It's just a do the mechanic fight
#assassination
slow marsh
It's just rough going from 25 pulls on eye to 10 on the nine then 61 remnant, 69 soulrender, 288 PAINSCHMIDT, then freaking 9 on guardian
Like wtf is this
lean coral
Should never have to hold dmg that fucking long
fallen arch
KT now is fine right
blissful raven
what is the b est legendarie for ASA???
lean coral
depends on cov/stats
blissful raven
vethyr is the best cov righr
timid cloud
Yes. You send. The only thing that matters is that you don’t nuke banshees since they literally have next to no HP now.
timid cloud
It might be since you just don’t have the crit. But that’s a feelycraff moment.
When in doubt. Sim it out.
limber lion
It really depends on your frost rank honestly.
Without r4/r5 frost it's a bit messy
But yeah, wouldn't freeball it, just sim it out.
marble bear
is it bad that I use mad duke for all content?
winged crater
!oil
prisma monolithBOT
Using consumables will increase your damage, however the difference between oil/stone/potion combinations are very minor (within 0.5% of each other). You can sim the difference for yourself by pasting this pastebin underneath your /simc input, in the "advanced sim" section of raidbots: https://pastebin.com/Lbxc7afJ
arctic hare
I'm simming at 9,822 now, whoot whoot
vestal wren
nice
ebon notch
@slow marsh did you lose a bunch of players before painsmith or what lmao
slow marsh
<@!409626135408803841> did you lose a bunch of players before painsmith or what ...
No lol
It just be like that with this guild
I said before the tier that painsmith was gonna be the hardest boss for us just knowing how they are
ebon notch
I said before the tier that painsmith was gonna be the hardest boss for us just ...
how did you even
withstand
that many pulls
i would have left at 150
slow marsh
I almost didn't tbh
I was making plans to leave after we hit 200 and the same people were dying to tank spikes and no changes were made
We finally managed to kill it last night, of course on the pull where I had a flag get parried but I'll take it.
long wyvern
not really
glass tulip
Wait so how many did it take?
vestal wren
not really
i personally don't like damage stops, but they become more often relevant
long wyvern
i personally don't like damage stops, but they become more often relevant
I meant it's not really a stop dps boss
Even if you get bombs and shatter
Just healthstone , even on shatter 3 which does more its completly fine
The issue with that boss is dps not doing orbs, bomb damage and shatter damage is irrelevant
long wyvern
defo not i was in a very meh guild
vestal wren
but keep in mind that the majority is playing more casual that has to deal with other issues
we had damage stops but later with more gear just pushed through the boss often
gritty mason
does anyone know what the best zandalari embrace is for sin rogue?
golden basalt
Should be paku
slow marsh
Wait so how many did it take?
288
subtle tundra
man zoldyck is actually such a pad leggo
echo geyser
right when i was about to sim my sin stuff
i noticed i had added PI and Kyrian Link
"i dont think im supposed to sim 14k ST"
i rly hope the kt legs beat painsmith ones
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/8utQKRoSGqW1vVRDBe9RnU 
obed not quite there yet
shell kettle
I mean thats basically the same thing
shell kettle
1,5 week you can trash it for a remade one if you like. Or just turbofarm cinders i guess
echo geyser
o?
sharp zodiac
Yeah you get full refund of cinders and ash
echo geyser
ooo
sharp zodiac
So just need base item and missives now
shell kettle
youll need another tier 6 base item tho ye
But given your itemlevel you probably have plenty of gold income anyway
sharp zodiac
Legit think it only costs like 10k raw material for 262 cloak rn anyways
On proudmoore anyways
sharp zodiac
You can just run 5 full double torg clears
shell kettle
You can farm torg anyway
echo geyser
crit haste 
sharp zodiac
Just sprint to end and kill boss doesn’t have to take long
echo geyser
u mean perma cinder farm?
shell kettle
y
sharp zodiac
Yeeee
echo geyser
sharp zodiac
Ram bout to be R1 Maw rattle parse
echo geyser
they should let u trade soul ash for cinders
like 10 or 20:1
gonna be bathing in soul ash but no use
sharp zodiac
I heard that was in the works.
But they scrapped it to change a piece of wall painting to a bowl of fruit
echo geyser
doomblade is not gonna be seeing any more play right
sharp zodiac
Parse lords on first 3 maybe playing Necro
echo geyser
i see
shell kettle
they should let u trade soul ash for cinders
It should just be 1 curriency 
echo geyser
yeah
shell kettle
The literal only reason that cinders exist is because they wanted to timegate tier 6 legendaries
It is now obsolete
subtle tundra
well, yea, it made sense
shell kettle
I think that if you look at it retroactively the entire system has failed and that the changes coming november 2nd affirm that
shell kettle
Remarking someone's displeasure because you are displeased with their displeasure 
timid cloud
It’s just pointless & negative.
shell kettle
Its not pointless at all. If you never make your opinion heard you can't expect anything to change.
timid cloud
That’s true, but things are changing so why are we still talking about it? You’ve been heard, now you may stop.
shell kettle
I have my doubts about that honestly, I don't the idea that blizzard has now learned about their past and things will change for the better forever.
Anyways the very fact that I have to explain you these things probably means that any argument is largely futile so I won't bother further. If you do actually want to understand, you can always whisper me.
timid cloud
No thank you, we’re done here.
shell kettle
it was the same with soul ash
I don't think soul ash was well handled either. Although this channel is probably not the right place for this so if you want to discuss we'd have to go to #wow-general
kindred rapids
Changing the subject, if garrote is in pandemic window at 3cp is it better to garrote and finish at 4 or mut, finisher, then garrote.
I usually do the latter
golden basalt
garrote no? Risk of wasting combo points with mut
quasi ledge
Yes, Garrote and finish on 4 (if playing Vigor obviously)
Removes the chance at overcapping if the Mut crits, but it won't make any difference either way tbh
timid cloud
It also depends on your Rupture / Envenom durations too.
kindred rapids
You risk wasting cp but 4cp finishers are less efficient than 5
So it's a tradeoff
I feel
timid cloud
Barely, it’s just because you need to keep up Elaborate Planning too.
quasi ledge
"Losing" the combo points is worse than finishing on 5
golden basalt
I mean if you can put rapture into pandemic that’s even better there
But there’s too many variations and the best cast would be different each time depending on the scenario
timid cloud
Mentally I’m just like “If I hadn’t overcapped my CP here then I would’ve had X amount of CP here in this part of my rotation, possibly, this is a DPS loss.”
golden basalt
“I could’ve reached my shiv window quicker and potentially gotten more shivs in during the fight”
Then just get completely demoralised and just chill
timid cloud
Lol.
normal mist
gusty mirage
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/p7VW61K1goaXAzddNaVfDX
I'm going to need you to stop flexing your double 259 edges
echo geyser
u rly had to do oxi like that huh @kind talon
kind talon
<:wowreally:880389092641243186> u rly had to do oxi like that huh <@!17003119240...
everyone making it sound like i bully oxi
gusty mirage
<:wowreally:880389092641243186> u rly had to do oxi like that huh <@!17003119240...
he's just socially awkward
its okay
echo geyser
im willing to give away mythic edges as long as they dont have tetiary stats on em 
gusty mirage
I should really level my EU druid and just be a simp
kind talon
im willing to give away mythic edges as long as they dont have tetiary stats on ...
aight
gusty mirage
it's level 46
echo geyser
gusty mirage
okay dude
kind talon
kind talon
@echo geyser
i just eralizaed
this is so funny
venthyr mage gets almost 0
from kyrian druid
oak sky
having more than 33% on venthyr frost
echo geyser
kind talon
echo geyser
zoomers
oak sky
haste?
oak sky
karmic depot
hey im new to the disc do you guys do log reviews?
oak sky
yeah if you ask for one theres plenty of people that can review them
karmic depot
there a certain channel i send it too?
oak sky
anywhere
or you can dm it if you dont feel like everyone seeing it
I wouldnt mind looking
oak sky
you just get more comments from more people if you slap it in here
yep totally good
a lot of people have a fight in mind
so if you want more specific info on one parse you can always send that too
karmic depot
im just looking how to increase my dps i went up in the chat a bit saw someone 4 ilvl higher then me simming for 14k and i sim at 10.2k lol
oak sky
well a sim is just gear
also
if it was ramfam
one of his sims had kyrian druid buff baked in
which is over 1k dps
oak sky
well we cap out around the 12k range with the best gear we can get
hollow river
Max sims with regular raid buffs are 12-12.5k
hollow river
This includes windfury totem which a lot of raids don’t have or don’t give to their assa rogue
karmic depot
ya i sim 10.2k patchwerk but seeing my ilvl parses are green and grey still doesnt make to much sense
ya im 4/10 M looking for a new raid team cuz mine raid 2-5 am
hollow river
Ouch
karmic depot
oh ya i dont get windfury
or pi normally unless i search for a group w a priest and pay them
hollow river
Yeah you can turn off wind fury in your sim buffs
Focus on parsing without PI tbh
It’s fun to get PI, sure
karmic depot
ya youre totally right just want my parses looking clean when i have to link my parses to guilds for trying to join
oak sky
looks like you lost a few casts of things
you want to be pressing shiv, flag, and vendetta on cooldown
you sync up flag with vendetta when you won't lose a cast by doing it though
karmic depot
ya i normally do that i try to save them on that fight if we just are about to go into the sheild tho cuz alot of moving
hollow river
On guardian you wasted 8 combo points to mutilates
oak sky
losing a cast is way worse than using it at a bad time
hollow river
ya i normally do that i try to save them on that fight if we just are about to g...
You shouldn’t need to save them on guardian at all
oak sky
the only time you should need to save uptime on guardian is when you get the bombs
hollow river
It sucks to get a bomb during CDs, but that’s somewhat unpredictable. Kinda rng at that point
oak sky
also, your rupture uptime was a little low
should be shooting for 98%+ if possible
96% on your garrote is good enough though
hollow river
Careful with wasting combo points as well
karmic depot
ya the website told me when vendetta is up to not use anything but mutilate and evenom so i dont even press my bleeds during that
hollow river
Big no no
oak sky
definitely press bleeds during vendetta
hollow river
ya the website told me when vendetta is up to not use anything but mutilate and ...
??????
karmic depot
oak sky
oh no nono
karmic depot
said i should try only using those 2 moves during it
hollow river
Don’t trust that website
drifting cloud
that thing hasnt been updated for like 3 tiers atleast
karmic depot
oh shit
hollow river
^^^
karmic depot
welp
oak sky
all the info in this discord in pins and faq is constantly updated
hollow river
Yeah not having bleeds rolling during vendetta is very bad
oak sky
and wowhead/probably icy veins are at least current to the patch
prisma monolithBOT
karmic depot
during vendetta then should i be using a 4 combo point instead of 5 if it means wasting
combo point
oak sky
i'm pretty sure whispyr has updated the wowhead guide in the past few weeks since he became the guide writer
hollow river
Method.gg has good small guides for each individual boss fight too
Pretty useful info
But your raids fight timers are specific to your raid
So whether or not you sync a flag/vendetta is based on that
oak sky
the general rule is you sync your first and last vendetta/flag together
karmic depot
ya when i pug its weird cuz my cooldowns are different each team i go to makes things weird
oak sky
it can be hard
hollow river
Yeah pugging for parses can be a bit rough
oak sky
its safer to just press everything on cooldown than to try to hold and mess it up
hollow river
Timers are something you learn more as you play more. Do you have a combat timer WA?
That can help a little
karmic depot
i dont think so i just have boss timers like when they gonna do certain moves
hollow river
I’m still learning how to utilize fight timers optimally myself
oak sky
there should be a timer in the top left of details as well
karmic depot
ya shows how long fights been going on
karmic depot
ya but whats that help with if i may ask
drifting cloud
ert has one
karmic depot
just shows how long the fights been going on for
hollow river
So I know whether or not to sync my cast
karmic depot
oooo
oak sky
like if you know that you're at 50% on guardian at 1:30 you then you might want to sync flag with vendetta at 2 mins
karmic depot
okay i see now flag could be off cd but vendetta isnt and boss is at 15 % use the cds type deal
oak sky
because you probably won't get to use that cast at 3 mins
hollow river
^^^
karmic depot
ooooo okay wow i never thought of that
hollow river
Or flag comes off CD around 3 minutes but the boss should die before 4:30, you hold for the vendetta around 4
If the boss dies before 4, you’d send the flag alone
Etc
oak sky
but yeah the basic idea is to get the most casts you can of everything but also to sync up stuff when you can
karmic depot
thank you for looking over the logs yall amazing
oak sky
just let someone know if you have more questions
karmic depot
will do thanks
balmy condor
Method.gg has good small guides for each individual boss fight too
TRUE
method guide is very good
slow marsh
i heard the method guide writer was kinda sus and doesn't even play the spec idk
balmy condor
I heard he's very handsome
hollow river
balmy condor
oak sky
hollow river
balmy condor
yeh he wrote for 9.1
but it needed a small tweaking
and he quit, so now I'm the writer
hollow river
PeepoClap
slow marsh
PeepoCap
hollow river
Is there a point to the defensive spreadsheet now?
Or does it all just go onto the method guide
balmy condor
defensive spreadsheet is more comprehensive
oak sky
""
balmy condor
also includes dungeons
hollow river
True
prisma cypress
i see mfd sims better than vigor, but how much of that gain is negated by wasting more energy
is this really better in practice
oak sky
yes, especially with resets
slow marsh
i see mfd sims better than vigor, but how much of that gain is negated by wastin...
how are you wasting energy though
south hollow
the opener feels a bit clunky
hollow river
When you go to do a mechanic I suppose you could argue you’d cap energy faster without vigor idk
hollow river
the opener feels a bit clunky
Just play belf and use arcane torrent before garrote 
south hollow
orc gang
hollow river
Indeed
slow marsh
i mean the opener is the same as bs/ds but a little better actually
south hollow
the orc tmog is very important
hollow river
I’ve been thinking about going orc out of boredom
dense hamlet
idk some mogs dont fit orcs
hollow river
Some don’t fit b elf :/
dense hamlet
ye
hollow river
Like SoD helm on f belf
south hollow
i like how shoulder pieces look on orcs
hollow river
Is kinda yuck
dense hamlet
isnt that helm just shit
hollow river
It looks decent on f orc
dense hamlet
hollow river
I rarely dabble in pvp
prisma cypress
all belfs must bow to their zandalari troll overlords
hollow river
Wanna get the glad mogs but just cba
hollow river
all belfs must bow to their zandalari troll overlords
south hollow
ngl if there were no factions all my chars would be gnomes or mechagnomes
their racials are fucking op
balmy condor
True even a lot of the patch gear sets of rogue sims are mechagnome
BiS is BiS 
fathom swift
yes i know what it does, thats why my rogue is a mechagnome
oak sky
then why did you say awful racials
hallow sage
then why did you say awful racials
because it's not shadowmeld
hallow sage
oce player, can only really play alliance 🤷♂️
oak sky
lmao
plain onyx
blood elf or orcs , what would you choose for rogues ?
balmy condor
Whatever looks cooler
plain onyx
racials wont matter a lot ?
oak sky
they never do, the biggest difference is like 100 dps or something
but belf and orc are like 2 of the best anyway
hallow sage
racials wont matter a lot ?
if you want to be lazy as sin, go orc and macro blood fury into vendetta
oak sky
@balmy condor how much do you gain from pressing arcane torrent at all during a fight
placid radish
orc is BiS if you also want to PvP
balmy condor
<@!167090536602140682> how much do you gain from pressing arcane torrent at all ...
Idk how much the button is
But it’s something I guess
oak sky
is there a sim
i need to know if i should actually be doing it
optimized laziness and all that
balmy condor
It is 100% worth doing
hallow sage
so i did some rough maths
and i worked out
15 energy is > 0 energy
so
do with that what you will
oak sky
thanks for your comment
hallow sage
yw king 👑 💪
gusty mirage
i need to know if i should actually be doing it
oak sky
its 60 energy in a 6 minute fight + L + ratio
i use it in m+ for the dispel every once in a while
gusty mirage
its 60 energy in a 6 minute fight + L + ratio
You’re right not worth at all
gusty mirage
Surely it must be like 300 dps
Don’t call me Shirley
slow marsh
Well first of all my name's not Shirley and secondly just cuz we're friends doesn't mean you can expect me to call
sinful cradle
gusty mirage
Whoever did these emotes, I love you
@stuck knoll 
balmy condor
Yeah legend has it he drew them himself using crayons
Very talented
Oh no
A big link
To a discord message
normal mist
Was i trolled? XD
normal mist
BCS I have a digital artist friend that does amazing emotes all the time for streamers, my GF is also trying to learn how to do them for my guild discord
I see it now WELL THANKS DUDE THAT MADE THEM ANYWAY
gusty mirage
Ronkles had the idea to get them done. That deserves some credit
normal mist
Got enough love for everyone dw
(Funny how auto corrector wrote lube instead of love)
stuck knoll
Yeah legend has it he drew them himself using crayons
I climbed to the top of the highest plastic slide in my playground with some crayons to get them done
normal mist
We summoned him 
stuck knoll
normal mist
Great idea on getting us such sweet emotes and amazing digital artwork from Thor!
It's Monday, I don't even know why I'm in such a good mood
kind talon
@solar stump yo just wanted to ask you if you think its good to go double dps trinkets?
and especially if thats good to use with spirit bomb?
seems like it might do tons of damage
round temple
Wrong discord? Pretty sure spr bomb is not part of assassin rotation 😛 or maybe i missed some conversation
kind talon
nah its just a meme i have with that guy
round temple
Aha my bad! I’ll lurk back into my corner now
normal mist
Spirit bomb should do dmg based on intellect. Or spirit, but that was removed
hallow sage
spirit bomb should pull health from all allies around you
to 1shot nuke someone, but it's got a 99% failure rate
normal mist
Dh + intellect would be able to triple jump!
Imma stop here before someone tells me this isn't #assassination content 
oak sky
to 1shot nuke someone, but it's got a 99% failure rate
new monk class design idea 
kind talon
With these buffs
?
spice spire
No buffs, just sim correction iirc. In pins it states it’s verified for sub/outlaw. Unsure if it’s a gain for sin. That would be a TC question id ask Vhispyr if it weren’t 4 am for him lol
oak sky
seems unlikely since kyrian is so far behind on sin
kind talon
oh
the sim correction was for sylv daggers
so its like
nothing for sin since you dont use resounding clarity
lol
ruby oyster
yo guys on fatescribe, assuming equal gear would you rather play outlaw or assa? so far it seems like outlaw makes mechanics easier to deal with but my guild is aiming to burst p3 ignoring runes, if my execute patchwerk for outlaw and assa sims within like 200dps i guess im fine either way? im asking here and not in outlaw channel because i normally play assa so i would rather see a comment of players similar to me
oak sky
yeah play whatever ur better at
or whatever you want
rogue is insane and all 3 specs are close
ruby oyster
ok cool thanks, any value in using zoldyc instead of dashing if i decide to roll with assa?
ruby oyster
got it
normal mist
@oak sky your avatar is so good my dude
oak sky
ive been watching avatar so i decided it was time to retire the wicked
i do miss this guy though
normal mist
Reaching the end!
After watching the last ep from the last book, I had this "why are there no more episodes?!" And cried
There's a sequel but meh
normal mist
Watched some eps but didn't quite do it for me
oak sky
yeah ive definitely heard its not for everyone
solar stump
<@!248525608340946945> yo just wanted to ask you if you think its good to go dou...
Ideally if you could go Spirit Bomb / Phial + Divisible Ooze then you should AFK near the entrance of KT where all the Skeleton mobs spawn, I've heard that's BiS?
kind talon
Ideally if you could go Spirit Bomb / Phial + Divisible Ooze then you should AFK...
that sounds extremely strong, almost as strong as my relationship with the cotank i met 20 minutes ago but am already having e-sex with
oak sky
solar stump
that sounds extremely strong, almost as strong as my relationship with the cotan...
If you want we could stream and sit attacking training dummies for an hour just to make sure you learn how to play?
kind talon
If you want we could stream and sit attacking training dummies for an hour just ...
sounds good, general voice channel?
solar stump
sounds good, general voice channel?
Boost Room 1 so everyone can see you 🌟 Learning 🌟
solar stump
https://discord.gg/YBSeKuQ5
oh no the meme died and he's serious now
oak sky
haha
kind talon
@solar stump https://discord.gg/YBSeKuQ5
normal mist
I'm working, :( can't join
solar stump
<@!248525608340946945> https://discord.gg/YBSeKuQ5
Also working 😦
solar stump
Smile
oak sky
no
oak sky
no
oak sky
you can step to something fully on the other side tho
not to the balls
or the boss inside the balls
rotund oak
thats what im implying
the boss being on the otehr side
if we can shadowstep
while balls rolling between
rotund oak
true but maybe could step on something else
oak sky
yeah you can step to a person but you literally never need to
kind talon
The boss is only on the other side in phase three for a second but you’re focusing balls at that point
oak sky
just kill balls
kind talon
So you have p much 100% uptime
normal mist
This is not optimal but venthyr players can use shadow door to escape tricky situations
I usually use the venthyr ability to port to the other side of the beam in the 2nd boss, (if I'm not fast enough to just click my warlock and SS
oak sky
yeah but the point is your raid wipes if the ball doesn't die anyway so it doesn't matter either way
normal mist
Yeah yeah, was not talking about painsmith, just a quick reminder that we can actually do some tricky shit
rotund oak
im jsut considering whats a better spec to play coz the individual responsibility to stay alive is very high on painsmith
Outlaw seems more fitting for that
normal mist
I'm not a mythic Raider myself so I can't help with that
As a heroic nerd, I'm pretty okay with assa
rotund oak
ye door of shadows works actually and its a very good input
oak sky
im jsut considering whats a better spec to play coz the individual responsibilit...
play what you're best at, doesn't matter, outlaw isnt really better on painsmith for any good reason
rotund oak
its has acrobatic strikes,its definitely better for dpsing balls and hlding a rangecheck
oak sky
dpsing balls is easy you just backpedal bro
rotund oak
doesnt matter the specc for me,can perform the same in all 3
oak sky
then play sub it does the most damage because you can funnel off balls
normal mist
(in HC painsmith I just FoK the balls while melting the boss)
oak sky
nothing wrong with that royal
rotund oak
its progress,ofc ild play sub if i wanted to blast it
oak sky
damage kills bosses
rotund oak
im not saying it doesnt
i can still do dmg as outlaw
and im acutally simming higher as outlaw than sub
oak sky
play what you're best at, doesn't matter, outlaw isnt really better on painsmith...
ill refer you to my previous comment
normal mist
Well, if it is prog, wouldn't you have an easier time going assa so you can DPS while being brain afk and just focus on all the mechanics?
rotund oak
not a problem for me whatever the specc,jsut examining what might be more optimal
anyway,thx for the input
appreciate
oak sky
Well, if it is prog, wouldn't you have an easier time going assa so you can DPS ...
sub is brain afk too
normal mist
Guess so, I'm also a assa nerd, I can't enjoy any other spec xD
cerulean nest
glass tulip
yeah imagine going to farm for 2 weeks and you just dont get it
then you have to wait until march to get it
lean coral
i mean imagine the pain of even tryna farm it
every melee gonna be signing up for that key
only real way to farm is getting a 4stack to farm it without
idk if theyre adding the key reroller to timewalking m+ either
to let you fish for the right key
lean coral
i just dont want a bis item in a every 3 months type of event
subtle tundra
if its like 50 dps i think its fine 🙂
lean coral
10% extra dmg on one of our top 3 dmg sources?
rotund oak
think it will be more than 50
subtle tundra
wow players and drawing conclusions without knowing what they are talking about
holy shit
subtle tundra
if was really good and melee wasnt even a big part of dmg back then
glass tulip
wasnt melee not wanted because mechanics were just uber punishing
and/or ranged could cheese a lot of stuff
back in legion, that is
subtle tundra
that has been true for every expac
lean coral
yeah was gonna say
rotund oak
in general kinda ye but rogue was always needed
lean coral
thats like every xpac
glass tulip
in general I'll probably try some of the dungeons, if I get a ring great, probably wont use it anyway
subtle tundra
ill probably farm it as long as its more than 10 dps
lean coral
wonder how much dmg it is at max IL possible for the ring
crit haste too so it'd just replace my non sylv ring
oak sky
246 ilvl btw
glass tulip
^
lean coral
yeah my second ring is still 246
glass tulip
no way itll be enough to knock out a bis 252 or 259
lean coral
my vault lucks been shit
subtle tundra
no way itll be enough to knock out a bis 252 or 259
it has bis stats though
lean coral
yeah dont see anything replacing my 259 sylv ring till next tier
rotund oak
its crit haste,for raid its bis even for outlaw
glass tulip
1 more week and I guess we'll see
rotund oak
also rings dont have primary stats on them so ilvl isnt that much of a big deal
alpine latch
Has anyone done the solo normal Plaguefall mount as Sin? I knowSub is better, but I suck at it. Just curious if it's actually doable or not and if so if anyone had any tips.
solar stump
Has anyone done the solo normal Plaguefall mount as Sin? I knowSub is better, bu...
Its doable but it's gonna be more gear dependant
lean coral
you have to do it on mythic 0 no?
solar stump
its easier to do on like a 210 DH Tank than it is on a 240 sin rogue
solar stump
you have to do it on mythic 0 no?
can do it on HC
violet jackal
I attempted at iLvl 250 CANT kill the 3rd boss. Full buff and only got her to about 15%
shell kettle
How many times did you try? My results would vary quite a bit when I took my shot before 9.1
hollow river
I attempted at iLvl 250 CANT kill the 3rd boss. Full buff and only got her to ab...
Can’t you get a tank to go with you for 3rd boss? And then just solo the final boss
violet jackal
Can’t you get a tank to go with you for 3rd boss? And then just solo the final b...
If I had friends yes I could do Something like that, I forgot if the coding was only one player in the instance at a time or 1 player at start of final boss fight. Unfortunately I have no friends
hollow river
If I had friends yes I could do Something like that, I forgot if the coding was ...
:/ the way it was set up when it first came out I know you could have a tank come help with 3rd boss then you solo final boss
fallen charm
does anyone know why is that sometimes I get 4 combo points from mutilate?
generaly happens when I'm bursting
plain thistle
we have a passive
we generate 1 combo point per crit, mutilate strikes with both hands
hollow river
I don’t think that’s how that works
limber lion
Correct, legion m+ is proper m+, not timewalking.
vestal knot
Hey all, I was curious if anyone had an idea why my melee is missing so much in heroic raid? Under melee, i'm missing close to 20% of my hits every fight, but the boss isn't parrying, it's 95%+ just outright misses.
prisma cypress
you mean white hits, or all your attacks
vestal knot
I'm pretty new, so forgive my ignorance. I'm just looking at warcraft logs and it says melee has a miss percentage of 20% which seems like I would be doing better dps if I were to figure out why that's happening?
For example:
spice spire
That’s normal since we have weapons in both hands iirc.
vestal knot
Oh okay - that may be true. I'm not very versed in logs. Trying to learn how I stack up at the moment.
spice spire
It’s normal to miss quite a bit. Now if you’re missing more than like 30% that’s cause for concern. But also position behind the boss so no parries happen
vestal knot
Yeah, that makes sense. My parries were low so I was thinking something else was the problem.
spice spire
Nothing tilts more than an sbs parried off the top of the fight
vestal knot
Maybe more of a logs question than Rogue specifically but what's ilvl % mean? Just what percentage I am for all rogues in terms of ilvl?
spice spire
Yes
vestal knot
Ah, I must be doing terrible than. Seems i'm ranked 15% with an ilvl rank of 28?
spice spire
They will do a 3 ilvl range. So it’s usually 245-247. And like 247-250 kinda thing.
normal mist
vestal knot
Ah, I'm only 236
normal mist
(dont mind the emote, showing my GF)
spice spire
If you ever want someone to look at your logs, you can post
And you can have us see if there’s any tips to improve
vestal knot
Uh sure, yeah that'd be cool.
normal mist
vestal knot
raven vapor
What are you logging on? SoD logs are scuffed in the low ilvl range due to dom sockets
spice spire
It is not @vestal knot private logged 😦
vestal knot
Okay let me try and figure out how to make it clickable.
raven vapor
I can see it
vestal knot
SoD is what i'm logging on
spice spire
If you ever get some public, and want some help post here, there are SEVERAL helpful rogues here that love to help.
vestal knot
This might be more public
I really hated my dps on mythics and stuff for assasination, I think i'm finally understanding the class but there is so much to click versus my braindead warrior. I'm glad you guys are helpful, I appreciate it.
spice spire
I can see it
You can’t see the report as it’s private. You can see the numbers, but for the log review side of it and seeing casts, resource management, sequencing, movement, and etc. it’s not viewable for me anyway
delicate berry
i also realized that this was the wrong channel haha
spice spire
It’s saying it’s a private channel
delicate berry
trying to troll a friend
vestal knot
Thanks a lot, if we need to go PM versus clogging the chat that's fine too. Don't want to take over here lol
balmy condor
Checking now
you want a thread?
vestal knot
you want a thread?
I'm sorry - i'm not sure what that means.
spice spire
you want a thread?
Yes man
A thread is a channel that’s temporary and diverged from the main channel
balmy condor
Goredrinker Log
vestal knot
Oh, I see it. That's cool.
spice spire
That way if someone comes in and asks a question and a whole conversation happens, log review isn’t lost!
dark token
Has a anyone checked on ptr whether dot damage for deadly poison and crimson tempest is reduced by the sqrt scaling of soft cap or is it uncapped? @balmy condor ?
balmy condor
only the initial hit of tempest as far as I know
dark token
Niice
dark token
Time to farm 262 Zoldyck
hollow river
Oh no
dark token
It will be even better next patch
balmy condor
those 3 pulls where you pull more than 8 mobs are going to be bangers
limber lion
But you can farm them infinitely without diminishing returns now, right?
balmy condor
yeh
dark token
Next patch yeah
limber lion
Or whenever 9.1.5 comes out
hollow river
Oo
limber lion
Ye
balmy condor
9.1.5 is infinte cinders
hollow river
Time to farrrrrrm
dark token
And they buffed the base soul cinders rate too I think
limber lion
Not sure why you'd want that, but you can do it
hollow river
So you can legit get every single legendary at 262 in one day
That’s the RuneScape grind talking 
hollow river
those 3 pulls where you pull more than 8 mobs are going to be bangers
I mean maybe the meta will shift a tad bit more towards bigger pulls throughout certain dungeons?
balmy condor
nah
hollow river
I imagine it will be hard to control which 8 mobs are taking the full scale damage though..
limber lion
Doubt it'll change much
The SL dungeons were designed with the AoE cap in mind
That's why most packs are like 3-4 mobs
balmy condor
the problem with pulling bigger is running out of CC and tank damage mostly
hollow river
Yeah ik
balmy condor
think about necropolis in NW
limber lion
Yeh, there's so many cancer packs that you just can't deal with
balmy condor
they nerfed weapons, and people needed to use 2 weapons or else they would run out of cc
or the tank would get smashed
hollow river
Maybe in 9.2 we’ll get some banger nuke em dungeons 
limber lion
Like Tazzavesh?
hollow river
Or we just continue playing PoE for our nuke it all fix
balmy condor
tazzavesh has like 2-3 big pulls tbh
I can see it
but dunno
that shit hits pretty hard
and has some spooky stuff
hollow river
Yeah it should be made into 2 m+ dungeons right?
hollow river
Like Tazzavesh?
Can I ask you something in #off-topic
limber lion
What's up
inland hull
Oh assassination lords, I need your guidance. I'm feeling like I'm reaching a ceiling here, and I want to break through it. Any help would be appreciated.
pallid bough
Tazavesh might be scary but imagine getting a +15 ticking sac in your vault
spice spire
Oh assassination lords, I need your guidance. I'm feeling like I'm reaching a ce...
Few things on opener. Garrote before flag. Also pot before the flag, that way your pot isn’t eaten by 3-5 casts of prep (getting SnD, garrote, and rupture up)
inland hull
Can do! Time to finally keybind a pot
spice spire
Also at 247, MfD will probably be better (as always, sim it!)
inland hull
Yeah, I want to say it sims 100+ dps higher, I'm just not used to it, so I thought it'd make my results worse due to poor play, but I can practice that.
spice spire
Yep, just those few things because that’ll up your garrote uptime. Other than that, you wasted a singular CP on mutilate? Work on that I guess 
spice spire
recognizing is good
inland hull
Has anyone posted a vid or anything showing mfd use? I'm having trouble getting the flow of it.
spice spire
It’s in the FAQ iirc
But if you want some hot MFD gameplay
Lemme see if I can find a rogue that streams
And you can watch that god
Vod even
pure moth
Ill have to sim again. Ive simmed afew times and it hasn't come out on top for me
spice spire
You can also BS/DS for guardian
oak sky
I was gonna say i have like 200 wipes on mythic sylvanas with mfd
spice spire
hollow river
But she dies tonight boys
PRAYGE
alpine latch
GL guys
hollow river
I believe in you young stealth boi
spice spire
hollow river
👻
alpine latch
I'm just over here trying to rebuild my Alliance guild to get to 20 so we can start Mythic... lol
spice spire
Horde abandoner smh
spice spire
If she doesnt die tonight my guild is shit
Caught in 4K king
oak sky
We wiped at 47% on pace to kill but someone stood in with death knives
alpine latch
Horde abandoner smh
Horde guild changed their raid days/times. I can't stay up til 1am on the weeknights 😦
hollow river
If she doesnt die tonight my guild is shit
Careful some of them might be in here lurking
alpine latch
Went back to my friends on Ally
oak sky
So she dies if we get back to platform 4
gusty mirage
Horde guild changed their raid days/times. I can't stay up til 1am on the weekni...
just rearrange your life
wdym
oak sky
Careful some of them might be in here lurking <:monkaW:675691826505711626>
Nah its fine i love those guys
But its true
alpine latch
just rearrange your life
They sucked anyway tbh
oak sky
If she doesnt die theres issues
hollow river
just rearrange your life
alpine latch
I went from a Horde guild that can't do mechanics for shit to an Alliance guild that can't do mechanics for shit
gusty mirage
If she doesnt die theres issues
!remindme 48hr
hollow river
Bro most guilds on Sylvanas rn have SOME kind of issues
Ours are mostly comp/roster focused
gusty mirage
I went from a Horde guild that can't do mechanics for shit to an Alliance guild ...
at least your tmogs look cooler
take wins where we get them brother
oak sky
I wasnt even in this guild until after painsmith
spice spire
If she doesnt die theres issues
Mister Dusti, I’d like to have you know that as of 10/25 mister agreonr has proclaimed “my guild is shit lmao”
Thank you for your time
oak sky
!remindme 48hr
Listen oxi, when you see me post my ce in here tonight, youre gonna clap for me and be happy
gusty mirage
I will be
oak sky
Mister Dusti, I’d like to have you know that as of 10/25 mister agreonr has proc...
I didnt say that :(
gusty mirage
I want to see everyone win
except for @spice spire
but that's because bullying him has become my main hobby
spice spire
oak sky
Like we literally almost got it our last raid night
gusty mirage
not a more authentic prayge from me right there
spice spire
Mister Dusti, I’d like to have you know that as of 10/25 mister agreonr has proc...
- sent 10/26
oak sky
So there isnt any real reason we cant kill
spice spire
<:habibiprayge:900439841928544317>
gusty mirage
<:joearab:832482492245737493>
oak sky
We have like 2 people late to raid tonight so we might waste an hour
:/
I really want us to get it
hollow river
We have like 2 different absences planned this week :/
spice spire
This is looking like you might be caught in 12k king
Gonna be C R I S P
Kidding here, just making yokes
hollow river
I really want us to get it
I really want all of us to get it. AND DUAL SYLVANERZ DAGGERS
oak sky
TRUE
gusty mirage
If I don’t have at least ONE before 9.2 then all is lost
like mythic
or any difficulty
hollow river
Mythic
hollow river
I got heroic on my AOTC kill
hollow river
Just loot it twice 5head
inland hull
I'd take it from lfr just to know it exits
spice spire
Getting back to work,
You all have a great one and best of luck tonight king
gusty mirage
Just loot it twice 5head
nah the first one took me 14 kills
gusty mirage
idk if I can kill her 14 more times for another 246
hollow river
I’ve given up on double heroic it doesn’t even sim better for sin
spice spire
Muse plays both based specs tho. Outlaw and Sub
hollow river
My blood would be r5 this week if I cleared heroic
gusty mirage
Muse plays both based specs tho. Outlaw and Sub <:yejoice:591717432087806000>
I play all 3 technically
hollow river
I’m 30 embers away
spice spire
Both killer for him so it’s a no brainer
tight ginkgo
im no sinner
hollow river
My r4 blood sub sims the same as my r5 frost sin
spice spire
im no sinner
Be gone Yellow name
hollow river
So r5 blood would make me play sub
gusty mirage
can't loot daggers in your fury warrior with pistols spec
tight ginkgo
not every one can be as kind and generous as quake it is true
hollow river
I have 252 and EoN sin and outlaw weps but I gave up on veinripper
tight ginkgo
... But Kyrian synergies! 
spice spire
Kyrian in my PURE assassination channel?! 
hollow river
Opening every vault as dagger spec
tight ginkgo
tight ginkgo
ngl pretty jealous!
spice spire
Is kyrian any good on sin now
Also @balmy condor sorry for ping, king. But I forgot to mention; I assume the Kyrian changes in sims don’t really apply to us, right?
gusty mirage
no
oak sky
resounding bad
hollow river
Literally all 3 specs sim 10.5k for me
oak sky
kyrian behind
gusty mirage
the changes to the sims were the anima charged CP affecting sylv daggers
balmy condor
I mean it does apply to us
gusty mirage
kyrian didn't magically become great
spice spire
Even before, Kyrian was ahead of NL though, according to sims
balmy condor
but who gives a shit
cause it's sin kyrian
with sylv daggers that are dogshit for sin
hollow river
I’d play it
spice spire
I figured it applies but still isn’t like better than Venthyr for us
hollow river
Kyrian sub in 9.1.5
spice spire
I am just making sure, didn’t really have time to do a full review of it before work, thank you for clarification though
gusty mirage
skip the memes
hollow river
I want that warlock mage tower moggie
spice spire
I’d play it
tight ginkgo
EZ just play rogue and lament your fate until blade flurry is uncapped
💀 still waiting
gusty mirage
EZ just play rogue and lament your fate until blade flurry is uncapped
that's some serious copium my friend
you had all of bfa to be OP
spice spire
No shot muse
tight ginkgo
hexed frost
EZ just play rogue and lament your fate until blade flurry is uncapped
No passive aoe skills will ever get buffed. Like ever. Same happened to Hunter's trick shots too, capped at 5 targets even though multi shot isn't capped.
Imagine arms warrior is sweeping strikes gets uncapped
tight ginkgo
Ha, my bad -- was just memeing. Probably could've made that clearer.
spice spire
Ha, my bad -- was just memeing. Probably could've made that clearer.
Unless…
hollow river
Blade flurry will get switched to 8 targets and the last minute
Just you wait and see
slow marsh
Too bad my outlaw sims the same as my sin
im the opposite my outlaw is now like 400 over sin so i'm on the struggle bus for what to play
hollow river
im the opposite my outlaw is now like 400 over sin so i'm on the struggle bus fo...
Yeah I’d be playing outlaw in raid if that was the case
Once I have r5 blood tonight or next week I might go sub
slow marsh
I like outlaw more for prog tbh just because of the cd timings
hollow river
But I think my raid wants me to stay sin for Sylvanas boss dam
slow marsh
if i had r5 blood i'd play sub
hollow river
I’m getting PI on p2 boss burn 
hollow river
With my vendetta since I can cloak the first waves
I didn’t ask for it
¯_(ツ)_/¯
It’s just kinda best used on sin at that moment
oak sky
im not even cd on boss first burn
slow marsh
ill be unethical all day if it's the optimal usage
hollow river
You cd adds?
slow marsh
my guild gives PI to destro lock
oak sky
goliath
slow marsh
on ST fights
oak sky
not demo+ not fire mage + not boomie + L + ratio
hollow river
my guild gives PI to destro lock
To destro??
We would be giving it to our demo probably but he has to take time once he gets to the boss to set up gate and his portal and then begin his ramp so
I usually have move speed or even sprint to get there quickly and hit the boss right after the interrupt
kind talon
holy moly on a whole cannoli bro
hollow river
demo is like the best pi target
Also depends on their performance and reliability heavily
I’m usually above our demo on boss dam when PI goes to fire mage
Fire mage is straight unethical almost as bad as Venthyr bompken
spice spire
Whether or not it goes to a higher damage character is (mostly) irrelevant. If demo gets +700, and you get +400, even if you’re still ahead, it’s just better to give demo, yeah?
Like if the player sucks
hollow river
Nah it definitely depends on performance and reliability
spice spire
No
But if you’re just a slightly better player and their class is way better, yes they should get it
hollow river
I definitely agree with you
spice spire
Idk your demo
hollow river
But it depends on the raid and players
spice spire
But there’s several people in my guild that will not get it
hollow river
Cev did a whole theory craft on giving assa rogue PI for p2
I wanna see his studies
oak sky
idk