assassination

[glass tulip]

if NF -> use septic shock

[viscid spear]

Well we were too late to save the tree

[spice spire]

Idk the decision making but I never went for it. The only difference now is I don’t have to ping for threads. And I can mute people which I hope to never do.

[slow marsh]

Mute me

[viscid spear]

Mute him

Dewit

[timid cloud]

[gusty mirage]

mute me bitch

[spice spire]

I won’t abuse power
Only deserving mutes here friends

[slow marsh]

Your dog isn't even that cute

[timid cloud]

You’re already better than Oxi.

[gusty mirage]

ALRIGHT BRO

SOMEONE BAN THIS KID

[timid cloud]

That’s a lob.

[viscid spear]

I thought you were bae. Turns out you're just fam.
🤟

[gusty mirage]

that's too far @slow marsh

[warm drift]

what legendary would u play in pf as necro?

this week

[gusty mirage]

doomblade

[slow marsh]

Ok you're right I'm sorry

[timid cloud]

Get this mans outta here.

[gusty mirage]

You're just mad I wont show you my toes

[warm drift]

ty @gusty mirage

[timid cloud]

[gusty mirage]

[viscid spear]

PO-TAY-TOES?

[spice spire]

That’s rude

[slow marsh]

Warrior mains getting cf and not even muting anybody smh

[viscid spear]

My cats are cuter than anything else, fax

[glass tulip]

hm

[cerulean nest]

whats the best way to work shiv into m+ with the 2p

[glass tulip]

I think george and ashcats have to be equal

[spice spire]

Warrior main TBD

[gusty mirage]

calls himself a OTP and then he might swap warrior

AWKWARD

[cerulean nest]

are there pack size/number of bleeds conditions?

[glass tulip]

wdym

[gusty mirage]

I'm pretty sure the bot still throws it on CD

[slow marsh]

[cerulean nest]

idk like whats the best time to pop shiv during a pack

[gusty mirage]

I'd have to look tbh

[viscid spear]

oxi is just FunnyBot

[glass tulip]

fuu specifically said he looked and this and didnt like it

I'll see if I can find his message

her messgae

idk

[slow marsh]

His

[viscid spear]

We're all genderless meatbags on the internet

[slow marsh]

But I think you shiv after garrets + CT then spread rup

[ripe gulch]

is there a comparison between specs? just wanna play what is more optimal early on

for progression

[slow marsh]

Sub then

If you have daggers

[ripe gulch]

ight ty 👍

[ripe gulch]

sylvanas?

[slow marsh]

Ye

[ripe gulch]

i dont have on mythic

[viscid spear]

Sub keeps EoN(s) significantly longer than Sin

[slow marsh]

But then again I only have one and my sub is only ~400 ahead of my sin with shards turned off

[glass tulip]

til end of xpac, unless something changes by my understanding

[slow marsh]

So pretty typical, whichever spec you're better at, but sub has an edge (pun intended)

[viscid spear]

I know Whisp has it pinned but what's the consensus in Sub? Is Mythic EoN better than the Mythic dagger from Sep?

[glass tulip]

check sub pins

[slow marsh]

Yeah in oh

[viscid spear]

[slow marsh]

They were talking about some degenerate weapon swapping at 50% some shit yesterday too so

[glass tulip]

why are sub players so gross

[viscid spear]

So the BiS for Sub is Mythic Sep MH / Mythic EoN OH, interesting

[gusty mirage]

what do you think black powder is?

it's bottles of their BO

[slow marsh]

It's just what happens when a spec is super good then gets nerfed out of existence for so long

They're like little crack babies

[timid cloud]

It wasn't even THAT good in BFA.

It was literally just Zul.

[gusty mirage]

lmao don't ruin their reality

🤣

[glass tulip]

I mean talent swapping, 20 second prepull setups and now mid encounter weapon swaps

like someone come stop these fools

[timid cloud]

Make the weapon unswappable, just like Jotunger is right now for melee.

[cerulean nest]

people memeing on sin in keys but then beating them is the best feeling

[timid cloud]

Ez fix.

[cerulean nest]

fuck the haters

[slow marsh]

I mean good for them that they get to do it I guess. Just sucks our best prepull is mfd snd for like 3 dps

[timid cloud]

That's less cringe.

[glass tulip]

I am a vanish mut env mfd env enjoyer

[timid cloud]

Love doing pre-pull shenanigans just for some dum-dumb to grief me.

[glass tulip]

prepull is for picking my nose

[timid cloud]

Pre-pull is for me fixing my mog.

The REAL DPS gain.

[glass tulip]

boomy prepulls and then you are stuck with a 190 ilvl neck on with no leggo

[rotund oak]

pre-pull is for petting my dog

[timid cloud]

⤴️

[viscid spear]

It really is a Boomie every time, isn't it

[glass tulip]

I see that one wrath cast flying over my head and I know its over

[viscid spear]

You use Shroud during the countdown, I hope

[glass tulip]

absolutely not

I refuse to shroud my raid

[viscid spear]

It's a dps increase, I have no proof, it just is trust me bro

[glass tulip]

I walk around in stealth all day, I know how close I can walk. These monkeys walk around in the open so when they get into stealth they walk up and try to slap the bosses' ass

and bam, floor hugger

[cerulean nest]

my favorite is shrouding and then shadowstepping to the ranged 2 seconds before pull to freak the melee out

[viscid spear]

That's what I mean, condition them to expect it, then just don't do it one time and see what happens.
Pavlov's Shroud, bitches

[charred wraith]

Distract the boss

[viscid spear]

raid member equips [Brown Leather Pants]

[versed cobalt]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[spice spire]

house arthas AKA house Venn diagram is a guild known for all three of its assassination rogues to form a Venn diagram with the boss in the overlapping points, in this essay I will…

[viscid spear]

Venn Diagram Shroud

[wispy aspen]

Does the Dust trick work and recommend for Assassination as well, or is it worth for Sub only?

[slow marsh]

sub only

[glass tulip]

what about for followers

[viscid spear]

Shame we can't do something with the Shards after this week.

[glass tulip]

all my homies hate shards

except me bc the 2 characters I raided on I got all 9 in under 2 lockouts :)

[viscid spear]

I meant exchange them for gold or something

Right now we'll either keep them in the piece and put it in the bank or take the shard out and put that in Void Storage

[glass tulip]

what is void storage

[viscid spear]

[glass tulip]

how is it different from the bank

[viscid spear]

It's more bank space that you pay to withdraw your items from

[glass tulip]

oh

well my bank is like 80% empty

[viscid spear]

I don't even know what's in my Void Storage, I forget it exists so often.
I should look at it

[austere cave]

hey gamers, was just wondering...is 41% crit and 13% haste good as necro sin for raiding in sod? :o

[strange python]

raiding in sod ?

[misty holly]

It's fine. If you could drop some mastery for more haste would prob be better

Pretty much stack as much crit as you can and then take whatever you get for the other secondaries is how it usually goes

[glass tulip]

For your 1 last sod raid, yeah thats not too bad

but that is obsolete in 10 days

[obsidian edge]

i get lost in translation what the duskwalker leggo effet? There is so much with this name

[misty holly]

lower vendetta cooldown

[obsidian edge]

thx

[rotund oak]

for every 30energy spend it lowers 1 second on your vendetta

[cerulean nest]

does that affect how we pool at all?

[slow marsh]

not really

[glass tulip]

the rotation for NF double leggo is pretty simple too when you reduce it to numbers

its a 3-1-2-1 pattern every 30 seconds

[cerulean nest]

what are the threes twos and ones lol

[slow marsh]

sepsis vendetta shiv

in order

[cerulean nest]

oh oh

[glass tulip]

3 (0:00) - vendetta sepsis shiv
1 (0:30) - shiv
2 (1:00) - vendetta shiv
1 (1:30) - shiv
(repeat x3)

and that is for a 4:30 fight or shorter

[slow marsh]

ye that but it's gonna be a minute before you have to worry about htat anyways

[cerulean nest]

yeah gotchu, thought you were talking about something else

[glass tulip]

whispyr explains it here: #916546791472783371 message

but its quite wordy so the pattern helped me understand it

[cerulean nest]

i keep glossing over the fact that we'll get soulshape

what a time to be alive

[glass tulip]

regular rotation for an encounter longer than 4:30 is:
3-1-2a-2b-2a-1

a = vendetta. b = sepsis

[brazen zodiac]

sup mav

[thorn lynx]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[pliant nest]

do you ever use ambush if youre not specced into blindside?

[brazen zodiac]

i think in m+ its a bit of a gain to use it

[gusty mirage]

nope, you only use ambush if you're specced into either blindeside or subterfuge, or if you're night fae

[pliant nest]

ok thanks

[pure moth]

Is ambush a mininal gain in dungeons?

[brazen zodiac]

good morning oxi!

[limber lion]

Yes, Ambush is a gain when using subterfuge on single target.

But it's pretty minimal and you don't have to think about it too much

On aoe you always prioritize garrotes

[brazen zodiac]

hi cev :)

[limber lion]

sup

[brazen zodiac]

whats poppin

[cerulean nest]

easy responses to anyone questioning your place in raid, feel free to use

[glass tulip]

lol

average dratnos enjoyers

I think they need to not forget that was a prediction

not this is definitively how good each spec is

[cerulean nest]

I think they do lol

tier lists know how to ruffle things up

[rotund oak]

u want more dratnos scolding join the outlaw channel,we got cookies

😅

[glass tulip]

outlaw d tier stay mad nerds

capped just like their aoe

[brazen zodiac]

he goes stay mad nerds

lmfao

[exotic rose]

Hey guys, is there a pin with the night fae opener?

[hollow river]

all that stuff will be updated in the guides soon i'm sure

[exotic rose]

👍

[oak sky]

@spice spire 🤔

🟩

[spice spire]

[oak sky]

Green looks good on you

[spice spire]

Not half as good as it looks on the other boys tho

Ty tho papi

Hope to be a good figure for all the assassination homies

[oak sky]

You definitely have a good figure

[gusty mirage]

I'll turn your insides into a figure 8 if you know what I mean

[spice spire]

Bros?!

[gusty mirage]

yeah bro?

[spice spire]

Y’all good?

We chilling?

[oak sky]

Sorry the new clothes just got me excited

[spice spire]

I feel you homie

Unfortunately I can’t see my name still

Colorblind, Unfort

[oak sky]

Oof

[gusty mirage]

want one of my eyes?

[spice spire]

Nah I want something else

Ya feel me

[slow marsh]

that big toe

[spice spire]

Yessir

[hollow river]

congratz

[tropic hearth]

How big is the gap between performance for all the covenants? trying to decide what i want to go as like, my main covenant on my rogue

[bleak sky]

[hollow river]

check the pins

[hollow river]

god tier emote

[bleak sky]

whispyr puts assassin in A tier

thanks for the nerf

[spice spire]

Thank you papi

[zinc frost]

Hey better than outlaw almost getting put in C tier

[limber lion]

I was surprised Outlaw wasn't immediately in C or swamp ass personally.

Good tier set, decent double lego

but the numbers overall are just super low and doesn't really bring anything to a raid.

[zinc frost]

I think guy was messaging him saying “don’t you dare put it in C”

[limber lion]

Anyways, 9.2 dropping in a few days. I'm kinda hyped to get to play WoW again after such a long time

[cunning prism]

do we know which 9.2 NF soulbinds seems to be best?

[limber lion]

Yes, Dreamweaver.

[cunning prism]

Alright appreciate it, trying to get it setup ahead of time

[slow marsh]

they just found a huge gain earlier

venthyr dust KS

dust is like 10% over cele and KS is 5% over blade rush so there's some stuff brewing for the pirates

[limber lion]

Yeah, it's still really bad

Under 15k sim, compared to 16.7k for Sub

[gusty mirage]

but those gains will put it over the 15k mark

[oak sky]

Venthyr outlaw is pretty cool tbh

[limber lion]

No, according to Guy's sims Outlaw is around 14.8-14.9

[oak sky]

So now they play dreadblades KS

[limber lion]

but not sure what his profile is like

Anyways, still behind by a lot

could use an assa rogue treatment

[oak sky]

Aura buff szn

[slow marsh]

he's said multiple times the profiles are scuffed but ye i get what you mean

like the tier still isn't anything to write home about

[gusty mirage]

ye or just straight up making the 4pc buff bte damage or something

[oak sky]

Its pretty good at this point honestly

Isnt it around 10% and pretty fun

[limber lion]

Yes

[oak sky]

It could still be tuned higher but its not shit tier or anything

[gusty mirage]

nah the new version is miles better than the original

just needs some damage love

das it

[slow marsh]

ye

a 6cp bte just isn't enough damage to justify a 4p imo

but the free cps and the extra cp finisher for cdr makes it function well

[zinc frost]

What’s everyone’s thoughts on shiv? I think it’s about time they seperate it for sin, keep shiv a soothe and a seperate CD that increases nature dmg and 2pc interaction

[slow marsh]

we take what we can get

[cerulean nest]

feel like the sin rotation would be much more boring without it

[gusty mirage]

yeah not sure why they decided to cake in toxic blade into our "utility"

but it is what it is I guess

[limber lion]

"about time"? The shiv interaction is a completely new thing introduced in Shadowlands. Shiv, previously Toxic Blade, was a damage amplification and nothing more.

But yes, it is pretty dumb that it's tied to Shiv, when it's one of our more stronger buttons.

[zinc frost]

Yeah that’s sorta what I’m referring to, reintroduce toxic blade as baseline for us and have something seperate we can use for soothes. Going into pug keys explaining why I can’t soothe

[gusty mirage]

just pretend you don't speak english

[limber lion]

Well, usually the soothe is more important than whatever small amount of damage you get from Shiv

[gusty mirage]

and if they know the language you're pretending to speak instead, tell them you're blind

[limber lion]

...until 9.2 and tier sets that is.

Once we get the tier set, it's gg.

[zinc frost]

I think I might just make a macro that says “guys I’m sorry I can’t be relied on for soothes, damage is tied to my 2pc set, why aren’t you bugging the Druid?”

[silent tinsel]

Do I have to worry about sylvanus dagger at all on assa?

Looks like no

[limber lion]

Not really no.

[obtuse robin]

max list looking real diff from dratnos WHO DO I BELEIVE

[cerulean nest]

screenshot?

[obtuse robin]

HE IS DOING IT RN ON STREAM

oops

idk what the criteria is tho

[cerulean nest]

OKAY THANK YOU FOR THE INFORMATION

[loud light]

he just calls people and asks them, so if you don't like rogue ones blame whispyr

[paper nacelle]

its only people not in top guilds i think. and are like the community figures of the spec

[cerulean nest]

cant tell if that's more biased or less lmao

[obtuse robin]

yea he is getting his info from cm

[fading elbow]

Some are theorycrafters

[obtuse robin]

like whys

[paper nacelle]

as long as the people dont sandbag then it should be a "decent" tier list. as much as they can be. still is context and situational at best. bc most of the people are TC for their specs and know how it works etc

[loud light]

gotta watch out for those unethical ones

[obtuse robin]

this makes me wonder were drat gets his info

some wildy different spots

[echo geyser]

pretty sure hes just ranking them himself

[obtuse robin]

has to be

[brazen zodiac]

sup black

[paper nacelle]

i mean ye. most tier lists are based on an indivuals knowledge and biases

[obtuse robin]

hai 🙂

[brazen zodiac]

whats poppin

[obtuse robin]

farming choreghast for nf ;/

[brazen zodiac]

;/

[spice spire]

Neither, tier lists generally bad. Tho afaik max asks the community for their perception as well as taking his own, so maybe that one.

Iirc no rogues were S-A tier for SoD and you see how that went

They’re mostly in good fun at least

[obtuse robin]

well if i dont beleive maxs that means i dont beleive whyspr

cuz thats who gave him the info

and whyspr is life

[spice spire]

That seems like a winner to me

In wow, and probably irl whispyr far smarter than I

[obtuse robin]

hundo p

[brazen zodiac]

sup quakeroats!

[spice spire]

Howdy vita

[brazen zodiac]

heistin on path what u doin gamer

[spice spire]

Bedge

Long day, 4 am early blah blah

[brazen zodiac]

lmfao

i took a fat nap and woke up to my dog licking the fuck out of my face

[spice spire]

mentality homie

The 💭

[gusty mirage]

don't forget cuter

[agile geode]

Did max made another tier list recently?

[spice spire]

Rn

[agile geode]

Can you link me ?

[slow marsh]

ytho

[spice spire]

It ended, it was earlier today

[obtuse robin]

so you can hear whyspyr cute voice

thats why !!

[spice spire]

I dm’d it to him

Not thrilled posting that stuff in here

[slow marsh]

yeah it was pretty sus anyways

other than the melee are strong and ranged kinda aren't bits

I enjoy tier lists because of the discussion around specs and stuff, but I dislike that they are tier lists if that makes sense

[agile geode]

Assa and sub seems quite equal again

Cool

[spice spire]

Preemptively ranking things seems unproductive given many things can change + unknown interactions can be found (mfd, frost set, etc. in SoD) but the discussion is nice

[balmy condor]

legit went from chilling at work to a call with max on my shit ass laptop mic in 2 minutes

[fathom swift]

noooooooo how could you rate my pet spec higher/lower than I think it is

[balmy condor]

my favorite is "why is outlaw so high" but if I put outlaw lower "why is outlaw so low"

[obtuse robin]

lmao

[spice spire]

Why isn’t outlaw in C-/D+ Tier

[fathom swift]

true true

put it in the bin

[balmy condor]

Upper tier swamp ass

[spice spire]

Damn that’s what you ranked me too

Guess I’m not an OTP ruff

[obtuse robin]

why isnt outlaw in d tier thats were drat put it !!!

[balmy condor]

!!!

[brazen zodiac]

sup whips!

[balmy condor]

to be fair me and tettles did talk about the ranking after

and he's like yeh makes sense but also I'm right

[spice spire]

Oh

[balmy condor]

and I'm like yeh makes sense but also I'm right

[spice spire]

Ruff

[balmy condor]

and we both went on our way

[sinful flicker]

Hey guys, i have a few questions since im out of the loop. I read most of the stuff, but scrolling through disc looking for small bits of information is kinda rough. my main question is that for the first week of heroic raid, should i be nightfae? or should i go venthyr? and also what legendary would i be using for the first week, for both m+ and raid. thank you guys

[cunning needle]

your question is answered in one of them

[sinful flicker]

what about for mythic+?

I see necro but i dont see what legendary i use

[chilly cave]

If I'm not mistaken the wowhead guides have been updated for the most part

[balmy condor]

basically until double lego and tier, you're playing 9.1

venth

obed

all that good stuff

[spice spire]

Necrolord in keys is going to be zold+deathspike with two legendaries and just zold with one afaik.

Once we hit our 4p, it’s dusk+unity in all content

[bleak sky]

necro in keys is also unity + dusk

[sinful flicker]

thanks dad

[bleak sky]

we can't escape dusk

[gusty mirage]

[bleak sky]

it's EVERYWHERE

[spice spire]

Did you not read the 4p bit mister Minalba

[gusty mirage]

bro don't bully him cause he can't read

[spice spire]

Bro I’d never bully a goat

[gusty mirage]

there there @bleak sky it'll be okay come here buddy

[bleak sky]

help the mod is bullying me

because I'm illiterate

[balmy condor]

the word is Billy goat

[spice spire]

Words are greatest of all time

Idk of his name is billy Damn

That’s invasive

[gusty mirage]

I'll tell val and she'll beat him for us dw

[spice spire]

She doesn’t need a reason

You’ve spoke with me for more than five minutes

Imagine living with me

[tight ginkgo]

[drifting cloud]

[brazen zodiac]

i bet u make a mean breakfast

[spice spire]

It’s my only redeeming quality

[zinc frost]

His signature dish are his PanQuakes.. I’ll see myself out

[obtuse robin]

every third sentance out of vits mouth is about food

[tight ginkgo]

food is great

[brazen zodiac]

foods the only thing that keeps me going bro

life sucks but at least i can make a fat fucking burrito with a soda and watch some stupid shit on twitch

[brazen zodiac]

HA good one

[echo geyser]

i had like 5 or 6 tacos/burritos yday

[brazen zodiac]

as you should eat ya dreams

i put pork and a bunch of different peppers in mine for the first time yesterday was super yummy

[uneven summit]

looking like 2222221 in 9.2?

[hollow river]

after tier set and double leggo when we go NF yes

other than that, sim yourself as you go

subterfuge likely picks up once we have tier set

[slow forge]

Okay so how bad is vers for sin in raid? On ptr my 255 bis feral is doing just as much as 270 rogue

[hollow river]

what

a little vers is ok but you definitely don't stack it like with pvp gear

[slow forge]

On a dummy for 5m I’m sitting at 10-10.5k overall

On 255 feral and 270 rogue

[hollow river]

ok?

[slow forge]

Okay so it’ll likely be much higher with proper stats

[hollow river]

idk if i'd say much higher

idk what the point of these observations are

[slow forge]

It was literally my first question?

[hollow river]

ig i meant like, comparing the dps

[slow forge]

It’s okay I got my answer don’t hurt yourself trying to answer it

[sharp zodiac]

Jesus

[hollow river]

[zinc frost]

[open reef]

@hollow river how many fights will be pure st in next tier

[hollow river]

like 2 or 3?

idr exactly

[open reef]

Wondering if ventyr still be ok

[hollow river]

ehhh

depends on how ok you are losing x dps

[open reef]

On 2 target fights

[sharp zodiac]

Skolex, Dasani water (more or less),Halondrus rn @open reef

[pseudo hamlet]

tbh I will be only playing Vent, it seems the most versatile(in both raiding and M+)

[sharp zodiac]

You’re prolly playing venth until you get double leggos and tier

[hollow river]

Imo Necro may be better for that

[sharp zodiac]

Obviously depending on the fight you can adjust

[pseudo hamlet]

...or not! Just noticed that Fea is NR1 in ST and NR2 in DSlice 🤔

[sharp zodiac]

After double leggos and tier. Need to get to that point first

Gonna be a few weeks

[pseudo hamlet]

Yeah, that's true. Though I will be just playing the "best spec", to master the rotation. The difference in DPS shouldn't be that high I guess

[sharp zodiac]

Each spec will have its day in the sun on different fights

But I understand what you mean

[hollow river]

Except outlaw

[sharp zodiac]

Wdym outlaw does 15million DPS I saw the graphs today

[pseudo hamlet]

yeah, my guild is probably going to kill me because I'll suck before getting the 4PC double Lego

[hollow river]

[sharp zodiac]

You’ll be surprised. Learning fights means some melee DPS have a lot of boss downtime while handling new mechanics you should be fine as a DoT class

[pseudo hamlet]

Hope so, I won't be going for the biggest upgrades first few weeks. I will be going straight to the BIS gear(in the late game).

I mean like: getting duskwalker ring instead of Obedience as Venthyr etc.

[sharp zodiac]

Don’t run Dusk until you have double leggo though

[ashen scroll]

You could also play one of the other 2 specs until you get a 4pc

[pseudo hamlet]

I will be using Dashing till I get proper items... won't waste gold on the legendary items that I won't be using in the late game. Especially on that dead realm (there are still 262 legendaries which cost >300k on AH).

[pseudo hamlet]

I hate them though

[ashen scroll]

Rip

[sharp zodiac]

Yeah I get that if it’s a gold cost thing. You might want to sim as well honestly. If 235 is affordable for you obedience might be more worth

I dunno how shit Dashing becomes as a single leggo off the top of my head without frost gems

[pseudo hamlet]

Well, still got doomblade because of PvP. So the NF is also a good option I guess

[sharp zodiac]

100% just run some sims and play what is BiS for you until you have the items you need

[open reef]

Yea without dom socket buffs haste > crit again

With obediance

[lapis spindle]

Guys, is sin shining 9.2 ? Any pros got by playing it in pvp pve ?

I like sub but Im used to sin aswell

[fleet imp]

Both pvp and pve stay sub tbh

[echo geyser]

yeah u dont need daggers on sin

[zinc frost]

[lapis spindle]

[oak sky]

sin has good cleave

thats the pro

[zinc frost]

In all seriousness, sin will pump with set bonus and double Lego

[echo geyser]

i heard good things about early prog

sin 2p 1lego necro

for cleave stuff

[oak sky]

i cant remember which set levels necro is sick at

think it might be 4p

[echo geyser]

[zinc frost]

4 piece single lego?

[oak sky]

yeah

double leggo you never go necro

deathspike is minimal st

[echo geyser]

4p

in 5 weeks before u unlock 2x lego right?

[oak sky]

uh yeah

3rd week of mythic i think

[echo geyser]

doesnt sound impossible if split raiding for sure

granted u can mix normal + hc pieces

[oak sky]

i think on pantheon you would go necro before 4p but everything else its venth before 4p

then at 4p nf st necro any cleave/adds

[sharp zodiac]

You can get giga luck and get 3pc heroic week and pull the 4th from M+ GV

[oak sky]

yeah its possible

[sharp zodiac]

[heavy forge]

yeah

and you could get Sylvie's dagger too

more than once in the entire progress

[sharp zodiac]

I mean I already have both of them

[heavy forge]

but that's just statistics

I have one HC dagger and one 246 random dagger

no one looted from NerZul or the vault

[zinc frost]

We might get some copypasta if you continue to mention slyv daggers

[heavy forge]

in the entire tier

[sharp zodiac]

That sounds hella unluck

[heavy forge]

even M Sylv didn't end my suffering

[sharp zodiac]

Yeah took my 15 M Sylv kills before I saw one from the actual boss loot

15 kills of two rogues in for every kill

[oak sky]

i got my first one from vault and i got my 2nd from the boss then traded another

[heavy forge]

got one HC early in the vault, then nothing

[oak sky]

yeah i had an early m+ vault dagger then a heroic dagger in the vault a bit later

[sharp zodiac]

I traded a heroic one to my other rogue raider at the start of the tier. Feels like I’m giving them Excalibur

[oak sky]

but ive had sylv down for a couple months at this point

[vestal wren]

yes

[strange silo]

so i get it right sin venthyr is the first few weeks the pick then swap to nightfae so i can skip kyrian/necro renown right?
and yes i saw the pins just wanna make sure

[grim topaz]

What are the predictions for 8.2,we ibsta swapping nf or?

Fucking auto correct

[vestal wren]

necro is also a nice start

[vestal wren]

its in the pins, but i like that you are back in bfa with your patch number

[grim topaz]

Well this phone man, can't even open pings, will check once I get home thanks mate! 👍

[sturdy merlin]

Hey, it may sound like a dumb question but i just wanna be sure about one thing : with the sepsis/shiv logic we're going from "slam shiv on cd" to "hold shiv for 0:30, 1:00, 1:30" no matter how many casts we may lose in a fight ?

[tame coyote]

no still slam shiv, just hold for some seconds to pair it at some point

[junior rampart]

With tomorrow's reset, shards will no longer work. Right?

[jaunty kayak]

they should still work in korthia/maw iirc.. but anywhere else disabled

[jaunty kayak]

nevermind.. check #wow-general

[glass tulip]

Since shiv is a 25 second cooldown, the theoretical hold is 5 seconds each, meaning you are only losing 1 cast every 3 minutes the fight goes on.

[limber lion]

Lol no.

[limber lion]

Yes, syncing with Vend/Sepsis is a gain as NF.

You would send on other covenants.

[junior rampart]

Found. Thanks

[hollow river]

I wonder if the whole 0-30-60-90-120s thing may cause misplays for some people

Instead of send 1 & 2 on cd and sync 3rd with vend and 4th with sepsis. It basically looks like the same 12sec logic as it is now or am I forgetting something

[inner atlas]

Would Mark for Death be good in this case?

[hollow river]

Ig you could make a WA to make shiv glow at the correct time

[sturdy merlin]

Only for venth @inner atlas

I remember reading Whispyr saying mfd for venth and DS for other covs

[inner atlas]

ok

I'm curious about Vendetta windows? Will energy regen be enough in single target to go down to 1min?

[hollow river]

Yeah

[sturdy merlin]

Yes

[steel ridge]

easily, the problem will be to get flagellation cd down enough to line it up 😄

[inner atlas]

What's the theoretical max reduction you could get on Vendetta?

[hollow river]

But we’re using sepsis

[inner atlas]

Down to 45 secs?

[hollow river]

Nah

[steel ridge]

if you can snack benevolent faeries, yes

[hollow river]

Well maybe on cleave

[steel ridge]

[hollow river]

Likely 50

Iirc we can get it to roughly 55 in ST already

Depending

[steel ridge]

full send

[hollow river]

Your bleeds in vendetta tick 2x rate so you regen a lot during that window

Typically more than we can spend

[inner atlas]

I guess it depends on how much haste one can stack as well

[steel ridge]

set kinda got nerfed for assa

on ptr i had 30% base haste, which was kinda pog

[hollow river]

??

[steel ridge]

statwise

[hollow river]

Oh the stats

[steel ridge]

its less haste now

[hollow river]

Yeah

[steel ridge]

alot less

[hollow river]

Not that big of a deal

We can supplement it elsewhere

[grim topaz]

we're back to stacking mastery? or is that an error in the sim sheet?

[hollow river]

Stacking, no

[limber lion]

What sim sheet

[hollow river]

We will likely want a little mastery, but nothing crazy

Cev did you see what I said earlier

I was wondering your thoughts on it

About shiv

[glass tulip]

#assassination message

[hollow river]

Yeah that^

I feel like we wouldn’t ever come to a point where it’d be >12s unless I’m not thinking far enough into a timer

[limber lion]

Kind of, but with 9.2 you want to force Shiv with every Vendetta *the same moment you press Vendetta" and every Sepsis, but Dusk makes it more rng where sometimes you might have moments where the 12s rule might not apply. If you follow the 12s rule, you would sometimes end up using Shiv at the last 9s of Vend, but currently we want full value of the exsanguinated bleeds, including the overhang after Vendetta.

The sim previously also prioritized getting as many Shiv casts as possible, whereas now we don't care about TTD as much.

If you use Shiv right before Vend or together with Vend, your Vendetta overhang would benefit from the Shiv as well.

If you follow the 12s rule, this does not work.

[hollow river]

How so?

[limber lion]

It also messes up the timers after the fact.

[hollow river]

I see. Hmm

[cerulean junco]

Also have to keep in mind other interactions during a fight that may alter your timings

Mechanics intermissions etc

[hollow river]

Sure sure I simply meant in a vacuum, such as a sim or pure patchwerk no downtime ofc

[cerulean junco]

Yeah definitely I agree.

[limber lion]

Yoy press Vend and Shiv together.
Vend drops after 20s, but you just reapplied gar/rup.
After 5seconds you would Shiv again to make us of the last 5-10 seconds og overhang.

So technocally it's not 0-30-60-90-120

It's 0-25-60-90-120

[hollow river]

Oo so you squeeze a second shiv to juice a little overhang basically

I see

[cerulean junco]

Just tried to add sepsis to that and now my brain hurts

Need coffee

[hollow river]

Lmao

[glass tulip]

[hollow river]

Basically you can’t juice the overhang on your second vendetta?

[limber lion]

It's not too bad.

Press Shiv with Vendetta and Sepsis, and immediately after Vendetta again.
Press Shiv with Vendetta, hold for Sepsis.

[hollow river]

Yeah

[limber lion]

Correct, you'd hold for Sepsis

[hollow river]

Yeah I gotcha

[limber lion]

But this again is super duper minmaxy

[pure moth]

so shiv is always paired with something. regardless

[limber lion]

And not really worth the brain power if it causes you to mess up

[limber lion]

Correct.

[hollow river]

So something like if sepsis in >Xs don’t juice overhang kinda

[limber lion]

Yeh

That's why it's easier to just say it's 0-30-60-90-120

[hollow river]

The vendetta effect is snapshotting hate isn’t it?

[limber lion]

Because the gain from the overhang is quite minimal honestly

And might mess up the second vendetta overhang

And sepsis sync

And if that happens, you're doomed

[hollow river]

Wonder if there’s anything cool we can do with that, other than the soul bind haste proc

[limber lion]

Correct

[glass tulip]

and its always CD -> shiv, correct?

[limber lion]

Yeh, that's a safe bet.

[hollow river]

Yeah. I think there will be much more skill expression with sin from the sound of everything

I’m happy about that

[limber lion]

Definitely.

[cerulean junco]

Do you know if it was found out how long holding a CD is appropriate. For example if you do not get full value of duskwalkers vendetta timing will be off

[glass tulip]

weed out the sub mains like whispyr

[limber lion]

From syncing to playing with the overhang and dealing with multiple targets at the same time

[limber lion]

We generally don't want to hold Vendetta ever unless it causes you to not get full value of it.

[hollow river]

Multiple targets during Vendetta felt really bad

[limber lion]

It really depends on the encounter.

[hollow river]

Do you even try to cleave other than CT?

It’s insane

[limber lion]

I'm not sure if there's been cleave sims made yet

The logic could definitely change

[alpine latch]

So rotationally: Keep bleeds up, ambush when free proc (and out of combat after you refresh garrote), hold Shiv for after CD (Vendetta/Sepsis), ???, profit

[limber lion]

But I'm assuming yoy just slam ST and use CT

Because ST gives full daturation already

[hollow river]

And for example on Artificer intermission

[limber lion]

Vanish for subterfuge garrotes

That's it

[alpine latch]

yeah

[hollow river]

I would have vendetta up and send on one of the big adds

[cerulean junco]

That would be sick if you only needed to CT

[hollow river]

But it’d die in like 10 sec lol

But I’d be holding for way too long to not use it

[alpine latch]

Wait are we running CT for 9.2 single target? Bah, I don't have that in my notes

[limber lion]

Yeah, technically you'd apply all bleeds outside of Vendetta or double garrote with Subterfuge

[hollow river]

No

[limber lion]

But that's about it yeh

[hollow river]

Only 2+

[limber lion]

Definitely not.

Cleave/aoe encounters are different of course

It's always been 2+ targets CT

But now it kinda leans a bit more on CT even with add waves and not consistent targets

[odd heath]

Prototype pantheon p3 will be crazy as assassin

4 tgts sustained

[limber lion]

I love it.

[odd heath]

Me too

[agile geode]

Maybe there Is necrosin confirmed

[odd heath]

Keeping track of multiple bleeds is something I really enjoy

[alpine latch]

Oh thank god, okay good

Looking at the fights in 9.2, we'll still probably run it a fair bit in raid

There seem to be a few cleave/aoe portions of fights

[spice spire]

Prototype is almost assuredly best as Necrolord - but the rest not so much.

[hollow river]

Too bad that shits gonna be like 1 minute with lust

I hope lords of dread or w/e is like a full on cleave fight

2 main targets for the entire fight, ~6-8 minutes long

[steel ridge]

how does assa compare to outlaw in a sustained 4 target phase like pantheon?

[hollow river]

For 9.2? Idk

Sin is usually better at 2-4 targets

[odd heath]

Yes.. but 2tgt for a lot of time also, time to shine :)

[limber lion]

You'd have to sim that, we don't have the answers for such niche questions.

[hollow river]

Outshone

[steel ridge]

@limber lion fight style patchwerk 4 bosses?

[hollow river]

That wouldn’t be patchwerk then

[steel ridge]

should do the trick

[glass tulip]

[hollow river]

[rotund oak]

[gusty mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/the-simpsons-enter-leave-bye-gif-16118048

[viscid spear]

[spice spire]

Wdym

[hollow river]

[spice spire]

That’s what I call pod racing

We’re zooming buddy

[viscid spear]

Maintaining Garrote & Rupture on all 4 is going to be fun
Even if it's only for a short bit

[limber lion]

Patchwork is not 5min single target.

Patchwork is simply a Fight Style where the amount of targets provided will not do anything.

If you're simming for 4 targets, you would sim for patchwork 4 targets, yes.

@steel ridge

[hollow river]

[steel ridge]

told ya

[viscid spear]

Poor Patchwerk, started out as a raid boss in Vanilla, and has been a concept ever since

[steel ridge]

science biatch

[limber lion]

But 4 target patchwork means that you have access to all 4 targets at all times

And I doubt that's the case for the Pantheon

[hollow river]

Reported too smart no allowed

[limber lion]

All raid-specific sims can be a bit misleading, so do take them with a grain of salt

Outlaw obviously only benefits from 4 targets if they're on top of each other.

[viscid spear]

Outlaw

[steel ridge]

well they can be quite a bit apart if you stand in the middle of them

[hollow river]

Outlaw is dead anyway Oxi stated it himself

[viscid spear]

Someday they won't be the butt of jokes

[hollow river]

[gusty mirage]

[hollow river]

[steel ridge]

but my rudimentary 4 target patchwerk sim just now kinda gave me the impression both specs are fairly close, sadly i dont have necrolord assa for comparison

[gusty mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/teletubbies-dipsy-teletubby-running-running-late-gif-16009851

[viscid spear]

oxi the surgeon calling time of death on a spec

[limber lion]

You can still sim Necrolord for Assa. Just sim Assa on Top Gear, slap on all the gear/soulbinds/gems/enchants/covenants that you want

and then just copy that profile over.

[gusty mirage]

I did not say dead to be fair, I believe my wording was “outlaw sucks, it’s simming feral levels bad”

[hollow river]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-leaving-leave-oops-bye-gif-17519616

[gusty mirage]

[spice spire]

Bro it’s only C tier, hello?!

[gusty mirage]

Don’t @ me bro

[viscid spear]

Breaking news: oxi confirms Feral is dead
More at 11

[hollow river]

I stg you said “outlaw is dead” but you were joking. I think

[gusty mirage]

I plead the fifth

[limber lion]

Too much green in here

[gusty mirage]

[steel ridge]

no worries, i am providing yellow contrast

[gusty mirage]

Cev and I are about to duel outside the saloon at sunrise

[viscid spear]

I don't even know my own country's amendments, damn sure don't know yours

[limber lion]

You promise?

[glass tulip]

im colorblind, cant tell the difference between red and green anyway

[limber lion]

Naked like last time?

[spice spire]

Real

[gusty mirage]

There’s other ways to duel?

[spice spire]

But they’re the same country

[viscid spear]

You never notice Christmas approaching suddenly?

[limber lion]

I wouldn't know

[gusty mirage]

[viscid spear]

I though oxi lived in Europe?

[spice spire]

Nop

[gusty mirage]

[limber lion]

[gusty mirage]

I wish

[glass tulip]

NA lawyer

[gusty mirage]

Then I’d be closer to Cev and dadsen

[spice spire]

How dare you tarnish the name of oxii-Illidan

[viscid spear]

Somebody live in Europe?

[spice spire]

Cev

[limber lion]

It's fucking awful in here

[viscid spear]

Great I'm racist, just with colors.

[gusty mirage]

Don’t dox me they’ll see my parses and make fun of me

[limber lion]

there's a really really bad snowstorm outside

glad I don't have places to be today

[spice spire]

Oh I was like damn Cev

Tell me how you really feel

[spice spire]

Au natural triple nine? That’s a 99 on the Nine btw

[glass tulip]

Finnish? More like go finish your homework lil fella

[drifting cloud]

Why do I need to see your parses for that?

[gusty mirage]

I KNEW IT

[viscid spear]

dadsen already hates me

[gusty mirage]

I had you tagged and was about to hit you with the @drifting cloud

[drifting cloud]

[spice spire]

Ryler a bully though

He just knows he gaming on a different level

[gusty mirage]

Ryler’s a homie

[spice spire]

Yeah he is

[gusty mirage]

Him and Cev helped me a lot with sylv

[drifting cloud]

Am I gonna cry playing assa hc week give it to me straight all Ivr done last 2 weeks is lost ark

[gusty mirage]

Probably, we’re going into sepulcher doing like 2.5k less dps

[limber lion]

We'll all be crying regardless of what spec we play.

[viscid spear]

Quake is my fren
He help me be horde and doesnt afraid of anything

[spice spire]

I’m afraid of many things

But I’m glad to have you

[alpine latch]

Ewww, Quake is green now too?

Now I'm definitely getting bullied

[spice spire]

And more importantly, pushnoir is green

Nah

[alpine latch]

wtf is happening

It's like I'm taking crazy pills

[viscid spear]

The Prime Minister of Malaysia is here, be nice

[dusky tide]

How will work the 1st vault in 9.2?
15+ -> 252 ilv?

[gusty mirage]

Yup, first vault this reset will be season 2 ilvl

[alpine latch]

I believe the first vault is capped at like +10 and can't get set items, right?

[gusty mirage]

You mostly want to try to get a 20/21 done so you have a 15 for the first week of the season

[viscid spear]

That would be insane if you could get tier before the raid

[alpine latch]

So mostly we just do 1 key this upcoming week to get a higher key, which isn't awful

[glass tulip]

Correct

[spice spire]

Vault isn’t capped first week

3/8 vault

[glass tulip]

first week that matters for vault is what you do once heroic week begins

[spice spire]

But the loot you get from dungeons is capped at +10

[viscid spear]

Wait so do a +20 after tomorrow?

[spice spire]

So the max you can get is 255s iirc

Yes

[viscid spear]

So no need to do a +20 today?

[glass tulip]

correct

[gusty mirage]

You can if you want

[glass tulip]

tomorrow begin enjoying a new zone and figure out how it works

then on the 1st is when you grind

[gusty mirage]

I did a 16 this week and probably won’t go back into a dungeon

[viscid spear]

Game won't be up until 6pm for me tomorrow, guess I'll play Witcher 3 and hit the pub

[spice spire]

Next week is ZM waiting room for the actual content

[glass tulip]

apparently there are cool puzzles if you research the right cyphers

[viscid spear]

Ima just watch the end cutscene for the raid before I actually beat it like I always do

[glass tulip]

Also this: https://www.wowhead.com/news/quality-of-life-change-when-swapping-covenants-in-patch-9-2-hearthstones-bound-326025
is a solution solving no issue and it makes me very upset

[viscid spear]

The lore is a travesty on mankind but I can't help following it religiously.

[glass tulip]

when the real problem is having to go to oribos and talk to an npc to change covenant

[gusty mirage]

You’re a cool puzzle

[glass tulip]

[spice spire]

Eh

It kind of is an issue when you have to change conduits and shit after swapping

[viscid spear]

Real tired of Dreven making me stroke his ego every time I switch back

[gusty mirage]

Oh wow we get a covenant hearthstone finally?

[spice spire]

Ye

[gusty mirage]

What a brilliant idea blizzard, glad no one’s suggested that since the launch of the expac

Absolutely groundbreaking stuff

[viscid spear]

Remember when Blizz said your Covenant choice wasn't a huge deal?
Haha good times

[glass tulip]

there is a conduit thing in ZM, so literally 0 need to go to sanctum

but now I have to still go back and forth between oribos

sad

[gusty mirage]

[glass tulip]

sadkek

[gusty mirage]

Dw im sure it’ll come in 9.2.5 as part of a featured content

[viscid spear]

Ooo, thought of a community question

[spice spire]

Post

[fleet imp]

Are we sure isnt this the ending week you need a 20/21 completed?

[glass tulip]

yes

[spice spire]

Yes

[fleet imp]

Thats awkward

Whole guild did it this week

Guess we gotta redoit next one

[glass tulip]

if you are holding a 20 key next week it should be fine

[gusty mirage]

It’ll be easier next week ye

Just bang out a 20 and be done with it

Helpful when more people have 20s

So you can pick and choose necrotic wake every time

[glass tulip]

well if you pull a 20 tomorrow you should get a 19 -> 15 in the S3 vault, no?

[gusty mirage]

Dunno if it’s -4 or what tbh

[fleet imp]

20 21 22 its w/e

Just wanted to make sure to do 1 last dungeon

[viscid spear]

[fleet imp]

Choose the wrong week kekw

[glass tulip]

gotta start getting those 20s week 1 🙂

[gusty mirage]

for some wakes in your vaults

[spice spire]

That’s a good question

[gusty mirage]

I wonder if they’ll do what they did with the portal achievements

[glass tulip]

wdym

[spice spire]

Sbs enjoyer seliathan I know will have a based answer

[glass tulip]

based on what

[fleet imp]

You get new vault only from new dungeons

[spice spire]

…

[fleet imp]

If you do torment dugneons you are capped at 252

[gusty mirage]

Yeah

[spice spire]

Yes

[viscid spear]

Now I can listen for my question and act like a stream contributor when they say my name

[fleet imp]

And the key should be like 5 lvl lower

[gusty mirage]

I should do 10 dungeons this week in case they fuck something up and I get a tier piece by accident on reset

[fleet imp]

If timed

[gusty mirage]

[spice spire]

Or better get

Yet

A 252 phial

El Classico

[fleet imp]

[gusty mirage]

Oh I’m getting one tomorrow

I know it

[spice spire]

Same here buddy

[fleet imp]

Thought it was a myth

[gusty mirage]

And I’m going to summit1g my monitor

[spice spire]

Garbage time? That’s my time

[glass tulip]

vita got hers 2 weeks ago

[fleet imp]

EoN was a myth too but got one last guild raid POG

[gusty mirage]

That’s how it worked with corruption in 8.3 for me, I get 2 gushing wounds they announce vendor a week later. Then they nerf it the week after that

[limber lion]

I'm doing a keybind overhaul because I got a new mouse

and I'm scared

[glass tulip]

what kind of mouse buttons?

[gusty mirage]

Just flash your brain bios, you’ll be fine

[limber lion]

For some reason my shift-modifier doesn't work with the numpad-keybinds

[gusty mirage]

Or just go mess around in some dungeons

[limber lion]

Yeh that's the thing though

[glass tulip]

lots of mouse buttons or just fps buttons?

[gusty mirage]

Do you have numlock enabled?

[limber lion]

I don't really wanna play WoW currently, but I have to remod all of my buttons

so if I wanna know how to play next patch, I would need to play WoW to get used to it

[limber lion]

12 side buttons, yes. Moving up from 7.

[glass tulip]

yikers, thats a lot

[limber lion]

No, I don't even have numlock on my keyboard at all whatsoever.

I mean, the buttons work fine

and they do what they're told when I press them

except when I press shift down as well

I use Mutilate with mouse button 5 and trinket with shift + mouse button 5

[glass tulip]

gotta learn to play one handed so you can pet your dog while you play

[limber lion]

but the shift thingy doesn't work, idk why

control does

and alt

[gusty mirage]

Yeah that’s odd

[glass tulip]

is it registering the inputs as the symbols?

!@#$

[limber lion]

I had to get a mmo mouse like 2 years ago because I started developing pain in my left hand. I've moved all of my rotation binds to my mouse, but had to get a new one because the previous one was consistently faulty and stopped working multiple times per raid night.

[gusty mirage]

Apparently it’s a blizzard thing Cev

[alpine latch]

I never got used to the MMO mouse, but evidently it's like the thing to do. Almost everyone I know has moved over to them

[limber lion]

thanks oxi

I'll figure something out

I haven't used Alt for anything else but mouseover bleeds

so maybe I can start using Alt instead

[alpine latch]

So do you do your entire rotation with the mice buttons and modifiers?

I only use Logitech peripherals, and to my knowledge they only have a single MMO mouse (which isn't nearly as comfortable as the 502 Hero is for me)

[limber lion]

I just had the spammable buttons on the mouse pretty much. Mutilate, Garrote, FoK etc.

Could do with like 4 side buttons as well, but those are not really a thing hah

[alpine latch]

Yeah

Mine has 2 buttons

Not 4 😦

[glass tulip]

same, just front and back for fps

kicks/stuns + defensives and shadowstep on mousewheel

[bleak sky]

maybe use autohotkey to remap stuff?

[drifting cloud]

what do you need the other 6 buttons for if your whole rotation is already there?

to spam mokoko emotes in LA?

[limber lion]

I don't, but there is no other 7 button mouse in the market.

The Razer mice just bug out for me.

I would use a 7 button if there were any, but there aren't.

[drifting cloud]

oh thats a thing I guess

[hollow river]

I don’t think I’d be able to stand having my main abilities on my mouse buttons

[limber lion]

I remapped my mouse just now and I'm just completely not using like 6 of the buttons

lol

[hollow river]

I like quick-to-react stuff there

Off gcd etc

[hollow river]

[limber lion]

Yeh, it's different for me. I like to move with the left hand and use abilities on the right hand, or vice versa.

I wouldn't remap keys on League on my mouse

or LA

Because you move with the mouse

[hollow river]

RuneScape

I just like my GCDs being on my keyboard because they’re much more mindless I guess and I’m right handed

So it’s easier for me to kick/sprint/cloak/evasion/feint well with my mouse

Im pretty bad with using modifiers with my left hand though

[glass tulip]

shift is easy, control is a little uncomfortable, alt im working on

thumb press

[fading wigeon]

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[hollow river]

I just need to work my pinky out or something idk

[cloud reef]

Im weird and have no shift/ctrl modifiers, i rely purely on alt

[gusty mirage]

Doesn’t make you weird play what’s comfortable for you

[glass tulip]

I click all of my abilities

[hollow river]

Alt sounds like it’d be easier for me too tbh using thumb instead of pinky sounds better

Will have to try

[glass tulip]

just dont alt and tab target

wow window goes zoom

[hollow river]

Just unbind alt+tab in windows setting lmao

[viscid spear]

[limber lion]

Ngl

I did consider buying a foot pedal at some point

to which I would bind my Mutilate on

just to ease with the strain

[spice spire]

LMFAO

It’s legitimately not a bad idea tho

Did you see the video where zera did a flawless twelve as outlaw with a steering wheel set up?

[paper nacelle]

mouse wheel was the single biggest bind i ever learned in like legion. so good for main abilities

[hollow river]

I’ve thought about getting a foot pedal for like, my push to talk bind

Idk what else I’d use one for tbh

[sturdy merlin]

For kicks

[spice spire]

PTT is mb5

[violet hemlock]

I have a question, next tier with fae 4pc how good is pairing it with pi? Priest guildie asked if itll be decent.

[glass tulip]

Ergo keyboard could be a good option too

[violet hemlock]

like since we are holding sepsis for the 2m mark anyway

[balmy condor]

Fae is good pi target

[gusty mirage]

m4 ptt gang

[balmy condor]

But we don’t do this

[hollow river]

We’re not

[spice spire]

Yessir

Holding sepsis

[hollow river]

You line sepsis with vendetta on pull and @ 3min

[violet hemlock]

aah but that isnt in sync with pi 😦

[balmy condor]

Indeed

[hollow river]

[violet hemlock]

is it only 2m syncs of that doesnt lose cats?

[balmy condor]

Yeh

[limber lion]

You very rarely ever would hold or sync externals anyway

You just slam BE and KA on cooldown

PI was kinda fine because they lined up naturally with Vend anyways

But normally you just slam all externals on cooldown, sync or not

[violet hemlock]

also you gave a timeline that assumes 1m vendetta right. How much leyway is there on that, assume a heavy downtime fight could u still hit the lineups or would u lose too much cdr due to not spending energy.

[balmy condor]

People can get it to about 55 with perfect conditions

[violet hemlock]

and say our timeline is desynced do we hold ven or sepsis for our 3m synce and how long or is it just doomed

[bleak sky]

#916546791472783371 message

read the book

[violet hemlock]

ye I read that but that assumes our vendetta cd keeps up right

[gusty mirage]

downtime won't be as major as people think it will be

cause you can just spam fok while running out for mechanics for example

[spice spire]

PK

[placid dawn]

We fok around during fight downtime, got it

[spice spire]

He means if you’re running out of giant circle and can’t face boss, why not toss an fok for an extra bit of dam?

[placid dawn]

No, only use fok if you are about to cap energy. Otherwise let it pool and use it when you get back in range

Use knife toss if fok is out of range and you are about to cap energy

[glass tulip]

Sure, that too

[spice spire]

Uh an example I’d use for him here is the eye on mythic
We swapped. For max uptime, I couldn’t back pedal my way out, or I’d take an extra stack.
On a few pulls I’d pop an fok while leaving so I’d not overcap as hard

[placid dawn]

Sure, that makes sense cause you would cap energy while away.

[spice spire]

Or if I’m borked on a mistdancer pull in SD, I’d fok if I couldn’t hit the dude during a thrust.
Little things like that mitigate “downtime”, PK was another example of it.
But they are fewer and further in between than people think

We have a lot of movement stuff to help us go from point A to B quicker

[placid dawn]

Still happens sometimes, like soaking circle on m fatescribe

[spice spire]

Exactly

[viscid spear]

Dawn of the final hour