assassination

[echo geyser]

i got dusk ring atm but maybe chest is good in "bis" gear?

got the cos ring ofc

[gusty mirage]

ye I was considering it myself

like arachnid + signet is sick

[hollow river]

Dont we get 285 chest?

[echo geyser]

yeah i got 285 chest

[gusty mirage]

did the arachnid have a socket? @echo geyser

[ebon notch]

fk u

assa ring

[vast loom]

Hey guys mind taking a look at one of my logs? im curious where i lost as much dmg as i did, i think the main culprit was some untimely Dark Eclipses during vendetta but maybe theres more im messing up. https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Y1N2Gnb6CMVczwaF#fight=26&type=damage-done

oh nvm i think this is the pull where i had to reapply poison

[zinc frost]

[vast loom]

oof

[echo geyser]

yes

[candid badger]

will you even take the ring since you have 285 chest already and melandrus ring?

[echo geyser]

no clue

i got a week to decide

[onyx crane]

I got one piece on my rogue, 278 tier legs not complaining

[limber lion]

By using PI at 6s then on cooldown.

It's not worth trying to sync it up in the sims, because you'd potentially lose PI casts or they just wouldn't allign well because of holding/sending logic in the sims

But in the game you'd ideally use it just before Vendetta

[tropic ocean]

ic cheers

[ebon notch]

SHEEESH

mastery so much dam

this is totally not a stat weights screenshot btw

[red plaza]

Same

[timid cloud]

DID SOMEONE SAY ||STAT WEIGHTS||?

[carmine dawn]

how do you only have 6 agility

i know you get at least 15 agility from gear

[viscid spear]

[balmy condor]

I felt a disturbance

[viscid spear]

Well now that you're here...

[bleak sky]

Ash pfp

[timid cloud]

[viscid spear]

Won't you come?

[carmine dawn]

Yeah these dudes only got 6 agility smdh

[viscid spear]

[carmine dawn]

Haha funny green frog

[viscid spear]

Haha reading comprehension

[carmine dawn]

My bad for shitposting in the cum channel sheeeeeesh

You guys playing assa or sub for jailer?

[viscid spear]

Just read the bottom of that image, sweetyie

[carmine dawn]

I know what stat weights are lmao

How you doin ash how’s prog

[viscid spear]

We're trying to get Rygelon

[carmine dawn]

Fight looks fun tho!

I wouldn’t know

[viscid spear]

Yeah until:

[carmine dawn]

Trying to convince RL of assa tech for jailer

We’re also on ryg

[balmy condor]

How was anduin

[carmine dawn]

[viscid spear]

[carmine dawn]

I was in for lihuvim!

This tier just sucks for 2nd seat rogues it’s alright

[viscid spear]

I got to kill Andy last week though, just not on our first kill

[carmine dawn]

Reclearing andy? Sheeeesh

[viscid spear]

Yeah, he's been nerfed so it wasn't too hard

Got helm at least, but I really need a dagger from starballs

[carmine dawn]

True we just havent recleared

[viscid spear]

We did a reclear last week because we lost a tank and someone switched roles so we were doing a funnel

[carmine dawn]

Ouch unfort

[balmy condor]

All the homies gonna crank CE soon and then join me for raid logging

[carmine dawn]

I did two keys this past reset, on Monday.

2 tokens of merit. Can’t even get a socket

Wayyyy ahead of you lmaooo

[viscid spear]

Have had a busy month, haven't done many anything so my vaults are sad

[balmy condor]

I’m anduin bench pov so I’m hard pisschilling

[carmine dawn]

Aren’t you RL

[viscid spear]

No he's Whispyr

[carmine dawn]

I thought you and seli both rl

[oak sky]

im missing halondrus reclear and anduin prog tonight

halondrus reclear sucks because i couldve got me a big sin parse

but

whatever

[viscid spear]

Whispyr is too busy doing sims and Seli is too busy answering our dumb questions.

[carmine dawn]

Bench for anduin is big pisschill vibe tho he’s right

That boss is ass

[viscid spear]

Yeah, glad I got anything I want from him already

[balmy condor]

Not since ny’alotha

[carmine dawn]

yeah i totally watch your stream all the time why do you ask?

[balmy condor]

:)

[carmine dawn]

i used my prime on a guildie i gotchu next month

i forget i have it until someone reminds me

[bleak sky]

we got to p3

it might die tonight

[sudden grotto]

is cache always haste? or

ST

[bleak sky]

!cache

[prisma monolith]

Cache of Acquired Treasures usage:
Axe is always the strongest weapon.
Note: The Weapon rotates every 12 seconds in the order Sword -> Axe -> Wand

[balmy condor]

Always axe

[sudden grotto]

thanks yeah just tested that anyways and its insane 🙂 merci

[glass tulip]

@viscid spear why does your pfp look like Minalba's older sister after I come to visit

[vast loom]

[balmy condor]

@glass tulip why does your pfp look like your dog walking into the room and seeing us engage in a lustful dance of passionate embrace

[viscid spear]

[glass tulip]

[viscid spear]

Tis my favorite song

[zinc frost]

Just make sure not to get the passionate embrace all over the new rug

[ebon notch]

@hollow river i knew it

i wondered why i recognised your name

[hollow river]

yeye

[gloomy epoch]

!cache

[prisma monolith]

Cache of Acquired Treasures usage:
Axe is always the strongest weapon.
Note: The Weapon rotates every 12 seconds in the order Sword -> Axe -> Wand

[ebon notch]

What

[solid mica]

anduin is actually the worst boss in the raid

@balmy condor

[balmy condor]

I know

That’s why I’m benched

[solid mica]

I'm just full simp'ing souls, then becoming one, and simping myself

[glass tulip]

I got benched since I was late today

fuck andy

[bleak sky]

clown theo

[ebon notch]

How did you manage that

[bleak sky]

slice and dice

or throw shuriken, one of the two

[spice spire]

Hol up

What’s that second one? 🤨

[glass tulip]

anvil gaming is big mad we passed them

campaigning in raid /1 chat

[spice spire]

Gonna yoink that lore rq

Thanks

[glass tulip]

Add it to the archive

[viscid spear]

[spice spire]

Fix your conduits and mind your business

[viscid spear]

[spice spire]

It’s not your fault we have to do things no dps has to do

[viscid spear]

At least I wasn't at fault at any point

[spice spire]

Yeah, you guys got it next week

I believe

[viscid spear]

Believe in me who believes in you.

[glass tulip]

Ash what are you guys on

And why are your conduits cringe

Don't make me check my logs folder

[spice spire]

Hero rygelon

Had a tank swap so he’s 259 and dies to the bang without CDs

So we have to tank an orb in downstairs phase

And you literally cannot if you don’t have condensed anima sphere

Ash kept dying and I figured out why

[pure moth]

on dreads. does the timer work out to where you get a vendetta between the swarms?

[ebon notch]

@glass tulip did you kill

[balmy condor]

Yeah killed this bussy

[gusty mirage]

[ebon notch]

Ur gonna be part of my details name tomorrow

[balmy condor]

Tell James his mom said hi

[ebon notch]

You're asking for trouble

He's jacked

[balmy condor]

I like strong men

[ebon notch]

How tall are you

@balmy condor

[balmy condor]

184

187ish if I straighten my back

[ebon notch]

You have gamer neck?

[balmy condor]

Fuck yeah brother

[ebon notch]

Smh

You're gonna have to bend down to reach him then

[balmy condor]

I got that question mark body shape

[ebon notch]

Question mark like what the fuck is going on

[balmy condor]

Question mark like why do I get out of bed in the morning only to hate myself and everyone around me and not enjoy my time on this earth as I waste away the weeks and months and years doing nothing of value and praying that one day god will pity me and release me from my mortal flesh

Yeah pretty much

[ebon notch]

The pendulum went from horny back to depressed

Assa chat will bounce back it's only time

Is sub chat as colourful?

They're boring right

[balmy condor]

Those are my 2 emotions

[oak sky]

Back deleto

[balmy condor]

I got the posture that makes you look at me once and go “yeah he’s got that RGB keyboard and 3 monitors”

[ebon notch]

I guess I'm undercover then

[glass tulip]

No, only finished night 2. ~80 pulls and seeing intermission, I was benched for everything but the last 30 mins when I had to sub for our DH

[fervent beacon]

That's deep.

[oak sky]

this morning i chose not getting out of bed

[indigo mulch]

This morning my daughter woke me up by throwing her toy car in my face.

[vestal wren]

[subtle tundra]

You're an adult. Throw a real car at her face.

[indigo mulch]

[onyx crane]

Humble brag,

All i got was some bug making a hifh pitched noise cuz the sun went up

[urban heart]

guys, where is the PI spreed pls 😄

[subtle tundra]

v #wow-general

[plain jewel]

!snapshot

[prisma monolith]

Explanation of snapshotting

Bleeds update their tick rate dynamically, which means that if you get a haste proc (which increases our tick rate) from somewhere during the encounter (ie. Flagellation, Euphoria), the bleeds would automatically tick faster, but the second your haste goes back to normal, the tick rate goes back down as well.

Snapshotting refers to getting that haste proc, reapplying bleeds at the faster tick rate, but instead of the bleeds going back to a slower tick rate when your haste drops, they would continue ticking at a faster rate until they expire or are reapplied.

[hollow dirge]

What do you mean nothing of value? Who would have done all this good work for us undervalued knife slashers if there wasn’t for you.
Maria Theresa of rogues

[plain jewel]

so if I'm understanding correctly bleeds tick 100% faster with 4P even after vendetta ends? just clarifying cuz I saw a video that said the damage is updated dynamically

[violet jackal]

ruptures and bleeds applied while vendetta is up will be at the 4p value if they are still ticking when vendetta ends

[limber lion]

The bleeds that you applied during Vendetta will tick 100% faster, even after Vendetta. But when you reapply the bleed or it runs out, it turns into a normal bleed that updates dynamically.

[plain jewel]

awesome. ty ty

[cold rampart]

how much dmg diff between necro and venthyr on lords fight?

[limber lion]

quite a bit, venthyr also feels pretty awful in comparison

[cold rampart]

necro playstyle is a bit uncomfortable for me sadly

[rotund oak]

Ever thought of stop talkng to your imaginary friend and act? 😄

(with all the love in the world)

[rotund oak]

mythic logs available when

[strange python]

Quit the game for a while and step outside of your comfortzone. Do some other things ; take a walk outside (through the park etc) stop smoking if you do, stop consume many sugars, go sport, stop porn if you watch it. If you are fat: lose weight. Better your life = better your mindset.

[brazen zodiac]

Better yet, throw the insurance bill at her.

[gray horizon]

We beat the crab last night woooooooooooo

[bleak sky]

gz gz

[vestal wren]

big gz

[gray horizon]

thx bb

got a whopping 7 parse

maybe one day i wont be on bomb duty lol

[limber lion]

all that matters is that boss is dead

[gray horizon]

exactly!

[limber lion]

can get the parses down the line

[gray horizon]

and i got the trink

[limber lion]

Big

[gray horizon]

Do we have any fun bis list?

[vestal wren]

!fuu the profiles should be fairly optimized from the spreadsheet

[prisma monolith]

Fuus Shadowlands evaluation Spreadsheet: http://tiny.cc/uxr1tz

[gusty mirage]

@limber lion how are there only 5 Andy parses for sin?

[bleak sky]

Only 5 logs were publicly uploaded including assassination rogues

Hope that helps clear things out.

[gusty mirage]

Shut up

You’re still not getting muted

[bleak sky]

I hope you're in for every anduin pull

[gusty mirage]

It’s wild so many people still believe that sub is THAT much better for it

I was offered to sit last night after raid

Unlucky

[drifting cloud]

gratz

I think?

[vast loom]

is there like secret private log dataminers selling data to guilds cuz that sounds like some villain shit

[limber lion]

Same can be said for every boss

[gusty mirage]

Maybe

I feel like sin’s just better given what our job is on Andy idk

CC and melt shit that needs to die

[limber lion]

Sin is a lot better on a lot of the bosses

[gusty mirage]

Aka “funnel”

[limber lion]

What is the best spec for Lords?

It's Sin right

and it's not even close

[gusty mirage]

Survival hunter?

[limber lion]

No as in

rogue spec

The answer is sin

yet there's 66 assassination parses on Lords

[gray horizon]

What's the best way to handle Lords? Dot both up and just go to town on 1, refresh dots accordingly?

[limber lion]

and 401 Sub parses

[gusty mirage]

Yeah kinda nuts

[limber lion]

Sub is the worst spec on Lords, out of any specs in the game

yet people still feel obligated to play it because "sub is so much better than assa and assa sucks"

even on lords

[gusty mirage]

I just feel like the fact that we get huge damage every 1min is so vastly underrated

[limber lion]

which is obviously a fight that favors assassination

[vast loom]

i guess people just focus on what we cant do rather than what we can do?

[limber lion]

the best sub parse on lords is 20k

best assa parse is 24.6k

lmao

[sour wraith]

Cev do you run Necro or venth for anduin?

[limber lion]

Probs Venth

[gusty mirage]

I’m running venthyr

And honestly

I think it fits perfect

@limber lion I’m thinking of inting my damage in p2 and just melting the fear adds

Because we can get flag and vendetta for 2 of them

Might suck for overall but they just explode

[sour wraith]

Are you using vendetta on the king or monstrous souls (or just 2nd one) oxi

[gusty mirage]

King

If everyone’s alive, 2nd monstrous soul dies pretty easily

But I think 2nd intermission I just blast soul

We haven’t quite gotten there with everyone alive

[drowsy parcel]

i did this, its not that bad really

[sour wraith]

Yea we're having 2nd soul issues so I might just blast that to start (assuming we don't have a million star deaths in p1 again )

[drowsy parcel]

me and an arcane mage got an add for ourselves and then on the second set i popped when we had souls and fear adds at the same time

[gusty mirage]

The Andy special, get a great pull then die in p1 to dumb shit for 40 minutes

[gusty mirage]

[sour wraith]

More like 2.5 hours

[gusty mirage]

Because I feel like the fear adds are pretty much the scariest part of p2

The less time they’re alive the less time someone can fuck up

[drowsy parcel]

its the scariest part of the entire fight

[sour wraith]

Our raid leader started calling out where people should go with stars....10 pulls later, someone says "well I'm following my weakaura" like bro we said 10 pulls ago to ignore it and listen to RL

[gusty mirage]

Luckily stars aren’t an issue for us

Blasphemy is super sus 184 pulls in

[sour wraith]

I stopped stepping to people cuz it was giving them heart attacks

[gusty mirage]

Yeah I may or may not have executed some people

I’d clear while they thought they were clearing with someone else

I step run away and they run into the person they thought they were clearing with

[drowsy parcel]

yeah i did the same thing, was pretty funny

they banned me from using shadowstep

forbidden technique

[sour wraith]

I've had the pleasure of trying to mouse over step and they move right before I do it so I go onto Andy and kill all the melee hahaha

[gusty mirage]

Yeah I’m not allowed to do that anymore unless there’s 2 of us left

[viscid spear]

We're having fun with Quasars 80 pulls in

[gusty mirage]

I just want to go suffer on rygelon already

I can smell the finish line

[ebon notch]

I sent full CDs on first set first add grim reflection

And second set first add

[viscid spear]

We're doing Lords on Monday. Hopefully we can get that down and actually kill Ryg

[bleak sky]

1 boss away from ce

[viscid spear]

You guys are?

[gusty mirage]

Minalba is 1 week of raiding from cutting the edge of his Ethernet cable

Does that count?

[hollow river]

I’m on the cutting edge of dial up internet users

Microsoft Windows 98 in dis bitch

[viscid spear]

3 from AotC

[vestal wren]

there are still people using dail up

[ebon notch]

I haven't killed jailer heroic on my main

Boutta get Hella achievements on CE

[bleak sky]

Wait how

[viscid spear]

8/11H

[spice spire]

They’re 100+ pulls on rygelon

I’m in 60 of them

[gusty mirage]

Just kill lords first

For the free confidence boost

[ebon notch]

wait who is killing ryg before lords

[viscid spear]

Us because it's easy

[ebon notch]

on heroic or

[gusty mirage]

Heroic

[ebon notch]

theyre both similar difficulty on heroic tbh

cant fault either one

[gusty mirage]

Rygelon has more oopsie i wiped the mechanics tho

[spice spire]

Which is our raid’s MO. It doesn’t work until it does

[ebon notch]

yeah but lords just has

"you wiped"

[spice spire]

Lords has one

[ebon notch]

it also has dodge mechanics

[spice spire]

Dodging shouldn’t be an issue. Tbf nor should quasars

[gusty mirage]

If people greed damage

[viscid spear]

Will say taking a blast to the face is not fun

[gusty mirage]

Quasars are 110% a problem

That first set after you come back need to die

[ebon notch]

the big problem with them tho

is that people will either accidentally walk in

or take other people's soaks

so the bombs go off

as long as you mandate that whoever gets the bomb immediately soaks

you shouldnt have any major problems outside of killing/ccing them

[spice spire]

Literally have a weak aura with timers

[viscid spear]

We had that great pull that should've been a kill but not enough focus on Quasars

[spice spire]

100k wipe

[ebon notch]

yeah but then people think "ok i can cast like 3 more spells before i have to go in"

[tight ginkgo]

Oof :(

[viscid spear]

tbf I was dead

[spice spire]

Had a few of those

Yeah a few people were

[ebon notch]

we had that on mythic lmao

[spice spire]

We’re also dealing with a unique situation where rogues are taking the explosion

For consistency

[viscid spear]

When they have the correct conduits ofc

[spice spire]

Shouldn’t have to, but yeah, it’s a learning process

I just forgot to tell you, learned the tech after last raid

[ebon notch]

wait what

you cant cloak it right

[spice spire]

No

[ebon notch]

feint + external?

[spice spire]

Condensed anima + feint + cheat death

Guaranteed live

[ebon notch]

what if condensed anima is on cd tho

[viscid spear]

[spice spire]

99% DR at 1% kills, but at 5% you’re laughing

[spice spire]

Just don’t

It’s really a prayer moment, but I haven’t died to it yet on 10 or so attempts

[burnt latch]

wanna hear the craziest thing

apparently the meta for 5/11 guilds now is to go halondrus before Lihuvim

because its easier

actually insane what they did to that bossie

[viscid spear]

summons Reaves

[ebon notch]

lihuvim is a brain check fight

so ofc you dont go if halondrus is easier

[burnt latch]

ye i guess

they made halondrus a 50 pull boss

RIP

[thorn fjord]

I'm having to run Kyrian sub tonight for Lihuvim to help with first add kill 😦

[ebon notch]

my friend was progging like 120 pulls pre nerf, then post nerf they killed it in 2 pulls

[thorn fjord]

We're not consistently hitting the dps check

[burnt latch]

dude the new p3 strat is so funny

Turtle and just spam pick and drop bombas

[ebon notch]

[burnt latch]

looks hilarious

[ebon notch]

wait what

lmao

[burnt latch]

yeah u assign 3 immunities for p3 and have nobody else do bombs

[ebon notch]

we were just gonna 3 man and perma rotate from p2 intermission

[burnt latch]

cuz u only need to do them every 30 sec

and p3 isnt longer than 1,30

so like 2 hunters and pally or sth

[ebon notch]

what we did pre nerf in p3

was just perma rotate between me warr and dh

so it was never on the ground

we could never forget

and the other 2 could run interference on the motes while the bomb guy focused on staying alive

[burnt latch]

yeah

[vast loom]

is there a string similar to theo Tea for soleahs?

[glass tulip]

pretty sure that's in a dropdown menu

[vast loom]

yeah but i cant sim all 4 at once to compare lol i have to sim each one individually

[spice spire]

Yeah, you just gotta do that

[vast loom]

[glass tulip]

https://tenor.com/view/rip-pack-bozo-dead-gif-20309754

[ebon notch]

guys i have the best sim

[cunning locust]

when its better to call for pi? with flag or vend?

[ebon notch]

just before vend

[cunning locust]

ty!

[whole mason]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[whole mason]

!mut

[prisma monolith]

Ambush is currently only used with non-venthyr builds using subterfuge
The reasoning is a little complicated, but the most important of them is the difference in combo points on crit (up to 4 vs 3) and it's interaction with Flagellation.
You also have to consider the additional poison application chances. Ambush is not considerably worse or better in any situation, so you aren't losing out on much if you don't use it.

[quasi grotto]

whats the kick focus macro

my equals button is dead XD

[ebon notch]

#showtooltip Kick
/cast [@focus, exists] Kick
/cast Kick

will prio kicking focus

[vestal wren]

/cast [@focus,harm,nodead] [] kick

[ebon notch]

if focus not there will kick main target

[fallow estuary]

Does anyone has a CT weakaura similar style to Ceverion's Rup+garrote ones?

[limber lion]

You don't really need one

[gusty mirage]

not that I know of, it's not really worth it

[limber lion]

CT is not mandatory to keep up, garrote/rupture are

[gusty mirage]

fwiw the pandemic timer w/ 4pc is like 1.8-2ish seconds?

[fallow estuary]

my peanut brain dev. needs a weakaura of some sort or else i won't ever use the ablity - basicly all i really need is one that blinks when CT is not on target or in pandemic range

[limber lion]

It's pretty unnecessary because the dot is so short, so the pandemic happens very quickly and lasts for a short time.

[limber lion]

Yeah, I would just recommend a weak aura that is desaturated when CT is not on the target

[fallow estuary]

Allright :)

[limber lion]

The glowy thing just gives you the "oh shit, I need to press this button now" feel, which is not super great for CT

But you do you, it should be very easy to add if you wish to do that

[gusty mirage]

ye a regular CT tracker should be fine for ya

[limber lion]

You can probably even just use the rupture weak auras and just change all rupture id's to ct id's and the pandemic timers to CT timers in the conditions

If you wish to do so

[glacial steppe]

idk why, but my openers are so random, sometimes im giga blasting

sometimes im like low ass dps

[timid cloud]

You still hit Rupture at the last second of Vendetta still right? Even if you just reapplied it like 3s ago?

[amber fossil]

looks like Subt/DS is simming higher than MA/Vigor now, do we finish at 5 or 6 cps?

[glacial steppe]

my opener is always the same, no clue whats happening

[iron orchid]

The technical part and numbers:

Rupture:
You want to reapply a Rupture when Vendetta has 3s left, if your Rupture duration is 8s or less.

Garrote:
You want to reapply Garrote, when Vendetta has 3s or less, if your Garrote duration is 7s or less.

this is in the pins

[timid cloud]

Ah, I hadn’t checked the pins really since it doesn’t show up as a new one since the ||Shiv Incident.||

I just remember aggressive, but just HOW aggressive.

[limber lion]

This pin was added way before the Shiv thing

so no excuses

[timid cloud]

https://tenor.com/view/chappelle-chappelle-show-dave-chappelle-president-run-gif-23831577

[fallow estuary]

!guides

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[brazen zodiac]

[glacial steppe]

its prolly just a gear thing that subt/ds sims better right? cus its like 350 less for me

[limber lion]

Huh?

We don't play Subt/DS as Venthyr

[glacial steppe]

ah kk

[limber lion]

Subt/DS is better for other covenants

But MFD/MA for Venth

[timid cloud]

Should I even bother with NF?

[amber fossil]

I am Necro, which is why I asked

[timid cloud]

Or learning NF? ( Don’t say a damn word, Quake.)

I already do NL & Venthyr for their respective fights.

[glacial steppe]

opener without lust feels so weird, i have to wait like 1 or 2 ticks of energy reg before i can flag > rupture

[amber fossil]

and still not sure whether to finish at 5 or 6 cps. I have looked at logs and it seems 50-50

with deeper

[timid cloud]

5

Unless you land on 6.

Same thing for 4-5

[amber fossil]

looking at soem of Cevs logs, teh majority of finishes are at 6

[timid cloud]

If you have 2 targets & you Bone Spike you’ll overcap, same concept.

That’s because Cev already…

Sealed his Fate

[limber lion]

No

[timid cloud]

[limber lion]

It does not matter

It's 5 or 6

[timid cloud]

Would you say it’s even fun, Cev?

[limber lion]

5 or 6 with Deeper Stratagem, 4 or 5 with Vigor

Niya is fun, Dreamweaver is not

[timid cloud]

Fuck that circle.

Played around it too much for Lock, & Hunter

Fair enough though.

Won’t bother my time with it then.

[glacial steppe]

is nadya better on halondrus?

theo is like 250 dps increase but idk

[oak sky]

Yes nadjia is better on halondrus

The umbrella adds a pretty significant amount of damage

[fallow estuary]

worth to make the swap from sub to sin for lords?

[limber lion]

yes

[fallow estuary]

Cheers, let's see how it'll go

did not touch sin since 9.2 release

[limber lion]

that's fine

4p is a bit spicy, but not too bad

[fallow estuary]

Your weakaura helps alot

spend the last 1-2 hours on 2 target dummies

should be fine

[onyx crane]

is the opener supposed to be slow?

or do I just need more haste

[limber lion]

this is never a question that you think about

the first 5 gcd's are a bit slow yes

oh no

it speeds up literally after 5 secodns

[onyx crane]

yeha i need to get the hang of it a bit more

[viscid spear]

Yeah, the opener feels a bit clunky but after that it's smooth

[limber lion]

opener feels great if you play blood elf

[onyx crane]

i bet as a troll you could toss your racial in it even

[limber lion]

You would use it with Vendetta

[onyx crane]

fair

[limber lion]

but the Vend windows are fast by themselves already

[onyx crane]

but if I muti- snd-muti tha garotte come up slow

[limber lion]

yes that happens when you don't have all bleeds on the target and you're at 0 energy

but it literally takes

1.5 seconds or something

it's literally nothing

if you're a blood elf you'd use arcane torrent before the garrote

[onyx crane]

but I am a nublin

[glacial steppe]

when do you belf during opener

[limber lion]

@glacial steppe

[glacial steppe]

ah ups

would have been my first guess anyways

[glass tulip]

or on anduin and you feint instead

[glacial steppe]

our sub rogue is blasting me trough the wall at halondrus

[onyx crane]

in my experience assa rogues never like fights that require you to move in and out a whole lot

but I have not played rogue a lot this tier, switched to venth today

so it's all a mess

[limber lion]

that goes for every melee in the game lol

[subtle tundra]

you should be able to compete with him in dmg

if you play correctly

[glacial steppe]

im prolly doing a lot of things wrong cus i only recently swapped from sub to sin

dont like sub in raid

[onyx crane]

I do not like sub period...

[glacial steppe]

my gear sucks too hehe

[onyx crane]

yeah I only sim for 13k on PW

what leggo is for M+?

[glacial steppe]

i sim like 14.8

[onyx crane]

and MFD do you use it just to get the next convenient spender if flag is not active and on cd?

[glacial steppe]

we only use envenom if we dont have to re-apply rup/ct and barely during vendetta right?

[onyx crane]

and to make snd not fall off

[vestal wren]

how do you like sin so far?

[onyx crane]

and to do sick crits

[vestal wren]

hope you have a good time

[glacial steppe]

real question or laughing at me

[viscid spear]

Yeah, like the pin says we're being aggressive with bleeds during Vendetta, so make sure you have a good SnD running before launching into the bursty rotation

[vestal wren]

real question

why would i make fun of you, i think people should play what they like more

[viscid spear]

fuu trying to corrupt the youths

[glacial steppe]

uh well, i logged in as sin cus i tried sin on target dummys yesterday, got ninja invited into halondrus progress (im not part of the main raid cus i cant provide enough attendance) and yeah, thats my first sin experience LOL

[vestal wren]

but there is the "grass is greener" thing when you try somehting and then be like "thought its more fun"

[glacial steppe]

im playing a spec i didnt touch since 8.3 on a boss i dont know anything about

[onyx crane]

I played sub at the start of SL in dungs and raided a bit with it in legion during Tomb

but it is not for me

[timid cloud]

You can keep 95%ish+ uptime on Crab even if you run the bomb if you play it right.

[glacial steppe]

im just turbo bad hehe

[timid cloud]

You have to use cloak / Shadowstep at the proper times.

If your group is melee heavy, I suggest also going through the belly of the crab with cloak on, into a safe side.

[subtle tundra]

10% on jailer pog

not shield yet but very close

[oak sky]

[glacial steppe]

i want melandrus signet

its 250 dps on my sin

[viscid spear]

How patient are you?

[oak sky]

Next chance isnt for a bit

[glacial steppe]

i did like 15 cos last time it was up

no luck

[thorn fjord]

Next shot is mid Aug

rip

[glacial steppe]

[timid cloud]

Gotta do ring runs with all of the boyz in here.

[glacial steppe]

i only did the cos keys we had in our guild, getting into a run with less than 3k score was basically impossible lmao

[timid cloud]

I will trade all of my pals on NA.

[glacial steppe]

or extreme luck

[timid cloud]

I mean yeah. Because the minimum application was 3k io at the time LOL

100 rogues in queue.

[glacial steppe]

im still at 2.8k because i cant find motivation to play keys

[subtle tundra]

ok now stupid boss parries two shivs in vendetta in a row

😠

[timid cloud]

You do the keys while you do the weeklies, praying for sockets or tertiaries, gives you that motivation.

That’s how you do that rise & grind, gamer.

Here, you dropped this.

👑

[limber lion]

[viscid spear]

[glacial steppe]

i have so much vers

like 20%

[thorn fjord]

play sub

[vestal wren]

nice, kill soon 👀

[subtle tundra]

next raid days are monday tuesday

lol

[odd heath]

GL

I'm soon on jailer prison as well s.s

Might kill rygelon today

[onyx crane]

I also got a lot of sub

eh vers

the poisons are getting to me!

[vestal wren]

that was a freudian slip ^^

you know you want to play sub deep down 😛

[onyx crane]

spank me fuu fuu chan!

no this is not Goldshire!

[viscid spear]

This is Whispyr World, Fuu Forest is over in #subtlety

[glass tulip]

I got in at 2400, just gotta be a chad

[onyx crane]

Whispyr is too scruffy

[glass tulip]

aka link your +2 key for reroll as soon as group is up within 3 seconds

[oak sky]

Me and my guild just spammed cos for me and vow for our arcane mage

+2 chain

[glass tulip]

@oak sky any mog recommendations

[vestal wren]

i can't wait for season 4

[glacial steppe]

my sub gear is like 40% crit and 30% vers

[vestal wren]

to spam cos +2 all over again

[glass tulip]

there isnt an ilvl bump at least

[vestal wren]

(assuming legion tw stays in s4)

[glass tulip]

so if you got it you are good

[vestal wren]

season 4 will have a itemlevel increase

[oak sky]

Seek god

[viscid spear]

I'd change the legs or boots into something green, since they're both blue

[timid cloud]

We’re going to uhhh…

[glass tulip]

are you sure fuu?

[timid cloud]

311 last time I heard?

[vestal wren]

i mean

the raid items can get up to 311

[oak sky]

I just run a full set with sunglasses mav im lazy af

[vestal wren]

so would be weird if tw would not go up

[glacial steppe]

will castle items be 311 too?

or just sepulcher

[glass tulip]

where did you see raid ilvl going up?

[vestal wren]

all 3 raids

[odd heath]

311 EoN hmmmmmm hmmmmmm

[glacial steppe]

oh shit

[vestal wren]

normal will be 285

[glacial steppe]

i need to convince my guild to farm sylvanas then

[vestal wren]

and you get 2 difficultly increases

[glass tulip]

SOURCE WHAT IS THE SOURCE PLEASE MAKE ME STOP ASKING

[oak sky]

Actually my best tmog advice is to use a hat that shows off the hair i fw that @glass tulip

[vestal wren]

so you can calculate it

https://www.wowhead.com/news/shadowlands-season-4-raid-loot-clarifications-creation-catalyst-no-shards-of-326991

[glass tulip]

the ptr vendors were selling 252s no?

mhm, I see

Additionally, the World Boss related to whichever raid is currently Fated will also be scaled up - more difficult, and dropping ilvl 285 Fated gear.

[glacial steppe]

i think

s4 will be a banger season

now give me back shrouded suffo and im fine

[timid cloud]

Sire with affixes.

[glass tulip]

SLG with affixes

[vestal wren]

285

[glass tulip]

prototype pantheon with affixes

fatescribe with affixes

all make me want to end it all

[glacial steppe]

isnt prototype like turbo free

[vestal wren]

in season 4 you basically have 1 "affix raid" open each week

rotating

[glass tulip]

doesnt mean it isnt annoying as fuck to play

[vestal wren]

so you can't do all 3 raids every week

[glass tulip]

mechanics vomit garbage

[glacial steppe]

oh yeah it is

[glass tulip]

hopefully our skips will still be enabled though

[glacial steppe]

i had like negative uptime in last phase cus i had to kill adds

[vestal wren]

season 4 so far seems to be just like a regular tier

in terms of itemlevel/etc

just that you get the new loot options with the vendor and upgrade currency

vendor loot:

(from ptr)

[tidal gorge]

Raids with affixes is enough for me to only want slime cat mount

[glacial steppe]

how does it work with vault, like normal raid row?

just its fated gear

[vestal wren]

the 3 vendors

[vestal wren]

no idea, but i assume loot in the vault is either from all 3 raids or from the current "active" one

[subtle tundra]

p4 achieved

[vestal wren]

e.g. if you do 8 kills in cn, you get cn loot in the chest

[subtle tundra]

now i can go to sleep

[vestal wren]

nice gz

[glacial steppe]

now blizz has to increase blade flurry target cap and give sin shrouded back so everyone can be happy

smilers

[subtle tundra]

assa is legit pumper spec for jailer 0 cap

[limber lion]

yeh

[vestal wren]

rly nice output

[limber lion]

just did my first halondrus kill on it as well

pretty poggies :3

[ebon notch]

i want to break my head open

[limber lion]

coulda pumped more but wanted to play it semi safe because I died the previous pull

[glass tulip]

what would be our 3rd fated item from the vendor?

sounds like just a trinket of choice pretty much, right?

[vestal wren]

probably fusion amp

but not sure atm

[glass tulip]

dreadfire vessel? 👀

[limber lion]

Amp is better than DFV

unfortunately

[glass tulip]

so sadge

[limber lion]

Looking like Sigil + Amp angle

[glass tulip]

sigil/amp/double EoN?

[limber lion]

yas

[vestal wren]

i did a sim recently

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/roRcyEyHxC8E7d9zaJ5A63

but take it with a grain of salt

itemlevels might matter too, i put all on the same in the sim

also iirc we don't have phial in s4

[glass tulip]

so you are saying you think raid ilvl is going up, but not dungeons?

or am I confused

why would we not have phial

[drifting cloud]

different dungeons in m+ pool

[vestal wren]

no

i say that raid trinkets can have diffrent item levels

depending on what boss it drops

[glass tulip]

I was referring to this

[vestal wren]

oh

[limber lion]

we don't have plaguefall

[vestal wren]

season 4 has a new pool of dungeons

[limber lion]

it's mega dungeons

[vestal wren]

only talzavesh stays

[limber lion]

and wod dungeons

[vestal wren]

so any other doungeon loot is goneso

[glass tulip]

oh right, brain broke, I remember hearing about all that

currently tunneled on current raid

[subtle tundra]

wtf our warrior is playing 2x speed gem

and he was playing 259 sylvanas neck instead of boe with avoidance wtf

[ember sage]

How much Haste should we aim for now days?

[slow marsh]

at least 69

[ember sage]

% wise

[vestal wren]

@subtle tundra you need https://wago.io/RvbxkQEv2 or trufigcd

[subtle tundra]

yea i've been asked about it before

[tidal gorge]

69 is a pretty nice threshold

[vestal wren]

maybe move it more towards the middle of the chat box varas

[small drift]

guys, vendetta with 4 set changes pandemic right? so normal weak auras that weren't made with that in mind probably show pandemic wrong then in vendetta i guess?

[drifting cloud]

correct

[glass tulip]

Ceverion made a modification to the normal afenar WA's to track this

https://wago.io/rk2kEs76d

[small drift]

ok that explains why i got almost no globals left to do anything than refreshing bleeds in vendetta, because everything is perma in pandemic. also i guess i'm wasting bleeds uptime refreshing already at normal pandemic 😅

[glass tulip]

well to be fair you will still be close to locked to refreshing your bleeds

far more important than anything else to keep those up

[ebon notch]

bro im

fucking blasting

this boss

on yod

[drifting cloud]

leave yod out of this

[ebon notch]

yod got me here he'll get me out

[glass tulip]

@ebon notch a performance worthy of first mounts?

[ebon notch]

i assume theyll give it to whoever loots it

[hollow river]

I think you mean lod

[viscid spear]

I read that as 'fist mouths'

[ebon notch]

ur sussy

[glass tulip]

last dps has to mouth top dps

yummy the gummy

[small drift]

but is there an amount of envenoms i should be able to fit in a vendetta window?

[hollow river]

No

[glass tulip]

envenom exists to keep slice and dice up

nothing more

[viscid spear]

oh no stepbrother, I'm on the bottom

[hollow river]

You’ll usually get 1 maybe 2

Iirc

But CT > envenom unless slice is falling off

[spice spire]

Yes

[languid crag]

extremely dumb question but if I was being lazy/cheap and only wanted to craft one legendary (with the intent to craft the other soon) should I craft unity or dusk

[viscid spear]

Well you get a free 265 Unity belt from the questline

[languid crag]

I'm waiting for my friend to do the campaign

[viscid spear]

[languid crag]

[limber lion]

Dusk first

[viscid spear]

wdym?

[small drift]

would you also need a wa like this for ct or does it work different?

[glass tulip]

CT's pandemic is too short to really matter as well as having far lesser impact if dropped off

in other words, not as relevant to track as the other two but still keep it up as much as possible

[subtle tundra]

man and i dont even have wft

makes me mad

[small drift]

just curious why does it have less impact if dropped?

[viscid spear]

I only use it near the start of the burst by MfDing it before Vend+Shiv
Outside that I throw it out when I'm alright on Garr/Rupt and SnD isn't falling off

My CT uptime must be awful

[glass tulip]

it is just less important than the other two, idk

let me go look at my opener and see

I cast it 4 times between flag and the end of vend

[viscid spear]

Mut-SnD-Mut-Garr-Flag-Rup-MfD-CT-Vend-Shiv-Vanish-Mut-Env-Mut etc

[glass tulip]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Jg8NabcFV271kDyT#fight=13&type=casts&view=timeline&source=16

[viscid spear]

That's every other minute too, in between you wouldn't have Vanish but everything else is the same (though you will likely be Mut'ing twice before Env unless you get a crit)

[small drift]

but refreshing ct at correct pandemic inside vendatta would still be more value than letting it fall off for envenoms if you are fine with other 2 bleeds and snd right?

[glass tulip]

correct

you only want to envemon if either:
a) slice and dice is about to fall off
b) you have literally nothing else to do

otherwise you are refreshing bleeds at the appropriate times

[small drift]

alright was just abit unsure about that bc i had to spam ct so much inside vendetta to keep up with refreshing at pandemic

[viscid spear]

Our bleeds during Vendetta are pog

[small drift]

i might just try to figure out how to apply the same logic from that 2 was to my ct one

[amber fossil]

Marileth or Heirmir for H Andy? Not sure what setting to use to sim, too.

[small drift]

also when do i wanna use pot and trinket in the opener? (i run iqd atm bc i got a 278 from vault), using it b4 the first finisher with flag atm.

[royal lantern]

be lazy and macro pots to your major cd

[limber lion]

Trinket with Vendetta, potion with Flag

[viscid spear]

If he's lazy he wouldn't do it
Because he's too lazy

[limber lion]

technically using IQD with the potion with Flag is better during lust, but it's better to just use trinkets with vendetta everytime

instead of trying to minmax lust windows and then do it differently every other time

[small drift]

y i got my trinket macroed to my potion there lol

oh y true iqd doesn't last for whole vendetta if i use it with flag

i just started playing assa recently but man it already feels so juicy in raid compared to sub with only hc sylv daggers + the assa gear also bumps me up 4 ilvls

[royal lantern]

preach

play all specs, dont be a 1trick

[small drift]

y i was abit hesitant about playing assa first bc i never played it before

[limber lion]

Yeah with lust it would because then it gets +5s extra duration.

but it's kinda whatever

[small drift]

alright ty, might try to use it with flag then in bl

@limber lion just quick question about your 4p bleed weak auras, did you not make a ct one bc its not that important or is it not possible with same logic you used for the other two? wanna try making one for ct but if you already found out its not possible for some reason, i might aswell safe my time 😄

[limber lion]

I didn't add that in, because it's not necessary at all.

You have to maintain garrote/rupture at all times, but it's not the case for CT.

You sometimes have to let CT drop to do other things and that's completely fine

Just having it glow up everytime it drops or enters pandemic is just unnecessary clutter.

You never want your Gar/Rup to drop, that's why they glow whenever in pandemic and not applied, but the case is not really the same for Ct

[small drift]

ok i see ty

i just figured since refreshing ct is still > than envenom it might be worth doing it at the correct pandemic time

[limber lion]

Just refreshing CT at 2s or less everytime is fine

But again, it's super low on the priority list. Using Envenom to maintain SnD is much, much higher on the priority list

You don't need to worry about CT that much

[small drift]

y i mean i kinda also managed to keep up all 3 during vendetta in most cases using the wrong pandemic timers so using the correct ones should make it even easier and since my class wa already has a ct wa i thought might aswell get it with correct pandemic timers

btw is there also a solution for plater pandemic glows for 4 set?

guess it's that that important but i'm so ocd about ui stuff haha

[limber lion]

There is yeah but you would have to code that in yourself

Just add a check for Vendetta

similar to how you would for the weak aura

[terse talon]

how awkward will it feel to try out assa in my 2% haste gear now? :/ pretty starved?

[royal lantern]

you wait a bit longer sometimes

[onyx crane]

is the bleed from cache effected by set? or do we go for sword anyway?

[limber lion]

it is not

we use axe everytime

!cache

[prisma monolith]

Cache of Acquired Treasures usage:
Axe is always the strongest weapon.
Note: The Weapon rotates every 12 seconds in the order Sword -> Axe -> Wand

[strange python]

112 pulls on sire. 50%. Maaaaaybe

[onyx crane]

"Axe is always the strongest weapon." Don't say this to enh shamans

[glass tulip]

sire?

get with the times old man

[strange python]

Jailer. Sire. Thicc dummies. Same thing.

[ebon notch]

pulling ahead of the pack

[hybrid vale]

34*

Doesn’t the star mean you’re the only parse of your spec or something

[oak sky]

small sample size

[gusty mirage]

smol

[hybrid vale]

So it’s a big dose of

jk

[oak sky]

hes saying hes beating his raid

[hybrid vale]

[ebon notch]

beating their meat

wait

[hybrid vale]

I saw that edit..

[sharp wigeon]

is haste tea better than agil tea?

[oak sky]

agi tea is the worst

[bitter aurora]

i remember seeing a custom string to sim for halondrus here but cant find it anymore does anyone know what it is?

[spice spire]

auto_attacks_always_land=1

@bitter aurora

[bitter aurora]

thank you very much

[spice spire]

Np

[small drift]

probably stupid question but does the amount of combo points spend on rupture change it's pandemic window? 😄

[balmy condor]

yes

but it's dependent on the combo points you currently have

not the combo points you spent on rupture

[small drift]

I'm confused haha

but for example if i spent 4 cp or 5 cp on rupture pandemic stays at 7.2 right?

[echo geyser]

@ebon notch

mist gaming

[ebon notch]

wtf is this

[echo geyser]

nf

[ebon notch]

hahaha

what key level

[fallow otter]

pandemic is 30% of the total timer, so less CP means shorter timer so the pandemic window is smaller

[blissful forge]

when do i activate my axe at which point of my opener?

[glass tulip]

whenever it is available

[blissful forge]

before the flag or after the vendetta e.g=

*?

[ebon notch]

literally doesnt matter

when its up

you press

[fallow otter]

you dont have a choice either

to a certain degree 🙂

[blissful forge]

aight, yeah cause i thaught it would be better if you activate it after flag snapshotting bc of the haste

tyvm boys

you can squeeze one mdf and one shiv between the first go and the second go with vendetta no?

[ebon notch]

yes

you send second shiv on cd

cause it buffs the overhang bleeds

from your vendetta

you hold the third one to line up with vend

when vend comes back off cd

[blissful forge]

aight, tyvm. played assa in the beginning of 9.2 but switched to sub mid tier and now i wanna try out assa again with the venth build

so im sorry for those nooby q's

btw how is progress going @ebon notch ?

[ebon notch]

np thats how its for

[ebon notch]

how do you know

[blissful forge]

(: ❤️

[blissful forge]

? xD

[ebon notch]

ok we got a sherlock holmes over here

its fine

we're essentially speedrunning jailer prog

[blissful forge]

haha

[ebon notch]

we'vfe hit p3 a few times and its our 4th day

so not too bad

have loads of shitty mistakes we need to get over and then we should be good

[blissful forge]

lol gz, were at our 2nd day of rygelon atm at got him to <25%

pog

yes, like always. sleep a day or two over it and your muscle memory will do the rest

[ebon notch]

they are adding raid days

like crazy

lmao

we raid 4 days usually

i think we added 2 more?

[blissful forge]

haha i wish they would add some raiddays in our guild

cause 1 day raid is so boring

im also thinking bout to start another rogue just to search for another guild that i can raid with xD

sadly no1 wants bdk 😦

[ebon notch]

i thought everyone wanted bdk

cause theyre invincible

[blissful forge]

ye idk, every guild i asked that is on a mid-tier level of progress atm doesnt want to replace their tanks or anything like that

[ebon notch]

yeah true

thats kind of a weird gap to fill

[blissful forge]

ye that true

started with dk in 9.2 and since then i fell in love with bdk, only other class that is fun to play for me besides rogue

and im not a friend of frost/unholy

[fallow otter]

usually need to try get in the group with another role first, prove you're reliable etc for any worthwhile guild unless you can prove to them through m+ or they in dire need of a tank

[blissful forge]

so i kinda need to search for a spot as a tank

[echo geyser]

21

[ebon notch]

how did he do

[echo geyser]

i got my wrist on hunter so im farming 3k score now

[vast loom]

isnt the new shit no hold according to cev?

[echo geyser]

he had wrong lego and setup apparently

[ebon notch]

i havent heard about that personally

[ebon notch]

[blissful forge]

how much of a loss is the autoattack ring btw if you dont got it?

is it like BIG BIG or is it ah its whatever, just nice for min/max

[bleak sky]

it's a lil chunk of damage

[fallow otter]

can sim in gear comparison

[gray horizon]

yo m anduin is awesome as sin

i am PUMPING

[echo geyser]

u can get it next time

september or august i forgot

[ebon notch]

Wait till you do too much damage to the adds bro

[gray horizon]

We haven't gotten to intermission yet 🙂

Getting there though

[fallow otter]

this is when you will drop down the list 😄

[gray horizon]

RIP lol

Just refreshing CT too much?

[bleak sky]

damn

that's a first

[balmy condor]

ah, that's why you think you're pumping

[gray horizon]

but i r pump

[fallow otter]

other classes like me just shit on the adds much better than sin

[oak sky]

Pumping intermission is impossible our funnel is bad for the fight our 1 min burst is bad and our aoe is bad

[bleak sky]

funnel

[drifting cloud]

[fallow otter]

my guess is that your dmg is best used ST on the big boy and the burst add

[oak sky]

Yeah

[oak sky]

Maintain 5 bleeds on littles that die instantly

[ebon notch]

Does over 400k per pack of lost souls

Well over 1 mill damage in a long wipe

Again just to lost souls

And that's not including fok damage

[gray horizon]

yeah i noticed it's pretty fucking wild

[hollow river]

since when

[vast loom]

#assassination message

#assassination message

those are the most recent things ive found about it

[glass tulip]

andy is so fun I love having to send cds on 2nd necrotic add to get us through intermission 🙂

[indigo totem]

FoK spreads cache axe, right? At work, and memory is fuzzy, but I know this has been mentioned ad nauseum, also, same for CT?

[solid mica]

finally upgraded ^_^

[balmy condor]

yes

[hollow river]

oh it was about shiv yeah my b

but the rule has always been hold for up to 12 seconds for vendetta

sending on cd has just always been the recommendation ig

idk if the hold rule has changed completely now

[vast loom]

I think he said hold under 10 on flag I think? But yeah sending on cd lines up to have atleast 1 full shiv in each vendetta i think

[hollow river]

yeah it typically does unless you end up holding for mechanics at some point

but even then it's typically gonna work out

[rigid vessel]

Hi ! I mainly play sub but i will soon start to progress on Lords of Dread and i will swap sin for it
Do you have some tips that i have to know on this boss ?

[woeful cradle]

hi anyone tell me about mythic plus cleave convenant for sin 🙏

I tried Necro only overall at 12k

[slim wagon]

necro is best for overall and venthyr for prio targets, check the pins and the faqs

[steel ridge]

with necro you are pretty much where you want to be for cleave

[steel ridge]

what kind of numbers do you expect at what gear level?

[hybrid vale]

i gotta be honest covenants/soulbinds/conduits + 2 legendaries + tier sets is kind of an overwhelming amount of borrowed powerz

can't wait to get rid of it 🙂

random morning thoughts

[leaden garden]

yo guys, is asa single target alot behind sub? I prefer asa but will learn sub if its a lot better

[craggy oak]

ahead

[leaden garden]

really 😮 nice

[hybrid vale]

single target is only one damage profile

sub is better at most others

surprised you're asking if assa is behind sub single target if you've played both specs tho

[hardy dagger]

Did a mists 20 and boy does venth assa just slam boss/priodam

[leaden garden]

Its obv from my question i did not play both rofl