#assassination

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drifting cloud
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are you necro?

mental swallow
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ven

hollow river
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check out more of the top 100 logs

sand hornet
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im ven

hollow river
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i know necro

drifting cloud
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youre not gonna parse as ven on prog

hollow river
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check the pins

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!guide

prisma monolithBOT
hollow river
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for talents and rot^

drifting cloud
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what part of the fight are you at prog wise

mental swallow
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alright - i'll keep looking through kill logs, see where i can push more - I was doing CT+rup on cabals

sand hornet
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perfect thanks @prisma monolith

mental swallow
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just reallly starting p3

drifting cloud
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are you phasing at 37.5?

mental swallow
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had good uptime of gar\rup on ram and sire

hollow river
mental swallow
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no we aren't we're still having dumb deaths in p2

sand hornet
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cool thanks

mental swallow
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thanks for the tips

drifting cloud
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because parsing sire and trying to do best useful dmg on prog sire

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are 2 different things

mental swallow
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yeah I got you on that

drifting cloud
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and thats before all the strat talks when alot of people are boosting or they hold dmg in p1 and/or p2

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or they do 2+2 or 2+1+1 strat

mental swallow
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yeah we're not even close to that

drifting cloud
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best you can do is good boss uptime in p2 if youre arent phasing at 37.5

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and to not scuff your cds in p3

strange python
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What pillars for sludge CDs? First then hold for fourth?

balmy condor
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pull 2 4

strange python
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How fast into pull do you have to mash vend for it to be up for 2?

balmy condor
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fairly fast

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like within the first 5

strange python
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And anything fucky with vend/lashing timing given the smash damage?

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Seems like that would fuck traditional opener a little then

humble ginkgo
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thank you whisp

balmy condor
balmy condor
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nothing crazy

strange python
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Not even vend before lash?

oak sky
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i think some people vendetta as he charges into pillar so its up the whole time but i bet its not a huge difference

strange python
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Yeah that makes sense. Just wondering since iirc in the usual rotation you lash before vend

sick scarab
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@balmy condoras fae for single targhet is dreamweaver not nya anymore ? (chedk pins :))

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mm where i can see the new 9.1 soulbind calculatgor ?

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foundit

rancid sphinx
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Doomblade is it the best lego for assassination? and where should i craft it to not have conflict with sockets ?

elfin valley
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For the CT denathrius build where would u try to weave it in to keep uptime? (asking more ab opener than anything else)

torn atlas
rancid sphinx
torn atlas
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Doom is best for raw ST damage. For m+ keys, Zoldyk is the way. I'm pretty sure it's still safe to craft these on pants as shouldn't conflict with sockets.

sand plume
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!guide

prisma monolithBOT
upper timber
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yo in the pins is it a misstype that we are using exang baseline for ST?

drifting cloud
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yes exsang is bad

upper timber
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well I knew that was just trying to see if it was a misstype or if the sims were run with exsang

dawn ivy
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i would cry tears of joy if the sims were just accidentally running exsang

upper timber
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lmao

zealous marsh
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Btw 6k dps on prog sire kill without a monk on assa is not that bad?

humble ginkgo
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No clue

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Just link ur log and ask ppl to review it

zealous marsh
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Well i’m on my phone gimme a sec

fallen arch
zealous marsh
fallen arch
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He ded, u win. Parse dont matter

humble ginkgo
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True

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First kill dont rlly matter

zealous marsh
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Yea i know but i always want to know what i can do better

fallen arch
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That arcane mage wins

zealous marsh
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Phase 1 not much i can pump coz adds melt

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Yea he pumps a lot

humble ginkgo
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Holy shit that mage

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What the fuck

zealous marsh
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Dunno if i passed him on boss

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Prob not

dawn pike
zealous marsh
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Didn’t have time to check tbh

dawn pike
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theres literally 23 parses with arcane mage at that ilvl

fallen arch
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But still

elfin valley
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gz on CE @zealous marsh

fallen arch
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That mage does shit right

zealous marsh
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Thank you peepohappy

humble ginkgo
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says 137 @dawn pike

fallow otter
humble ginkgo
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arcane is nuts right

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next tier?

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1 mage in my guild went arcane full time

dawn pike
humble ginkgo
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he pumps

elfin valley
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im still working on mine, 4% wipe tn Sadge @zealous marsh

dawn pike
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idk if that is pepega

fallow otter
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Yeh most fire will go there coz they hate first most of the time

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Also faceroll for aoe

humble ginkgo
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but still bruh the dude went from a 58 parse to a 100

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lol

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not many parses but

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💯

fallow otter
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Spam arcane explosion

humble ginkgo
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@zealous marsh all that matters is this bro

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p3 you were 3rd highest dps

unknown.png
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💯

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good shit

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boss dead you win

fallow otter
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They go kyrian boys

dawn pike
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im looking at the sims in the pins

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what does that talent = 3320.... mean ?

humble ginkgo
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its the rows

balmy condor
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1 is left, 2 is middle, 3 is right

humble ginkgo
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^^

dawn pike
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but what is 0 >?

humble ginkgo
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0 is doesnt matter what you pick

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aka like movement talents or whatever

dawn pike
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ooooo i see, thanks

humble ginkgo
zealous marsh
humble ginkgo
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im being serious bro

zealous marsh
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But i wondered if i could do sth better

humble ginkgo
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first kill wont be the best but all that matters is that the boss is dead

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parses will come after

zealous marsh
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Coz some guys are pulling nearly 8k

humble ginkgo
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once you are more comfortable on the boss

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well im no assa player but I know that first kill almost means nothing

zealous marsh
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Well i guess it is my urge of improvement

bitter canyon
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Is there any way for rogues to cleanse hunters mark in pvp?

humble ginkgo
zealous marsh
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Mby with monk it would be more

bitter canyon
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Ah, thank you!

zealous marsh
elfin valley
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hopefully!

dawn pike
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so we need to make doomblade on grimveiled cape ?

safe barn
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guys

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need an honest opinion here

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we are kinda strugglin with p3

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but we are very close

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is zoldyck DEFINETLY better than doomblade for this situation?

elfin valley
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what % do u enter p3 at?

drifting cloud
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yes

safe barn
shy dust
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If you need execute damage why wouldn’t you run the lego that gives you more damage in an execute heavy phase

elfin valley
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but are u actually hitting that %

safe barn
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in our best tries yeah

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we wiped today on 1%

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it was really sad

oak sky
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if you need best p3 damage for prog i think you go zoldyck

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iirc the most dmg is necro zoldyck ct

drifting cloud
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link 1% wipe? if you want

safe barn
zealous marsh
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And rest of your dps don’t die randomly?

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They are using pots?

elfin valley
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ive been using Doomblade for our prog bc we dont get him to 37% closer to 40/39

zealous marsh
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We were wiping coz of lack of monk in raid and we were having some physical dmg to support

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And we were also pushing him to 36/37

safe barn
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if no one dies in p2

zealous marsh
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We killed him clean when noone died on p3

safe barn
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pushing him to 37% is ok

zealous marsh
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And if so we had cb ress instant i don’t remember now

elfin valley
zealous marsh
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Ct is better in my opinion on 3rd phase

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A lot of movement

elfin valley
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yeah thats why i wanna swap

oak sky
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i think it just is better

zealous marsh
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Poison bomb won’t tick full duration

oak sky
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not even opinion

balmy condor
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Early 9.1 Legendar/Covenant comparison sims, please take with a large grain of salt

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balmy condor
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^typo

humble ginkgo
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If you get consistent pulls where no one died to the bad ravage the boss just dies after a couple of tries

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Just maximize ur uptime on the boss

zealous marsh
humble ginkgo
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And run the execute leggo if ur constantly on 1% wiped

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Wipes

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It will help surely

oak sky
safe barn
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the 2nd bait was confusing as fuck for us

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but now it's starting to get better

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and since after that the fight basically ends

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i think we can do it

drifting cloud
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on your lowest wipe you didnt phase at 37.5

safe barn
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i remember getting to 37% tonight

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oh, you meant in the 1% wipe?

humble ginkgo
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On my kill my guild didnt phase at the right percent

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We were like 1% off

drifting cloud
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all the low wipes you didnt phase at 37.5

humble ginkgo
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Or .5

safe barn
drifting cloud
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its not missing alot its just not phasing at hp but on timer

zealous marsh
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You lack disci priest

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That extra PI would help

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For ur affli

drifting cloud
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and how is he supposed to fix that

safe barn
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that 2nd warlock was actually a replace

drifting cloud
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what a random dumb ass thing to say

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ye just run 2 disc

zealous marsh
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I mean

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He can’t

drifting cloud
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especially on a fight where double disc isnt even good

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the other priest would have to be holy

shy dust
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@safe barn

zealous marsh
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Men i’m just throwing ideas

shy dust
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Why are you running EP on sire

zealous marsh
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You don’t have to be mean

shy dust
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When blindside is the execute talent

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And also does more ST damage

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You’re also running oil

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for some reason

zealous marsh
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Some ppl already said that he can go another lego

drifting cloud
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if you phase at 37.5 youll kill the boss, even if you dont you will probably kill it

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it just might take 30 tries instead of 5

shy dust
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EP/vigor

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Is a dumb choice for sire

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If your goal is to kill the boss

drifting cloud
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god it hurts having to use cds on dusk when you also arent making the p2 dps check

blissful yew
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Noob question is worth waiting release date to craft doomblade legendary?

long furnace
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so zodiak is like 1% dps better then doomblade only?

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in m+?

safe barn
drifting cloud
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yeah its just your last vendetta in p3

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is scuffed because of it

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if you had p2 dmg you could just not use 2nd time in p2 but you kinda have to

safe barn
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my pot is too

drifting cloud
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surely you dont have to pot dusk

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I definetly wouldnt

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because even if lets say worse case dusk lives on a few % its not even a wipe

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just a mobile class finishes it off next time you go threw mirror

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and your pot isnt gonna be a difference between it dieing or not Id say

safe barn
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makes sense

drifting cloud
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youd rather have the best pot in p3

safe barn
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i tried cuz i thought i could make it so i could use 2 in this fight

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but, nah

drifting cloud
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and you can just pot start of p2 or something for boss dam

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and it will be up for lust

shy dust
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Misguided

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Swap to deeper/blindside

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0 reason to run Elaborate planning

elfin valley
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can anyone give me a quick runthrough of CT use for the opener? And the goal is to keep CT up as much as possible right? i just see a lot of logs with like 50% uptime

shy dust
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You maintain ct outside of shiv windows

safe barn
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why deeper tho? it feels so bad to run it

shy dust
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It most likely does more damage

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Sim it

safe barn
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better use of bs procs?

shy dust
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But you’re venthyr

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Venthyr generally runs deeper on single target

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And running blindside is because it does more st damage

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EP is ran on sire to parse/do better cleave or aoe damage

safe barn
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makes a lot of sense

elfin valley
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So you use ur first CT after the initial shiv window and anytime outside of that window @shy dust

zealous marsh
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From what i remember you try to maintain it like rupture an garrote

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But it is last in priority

ashen oriole
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What if we dont have SnD up yet and jump into a pack of trash. Is the first finisher really supposed to be SnD?

zealous marsh
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You have to have snd up no matter what

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So if it is about to expire envenom, if it is not up snd

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If i’m wrong correct me but im pretty sure ceverion was saying sth like this

brazen rampart
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does it matter which enchant is on which weapon? as in, main hand vs offhand

drifting cloud
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it doesnt

limber lion
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Yes, Nymsoon is correct

drifting cloud
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hello cev have you seen sub sims (not for the faint of hearth)

limber lion
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SnD is really strong and CttC makes it ridiculously good.

limber lion
balmy condor
jagged bobcat
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Can someone confirm is Bone Spike works with Doomblade and Zoldycks?

sonic spire
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@balmy condor is it gonna last? :3 am i gonna have to play sub :3

slow tulip
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tbh ive played venthyr with zolyck on sire at first then switched to doom - did more in p3 than with zold 😄 the other rogue was necro... did the same, so in general i dont feel like the ifferences between covenants and top legos are significant and same goes for the top talents - just do the mechanics, do your rotation - the result will be the same. That being said - this stuff only matters if you are in a top 25-50 guild and really wanna min max the shit ouf of it

sonic spire
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or do you think itll get gutted again

drifting cloud
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if you did more in p3 with doom the difference is your play not the lego

balmy condor
slow tulip
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you could say that, but keep in mind the playstyle is exactly the same

knotty cradle
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Where can those sims be found?

slow tulip
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with those leggos

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the rotation is exactly the same

drifting cloud
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like you literally have a legendary that doesnt do anything for 70% and then you wanna discredit it where its actually good

shy dust
sonic spire
slow tulip
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maybe the diff is from the mechanics i did

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like getting targeted with the circles more often and what not

drifting cloud
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yeah your sample size of 2

slow tulip
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thats the breakdown of the p3

balmy condor
shy dust
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“Cttc is worth 50 dps”

balmy condor
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Idk mam

shy dust
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Yet you think Whispyr knows all

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🐑

balmy condor
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It’s looking kinda wild

slow tulip
weary marten
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what does CttC stand for please ?

shy dust
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Cut to the chance

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A quality of life change that Whispyr thought was worth 50 dps

balmy condor
shy dust
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And ended up being 200 dps

drifting cloud
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well is 100 dps not a big enough number?

shy dust
slow tulip
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ye but the sim takes the execute range of sub 25%

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and the boss phases at 36%

drifting cloud
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yeah doomblade is cracked baseline but sire p3 is probably the only phase in the whole raid where zold really shines

slow tulip
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i can agree on that

balmy condor
drifting cloud
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ofc when you have 14 dps your lego choice isnt gonna be what kills the boss

hearty vapor
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+2.6 dps wouldve killed it

slow tulip
drifting cloud
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yeah or not failing the soak/blades or whatever it was OMEGAKEKW

slow tulip
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we had countless sub 3% wipes :/ was getting ridiculous 😄

hearty vapor
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I may have died insta after popping CDs+ pot in p3

slow tulip
drifting cloud
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well its a phase with a "hard" enrage, wiping sire on 1mil is not really close to a kill

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I have 20k hp sire wipes

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and alot of them below 200

slow tulip
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man 20K wipes .... thats brutal 😄

hearty vapor
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How many people were playing Korayn

pastel roost
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Hello guys, me ( like many i presume) just got back and want to choose one of my mains characters to focus for 9.1 , was just wondering where do rogues stand right now ?

jagged bobcat
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hi

slow tulip
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assa and outlaw are really great

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assa looks like one of the best melee specs for 9.1 raid and outlaw for m+ and raiding

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so rogues look great on 9.1 so far

astral plover
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not gonna lie. Ive forgotten Sin Opener 😛

pastel roost
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Do rogues ( Outlaw or Assa) find it a little easier to find Groups ?

astral plover
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imagine being AFK from the game and forgetting that

pastel roost
sonic spire
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rogues right now stand in sadness as our sims for 9.1 jsut came out and told us to be kyrian sub

copper sundial
pastel roost
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Kyrian Sub, what heresie is this

slow tulip
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:^)

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sub spec is always a sim trap 😄

astral plover
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!guide

prisma monolithBOT
slow tulip
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blizz always baits us its gonna be good and then they nerf the shit out of it D:

drifting cloud
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sub hasnt been nerfed

vestal wren
drifting cloud
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in years

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unless you count a legendaries doing 30% dmg on beta a nerf

slow tulip
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i remember a lot of rogues inc me started as sub for the raid

pastel roost
drifting cloud
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yes and sub never got nerfed this patch

slow tulip
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than all switched to out and than to assa

shy dust
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And it was okay for the raid

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And never got nerfed

vestal wren
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all fine morli^^

sinful cradle
slow tulip
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OOF

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😄

vestal wren
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sub was mediocre in the first raid

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it seems to be good in the 2nd raid

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the dagger will likely be bugfixed/nerfed

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its atm a joke (in terms of how buggy it is)

pastel roost
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I'm sorry i really need to clarify for me, is sub Kyrian a real thing, or is it a Meme ? i mean is it so ahead of assa that you'd want to switch to it for raids ?

drifting cloud
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the sims are like 1h old

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we will see more in the next week or two but yes its looking strong

pastel roost
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Where can i find those sims if you would ?

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Ok nvm

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just saw the pins in sub

vestal wren
pastel roost
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But basicaly you're stuck as sub right ? is kyrian good in outlaw ? in the case you want to M+

vestal wren
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you basically decide what spec combination you want to play

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if you want to go sub/outlaw you possibly go kyrian

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if you want to go sub/sin you possibly go venthyr

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and if you don't want to play sub you go necro

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and play outlaw/sin

pastel roost
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That's fair, thanks

strange python
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Anyone avail to do some quick log review? Parsing pretty bad and wanna know how much is my 220/213 weapons (and lack of phial) or if I'm fucking up

pastel roost
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Oh also, do rogues have an easier time to find M+ group , or is it still no man's land because of the melee/distance thing ?

limber lion
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I can always take a look, but I'm not home currently. I'll be home in like 3+ hours @strange python

limber lion
strange python
limber lion
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Cirrently it's pretty bad.

limber lion
strange python
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<3

drifting cloud
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hello uwutangclan

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fotm rerolling again?

strange python
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Fotm?

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I was a rogue main for 11 years. And I was right about how bad rogues would be in 9.0. Now that rogues got buffed, I'm back

drifting cloud
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head on to kyrian sub and enjoy your ride

strange python
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What

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Are you trying to start shit because I was right that guilds would cut rogue spots and because I didn't update my spec tag?

slow tulip
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i dont wanna be in those guilds 😄

drifting cloud
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no youre just an idiot but kyrian sub is still good

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I dont care what your name color is

strange python
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So you're trying to start shit for no reason?

slow tulip
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im assa main since tbc and my color is still sub :/

limber lion
slow tulip
strange python
hollow escarp
slow tulip
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man, we have 2 rogues and we have CE :/

strange python
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Was it post hotfix?

slow tulip
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those are some elitist guilds right there 😄

hollow escarp
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27th week CE, still counts EZ

slender berry
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i betcha there are CE guilds with 3 because CE doesnt really mean shit

strange python
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I mean sure. But you'd have had an easier time with 3 DKs instead.

slow tulip
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i mean i enjoy the class and i wanna play the game 😄 fuck those "not optimal spec" guild restrictions

hollow escarp
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pre 9.0.5 yes

strange python
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Many guild leaders would rather take the path of least resistance. Can't blame em for that

slender berry
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trust me most of the CE guilds worry about people pressing their buttons and not inting

drifting cloud
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migel dont bother

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hes a special one

strange python
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Bro you've already flung three personal insults and I've said nothing to you

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Move on with your night

slow tulip
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😄

strange python
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I really don't feel like tagging a mod

drifting cloud
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its 10am

slow tulip
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this is getting spicier with no reason bois 😄

mental tulip
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My guild also has 2 rogues with CE 👀

vestal wren
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rogue might become fotm in 9.1

hollow escarp
slow tulip
strange python
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Seems likely tbh. Especially with the meta specs eating nerfs and no one really getting big buffs

limpid plinth
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If we pump hard on hc week then we prolly get nerfed too

hollow escarp
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I think we will get nerfed if we pump hard in pvp peepoSip

slow tulip
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thank god they play mostly SUB in pvp

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so they dont touch the other specs

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:^)

strange python
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Sin been rising in pvp a bit.

onyx bluff
vestal wren
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flavor of the month

hollow escarp
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well, considering the length of wow patches, flavor of the year

vestal wren
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haha

slow tulip
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of the expansion most likely

limpid plinth
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😂

vestal wren
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basically the "trending" spec

slow tulip
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i doubt there will be 9.2 EVER

vestal wren
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9.2 is likely

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9.3 not so much

slow tulip
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9.2 - summer 2022

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😄

strange python
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Shadowlands increasingly looking like a 3 patch expansion

misty holly
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I like how that necrolord sim has Shadowdust as worse than no lego.

strange python
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I doubt blizzard will be in a rush to say goodbye to Sylvanas tbh. Especially with unique daggers and bows on it (though hunter bow is lolbad)

misty holly
hollow escarp
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did wod have a 6.3?

misty holly
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No, and look how that turned out.

hollow escarp
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SL is on track for that as well

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great expansion but with awful patch cycle

drifting cloud
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in wod they werent doing patch names like they do now, if you care about arbitrary numbers

hollow escarp
drifting cloud
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thats why everyone points out the selfie cam patch but if that came now it would just be .0.5 instead

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but yeah either way its hard to imagine 2 more raids after sanctum

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maybe some bs mini raid in like 4months

hollow escarp
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considering Ion said no mini raid

drifting cloud
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ok wasnt aware

hollow escarp
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I think in the last interview

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not sure if it was the Sloot interview with the other guy

drifting cloud
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if you just think about it logically this patch is lasting into 2022 for sure, next one is probably early 2022, like feb-march

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theres no way youd get another 10month tier after that one

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it would mean t he xpac would be over 2.5 years long

hollow escarp
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next raid something to do with the Jailer in Azeroth

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so we get assaults back poggers

slow tulip
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can't wait to farm azerite again 😮

misty holly
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Knowing wow lore these days, I bet we beat the Jailer in 9.2, and he says he's sorry the other eternals were being mean and he was just lashing out.

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then the horde elect him as next warchief

hollow escarp
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horde won't have a new warchief

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they have a council now

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so cross faction raiding next expac

strange python
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Gnome dream

nimble tartan
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tfw u finally slot yourself in on slg after a month put on zoldyk and ct and get a good parse pog it was that easy

drifting cloud
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just midmax things

nimble tartan
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truly…

empty hinge
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So eh when smoke bomb coming back

#

Any guesses

balmy condor
#

Maybe 9.2 maybe never

empty hinge
vestal wren
#

devs currently just tuning rogue high

#

so that there is a reason to bring it

limpid plinth
#

I take high tuning over smokebomb everyday 🤌

vestal wren
#

why not both

teal bloom
#

Then we get nerfed monkaW

limpid plinth
#

But too much good = nerf

teal bloom
#

Wow deathspike sucks according to those sims

vestal wren
#

it does

#

and its okay

limber lion
tulip nacelle
#

@limber lion

vestal wren
#

both assassination and outlaw have strong aoe legendary items

#

so for deathspike to be good it would need to be ahead of those

tulip nacelle
#

are you feeling ok? you look a little green Cev kekw

vestal wren
#

and if its that good its probably to strong

gentle summit
#

Is the master assassin lego beinf nerfed?

sinful cradle
#

For pvp yes

gentle summit
#

Thx

nimble tartan
vital tapir
#

@limber lion CF ! poggersgasp

#

gz my dude whispyrheart

limber lion
limber lion
nimble tartan
#

i know its gonna be nice for my parse monkascheme

limber lion
#

Are you blasting CD's on Baron?

nimble tartan
#

yessirr

limber lion
#

Love to see it

deft obsidian
#

@limber lion gz dude on CF, super well deserved 🙂

#

SLG Cloak/Dreadfire in vault, wep wru 😦

wise gull
#

assa m+ is actually pretty fun

limber lion
#

Oh yeah, today is reset day.

#

Last chance to get a 233 weapon

vestal wren
#

good luck

wise gull
#

im having a plater issue though

#

it doesn't matter what setting i change, non-targets are always transparent

ancient kraken
#

might be in your wow folder

#

i had the same issue on an alt

shrewd night
ruby birch
ancient kraken
teal bloom
#

@limber lion can you link your plater profile?

limber lion
wise gull
solid mica
#

Does our poison bleeds count as magic for DH buff?

limber lion
#

Nature damage is considered magic damage, so yes, we would benefit from the DH buff.

#

We're very hybrid, so we pretty much want both monk and dh in our comps

copper sundial
#

cev is green grats

oak sky
#

i just unlocked heirmir took me a whole 2 days

#

27 renown, 31 here we come

limber lion
#

Good stuff, now you're almost ready to start pumping 💪

oak sky
#

yeah i parsed 94 on inerva heroic one of my renown runs and i was wondering how i wouldve done with heirmir and the full heirmir soulbind

pallid hollow
#

Mate I was running normal yesterday with bone smith with one potency xD

Felt good even though only 60/70 parses

oak sky
#

haha

#

i had marileth still i dont think i had the finesse yet

pallid hollow
#

Like what’s the difference in dps? 3/4/500?

oak sky
#

i think the gemstones is pretty big

limber lion
#

It's hard to say, but gemstones is pretty nutty

pallid hollow
#

Bone smith trait 1 is zero dps in raid lol

limber lion
#

It changes our SBS rotation as well

oak sky
#

yeah i was just dumping them in shiv or vendetta

#

but ik i need to do it in gemstone because i am a pin reader

final star
#

@limber lion Green name MegaMonkas

limber lion
#

Yeh, Shiv is fine for now if you don't have it yet.

limber lion
final star
oak sky
#

lol

#

i love that theres an actual emote

limber lion
#

There's actually several

final star
#

There is a lot

limber lion
#

It's such a common question outside of RH as well LUL

oak sky
#

im not in any other class discords so idk

dim shoal
#

Someone elses Sylv dagger not working on PTR?

vestal wren
#

feelycraft best emote

limber lion
#

It works, kinda

#

It's very janky currently

vestal wren
limber lion
#

^ Yep

dim shoal
#

hm, but there is no one around

limber lion
#

Thought they would have learned from Exploit Weakness

oak sky
#

you think theyre keeping that only 1 person gets procs?

limber lion
#

Buuut I guess not

dim shoal
#

maybe different zone or sth

limber lion
vestal wren
#

they learned^^

#

but also not

limber lion
#

Truuue

muted jewel
#

do you have guys have a favorite weakaura suite for middle screen shenanigans?

#

having difficulty finding something that's small enough

limber lion
#

I just use Afenar's pack that I have modified to fit my needs

muted jewel
#

and most of them have split up upkeep abilities like snd/rupture/garr

limber lion
#

!wa

prisma monolithBOT
limber lion
#

I use a plater profile for aoe

oak sky
#

i just kinda let plater carry me

muted jewel
#

how so?

oak sky
#

only problem is i have to look around for cds, might change that soon

muted jewel
#

i mean that works for debuffs but not cooldowns/upkeep snd?

oak sky
#

i just watch my dots with plater and put buffs on my healthbar

#

my only problem is cds

#

work in progress

#

its too much visual clutter for me personally to have a whole wa thing but i should probably do something more

#

idk

muted jewel
#

yeah i'm working on making my UI as easy as possible not to suck with

#

i used to know how to play rogue, now I need a lot of help

#

i'm old and i'm shit, so i can atleast build something that makes things easier

oak sky
#

i definitely need a shiv wa so i never forget to slam it prayge

limber lion
#

Atrocity has a really good, simple, minimalistic UI but it costs 5 buckerinos

muted jewel
#

i really like the Devlin weakaura, i don't like all the spacing the popular suites often makes

terse talon
limber lion
#

If you don't want to create a UI from the ground up

#

I would highly recommend Atrocity

dim shoal
limber lion
#

I would use it if I hadn't created my UI 2 years ago

#

If I was making one now, I'd just yoink Atro's

#

He updates it frequently as well

muted jewel
#

i'm sticking with standard-ish unitframes because of BigDebuffs for pvp

#

they are wonky with Elvui

limber lion
#

You can use them with Plater

#

Works fine

torn atlas
#

I'm constantly refreshing and reducing my ui.

muted jewel
#

Player?

#

like just the player unitframe?

forest delta
#

wdym craft it on cloak, when doomblade can only be crafted on gloves and shoulders?

unknown.png
limber lion
#

I make a bunch of typos on the phone

#

I'm not zoomer enough

dim shoal
terse talon
south hollow
#

in his discord

muted jewel
#

oh yeah on nameplates it's fine but the debuffs are misaligned on party frames with elvui

south hollow
#

you have to be a sub/patreon

dim shoal
#

Twitch atrocity

muted jewel
#

so it shows like poly on a guy that doesn't have it

forest delta
muted jewel
#

but if you use standard party frames it's fine

south hollow
dim shoal
south hollow
#

some legendaries will have one more slot you can craft them on because of

#

main pieces like chest shoulders etc

#

having sockets

#

so you don t lose sockets over a leggo

#

quality of life change

muted jewel
#

that helped immensely, thanks for the help

oak sky
#

looks nice

muted jewel
#

maybe i should just drop the big health WA on the bottom but i find it pretty practical during encounters when i can just glimpse my HP instead of moving my eyes

oak sky
#

probably whatever makes things easy on you is the best

muted jewel
#

yeah

#

you guys have any tips or anything that made your life a lot easier, ui-wise?

limber lion
#

Not cluttering your screen with unnecessary things.

#

It just takes your attention off the important stuff.

#

Like damage numbers are pretty useless tbh, especially if you use Details already

vestal wren
limber lion
muted jewel
#

i have it faded out during combat so i dont look at it

#

but it's useful for on the spot research of my mistakes

limber lion
#

Details is useful if you're using it to track other stuff as well, like interupts, dispells, healthstone usage etc.

#

A much more convenient and on-demand way to track those things, instead of having to log and look at it after.

teal bloom
#

@limber lion Is it intentional that crimson tempest doesn't glow in the pandemic range in your plater profile?

limber lion
#

Yes

#

There are situations where you want it to drop, like in ST during Shiv

#

And I figured that CT lighting up on 6 targets at once is kind of not necessary

compact pumice
#

Do you use CT before a shiv window where you would normally just pool on max CP if you were using PB?

teal bloom
#

ah true

compact pumice
#

Also, congratulations on the green role @limber lion

limber lion
#

It's one of the reasons some people don't like CT in ST

#

Because it pretty much deletes pooling altogether

compact pumice
#

Ah okay, I just hate not going into shiv "prepared"

limber lion
compact pumice
#

Yeah that makes me like it less

limber lion
#

Yep for sure

muted jewel
#

can you use the thistle tea you can buy from the shady vendor in org in raids?

compact pumice
#

It shares CD with Agi pots though, and they are better

uneven summit
#

On topic: any major changes to rogue, assa still gonna be da bomb i pressume, meta in 9.1?
Off topic: when will cutting edge no longer be available?

tulip nacelle
#

you can use it but it's bad

muted jewel
#

aight, fair enough

tulip nacelle
#

ce will go away when new raid releases

#

so a week after patch

muted jewel
#

i think i saw a post that said it goes away on the 28th

#

and not one week in

limber lion
uneven summit
drifting cloud
#

its the 7th

tulip nacelle
#

it's when raid releases

limber lion
#

Yep.

#

You've been able to use the borrowed power introduced in the new patch to blast CE on the old one.

#

Like using Essences in BoD.

shrewd night
empty hinge
silver fog
#

SBS dot cant crit?

empty hinge
#

Legion assa m+

#

Legion sub

pale heart
silver fog
limber lion
#

I think we need another set of 20% aura buffs

shrewd night
#

I swear rogues cry more than enhance shamans

limber lion
#

Definitely do

#

I think we're pretty fucking great currently

#

All 3 specs

#

They all have their own thing. Sub for mega st, Outlaw for m+ and Sin for cleave/raid. prayge

raven vapor
#

we're in a good spot we just need a reason to be brought when other classes are providing utility

limber lion
#

We're most likely the best melee spec

fallen arch
limber lion
#

So I think that's already a pretty good reason.

limber lion
fallen arch
#

Your name is all green now @limber lion

limber lion
#

Oh look at that

sonic spire
#

How is our zold execute compared to venth arms/ warrior execute in general

fallen arch
teal bloom
#

At first I thought Cev's name was in outlaw colour because of my colourblindness and was about to lose all happiness in my life pepehands

empty hinge
#

Isn’t dk execute the best currently with soul reaper or w/e it’s called

shrewd night
compact pumice
sonic spire
#

Shit idk… I don’t pay attention to other classes much so I was wondering if anyone had comparison

empty hinge
#

Oh ye forgot about them

potent raft
#

i know this has probably been asked a shitton, but it's not in the pins -
What happens to doomblade when if you want it - you have to give up either on a set bonus or a dps shard?

muted jewel
#

move doomblade to cloak

#

no such choice

shrewd night
#

Thats uh

#

In the pins

potent raft
muted jewel
#

9.1

shrewd night
#

So if you read the pins

#

Itll be answered

limber lion
potent raft
#

way too down in the pins . my bad

muted jewel
#

happens mate we all make mistakes

shrewd night
teal bloom
#

Survival hunter

potent raft
#

survival PepeHoodie

empty hinge
#

Feral druid

balmy nebula
#

do you know what happens if we try to use season 2 socket on helm which already have domination socket? i mean can we use 2 socketed helm or we gonna waste 1 socket?

limber lion
#

I don't think we have that information yet.

#

But I'd imagine that you can get a normal socket alongside a domination one

#

but don't quote me on that stop

shrewd night
#

I mean, if they managed to separate meta gems and regular gems 13 years ago, I only assume they are smart enough to separate domination gems and regular gems

muted jewel
ocean zodiac
#

how big is the new dagger looking, anyone have some numbers? I know its very overtuned but im curious how much dps it is giving

limber lion
#

It will see nerfs.

#

Currently the damage and the proc chance stack from having multiple weapons

#

Some people were testing it out and it was doing like 25% of their overall damage

winged basin
#

That mfer was doing 27% of whispyrs damage last night lmao

#

Was ridiculous

ocean zodiac
#

Hahahah 25% is interesting

shrewd night
#

On sub*

crude stirrup
#

@shrewd nighthow do i find these pins

winged basin
#

Yeah on sub at that

ocean zodiac
#

Thank god im the only main rogue on my guild I can have all that dagger dmg to me

hazy geyser
#

that is nice except when it never drops

muted jewel
#

does it drop on mythic only?

limber lion
limber lion
muted jewel
#

sweet

crude stirrup
#

Im in same boat, want to make doomblade but which slot

ocean zodiac
muted jewel
#

i'm the only rogue in my scuffed heroic raid pug

#

so it will never drop

limber lion
#

Gotta wait for 9.1

winged basin
#

I have a rogue buddy :))

shrewd night
crude stirrup
hazy geyser
crude stirrup
#

ive come from Shaman so pretty out of the know with rogue, getting it prepared

shrewd night
#

Look at this judas

crude stirrup
empty hinge
#

Time to farm normal for daggers

ocean zodiac
limber lion
#

Another WFT gone sadge

empty hinge
#

I’m so happy

hazy geyser
winged basin
#

I wonder how long blizzard will punish me by not giving phial

#

I’ve ran 26 pfs on the rogue and nothing outta vaults

spice spire
ocean zodiac
winged basin
limber lion
teal bloom
#

@limber lion are there rounding options in plater, I can't find them 😦 My weakauras round garrote/rupture time remaining etc up

limber lion
fallen arch
#

Uh

ornate lake
#

Oelala gz cev

teal bloom
#

@limber lion Like my weakaura shows 8 secs remaining for garrote but plater 7

unknown.png
hazy geyser
#

plater is probably more correct than the WA. check the debuff on the unit frames to be sure

limber lion
grim hornet
#

i think one timer floor is 0 and the other is 1

gloomy fern
#

i think plater got 7.0-7.9 as 7 and wa as 8

hollow escarp
#

yeah, I noticed my EP is always 3 sec as well

#

depends on how you set it up I think

teal bloom
#

yeah I changed my wa setting to always round to floor and they are the same now. I would prefer plater to round to ceil too though

exotic plume
#

should we craft doomblade on cloak before 9.1 comes out or we wait?

small island
#

in the pinned message about legendary/covenant comparison, there is Heimir with Fractures/Lethal/Gemstone, but u cant cant get both sudden fracture and lethal poison with gemstone? am i dumb?

hazy geyser
#

you cant even if you tried @exotic plume

tulip nacelle
tulip nacelle
exotic plume
#

oh yeah mb.. that fomo 😄

small island
#

ah okey, didnt know we were getting more rows

neon cloak
#

Man its more chill n here than DH discord 🌝

shrewd night
#

Doesnt say much, dh discord is bottom of the barrel

primal turret
#

If im kyrian 40 renow right now does it worth to swap to necro now or should i wait to see the balance? Im kinda lost xd

drifting cloud
#

if youre gonna play assa you shouldnt be kyrian

#

its literally worst or 2nd worst in all types of content

limber lion
#

Yeah, only reason you'd want to stay as Kyrian is if you don't care about optimization at all and just want to be with the owlboys for aesthetic/lore reasons.

primal turret
#

I dont care about asthetic

limber lion
#

Then you shouldn't be Kyrian to begin with

#

You should immediately swap to Necro/Venth

primal turret
#

When i was playing kyrian was the best

#

been a few months out

drifting cloud
#

for assa it was never the best 😛

primal turret
#

I was venth at the begining of the expansion

#

so if i swap back i have to do a few extra quest dont i?

limber lion
#

Kyrian was the best for like 2 weeks because they got a double potency earlier

lean thorn
limber lion
#

But before they got it and after we hit 30 renown, it fell down to be the worst again.

vestal wren
#

#subtlety is good with kyrian (join the dark side)

lean thorn
#

You need tons of renown and also you'll have to finish the covenant campaign

limber lion
#

(It's 1 quest per week)

#

But if you swap to Necro, it's instant.

gusty mirage
#

It’s super simple, you can just run halls twice and do 1 WQ

#

That’ll give you the 100%

primal turret
#

okey but im concerned about the catch up

limber lion
#

Getting your renown to 31+ takes 1-2 days.

#

It's not too bad

gusty mirage
#

It’s super quick now, and it’ll get easier in 9.1 as well

limber lion
#

In 9.1 it'll be even more forgiving.

primal turret
#

Its super bad if im not renow 40 the first day of 9,1¿?

slow tulip
#

whats the fastest way to get 1-40 renown bois ?

primal turret
#

i barely have 2 hors/day for raiding with the phd

shrewd night
gusty mirage
#

Nah you’ll naturally get it running mythic 0s for gear 🙂

shrewd night
limber lion
limber lion
drifting cloud
#

you chain run plaguefall at start

slow tulip
#

thx a lot, mate, sounds great 😛

tropic ocean
#

do halls of attonement

#

skip to end boss

#

repeat

gusty mirage
#

You get % per boss though

limber lion
#

I got around 23 renown from just the raids.

kindred shuttle
primal turret
#

Its super bad if im not renow 40 the first day of 9,1¿?

limber lion
#

Because it's close to 100% in the beginning

#

You don't want to do lfr for renown when you're like 35

copper sundial
#

you're fine at renown 35

gusty mirage
#

Can just do it on normal and roflstomp it

limber lion
rocky pecan
#

you guys go for vent or necro ?

limber lion
#

We're timegated anyways in 9.1

#

Getting 2-3 renown a week

copper sundial
#

i have both at 40

primal turret
#

Okey thank you

limber lion
copper sundial
#

will switch as needed

limber lion
#

Venth is great if you wanna play Sub as well.

rocky pecan
#

you assa / outlaw ceve ?

#

i suppose

limber lion
#

Just sin.

rocky pecan
#

oh really ?

harsh anchor
#

True chad rogue

rocky pecan
#

just sin is necro best oh ok i see

#

for multi target boss ?

gusty mirage
limber lion
#

I enjoy sbs much more than flag

gusty mirage
tulip nacelle
#

go kyrian Smilers

limber lion
#

I honestly never even use Fleshcraft so I don't mind either way

drifting cloud
#

just dont use door of shadows

limber lion
#

But sbs is bae

drifting cloud
#

problem solved

#

I think Ive only used it on like slg

gusty mirage
drifting cloud
#

oh and maybe dancing on council

rocky pecan
#

yy i understand thanks

gusty mirage
#

I use fleshcraft a LOT

grim hornet
#

i wanna play what hit harder in raid and still be able to perform well on m+. That's why im necro rn as it is close to best in sin ST and best in OL m+... But with recent sub sims with kyrian im mindblowing rn xD

#

need OL kyrian sims so bad

gusty mirage
#

Guy posted some in the pins I’m pretty sure

limber lion
#

Guy has done some covenant sims already

#

Yeh, he has some.

#

Kyrian looks decent.

gusty mirage
#

^

grim hornet
#

but those sims doesn't include greenskins, nor bron changes, isnt it?

sacred isle
#

Even better now with bron change, but thats napkin stuff atm

gusty mirage
#

Nah just guile/celerity

tulip nacelle
#

the bron buff might just tip the scales

#

but we'll see

frosty bridge
#

Woooo Cev is green

#

What is this timeline

grim hornet
#

time to train my patience

gusty mirage
sacred isle
elfin valley
#

Just curious for denathrius prog should I be running blindside over ep? (Necro if it matters)

spice spire
gusty mirage
spice spire
#

EP/Vigor/Ct for p1/2 padding

spice spire
drifting cloud
#

did you miss the word prog

frosty bridge
spice spire
#

If he said p3 prog that’s different

elfin valley
#

Ty

spice spire
# elfin valley Ty

EP Vigor absolutely is the play, CT/PB is dependent on what the group needs

gusty mirage
#

I’d argue that CT is probably still more value because of all the movement. But our brand new greenie can confirm that better than I can

spice spire
#

The loss of ST on PB is pretty negligible and yeah movement and CT are a good combo

drifting cloud
#

I like the doubling down on recommending the worse prog build

spice spire
#

????

drifting cloud
#

ep/vigor is a parse build on sire whats not clear here

spice spire
#

More damage = worse? thinkingintensifies

limber lion
#

Progression is usually p3 focused.

gusty mirage
#

EP/Vigor is fine though. For necro profiles it sims super close to BS/DS peeposhrug

trail locust
#

@limber lion

still agate
#

hey rogue friends! what spec are u guys playing in 9.1? i looked through the pins but couldnt rly find anything, or im an idiot who knows

#

in raids

drifting cloud
#

sims sure but BS is almost double as good as EP in p3

gusty mirage
drifting cloud
#

and if youre necro because of the sbs bug not sure if that also makes deeper better for p3, maybe even p2

limber lion
verbal mantle
limber lion
#

Assassination is likely to be the top contender for raiding.

left plaza
#

Assa in the most of the fights.

gusty mirage
still agate
#

man u guys rly are balanced arent u

#

all specs balanced, all covs balanced? what is this

grim hornet
limber lion
#

It's a rare treat, wasn't like that in 9.0

spice spire
#

Not all, but definitely close kermit_pepe

gusty mirage
limber lion
long furnace
#

its without the new trinkets daggers and gems so ......

limber lion
#

If you're multispecing Assa/Sub, you should play Venthyr.

sacred isle
#

Oh how the mighty nf have fallen 🙂

drifting cloud
#

cev do you play deeper on sire?

limber lion
outer lotus
#

Everything meh, so everything is balanced Sadge

trail locust
#

how deep cev?

drifting cloud
#

Im surprised so many of the top logs run it, but I guess the difference is probably close to 0

grim hornet
drifting cloud
#

so few*

limber lion
#

I'm not the biggest fan of Deeper

compact pumice
gusty mirage
still agate
#

so basically: play whatever spec u like, but sin is probably best for raiding by a bit? and covenants are all close, but necro probably overall best for sin/outlaw

drifting cloud
#

I mean its not like im a fan of it, it just seems really good on sire 😛

still agate
#

yeah?

grim hornet
#

u got it right

still agate
#

awesome, tyty

limber lion
faint harness
vital tapir
grim hornet
#

outlaw beast in m+ tho

limber lion
#

Yep.

#

Sin/Sub for raids.

#

Outlaw/Sub for m+.

outer lotus
gusty mirage
#

Sub is super close to assassination from what I’ve seen and has a good chance of being better

spice spire
#

Balanced as all things should be prayge

gusty mirage
vital tapir
compact pumice
#

Any boss fight in 9.1 Outlaw might be best for?

faint harness
spice spire
limber lion
#

@still agate We're still waiting for 9.1 sims. Things can change a bit when we can sim dom sockets and the new Sylvanas dagger.

tulip nacelle
undone pasture
#

where do i report a cf with an agenda?

outer lotus
outer lotus
faint harness
outer lotus
#

Still

still agate
drifting cloud
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@outer lotus theres this guy that eats kiwis without peeling them, be careful if you meet him

spice spire
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Not the kiwi sweat

outer lotus
vital tapir
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makes it easier on you I guess

gusty mirage
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🥝

vital tapir
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🥝

teal bloom
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🥝

sacred isle
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Starting to think this is off topic 😱

gusty mirage
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Vaughn’s final form is the Kiwi CF

outer lotus
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Thats what the green in my name means

still agate
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is this fineish?

gusty mirage
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Looks good

sacred isle
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Kyrian for sub

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Also

gusty mirage
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Also the sylvie daggers are scuffed rn

limber lion
gusty mirage
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Only one rogue can get the debuff with them

still agate
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oh, will update that

limber lion
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Kyrian is only good on Sub though, decent on Outlaw.

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So it doesn't allow for easy multi-speccing, if you want to play Sin as well.

gusty mirage
limber lion
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Funny how we go from

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"Playing anything but Kyrian"

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to "Kyrian is bis"

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"Play anything but Night Fae"

frail fossil
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kyrian was always good for outlaw

gusty mirage
spice spire
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Isn’t it
Necrolord: sin/outlaw
Kyrian: sub/outlaw
Venthyr: sin/sub

?

limber lion
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Yes.

spice spire
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Unlucky

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Oxi beat me to it pepehands

dire spoke
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whispyr spreading lies

burnt star
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Rofl.. just read the pins..

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Hope they fix when 2 rogue has sylv dagger

ancient kraken
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ofc they will

long furnace
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in 9.1.5

gusty mirage
still agate
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better?