#classic-discussion

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rigid yacht
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once you get glaives tho, go brrrrr

plush vigil
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Sure but I think the current community perception will make rogues slots in raids limited since hunters and warlocks are just easier to use

bronze crystal
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in TBC a raid should have 1-2 slots for rogues

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out of 25

cloud belfry
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yeah if you're in a hardcore min/maxing guild, maybe

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for the vast majority of people the raid compositions will look completely different

bronze crystal
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well

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the GREAT thing with TBC is the balance

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that requires all classes on most of the content

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so I can already see all these vanity players that will reroll warlock

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unable to find a guild

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and get stuff

cloud belfry
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heh

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yeah I'm sticking with my warrior for that reason... everyone's gonna reroll and that means free gear for me

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But just like in classic, it really depends on the environment you play in. You don't have to strictly follow the meta to clear all the content in TBC. in fact it's easier to not follow the meta and clear in tbc than it is in classic because more specs are viable

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like we cleared MC with a goddamn shaman main tank

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people are only limited by their imaginations

desert hazel
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I agree that it will be different than it was in the original TBC but the general balancing won't change much. before BT rogues wont be abtle to keep up with locks and hunters on same skill and gear level.
I do not think they will be complete trash and I'm pretty sure you always have 1-2 rogues in your lineup but you definitely won't stack melees. not just less than in classic but you just won't at all, you don't need them.
for casual guilds it won't matter much but they probably will balance it out too if they see fit.
I expect way less melees in TBC than today and probably rightly so.
rogues will still be around, be it only for those damn nice arena comps

desert hazel
bronze crystal
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1 tank group, 1 melee group, 2 distant groups, 1 healer group

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more or less

desert hazel
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we'll see about that. I think they rather thin out melees for healers than ranged 😄

plucky quest
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@desert hazel did you play TBC cause rogues were very strong if not the best

desert hazel
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I did play tbc, as a rogue. Rogues were amazing in arena, they were lackluster before glaives in PvE

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but always open to be proven wrong if you have anything at hand 🙂

plucky quest
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Myself and the others rogues in my guild never got glaives and were always on top..and my guild did all content

plucky nymph
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Then they weren't that good, but success is all that matters :3

desert hazel
plucky quest
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Yeah let’s go with that @plucky nymph

desert hazel
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i am pretty sure things will change in a new TBC, if it happens but I'm also pretty sure in terms of DPS melee won't hold up to the top ranged

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I don't see us harrassing hunters and locks for top spots

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and many melees will have to reroll if they want a safe spot in their raids

plucky quest
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lol

plucky nymph
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A lot of melee now are the way they are because of the power, and many of us are already rerolling or have hunters/warlocks as is >_>

desert hazel
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yep, a typical raid will look completely different in tbc, not just because of the 25 man frame

plucky nymph
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Half the healers, fewer tanks, lots of pumpers.

desert hazel
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i'm not worried for my spot, I have good chances to get that "one" rogue slot in the raid but we'll see

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maybe I'll have to reroll after all

plucky nymph
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Yeah there's no telling who is going to be around between now and then.

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

desert hazel
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TBC will end my dad guild misery though 🙂 with 25 man raids, that's finally gone

plucky nymph
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Weeee shallllll seeeee.

desert hazel
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yeah let's first wait if they in fact bring tbc and if so, how it'll be, what patch and so on.

plucky nymph
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That and gimme a free race change >:|

desert hazel
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not thinking too much about it, if I dont like it I'm out. classic was never meant for me to become an intense thing again

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what race are you?

plucky nymph
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UD, which I love, but ye.

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Not much in the realm of fears in TBC.

desert hazel
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me too and I will stay UD, like it in the arena

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PvE will be secondary to me, can't imagine it any other way but you never know, blizzard does things XD

signal ember
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Not going to lie, I don't know how people can shit on rogue DPs in tbc.

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Back in tbc, I was typically top 3 DPs easily.

plucky nymph
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That's nice, prepare to be under 4 macro spamming hunters.

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Though to be fair, there's a lot of DPS lost in the macros.

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So maybe not.

desert hazel
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Not even fun hunter but BM d'uh

plucky nymph
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Ye 😐

cloud belfry
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the great news is that the hunter one button macro will not work in classic TBC

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because the classic client uses the legion macro API which prevents macros like the one button one

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I absolutely think that melee will be able to compete with hunters and locks for top spots, especially if you build a group around them with drums and the proper buffs

plucky nymph
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Nah those macros still work on Retail, just not the one you a thinking about, it is a much worse version though, that's for sure.

raven snow
signal ember
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Too ez.

desert hazel
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what a poor soul

azure lark
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lmao imagine being mad over a 15 years old video game

drowsy phoenix
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dispel his discord account too

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ultimate gottem

median sapphire
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getting mad over world buffs

raven snow
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well, i have a problem

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i've got a warlock, rogue, and now a druid to about level 25+

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and now i want to make a paladin cause i got a great idea for a name

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Eh, I won’t put myself through the torture of playing a paladin

bronze crystal
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Omg no one cares

plucky nymph
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FUCKING GOTTEM HAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

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: - |

bronze crystal
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Hello fellow Rogues, I have a technical question regarding Resistance Mechanics in wow classic

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Is every additional resistance point granting additional resistance ? Or is there some kind of "10 by 10 resistance steps" ? Meaning for example : 240, 241, 242, 243 ,244, 245, 246, 247, 248 ,249 all would provide the same resistance.

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Asking because I have heard someone who usually knows a lot about theorycraft stating this, but I cannot find any source about this.

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Thank you for any help

cloud belfry
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There are no breakpoints for resistances. Every point helps. The breakpoints myth comes from the wowwiki article which simplifies the effects of increasing resistances in a table diagram that states the average chance for a resist you have at certain numbers, and people misinterpreted this diagram to mean that you only see increasing benefits at those thresholds.

bronze crystal
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Thank you

raven snow
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was i supposed to come in from the top end, or the bottom end of STV for leveling?

loud tree
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generally the top of STV

hollow tusk
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For AQ i put my 2 points from murder into ruthlessness, and was wondering what the best option out of those two would be for naxx since all but two bosses are undead. combat daggers

rigid yacht
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keep ruth in naxx for sure

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go murder for a night tho if you wanna sweaty parse spider wing

paper hare
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Question about seal fate and weapon skill: do you just keep C'thun dagger + corehound gloves forever to hit 308, or is yellow damage a high enough % of your thing to drop corehound gloves for more naxx pieces?

tidal marsh
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Sting and ACLG

tight hearth
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Hey Guys, on Sunday i got Gressil from our first KT kill, i am wearing P5 BiS for Sword Rogues (Deathdealers, QEB, Gloves of Enforcement, Cthun Belt, Band of Accuria, AQ40 Reputation Ring, Prestors and so on) -
At the moment i am wearing Gressil Main and CTS Offhand - what do you think i should aim for next?

Iblis or try to get 4 parts of T3?.

plucky nymph
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Doesn't really matter just do what makes you feel prettier.

raven snow
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how is rogue in the current pvp meta?

paper hare
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So I have a potentially very stupid question (please be gentle) - If +5 weapon damage on MH for dagger is like super close with crusader because of how weapon damage influences backstab scaling, how is the ring that gives +4 weapon damage from cenarion circle rep like... not good at all?

tidal marsh
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It's not terrible it's just not better than other rings we have access to at this point in the game. If you don't have two epic rings yet it would be better than blues. Attack power effectively does the same thing as + weapon damage. There is a formula for how much attack power equals 1 weapon damage but I don't have it off the top of my head. You can log on and figure it out hover over your weapon damage on the character stats and take off a piece of gear to see how it effects it.

lime coral
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Is there a big race difference on classic and TBC? for rogues on alliance.

Considering going a night elf (as i like the race) but at the same time dont want to shoot myself in the foot lol

paper hare
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If you're intending on playing swords, human makes a big difference to get you to the 308 glance cap, if you're gonna play daggers it's not a big deal, no

potent crane
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f

cloud belfry
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That's not true. In tbc weapon skill was replaced with expertise, and the ability to reduce the damage penalty from glancing blows was removed. Play whatever race you want

tight hearth
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One point of expertise decreases the chance that melee attacks made by the player will be dodged or parried by 0.25%

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Still nice to Play Human

cloud belfry
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You get expertise on gear though

lime coral
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What poisons / weapon buffs do i use while raiding?

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Instant posion on Mh then what ?

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Or can u have both poisons and weapon buffs active at the same time? and if so, what weapon buffs are the best for us ?

rigid yacht
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double ip if your ally. ip oh wf mh if horde

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and if you have consecrated stones as ally they go both, horde still goes wf mh stone oh

bronze crystal
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Hello fellow colleagues, what is better for a dagger rogue that has not deathsting : ACLG or T3 gloves ?

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assuming the rogue has Neverending agony (and not muggler's belt).

rigid yacht
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ACLG unless youre getting 4pc bonus if you wear the gloves

lime coral
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would it be best to go dagger specc with perdition blade + CHT offhand or sword specc with vis'kag and either perd + CHT in offhand ? or they equal ?

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Im a gnome , so human racial wont affect.

rigid yacht
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if you have aclg go daggers, viskag and cht would be fine if youd rather be swords tho

lime coral
tight hearth
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you can use spreadsheets

novel cape
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Is there a resource for naxx boss armor values?

trail prawn
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Hello there, i would like to ask a question, about trinket swapping PvE during raid combat. i surfed around the internet some said its possible, but is it?

i've tried to do couple of times but it didn't worked for me.
the macro i tried.

/cast vanish
/equip Hand of Justice
plucky nymph
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No.

tight hearth
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You can use Item Rack for switching trinkets after Trash Mob Groups, switching trinkits in Bossfights is not possible

bronze crystal
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Works sometimes on Nefarian between phase 1 and 2 after the breath

plucky nymph
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Works 100% of the time if you kill things fast enough to get time out of combat.

wide pawn
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For hemo sword rogues, which ability is better between rupture and slice and dice?

rigid yacht
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in pvp? only really rupture to kite warr/pala. if you dont wanna evis for some reason you can snd

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pve snd

stark loom
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I'm trying to make a macro that lets me alternate between gouge or blind when using a modifier button. It doesn't seem to work atm, what did I do wrong?

/cast [mod:shift][@mouseover, harm] Gouge; Gouge;[mod:ctrl][@mouseover, harm] Blind; Blind;
/stopcasting```
ember cedar
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#showtooltip
/cast [mod:shift, @bronze patrolover] Gouge; [mod:ctrl, @bronze patrolover] Blind
/stopattack

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U wrote gouge and blind 2 times and the Second ones are without a modifier

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Dont know wich use „harm“ should habe

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Have

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@stark loom

wide pawn
wide pawn
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Also, is hemo spec better than the pvp dagger one for humans? Is the sword benefit worth it

desert hazel
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nah that's irrelevant, Hemo is dope, so is dagger, it really depends on what role to fill. both have their place

quasi kettle
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Hello everyone!
I'm new at rogue. I'm running the standard swordspec while lvling up.
I have a weapon swing timer. But I am unsure when between my autoattacks I want to be using sinister strike
I heard that when the extra hit from sword spec procs my swing time resets.
Can anyone clear up or point me towards information that explains when I need to time my sinister strike

bronze crystal
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right after a swing

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(when the swing has just been reset)

quasi kettle
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Thank you!
That seems logical. I just wanted to be sure
And this only matters for my main hand swing? My offhand swing timer doesn't matter right?

bronze crystal
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yes only matters on the main hand

quasi kettle
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Many thanks!

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Appreciate

desert hazel
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yeah get used to it asap, even more if you're horde

marble trail
quasi kettle
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@marble trail Thank you!

icy trail
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Burrs any good?

signal ember
plucky nymph
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Wow very cool.

signal ember
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First time logging on my rogue since SL.

unkempt flax
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Is there documentation for what build to run when leveling in a 5-man group through dungeons?

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or is combat daggers essentially the best way to go?

rigid yacht
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swords or daggers is fine

placid bough
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Does anyone know T3 8pc proc chance? 😖

tight hearth
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~5% per CP

loud tree
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!tbc Kappa

south vector
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ah TBC, where things start to feel better, but things are still funky like sub

quasi shadow
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So debating starting a rogue played one a bit in tbc. Combat still the best to level and play for classic/tbc?

tight hearth
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Yes, combat is still the way to go

signal ember
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Im probably just going to meme sin tbh

raven snow
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Does anybody here have the Pre-Raid BiS list for Rogues

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I use to have it years ago playing on a private server but can't find it now

tight hearth
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For Classic?

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try to get the t0.5 set together with 2x Tribute Ring, Blackhands/HoJ or DM Trinket (Class book) - Satyr Bow and maybe Devilsaur Set

plush vigil
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Or get carried in mc/bwl by your guild for t1/ t2

raven snow
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Sorry I meant for TBC, some reason that autocorrected into the

echo junco
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isn't pre raid hybrid fist/sword with bladefist the strongest?

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not looking foward to farming that

plucky nymph
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Technically at least 1 Blinkstrike, but GL with that.

raven snow
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Yeah I remember blink strike and the shuriken from 1 of the zanga dungeons but can't find the full pre bis list

loud tree
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i'm sure content creators will have all the tbc bis lists done up in no time

proven nova
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The bis weapons are Blacksmithing Hammer + Landro's from Black Morass OH

raven snow
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The TBC Pre-Raid BiS list already exists

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I was using it on a private server years ago

proven nova
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Very true

raven snow
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It was an excel sheet which had Pre-Raid, Tier 4, Tier 5, Tier 6 & Sunwell lists & sims

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That private servers discord got shut down so can't go back to see it

loud tree
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sounds like it doesn't exist then Kappa

raven snow
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It exists just the private sever & discord doesn't

loud tree
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hope ya find it

raven snow
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I found it thanks for the help

frosty dock
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Do you guys thinks i'd be wise to wait for prepatch to level?

signal ember
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Eh, people still gonig to get boosted anyway

spark flame
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Level when you feel like it

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Takes a long time to hit 60 anyway, might as well get a head start

white shale
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Is it better to level some other class in tbc first than rogue, or can I go with rogue as my main and first class ?

plush vigil
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Main whatever you want.

marble dune
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probably better to main rogue and get to 70 and secure a raid spot somewhere

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if you reroll rogue alt 3-4 months into the tier its gonna be hard to find a raid spot

mystic perch
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Anyone got any tips for leveling up a new rogue alt? is skinning knife with fiery wep worth it?>

tight hearth
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maybe up to level 10

desert hazel
signal ember
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Fresh when?

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TBC level 1 fresh pls Blizzard.

rigid yacht
hushed laurel
desert hazel
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Are you comparing +30 spellpower to fiery weapon?

onyx grove
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Do rogues have raid utility in bc?

rigid yacht
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imp ea and kick but thats all really

marble dune
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dont play a rogue if you care about raiding

signal ember
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Imagine min/max in 14 years old content

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Rogues are fine for raid, not ideal to stack.

rigid yacht
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glaive rogues go brrrrr

stray viper
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What are the 2 best arena professions for rogue? I know you get ap from a lot

wide pawn
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Hey. I wanted to know, should I change my hemo pvp spec to a pve combat till tbc?

I personally prefer pvp a lot more, but it seems in classic pve is way more important for gear

cloud belfry
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Pvping for gear in classic is probably one of the worst thing you could choose to do in phase 6. Just go on some BWL/mc/ AQ pugs and get tier 2, tier 2.5 or tier 1, and respec to pvp for fun

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The classic pvp system is absolute dogshit. The gear isn't even good anymore unless you spend like 30+hrs a week minimum pvping to get to rank 13

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And that gear is obsoleted by aq and naxx gear

raven snow
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Hello. Does pickpocket benefit from spell hit?

crisp hornet
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hi as a new rogue, if i plan on playing from classic till TBC is it best to go with swords or daggers?

stray bridge
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Most people go with Swords but both is viable iirc

crisp hornet
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thanks for the answer 😄

forest grail
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Hello

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i got to level 10, and to be honest i'm kinda lost

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from what i understood Sword rogue is the way to go for classic, as far as focussing on PVE content goes

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but can someone link me a good guide for it? i saw a bunch but all the talent choices conflicted one way or the other (probably guides that came out at different phases)

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as side questions as a beginner are daggers that much more awful in PVE compared to sword+dagger? and is rogue gonna be the worst class in the game in TBC or it's just doomsayers

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sorry for being so uninformed but i always played a hunter and switching to rogue to level with my friends in classic all the way up to TBC

somber maple
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And no, sword or dagger combat doesn't make much of a difference

forest grail
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thank you

bronze crystal
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Hello all, what is better ?

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(being horde, no blessing of kings)

rigid yacht
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sword or dagger rogue?

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and does that get you 4pc or not

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if you have 4pc already and especially if your daggers horde you want bonea over t3

sullen oasis
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If I was to comeback now to classic on my rogue, would it be possible to gear doing and for pvp only? How would I do that?

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Or would I have to do atleast some pve

cloud belfry
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You could gear with only pvp but it'd be a waste if time. Classic ranking is garbage

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The gear you'd get would be obsolete and you'd have to grind bgs 40+ hours a week to get it

marble dune
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Whip out the credit card and attend gdkps

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honestly classic is over in 2 months so just don’t bother wasting your time

tight hearth
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If Horde, go 8/9 T3 with Cthun Belt, If Ally go 8/9 T3 with T2.5 Chest

bronze crystal
tight hearth
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Do you play dagger or Sword? Always beeing full world buffed?

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I guess 8/9 is better for you, swap in BONEA if you get the ring

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both belts are tight (~2-4DPS) so i would not crash the 8 Piece Bonus for 1%hit and a bit AP

mossy idol
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Anyone want to level some shit for tbc?

hearty hatch
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hi guys is anyone able to point me in the direction of some opener and 1v1 guides? i play 59 twink hemo with pre med

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alot of times i just cs hemo ks and after that just spam hemo but it doesnt feel very efficient

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i struggle against wars and bear druids etc

urban junco
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looking into dagger rogue, is Seal Fate worth going or is combat dagger the way to go

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Have been struggling to get an offhand sword. They refuse to drop, and when they do, I always lose the roll/bid for it. Going to try to go daggers since it is easier to get weapons

signal ember
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Anyone griefing head drop on their server? No, just me?

cloud belfry
signal ember
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TD real gamers

meager osprey
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what servers are the boys on

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server

signal ember
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Netherwind

signal ember
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Tomorrow, I shall guard our brave Field Marshal from abuse.

gloomy pendant
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Do Rogue's never use Rupture in classic?

loud tree
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vs another rogue in pvp maybe. or warrior kiting/bleed. but that's pretty much it

desert hazel
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vs tanks in pvp and cripple kite true dmg /tickle tease

gloomy pendant
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I've heard Rouges in classic are just extremely powerful.

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Well I mean easy to play.

vagrant flicker
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Sinister strike goes brrrr

gloomy pendant
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And eviscerate is completely static.

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If you don't know what that means. It means it will do the amount of damage it says. It doesn't matter what weapon you have it will still do that amount.

signal ember
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It's like people don't have armor to reduce the damage of eviscerate

alpine tartan
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Classic rogue > retail rogue imo. Especially pvp. Class isn't complicated, but still helps to know how to play your class vs other classes.

marble dune
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yea i sure love 50% stealth speed and vanish that never works

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  • lose cp when i switch targets
drowsy phoenix
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85% speed if ur playing silly reset spec

marble dune
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in terms of QOL changes, retail > classic its not even close

alpine tartan
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Retail will always be better than Classic in terms if QOL, no debate. And I still prefer Classic rogues slower stealth speed (you're trying to be quiet, you're not supposed to go faster in stealth). Again, it's just my personal preference, I like the feel of rogue in Classic more.

pastel carbon
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Do you guys think the Mechanaar chest farm that we had back in TBC days will work on TBC classic?

rugged pawn
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What r the most profitable professions while lvling in classic

cloud belfry
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Herbalism and skinning

raven snow
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what addon is this it tells you when stuff is usable

gui.JPG
mint bridge
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@raven snow msbt

amber yew
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Hey got a question about Remorseless Attacks talent, dose it only trigger on Killing Blows or dose it trigger if someone in the party gets the killing blow <@&224906552333697025>

drowsy phoenix
rigid yacht
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only triggers if you get the killing blow @amber yew

rugged pawn
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does anyone know the % hit rating u need to be hit capped with sword rogue

vocal heron
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9% I believe

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Either 6% or 9%, not sure

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I’d go for 9% though for yellow hits. You can go beyond that but it would only affect white hits(autos) which wouldn’t be worth focusing on I believe

knotty nova
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Does anyone have any info on how much of a dps increase eviscerate rank 9 is?

sullen adder
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Hello guys. I would like to ask, can I level to 60 without any addons? I am not in a rush and I do want to experience the game a bit since I started wow in TBC. Now, when TBC is behind the corner, I would like to go through Classic. Is it huge pain in the ass to play without addons?

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(Not asking for rogues but game in general)

proper owl
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the only addon that truly helps with your leveling experience is questie/some other quest addon, but you can easily level to 60 without it. I would even go so far as to say that if you enjoy leveling, you should probably stay clear of quest addons. Why? Cause it forces you to read and immerse yourself in the quests themselves. Youll also be legitimately rewarded for exploring and finding "hidden" quests, as opposed to just opening up your map and look for quest markers

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@sullen adder

sullen adder
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I know how it goes, I have an idea of what’s ahead of me in general. But I also know that there are million of you that knows more. I set up my UI for classic last week and set all up but addons interfered with retail although I payed attention to this as it already happened to me with Twitch app as well. Idea of going clean of addons sounds nice, especially as I have all the time in the world to level it up. Ty for the info/confirmation m8 ! @proper owl

proper owl
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Forgot to add, you might need a threat meter for dungeons if you plan on running those. I tried going "clean" too, but ended up making a WA for swingtimer, dps meter and a threat meter as I kind of considered those a bit too important

plush vigil
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I leveled to 60 without any add-ons

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As long as you read quest text you should be fine

sullen adder
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Yes, I want to level up to 60 once as when I was 14 y/o and lvl’d to 70. I want to read quests, search and take a slower route to glory 😂. Also will force myself to go single player mode as much as I can.

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I guess with this method I can be there before Karazhan 😂

proper owl
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Sounds like you should just go in fresh tbh

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clean*

sullen adder
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Yeah. This retail state imo is either full speed or siting in covenant hub.

proper owl
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word

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500 laps in oribos was enough

sullen adder
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Ty both of you for ur time guys, I now know that its ok to go like that. Stay well!

tight hearth
tight hearth
violet merlin
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Got a technical question, I'm trying to learn the overall ideas behind what weaps to choose. Right now I have the Butcher in MH and Outlaw Sabre in OH

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I just got Sword of Omen but I'm not sure it's better than Outlaw Sabre

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Outlaw Sabre gives +15 AP with 2.7 speed and 18.9 DPS

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Sword of Omen gives +9 str +3 agi +4 stam, 1.9 speed and 29.74 DPS

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given I'm leveling and fights don't last terribly long, I'm guessing the faster attacks aren't worth the extra 1-2 poison applications per fight.

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Or is there a good site for a calc or info

fallow pumice
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Based on logic I would take sword of omen because it grands more dps and whitehits are your largest potion. Furthermore I think its same amount of AP because 9str=9AP and 3agi=6Ap (not sure on that). In general the DPS value is probably the way to go while having slow MH and fast OH.

violet merlin
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Yeah I'll have to look, but I think my stat sheet went down when I equipped sword of Omen. But that could just be the stats not the actual outcome.

flint valley
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1str = 1AP, 1agi = 1AP plus crit, dodge, etc

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Would definitely go sword of omen.

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People weigh agi differently but I have seen 1.5 to 2.0 AP-equivalent

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Also while leveling, don't underestimate stamina. Less downtime between fights speeds up leveling considerably (same reason why 5/5 deflection & 1 point in riposte is soooo good while leveling

desert hazel
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learning to understand the math behind dmg is good, even during leveling at least for some basics. but do yourself a favor and ignore OH calculations at this stage. it's not representative as you stated yourself i.e. because of the short fight length.
get the best stats/dps and focus on your MH

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MH is a huge driver for your performance during leveling

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as combat, hemo or dagger but obviously the main suggestion is to go full combat your whole leveling experience, there are alternatives though if one wants to focus more on pvp for example

desert hazel
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if we isolate the question to your 3 named swords (Omen, Outlaw and Butcher) your best bet will be
MH: Butcher
OH: Omen
the reason for that is simply because Butcher is restricted to your MH

technically, Sword of Omen would be better in your MH than butcher even though it's a lot faster
So my suggestion would be to equip Sword of Omen in your MH and find any statstick as your new OH

so why is Omen better (even by quite a big margin) when everyone is saying slow weapons need to be in your MH?

Weapon speed is normalized in the classic patch state.
so in the formula, it's always calculated with 2.4 speed for 1H melee weapons.
There is one exception only and that's for Hemo where weapon speed is king as the actual speed is taken into the calculation but for SS we work with normalized weapon speed and SS is the main source of your damage in the leveling process.

desert hazel
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understanding sim sheets takes a while but you learn a ton on the way

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and consider @flint valley comment about stamina and riposte if you haven't already. he's right.
the statement about stamina actually keeps being relevant even in endgame raiding, shit protects your buffs and "dead dudes don't deal damage" 😉
but its ok to focus on the basics first unless you really want to speed that leveling up to max. If so, I strongly suggest to get boosted tho 🙂

flint valley
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If you plan to quest your way to 60 and know a friendly enchanter, I recommend Fiery Weapon on any weapon that you will have for a while (e.g. The Butcher, Sword of Omen for now - Thrash Blade is available as early as 45 and will be your best mainland til 60).

desert hazel
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if you can afford it or have nice people in your guild you can already get crusader on thrash

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if you level with questing, it'll be in your MH for quite a while

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I pay every rogue in my guild a crusader enchant on thrash

flint valley
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Yeah I leveled with fiery on everything at low level, and did crusader on my thrash blade, but my rogue was an Alt and a NostalgiaTwink. I wanted to go best gear I could the whole way while I leveled to re-live the days of my 2005 rogue

desert hazel
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that's the spirit 🙂

flint valley
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Nothing more fun then 2 shottinng things in hillsbrad with fiery weap while power questing. Having the strength procs and self heal from Crusader is HUGE for the 45-60 grind

desert hazel
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it is, as is run speed on boots and 100 hp on chest

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cheap af

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and totally worth it

flint valley
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For the Thrash Blade questas soon as your hit 45: a Warlock or Priest should be able to solo Princess.

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Yeah run speed on those warsong boots lasted me a LONG time. And pretty sure I didn't replace the Gnomergan quests pants (Triprunner Dungarees?) Until I was nearly 60

desert hazel
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52 probably

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devilsaur

flint valley
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Another solid mid-level quest item was the chestpiece from badlands quest (level 45ish, maybe it was Blazewind Breastplate)? That with +100hp was super dope

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Yeah I went straight to Devilsaur set and some Shadow raft pieces as soon as I could. The beauty of alt leveling.

violet merlin
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@desert hazel thanks for the great info! I'll dig into those sims for sure.

desert hazel
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anytime, just ask if you have questions

violet merlin
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@flint valley already got fiery on all 3 swords :)

desert hazel
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and always distrust people telling you to stop stacking hit rating 😛

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(obviously this is only relevant when raiding and mostly true for dagger but keep it somewhere in your mind 😉 )

half crane
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.

worn sky
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whats the most active pvp realm for europe?

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like firemaw maybe?

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or gehennas?

desert hazel
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probably firemaw

signal ember
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Anyone here griefing the head reset?

cloud belfry
signal ember
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That's all I do on classic. Just returning horde back to monkey 🐒. Spent 3 hours of wpvp in EPL preventing buff train guilds getting in EPL and wiping.

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They had to blow like 3 hearts and heads to finally get in naxx.

cloud belfry
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I'm glad you enjoy being cringe

rigid yacht
fierce jacinth
signal ember
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The horde guild that we were wiping that was trying to enter Naxx.

signal ember
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Roll on PvE, ez way out.

fierce jacinth
signal ember
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Didn't ask who asked

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I mean it's their fault for breaking the peace treaty that our cringe guild had with them not to touch our summoners.

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Horde on netherwind never learn not to fuck with TD gamers.

cloud belfry
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PvP oN a PvP SeRvER

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Whatever helps you sleep at night cringer

signal ember
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Needing buffs to clear 16 years old content

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V cringe worthy.

cloud belfry
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the only thing cringe here is you spending 3+ hours griefing people in a 16 year old video game for fun

raven snow
#

Wow very interesting very cool

soft hornet
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@signal ember nice job brother kill the horde and world buff Andy’s.

ruby bridge
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There is nothing wrong with playing classic if you enjoy the gameplay/community.
Camping/killing pve groups in worldpvp is i guess something people signed up for if they choose to paly on a pvp server, its nothing i think is very impressive/fun but everyone has different goals in the game.

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I had someone apply to my guild in legion who was camping leveling people or low geared people and killed them over and over 2-3h a day. He called it doing worldpvp and found a lot of fun in doing so.

cloud belfry
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we call those people assholes

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just because it's possible, allowed, or something you 'signed up for', doesn't make the person doing it any less of a shitter

marble dune
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"how dare you attack me on a pvp server"

cloud belfry
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nice strawman bro

ruby bridge
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it just comes down to what you want

marble dune
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some ppl play the game for the purpose of killing other players

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its called pvp

ruby bridge
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if you want to slaughter people without them reacting to it or having a chance, its exactly the right content for you

cloud belfry
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doesn't make you any less of an asshole

ruby bridge
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if you actually care about pvp and want something else you would probably enjoy doing duels or arena

signal ember
marble dune
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kek

signal ember
ruby bridge
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i personally get bored when killing people who seemingly don't resist or have no chance because of gear. So its def. not the content i enjoy

marble dune
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being able to grief other guilds during their raids is the best part bout classic

cloud belfry
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if you find making other people miserable for 2-3h a day fun, i suggest you seek mental help

marble dune
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esp if they talked shit which lead to the griefing to begin with

ruby bridge
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blizz only bans very extreme cases, so its part of the game

signal ember
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Seriously that's the whole point of PvP server

cloud belfry
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i'm not disputing that it's part of the game, but you're still an asshole if you do it 🙂

marble dune
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theres usually a reason why a guild gets griefed

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probably someone in that guild either talked shit

ruby bridge
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it doesen't matter

marble dune
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or ganked one of the raid members with buffs

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and its retaliation

ruby bridge
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as long as its a legit way to play the game and is not creating a bigger issue for the community

signal ember
#

Just stay clear of netherwind tbh

marble dune
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if you wanna hold hands with the opposing faction whom youre literally at war with

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roll a pve server

cloud belfry
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again, nice strawman

ruby bridge
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there is a reason why blizz did exclude start zones from pvp

cloud belfry
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nobody said anything about that

signal ember
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And if you see Dank bud collective and total disaster in AV, you may as well quit because we're bridge protecting our base

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Which we usually end up winning the AV

ruby bridge
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because people did camp those and made it impossible for anyone new to even play the game

cloud belfry
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i'm just going to keep saying it: if you find camping people who can't fight back and ruining people's days for hours every day fun: seek mental help

marble dune
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how can they not fight back lmao

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theres literally 40 raiders in that clip

ruby bridge
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the reality is, most ppl don't rly care to much

cloud belfry
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i didn't say anything about that clip

marble dune
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not diusus's fault that they ran like pussies

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to save their buffs

raven snow
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Almost like they just wanted to go raid

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Imagine if you’re driving to work

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And a mob just forms a crowd around your car

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And just keeps you there

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Very cool probably

marble dune
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thats pretty funny tbh

signal ember
marble dune
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nothing prevent them from raiding

signal ember
#

PvP happened in irl

raven snow
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Yea super funny when its just a theoretic example

marble dune
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they can easily corpse death run to the portal

ruby bridge
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warmode in bfa had only one purpose

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and this was for groups to camp the other fraction

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pvp as designed by the game outside of duells, arena and bg's is about grieving others and making their experience as bad as it gets

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those individuals who only play the game for that reason get exactly what they want if you get angry

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SL made warmode almost irrelevant tho, so the issue is lower now

signal ember
ruby bridge
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Even if i disslike that people do stupid things to make the experience for others terrible, its something blizz is in control and can decide to punish/restrict

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also as mentioned, there is usually no long term motivation. People do it for 1-2h and then go offline

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so its a rather infrequent annoyance

signal ember
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We do it weekly lmao. What else do we do after clearing naxx?

ruby bridge
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waiting for bc classic?

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or, if you enjoy pvp duells, arena etc.

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there isn't anything to do pve wise once you cleared all content

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but maybe this finite system is what people like

signal ember
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We also held our server hostage by preventing from guilds turning in quest to get scepter for aq opening by tanking dragon inside cot for like 5 hours

ruby bridge
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i mean you found your goal

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to make the game for others annoying to play

signal ember
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Because the top guild were paying horde to prevent us getting our bug mount. Still got it btw but then the bug mount guy stole a kiss from naxx and got gkicked out.

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The bug and horde stomping was one of the funniest time I had on classic

ruby bridge
#

its very easy to exploit flaws given the content is known

knotty nova
#

Can anyone breakdown the dps gains from zg chest to to 2.5 chest and cloak of veiled shadows to cloak of fallen gods?

spring cypress
#

oopse

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so sorry

fair carbon
crude phoenix
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Heyo, I was wondering what would be a better offhand, I am currently rockcing Ancient Quiraji Ripper in MH and so the two options for my OH are Warblade of Hakarri and "The Castigator" a mace from Naxx, I was just wondering what would be a better option

valid jay
#

seems like the macro cannib + stealth is broken (works 1/5), any way to get something still working since batching have been reduced?

knotty nova
#

So I just got claw of the frost wyrm last night and have cts as my main hand what spec do I go?

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I’m also human rogue

runic lance
#

So stoked, got Kingsfall and Death Sting now! LET'S GO!

hexed spoke
#

So i got 8/9 today, had to replace belt of never ending agony and T2.5 chest with T3 to get it. is T3 8p a big enough dps increase to lose the stat benefit from kings on T2.5 chest and the raw damage on belt of never ending agony? i do not have the ring

dawn garden
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its cooler with t3.

craggy mist
#

Is it worth rolling a rogue for tbc?

plush vigil
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If you find it fun then yes

craggy mist
#

Do they do competitive dps? Or will I end up getting carried through the whole expansion?

plush vigil
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Their dps is not top spot worthy for raids.

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But not in a state like classic ret pala where you're useless

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And later tiers it is said rogues become more competitive

craggy mist
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Cool! Thanks 😊

signal ember
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Imagine doing top dps in a 14 years old content

cloud belfry
west axle
#

question: When classic BC comes out will classic vanilla be unplayable?

weak salmon
#

I'd expect realm merges

misty nebula
#

ACLG+Bonescythe belt vs Bonescythe gloves+ muggers belt

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i think if i use ACLG and bonecsythe imma go past crit cap

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yea i think im still using muggers, im loosing 2 dps on the sims using ACLG

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need never ending aggony

raven snow
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why is it so hard to beat hunters ??

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ffs what is wrong with me

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am I doing something wrong ?

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Or are they just hard counters

plush vigil
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If you get to their deadzone you can beat them

raven snow
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I cant lol they always scatter trap me

plush vigil
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Having the barov peasant caller trinket is also useful since the 3 peasanta stack with you and basically reduce you getting hit by their ice trap by 75%

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If they miss the ice trap it should be gg

raven snow
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Do they counter us ?

plush vigil
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Nah I'd say it's 50/50

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Unless hunter is alway sitting on a flare

raven snow
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We should have 2 preparations

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and 2 shadow cloaks

plush vigil
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Warriors you could say counter rogues

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Since overpower goes straight through evasion

raven snow
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I was wrong following Psheros model, this noob always pvp against green geared players

plush vigil
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He's a good player both on classic and retail peeposhrug

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But by following his model you won't become good

raven snow
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No he is not

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he attacks undergeared with all cds + items

rigid yacht
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youve clearly never watched him for longer than a few minutes

raven snow
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I have

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He pvps half afk

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and undergeared ppl

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Get mad when he is ganked by actual good players

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Ban ppl from his chat when they actually make a real statement

desert hazel
raven snow
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Consu and engi for garbages player

desert hazel
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With a frost reflector they are dead meat

raven snow
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Yeah yeah hunters reflector, petr reflector, stun reflector

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death reflector ?

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skill reflector also ?

rigid yacht
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excuses for being badkekw

raven snow
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Wanna duel ?

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"oh no pls sorry I was joking"

desert hazel
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You seem to be a very odd dude. Cu and have fun

raven snow
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ok coomer

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Btw, Payo stomps Pshero, no discussion

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Pshero is afraid of him, hoping Payo won't roll on EU

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And bans everyone who dares saying the truth

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The day when Payo rolled EU to see how trash they were, Pshero shit on himself

cloud belfry
raven snow
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Yeah, brown stuff in his pant

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With fart noises

fair carbon
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Dumpster channel

paper tundra
#

@fair carbon bro do u have sword spec in classic or what

fair carbon
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Yeah smilers

paper tundra
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😺

dense spade
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Hemo bis

marble dune
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you should never copy what pshero plays

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he likes running weird/strange builds that no one else does

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on purpose

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but he makes it up with skilled gameplay

tranquil steeple
#

Don't know if this is the right place but was wondering about prepatch and if anyone knew whether swapping to combat swords from daggers is a dps loss or increase with slightly worse swords, currently using KF/Harbofdoom best swords are r14 ones, don't have any from naxx.

rigid yacht
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r14 swords is a dps increase from kf/harb

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combat potency is very strong so swords pull a bit ahead. you could always go muti and do IEA if you wanna be daggers in prepatch

marble dune
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rip dagger rogues

desert hazel
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other than some niche mutilate in arenas I don't really see daggers play much of a role in tbc.
there are some good shiv daggers though, so at least we have that 🙂

tranquil steeple
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Have always preferred daggers its always a shame when they're not viable

desert hazel
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agree

stuck fern
#

Hey, I never played Classic. Started few months before release of MoP. So I started Classic now. I just played till level 3 and I miss the combo points in my UI. Will they be added on higher level?

desert hazel
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CP in standard UI are around the target frame if I'm right. small red dots

stuck fern
desert hazel
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i suggest to find what suits you best, be it an addon or a weak aura.

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I work with Luxthos Weak Auras

stuck fern
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I will try Luxthos. Use them on retail already. 🙂

strange canopy
#

is 20/41 the combat swords spec for bc?

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finding a c ouple diff ones

rigid yacht
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21/40

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relentless is better than surprise attacks

strange canopy
#

i had reposte before this patch. what do we take instead of riposte? seemed really nice to have that extra attack that did decent dmg

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hmm really, i wouldve thought that surprise attacks dmg increase would be better, but what do i know

worldly grotto
stuck fern
weak acorn
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Hello! I need help. Currently leveling a rogue for BC, horde side. I'm attempting the Mission: Possible But Not Probable quest. I can kill the mobs with ease, but Silixiz's Tower Key is giving me issues. I will pickpocket, it will come up, I'll click on the item (no Auto Loot cause was causing issues), it says received. I'll kill him to be fair to others doing quest and it wont show in inventory. Then I wait to do this again, and when I pickpocket my toon leans in, leans out. Nothing happens. Doesnt say "Theyve already had their pockets picked" or anything similar. I do use Elvui, and turned it off to see. No difference. Eventually gave up to continue leveling but super frustrated.

Thanks! Sorry I know this is long.

near pier
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Oh, I literally had the exact same issue, @weak acorn!
My quest log was saying I hadn't pick pocketed it - it said I'd completed every other objective, but was 0/1 on the tower key - but the quest had actually completed, without telling me.
If you return to the trainer in org, you should be able to hand it in regardless!

raven snow
#

jsut some npc's chillin in the lake

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weak acorn
#

it worked!*

pallid trellis
#

could anyone link the go to pvp talent build if im using 2x swords ?

jolly walrus
#

which should you prio more, faster OH speed or higher min/max roll for MH?

raven snow
#

Is hemorrhage rogue a thing again like it was in vanilla

spark mist
#

I think its the only way to play in arena

desert hazel
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not the only one but it will the most prominent spec. Shs/Hemo

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HArP and Muti will find their niche spots but in the <5% department

patent forge
#

i'm trying to find a middle ground between a pvp/pve build. you think hemo/prep/cb is still decent dps for pve content?

rigid yacht
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not really

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rogues already don’t do amazing damage early phases i wouldn’t gimp yourself even more

glacial reef
#

What spec are you guys using for pre-patch PvP?

loud tree
#

i think most everyone is either subt daggers for the one shots or subt hemo

half hamlet
#

r14 mainhand + perdition's blade OH or r14 mainhand + core hound tooth OH ?

dense spade
#

cht

half hamlet
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but why ?

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because stats i guess

dense spade
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idk how its in pre patch if anything has changed, but yeah stats and higher attack speed

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the difference is minor though

half hamlet
#

alright. thank you very much:D

dense spade
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if you are going for pvp, 100% cht

desert hazel
#

yes

half hamlet
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okay nice. ye makes sense with stats but wasnt 100% sure

desert hazel
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with 70 OH becomes more important

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but even now i'd stick with a faster OH with stats

half hamlet
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okay ye. but it's not worth it for me to waste another 20k honor for the pvp OH right ?

desert hazel
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guess it's comparable to BM hunters, enjoying it as long it lasts

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it's legit but will be over soon

desert hazel
#

you will collect offhands soon enough 🙂

half hamlet
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okay nice :3 ty

desert hazel
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need at least 3 good and fast ones

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but right now

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use whatever you have access to

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if you run Naxx a last time you could go for MSA. its seldom on any prio list and it's a beast of a pvp mainhand. would make R14 obsolete

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the proc is amazing actually

spark mist
#

Anyone knows why this macro doesnt work for focus gouge, but it works for focus sap? >.>

#showtooltip
/cast [nostealth] Gouge
/cast [nostealth,mod:shift,@focus] Gouge
/cast [stealth,nomod] Sap
/cast [stealth,mod:shift,@focus] Sap

placid bough
#

hvan't tested but looks like u missed nomod in the first gouge condition

somber maple
#

@spark mist bad positioning maybe? You can sap from anywhere, have to be in front for gouge

hollow shale
#

Y’all still playing classic or tbc?

desert hazel
#

tbc

faint pier
#

Is this true??

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fierce jacinth
karmic wraith
#

Which is the best spec in classic now?

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combat?

plush vigil
#

Yes

bleak vector
#

How active is classic now days

thorn field
subtle knoll
#

Does anyone know if there is a difference in the effectiveness of Tormented's dagger of necrotic wounding depending on how many people take it? It looks like it stacks to 10 more easily with more people, but I'm not sure if the damage is then capping or something like that

#

sorry if wrong channel not sure where to post

final olive
#

Hey with the SoM realm that is coming soon, is there any chance that we have changes on our poisons/rotation (like including bleed) or it's still the same as the old classic ?

livid palm
#

Doubtful

final olive
#

That's what I thought !

celest wasp
#

How much %hit is needed outside of the 5% from talents to be hit capped

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Assuming i'm a human sword rogue

final olive
#

You need a total of 9% hit rating I believe
8% if you're facing lvl 60 mobs, 9% if you're facing lvl 63 mob (raid bosses)
Human sword rogue have +5 to sword so they need 2% less hit to reach the cap (assuming you're 300 on sword)
So that's 5% from talent + 2% from human perks you need only 2% to reach 9%
@celest wasp

Feel free to correct me if i'm wrong

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Please note that the 9% cap is only for abilities from behind a boss. In front he can still dodge/parry/block of course
Auto attack are 24.6% hit rate which is not advise to go for.

sour grove
#

having +5 weapon skill actually gives you effectively 3% hit, you get +2% to hit and lose 1% chance to miss. so yellow hit cap actually becomes 8% so you need 1% chance to hit from gear to get yellow hit cap as a sword rogue since you can get+5 skill from talents. as a human you can get the 308 "softcap" from talents to reduce glancing down to a 5% penalty.

urban moon
#

Anyone know if deadly poison/rupture will be viable in season of mastery?

hybrid wraith
#

Class balance won’t change

lament yarrow
#

how would 4 pc darkmantle be early on for pvp?

#

i know the boots are good

#

but the 4 pc proc?

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or 6 pc DM and 2 pc blue pvp

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talking pre raid

toxic flare
#

Talking SoM here:

Can a nelf dagger rogue compete with human swords in PvE?

Also for PvP, are daggers good? Is it more burst with dagger, more control with sword?

livid palm
#

yes and yes

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swords in pvp is a different play style as you dont go backstab builds

inner pawn
#

do we know what time tomorrow it releases

west sequoia
livid palm
#

3.5 hours to go!

inner pawn
#

is the pins talent build still up to date?

blazing night
#

hey, I have never played classic nor have I played rogue. I have play a lot of Retail WoW since BfA and Im wondering if classic is "harder" to "master" than retail is and how hard is it to play rogue in classic

livid palm
#

wouldnt say harder, just different

proven nova
#

It's different

#

Timing spells with autos and stuff

#

especially if you play Imp EA

blazing night
#

so as combat rogue do you play sword/dagger oder dual sword ?

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cuz some1 said high attack speed dagger in off hand for energy regen

livid palm
#

lol your weapon choice doesnt change energy regen

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and when you play combat you spec sword or dagger so using both is dumb

blazing night
#

ah okay so just dual wield sword, yes ?

livid palm
#

yup

icy plaza
#

which site has the best talent tree for leveling/laterß

inner pawn
#

I qot question regarding this quest " [[24] Mission: Possible But Not Probable (2478)]" aka poison, I killed the foreman like 4 times and no head can be looted?

dull cape
#

Would using deadly poison on a slow hard hitting sword MH and instant on a fast sword OH be ideal? or how does using deadly work

#

for bosses that will take long enough ofc for deadly to make a difference

tribal quiver
#

im new to classic and i wanted to know if its valid to have a sword on one hand and in the other a dagger in leveling

livid palm
livid palm
tribal quiver
#

thanks

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:)

raven snow
#

why does it have to be impossible to find a tank in SoM?

tame ferry
#

Is it worth leveling as hemo from around 30 for the pvp advantage on a pvp server? Or does it not outweigh the leveling speed of combat?

livid palm
#

Play whatever’s fun for you

formal portal
#

Is Lobotomizer+Distracting Dagger better than Krol/Zeal+Mirah's?

#

In the context of raiding

#

Planning to get exalted for the ring and was wondering picking up daggers

nova solstice
#

Yo

alpine river
#

Does anyone have the numbers on Dalrend Main hand Felstriker Off Hand vs. Dalrends Main Hand Dalrend Off Hand? (Human Rogue)

livid palm
#

There’s no point in mixing sword and dagger. Pick one and spec into it

round iron
#

Hey guys, is there a SoM spreadsheet for BiS items?

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I'm new to this discord and rogues in general, any help welcome.
Please reply to my post if you decide to answer 😉

round iron
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Noone? 😦

versed garnet
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Hello, I have a question on classic combat leveling rotation. Most guides recommend (CS into) SS into Eviscerate. In my experience this is only good vs. weak, low level and cloth mobs. If the mobs a strong, i. e. high armor (Garrote into) SS into Rupture is much better as it bleeds through armor.

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And besides that, is SnD worth it, without the talent in the assa tree?

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What is the best rotation in your view?

signal ember
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No point using rupture in classic, damage isn't worth it and you're better off using evis if your snd already rolling

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The only time you rupture is on rogue in wpvp or bleed more plates

brittle zinc
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think combat/sub spec is viable?

worn harbor
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Is there a current bis list for season of mastery

onyx mesa
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4pc t0.5, r14 pvp weapons, whatever offpieces you can find

worn harbor
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thanks

barren tartan
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Is it worth using 6 piece shadowcraft over devilsaur set if I still have 9% hit as a human with swords? Starting 0.5 chain soon but a little behind because I rerolled

livid palm
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No

barren tartan
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oh no now im extra confused because sims are saying otherwise

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sims are saying its an increase

onyx mesa
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if sims say increase, then do it

raven basin
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what sims are you using?

onyx mesa
raven basin
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ty I use simonize but trying to source more to compare 🙂

onyx mesa
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I would also recommend joining his server, you'll get much better/faster answers than asking here or the classic rogue server

languid sun
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... It's so quiet here ...

onyx mesa
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yeah because there's like 5 discords for classic, lmao

ruby bridge
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That was a deliberate decision. I think the main appeal is to have full control over how you promote information instead of only having one section.

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A separate discord just has the comfort to only offer the specific niche you want to cover and only has people join who are interested in it.

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There where just not enough interest from people who are already on the server, even tho i still think there was also some questionable tactics used to convince people to join a splitter server (e.g. people did not answer questions but say "you would get a answer in <links server>" what is technically against our promotion rules)

amber yew
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How good/bad is the sub pvp spec for raiding? Like how much worse in % would it be? Gear being equal

onyx mesa
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Iirc it's in the ballpark of ~10%, if not even more of a loss

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And that's on single target, not accounting for the loss in overall damage from not having blade flurry

amber yew
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okey ty

terse sparrow
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hi all - i have mirah's song, assasination blade, trash blade, and skull forge reaver - what combo should i run with? ty in advance

onyx mesa
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thrash+mirahs probably

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you'll replace them doing questing in outland tho

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like, quickly

amber yew
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Hey, what order are you supposed to take gnomish/goblin engineering to get the best of them both? or is that still possible in SoM?

onyx mesa
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gnomish for battle chicken, then drop and relevel as goblin to make your own sappers

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nfi if it's possible in som, since i haven't touched it - and battle chicken invalidates logs in tbc now

amber yew
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okey cool ty

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should we use double Thrash Blades as human sword rogue when leveling?

onyx mesa
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i assume that's som? probably, sword is good

ivory crest
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hello im a fellow enh shaman, im aiming to play rogue in wotlk. Which race do u suggest for pve Orc or Troll ?

hearty grail
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Human

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Every man for himself omegalul

deep lagoon
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in TBC, I hear that WF no longer resets auto-attack timers and has a 3s internal cooldown. Does this mean that timing sinister-strikes using a weapon swing timer is obsolete? Rather should we be timing SS to a Windfury cooldown timer?

onyx mesa
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can't confirm the icd off the top of my head, but you don't need to time your sinisters in tbcc

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@deep lagoon

crude spindle
# deep lagoon in TBC, I hear that WF no longer resets auto-attack timers and has a 3s internal...

Hi Erazer,

Windfury Weapon in TBC has a 3 second internal cooldown, but this is the weapon-imbue that shamans use on their own weapons.

Windfury Totem in TBC does not have any internal cooldown. It can only trigger from auto attacks.

Since Windfury Totem cannot trigger from Sinister Strikes or your other abilities, and Sword Spec also does not reset swing timer, timing Sinister Strikes with your weapon swing timer is obsolete in TBC for a rogue.

onyx mesa
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Pog simon in the retail disc

crude spindle
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its true

tender plover
jaunty condor
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Guys is Dst usefull on Wotlk or there's better options ?

karmic field
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Is assa gonna be the go to for leveling from 70-80?

tiny cipher
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anyone playing classic

carmine river
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Ew

edgy hound
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anyone happen to know how much the troll/orc racials add to dps in comparision to Undead/Belf? Primarly looking at Assassination for Wotlk?

zinc epoch
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As orc you can do more dps I think or last time I played wotlk was like that

zinc epoch
slate cedar
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I believe from what ive read orcs are better with pvp due to their hardiness passive and trolls are better at pve due to their regeneration ability.

slate cedar
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are there any sub rogue addons anyone would like to recommend?

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for classic

slate cedar
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never mind. I found a good guide for addons for rogues.

atomic vessel
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Looking to get back into TBC. Which server has equal horde/alliance representation and a higher population? Looking for US sever. Thanks!

austere kettle
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Any good or complete leveling guide? (Talents, weapon enchants, tips , weapon progression)

idle zealot
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hello evryone

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anyone know the weight value of 1 dps 1 max damage 1 min damage compared to 1 attack power

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can't find anywhere the value

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its for my "pawn" profile

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or knowing witch weapon is better is not that hard so i don't need third party opinion ?

vagrant girder
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Which poisons should i use on my Alliance Rogue? Double instant?

modern crypt
cold vapor
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hey, guys, im planning to play a rogue in WOTLK, but theres so much conflicting infomation on what horde race to go for PVE, Orc or troll, people say there are pros and cons to both races, Assassination seems to be the better spec all throughout WOTLK, so Troll seems better in that case, but some fights combat might be better, which then Orc is the go to.... im just wondering if anyone could give me some more info on what race i should pick, mostly going to be doing PVE not really interested in PVP, thanks!

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edit: seems as though people have been chatting above about my question... haha.... didnt notice, sorry.

charred flax
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does anyone know of an addon that tallies the amount of pickpocketing gold you've looted for TBC? i had one for season of mastery but im having trouble finding one for tbc.

sly shuttle
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I feel like many players tends to believe rogue in PvP is kinda meh due to the overtune of every classes

wary sleet
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which poisons are best while leveling in the 50s?

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I've been using instantx2 but should i think about switching mh out for deadly at some point?

wanton prairie
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For wotlk minmax you can look for Aldriana spreadsheets.

supple cliff
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Hey lads as a budding rogue at level 54 how are things looking for me if I follow through into Wrath?
I'm also looking at engineer for professions

supple cliff
wary sleet
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Yea I switched to deadly on one weapon shortly after I made that post and the mobs feels like they die much faster now

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Instantx2 was good when everything died in 5sec but fights at lvl50 are a bit longer lol

supple cliff
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deadly i believe is just a ticking dot and the other is just a quick application, the damage is AROUND the same but im finding the longer fights to need dots

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yeah exactly, good call

floral hornet
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Someone just told me they have windfury out so i dont need poisons on in classic... lol. is that actually a thing? they think they dont stack. Are they crazy?

hushed oxide
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They dont

slate latch
floral hornet
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Gotcha thanks

modern crypt
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Do maces overtake swords in WOTLK for pvp? Due to armor pen?

lilac spire
modern crypt