessarily in the 90s, there were still a lot of manuals back then

[languid kayak]

Hm; for the {{Version category}}, how should I put it for languages that don't have translation you think @swift warren? e.g., for zh-hant, I guess the translate tag should stay or not? Also, the link seems to be broken if the template is not translated 🤔. Can we make placeholders?

[jaunty torrent]

6969

The Discord search function is quite advanced; you can search what you wrote in that section by from:anno1404 in:mod_support

You can't look for coordinates of items, these are all randomly generated each time a cell is first visited, or when rerolleed if the respawn is on in sandbox/multiplayer. The LootZed in debug mode is there to help visualizing the loot from the text files.

that is what the wiki says (said)

[languid kayak]

the wiki is what we edit, so I rectified on this 😉

[jaunty torrent]

why not change the discord link on the wiki to this:
https://discord.com/channels/136501320340209664/473467044050894858
Which goes directly to this channel?

@swift warren @languid kayak

[languid kayak]

Vibrance is not an admin, and I'm not sure we can change the link to goes directly to the channel, since for the newcomers they need to go through all the verification procdures

[swift warren]

I'll check it out.

[digital helm]

Also, the discord link on the wiki is intended for all wiki visitors. An incredibly small portion actually edit the wiki. It would fit nicely in the community portal though

[swift warren]

The link is not broken in my test though.

It will represent English text if there is not translated text. If you add the text to the template languages subpage, it will be automatically translated. So there is no need to add a Translation notice to each category. Editors only need to add their text to the template and it will work without edit twice.

[swift warren]

I updated the documentation of Language code template which may require review for you @languid kayak or @digital helm if I miss anything or get something wrong.

And @digital helm I redesigned the Main which shortens much code and improves the inputs https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Template:Main/sandbox along with its /core page. Besides I found a new way to translate the template:

{{#ifeq: {{Language code}}|true
  | {{#ifexist: Template:Template name{{Subpage}}
    | {{Template name{{Subpage}}|optional arguments}}
    | ... <!-- no translation -->
  }}
  | ... <!-- not language code subpage -->
}}

which can automatically get translation from subpage without adding language code to the source template manually when adding new one.
And I suggest this code be a template used in other templates which need translation, too. What do you think of it?

[digital helm]

Awesome stuff, thank you! I'll take a look at them both when I can and implement if no issues.

I think automatically getting the translation without manually entering the language code is ideal.
Feel free to create a new metatemplate for that

[swift warren]

@digital helm Created with https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Template:Template_translation. And created an Underconstruction sandbox for test which works well.

[swift warren]

doc completed, too. @digital helm Check if I miss something if available.

[swift warren]

@languid kayak The following templates need cleanup. You can find them here: https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Special:PrefixIndex/Template:Documentation/
Because they are all subpage of Template:Documentation, I ping you here instead of adding Deletion notice one by one.

[robust latch]

For some reason after i edited https://pzwiki.net/wiki/A_Really_CD_DA/tr this page also appeares in english challenges navigation page

[swift warren]

It does appear in Tr in my browser.

[robust latch]

yes but also in english one

in the category* page

[swift warren]

What do you mean? Do you want this page be categorised in Challenges/tr?

[robust latch]

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Category:Challenges

In here, there is my turkish A Really CD DA challange aswell, when it shouldnt

[swift warren]

remove this.

[robust latch]

oh.

So thats what i fucked yp

[swift warren]

@digital helm Documentation template improved here: https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Template:Documentation/sandbox. Using new Template translation template and tested with zh-hans which works fine.

[languid kayak]

Why did you add the how to help section to the top, also in a table and with TOC back at https://pzwiki.net/wiki/PZwiki:Project_Locations_and_Maps @jaunty torrent? Looks worse that way and while it's not the main namespace, crediting people's idea isn't needed, it's all in history anyway. 🤔

[languid kayak]

I browsed the other project, there's not really how to help section, just the job board… Might not be a bad idea to have one, though I'd settle it to be a section 😛

Also right now we have two "How you can help" sections that way 😆

The note to add it to single buildings only might be kept though, not want to revert it but I can clean it up if you don't mind @jaunty torrent

[languid kayak]

good find, all's removed now, thanks!

@naive imp I think https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Crystal_Pie_Place is to be moved now that the name was changed? (still no idea where did the name come in the pz map 🤔)

[naive imp]

Yeah I went and integrated it into the section I had made. Not sure why he changed it back. The job board should always be first

[naive imp]

I'll handle that once I'm off work today 😀

[jaunty torrent]

https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Magic_words
WE all were discussing parser functions, and it has not been installed yet:

https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ParserFunctions

Please install this extension, it is VERY useful and used in Template:Welcome now.

[jaunty torrent]

I want people to see a project that is easy, that they can do quickly.

[languid kayak]

Kirrus is the server admin and maintains the extentions, but the general rule of the thumb is to keep them to a minimum. I think we can live without it; especially if if's the only template needing it?

[jaunty torrent]

you can add a second link (direct) to pzwiki_editing under the first
using
: to indent.

[languid kayak]

everything is equally easy 😄 (or at least should be)

[naive imp]

Well we have to keep the sections consistent. I did integrate it into the section I already had and left a reference to it.

Very uncool that you just changed it back without asking too

[languid kayak]

We can evaluate it one day, but it's not a one day job 😩. I'm at least happy we have the projects at least slightly managed lol. Gotta add the modding one, maybe in weekend and then we can just focus on (ideally) closing the two from the top of the https://pzwiki.net/wiki/PZwiki:Tasks while working on the other at the same time 😛

[jaunty torrent]

Let's just keep the name, we have to many unnamed useless buildings already.
I think at some point, we may want to change the unnamed businesses to simply numbers:
For example:
Unnamed Landromat: [[Unnamed Landromat (Lousivlle 1)|1]] , [[Unnamed Landromat (Lousivlle 2)|2]]
....on [[Template:Navigation Businesses]] to save space.

The only unnamed building I created was a gun shop in Louisville.

[jaunty torrent]

Sounds brilliant mate. Note I edited what I wrote above.

[languid kayak]

Anyway guys, I mostly took care at today's recent changes, but I'm too tired to tackle anything meaningful now, so probably will go to sleep

[jaunty torrent]

one moment, did you guys talk privately and get an answer from the creator of the map about Crystal Pie Palace?

[jaunty torrent]

Uncool is repeated lies ThinkDock1721
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Template_talk:Navbox_businesses#Plans_for_reorganization_of_Navbox_Businesses
Uncool is how I have bent over backwards to accomodate you and you refused to negotiate anything, per Template_talk:Navbox_businesses. You pushed forward with your single minded vision, ignoring any of my advice.

[languid kayak]

Basically just that all the map pins are community-based but no sign exactly where the name comes from; if I'll have some clue I'll let you guys know though!

[jaunty torrent]

Can we install:
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:MsUpload
Which will allow certain trusted editors to bulk upload images?
And have a second group created, trusted people who are not necessarily admins, but can use this extension.
I have uploaded over 1,000 images in the past eleven months, and it is a pain:
https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions&target=Ikip&namespace=6&tagfilter=&start=&end=&offset=&limit=1000
2.
I am so god damn tired of the captcha. I have spent literally hours clicking through captca images, having to resort to using a VPN because I get blocked. Is there anyway around it for admins, etc.? Anyone know mediawiki better then me?

[naive imp]

Ikip, I'm not going to fight with you here. Let's have a civil discussion. If you're going to be rude ill have a mod deal with this.

I did not lie knowingly. I was working with the information I had at the time. I even apologized for the misunderstanding. Things happen. I apologize.

Regarding navbox businesses, I haven't ignored anything and pressed on. Notice how I didn't start categorizing anything. It's only been you so far. All I did was make a plan and ask for thoughts and you went on a massive tirade. I wanted to move it to a place that wasn't cluttered with other stuff.

If I "ignored your advice", I wouldn't have even added that to the talk page. I wouldve just started categorizing stuff. I haven't categorized one thing.

If you have a disagreement with me on something I'm happy to talk. You didn't have to "bend over backwards" at all. In fact, when you first made the multi location template, you named it incorrectly and we agreed on a name. What else have you "bent over backwards" for?

[jaunty torrent]

List of extension on the wikipedia:
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Special:Version#Installed_extensions

[naive imp]

I even suggested a compromise and you flat out ignored me

So idk what you mean

[jaunty torrent]

The community needs to know how "uncool" you have been.
You lied, repeatedly, you said that I said something which I didn't and your goal has always been to split up that template.

[naive imp]

By disagreeing with you?

People disagree on things. I suggested a compromise at the talk page and you flat out ignored me

So no i haven't "pressed on". I have no clue what you're even talking about

You're being very unnecessarily rude

[jaunty torrent]

No, I edited the template, based on your complaints, again, repeatedly. I dont like being lied to, that you never wanted to split the template, and I dont appreciate you telling Faal here that I agreed to split the template, which I never agreed too.
Naming every single building in a town, no matter how worthless, is the reason is so big. It is also big, because of your constant complaints ThinkDoc1721.

[naive imp]

How is splitting the template bad? It's better for it to be organized than a well of text.

[jaunty torrent]

List of extension on the wikipedia:
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Special:Version#Installed_extensions

[naive imp]

It was a misunderstanding. I'm sorry. I don't know what else you want me to do. It's not a big deal since what we agreed on isn't even the plan anymore.

It's not like we agreed to do something and then did it. It wasn't even done

We never separated by towns

And I didn't say I never wanted to split jt

[naive imp]

I said that I didn't want to split it into other templates

[jaunty torrent]

I dont have the patience to be lied to more... I am wasting my time here.

[naive imp]

Bro this is a big misunderstanding

I said I didn't want to split it into other templates

Not that I didn't want to split it into categories

[jaunty torrent]

List of extension on the wikipedia:
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Special:Version#Installed_extensions

[naive imp]

You said it should remain one template and I agreed

I said it should be split into sections

[jaunty torrent]

QUOTE FROM THIS DISCUSSION BOARD:

UNTRUE
ThinkDock1721 — 10/06/2023 9:50 PM

Why not have them included in both? I mean, they are related to vehicles and are technically businesses as well.

I've also discussed with Ikip about splitting up infobox businesses by indivual towns, creating categories for each in place of the "retail and stores" etc etc. That we currently have. We seem to both like the idea. Thoughts?

[naive imp]

Yes

CATEGROIES

Not templates

[jaunty torrent]

" splitting up infobox businesses by indivual towns"
your caught in a lie, ThinkDock1721. So stop calling me "bro", and stop lying, it is unbecoming of an editor.

[naive imp]

I literally said that was a misunderstanding and apologized

You said it should remain one template and I agreed on a talk page a while ago

Look I have a meeting at work

Whatever I did I'm sorry

[restive adder]

You're reading intent here that doesn't exist as far as I can see. Please remember the language barrier, how you use and understand words isn't the same as others. Assume good intentions, people generally aren't out to lie or be a pain. Some are, but they are in the vast minority, and the mods are looking out for them

As far as I can tell, ThinkDock hasn't done anything wrong, you've had a disagreement. He's apologised repeatedly, and you've been quite rude in return.

Regarding extensions, I'm the one to convince it's needed, and I'm really strict because each *additional extension makes updating mediawiki harder, their update process is frankly awful. Definitely can see mass uploading being a pain especially with the captcha, will discuss with other admins about it for you

[jaunty torrent]

I created https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Category:Barnstars for the wiki. To encourage editors to edit more. Do you all think that all the people who register everyday, the 2-3 on average, are bots?

[jaunty torrent]

@restive adder
Simply dont update the mediawiki to a newer version, and all the mediawiki extensions will remaining working.
I see you have MediaWiki 1.39.5
The current version is 1.40.x current stable version 30 June 2023
I run all of my ten plus wikis on MediaWiki 1.27.7 and there is very little difference.
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Special:Version

https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:MsUpload
MediaWiki 1.32+

https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ParserFunctions (a core extension)
MediaWiki 1.25+

[jaunty torrent]

thanks for asking the other admins about captchas!
I can dig around on mediwiki also.

[restive adder]

Not updating isn't an option, we need security support. We're running the LTS version, since it's less updates to process

Parser functions should be enabled iirc, that extension is installed

[jaunty torrent]

great. your right, my mistake, Parser functions is there. I see it now. I am self taught in programming too, so I have big gaps in knowledge.

https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:MsUpload
If it broke, it wouldnt be a tragedy.
Could we try it?

[restive adder]

A few are, we have a lot of security stuff trying to prevent spammers from messing things up. They prevent a lot of bots, some are gonna slip through. They prevent humans sometimes as well, but I try and let those through when it happens

We'll talk about it, no promises, if the other admins agree, and my deeper look doesn't see a problem we can try. But I am stingy, as others who have requested extensions can attest to!

[jaunty torrent]

thanks @restive adder, I think Extension:MsUpload would probably require creating a new set of editor permissions, a trusted group of editors, that are not admins, bureaucrats, etc.
So it would be a 2 step process.
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:MsUpload
I have used this extension for ten years, it is one of the best for uploading images.

[swift warren]

@languid kayak @digital helm How about changing the https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Category:User_language templates to categorise users who know which language so that the translation project can find editors who can translate pages easily like check to grammar or something else small but useful?

Personally I think in this way we can know like how many Chinese/Japanese/... users are on the wiki so that the same language users can contact each other easier.

[swift warren]

@jaunty torrent There is a better way to say welcome to new users with: https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Template:User_Freshling which is designed for them.

@languid kayak @digital helm I wonder if I can have a bot which can help you edit large amounts of pages which need duplicated works. I'm a CS (computer programming) major so it's not quite difficult to write scripts. However I'm still finding a simple way to control the bot and it may take time to test it.

[restive adder]

You might need me to let you past the security software, and to use a user with bot permissions, so it has relaxed rate limits. Ping me if you'd like those

[swift warren]

I noticed the usage of https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Category:User_templates is kind of strange. Which layout do you prefer? The former is arranged horizontally, with text underneath; the latter is arranged vertically on the right, on the left is the text.
Currently the default template will be arranged in the former layout (doesn't fit a line). The latter needs some HTML knowledge. So maybe it's better to redesign it so that users only need to add the boxes and they can be arranged in a clear layout like:

{{User box...}}
{{User box...}}
...
text...

[swift warren]

I get it. But I just want to know whether I have a bot can really help editing (whether you really need help) instead of ruining the pages or leaving it useless. 🤔 As I know large amounts of editing by bot with minor error can be a disaster.

[digital helm]

Yeah, I agree. It should be as simple as just pasting the template, without having to wrap it in a table. I.e. markup like on your page, but with the result of Faalagorn's.

[digital helm]

Bots are incredibly helpful for massive amounts of mundane edits. I use AutoWikiBrowser for it's simple replace functionality, which can be limiting. I'm constantly paranoid about making a mistake on mass. Which is partly why it's good to use a separate (bot) account. It's easy to rollback edits without accidentally undoing manual ones AND can filter out bot edits.

Having a bot for more complicated mass edits would be helpful, but it needs to be tested thoroughly. I think it depends on what situations you'd want to use it for. Could it be achieved with something already made, like AWB?

The most helpful use case I can think of is updating infobox data, or other data tables, which are ever-changing.

[swift warren]

It can be implemented but can be a little difficult, with more programming knowledge and tests.

I'd like to make bot as convenient as possible for making pages consistent and updating data, etc. But I should start from simple script and learn mediawiki api gradually.

[swift warren]

What's AWB? Forget it. I found it in Search Engine. 🤦‍♂️

[swift warren]

I'd intend to use scripts with py or js using mediawiki api to implement bot's function by myself initially before I know AWB.

[digital helm]

It would be very helpful if it works! And would save many hours, as well as help the wiki be more up-to-date

[swift warren]

I'll info you if I'm ready.

I listed templates that need you to confirm here: https://pzwiki.net/wiki/User:Vibrance/todo#Template. As it seems that you are the only Admin who knows template well. So I can only discuss them with you when available.

[digital helm]

That's very helpful. I had my own to-do, but this is better, so I can check back when I have the time.
I'll review as many as I can in a bit

[restive adder]

There is a bot, tho I think it's currently got no maintainer or anyone to run it to mass update some pzwiki data. Will try and hunt for it later

[digital helm]

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Template:Main/sandbox seems to work good. I'll implement it now.

[swift warren]

Pages using this template need to be updated, too.

And you can remove sandbox after merging completed.

[digital helm]

Do you mean the articles, or the language subpages?
It seems to function as before.

[swift warren]

🤔 Seems don't need to be updated, but some may can reduce some params, which is not severe.

Oh and update the doc.

translation guide needs another code to be pasted.

[digital helm]

Ah, I see. Seems to be limited to 3 now. Which shouldn't be an issue. Having multiple was a feature they may never be needed anyway. I'll update it in the doc

All done https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Template:Main

I accidentally forgot to remove the sandbox from the code before saving. So there's a bunch of articles that are transcluding an older revision. I need to wait for them to update before deleting the sandboxes. I'll add the deletion notices as a reminder.

[swift warren]

What do you mean? In my eye there are only 3 pages using the sandbox template.

[digital helm]

Good! It's done updating then... I thought it'd take longer. I'll delete them tomorrow, or whenever I'm next able unless @languid kayak does it first

[languid kayak]

Wiki isn't anyone's, neither ThinkDock's even as a project leader or any of the admins, so if there's some inconsistency, better talk it out. I'll take a look after I'll be home later today what we're at at.

[languid kayak]

Yeah; each wiki's having their own extensions sets

[languid kayak]

No one's splitting it so far, though it's indeed big. I think the building name would fit better, but since you want to keep it that way; we keep it that way. ThinkDoc didn't change anything as he said. May be some communication misunderstanding; written text is hard to sometimes judge, so it's fine ❤️

(but yeah, Kirrus basically summarized it good; thanks 😄 Sorry, I've been reading messages in order and replying as I go :P)

[languid kayak]

we had that before, not sure they'll work out, gonna link to them later

[languid kayak]

Good idea; I had something similar in the https://pzwiki.net/wiki/PZwiki:Tasks so might get back into it

[swift warren]

I'm testing new userbox now.

Which will implement what you want.

[languid kayak]

I was originally thinking of listing the contributors on https://pzwiki.net/wiki/PZwiki:Project_Translations but making categories seems a better idea; can go along with the https://pzwiki.net/wiki/PZwiki:Project_Navigation_and_Categories nicely

[languid kayak]

Yeah, most of the templates we have are Vaileasys's works <3. There are still some folks knowledgable, but they are all on break, most likely till b42 and as far as of admins goes, just us two on the active duty, Kirrus mostly just intervening on the server side 😛

[swift warren]

How about these?

{{Userbox/freshling|today}}{{Userbox/admin}}{{Userbox/bot|Faalagorn}}{{Userbox/contact|discord|Vibrance}}{{Userbox/contact|forums|Vibrance}}{{Userbox/contact|steam|Vibrance}}{{Userbox/language|zh-hans}}{{Userbox/language|en}}{{Userbox/language|ru}}{{Userbox/system|windows}}{{Userbox/system|linux}}{{Userbox/system|mac}}{{Userbox/platform|steam}}{{Userbox/platform|gog}}

Along with each category.

[languid kayak]

I think some categorize already? Or not really?

the admin one I believe do? Or am I mistaken? Gotta check soon™

[swift warren]

At least the origin userbox doesn't create any category.

[languid kayak]

You can go ahead and edit them if you want to; that's something I wanted to clean up a little more, but mostly dragged away as more important stuff went 😛

I saw Ikip added https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Category:Barnstars - if they are gonna stay, they will require cleanups surely, but we had a similar concept by infoboxes done by Connal, but it never found use, so I deleted it. Could undelete if you guys think it's worth it, but may be extra mainteneance https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Template:User_Award
https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Template:User_Award/FrontPageDesigner
https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Template:User_Award/Translator

I think I discussed the removal back there with @digital helm in private before as I can't find it on the chat here 🤔

[swift warren]

Personally I'm not quite interested in this kind of template, which doesn't help in maintaining the wiki. So it depends on you.

[languid kayak]

yeah, seems quite some hassle for the few active of us :/ And folks come and go, that's why it never became relevant since the introduction back in 2014; here's the relevant news https://pzwiki.net/wiki/PZwiki:News/2014-2019

(which reminds me, I got to put link to the archive on the news page :P)

[jaunty torrent]

https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Template%3AWelcome&type=revision&diff=167471&oldid=166879

You can add this to your user page,to let everyone know you are new to the wiki!

:<nowiki>{{User Freshling|date_joined}}</nowiki>

[jaunty torrent]

I think in this case, works would be works*
I teach English and like to help everyone. 🤩

[jaunty torrent]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:AutoWikiBrowser

[jaunty torrent]

please restore
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Barnstars#Older_awards

[swift warren]

Userbox template is not a kind of awards but an description about user.

And they are Underconstruction now. Please don't add them to other pages before we finish them.

[languid kayak]

if you will go that way you'll likely skip awp altogether; it's just a gui mostly.

[languid kayak]

I'll take a look later, might not be today

[jaunty torrent]

👍

[dusk yew]

question for folks working on the build 41 project: are we ok to strikethrough items when they look complete? I'm doing a junk item or two in my spare time, but there are some completed items without strikethroughs so figured I should check.

[digital helm]

Yeah you can strikethrough them. Some items get done just with casual editing, so get missed in the project.

[languid kayak]

definitely!

We had a great progress on items, you can use https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Items or alternatively https://pzwiki.net/wiki/PZwiki:Item_List for reference, but the second list is raw from game files, names can be messed up, but I did some redirects. The items is manually moderated and I was working on it during weekend so should be up to date minus some minor items missing (hidden category) and maybe some mistakes

[languid kayak]

huh, I never though you can implement subpages like that, guess you always learn 😛

[swift warren]

I saw this usage in other pages, which I think is useful in my user page.

doc pages for templates can be called in this way, too.

[digital helm]

Transcluding is my favourite wiki feature. Just don't want to overuse it on commonly edited pages, it can confuse people (and bots).

Using with a heading is good, so clicking edit takes you to the page

Items page is done this way too

[swift warren]

@languid kayak I took a look at the User award template. It may be useful for categorizing who did which aspect of contribution on the wiki so that you can find them easier when need help.

May not that useful. But can be considered. And I will try to merge it to my new userbox template if you permit.

[languid kayak]

Yeah, I tried to transclude as much as possible to avoid extra double edits 😛 As far as items, these three pages are still left:

• https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Wild_Herbs#Items
• https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Medicinal_Plants#Items
• https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Wild_Plants#Items

But I didn't decide how to mark spices yet up for https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Food

These might use some clean ups too, but at least the item pages are in relatively decent shape now

Speaking of food page; we have links to
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Fresh
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Stale
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Rotten (the only page created)
You guys think it's good to have such pages, or is it better to just remove the link and redirect the pages to som page explaining the mechanic (do we have such page?)

Redirect would probably be the best IMO; the pages are linked just in food anyway 🤔. Maybe I'll just get to it

[digital helm]

I don't think there's enough information for them to have their own dedicated pages.
A couple options:

1. have a "perishable food" page explaining the mechanic. Then have a brief summary on the food page, with the Main template
2. have them detailed on the food page under perishable.

I think I prefer 2. Just depends how much content there is.

[digital helm]

Re this btw 👆

[languid kayak]

do we have a page explaining it though? Seems everything we have is on food page itself, so unless I'm missing something then I guess the best approach would be incorporate things from https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Rotten to the food page itself? EDIT: done now

[swift warren]

Emm I remember I saw a page representing the active bot on this wiki. But I forgot the accurate page name. Never mind.

[swift warren]

@languid kayak @digital helm Userbox finished along with their docs. All add an improve notice for you to review.

[jaunty torrent]

@restive adder
Please enable:
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ParserFunctions

Add the following code at the bottom of your LocalSettings.php file:
wfLoadExtension( 'ParserFunctions' );

A lot of the templates I am exporting from wikipedia are not working.

Teromax34 — Yesterday at 3:47 PM
hi ikip, it's me, tero from the wiki
first of all thank you for the nice comments, but i have a technical question
how do you use the talk page?
like what do i have to do in order to have that weird date format at the end?

Image

also thanks for the little badge

ikip — Today at 11:09 AM

[swift warren]

It's another extension for parserfunction enhancement: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Scribunto, which is discussed such thing before and has been refused to install due to: #pzwiki_editing message

[jaunty torrent]

It is already on the wiki. It just needs to be activated. This is not an enhancement. It is a core part of mediawiki.

[swift warren]

I even cannot find invoke word from https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Extension:ParserFunctions.

[jaunty torrent]

It is one of the parser functions.

@languid kayak steam maybe blocked in Russia

Valve Corp. The Bellevue, Washington-based entertainment software and technology company behind the Steam gaming platform is still providing services to Russia.Nov 9, 2023
https://www.vintageisthenewold.com/game-pedia/can-people-in-russia-use-steam

F*** you america. Sorry. but I am so tired of being discrinated against as an American living in Russia.
There is so much American censorship, but all the American mainstream media says is that Russia sensors.
the ONLY difference in America does it with the private sector and Russia does it in the government sector.
And the goverment and the private sector in the USA, like in Russia and China are intertwined.
The Special Military Operation hurt the small people the most, people like me, dozens of hours arguing with HP and namecheap. Having to use a VPN for Facebook and Instagram because America said it was ok for people to post inciting violence against Russians.
Blame Canada - I mean Russia
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bOR38552MJA

Please Don't Destroy - Ramen Order - SNL
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DEUwxImhy-U

[swift warren]

@digital helm project userbox needs logo images. Remember to replace the default logo text when you find suitable logos. Now all userboxes except for program userbox are updated. As I personally think program only does a little help on the wiki (whether it helps us know a user easier for wiki editing). I will add it if you insist it is neccessary.

[digital helm]

ParserFunction extension is enabled. It's how just about every template functions. Invoke is part of scribunto, as Vibrance mentioned. Pzwiki doesn't use Lua modules, so there is no need to use the invoke magic word.

Can I ask what you're trying to achieve with a template?

We avoid copy pasting templates directly from Wikipedia. Apart from the fact that most now use Lua, they are often overly complex and have a lot of functionality that would never be needed for pzwiki. It's best to look at the Wikipedia template, and recreate it on pzwiki.

[signal bough]

Do you think this page can be broken into groups based on tools e.g. scripting & coding / modelling / mapping and then more specific areas that need combination of these e.g. Vehicle Creation?

[languid kayak]

sure. I will want to set up a project for modding as per a task I made in https://pzwiki.net/wiki/PZwiki:Tasks#Medium_priority unless someone want to do it before that

ping @digital helm in case you want to, or have a better name for a project other than simply "Modding" 😄

I should probably get into modding myself, got a few mods in my head, but wiki editing takes my spare time anyway, so might not be soon™ Vai had some more modding knowledge, as he did some mods before, though it was a while ago too.

[swift warren]

@languid kayak I saw Chinese wiki arrange this well. They separate mods into four parts: more weapon/armor, extended gameplay, extended map, sound. The image shows their modding guide. Hope this may help.

@restive adder bot account created VibranceBot, Whether you need to change something before I start editing?

[digital helm]

I'll at least set up a blank project when I'm properly around next. Unless someone else does first. I'll probably just call it "Modding" too 😄
Others can then contribute to the "to-do" list

[restive adder]

Need to add it to bots group. Also, need to DM you, need to give you a password to get past anti bot cloudflare

If that's okay?

[swift warren]

Ok I think.

It means you can also login in that account, right?

[swift warren]

I don't care much though, maybe it better to remove the link to my email?

[restive adder]

Yeah, you'll be able to log it in, bot just increases the API limits. The security bypass lets you get past the Web Application Firewall we've got without it getting annoyed. Gonna be a few days or more unfortunately, non-stop migraine last week or so. Will DM you when can

I think any admin can turn the account into bot, only I can do the WAF thingy

[languid kayak]

@dusk yew I saw you added plates to one page, but the https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Black_Game_Pieces https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Red_Game_Pieces https://pzwiki.net/wiki/White_Game_Pieces as separate items; shouldn't they be grouped similar to e.g. https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Chess_Pieces?

[jaunty torrent]

🤷

[jaunty torrent]

I agree that wikipedia templates are overly complex.

@restive adder
Without invoke, it will require me to clean up a lot of the templates. Or leave them for someone else to clean up. Take for example: welcome.

On the templates lately, I have been cropping out https: and http:
...punctuation. bc of the captcha.
It is simply to cumbersome. Thanks!

@restive adder
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:MsUpload
Drag and drop images to the wiki. That easy.

$wgGroupPermissions['user']['upload'] = true; // Allow regular users to upload files
// Make sure that the file types you want to upload are allowed:

You can set the permission for admins and beauracrats.

It would be great if you could also create a second class of people, above regular users, like me, who are trusted to upload images.

default User rights for our wiki:

https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:User_rights#List_of_groups

@languid kayak wrote this about getting a steam account:
to Steam? If you can access Discord, it should allow you for Steam as well 🤔. There's a 2FA authentication, but it's optional if you don't use a smartphone, the rest should let you even without VPN I believe.

MY reply:
I cannot finish the Steam captcha. It just keeps going in circles again. Same captchas which we have on the wiki. I think people in Russia are grandfathered in, or my ip with my provider is blacklisted. My IP is blocked on wikipedia also. I try a free VPN, and the program recognizes my IP as a VPN. I cant afford to buy my own VPN.

I unistalled Steam. I will try KAspersy VPN (most popular russian VPN) another day.

It is the thought that counts!

happy thanksgiving everyone (4th thursday of November, every year in the USA)

🤩 🤩

Our new BARNSTARS, thanks to Pohly for making these!
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Barnstars

[restive adder]

Upload extension & captcha group is on the todo, but I've had migraine all week nonstop, need rest. Only doing high priority work right now, this isn't high priority!

[jaunty torrent]

@restive adder

Default User rights for our wiki:

https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:User_rights#List_of_groups

Creating a new category of rights:
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:User_rights#Default_rights

[jaunty torrent]

Feel better! Fortunately I have not had a migrane for a very very long time. get rest, happy thanksgiving! Are you in the USA?

[restive adder]

In the uk

[jaunty torrent]

british people here in Moscow are my competition, they are much more professional and sophisticated, so I have mixed feelings about them.
amazing how many of our phrasal verbs, etc are different.
Such as to be made redundant (to be laid off) I can go on for years....

Americans Don't Understand English | The Jonathan Ross Show
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5wSw3IWRJa0

[robust latch]

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Category:Templates in this page, shouldnt the Pages in category "Templates" must only show english template pages and not other languages?

[languid kayak]

yes, it should. I started categorizing them in the last weekend, but there's still some stuff to do – I mostly left the ones that I have decide where to put 🤔

[languid kayak]

The template is mostly copied from Wikipedia, as Vaileasys wrote, these could probably be recreated for PZwiki in mind, so these might not be needed at all 🙂

[swift warren]

All templates are categorized in each language sub-category now.

Some may need cleanup as they are not used in any pages currently.

[swift warren]

May I ask a question about what :ded: mean on my msg?

[languid kayak]

weird reaction indeed 😛 Though it's a PZ-server icon so might mean nothing in particular 😛

[swift warren]

Oh I even forgot it is a PZ icon.

[robust latch]

I assumed it was a tough task to finish therefore followed suit with the other guy who gave the icon to u initially if youre wondering.

[swift warren]

In fact there are only a few pages need to be recategorized in Category:Templates. There may still be some pages in the sub-categories that are not though.

[clever tinsel]

i found something that could have some bot support
i've recently found how "link=" templates work
and realized that for translated pages i needed to add /es to said "link="
the thing is that by now i've done like 30 pages
so maybe someone with a bot and some free time would like to do it?
if it's too hard to implement i don't mind doing it by hand i just think it would be more effective to use bots

[swift warren]

What is link= template?

[clever tinsel]

oh, sorry i explained it poorly

it's an attribute

[swift warren]

It is only added in /es pages you created, may no need to use bot.

[clever tinsel]

oh, sorry then

[swift warren]

If me, I will copy the code to a local editor and use regexp grammer to replace string like that.

Which is handy work.

[clever tinsel]

thanks!

[swift warren]

I faced this issue when I translated zh-hans pages, too. So I turned to improveing templates. 😂

I also recommend that you copy the code to be translated on your local editor and copy it to the target page so that you don't need to save it on your sandbox.

[clever tinsel]

oh it's kinda of a logistical issue

i normally edit on a school computer but for technical stuffs i use my home computer
so i just have a sandbox so i don't have to mess with files too much

but yeah you're right i should

[swift warren]

It's ok to just copy the en code to your new page with a {{Translate}} notice. Then you can translate each section gradually. Last remove the notice.

[clever tinsel]

ohhhh

[swift warren]

Many pages on wiki are still presented like that: a en text with a {{Translation}} notice on the top, waiting for someone to solve it.

[clever tinsel]

i'll start doing it that way then

[robust latch]

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Template:About this template looks a bit confusing, how am i going to implement all 6 variants in turkish?

I managed to do just 1 which was usefull and common in many pages, but now i am naturally starting to stumble upon other uses of "about" aswell and i dont know how to implement them

[jaunty torrent]

@restive adder feeling better today TGIF? Thank god its friday?

[restive adder]

A little, but still pretty rough, brain isn't functioning as well as I'd like. I don't really track the days so much anymore, my disease made days run together in pain and suffering till they blur into a mess of time. Might get a chance to look over the next few days, assuming this round of migraine is coming to an end instead of just ebbing for a bit

[swift warren]

It may need improvement. I'll try to redesign it to be able to auto-translate into other languages later.

@jaunty torrent It's not suggested to copy template code from wikipedia directly without improvement. Please think twice before creating new templates, they all need extra work to maintain.

[robust latch]

OK so i ll just use the about without translating for now

[jaunty torrent]

I have been editing wikipedia since 2008. I know.

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Template:Welcome
We can use this template to welcome members. The more little treats we give people, the longer they will stay and edit.

[noble arrow]

Is it a good or a bad idea to have a PZ Noob FAQ (but a different name) on the wiki? I bought PZ today and have a lot of questions about the game.

[clever tinsel]

there's these two in the main page, maybe they help?
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Frequently_Asked_Questions
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Survival_Guide

but rule of thumb just don't die and you'll have fun

[noble arrow]

Awesome, many thanks!

[noble arrow]

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Frequently_Asked_Questions#Q:_How_do_I_reset/start_a_new_world?
Sandbox folder? Is the information outdated?

[languid kayak]

I just wanted to link those two 😛 They need some improvements, which is noted in https://pzwiki.net/wiki/PZwiki:Tasks but might take time

[languid kayak]

why? https://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php/Fun

[clever tinsel]

im talking from personal experience
usually when im about to die my blood pressure falls and i get shaky for half an hour

but yeah it's the "how you died" game

zomboid is a part time horror game for me

[languid kayak]

nah, zomboid is just a more modern sims 1 😉

[noble arrow]

except that it doesn't take ~three years to wash your hand at the sink.

I know too little about the game and servers and stuff, so I don't want to edit the wiki.

[languid kayak]

Well, you can literally just fix one typo, or just add/update stuff that's missing/outdated

[noble arrow]

Well, I'm not 100% sure it is a typo. I don't want to spread fake news on the wiki.
Better safe than sorry.

[languid kayak]

Well, this template currently just uses placeholders though, linking to Wikipedia and templates we don't have (or need)

Also @jaunty torrent https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Glitches&redirect=no why redirect Glitches to Debug Mode? Glitch is a bug in game and debug mode is deliberately enabled

[wide abyss]

Just wanted to stop in and say yall rock keep up the good work

The wiki is immensely helpful

[languid kayak]

@swift warren if you want to be the leader of https://pzwiki.net/wiki/PZwiki:Project_Translations by any chance, do let me know! I have lots of other projects on hand, and you are mostly doing the great contributions so far in the matter 🙂

[swift warren]

If so, I'd wait doing nothing until Kirrus reply on whether the translation extension can be installed.😂

[swift warren]

I'd like to of course, but may need some more help (on handling it).

[signal bough]

My knowledge with wikis is minimal, mainly adding more information. Ping me if I can help some way.

[swift warren]

@languid kayak Seems that project zomboid wiki on the sidebar should also be translated (if possible).

[atomic sage]

Hi! I apologize if it has been answered before but I can't find anything about how to upload a template on the wiki, I'd like to translate some of them. Does anyone know where I can find this information?

[languid kayak]

You mean the text under the logo? Might be doable, I should take al ook at it

[languid kayak]

Well, right now there's no responsibilities really, and you do the most for translating templates, I just have to upload the sidebar translations as it can be only done by an interface admin group

[swift warren]

It's the same as translating normal pages. e.g. If you want to translate Template:Translate, then create Template:Translate/fr page and follow the translate guide on the documentation (if exists).

[atomic sage]

That's what I tried to do but when I try to upload I get this message :

And then when I click "writing some" I get the same message again and again

[swift warren]

In which template did you encounter this message?

[atomic sage]

It's for Infobox location

[swift warren]

It should lead you to the page editing page. 🤔

I clicked it and that's right.

the content of /doc page will present on that Template documentation box.

@atomic sage Here is its documentation page link.

You should translate Template:Infobox location/doc and place the text on Template:Infobox location/fr/doc.

[languid kayak]

btw @clever tinsel seeing as you're active, maybe you want to translate sidebar to Spansih as well? It's just a few strings, but I have to add them manually, I'll give you credit then, the strings are in https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Help:Translations#Sidebar_translations

[clever tinsel]

ohh i dug through the code earlier i just didn't understand
yeah i'll give it a peek later

Community projects = Proyectos de la comunidad
View and participate in projects on the wiki = Ver y participar en proyectos en la wiki
Wiki tasks = Tareas de la wiki
View, edit, and help with the current tasks being worked on the wiki = Ver, editar, y ayudar con las tareas actuales de la wiki
Wiki rules = Reglas de la wiki
Rules to follow when editing the wiki = Reglas a seguir cuando editando la wiki
Editing help = Ayuda de edición
Help with creating and editing pages on the wiki = Ayuda en creando y editando paginas en la wiki
Style guide = guia de estilo
Guidelines to keeping the wiki consistent = pautas para mantener la wiki consistente
Affiliates = Afiliados
Check PZwiki affiliates here = Mira los afiliados de PZwiki aqui
Project Zomboid = Project Zomboid
Website = Sitio web
The Project Zomboid website = Sitio web de Project Zomboid
Forums = Foros
The official community forums = Los oficiales foros de la comunidad
Bug reports = Informe de errores
Report any bugs you encounter here = Reporta cualquier error que encuentres aqui
Build history = Historia de las builds
View official Status and Build History page = Mira la pagina del estado e historia oficiales de las builds
Map = Mapa
Official Project Zomboid map = Mapa de Project Zomboid
Discord = Discord
Join official The Indie Stone Discord server = Únete al servidor de discord oficial de The Indie Stone
Reddit = Reddit
Join the community on Reddit = Únete a la comunidad en reddit
Facebook = Facebook
View official Project Zomboid Facebook = Mira el Facebook oficial de Project Zomboid
Twitter = Twitter
Follow The Indie Stone on Twitter for the latest news = Sigue el Twitter oficial de The Indie Stone para las ultimas noticias
YouTube = YouTube
View official Indie Stone YouTube channel = Mira el canal oficial de Indie Stone
Twitch = Twitch
Watch live streamers of Project Zomboid on Twitch = Mira streamers en vivo de Project Zomboid en Twitch

there you have @languid kayak

[languid kayak]

okay, should be live, you can check it at https://pzwiki.net/?uselang=es - I just changed the "Guia" and "Pautas" so it starts with the big letter and "Reddit" and "Discord" to uppercase. Just one more thing, for the View official Indie Stone YouTube channel = Mira el canal oficial de Indie Stone there's no YouTube in translation?

[clever tinsel]

Indie Stone is a name
i think it should remain as is

same with youtube because it's a brand

actually all our stuffs have the english names

it's fun seeing spanish people of all ages twist and turn an english word to adapt it to their language

but ofc it's just slang, so i kept it simple

[languid kayak]

Yeah, I mean the "YouTube" is missing in it 😄

in the description

[clever tinsel]

i missed it?
sorry

Mira el canal oficial de Indie Stone en YouTube

should work

sorry -w-'

[languid kayak]

np 😄

(fixed too)

[languid kayak]

Now we basically need just the Russian, Japanese, Ukrainian, Korean, German, Norwegian, Czech, and Hungarian since Traditional Simplified and regular Portugal use fallback language for sidebar translations.

We had some contributions for Russian and Japanese recently and for Korean Atlas7 is active, though I think Atlas is not on Discord? Can ask in their talk pages if they want to do the sidebar translations 🤔.

We had some Ukrainian contributions in the past, but it was a while ago sadly 😦

I'm slowly setting up the modding project; you want to be a leader for it for the time being; anyone want to be a leader? @jaunty torrent?

Also, I set you as a leader for Translations @swift warren 🙂

Also, should probably look back at https://pzwiki.net/wiki/PZwiki:Project_Electricals_and_Transmission and https://pzwiki.net/wiki/PZwiki:Project_Spiffo's_Construction_Crew as these were neglected in the past.

As part of https://pzwiki.net/wiki/PZwiki:Project_Navigation_and_Categories I wonder; do we still want to use project-based categories? Namely:
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Category:Electricals_and_Transmission_(Project)
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Category:Locations_and_Maps_(Project)
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Category:Seat_Yourself_Furniture_(Project)
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Category:Spiffo's_Construction_Crew_(Project)
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Category:Vehicles_and_Mechanics_(Project)

feels kind of redundant to add extra categories just for the projects? And are they to stay after project is finished? (such as Vehicles and mechanics)

[languid kayak]

@jaunty torrent why the undo of https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Liquorty-Split&curid=19899&diff=168713&oldid=168637 and https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Mead_Drink_and_Bloody_Merry&diff=prev&oldid=168705 ? I don't think linking to category is useful; pages are mostly there to be linked at, unless you want to have a liquor store page, similar to the https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Laundromat or similar pages, then it'd be better approach IMO

I think you also confused user page with the talk page on few occasions Ikip, e.g. https://pzwiki.net/wiki/User:Danash 😛

@swift warren {{endplainlist}} seems to be used in the https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Template:Plainlist alternative syntax (though it simply types </div>), and I wonder if we ever need the original template in the first place?

@digital helm you seem to be created both back in 2018, can you elaborate on where they could be useful? Do we still need them?

[languid kayak]

I also have this edit unpatrolled; https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Room_definitions_and_item_spawns&curid=13657&diff=161933&oldid=114253 – the https://github.com/BrianOstrander/pz-room-define-items-to-wiki is linked, but was last updated back in 2021. I guess we can assume the manual edit of adding {{Language}} and {{Header}} won't be reverted anytime soon if at all, but I wonder if the page is best to keep with the mention of changes being overwritten? Do we need it in the first place? It has some red links, and it could potentially be merged with https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Room_definitions I believe?

Something for project modding I pressume

[swift warren]

So how is the new userbox? If everything is ok, I have to replace the old one with it.

I intend to use it to categorize users who can translate certain language.

[languid kayak]

I'd say go for it, I didn't see anything spotty and you should be able to do so, none of these pages are protected 🙂

At worst we can iron out issues in the end

[swift warren]

I just used to receive the opinion before in action, which can lessen the mistakes.

[swift warren]

BTW, can you change my bot into bot group? As kirrus seems suffered. I will test it for some tasks.

I'll handle the firewall with him later.

[languid kayak]

Can take a look, but I think only Kirrus can change that actually

[languid kayak]

Also @digital helm https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Template:Dot can be safely removed; any reason for keeping this? And as far as https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Template:Huge goes; it's only used in your page currently

[languid kayak]

Do we need this template for anything? https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Template:Tlc

[swift warren]

we often use tlx.

[jaunty torrent]

yes.
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:MsUpload

[jaunty torrent]

Link created because thinkdoc likes to seperate out things such as convenience store and grocery store. Trying to appease him too. I changed it a lot.

yes confused user page, i am sure.

trying to build a community. Dog treats, to be very crude, get people to stay. At the end of the day, all we are less hairy dogs, psychology 101

[jaunty torrent]

👍
common words a user may type.
There are many funny photos of glitches, such as the youtube videos on the dog mod.

@restive adder
Having Lua would make my life easier.....
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/PZwiki:Barnstars

https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:MsUpload

[swift warren]

Has been improved in sandbox. But it has been used on many pages. I have to change all of them to fit in the new one, which may have to wait until I can use the bot.

[swift warren]

Seems that the en version don't have to change the usage. And other translated versions are used in a few pages, which can be updated manually. I may write a translation guide for it them.

[restive adder]

I have already said no to lua, as you have been told. Again, every extension added makes updating harder, and I'm concerned as to performance impact.

[swift warren]

Done. @robust latch You can translate it now with the translation guide.

[jaunty torrent]

https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:MsUpload
It is so gr8.

[restive adder]

I've already said it's on my to-do list. Please don't pressure me on it.

[swift warren]

As Kirrus said, we can't use lua functions on this wiki. So creating new templates with invoke function is useless.

[jaunty torrent]

Wow,
Lua has been around since 2013. sigh

[languid kayak]

It's not about the age, it's about the performance and mainteneance, I don't think we extremely need it too. Not a fun of importing all those templates, I'd rather appreciate using/improving the ones we have, we're a lot smaller wiki than Wikipedia

[swift warren]

It is actually more convenient for maintaining templates though. 😔

@languid kayak There are so many pages waiting for you to remove today as I rename all the new userbox templates. 😂

The old userboxes will be remove later after I replace them with the new one.

[languid kayak]

btw @swift warren Shouldn't it be Infobox project? https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Template:Project_infobox Also, in case it'll be done soon, I might wait with creating Project Modding; wanted to do it today but can delay it a little to use the new infobox on it 🙂

Speaking of project, once before I tried to figure if we have some clever way to automatically count contributors, but if we assume that each contributor will be placed into a category, we could in https://pzwiki.net/wiki/PZwiki:Community_projects

[swift warren]

I don't mind the name😂, change it if you think it's not suitable as my English is not good, maybe I can't get the real meaning of it.

[swift warren]

If all contributors can wear a User project on their user page, we can get the count through {{PAGESINCATEGORY:project|pages}}: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Magic_words#Statistics. It's an expensive magic word though.

[swift warren]

And I'm thinking about reorganizing those pages related to community. Some pages can under subpage of Community, which don't require a < community link manually.

[robust latch]

Thank you, i will dive right into it once i am done with current page.

[swift warren]

Also adding those userboxes on their user page should be indicated on either Community or Project page.

[languid kayak]

we already use {{PAGESINCATEGORY}} for that page though

[swift warren]

Which page do you mean?

I noticed some language categories use it.

I just hope the expensive won't press the server harder. You can use it if you don't mind.

And I want to add some images for each project userbox but I can't find suitable images. Maybe need someone else's help. Otherwise I just keep the Project text on it.

[swift warren]

Though I'm not good at designing websites. This task may need to be handled by others.

[languid kayak]

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/PZwiki:Community_projects page does

[languid kayak]

I'll figure something out I guess, if not now then later 😄

but feel free to use placeholders till then

[swift warren]

Then you can replace the concrete count of contributors with that magic word. And add userbox project for each contributor and leader.

[languid kayak]

BTW, while we don't have es-ar for Argentinian Spnish, I noticed some MediaWiki pages uses es-419 https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q56649449 e.g., https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/How_to_contribute/es-419 - is it related to the Spanish spoken in Argentina too? Since the latin America fits into it. I also have no idea what is the es-x-formal exactly 🤔

[languid kayak]

yeah, that was the plan 😄

[swift warren]

I used the media api to search for the count of templates and I found 64 templates (356 in total except for /doc and language subpages) even haven't been categorized. 😂

[swift warren]

It seems that the count of pages under each project is not right. The magic word only calculates the count of pages and sub-categories under it directly. The count of pages under its sub-categories is not included.

I searched for the resolution but It seems can't be solved without the help of other extensions.

[languid kayak]

yup, though I believe it's fine as it is – we might even skip the page count at all, it's not that important IMO.

The question is, do we keep the project categories then?

mentioned here: #pzwiki_editing message

[languid kayak]

yeah, they never were categorized properly, I just did few here and there, they are not even a part of https://pzwiki.net/wiki/PZwiki:Project_Navigation_and_Categories but should probably be added as one of the phases

Most of the images are not categorized too, including all the new ones added as part of https://pzwiki.net/wiki/PZwiki:Project_Locations_and_Maps

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Special:UncategorizedTemplates

[languid kayak]

It's 107 in https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Special:UncategorizedTemplates and 47 are /doc so technically should be 60, but maybe there's something that doesn't show there 😛

Assuming that https://pzwiki.net/wiki/PZwiki:Barnstars are here to stay, I guess at least thoroughly cleaning the page to look would be needed, it is basically just copy-paste of Wikipedia now.

Also, I don't think we need all the barnstars for Wikipedia? I doubt we'll use more than a few.

And finally, while I undeleted the old awards, will we ever use them? For now even barnstars are farfretched. Pinging @jaunty torrent for that too, since you basically take care of them

[naive imp]

Regarding the images from L&M, I'll be happy to help in categorizing them once all the spawn towns are up to date.

Getting those done is my priority atm, but once those are done I'll help with that if you guys haven't already finished it

But I also have navbox businesses to worry about. It's in a decent state right now though, I don't think it requires any urgent work. Ikip has mostly taken care of it. (Thanks btw!)

I do think there's some cleanups we could do, but in its current state it works just fine.

[languid kayak]

There will be at least two categories needed, one for logos (straighten up) and one for screenshots, but dunno if more.

I noticed that Vibrance basically changed one of the recent versions of the categories in https://pzwiki.net/wiki/PZwiki:Project_Navigation_and_Categories/Category_tree but there's some changes since then I discussed with @digital helm, asked him to share, but he didn't repsond yet, so I assume he might be busy 😛

[naive imp]

Can regular users create categories or just admins? Never tried it

[languid kayak]

regular users can

just to remove you need to ask an admin

moving can be done too, though "moving" a category doesn't move categorized pages, so it's best done with bots

else you'd have to go to each page one-by-one and change category manually

[languid kayak]

Okay, I added the main page column to https://pzwiki.net/wiki/PZwiki:Project_Translations since we use DISPLAYTITLE for the main page now; if you have a time you can add {{DISPLAYTITLE:translation}} to the https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Main_Page/es @clever tinsel and https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Main_Page/tr @robust latch – should probably be the same what Wikipedia uses, but I gues it's better if you add it instead 🙂

oh and @atomic sage for https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Main_Page/fr

[languid kayak]

It seems that the logos on the old templates broke for some reason? Though I guess it won't matter if the old ones got replaced, however, the https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Template:User_contact doesn't seem to provide link to the profile, which would be handy for Steam and forums links (they can't be parsed automatically, e.g., mine Steam link is https://steamcommunity.com/id/Faalagorn or more permanent one is https://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198001116101 and it can be different from the nickname, while for the forums it's https://theindiestone.com/forums/index.php?/profile/2963-faalagorn/ (I think the nickname is used, but the number is given, like it was on Discord before). There's also no equivalent for https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Template:User_talk_page

[languid kayak]

@swift warren when you'll have time, can you take a look at https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Template:About/fr too? @atomic sage noticed there's a template loop here - I might figure it out but if not you might be quicker to do so, especially as my mind is not good at thinking recently 😛

[atomic sage]

Well I wouldn't say I noticed it, I may have created it actually I'm not sure 😓

[languid kayak]

oh btw, minor nit @naive imp I think it was Vaileasys who started entering a newline after navbox and categories (it's also what I noticed in Cyberpunk wiki), but if you don't mind, you can do that too, else I sometimes change that. I think I should add it to the style guide actually to be clear. Other than that, your overhauls are preem and nothing else I need to change there 👌

e.g, https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Bakery&type=revision&diff=170147&oldid=170137

[naive imp]

I don't see how that would matter but ok. Will do. Thanks for the compliment 😀

[languid kayak]

doesn't really matter, except it kinda clarifies that there's two seprate sections; navbox and categories 🙂

But yeah, that's a very very minor nit 😄

in Cyberpunk wiki that's how they have it grouped, with comments in between, but I don't think comments are mandatory… Unless we change it someday, but that'd require having a bot edit them all out and there's more pressing matters till then 😄

[swift warren]

I prefer remove them personally. As it's not that useful, we can get access to related pages on the job board of the project directly.

[clever tinsel]

done

[swift warren]

I'll add it later.

[swift warren]

Let me check it later.

[swift warren]

I personally think talk page link is not that useful as the link to it is easy to find (just next to the user page). So I didn't create the equivalent. But I can create one if you insist.

[languid kayak]

I'll give it a day or a few, but if no one disagrees, I think it's a best approach

[languid kayak]

yeah, everyone can technically be contacted via talk page, so a template for that might not be necessary, was thinking about it, so good knowing it's not an omission 🙂

BTW, I noticed you created https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Category:Version_41.78 @swift warren Ideally I'd move the pages out of them to 41.78.16 but it's a job for a bot, as every page there belongs to https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Scripts_guide which is sitting on my TODO list for a while 😩

[swift warren]

I'm waiting for permission from kirrus to my bot now.👀

The initial test is good. It should be useful once I can edit them with bot.

[jaunty torrent]

As an admin on my wikis, I always let everything stay, from editors, especially backroom pages that the average visitor will never see.

I would have never deleted the old welcome templates that you did, because people can find and build on them later. At the absolute least, having those barnstars means that people will google and may find our site. At the absolute most, we invite new editors to the wiki, to where it gets to the point that many of those barnstars are valuable. Right now there are very few active editors on the wiki.
barnstars is one way to retain editors.

[jaunty torrent]

anyone can

[swift warren]

We will see the effect later.

[jaunty torrent]

I think they should be kept. A category is useful. At the least it will teach others how to use categories, it is possible that these categories will expand.
categories are proabably the most non-evasive background parts of the main pages.

[jaunty torrent]

I just pulled up the category.
Jesus Christ why would you want to delete those categories, they are beautiful and very useful.
The beautiful templates alone make them worth saving. (good for learning coding easily)

[swift warren]

But they are for projects instead of normal category tree. If we preserve all the catrgorise even after the project is finished, the pages will mess up with tons of categorise.

A clear catrgory tree for the wiki is improtant I think.

[languid kayak]

We never had a welcome template; the awards were there unused for several years… and so are they now that we have barnstars 😄

I sadly barely have time to do anything in between patrolling the changes and wiki needed (still needs, but much less now) updating, so managing such templates is a real hassle for me, but if you manage, then I guess they won't hurt. Though the less I have on my head, the better.

Barnstars are fine, though I believe we could just start with a few and add from then on 🤔.

[languid kayak]

These are just the project categories though, I believe manually adding each page that is assumed to fit into a projectr is a little counter-productive and hard to maintain while they are better ways to keep track of categories belonging to a project, but I'm not pulling a trigger just yet 🤔. Might see what Vaileasys things when he'll have time.

[languid kayak]

yeah, the styling is nice indeed 😄 All Vaileasys works, so gotta see how to incorporate them, maybe they'll just need some cleanups.

btw @jaunty torrent https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=City&redirect=no don't you think the redirect is too broad? After all, the Knox Country is a whole map, I believe folks typing City would rather have a particular city in mind, such as Muldraugh, West Point, Rosewood etc. Maybe instead of a redirect it should be a disambig page? https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Category:Disambiguation_pages (though I have to clean them up someday 😩)

[jaunty torrent]

It is for newbies, faalagorn. they type in city, and they immediately go to Knox Country. I can redirect to the section.

[languid kayak]

well, guess let's just leave it as it, especially as we don't have any better page yet 😄

Though having a redirect for a list of cities is something that might be useful someday, maybe.

[jaunty torrent]

👍
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Knox_Country#Muldraugh
Redirect to first section created.
I try to think like a newbie, and try never to forget how hard it is to navigate wikis.

[jaunty torrent]

There is a program that I used several years ago, a python program, which automatically did the work manually for you, for examplel, adding categories, you didnt even to be an admin.
I see in some of the comments here that you guys are talking about something similar.

[languid kayak]

There's https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:AutoWikiBrowser and Pywikibot; maybe the latter is what you talked about?

And yeah, both can be used with any account, you just have to get it working and set it just right

Though having it through a bot properly gives advantages of easily reverting and not messing with your main account

[jaunty torrent]

I created https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Liquor_store

[swift warren]

It would be easier for you to maintain pages if you can make full use of the bot.😊

[languid kayak]

good, was about to ask you about it, I don't like linking to categories, though it was a common practice back then 😛

[jaunty torrent]

I think it was the later. Thanks a million faalagorn!

[languid kayak]

Yeah, should get back to it 🤔. I don't really find the UI of AWB nice (plus it sometimes doesn't work for me), so maybe I should force myself to do it the proper way and learn some scripting, though my head hurts when trying to grasp any remotly complex regexes 😩

[jaunty torrent]

I wont add anymore barnstars, I will keep the admin barnstars red linked, unless you are allergic to red links.....

[languid kayak]

I'm biased 😛 I like redlinks if they prove option to be created, but I also like when the pages that are redlinked are created 😛

[robust latch]

I tend to stay away from red links as turkish wiki barely has any pages

Even tho guide kinda suggest otherwise

[languid kayak]

I do browse the https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Special:WantedPages often, but in our case it seems that the language links are created in advance, so unless we change somehting it's almost impossible to create them all 😄

[robust latch]

Only using red links when i know i will edit it later

[languid kayak]

well, you created quite a lot though 😄 Also, it's not that bad actually

[clever tinsel]

i don't know, i always leave red links
seeing all the red links in the spanish main page is what actually inspired me to start translating in the first place

[swift warren]

That's why I use scripts instead. AWB seems too old for now. The UI is somewhat weird, too.

[clever tinsel]

so maybe it'll have the same effect on others

they're like greyed-out steam achievements they just call for you to do them

[robust latch]

thats an interesting approach

[clever tinsel]

but ofc every editor to their methods

[robust latch]

ofc

[clever tinsel]

that and, in my case, leaving links to english pages is inconsistent
ohhh poor little monolingual wiki visitor has to see a page in a foregin lenguage ohhh the humanity
-w-

[robust latch]

i accept its a bit deceitful but its for the greater good

there needs to be something tangible if %97 of the pages are missing imo

[clever tinsel]

the good of zomboidkind

super valid
i just think to myself "i'll do that one later" everytime i see a red link

or maybe they'll do themselves it's a community wiki at the end of the day

[swift warren]

Guys it's recommended to add userboxes to your user pages so that I can figure out which language you are contributing.

And new editors may easier to find people to collaborate if they saw you speak the same language.

[jaunty torrent]

@swift warren thanks!

[languid kayak]

(well, it should be done now :P)

[jaunty torrent]

For the life of me, I cannot figure out why the edit view talk page links are now broken. It has something to do with what I added to the template:

[[PZwiki:Project Vehicles and Mechanics|Project Vehicles and Mechanics]] • [[PZwiki:Project Spiffo's Construction Crew|roject Spiffo's Construction Crew]] • [[PZwiki:Project Seat Yourself Furniture|Project Seat Yourself Furniture]] • [[PZwiki:Project Locations and Maps|Project Locations and Maps]] • [[PZwiki:Project Electricals and Transmission|Project Electricals and Transmission]] • [[PZwiki:Project Navigation and Categories|Project Navigation and Categories]]

remove this, and the template is fine!

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Template:Navbox_projects

@digital helm what was that page you use on mediawiki to check edits and coding really quickly? Although I like to have an edit history to go back to, that page is very useful.

[swift warren]

Done.

[swift warren]

@languid kayak This documentation should not be deleted https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Template:User_freshling/doc. 😂

Along with User admin/doc, User freshling/info. Userbox/freshling/doc and Userbox/freshling/info are pages you should delete. 😂

[languid kayak]

haha, sorry, must have been carried away 😄

undeleted https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Template:User_freshling/info too

[swift warren]

@languid kayak And User admin/doc. 👀

[languid kayak]

The rest seems fine, but feel free to ping me if I accidentially deleted something else yesterday; was patrolling A LOT of changes yesterday, so must have confused some, you guys were productive 😄

[digital helm]

This can be removed. I don't think it functioned as it's supposed to. Not sure why

[digital helm]

These can be removed too, I think. If they're not used

[swift warren]

@languid kayak How about this tutorial nav template to replace the previous one? Because I saw Tr translation on this template result in word wrap due to the words are too long. And if the page gets narrow, the words will wrap, too. So the content div box may be better.

[robust latch]

Honestly i dont know why its inaccurate in nav page but normal in others

[swift warren]

Maybe you need to translate the documentation to see the result.

[jaunty torrent]

Good evening guys. Snowing hard in Moscow, Russia tonight,
hope your enjoying the weather in your parts of the world.

[dusk yew]

hey faal, sorry for the million year response time, holiday travel beat the absolute snot out of me. you're right that the pages are different- at the time, I was just making game piece pages as they were listed in the 41 update request list, but when I checked on plates it looks like multiple plates were already listed. So I just updated the formatting/code source for the plates and kept chugging on articles.

tl;dr you right, I just figured things were laid out as they were for a reason and breezed on through

[languid kayak]

Yeah, I realized that as well 😛 I guess better to aggregate them though?

[dusk yew]

totally up to you, whatever you think flows best... my executive decision making isn't top tier, regrettably. chess pieces, as you'd mentioned, had been consolidated already, so it seems like that might be common practice? I can't imagine a situation in which someone would search for these items by color. But then again, the items are technically unique in the code, vs something like lumberjack shirts, which all share a page but as items in the world aren't listed as "red lumberjack shirt" "blue lumberjack shirt" etc

[languid kayak]

Well, I like having separate pages myself, but seeing we have plates, chess pieces and cameras grouped together I guess grouping them would be sane 😄

[dusk yew]

Honestly, same- My sorty-brain likes the specificity but it seems the template has spoken, all hail the template!

[languid kayak]

should be fixed now 🙂

[languid kayak]

Thanks! It'd be nice to allow to set a Steam profile with the /profile/ (SteamID) link as well, as I think it currently requires the custom ID to be set 😛

Raw instructions how to get it were provided in the old template: https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Template:User_steam

oh also, being a leader in a project doesn't put one into the contributor lists. I wonder if we should require folks to put both in those case? e.g., should I have both the leader and contributor of a project furniture, or would it be better to assume that the leader is by definition a contributor too?

and I think forums need a special case; I wonder if providing an used ID would be enough? For me it'd be {{User contact|forums|Faalagorn|2963}} for https://theindiestone.com/forums/index.php?/profile/2963-faalagorn/

The {{User contact|forums|Faalagorn|https://theindiestone.com/forums/index.php?/profile/2963-faalagorn/}} Doesn't work as well, just in case 😛

oh nvm, it has to be link=, I'll update the docs

I guess it solves the Steam issue too, as I can just put link=https://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198001116101 so problem solved, carry on 😄

[swift warren]

The leader should be seperated with contributor I think. Only in this way can we get the right count of contributors.

[languid kayak]

you mean the leader shouldn't be counted as contributor at all? 🤔

[swift warren]

You think so?

Emmm, sounds right.

I'll change it later.

btw, see the new main page and community portal page. How do you think so?

[languid kayak]

yeah, I saw them, I like the approach, especially the community ones which is more streamlined and merges one page, though not sure if I'd change the underlines headings to something more prominent or am I just used to the old page that much 😄

Didn't try how they behave on mobile too.

Might take a while to incorporate them though, somethig I'd have to think through and folks could vote opinion too.

For comparison:

• new Main Page layout: https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Main_Page/sandbox (no screenshots, news moved to community)
• new Community portal layout: https://pzwiki.net/wiki/PZwiki:Community_portal/sandbox (merging https://pzwiki.net/wiki/PZwiki:Community_portal and https://pzwiki.net/wiki/PZwiki:Community_projects)

your seems to be a little better for mobile according to Google PageSpeed too:
https://pagespeed.web.dev/analysis/https-pzwiki-net-wiki-Main_Page-sandbox/w9b647mq6v?form_factor=mobile vs https://pagespeed.web.dev/analysis/https-pzwiki-net-wiki-Main_Page/th30r6lcpf?form_factor=mobile

[swift warren]

I've tried other styles for heading but the underline seems the simpleest one.

[languid kayak]

Anyway, I merged the items, also, while at it, I updated https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Items to list sawfly larva which was missing and marked sawfly, guacamole as well as other items that I couldn't find even in the newer foraging tables as Future/Obsolete – let me know if you suspect anything else, especially from the food stuff!

I also added few items such as Camera Film and Plastic Pipe (plastic pipe seems to be found via the foraging) to be to the https://pzwiki.net/wiki/PZwiki:Project_Build_41_Update/Job_board#Other_items

There are also some red-linked items that are not part of the build 41, some of which can be found via foraging or else, such as Soccer Ball, Leash, Empty Beer Can, though not sure they belong to build 41 specifically 🤔.

I'd ideally like to have pages on future/obsolete items that can be spawned on debug mode too, but obviously these are of lesser priority 😄

My next job in-between wiki minteneance would be checking if all items are indeed present in Items page and are correctly named as well as taking care of https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Category:Disambiguation_pages - some seems to be in a bad shape/outdated

[swift warren]

@languid kayak It seems the Project {{{1}}} contributor category name is too long. Is there any better name?

[languid kayak]

Never realized category name can be too long 🤔. You can shorten it to user or even omit the contributor altogether, we could also recycle the https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Category:Spiffo's_Construction_Crew_(Project) categories for it

[languid kayak]

(seems some pie slices are missing/inconsistence, Base.Pie is repeated while Base.PieApple is missing altogether; will take a look later)

[swift warren]

It can work though. Just thought the name can be very long personally (e.g. Project Spiffo's Construction Crew Contributor).

[swift warren]

If someone need /profile/SteamID as the link, they can type {{User contact|steam|Custom name|link=https://steamcommunity.com/profile/SteamID}}. Is it enough? Or need a more convenient way?

[swift warren]

@languid kayak If you decide to remove project categories (Category:Electricals and Transmission (Project) for example), I can help with bot.
The update about userbox are almost done. some of them can be removed along with categories.

[languid kayak]

yeah, I realized that post-factum, hence my "problem solved, carry on" later though I could have crossed it out to be more clear. All fine the way it is 👍

[languid kayak]

might keep them for a while. BTW what you ise for bot; scripts? Mind sharing? Maybe I'll switch from awb as well for simple munda replace changes 🤔

[jaunty torrent]

thank you, you are the absolute best, hands down.

[swift warren]

Both about help with simple tasks and mind sharing about it as far as I know. 🤝

@jaunty torrent Why do you create a page with all projects? https://pzwiki.net/wiki/PZwiki:All, and they are transcluded. Please click preview before save your edit.

[digital helm]

@swift warren there's a few issues with these background-style templates you've worked on, i.e. Header and Documentation. The existing ones use divs, but your changes use tables instead. Was there a reason for this change? Using a table changes the style of all tables inside them. For example, the Header template, adds borders to the infoboxes, which shouldn't have borders. And the table of contents now has no padding.

Essentially, could these changes be achieved with a div instead of table?

[digital helm]

What's the purpose of this? All the projects are listed on the community projects page https://pzwiki.net/wiki/PZwiki:Community_projects
Should avoid transcluding pages, just because we can.

[swift warren]

I have not tested with div. But I assumed div and table will have a margin that time.

I'll check it later. or you check it first.

[digital helm]

looking at it again, the header template doesn't use a div... it used to. 🤔

[swift warren]

the header is a table, and the old body is a <div>, but the new one is a table-cell.

Updated.

There is no margin between body and heading, maybe something fixed it.

[digital helm]

Looks good!

Documentation is a bit weirder, since there's a footer.

[swift warren]

Both have a footer.

[swift warren]

I'm trying to incorporate community portal and communtiy projects as I think there is no need to separate them. Maybe community projects will be merged.

[digital helm]

That's fine. I was referring to https://pzwiki.net/wiki/PZwiki:All I'm not sure of its purpose.

[swift warren]

I know. I just want to tell you what I'm going to do. 👀

[digital helm]

The templates themselves, I mean.

Template:Header has a header and body.

Template:Documentation has a header, body and footer.

So for Template:Documentation we can't just simply make the body a div to fix it. I'd recommend changing the header, body and footer to be separate divs, and remove the use of a table altogether. This would fix the styling being changed for all tables in the body

We could make the header and body as separate tables, and have the body as a div, but I don't see the point when a div would work just fine, and should be less code.

[languid kayak]

I'd go with lowercase contributor, for tye style sake btw 😛

[swift warren]

Thankfully I haven't created those categories.

[swift warren]

done.

[swift warren]

@languid kayak It is lowercase. 😂 I typed wrong. In the code it is right.

[swift warren]

@digital helm How about change both header and language bar into flex-divs? I noticed the category bar on the bottom is also a div.

[swift warren]

I remember you mentioned that you wanted to change a skin. I went through the list of skins available on Mediawiki and Citizen seems to meet your requirements: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Skin:Citizen. It has a switchable light/dark mode, and is mobile-friendly. Maybe you can consider it?

[dusk yew]

Rad! But I'll keep chugging on junk items for 41 when I get time here and there. The only suspicious character outside of guac and sawfly I can think of off the top of my head is Cornmeal?

Though on that note, is it worth tagging with that "outdated image" thing for items that need 3D models? There's a bunch of food (and other) things that don't have a 3d model, but considering the scale it might be overwhelming and better saved for later. Especially since it's probably only for folks who know how to bend Blender to their will iirc.

It also seems to be a bit random whether the 3d image, if in the article, is listed in the gallery or in the infobox...is that something to standardize when seen, or just leave it be?

[atomic sage]

Hey, I have a question for you. What's the difference between Knox Country and Knox County?

[digital helm]

Knox country is the current pz map, Knox county is the old pz map. There should be an explanation of that on either of those 2 pages. If not it'll need to be added

[digital helm]

added the improve image notice to those pages would be very helpful if you see them. Updating them is something you'd want to do in batches

[digital helm]

There was a period where someone was removing 3D models from the infobox and moving them to the gallery section. But yes, I think there should be a standard. @languid kayak thoughts on what the standard should be? With or without the 3D model in the gallery?

[digital helm]

That sounds fine to me. Just note the language bar may eventually be replaced, if everything goes well for the translation extension test. Pretty sure it'll replace it for its own

[atomic sage]

It is explained indeed, my question is more about the translation, for instant in Spanish should it be translated país de Knox/condado de Knox? It sounds a bit odd in French... I've seen they let it in English so I don't know, maybe we should the same in French?

But it's only a detail, I shouldn't be bothering you for that haha

[languid kayak]

3D model should be in infobox when possible, the rest of 3D models (rotten etc.) should belond to gallery.

[digital helm]

I'm monolingual so I'm not sure how other languages treat this. It is a name though, so would it stay as "Knox County" or "Knox Country"?

[digital helm]

So if it's in the infobox already, it shouldn't be in the gallery? I'm ok with that

[atomic sage]

I'm not sure about what you mean here

[dusk yew]

@languid kayak @digital helm so should I purge the gallery if it's only the default 3D model and add it to the infobox instead when I see it?

also, I'm assuming this is the tag, yeah? I think I might be staring right at it in the community sources, but I can't seem to find a place where all "needs a 3d model" articles congregate. just wanna make sure this isn't a "someone took a picture of their screen with their phone and it's five pixels total" tag before I go around slapping it on things

[swift warren]

@digital helm Created a new header here: https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Template:Header/sandbox2. I personally prefer this one. 💖

If we want to apply the light/dark mode in the future, maybe it's better to avoid using too many colorful backgrounds.

[swift warren]

@digital helm I found the reason why PZwiki:All causes a transclusion on each project page. All the projects lack </div> tag on the end. Is that your editing habit? 😂

[jaunty torrent]

@restive adder the captcha is unbearable. I have to use vpn, etc and it makes adding anything 15 or more clicks, which wastes time. is it possible to use the word captcha like wikipedia does?

https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:MsUpload

[swift warren]

In China using vpn is the most common way to get access to most foreign sites.

And you'd better explain why did you create PZwiki:All. None of us get the purpose.

[fast lodge]

I made some changes for clarity and narrative cohesion to the Knox Event timeline page. I hope they come across as the improvements they were meant to be.

Among the changes I made were lowering or otherwise adding more diverse language to the overuse of “millions dead,” and patching some loose ends with the Los Angeles port section.

[swift warren]

@languid kayak Should https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Help:Deprecation be kept as a separate page from other help pages or merged with one of them? If so maybe it should be linked to Help:Contents page. 🤔

[restive adder]

The word captcha wasn't effective at blocking bots. We might move to hcaptcha, but other tasks Inc captcha bypass higher on my to-do list

[languid kayak]

Knox Country is not translated in French, so I suppose the County shouldn't as well? https://github.com/TheIndieStone/ProjectZomboidTranslations/blob/master/_TVRADIO_TRANSLATIONS/RadioData_1_FR.txt#L370

You can compare with other strings/languages if you wish, too

[atomic sage]

Thank you!

[jaunty torrent]

I didnt have to add a captcha! are you responsible @restive adder

[restive adder]

nope, but google might have silent captcha'ed you

[robust latch]

Apparenly i made a "template loop" with about/tr now everything that has about/tr are displaying about/tr instead of the correct header

Help please 😄

[atomic sage]

Same problem here 😭

I mean I have a problem with about as well but I got rid of the template loop

I get only the half of the template translated

@robust latch I see you took the whole code of the template, though it has {{template translation}} in it, I think this may explain the loop

In the translation guide you have the code you're supposed to use for the translated template

But it only translates the "This article" part

[robust latch]

I will look into that first then

Is there a complete list of words in english that can be translated into our respective languages? Every language template seems to have different sets of words covered.

If i am not mistaken translated words in language templates are only useful for template documents... right?

[atomic sage]

I think (at least for the French translation) it might be complicated, for the translation depends on the context

[jaunty torrent]

@steady rain made some incredible https://pzwiki.net/wiki/PZwiki:Barnstars
for admins.

[fast lodge]

Hey, @jaunty torrent. I noticed you restored one of my deletions concerning the Ohio river bridges getting destroyed. May I ask why? The entry for 1200 EDT on that day says the exact same thing, so I thought it was redundant.

[swift warren]

@atomic sage @robust latch Here is what i have talked about translation: https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Template_talk:About/fr.
All you need to translate is this code

{{#if: {{{1|}}}{{{2|}}}
  | This {{#if: {{{2|}}}
    | section
    | {{#switch: {{NAMESPACENUMBER}}
      | 0 = article
      | 14 = category
      | page
    }}
  }} is about {{{1}}}.
  | [[Category:Incorrect template usage]]
}}

you can bracket it with <includeonly> tag and add {{Documentation}} and {{Languages}} under <noinclude> tag. Don't translate the source code directly.

To be honest, it's kind of complex to explain it but it should better after the extension:translations is installed. So I'm waiting for it now.

you can always ping me or ask me on my talk page if you have any questions about translating templates.😊

[atomic sage]

Thank you @swift warren! Still, this is the code I used and the "for... see" part does not seem to be included

[swift warren]

It's under 'About/core' template

you can translate it in the same way.

[atomic sage]

We have to create about/core/fr and about/core/tr?

[swift warren]

yeah

[atomic sage]

Ohhh okay

I missed that sorry it explains eveything

[swift warren]

'about' template is a little complex so I have to create a sub-template for it, which results in transalting them become hard to understand. 😔

[robust latch]

Alright, thank you very much.

[atomic sage]

It's almost working!

How do I remove the /zh-hans in the end of the article link?

I already replaced it by /fr in the /core

[swift warren]

You don't need to add /fr after the link, It will be added automatically depending on which language code the current page is.

I guess you tested it on a /zh-hans page right?

[atomic sage]

No it's a /fr page

[swift warren]

oh that's wierd. Let me take a look.

[atomic sage]

It might come from here

It's the original /core doc

[swift warren]

oh. i should be removed.

I copied it from the translated zh-hans subpage and made some changes.😆

Emm I mean remove it from /core/fr subpage and /core/doc page in case you do something wrong.

[atomic sage]

Yeah, I did but it still adds /zh-hans in the end of the link

[swift warren]

let me check.

[swift warren]

try it again. It works fine in my browser.

[atomic sage]

On the french page? It is still the same for me but maybe it comes from my browser if it works on yours

[swift warren]

Tell me the code you called it and which page you used it.

Maybe just the wrong usage.

[atomic sage]

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Knox_Country/fr
This is the page on which I check
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Template:About/fr
And the template is here

[swift warren]

I have said there is no need to add /fr after the link 😂.

Check it now.

[atomic sage]

Oh it was still on the template 😓

Sorry my mistake

Thank you very much!

Is there a way I can change the displayed name of the article?

[swift warren]

Create that page if it isn't. Then add DISPLAYTITLE to change its title.

We recommend as many as possible pages with language code has a custom title with that magic word.

[atomic sage]

It woooorks! Thank you for your patience haha

[swift warren]

@robust latch I noticed you changed '''{{BASEPAGENAME}}''' anadili '''Türkçe''' olan bir kişidir. into '''Kullanıcı dili''' anadili '''Türkçe''' olan bir kişidir.. Is it more common in turkish? If not I recommend remaining the former style.

[atomic sage]

Does anyone know why each item is displayed twice on this crafting template? I checked the code since I tend to make dumb mistakes and each line is only written once 😅

[swift warren]

You copied the En ver but didn't delete it after translating it.

[robust latch]

it doesnt translate basepagename into kullanıcı dili, makes it remain as an english word so i decided not to use it

[swift warren]

But it will be replaced with the user name on the user page automatically. I thought it's not that bad. 🤔 The zh-hans also uses this style.

I changed the display of table into scrollable on https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Weapons. Is it better on your side? If so how about apply it on other tables?

[languid kayak]

Sorry, slowly catching up; forgot to reply on that message before but @digital helm basically said what I already wanted to say, we had period of time I think back before 41 was stable and before I was monitoring the changes regularly as I'm now, when the models were replaced; you can see them in page history for food.

The imgies should be restored and is loosely mentioned in https://pzwiki.net/wiki/PZwiki:Project_Build_41_Update - If you wish to take care of these, I can give you pointers to find those pages, but it's still a manual work, so may be quicker to just go through each food manually over time :D.

About the 3D images, it was never set in stone, especially since we have one page for multiple items often (that's mostly for rotten food, but also opened cans, water bottles, paint and some junk items as you know, maybe more), there are often more than 1 model.

There's new item infobox in progress by @digital helm, but I'm not sure whether the thought of having multiple models in it was included? If not, then the precedure for now would be

• main model as a main infobox image
• icon as alternative image
• other icons as alternative image
• and other models have to go to the gallery then (rotten food, different paint colors, etc.). Chosing main model might not be the most straightforward, I guess when the "main" item (i.e. non-rotten, non-opened food) should be chosen, but that might not always be the case

though ideally, we should adjust the infobox to list multiple models, something like TF2 wiki does e.g. for pyro models (the "3D" models they have is something we could incorporate in the future too, but I didn't take a look at it, might be too much effort for now), c.f., https://wiki.teamfortress.com/wiki/Pyro

[languid kayak]

I believe that's be the way, yeah. Though having in infobox would be ideal indeed 🤔

I guess in pages such as https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Chess_Pieces the white model should be removed, too.

[languid kayak]

I think it was intentional from the header? https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Template:Header#FAQs though I agree having colors set in stone could interfere with the dark mode, and having darkmode (or ideally even an OLED mode for phones), would be ideal in the future 🤔.

Not sure if allowing for different colors would help folks with limited vision too.

[languid kayak]

I was talking a look at that page and didn't decide anything, I think we should merge it, if would need to update some usage in deprecated templates (though ideally, I'd remove most of the templates that are now deprecated to not to worry too much in the future, else they are deprecated for (literally) years :P)

The only thing that prevents me from removing old navboxes are translations, mainly Russian and German I believe? Don't want to remove folks' edits, though might not be a lot. We currently don't have anyone actively updating Russian and German pages though

[languid kayak]

I used the same for Polish, but it soulds less natural, I worked around it to keep the user name, but normally it'd be pluralized, so should be "Faalagorna" or "Vibance'a" (and implementing the rules for this would be really complex to figure it right). If I'd be dedicated to translate it word by word so some languages might have problem with that 😄

[robust latch]

I changed it back to bsepagename

[atomic sage]

Damn... Thank you 😅

[naive imp]

@languid kayak can you accept my friend request? I want to make sure I can send you the paragraph for the summary

[languid kayak]

I've been going through the recent changes backlog now and I noticed you changed the userboxes @swift warren, but some of the bots used the retired in the template, you think it's worth noting inactive bots somehow? The retired list is here: https://pzwiki.net/wiki/PZwiki:Bots#List_of_bots and some bots have the banner, while some don't, like Connal's https://pzwiki.net/wiki/User:TestBot vvs https://pzwiki.net/wiki/User:ConnallTheCoble

[languid kayak]

BTW guys, what should we do with the sacks of fruits/veggies? Redirect them to the veggies in question? Make a new article? https://pzwiki.net/wiki/PZwiki:Item_List

[languid kayak]

btw, @jaunty torrent @swift warren @digital helm as the remaining project leaders, I doubt you'd want to write something as well but if you do, feel free to DM me as well 🙂

[restive adder]

Not sure they need their own pages? If there's a page for the food item could send there -- link just the word Tomatoes, instead of sack of tomatoes?

[languid kayak]

yeah, guess so, especially since we do the same with the box of nails/paperclips/ammo/jars/eggs/whatever, guess I'll make redirects for these 👍

[languid kayak]

I'm just going through your changes, really nice work, and the Knox Event page is getting into a better and better shape now, which is nice seeing it's mostly from a relatively fresh event that took place 🙂

[fast lodge]

I really appreciate that. Thank you.

Oh, right. @jaunty torrent, I was still hoping to know why the second bit about the bridges blowing up was restored.

[swift warren]

I will try to add it to all of them if possible, as it's a better way to categorize them without adding their names to the table manually.

[languid kayak]

BTW @swift warren you noted https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Special:WhatLinksHere/Template:Ambox is safe to delete, but what about Ombox? Do we even use it?

I still have to decide whether/how to merge mbox templates, unless you want to, then go for it, I'll remove the pages marked then!

Not sure we even have to use the *mbox terminology 🤔 For reference, here's the MediaWiki page on various types: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Template:Mbox

[languid kayak]

Might be because the link was broken, see https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Knox_Event&curid=11388&diff=173925&oldid=173915 I re-removed that now with the fixed link https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Knox_Event&type=revision&diff=176597&oldid=174659

[fast lodge]

I left a link broken? Thanks for your diligence.

[swift warren]

there are some pages using ombox, but it has been noted deprecated. We will clear it eventually. I will try to replace it with new mbox then.

[languid kayak]

I'll keep ambox for a while and remove them both when done then 🙂 Just leave the deletion notice as usual on ombox when done and I'll get into it eventually 😛

Hm, I wonder if we can assume that? @fast lodge Information we got is very vague, likely just a flavor text from Pat that doesn't matter in the end, but I guess we can ask Pat directly 🤔 https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Knox_Event&curid=11388&diff=174085&oldid=174083 (not sure he likes to be pinged though :P)

[fast lodge]

Pat explicitly refused to offer “unscrambled” versions of the tweets. If you have better luck with getting his input, I’d be happy to help in making the adjustments.

To answer your question as to why I wrote that specifically, @languid kayak, I was inspired by a forum post on the Indie Stone concerning the fall of Britain to the Knox Infection.

There was a bit in there about paintings being quietly evacuated from museums to a secure location and I thought that was a neat touch that fit into one of the blanks I found.

Because that is something people would be doing on the brink of societal collapse and it adds variety to the page.

[languid kayak]

Thanks! Forgot about cornmeal, it's indeed not seem to spawning anywhere, so marked it as future 🙂

[languid kayak]

Huh, just realized we have https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Companions page

Might be a better name for npc survivors indeed 🤔

the alive ones that is 😄

c.f. https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Survivor

[swift warren]

BTW, How is the progress of extension:translation? 👀

[swift warren]

You mean just remove User bot on retired bots? Maybe it's ok, we only need to know which bots are active.

TestBot's page is protected so I cannot edit it. If you decide not to track those retired bots, just remove them and you can delete Bot eventually.

I think there is no need to clarify approved and unapproved, too. It's difficult for common users to do massive edits with the same/default agent-header (I tried before), they will be blocked or403 immediately.

[swift warren]

I can't edit pages transcluding Ambox because many of them are protected. 😂

[swift warren]

Do you like this kind of mboxes? Maybe we can apply them but may need to write something on Mediawiki:Common.css.

[digital helm]

Having something like the TF2 infoboxes (or most fandom infoboxes now), where you can select or cycle through the models would be ideal. But I have no idea how this could be done. Back in the old days, the Minecraft wiki (before going to fandom) had the icons clickable, which would change the "larger" image (model) to the selected item. Something like that would be ideal. @swift warren do you know how that could be done?

[digital helm]

I like it! Just let us know what you need in CSS and we can add it

(could probably do with a cleanup, but it's hard to tell what's in use)

[swift warren]

I will look through them and tell you if I find a resolution.

[swift warren]

Still under testing though. 😂 It's hard for testing because some need pseudo-elements which I cannot test directly. I found wikipedia has a custom css and js file for each user, is that doable for this wiki?

[swift warren]

Please give me the link to those infoboxes so that I can see the effects. I don't know those fancy infoboxes before. 😔

[languid kayak]

Oh, I meant marking them as retired... Though actually, maybe it could be simpler? Though as far as bots goes, we already have the bot user group (same with admins), so this is not something to be extremely reliant on detecting bots 😛

[languid kayak]

was wondering that yesterday too 😄 (as it's Kirrus' tasks, unfortunately not much we can help I guess)

(unless we can, then I'm fine with testing)

[languid kayak]

oh lol. Either you can mention them, pass me the code, or do it in sandbox then, and I'll take a look

I'll take a look over the weekend I guess

[languid kayak]

you can test custom css in your userpage I believe? Unless that's beyond that

Not sure it's enabled, https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgAllowUserCss

but should be, as it's default on recent mediawikis

[swift warren]

I didn't find that option.

Or is it elsewhere?

[swift warren]

I'm considering redesigning the mbox for all notice boxes. Maybe do it after I finished this.

@languid kayak 👀

[digital helm]

@restive adder are you able to check if this is enabled? Or if it's something that could be enabled? Would be good for testing without editing the common.css

Same with js https://mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgAllowUserJs

[restive adder]

Added to todo

[digital helm]

Thank you

[restive adder]

No, too significant security implications

User CSS has security implications as well, but it's a little harder to use maliciously. Will need to keep close eye on what people are doing with it

[swift warren]

user css only works on user side i think? why security implications 👀

[restive adder]

Can be used as part of social engineering attack

Potentially vector for cross-site-scripting as well (XSS)

[swift warren]

Then i will have no way to test it.😔

Demo finished. Need further improvement.

[languid kayak]

was my thought to; CSS might not be as fragile, but JS be better keep off disabled.

and as always, mandatory relevand XKCD https://xkcd.com/327/

xkcd: Exploits of a Mom

Her daughter is named Help I'm trapped in a driver's license factory.

[swift warren]

A SQL joke? I seldom see foreign jokes on my local social media platform (except for some memes, they spread rapidly and are easy to understand).

[swift warren]

I took a look at that box. Unfortunately the cyclable model is enabled by js. 😔

It's a big waste that we don't make full use of common.css and common.js pages with so many items and locations in this game.

[languid kayak]

yeah, if you don't know XKCD I recommend reading 😛 You should probably get it without explaining but there's always a handy site https://explainxkcd.com/327/ (just add "explain" before any xkcd comic)

[loud anvil]

im trying to make a page for the ohio river, but the infobox is refusing to work for me

and yeah- im doing this in school on my chromebook

well

i forgot the }} at the end..

fixed tho

[fervent saffron]

theres a very very miniscule problem with the way {{Translation}} and {{Infobox}} works

Problem: Upon trying to use the translated version of an infobox, say {{Infobox normal/ko ...}}, within a translated template documentation, the infobox will fail to be translated properly.

Cause: A translated template documentation does not end with the /[lang code] (indeed for example, it would end with .../ko/doc) in its title, unlike how a normal translated article would have a trailing /[lang code] in its title (for example, Water/ko). As such, when the translated infobox passes the arguments to the master infobox, the language information is lost, as the {{Translation}} template only looks at the {{#titleparts: {{FULLPAGENAME}} | | -1 }}.

Fix: Since the language settings in {{Translation}} is set via a #switch that takes {{lang|{{#titleparts: {{FULLPAGENAME}} | | -1 }}}} as its argument, one may simply add a line |lang = [lang code] in the definition of the translated versions of {{Infobox}}es that passes on the language settings.

[languid kayak]

will take a look, unless @swift warren gets to it first 😄

BTW @swift warren @digital helm you think it's good to have a contributor for a finished Vehicles and Mechanics project? ThinkDock was the one who got it to the end, but not sure about previous contributors; else it'll stay with "Unassigned" forever 😉

in https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Template:Project_table

Also; sorry for ping 3rd time in a row, but @swift warren seems KcFuture is counted twice since they have a separate /zh-hans subpage. Are we going to support that usecase?

[languid kayak]

btw @fervent saffron since you speak Korean, maybe you want to translate sidebar as well? The translations need to be uploaded by an admin, so you can just paste them here or anywhere you prefer: https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Help:Translations#Sidebar_translations

[languid kayak]

okay, seems you fixed it with https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Template:Infobox_normal/ko&curid=16593&diff=176779&oldid=109087, right?

[fast lodge]

Added minor improvement to Knox Event page. Riker’s Island has an extremely large prison complex, so I thought it would be important to make it clear why people would try to secure the island by mentioning the prison.

[languid kayak]

yeah, saw it just now, looks good 👌

@swift warren yet another ping; I guess replacing categories in https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Category:Version with a template would be a viable task for a bot if you want to do it? If not, could be done manually, but I find other things to do 😄

Also, to remove categories from Item script parameters and Scripts guide in https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Special:WantedCategories

[swift warren]

i prefer the table as it is instead for keeping consistence. But also ok if you really want to add one.

[swift warren]

he added it on /zh-hans and transclude it to its user page, which cause this issue. Moving the zh-hans one to the user page will done.

[languid kayak]

Table is nice, I'm gonna go through your sandbox of the community project, though maybe not this week(end). I was more wondering if we should make someone a leader for a closed project here, to avoid the unassigned 🤔

[languid kayak]

I moved a few when doing some cleaning in the https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Special:WantedCategories though I wonder; is it worth to keep pages for the old versions as well? There are few old Japanese pages there that don't exist in any other language anymore (English included)

[swift warren]

I mean the record(not table itself sorry). If the project is not yet officially assigned by someone (even the project has been closed), just remain what it is. It's a record for what the project is about and when it ends.

[swift warren]

Maybe it's better not to create those categories until some Japanese editors update them.

That translating method may be deprecated. There will be a better way to translate it after we install the Extension:Translate by Kirrus. Before that you can use /ko version temporarily.

[fervent saffron]

aye i did, but i feared the problem would still exist in other languages as well

[fervent saffron]

sure maybe ill help with it when ive time

[languid kayak]

you can also add DISPLAYTITLE to https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Main_Page/ko so it will display in the browser title; should be the same as Wikipedia's main page

[swift warren]

I found the reason. It is caused by Template:Header that add it to incorrect category (e.g. Scripts guide/Evolved Recipe Script Guide in page Scripts guide/Evolved Recipe Script Guide instead of Scripts guide), BUT it has been fixed in the new Header: https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Template:Header/sandbox as well as https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Template:Header/sandbox2.

@digital helm Please let me know if you have any suggestions, or decide to merge any of those pages/templates in my Todo list: https://pzwiki.net/wiki/User:Vibrance/todo#Improvement. Otherwise they will still be sandboxes (or I will also remove them if you are not satisfied with them).

And the userboxes need your opinions, too: https://pzwiki.net/wiki/User:Vibrance/todo#Bot.

[fast lodge]

Added flavor to the fall of Neuschwanstein Castle. I thought it would be perfectly ironic if an airborne immune survivor spread the airborne disease after they were bitten, so I chose that.

[jaunty torrent]

Using a vpn.
Sigh. will log out of VPN.

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[fast lodge]

Just got your message, @jaunty torrent. Thanks! It was no problem at all. If anything I’m sorry about the mountain of back-to-back edits. My perfectionism gets the better of me and forces me to change my mind on small details.

[languid kayak]

Yeah, I saw that yesterday, didn't decide anything solid yet.

Was thinking about the new main page and community layot, might pull the trigger and implement it, just not sure I want to do this this weekend or maybe the next one 🤔? Would probably be good to implement it all for the regional pages so the translators have things to do 😄

We lost the screenshots, but I doubt it's that useful really, brings extra load for the main page as well, not something good in general for fast loading, especially for mobile. We could show more blog posts too, now that the community news are in community portal and we can remove the link to community project from the sidebar as well.

I saw the links are shuffled a little, not sure if it's intenional or was it based off the old version? e.g. the "equipment" section is gone from items, which isn't terrible. The Multiplayer FAQ and Survival Guide are missing; these could be merged I guess, but that's a lot of work

[restive adder]

Images generally are a good idea for pages, increases engagement

[languid kayak]

hm, what are your thoughs of the current page https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Main_Page vs https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Main_Page/sandbox then?

I know these all might change again if we decide to try any of the new skins (current candidates are https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Skin:Cosmos used on Indiependent Fallout Wiki and https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Skin:Citizen suggested by Vibrance, but to tell the truth, I didn't researched it througouhly yet)

Though I do adjust, but I'm an a wrong person to ask, as I'm an old timer who likes the old mediawiki skins better 😄

[languid kayak]

Vaileasys said to me, that he might be with a limited internet access this weekend 😩 but IMHO we don't need the language levels; it overcomplicates things for such a small project as we are, and we should focus on what is the native language for contributions (though we don't prevent contributions from folks learning other languages, so the "native" part will be stretched).

I don't think we really need the programming userboxes, not many folks use it, and it's not really relevant (well, technically could be used to know who can write tools/mods for the wiki/PZ in what programming languages, but IMO it again adds extra mainteneance burden for little to none benefit).

[swift warren]

I prefer translate the page after installing the Extension:Translates as that extension will change the site a lot.

It was based off the old one, just a demo, the content can change anytime once you determine the layout.

[swift warren]

In my opinion, Project translation is bigger than Build 41 Updates and other projects as it requires more contributors with each language. Maybe some of us can all contribute to the Build 41 Updates with some info. But currently only a few people can contribute to certain language pages (e.g. jp has been outdated for a while). So it's better to figure out who is native in which language so that we can track their progress.

So maybe we can just remove the programming userboxes then.

[languid kayak]

yeah, but I'd keep just the native, not the levels. Differentiation before "I barely know french" isn't going to help us with that in the long run 😄

And if someone is so proficient with the language that's not technically native but near-native or advanced enough to contribute, I don't mind them using the "native" infobox.

[swift warren]

Ok then. You mean we can remove User program & Userbox-level, right? I will remove the related transclusions.

[languid kayak]

I think so, unless someone really oposes to that

[swift warren]

Should we remain this: https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Template:User_fi ? Only one user is using it but the wiki hasn't supported it yet.

[languid kayak]

I'd say yeah, I don't mind adding wiki versions not supported by the game if contributors are found and, plus I think someone talked about Finish translation in #translations

And yeah, I stumbled upon this before too 🙂

#translations message

[swift warren]

@languid kayak Done. You can remove them now.

[languid kayak]

When cleaning up the old templates, I realized that unlike Wikipedia, out of languages only English one had levels and got a second thoughs whether we need to differentiate English knowlege with wiki being first off English, but I guess it's not important… we should have enough tools available for folks not speaking English at all to be able to contribute so no need to differentage between English knowledge alone, but giving a moment for thoughts before removing the rest?

Might wait till tomorrow or so, if not I'll remove the rest of the old userbox templates from https://pzwiki.net/wiki/User:Vibrance/todo especially since I'll have some project userboxes cleanups to do, then we can remove the task from https://pzwiki.net/wiki/PZwiki:Tasks (outside maybe deciding on images for project and other infoboxes)

[swift warren]

Considering the scale of this wiki, we may don't have extra ability to maintain non-English page which is not translated from the En one. I think they can leave their info on talk page with their spoken languages. (e.g. Chinese users can give advise on Main Page/zh-hans's talk page about it in Chinese).

[languid kayak]

We already have two or so of such pages by the way 😄 https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Mods/Silent_Hill_Mod/ru and at least one guide (I think it was Japanese ones, but I don't remember now).

I was thinking the idea of having en1 to en5 would be figuring out how easily foreign contributor can communicate with others, since we all talk in English, but I guess it's not that important, yeah.

Especially to bother with many new categories and templates

[swift warren]

It can be more feasible if there are more active users.

[languid kayak]

seems spiffo icons on mobile take a lottle too much space, on Firefox Focus on my phone, doesn't happen under Chrome 🤔

[languid kayak]

That's nice actually, should fix issues with other categories such as https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Category:VHS_tapes/93 while it I guess (and potentially future ones).

Gonna wait for @digital helm review where he can, but that's be something nice to have.

I'm also on the verge of merging https://pzwiki.net/wiki/PZwiki:Community_portal/sandbox and would be nice to do it before fiddling too much with projects (I noticed you already removed the link from Project Translations; that's something that could technically be done once the projects are merged) – I left it to decide before merging your sandbox work for community portal, and so your flex table design for projects in the meantime before removing your sandbox, but I'm still undecided if it's worth for potentially short time left it might be there.

Merging it all now would be good material for tomorrow's post (which is probably going to be long in the first place; we had a lot work done this month), but would like to have a second opinion from @digital helm or someone else, hence my delay 😄

Not straight removing https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Template:Bot as well till we decide what to do with the TestBot (Connal is not going to be active anymore, so his two bots were disabled; the TestBot could be kept just in case it would be needed for something, though I can't imagine what for) 😄 We also lost the information whether a bot uses AWB or pywiki bot, but I guess it was redundant anyway; still waiting a little before a complete removal.

[robust latch]

Can i add {{Languages}} to this: https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Template:Building_multi_location

I am planning to translate it so

I dont want to mess up and nuke 1/3 of the wiki 😄

Also shall i ever make header/tr?

[languid kayak]

this one shouldn't hurt, yeah

[languid kayak]

The header should be automatically translated using database from https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Template:Translation IIRC

BTW @restive adder, really minor, but I won't be myself if I won't mention, seems that Vibrance accidentally removed your wave o/ from the user page when updating userboxes – not sure you want to add it back or not 😛 https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=User%3AKirrus&type=revision&diff=171937&oldid=154583

[restive adder]

sighanother thing for the todo list 😉

[languid kayak]

Okay, all templates other than https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Template:Bot should be removed now @swift warren

I added the images for seat yourself furniture and spiffo's construction crew in https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Template:User_project, though I may replace them eventually when adding more images (maybe spiffo images? Would make me sort through them maybe?). However, previously there were separate images for the leader and contributor; do you think it's worth having support for both?

I also did some cleanups for projects too and the project infobox which should be utilized on every project now. Will probably think for a matching image for every project later on, too.

[robust latch]

I made a header/tr same as spanish and russian headers, question is, does changing every pages header to header/tr is gonna break something? Should i do it? Should i leave it?

[languid kayak]

I'd leave it, as I think the header shouldn't be translated manually, see https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Build_41/zh-hans for example

I think the language bar and the regional headers could be removed actually, as they cause confusion 🤔. You can ask Vibrance to be sure where he comes around, as he improved things a lot recently too.

Finally, we might have a new template allowing us to make translations easier so less confusion hopefully 😛

[robust latch]

<!-- Header -->
| Navigation = 导航
| Page updated = 页面更新于
| Main index = 主菜单
| Unknown Version = 未知版本 this one does it i think

if i understood correctly

[languid kayak]

BTW, was wondering why you wasn't counted for Turkish speakers in https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Category:Tr_speaker – hope you don't mind edit 😉 https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=User%3AKsilem&type=revision&diff=177593&oldid=173879

[robust latch]

i dont mind

ty

[fast lodge]

My ongoing project on the Knox Event page is about finished. I’ve added a new entry that was missed from Twitter. Furthermore, the entries without timestamps have either been removed or rolled into entries that happen at the same time.

[fast lodge]

Hm? @jaunty torrent, why are you restoring the deletions?

The radio interference one isn’t even gone. I just moved it to a timestamp. The martial law thing never happened (it doesn’t come up in searches), and the bit about survivors being allowed into the border camp is redundant now because one of the Twitter entries brings it up.

[jaunty torrent]

your brilliant! keep it up, we can use help with locations!

[jaunty torrent]

ok. i just dont like deleting content, but if it never happened, that is cool.

[jaunty torrent]

why delete something that maybe used later? At the very least it can be used as a template for other people to use to create new templates.

[languid kayak]

mainteneance, mostly

But even the ones at Wikipedia are used sparsely, and they have way more contributors, so keeping it simple is the way to go IMO 👌

[jaunty torrent]

disagree. on many levels.

https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:MsUpload
Msupload
The squeeky wheel gets the grease.

[languid kayak]

AFAIK Kirrus is working on it, giving him some space, but right now I think when all location files are uploaded it won't be so terribly needed. At worst case, if you need to/will have trouble with uploading something, DM them to me and I'll take a look. Though we still have to categorize/remove/cleanups some of the existing images, though Vibrance did some great job on categorization so far 😄

[swift warren]

There are too many uncategorised images. The main reason is people who upload files seldom like to leave a summary or a category. I can only categorise them one by one, and edit them with bot.

[swift warren]

New users will have trouble using the userbox when there are so many templates (both new one and old one).

[languid kayak]

Still a great work so far 🙂 I'll get into it eventually too (hopefully 😩)

(hopefully soon™er than later)

[swift warren]

A painful work to me. 😔 The amount is big but can hardly be done with automatic program.

[languid kayak]

I used to go through them one by one removing some duplicates (we still have some; the duplicated icons are intentional though potentially redirects would suffice https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Special:ListDuplicatedFiles) – doesn't really matter for server as far as I remember Kirrus saying (the map takes way much more traffic than wiki anyway) and images are heavily catches and I believe those duplicates are cached ones, but yeah, for organizational it matters. However, there are a lot of slightly different images (moved one pixel here and there) of icons that were uploaded over the 10+ years or PNG/GIF animations and really old screenshots that should be replaced.

Guess that's why I moved it down the https://pzwiki.net/wiki/PZwiki:Tasks#Low_priority and moved categorization to https://pzwiki.net/wiki/PZwiki:Tasks#High_priority so I can categorize images while at it (but never really went into it much :P)

[jaunty torrent]

Has anyone joined the project zomboid test branch

Quote

Project Zomboid Build 42 is the biggest update to the game yet, with new crafting mechanics, weapons, customization options, and the ability to extend the length of sandbox campaigns.
Players can access the new features early by joining the Project Zomboid test branch, although there is a risk of encountering bugs or corrupt save files.

[restive adder]

B42 is not available for public testing yet, only TIS

[swift warren]

I browsed templates on mediawiki and wikipedia and found that in mediawiki it doesn't use /doc to load the documentation but adds it to the template itself. wikipedia use /doc to load the documentation. But wikipedia doesn't end with language code to load each translations, which may hard for us to learn from. I think how about considering the following structure:

Template:Header
|- Template:Header/doc
   |- /doc/ru
   |- /doc/fr
   |- ...
|- Template:Header/ru
|- Template:Header/fr
...

As for templates like Header, which don't require a translated template for other languages, but other users may need a translated documentation to know the usage. In this structure we don't have to create /ru to make space for /ru/doc documentation.

[jaunty torrent]

What does tis mean?
This is a quote from a news article

[restive adder]

The Indie Stone; Devs

[jaunty torrent]

Oh..shame it is incorrect news article

[restive adder]

Sounds like someone might have used gpt and it got mixed up with 41

Gonna be a while yet for 42 public testing

[naive imp]

I know. I didn't know about the categories when I first started editing so tbh a lot of it is my fault. Once I get all the spawn towns up to date with locations and maps I'll go back through and categorize all the images I've ever uploaded.

I've been crazy busy with my new car salesman job as of late but now that they've actually given me a work schedule I'll be back to my usual level of activity

[languid kayak]

Doesn't help we are still focusing on category layout 😄 Hopefully soon™ though

Anyway guys, a new monthly summary is up! Thank you everyone who contributed; the next one will be in 2024 🎉
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/PZwiki:News#December_2023

[languid kayak]

seems it's https://screenrant.com/project-zomboid-build-42-update-details/ though it seems that whoever wrote it confused it with the build 41 tests indeed 🤷. (unless someone stalked internal dev team playing on their own servers :D)

[worthy igloo]

That article features multiple factual inaccuracies and should not be used as a reference by anyone.

It looks like the text was AI generated as well.

[jaunty torrent]

Yes it was

[jaunty torrent]

What other inaccuracies?

[jaunty torrent]

About Build 42, it's what Kirrus said, only what we get in the https://projectzomboid.com/blog/ unless you are a developer (which some modders were promoted from to, but I'm pretty sure it's all under NDA anyway; plus they alone don't want to spoil too much :D). If you'd somehow be able to run Steam, you'd have the access to build 42 early when it's released in IWBUMS (not mentioning access to everything after Build 41.60 which is A LOT if you read the patch notes https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Build_41#Beta_Build_41.60 (gonna add more patchlogs for the iwbums, maybe today even).

Kinda weird you can't get it to running, in Russia only buying some games is blocked by developers and some payment methods from Russia are not available – unlike continental China which without VPN have only access to restricted version of the store at https://store.steamchina.com/

If you really have trouble registering the account, maybe https://help.steampowered.com/en/ can help? If you manage to go through, activating the key should be straightforward, you can do that from the client or the browser then.

Iwbums

The public 'I Will Back Up My Save' beta for the long-awaited Build 41 is now open for testing by the Project Zomboid community.

Clearly an inner code for the 🤓 nerds at indie store

[restive adder]

Nah, that's the public beta code, it's just not updated right now, not on 42. Article is AI gen, don't trust anything in it

[fast lodge]

I did a word search for “martial law” on the wiki. It only points to this page without a source. None of the radio dialogue mentions it. So, someone made it up.

[jaunty torrent]

Cool maybe a fan boy 👦😎 who created this 😀
Good job
Hal.
Like the computer in 2001 a space Odyssey

@languid kayak can we create a contest next month to name a building 🤔 a business ..
Maybe the devs will listen to us.
I propose the unnmaed gunship in Louisville
Even if hey ignore us
It would be fun and get people to participate

Nice job on the November report faal
I need to find my glasses and I will read it more

Maybe we can create a user icon advertising a person is mentioned in the report.
I imagine most people have no idea
Or I can rename one of the Barnstars

Ikip, as always, has absolutely knocked it out of the park this month! Not only did he add adverts to the articles of nearly every company advertised, he also did a great job in starting to categorize the navbox businesses template to make it easier to read! Great job! While the template isn’t in its final form and there are likely some additional changes and cleanups on the way later down the line, it's an absolutely fantastic start and will certainly work for now. Great work!

Thanks @naive imp

Following ThinkDock suggestion, this is the first month where each of the project leaders get a chance to say something, but right now only ThinkDock took the occasion, but thanks anyway

I missed the memo 🤷‍♂️ 💤😴

[naive imp]

I thought he pinged all the project leaders? It's possible you mightve missed the notification tho

[naive imp]

Credit where credit is due my friend. Keep it up!

[jaunty torrent]

Note the 💤😴🛏 sleeping icons
He texted me on discord but I didn't pay as much attention as I should of.

[naive imp]

Ah. Emojjis can be a bit lost on me sometimes lol

[jaunty torrent]

And you too my friend!

[jaunty torrent]

In Russia all their emojis are blind
I am told because the way the Russian keyboard is different then English
))))))
Is smiley faces 😀
Emojis on galaxy 9 note Rock 🎸
As you type emojis come up to choose

[languid kayak]

If you make it late now, I'll add it post-factum 😉

[jaunty torrent]

Ohhhh. As a lawyer I love Latin.
Truth be told not much to say. lol 😆

[languid kayak]

Then just delay it to the next month; you have a whole month to do so 😉

[jaunty torrent]

I would rather focus on giving shiny ✨ prizes to people for being mentioned on the November December newsletter

[languid kayak]

But yeah, modding project is barely new, so not much to say in the fisrt place

[jaunty torrent]

canot register steam with free kaspersky VPN.
i dont have the money to buy a dedicated VPN.
I cannot register with my Russian IP. There maybe hackers that use my IP here in moscow. @languid kayak thanks for trying to help!

steam simply wont work, I pass the capcha and it either gives me an error code or the "I am not a robot" box becomes unchecked.

thanks anyway!

[robust latch]

"This is a documentation subpage for Template:Documentation subpage. " WHY stop there? 😄

[languid kayak]

@steady rain I already responded on Vibrance's user page, but if you want to translate it to the german, here are the strings: https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Help:Translations#Sidebar_translations – just send them to me in whatever form you want! I also saw you wanted to use the Swedish language bar; that's something to thing to adding to, not sure if the game has any (unofficial) translation, but I don't mind having one on wiki if you want to 😛 you can view the MediaWiki translations via https://pzwiki.net/&uselang=sv

[languid kayak]

Have you tried without the VPN though?

[fast lodge]

I’m not sure that’s allowed from Russia.

[languid kayak]

On Steam they should, it's up for developers whether they allow selling the game on Russia, but Steam itself operates in Russian region.

[steady rain]

Jo, thanks for the headsup. I realized only afterwards that there is no real need for a Swedish thing, there is danish and norwegian and I guess it's close enough. Everyone speaks English up here anyways 😉 Thanks for the heads-up, I will give the sidebar a go. I translated parts of the german main page now....let's see. 🙂

[languid kayak]

yeah, I noticed 😄 German was slightly neglected, but I don't mind more and more languages being added 😉

Seems the Swedish translation is being worked on as well: #translations message

[steady rain]

You seem to know everything around here... 🙂

Well, my swedish is decent but I guess since there is noone for German apparently and a handful swedes....might as well stick to one turf for now. I will make that sidebar-list

[languid kayak]

not really but thanks 😄

[steady rain]

better to write the sidebar here or on the wiki? The wiki removes the linebreaks...does that matter?

[languid kayak]

doesn't matter; folks send it to me on DM 😄

[steady rain]

alright

[swift warren]

#pzwiki_editing message
@languid kayak Does this question have an end?

[jaunty torrent]

Yes. The last photos were without a vpn

[languid kayak]

Ironically I was thinking about it yesterday right before the sleep :D, but didn't do any research; keep in mind that it'd require making a new image, mind you. Actually, might take a look at that now that

https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgLogo#Vary_logo_per_language

If you (or anyone) make a regionalized logo, I'll upload it and modify the CSS then 👌

Here's the original logo to edit: https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:pzwlogo.png

Yeah, tested it and it just works 😛 So if anyone want to translate the logo, you have to edit the image. I'm not sure what the font is, maybe @digital helm knows?

[swift warren]

However, it doesn't show on Vector-2022 skin.

[languid kayak]

oooh, now I get what you meant, let me see if that's translatable then

[swift warren]

Is my English so bad? 😂

[languid kayak]

Nah, I forgot about the skill's existence and was really curious where the "project zomboid wiki" is and came to the conclusion it must be the one on the logo lol

It seems that the site notice aligns wrong on that skin too, something to take a look at, assuming we won't be changing skins 🤔

[swift warren]

I think the vector-2022 is not bad. But as a game wiki, it may require some customization.

Also I recommend it as default skin as mediawiki and wikipedia both set this as default skin.

And the new sidebar translation in zh-hans: 僵尸毁灭工程wiki.

[languid kayak]

yeah 😩 Not really fond of them, but I guess it's the way to go, this or a new skin. To actually change the default skin, I think it'd have to be Kirrus to do so?

Also, translation is up: https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?uselang=zh-hans&useskin=vector-2022

One of the recent discussion about the skin though 😛 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Talk:Reading/Web/Desktop_Improvements#WHY_WAS_THIS_ADDED?!

But yeah, guess the new skins are the way to go in general, just have to adjust at some point 😛

[languid kayak]

@pallid cave You want to translate the Project Zomboid Wiki too? https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?uselang=th&useskin=vector-2022

[pallid cave]

I don't think I have the capacity to handle that right now due to work overload

[robust latch]

Hey, is this: https://pzwiki.net/wiki/The_Indie_Stone outdated, or is it good? Seeing that you are changing some of the old pages i figured i should ask first before i start to translate.

[swift warren]

I stoped it,too.

[languid kayak]

It's okay-ish, last updated in 2019 by Vaileasys, might be updated eventually, but it's of low priority I guess 😛

[languid kayak]

oh right, I meant just that one string 😛 It's shown on the header. But yeah, translating the whole wiki would be too much investment to ask indeed 😄

[languid kayak]

That was a response to that, can't send screenshots for some reason now 🤔

(either way, it's a string on top of the sidebar, it's only visible in the new skin and I noticed you translated the Project Zomboid below that)

Alternatively pinging @spiral crystal too in case you guys want to have it translated 😛

[spiral crystal]

I can’t translate it rn either

I don’t have any examples for translation

From what I know there isn’t a single page translated yet

[languid kayak]

I meant just that string, but no worries 😄

[jaunty torrent]

working on categories of buildings and businesses

https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:MsUpload

[pallid cave]

Oh, okay. Do other languages translate the Project Zomboid title?

วิกิ Project Zomboid

วิกิโปรเจกต์ซอมบอยด์

[restive adder]

You want MsUpload. I know. Please stop requesting it, it's on my todo list. Continuing to badger about it will result in it going down in priority, not up

@swift warren AllowUserCss now enabled. Caching might mess it up still, CSS is typically very heavily cached, let me know if it is and I can see if I can tweak it for you

[steady rain]

I mean, if your IP would be the problem, can you not try registration on your phone or something? At the library? It seems unlikely that's the problem (are IPs in Russia not also changed every 24 hours?). I thought Steam cannot process payments involving any banks in Russia, Ukraine, or Belarus, maybe they just banned the creation of accounts then? (But didn't disallow access of already-registered users...).
If only the registration is the problem, you can always ask someone to create an account for you from abroad with an email address of your liking 😉

[jaunty torrent]

Good idea
I can try another location to register
Problem is my laptop cord is broken and laptop is old
So I can't use laptop anywhere but at home
Maybe once I register there will be no problem
Thanks pohly

[jaunty torrent]

I didn't flag you.
I won't post a link anymore 😔

[languid kayak]

Thanks! Not sure what other languages do, I'd have to check the game files. 🤔 I know Vibrance uses for Simplified Chinese, not sure about others, just noticed yours, hence the ping 😛

I guess I'll use the second translation (วิกิโปรเจกต์ซอมบอยด์) since Project Zomboid header is translated simirarily, as โปรเจกต์ซอมบอยด์ as well; at worst they can be changed, thanks!

👌

[swift warren]

@languid kayak test template has many subpages, don't forget to remove them, too.

[swift warren]

👀

[jaunty torrent]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:AutoWikiBrowser and Pywikibot
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Pywikibot/en

python program

https://github.com/wikimedia/pywikibot

https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Pywikibot/Overview

[swift warren]

@digital helm A new infobox demo here: https://pzwiki.net/wiki/User:Vibrance/infobox. With flex layout and collapsible contents, it may help design new sub-infoboxes.

[jaunty torrent]

List of scripts:
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Pywikibot/Scripts
add text to the end or beginning of a wiki page:
This is a script which helps to add a text at the end of the page but above categories:
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Pywikibot/add_text.py

https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Pywikibot/Workshop_Materials/How_to_run_basic_scripts_(self-study)

Add categories to a Mediawiki:
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Pywikibot/category.py

[swift warren]

Only bot can use these scripts. It's better to DM him instead of sending these here.

[jaunty torrent]

who? Direct message who...
I believe you dont have to be an admin to use pywikibot python

Creating categories for all businesses/buildings.....
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/PZwiki:Project_Locations_and_Maps#Phase_two
Welcome to help!

[swift warren]

I mean DM Faal.🤦‍♂️

[jaunty torrent]

I am adding python info here, for future users that search for python and pywikibot in this field. 12:20 pm here in moscow. tired of eating cold 16 ruble pasta and bread.

[swift warren]

OK ok.

[languid kayak]

I am fully aware of the two, I am the one who pointed them out 😄 But yeah, only bot bots can do it, I have one, but I've been too busy lazy to use it most of the time. I might at once.

[languid kayak]

I believe folks that have bots are aware though, technically AWB can be used for non-bot accounts, but it's not recommended, you may get autoblocked if you mess things up and things might be hard to revert.

[jaunty torrent]

Yep.

[languid kayak]

btw, since you are all there @swift warren @jaunty torrent and pinging @steady rain as he did the art; what about using userboxes for awards instead of copying Barnstars? The barnstar art might stay, just put it in awards such as https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Template:User_Award/FrontPageDesigner – should be easier to put and showcase into people's user pages and would serve the same feature; less code to maintain too if they all will use the same feature

[jaunty torrent]

It is a radical idea.
Userboxes are used as identification only on wikipedia
Not as awards
If you all like the 💡 idea power to you

User boxes are not able to add unique comments
But can be changed to do so

[languid kayak]

We're not Wikipedia though 😛

[jaunty torrent]

Yes. So go for it. 🤷‍♂️

[swift warren]

I think Barnstars are used in users' talk page instead of normal pages. In this way it should not be a userbox design.

Maybe it's better to design a pz-barnstar customized for pzwiki instead copy it from wikipedia.

[jaunty torrent]

@steady rain is our resident 😎 expert on images

[robust latch]

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Template:Notice/tr/doc: I couldnt figure out how to translate "template page". https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Template:Documentation_subpage/tr: in here i only translated the english words but its not enough, i guess?

[swift warren]

Template is a namespace called by {{SUBJECTSPACE}}, page is here:

{{ #if: {{SUBJECTSPACE}} |{{lc:{{SUBJECTSPACE}}}} page|article}}}}

Template cannot be translated I think. But page can.

And here:

[[Category:{{     
      #switch: {{SUBJECTSPACE}}
      | Template  = Şablon
      | Module  = Modül
      | User      = Kullanıcı
      | #default  = PZviki
    }} documentation]]

Do not translate words under [[]] sign before |. e.g. [[link|text]] you only need to translate text and leave link as it is, or occasionally add /fr after it.

[robust latch]

OK so i revert everything back to english in this box

then i add {{ #if: {{SUBJECTSPACE}} |{{lc:{{SUBJECTSPACE}}}} page|article}}}}
?

[swift warren]

It is initially copied from wikipedia, may need to be simplified as we don't need so many functions.

[swift warren]

It is in your source code. I just point out the location. Don't need to add it twice.

[robust latch]

ok

Thank you

Yeah its "template" in your page too

kinda annoying 😄

[swift warren]

May improve it later.

[robust latch]

I nuked the documentation subpage tr for a second

[swift warren]

Many templates are considering to be improved: notice, infobox, documentation, header. All of them have built a demo on sandboxes, but they need to be discussed with Vaileasy and decide which is better. So all I can do is wait until he has time.

So currently I recommend you translate some independent pages such as Vehicles, Zombies, etc. They are less relevant to the templates I mentioned above. So after the merge those pages may need less change and maximize your effort.

[robust latch]

I see. Well i was trying to translate every Notice template into turkish as they will be used here and there eventually, and i already have done some of them in the past.

Basically i am trying the form the skeleton of TR so that all i (or other people hopefully :D) have to do would be to add /tr to the templates.

[robust latch]

One more question, is there an easy way to add /tr to the end of every {{Documentation}} in Tr pages? Like bots (i dont know how they work)?

Its not of importance for now, i know but, in future it can come in handy but i have 0 knowledge 😄

[swift warren]

It should be auto-translated in the future. So just keep it.

I changed it into /zh-hans before. But I reverted them finally.

[robust latch]

Keeping it then.

[restive adder]

@swift warren Subpages now enabled for the Category namespace

[swift warren]

OK. But custom css is still unable to create for me.

[restive adder]

Give that a try now? Tweaked caching to be less aggressive re logged in users & css. Not ideal, it'll harm cache performance, but not the worst since majority don't login

[restive adder]

Yup, was working on that for you next 🙂

You might need to clear browsercache to get it to detect the change

[swift warren]

Works. Thank you.

[restive adder]

Here's the bot someone has run before: #pzwiki_editing message

https://github.com/quarantin/pzwiki

Here's Jab's update fork, though I don't think he's around to run it anymore? We might need someone to look at running it for B42 when it comes out; https://github.com/asledgehammer/pzwiki

[swift warren]

Seems that my css doesn't work.🤔 I tried ctrl+F5 but nothing changed.

I even cannot figure out whether it is enabled.

I checked the network panel but it only shows the page loaded 3 css files: skin css, pzwiki css and fabric-icon css.

[restive adder]

Might need to actively clear browsercache? it's pretty aggressively cached unless you're logged in. Might just not be supportable tho :/

[swift warren]

Faal succeeded though. I should work, too. 🤔

[loud anvil]

is there a role for pz wiki editor? just wondering, swear there is or was

[swift warren]

Though I can create css, there is no custom css link for each skin on the preference. Is that normal? I wonder maybe you just enable uses to create custom css but not allow users to load them. 🤔

Emmm...

[restive adder]

Only the one config value as far as I can see, and it shouldn't relate to current skin choice?

[swift warren]

As the wiki said, when this option is enabled, I should be able to see the css link after each skin. 🤔

[robust latch]

I was wondering if there is a cheat sheet of many english words that can be used in translation template.

[swift warren]

If you mean the ingame words or phrases, you can refer to: https://github.com/TheIndieStone/ProjectZomboidTranslations/tree/master/FR

[robust latch]

https://github.com/TheIndieStone/ProjectZomboidTranslations/blob/master/TR/ItemName_TR.txt this page has 2109 items, i am assuming this encompasses ALL obtainable, lootable items

Ye actually this can work

The only hussle would be to group them

[swift warren]

That's why we need more translators. 😉

[jaunty torrent]

what do you mean? you want to edit the wiki? you can start at
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/PZwiki:Project_Locations_and_Maps
@loud anvil

[loud anvil]

i do lol- i just thought there was a role here on the discord for editors

im slightsmile i saw u on my profile thanks for the barnstarts btw

[languid kayak]

might take two weeks or so during christmas break; could try to take a look to speed it up, but I prefer Vai to take a look too, as most of the old templates are his works 😄 We waited a few years so I guess few weeks won't hurt 😉

[languid kayak]

Sadly no, though I guess that's something that could be thinked through? That lies beyond my jurisdiction though I guess won't hurt to ask 😛

[languid kayak]

It could be scripted, I just did it with simple replace/regexes, maybe it'll help you, maybe not, but here's the Polish one (feel free to make a copy) https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1MOK7JkmuGOrs4G7tER03kvkO5E5ixeZl3bdzaNiMyNU/edit#gid=0

[languid kayak]

Any particular reason this page is called "Dixie Hwy" and not "Dixie Highway"? I searched through game files, and there's no mention of either, it's just "Dixie", and I think it should use a full name, not shortcut? C.f. https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Category:Dixie_Highway https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dixie_Highway – if noone disagrees, I'll just rename the page and links promptly I guess

[jaunty torrent]

Agreed. I thought it was something in the game files also. I can change it now.

[languid kayak]

Well, I'll just move it to Dixie Highway then

[jaunty torrent]

done, too slow. 🙂

[jaunty torrent]

It sure would be nice if we had some kind of map of where the hell this highway is in the game, I am not sure myself. All I know is it goes past the dixie trailer park and through muldraugh

[languid kayak]

Just realized we had this conversation here https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Talk:Burgers 😄

[jaunty torrent]

your better split personality. 😀 🤷

[jaunty torrent]

where does the dixie highway go after the Louisville border camp? does it turn right?

[languid kayak]

@swift warren https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=User%3AVibrance%2Fnotice&type=revision&diff=179285&oldid=179235 in line 92 I guess it was you pasting older version over :P? Guess it should be moving to albeit a minor indeed

[languid kayak]

Isn't it the one up to the bridge?

Though indeed might not be obvious

a wild guess?