subtlety

[tepid trellis]

with EVERYTHING

[lucid jackal]

https://tenor.com/view/pig-gif-13058054891114581167

[tribal vortex]

Idk who is trolling anymore

[lucid jackal]

You need to have 700 haste when ur in combat

Whethers thats flasks, oils, it doesn't matter

U need 700

[tribal vortex]

the last 5 minutes have felt like an eon

[grim wasp]

I see so been wasting oil

[dusky yacht]

Then you need to calculate your haste as 700 - the sum of all buffs giving haste..

[grim wasp]

After haste is it mastery or crit?

[lucid jackal]

both

[tribal vortex]

sim yourself

[thin sinew]

[grim wasp]

I did i put all what is good i crafted with haste and mastery should have gone crit mastery

[bright briar]

okay lets say you got 700 haste going into battle does it matter if you over cap that by an extra 50 rating?

[lucid jackal]

Thats not ideal

But its not going to kill you

[tepid trellis]

rather a lil too much than too little

[thin sinew]

50 under is WAY worse just going above you leave damage on the table

[lucid jackal]

^

[bright briar]

okay thank you sir!

[dusky yacht]

With silver oils I need 72 more haste

[chrome palm]

At the same time though, being 50 over is like having no Ring enchants or like missing 2 gems

In terms of wasted stat

It literally does nothing for your damage beyond that 680-700 number

[tribal vortex]

energy regen outside dance

[tepid trellis]

had a sim the other day where it wanted me to go over 800

[tribal vortex]

one extra backstab in a 5min fight

[tepid trellis]

its just stats being fcking weird

[chrome palm]

Ryldd was saying his was doing that too

[tepid trellis]

when breakpoints exist

[chrome palm]

Mine wants like 600 on the sim or something

[tribal vortex]

600-620 is normal

[thin sinew]

Yeh it depends where you are in terms of gearing if that matters or not. no point spending a fortune regeming and enchanting only to replace 1 bit of champ gear with myth or hero then have to do it all over again

[tribal vortex]

that is what it should be doing

[chrome palm]

Thank you blizzard the spec is so intuitive

[thin sinew]

Well the sim aims for 600-650 from what i understand as no latency/human element we need the extra 50

[dusky yacht]

Christ now I need not only Xenas but also PoS or MT on top of it for cloak/belt

[tribal vortex]

just get to 550

and use flask

problem solved

[dusky yacht]

I mean I got 618 with silver oils, I'd rather just farm for the drops I guess, in raid I seemed to be able to get double sectecs in just fine with mastery flask

Not sure how or why tho like what else is there that is giving me the haste lmao

[grim wasp]

Is there a channel on what to press on what fights or good rogue players in raid hsving a channel?

[tribal vortex]

700 is not for double ST it is for 2 extra globals in SD

2 ST should be doable with 4 set and guidon

[dusky yacht]

Aha okay

Well at least I know what to work on

Evis more and get 700 haste with oils

[warm marlin]

it does do it randomly sometimes

maybe related to the sim deepening bug

[brisk onyx]

Honestly, the fact that we're arguing about how many haste to use as a breakpoint makes me feel like I've gone back 15 years. even casters probably don't care about these things anymore

[warm marlin]

has been chill for a while though

[dusky yacht]

It's because we are tryharding since we're a low dps tier class/spec

[thin sinew]

Like i have a stock of cloaks/bracers/boots with different haste combos purely so i can fine tune when i get upgrades

[cobalt lance]

so when ancient arts proc i use the evisecrate and then i do shadow strike again to proc it into eviscrate and shadow strike and thats how i utilize the shadow dance to cast more shadow strikes is that good or bad and should i cast shadow dance into secret tehnique or should i do secret teq into shadow dance shadow strike because i was using that and doing more damage

[brisk onyx]

I don't mean to criticize these discussions; I mean, it's a bit surreal that dance has ended up like this (and maybe we should also pay attention to lag tolrance)

[thin sinew]

Shadow dance > secret tech only force Apex proc when you have supercharged combo points

!aa

[wicked jolt]

Apex talent optimization:

• Is shadow dance up? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Do you have 5 or more stacks of shadow techniques? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Do you have Darkest Night up OR A supercharged combo point? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Is ancient arts up? - :x: No
  Use Shadowstrike (even if on full cp).

[dusky yacht]

Yeah a lot about Rogue feels surreal tbh

[cobalt lance]

i do less dps when i do that

[dusky yacht]

Like some in my guild are like "bro you are playing a two button dps class" and i'm sitting here like mf I have to optimise for my on use trinket please

(They're just messing though I'm actually one of the higher rank dps on meters in the guild)

[alpine wraith]

optimize trinket usage

and when to pop second dance

and also know when you can sneak extra dances

or get super chargers in downtiem

cool spec

[dusky yacht]

And the guy "bullying" me most is playing dev dh

The irony is kinda hilarious

Anyway the sim is definitely screaming for me to get the drops in m+s so I have my haste higher

Should net me 2k dps just from that

Nevermind 2.5k christ sake

This fking thing I am so cursed

[brisk onyx]

Two buttons presses are a phrase I often hear, but they don't realize that sub is a spec that can be penalized for missing one or two gcd, especially since our current dps isn't ideal.

[dusky yacht]

Yeah they're just shittalking, they also like to say I'm slacking in keys etc but I'm barely behind the dev dh lmao

Plus I just figured out that I need to use finisher way more in dance

I hope I beat him in keys once I get my haste sorted and get used to the finishers thing

Gonna be glorious

[swift tinsel]

good luck beating an awake ddh as sub

[dusky yacht]

I'm about 15k dps overall behind atm but my haste was worse than I thought and I was going for AA before EVERY finisher in dances

[short aurora]

Drop the haste and go for big mastery

Only play first pull mic drop and leave key

[undone ridge]

can u aoe kick with distract?

[short aurora]

No

[undone ridge]

._.

[short aurora]

Mobs dont have adhd

[thin sinew]

that killed me

[short aurora]

[dusky yacht]

[fair stump]

If I have 13% haste (431), is it better to take a haste flask or a mastery flask?

[lucid jackal]

u need 700 haste

[fair stump]

I have pretty bad luck with haste gear

[lucid jackal]

If haste flask gets u to 700 then yeah

Use haste flask

[fair stump]

It gets me to 17%

[lucid jackal]

need 700!

Farm some more gear

[fair stump]

Huh, the haste is not reflected on my character profile, but adding them up gets me on 761

[lucid jackal]

wdym

R u goblin/nelf

[fair stump]

yeh, nelf

[lucid jackal]

nelf gives haste

[fair stump]

oh

[lucid jackal]

Only sometimes though

Like I said, u just need to get to 700 rating

LOoking at %s are wonky

Oils exist too

[fair stump]

I see that the neck from crown gives 200 haste

I guess I need to change my ring, boots and neck then

[torn tide]

welp time to switch to nelf

[lucid jackal]

no

If ur swapping races for damage go pandaren

[tribal blade]

i'm doing a delve and just had the thought "....aaaaand sectec in 2nd dance with CB and ramped flag huge"

[torn tide]

i was kidding lol im not switching race for that 1% haste at night

or day

i forgot

[torn tide]

is it for the well fed buff?

[lucid jackal]

ya

[tribal blade]

sadly the nelf haste doesn't count to extending dance duration

since it only counts haste rating

[jade oasis]

im being denied padding.

[tribal blade]

i assume that's 2nd boss, i did that too

[lilac moss]

U also get shadowmeld which is a free shadowstrike

[jade oasis]

ye vorasius

[tribal blade]

you can still get a very good parse on that boss just staying on boss

since your uptime is better

[jade oasis]

yeah im pretty happy abt it

bc

i dont feel like running back

[tribal blade]

don't have to do the dance with the rings

and stepping around

[dusky yacht]

Goddamned mw tank in xenas 10 repeatedly fails pathing, misses 9% after last boss and before the run he said "sub is ez mode i guess", we also wiped like 5 times

kill me

[short radish]

if someone told me I was going to miss flag

i'd have called them a silly billy

but here i am now

missing flag

[coarse raven]

I see a lot of puzzle box played, is it better than Guidon ?

[short radish]

in m+ and also some people dont have guidon

[tall girder]

No guidon yet fim

[oblique edge]

hey guys just downloaded the fgame sinc df

is this spec too easy now what is this?

[lucid jackal]

Its a fair bit easier now but I'd argue it wasn't that hard to begin with tbqh

[oblique edge]

no shuriken tornado O.O

[lucid jackal]

tornado was a stinky button

I never liked it personally

[upbeat sorrel]

2 of the 4 buttons you press will be macros

Quite easy mode now yes

[oblique edge]

i mean no flag, no rupture, maccabre not stacking, is there even anything to track now?

[lucid jackal]

flag was just a button u pressed before blades, u didn't really play around it or need to track it all tbf

[oblique edge]

it was def smtn you tracked in big pull in m+

and stacked with rupture

[lucid jackal]

why?

[oblique edge]

it was s o much damage intosectec

[lucid jackal]

U didn't change ur sequencing with it

U just pressed it before blades

[oblique edge]

i mean without flag u would have sent sectec asap

with flag first you rupture everyrhing for staacks

no?

nvm it was a year ago

[odd jacinth]

what was the number targets wehre you chose shadowstrike over shrukien and sending evis over BP

[shrewd lantern]

you still sent sectech early

with flag

[lucid jackal]

Shadowstrike on 3 or less
BP on 2 or more, unless you really want prio damage. But by 3 targets u for sure wanna be BPing

[odd jacinth]

ok ty, and is storm outside of dance prio on 2+ or still send BS

[lucid jackal]

ya storm on 2

outside of dance

[short radish]

surely next week

[short radish]

you sent one rupture then just did your rotation normally

[odd jacinth]

ty fren

[tall girder]

Prayge

I’m hoping for myth gaze on the dh

[short radish]

manifesting a myth gaze on my ret pal

and myth guidon on my rogue

then i can enjoy my time on the bench comfy

[torn tide]

oh yea

[oblique edge]

do we manually press slice and dice now?

[short radish]

no

[sour quiver]

How good is defensives for this class in terms of M+ runs?

[oblique edge]

how do we get it?

[short radish]

depends.

[short radish]

eviscerate

auto applies it

[sour quiver]

I was hoping its good enough to have defensives for M+ runs and not be defeated too fast.

[short radish]

yeah and the answer to that is

it depends

if youre doing 10s

then yeah it's pretty good

if youre p*shing then it's not as good unless you take feint DR talent

which then you don't have cheat death

[oblique edge]

this must have been asked a hundred times sorry but

[lucid jackal]

ur g

[oblique edge]

anything we can now use insteadd of weakauras?

[short radish]

!ui

[wicked jolt]

Essential:

• ArcUI / BetterCDM - Enhanced Cooldown Manager.
• WangBar / SensaiBar - Resource bar (when using blizzard CDM)
• MSUF / UUF - Unit frame mods.
• Platynator - Nameplate Addon.
  Quality of Life:
• Buff Reminders - Food/Flask/Poison Reminder.
• WilduTools - QOL enhancements.
• Mute Cold Blood sound
• **The first dance tracker

[short radish]

kinda yes

but also kinda no

instead of weakauras you now have each indiviudal weakaura as a separate addon if what it's trying to do can be done

[oblique edge]

but not really a way to make your own

trackers and stuff

ig

[short radish]

unless you do some vibe coding

[oblique edge]

aight ty

[short radish]

no wukkas

[oblique edge]

ngl i kinda feel sad about this

subtlety changes

[short radish]

we all do brotherman

but nothing we can do except play the game

[tall girder]

Come p*sh key on ret with me fim

[short radish]

no p*shing is cringe

[torn tide]

lol are there not gonna be any class changes tmr?

[short radish]

tbh im still tossing up whether i do it on ret or not

[torn tide]

ew ret

[short radish]

im still contemplating playing sin

[tall girder]

Sin is pre good I had one in a 18sr last night

Bc ddh has like no prio damage kingsbane target doesn’t die

[short radish]

yeah having prio is nice

[torpid heath]

Is it worth trying to learn Assasin too? I feel like i be energy starving every 2 buttoms with it

[short radish]

being full pad just feels bad

[oblique edge]

is sub the better spec now in m+ ?

[short radish]

as a class that only has dps roles, you should always be able to play at least 2 of them

or at least 1.5 of them

[tall girder]

Both sin and sub are alright in keys

[tidal solstice]

true of any class really

[short radish]

well if it's an entirely different role then youre a bit more excused

but OTP on pure dps classes don't go that far

[tidal solstice]

yeh feel that

[short radish]

because of how balancing works

[oblique edge]

wdym

[short radish]

in general (not rogue) one class will always have a spec that's strong in a certain scenario

example mage

where whatever is meta rotates through each season

sometimes fire, sometimes frost, sometimes arcane

[tidal solstice]

druid rn is feasting. meta healer, top dps spec, decent tank.

[short radish]

and usually one of those specs are also in the bin

so you gotta know how to swap to another spec

rogue is also kinda same

except you only really have 2 viable specs

and theyre both in the bin atm (not really in m+ though but theres other class issues)

[tidal solstice]

never knew healing was so easy cause id never tried it before. the first time i even tried resto i went and down nallleus ?? on 3rd try. I'll never really get that feeling on rogue I think.

[short radish]

yeah slightly hot take but healing is probably the easiest role in wow

except at ultra high end raiding maybe

[oblique edge]

minmaxing resto druid is easy?

[tall girder]

I think tank might be the easiest role in keys

[oblique edge]

resto dudu skill ceiling is so high imo

[short radish]

like youre just vibing 90% of the time

[tall girder]

Job is to not die

[lucid jackal]

LMFAO

[tidal solstice]

i was healing 8s the first night i tried m+ and had bothered to setup a UI and mouseover casting. druid has crazy toolkit for m+

and no tanks rn are suffering unless brew

[short radish]

yeah hard disagree on that

granted im on prot paladin

[lucid jackal]

Yeah you only have to route the entire dungeon

[short radish]

but every moment i feel in danger

also yeah routes suck

[fickle jacinth]

!guidon

[wicked jolt]

Light Company Guidon (haste on use) Optimization:
When? - Only with the Season 1 4-set bonus and Guidon.
How? - During Shadow Blades, line up your second Shadow Dance with the last 8 seconds of Shadow Blades instead of using them back-to-back.
Why? - This allows you to fit another Secret Technique into Shadow Blades+Shadow Dance. It will not be supercharged but thats ok in this scenario.

[short radish]

fuck MC

[tall girder]

Mc first part is pretty Aids

[tidal solstice]

i realyl hope they just give tanks back their autonomy so more start showing up.

[short radish]

give shamans, warlocks and rogues a tank spec

[tidal solstice]

its ok to admit their experiment failed. id rather brick a key cause we miss a dps check than because a tanks health is just instantly exploding

[chrome palm]

they mustve recoded cloak or something

so much ticking damage piercing it

or reclassified what it works against

[tidal solstice]

yeh its a soft immunity wtf that is

can we talk about xalataths bargain? like every class has a low CD to get rid of it it seems but we are expected to use our survival CDs for it that are both on 2m cds? sigh.

[random mason]

Just play gnome

[tall girder]

Which one is that

[random mason]

And u have racial for every single one

[random mason]

The current DoT one

[tidal solstice]

https://tenor.com/view/wait-what-judging-james-franco-gif-14810786

[tall girder]

Warlocks are basically tanks already

[random mason]

We do need more tank specs in general

Id tank a lot more if i didnt have to play 2 chars for it

[short radish]

demo/meta should have been a tank spec for warlocks

[short radish]

and shamans have the ability to genrate threat

or at least did

and rogues just need an alternative role

[tall girder]

Alchemist rogue

Throw vials to heal and buff

[random mason]

Imo for rogue we either need an insane raid buff AND lust or a non dps spec

[short radish]

i just want a raid buff

3% crit

[random mason]

Cause thats what the other dps only classes have

[short radish]

and we're saved to a certain extent

[random mason]

Actually id take a CR too

Instead of BL

[short radish]

i'd rather lust tbh but it doesnt work thematically with rogue

[tall girder]

Bring back improved expose armor

[short radish]

neither does a CR

[random mason]

Steal someone back from the dead idk

They can make it work thematically

Its either that or we so enough dmg to not need utility

Which doesnt work

[short radish]

damage is a band aid fix that doesnt solve any of our real issues

[random mason]

Yeah i know, thats why i said it doesnt work

[short radish]

ye

[lucid jackal]

[random mason]

Shoulda just critted like 4 more times

[short radish]

should have used r2 pots instead of r1

[lucid jackal]

Oh the boss died

Photo finish

[short radish]

gzgzgz

[tribal blade]

we just killed lura and i had 300 ms for the entire pull

what a nightmare

[sterile nacelle]

!log

[tidal solstice]

i think making it our poisons is perfect. atrophic poison no longer reduces damage dealt but rather increases dmg taken by 3.6%.

done. its so easy so of course blizz will try everything else first

and raids would be drooling to get a rogue for a multiplier.

[tribal blade]

would be far better as an aura

as you can see when it's applied by poison

to targets

it causes problems

like valeera poison aura

would be better

[tidal solstice]

you know blizz will never balance rogues the way they do all other classes. we are still held to a vanilla standard

[short radish]

no poisons suck

and are part of our DR issue atm

where it just doesnt work randomly

on certain things

[tidal solstice]

id be fine with it being an aura, but i realyl think not using poison for it in some way is missing a golden opportunity

[short radish]

it needs to be an actual raid buff

[tidal solstice]

i dont want another button >_<

[short radish]

idk if it's "applies a poison to your party members"

but none of this aura shit

or poison shit

[tidal solstice]

well they made poisons a personal buff instead of weapon buff, can exstend a poison to be a raidwide application

[short radish]

yeah

idk auras also then get funky if youre in different phases (maybe?)

also range stuff

i mean i guess it's a "hunters mark"

but then that's also dogshit for council fights

[torn tide]

im pretty tempted to go to sin too, i used to main it but havent played it since before the prepatch stuff rolled in

[tidal solstice]

an aura wouldnt be a multiplier. likely just addiitive in some way

putting a debuff up that increases dmg taken would be

id MUCH rather have a poison that increases dmg taken by a % than say, 3% crit

[short radish]

3% crit is just honor amongst thieves returned

[tidal solstice]

crit isnt valued the same across specs
flat dmg increase pretty much is

[short radish]

yeah but it's still a raid buff

same way of mastery and vers

from shaman/druid

i just want something nice simple and neat

thats not going to also break the game

and easy to add

i do agree a poison making increased damage taken or even something like expose armor

would be nice and thematic as well

but that feels a much harder sell to blizzard

[swift tinsel]

That’s if they even plan on doing anything about it

[short radish]

surely

[swift tinsel]

Like imagine they give us some now-required buff and people flock to the spec in droves and suddenly Blizz starts taking fixes seriously

Bc there’s so many more eyes on the jank

[short radish]

one can only dream

[swift tinsel]

https://tenor.com/view/if-he-wanted-to-he-would-johnny-orlando-if-he-wanted-to-he-would-song-if-hes-interested-he-will-do-something-if-he-wants-to-he-will-do-something-gif-27112919

To John Blizzard

[silver hearth]

is there still a place in this discord where logs are reviewed?

[versed fiber]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[random mason]

You can do !log and someone might wanna go dig through it

[silver hearth]

!log

[silver hearth]

Thank you

[tribal blade]

@short radish is every instance of dmg on paladins aoe

[short radish]

fucked if i know. i just press feint and pray

i wouldnt think every instance of damage is aoe though

felt like all the important damage parts were aoe though

[tribal blade]

BASED

[short radish]

crimson vial goes hard as well

[sonic depot]

Bro i miss evis cleaving. Having almost zero prio dmg when you aoe feels so ass

[short radish]

same brotherman

[kind fern]

!up

[wicked jolt]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1488547832062415010/drop_fixed.png

[river fog]

Guys, we need 18% (650–700) Haste, right?

SO.. the 700 haste breakpoint counting or not counting the on-use haste trinkets?

[violet palm]

Not counting. Weapon oils count though

[river fog]

thx

[celest mulch]

!aa

[wicked jolt]

Apex talent optimization:

• Is shadow dance up? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Do you have 5 or more stacks of shadow techniques? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Do you have Darkest Night up OR A supercharged combo point? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Is ancient arts up? - :x: No
  Use Shadowstrike (even if on full cp).

[alpine veldt]

silly sub question.. does sub always overrun energy? seems like my gcd is too slow and i keep maxxing out my energy waiting for evis or coup. sitting at 654 haste rating

[lucid jackal]

Yes

You have unlimited energy in CDs and bad energy outside of CDs

its the design

also, get 700 haste

Its important for dance globals

[short radish]

!haste

[wicked jolt]

Secret Techniques cooldown gets reduced by all haste sources, while Shadow Dances duration only gets increased by Haste Rating from gear or consumables. When using an on-use haste trinket, make sure to use it a bit before Shadow Dance to get the extended duration.
The recommended ~700 haste gives you two additional globals in Shadow Dance and Guidon will grant one extra on top of that.

[alpine veldt]

ahh, understood, ty

[dusky yacht]

Guys would this macro work for pot priority depending on what's in my inventory?

#showtooltip
/stopcasting
/cast Shadow Blades
/use [combat]item:245898
/use [combat]item:245897
/use [combat]item:241308
/use [combat]item:241309

For some reason my macros broke for rank 1 pots and I have no idea why, they were working last week when I would put higher ranks in bank

[short radish]

it should but also #subtlety message

this guy had something wacky happenign with his macro

[tribal blade]

using step on paladins

feels like playing with fate

the amount of times i've stepped into a shield

[short radish]

yeah

i just cop the downtime

[tribal blade]

yeah so not worth stepping

holy

[short radish]

not unless you h ave cheat death

[dusky yacht]

Yeah I'm using this one now

Seems to work so far

Apparently should prioritise fleeting -> highest rank -> lowest rank of potential

[short radish]

yes

it does

[dusky yacht]

[vast lake]

What Stat would ya'll take on your Gaze? Speed or Leech? Cause I have two 6/6 Hero ones now one with each and cant decide

[dusky yacht]

wtf

I mean hmm

If you got issues dodging pick speed, if you don't pick Leech

I'd pick Leech

[vast lake]

Yeah, got one Gaze out of Vault then the Weekly 4 Myth dungeon quest gave me another

[dusky yacht]

Sick congrats

[dusky yacht]

I got the champion from normal randomly when I was doing a guild alt run for fun lmao

[vast lake]

Thanks lol

[dusky yacht]

I was just happy to throw puzzle tf out the window

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923750073499648/1487567692931010621/puzzlebox.gif

And I got champ guidon somehow too

Sucks ilvl wise but eh so be it

So happy we got this today tho

[vast lake]

Hell yeah Brother

We are just doing H atm, sitting 8/9

[dusky yacht]

We were at saladbar wiping like crazy at the end of the raid, last attempts were decent tho

[vast lake]

On Myth?

[dusky yacht]

Yeah

We've done all heroic

[vast lake]

Hes like the easiest boss on H, What makes him hard on Myth?

[dusky yacht]

Hmm

Prolly just people failing tbh

And not watching the videos beforehand

Like eventually they understand but it's a bit obvious they're not studying beforehand

[vast lake]

Too mnay people /kneeling to him beforehand

[dusky yacht]

Lmao

Nah like we had people dying to the beams before they started spinning

Or the add doesn't die before it touches boss

Just unacceptable shit

[vast lake]

oof

[dusky yacht]

At one point I had 13% dmg done on the orbs

I broke radio silence before next attempt to tell them we need to switch to adds sooner and then magically they always died

Cause if sectec+dance happen to be down for one we'd miss it

Like wtf

[midnight flume]

Hi, new to wow in general and wanted to start a main for rogue. Was planning to specialise in subtlety but am unable what race to choose. Any advice would help greatly

[dusky yacht]

Best is Pandaren, there is a list on the wowhead guide on sub rogue

[midnight flume]

Wowhead guide? What is that? Sorry i’m a little dumb

[dusky yacht]

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/rogue/subtlety/overview-pve-dps

Just click what you wanna look at from there

[short radish]

!guide

[wicked jolt]

Guides:

• WoWhead - by fuu
• Method - by Stealthi
• Icy Veins - by Eleem

[midnight flume]

Ah it’s a wiki. Alright gotchu thanks brother

[midnight flume]

Alright thanks!

[dusky yacht]

Should we tell bro about us being b tier tho

He doesn't know what he's getting himself into

[midnight flume]

Yea i saw ppl saying rogue is mid atm but i lwk just wanna be a rat 💀

[neon escarp]

hey guys was had been awake for 2 weeks, was jw do we still use SS on full CP during dance for AA proc on single target ?

[dusky yacht]

Bro go for it

[midnight flume]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH okok thanks brother

[dusky yacht]

Only for supercharged evis/coup

[short radish]

who cares what the people (me) say. play whatever you want and live your best life

[jade oasis]

the best currently for pve is panda, but you have to look at a panda character model which

is gross

!

[midnight flume]

I heard there’s smthg in the game called transmogs that alter appearances of ur character whilst maintaining the stats but i’m not sure if it applies to races

[dusky yacht]

That's why I'm female human ponytail rogue with black eyepatch and no tabard/cloak

[jade oasis]

it does not

[dusky yacht]

So I can look at ass, boobs and butt all day

[midnight flume]

oh

[jade oasis]

only for for armor appearances.

[midnight flume]

Ah i see… okok i’ll check it out

[jade oasis]

my rogues go as follows, female nelf, human, orc, undead , nelf , nelf

[dusky yacht]

Jesus Christ bro got rogues

[dry flame]

All wrong, no pandas or dwarves, gg go next

[brisk onyx]

Human VE BE 👍

[dusky yacht]

Punz was always into small and hairy

[eternal abyss]

Who can spare a few mins to go over a log?
Based on guides and everything, rotation is fine, yet I can’t hit those numbers. I might be missing something 🤯

[fallow nimbus]

Gear, probably gear

[dusky yacht]

If I could just get that stupid omission to drop

[fallow nimbus]

With everything on 276 it sims worse for me than light+AA ring, but i have some nasty 279 high crit neck

[fallow nimbus]

Void prison

[dusky yacht]

I'm so tired bro

[dry flame]

#transmog message

[dusky yacht]

This one is my fav

[dry flame]

https://giphy.com/gifs/laff-tv-comedy-laff-crocodile-dundee-rDeYzCwoZlvclPUhf9

[dusky yacht]

Dis me, still waiting on bloodfang shoulders before I switch to my next set

Cringemaxxus refuses to drop it

[fallow nimbus]

Spam it on 6-8. Took me like 5 keys

[dusky yacht]

I've done 14, only 1 of them first week I think

[dusky yacht]

Couldn't care less

I did make one before that I deleted like that

Let me see if I can recreate

[dry flame]

Don't say such blasphemous things Glenn, that Tmog-mob (Tmob) will come for you.

[flint parrot]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[dusky yacht]

Let them come

[outer orchid]

~fuu

[dusky yacht]

https://tenor.com/view/raccoon-rolling-roll-funny-dark-souls-gif-25412731

[outer orchid]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

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[vale pine]

good morning lovely people

[dusky yacht]

Good morning fuu

[limpid sage]

@tepid trellis's got moves

[dusky yacht]

I love raccoons so much

Gf gave me these

Man looking forward to next raid, look at how bad my SS/Evis ratio is, I was doing it completely wrong lmao, was getting AA up for every finisher in dance

[dry flame]

overcharged

[dusky yacht]

Yeah

I did some m+ after the raid last night (jk I did m+ all night basically) and my DPS went up for sure cause of it

Wonder what the diff will be on ST tho but we'll see

[dry flame]

i stopped playing sub in M+, im enjoying assa keys too much

[dusky yacht]

I switched from assas to sub and cba sorting out itemisation again

And redoing ui etc

Effort

[dry flame]

I don't have a problem with it tbh - big overlaps, i have tons of random gear in my bags, etc

nexus ring set is usable on all 3 specs

[short radish]

yeah at most you just adjust a few rings

[dusky yacht]

Fair point

But I love bp spam lowkey

And shorter cooldowns

[short radish]

it is very comfy

[dry flame]

altho finally got AA ring last night, so im looking forward to trying it out in keys later - dungeon slice sim (i know its not super accurate) gave me like +2k , which puts me over 140k now

[short radish]

if there wasn't a prio mob in every single fucking pack

i'd still play sub

[dry flame]

oh yeah, i wouldn't play assa under like a 14/15

[dusky yacht]

I swear the amount of times I save a party by having sectec dance come up and cheap shotting mobs or bursting one down

[dusky yacht]

Right yeah I'm not that into keys yet so won't consider it for now

Drove me insane as assas that shit died so fast

[dry flame]

just big shuffles and tinkering whenever i get a new piece

[dusky yacht]

Lmao I'm 276 too

But both my trinkets are champ

[dry flame]

Im solo, guildless, pug scrub, so you'll outgear me by a lot soon most likely

[dusky yacht]

Yeah I also just got really lucky with everything except omission not dropping really

Myth helm that I catalysted from vault, occlusion myth from vault, hungering victory myth on first vorasius kill

[keen dome]

Puglord, not scrub.

[dry flame]

[dusky yacht]

You'll always beat me with style Punz

And hair quantity

[dry flame]

#transmog is great for workshopping tmogs though, advices etc.
Just don't mind @strong shoal barking about bulky boots and stuff

[dusky yacht]

Lmao

I'll prolly get more into it in a while for now too much shit to do as long as I need m+ for gear still

Plus I need to get tired of bloodfang after I get shoulders

I love how that set looks ngl

[dry flame]

make sure to get the updated set when anniversary event comes back

[dusky yacht]

Yeah I'll have to remember that

At least some of the pieces are definitely an upgrade

[dusky yacht]

Gloves, boots definitely

Lowkey love old shoulders and helm tho

[dry flame]

you'll grow out of it ;d

[dusky yacht]

Also do you know when they will fix hairstyle while wearing these types of helms?

I love this hood but it makes me look like a young boy with boobs

[keen dome]

never, probably

[dusky yacht]

[dry flame]

until last week i would've said never too, but there was an interview recently with Holly, where she was talking about how they'll be focusing a lot on cosmetics and stuff in the near future

which includes hairstyles with helms

[dusky yacht]

Dear god please yes

I will 100% use this hood at some point then

Amazing looks

[dry flame]

for now, we're getting sheathe-options next patch

you can choose any 1h weap to sheathe on hip or back

[dusky yacht]

Also massive W

[keen dome]

There was an interview a while back about it, too. They talked about wanting to bring every race in line with Haranir, just a massive increase in player choice and expression in it but they weren't gonna do it piecemeal. So maybe it'll be with that, hopefully.

[dry flame]

sure hope so, character model updates were what? 12 years ago

[keen dome]

Yep

[dusky yacht]

I want this crossed on my back so bad I don't care if I'm sub with swords just give it to me

[dry flame]

you really like old ugly models 😔

XD

[dusky yacht]

I love BWL

Reminds me of a simpler time when all I had to track was my combopoints and the night elf females in my raid

[dry flame]

you want to go back to the matrix

[dusky yacht]

https://giphy.com/gifs/keanu-reeves-matrix-the-3o7btNhMBytxAM6YBa

spams sinister strike

[dry flame]

https://giphy.com/gifs/matrix-the-movie-gif-M3fYVlu7YN9Hq

[dusky yacht]

Nah but

The gear sets and especially the weapons in BWL look so much better to me than most modern stuff

It felt darker

[dry flame]

to be fair, most rogue sets we've gotten in the past few expansions have been pretty dog

[dusky yacht]

I wanted to do Shadowlands raids for tmogs and figured out I have to do the whole goddamned campaign first

[dry flame]

this tier is imo

[keen dome]

I like this tier a lot.

[dry flame]

typical human male smh

[keen dome]

true

[dry flame]

XD

[dusky yacht]

Shoulders yes, helm maybe, everything else wtf

You could say the set looks like a grim jest

[dry flame]

to me it looks extremely bland and helm is pure ugly

we've had 15 sets that look like that, most of which questing ones

[dusky yacht]

I mean look at the vibe change

Punz it's all full set we talking about the sets

Smh

[dry flame]

But yeah, I played SL and still missing so many appearances. It's very annoying to get - i probably will wait for SL remix

[dry flame]

just joking around

being a silly moose

[dusky yacht]

I was looking for hours for daggers through all of the tmogs in the not-collected list

Found these two

do complete shadowlands campaign

mfs..

Beyond that like hundreds of just ugly ass daggers tbh

[dry flame]

just a reminder you can tmog any 1h weapons now, you don't need to only mog daggers

[dusky yacht]

Yeah I've done that with swords but basically same deal to me

I'm very picky

[dry flame]

you with old sets and picky is like someone only liking dino nuggies 😄

it's totally fair, its just funny

[dusky yacht]

Well, I am autistic

I think that sums it up

[dry flame]

why would you play rogue otherwise?

amirite

[dusky yacht]

Nailed it

starts playing midnight
finds out rogue is b-tier
could still reroll
alt gearing extremely easy compared to the past
quadruples down on rogue for no reason

Idk the misery just grew on me or something

And everyone here tries so hard to explain everything even though half of it doesn't really make sense to begin with like 1 sec guidon thing etc

[vale pine]

rogue is just a very nice niche class

tuning could be better, but it is what it is

[dusky yacht]

I think that's kinda what's making it fun for me

[dry flame]

you're nice and niche

[dusky yacht]

Like sure we don't have AoE CC but nobody ever expects me to save the day when the rest screws up by actually using my stuns (omg but he's losing dps, the madman)

[dry flame]

we're getting aoe blind back, so at least something

[dusky yacht]

And Shadowstep kick feels so epic like on mythic dreamrift for example

God I love the sound of Shadowstep kick done superfast

[outer orchid]

i'm at the point where sub is performing better than sin even with full sin gems/enchants/craft stats (3% dlsice, 1% in ST)
i dont have a premade group for m+ and i can hardly get into 14s at 3100io so sin feels pointless
the M guidon dropped and nobody in my raid team wanted it so i snagged it so that gives me incentive to go sub as well
should i just swap back to sub and recraft with sub stats?
i hopped on the sin wave after the buffs went out thinking it was going to make a big difference but i'm not sure if that was a good idea or not

[dusky yacht]

I mean honestly man I don't think anyone can make that decision for you, so let me just ask you this: what do you want to play?

[dry flame]

i think atm Sub single target also sims higher for me, but definitely not seeing myself play sub anymore in M+ (15+ keys)

I will say, i am enjoying all 3 specs having some play

im so used to at least one spec being completely dead, its not the worst time now

[outer orchid]

i really dont care which spec i play (please dont make me play outlaw again. i couldn't do it anymore after DF)

[dry flame]

im definitely a class player, not a spec one, so i'll take all the variety we can get ^^

[dusky yacht]

Yeah it's this weird kind of vibe where I feel like I'm not useless, it's just the fotm players/ego trippers that make life miserable by declining you for your class

[outer orchid]

dont get me wrong, i like outlaw but i needed a break from it
i played it as main spec for 3 expansions

[dusky yacht]

Guildies always asking me to do keys and random nice folks adding me and keep asking me cause they know I'm good, but trying to get into a pug by myself is hilarious. I get declined by people with 1/3rd my m+ rating

[candid pebble]

i can't never be happy i guess

[outer orchid]

i wish my guild cared about keys but they only do 10s until their vault is done

[dusky yacht]

Oof

[outer orchid]

i think im swapping back to sub
sin is fun and i liked playing it in the 14s i did but without a premade to push higher than 14-15 sin is just no good :(

[dusky yacht]

Why do people wanna do those higher keys so much or is it just cause I'm raiding that I don't understand it

[dry flame]

i took a break afte S1 of DF, until the very end of TWW, so I missed all the outlaw drama ;d

[dry flame]

last Wed, Myth Gaze dropped, I rolled a 91 and then 5 people proceedd to roll over 95 and winner 99 🙂

[dusky yacht]

Holy shit

Yeah that would tilt me too tbh

[outer orchid]

outlaw in larodar was NOT fun and it might've been my final straw for outlaw

[keen dome]

Some peoples end-game is just running keys and their progression is running higher keys

[dry flame]

what's another week with the voidstorm rep trinket...

[dusky yacht]

I'm just happy not to be forced to puzzle anymore

[outer orchid]

allegedly outlaw was good on fyraak but my old guild stopped prog after we hit the smolderon wall and i quit again until tww s3 where i rerolled arcane mage
now i'm back to my homeland of rogue since arcane is awful

[candid pebble]

how is sub and assa in pve ?

[dry flame]

i have no guild, you can only pug so many myth bosses reliably, i've gotten Curve week 1 through pugging for every raid this tier, not much else i can do

[onyx trail]

!sim

[dusky yacht]

So weird to me that arcane is awful now, I remember seeing a vid when I was starting to play again and they were hyping the hell out of arcane

[outer orchid]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

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[onyx trail]

thx

[dusky yacht]

NyanMoroes: you're welcome homie

[outer orchid]

bro the orb build looked SO fun
in practice though it feels awful to play around and they have horrible mana problems

you dont run evocation anymore

[dry flame]

you still should in M+ imo

[outer orchid]

and you literally never hit missiles

[dusky yacht]

I mean I prolly should yeah but I'm doing my best to pretend not to be aware

But bro I can fit TWO sectecs in blades

CRAZAY

[outer orchid]

[dusky yacht]

Keep your rubix cubes losers HAHA gottem micdrop

... I'm probably losing like 10k dps overal aren't I

[light hull]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

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[shadow snow]

Can i ask why the dungeon sim has 2 passive trinkets?

[short radish]

because they''re unhinged. P*shers are cringe

[keen dome]

Time to return to the grind.

Another 10 solid hours of Mythic chim, let's go

[vale pine]

because it simmed highest

[shadow snow]

But its not worth it to do that right?

[dry flame]

No, you will join a group and you'll guys kill it in under 15 pulls

https://giphy.com/gifs/Spiegelworld-ChirBsa2nkLNOpXLE8

[keen dome]

Ain't a lotta groups at 9AM on a monday though

[candid pebble]

ok fck this game

[rotund hedge]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

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[upbeat cradle]

I rolled 93 yesterday then the last one who died on pull and was afk rolled 94 😂 I love pugs

[coarse raven]

hi, for sub in m+, we still need to aime 700 haste ? cause i see on warcraftlog top player having like 300 max and putting all in mastery crit

[tidal solstice]

huh. gear can roll tertiary stats twice?!!

[keen dome]

It can?

[keen dome]

Oh, that always has Leech on it iirc?

[dry flame]

you always want ~700 haste yep

[tidal solstice]

OH ok

[keen dome]

Which is why it only has Haste

[tidal solstice]

ofc it drops on my druid >_>

[keen dome]

Yeah, it's just got in-built Leech and pure haste

It's kinda bad

[tidal solstice]

idk seems rad to me i had to realyl push to reach haste bp

[keen dome]

Although I guess it could be REALLY good? I dunno.

Yeah

[tidal solstice]

and yeah it rolled avoidance so hot diggity. lol

[keen dome]

Yeah

[tidal solstice]

also threw it in catalyst it kept stats

[keen dome]

lol so many "quick kill CE only" groups that I see fill, then 10 minutes later the same lead is listing another group with just them in it

[tidal solstice]

idc enough to try too hard rn. ill wait til like 4-6 weeks from now when pugs catch up and then just go overgear it.

[keen dome]

We overgear it right now. It's not a hard fight, every wipe is like, one of three things.

1. People don't soak the right soaks somehow.
2. People don't understand the mythic change and fuck up madness / blow up the other group
3. Kicks in intermission

[tidal solstice]

yeh its pure pain watching ranged with the luxury of 40 yards just not do their jobs

[keen dome]

Yep

Or stuff like people having the DPS to push the boss to 50% but then somehow not killing the big adds shield on the 4th soak so you wipe for the dumbest shit

and then the group collapses

[tidal solstice]

i can already make it to the end of every fight i just need a raid that can also

[keen dome]

Yep

I'm waiting for 19 other people to play the fight so I can have a kill please.

[tidal solstice]

which is why im just gonna go chill, eat badass sandwiches, and let them all figure it out for a few weeks 😄

[keen dome]

Hell yeah

I mean I think it's gonna be insanely easy this reset with the raid buff

[tidal solstice]

oh thats this reset?

[keen dome]

Yeah

[shadow snow]

can i ask when is it worth it do go for finality? I see people are playing it at very high keys instead of veiltouched. Does taking it depend on your crit?

[keen dome]

"Only kill group"

Every single time

[dry flame]

😭

"Only carry group"

[vale pine]

you usually want to use on-use trinkets (or well one) to get more control

[winter niche]

Guys is it still true that during shadowblades you want to shadow dance the first 8 seconds an the last 8 seconds?

and then the last global of shadow blades would be another secret tech?

[tidal solstice]

yes and not supercharged

[shadow lance]

Guys, am I the only one astonished that you can't track SnD as Sub?

[winter niche]

Ye but that just happens sort of naturally right?

[shadow lance]

Not the buff but the spell

[winter niche]

you would never have to

you always have it up

[keen dome]

Why would you need to track it, though?

[dry flame]

why would you want to track the spell and not buff? (you dont really track buff also)

[shadow lance]

Wrong and I just wanna fill my cdm

[keen dome]

You should always have it up on the first Evis, it's not really useful info to track.

[winter niche]

exactly

[vale pine]

you don't rly need to

cut to the chase keeps it up

[shadow lance]

I know I don't need

I just wanna fill my cdm

And I realize that you can on assa and outlaw

But not on sub

[vale pine]

https://www.wowhead.com/classic/spell=432271/cut-to-the-chase

[tidal solstice]

why? wouldnt it be ideal to only display needed things to remove clutter and make it easier to digest?

[vale pine]

fair

[dry flame]

I don't understand why you'd wanna clutter your cdm with stuff you pretty much never press or track

[shadow lance]

Because having 3 spells in my cdm is ugly?

[winter niche]

Maybe make a sticker on your monitor

just kidding

[vale pine]

give me a moment

[dry flame]

track your kick/mobility then

[shadow lance]

Cause sometimes, I press SnD between pulls when I start dropping cp

[dry flame]

knowing you have Shadowsteps is much more important than SnD

or kick

or even blind

plenty of stuf to track over SnD

if you just wanna spam your cdm

[vale pine]

this is my cdm atm

[dry flame]

you can move your vanish 1st row

and then its equaled

[shadow lance]

Yes, import messed up

But it's not a rotational cd as it is in sin

[vale pine]

with ancient art buff showing

[shadow lance]

Yes, I see you got utility/def in top of rotational cd

But the fact is not why I want track SnD or not

[vale pine]

i tested it starting midnight

[vale pine]

and especially for m+ its quite handy

[shadow lance]

I wanna understand why I can't track SnD as Sub and I can as Sin/outlaw

[dry flame]

[vale pine]

tracking potions/trinkets/racials can for sure make it bigger

[keen dome]

why do mythic pug leads never invite DK's for chim, aaaaa.

[wanton vigil]

A lot of questions about the cooldown manager can be answered by blizzard having absolutely no idea what they are doing and making the game worse

[vale pine]

still trying to pug ?

[keen dome]

Yeah, all day today

if I don't get it today I'll try again next weekend.

[dry flame]

you can't tomorrow night last chance?

[keen dome]

Nah, work and energy will be low.

I'm a morning gamer

[dry flame]

:/

[keen dome]

I'll probably try some on Weds

It's gonna be easier on reset anyway so c'est la vie. Would be nice to have a vault

[dry flame]

its only a small buff though on reset, right?

[keen dome]

Unsure if it's 1% per week or 3% per week or what.

this group I got into seems good though. very proactive raid lead micromanaging everyone

[candid pebble]

what does only kill mean ?

[keen dome]

People who've already killed

[shadow lance]

It makes no sense tbh

[sacred magnet]

Hey is it better to us to go to the other side first or second in chimaerus mythic?

[shadow lance]

I've heard you deals more in g2

Cuz you got CD's for second adds pop in P1

[vale pine]

both is fine, second lines up well with cooldowns

[sacred magnet]

Thanks!

[potent frigate]

we did it bois, #13 world for Salhadaar

[dusky yacht]

Siiick

[vale pine]

nicu

[tidal solstice]

crucible + puzzlebox #1

[steady dune]

!spreadsheet

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[steady dune]

!bugs

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Bug tracker: Spreadsheet

[tight fjord]

Are they all only 263?

[tidal solstice]

fiik

[tight fjord]

Crucible maxes at 263 so if you’re using gear compare you better have the other trinkets at 276 or 289 depending on what you actually have

[tidal solstice]

scroll up like 6 comments

[tight fjord]

Oh the logs

[woeful barn]

Hero drum with mastery + box are simming higher for me than guidons rip

[tight fjord]

Crucible has crit stuff right

[dusk blaze]

do we generally sim dungeon slice for upgrades?

[tight fjord]

ST crit parse idek

[vale pine]

yes, dungeon slice is good for m+ gearing

[tight fjord]

Does sectech snapshot your dance buff or will the subsequent hits not be full power after dance falls off

[vale pine]

secret does not snapshot

[tight fjord]

Same question about coup

[hoary orchid]

!macros

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety Macros:
Here is a macro to make it easier to fit all of your globals into your Shadow Dances:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Secret Technique

Deathstalker likes to use this macro instead:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Shuriken Storm

This can be combines with trinkes and other cooldown use.

/cast Shadow Blades
/use 13
/use 14
/use Light's Potential
/cast Ancestral Call

Trickster Rogues can combine Coup de Grace and Black Powder in one button:

/cast Coup de Grace
/cast Black Powder

You can find more macros and details in Guides like WoWhead or Icy Veins.

[vale pine]

only thing that "snapshots" is dance duation from deepening

[tight fjord]

Ok so I’ll lose dmg if I don’t have enough duration left of dance

And viceversa if I accidentally coup or sectech I can buff the later hits with a dance at least

During dps pot should I chain the dances and not wait for a sectech? I guess this would be a third dance in a row

I’m assuming the best opener is 30seconds of dance during pots

I’ll just check what the sims press

[keen dome]

I have decided if I don't kill with this group I've been in for, what, 2 hours now? I'm just giving up for the reset.

[kindred copper]

dont know if im right here, but is there a guide anywhere how to play the light vanguard boss ? im having problems doing good dps there ... 😅 🥲

[lilac stag]

#assassination

[idle spear]

I got hc the eternal void song neck and It sims worse then my current champ neck how is this remotely possible. What a fking joke of a neck

[red flame]

https://tenor.com/view/ah-shit-here-we-go-again-gta-sa-cj-gta-again-gif-20425950

[random mason]

Too much haste with new neck

[kindred copper]

?

[lilac stag]

It sims worse because you don’t understand how haste breakpoints work.

[lilac stag]

You play assa on vanguards. 2-3 targets for sub doesn’t exist

[tribal blade]

interestingly hero alleria neck sims crazy for me over 263 champ neck even when it puts me 100 over haste breakpoint

[tribal blade]

THIS

[idle spear]

so it takes me to 19% instead of 18% which is where my breakpoint is therefore its worse. But it still suprises me that the effect doesnt add up for that

[night furnace]

u sum 157k dps? 😮

sim

[red flame]

The cantrip is deadass like 2-3 backstab casts

That is all

[tribal blade]

oh holy fucking shit good looking out

i did a sim for paladins as sin with 3 target patchwerk

forgot to change it back

legend

[vagrant sinew]

[wheat edge]

only char I have the neck on is havoc, that can proc it with auto attacks and look at that massive damage on chimaerus!!

[tribal blade]

that explains why the neck is simming weird

[red flame]

https://tenor.com/view/it-was-huge-south-park-gif-8703417

[wheat edge]

better than ring set atleast!

[tribal blade]

yeah rylld was saying it's massive simbait

[wheat edge]

the best part about it was getting it from the weekly cache and saving crests cause u get it at 6/6

[red flame]

Blizz scared to make actually useful cantrips

[tribal blade]

i get why, i think they learnt their lesson from special raid items being huge dps increases

that quite literally was make or break your dps

[red flame]

Yea that’s valid

It’s also not fun having the rare drop item be ~0.5% dps increase

[lilac stag]

You don’t understand breakpoints. We don’t use percents.

[wheat edge]

you know the special warglaive that lura drops

[red flame]

Ye

[wheat edge]

guess how much damage it sims for

[red flame]

5% bc they glaze devo ?

[wheat edge]

[red flame]

Prob way off

Oh yea way off

[wheat edge]

its not even good for devo cause its pure crit

[tribal blade]

there we go neck is now downgrade even when +9 ilvl because goes too far over haste breakpoint

[red flame]

That’s insane LMAO

[wheat edge]

so its a havoc weapon but 0.5% proc

[keen dome]

they should give me that as an ability

but it does damage to players

[lilac stag]

figure out a gear set that gets you to 684-700 haste and that neck is only going to lose to double socket neck.

[sharp ravine]

Upgrade, just have to move haste around

[tribal blade]

yeah i know

just showing

[candid pebble]

is there a good UI profile / addon pack i can use for pve content ? i only did pvp till now

[tribal blade]

what happens with that neck if you do base sim and go over haste breakpoint

[random mason]

Yeah but try explaining that to your lootcouncil when they see a nice 2% on anpther player cause their spec actually scales with haste

[dry flame]

IF this group doesn't work out, just wait until later in the day, people coming from work, etc

[lilac stag]

we scale with haste. We have a break point.

[random mason]

Yeah and im at the breakpoint

[red flame]

https://tenor.com/view/guy-arguing-guy-talking-to-wall-talking-brick-wall-gif-18667615

[sharp ravine]

Im the breakpoint

[tribal blade]

show them a sim moving pieces around

[vagrant sinew]

Wouldnt be 2% for you even if you moved haste around anyways

[tribal blade]

to account for haste

[sharp ravine]

1.8% actually

[tribal blade]

use gear you don't ahve if you have to

[random mason]

Nah im just crafting neck next reset

Ezpz

[lilac stag]

“The moment a situation becomes untenable or fundamentally shifts.” Welcome to haste after 700.

[tribal blade]

that's a very specific gearing thing nobody will know except sub rogues

loot council people don't research how every spec in the game sims every item

[random mason]

Not gonna kill myth crown anytime soon anyways

[tribal blade]

fair enough

[lilac stag]

this is just going to turn into another macro is on my stealth bar conversation.

[dry flame]

Link Curve
I have it, just not as an achievement

It's on another account, goes to a different school

[red flame]

It’s on my work account

Trust

[tribal blade]

i know it's a sneaky move 😉

but more so just to show it's actually bis for sub

or you can literally show them fuu's bis list

[sharp ravine]

If your Loot council is not able to trust a note with "BIS IM GONNA DIE IF YOU GIVE IT TO SOMEONE ELSE"
I don't think a sim gonna help

[tribal blade]

please make another one

it'll be funnty

[tribal blade]

isn't it the exact opposite

if i put that in my note i get flamed by my loot council because it means nothing

they just want cold hard facts

[sharp ravine]

That's a hard fact

[lilac stag]

Not awake enough to do it for someone that just wants to ignore it. Maybe later.

[red flame]

Just turn into Harry Dresden if they give it to somebody else

[potent frigate]

I am kinda conflicted. During BL (pull) do we hold our shadow dance to pair with sectec? That means using the shadow dance + sectec with about 6s left on shadow blades. Or do we just go with the traditional shadow blades + sec tec + shadow dance and then use 2nd shadow dance (without sectec) with the last 6s of shadow blades? Without BL, there's no question. But with BL I feel like waiting for the sectec with shadow dance is the better call right there.

[left ledge]

pair with sectec

if you want to minmax for a very big 0% dps increase

you can shadowdance when sectec is 2 sec off cd

[sharp ravine]

You want your shadow tech to be the 2nd finisher in your 2nd dance

[lilac stag]

Your trinkets and haste amount matter

[left ledge]

ye that matters too

but again, just pair dance with sectec :)

been saying this since day 0

nothing you do on this spec even matters anyway outside of that

[potent frigate]

Yeah, it felt better. Guides say otherwise thought. So I was conflicted, but it felt better with pairing the cds even afterwards and such.

[left ledge]

guides will include optimal play

usually for good reason, sadly in midnight all of our optimizations are essentially not worth doing

[sudden quarry]

Sadly in midnight we are fucked anyways 😂

[potent frigate]

Indeed. I was simming myself with kinda "bis gear" and it simmed 93k. I simmed my groupmate with 263 weapon as unholy DK, he simmed 108k lol

[left ledge]

think the most important thing is you just go into dances with full combo points, macro sectec to your dance as trickster, and if you're feeling very daring you can get 3 sht stacks before dance to guarantee apex on your second finisher

[sharp ravine]

Sim is nice to optimize youself, it's useless to compare with other class

[potent frigate]

It is indeed not great to compare with other classes. But seeing a 100% performance out of both specs results in 17% dps diff feels bad man

[lilac stag]

I’m hardly in BiS gear and 98k on rogue. So not sure what you’re simming there

[left ledge]

okay lets stop the cap

[sharp ravine]

Im at 99k6 with a champ neck c:

[potent frigate]

I mean, the items I have are the right ones, just not full M version stuff. Most stuff is HC and/or not fully upgraded M

[sharp sapphire]

you need to replace some haste on other items so with the hase of the voidsong you will be at desired 700 mark. I simmed with 706 haste and also I get the voidsong as a downgrade

[lilac stag]

Heroic isn’t BiS.

[tribal blade]

yes i know

i was just showing it as an example

[left ledge]

there's not much to get your "bis" setup

[tribal blade]

as i said earlier

[lilac stag]

ilvl still largely king with the exception of a few slots

[left ledge]

yeah with the exception of rings/neck/trinket

[lilac stag]

also unholy don’t fucking care about weapon since they’re a range spec

[potent frigate]

Okay, the item itself is, just not full 289 as it's not possible just yes. Like my Gaze is 263 and such. Still sims higher than most 276 trinks

[lilac stag]

Why isn’t my LfR bis veteran setup beating guarding Druid sim?

[potent frigate]

Weapon is still the highest stat stick you will get though. A 285 crafted sims +8k for him lol

[lilac stag]

heroic items are generally shit unless it’s a trinket, ring and possibly neck

unless you can’t figure out why crown neck sims badly as it pushes you towards 850 haste

convergence of conversations

[tribal blade]

stat budget on weapons is very low

wep is all about wep dmg

[keen dome]

[potent frigate]

Of course the weapon dmg is important, but still let's say rangeds - they do not care about weapon dmg at all right? But the stat stick on the weapon tiself is a huge gain for them. So it's not all about weapon dmg. For rogue? Yes. For let's say bala druid or any magic dmg heavy class? Not really.

[left ledge]

weapon damage matters for any ability that scales off weapon damage

and for casters weapon is the biggest source of intellect

so weapon is usually the biggest upgrade for everyone

[potent frigate]

Indeed, so "stat stick" is the right name for caster weapons. I don't know why would anybody say a stat budget on weapon is low as it's the item with the higest stats.

[left ledge]

stat budget in terms of primary/secondaries is not high for daggers

but the benefit is the weapon damage

[potent frigate]

But for said unholy dk, a 289 weapon amounts to 124 primary stat and 164 secondary stat. That is indeed the highest stats per item you will get.

[lilac stag]

Keep in mind your 2h weapons need basically 2 crafts. How often do we tell a rogue to craft 2 daggers?

so per spark it’s not a high stat craft

and why they do 2 non weapons first

Same as hunters

Same as WW

[potent frigate]

I mean, our 4 dk's crafted all 4 of them a wrist and cloak. The 2 item slots with the least amount of stats. Crafting a weapon (more so if they had 263 ilvl one lol) would result inthem gaining tripple of what they did