hmm
#wow-general
hearty fog
yeah
routing probably comes into account there
assi boss damage is a bit more dependant on tanks pulling mobs into boss
but that should happen on higher keys anyway
tiny forge
They prefer the term swashbuckler
vital bough
I remember at the start of the season i saw a visual with the damage profile of every spec in M+, with a score for AOE and prio, cant find it now
surreal agate
I'm like 50% sure I saw that one and it said that outlaw had prio damage, so it's probably not accurate
vital bough
Guess i missed that đ
floral summit
I know how it sounds, but can you please give me a quick tldr of sub vs muti in low/high keys and low/high target count
ruby totem
2 seasons ago, and you would not like this season since it was in s1 and they made it somehow from a easy key to actual hell and prob the worst key
ruby totem
Maybe he wants that Power inBusion
spare pulsar
2 seasons ago, and you would not like this season since it was in s1 and they m...
right, i'm sedated as hell rn
what did they change?
ruby totem
right, i'm sedated as hell rn
what did they change?
Couldn't even say offhand
Just know I liked it s1 and I would rather throw my key in the trash than run it now
ruby totem
It did take some pretty big nerfs
Just this last patch
Could probably do with a few more
sharp nest
As a returning on and off casual player I have a hard time deciding between Assa and Sub. I started in wotlk with assa, came back in legion with sub (heroic raids and mythic+10 or so is my ceiling), then came back for War within season 1 with sub and finally now coming back and trying to decide. With 2 little kids at home I can afford to play 5 hours per week, 10 at most, will be focusing on delves and maybe some mythic keys. I know the spec doesn't matter here but you could give me some pointers for gameplay fluidity and overall enjoyment of the specs
mellow pilot
Sub - nuclear bombs into noodle slaps into nuclear bombs
Assa - you get a bleed and you get a bleed and you get a bleed and everyone gets a bleed
sharp nest
I remember trying to time all cooldowns with sub gave me some headaches but I really liked the mobility with shadowstrike during open world stuff and dungeon pulls
I expect to have a similar problem with target switching with assa
hearty fog
assi has a really big problem with target switching
but sub also has a high skill floor with mananging cooldowns (you dont want to press off cooldown)
sharp nest
sub felt more fluid in legion to me than in ww season 1, but maybe because I had more time to play back then
hearty fog
assi is a lot simpler
to pick up
you just pick a target
and funnel into it
and never swap until it dies
sub is remembering how to do burst in shadow dance and also not pressing things off cooldown
sharp nest
i see, i'll experiment a little
hearty fog
end of the day
just play whats fun
do delves
then hop into m+ once you figure things out
sharp nest
yeah I plan to run the same delve with both specs a few times and it should be clear what feels better to manage while doing mechanics
hearty fog
attalad
just set bran to healer spec
and make sure to run over the health potions (stagger them)
and then yell at the screen because brann decided to pull some random elite
while youre in stealth
fuck brann
wicked night
what was his kingdom ?
french i think
sick sequoia
Anyone know the WA some of the top players use that tells them what to kick? Like uses all group CDs and AOE stops and makes it easy to callout
visual sigil
Omnicd for tracking aoe / kicks
And knowledge
You can also modify cast bar of mobs in platter
sick sequoia
Nah it's not that
It's literally telling them who's next in line to kick with what ability
wicked night
i have it
one second
this?
@sick sequoia just turn off the damn party notice, pugs will never pay attention to it and in group you just call it out.. ALSO youll realise how fucking dog shit people are with CC when you use this, enjoy
sick sequoia
Oh you're the fucking man!
Like right now I track interrupts and also AOE stuns as well as party CDs and can see people are dog shit
But sometimes when I watch stream I'm like yo that seems like it's telling them who's kicking what next that's OP
wicked night
problem is, if you dont all have it.. its useless
2nd problem is unless youre in a high group then people just dont know they have buttons
ive yet to see a priest use anything on this cc rotation
shamans totem just dont exist from what i can tell etc lol
fear of misery on a dh.. not bound
distant lagoon
hey quick question going hardmode tazavesh for the first time on rogue, can you remove the root effect on mail boss with cloak?
jade panther
is there a way to write a macro that uses a potion "A", or uses a potion "B" if A is not available
?
i mean in practice it would be to put in the same bind cookie and heal potion
use wl's cookie if available, else use heal potion
neon glen
they are both usable at the same time so you cannot make a choice with the same bind. Health pots won't fire if you are full hp but you cannot guarantee that just by eating a healthstone
woeful geyser
hey quick question going hardmode tazavesh for the first time on rogue, can you ...
you can pick a bomb up->throw it->use sprint to catch it
but tbh, the entire mechanic should just be done in a 100% calm way with no rush, you should kill the boss before it happens a 2nd time anyway
analog acorn
i also think ( didnt tested it) that you can shadowstep with the bomb to allies.
But not to sure
tall jungle
4 DPS it and don't touch a bomb
distant lagoon
you can pick a bomb up->throw it->use sprint to catch it
thx so i did đ found out the hard way cloak doesnt work^^
primal edge
i just dunno where to send it but maybe here
thats crazy(btw dont open the voice bc i just being shocked)
mellow pilot
Tell me what i'm seeing so i can be hyped for you too
noble kestrel
Huge and big damage, hell yeah
mellow pilot
Hell fucking Yeah
mild wasp
this spec is not normal HAHAHAHAH
wicked night
what ilvl/gear/stuff do we get with the 80 midnight boost?
mellow pilot
645?
inland gale
Youâre the goat
silk plume
Hello guys! I just started my journey as assa rogue and I have a lot of fun. I have big problems tho.
Is there a weakaura or an addon that counts how long has it passed since the last combat drop and spams it on chat cuz my goddamned tank is chain pulling so hard constantly and gives me 2-3 restealths in the entire 35 min long m+.
just to remind him how bad he is ya' know...
woeful geyser
Hello guys! I just started my journey as assa rogue and I have a lot of fun. I h...
mate
that shit doesnt matter really
and i can gurantee you that "i can get 2-3 restealths in a 35min long m+" is not a real thing
inland gale
I mean you have two vanish charges and thereâs a ton of rp this season
woeful geyser
and again, "2-3 stealths per dungeon" is just literally not a thing
99% of pug tanks dont play like that, its the opposite most of the time where they dont move their asses and you sit there waiting lol
and spamming chat about not getting a minor personal dps increase (that has negative impact on the entire groups dmg) is just obnoxious
silk plume
and i can gurantee you that "i can get 2-3 restealths in a 35min long m+" is not...
It was on eco dome where my dh tank did first 2 bosses in 2 pulls. and I got a restealth in the desert part after the pack where enchanters can click the thing. That was it.
shell hill
that's fairly normal yeah
silk plume
but some of those chains are jsut stupid
I mean he chained 1 dog from the 1st pull after 1st boss the the 2nd sentinel
shell hill
Thatâs what you sign up for with pugs, yes
Just gotta hold vanish charges for it
As you do the dungeons more often youâll get the experience
It ainât that bad
wicked night
Thatâs what you sign up for with pugs, yes
ive only ever had tanks ask me 'you good for next pull rogue' when I have been subtlety, when I am Sin its just... 'HAHA FUCK ROGUE'
jade panther
tank waiting here
like
"guys do the orbs"
u dont see it
he is on console WITH an orb
staying like this 20seconds
cant stop laughing
jovial citrus
any1 have ideas as to why my hands arent getting the glow effect from wearing these
mellow pilot
any1 have ideas as to why my hands arent getting the glow effect from wearing th...
They are probably too bulky
radiant falcon
Dumb question if I do dailys in karesh on an alt do I get rep on my main as well?
inland gale
there's a little thing at the bottom of each WQ that says one time warband bonus only
radiant falcon
I am blind dont mind me
manic wigeon
If I've killed plex and soul binder on mythic does that open up loomithar loot in vault?
meager totem
yes
uneven tide
Wierd question, does anybody have a WA for enrage vs HP on boss timer. So I can see if my guild have enough DMG for example loomithar. I've seen it be used for lite fractilus by gingi on stream
brittle ravine
what spec is meta for m+ now for rogue?
warm pagoda
Combat is a dead spec don't play that
modern stirrup
Hi is there anywhere that explains atrophic poison interactions in raids?
(Does it DR all damage or physical only?)
blazing prism
Itâs not physical only, but it doesnât work on everything
It works on most stuff for most bosses, but forgeweaver araz in particular has a ton of stuff itâs useless against
thin ferry
if i killed plexus and soulbinder in mythic with a pug i can't join another pug for loom?
noble kestrel
No, because Mythic is an instance lockout and not personal. You're locked to that instance ID for the reset.
thin ferry
that sucks. so as someone who only pugs the only way to get progress is finding a pug that want's to do more bosses
damn
noble kestrel
Yep
But it's unlikely most pugs will be able to kill Loom without building the group specifically for it
You also won't backfill so it's one shot and if someone quits it's typically gg
edgy nimbus
dose anyone know anyone on the pally discord
fallen gyro
that sucks. so as someone who only pugs the only way to get progress is finding ...
Yes, or you can extend your lockout each week and invite people to loom and further etc if your only goal is prog and not vaults etc
shell sinew
hey all! looking for mentor/etc, someone knowledgable in looking over logs etc to help improve. currently running an average score of 71.9% on heroic via wowlogs. DM me! Thanks! (ASSASSINATION MAIN)
valid dune
hey all! looking for mentor/etc, someone knowledgable in looking over logs etc t...
If you go into the sin channel and enter !log it should start a thread and people can help you there
shell sinew
If you go into the sin channel and enter !log it should start a thread and peopl...
ok cool didnt know. thank you!
wanton heart
is anyone else able to get the tricks WA macro working? mine just does nothing
astral lion
how you guys doing ?? kyveza? what's the tip for nailing down facing all her clones quickly
manic sedge
how you guys doing ?? kyveza? what's the tip for nailing down facing all her clo...
Backpedal when turning. Makes sure your char is actually facing the arrow
Also the further away you are from the shadows, the more likely you are to look at them in an angle that wonât kill you
The order they spawn in is also the order theyâll attack you, so you donât actually have to react
faint bough
is anyone else able to get the tricks WA macro working? mine just does nothing
Never had an issue with it
crimson elk
how are rogues doing this seasoon in manaforge omega raid?
mellow pilot
good
steep dock
not outlaw
fringe umbra
Good on the later bosses, terrible on the first few generally
crimson elk
Good on the later bosses, terrible on the first few generally
im struggling to keep up with dks / wars / mages and locks on plexus sentinel mythic.
anyone have tips?
playing sub rogue
crimson elk
i dont think your problem is with them
should i swap to assas for first few bosses though?
im like backstabbing while waiting for cooldowns feels rough
modern patrol
What do you feel more comfortable playing
crimson elk
only first 30s im top DPS, after that it falls off a cliff waiting for dance and blades again
i can play both really
modern patrol
I swapped to Sub for Araz and did poorly, I'd play whatever you felt better on
mellow pilot
only first 30s im top DPS, after that it falls off a cliff waiting for dance and...
to be fair thats sub
sub does dmg during cds
and prepares for burst windows outside of cds
modern patrol
I think Assa stays a bit low until execute
crimson elk
sub does dmg during cds
thats what im doing, plexus has so much movement though. and im soaking / dropping orbs. using feint to help the healers
then its just energy starvation mode the rest of the time
woeful geyser
And u get a DM and another KB in
but then the killtimer is still so fucked that you cant really benefit from that because suddenly 3 people decided to kiss the wall
noble kestrel
but then the killtimer is still so fucked that you cant really benefit from that...
I wonder what it tastes like though
static epoch
like another betrayal by shadowstep
noble kestrel
true
tough swallow
shadowstep killed me too many times this tier
neon glen
those elementals at the end of the platform on the way to araz 
woeful geyser
shadowstep killed me too many times this tier
"hey, lets use vanish->sstrike on dimensius p3"
tough swallow
our tank
ran through melee
knocked 2 of the melees
into the boss
the fight is such a great fight nothing can go wrong
woeful geyser
ran through melee
tough swallow
haha yes
granite sandal
yoyo, returning player since season 1. How are all the three specs? are they all around the same level in m+ / raiding?
mellow pilot
Yes
ember saffron
twilit forum
glossy flicker
fringe umbra
Sub can stack a completely insane amount of stuff up when theres no timer involved for absurd burst
inland plank
zac did about 30 million dps in solo boss with preparation, and boss died like in a minute
fringe umbra
30 seems excessive for a pure ST fight, there was probably some adds or dummies involved.
But ye 20-25 definitely posible
inland plank
30 was a max number, then it fell off to around 20 
manic solar
What spec would you recommend for someone new to the class?
And has the least keybinds lol
hearty fog
arcane mage
manic solar
I have an arcane mage, but I want to try rouge
hearty fog
sub rogue has a similar feel i guess
assi is pretty straight forward
get bleeds up
and funnel
manic solar
ok ty
spare pulsar
I have an arcane mage, but I want to try rouge
assa is like arcane
kingsbane is your main thing
like touch of magi
just longer cd and bigger dam
or idk how to say it
REAL FUN in low keys
mellow pilot
Kingsbane? Low keys?
Hopefully those two aren't related
Kingsbane is a thing for raid
It isn't being used in m+
glad ruin
do we have a list of abilities affected by shroud? like BM's barbed shots not reducing BW cd and another ability from hero talent tree?
or shroud breaks BM only?
fringe umbra
Literally only BM yes
static epoch
wait what
Shroud breaks something?
rich meadow
Blizz intro videos for midnight should be âgo play TBC classic for the storyâ đ
wise scroll
hey guys, on my alt i dont have the option to skip to get the reshii wraps and when i try to get it vendor doesnt work
woeful geyser
Blizz intro videos for midnight should be âgo play TBC classic for the storyâ đ
you act as if TBC had a story lmao
rich meadow
you act as if TBC had a story lmao
Tbf itâs been 20 years need a refresher đ
woeful geyser
"hey guys, you remember Illidan and Kaelthas from WC3 right???? you can fight them now!!!!!!!"
thats the tbc story
static epoch
well, not exactly
but that's what half the zones eventually boiled down to
the other half was the initial setup to light/void duality with Naaru
spare pulsar
thats the tbc story
i miss belves being hooked up on fel
made them edgier
more fitting for the horde
spare pulsar
It isn't being used in m+
huh? not even in high keys?
mellow pilot
It shouldn't, bleed all the way
spare pulsar
damn my info was outdated then
mellow pilot
It's a S3 thing yes
Top m+ rogues were doing the switch from bleed during S2 because they needed more st
woeful geyser
(and KB didnt even play a part in needing more st)
mellow pilot
This season we have really really good funnel
So asking the tanks to bring adds into the bosses it's a W situation
mellow pilot
My last priory 10 we had the tank pulls the 2 packs into the boss, ez 20M DPS overall from every DPS on pull
mellow pilot
stuck in hospital for months
Just leave man
fringe crow
bro imagine i couldn't chose between 5 clases wrote down the classes on a piece of paper and made my wife draw she drew rogue then my kid drew and he drew rogue and then i drew and drew rogue if thats not fate idk waht is
no gotta decide on the spec
glad harness
Clearly youre an outlaw player
umbral cosmos
Can someone explain to me why we use symbols of death first if it gives 40 points shouldnât we use it last
warm pagoda
Can someone explain to me why we use symbols of death first if it gives 40 point...
40 points? As in energy?
umbral cosmos
Yeah
warm pagoda
The main benefit of it is a) it means you do more damage, and b) it supercharges combo points making you do even more damage
umbral cosmos
Wouldnât it make sense to use all your major casts the.n use it cause of the 40 points
Oh okay
warm pagoda
Nah because it buffs your major casts by 16% and it gives you supercharged points.
whole rampart
I am wondering which spec is best for hardmode tzavesh? Is it still assa with pure ST build?
faint bough
I am wondering which spec is best for hardmode tzavesh? Is it still assa with pu...
sub prolly with stacking up for netherprism nukes
slate tree
I've always learnt outlaw when playing rogue, which of the three specs would you guys recommend for this season? Mainly m+
mellow pilot
you can continue with outlaw
slate tree
Do they all perform about the same?
meager totem
all 3 have timed atleast 19s
but theyre not equal in all dungeons and depending on your setup
wicked night
mage, dk or hunter as my 'main' alt?
slate tree
could play warrior too, as its now strong
all specs?
fringe crow
which spec has the least amount of dot gameplay woudl u guys say
sour patrol
which spec has the least amount of dot gameplay woudl u guys say
Out of the 3 Rogues? Probably Outlaw
sour patrol
fringe crow
What's like the most fast paced
mellow pilot
outlaw
ionic forumBOT
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
granite sandal
which one is the easiest to learn? specs
fast mist
Hey, what's a good addon to show what spells I'm using for friends watching on discord?
tough swallow
it is interessting that sub and assa have roughly the same amount of rupture casts
tough swallow
which one is the easiest to learn? specs
assassiantion probably
slate tree
i think outlaw is super simple 
tough swallow
Hey, what's a good addon to show what spells I'm using for friends watching on d...
details has a timeline, you can else use trufigcd
there are weakauras for it too
tough swallow
i think outlaw is super simple <:peeposhrug:657382266921812009>
possible, i can't judge as i don't play it much
isn't outlaw's problem rerolling
slate tree
you get an addon for the roll
tough swallow
you can download a weakaura iirc to solve it tho
lavish patrol
Never played rogue before. Interested in rolling an alt. I play a lot of more simple classes like ele sham,f dk, and fury war. Is assass rogue still the recomended spec for newbies? Outlaw looked fun but everywhere I read says it be can quite difficult
empty burrow
Outlaw can be pretty unforgiving. But the core idea is very simple.
woeful geyser
Outlaw can be pretty unforgiving. But the core idea is very simple.
funny, cus thats how i personally would describe sub
empty burrow
Subs unforgiving is u mess up cds u do shit dmg. Outlaw unforgiving is ur make small misstakes a lot u feel like u dont have resrouces and can't play the game.
rare solar
Yeah sub just does bad dmg until next cds, on outlaw it feels like you gotta put your head in your hands cause pressing buttons dont do much anyways
lavish patrol
So assass is the way to go if new to the spec?
woeful geyser
i mean, play what you think is interesting
assa is just the spec that will probably be the easiest to understand for most people right now
lavish patrol
assa is just the spec that will probably be the easiest to understand for most p...
got it. thank you!
rare solar
Also just hop on a dummy and try em out for a bit, one will most likely feel a bit better than the others
obsidian ginkgo
assa is just the spec that will probably be the easiest to understand for most p...
I was told that so many times. It didn't help.
Sub is more fun to me
sour patrol
Is there another Cata charge tomorrow?
sour patrol
I have a bunch on my Rogue but none on my Lock, I have no clue when I used them all 
proud merlin
are there any guides around on enchanting gear? don't really know much I started on TWW
like on how to get my shit enchanted and the stats I want, not how to level profession and stuff
ionic forumBOT
Rogue Guides:
WoWhead: https://www.wowhead.com/classes#rogue
Icy Veins: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/class-guides
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides
mellow pilot
they all have a consumable section
proud merlin
ahh k, did not realize that was on the guide, will check thanks
mellow pilot
;p
minor zephyr
hello, i have a noob question about mastery %, does rogue have a cap over 100% when using CDs? because i'm actually at 94% base from stuff and i wondered if i lose some mastery by getting over the 100% cap after i use whistle tea for exemple
novel cipher
it just keeps going up
minor zephyr
so i can in fact reach 100% mastery and don't lose all the bonuses
novel cipher
you don't get 0 benefit past 100%. correct
eventually there is a diminishing return where you don't get much per point of mastery but the sim bot keeps that in mind and you're unlikely to hit that number anyway
minor zephyr
but if i use lyly trinket + whistle tea + Flagellation and i'm at base 94%, i'll be way over the 100%, all of that will give nothing in damages addition?
novel cipher
oh, if it says like 170+% on your character screen that's accurate
you get all of that
minor zephyr
okay, i checked with whistle tea and flagellation, on the char screen it's 120%
i understand
ty for your explanations
novel cipher
yeah. it doesn't stop at 100%
<-- with 30 stacks of flag | with 0 stacks of flag -->
minor zephyr
nice
so now i understand more, guides don't explain that thing
maybe i'm too noob to know that xD
mellow pilot
It's also something you don't need to worry about
Because you need to check the context
What's sub mastery? % increase on your finishers?
minor zephyr
yeah
mellow pilot
Then just think that your finishers in some cases are doing like 170% of their normal damage
Depending on mastery
minor zephyr
yeah, with that in mind i can be more precise with my big finishers
- i saw what passives shows when i boost my mastery so i can track them
mellow pilot
In theory you also don't think about it, you just need to think that if you have flag + Shadowblades + active trinket + potion (your big CDs) you will be doing a LOT of dmg
As sub you only do big DMG every 1.5(?) mins on your big CDs and moderate damage on your solo dances ( @tough swallow correct me if I'm wrong)
novel cipher
You do backstab soup in-between dances, but big damage while dancing and your biggest damage during the cooldown windows every 90 seconds
tough swallow
subtlety (and assassiantion in single target) has burst windows every 90 sec
the main damage is during them, you essentially hyper optimize for it
minor zephyr
yeah big damages with secret technique
and setup with shadow dance, flag, whistle tea deathmark ect..
still, it's difficult in single target, i can't maintain more than 2M (sometime less) in m+8 i know it's a rotation problem, but trying to understand how things work is a bit overwhelming, but i like too much rogue
for example, i think that i use too much energy in non burst phases, then when it comes to burst, i often don't have whistle tea up because of the automatic use
minor zephyr
% of players?
wise yew
max lvl players
minor zephyr
raiderio have a similar stat, i assume it should be accurate on raiderio
mellow pilot
Probably right yes
wise yew
to see someday rogues are behind evokers
mellow pilot
for example, i think that i use too much energy in non burst phases, then when i...
That's most likely a rotational problem, try checking wowhead or the #subtlety-faq
mellow pilot
to see someday rogues are behind evokers
Wouldn't change a thing for me, so it's whatever
minor zephyr
That's most likely a rotational problem, try checking wowhead or the <#856897746...
i'm binge reading the wowhead guide since 3 days, and just noticed that fuu wrote it xD
mellow pilot
Yeah fuu's the homie
minor zephyr
the goat
wise yew
i found that the fraction% of worldwide are quite different from CN
CN is more like a private server
let me grab a picture
minor zephyr
CN is totally different, they don't have vault, they choose their loot by earning points ect
so some class outperform way faster in early season
wise yew
minor zephyr
yeah, in china it's considered like a lootbox since u pay every month to play
and the game isn't 18+ so teens can be in the game
then no lootbox, no money game
iirc, they have the same system we got for undermine, with the pnj trading coins to have raid loot, but they gain "coins" each week
then they can buy
mellow pilot
Idk if that's good or bad honestly
minor zephyr
idk, anti gambling law is somehow not a good thing for the vault, since it's just one item per week and not a reliable way to stuff yourself, it's cool, but certainly not something ppl abuse
i can understand with lootboes from overwatch, but vault is wild
fringe crow
Outlaw vs sub can't decide how does the playstyle compare would u gents say
minor zephyr
Outlaw vs sub can't decide how does the playstyle compare would u gents say
i can't even decide what i'm going to do today to be honest
fringe crow
Outlaw vs sub can't decide how does the playstyle compare would u gents say
For m+ that is
inland gale
For m+ that is
Sub is big burst in cds healer damage outside of them cds have a set sequence. Outlaw is fast and reactive but no burst just go go go all the time.
fringe crow
Sub is big burst in cds healer damage outside of them cds have a set sequence. O...
do i have to hold the group so i can restealth in outlaw or its not a thing
i once played with a rogue had to childl in between each pull
inland gale
I donât know as I havenât played outlaw in like 5 seasons
neon glen
you don't need restealths as outlaw
fringe crow
I donât know as I havenât played outlaw in like 5 seasons
wasnt asssa suppose to be op accordign to kira at least
tough swallow
assassiantion was nerfed and has some dps bugs
but for raid, subtlety just makes a bit more sense on the last 2 fights
i made a comparison earlier today for subtlety to see what fights its good on based on wcl
and its mostly the 2 last fights
for mythic+, both sub and sin still compete and are played
tho bottom line its better to play what you feel more comfortable on, all 3 perform well enough to be played
fringe crow
Never played rogue outlaw sounds fun but ppl say it's incredibly unforgiving
Can't find any vid guides either
tough swallow
the only spec thats more forgiving is assassiantion
if you manage your cooldowns wrong on subtlety
you also do no damage
which is fairly common from what i see in logs people ask me to look at
glad harness
Why wouldnt it be
fringe crow
Why wouldnt it be
it says predicted to be in many sentences i assumed it was written on the ptr
bitter siren
For EU is current manaforge vandals renown 6?
noble kestrel
Yep
bitter siren
Started doubting because i gained rep towards 7?
noble kestrel
hearty fog
wtf hackerman
noble kestrel
A mystery. You've somehow lucked into a bonus 250 rep!
hearty fog
maybe its some scuffed DMF thing
noble kestrel
Wouldn't be surprised if it was, actually. That would math
ember nest
likely he missed some because of the bugs it had and blizz put the extra in
hard current
got my first portal on outlaw đ
warm pagoda
Congrats!
spare pulsar
got my first portal on outlaw đ
how are your hands
tough swallow
got my first portal on outlaw đ
congrats!
hard current
how are your hands
they hurt slightly
hard current
i exercise my wrists and grip strength before playing
woeful geyser
i exercise my wrists and grip strength before playing
đ
wise eagle
Off topic of rogue, but why is that for example frost dk has a very very low priority of versatility and also top dk players have very low amount of vers yet for one of my friends versatility sims very high?
He says sim is wrong
could that be posibble?
rare solar
No one knows whats correct
If sim says vers go vers
If you know you can trust the sims
woeful geyser
if you stack other stats like crazy and ignore one, ofc the ignored stat will start to be more value
edgy nimbus
i hecking love shields
outer folio
yo dumb question
is the move hero interloper or myth track other boots
sim says i have biggest dps gain with myth helmet and keeping myth boots by like 1.6%
should i be running a diff type of sim
jade axle
i hecking love shields
hard dome
is there an objectively best rogue spec atm? i play assa and sub, never played outlaw tho and swapping rn would be a pain x)
hard dome
like ive tried both in 14s and shit but like sub always seems to do a lot more dps than assa, not entirely sure why, even tho im much better at assa than sub still
hard dome
hmmm alright
stable latch
Ngl assa should be higher in overall atm
But sub has much much better pure st
But if your tank is pulling good for assa it is very very strong atm
Sub doesnât care about route nearly as much as assa
tough swallow
how the tank pulls plays a big role in your overall output and can decide how many times you can proc the first dance
so subtlety cares about route too, but it can easier adjust
the one spec that does not rly care is probably outlaw
stable latch
Yeah i think it is true for any spec that route + tank skill is one of the biggest factors in your overall
stable latch
the one spec that does not rly care is probably outlaw
Yeah but even here u could think up stuff like doing huge 20+ mob pulls into non cd pulls of idk 4-5 mobs which would be bad for outlaw
But even here outlaw would probably not be dealing much less dmg true
tough swallow
outlaw is better if you pull smaller groups
but in terms of cooldown design, group size matters the least
ofc all 3 benefit from restealths
stable latch
outlaw is better if you pull smaller groups
Relative to the rest of the group yeah
tough swallow
with subtlety being the only one which has extra dependencies to that
(because tfd requires a 6 sec timer on top of the restealth condition)
tough swallow
the timer just means we think of it diffrently
inherently if you look at rogue, one of the big topics always discussed is how bad it feels to not be able to restealth
depending on who you ask they will tell you how unplayable a spec is without it
i saw this quite a bit especially in the #assassination population
yet, relatively seen. TfD has a high impact on your output too
but the conditional makes it more of a "nice to have" instead of a "unplayable if you don't get it"
so it changes the framing of things, even tho its just looking at it objectively a way worse implementation
stable latch
True
rotund patrol
i hecking love shields
show the damage meter of prot pala
they've annihilated prot pala damage
rotund patrol
whole rampart
manic sedge
show the damage meter of prot pala
they've annihilated prot pala damage <:dract...
Whoa nomad
Havenât seen that pic since 2013
Best game ever btw
fringe crow
bruh when is clas tuning coming
sharp nest
I'm curious about the Rogue rework in midnight. Might be substantial if they felt the need to specify it in the expansion reveal
woeful geyser
what rogue rework
like, good chance that rogue gets something, but there was never a single word said
neon glen
we only know outlaw is being looked at
fringe crow
What type of tuning you need?
wondering if they gon fix some bugs or nerf smth
glad harness
Bug fixes is not the same as tuning 
sharp nest
Class and Talent Changes: The Rogue class is getting reworked
From the icy veins midnight hub
mellow pilot
What does icy veins know that we don't
neon glen
glad harness
Id wager they know a great deal that we dont 
meager totem
koffing has alpha dont believe his lies
glad harness
woeful geyser
koffing has alpha dont believe his lies
spreading is evil feral cat propaganda again
neon glen
koffing = 
glad harness
Ion told me they are reintroducing the spit emote, but it only works towards goblins
upbeat dew
mass blind is not working on nameplates with big debuff ?
faint bough
Ion told me they are reintroducing the spit emote, but it only works towards gob...
as soon as they release goblin druids and dhs, ill be able to play all my toons as goblin
novel cipher
mass blind is not working on nameplates with big debuff ?
are you talking about the xalatath orbs? they have a weird interaction with aoe blind. you have to blind a mob that's near them and can't blind an individual orb
upbeat dew
no just talking about buffs showing up or not on nameplates :p
you have addons to show in big icons near nameplates all hard CC, helps a lot in m+ for CC rotation
but my mass blind is only showing on main target, not on other blinded targets
upbeat dew
are you talking about the xalatath orbs? they have a weird interaction with aoe ...
Now I want to know which orbs you are talking about ^^
noble kestrel
novel cipher
oh I just mean these https://www.wowhead.com/affix=148/xalataths-bargain-ascendant @upbeat dew
edgy nimbus
worst vault on my prot pal:
edgy nimbus
show the damage meter of prot pala
they've annihilated prot pala damage <:dract...
its really awful
mellow pilot
Recently i've seen reddit posts/comments about how when opening the tmog vendor the game kinda crashes for a few seconds. Anyone dealt with this?
tough swallow
haven't had issues, but the game has a lot of memory and performance problems this season in general
faint bough
torn between wanting to do remix and looking forward to a long break from wow before midnight 
noble kestrel
Lemix
tough swallow
is it pronounced "Lemix" in one word
or french Le'mix
median yarrow
Hey, anyone got a shadowstep @ player macro u can share?
shadow cosmos
Hey guys, prospective rogue and enjoyer from a distance, if there was a rogue spec that has good agency (in realistic terms) in M+ & Raid which of the 3 specs would be the best to jump in as a novice?
mellow pilot
assassination probably, altough all 3 specs are hardish in m+
raidwise assa is the easiest
shadow cosmos
assassination probably, altough all 3 specs are hardish in m+
The "hardish" part is that mainly around the CD usage portion or like tanks chain pulling with a rogue needing stealth etc?
mellow pilot
Rogue doesnt REALLY need stealth if the tank plays well
we also have 2 vanish charges if needed
I can't really talk about sub or outlaw, but while playing assa, there's a bunch you need to do when you're doing AoE
rotund patrol
Best game ever btw
yep
faint bough
The "hardish" part is that mainly around the CD usage portion or like tanks chai...
Outlaw is high apm and needs high uptime and is very punishing for mistakes
Sub relies on doing it's cd windows perfectly everytime and dungeon/pull knowledge goes a long way
shadow cosmos
Outlaw is high apm and needs high uptime and is very punishing for mistakes
Sub...
Awesome thank you! I was thinking of focusing Sin first and then Sub being the secondary spec to learn.
edgy nimbus
steady progress pog
static epoch
played a key on arms warr
bros wtf
was just mindlessly smashing glowy keys with 695 gear, absolute garbage trinkets too
still decent overall and felt like I was unbound from the world or something
switching targets because I want to
just bursting adds because why not
what the fuck
I'm sure if I set up some WAs and spend a week practising and get actually decent trinks I'll be hitting about as well as I do on my 713 assa
except like
with no limitations
quiet apex
you dont like the unique playstyle of having your entire heroic tree tied to a debuff on a specific target?
static epoch
not only that
like it feels as though actually everything Assa does
is working around limitations put onto it
DSM, having to stealth for IC or manually tab-Rupture things, having to keep up Rupture on multiple targets for Scent and for energy, having to spend CP just to stun a single target, having to Muti a target with Rupture in AoE to apply cleave
legit the only thing that's superb is defensives, Warr's defensives suck in comparison
quiet apex
Yea, each rogue spec feels like it has a unique factor to it, but the dev never asks if it makes it fun to play
hard current
S2 arms colossus warr fried my dopamine receptors to hell with how fun it was
static epoch
Yea, each rogue spec feels like it has a unique factor to it, but the dev never ...
kinda feels like it right now, yeah
lots of things that set Assa apart from any other spec I've played
but a lot of it is just the design going "ok you gotta jump through several hoops to actually get there"
and the end result is, uh, decent damage I guess
like it's not bad by any means
but I've seen BM hunters pump way more by pressing four buttons and remembering to breathe once in a while - while also bringing BL and more CC
figure I'm starting to give into the doomium about the state of Rogue atm
quiet apex
maybe there will be some reworks in midnight (lol)
would llove to see a day where sin's CDs and heroic tree is tied to a personal buff like every other spec
static epoch
maybe there will be some reworks in midnight (lol)
yeah it's late enough in the expac that I'm not really considering rerolling or anything until I see Midnight changes
but I figure I'll just finish my seasonals and try some more warr while I have the time
hearty fog
Yea, each rogue spec feels like it has a unique factor to it, but the dev never ...
if they ask, sub is fun to play
quiet apex
it being optimal to essentially stop dps 10-20 seconds before major CDs seems like a bit of a design flaw
hearty fog
i see that as a design feature
it's unironically one of my favorite parts of sub
at least in raid
being able to take a break mid pull
no other specs allow for that
faint bough
it being optimal to essentially stop dps 10-20 seconds before major CDs seems li...
Was it a design flaw that Goku had to charge up before going super saiyan???
That's all we're doing, charging up our yellow hair before we drop a thermonuclear bomb
quiet apex
Was it a design flaw that Goku had to charge up before going super saiyan???
? goku was a ret paladin
faint bough
? goku was a ret paladin
You insult Goku like that??? Think he's a fucking casual Andy pressing pretty light up buttons ez mode???
novel cipher
So which one's sub rogue? Piccolo because he's cool and bleeds purple?
quiet apex
hearty fog
thanks i just lost 5 braincells reading some of those comments
Its usless unless I use the poisons it wants me to use and there are times I want to use others
yea, i found that irritating too. especially if you are in the middle of a fight when a poison runs out, lol. other than that though, SBA has been working pretty good for assassination. ive just started leveling this rogue to 80
I donât like Sub anymore ever since Shadow Dance was introduced.
neon glen
17 years of dislike
novel kayak
one comment said they disliked high APM specs and the first spec was feral druid
i mean ok..
neon glen
and there is the obligatory combat rogue mention
novel kayak
if only there were conditionals for stealth you can make in macros
hearty fog
if only there were conditionals for stealth you can make in macros
what you m ean i need to study an IT degree just to play a class?
novel kayak
yea, you also cant just make your stealth bar exactly like your normal bar
impossible
novel kayak
it's there forever
neon glen
tbh this is a bit funny because of the current stealth animation bug which also fools macros
hearty fog
why are you doxxing me?
novel kayak
i see you in your dino onsie
hearty fog
my mum bought it for me
novel kayak
wife's boyfriend also got you milk and cookies at the side there
novel kayak
i mean if you say sub rogue has a boring theme MAYBE
cause it;s just muh shadow ninja but not really
but outlaw is quite distinct from other specs in the game
quiet apex
i feel like that person doesn't understand what sub is actually doing. summoning shadow clones is dank
novel kayak
sec tec's animation has been toned down recently no?
you can barely see it now
if it was like kyvessa's dark massacre that would be cool
i think a more legit "boring theme" would be our hero talents
considering fatebound is just a nothing burger hero spec
quiet apex
i dunno im just puzzled how you can think a thief using a bunch of shadow magic is boring
novel kayak
other than sec tec it has nothing else thematically
and sec tec also has like a combined pixel count of 3
and im talking about vfx
quiet apex
ok but we're talking graphics and animations which is a bit different than a spec's theme
which yea, rogue is on a bit boring side graphically except outlaw cause pew pew
novel kayak
yea the theme is there for sure
it just doesnt express that theme well
im just hoping hero talents in general that are BOTH visually weak and non gameplay invasive get a fresh coat of paint in midnight
quiet apex
sub would be pretty easy to spruce up graphically if one wanted, no idea what you'd do with sin though
novel kayak
hero talents that you basically need details to even know you have it on
like wildstalker feral
they did a good job reworking pack leader
oak tartan
sub would be pretty easy to spruce up graphically if one wanted, no idea what yo...
Bleed and poison splash effects
fringe crow
Anyone knows how to make a target count trigger I wanna mek a weak aura that tells me to flurry at 4 targets + but can't seem to find a target count trigger
hearty fog
!wa
ionic forumBOT
Rogue WA's:
Wago.io TWW Rogue
For more specific Rogue WeakAuras, run the !wa command in your preferred specialization channel.
tough swallow
Anyone knows how to make a target count trigger I wanna mek a weak aura that tel...
you need a custom event for it
zenith meadow
Not sure if this is a general question or more spec specific, I am currently playing Outlaw but wanting to try Assa or Sub. Given Outlaw Stat Prior is Vers and Mastery is lowest prior.. How important is the stat weight when trying the other specs?
manic sedge
tbh this is a good write up up till point 13/14
1st comment being about us being squishy as well xd
not the comment you screenshotted but on the thread
hearty fog
so many mouthbreathers in there
mellow pilot
Not sure if this is a general question or more spec specific, I am currently pla...
Assassination wants ilvl above all, sim the rest for the best results;
Sub is kinda on the same boat but doesn't really like haste, so versa mastery and CRIT on the side are ideal, but again, sim it
static epoch
1st comment being about us being squishy as well xd
a lot of people thinking that if you don't have the ability to self-heal from 1% to full between damage events, you're squishy
meanwhile rogue just doesn't let things bring them to 1% unless the healer is either dead or about as close to dead as legally distinct
faint bough
so many mouthbreathers in there
Wowhead and reddit really do be trading off who has the worse rogue takes
unreal gulch
Wowhead and reddit really do be trading off who has the worse rogue takes
They have different types of dents
fringe umbra
Shroud being usable would be a nice start
fringe umbra
Id honestly prefer them to not give us (or anybody else) more aoe stops, theres too many and theyre too frequent as is
Aoe stops on 20s cd is wild
stable latch
True, but it is either remove others stuns or give us more
And i agree for the game it would be better to tune down the amount of stops
Is kinda cringe to have super long cc rotation every pack
fringe umbra
Kidney shot ignoring DR is my suggestion
hearty fog
Id honestly prefer them to not give us (or anybody else) more aoe stops, theres ...
nah give us aoe stun so we have some baseline utility
fringe umbra
Because it feels ass using a couple of globals only to stun for 2 seconds as others have already done 2 aoe stops
static epoch
Shroud being usable would be a nice start
that's more on dungeon design ngl
counts are insane this season, like even if there's a skip, it's unreasonable because you can't skip anything important and skipping trash means you gotta pick up count somewhere else
hearty fog
or give us smokebomb back
hearty fog
that's more on dungeon design ngl
counts are insane this season, like even if th...
problem is that
if you introduce skipping again
then its back to OMG WE NEED A ROGUE FOR EVERY KEY
which i wont say no to
glad harness
Because it feels ass using a couple of globals only to stun for 2 seconds as oth...
Is the talent about kidney giving 10% increased dam still a thing?
fringe umbra
For outlaw, but its 5% iirc
glad harness
Okay, so skill diff then. Kidney should always be used first 
hearty fog
not really worth playing around as well
any mob that can be stunned
isnt going to be a prio target
static epoch
then its back to OMG WE NEED A ROGUE FOR EVERY KEY
well if they don't want that
then remove shroud to begin with and just give us something useful
because right now we're between hammer and anvil - only utility is skip and numbing, and skips aren't done
glad harness
isnt going to be a prio target
You honor, I would like to put on the record that Fimbulvetr is saying no to free dam
hearty fog
well if they don't want that
then remove shroud to begin with and just give us s...
they just dont want people to play rogue
fringe umbra
I mean there was a massive amounts of skips last season
So saying "people dont skip anymore" is kinda wild
hearty fog
You honor, I would like to put on the record that Fimbulvetr is saying no to fre...
its pad!
stable latch
Kidney shot ignoring DR is my suggestion
Yeah either that or make it aoe
static epoch
I mean there was a massive amounts of skips last season
idk
is like 5 skips massive?
glad harness
Your honor, he is doubling down on saying no to free dam!
hearty fog
what skips were there other than bubbles?
static epoch
wasn't bubbles a non-shroud skip to begin with?
hearty fog
Your honor, he is doubling down on saying no to free dam!
honor? i hardly know her
yeah but it's still a skip
glad harness
static epoch
well I don't care for skips that aren't about shroud, because that doesn't do jack for shroud
hearty fog
same
stable latch
Shround is kinda like grip except they don't design the game around it
fringe umbra
hearty fog
Shround is kinda like grip except they don't design the game around it
they do the opposite
static epoch
shroud-based skips last season were like
five across like the whole dungeon pool?
fringe umbra
I wasnt talking about shroud skips
static epoch
oh
glad harness
Guysm, lets be honest, shroud is just a poor mans roar now. Yall are druids 
hearty fog
i thought there was some invis skip stuff still
hearty fog
Guysm, lets be honest, shroud is just a poor mans roar now. Yall are druids <:pe...
stop shilling for druid
stable latch
Guysm, lets be honest, shroud is just a poor mans roar now. Yall are druids <:pe...
Only on sub tho
hearty fog
bloody feral mains
oak tartan
Give us thieves cunning back so we buff 3% crit and haste
hearty fog
shroud is a better roar as well
static epoch
yeah non-sub shroud does jack shit
stable latch
Guys Eleem is cooking just u wait
fringe umbra
Idk i said i wanted shroud to be useful, people respond to me arguing how it isnt useful
glad harness
Only on sub tho
Sub is the only real spec because it's purple
hearty fog
because you made it sound like there were skips and by extenstion shroud
and got our hopes up
glad harness
@noble kestrel
hearty fog
because we're not p*shers here
stable latch
So u want shroud to do something else than stealth?
hearty fog
thats cringe
fringe umbra
Well he said you cant do skips anymore because of percentages
And i said thats just wrong
static epoch
Well he said you cant do skips anymore because of percentages
this season, I said
fringe umbra
You cant do skip with shroud because every single mob sees invis
grave root
there are many skips this szn
hearty fog
yeah my mate was saying that devs watch ppl play ptr and anytime they skip they just insta put eyes on the mob
stable latch
It does sometimes feel a bit targeted
static epoch
there are many skips this szn
like what
I honestly haven't seen any aside from like
very rare stuff like "skip the first pack in priory" and "skip the two stoneguards in Gambit"
grave root
sentinels in eco dome,gambit b4 first boss, priory first pack
static epoch
sentinels skip, you mean, path through the center of the room to not fight one more?
grave root
sentinel in eco dome only works if you distract him and make him turn his back towards you
no
the first sentinel
b4
static epoch
never seen that one, but I'm not a pusher so
fringe umbra
Theres also still the floodgate ones
IE the 2 shredders and the 2 jumpstarters at the end
grave root
yep
fringe umbra
The star guys at the end of gambit didnt see invis for most of ptr
Then they added it so now you cant skip past the first ones
fringe umbra
But yeah idk, too much shit sees stealth
grave root
i find that does more harm than good
unfortunately people dont know u cant directly walk through the mobs :D
hearty fog
had that happen once
someone walked into mob
then died
then go "did stealth fail"
static epoch
anyway
shroud is a weird utility even if it's usable
because like
it contributes to the overall goal of the key
but it doesn't actually do anything related to clearing the challenges, you can just avoid something troublesome
but if the design is for you to actually fight the troublesome thing...
fringe umbra
Doesnt that fit the rogue archetype way better than having an aoe stun?
static epoch
then it can't really be that bad
grave root
imagine not abusing warstomp guys?
static epoch
Doesnt that fit the rogue archetype way better than having an aoe stun?
tbh if the game was actually designed by thematics, Rogue would be either the most useless or the most useful class
stable latch
Ngl shroud will never be enough utility even when it allows u to do skips
There are too many ways to do skips anyway
And atleast atm the skips are pretty meh
static epoch
that's what I mean, yeah
like it will never come close to having BL or BR, it's more or less equivalent to having a small damage buff
unless the dungeons are deliberately designed so that you have a Shroud opportunity at least twice per dungeon and it does save like a couple minutes that way
which will never happen because that will make a Rogue seem mandatory
static epoch
(and the kicks aren't even that good, it's just default melee kick with no improvements)
stable latch
True true
static epoch
but it doesn't last more than 0.5 seconds yeah
so it's just a stop+30% damage down for 5 seconds
neon glen
I don't know why they don't give it a minimum duration of like 1s or so
static epoch
in general I keep returning to the thought that Rogue kit is very limited by the fact that their CC/utility is still decent in PvP and therefore they don't want to buff it for PvE because that'd make them better in PvP
stable latch
Yeah
glad harness
Monkeys paw. Your kick is now ranged and you shadowstep in order to kick enemies at range, putting your step on cd.
stable latch
It should not be that hard tho in pvp st stuns are good in pve aoe stuns are good
static epoch
Monkeys paw. Your kick is now ranged and you shadowstep in order to kick enemies...
...brudda that's just how you kick spellcasters to get them into the pack because ranged are braindead
static epoch
so is it on 25 seconds CD like step
or 15 seconds like kick?
because the latter could kinda work (even if it would be very fucking stupid design-wise), I think
glad harness
I mean
stable latch
Nahh baking that into one spell and forceing tp to kick is insane
glad harness
Are you aware of the phrase monkeys paw
static epoch
yes
oh, right, worst possible outcome for wish phrased, right.
glad harness
Yes. So now it's not only a regular melee kick, but it's also dogshit
static epoch
...wonder if I can get away with swapping MA for Iron Wire
S2 felt a bit better when I could at least make the casters shut the fuck up for 8 seconds at the start of the pull
hearty fog
Monkeys paw. Your kick is now ranged and you shadowstep in order to kick enemies...
oh okay so we're now a feral druid?
static epoch
I never presumed that Blizz would listen to my advice to begin with
hearty fog
blizzard listens to advice?
glad harness
oh okay so we're now a feral druid?
Consider yourself shilled
hearty fog
glad harness
grave root
Just figured out u can skip a bloodguard b4 2nd boss in Arakara with shroud too
static epoch
see, the thing is
you'll have to get the count elsewhere and Ara is already tuned like hell in terms of count if you don't want to turn back after 3rd boss and do another pack
and that guard+little guys probably is the least threatening pack in the last 10 minutes before him
grave root
yea just sayin its doable
static epoch
doesn't he have truesight?
grave root
Works the same like the sentinel u have to distract him so His back is facing towards you
he does
Sentinels have eyes too
static epoch
is this sub-specific with the speed boost so he can't react?
grave root
Not sure i only play sub
static epoch
I see
cunning mason
Oh shit I gotta test that later
So you just shroud and run?
Errr
Shroud, distract and then run past?
novel cipher
Sounds like it yeah
noble kestrel
Sub is the only real spec because it's purple
Truth
fringe crow
Any one got custom trigger code to activate on target count ? I basically wanna make a wa for flurry that lights up when to press it but there's a target condition however I can't find a target count trigger
tough swallow
you can use my target in range weakaura as baseline and work from there
however
if you don't know lua/custom code it won't be easy
craggy cedar
guys someone know how to move chattynator?
i can just fix his size but how can i move him
oak tartan
is there some new "decline every rogue" meta? i get instantly declined in some +10 keys with 716 itemlvl
oak tartan
nah, that group was empty for over 5 mins
sacred dove
Hi! Little question what is the best for Rogue Sub or Assa ?
mellow pilot
Yes
upper veldt
best for rogues is cats and a lot of money đ¤
tough swallow
Hi! Little question what is the best for Rogue Sub or Assa ?
its me, i am the best rogue. I am so subtle my logs won't show up on the top 10
(there is not best rogue spec, each boss has at least one thats better)
twilit thicket
Did they update the points we get per m+ dungeon ?
I just ran a key that I already had and gained 40 points
chrome bolt
I just logged in and got 3k achievement... I was still about 35 io short
steep dock
just go sub if you like playing that,its best on almost everything.
silver root
is there a way to macro tricks @ tank?
faint bough
is there a way to macro tricks @ tank?
!tricks
ionic forumBOT
Smart tricks WA on tank, this require the following macro:
/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 1
/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 0
This does it for you automatically, otherwise you'd have to change the name in your macro to the tank each time the tank changes
wicked night
this isnt rogue specific, but anyone know a good way to see if someone is swapping players on the same account? There is someone who on 1 raid day is insane, top rank 1 parsing, never dying etc and then another raid day is like they dont know where their keys are.. uptime dif of like 20% on abilities etc..
big thing to 'claim' without evidence right? but is it possible from logs? They also never talk during raid lol
like CPM almost doubles from 1 raid to the next and uptime on their abilities go from 80% to nearly 100% etc.
twin heart
How much dps should I be doing in keys? I did a +12 and ended around 6m dps 710 ivll?
deft elm
it really just depends man, pulls timing etc. 6 mil in a pug 12 is fine though
the dungeon can easily change it as well @twin heart
analog acorn
this isnt rogue specific, but anyone know a good way to see if someone is swappi...
I dont think you can check only blizzard can with checking there IP of the account and see if hes swapping
twin heart
the dungeon can easily change it as well <@322853829966168094>
Okay, thank you. Yeah I dont really know where to time cds, but idk how much dmg other classes do. Unholy seems kinda insane
deft elm
Okay, thank you. Yeah I dont really know where to time cds, but idk how much dmg...
Im spiking pretty close to what i can do on my equally geared unholy on big lust pulls. Maybe a bit less sustained on bigger pulls. But way better boss damage then unholy
autumn nova
Helloo rogue's friends... 1 question, i wanna try high m+ with friends( arcane and boomy) is better play assa or sub for this comp?
eager lark
i heard m+ rating got fixed. But the app is not showing it yet. Do we need to reinstall it?
unreal gulch
i heard m+ rating got fixed. But the app is not showing it yet. Do we need to re...
Just wait for them to adjust it
long palm
So are all rogue mains souls-like enjoyers? I kind of want to be a rogue main but I also tend to do leveling, questing and everything in tank spec cuz ez mode ez aoe ez life
sharp nest
Not all, I dislike souls-like, rogue since wrath with a few years of breaks in between
stealth is life
hearty fog
same i also hate souls-like
long palm
I think it gives me the same kind of experience - getting one shot by enemies in souls-likes, and getting squished leveling my rogue because I pulled like one extra mob⌠I also think itâs a similar learning I need to do - chain stuns and stuff to avoid deathâŚ
hearty fog
the levelling experience is only temporary
long palm
But soloing quests, soloing elites etc, itâs quite a bit of max level too before I get geared to the level I aim for, where Iâm strong, and even then isnât the solo questing and farming harder? đ maybe Iâm just slippery sloping đ
mellow pilot
I can't remember a single quest/world quest I've not been able to solo besides the world boss
hard current
you have a lot of tools in your disposal if youre talking about delves
if youre getting killed by melee youre either overpulling or too low ilvl
or maybe you arent picking up the brann potions
delves are lowk my favourite part about wow tww
nemesis bosses are peak
static epoch
I can't remember a single quest/world quest I've not been able to solo besides t...
solo'd a start of the expac world boss last week
the shadowdude in the depths
mellow pilot
I don't doubt it, but I was talking about current content :3
long palm
Alright, it seems Iâm just scaring myself based on how weak I experience my rogue leveling.
static epoch
levelling means nothing anymore
craggy cedar
guys hi can someone answer how can i put debuffs on right side enemy plate hp bar
slow saddle
Guys, anyone can tell me why background of dungeon finder lines turn redish despite there no role contradictions? (eg. you tag in a key, he take some people but there's still a spot free for your role and already cr+bl but the background turns redish). Idk if I'm clear
winged jungle
Do you play any other roles? Sometimes when I swap from my healer to my rogue itâll remember the healer filter
If you turn off all your filters and apply them again it might fix it
unkempt dock
Guys, anyone can tell me why background of dungeon finder lines turn redish desp...
ur filter settings
slow saddle
only filter i got is "free rogue spot"
mossy bison
only filter i got is "free rogue spot"
then they accepted another rog before you? :p
whole rampart
!guide
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Rogue Guides:
WoWhead: https://www.wowhead.com/classes#rogue
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Method: https://www.method.gg/guides
whole rampart
!wa
ionic forumBOT
Rogue WA's:
Wago.io TWW Rogue
For more specific Rogue WeakAuras, run the !wa command in your preferred specialization channel.
whole rampart
!sims
ionic forumBOT
Simulations:
Bloodmallet: https://bloodmallet.com/index.html
ember nest
that means they have an inv pending too
sometimes
like they invited someone and it is waiting for them to accept
trail stream
!up
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somber idol
!wa
ionic forumBOT
Rogue WA's:
Wago.io TWW Rogue
For more specific Rogue WeakAuras, run the !wa command in your preferred specialization channel.
slow saddle
that means they have an inv pending too
ooh, ok, thanks
tiny forge
Is there a way to turn off that stupid gravestone thing in delves? Sometimes don't want my friends knowing I stayed up till 5am and died in a delve.
novel cipher
Nope lol
eternal geode
Hey, just a quick question. I seem to break out of stealth for no apparent reason. Like i am just walking around and it breaks. Does anyone know how to fix this?
novel cipher
Are you wearing that one intellect dagger that siphons from stuff?
oak tartan
Get an agi dagger
eternal geode
oh yea
novel cipher
What belt are you wearing? Is it the DISC belt with the bolts? Because that also shoots random stuff
Ah okay, the intellect warbound dagger strikes again
keen cedar
hey anybody has a working version of those auto tricks weakauras+macro?
the ones i found on wago dont seem to be working/updated
novel cipher
!tricks
ionic forumBOT
Smart tricks WA on tank, this require the following macro:
/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 1
/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 0
ty
magic fulcrum
Say, I don't see any MoP classic section, if I have questions I put them in the "spec discussion => subtlety" category ? Or is there some sort of Ravenholdt classic ?
(Also Hello, how's everyone doing ?)
mellow pilot
(Also Hello, how's everyone doing ?)
#classic-discussion This is your best bet in this discord.
You can also check the pins under that channel and find more dedicated discord servers for classic WoW in general (which might have MoP info)
magic fulcrum
Thanks a lot, I'll try that
mellow pilot
Thanks a lot, I'll try that
You might also google Simonizeshow discord, also a great source of info for classic wow and i'm 99% sure he has mop stuff
magic fulcrum
Thanks, I'm having a hard time figuring what I'm messing up in the rotation and it's driving me crazy to not find it
I really hope they can help
magic fulcrum
if anything
Thanks for all of that, you're a legend
hard current
is dexter morgan a sub or assa rogue
steep dock
abit of both I would say
edgy nimbus
declined declined declined sadge
ripe meteor
sharp nest
Sub or assa for lfr and low key mythic+ pugs? And delves. Or just play whatever
mellow pilot
Literally does not matter
sharp nest
Was just wondering if one of the specs is better in not "ideal" conditions
I'll probably top out at around 700 ilvl
mellow pilot
You're worrying about min max at a level where min max doesn't exist
the only thing you could do IF you wanted to, was to play sub/outlaw trickster for delves, for the 1H tricks of the trade
sharp nest
Yeah I like to overthink stuff even though I'm casual nowadays. I'll just play what feels better
mellow pilot
For me the only thing that feels better is assassination, be it good or bad
iron belfry
lfr u can literally afk and autoattack
strong imp
if your tank doesnt like you stealthing before combat, which would you play Sub or Assa?
hearty fog
whatever i enjoy playing hte most
unreal gulch
if your tank doesnt like you stealthing before combat, which would you play Sub ...
The one I prefer is indeed the right answer, as the tank actually chaining doesnt make you lose out on anything important
mellow pilot
in my mind
spare pulsar
i can assure you the aftermath is even worse
mellow pilot
You still @ the hospital?
static epoch
if your tank doesnt like you stealthing before combat, which would you play Sub ...
both kinda like to restealth (due to IC or TFD respectively), but honestly it doesn't matter, play what you like and try to learn how to deal without stealth (it's gonna happen anyway)
mellow pilot
6 months rehab
I hope you get better soon so you can join us in Azeroth homie
hard current
if your tank doesnt like you stealthing before combat, which would you play Sub ...
kick your tank
whichever you find more fun though
somber idol
if your tank doesnt like you stealthing before combat, which would you play Sub ...
Sub
mellow pilot
If that's the big explosion during P1 you can cloak it.
LFR/normal you can probably just feint it and shug a health potion
karmic abyss
hello my people, do you experience any lags while playing rogue? my main is druid but i dont get lags at big aoe scenarios but my assa rogue does
even at the dummies everytime i hit enveno
mild wasp
hello my people, do you experience any lags while playing rogue? my main is drui...
sounds like a cpu demanding addon, make sure you dont have out of date or conflicting WAs
leaden parcel
Anyone else feel like they've reach a glass ceiling pugging m+? If so, at what level? Finished resi 15 last night and it's dried out completely.
spare dune
mild wasp
Anyone else feel like they've reach a glass ceiling pugging m+? If so, at what l...
listing your own key above 18 is a waste of time and applying to 17s takes forever
imo get resilient 16s and play some alts for fun
people will be listing keys again when turboboost rolls around
wind widget
!fuu
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Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
sharp nest
first raid since legion, even though I'm a casual and only play LFR, it was nice to see. 680 ilvl rank
this community helped a lot in setting up my talents and stuff
mellow pilot
Poggers, ggs
jolly glade
does someone know how to turn off the hp bar and cast bar? i want the name on since our dk is a monkey on dimensius so i need to track him xD
