mod_development

[sour island]

just letting you know it's not as simple as changing a script file

[plucky pollen]

yeah im getting its not simple haha.. i just dont know how to do anything advanced lol..

it would just be the same text in the book nothing changing etc but.. thank you @sour island though i appreciate it

[naive spruce]

who needs peer approval when you can have all them fancy profile picks and effects

[weary matrix]

https://github.com/quarantin/pz-server-tools

[naive spruce]

will definitely look into it, thanks for the link

only being able to watch for mod updates and trigger reboots on new releases is already a huge quality-of-life improvement

[rigid dock]

I would love a mod that gives realistic fog.. let fog also significantly reduce hearing, and let the fog actually affect both zombies hearing and vision. As much as the players. It's kind of silly They seem barely restrained by it at all

It would open up some awesome stealth play!

It is by far one of my favorite aspects of the game and a disappointing to see zombie is just charge me for miles away when they are invisible to me for no reason

[willow estuary]

I have a mod where fog does affect the zombie hearing and vision.... ....in making it better 😄

LUA is the language used for almost all PZ modding.

[rigid dock]

Which lol, and why

[naive spruce]

yep, afaik base of the game is codded is java and an event api is exposed so you can use it with lua scripts

[willow estuary]

"Night Zeds", and just straight up Horror logic? 🤪
Sunny mid-days are the safest time to loot with NZ running.

[naive spruce]

sounds like a cool mod, I wonder if affecting hearing radius makes sense in the context of realism, though

not sure, does fog really affect hearing that much?

(irl I mean)

[rigid dock]

Oh yes I have that one subscribed to for a challenge. I didn't know it enhanced their senses lol. I would love to have them as sprinters, but on an even playing field senses wise.

[rigid dock]

Yes a lot. It's pretty cool really, the way it dampens noise. It's like heavy snow

[naive spruce]

TIL

[rigid dock]

What

[naive spruce]

we don't have too much fog where I live so that's something new I learned today

thus, TIL 😉

[rigid dock]

Minecraft has a cool snow sound scape surprisingly, all you can hear is the crunch of your boots in the snow

While it's snowing that is

[lime marlin]

Anybody know how to fix JD-GUI not opening files on windows 10?

It just does nothing

[rigid dock]

Speaking of, snow should dampen noise too..

[naive spruce]

for sure, it's amazing how small details like that can improve immersion

[rigid dock]

If you're familiar with altering the weathers impact on the senses, could you make one that equally hurts both player and zed sight and hearing in snow and fog?

@willow estuary I actually really wanted a mod similar to yours, but when the mists come, horrifying monsters spawn with cool loot. Kinda like the movie The Mist. But I don't see many people messing with models:(

[willow estuary]

Yeah, Night Zeds is what I call a "quickie" mod? It's actually really simple, it just regularly updates the sandbox settings for zombie senses & memory according to a set of parameters, with night being the worst and sunny mid day being the best?

But the idea is straight up hardcore/masochism/survival horror logic, not any sort of "realistic"-ish weather simulation? NZ is easy in that I can directly modify the zombie senses/memory, having the fog affect player senses would be more complicated?
||
if night == 1 or fog > 0.5 then
getSandboxOptions():set("ZombieLore.Memory",1)
getSandboxOptions():set("ZombieLore.Sight",1)
getSandboxOptions():set("ZombieLore.Hearing",1)
elseif night > 0 or fog > 0 or light < 0.5 then
getSandboxOptions():set("ZombieLore.Memory",1)
getSandboxOptions():set("ZombieLore.Sight",1)
getSandboxOptions():set("ZombieLore.Hearing",2)
elseif (hour < 12 and hour > 15) or light < 0.6 or sun < 0.85 then
getSandboxOptions():set("ZombieLore.Memory",2)
getSandboxOptions():set("ZombieLore.Sight",2)
getSandboxOptions():set("ZombieLore.Hearing",2)
else
getSandboxOptions():set("ZombieLore.Memory",3)
getSandboxOptions():set("ZombieLore.Sight",3)
getSandboxOptions():set("ZombieLore.Hearing",3)
end||

[willow estuary]

That's a cool idea! Monsters will be easier to do when NPCs/animals are moddable.
I might borrow a piece of your idea for my server stuff, and have some extra nasty special zombies spawn during foggy conditions? 😉

[rigid dock]

Ooh I see. Ya senses was a mod to make it more realistic, and open up stealth plays.

[willow estuary]

That's definitely cool! My thing is more making zombies insane asshole menaces for the most part 😄

But I did include the loophole where mid-day on sunny days is "safer"

[rigid dock]

Go for it! Let me know when you make it and I'll use it for sure. I was picturing make necromorph style zombies spawn with the mist and snow, and despawn when it's gone.

[young orchid]

"True Actions. Act 2 - Lying" not working atm or am I doing something wrong

or maye just the wrong beds etc

[willow estuary]

I have toxic fog running, so having nast nasties come out to play when it's foggy makes sense for sure?
Having them despawn when the fog is over is a great idea.

[willow estuary]

#mod_support is the channel intended for end-user mod issues where you can get help with stuff like that? This channel is for modder nerds like me to work out making mods? 🙂

[rigid dock]

I pictured like that..

https://images.app.goo.gl/Vd83bYE1bTCGrQ8D9

[young orchid]

btw you modding guys are doing great. we started adding mods yesterday and really love it ❤️

@willow estuary sure, thanks

[willow estuary]

👍

[willow estuary]

I mean, you've got rigging clothing worked out, right?
So that means you can pretty much do what you like, within limits, with "humanoid-ish" specials?

[rigid dock]

But yeah, my picture them semi rarely spawning in the players general vicinity, and they have good loot like maybe fanny packs or an ammo belt stuffed with ammo so it makes it worthwhile to try to kill them when possible

[willow estuary]

Make "practical monster effects" out of clothing, and there you go :_

[rigid dock]

But they would be quite strong and fast and charge you and slash at you

But yeah, seeing those sword-like arms angling out of the top of the mist would be pretty terrifying

[willow estuary]

Yeah, I can see some possibilities for having them inflict deep wounds when meleeing players?
There's definitely some cool things that can be done withyour idea.

[rigid dock]

And of course it needs a bone chilling screech when it charges you

A screech that also alert other nearby zombies?

But yeah I kind of pictured it as leaving deep wounds, maybe with bone shards/teeth you have to pick out with tweezers instead of glass or something

I mean you rarely have a reason to use those awesome tweezers and suture needle as is!

It would also probably be something you don't want to attempt to fight with melee weapons unless you have very high skill

[naive spruce]

like having they all flock towards the screech and now you have not only mr.super zombie but also a horde to worry about

imagine that with the horror mods that make zombie heads glitch sideways...

"Afraid of Monsters Zed animations" that's the one

[willow estuary]

This part would be significantly easier to pull off if you retconned it to leave broken glass in the wounds?
Just in that inflicting a wound type that exists already in the game is "easy" vs adding a new wound type would be more complicated.

Or what I would do is start with broken glass working, and then get into trying to implement a new wound type?

[rigid dock]

Oh, I thought you might just copy broken glass and rename it haha

[willow estuary]

It's fussier than that 😄

I just started dabbling in medical stuff. Just wanted to point out that one, in that generally what you're proposing is "simple" in that all the individual pieces are "easy", except the tooth/bone splinter wound type?

[rigid dock]

Oh, I mostly said that because it is thematically cool, gives extra use to suture needles, and I thought it would be easy haha. We could just leave that part out and make it laceration instead.

[rigid dock]

I was actually looking for that one, wanted to mention the mod that makes a super zombie that can't be killed. That always follows you, it looks like it actually has a new model for the zombie itself, big buff arms. I haven't really seen any other examples of new models. Unless that's that clothing thing

[willow estuary]

Yeah, the Nemesis special zombie in Soul Filcher's Turning TIme looks like a new model, but it's a "costume"

[rigid dock]

Which you never see on its body because you can't kill it?

[knotty sandal]

Oh hey, what if they made you cold?

A special zombie that inflicts temperature ailments would be kind of neat

[rigid dock]

What are you referring to?

[knotty sandal]

Like, standing within so many tiles of a special zombie causes you to freeze to death

[willow estuary]

I don't know? Haven't messed with it, but it's not difficult to make clothing you can't "see" in the inventory window, you just don't assign it a display name in the item script? Look at Advanced Zombies VI for how I have extra code so players can't remove the zombie costume items from the inventory as well 😉

[rigid dock]

Sounds like you are talking about a wraith

[knotty sandal]

I’ve had trouble with your advanced zombie mods but I didn’t want to ask any questions in public to avoid spoilers

Would you mind if I DM you about it?

[willow estuary]

Ah, I don't deal with my mod business on discord or elsewhere as a personal boundary to preserve my sanity and good nature?

[knotty sandal]

Fair enough!

[willow estuary]

Sorry, just too hectic nowadays to deal with it?? 🙂

[rigid dock]

I actually just sent you a personal message as well to avoid clogging this chat haha.

[knotty sandal]

Yeah I like your no information, no bullshit approach

[wild juniper]

Does anyone happen to know why sounds would distort (audio swapping between ears) when custom sounds are playing? they're mono tracks, so I don't understand what could be causing it. Maybe a format issue? (using .ogg)

[naive spruce]

out of curiosity, what would be a "costume" as opposed to actual 3d models ?

[willow estuary]

Think of practical effects from movie making?
Visible injuries on zombies are actually "clothing items", they're a prosthetic, without display names, that are applied to zombies.
So you make a full body devil costume, as an example, you put that one a zombie, and you have a devil zombie.

[knotty sandal]

From what I've seen, it's possible to override the base mesh of the character with clothing models

[willow estuary]

Body models, and clothing models, are both models. The Hazard Suit clothing models completely replaces the character model, so it could be considered a "costume" or "model replacement".

[knotty sandal]

Your skeleton zombies use a clothing item, right?

[willow estuary]

So if you really wanted to make obese zombies, make a full body obese zombie model, make it into a clothing item, give it no display name, and maybe an inventory transfer override in lua, and there you go.

Nah, my skellies, they're actually "skeleton" zombies, that have the skeleton flag enabled, and not costumes?

[knotty sandal]

Oh wow, didn't realize that part of the base game

[willow estuary]

Body Appearance data, for players, zombies and corpses, has a skeleton flag?
That's how skeleton corpses are generated; they're a corpse with the skeleton flag.

Dunno if you can actually set the flag to skeleton for an actual player, there's a mod item that does player skeleton full body costumes however.

[naive spruce]

that sounds pretty cool, kinda like mixin models that other models can inherit

had no idea we could do something like that, thanks for the tip

[willow estuary]

Skeleton Zombies have some problems in that some clothing items and hairstyles don;t map to their geometry in any acceptable way 😄

[knotty sandal]

It also seems possible to add to or override animations, at least for players

You could probably make an animation such that the bones are in wild positions to look like a quadruped

[willow estuary]

Yeah, custom animation stuff has been beyond me since I'm fundamentally dumb and lazy and just play with lego pieces until they work? 🤪

[knotty sandal]

Whatever you do seems to work, your mods are hands down my favorite on the workshop

[willow estuary]

Haha, hey, thanks a bunch 🙂

[quartz forum]

Heya, wondering if it's possible to make a custom discord integration mod? in game to discord probably can read the log files .txt, but not sure if there's an API to send message in game

[knotty sandal]

I play on a server that outputs in-game /all chat to a channel on their discord server

I could try and find out how they did that

[quartz forum]

I think the current discord integration does that, but it doesn't show the "x died" message

[willow estuary]

It is possible, in that what I did previously is had a custom bot on my server host that would read log data in real time and use that to interface with my server's discord? This was 2 years ago, and I didn't write/handle the bot itself, but it is definitely possible? 🙂

[quartz forum]

I also kinda want to link in game name is x and their discord name is y

[willow estuary]

Death notifications are precisely what we made it for too!

[quartz forum]

nice

[knotty sandal]

That's a lot trickier

You'll need to verify the discord user somehow

[quartz forum]

thinking I can do it manually through sandbox vars

[quartz forum]

did the bot output message through in game chat as well?

I've only looked into javadocs and community API, didn't find something like this

unless I missed it

[willow estuary]

I think it could output the "server wide big text", but we never did anything with the proper chat streams themselves?
I think we wanted to do a radio channel integration, 2-way, with a discord channel and couldn't get anywhere?

DIscord integration, and chat channels, have got/are getting, do-overs I believe, so more might or may become more possible with that stuff?

[quartz forum]

alright, thanks!

I guess for now I'll have another bot exclusively emit "died" message and let the 2 way chat handled by the built in discord integration

[willow estuary]

I remember there were multiple weird little quirks we had to deal with? 😄

Sorry, I wish I could be more help, but like I said it was a while ago and not something I set up? I still need to reconnect with homeboy and get it working again.

[quartz forum]

knowing that it's possible is enough help, so thank you

[willow estuary]

🤙

[tacit jasper]

anyone knows what vehicle's java class name is? thx

[distant stirrup]

I'm wondering... Can you add maps to existing map if it is on a rented server?

[wheat hare]

generally speaking, for mods that add new items will any be generated in already existing maps?

[distant stirrup]

Yes

[wheat hare]

yay \o/
is loot generated on a opening a container for the first time? (I assume I won't find anything in locations I've already cleared)

[knotty sandal]

I believe so, not only to save on memory and disk space but also to enable traits like Lucky and Unlucky to work as intended

[willow estuary]

It's vicinity based, not on opening containers.
Not sure about loot respawn however.
Lucky/unlucky apparently don't work in MP currently 😄

[naive spruce]

yeah, that makes sense. if we think about it, how would things work for traits like lucky if all items spawned at once when the world is generated? imagine globally altering item spawns based on a single character having that trait in a MP server 😅

also, does it really not work in MP? gosh...

just realized I wasted some points in previous char builds

[willow estuary]

Just to be clear, items ordinarily spawn in the vicinity of players as the explore the world and the world chunks are initially generated.
So it's neither when a container is opened/peeped, or at world generation (aside from the world close to the player when they first spawn).

[naive spruce]

yeah, I got it

just food for thought

[willow estuary]

I think the radius of the area may be 75 tile.

[naive spruce]

which makes me think if lucky trait for multiple characters within the same 75 tile radius would stack in MP once support for it is added

[tulip narwhal]

some progress on my potentially pointless site app

php reads data from the server and uploads it to database where its read by a reactjs app

still trying to do rcon for an online players list, and then i want to read playerdata to see how long each has surived

i figure a leaderboard for 'longest survivor' might be fun

[naive spruce]

this isn't pointless at all

a lot of potential for fun/useful stuff

[stray siren]

It definitely can't be too large since my group has added content as we've progressed it's definitely small enough we managed to find new stuff on the other side of Riverside

[tulip narwhal]

thats good to hear

i STILL cant figure out how to read the time though

drivin me nuts

[balmy plover]

Speaking of potentially useless. I'm building a site for myself that creates a random build for a new run. Would anyone even want to see that? lol

I feel like the fun for most players is creating their own lol

[stray siren]

Why not

We live to suffer

[balmy plover]

lol

[tulip narwhal]

maybe it should have sliders based on how much you want to suffer

how many points itll use

[balmy plover]

Maybe I'll post it up when it's finished then. Right now it just chooses a random occupation based on real occupation stats from the bureau of labor and statistics. Just a slightly (not really) fancy weighted list based on real stats

[stray siren]

max absolute trait value

so you add the negative and positive values by magnitude

and the greater the magnitude you set the whackier the possible build

[tulip narwhal]

ha! thats actually pretty good

[stray siren]

you could have it do rejection sampling to random a proper build

[tulip narwhal]

i like that

[balmy plover]

For my runs I was thinking of only generating negative traits to a certain degree, and filling in my positives.

[tulip narwhal]

using a weighted list on real stats

[balmy plover]

Thanks. It was fun to research and put together.

[tulip narwhal]

you could if you wanted to get weird, use info from a census in kentucky. and assign random names

[balmy plover]

I was going to do that. But head cannon in me says, that people could travel

[tulip narwhal]

from the list

[balmy plover]

oh hahaha, random names that's also funny

not random, but I see what you mean

[stray siren]

Only use real genuine Ohioan names

for real whacky builds

[balmy plover]

lol

I was born in Ohio (escaped) so I could be one of them.

Either way, the reason I didn't go with just Kentucky is that the stats are shoddier and also there's a bias. So I went with the entire US and decided that they must have been visiting family 😛

[willow estuary]

Apparently the random name generation in Vanilla PZ is based on real census data? Although I don't think it's weighed.

[balmy plover]

I didn't know that. That's awesome

[tulip narwhal]

i kind of like the bias - if we are going with the theory that youd be taking the spot of a real kentuckian during the apocalypse

is it? thats great

[willow estuary]

Yeah, there's no weighing of individual names, they all have the same odds of being applied.

[balmy plover]

At least lumber jack is balanced now with this. There are a shockingly (maybe not) low number of lumberjacks in the statistics. But getting burglars and fishing license data was fun.

Right now it's just a site. But ultimately, I'd like to build an in game GUI that does all of this. But I'm very very new to modding the game.

Translating my javascript to LUA will be interesting lol

[naive spruce]

well, you could just shift-tab and open the site using steam overlay for now...

[stray siren]

Fire Officer is just unbeatably based

Making a mod that's just a pack of professions with unique traits

seeing how the TraitAPI from the CommunityAPI makes that way easier

would be fun

[balmy plover]

yeah, for sure. I mean I could use rasProfessions (or my own I suppose but he did a great job it seems of modifying the original profession framework) and expanding it would take time, but ultimately the framework is there

I'm also coming up with a "lore" scripts as well. Adding an array of possibly "reasons" for your traits and tying them together to create a back story for your random character

[stray siren]

I'm using the MoodleAPI from CommunityAPI wrong somehow

but I'll figure that out tomorrow

[balmy plover]

I keep wanting to put down this damn "mod" and just play. But it's hard to lol

[stray siren]

there's very few mods with custom moodles so it'll be fun to get one working

and then everyone can template the one I make for easy moodles

I'm trying to jack the 0-10 unhappiness range as "happy"

this will also be my first time using lua so that's why I keep fucking up its syntax

[lapis stump]

why is my sound stopping after like 20 tiles but I have distanceMax in clip set to 10k ?

I play the sound with player:getCurrentSquare():playSound(sound) btw

[rigid dock]

I was told it was who opened the container first. Has their luck applied

[sour island]

it is

    if not button.inventory:isExplored() then
        if not isClient() then
            ItemPicker.fillContainer(button.inventory, playerObj);
        else
            button.inventory:requestServerItemsForContainer();
        end
        button.inventory:setExplored(true);
    end
```- ISInventoryPage.lua

Would be insanely costly to generate loot as the cell is loaded

[naive spruce]

hm, yeah. even more so for MP with a high player count

[willow estuary]

From my custom code for testing spawning

LOG  : General     , 1641963611090> Lighter - 1 - livingroom - sidetable
LOG  : General     , 1641963611092> Player at 10838.8125/9463.5322265625 - Item spawned at 10753/9529 - Distance 151.2802734375
LOG  : General     , 1641963611094> Matches - 1 - livingroom - sidetable
LOG  : General     , 1641963611096> Player at 10838.8125/9463.5322265625 - Item spawned at 10753/9529 - Distance 151.2802734375

[naive spruce]

ok, now I'm confused

[willow estuary]

Used to test how common lighters/sledges/gas cans etc spawn for MP.

The onFillContainer event fires it off; this all went off when I was on that road there.

LOG  : General     , 1641963726214> Sledgehammer - 1 - warehouse - crate
LOG  : General     , 1641963726216> Player at 10590.689453125/9416.38671875 - Item spawned at 10618/9321 - Distance 122.697265625
LOG  : General     , 1641963726217> WoodAxe - 1 - warehouse - crate
LOG  : General     , 1641963726218> Player at 10590.689453125/9416.38671875 - Item spawned at 10618/9321 - Distance 122.697265625
LOG  : General     , 1641963726923> WoodAxe - 2 - warehouse - crate
LOG  : General     , 1641963726924> Player at 10590.689453125/9401.8759765625 - Item spawned at 10620/9315 - Distance 116.1865234375
LOG  : General     , 1641963726938> WoodAxe - 3 - warehouse - crate
LOG  : General     , 1641963726939> Player at 10590.689453125/9401.8759765625 - Item spawned at 10624/9315 - Distance 120.1865234375
LOG  : General     , 1641963727645> Sledgehammer2 - 2 - warehouse - crate
LOG  : General     , 1641963727646> Player at 10590.689453125/9389.6142578125 - Item spawned at 10624/9305 - Distance 117.9248046875

Not sure how distance is calculated; just using local distance = sourceGrid:DistTo(player)

It's repurposed code from Filibuster's WIP gun mod; it used onFillContainer to modify our guns as they spawn?
But I used it as a tool for evaluating how many sledges/axes/gas cans/lighters spawn?
It's useful to testing how many of a mod item spawn as well, if you modify the code 🙂

Now, how does this work with loot respawn? That I have no idea.

[tacit ermine]

the game periodically scans all chunks that have ever been loaded, all their objects, and checks if they're containers that have been looted

then it just does fillContainer again if it needs to

[willow estuary]

I am shocked lookign at this output in that the distances are further than I assumed 😄

[tacit ermine]

it's when the IsoGridSquare is loaded (32x32 tiles? maybe bigger?) or the container has been opened for the first time, and it wasn't populated by loot distribution

having a hard time imagining what containers wouldn't be filled when the grid is loaded

maybe containers inside containers

[willow estuary]

Well, even containers inside containers fill on OnFillContainer when I had recursive code for the gun mod?

I imagine that container check might be a safeguard, or archaic?

[tacit ermine]

yeah maybe it's legacy

[willow estuary]

I'm actually surprised that containers are populated before a building is entered, as there's flags to track them and individual rooms having been entered or not?

[tacit ermine]

that's only considered for respawns

population happens in LoadGridsquarePerformanceWorkaround

[willow estuary]

Ah! There are also corner case circumstances where a container can come to exist after a chunk/square is loaded?
That happens with some of my custom loot cache mod stuff; it creates a container in the vicinity of the player in a loaded square, and it still gets populated with distro table loot for it?

Somewhere in here or after this the container is populated:

local newBarrel = (IsoObject.new(getCell(), square, "greensupplybarrels_1"))
local container = ItemContainer.new("SupplyBarrel", square, newBarrel, 1, 1)
newBarrel:setContainer(container)            
square:getObjects():add(newBarrel)
square:RecalcProperties();

Or probably at the check when the player peeps the contents.

[grizzled grove]

that's interesting. so when does the lucky trait factor in, especially in multiplayer? (not saying i'm a loot goblin, but...)

[willow estuary]

Not sure? I disabled lucky/unlucky for my server anyways, so I'm consequently incurious? 😄

[tacit ermine]

looks like it doesn't

unless you get the case where a container has been added to the world after the grid was initially loaded for the first time

[verbal ivy]

Why is the command createZombie() only spawn a zombie on the local player? somehow in MP other players can't see the zombie that spawned in, what a weird mechanic

[tough stone]

@dreamy chasm https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1934820584

I just ran across this. Is this the mod you were trying to find earlier?

[bleak grotto]

Hi

I opened a server for Project zomboid. It's been open for 20 days and a lot of players are playing. No mods are installed. vanilla. I found a mod with multiple different features in it. One of these features is the reset area system. Resets other locations outside of spawn zones and safehouses. But I guess they do this by restarting the server and deleting the map_x_y_.bin file. I wasn't sure.

Is there anyone who can help me with this?

[white cradle]

How would you go about making animations for PZ?

[rich wagon]

Has anyone played around the IsoThumpable file ? I suppose this dictated if zombies can thump and destroy objects in the world

[drifting ore]

Hi, would someone be tempted to help me fix bugs in my mod for MP ?

Je sais @weary matrix tu t'es déjà proposé mais c'était il y a plus d'une semaine donc je redemande mais si tu es toujours dispo, ca sera avec plaisir

[drifting ore]

Check the spawnerAPI in the pinned post

[weary matrix]

@drifting ore of course, but right now I have to go to an appointment, should be back home in about 3 hours or so

[weary matrix]

It's the class responsible for all objects that can be destroyed basically, including the ones you can build, but not only.

[rich wagon]

what do you all use to open .class files ? I can't seem to open them

[weary matrix]

@foggy anchor you should ask in #mod_support, your question is off-topic here

[foggy anchor]

Dangit. sorry co

[rich wagon]

so if i wanted to make a mod that can turn player-built stuff and furniture into unbreakable by zombies, i would have to work with this file ?

[weary matrix]

@foggy anchor sorry if I sounded rude, we're just getting way too many of those questions in here 😅

[foggy anchor]

No, no, you're just fine.

[weary matrix]

good 🙂

[weary matrix]

I made this tool to decompile pz: https://github.com/quarantin/beautiful-java

[foggy anchor]

Flaming would have been completely acceptable in that scenario.

[rich wagon]

thank you 3000

[drifting ore]

Great thanks, we do this whenever you want. Tonight even if you want. I have absolutely nothing to do, I am in quarantine until the end of the week

[weary matrix]

not sure right now what would be the best way, but I have to run, I should be back in about 3 hours or so in case you haven't found a good answer yet

[weary matrix]

oh damn you got covid? :/

[rich wagon]

thanks a lot

[drifting ore]

No, just traveled for studies

That's why I'm doing this mod, it keeps me busy ^^

[weary matrix]

ah good 🙂

[barren kindle]

This is probably a stupid question, but is the modding exclusively done through lua? Or can you write stuff in Java?

[hardy garnet]

from what i've seen the game relies on LUA

[drifting ore]

You can but it's much more complicated and less documented

I use onPlayerUpdate(), do we know the in-game time between each update? Is it stable as a parameter?

[pine vigil]

As the others say, you can (Seen a couple of successful mods do it) but it's a bit unstable because it requires replacing base game files which isn't particularly jazzy.

[rich wagon]

on multiplayer server, there is an admin option to enable "pvp-free zones". Is there an easy way (lol) to implement the opposite ? specific zones with pvp enabled ?

[rich wagon]

i guess it can be done my making a file similar to ISAddNonPvpZoneUI.lua but i'm not sure where to go from here

[pine vigil]

That's just the UI code no? I don't know if you'll get much from that.

It's been a while and maybe I'm crazy, but I thought I remember there being a server option flag to invert the zones.

[rich wagon]

there is a similar file called IsPvpZonePanel.lua but i can't find anything in there neither

[rich wagon]

oh let me look at that

[pine vigil]

It's been a while, it's statistically probable that I'm wrong.

[rich wagon]

unfortunately it's not there, maybe it was though

[pine vigil]

No, I'm probably thinking of the safety system or something.

[weary matrix]

I'm not 100% sure but i think it depends on the FPS/framerate, so it shouldn't be used as a measure of time. Rather use the time related events like EveryOneMinute etc

[rich wagon]

i guess i could try and create non-pvp zones where i don't want pvp zones but the game makes it super laggy

[tacit ermine]

best case for OnPlayerUpdate is 60 fps, worst case is 3 fps

it adjusts based on load

players always get scheduled at 60 fps actually, only other objects get staggered

[tacit ermine]

not ideal, but you could define your own regions in Lua and call player:setSafety(false) when someones new coordinates land in one of them

oh hm, but someone with safety off can still attack someone with it on I think...

might not be something you can do without core changes

[rich wagon]

so how would the non-pvp zone work in this case ?

[tacit ermine]

in what case?

[rich wagon]

what i mean is that the game allows certain region to have "no-pvp"

why would the opposite need core changes ?

[tacit ermine]

because it's not something the game supports

code was written to make non-pvp zones work, there's no code to make the inverse work

[rich wagon]

i understand

[tacit ermine]

the check is done inside SwipeStatePlayer#checkPVP(...), if you wanted to change how non-pvp zones work you'd have to change that

[rich wagon]

where did you find this line ?

sorry for all the questions i'm very new to this

[tacit ermine]

it's part of the Java code

[rich wagon]

alright thanks again

[analog umbra]

going through the pins and couldnt quite find what i was looking for. Does anyone have a link to a tutorial from start to finish in creating a mod? Would like to see the process from the beginning to uploading.

I'm in school for software development so coding is coming to me slowly but surely lol

[rich wagon]

sorry to dig this, do you know where regions (like I assume safehouses and non-pvp zones) are stored ?

[tacit ermine]

they're stored in the binary map_meta.bin file

[hardy garnet]

modding PZ is time consuming

scattered across so much stuff

[rich wagon]

Thank you!

[verbal ivy]

Air-Crews rise up

[rich wagon]

what should i use to look at a bin file ? I'm using hexeditor but the file is just random stuff like this :

[stiff urchin]

<@&671452400221159444> Spam and malicious link above this

Bless the mods

[weary matrix]

depends the file format of the binary file 😅

[rich wagon]

"funny" thing is that if i take a similar bin file i get actual readable results

this is the map_meta.bin and if I take map_sand.bin i can read it

[smoky jewel]

does anyone know the name of the mod that allows me to dismantle crashed cars (not wrecked car) on the street?

[rich wagon]

sorry once again i'm a beginner here

[winter ermine]

lol

[weary matrix]

it all the depends on the format in use, some binary format, like ELF etc embed raw strings, others don't

[weary matrix]

you'll have to check the java source to see what data is written in there

[rich wagon]

i'll do my best

[weary matrix]

@drifting ore I'm available if you need

[tacit ermine]

it's not random, it's just not printable text

it is data

[hardy garnet]

how

[tacit ermine]

if you want to decode it look at IsoMetaGrid.savePart(...)

[weary matrix]

could you be more specific? 😅

[hardy garnet]

nvm

[weary matrix]

@rich wagon have you found an answer about IsoThumpable?

[stiff urchin]

Is that salvaging cars?

[rich wagon]

not really, i mean i'm sure there is something to do here but i don't have the skill to understand let alone use the code to get where i want to go

[verbal ivy]

Interesting, can you help me figure out what the "outfitID" should be? it's string so not a number ID, can I find a list somewhere?

[calm depot]

So, I've made a mod of sorts for save games, though it's just a technical preview right now. If anyone (technical) has feedback, let me know.

https://github.com/Olipro/ZomboidDB

[weary matrix]

@calm depot that's nice! Would it scale for big pz servers?

[calm depot]

yeah

if you're hosting on Linux, my plan is to do the hooking with just a lib and you can LD_PRELOAD it

[tulip narwhal]

Is there newer source than the 10yo repo?

[weary matrix]

@calm depot interesting, wondering how hard it would be to do it in plain java directly

[calm depot]

get IntelliJ IDEA, it can decompile the class files

[drifting ore]

It's not an number, by looking quickly I found that it is form "PrivateMilitia", "Bandit" or "Police" but no idea where they are define. Maybe look at media\lua\shared\Definitions\AttachedWeaponDefinitions.lua

[tulip narwhal]

Ty

[weary matrix]

@tulip narwhal I use this tool of mine:
https://github.com/quarantin/beautiful-java

[calm depot]

@weary matrix well, the Java bytecode could be patched, but that would be more troublesome IMO than doing the interception at the OS level like this does

[tulip narwhal]

Thanks

[verbal ivy]

Thanks, I will go looka round

[weary matrix]

@calm depot I load java code in the engine without actual patching 😉

[calm depot]

sure, you're loading new code, in this case you want to alter existing behaviour

also, they use SQLite for players.db so there must be a reason they're not using it for everything from Java land - my guess is performance issues

[weary matrix]

@calm depot no clue but that was the target of my initial question 😛

[tulip narwhal]

Players.db,vehicles.db, and then a db for whitelists

[weary matrix]

@calm depot have you considered using Redis?

instead of sqlite3

[calm depot]

O_o

I'll have some of whatever you're smoking

[tulip narwhal]

I dont know if you want any

Half his head is off

And hes lookin a little green

[weary matrix]

@calm depot sounds like an offensive answer

are you on crack? 😂

[calm depot]

it was a humourous answer 😛

[weary matrix]

@calm depot I'm pretty sure Redis could be used, like using the map coordinates as keys etc

[calm depot]

that would imply a total rewrite of PZ's Java code that loads the save games and deserialises the binary files that currently exist

[trim kraken]

What to do when i try to host and it says : workshop item different than the server

[weary matrix]

you update your mods

@calm depot doesn't have to be a full rewrite, just need to intercept the requests to DB, which if I understand correctly is what you're doing

[calm depot]

you can go to steamapps\workshop\content\108600 and then into whatever ID the game gave you to see what it is

@weary matrix no, not really. They're currently just on-disk binary files using their custom format, essentially opaque blobs - but if you think you know better, go peruse the code and point me at what you see

[trim kraken]

how to update mods ?

[calm depot]

Unsubscribe and immediately resubscribe

[trim kraken]

do I have to find every single one of them by hand

aight

[calm depot]

yep 😄

[trim kraken]

f m

[calm depot]

I know

[winter bolt]

cant you just delete the workshop download folder

[calm depot]

maybe, try it and let us know

I would, but the re-download would be annoying

some of us have 512Kb hotel wifi to contend with

[weary matrix]

oh sorry guess you're right, been mistaken cause someone else was talking about sqlite3

[calm depot]

if only it really were that easy eh?

[weary matrix]

I wish it was

But it should be! 😂

@calm depot hmm but your writing the data to sqlite3 db, if you can do that it could be send to Redis

[calm depot]

yes, it could be, but what makes that a remotely good idea?

[weary matrix]

Performance?

[calm depot]

it won't be faster

the SQL queries are already precompiled into bytecode

[weary matrix]

Sqlite is on disk, redis is memory based

Also sqlites suck with big databases

[calm depot]

that's a bit useless when your server goes down

[tacit ermine]

you presumably want your save games to be persistent

[calm depot]

also, sqlite uses mmap

so it's not actually true that it's "on-disk"

it's just on-disk insofar as it guarantees your shit doesn't get corrupted

[weary matrix]

@tacit ermine redis is a separate processs, and it can save data to disk

[calm depot]

also, the SQLite connection is 1DB per save game

it's not all getting chucked into one instance

each one can execute on its own thread

yes, the fact it's a separate process means you have a network connection or unix socket

this is entirely in-process

[weary matrix]

Whats the problem with unix socket?

[calm depot]

there's no problem with it, other than the fact you think it would be faster to go across the kernel boundary to something that's single threaded

[weary matrix]

@calm depot I do think so because it's the case 😂

you should check redis

[calm depot]

I know all about redis

[weary matrix]

how can you believe sqlite3 could achieve faster access then?

[calm depot]

I've even used it

[tacit ermine]

why do you believe it can't?

[calm depot]

tell you what, go implement it for Redis and we'll have a benchmark contest

my LTO C++ app vs whatever you come up with

I can run a separate SQL DB per game instance, per thread. You've got 1 redis instance using just one thread of however many cores you have

[tacit ermine]

once sqlite has mapped the file into memory and the relevant pages have been touched it's doing almost the exact same thing as redis, searching a sorted set for a key

[weary matrix]

@tacit ermine sqlite is quite slow

[tacit ermine]

no, it isn't

[calm depot]

no, it isn't

osnap

I find myself reminded of that "MongoDB is Webscale" meme

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2F-DItXtZs

Only Devops people will know the pain

[weary matrix]

hmm I kind of remembered sqlite3 sucked for multithreaded apps, but I guess that's wrong indeed

[calm depot]

it depends entirely on your scenario

if you're sharing a DB amongst threads, yeah, that can encounter contention

although it also depends heavily on whether you're more read or write

[dreamy chasm]

Yes, just found it again last night. lol But it looks like it won't support MP.

[weary matrix]

@calm depot @tacit ermine any clue what could be responsible for pzserver to freeze sometimes on exit?

different people told me about it but had no chance myself to reproduce the issue yet

[calm depot]

no, but if you're curious, run Process Monitor and see what it's calling

[tacit ermine]

would check with jstack

hasn't happened to me

consistently shuts down in <10s

[weary matrix]

nice, didn't know about jstack

@calm depot I'm only aware of people having this issue on linux servers

but yeah I would investigate the process if I could just reproduce the issue

[tacit ermine]

what does frozen mean, though?

the server isn't interactive during shutdown

[spark plank]

hey fellas, I'm having trouble understanding how to add a new slash-command to the game via lua;
I've added a folder to the mods/[name]/media/lua/server/[name]/[name].lua with this code, https://pastebin.com/yV5gXaWG -- still, when issuing the command it ... returns "unknown command" -- which is.. understandable as I've never introduced the command to the game - just the function

[weary matrix]

well from the logs I've seen, the freeze occur before quit, but after the saving process has finished. Then the server is not not responding to any commands, whether it is through the console directly, or through RCON

that's all I know for now

[tacit ermine]

I don't think you can, there's a hardcoded list of command classes

[spark plank]

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Modding:Lua_Events/OnClientCommand then what does this refer to? :O

[calm depot]

after you've told it to shutdown, I imagine the RCON listener is one of the first things to go

[tacit ermine]

the global object system, it syncs things like campfires between the client and server

[calm depot]

@spark plank so is the command argument not what you're looking for?

print it and see what you get

[tacit ermine]

there's commands, server commands, and client commands

server commands and client commands are part of a multiplayer state sync system

commands are the actual chat commands

[spark plank]

I see I did find it weird that all the client commands had to do with actions and I couldn't find the "say" command. I'll dig deeper :)

[spark plank]

I'll also try to do that, eventually :)

[tacit ermine]

you can't add a new chat command without changing java code, unfortunately

but you can look at how campfires work if you think client/server commands might work for you

[spark plank]

nah, I think I can hook on the "onKeyPress" :D

as long as I can have that player "/say" something, I'm good

[tacit ermine]

oh, right, I see what you're doing

chatManager:sendMessageToChat("my player name", ChatType.say, "my text")

maybe

[spark plank]

can't we access getPlayer().Say() ?

[tacit ermine]

I don't see that in my method list

oh, there it is

yeah, you can

or SayWhisper, SayShout, etc

[spark plank]

one doubt: is the correct notation dot (Object.method()) or with : like (Object:method()) ?

[calm depot]

depends

in lua, :stuff() is just syntactic sugar

[tacit ermine]

object:method() = object.method(object)

[calm depot]

^that

[spark plank]

Hah! Makes some sense. Thanks :)

[calm depot]

it creates an implicit first parameter called self

[spark plank]

(yep, same as .bind or .call(this)) on js

[calm depot]

so function tbl.a(self, stuff) end is the same as function tbl:a(stuff) end

[weary matrix]

there's also the case of java static methods, in which case you should use a dot

[spark plank]

awwyeah :)

thanks fellas :)

[brittle jewel]

Are you doing that with ':Say()'?

[spark plank]

yep, getPlayer():Say('string')

got the random with ZombRand instead of math.random()

[brittle jewel]

I'd imagine you're making this for MP? I couldn't get 'Say()' to show for others, when I tried it. I tried it lots of ways as well. If you have issues with that, you may want to replace it with 'processSayMessage()' - that one is global function, so no 'getPlayer()'.

[spark plank]

I see. Will have to double check and then apply this. Thanks in advance :)

[drifting ore]

i once was put in this situation clicked the eject button

[thick bobcat]

hey there. i tried to write some code. took much from other mods so i could get into learning lua or scripting in general. Now i have an OutofBoundsException with my script and i didnt manage to fix it. Also i am not really sure if i used arrays correctly at all. Would someone be willing to give it a look? maybe its a simple fix :9 thanks in advance

[lapis stump]

playerIndex = 0 lua arrays start at 1

[thick bobcat]

oh

thank you very much

i feel dumb now xD

[tacit ermine]

playerIndex isn't used as an index into an array, it's passed to getSpecificPlayer

which takes an index beginning at 0

[edgy star]

Is there a list of working mods for mp

[willow estuary]

It's confusing sometimes in that the lua code will use player and playerIndex interchangeably for the playerIndex value, while also using player and playerObj interchangeably for the actual player object.

[willow estuary]

#mod_support is probably the better place for that sort of inquiry, as this is a channel for mod making nerds to work out mod making stuff? 🙂
But nah, "the list" isn't anything that exists, and TBH, given all the confusion and misinformation, I wouldn't put any faith in one?

[rain pumice]

Can I install the pz libraries into visual code?

I've been learning lua for the past 2 weeks so I'm pretty new to all of this, I just really wanted to get into modding lol

[tacit ermine]

the Java code, you mean?

[rain pumice]

Not the java

[tacit ermine]

then no, there's nothing more helpful than what you get when you open Lua in vscode normally

[rain pumice]

Will doing reverse engineering the best thing to start modding myself then

Bc I see that the GitHub post doesn't really say much

[tacit ermine]

GitHub post?

[rain pumice]

There's a modding "guide" on github

[drifting ore]

How do I import the functions of a game file into one of my .lua files? require "ISHealthPanel" don't work. My file whant the function in media\lua\client\XpSystem\ISUI\ISHealthPanel.lua and is inmedia\lua\client\XpSystem\ISUI

[tacit ermine]

try require "XpSystem/ISUI/ISHealthPanel"

[drifting ore]

Already try

Or maybe I tried "XpSystem\ISUI\ISHealthPanel", I will check

[drowsy cobalt]

Is there a way to create just a server side mod? I'm looking to make something simple for my server that will announce when a player joins and leaves the server.

[rain pumice]

https://github.com/FWolfe/Zomboid-Modding-Guide

[drowsy cobalt]

I found that in the pins, wasn't sure if that was my starting point. ty

[rain pumice]

Sorry I didn't mean to reply to you with that

I'm on the subway and I was just trying to send that before, but I just caught a glimpse of internet my bad 😂

@Doggus#5520

[weary matrix]

If I'm not mistaken someone already made one. @thin hornet: You did right?

[thin hornet]

You would have to check for the Scoreboard update on client side and compare.

--- onTick
local ticks = 0;
local function onTick()
    ticks = ticks + 1;
    if ticks > 500 then
        ticks = 0;
        scoreboardUpdate();
    end
end
Events.OnTick.Add(onTick);

This would update the scoreboard every 500 ticks.

And you just check for changes in the list of player.

local onlinePlayersList = ArrayList.new();
--- OnScoreboardUpdate
local function onScoreboardUpdate(usernames, displayNames, steamIDs)
    local connected = ArrayList.new();
    for i = 0, usernames:size() - 1 do
        local username = usernames:get(i);
        if username then
            connected:add(username);
            if not onlinePlayersList:contains(username) then
                triggerEvent("OnPlayerConnecting", username); -- custom event for my stuffs
            end
        end
    end
    
    for i = 0, onlinePlayersList:size() - 1 do
        local username = onlinePlayersList:get(i);
        if not connected:contains(username) then
            triggerEvent("OnPlayerDisconnected", username); -- custom event for my stuffs
        end
    end
    onlinePlayersList = connected;
end
Events.OnScoreboardUpdate.Add(onScoreboardUpdate);

all client side

[drifting ore]

Nop require "XpSystem/ISUI/ISHealthPanel" don't work, I find this rly weird

[nova berry]

Any good example of a mod that can add or remove traits ingame?

for example, consume an item to add a permanent trait

[tacit ermine]

it's just player:getTraits():add("trait name") iirc

[willow estuary]

This is what I use, which is the same as the above with more steps. I dunno if SynchXp is necessary? 😄

local traits = player:getTraits()
traits:add("trait name here")
SyncXp(player)

[tacit ermine]

nah, that only works for admins/mods

[gleaming valve]

how do I set the condition on a crafted item?

[willow estuary]

Ah, probably from copy-pasting from the admin player modification interface then 😄

[tacit ermine]

it's used for the UI panel where you can edit another players stats

yeah exactly

[willow estuary]

I'm not joking when I say I just play with the lego pieces until something works!
Ah, it's on account of the player being modified being a different entity than the client player object?

[lapis stump]

is clothing:getCondition() always in range of 0-10 ?

[tacit ermine]

no, but 10 is the default max

you can set it with ConditionMax in the item script (and get it with a var of the same name)

[lapis stump]

so for most vanilla clothes the condition will be max value of 10?

i thought it would be 1.0 or 100 kinda confused

[tacit ermine]

doesn't seem like it

a quick search gives me some shows with a max of 24

[lapis stump]

oh boy t_t

[willow estuary]

I believe if an object doesn't have a defined conditionMax, it defaults to 10?

[tacit ermine]

yeah

why do you care about it being 10?

[drifting ore]

Can I recover the isoPlayer from one of its BodyPart?

[lapis stump]

im drawing overlays based on condition

i will just use getConditionMax() instead

[willow estuary]

Fun little side note, all objects have a condition value, even items that don't degrade the way weapons and clothing does.

[tacit ermine]

item:getCondition() / item:getConditionMax() normalizes it to [0, 1)

if that's what you need

[tacit ermine]

no, ParentChar is there, but it's private

[drifting ore]

Damn it

[tacit ermine]

do you only care about doing it for players?

if so just go over every player and their body parts until you find the same instance

[drifting ore]

No I'm stupid, the variable is stored in the table of the other arguments

[willow estuary]

There's no getParent() function for body parts?

[tacit ermine]

no

the Java code has access to it, but the field is private

there's no getter function exposing the field

[long sun]

hello is it advisable to put a lot of mod on a multiplayer server?

[drifting ore]

No getParent(), I also thought of that, funny that it is not available

[drifting ore]

Try #mod_support, it's more the channel for that

[long sun]

ok sorry

[drifting ore]

Going to use my monkey brain to change some loot tables

I need advice for making things reasonable

Here’s the problem I’m trying to fix

Problem: “alarms and motion detectors and ridiculously hard to acquire”

Inb4 just raid an electronics store bro!

I could use less gasoline to make thrice the amount of bombs as an engineer making the trigger mechanisms a moot concept

I was thinking about adding timer ⏲ to the loot table of digital watches

And burglar alarms to the loot table of doors with windows (front doors)

I need advice on what would be reasonable

I was thinking 1/20 chance to find either?

Maybe less for burglar alarms because doors are harder to farm?

Like a 1/12 for doors?

I don't make mods, but someone should make craftable needles a thing, because I can never find needles

Forgot to mention that it would be the loot table of disassembling said items

[drifting ore]

Already a thing, you can make em from dead rats with one mod (bone needles)

oh that's rad, thanks man

[nova berry]

thanks guys!

[weary matrix]

I'd ask TIS to make it accessible, I don't see any good reason to hide that field

[drifting ore]

Anyone any advice at all?

[weary matrix]

I don't know much about distribution, but your probabilities seem quite high

also 1/12 is more than 1/20, not less

[drifting ore]

I’m aware

I was thinking 1/12 because doors take much longer to take apart

And have added scarcity

Compared to watches

But yeah I worded it poorly

how can i make hand held models ?

i made ground objects

but i don't get how hand items are like

[neat kayak]

It might have been a while ago, but have you been able to make any new custom containers with bigger capacity? Or anyone, for that matter?

For a while I've been trying to add a new tile item through the Modding Tool on Steam, but TileZed doesn't let me increase the actual ContainerCapacity property more than "100"....
My goal would be to add a tile container with just a huge inventory for mass storage.

P.S.:

• when I editied the *.tile file through VS Code, even when I reversed my changes, TileZed would just suddenly close on me when I try to load my custom tile-set

[verbal ivy]

Anyone knows about the sendcommandtoserver function? There is werid report that when run this function in MP, a random client side player will ger the error of "don't have right to run the command". Why is this happening?

Why is sendcommandtoserver causes a random client player to try run the command? No clues why does this happen

[drifting ore]

What is TIS ? Btw I found what I wanted, isoPlayer was on the other arg

[weary matrix]

ah nice

[weary matrix]

The Indie Stone? 😅

[verbal ivy]

If a server side run the sendcommandtoserver(), does it randomly choose a client player to run the command?... werid.

[blissful heath]

Hey y'all, brand new to modding here and just dipping my toes in, I tried to create a model and texture for a new item, but I'm experiencing that the item goes invisible when dropped (it's still there and can be picked back up). No error logs I can see in console.txt. Any advice or does anyone know what causes this? I assume it's something wrong with my model, I'm very inexperienced in 3d work.

[drifting ore]

I knew it was obvious

[soft valley]

@blissful heath you may find this useful

https://dislaik.github.io/pz_modding/scripting_manual/clothing_mod/

and i believe it covers creating the clothing item into an actual item

to prevent it being invisible

[cedar vault]

Hey can some one help me out with good modlist for a server, i kinda havent ever moded a MP server and im having issues finding good mods that are compadible. DM me if your keen to help out

[blissful heath]

Mine is only a normal item, not clothing, so I have created a mesh/texture for it based off the ones in WorldItems - technically just a tweaked version of a pre-existing one.

I think I am pointing the models.txt file in the right direction to pick up both (I've tested using a different mesh with my texture and that works).

[soft valley]

Oh my bad

[blissful heath]

But using my mesh, it always shows up invisible.

[soft valley]

Yeah i must've read that wrong, just woke up and am on my first cup lol

[blissful heath]

lmao no worries

I have to assume I changed the mesh I was working with in some way which is invalid. Are there some unspoken rules that meshes must conform to? Or any way to see more detailed logs than are in console.txt?

[brittle jewel]

Have you created a unique guid for it and added fileGuidTable.xml? If not, look at that section in the linked tutorial above.

[winter bolt]

did you use an existing world model as a reference in blender?

[junior flame]

I don't think you need to do that for normal items? At least, I've never had to.

[brittle jewel]

Ah, you're correct. I misunderstood and thought they were doing clothing.

[blissful heath]

Yes, I imported DeadSquirrel (trying to make a DeadRaccoon, haha).

I can always go import the squirrel again and try making infinitesimal changes at a time until I identify what breaks it lmao.

[winter bolt]

hmm

[junior flame]

Is it showing the "i" icon when you place the item, or is it just invisible?

[blissful heath]

Just invisible.

I can pick it back up and everything else works.

[junior flame]

Is your model one, single object or is it composed of several objects? I ran into problems when I forgot to join my scene down into a single object.

Models with no textures are also invisible.

Double check pathing and file names. There's a lot of little places for hiccups to happen lol

[blissful heath]

oh

well

hm

That sure is a raccoon

[junior flame]

in the model definition, scale it down

but hell yeah

[blissful heath]

esfnnj

Wait help me, why is this happening now

I just took the squirrel, didn't resize it

Used the same 0.4 scale

Did Blender change the scale when it imported, hang on

wait was this actually appearing the whole time and I didn't see that the giant raccoon was there because it was outside of the house

[drifting ore]

been fiddling around trying to understand how hand held models work

[blissful heath]

holy shit

[drifting ore]

got no idea

[junior flame]

it can, yeah. in the object properties i use XYZ Euler set to 1.0, and then i export at a scale of 0.01

then tweak as needed when defining the model

it can do some really fun stuff

[blissful heath]

That looks like visual hell and I love it

[pine wharf]

how do i get mods to work on a gportal server

i added the names and the workshop id

but they wont load in

its just bedford falls and katana

[drifting ore]

try in #mod_support

[pine wharf]

got it thanks

[lapis stump]

does getPlayer() always get the local client even in mp?

[blissful heath]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/927350398505865306/930930254896320533/unknown.png

Alright we went through too large, too small and finally reached juuuust right. Thank you so much for your help and patience lmao.

[junior flame]

Nice work, happy to help 🙂

[drifting ore]

any leads on how to make hand held models

i made the ground ones already

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/232196827577974784/930892380813553784/screenshot_18-10-2021_11-38-40.png

[junior flame]

for those same items?

[drifting ore]

yes

been trying to look at the scissors trying to get an idea on how it works but no results so far

[junior flame]

Does it work if you set StaticModel equal to the same thing as your WorldStaticModel?

[drifting ore]

iam trying that rn

[drifting ore]

nope not working

[brittle jewel]

I think that is one of the lines that will specifically cause issues in MP. If it's a clientside script, getSpecificPlayer(0) will get the player. (1) would get the split screen 2nd player if they were playing coop. If you need to do something serverside, you'll need to pass the player's ID with player:getOnlineID() and then on the server you can do getPlayerByOnlineID(id)

[lapis stump]

does getOnlineID work in splitscreen/coop ?

[brittle jewel]

It's not necessary in splitscreen/coop. I don't think it works there. You'll need to do getSpecificPlayer in that case.

It's not very elegant, but for defecation, I just added a couple of extra functions to check for getSpecificPlayer(0) and (1) to handle a 2nd player.

[lapis stump]

the devs really made it complicated to make mods work on all game modes :/

[brittle jewel]

That's the nature of networking, unfortunately

[rain merlin]

Raccoon city 🦝

[iron junco]

Hello everyone! A newbie here. I am really interested in trying out modding and already have a few ideas. I have almost little to no experience, therefore I want to start out with a re texture. I would like to ask, if anyone has any tips for it. What program should I use? Or should I start out with something different?

[lapis stump]

read pinned messages

What am I doing wrong? The sound completely cuts out after moving away ~10 tiles.

 soum:PlayWorldSound(_sound, square, 1.0, 10000.0, 1.0, false);

    sound test.ogg
    {
        category = World
        loop = false,
        is3D = true
        clip
        {
            file = media/sound/test.ogg,
            distanceMax = 10000,
            volume = 1,
        }
    }

[iron junco]

Thank you. Didnt notice them 🙂

[weary matrix]

Any clue how to have some kind of ModData associated to the steam user instead of an IsoObject?

[drifting ore]

kinda did it

its flipped tho XD

[naive spruce]

Something I usually do in the rare occasions I decide to model something is to first import a native model of similar dimensions to what I want to create that already exists in the game (you can do that in blender by installing an extension if I remember correctly) and then I use it as a reference to match both scale and orientation. Most here probably already know that, but oh well...

[spiral plover]

@sour island you got any documentation on your sandbox easy config mod?

[dim pawn]

is there a mod where I can put a gun to my own head and execute myself? So my bitten player doesn't turn.

[spiral plover]

There was @dim pawn called like Suicide With Gun or something, dunno if it still works

[sour island]

Not really - it was mostly made for my personal preferences - also it's not MP ready unfortunately -- and it's been kicking my ass for a few days

[spiral plover]

Damn, I've been trying to add a simple sandbox check for Facility-7 to allow for the Insurgent mode in MP, any idea where I should look?

[sour island]

I mean modoptions is pretty good from what I hear - I just like to torture myself I guess

I'll let you know once I figure out how to pass information back and forth consistently and have it show up on the UI

[spiral plover]

Awesome, thank you

[brittle jewel]

@spiral plover I'm not sure what you're working on, but is there any reason you can't use the regular sandbox options? Those are pretty easily modded.

[spiral plover]

I need to add custom ones, in preferably a custom tab

[brittle jewel]

That should be super easy, look at this example mod: #mod_development message

[spiral plover]

Oh? I'll take a look then, thank you

[brittle jewel]

If you throw that in your mods and activate it, you'll see the new tab and it also shows how to add to an existing tab - 'ZombieLore' in this case.

[spiral plover]

Sweet, alright

[sour island]

Oh you wanted sandbox options - I should have read better

myb

[spiral plover]

Ahaha all good

[opaque tartan]

Ya know I was recently looking into modding of Zomboid and a big thought came to me.

Like if the modding gets more and more popular it can kind of be similar to SS13 in the capacity of what's available to do. Just a thought.

[naive spruce]

I was playing around with spawns and came across the following: Max #ZONES on one chunk is 19. Apparently each region table can have a max of 19 sets of spawn points (zones). I wonder if there's a way to get around that other than creating multiple separate spawn regions, each having 19 zones.

[spiral plover]

Anyone happen to know what "java.lang.RuntimeException: __le not defined for operand" means in regards to multiplayer?

My mod works just fine in singleplayer and splitscreen, but when trying to access some player data in MP it breaks

if SandboxVars.Facility7.ToggleInsurgentMissions == true then
        if player:getHoursSurvived() > 8 and modData.insurgentObjIndex <= 0 then
            local infobox = ISModalRichText:new(getCore():getScreenWidth()/4 - 100, getCore():getScreenHeight()/4 - 50, 200, 100, getText("Challenge_Facility7Ops_ReminderBox")..(FacilityDynamicRadio.channels[1].freq/1000), false, nil, nil, 0);
            infobox:initialise();
            infobox:addToUIManager();
        end
    end```

it breaks at the second if

Is there any specific way I gotta be checking these? what changes do I need to make for MP?

modData is attached to gametime in this case

[quasi geode]

__le less or equal '<=' this part of your line 2. likely modData.insurgentObjIndex is not returning a number (nil?)

[spiral plover]

So the most likely cause is that it just isn't getting initalized properly

This function is being called in a script inside the client section of the lua folders, this isn't an issue is it?

[sour island]

you should move it to shared

[spiral plover]

Ah, alright I'll do that

Does the folder really matter?

That would be important to know lol, I'd assume so

[sour island]

I'm still trying to figure that out honestly

I've been told different things

[spiral plover]

My issue is that this is set at 0 on new game ```function FacilityInsurgentObjs.OnNewGame()

--local gt = getGameTime();
local gt = GameTime:getInstance();
local modData = gt:getModData();

modData.insurgentObjIndex = insObjIndex;
modData.insurgentObjMaxIndex = 5;
print("Insurgent Objective Index is"..tostring(insObjIndex))
--modData.insurgentObjs = insObjs;

end```

[sour island]

1. that the "client" entity and "server" entities don't have access to eachothers files*

2. that the server's scripts overwrite the clients in load order

[spiral plover]

and I print it and it sets it to 0 correctly, but when I try and call it, it doesn't exist

then that must be the issue

[sour island]

so it's like server's server folder > client's server folder, etc

[spiral plover]

I'm calling it on the wrong client

makes sense

[sour island]

wish there was a bit more documentation with out having to deep dive into the java

[spiral plover]

Okay, so then If I want to access gametime on the server I have to put it in server or shared

[quasi geode]

client has access to stuff in server but most is ignored/useless, not sure about vice versa

[sour island]

yes that's true - from SP experiments

I think server doesn't have client stuff

[quasi geode]

cant remember if server parses client folder, but its been a while since i dug through all that

[sour island]

I've had to move stuff out of client for MP - so it would follow

[quasi geode]

even if it does, its mostly useless stuff for the server anyways

[spiral plover]

Now how about trait related things, as my main trait script is in client

should I move that over to shared?

[sour island]

traits and profession would probably have to be in shared or server

[quasi geode]

entirely dependent on whats in the script, if your defining traits or professions, shared

its best to just follow where the vanilla files are for similar things

ya looking at my old dedicated server files (b40, havent run a 41 dedicated yet) client folder is skipped

[torn root]

Hello, I have come seeking mods as this game looks kinda cool id like to know what kind of player model mods can be done for this game.

[spiral plover]

smh I moved it but it still doesn't work, this is gunna be a pain

[verbal ivy]

Anyone knows why SendCommandToServer() would return "player has no right to excute 'command' " error? it seems to only happen in dedicated server, in my p2p multiplayer it doesn't show up

[sour island]

you'd need to be an admin to use that

hosting locally would consider you to be an admin by default I imagine

If you're trying to run client-to-server stuff you'd be using sendClientCommand

[verbal ivy]

Werid, by hosting locally I print "isAdmin" and "getAccessLevel()", they both return false and empty. So I thought I'm still a non-admin

I will try sendClientCommand() and Event.OnClientCommand. thanks

[sour island]

local function onCommand(_module, _command, _player, _args)
    --serverside
    print("onCommand: _module:".._module.."  _command:".._command)
end
Events.OnClientCommand.Add(onCommand)
``` in server/

sendClientCommand(module, command, {args})
```in client/ (or shared/ if you use isClient())

[verbal ivy]

wow, thanks for the details, will try soon.

[sour island]

no worries, just passing on info others gave me

[torn root]

Is there anyone here who knows how to port characters into this game or if its possible?

[sour island]

check #modeling

[torn root]

Thank you

[spiral plover]

Damn even my dynamic radio isn't working on the server...

I literally copied that one super closely from vanilla smh, its in the same folder section and everything

[verbal ivy]

Hi, I ran the SendCommandToServer() inside of OnClientCommand but get errors that I can't read. Any clues of what the problems are? Does server just can't run sendCommandToServer()? (I ran the function in normal client side function just fine)
Callframe at: SendCommandToServer
[13-01-22 12:45:25.066] ERROR: General , 1642049125066> 6,983,197> ExceptionLogger.logException> Exception thrown java.lang.reflect.InvocationTargetException at NativeMethodAccessorImpl.invoke0 (Native Method)..
[13-01-22 12:45:25.066] ERROR: General , 1642049125066> 6,983,197> DebugLogStream.printException> Stack trace:.

[verbal ivy]

No matter what I do, the command just simply doesn't work in OnClientCommand, maybe server really just can't ran SendCommandToServer()

Then does server can't run admin command? what a strange mechanic

[verbal ivy]

God... what is wrong with PZ, client doesn't has admin access to run command but has function to run command, server doesn't has function to run command but has admin access. What is happening with this thing.

[boreal stag]

Was wondering if someone had some tips. Trying to have a zombie created (outside of view of the player), and then get aggro'd to the player. Like in the state where if a player aggros a zombie, and then runs in a house and closes the door behind them. Sight is lost, but aggro and pathing is still there(?)
Tried to mimic it like this:

      zomb = createZombie(x, y, 0, nil, 100, IsoDirections:getRandom())
      zomb:spotted(firstPlayer, true)
      zomb:addAggro(firstPlayer, 50) -- No clue what this number does
      zomb:setTarget(firstPlayer)
      zomb:pathToCharacter(firstPlayer)
      print("oioi zomboi", zomb:getID(), zomb:isTargetLocationKnown())

And I get this:

LOG  : General     , 1642054197957> 433,867,847> oioi zomboi    0       false
LOG  : General     , 1642054197958> 433,867,848> oioi zomboi    40      false
LOG  : General     , 1642054197959> 433,867,849> oioi zomboi    41      false
LOG  : General     , 1642054197960> 433,867,850> oioi zomboi    42      false
LOG  : General     , 1642054197960> 433,867,851> oioi zomboi    43      false

[verbal ivy]

Zombie will quickly lose their aggro and tratget if they don't see the player, you need to keep adding those aggro in OnZombieUpdate

[boreal stag]

😩
So it really was as simple a solution as I thought. I'll give that a try, thanks!

[verbal ivy]

a little side hint: createZombie() on clinet will not work on MP, if you want the zombies to exist on MP, make sure to call the function in server side.

[boreal stag]

Yep, I have this in /media/lua/server

[verbal ivy]

the folder doesn't mean anything, it's just a way to organize file, client will still run the lua inside the server folder

[boreal stag]

Oh, maybe this part I'm not catching. I have this in /server on both my local PZ game and my local hosted server.
Following the structure of this: https://github.com/FWolfe/Zomboid-Modding-Guide/blob/master/structure/README.md
had me believe that client side execution of scripts are on /shared, /client; and /server is specifically for the server

[quasi geode]

hrm i probably should clarity that there

[pearl notch]

does this apply to modpacks as well?

[boreal stag]

I guess to that point, how does one ensure that something executes specifically on the server?

or is it just good enough that the script exists in the server, and the client ignores the script because it's 'not client-side available'

[quasi geode]

throw the file in the server directory, add this to the top of the file:
if isClient() then return end

[boreal stag]

(reminds me of dayz modding)
roger that 👍

Thanks for clarifying this for me!

Guarantee I would've encountered a phantom bug related to this in the future

[uneven thunder]

As someone who will be attending a bachelor's program for computer science focusing on software engineering, and developing games outside of work, is self-teaching/learning to code via modding (PZ specific) a nice segue into some of the work I'd be doing in early classes with programming languages?

I have some, but very little, experience with Lua and C#.

[cunning hare]

hey I'm setting the panic stat in my timedAction:Update() so you get progressively panicked and its working however when I use the time controls it doesn't take them into account and I'm wondering how I could check if the game is being sped up so I can adjust the amount to increase panic accordingly?

[junior flame]

UIManager.getSpeedControls():getCurrentGameSpeed() will return current game speed as an int

[cunning hare]

thankyou so much

[boreal stag]

Any introduction to programming prior to class will help you out for your first (couple?) semesters. At least for my curriculum, we were given java and started with the basics: types, conditionals, loops, scopes, object oriented programming The second semester focused on data structures, which you may not get too much insight into with Lua (https://www.lua.org/pil/11.html).
Just doing whatever project that keeps you motivated to learn is good stuff.

[zenith smelt]

🤔 Anyone know something like this: How to fix a car part with a script?

or damage it

[cunning hare]

having an issue where IsoObjectPicker is being blocked by grass and other objects does anyone know how i could fix this because base timed action context menus are not affected by this.

[dim pawn]

Are there any mods or config changes I can make to have positive food moodles last longer?

[fiery hollow]

quick question, how do you make your own challenges? Like choose the spawnpoint, starting loot, objective, etc.

[drifting ore]

Are there any zombie cure mods that are still challenging?

[hollow shadow]

yes

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2685680439&searchtext=vaccin

[swift breach]

Anyone know if there’s a mod thattl let you crawl

[iron junco]

Does anyone have any information on making custom textures? I am new to modding and have been trying to find the info for quite a while now, but it hasn't been successful yet. Thanks in advance!

[dusky goblet]

First timer? or know your way around a modelling program?

[iron junco]

First timer :)

[dusky goblet]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2648115890&searchtext=model
This might help you, it got me started with replacing textures common player textures.

First step is to get blender or another software that might entice you, Blender is available on steam for free.

Next step you need an image suite, i prefer photoshop and i'm kinda out of the knowledge on what free software is actually out there. But Gimp has been around for quite a while.

[drifting ore]

Hey guys question, if i add mods on an ongoing PZ game in multiplayer with friends

Will it work ?

[dusky goblet]

Depends on what mod it is, this should probably be posted in mod_support next time

[spare girder]

hi guys, do you know of that mod where if you create a new character during a long playthrough it will start with more skills

[iron junco]

Thanks for the link! I had actually already gotten blender. Therefore, I wanted to clarify one thing. The process of making a texture for an object is called UV mapping?

[winter bolt]

if you're making a texture for an existing model then no

uv mapping is how you unwrap parts of a model so that you can add a texture to it

[iron junco]

Oh ok. In fact, this is the first thing I want to try out. I want to make a new texture for an existing clothing item

Can it be done in blender or it needs a separate software?

[late hound]

yes

[tough igloo]

is there any way to get delta time?

cause i need to increment a value over time on player update and i need it to not depend on ticks

or updates per second, or whatever its called, im new to modding pz

[drifting ore]

Use events EveryDays EveryHours EveryOneMinute or EveryTenMinutes

[tough igloo]

alright, that makes sense, how often does OnPlayerUpdate happen though?

[verbal ivy]

Hi, do anyone know if there is a reliable way to calculate days since the spawn day in MP? getDay() only return the day of the month, getDaysSurvived() always return 0 when on dedicated server. Anyway to calculate the days since the world spawn in?

[verbal ivy]

Find it myself, it's getWorld:():getWorldAgeDays(), although it seems to start counting at spawn day 7:10, don't know why

[drifting ore]

lol

[weary matrix]

any clue how to associate data to a steam user? A bit like ModData but for the SteamUser class (which is not an IsoObject so no ModData)

I need my data to persist even if the player is creating a new character

[weary matrix]

it depends on the FPS/framerate

[tacit ermine]

you can't

[mint sphinx]

@hollow shadow did you ever find the icon btw? sry i made a rouge on you just had some importen stuff happen around me

[tame veldt]

Hi! I was wondering if someone could me understand why my very simple code isn't working in-game. It seems to only work when I remove the function, but then it only grabs the first line and ignores the elseif. The print works and shows changing values. So i'm very confused

[hybrid surge]

Willing to pay up to 10 dollars over steam for a mod where birds can be on your shoulder (clothing mod)

[mint sphinx]

not really sure that this channel is for that ^^

[hybrid surge]

Birt

Bird

I cam also pay someone to teach me

[mint sphinx]

also guess it more like modeling you need aswell and not really that much coding

[hybrid surge]

I can model, I can't code

Thats the help I need

[noble zinc]

DROPKICK MOD

[drifting ore]

runs drop kicks falls gets eaten XD

[weary matrix]

@tacit ermine isn't there a global object or something in the world I could attach my data to?

[hidden estuary]

are there any mod templates or guides on how to create medicine items? involving the health menu and the like?

finding this hard to figure out

[pine vigil]

My recollection is hazy, but I feel like I remember a couple of years ago where you could literally attach data to the world (IsoWorld maybe? I'm not sure) itself. Which is what some of the old server operators used to do. Was super unreliable though.

[noble zinc]

DROPKICK MOD

[mint sphinx]

png or .pack for icon what is best?

[verbal ivy]

I would like to make some new animation mod if the game's animation flie can be open with Blender

[drifting ore]

Can't you just save a .txt file somewhere on the pc with the data? I suspect that it creates problems but that much?

[willow estuary]

Correct.

Global Mod Data was added as the new, better version of it.

[drifting ore]

Does global mod data stay when the server is down?

[weary matrix]

IsoWorld is not an IsoObject, so not sure how I would achieve that

[weary matrix]

I specifically don't want it to be available via local files

[indigo spire]

Hi all. Is there a mod to reduce the amount of blood splatter?

[winter bolt]

you can turn it down in sandbox settings

[indigo spire]

Oh ok, thank you 🙂

[drifting ore]

But what exactly do you want to do?

[gleaming valve]

@river plinth you maintain the professionframework on the workshop right? will you update it?

[weary matrix]

save a lua table associated to a steam user, so that if the user disconnect or create a new character on the same server the lua table would be available from Lua

[drifting ore]

You can maybe create an immortal and invisible player and put the data on it

And then make tables with the variable nickname and check when someone connects if they have data in this player

[weary matrix]

hmm or maybe just attach my data to the admin user's character?

hmmm but what if the admin is not connected, then I wouldn't have access to the IsoPlayer of the admin I guess :/

[drifting ore]

Mmmm but I think it should be connected all the time, that's the problem

[drifting ore]

Yes exactly, that's why to make a new player who is always connected. But it's a bit of a shit idea

[weary matrix]

I think it's crazy that you can't store global data, there has to be a way

[drifting ore]

There is global mod data, what wrong with that ?

[weary matrix]

just not sure how to use it

[willow estuary]

You can store global mod data and it is persistent between restarts.

I thought a link was easier to Google, but the patch notes for the build that released with it lists the functions used for it and how they work.

[river plinth]

I just got the permission from Fenris_Wolf to update it on the workshop, will do in a couple of minutes

[drifting ore]

How to use global ModData :

- Global ModData

Registers moddata tables with a given String key.
When Global Moddata is initialised during world loading it triggers the event "OnInitGlobalModData" with parameter: boolean isNewGame.
LuaTable ModData.create(String key) creates and returns the table with given key, returns null if the table already exists.
String ModData.create() creates a table with a random UUID key, note: returns the string key.
LuaTable ModData.getOrCreate(String key) gets or creates the table with given key.
LuaTable ModData.get(String key) returns the table with given key or null.
boolean ModData.exists(String key) return true if table with given key exists.
LuaTable ModData.remove(String key) removes the table with given key if exists and returns it or null.
void ModData.add(String key, LuaTable table) store the table with given key (overrides any existing table).
ArrayList getTableNames() returns a list of all registered tables.

Networking

Global ModData is not synced between server and client as depending on what the moddata is being used for this may not be required or even unwanted.
Syncing of data where needed is up to coder/author. There are however two methods for networking:
void ModData.transmit(String key)
- this will attempt to transmit the table with given key, when called on server this is send to all clients, when called on client send to server. (see note on receiving moddata below)
void ModData.request(String key)
- client only, this sends a request to server to send back the table with given key to this client.
When the server or the client receives a moddata packet it is not automatically added to the local register.
Instead the packet is read and the event "OnReceiveGlobalModData" is triggered, the String key and LuaTable table are passed as arguments.
NOTE: the table argument can be 'false' when moddata packet replied to a ModData.request.

[weary matrix]

looks perfect ❤️

I was looking for GlobalModData so didn't find much 😂

[drifting ore]

Could maybe be nice to pin my last message or something similar @willow estuary

[weary matrix]

yeah would be nice indeed

[tacit ermine]

yeah, you can use the GlobalObjectSystem

oh you found it

[weary matrix]

yeah thanks to @drifting ore

looks like exactly what I need

[tacit ermine]

there's a handy debug UI for it too

ctrl+f3 I think

[drifting ore]

Hahaha, thanks to @willow estuary

[weary matrix]

hehe

[willow estuary]

Okay, so the pins are a mess, aren't good for people looking for information, and the more pins there are the less use they are individually? The information would be better organized on the PZ wiki.

I'll make a deal though, I will pin posts for people after they or someone else makes some sort of link or reference in the modding section of the PZ wiki

Is that fair?

[weary matrix]

well no 😂

I wish I had found this info in the pins

I agree the wiki should be updated though, but please don't make it a prerequisite

[tacit ermine]

no one wants to write technical documentation on mediawiki

[drifting ore]

A bit of sorting in the pinned massages already would not be bad, like the one with just The link for notepad ++ may not be useful

[willow estuary]

Pinned messages are just straight up terrible as a resource, all the feedback has confirmed it, and the plan is eventually to have just one pinned post linking to the modding section of the PZ wiki.

I've done some work migrating stuff to the wiki, and yes, it's not fun,but it is simple.

[weary matrix]

well then when TIS decides to properly document their modding API we can do what you suggest, but until then could you please pin that critical piece of information that is missing from all source of documentation?

a terrible resource is still better than no resource at all

[drifting ore]

There is not even a modding section in the wiki

[weary matrix]

that is not true though 😂

[drifting ore]

So where, I found nothing

[tacit ermine]

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Modding

[pine vigil]

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Modding

[tacit ermine]

you wouldn't guess from the URL, but that's where it is

[elder kelp]

i think he understood the message once

[drifting ore]

Indeed, I find nothing from the main menu

[tacit ermine]

yeah it's not linked from the homepage

probably should be

[pine vigil]

I can change that.

After work though

[weary matrix]

@pine vigil would you please pin to this channel the message from MrBounty about the global ModData?

[drifting ore]

That looks like the snake that bites its own tail

[pine vigil]

Not sure what you mean

[drifting ore]

It's not an English expression too? It means that not linking the wiki will not help to highlight it, not help make article and therefore less chance of link it

[pine vigil]

I been away from the community since I left my job with The Indie Stone a couple of years ago and have only just returned. I prefer to defer to @willow estuary on this channel. Plus I kind of agree with him.

[pine vigil]

Yeah but I’m at work right now and can’t login to the wiki for a couple of hours yet is all I’m saying

[drifting ore]

Oooo ok mb

[noble zinc]

DROPKICK MOD

[weary matrix]

@pine vigil that's so unfair

I really don't understand your reasoning

like it's not on the wiki so we're not allowed to know this information exists basically?

I just spend 2 days looking for that information, if it was pinned here it would have spare me of all this lost time

@willow estuary @pine vigil don't be like this please, just pin the message

[drifting ore]

I agree that bad documentation is better than no documentation. The information may be forgotten when updating the wiki in addition

[winged lotus]

Good evening all, I managed to access all decompiled code to help myself modding, now I search for a ways to access all graphical resources and I can't find a way to recover all item icons and moodles, does anyone knows how I could access those please ?😁

[hidden estuary]

yeah feeling you there, I wanted to make a different kind of smoker and my week's been a mess cause I guess no one ever tried and there's nothing on it

[drifting ore]

All is on the texturespack folder in the .pack format. I can send you a .jar to unzip it. But I forgot where I get it

[formal stone]

Yeah that's sorta ridiculous that it isn't pinned @pine vigil ??? Why would we keep info from the community

thank you @drifting ore

[noble zinc]

DROPKICK MOD

[weary matrix]

@willow estuary a terrible resource is still better than no resource at all don't you think?

[pine vigil]

@noble zinc stop spamming

[weary matrix]

@willow estuary @pine vigil it's already hard enough to do pz modding without keeping information away from the modders?

[pine vigil]

I’m not trying to be an asshole here, I just prefer to defer to someone who’s been around this channel more, but I agree with him on the wiki part. It’s a better place to collect this information and is specifically made to be edited by the community.

[winged lotus]

Thanks for the lead, found what I needed 🙏

[weary matrix]

@willow estuary ah now it's on the wiki, so we can have the message pinned right?

[drifting ore]

can i ask a question?

[weary matrix]

well you just did 😛

[drifting ore]

how to do PZ anims?

what softwares should i use?

[weary matrix]

what's PZ anims?

[pine vigil]

Animations I would think.

[tough igloo]

is there any way to check a tile's brightness?

[drifting ore]

https://github.com/MrBounty/PZ-Mod---Doc/blob/main/How to use global modData.md
I made that, I think I'll add two three things like how to do a timed actions or something too. What I learn and could be usefull so far

[tough igloo]

or rather, how would i know how bright the location of a player is

i wanna know if a player is standing in the dark and vice versa

[pine vigil]

Why wouldn't you just edit this on the wiki?

[weary matrix]

probably because he's not paid to do TIS's job?

[drifting ore]

Cause I don't know how and like git hub, never edit a wiki

And the wiki sucks, accept it and do something new. It's no use carrying around corpses for years

[hidden estuary]

but, Steve the pocket skeleton

[tacit ermine]

different kind of smoker?

[hidden estuary]

I'm trying to make a trait thats essentially smoker but with its own moodles and mechanics

and god, I'm not familiar with this code at all

so I'm having a joyful amount of drinks

it doesnt help that smoker is really something else

cigarettes are food

[tacit ermine]

ultimately it's just recording the time when you use an item

[hidden estuary]

but I want to tie it to a moodle that kills you

and its medicine related

so you can see the spaghetti stacking up

its a smoker that relies on different types of medication and will kill you with moodles similar to hunger or thirst

[winged lotus]

Hi again, I am looking into recipe code these days, I managed to create many recipes that needs to be learned using NeedToBeLearn:true, but this does not seem to work when applied to fixing recipes, the ones starting like fixing Fix DoubleBarrelShotgun. My guess is that I will never be able to make a fix recipe learnable but before giving up I thought I should ask here. Anyone has leads on how to make learnable fix recipes?

[drifting ore]

If I'm not mistaken, moodles are difficult to mod. Maybe just do it another way

[tacit ermine]

doesn't look like it, the only thing it has is a chance to fail

[hidden estuary]

there's an API for it, and its what I've been trying to figure it out

but I personally dont see how else would I do this

cause I need to kill the player if they dont take medication

[tacit ermine]

moodles arent the only way to kill a player

[hidden estuary]

I dont see how else would I go about this without moodles

specially from a design perspective, moodles work as an alert too, like a warning before you suddenly die from it

my name got a plunger

[drifting ore]

In the player's modData, you put a variable that reduces over time. It increases if you take the medicine and kills you if you are at 0

But hey, I get the alert thing

[tacit ermine]

can use overhead chat to signal the alert like getting a cold does

there's examples of custom moodles though AFAIK

look at the happiness one, someone posted it here a couple days ago

it uses the same MoodleAPI that I think you're referring to

[drifting ore]

he he boi hand models go burr

[gleaming valve]

Well guys my mod is on the workshop now :) https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2717907626

Yes I'm great at art, why do you ask?

[frosty stirrup]

Guys, who can advise me on how to open the .tiles file properly with TileZed? Every time I do, it never shows me the pictures of actual tiles

what I am trying to do is to open a .tiles file from existing mod and modify it, I can obviously change values and that works, but I need to know why pictures are not shown, as I am stuck making my own .tiles because of weird behavior of the tool

[junior flame]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fbvb6LeX0Sw Dirkie linked me to this one when I was having problems setting it up - this sorta stuff is more quickly answered over in #mapping

[frosty stirrup]

Also if I open any of vanilla game .tiles files, as shown on screenshot, it's an issue too

Ah, I saw that, but it tells you how to use custom tiles for mapping. I need to know how to work with actual .tiles file, not use someone's

[willow estuary]

#mapping is the channel where the tile experts hang out FYI 🙂

[junior flame]

oh duh, i got the wrong channel lol

[frosty stirrup]

I am not in a need of mapping, I am trying to make in-game tiles for objects (movables), would it still be a proper channel to post in?

[junior flame]

Yeah, but if you have the base game extracted tiles set up like he does in the video, it will fix your problem.

I was having the same issue.

[willow estuary]

Yeah, if you're having issues with TileZed and the like, the bunch over there are the experts with that program?

For making new movables, I dunno how much that bunch deals with that, but the vanilla script files have examples of how that's implemented in moveables.txt and newMoveables.txt.

[junior flame]

Moveables functions/capabilities are determined strictly through tilezed

[willow estuary]

Yep, and movable scripts reference that tile.

As long at the movable script is properly referencing a working movable tile, the script item will work.

    item Mov_FoldingChair
    {
        DisplayCategory = Furniture,
        Type            = Moveable,
        Icon            = default,
        Weight              = 0.5,
        DisplayName        = Moveable,
        WorldObjectSprite    = furniture_seating_indoor_01_60,
    }

WorldObjectSprite = furniture_seating_indoor_01_60 is the important part there.

[frosty stirrup]

I learnt that, my problem is getting my .png file from photoshop into a working file, and also I dont understand why opening vanilla .tiles throws red ??? instead of pictures.

Every time I try to open someone's .tiles, I get these red question marks instead of pictures

I assume because the tileZed doesnt load actual tiles

only the definition

[willow estuary]

Yeah, okay, that's where the tile wizards in the mapping channel will be able to help you? That's definitely their sphere of expertise 🙂

[frosty stirrup]

I will go ping them, thank you for the direction!

[willow estuary]

Np, and good luck!

[junior flame]

his problem is that the tiles don't hold the sprites, the .pack does and those are not accessible by default. you have to crack them open for tilezed to read them lol

custom tilemakers give you the opened files too - since for most of them that's the purpose of them lol

[drifting ore]

Made that quickly

https://github.com/MrBounty/PZ-Mod---Doc/blob/main/How to make a custom timed actions.md

[junior flame]

That'll be widely useful - I'm not sure anyone had compiled timedaction knowledge anywhere, been working with them a lot for my project and it would have been nice to have that when I started lol

[drifting ore]

Exactly what I said to myself, if you have something to add, don't hesitate

Btw, Is there a doc to make a custom job, trait or perks ? Otherwise I will do it too

[keen temple]

Is it possible to create a skill with an XP bar?

[drifting ore]

I was just thinking of making a little github doc to explain it if it doesn't already exist. I ping you when I finish it if you want

[keen temple]

Please do because I was thinking of learning how to mod and do stuff for pz but I've got an ultimate idea for a mod.

Chemistry!

[drifting ore]

It would be nice, send me a message if I forgot to send it to you

[keen temple]

Al

Alr*

[limpid vine]

anyone have any idea why the item icon over my head is the full path to the texture instead of the actual sprite? i'm going insane trying to fix this

[winter bolt]

the icon path automatically checks inside of the texture folder so you dont need to include the full path

i'm pretty sure the texture also needs "Item_" at the start of its name

[thin hornet]

Isn't there anyway of loading into MP server with debug enabled?

WorldDictionary: Checking dictionary...
LOG  : General     , 1642096984122> ===================================

ERROR: General     , 1642096984123> java.lang.RuntimeException: Cannot override modID. ModID=pz-vanilla

I get this everytime, with local workshop on or off doesnt matter.
Trying to log in account with admin role.

the source code where this error happen:

public static void onLoadItem(Item var0) {
      if (!GameClient.bClient) {
         if (!allowScriptItemLoading) {
            log("Warning script item loaded after WorldDictionary is initialised");
            if (Core.bDebug) {
               throw new RuntimeException("This shouldn't be happening.");
            }
         }

         ItemInfo var1 = (ItemInfo)itemLoadList.get(var0.getFullName());
         if (var1 == null) {
            var1 = new ItemInfo();
            var1.itemName = var0.getName();
            var1.moduleName = var0.getModuleName();
            var1.fullType = var0.getFullName();
            itemLoadList.put(var0.getFullName(), var1);
         }

         if (var1.modID != null && !var0.getModID().equals(var1.modID)) {
            if (var1.modOverrides == null) {
               var1.modOverrides = new ArrayList();
            }

            if (!var1.modOverrides.contains(var1.modID)) {
               var1.modOverrides.add(var1.modID);
            } else {
               log("modOverrides for item '" + var1.fullType + "' already contains mod id: " + var1.modID);
            }
         }

         var1.modID = var0.getModID();
         if (var1.modID.equals("pz-vanilla")) {
            var1.existsAsVanilla = true;
         }

         var1.isModded = !var1.modID.equals("pz-vanilla");
         var1.obsolete = var0.getObsolete();
         var1.scriptItem = var0;
      }
   }

[limpid vine]

that's the weird thing, my icon is just Item_BirchBark.png

[winter bolt]

try just "Icon = BirchBark,"?

[limpid vine]

no idea as to why it wouldn't work

[willow estuary]

Silly sounding question, but have you tried logging in w/o being in debug mode?
Just worried that the world dictionary business is unrelated?

[thin hornet]

Yeah without debug it works correctly.

It does connect, but when the black screen this is how you die start, it kill the game with the error message.

[willow estuary]

Well, then the good news is that your server isn't bricked?
Just get worried when I see that world dictionary business 😅

[thin hornet]

hehe yay

I wonder if loading as debug is only allowed with username = admin

[pine vigil]

Unless it's changed in the intervening years, that sounds like it could be my code to prevent users in debug mode connecting from back in the day.

[winter bolt]

is the icon in just the texture folder?