assassination

[spice spire]

Have you done it on any character yet?

[glass tulip]

same rules for all of that, no covenant shit is changing as far as I know

[placid dawn]

no, havent done it on other characters

unlucky, this sucks

[bleak sky]

enjoy the storyline then

[placid dawn]

🤮

[viscid spear]

[prisma carbon]

whats the average cd on vendetta with duskwalkers?

[violet hemlock]

believe its in the pins as 1m

#916546791472783371 message

pins of 9.2 thread

[mint seal]

too bad sepsis isnt 1min

[cerulean nest]

rogue just straight up not mentioned in the notes here lol what

https://news.blizzard.com/en-us/world-of-warcraft/23770462/shadowlands-eternity-s-end-content-update-notes

[limber lion]

Yeah because there is no buffs or nerfs that we got

Literally none

We knew that already

[cerulean nest]

I see

[limber lion]

Outlaw could use a buff or two to be honest

Buuuut I don't play that spec

[spice spire]

A lot of the things that changed for us were bugs, or on the set bonus specifically.
Our abilities/legendaries/whatnot have no tuning

[limber lion]

So

[slow marsh]

Sin got mega buffed in hotfixes in 9.0-9.0.5 so if we really need help, which I don't forsee that we do, then it's likely through hotfixes

[spice spire]

Ceveriontwo would like a word, mister Ceverion

[limber lion]

I've played Outlaw more on my main

than I have on Ceveriontwo

And it's not much

[spice spire]

Oh

Tbf it’s been a long while since I’ve been log watching the alt

[limber lion]

Good because it hasn't seen the light of day in 6 months

[slow marsh]

Log watching alts

[spice spire]

You don’t obtain a fake role slacking mister iceblades

[slow marsh]

True

[bleak sky]

logwatchers are always watching

always

don't lie about averages, fellas be watching

[slow marsh]

My averages are a lie so

Well I guess not heroic

[oak sky]

My average is about 2% too low

[slow marsh]

67%?

[bleak sky]

no its 418%

[slow marsh]

[spice spire]

69418% dudes come on

[cerulean nest]

how fast do you think you guys are gonna go for the 3000io thing

doable without 4-sets and double leggos?

[oak sky]

Doesnt matter you need to finish the campaign for it too

[cerulean nest]

I thought that requirement was removed?

[spice spire]

Nah, the rep grind was removed

[bleak sky]

2nd week on god

if I don't make it on 2nd week I'm deleting this character deleting wow and freeing myself from this game

[spice spire]

On how many characters

[oak sky]

Ill get it when I feel like it

[bleak sky]

[brazen zodiac]

:)

[bleak sky]

but fr though 3rd-4th week should be good to go, I 100% expect taza to be completely fucked in tuning

[spice spire]

Same here

Holy shit

I’m not looking forward to taza keys

[brazen zodiac]

taza?

fill me in chief

[bleak sky]

tazavesh is now M+ split in two dungeons

upper tazavesh, lower tazavesh

[brazen zodiac]

rad

[oak sky]

Bro tazzy 20 is gonna be so hard early on not knowing any of the mechs

[slow marsh]

Yeah

[bleak sky]

trust weakauras blindly

[slow marsh]

Like it's kinda fun but at the same time not at all

[bleak sky]

a friend thinks one of the taza dungeons is gonna have degen as fuck route

like do all bosses first and then grab %

[brazen zodiac]

based

[hollow nexus]

why do we take subterfuge in 9.2 over master assassin?

[bleak sky]

more damage

[hollow river]

Empowered garrotes for BRRRR

[vocal cypress]

any1 got any links towards sims for 9.2 rogues?

[hollow river]

Check all the pins

#assassination #subtlety

[slow marsh]

Guys why is night fae good all of a sudden on 9.2

[bleak sky]

because hidden blades buffed

op

[red plaza]

4 set + covenant

[slow marsh]

I just figured I'd finish the trifecta of typical questions from the last two weeks

[red plaza]

What rogue spec is going to be the strongest in 9.2?

🙃

[slow marsh]

Fury warrior

[void pecan]

Do I resub to this shit for 9.2. Ugh.

[slow marsh]

No

[void pecan]

Maybe someone in my guild will pay for it

[gusty mirage]

because you touch yourself at night

[carmine token]

Because math.

[echo geyser]

still never got the alpaca form

[gusty mirage]

same

[bleak sky]

Dw ram we get penguin form

Penguin form bis

[echo geyser]

sounds good actually

[gusty mirage]

isn't that just a critter form?

[echo geyser]

does it slide?

belly slide

[slow marsh]

It'd be too good if it did

Nerf pls

[bleak sky]

I think it does

Can't find a video but when it's running in the wild before you get it they belly slide

[charred fossil]

allright

this is giga dumb question

assa (and maybe sub?) still locked into daggers?

[hollow river]

Yeah

[charred fossil]

so i can't use my fancy pancy SoO heirloom 1h axe to level?

goddamn it

[hollow river]

Sub can wield sword offhand and use all abilities but it’s bad for dps by a lot

[charred fossil]

yeah, shelling out to get the heirloom daggers then

[strange python]

i currently have the envenom leggo for assa, going into next patch, venthyr leggo will be better right? so i can destroy the envenom leggo?

[spice spire]

There are multiple envenom legendaries. Do you mean dashing scoundrel or Doomblade?

You technically can but no real point tbh

You get the ash and cinders back

[strange python]

i mean dashing ye

i mean, if im not using it, might aswell get the mats back to build the new leggo

unity one

[spice spire]

Yeah, obedience is best. But like I said, you just get ash and cinders back, item gets destroyed

[strange python]

ye ye i know

just making sure that we are NOT using dashing leggo first week raid and afterwards

[spice spire]

Then sure, you can.
But remember unity is only obtainable week 3 of mythic

Per current sims nah

[strange python]

hmm

[spice spire]

Wait

I take that back

[strange python]

i will keep it just in case xD

[spice spire]

If you don’t have your 4p and have 2 legendaries, that and Doomblade are comparable

[gusty mirage]

the weirdos playing kyrian sin would still use dashing

[echo geyser]

@gusty mirage

[gusty mirage]

but yeah

[spice spire]

Oh true

[gusty mirage]

😦

[spice spire]

Mr. ramfam

What is that name

[echo geyser]

[gusty mirage]

[spice spire]

Corgi is bis critter shape tho

[gusty mirage]

that's an actual soulshape tho

not a critter shape

[strange python]

@echo geyser you going assa next M+ season?

[spice spire]

He’s not even going rogue m+ next season

[lapis trail]

wait so doomblade or obedience to start the tier? until 4 piece?

[strange python]

odediance for venthyr it seems

[spice spire]

For venthyr, obedience is best on no piece.
But all of this info is in the spreadsheet in sims

[strange python]

doomblade for necro

[strange python]

there you go

🙂

[spice spire]

And oxi’s pin

[gusty mirage]

I'm unappreciated

[spice spire]

How could I just FUCKING slip like that

[echo geyser]

if its good sure why not

[lapis trail]

I read the pin lol i just completely looked over Obedience in there lol

[gusty mirage]

maybe I should split necro and fae into separate lines so its easier to read

cause it kinda just overtakes the rest

[spice spire]

[gusty mirage]

there

[spice spire]

Sin rogues (myself) only want one thing, and it’s disgusting

[oak sky]

How far behind is doomblade on venth oxi

Or maybe i should ask whispyr

[gusty mirage]

idk if whispyr simmed it for his sheet

wait

he def did

I'm dumb

[spice spire]

Looks like 150, yeah?

I didn’t see it on sheet, but checked sim

[oak sky]

Hmmm

Because if i dont have gold for a high ilvl obe im kinda boned

[gusty mirage]

un memento

you wanna know for no tier/single leggo?

[spice spire]

Holy math

No

[oak sky]

That and 2p ig

Because i remember us playing doomblade for a while even though obedience simmed a little higher

So like if doomblade will be close i might as well not make a big obe

[spice spire]

Doomblade wasn’t selected on the sim and I can’t do beta simming rn

Otherwise I’d tell you papi

I thought a dashing was it

[gusty mirage]

ye it was dashing

[spice spire]

I’m just not reading rn

But once beta is back up

I’ll sim @oak sky

I’m super stupid

I’m using non beta

[gusty mirage]

sim deez:

[hollow river]

@gusty mirage can’t believe whispyr gaslit us

[gusty mirage]

whatchu mean

[hollow river]

Necro bis ST 1 lege

[gusty mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/elmo-shrug-不造-i-dont-know-gif-5094560

[hollow river]

[gusty mirage]

was that last night?

I don't even remember anymore

[hollow river]

He said I was gas lighting him from his own spread sheet

[gusty mirage]

I've been awake for 12 hours now

[hollow river]

[oak sky]

Gaslight gatekeep egirlboss

[hollow river]

Lmfao

[hollow river]

Yeah

[spice spire]

Very very rough number

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/sLRV1htH2QJoJi8NtCLL19

I literally optimized nothing

Just copy pasted basic and checked all 3

[arctic walrus]

why you linking 9.0 sims

[gusty mirage]

you also have 2 sets of current gear

[spice spire]

Wtf did I do

[gusty mirage]

you broke raidbots

good job

now we all have to use ask mr robot

[spice spire]

Gaslighting king

It’s this channel’s specialty

[spice spire]

[hollow river]

R u ok oxii

[gusty mirage]

ask quake

he broke raidbots

not me

[spice spire]

[hollow river]

lol

Forever broken

[gusty mirage]

that's guy after simming outlaw

[limber lion]

Under 10k without dom shards?

[gusty mirage]

yuge dam

[hollow river]

[limber lion]

r1 parses to anyone who gets tier set first

[gusty mirage]

until it gets shattered by sheeq and the dark magicks of externals

[spice spire]

That was also with 145 conduits and no talent changed

[hollow river]

Delete external logs pls

[lapis trail]

stat prio on obedience for assass is crit haste right?

[spice spire]

9.862k we’re gaming

[gusty mirage]

yeah but you can craft it crit/vers if you wanna flex its use for sub

@limber lion we're no longer holding hands on the nine

😦

[hollow river]

Yeah unless you’re gonna use it for sub keys

[lapis trail]

okay cool i didnt want to have to remake it if i already have one for sub

[gusty mirage]

yeah it's minimal dps gain to go crit/haste

[hollow river]

Using crit/vers is fine if you play both specs

Assa isn’t going to stay using obedience for long anyway

[limber lion]

:(

Today was a bad day for raiding

I was sitting at a comfortable 15-20 fps throughout the entire raid because I had LA in the background

[gusty mirage]

lmao oh no

[oak sky]

Sadge

[limber lion]

And LA ended up crashing on Painsmith, which was the last boss

So it was completely pointless

Just trying to keep my character logged in so I don't have to sit in a 5 hour queue

[gusty mirage]

are eu queues still giga fucked?

[limber lion]

Ye

[gusty mirage]

damn

I can log in like almost instantly now

[oak sky]

i could log in instantly the night it came out

[limber lion]

Yeh apparently no queue on NA

But yeh

[gusty mirage]

like when it full released to the public?

[limber lion]

Ended up scuffing quite a few pulls

[oak sky]

im not playing it anymore so i wouldnt know

[gusty mirage]

cuz early access queue was fucked

[oak sky]

yes

[cerulean nest]

how good is Blessing of Summer used on us?

oh nvm I see the sheet

does that sim include the overhang stuff? and does Summer affect our bleed ticks, or just literal attacks?

[limber lion]

I honestly don't have answers to any of those questions.

I don't even know what BoS does, other than give us more deeps

[cerulean nest]

lol

Bless an ally for 30 sec, causing their attacks to have a 40% chance to deal 30% additional damage as Holy.

For first 10 seconds you get: 40% chance to deal 30% additional damage as holy
For next 10 seconds you get: 80% chance to deal 60% additional damage as holy
For the remaining duration of the buff you get: 40% chance to deal 30% additional damage as holy

45sec paladin CD

I just didnt know if the sims here were smart enough for the paladin to be holding it slightly to align it with our ~1min vendetta, or just simply hitting it on CD and therefore likely missing a lot of vendetta time

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1baQypWt2RjCYvtRQ7T5fPXqK18FeZON9XtR-LRvSGXo/edit#gid=712958166

[slow marsh]

If it's 45s it's probs better to cast on cd

[oak sky]

the nf paladin thing changes each time they cast it no?

[slow marsh]

Yeah

I think

[cerulean nest]

how so?

[oak sky]

it like rotates the seasons i think

[slow marsh]

Summer is just one effect and there's 4

[oak sky]

i think 2 of them are externals and the other 2 are healing things

[cerulean nest]

ohhhhh youre right

that makes more sense

[oak sky]

3 of them are externals

1 is healing

mb

winter and summer do bonus damage on hit basically

[cerulean nest]

yeah

[oak sky]

and autumn is cdr

[gusty mirage]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/5DaVxWnycB7QFciaqaRVM2/simc
Click warm season, go to Action Priority List, then click Sample Sequence Table under there and Ctrl + F "blessing of" it'll show you the exact spots it uses blessing of whatever under "Buffs"

[slow marsh]

I'm pretty sure that NF pally isn't really worth though compared to other options no?

[oak sky]

ye

[slow marsh]

Like sure it's another external 💤 but compared to ashen

[oak sky]

i think all 3 others are better actually

[gusty mirage]

ashen got nerfed

tf

[slow marsh]

Even nerfed ashen is still good

[oak sky]

necro high uptime wings ashen still good kyrian consistent at least

[slow marsh]

And if it's that big of a nerf then Necro or kyrian

Yeah

But ashen lets you live stuff regardless of nerf

[oak sky]

if ashen is still the most damage you still run at least 1 paladin tbh

[slow marsh]

Pretty sure ours are staying venth

Prot and holy

[ocean sun]

So NF will be great for single target in the new raid. How many bosses are single target?

[oak sky]

from what ive gathered around half have an st focus and the rest are either cleave or aoe and prio focused

[slow marsh]

There's 2 st fights out of the 8 we've seen on ptr

[hollow river]

i think NF gonna be good on practically every fight tbh, for boss dam etc

[slow marsh]

One has light cleave and the others are 4+

[hollow river]

i could see running deathspike on the first boss for the memes and overall dps, or running it on farm on other bosses

[slow marsh]

I mean for the first two weeks it won't really matter / Necro will be real nice

[hollow river]

ye

[slow marsh]

Tbh I'm thinking about going Necro zold and just meme padding until 4p

Otherwise I'll just play sub since it's strictly better early

[timid cloud]

You’re only taking NF Paladins in situations when there’s high movement & you have a target that benefits from the blessings fully with burst for that CD’s window. Those are the two criteria that I’ve heard you have to make to take them in the next raid for tanking.

[slow marsh]

For tanking I could see that sure

But pretty sure most tanks are still gonna ooga booga big numbers

[timid cloud]

Yeah. Ashen into Mad Paragon.

Should be the norm.

[slow marsh]

I think hpal are the ones a bit worried now and prot is just looking better and better

[oak sky]

mad paragon not for holy in raid tho

they were going like maraads

[slow marsh]

Yeah holy don't seem to be quite as big as they were idk

[cerulean nest]

both of ours switched to rsham lol

[viscid spear]

I don't see many HPallies anywhere

[reef axle]

We have the new opener yet? Couldn’t see it in pins

[echo geyser]

prob gonna be in guides if they get 9.2 update

or in #assassination-faq

[gusty mirage]

If you want a sneak preview of how simc plays it out and if you don't wanna sort through the sample sequence table I don't blame you at all it, it can be overwhelming.

You can go to https://mimiron.raidbots.com/simbot/report/sojMbghFfrDworpbj45REy/simc

Click the APL drop down, go to the sample sequence table and it'll show you step by step what the bot did.

wait I linked necro

one sec

but the table looks like this:

[brazen zodiac]

say it with me friends sylv dies tonight

[gusty mirage]

[echo geyser]

@gusty mirage doomblade dead forever right?

cleaning my bank

[gusty mirage]

nah if you play necro early in prog you go doomie

and it's neck and neck w/ NF

[hollow river]

gl homie

[echo geyser]

right dashing lost value with no frost

[gusty mirage]

yuppers

[echo geyser]

i guess i upgrade this to 262

nice

[gusty mirage]

but still playable early on cuz we have a bunch of crit on our gear still

or if you want to omegatroll and go kyrian

dashing is still a thing apparently

but we don't subscribe to those shenanigans

[echo geyser]

so obedience + doom is safe

to start with ofc

[hollow river]

with 1 leggo ye

[hollow river]

you don't wanna struggle to hit the cp with muts?

[gusty mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/nope-danny-de-vito-no-gif-8123780

[cerulean nest]

i've read like 5 different ideas for what people are doing for "early prog"

[reef axle]

Interesting, so we back to using ambush

[spice spire]

Yes

[lucid birch]

I heard whispyr is just going to demolish the meters for early prog

Good plan imo

[spice spire]

Heard he’s got mad simps too

And I ain’t talkin about this channel

[lucid birch]

There are ….. arrangements

[cerulean nest]

good thing I've had ambush bound to a sensible key this entire expansion despite barely using it on any of the 20 fights so far so that now, when the time has come, I'm used to using it and can be a capable gamer from day 1

[strange python]

I'm so curious how big faeries will be for 4pc

How low can we get vend

[lucid birch]

Double faeries at that

[strange python]

Two priests? Or priest and pal?

[lucid birch]

Night fae leggo doubles the effect

[strange python]

Wot

Huge

Our shadow priest will do that on farm

[gusty mirage]

keep your hands off my man

I'm the #1 simp around these parts

[lucid birch]

It’s fine you can have him

[spice spire]

[lucid birch]

He didn’t respond to my Valentine’s Day ecard

[spice spire]

That’s rude af

[limber lion]

I will never touch that garbage character again

[spice spire]

If he weren’t guide writing I’d ping his ass

[limber lion]

not great.

[lucid birch]

be

[limber lion]

Looks like a 40s Vendetta

[strange python]

That's pretty close to new KA right?

[limber lion]

Followed by a 1min Vend

[strange python]

Doesn't NF paladin also bring CD reduction?

[limber lion]

Idk, I don't care for externals so I haven't checked.

[strange python]

What if you had the priest run NF leggo and got a NF paladin? Could it be full uptime?

[lucid birch]

Faeries is 40s cdr on a 90 sec cd with leggo

[strange python]

I'm more morbidly curious than anything

Oh faeries itself has a CD? Got it

I thought it just generally gave you CD when you shield someone

Shows what I know about it

[limber lion]

Not quite

The copied version is 50% of the cdr that BE normally provides.

It's a bad legendary

[lucid birch]

That statement I believe is currently false

[limber lion]

This is ka, forgot to rename

[limber lion]

Oh yeah that's true, it's the other way around

[lucid birch]

Pretty sure when we tested it I was aware of the 50% effect rumor and I observed 40s cdr

You’d have to ask the man

[limber lion]

with it displaying improperly, but it actually working at full value

[strange python]

So KA is still pretty big but no longer gonna see externals prop up 20% damage

[lucid birch]

And @strange python paladin is good but the cdr specifically rotates every 3 minutes so not high uptime

[strange python]

Sadge

[lucid birch]

4 rotating buffs

But 3/4 buffs are decent

[limber lion]

But BoS is good as well

Yeh

[limber lion]

Yeh, PI is king again now though

[strange python]

Was hoping there was some sort of degenerate 100% vendetta shit out there

[limber lion]

PI is also much easier to use

and much more versatile and accessible

So, that sucks

But hey, it's better than what we had in SoD

[spice spire]

KA tier

[strange python]

Our shadow priest will give out PI on farm thankfully. Won't require asking someone to straight up change covs and ruin their entire spec.

[lucid birch]

So kind but I would never

[strange python]

Doubt I'll ever get it when we have boomies, locks, and mages tho

At least not until deep into farm

[limber lion]

I just get a bit tilted whenever someone randomly throws an external on me

Not a fan

[lucid birch]

I do that to whispyr

[strange python]

I honestly get curious how high I could fight on all star logs if everyone was on even footing

[limber lion]

I don't think there's been an equal footing since 8.2

[spice spire]

Same. Got mad at my priest for PI’ing me instead of the boomie randomly

[strange python]

I don't remember externals being bad in nya?

[limber lion]

And well to be honest, it's never a fair battlefield.

[limber lion]

We didn't have externals in BFA lol

[strange python]

Right

[limber lion]

We had corruption instead

[strange python]

What was the unevenness then? After vendor everyone should've had similar access to gear and damage

[limber lion]

Yes, after the vendor

and after grinding out

[strange python]

That's what I mean

[limber lion]

9x Expedient

which is

12 months

after the tier

soo

[strange python]

Sure. But prog will be done in 5/6 weeks.

I'll spend 9 months on farm

[limber lion]

See, but that's not an equal footing either

Because you're competing against people who spend 10+ weeks on prog

and some dudes doing it in 4 weeks

It's never a fair battle

There's always someone with an edge

[strange python]

No, but I'm talking the top all star ranks right? Usually that's the top 200 or so guilds' players in those spots.

There's certainly gear differences or strat differences

But generally speaking

[limber lion]

You just need to be specific of the timeframe

[strange python]

Like in 9.1 you cannot realistically go for top 20 on all star without kindred aff.

[limber lion]

I can get r1's on every single boss the first 2 months

easy

but I can't do it 9 months into the tier

[lucid birch]

Cev what about the random external irks you
Is it the lack of synergy or the taint of a log?

[strange python]

Fair. I'm thinking end of patch stats.

[limber lion]

Yeh, that's a different beast.

[limber lion]

The taint of a log, I'm an avid hater of externals on myself and others.

[lucid birch]

Ah

[limber lion]

I want to see improvement in my play every week

[strange python]

And yeah, sometimes you get degeneracy like 8.3 speed kills

[limber lion]

And if one week I jump up 700 dps because of an external, it feels bad

[lucid birch]

I had a rogue like that in a sale who was like NO EXTERNALS

[limber lion]

I want to see consistent improvement not sudden spikes in performance.

[strange python]

^ that's ultimately it for me

[spice spire]

For me personally, it’s the taint.
I do a decent job assigning externals to be ideal for the raid, regardless if it’s me or not. That’s where they should go

[limber lion]

Doesn't really feel good when you pop the fuck off

and then notice that you got PI after the kill

[lucid birch]

Ahhhh

[strange python]

I wanna push higher and higher in rankings every week that I can, but I feel like it's pointless in external meta.

[spice spire]

And it feels bad doing garbage on a pull but it being your best damage because of an external

[limber lion]

I wanna pop off by myself

not with the help of others

[spice spire]

[limber lion]

You still can do something

I mean you can't get r1's

or many 99's

but you can definitely push for ranks and improve

[strange python]

Right but I'm like 50 something

Feels like getting higher is pretty fucking luck based at this point without externals

[limber lion]

Sure is

Especially when our spec revolves around a domination shard system that gives us 2k+ dps

[oak sky]

I didnt have externals on every boss

but even the few i got on bosses like guardian shot me up a bunch of all star ranks

[limber lion]

I had a nutty Sylv pull today

[oak sky]

really stupid

[limber lion]

I had everything on p3 lust

[lucid birch]

I dunno who my externals even go to next tier

[limber lion]

including euphoria/fatal flaw

[oak sky]

ooooh

[spice spire]

[limber lion]

too bad my winds were at 20% crit

[oak sky]

lol

[limber lion]

so didn't even do 11k

[oak sky]

yeah i hate that shit bro

[spice spire]

[limber lion]

was like 10.9

[strange python]

I can play better in week 12 than week 10, and I can play better against the average non-simped rogue. But what if weeks 11 and 12 were the weeks where rogues ranked 51-70 got their "simp week"? So even if I improved, and even if I improved more than they did, my all stars will drop.

[limber lion]

The game sucks

Our spec sucks

Everything sucks

[oak sky]

frost sucks

thank goodness

only 1 more week

[spice spire]

Frost set goes away soon

[oak sky]

[strange python]

Our outlaw rogue got KA as venthyr and got 10% winds crit on guardian

Which I think is impossible

[limber lion]

I'm legitimately excited for the skill portion of the tier set

As well as reducing the randomness of the spec

[lucid birch]

I have to life grip frost blasts into the raid to heal parse these days

[oak sky]

exactly dude

[limber lion]

I would hate to be a sub player now

glad I'm not

Don't tell the shadow boys

[oak sky]

outlaw one got more consistent which is nice

[strange python]

Sub feels pretty fucking bad in 9.2

[spice spire]

Love to see it

Sub seems good damage wise.
Game play ain’t it for me.

Just finished an rng tier and would be happy to never see one again

[strange python]

What's the highest non-simped sylv p3??

[oak sky]

i think the highest ive heard is cev's 11.8ish right

[oak pulsar]

No dont tell me sub feels bad man I wanted yo switch for that extra 1 k dps... but I guess if it feels bad 1k isnt the end of the world

[oak sky]

or was it 10.8

cant remember

[spice spire]

Nah I’ve seen 11s from DK iirc

[oak sky]

thats sub tho

[spice spire]

But he private logs

[strange python]

Can't be 10.8 I do 10.9 every week

[limber lion]

Nah, my best is 11.4

Could be better

[strange python]

Shit I'm close :(

[oak sky]

my best p3 is 10.9 but that was with externals

[limber lion]

Sylvanas was a great fight and a lot of fun

p1 intermission is way too long

other than that, good stuff

p3 is exciting, figuring out cds and whatnot is fun

[strange python]

My 10.9 was 40% winds crit :( never highrolled p3

I think p2 sylv is too long with too much downtime, too.

[spice spire]

Tbh im not a p2 fan either.
P3 is kind of great though

[strange python]

^

[limber lion]

I enjoy p2 ever since I figured out that I can jump over haunting waves

[oak sky]

lol

[limber lion]

Can maximize my dps during burns

[oak sky]

i love that shit

[limber lion]

never have to leave

[strange python]

P2 was very cool for prog, I'll say that.

[limber lion]

just faceroll boss

[brazen zodiac]

sup quake

cev

[oak sky]

we kinda steamrolled p2 prog honestly

[limber lion]

yo

[brazen zodiac]

whts poppin

[spice spire]

Man so bored p2 that he’s playing leapfrog

Howdy vita

[lucid birch]

Y’all ever see the clip of whispyr shadow stepping sylv 500 miles up in the air

Cracks me up

[red plaza]

Wait what……

[limber lion]

You can literally just spam spacebar when the Haunting Waves cast is at around 0.3s or so

and you will jump over every wave

and land between the waves

and never get hit by one

[red plaza]

Fuuuuuuuuuuuuk we did our last Sylv clear already. That sounds cool af

[limber lion]

doesn't work if you have 100+ ms/ping though, as evidence of today.

[polar cape]

wait you can

omg my world is upside down

[oak sky]

too little too late lmao

[brazen zodiac]

sylv does not die tonight

f

is this week the last week to earn CE or is it until the next raid actually releases

[gusty mirage]

until raid releases

[brazen zodiac]

oh wait rad

[surreal prism]

me

[lucid birch]

Silence meat shield

[surreal prism]

Imma grip fox onto you next time we do mists

[plush delta]

For raid bosses does using garotte from shadowmeld (without stealthing) apply an empowered garotte if subterfuge is talented?

[dusk void]

With loss of Dom shards, what is stat prio now?

[echo geyser]

i think we just use top gear on raidbots as usual when we get new gear pieces

[clever kindle]

Im 99% sure it does not

[fathom flax]

Legion TW in March 😮

What’s the tech worth farming for? I’ve completely forgotten

[grizzled jay]

the trinket

[fathom flax]

Just trinket?

Yeah that

[grizzled jay]

the one that coats your weps or w/e it does

[echo geyser]

court of stars auto attack ring too @fathom flax

[fathom flax]

Arigato

[echo geyser]

[hexed frost]

Daily reminder that i ran CoS and vault for over 80+ times but never got any trinket.

Can't wait to start again

[noble pilot]

The trick is not to care about timegated, undetermined farms that you have to repeat every tier 🙅🏻‍♂️

[torn atlas]

Can't you just cloak, or does it not work on mythic?

[bleak sky]

it does work

[lucid birch]

But like 4? Sylv waves in p2

[bleak sky]

4?

it's 3 waves per haunting

[lucid birch]

Like 4 casts you want to be on her

[bleak sky]

oh

[lucid birch]

Can’t cloak them all

[bleak sky]

yeah no you don't have cloak for all

[lucid birch]

Yes

[bleak sky]

you pick the premium cloak ones and do it there

[lucid birch]

[limber lion]

You can only cloak the first and last wave, not the 2 middle ones.

[sand sigil]

what the fuck

so glad i learned this just in time for the new raid 🤡

will have to remember to try and jump over the wicked stars on anduin LMAO

[steel ridge]

You can WHAT?

[vestal wren]

to be fair it needs good timing

[steel ridge]

yeah not that i am going to try it anyway, but thats interesting to know

[fleet imp]

Its easier if you just jump off and get brez

Weaves cheese

[subtle tundra]

Tbh if your raid lead knows you do top dps in last phase, just jump down in p2 and get ressed p3

Skip the boring part

[glass tulip]

[lapis trail]

does it matter where i put my weapon enchants?

like in terms of celestial and sinful does it matter which goes on main hand?

[fleet imp]

Sinful slightly better on main

Just sim it

[bleak sky]

doesn't matter

[glass tulip]

celestial mh gang rise up

[junior rampart]

So phial will still be our bis trinket in 9.2 or any raid trinket surpasses it? Sorry if this is already answered.

[glass tulip]

at this point raid trinkets are still being tuned and could get better but as of now phial is still one of the best options

[junior rampart]

Thank you

[gusty adder]

seeing that there's not really any rogue changes comming into 9.2, can I just sim myself without dom items now, or should I wait for wedensday?

(asking cause I dont know how raidbots work and patches and stuff=

[warm drift]

hc tuning might come

but i guess till then you can do that

[timid cloud]

🔮

[gusty adder]

Aight Fell just under 2k dps then I guess

[warm drift]

but nothing is final yet

i hope

[maiden onyx]

which covenant for assass ?

[bold mortar]

Venthyr til 4pc & double leggo, then Fae.

[brazen zodiac]

good morning!!

[bleak sky]

top o the morning

[glass tulip]

MInalba

subterfuge ds venthyr opener, go

[bleak sky]

i've no clue my man

[glass tulip]

garrote ambush ambush?

garrote snd ambush

that's the one

[bleak sky]

yeah gotta get snd up and rolling

but this is 4pc+2leg idk if that's what you need

[glass tulip]

I forgot that I wrote this in my MRT notes lol

:

[bleak sky]

it's all in the whisp sheet though

[glass tulip]

Haste > Crit > Mast > Vers

Night Fae

Talents: 2222221 (DS)

Conduits: Dreamweaver - ST / Korayn - AOE
Septic Shock / Well-Placed Steel / Lethal Poisons

Opener: Garrote -> SND -> Ambush -> Mutilate -> Rupture -> Vendetta -> Sepsis -> Shiv -> Rotation
(Vanish and emp Garrote during pandemic window, last 5.4s)

Venthyr

Talents: 2232221 (MFD)

Conduits: Theotar - ST/AOE (Crit/Haste Tea) / Nadjia - ST/AOE (Bad tea roll)
Lashing Scars / Well-Placed Steel / Lethal Poisons

Opener: Garrote -> SND -> Ambush -> Mutilate -> Flagellation -> Rupture -> Vendetta -> Shiv -> Rotation
(Vanish and emp Garrote during pandemic window, last 5.4s)

[frigid sleet]

Thought ambush was a terrible button to press.

[oak sky]

times change

[bleak sky]

we're pressing it on live btw

in m+

or when talented into subterfuge if for some reason you run that in raid

[brazen zodiac]

oh my god is that minal?!? the rogue dude?!?!

[bleak sky]

[spice spire]

You’re missing one more use

[sullen bronze]

big nerfs on soleah

[glass tulip]

good

fuck having to farm taza

[sullen bronze]

xD

[rotund oak]

so we kinda need to buy the memory and craft unity on wrist

dusk on ring crit/haste

aight?

[spice spire]

Looks good

[hollow river]

I don’t think the sims are “bis”

Wish didn’t interfere with tier though

[rotund oak]

wdym interfere

[boreal patio]

Pretty sure you want to craft it on the back

[rotund oak]

wait what back

[glass tulip]

it doesnt matter where it goes

[boreal patio]

Dusk on ring memory in back I could be wrong

[spice spire]

Suggestion in pins say wrists

[glass tulip]

it will be about balancing your stats/gear

[spice spire]

Yeah

It’s not going to be the same for everyone. But if you want general guidance either works tbh

[glass tulip]

basically anything that isnt tier is a good start

[hollow river]

Wrist isn’t a tier slot

[rotund oak]

ik

[hollow river]

That’s what not interfering with tier means

[rotund oak]

dusk cant interfere with anything than shoulders which is wrong coz its crit/haste stats

so dusk is a given

[hollow river]

In the end it will likely be on a stat heavy slot like chest I’d assume

[rotund oak]

also memory for TO is candidate for 5 slots,thats neck/back/wrist/waist/ring

[glass tulip]

or helmet

[hollow river]

We’re talking about unity memory not dusk no?

[rotund oak]

both

[hollow river]

Yeah I mean it’s obv dusk doesn’t interfere

[paper nacelle]

Isn’t chest shoulder last 3?

[hollow river]

I said wrist

[glass tulip]

on a stat heavy slot like chest I’d assume

cap

[hollow river]

Yeah it was just an example

[glass tulip]

[hollow river]

Bruh

[rotund oak]

think its like helm might be the case

[glass tulip]

again, not really a hard and fast BiS here

[rotund oak]

but cant rly tell thats why ild tag whispyr but i wanna live

[hollow river]

Yeah

[limber lion]

Tell me about it. First it was Fatescribe lines, now this. Entire 9.2 prog is gonna be spamming spacebar whenever a mechanic happens lmao

[glass tulip]

da sausage lines

[bleak sky]

NIGHT FAE

STEPSIS

[rotund oak]

lmao

[spice spire]

Nah it’s venthyr

[bleak sky]

o

what am I missing then

[spice spire]

First global.
It’s a whole +2 dps

[bleak sky]

no shot

i've been missing +2 dps this entire time?

[spice spire]

Ye

[bleak sky]

dang

[hollow river]

[spice spire]

Could have been 99ing instead of 88ing :/

[bleak sky]

damn +2 adds up quick huh

[spice spire]

Or whatever unholy number your average is

There’s no add up quick, it’s literally once the entire fight

[glass tulip]

not pink avg, doesnt matter

[spice spire]

Damn it really was 88.

Fellas really do be log watching, damn

[bleak sky]

keeping tabs on me cutie

[spice spire]

Always papi

The 91 average fragger havoc demon hunter mister minalba

[glass tulip]

this is the guy you gotta try to be

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/US/Tichondrius/Sythrìal

95 avg performance

[bleak sky]

logs invalidated

[spice spire]

Not even linking Cev who’s 95.3 average

And clean logs

Smdh

[glass tulip]

[bleak sky]

cev with the true ethical logs

grass fed, farm to table, locally sourced logs

[glass tulip]

all of his logs are private before january though

[spice spire]

This Mfer pulls a 13k on guardian with a non bis profile

[glass tulip]

cringe

[bleak sky]

method

[glass tulip]

cringe

[brazen zodiac]

sup mav

[glass tulip]

cringing over private logs

wbu

[sand sigil]

95 avg is actually decent

[spice spire]

95 average is pretty nuts

With no externals as sin

Considering it started January when externals were rampant

[bleak sky]

i hope next raid I get better average

I cba to do the math on how heavy my shit logs are weighing the avg down

[glass tulip]

We need to see some ethical James parses in 9.2

[sand sigil]

come come

[glass tulip]

[sand sigil]

no kyrian next patch is pog

[bleak sky]

damn that's good

[sand sigil]

now they just need to get rid of priest

[bleak sky]

like all of it?

fairies and pi?

[glass tulip]

throw the whole class away

[shadow tulip]

Honestly

I'd be satisfied with those being ONLY SELF CAST

[brazen zodiac]

cringing that my logs suck and sylv didnt die

but also debating on if i should int my path character to that boss

[glass tulip]

fsk is bad

[brazen zodiac]

idk

we had 3% left last night

[bleak sky]

how many dead

[glass tulip]

you guys have a chance to be the World Last

[brazen zodiac]

not many what killed us was the knives on p4, unsure

well we still have till the 27th.

but still, it sucks

[bleak sky]

bc im sure you get to p4 with everyone alive and it's gg

[brazen zodiac]

we did

[bleak sky]

o

[brazen zodiac]

the knives killed like all our healers

[bleak sky]

oh yeah dont kill healers

[brazen zodiac]

we've been 3 healing it cuz we dont have a fourth lol

[bleak sky]

healers are friends, not food

[shadow tulip]

They are, if tauren

BEEF YUMMY

[limber lion]

Man feels bad when my public logs are so shit

Everyone going around saying I got shit logs

Rip

Private logging is a crime

[brazen zodiac]

xd

[limber lion]

From 100.0 average to 95, ripperino pepperino

[glass tulip]

100 avg as the only assasin rogue to be killing the bosses? XD

[vale marten]

will priests or palas play night fae next tier?

[limber lion]

The only assa rogue?

Lmao

[glass tulip]

jokes jokes

[sand sigil]

wym private logs are bis this way nobody has to ask why i have an avg of 74 on tarragrue

[limber lion]

Shit's bussing

[vale marten]

if not then its just pi thats the crime

[rotund oak]

Stop bullying Cev

[limber lion]

They're fun and games until you leave the guild and you lose access to all logs

[bleak sky]

100 avg?

[sand sigil]

TRUUUU

wish it would let u keep ur progress kills by default

[limber lion]

Yeh

[sand sigil]

at least

[rotund oak]

James u gonna Assa or Sub for World first?

[limber lion]

Legit kinda tilted you lose all access to logs and you cannot see them or access them in any way after the fact

[rotund oak]

or a bit of both

[limber lion]

I guess it's just numbers and whatever

but my small e-penis needs a boost every now and again

[glass tulip]

does seeing method above your head not do the trick?

[limber lion]

Oh the guild I left 2 months ago?

[glass tulip]

rip

what about ceveriontwo

I missed the lore on that one

[limber lion]

There's no lore to be had

[bleak sky]

gotta log yourself right

[limber lion]

That does not work

[bleak sky]

huh

[limber lion]

If a guild is set to stealth mode, you cannot publicize the logs in any way

[bleak sky]

can you not upload logs as personal+private

[glass tulip]

so your personal reports can be blocked by a gui;d

wack

[bleak sky]

damn that kinda sucks

[limber lion]

I used to always log my kills, but I stopped doing it because there's always someone else doing it and my fps dropped a bunch when combatlog was rolling

[sand sigil]

🤷🏼‍♂️ rogue doesn't have rallying cry

[limber lion]

But I mean, it's to avoid poaching, stealing strats etc. so it makes sense why they would completely eviscerate them all

[bleak sky]

yeah sure

[marble hemlock]

they get the "crying" part correct but not the rallying one

[spice spire]

You’re right dude.
I mean who does only 16k on soulrender LMAO.
Oh wait that’s not even gold because of world of externals

[bleak sky]

but you're saying that if you Personal log + private log, you can't see your stuff?

[limber lion]

All we do is cry

[marble hemlock]

[bleak sky]

or did I misunderstand your stealth mode explanation

[limber lion]

If you personal log, you can access the log that you uploaded

But it is not uploaded to your profile

[bleak sky]

[limber lion]

You can get individual logs up, but they never appear on your profile

in any shape or form

if the guild is set to stealth mode

and most of the players using private logs

[marble hemlock]

its how cev makes sure his doctored logs are actually working before he uploads them publicly

[bleak sky]

that's shit but fine I guess

at least you get to keep access to them later

[limber lion]

[spice spire]

[glass tulip]

[rotund oak]

BRB GRABBING POPCORN

[marble hemlock]

a zero here, a noncrit turned into a crit there, and suddenly youre 99/100 parsing

[limber lion]

Seli made a new lost ark character yesterday on a new server and he's probably already ahead of me in ilvl

[oak sky]

Maybe cev was the guy behind that feral player all along

[spice spire]

What is this? Feral?

[limber lion]

can't win anywhere

[marble hemlock]

http://puu.sh/IJXpQ/c26e5af74c.jpg

not yet

[sand sigil]

o the solution here is actually very easy cev

[spice spire]

Seli about to afk prog

[oak sky]

See it all makes sense now cev doesnt play like a robot he just has a robot make it look like he does

[limber lion]

I'm listening

[spice spire]

[sand sigil]

i may or may not be willing to inspect element on my wcl page and put ur name there for 4 small payments of $19.99

nobody's gonna know

[marble hemlock]

the man can barely afford food

[spice spire]

[rotund oak]

😂

[marble hemlock]

and cev is finnish, that makes him, by definition, a robot already

[sand sigil]

well if u want the budget version u can do it urself and then photoshop the word mythic over the word heroic and u should be good to go

[marble hemlock]

emotionless finns, set out to destroy your parses

[oak sky]

We talking about daps logs now?

That why you mentioned changing heroic to mythic?

[sand sigil]

hahah no i meant cuz i randomly have some public heroic parses on my page from when i pugged one week

[marble hemlock]

pigged you say

https://tenor.com/view/get-pigged-lol-pig-gif-18670084

[oak sky]

Oh i was just joking anyways

[limber lion]

how about a tier 1 sub on twitch

[marble hemlock]

i subbed to jpc when he played assa for like 2 attempts in the great push

[limber lion]

I still have a screenshot of my prog logs, so whenever I'm feeling down, I just pull those up and sweet talk myself

Very healthy

[marble hemlock]

have to slowly condition him to the good spec

[limber lion]

would recommend

[oak sky]

Love prog logs

Hopefully you guys see my name up there early on this tier

[spice spire]

[glass tulip]

inspect element is OP

[limber lion]

Best moment was doing 400 dps more than KSP on his prog kill with PI.

[bleak sky]

feinting all the way to the top

damn who dat

[spice spire]

Ill swap to healing logs for you papi

[limber lion]

damn you're nutty!

[bleak sky]

im YUGE

[glass tulip]

ksp wh

[oak sky]

I better sleep i have class in 8 hours

[bleak sky]

PST truly a ffucked timezone

[oak sky]

Im about 7 hours off a healthy schedule

[limber lion]

I went to sleep 3 hours before my violin lesson

[spice spire]

????????

[limber lion]

Would not recommend

[bleak sky]

I said what I said

[sand sigil]

idk if u saw but i actually tried the tyrannical pf sin tech

and good god is it strong dps lol

[oak sky]

Bro its 5 am here minalba and i havent slept

[bleak sky]

what's the tech

[limber lion]

[oak sky]

Going sin is the tecj

[glass tulip]

the tech is playing sin lol

[bleak sky]

port out swap and go back in?

[sand sigil]

well u just get the haste puddle on the ground which is 25%

[limber lion]

converting them one by one

[sand sigil]

and ur teammates flesh craft so now it's 50%

and first second and last boss has 2t for bleeds

[limber lion]

Yeh the pf haste thing is nutty

[oak sky]

Daps was talking to me about it a few days before i saw it on the stream

[limber lion]

feels pretty great to play

[sand sigil]

and u do like 20k dps st

for the whole fight

[bleak sky]

yeah sin is juicy af in pf

[sand sigil]

absolutely crushes sub

it's bad on 3rd boss and everywhere else

but for the other 3 bosses it's nuts

[spice spire]

Second boss has some nice uptime.
But also yeah for third boss, I just grab every other set of assassins. I’m useful

[limber lion]

I like doing m+ every now and again, especially on a good group

[sand sigil]

could be sick next patch maybe w dusk as well

[limber lion]

but god I hate pf whenever I do it

regardless of group

[sand sigil]

cuz ur spending so much energy w the haste

[marble hemlock]

haste puddle is fun as rogue

[spice spire]

I’m a PF enjoyer

[marble hemlock]

cuz you can stand in it without taking damage

[spice spire]

I’m also a fried top lover tho

[marble hemlock]

just gotta yell at tank to not move out of it

[bleak sky]

top is good for sin tho

imo at least

[marble hemlock]

assa top is nice

until you dont get stealths on teh teleport platforms

and then you get

[slow marsh]

Yeah only real issue is that in vend with 4p we can't spend energy fast enough so some of the haste gets wasted in terms of cdr for dusk

[bleak sky]

top, pf, mists kinda and I enjoy spires

everything else I feel useless

[spice spire]

[marble hemlock]

just dont garrote

[bleak sky]

like high sanguine as sin has to be trolling

[marble hemlock]

during vendetta

[bleak sky]

there's no way

[marble hemlock]

no bleeds = less energy

no more overcapping

[bleak sky]

put that in the apl right now seli

[marble hemlock]

follow me for more lifehacks

[spice spire]

[slow marsh]

I have no words rn

[marble hemlock]

speechless in the presence of my genius?

[bleak sky]

the words youre looking for are

[marble hemlock]

it fades, dw

[bleak sky]

"thanks seli for the deep meaningful insight"

[slow marsh]

Something like that sure

[sand sigil]

sometimes his genius is frightening

[marble hemlock]

too smart

[slow marsh]

One time I watched a rogue play sin with no poisons and it completely changed my playstyle

[marble hemlock]

they hated him because he spoke the truth

@balmy condor you think its worth to not garrote during vendetta with 4pc so you dont overcap energy as much and can instead generate more CP with mutilate?

[sand sigil]

might as well drop rupture if u think about it cuz when u press vendetta u get 60 energy as well so like this makes sense too

[marble hemlock]

should drop rupture instead of garrote since garrote costs more energy, meaning more CDR with dusk

[slow marsh]

Yeah

[spice spire]

[marble hemlock]

but hey, the new setbonus made me hate assa in m+

feels really good on st tho

but in aoe i just dont like the new playstyle at all

[slow marsh]

Yeah

[marble hemlock]

btw james did they fix the atrocious hitboxes of the relics in the new affix?

[slow marsh]

It was already somewhat chaotic for big pulls and now it's just x2

I wonder how the cheater build will do in +15 no leavers

[bleak sky]

cheater build?

[slow marsh]

Ns mfd ct

[bleak sky]

[slow marsh]

Ma not gonna be worth over dusk

It's cheesy and stupid but fun for low keys

[bleak sky]

I really hope sin doesn't feel weird in m+ as you two are saying

[slow marsh]

It's not too different on smaller pulls and it's nice for st but imo it's exponentially more chaotic in larger pulls

Maybe someone will make some weak auras or plater things to make it easier to track your vend bleeds tho

Would be huge

[normal mist]

Imagine having to use more than two brain cells to play assa

I'm rerolling

[marble hemlock]

my annoyance with it is that it went from a spec that had meaningful decisionmaking in how to use your GCDs, to one where whatever GCD you press it just feels like youre losing smth