wow-general

[rare solar]

Vanish

Or gnome racial

[halcyon lagoon]

ah yeah good ol vanish forgot about that thx

[fringe umbra]

Its an insanely minor loss to not be behind the mob, dont worry about it

[hearty fog]

@glad harness help

[plush dune]

wtf snitch

[hearty fog]

no honor amongst thieves here.

[plush dune]

i wanted to see my stats or whatever the hell the new scam is

[hearty fog]

portfolio or something

[pale sleet]

is there a way to log dummy fights ?

[fervent ibex]

pretty sure you can make a custom log of anything

[torpid harness]

Real

[fallow brook]

@shell hill pls send crypto bot to shadow realm

[shell hill]

!ban @proven sun spam

[halcyon lagoon]

its really easy with the right talents xD

[frigid isle]

which curios did you use?

[halcyon lagoon]

defensives

healer + def curios + tricks on her

had to revive her 4 times but its doable with elusivness

[blazing sable]

How much logging affects fps?

[mellow pilot]

I did it yesterday too with mandate + dagger (or whatever it is called)

[halcyon lagoon]

I felt it was easier than on my dh tank

[mellow pilot]

She's not 60 but honestly elusiv --> ress was easy enough every time she went down

[halcyon lagoon]

also I use to grab hearts right away now for the hot, I used to wait until I drop low then pick it up but I think its better picking them up right away

yeah shes not 60 for me too

[mellow pilot]

I never dropped low because I was never tanking

Shadowdance drops aggro

[meager totem]

wasnt that bad even at 250 without even perma tricksing valeera, just have to time dances

and my valeera was like lvl 20

so you dont have to rez her so much

[halcyon lagoon]

https://tenor.com/view/ba-dum-tsss-drum-band-gif-7320811

yeah tricks is a good "trick"

[pseudo idol]

finally 90!! i cant decide outlaw or sin!!!! help! I want to go 15+ m+!!!!

[mellow pilot]

Any of the two

[wind hamlet]

Outlaw is harder to get into just in case you never tried it

[harsh spruce]

hey i level my firsst rogue which specc is better for raiding later assa or outlaw?

[zealous halo]

Sub

[pseudo idol]

i was rouge main during warwithin, i played outlaw s1, sin s2, sub s3 hmmm.

[halcyon lagoon]

btw u guys spell it Rouché too right?

[thorny ice]

will killing chimaerus in 2different difficulties open vault slot

[ruby linden]

No, afaik only the higher is counted

[hearty fog]

yeah

it wont open 2 vault slots

needs to be unique bosses

[rustic hemlock]

What's the best spec for pugging m+? outlaw?

[steep dock]

all 3 work ngl

maybe not ass on lower keys

[spare vine]

It works but pugging as rogue sucks just cause all things equal people gonna invite meta over rogue

[mellow pilot]

Meta rogue is not inviting one

[onyx ferry]

I’ve been working on my resil 15s and I’ve been getting invited at a surprising clip

[ruby linden]

I’ve had no issues <=14 so far

[onyx ferry]

Regarding my extra roll token

[forest sleet]

for me it helps being in a top ~120 guild being 8/9, feels like people look at that as well xddddddddddddddd

atleast gotten comments about it

[mellow pilot]

Waiting game now

[halcyon lagoon]

outlaw needs sword to function right?

at least in main hand

[static epoch]

yes

MH sword/fist/mace/axe

OH dagger is best

[torpid harness]

wot happen

[mellow pilot]

Didn't get refunded

[torpid harness]

damn that sucks

[onyx ferry]

I spent one on Tuesday night and it didn’t get refunded

So I’m wondering if they just checked for people who spent both 😅

[torpid harness]

Oof

Honestly it's such a mess

[onyx ferry]

And I really need a pit dagger lol

My OH is only champ track level so getting a 289 MH and putting my crafted in OH is nearly a 2.5% dps increase

[torpid harness]

Holy shit yeah

[onyx ferry]

I’ve run more dungeons than I ever have and I haven’t looted a dagger it’s crazy

[halcyon lagoon]

oh mace works?

[static epoch]

yes

[halcyon lagoon]

thats cool I just got one

[silk ferry]

Idk what spec to play. Sub feels so good on lower vault filler runs and assa feels so good on higher keys. But I don’t want to worry about switching back and forth.

[torpid harness]

Play what you wanna play

[silk ferry]

-# anything but outlaw kekw

I say that but outlaw isn’t that bad either. Just don’t have the right stats for it

[onyx ferry]

Aren’t all rogue specs licking crit/haste right now

[silk ferry]

mast crit for sub.

[austere tartan]

after getting 700 haste, so you still really do want haste

[torpid harness]

Also leans more towards crit for raids

Mastery still good tho

[onyx ferry]

Well yeah but you need 700 haste first

And then you can focus on other stats

All I’m saying is don’t let stats sway you from playing what you enjoy

[silk ferry]

Yes, was more saying I don’t have the right stats for outlaw to feel good. lol

[torpid harness]

I also don't have 24% haste

lmao

[marsh wagon]

is it even possible to have the "right stats" to make outlaw feel good? 😄

[silk ferry]

That’s true! Ha
I’ve been hanging onto my bonus rolls until I decide what I’m wanting to play. Sub is feeling kinda thin when I did some keys over the weekend. I love the burstiness in the 11-12 but I’ve really been wanting the option to have prio damage in some pacs. I did my first 15s on Saturday and did NOT like sub.

I did some assa last night and really liked it in a 13.
Probably pleb keys compared to everyone here but still felt better to me

[mellow pilot]

Go assa

Yeah

[torpid harness]

If you're mainly m+ I also recommend you go assa

[mellow pilot]

Assa for keys where mobs live long enough is really good

[torpid harness]

Sub is fine but people will be like "why u not playing assa" cause yeah

[mellow pilot]

That's why sub is preferred in keys where things die quickly

[marsh wagon]

not playing sin b/c i don't wanna 😄

[torpid harness]

Same

I also don't care too much about pushing keys tho

[mellow pilot]

Fair enough, I also can't stand it this expac

[torpid harness]

I'm more like pushing them by accident or for fun

[silk ferry]

I hadn’t played assa since bfa when outlaw was king. I pushed with it because my tank would let me restealth. The changes to it since then feel so good.

[torpid harness]

So wild to me when I see this when I'm basically not giving a shit about it

I switched to sub, then they buffed assas, I stayed sub cause I loved the spec

Assas felt so dead to me idk

[mellow pilot]

The fact I run out of energy in m+ kills me inside

[torpid harness]

Yeah and the tracking is boring as hell

With Sub I always feel like I got something to do while doing mechanics

And I feel "pressure" to do it right

With assas it's more like you're just vibing

Which is fine

Just not my cup of tea

[silk ferry]

I feel like that ^ but backwards lol

Maybe I just need a change of pace, I’ve played a lot of sub

[torpid harness]

Could be that yeah

I started one week and a half into midnight and hadn't played since wod pvp

And I also started as assas

So for me sub is difficult, new, fun and interesting apart from losing on meters by default to other classes ofc

[marsh wagon]

i just started rogue after maining a lot of monk, trying to pick up enhance this tier due to the purge, and still realizing i'm too old to enhance properly, sub fits where my brain needs to be and just clicked

[torpid harness]

PvE wise I hadn't played since wotlk lmao

Or first classic vanilla release

[gentle frigate]

is the weekly vault broken lmfao?

[marsh wagon]

reset hasn't happened yet

still got ~10 minutes

[gentle frigate]

reset was supposed to start an hour ago

[marsh wagon]

maintenance started at 7am PST, but daily reset doesn't happen until 8am PST

servers just came back up early

[gentle frigate]

penis cock

[marsh wagon]

7 minutes until daily/weekly reset happens

[onyx ferry]

Sub definitely has damage but it feels fake and I can’t explain it

[torpid harness]

I'm over here in Europe standing around in Silvermoon

[torpid harness]

That's because we are completely blotted out by classes who actually have cleave and can pad way better than us

[silk ferry]

Speaking of ^ how’s outlaw feel for low/high kegs

[torpid harness]

Vorasius, Belo'ren, Crown and L'ura are like our only times to shine but it's difficult to even prog to 3 of those

[silk ferry]

Like sometimes I play with my brothers who max at 10s and sometimes I play with guildies 15s

[torpid harness]

I don't play it myself but apparently it's really good in keys

[silk ferry]

It’d be nice to not have to switch between specs

[torpid harness]

Don't take my word for it tho

Maybe ask in outlaw channel

[onyx ferry]

Unless you’re pushing rank 1 keys you can do whatever you want

[silk ferry]

I don’t like that answer ^

Haha

[torpid harness]

I mean it's true tho

I'm doing 15s just fine as sub

[rare solar]

Most important part is that you like the spec

Bc then you have drive to improve

[fiery coyote]

mythic loot from vault doesn't eliminate it from bonus roll pool, right?

[onyx ferry]

ding dong the witch is dead

(This is my first myth track weapon in vault since DF)

[turbid heron]

Nope

[fiery coyote]

nope as in, correct?

[turbid heron]

Yeah sorry, the loot from the vault doesn't count for the bonus loot

[torpid harness]

Which is terrible for me cause now I'm scared shitless of getting myth occlusion from rolls when I already have it

On top of the 42 xenas runs for omission that would really be the cherry on top

[gentle frigate]

Ngl I’m from the school that you shouldn’t play a class as a dps unless you’re ok playing all the specs.

But I understand I’m probably not the majority

[onyx ferry]

I would legitimately rather uninstall than play outlaws

[light canyon]

God cannot force me to equip something that isn't a dagger

[onyx ferry]

I tried outlaw ONCE in BFA and was forced by my tank to swap specs outside 😂

[gentle frigate]

I think I started playing the game when rogue with 1hs was the defacto best spec

So outlaw never bothered me

[marsh wagon]

tbh if i'm not meshing with a spec, not gunna play it, i'll go find another class with a spec that I gel with

[warm marsh]

It still is in classic.

[gentle frigate]

Precisely

[warm marsh]

Yeah but outlul “yarrr pirate lyfe” is deffinitely not combat rogue 🙂

[raw hill]

i forgot it was reset day today LOL congrats!

[quasi stone]

just got solarflare prism in vault and debating if i should swap to outlaw now from sub lol

or defiant cloak also mythic

[marsh wagon]

i feel like i'm going to get a mythic prism from my bonus rolls while fishing skyreach for the dagger while one sits in my vault

[rare solar]

I got mine the first roll

Just missing a weapon and i can try some outlaw again

[marsh wagon]

yeah, now i'm down to 3 items from SR... cloak/trinket, which would be bad for me, and dagger =\

[sour patrol]

your tank and a healer talking to you

[rotund patrol]

wasn't outlaw giga nuts in season 2 of bfa

[gentle frigate]

all my world boss gear on my warrior is rogue gear

[woeful geyser]

the average bfa s2 m+ comp had 2 or 3 outlaws

but tbh, bfa is almost 10 years ago at this point

so its a bit weird to use as a reference point

[thorny ice]

bruh i just killed chimaerus and didnt get a chance to bonus roll, anyone know whats up with that

[sour patrol]

is nice

[mellow pilot]

Do you have bonus rolls available? Two of them?

[thorny ice]

i had 1 available

i used one earlier

[mellow pilot]

Yeah...

[meager totem]

raid costs 2

[thorny ice]

bruh

aight ty

[sour patrol]

Raid rolls cost two due to the smaller loot table

[astral path]

do mythic lockouts work the same way as they always have?

[meager totem]

yes

except its crossrealm from the start now

[astral path]

so if i do 1/2 bosses with guild, i cannot pug any other bosses in voidspire even if they're on the same boss?

[meager totem]

correct

[astral path]

well thank fuck my bis stuff is from 1st bosses

[turbid heron]

@shell hill the portfolio bots are out of control

[ruby linden]

The silver lining this season, is that dreamrift lockout is separate from voidspire

[surreal geode]

!up

[ionic forum]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1488547832062415010/drop_fixed.png

[left crow]

On another server they made a trap in channel&roles choosing

[meager totem]

this server has it aswell

[mellow pilot]

Yeah we have a LOT of security measures to ensure bots don't get thru, and a lot of them get banned without any of you even realizing, Moroes does such a good job

[ember nest]

yea there is a channel if you post there you get banned instantly

[mellow pilot]

Yeah xD

[noble kestrel]

he's a good rogue

[forest sleet]

tf mount is that

[craggy ridge]

if I ilvl boost a myth weapon, and then get a new myth weapon. Will it have thee boost too or?

[torpid harness]

You can upgrade it for free

Up to the level the previous weapon was upgraded

[craggy ridge]

Great, thanks!

[quasi oasis]

to be clear for dual wield weapons this only works for your 2nd highest weapon ilvl

same with trinkets and rings

[craggy ridge]

ah shoot

[halcyon lagoon]

is your details dps also very off from whats being logged?

logs usually show 5% lower for me

[craggy ridge]

raid or m+?

[tough swallow]

The in game meter is a bit off usually

[bright otter]

Also details is combat time only and logs are the whole key

[halcyon lagoon]

both

just did 82k on boss according to details and it logged 77k

[hearty fog]

The in game meter is a bit off usually

[ruby linden]

Details is just a skin of default damage meter which is inaccurate and buggy

Mid combat I just see entire options and buttons disappearing from the meter

[craggy ridge]

Raidlogs are usually closer to ingame for me, warcraftlogs m+ logs take the whole dungeon timer into account for dps, ingame meter only tracks active fighting. So that one tends to differ a lot.

[wind hamlet]

No aug in the group?

Cause aug damages are not calculated in details but are in WL

[halcyon lagoon]

lemme check

1 aug evoker in grp yes

[wind hamlet]

That's why then

[sour patrol]

Void Eagle from the Zul'Aman Ritual Site

[upbeat mauve]

Are there any discords or communities you guys would suggest for trying to find a consistent group to work up to keystone myth?

[rare solar]

No pressure or just the general recruitment one

[radiant falcon]

Guildie is asking me how is outlaw and sin compared to sub for damage i only play sub so I can't offer much insight to how the others perform compared to it

[shell hill]

Outlaw and sin are both much better prio damage in high keys, and thus generally preferred atm

[fringe umbra]

Outlaw and sin are both much better prio damage in high keys, and thus generally preferred atm

[shell hill]

But sub is great at just throwing burst out and then afking and still totally fine

It’s better on some raid fights too

But yeh

Outlaw cloud cover is going ballistic atm

[fringe umbra]

Turns out when you nerf a specs AOE by 25% after the m0 week it's no longer that good on aoe

Still good at sniping pad before it dies though

[crimson blade]

Guys, just got a Gaze in vault which makes me have Puzzle Box, Guidon and Gaze all myth track. The best dungeon to reroll would prob be Pit if im not killing Alleria anytime soon right?

I'm prob gonna swap between specs and i mostly miss Outlaw gear

[shell hill]

Sub aoe is only bad because it’s a haste spec now, it was so much better when it was mast/vers

[radiant falcon]

Just means I have to learn/gear for sin and outlaw too

Isn't the stst prio basically the same crit haste? At work atm or id look at archon or wowh

[shell hill]

Yes

[steel nova]

Hero of the dawn achievement bugged? Sad

[meager totem]

how would it be bugged

[shell hill]

Villain of the dawn….

[steel nova]

It literally doesn't work when you hit 276 in every slot :p

[meager totem]

it does

relog / kill your trade timer on last item

[steel nova]

No trade timers

But I'll try a relog

[steel nova]

Relog worked, thanks king

Thought it was bugged thanks to the wowhead macro printing out ilvl 42 for mainhand and 10 for offhand

[sullen igloo]

How important is Versa on Outlaw ? cause on Wow head its important but on Archon Vers is the Lowest stat

[crimson blade]

You need to hit a certain haste cap but i cant remember what its at. After that its mostly crit over vers

[sullen igloo]

I read 23%

[crimson blade]

but from what i can see on bis list and peoples gear it seems like some vers is good

[sullen igloo]

i Played mostly Sub but now for Pushing high keys i dont know if i swap to Assa or Outlaw

[crimson blade]

Sub is kinda behind because you need to build haste

and assa and outlaw has better prio and thats important in high keys

[mellow pilot]

700 haste breakpoint

[sullen igloo]

Yea but i dont know what swap is better cause stat wise they are so different

[fringe umbra]

Idk sub just does straightup less damage in higher keys, doesnt really have that much to do with the prio

[torpid harness]

I feel like they should give us some cleave or make us do more damage with normal evis or fix AA up a bit

Like if they want us to be only ST then we should be way ahead in ST not kinda decent

Or we need to have cleave so we can kind of compete on every fight

[crimson blade]

bump ❤️

[tough swallow]

!up

[ionic forum]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1488547832062415010/drop_fixed.png

[keen lily]

Can you make a macro that would shadowstep to a focus target if you have one but still step to your target if you dont have a focus?

[static epoch]

I mean you have to build even more haste on outlaw

so that's not really the factor

[crimson blade]

Yeah I just think my point is that when we went vers/mast, we scaled better with more targets. I know haste gives more globals but our finishers hit weaker no?

Maybe it’s a bad take😅

[novel cipher]

that's why you don't gut all your mastery for crit

sure, come next tier we'll be able to start stacking mastery again because we'll be at the point where we have enough crit with some to spare

[static epoch]

yer
outlaw will likely start branching out for vers too

since we're already sort-of haste capped and crit softcapped anyway

[green summit]

ugh, bad time to be getting this in vault

[novel cipher]

it's always a bad time to have that as the best thing in the vault

[static epoch]

and mastery sucks on 'law unless they change it in 12.1 (yeah right, after 15 years?)

[green summit]

I dont like cast time on things as a rogue

[static epoch]

really hoping for better M+ trinks in S2 yeah

[green summit]

Im just gonna take a voidcore I guess

[mental wave]

i bet this one will be bis s2

[terse torrent]

I bet youll be bis for season 2

[green summit]

https://tenor.com/view/now-kith-mike-tyson-gif-13249709

[halcyon lagoon]

is there any purpose for manaflux once you hit myth 4set ?

[grave root]

Changing stats

tmog

[halcyon lagoon]

like I can change base stats to something else on boots for example?

[grave root]

I think If u catalyze boots its crit mastery

[halcyon lagoon]

what about weapons?

can u transform them too?

[mellow pilot]

No

[azure hare]

how much overall does sham buff give each rogue spec on average in m+? asking so i can better gauge the value of sham when i invite a rogue in lfg

[mellow pilot]

Do a sim and select shaman buff

Do same sim without sham buff

Should give you an idea

[ruby linden]

I assume you're a shaman player then?

[azure hare]

im sure someone knows the average and i dont have to run 3 diff sims

6*

[mellow pilot]

Why 6?

[azure hare]

no im just a tank making grps in lfg

[ruby linden]

with and without

I wouldnt know the difference per-buff per-spec but I will just sim what the difference would be for myself

Personally a difference of about 5.6k dps

[still kayak]

are people progging on outlaw now? feels cringe even if it's simming higher. logs are telling me swap to outlaw but my gear and my heart are telling me stay sub/sin

[main peak]

it should be on the fuu sheet for buff gains per spec

is that command in here

!fuu

[ionic forum]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[static epoch]

would be nice yeh

[craggy ridge]

can you roll myth gear from a depleted 10+ ? or req timed

[twin flame]

where the fuck are my dinars man

7 M+ bonus rolls, 6 vorasius kills (only rogue), 5 mythic vault slots every week

no mythic weapon no heroic/mythic gaze

I have so much fucking cancer

[static epoch]

I said this would happen
this system is way more trash than dinars despite the avg extra loot

[whole tartan]

how did you get 7 bonus rolls?

[twin flame]

refunded 2 from last week + 1 from vault + 4 natty

[whole tartan]

oh lucky haha

[twin flame]

yeah man super fucking lucky

did you read the rest of it or

[whole tartan]

stick in there buddy

[craggy ridge]

are we able to upgrade ilvl this week? with the void thingy

[ember nest]

2 weeks more

[prisma talon]

Does anyone know if baseline feint works on silverstrike arrow in Crown of cosmos P1 ?

[prisma elbow]

yes, it works

inside of a log, under the damage taken tab, you can click the feint icon until it has a green border, thisll filter damage taken while you had feint active, then check the mitigation % on the right side

[unkempt relic]

Am I wasting my time pickpocketing in midnight? Silver is worthless and havent found a single lockbox, do they still exist? Ive been away for a while.

[steel nova]

What are the odds of getting the same 4 key sequence 2 times in a row? lol

pos nexus skyreach mc pos nexus skyreach mc mfker I want aa

[whole tartan]

you might be the first person to pickpocket this expansion

[unkempt relic]

I have a macro setup from 8 years ago that pickpockets when I sap 😂

[modest heath]

can someone give me a breakdown on how ilvl is decided on crafted gear? for my farstriders mercy i got it back 285, did the same process with best mats for the silvermoon utility belt and i got it back at 281

[meager totem]

your crafter basically scammed you

assuming it was a public order

[modest heath]

dope i figured that was the case but thought i might be missing something, can i fix this somehow or

funny too i gave out 3x the commission as my mercy, and i get this shit lmfaoo

[meager totem]

yeah you can recraft it for like 1/4 of the mats

dont remember the exact number

[modest heath]

do i need to add more crests?

[meager totem]

no no just the ah mats

[modest heath]

bet, ty sir

[meager totem]

its same process where you would change embelishemnt or secondary stats on it

but also works for the ilvl

[sick bough]

can i save my bonusroll for next id ?

[mellow pilot]

yes

[sick bough]

ok, so there is no cap ? i could have 6 rolls next id ?

[mellow pilot]

you need to buy them but yeah it seems you may have more than 2

[ember nest]

the limiting factor right now is mythic raid as that is the only content where you can only do 1 a week

but for m+ etc you can just send as many as you want

[mellow pilot]

!up

[ionic forum]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1488547832062415010/drop_fixed.png

[south spruce]

!fuu

[ionic forum]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[ornate nest]

Hmm, will the new single boss raid still end up to this m+ season?

[mild widget]

is shadow point calamitous still a leveling strat or did it get nerfed?

[ornate nest]

Or did I misunderstand something from random wowhead posts

its like 12.0.7 right

or was it aprils fools

[meager totem]

yeah its gonna be out sometimes in June probably

[ornate nest]

oke, hope it easy af and drops great trinkets hihi

[wise wagon]

Does anyone know where I can view the model of a RtB dice?

[native grove]

why are rogues so f nerfed?

[carmine mirage]

Because Blizzard forgot about us.

[sharp wasp]

never ask:

1. a woman her age
2. a man his salary
3. a dps how many kicks they have

[ruby linden]

[ruby linden]

#assassination message

[sharp wasp]

holy fucking based key lister

doing the lord almightys work

[ruby linden]

Saw a tweet about it this morning and they were listing a 16

That pic was what I saw so they were successful

[sharp wasp]

the amount of 3k+ lobotomites that are in the szn rn might genuinely need to be studied by accredited professionals at harvard

[noble kestrel]

My favourite bit is the first screenshot, did he stop to type at you and this killed him

Because I think those moments are really funny

[sharp wasp]

bro I was dying I included it in the screenshot for that reason x)

he for SURE died somewhere in between typing "stf" and "u"

[hearty fog]

holy shit

this is peak content

thank you

[noble kestrel]

I love it

Strong memories of someone stopping to flame a mage in Siege of Boralus on the gun corirdor. He had to do it. So he ran into it, stopped, typed a slur at a mage who was doing just fine, then died to the gunfire.

It's the funniest thing when it happens

[sharp wasp]

bro holy shit siege was the funniest, most toxic dungeon ever

the chain cc banana slip c-c-c-combos were the funniest shit ever

[noble kestrel]

Bring back banana slip cc's

just have it as a weekly affix

Xal has left strategically placed void bananas in the dungeon

don't slip over them!!

you can pull mobs over them and they'll slip over them

Has a comedy sound effect

And a laugh track

[sharp wasp]

blizzard if they were fun maximizing instead of profit maximizing

[halcyon lagoon]

can you actually get crucible to higher than 263?

[meager totem]

no

[halcyon lagoon]

do we know if once the voidforge is completed, how upgrading actually works?

[fringe umbra]

nop

[oak tartan]

If they need crests then we are in the worst timeline

[spare garnet]

quick question, subtely or outlaw in raid?

[mellow pilot]

Yes

I hope i was quick

[spare garnet]

https://tenor.com/view/yikes-scrungle-yikes-dog-gif-17761380438958084226

[fossil monolith]

How can I sim a different race in raidsbots?

[ember nest]

do you know how to make diff copies

[fossil monolith]

No, not really, is that complicated? Can I read into it somewhere?

[ember nest]

nah it is super easy

[mellow pilot]

It's a bit of work for a really small difference in the end

[ember nest]

just go to advanced copy your simc and at the end you can put copy= whatever name you want

then race= and the diff race

[fossil monolith]

Super! 👍🏻 thanks mate!

[ember nest]

if anyone also wants to check it fuu did a pin in #tc-research

for consumables

but same with race

[oak tartan]

Topgear has flasks now

[native cypress]

I am so sick trying to get into groups for m+ atm...And i can't decide which tank to play

[mellow pilot]

Any?

[onyx ferry]

What key level are you at?

Are you going up one per time if trying to push?

[native cypress]

yes, trying to get one up

Just thinking playing Tank could be faster...just cant decide which one

[onyx ferry]

What keys are you doing?

[native cypress]

+15

[onyx ferry]

Hmm, I am doing 15s right now - I’ve had some bad stretches but I’m getting into at least two keys per night

[gentle frigate]

Brewmaster

I mean it’s kinda obvious

Brew is just far and away better than the rest stm

[rich meadow]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/gain-more-power-in-patch-12-0-7-first-look-at-patch-12-0-7-content-381461

Can they like idk fix bugs and the current patch before dropping next patch stuff on us??

[steep dock]

that patch weeks away

or is the weapon&trinket upgrade patch?

who fucking knows

[rich meadow]

Idk this one has a new mythic raid

15-25 player flexible

[steep dock]

aye

[rich meadow]

And some new power system

Can’t tell if it’s armor or just open world power

[marsh wagon]

the new D4 crest system comes to wow?

[noble kestrel]

It'll probably be mid to late June.

Which I think puts it at about 7 - 8 weeks from 12.0.5

[obsidian cypress]

does anyone know if trickster 1hr tricks is bugged in raid or in general?

[long ice]

did you attack something during the 30sec initial buff?

[obsidian cypress]

that might be the thing then 😅 misunderstood how it works... will try that, thanks

[lucid rose]

it also drops on death

[obsidian cypress]

interesting...

[steep dock]

hope you have tankMD addon,easier

[novel cipher]

Nope lol they spent all their time making the new $75 housing decor bundle

https://tenor.com/view/pepew-twitch-nymn-gif-20756151

[light canyon]

Option a: new game or new games with $75; option b: a funny treehouse in your funny mmo game

[novel cipher]

Option c: big ol jar of weed

[rich meadow]

In game store profits over fixing game bugs…. PROFIT FIRST BABY

[gentle frigate]

I’m more just waiting for timeways to power level

Still have like 10 characters to go

[crisp crane]

question to the great vault: back in df it was that if you killed boss 1-3 in week one, and 1-2 in week two, you still could get loot from boss 3 in the vault (as you have killed it once, even though not in that specific week). anyone know if thats still the case?

[glossy flicker]

once you kill a boss, you permanently unlock all loot from that boss on that difficulty (and all prior bosses in the dungeon journal for that raid) for vault, even if you never kill it again

[crisp crane]

great, not at home for the rest of the week and dreamrift mythic is pain, even with ce-groups

[keen lily]

is mouseover focus target still a thing?

[marsh wagon]

I use one

[keen lily]

addon or macro?

[marsh wagon]

Macro

[keen lily]

send it?

[marsh wagon]

had to log in to copy what I had

/focus [@mouseover,exists,nodead,harm] []
/tm [@focus,harm] 2

[fluid shore]

anyone know how to see on logs which stat the recklessness pot gives? (in the case of literall 1:1 stats and some random procs changing it)

[halcyon lagoon]

question, is DBM supposed to show a private aura for the feather colors on beloren or is it something I have to enable myself?

[stable latch]

Once the 298 item comes out do we know if we can get all 3 immediately or do we have to wait a week between each?

[meager totem]

we dont know

[mortal panther]

is there a way to track when puddle is going to drop off of you on salad?

[hearty fog]

yes you look at your debuffs

[main peak]

ehen debuff expires it drops

[regal cargo]

guys do you think there will be class tuning this week

[stuck birch]

Hey if season max is 4 voidcores atm but i can get 5th with gv coin does that counts ?

[tight edge]

no

it doesnt count towards cap

[edgy nimbus]

hey guys, how do you sim dps pots in midnight?

[mellow pilot]

It's in the sim options

[edgy nimbus]

ty ty

i remember there was a command in midnight

or tww i mean

[mellow pilot]

Yeah you're correct, but for midnight they actually updated top gear and you can select what flasks and even potions to use on the sim

[forest sleet]

dapper Mafia with some brass knuckles

[quasi venture]

i like it

[steep dock]

Black suit would go harder

then diff color undershirt

[next axle]

server back up

[tough swallow]

why is the game so dark out of the sudden?

[sour patrol]

It's not, you just got older.
Things aren't as bright as they were when you were a child.

Oh, you mean the game

[tough swallow]

i see what you did there

[torpid harness]

[woeful geyser]

the lighting changes after you finish the post-raid story

[tough swallow]

it changed mid dungeon today

it wasn't this dark before

[mellow pilot]

That's just how the days are, they get darker until the sun sets

[steep dock]

Hope they add more rain cycles,cool atmosphere

[small basin]

So how does BM hunter, the lowest ranked spec in WCL currently, have so many people playing it?

[woeful geyser]

cus people like BM

always did

extemely easy to play, tame pets, ranged dps with no downsides, personal tank for solo stuff

[steep dock]

chill to play and watch stuff on 2 monitor while farming stuff

[woeful geyser]

BM Hunter and Ret Paladins will probably always be the 2 most played specs in the game

just how it is

[steep dock]

yee

[gentle frigate]

BM is fun af

Ranged melee spec

[modest heath]

im a newish player - kinda torn between all the specs and want to swap often, whats my best option for a MH on outlaw? is it troll to craft spellbreaker's blade with my crests? cant tell if its a waste and i should go for a dungeon drop https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-us/character/us/sargeras/tjwormy/

[balmy lark]

Hi everyone, it is to late to start the expansion/season ?

[marsh wagon]

not at all

plenty of catchup mechanics to get you up to speed even this early in the season

[grizzled fjord]

Nah man, you're behind the universally uniform pace of progression that every single WoW player has consistently been on since the expansion started

Better to just wait until The Last Titan tbh

[static epoch]

WoW 2 is right around the corner, gotta get going right into it

[fast plinth]

Heyy guys I am really really liking rogue. Don't think I have enjoyed a class this much ever. Have been trying outlaw, finally upgraded to an MMO mouse too just for the extra binds. Think it will help a lot I just have to learn to use

But I have been grinding outlaw, and it seems somewhat hard. Do you think I should start with Sub?

I have like only maybe 2 solid weeks of exp on the class

[fringe umbra]

Just play what you find the most fun

[marsh wagon]

but sub is the most fun 🙂

[tough swallow]

it seems fixable by starting a m+ key, still unsure what causes it

[noble kestrel]

Did you kill Lura during their big animation in seat

'cos that does stuff to the contrast

[tough swallow]

it happened in misara caverns

to the entire group

we did a 13 or 14 earlier, and the entire group had the issue after

[noble kestrel]

Weird

A mystery then

'cos I've had it and replicated it in seat

[tough swallow]

entering a normal dungeon seems to not fix it, so i probably need to do another key

2 of the group members did fix it this way

[modest parrot]

Hey do you guys know which addon can change the look of the tracked bars (dance + SB) other than betterCooldownManager? I don't like how that looks and the bcdm doesn't seem to work with Elvui

[tough swallow]

there is an addon, but i don't remember the name

[tough swallow]

i mean, this def. isn't normal

[noble kestrel]

Yeah, it's a bug

When some mechanic adjusts the enviroment but doesn't reset it properly like Lura in seat

[tough swallow]

i wonder which one does in caverns

interessting bug tho

[modest parrot]

looks kinda cool

[tough swallow]

found it, took me a while

https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/actionbarsenhanced

[warm marsh]

Probably the last phasing on last boss when u go to spirit realm. Did u insta zerg the boss before spirit realm phase was over or close to over? My guess is this :p

[modest parrot]

i'll check it out, thx

[tough swallow]

nope, it happened before that

[warm marsh]

Ah

[tough swallow]

on the way to the 2nd to last boss

the dungeon became very dark suddenly

i even threw in a inky potion to compare it

[warm marsh]

It happened to me after maisara on last boss tho

[tough swallow]

and inky was darker, but not super significant

[warm marsh]

Midnight is more graphic heavy, probably event heavy aswell. I believe i seen more people complaining about this also

[tough swallow]

it seems not intentional

[warm marsh]

I have to reload ui in silvermoon instantly or no cigar 🙃

[tough swallow]

as igestalt mentioned, it seems to happen on packs/bosses with screen effects

not always tho

[marsh wagon]

does't help that their dx12 is a steaming pile of dookie

i know a few people who have had to disable it and go back to dx11 otherwise their game just completely hitches while their graphics drivers crash and restart

[tough swallow]

think wow is okay-ish

the problems around dx12 is mostly gpu vendor dependent

e.g. older graphics cards are designed around dx11, so dx12 can produce worse results on them

driver updates try to fix or equalize this, however often also introduce instability, lags or buggy behaviour

that said, i am fairly certain there is a lot of room for improvements to be made

[fading onyx]

engineering: 3x outdoor rez items. curious red button, m3ddy, m3ddy, travel sized.
zero raid rez items.
blizz plz

[static epoch]

the button got nerfed to not rez in raid???

[tough swallow]

still works in raids, outside of combat

(works 50% of the time, so every time)

[fading onyx]

the one from last expansion requiringb khaz algar mats that is also BOP still works.

which is assinine

i think crystal vials should require khaz algar mats
lets make every profression have a consumable from prior expansions thats useful for this one

yeah lets leave rogues and engineering sticking to design standards from 2014 instead of 2026

why isnt vanish a 1 min CD? cloak a 1 min CD? why does feint still need energy with CD and charges? why is slice and dice not just removed and lower attack speed made into a passive? like so many just blatantly old design choices other classes arent subjected to.

kidney shot needs energy, CD, and CP. wild. should hunters intimidate cost half thier focus? should rets stun costs 2 holy light? these are things rogues only have to deal with it seems

[static epoch]

cloak WAS a 1 min CD in 2014

in general I've been taking a leisurely look at MoP
and like
they have legit only taken general utility and survival away from Rogue since then, haven't they?

cloak was 1 min, elusiveness was 30%, CD was a 90s CD, Smoke Bomb was a thing, Master Poisoner got taken away to give it to DH

like fuck

[fading onyx]

"masters of CC"
makes 50% mobs immune to stun, 100% of important mobs
makes vanish no longer reset bosses while mages and hunters can
makes cloak no longer full immunity, gives mages two charges to iceblock
gives hunters camouiflage full movement
gives every other class an aoe stop
nerfs all rogue CC with CDs

gives all skips truesight mobs to invalidate group stealth
gives evokers lust

laughs and keeps atrophic poison exactly the same for a decade
"where are all the rogues?!?!" - some suit at blizz probably

[terse torrent]

Rules for rogues, alone:

- Funnel removed, other specs/classes get way better ones
- Raid buff removed
- Cheat Death nerfed - other classes get way better ones
- Cloak nerfed - other classes get way better ones
- Shroud nerfed (invis detection/dungeon design) - other classes get way better ones
- Evasion pretty much useless nowadays unless group fails
- Feint Nerfed (still good and only thing keeping us in the game atm)
- Smoke bomb - other classes get better ones
- Blind AoE removed (now back)
- Phys dmg Amp removed - other classes get way better one, passively

[fading onyx]

and for this alone i hunt warmode leveling players to grief the fuck out of since theyve left me nothing else

https://tenor.com/view/hot-fuzz-shame-gif-26273082

all you had to do was ~~pay us enough to live ~~ buff us enough to pug

[gentle frigate]

I’m sorry I hate to butt in but wasn’t Atrophic poison a DF thing? Or was it SL.

Yeah it was added in DF. Hardly a decade.

What is this victim mentality here on this discord. Rogue isn’t that good this patch but there’s plenty of patches they have been good.

[fading onyx]

why is it victim mentality to complain about things taken from rogues when other classes that didnt use to have those tools were given better ones and then the ones from rogues were nerfed or outright taken away?

thats a legitimate concern, as is the ever dwindling rogue population. why do you think that is? could it be because of all these design decisions operating with a double standard thjat only applies to rogues?

but as a non rogue you probably wouldnt know without chat gpt to tell you that DF was less than 10 years ago so instead of arguing against a point, you can point out embellishment to make a point

[gentle frigate]

Ok let me pose a serious question, why does blizzard care what the population of a class is?

Rogues have been one of the most unpopular classes in the game since I started in wrath.

[fading onyx]

while games like Assassins Creed or other stealth games were peaking at an all time. weird

a game like wow where rogue fantasy, an otherwise popular fantasy in the west, is less popular than the extremely niche fantasy of monk, should raise some eyebrows

and its likely due to performance, tuning, design, or all of the above

[gentle frigate]

What does assassins creed or stealth games have anything to do with this? This is a wow discord.

Class popularity isn’t something Blizzard can control.

Feint was nerfed in BFA because infinitely spammable DR was utterly busted

[fading onyx]

lol it absolutely certainly is

buffs and nerfs swing population all the time. how is that take even remotely accurate

[fading onyx]

and yes thats fine, so why does it need an energy cost?

[gentle frigate]

They don’t swing it so wildly that rogue would be among the most popular classes. That has never happened.

[static epoch]

Monk was 3rd least played in TWW S3 M+, for instance
now it's 3rd most played

[static epoch]

it used to have normal numbers like 8-7% of the playerbase

[fading onyx]

we got big brain takes over here and intentional missing the point. flag on the field, -10 yard

[static epoch]

now it's down to like 2.5-3%

[gentle frigate]

This is from a year ago so I dunno

Do you have a graph showing where monk is the 3rd most popular class?

[static epoch]

all levels?

that graph was basically useless the moment it was made

[fading onyx]

its been continually going down. rogue is constantly complained about being terrible to level. its all tied together

[static epoch]

max level back then already had Rogue at 3.3%

but also

[static epoch]

here we have Monk at 9% total class pop in M+ right now

this is only below Pala/Druid

mage is like 6% total because only frost is played

Warlock totals do not add up to 9% either

[gentle frigate]

The point he made was about rogue popularity as a whole, not at max level or in specific content but rogue popularity as a whole,

M+ spec popularity fluctuates on a patch by patch basis and always has. Sadly rogue is down there this patch but they’ll come back up.

As for total class popularity rogue has always been near the bottom and isn’t really something blizzard should concern themselves over.

Now some points I agree with. Smoke bomb being pvp only for a while was baffling.

The nerf to group stealth is because of BFA where rogue dominated m+ for 2 straight years but to totally kill it going forward is odd.

You could remove the energy cost of feint but you’d have to increase the CD

[fading onyx]

rogues should be a dominating class. its a leather wearing melee pure.

[red socket]

I'm surprised Enhance is so low. I guess elemental is that good

[static epoch]

frankly low level does not exist as anything meaningful for like 10 years now

and there's a lot of interference in data if you do not measure by max level at this point

because like
why would you count a rogue who's level 90 and has last logged on in 2015?

[gentle frigate]

Again he made a point about class popularity AS A WHOLE. Not at max level or any specific discussion of content.

So all levels is relevant.

And frankly it’s also relevant because, I will concede, one of the biggest complaints about rogue is the leveling experience.

[fading onyx]

lol i didnt specify the class as a whole, im talking aobut the only damn metric that matters and thats max level.

and you not even addressing anything but instead zeroing in on DF being less than 10 yearsold, you had no interest entering this convo to argue in good faith.

[static epoch]

IMO currently the game does not have anything that resembles proper levelling as a part of the game (and honestly hasn't had it for maybe a decade, since BfA pre-patch for sure, maybe even since Legion proper)
it's legit 15 hours of extended tutorial that is meaningfless in terms of player engagement with one class or another

[gentle frigate]

Where here did you specify at max level?

You seem to be referring to popularity as a whole but I don’t see where you talked about “at max level”

[fading onyx]

where did i specify as a whole? i'd think bringing up tuning and performance, which are largely known as being irrelevant before max level, wouldve indicated it

[gentle frigate]

Why are you bringing up themes and stealth games then? What does that have to do with max level popularity or tuning?

[fading onyx]

uh

[gentle frigate]

Right i was referring to popularity as a whole. Same as you.

[fading onyx]

you steered the convo that way now tryin to say i did

[gentle frigate]

I took you to be speculating on the reasons for the classes unpopularity.

Could also be the levelling experience and the energy/combo point gameplay (an oft cited reason for rogue not being popular).

If we’re talking about at max level and even narrowing down further to popularity in M+. That’s an irrelevant discussion because it’s just a tuning issue that blizzard will make better at some point. These things come and go.

A discussion which I don’t think warrants the victim posting

[static epoch]

Normally I would agree, but actually, no.

[fading onyx]

riiiiight but youll see i started off with things that would help, like 1 min vanish, 1 min cloak, feint no energy.

[static epoch]

Rogue had great specs for endgame in, say, TWW S1 with Assa. That didn't help any.

DF S3 was very good for Rogues numbers-wise - and still they were what, 4%?

[terse torrent]

This is the current max lvl chart.
However, last i checked, rogue had about the same total number (all 3 specs combined) of myth logs as Augvoker alone

[static epoch]

The last time Rogue had popularity over 5% for either Raid or M+ was either early SL or late BfA, I think.

[static epoch]

I am almost persuaded that maybe a third of Rogue population just lives in PvP.

[terse torrent]

this is most likely true

[fading onyx]

wonder when theyll bork sub cause its pvp performance. probably just a matter of time

[terse torrent]

pvp skews the numbers a lot

[fading onyx]

and its wild cause like, rogue isnt even that great of a pvp class anymore outside of sub performing assassinates role 😄

[terse torrent]

I don't pvp, but I assume pvp is where we are most viable

[fading onyx]

cause like, if youre stealthing, youre leaving your team down 1
a 5v5 becomes a 4v5 while you sprint around stealthed to get an oopener and your healer gets focused

and then we need cloak and vanish to survive? laughable how easily both are broken

[gentle frigate]

Now these takes are really cooked

[fading onyx]

and both on 2 min cds - with low durations on their effects to boot

[terse torrent]

well, likely a lot of the druids are gather alts too, so there's that xD

[fading onyx]

this is a single take lol

[gentle frigate]

It’s been a long time since I played wow where rogue isn’t among the best melee classes in pvp

[static epoch]

ehhhhh
single target CC chains and info denial are still king in PvP, Rogue will never be bad there

[fading onyx]

"outside of subs performance" is doing all the heavy lifting

[static epoch]

unless they just delete some CC stuff, Rogue will always be valuable in PvP

[gentle frigate]

So outside of being the second best class in the game

[static epoch]

but PvP is like
super irrelevant

[gentle frigate]

It’s not doing great

Good take

[terse torrent]

I'd love for us to get a 4th tank spec and some raid utility back

[fading onyx]

pvp

"2nd best class at pet battles" has as much relevancy to me

[terse torrent]

Especially in midnight, we're quite meta for that

[static epoch]

anyway
Rogue is really not in a good spot design-wise atm, and frankly back in 2014 it had things be rather better in that regard

both relative to the game around them and overall (well, overall is tainted by MoP Rogues having to deal with CP on target, but WoD already dealt with that)

[fading onyx]

aside from doom posting. i am actually really enjoying rogue right now. there are some design decisions that are baffling to me, and I think tuning could at least fix things short term.

so i AM still enjoying rogue, specially sub.

just want it to be a modernized class, like paladin or druid or mage

[gentle frigate]

Why bring it up then

[static epoch]

I mean, yes, I am maining Rogue
(tho ngl I hate like 9/13 WoW classes thematically so...)

[fading onyx]

that was Improved

ive tried to enjoy other classes i just dont

[woeful geyser]

it was 100% not early SL

early SL was the worst state the class was ever in for a long time

[mellow pilot]

The game*

[static epoch]

hmmmm yeah
(still higher than right now what the fuck)

[mellow pilot]

Good old "good luck picking the bis covenant"

[static epoch]

here's BfA S3

[fading onyx]

did you pick skinning for midnight? grats youre a millionaire now

[mellow pilot]

I did and I'm not

What have I been missing

[fading onyx]

oof

majestic hides

[static epoch]

naw

was way easier to do that with mining/herbs ngl

[fading onyx]

yeah herb had it good

[static epoch]

hides were too random and scarce

like yes one hide could go for 20k

but you'd never get 50 hides in time...

[fading onyx]

ok 😛

[static epoch]

but anyway yeah
bfa was the last time Rogue pop was healthy

[upper veldt]

rogues are damn awesome

[terse torrent]

I love the archetype yep

waiting for a game to fulfil its fantasy

[fading onyx]

same, my fav fantasy

[surreal void]

was there no weekly warbound crest from the neighborhoods?

liked it for my alts

[static epoch]

yeah I didn't see it this week

[marsh wagon]

Ope. Somebody got virused

[novel cipher]

You hate to see it happen

[gentle frigate]

Blizzard the horse is fucking dead

[static epoch]

so tired of T2

rogue T2 isn't even the most iconic one

[gentle frigate]

Yes it is lmfao

[static epoch]

it was only really huge for pallies
for rogues t5 is way more iconic

[ember saffron]

you're crazy

[gentle frigate]

Bloodfang is still the best rogue set ever made

[static epoch]

not even in my top 5 ngl

[gentle frigate]

Even the non HD version is better than everything else

[ember saffron]

the first 3 rogue tiers are so iconic it's nuts

[gentle frigate]

Since when does wow have accessibility options for the legally blind?

[static epoch]

#wow-general message
here
I already did the post

[static epoch]

t1 is forgotten
t2 is well-remembered, but I don't think it's nearly as hyped-up as Judgement was for pallies for instance
t3 has been forgotten so quickly you can't seriously even claim it's iconic, so few people had it when it was real

[gentle frigate]

Lmfao

Nighthold set is like the second best one bro

Then tier 3

[ember saffron]

I can't even begin, but I'll say id never forget my baby nightslayer

[gentle frigate]

Tbh rogues don’t have a lot of good ones

[ember saffron]

But maybe I'm just old 👴

[static epoch]

idk
I really wish T4 or T5 got the T2 treatment
yes sure pallies will hate it because their T4/T5 are bad
but who cares, it's good for so many classes (that were in the game back then)

like T4 - huge for Hunter, Rogue, Lock, Warr
T5 - huge for Druid, Priest, Rogue, Sham, Lock

[ember saffron]

A hd deathmantle would go hard

[static epoch]

T6 sort of got an update through Tomb of Sargeras tiers

[hearty fog]

I've been rocking the t1 xmog since xmog first came out! Screw you!

#neverforgotten

[static epoch]

then again if they really wanted to screw Rogues in particular

they'd have nothing better than remastering ICC sets

(real chances of that in TLT by the way)

[static epoch]

I have two words for you.
Boob shoulders.

[worldly cape]

https://www.reddit.com/r/wow/s/uwYWYq592j 🫡 proud to be a rogue

[gentle frigate]

I do wish rogues had more good sets

[hearty fog]

and i'll wear them forever

[gentle frigate]

IMO

Warlock has the best transmogs

[static epoch]

lock has a lot of sets that go hard yeah

like t1 good, t2 good, t3 meh because of colors, t4 good, t5 epic, t6 epic, t7 actually fixes the colors of t3 so great, t8 epic, t9 meh on Ally/good on Horde, t10 not bad, t11 ehh, t12 ehh, t13 first actually bad one IMO

[formal fulcrum]

Slayers set is goat too

[static epoch]

but the fact that they were cooking almost every tier for vanilla/tbc/wrath is insane

then they came back for round 2 in WoD (MoP sets are just...kinda bad to maybe passable for most classes? IDK what happened there) with the T17 being probably one of the best sets for lock ever

and HD Corruptor's would go so damn hard, like that's THE warlock set (that or Malefic, they be fighting for that top-1 spot)

[onyx ferry]

They peaked with rogue in the early days

[surreal void]

www.icy-veins.com/wow/news/massive-12-0-5-class-tuning-pass-may-5th/

some big changes coming

outlaw +5% dmg, sub +7% and more

[static epoch]

ahaha

ahahahah

yeah right

it's more like Outlaw -10% damage

bc +5% aura is way too little to cover the nerfs to trickster specifically

-40% uptime on cloud, -8% damage while cloud's active, probably not gonna get +100% crit dam on builders either so probably another -2% for that
like legit Cloud Cover is going from +20% overall to maybe +5%

[sour patrol]

[gentle frigate]

It’s true

[sour patrol]

Wait, D4 or WoW?

[gentle frigate]

Wow

[sour patrol]

[keen lily]

if get all loot from a dungeon with rerolls, can i still use rerolls to get them again?

specifically to target daggers for the voidforge stuff

[restive sorrel]

I think it resets once u get everything

[marsh wagon]

But why? Wouldn't you just keep crafted with embellish in offhand?

[pearl sonnet]

Ive started assassination, rerolled to sub, and now i wanna rerolln to outlaw but crafting new gear would be 160 myth crest.

Would it be better to start a new char? Would suck cause my sub is 278ilvl atm

[hearty fog]

what new gear do you need to craft?

at most you craft an outlaw weapon and use dagger in OH

dont make a new char for 80 myth crests 8 weeks into the season

[pseudo idol]

is outlaw outperfroming sin?

[pearl sonnet]

Tbf ive already rerolled from arms > prot > assa > sub 😛

According to icy veins the crafted gear for outlaw is a ring and feet i think. I have wrist and dagger atm

[hearty fog]

crafted gear doesn't matter

you just wear the same with different stats

[pearl sonnet]

Oh so the ring gem enchant thing wont mean too much? Thats good to know

[hearty fog]

uhhh

which ring gem enchant

but probably not no

[pearl sonnet]

Some focusing iris on crafted gear that does dmg and scales with unique coloured gems u have on gear

[hearty fog]

isnt focusing iris old?

[pearl sonnet]

This one

[hearty fog]

oh

i mean you can just get rid of that embelishment

and its fine

[gentle frigate]

I’m gonna say it and I hope I don’t get banned

This might be the worst tier of all time tuning wise

[meager totem]

not even close

[gentle frigate]

The amount of balance changes they’ve had to do is ridiculous

Unholy has been buffed and nerfed like 4 times

[fringe umbra]

Well the fact that they are doing tuning at all means its not the worst tier

[gentle frigate]

Ok true

[compact harness]

Are all Rogue specs even After patch? I mean on archon I see diff and sub falling behind

[mellow pilot]

how can you see diff

if those arent live yet

UNLESS

they are live and im an idiot

[restive sorrel]

Not live yet no

5th

[frail bluff]

guys how do itrade gold with someone over a realm

like where do i search

for someone

[mellow pilot]

why would you do that

when warbank exists

just deposit there and pick it up on the other character

[frail bluff]

oh

HAH

cheers ty

[spare solstice]

After a long break, rogue finally got me back :>

[tight edge]

!up

[ionic forum]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1488547832062415010/drop_fixed.png

[inland verge]

can you not queue as mercernary anymore?

[keen lily]

!bugs

Wheres the list of bugs

[upper veldt]

In the spec channel

[upper veldt]

#subtlety message

[proven chasm]

hello! new to rogue, which spec to learn for m+? or should i go whatever

[weak nimbus]

Go whatever you like

[wind hamlet]

Outlaw is proc based, imho harder to begin with compared to sub or assa. Sub is kinda straight forward with some min maxing, good burst mild sustain. Assa is dot based with great priority damage

[keen lily]

Sub imo is easiest to learn

Its rotation is like 4 buttons

[proven chasm]

thanks all, ill try those 2 then

[keen lily]

is there an addon or macro or something that can use bp for me if im out of range of coup?

i have those 2 macro'd and would rather not use another button for BP if possible

[torpid harness]

Just run into the AoE and blame the healer

Ez fix

[rare solar]

put them in a cast sequence(not recommended)

[subtle steeple]

I used to have a weakaura to remind of rerolling my key at the end of an m+, is ther an addon that does the same thing ?

[spark bramble]

if i already have a myth neck from pit (from vault), i still can get a dupe myth from coin, correct? (havent used a coin in pit yet at all)

[keen lily]

why not recommended?

[meager totem]

yes

[thorny widget]

is calamtous shadowguard point still the best levelling method?

[fervent ibex]

Using the Follow the Arrow addon’s 80-90 guide is faster

[fervent ibex]

You can for pvp ye

[sleek reef]

can you shroud echoknights in algethar or do they have truesight?

[fringe umbra]

You can shroud them

[inland gale]

except all the times they just jump my ass anyways

[compact harness]

who will take the lead on patch?

assa > sub > outlaw?

[static epoch]

hmmm
might want to make a route around that, because they're legit the most annoying mob in there but you only ever have to fight three of them at the end

[trail matrix]

Which is the strongest spec for rogue overall (Raid & m+)

[mighty salmon]

The one that's in your heart.

[scenic stag]

stongest spec is reroll DK

[harsh yew]

After recent tuning probably sub for the 30th season in a row

[next axle]

outlaw is high apm constant damage only thing thats proc based as you say is pistol shot procs. It's still a cdr spec

[wind hamlet]

Hum ace proc too?

[next axle]

rng ace refund even then doesnt make outlaw a proc spec

restlessblades is its main core

[wind hamlet]

Ok 2 procs in main rotation but non proc spe got it !

Guess a proc start at 3+

[next axle]

kek you know nothing

stick to sin

[brisk vector]

wtf is even a cdr / proc spec

its just a spec that has both

[woeful geyser]

mfs make up terms and then get angry if otherss dont agree with them

like yeha, Outlaw has Procs, Outlaw has CDR

calling it a CDR/Proc based spec is.......what it is? why does that weirdo start with shity insults over it

[next axle]

If you can read properly without assuming. I denied outlaw being this "proc spec"
Where is the insult??
seems you're the the random "weirdo" throwing insults

[compact harness]

is there an addon for changing the font of the dmg numbers? i dont want elvui

[fervent ibex]

there's a few

fontmancer, nice damage, etc

[quasi venture]

outlaw fake rogue spec

[torpid harness]

TRUE

[craggy cedar]

guys someone know how can i make distance between combo point in ayije cdm like this ?

[compact harness]

huge thx

[wind hamlet]

Funny to start a sentence with "mfs" then saying people are insulting each other while we werent

[ashen gull]

hey quick question about crown: how does the vantus rune work for P1? do you get the vers on the adds or on alleria herself?

[fringe umbra]

All of them

Its for the entire encounter

[ashen gull]

tyty

[craggy cedar]

guys what is this bid icon like boss cast? i cant find when i can edit it

[keen lily]

Is there an addon or something that shows important casts on enemy frames with a countdown? I used to have a WA that did that

[fringe umbra]

Afaik no, not possible

[next axle]

Not sure if it's still working, Mini CC would show what cds enemies have used, enemy players but no countdown just that they have used it (dnt know about npcs)

[lost marsh]

Hey guys! Just got back into playing my Rogue but what spec is good right now? Im into Raids and M+ but the Data is suggesting different specs for each bit of content. Anyone able to help? I don't mind if I have to change spec for different content but i just want to know Stat Prio or can i play one spec?

[torpid harness]

Play what you want (Subtlety), the specs are basically all equal (Subtlety is more equal), and just have fun (Suffer and compete with the rest of obsessive compulsive Rogue players)

[lost marsh]

I don't know if that helps hahaha

[torpid harness]

Welcome to the Rogue discord

[idle cipher]

Can i sim different enchants on my weapons? I got a crafted dagger with Mastery enchant, and im wondering if it may perform better with rendorei. But i dont know how to sim

[torpid harness]

Well, the patch will change it back to it being equal but right now main stats seems to be a bit better

At least as far as I can tell

But I kinda prefer main stat now idk

I haven't actually simmed it lol

[idle cipher]

Oh so i actually need to tick the one i have too?

[fringe umbra]

Not really

[brazen relic]

is platynator better performence wise than plater?

[onyx ferry]

Yes

[alpine horizon]

with high haste/bl ect my cooldown manager seems to lag and have some insane delay, i have a good pc, is it a performance issue does anyone know?

[feral plaza]

Does anyone know if blind aoe works during lura interrupt mechanic?

[keen lily]

how does umbral champ work? Is it seperated based on horde and ally?

[spare steeple]

It does

[feral plaza]

@spare steeple thanks

[spare steeple]

At least in heroic. Haven't tried it in mythic

[timid terrace]

the mobs must receive an actual interrupt not any kind of other stop on mythic

[solar willow]

Does anyone have a profile for msuf UUF and CDM

[green robin]

https://www.darklegacycomics.com/comics/989.jpg we're famous

[lone estuary]

anyone have any idea what addon or setting these frames are? my player frame and my target

I wanna move them and or change the style

[rare solar]

... you made the sandwich man we dont know what addons you got installed

[lone estuary]

well ive turned them off and it remains that way

[static epoch]

legit tho

[turbid heron]

unhalted unit frames

[lone estuary]

@turbid heron thank you so much

[solar willow]

Which spec is it better to level as?

[wind hamlet]

Sub

[valid dune]

Do you face the door when setting your hearthstone or just face the innkeeper?

[novel cipher]

Door so I can be lazy and hit w while being bisexual and eating hot chip

[valid dune]

Don't forget lie

[oak tartan]

That matters?

[hasty sequoia]

exactly my thought

it matters???

[restive sorrel]

Ye it saves whatever way you were looking when you set your hearth

[hasty sequoia]

oh wow, ill try it when im home

TiL ig

[tough swallow]

[amber sparrow]

Based and real

[novel cipher]

Fun fact I found myself in a random questing /rare elite group with the real keydar the first week of df :))

[idle cipher]

is Beloren Mythic hard?

[vital geode]

Coming reset it's a joke

10 sec longer egg phase makes it free

[mellow pilot]

Does it apply to heroic too?

[ember nest]

only mythic had issues

hc you just do it with 1 or heals and full dps

and nuke it

now as M if you get to second egg it is quite sure you kill it

[gilded hornet]

when do u want to start adding augmentions and food to ur keys?

[mellow pilot]

Before you start it

[static epoch]

the nerf seems to apply to everything yeah
which means anyone should be able to 2-egg it on heroic

[fringe umbra]

Food is very cheap so you should always have it imo

Augments are expensive af so that's gonna depend on your economy

[mellow pilot]

I've been 2 egging it on hc yeah, people just make the fight hard after first egg

[static epoch]

real

we were reclearing it yesterday

I had 8 god pulls

wiped on all of them
then the moment the game decides to feed me ONLY TWOs

[sour patrol]

[idle cipher]

is 1egging myth possible with those 10se?

[ember nest]

unlikely until we get the weapon boost and more of the % weekly

rn unless you take 1 or 2 healrs off

you get to like 27% at most

[mellow pilot]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/gearing-up-as-a-solo-player-in-midnight-season-1-381391?utm_source=discord-webhook

[idle cipher]

ok ty, i was overall just wondering, if its worth to pug through or nah. I cleared only Dreamrift and 1/6 till now. But i may try beloren next id too

[steep sun]

with the changes coming tomorrow which rogue spec would be the best for M+ in trying to hit 3400io?

[mellow pilot]

One that has friends

Otherwise it doesn't matter

In pug world they barely know what rogues do

[tranquil badger]

ilvl 265 unholy dk, outdps'd everyone in my group who are 281+

is this normal?

[mellow pilot]

It's not impossible

[tranquil badger]

and theyre all very good raiders btw

talking about m+

[tranquil badger]

but how

[mellow pilot]

Some specs do better in m+ than others

It also depends on the pulls

[tranquil badger]

we were doing pit

so ,yeah huge pulls

but even on the single target bosses, he was not very far behind our top dps

[mellow pilot]

I haven't done m+ with udk but I've heard they are really good in aoe

[static epoch]

UDK is still uncapped for AoE IIRC

[onyx ferry]

Unholy is always broken

I’m going to play unholy after I get 3400

[sour patrol]

There isn't a portal room that takes you to the Bountiful Delves, is there?

[rare solar]

In TWW i had pppl not know that assa had funnel and thought that sub still had funnel

[next axle]

no but in delve headquarters u can talk to valeera and should list the bountiful delves for that day and mark them on your map.

[sour patrol]

Yeah, I want to just port to them

[light canyon]

Honestly they should've given a bountiful delve tp skill or toy after completing all 11s and/or the ?? Nemesis for the season

If we can have them for +10s m+ why can't we get them for delves

[sour patrol]

As long as we can get Valeera's gear as a set, I don't care about anything else Delve-related

Blizz better give us that before the end of the expac

[light canyon]

Monkey paw curls, it's only available for male undead characters

[sour patrol]

[fading lynx]

someone know if this is enough to get bonus roll/socket? or does it have to be 3 in a row?

[sour patrol]

I don't want to imagine male undead in a thong

[hearty fog]

Its enough

[fading lynx]

Ty

[static epoch]

any 3 slots is enough

[sour patrol]

I thought it was at least one row, or was that never the case?

[unreal gulch]

no

any 3 slots all the time

[sour patrol]

Trying to figure out something
My Paladin is still gearing up and I want Hero-track items; what's the lowest key I can run to roll for that at the end?

[rich meadow]

https://x.com/arch_wow/status/2051225132736135237?s=46&t=YKaisWqFkCTf8y-DfuEaHw

Arch (@Arch_WoW)

Cooked up a new way of pulling birds onto 2nd boss skyreach tech requires DH+Aug. I have not tested this yet in an active key but should still work. Pretty massive time save in most meta comps. See important notes below.

▶ Play video

X · May 4, 2026, 8:59 AM

People have way too much time on their hands. How tf do you figure something like this out?? 😂

[obsidian hedge]

The same kind of people that find glitches for speedrunning

[remote condor]

Im very new to the game, anyone got tips as a dwarf rogue that will save me time? Or anything thats super cool I could possibly miss out on? (First play through btw)

[tough swallow]

No need to be worried to be not optimal, enjoy your time leveling, can concern yourself with max level optimizations once you get there

[ember nest]

just in case you level as sub or assa remember to always equip 2 daggers