assassination

[coral ibex]

bolb

[balmy condor]

bolb

[coral ibex]

first thing i saw after this ovi wipe

[slate crown]

rude

[coral ibex]

someone's name was spelled wrong in the note for 25 pulls

[slate crown]

don't look at peoples bolb

[coral ibex]

can i hold it if i cover my eyes

[drowsy hatch]

You can look at my bolb

[slate crown]

!wa Depending on what you want, these packs will have basic trackers for KB. LE Collection has a couple more specialized ones that are standalone

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[vagrant brook]

#showtooltip Deathmark
/use Skardyn's Grace
/use Tempered Potion
/use [Racial]
/cast Deathmark

[coral ibex]

also /use 13

oh

thats skardyn

13 is just first trinket slot

👍🏻

[vagrant brook]

yeah but idk what slot he uses it on

[spice spire]

There’s only one right answer

(13)

[grizzled geyser]

!tricks

[prisma monolith]

Smart tricks WA on tank, this require the following macro:

/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 1
/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 0

[normal mist]

@spice spire Found your perfect tmog

#transmog message

[grizzled geyser]

is there a way to make this also work for shadowstep, so i have a dynamic macro that always shadowsteps my pug tank

can anyone cook that for me

[spice spire]

Absolutely not

[cyan karma]

That’s actually sounds really cool

[coral ibex]

almost definitely if you are a weakaura wizard

[spice spire]

I’m a classy tmogger

[normal mist]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/love-is-in-the-air-rewards-datamined-in-patch-11-0-7-new-transmog-and-mounts-349543

[grizzled geyser]

(I know but cant do it myself)

[vagrant brook]

14 for on-use

[spice spire]

If you have two on use 13 goes first in sims

I don’t make the rules

[slate crown]

I don't want to support making such a change and maintaining it but I will say that I don't see a reason this can't work

It's creating a button frame and assigning it a spell and target when out of combat

right now that spell is tricks

you can change the spell Id used there for shadowstep

[vagrant brook]

[@party1] should be the tank but not sure, so
/cast [@party1] Shadowstep

[warm comet]

Sup guys, Im thinking in making the switch from Main WW to Rogue, Im thinking on going Assassin, thinking its going to be like a brawler? More survivability, good defensives and good sustained dmg

[grizzled geyser]

isnt as easy as that I think, tanks are visually sorted to top position when using elvui yea, but they arent always party1

also the other macro also works in raids etc

[slate crown]

Like if you want to just yolo it

[earnest remnant]

@balmy condor u raidin tonight?

[slate crown]

go to Actions, copy the onInit field into some editor notepad++ or w/e, then find the spell Id for tricks

and replace it everywhere with shadowstep

[balmy condor]

no, is halloween

[slate crown]

then paste it back into the field

[vagrant brook]

maybe a @targettarget since the tank should be the target of all the mobs

[winged widget]

now make a key-shaped dagger

[grizzled geyser]

aight ill take a loot later and see if that works, ty

in a key atm

[earnest remnant]

fcking muricans

[slate crown]

Oh you'd need to change the frameName too so it wouldn't work without some extra stuff

[gaunt pendant]

is it bad to run 2 crafted weps with emelishments

[slate crown]

You'd have to change those to something else, SmartShadowstep would be fine

Otherwise using both would overwrite one another

Ok I shouldn't say anymore I've said enough to be harmful

[coral ibex]

spellid find and replace is my favorite way to hamfist weakauras

[slate crown]

yeah like I said it's a yolo approach

sometimes it works if you only have like 30 seconds to fix something

[cyan karma]

What’s a general use case scenario in mythic+ for tricks of the trade? You just run in, split with the tank and help with big pulls?

[coral ibex]

press on pull if you don’t trust your tank

[cyan karma]

Sorry if that’s noobish, I’ve only had it in my build for the first time ever this week

[vagrant brook]

just use it on cd or if there's a big pull ahead

[cyan karma]

So pop it, then go put bleeds on a bunch of stuff, shadow step back to main target and cleave…?

[stray adder]

!tricks

[gaunt pendant]

do i want to put embelishments on both my wepons or is that not worth it

[prisma monolith]

Smart tricks WA on tank, this require the following macro:

/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 1
/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 0

[slate crown]

No

[stray adder]

that makes it easy

if you set up that WA + macro

[slate crown]

It's fine to use 2 weapons wit hembels

[stray adder]

it's a joke in keys

[vagrant brook]

it kinda makes the mobs see your damage as coming from the tank

[cyan karma]

Yeah I’ve done that

[vagrant brook]

think about it like that, just use it and do dmg

[cyan karma]

Just wanna get a good grasp on how I should use it

[stray adder]

on CD before every pack

sometimes it wont be up so be careful not to get b slapped

[cyan karma]

Cool cool cool, thanks guys

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[torpid lion]

would

[coral ibex]

[spice spire]

[haughty lantern]

do we have a WA to show us what RtB buffs we have active?

[lucid silo]

sir this is #assassination

[haughty lantern]

MAN im dumb

sorry guys

[coral ibex]

should i pre-cloak the first webs on ovinax?

[torpid lion]

i always use my first cloak on first egg pop

if i get the debuff ofc

[haughty lantern]

ok but this emote is actually omega cute

[spice spire]

just like u king

[haughty lantern]

[woeful meteor]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/124169701881282560/1087859992838799381/loggingontoOT.gif

[waxen oyster]

Just dwarf the debuff off

[woeful meteor]

on mythic ir heroic?

[coral ibex]

mythic

[woeful meteor]

just vanish it

[west crown]

Yes cloak it

Not much else you need to specifically cloak

[woeful meteor]

why cloak when you could vanish

[west crown]

Vanish is for dps

[empty hinge]

Any good talents for lower for more aoe burst etc

[west crown]

Why lose dps

[woeful meteor]

on a boss without imp gar

[west crown]

Still vanishing for ma??

[left jay]

Uhm, sooo.. do we need to pool our energy before using our big cds, since we can't really control thistle tea anymore?

[woeful meteor]

if vanish is a dps cd for you on mythic ovinax you lost on Talent screen

[coral ibex]

vanish is a dps cd

lol

[west crown]

xD

[woeful meteor]

there is no MA on ovinax

[coral ibex]

what talents are you taking where it isnt

[west crown]

There is ma in every thing

[woeful meteor]

the 12 people with imp gar trolling

[coral ibex]

tell me

[balmy condor]

we don't use imp gar on ovi'nax mate

[west crown]

MA is bis and I refuse to believe otherwise

[vagrant brook]

chads go WAT and IW for maximum worm interrupts

[coral ibex]

damn i asked and you confirmed this tree for me whisp

fugma

ill swap

[strange python]

ty!

[balmy condor]

we talked about m+ trees didn't we

not ovi'nax

[coral ibex]

i think i posted that spec tree and asked is this the ovinax tree

its all good im not actually bent

[balmy condor]

you might not be

but I am

I'm perma bent

full shrimpin it

[vagrant brook]

does it bend to the left or to the right

[woeful meteor]

I doubt it matters dps check is gone anyway

[balmy condor]

buddy it bends down

[vagrant brook]

down

[balmy condor]

I'm out here handling a rake

[woeful meteor]

if you want to play imp gar do it, but less thinking good imo

[balmy condor]

call me the broom the way I be sweepin yo bitch off her feet

[west crown]

I doubt it’s much of a dps difference between bonespike and ma

[balmy condor]

probably not but having vanish for webs is pretty banger

[coral ibex]

i will be vanishing anything i can

thanks for the advice

i wanna make prog as smooth as possible

[balmy condor]

also lowkey I prefer forced induction

played it on reclear tuesday

was a fat dub

[novel star]

i think i would like forced induction too if i COULD RAIIIIIIID

eliminate all holidays

[desert vault]

for early prog on brood is there a recommend build for help with some aoe?

[novel star]

wowhead.com

[balmy condor]

same as the typical build

[balmy condor]

forced induction lays pipe

[novel star]

[balmy condor]

fucks hard with the lights on

[desert vault]

ok, that is what i was using, but was just thinking if there was something to bring a little aoe, but will just roll with the wowhead stuff

[novel star]

is that 10cp dn

or u playing

fatebound

still

[balmy condor]

10cp dn

[novel star]

cum

[balmy condor]

you can tell cause the rup and fok are purple

[grand trail]

any cooks for council?

[novel star]

i see

[balmy condor]

but yeh fatebound in aoe is bad

[novel star]

loving 24% spatter btw

awesome talent

[balmy condor]

I am addfucker in my guild

[novel star]

but yeah

[drowsy hatch]

Im an add

[novel star]

[balmy condor]

[novel star]

im an ad

#hellofreshpartner

[vagrant brook]

ngl doing double the boss damage of your raid in ovinax

feels good

[novel star]

does it

[vagrant brook]

no cause we havent killed it

but still

[novel star]

i would kill myself

irl

if i was DOUBLING

2nd place boss damage

[drowsy hatch]

Good to see your entire raid is in m+ spec

[balmy condor]

irl in game?

[hushed elbow]

are we forced induction pilled now?

[balmy condor]

lowkey though

singular focus

is pretty good lmao

this is just boss dam

[vagrant brook]

my guild is close to not being my guild anymore but yea

[hushed elbow]

we drop lethality for it?

about to go into sik so

[vagrant brook]

we got 1 bdk and he just realized he could spec into 1.5min gorefind's grasp

[balmy condor]

wowhead builds are updated

[drowsy hatch]

We're pretty induction pilled

[balmy condor]

pog

wait

I just realized we didn't have a fucking demon hunter this week

this is a hate crime

[drowsy hatch]

Probably targeted

Against you

[balmy condor]

also @novel star if you think my 24% spatter is crazy

this is rank 1 atm

[stray adder]

jesus

29

[balmy condor]

I mean when this is your parasite damage

makes sense

2 ret paladins and a demon hunter

and they're both afk

no frost either

kinda doomed

[covert jewel]

log run

kekw

[balmy condor]

yeh

impossible to compete when you're fighting against guilds full afk on parasites

[winged widget]

spent the entire fighting thinking in my head that I had MA for Ovinax and was using Vanish on the rotation.
Still top1 dmg to boss on it though.
Spec so good that even when playing wrong, it's busted.

[balmy condor]

I went from MA on rash to no MA on ovi'nax and my brain auto vanished on the first pull

[spice surge]

Envenom doing more than eviscerates

[novel star]

[balmy condor]

trade offer:
you give me rupture
I give you envenom

[earnest remnant]

deal

[balmy condor]

[spice surge]

🤝

[balmy condor]

I'll let blizzard know to swap the abilities

[vale lantern]

any gcd count were trying to get in subterfuge or just vibing with it like normal just with an extra vanish? @balmy condor

[winged widget]

so Rupture is now our ST spam spender? Or we mutilate gamers now?

[vagrant brook]

rupture now stacks like ironfur

[balmy condor]

Same rotation

[spice surge]

Sectech though, this guy fucks too

[slate crown]

https://tenor.com/view/bonk-gif-13392138837084579216

[vale lantern]

easy money thank you

[slate crown]

NO GO AWAY

[winged widget]

so we Ignite gamers? huge

[coral ibex]

there's a broodtwister boss damage details script

[vagrant brook]

this calls for exsanguinate to come back

[coral ibex]

[balmy condor]

If you took a poll of #subtlety right now how many of the non old heads have any idea who akaari is

[spice surge]

Its the guy stealing my damage on logs on queen

[slate crown]

it's the ghost that fucks up logs

yeah

[dawn heath]

eh

[spice surge]

Because if the person logging is on the other platform it just cant register it properly

[balmy condor]

What

[waxen thunder]

For m kyveza, if I get selected for an asasassination line am I abl;e to pre cloak so I dont get orbs?

[dawn heath]

is ther some weird scaling going on with headless horseman did someone notice weird dps? xD

[balmy condor]

Emote fail

[slate crown]

[balmy condor]

You just cloak before the line hits and it’s fine yeah

[dawn heath]

why did my envenom crit 17mil

[fleet pagoda]

different scaling for horsey man

[balmy condor]

Cause it’s old ass holiday content

Who cares

[vagrant brook]

yes different scaling

[dawn heath]

oh i thought that was just for low levels

[slate crown]

Whispyr doesn't care about the holidays smh

[balmy condor]

I don’t

[ashen totem]

not even a real holiday

[vagrant brook]

the tmog is sick tho

[dawn heath]

damn with this tuning we almost burst as much as enhancement

[vagrant brook]

my enh alt did 10m on horseman last week

at 622

[dawn heath]

blasting

[waxen thunder]

Would you recommend that or during intermission for cloak usage though overall?

[balmy condor]

I personally cloak the charge cause I’m next to tanks in intermission and can’t fuck people over with my line, plenty of people will tell you to cloak intermission to avoid fucking people over with your line

Honestly it’s whatever works

[waxen thunder]

I have no patience for standing out so line it is

[balmy condor]

Just make sure you’re evasioning the end of the intermission

You can 2x feint intermissions and have a charge back for the ending lines

So that feint + evasion makes you giga tanky

[waxen thunder]

Perf, appreciate the guidance

[balmy condor]

I had a double line at the end and wasn’t even a problem

I’m pretty confident if you’re topped and rallying cry is up you can just eat a pizza slice if you don’t have a line

I tried it for science a couple times and it was pretty close

[vagrant brook]

a stam gem would've saved you smh

[balmy condor]

Took me from like 75->8 and then killed me

[waxen thunder]

Yeah feint and evasion magic DR is really nice

[balmy condor]

Real

[lapis stream]

What are the best talents to use on the queen?

[balmy condor]

Oh well with that you can probably eat it for sure, I play fatebound so idk

[novel star]

regular ass raid talents with spatter

[coral ibex]

my guild needs to figure out how to kill parasites

[novel star]

so when theres adds

[coral ibex]

im getting to giga parse but they're also just not dying

[novel star]

you press the aoe buttons

and when theres not adds

you press the st buttons

[coral ibex]

[sacred bloom]

what is the macro that combines shiv and thisle tea can someone send it, cus its so annyoing this automatic tea use

[balmy condor]

Are they getting grouped

[novel star]

[balmy condor]

95% of parasite damage is just having good CC

[coral ibex]

mostly i think

[balmy condor]

If they aren’t stacked it’s doomed

[coral ibex]

i dont think they're being cc'd long enough

[novel star]

but real answer is what whispyrs saying yea

you need grips and good stops

or fight is just bricked

[coral ibex]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/dh4Nz63wTvBMjy2a#boss=2919&difficulty=5&wipes=1&type=damage-taken&hostility=1&source=232

[balmy condor]

Like we missed a stun on an add set and it took us like legit 8 seconds longer than normal

[vagrant brook]

how is the macro going to prevent auto tea?

[sacred bloom]

if you remove the tea from hotbar? and macro it with shiv wont it only use it with shiv

[vagrant brook]

i would love that

but no

[severe sparrow]

no it auto smashes that shit

[sacred bloom]

wh ythe fuck did they add that

auto shit

do they like

[coral ibex]

i think to make you mad, specifically

[sacred bloom]

listen to the community

[coral ibex]

for this very moment

[sacred bloom]

like I generally feel like they draw like updates out of a hat and slap it on a character

[coral ibex]

auto tea moment

[sacred bloom]

auto tea is so shit when im tryna dodge 6 swirlys

[novel star]

who cares abt auto tea

[vagrant brook]

they're slowly trying to shift assa in a different direction i think

but they cant just rework the whole spec suddenly

[novel star]

wtf do swirlies have to do with it

[sacred bloom]

when im panicking and i smash buttons

and then tea isnt u pfor my rotation

and then im drained

empty balls

[novel star]

well you can also just not care

because its not affecting your dps as much as you think it is

but

you can ALSO also just not panic

and not mash buttons

[sacred bloom]

PANIC

[coral ibex]

it really only comes up in m+ single target

[novel star]

but

[coral ibex]

in most other situations you have so much energy

[novel star]

even with the panicking and mashing for no reason

auto tea just

doesnt have any relevance to ur dps

so

[severe sparrow]

the feelycraft thoooo

[sacred bloom]

is anyone thinkin of swtiching spec

[novel star]

no

[sacred bloom]

I played sub rouge last expansion but I am loving ass rouge

[coral ibex]

no

this spec owns

[sacred bloom]

nice

Yea I love it

makes me wanna bust

[novel star]

im thinking of playing the spec i have fun playing

[slate crown]

just play both

there's a button where you can swap

for free

[sacred bloom]

I dont have the mental capacity

[slate crown]

current sub is fun

[sacred bloom]

for another spec

[slate crown]

current sin is fun

[coral ibex]

but sub is complicated and hard

[sacred bloom]

so is ass?

[slate crown]

It's honestly not anymore really

[novel star]

i tried getting used to sub

[gritty laurel]

oh are we back on the tea conversation?

[coral ibex]

nah assa is turbo boomer

[novel star]

but dornogal lag made it unplayable on the dummies

[slate crown]

it changed

[novel star]

and i dont care enough to go to another city

[slate crown]

with patch

[novel star]

so im not learning sub

[coral ibex]

ive been pressing mutilate and envenom since 2009

[novel star]

[coral ibex]

every time i come back to wow i pick up assa and wouldnt you know it, we're pressing envenom and applying poisons and bleeds

[novel star]

ive been pressing mutilate and envenom since 2020 !

https://tenor.com/view/wrathion-battle-for-azeroth-world-of-warcraft-prince-wrathion-nzoth-gif-24405681

[primal yoke]

with the new TTK talent, is the goal to maintain both stacks or is that not always possible and as long as you just at least keep the envenom buff up that is ok?

[coral ibex]

check the pins, you should be maintaining as many stacks as possible with as high uptime as possible

sometimes this means only 1 stack

[tropic rover]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[grizzled geyser]

This works btw :)
https://wago.io/upbsH0mVc

/click SmartShadowstep LeftButton 1
/click SmartShadowstep LeftButton 0

[slate crown]

nice glad it works

[grizzled geyser]

ty ❤️

Oh, oh well
it does work, but now the tricks bind actually also uses shadowstep D: even tho I changed the smartmisdirect to smartshadowstep

[oak tangle]

can confirm sub is fun

[slate crown]

make sure you didn't overwrite your macro, and you should also reload your UI cause you're fucking with frames

[oak tangle]

it's just sad that it holds no stick for aoe

they basically added spatter / blade flurry to sub, but it doesnt comepte

[grizzled geyser]

ok it just needed to /reload yea, ty :D

[vagrant brook]

has anyone experienced a bug with BigWigs where
you close the bigwigs window but an invisible frame is still kinda there cause if you hover your mouse on the screen the tooltips for the bigwigs menu show up and you can't click through it?

[gaunt elk]

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

[ivory flower]

Just to say i still don't like auto tea

[warm imp]

same here

[stray adder]

my favorite thing about halloween is closing all the blinds in my house so kids wont come knocking

[hazy scroll]

you open blinds and have kids over all the other days?

[novel star]

[stray adder]

seek help

[hazy scroll]

https://tenor.com/view/law-and-order-gif-8344283

[slate scarab]

I thought player made gear came with a socket. I just had my ruby wrists made and it's no socket. Geez, now I need to use 6 coins from the vault. ugh

Rune Branded that is

[strange python]

hey so my friend is telling me that raidbots doesnt know how to sim gems correctly and that i should be choosing a different gem color for each slot, is this true? ignore sims and go for different colors?

anyone know?

[slate crown]

Neck and ring come with socket

not other gear

[slate crown]

Raidbots does, in fact, know how to do this correctly. You there's a checkbox to force different colors in the settings.

Also it's a very minor difference to go for it or not

[delicate imp]

Does anything have the spread sheet for PI values for classes?

[balmy condor]

Bloodmallet

[vagrant brook]

tldr you're not getting it bucko

[delicate imp]

sorry i wasnt asking for it. was asking for it to give to my officers in guild

Bucko

[dawn heath]

Im having inconsistency issues when playing this spec

[delicate imp]

I always get told to not look at blood mallet but ill look at this instance

[balmy condor]

What

Why

[dawn heath]

Are we rng heavy or am i just inconsistent

My pulls vary in dps by over 200k

From pull to pull

[vagrant brook]

what boss

[dawn heath]

All bossed

[cunning sphinx]

Just got gas lit about not giving a pug sacbrood bcus its "shit for rogue"

[delicate imp]

always gt told they arent correct or something. But i just got the google doc from someone

[dawn heath]

Sikran this week i did like 250k more than i have ever done before

Then i did less dps on rashanan than sikran which makes no sense

[balmy condor]

So a webpage made a theorycrafter designed to answer precisely these questions is bad, but some random Google doc by a nobody is good

Makes sense yeah

Cool

[oak tangle]

i mean if you dont know any better, bloodmallet is essentially a google doc from some random

but so is the wowhead guide

and discord pins

[ebon notch]

whispyr can u make a wow doc telling me my pp big

[cunning sphinx]

obligatory skardyns check

[ebon notch]

did i type wow doc i meant google doc

[strange python]

ah ty, ill double check the boxes

[delicate imp]

Im just going off what others have told me. Im just chilling and trying to find the right answers. I find it hard to determine whats right and whats wrong because theres so many opinions out there on correct sources. Its not meant to spark anger or anything.

[vagrant brook]

250k is a lot to be due to rng
very likely a rotation issue
sikran might have been a faster kill?
rashanan dps can be close to sikran if you don't pad on the adds

[dawn heath]

It was like

A minute faster than previous tries

Kills

[naive spindle]

Anyone know if I can set the sim to run ovinax trink raw dog (not using the on use)? Wanna see how big the diff is between min maxing it and letting it ride

[oak tangle]

did you miss out on a dm kb execute?

[dawn heath]

I feel like im doing the same thing every time but i have vastly different results

My openers sometimes is 3mil other times barely break 2

Not sure havent looked at it intensely as im just pugging once a week but just an observation

[oak tangle]

i think its nothing to think about, if you are pugging, your groups will be so wildly different

[balmy condor]

Yeah it’s nothing against you, it’s just we have resources for these things to prevent the spread of misinformation by random spreadsheets so it’s just frustrating to see

[dawn heath]

I had my first pull on rashanan

[vagrant brook]

if a fight is 4.5 minutes you will pump cause you got 3 DM windows, but if it is 6 min long you will do less dps cause you still got those 3 DM windows but fell off for 1.5 min afterwards and weren't able to get a 4th DM

[dawn heath]

A d we oneshot the boss

I sent my kb dm when he flew off

[vagrant brook]

also this ^

[dawn heath]

I would have made a bunch of changes if i got to play the boss again

Was abit unfortunate

[vagrant brook]

[ebon tundra]

the other way around isnt it? or am i being special

[fleet pagoda]

oh man you're gonna be happy to find out what you can do on tuesday

[dawn heath]

Whats happening

[fleet pagoda]

or is that wednesday for eu?

[dawn heath]

Ye

[fleet pagoda]

pop off then

[oak tangle]

6 minutes is right when you dm is coming back off cd, so you dont get the damage from it, but you also waited it's CD timer

[dawn heath]

I kinda like Wiping a few times on a boss so u can get your timings right

Atleast the first time u play it

[oak tangle]

https://lorrgs.io/

[ebon tundra]

yeah you right I was just being special, ive been awake for 50ish hours. brain is slow

[dawn heath]

Im aware of this website its nice but you need to play the fight to get a feel for it

U could be nerdy and plug your cds in a note but cba im not progging

[oak tangle]

whilst true, we are like 2 months into the raid

[dawn heath]

I also have no idea how to game my envenoms with ttk

I probably spam envenom too fast

Got a bit of a button bash habbit

[oak tangle]

if you're worried post some logs and w can give some tips

[dawn heath]

But ye

Like on sikran i did 200k more out of the blue

[vagrant brook]

yeah look at fight times

[oak tangle]

you're gaining 2-3 ilvl each time you touch it

what do you mean

[vagrant brook]

also you might have had less blades

[oak tangle]

you expecting to do the same dps with more ilvl?

[vagrant brook]

yeah wtf ahah

[dawn heath]

Well i only gained like idk 10k dim since last week

Sim

[oak tangle]

you cut an entire minute of the kill time

[dawn heath]

Y last week i had the first blades and it happend 4 times total

[oak tangle]

4:42 literally ends right after a kb dm

[dawn heath]

My burst was cut short

[vagrant brook]

me last week getting blades twice after popping DM

[dawn heath]

Just stand on boss

Dont leave the hitbox

But ye i had some pumper heroic logs this week too iirc

I just dont know how to play some Bosses

Look at this jump lol

Just randomly doing 400k more

[oak tangle]

1 minute off the kill timer agian

how are you mythic raiding but not understand this

[dawn heath]

1min kill timer is not that much

[oak tangle]

bro

wot

[dawn heath]

I am super inconsistent somehow

[vagrant brook]

bro

2:50 is two DM windows

3:44 you're falling off for 1.5min

doing piss dmg

[short acorn]

ok guys, i'm cooked af at assassination rogue, where do i go to get better, just wowhead rotation guide?

[vagrant brook]

might have pad on some adds too

its not that inconsistent

just many small things adding up in the end

[dawn heath]

I think its my new neck man

Mythic sikran neck

[vagrant brook]

like i might have the same ilvl but instead of a dogshit 626 ring i have a 626 queen's ring

[dawn heath]

I was gaming 1k Haste before i got it

[vagrant brook]

that's like 1%+ dps

[dawn heath]

It was

22k dps gain

Pretty solid

In sims

[slim hamlet]

How do you see what dmg is boss dmg and what dmg is environmental dmg in logs again?

[oak tangle]

source?

[vagrant brook]

below the menu with summary, dmg done, etc
All Enemies -> select the boss or wtv you want to check

[spice spire]

What rang said

[warm imp]

Random question. For mythics is deathstalker or fatebound better? or is it a prefrence kinda thing?

[blazing pumice]

at low level it's preference, fb not really viable for high keys

bait and switch is too strong

[spice spire]

Deathstalker

[pure moth]

timer is everything. fight dies right after cds end.. is ideal for us. Means our damage doesnt have time to drop between cds.

[warm imp]

thats what i thought but i would check in

[blazing pumice]

unless there is a massive rework, i don't see fb ever being viable for sin in m+

[novel star]

Also just like

prio

but yeh

fb defensive is shit

mega shit

[dawn heath]

I think kill time is important but its also abit of cope for people to have a excuse for doing subpar damage when they are playing flawed

[oak tangle]

i think you are wrong on this, 1 minute difference is actually so much

[dawn heath]

Its not gonna increase your dps by 40% to have a good kill time

[dawn heath]

Unless its like a 1min kill

[vagrant brook]

do you think if the fight ended at 2:00 my dps would have been the same?

[dawn heath]

No

But its not that big

If you cut off the timer

[oak tangle]

select up to 2 mins and show us the dps difference

[dawn heath]

Before you busted you probably climbed 100k or less

[oak tangle]

~120k

[vagrant brook]

130k dps

[dawn heath]

Ye exactly

My point

[oak tangle]

how is that your point

[dawn heath]

Its not gamebreaking

[oak tangle]

that is literally the variance in your logs

[dawn heath]

You also went from the worst to the best kill time possible

[oak tangle]

so did you

[dawn heath]

Abs the swing is sub 10%

[slim hamlet]

How do I see what is counted as environmental and what is counted as boss dmg with that?

Checked Terros because I remember him being the one people talked about having lots of environmental, and found that "environmental" tag, but surely it wasn't just a single hit through the fight

[oak tangle]

bloodbound horror does a bunch

[slim hamlet]

I remember using "ability.type=1" in filter expression, was that for showing environmental?

[oak tangle]

i looked up your logs, on your sikran, you died the week before, and then the week after you had a dm kb execute

that explains 170k

[dawn heath]

Maybe

[oak tangle]

no, not maybe

it does

[craggy shard]

craft 636 weapon first or upgrade heroic track regicide to 626

[oak tangle]

i would craft

[blazing pumice]

craft your weap, recraft it with an embellishing powder and then you can upgrade it for free 🙂

[tropic rover]

Trolling this channel too...

[dawn heath]

Havoc is dead bro

[tropic rover]

Always has been

[dawn heath]

Rip bozo

I remember s1 df and s3 those were the good days

[ebon notch]

havoc pumps

who said its dead

[dawn heath]

Sure bro

[ebon notch]

glad you agree

[tropic rover]

Havoc stinky

[dawn heath]

It blasts irrelevant adds on irrelevant Bosses u mean but 5 other specs does it better

[tropic rover]

Two horrible hero trees

[dawn heath]

And does no single target

[ebon notch]

it does do good single target

what are you smoking

[dawn heath]

It does? I wasnt aware

[oak tangle]

the more im interacting with this guy, the more im thinking he just disagrees for the sake of it

[dawn heath]

Look at any st fight havoc is bottom 3 spec

Its like aug level bad in st

[tropic rover]

That's not true lol

[blazing pumice]

last week aljan was telling everyone that the season was dead because elemental shamans were going to take over

[vagrant brook]

my only experience with havoc is the guy from my guild but he parses 99-100

[ebon notch]

yeah so do i

[blazing pumice]

strange takes

[ebon notch]

havocs single target is completely fine

[sudden trench]

Good thing this is not the DH discord ey @dawn heath

[oak tangle]

you know my favourite part about people analysing how well classes do

[ebon notch]

dead middle of the pack

[oak tangle]

that they never consider the buffs that class brings to raid

[tropic rover]

Yeah havoc is fine performance wise

[dawn heath]

Its bottom 3 on sikran

[ebon notch]

what the fuck even is this

[dawn heath]

On 99

[tropic rover]

It's just then you have to play dh

[ebon notch]

i just showed you sikran

[vagrant brook]

on sikran and kyveza it's low but overall is not dead + juicy magic dmg

[ebon notch]

look at my screenshot

[oak tangle]

DH damage doesnt count towards DH, imagine if all the bonus magic damage done did count to havoc

[tropic rover]

Real

[ebon notch]

nvm my screenshot was all bosses

[dawn heath]

Check this patch you dummy not 2 weeks we are not playing in the past

[ebon notch]

i apologise

[tropic rover]

There was a WA in shadowlands that did that

[ebon notch]

its on 11.0.5 w2+

says it at the top there

[dawn heath]

Ye its awful at all st figts

Under aug

[oak tangle]

shadow priest, doesn't include its PI target

warrior doesn't include battle shout

[ebon notch]

the reason why the average is skewed is because there's like 2 single target fights in the raid

meaning that players arent focusing on boss damage

[dawn heath]

Just look at specific bosses

[ebon notch]

because there are adds that need to die

[dawn heath]

I 99logd on mythic sikran i was beat by a 88 logging ret on dmg

On my dh

Says enough

[ebon notch]

what was the kill time

[oak tangle]

how much damage were your mages doing

[ebon notch]

you also realise that parses for this week are also dogshit cause the sample size is tiny

[thorn thorn]

An Emisssary from The Fel Hammer has arrived

[dawn heath]

No not scrapps

[ebon notch]

5:18???

[eager barn]

You are the goat havoc doomer. So good it came to rogue discord

[ebon notch]

is that a bug

[dawn heath]

I didnt bring this up

[ebon notch]

did you kill it in 5 minutes 18

[dawn heath]

No thats true

[ebon notch]

our last kill was 3:50 with a buyer lmao

[tropic rover]

Nope

[dawn heath]

Bro im pugging

[ebon notch]

what

[tropic rover]

An emissary no longer

[rotund oak]

u can both go back to that wretched place,we arent rly holding anyone in this sacred place

[dawn heath]

99 logs with pugs

[tropic rover]

How tf do I change the icon next to my name

[dawn heath]

The havoc goat

[ebon notch]

aljan

could you explain this?

[tropic rover]

Lmfao

[stray adder]

id:customize

[vagrant brook]

[tropic rover]

Tyty

[dawn heath]

Pi does nothing for havoc

They griefed me

[ebon notch]

bro

what

[dawn heath]

Dude it gives us the same dps as it gives tanks

[rotund oak]

bruh why would we care for DHs in any way

[stray adder]

@rotund oak I'm at 40 gb

[eager barn]

Crazy crossover event ngl

[drifting cloud]

kinda rude to call zac a buyer

[dawn heath]

I did not ask for pi

[spice spire]

Damn

[dawn heath]

I just got it

[rotund oak]

ive taken a stop for a while coz working but with some napkin math im around 27 now

[stray adder]

im not running 1 more

until vault

[rotund oak]

its ok i dont think its gonna drop

[vagrant brook]

40 gb was when i got my skardyn's

you can do it

[stray adder]

bruh

my brain is fried

[vagrant brook]

next run it drops

not guaranteed to drop for you

but it will drop

[tropic rover]

10 more

[ebon notch]

its legit 30k dps

thats not nothing

[tropic rover]

I got mine at like 51-52 on my feral

[vagrant brook]

btw loot spec outlaw before opening the chest

[stray adder]

next GB I go straight into depression afterward

[ebon notch]

YOU GOT FIVE PI'S

WHAT

my sim has 2

[floral ore]

5 pis and coudlnt beat a ret

[rotund oak]

[tropic rover]

Inshallah you will have it

[stray adder]

is casualaddict competing in mdi

[ebon notch]

no

[heavy night]

guys, sorry im new to sin, i cant understand how many cp's fan of knives generates, sometimes i get 3 sometimes 5 sometimes 6 i dont get it

[ebon notch]

if fok crits you get more combo points

welcome to RNG

[rotund oak]

hi there,its all in the crit,if u crit it generates more,if u dont it doesnt

[heavy night]

so lets say i fan on 5 targets, I get 1 baseline + 1 per crit?

[spice spire]

Outside of ctw procs

Yes

Which like

That’s a whole other thing

Baseline yes 1+1 per crit

[rotund oak]

there is also the clear the wtinesses proc after u apply deathstalker mark.Your FoK deals more dmg and generates 1 more cp but thats for deathstalker in ur opener or when u proc the mark from darkest night

but in general its all in the crit

should read the guide it will help

[oak tangle]

ngl i didnt even know that was how fok worked

never needed to know, but didnt know regadless

[young bison]

Should i always attack the target that has the caustic splatter debuff

[rotund oak]

yes

[slate crown]

Yes

[young bison]

And after popping all my bleeds from stealth

the next round off applying do i need to press nameplate and spread rupture thatway?

./noob rogue

[slate crown]

You can tab target, or you can click on nameplates and apply, or you can use mouseover macro/casting. Point is you need to get ruptures spread and maintained

[rotund oak]

if u wanna reapply all ur bleeds in an ''aoe fashion'' u have to vanish to proc indiscriminate carnage which enables u to use garrote/rupture in such a way.The other way is to just kill the pack,restealth and proc indiscriminate carnage from restealthing,does the same thing

[oak tangle]

https://tenor.com/view/spinning-plates-gif-13275991

good rogue ^

[rotund oak]

otherwise in a big pack density u fok=>tab target=>rupture

[weary spear]

bruh just had to come on here and say idk how you guys are playing subterfuge in keys it feels like a big dps loss lol

[floral ore]

!tricks

[prisma monolith]

Smart tricks WA on tank, this require the following macro:

/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 1
/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 0

[static glacier]

who's the funniest tricks target in m+

has to be enh shamans right?

[oak tangle]

who's using tricks

[brazen sonnet]

I just press buttons

[west crown]

Utility stonks

[old obsidian]

new skills boys

[wicked ice]

So whats the best way to kill the adds on Ara first boss?

[west crown]

Throw crimson tempest and pray your tms are good

[static glacier]

for us? if you hold vanish you can gar / rup them. normally you just ct / FoK to slow

[balmy condor]

That’s just single target build

[pallid bough]

[keen spruce]

i must have missed this line

[tawny pagoda]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

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[keen spruce]

thatwould explain

my tragically low CT uptime

[cerulean walrus]

[wispy marsh]

Morning

Kinda

Just did a patch sim and it's saying radiant power is higher than Depths for me. Anyone else? Seems weird.

[slate crown]

If the robot says it

[wispy marsh]

prayge be to the robot

[balmy condor]

They’re close

[ionic fox]

The robot lies about ovinax egg trinket

[balmy condor]

It doesn’t actually

[wispy marsh]

Makes sense, thank you

[balmy condor]

The robot got changed to specifically not lie about the egg trinket

[ionic fox]

even when balanced it is doing so much less damage

[balmy condor]

Well it doesn’t do damage, so

[drowsy snow]

I could’ve sworn this said 3 the last time I read it but maybe I actually can’t read.

[ionic fox]

pull to pull on kyve'za and spyglass is so much more damage

[balmy condor]

That’s great

I don’t think you can really tell the difference pull to pull considering the trinkets aren’t really that far apart

And the spec naturally has like 15% rng

That’s kinda why we sim things to begin with

But whatever makes you happy man

[spiral escarp]

Heya, is there anything happening with elusiveness next patch?
The datamined patch notes include a crossed text that strikes the elusiveness out of faint’s damage reduction.

[slate crown]

Wait until patch note blue posts, don't worry about the datamined bit yet

[spiral escarp]

Yeah, hopefully it won’t get nerfed or even worse removed completely . So OP 😅

[frigid niche]

Advice Needed for vault : mythic track tier shoulder VS heroic ritual knife (Yes, I simmed)

1. Mythic Tier Shoulder :

• Gives me twice as more DPS boost in Dslice compared heroic ritual knife.
• However, it is rather easily obtainable in the future (via catalyst using any mythic track shoulder, including Nurubar BoE).

2. Heroic Ritual Knife :

• Less competitive than option 1 DPS wise
• However, this is best passive trinket in heroic track and is only obtainable via vault RNG
• will not get replaced until I get my hand on mythic track spyglass or empowring crystal which are also vault RNG
• Will be relieved from weekly delve * 8 duty for remainder of season 1 for fucks sake

[oak tangle]

Cross-faction groups can now queue for dungeons OH LOOOOOOOOORDS

TW levelling is back on the mneu

[balmy condor]

But according to the forums the datamined changes to crimson tempest are a 40% nerf!

[wispy marsh]

If I could I would heart this a million times

I have so many horde friends

[slate crown]

the what now?

the whassit?

[balmy condor]

Sounds like you already decided for the knife

[marble hemlock]

You mean 400% right?

[balmy condor]

They fixed the tooltip on crimson tempest going into 11.0.5

[marble hemlock]

Spec dead

[slate crown]

Great change ( if you have friends )

[balmy condor]

And the forums exploded in a rage

About how crimson tempest got a 40% nerf

Because they’re brainlets

[slate crown]

[wispy marsh]

Let them think the class is dead

Trying to avoid nerfs

[balmy condor]

And some people were like “IM ON PTR TESTING IT AND MY CRIMSON TEMPEST IS DOING NO DAMAGE AT ALL WHY WOULD THEY DO THIS”
(They didn’t change anything about crimson tempest)

[cinder bone]

Yeah I get into pugs no problem as sin

[marble hemlock]

Well I will say this, blizzard could do better at explaining which blue post changes are just tooltip fixes.

[balmy condor]

Well blizzard didn’t put a blue post about it because it wasn’t even a fucking change to the spell it was a bug fix to correct the tooltip and it got datamined by mmochamp/wowhead and people ran with it

Cause again, theyre idiots

[marble hemlock]

Yeah, the news outlets also could do better at not causing panic sometimes, that is true

[cinder bone]

Tbf those idiots become decent players sometimes eventually (me)

[frigid niche]

True. but I need guys like you to push my back because I don't trust myself

[wispy marsh]

Using your Afernar WA and it's so much better than the base. Thanks for all the hard work. I contribute my nice parses partially to you

[cinder bone]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

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[slate crown]

I once didn't trust myself. Then you realize you just have to take the leap.

[oak tangle]

maybe i've had shit vaults, maybe i trust myself, maybe i just dont care enough any more, but i have not simmed a GV this patch

[wispy marsh]

Living life on the edge

[frigid niche]

Thanks man I have made some terrible decisions in my life in the past
Going for heoric ritual knife

[solid chasm]

when do i press shiv

[wispy marsh]

1 or 2 charges?

[oak tangle]

where do you be to want to press shiv?

[rotund oak]

with 1 stack sub8 seconds on kingsbane

with 2 charges 1 before pressing kb and one on last 6 seconds of it

[wispy marsh]

this

[odd notch]

How must haste are we looking for st?

[rotund oak]

no breakpoints

[wispy marsh]

[oak tangle]

don't forget with 1 stack, you can also cast it 30s before kb

[solid chasm]

i was just kidding guys im sorry

[slate crown]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
• Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[solid chasm]

i dont even play wow

[wispy marsh]

got 'em

[rotund oak]

[slate crown]

Same

[solid chasm]

im retired

former #1 sub(missive and breedable) rogue NA

[rotund oak]

[novel star]

when do i cast rapture

[oak tangle]

2012

[wispy marsh]

Never

bait ability, spam CT

[rotund oak]

when the world ends

[novel star]

good no?

[solid chasm]

rapture after prayer

[novel star]

does more damage for each dot

[solid chasm]

for best effect

[novel star]

surely spam rapture

[jovial idol]

When rapture spam shields

[zinc frost]

After garrot 1 and garrot 2

[cursive adder]

floating pants

[solid chasm]

after i fok fok?

[rotund oak]

enough discord for today

[red stirrup]

I feel confused

[zinc frost]

Just be thankful you got to be in the same timeline as Musclebrah

[runic hinge]

Are you talking. In spec channels

[balmy condor]

pass some of them my way I need the help

[quasi ingot]

does it matter to have the higher ilvl dagger in MH or not?

[balmy condor]

A ton

Yes

[quasi ingot]

oh lol

ok then ty

[balmy condor]

All your skill damage is calculated based on your main hand dps

So

[wispy marsh]

I see a bunch of rogues running subterfuge now in M+, any reason why if not running MA? Not sure if I missed a change or something

[balmy condor]

Having a lower ilvl mainhand is nerfing everything

[balmy condor]

Iron wire/carnage/imp gar

[quasi ingot]

i just upgraded my crafted dagger to 636 and wasnt sure but had a sim running also for it to see. figured id ask lol

ty for the help. my sim went from 1.798M - 1.841M just by switching daggers

[old obsidian]

I tried the new build in M+ and it's awesome for adds, the damage is awesome

[quasi ingot]

which build? like 300 of them

[bright violet]

New build?

[quasi ingot]

im seeing alot of rogues get rid of IW. not sure why.

[old obsidian]

thx Whispyr (:

[bright violet]

I am new to Rogue and i am loving it

[quasi ingot]

getting rid of IW and SD and picking up MA/TTK

[novel star]

they are stupid

[bright violet]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/zdKcCyLmqQZr4PaN#fight=last If one of you Helpful Angels would take time out of your lifes and review my logs and give me a few pointers my iLvL is 616 with 4 set bonus

[oblique comet]

Good Morning fellows. I have a rotation question about Double Vanish in the Hybrid build. Is it just about vanishing in the Kingsbande Window or is it just a o shit button if Deathstalkers mark expires?

[quasi ingot]

thats just me browsing some of the top 50 rogues on murlok

[subtle tundra]

yep

they are stupid

i played no vigor bleed build, should you do it too?

im a top 50 rogue

[dawn iris]

I have seen specs with 1 point in supercharger and also echoing reprimand, mine doesnt allow me to do this? anyone know whats happening there?

[quasi ingot]

bro im just saying i seen it and was just curious about it.

[subtle tundra]

you saw a build from last patch

[left magnet]

Uff, damn. I took a break 3 weeks ago and returned now, and I see assa has been kinda of reworked. I read some guides, but didnt quite understand, has anything in our playstyle changed ?

[dawn iris]

so is anyone running ER now?

[subtle tundra]

not really

[dawn iris]

thanks

[subtle tundra]

nothing changed

[left magnet]

what spec are u running for m+? I see icy veins and wowhead having 2 different ones :C

[vocal cypress]

this new ring to come in 0.7 looking possibly big for sin mastery buff with 2 extra points of nature damage

keen for more info to come

[subtle tundra]

any

[left magnet]

is double vanish the thing now ?

[subtle tundra]

yes

[left magnet]

Icy veins runs cold blood

[subtle tundra]

if you like it

yea i doubt

[left magnet]

Also iv has sanguin b lades, while wowhead runs master assasin

[subtle tundra]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[left magnet]

I saw the links bro. Thats exactly what my questions were angled at

[subtle tundra]

wheres the cold blood in iv

[left magnet]

for m+ I see cold blood

[subtle tundra]

show me

more

[left magnet]

https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-easy-mode?area=area_2

[subtle tundra]

"easy mode"

-> not the best

thats for fatebound

whom nobody plays

esp in keys

thats alright

[rain wraith]

Zerocool was right all along was he

[left magnet]

https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-mythic-plus-tips

[subtle tundra]

nope

[left magnet]

also for DS

they run cold blood

https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-mythic-plus-tips

[subtle tundra]

double vanish was not a thing when it was 7% dps loss

[left magnet]

So now, double vanish is the way to go ?

[subtle tundra]

it wasnt updated for the subterfuge discoveries after the patch

[left magnet]

Do you use it on CD? ( more or less )

[subtle tundra]

you can play old build or new build

new build should perform better

[rain wraith]

there is like 20 builds u can play now

[left magnet]

I dont like CB tbh

[subtle tundra]

Buddy

what cb

you dont play cb

[rain wraith]

all equally playable

[subtle tundra]

only fatebound plays cb

and you dont play fatebound

[left magnet]

Alright. Would bef fine to use the Wowhead build?

[subtle tundra]

yes

[left magnet]

So, no more echoing reprimand i see.

[upper spear]

every time i open iceyveins i am reminded what shit iceyveins looks

Wowhead > Icey

[left magnet]

got it

So the difference in playstyle would be that no more echoing reprimand, no more empowered CP

[novel star]

well

echoing reprimand isnt gameplay anymore

the gameplay difference is having subterfuge

[rich ledge]

Does someone have a link to the build with subterfuge?

[novel star]

wowhead.com!

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[left magnet]

Would that mean that you spam ambush while Subtf is up ?

[novel star]

no

ambush is shit

[upper spear]

the opposite

[novel star]

nothing has changed ambush being shit

you just get longer to use iron wire if you want

[upper spear]

you also run master assassin

so + crit

[novel star]

yeh

[upper spear]

its good for chain pulls

or in high keys, big pack that live

[novel star]

was just talking

gameplay stuff

[upper spear]

and on bosses, its good for DM

[rain wraith]

why is vanish prefered by the 2x vanish haters now again

did i miss something

why isnt it bad anymore

[left magnet]

so we got some QoL buffs more or less. Longer iron wire, and no need to press slice and dice any more. Would that sum up the changes ?

[novel star]

because subterfuge is good and lethality is nerfed

[rain wraith]

im not doing more damage than i usually do with it

[novel star]

we are taking subterfuge which was the big wall stopping double vanish before

and the most recent non double vanish build

was 1/2 lethality + subt

[upper spear]

echo rep is different, master assassin buffed by subterfuge

[novel star]

but lethality got bugfixed

to not double dip on kb anymore

[rain wraith]

when did they fix it

[novel star]

idk like a week ago

[subtle tundra]

cause double vanish is 1 lethality point

[novel star]

[subtle tundra]

so you might aswell get it

[rain wraith]

2x vanish was always superior in keys

[novel star]

no it wasnt

[rain wraith]

it was

[novel star]

it was extremely fucking bad actually

[rain wraith]

it wasnt

[subtle tundra]

when

[novel star]

yes it was

[rain wraith]

no it wasnt

[subtle tundra]

before the patch?

[rain wraith]

since s4

[subtle tundra]

youre fucking dumb

please leave

youre emberassing yourself

[lunar lotus]

holy

[rain wraith]

hahahahah

[novel star]

you are trolling or genuinely like concerningly stupid so im going to guess trolling

[alpine pagoda]

https://tenor.com/view/orange-cat-laughing-gif-13031147940704744720

[left magnet]

can you guys sum up what changed in our playstyle or correct me if im wrong. WIth current build, no more echoing reprimand, no more empowered CP to manage.

[novel star]

no echoing reprimand is not build related

echoing reprimand is just removed from the game as of 11.0.5

but yes

[left magnet]

yeah thats what I mean.

[rain wraith]

i would rather take a slight dps loss wich u can negate anyways with some good RNG on crits to be able to silence 2 packs of casters after eachoter in m+