It literally does close to double dmg for me on gnarloot
#assassination
spark scaffold
cursive solstice
My*
spark scaffold
And quite a bit more on smolderon
oak tangle
do you double dip your chips
balmy condor
It literally does close to double dmg for me on gnarloot
Yeh that’s not a mastery double dip that’s double dipping the target damage modifier
Definitely bugged
Think that one’s on the fix list soon
fallen forge
in my own dip?
nah u gotta double dip in someone else's dip
oak tangle
how big a chip do you need before it can be no longer considered double dipping
spark scaffold
Ok so im not crazy and this is a thing
lethal widget
nah u gotta double dip in someone else's dip
Is your dip if you do it right
slate crown
how big a chip do you need before it can be no longer considered double dipping
It's a social construct thing.
drifting cloud
its definetly a thing, look at its dmg on last boss in everbloom if you wanna see funny numbers
balmy condor
Ok so im not crazy and this is a thing
Technically yeh just different reason
tame agate
ive never hated anything in life as much as i hate not having acrobatic strikes anymore
celest helm
spark scaffold
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/KVF6pDY9J2mg7yQL#fight=134&type=damage-done&source=2492
Look at the last deathmark
balmy condor
ive never hated anything in life as much as i hate not having acrobatic strikes ...
You need to meet more people then idk
slate crown
I mean I'll admit it's definitely annoying in some keys
cursive solstice
Oh I didn’t see that ty
chrome mirage
First run 
violet sonnet
hopefully i figure this spec out
oak tangle
need amnesia pill for seasons 1 and 2 and you'll feel fine about no acro
slate crown
but like, it's not making want to drop tea for it
spark scaffold
I'm on phone, apologies for not sending with timestamp
violet sonnet
rn i feel like i completely forgot how to play rogue
spark scaffold
But if it does double dip with target damage modifiers, is it a safe assumption that it is not intended to?
balmy condor
Definitely bugged
^
silk bane
kb tick on fyrak go brrrr not even a damage amp :c
silk bane
dont think so
spark scaffold
No, just an absorb shield
silk bane
yeah, no amp
spark scaffold
Dmg amp bosses are gnarloot and tindral
silk bane
smolderon???
spice surge
Smoldern
spark scaffold
Thats not a target modifier though
spice spire
smolderon???
Smolderon deez nuts buddy
slate crown
Yeah that's like really high
silk bane
Seems a bit high
u get 2 pots, i think this one was from execute + branch + pot tik
loud light
is this like aug shenanigans messing up details somehow
spark scaffold
I've had 1.3 mill ticks in last raid tier
silk bane
idk this was logs
slate crown
Not aug then
silk bane
nah
balmy condor
Hm
whole herald
mirror of fractured tomorrows is pretty good isnt it?
balmy condor
mirror of fractured tomorrows is pretty good isnt it?
It’s like the 4th best out of the on-use trinkets
Which means it’s like maybe 8Th best overall
whole herald
well its better than the blue shitter trinket
balmy condor
Anything’s better than a blue shitter trinket :P
whole herald
does someone know how to use it properly?
heady moss
learned a valuable lesson just now... didn't realize kingsbane could be parried...
whole herald
i got branch too
slate crown
learned a valuable lesson just now... didn't realize kingsbane could be parried....
Yup.
balmy condor
Well then use the branch instead and forget mirror exists
silk bane
Smolderon deez nuts buddy
bring em on. ill smolderon em for you :3
spice spire
spark scaffold
Btw do bosses in doti actually parry
spark scaffold
I thought only raid bosses do that
slate crown
thought my kb timer WA was broken lol
Maybe I should add an alert to the bar and show it if you get parried .;....
and make an extremely unsatisfying noise
split jewel
can anyone actually see their water orbs in raid? x_x
silk bane
and make an extremely unsatisfying noise
i got a macro for you.
/logout
add it to the wa
balmy condor
can anyone actually see their water orbs in raid? x_x
Wasn’t too hard during testing when I was running it
Don’t have one on live 
silk bane
"It's over for u buddy"
slate crown
Wasn’t too hard during testing when I was running it
On like, volcoros, and smolderon, it felt fine. On nymue, tindral, council, felt very hard to see imo
I feel like the orbs should be like DH demon sight or whatever
show through objects
vocal barn
is there an aoe build that runs vigor? im constantly energy starved
balmy condor
Yep, either of the other builds that aren’t the utilitarian
balmy condor
That’s the only one that drops vigor
tall jay
Whispyr what’s your spreadsheet command again?
rain crystal
macro branch to Deathmark or use it right before it to get stacks?
arctic hare
Does Airborne Irritant spread off of the target or the player?
Also, how is the spiked Counterweight from BRH?
chrome mirage
How useful is the mirror trinket from doti
flat kindle
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balmy condor
Whispyr what’s your spreadsheet command again?
I don’t have a spreadsheet, mass of people just use it to compare specs to each other and I’m not going to add to the spreadsheet misinformation machine created from this patch cycle. I’d rather not have a spreadsheet at all than have a spreadsheet that can be misconstrued and compared to other sheets full of misinfo
balmy condor
macro branch to Deathmark or use it right before it to get stacks?
Macro it to dm
rain crystal
balmy condor
How useful is the mirror trinket from doti
Less useful than a bunch of other on use trinkets
tall jay
I don’t have a spreadsheet, mass of people just use it to compare specs to each ...
All good my good sir. I got the branch today 463 so figured I would try some since tomorrow
balmy condor
All good my good sir. I got the branch today 463 so figured I would try some sin...
Grats!
balmy condor
Does Airborne Irritant spread off of the target or the player?
Off the target pretty sure
arctic hare
Figured as much
balmy condor
Also, how is the spiked Counterweight from BRH?
Somewhere between not good and meh
arctic hare
Figured as much lol
balmy condor
Figured as much
tall jay
Ty!
We want nick of time right? I have. Crafted weapon from last season and croaking dagger or 441 sark lol
torn peak
s2 sin rogue set seems stinky
true blade
are we supposed to let garrote drop off in opener until vanish?
torn peak
should i skip it and keep focusing on m+/raid items as much as i can
balmy condor
We want nick of time right? I have. Crafted weapon from last season and croaking...
Yep, definitely in offhand, main hand you want item level
harsh galleon
what crafting item should go with i have slimey boots switch to 476 toxic or upgrade 447 dagger to 476
sims have them kinda close
balmy condor
s2 sin rogue set seems stinky
Well boy howdy do I have news for you, there’s a season 3 tier set and it cranks damage hard
balmy condor
are we supposed to let garrote drop off in opener until vanish?
Not sure how you’d manage to do that given the opener sequence
torn peak
yeah but ppl in m+ owns with their s2 set which is the advantage i lose
balmy condor
what crafting item should go with i have slimey boots switch to 476 toxic or upg...
Never slimy ever
torn peak
cause its easy to obtain now
balmy condor
yeah but ppl in m+ owns with their s2 set which is the advantage i lose
Okay I mean they’re gonna replace it for the new 4 set
harsh galleon
Never slimy ever
yea i didnt make toxic last season so probably should make those then and get rid of slimey?
raw raft
i just realized i never put caustic spatter on at all in raid yesterday KEKW i just left so much free dam out there
balmy condor
yea i didnt make toxic last season so probably should make those then and get ri...
Yep
deft vault
POg just got aotc
balmy condor
drifting cloud
whispyr working 2 jobs same time
junior olive
assas currently doing more dam than Boomies rn?
drifting cloud
thats efficient
deft vault
the boss is absolutly insane
balmy condor
I didn’t realize people have killed heroic fyrakk already
tropic tundra
A few tho
drifting cloud
yeah Ive heard people say its easier than tindrall
balmy condor
assas currently doing more dam than Boomies rn?
Depends on situation sure I guess
deft vault
less than 10 guild i believe
drifting cloud
so expect it to pile up
balmy condor
yeah Ive heard people say its easier than tindrall
Interesting
tall jay
I’m sure a bunch of the racers are AOTC no?
drifting cloud
if you can beat p1 phase % you can just save lust for the end
balmy condor
I’m sure a bunch of the racers are AOTC no?
They were doing normal splits yesterday when I checked
tall jay
Ah
slate crown
Doing pug heroic right now, just gotta say accelerated opener on larodar works like a charm
with spatter
torn peak
@balmy condor you dont spec into blindside for m+? i want to play the keep ur energy above 150 build but it doesnt have that
the talent that gives u free ambushes
raven locust
With the Witherbark trinket it's ideal to stagger the orbs to get max uptime?
drifting cloud
only the 3rd orb, try to aim for atleast 5seconds
slate crown
<@167090536602140682> you dont spec into blindside for m+? i want to play the ke...
There are a couple of M+ options, one of them (Arterial Shock) can take blindside
balmy condor
<@167090536602140682> you dont spec into blindside for m+? i want to play the ke...
I haven’t decided, played around with it yesterday and didn’t notice a difference
But yeh
Can swap tiny toxic for blindside from the shock build
And you’d be fine
raw raft
oh shit new bonespike build 1.2k increase with 2set for me pog
love me some spike gameplay
slate crown
no tier pieces at all for me yet 😦 just the catalyst charge which i'm not spending on a low-track item
tall jay
Are the builds listed somewhere lol wowhead I’m sure
torn peak
@balmy condor which m+ build would be easiest to learn assass rogue you think?
cause i assume you made all
some should be complicated vice versa and etc
slate crown
Are the builds listed somewhere lol wowhead I’m sure
Yes wowhead
bronze marsh
no tier pieces at all for me yet 😦 just the catalyst charge which i'm not spend...
same, I'm getting all the shittily-stat-budgeted gear so far and its great
slate crown
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low sparrow
guys are there any competitive embellishments for belt or cloak or bracers instead of using boots?
slate crown
I'm not going to complain about drops, I got a branch and an (LFR) signet
low sparrow
or is it just toxic boots or bust
slate crown
So that's p good for now
bronze marsh
lost 2pc to someone who just showed up for the first night of raid and likely won't be back
torn peak
https://youtu.be/UG0zGACDAuY?t=256 also whats that wa on the mid of the screen here
slate crown
got a couple off pieces from M+
drifting cloud
https://youtu.be/UG0zGACDAuY?t=256 also whats that wa on the mid of the screen h...
its literally linked in the description lol
bronze marsh
I haven't run much, was waiting for the new cpu to get here so I wasn't playing a slideshow
took 2 hours to troubleshoot lol
torn peak
its literally linked in the description lol
oh ty
timber meadow
do we wanna spend 60 aspect on crafting a spark this week?
balmy condor
<@167090536602140682> which m+ build would be easiest to learn assass rogue you ...
Realistically you can just play the shock build, and if you REALLY need easy mode, play internal bleeding over caustic, would remove something to track
raw raft
with bonespike i just swap ambush for spike in the opener right
balmy condor
Yes
raw raft
pog ty
balmy condor
do we wanna spend 60 aspect on crafting a spark this week?
Yes
timber meadow
boots a good call to do it on? the toxic thorn footwraps?
ornate onyx
!
balmy condor
in m+ on bosses is it worth doing Crimson tempest
Never ct single target
balmy condor
boots a good call to do it on? the toxic thorn footwraps?
They’re bis
thorny pond
sbs council?
scarlet aspen
Do we have confirmation that the 2pc bug is fully fixed?
rain mortar
sbs council?
I like it for them
peak bobcat
Hopefully they dont nerf based on heroic week
thorny pond
they'd never
cursive jungle
hi guys, does anyone use the macro "/cast [known: Hidden Opportunity, bonusbar:1] Ambush; Sinister Strike" so you can blindside if procs, otherwise, mutilate?
slow chasm
nymue is such a wierd fight
runic hinge
they'd never
Yes. Just like they didn’t for s1
spice spire
they'd never
spice spire
hi guys, does anyone use the macro "/cast [known: Hidden Opportunity, bonusbar:1...
It already does this
You don’t need to macro
Not the outlaw stuff
eternal heath
Man I am sandbagging in keys lol
gray crest
thank you for your efforts in not getting us nerfed
silk bane
slate crown
Haven't hit leeching bug, paranoid so I'm keeping my WA for now but will delete it soon
Or maybe I keep it, who knows maybe it comes back
outer cairn
back to not using sbs. got the hourglass trinket and original dance build sims better
getting really tired of being pulled out of stealth for no damn reason though
wispy hazel
night summit
is there a macro that uses mut or ambush when needed due to blindside
brazen zodiac
do show me the garrote damage
eternal heath
runic hinge
Haven't hit leeching bug, paranoid so I'm keeping my WA for now but will delete ...
I’m still putting it on every loading screen outta habit
slate crown
is there a macro that uses mut or ambush when needed due to blindside
Yes, you can find it in your spellbook under Mutilate
🙃
night summit
wait what
eternal heath
It auto changes
steel spire
I feel like I need an air horn sounding off when rup and gar are about to expire in big packs fml
slate crown
They changed the spell, it auto-replaces by default
night summit
oh sick so no point of ambush on bar
eternal heath
Only changes for proc
hexed willow
!dagger
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outer cairn
oh sick so no point of ambush on bar
No put it on your stealth bar. You want to still use it over Mut
eternal heath
do show me the garrote damage
Right now I know I am really bad with cd usage
tropic tundra
Yeah blindside procced ambush replaces mut but in dance/vanish/etc you still need a keybind for it
steel spire
I also have troubles id'ing when to rip dance kb or dm low key issues for sure
cursive frost
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arctic tusk
do you want embersoul AND branch or just one of them
balmy condor
One
torn peak
Realistically you can just play the shock build, and if you REALLY need easy mod...
would EASY mode help me learn and transition in future?
im scrub now but i dont wanna stay one you know what im saying 
balmy condor
I guess
fallen forge
holy fuck i suck dick at sin 
past bobcat
Is cata trinket still good for us?
steel spire
holy fuck i suck dick at sin <:pepehands:757566347558387803>
Dust yourself off and try again 
fallen forge
is it normal to drop envenom buff while applying garrote and rupture in sdance?
balmy condor
No
eternal heath
holy fuck i suck dick at sin <:pepehands:757566347558387803>
FELT
I am being a dumpster
cursive frost
what is the cd order on the 2:00 mark, is it vanish garrote rupture DM shiv dance KB?
slow chasm
just for claification, does DM dupe bleeds already on or does it dupe the bleeds you apply during it?
junior aurora
both
slow chasm
coolio
junior aurora
anything on the target is just doubled for the duration of deathmark
cursive frost
or do you shiv dance kb garrote DM
slow chasm
and the dupe doesn't persist after DM
balmy condor
what is the cd order on the 2:00 mark, is it vanish garrote rupture DM shiv danc...
The same as the opener
urban saddle
what embelishments does everyone run now ?
cursive frost
thanks
drifting cloud
would sudden demise be borderline required for low keys? even on 17+ stuff just dies so fast
junior aurora
i'd say sudden demise is probably required for all keys
slow chasm
yeah
balmy condor
would sudden demise be borderline required for low keys? even on 17+ stuff just ...
Sudden demise lowkey required everywhere it’s just a great talent
past bobcat
AOE build on heroic 2nd last boss or Full ST
slow chasm
funny execute dmg
junior aurora
just take caustic spatter
fallen raven
ass on low key bosses when you can kill a boss entirely in your burst window is fun
balmy condor
st with spatter
junior aurora
honestly the only talent swap you make this entire raid is on that choice node
unless something drastically changes in mythic
drifting cloud
are you not playing sudden demise or is it lower than 3% in your key?
past bobcat
Yeah Spatter seems pretty nice
junior aurora
are you not playing sudden demise or is it lower than 3% in your key?
the 10% bleed damage is big
fwiw this is my breakdown for 18 AD
5% there
drifting cloud
yeah I get that, but their screen is from a +10
eternal heath
pog
arctic hare
Yeah blindside procced ambush replaces mut but in dance/vanish/etc you still nee...
You can actually make a macro to make them switch automatically while under stealth, haven't gotten it to work during shadow dance though, might need to figure that out
junior aurora
yeah I get that, but their screen is from a +10
+10 i would take internal bleeding instead of caustic spatter and go arterial shock build
eternal heath
SD at 2.7% with 2.3m damage
torn peak
does anyone have simple WA that tells slice and dice should be up
silk bane
youre not using spatter or crimson tempest? the sandbagging is real. thank you for your work soldir
junior aurora
spatter is there
eternal heath
Yeah my usage of CT has been shit tho
silk bane
oh right didnt see it was tiny
junior aurora
spatter in a 10 doesn't do anything though
the mob is dead once you press kingsbane on it lol
silk bane
true i guess
eternal heath
My kingsbane usage is really low as well because nothing lives long enough
silk bane
idk tho in a 10 sudden demise gonna go brrr
eternal heath
So I hold it a lot
silk bane
like this was a 19
eternal heath
Yeah I def need to use CT more
junior aurora
idk tho in a 10 sudden demise gonna go brrr
esp if you play arterial precision
tight atlas
So based on bis list im assuming pips isnt simming right?
lucid rain
silk bane
<:dracthyr_kek:1002454136706580620>
still did a lil pumpin
junior aurora
its bc things dont live long enough in a 10
silk bane
was super hard to KB tho. pretty sure i didnt get a full KB on a single non boss mob
lucid rain
I think with current 4p its viable (probably not optimal) to just say fuck it and just spam bleeds while shiving 5 targets, especially when mobs hit 35%
silk bane
they all died in 3-4 seconds
lucid rain
but I think with t31 4p you're kinda required to utilize caustic
eternal heath
I also skipped S2 on my rogue, so I have no tier
silk bane
yeah that ones big
lucid rain
which dungeon armin?
eternal heath
And my trinkets arent amazing
silk bane
darkhearth i think
lucid rain
ooh nice
eternal heath
silk bane
nice neck tho
viral apex
is 2pc2pc tier strong for us ?/
lucid rain
if you search 2p2p I believe you'll see people recommending it
viral apex
or is it better to keep 4pc from last season
silk bane
it was like 4% better for me
eternal heath
Neck did like 500k healing during that
silk bane
- the ilvls ofc
eternal heath
eternal heath
But yeah my trinkets are useless lol
silk bane
oh yeah theyre down bad
slow chasm
I'm using Rashok's
eternal heath
but the flame is garbage
slow chasm
BiS healing rogue
eternal heath
huge
drifting cloud
get the one from time rifts
drifting cloud
every full hour, pick up the weekly
eternal heath
Was able to upgrade that Nick of Time to 470 tho
drifting cloud
afk there for 8min, go into portal tag last boss, turn i nweekly done
theres a pin in #wow-general with them
raven locust
Does Sudden Demise work with pre existing bleeds or do you need to apply them sub 35%?
loud brook
from what I heard, it's better to think of sudden demise as protection from losing damage. the execute effect helps keep you from overkilling mobs at low to mid keys and at high keys the 10% damage boost helps keep it relevant
hexed willow
When do you use Crimson Tempest during M+? Its showing up as the 15th step in a 3 target aoe opener
lucid rain
you can also gas it the fuck up (sudden demise) by refreshing your dots to max pandemic and if you're playing arterial precision, shivving those bad boys for the +30% on top of the execute bonus
arctic tusk
branch or ashes better?
raven locust
branch depending on ilvl
drifting cloud
+2 branch would probably still win
loud brook
When do you use Crimson Tempest during M+? Its showing up as the 15th step in a ...
I like going on 4+ targets double stealth garrote into rupture, then fan into crimson tempest
then do my st opener, aka mutilate, envenom, deathmark
loud brook
ye, cause the 20% boost per mob hit at 4 targets feels like it's important to get going on right away
obtuse latch
With Sanguine Blades, do i always wanna be above my 50% energy, like never go below?
lucid rain
in single target, you don't really play around it (so I've read in this channel)
in aoe, you're generally super high on energy b/c all teh bleeds you have on mobs
drifting cloud
you dont, in st you play around pooling
loud brook
isn't it to encourage pooling during downtime
lucid rain
so it's not really a concern because it just happens
blazing jewel
I specced outlaw for igira
And immediately had my internet go out
They are telling me something
loud brook
steel spire
Outlaw fotms out
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blazing jewel
Outlaw fotms out<a:Flowi:585747395032121364>
Make spatter hit spears bozo 
drifting cloud
Make spatter hit spears bozo <:Susge:888573531468734555>
padder
slate crown
for last boss, get zoldyck
steel spire
blazing jewel
I didn’t even take ct for gnarlroot
loud brook
mfw no ct
blazing jewel
I’m a #ethicalgamer
lucid rain
I counter your ethical gaming with yolo
drifting cloud
725mil on worm, how are we feeling about that scana
loud brook
couldn't you make an argument that your dots help you funnel
therefore sin doesnt pad
ez
blazing jewel
725mil on worm, how are we feeling about that scana
Idk if that’s good or bad
steel spire
Sin ethical confirmed 👍🏾
blazing jewel
I’m going to flame my hunter on stream because they have no atrophic now
They can never kill the boss without it
drifting cloud
benched? smh
loud brook
atrophic op
blazing jewel
Frfr
loud brook
pad squad
stable moss
is there a weakaura like the one jpc is using for kings bane that highlights at 6 and 3 secs
loud brook
I personally just use luxthos's weakaura pack
fallow acorn
loud brook
garts
cerulean nest
tyty
slate crown
is there a weakaura like the one jpc is using for kings bane that highlights at ...
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balmy condor
It’s pretty good
past bobcat
oh wowhead and etc say worst trinket lmao
bleak spoke
it's good for outlaw
brave sinew
Best spark item rn ?
bleak spoke
anyone have got a talent build for the bonespike shenanigans
static bobcat
should we be pooling if we dont have the 4p yet?
balmy condor
oh wowhead and etc say worst trinket lmao
Yeah it got mega buffed recently
drifting cloud
it was the meme trinket of bfa but got insane buffs
balmy condor
Have to do a couple of updates on wowhead later tonight
bronze marsh
I'm quickly collecting every trinket but branch
haughty flicker
meanwhile the only remotely good drop ive gotten is branch
but i'll take that trade any day tbh
bleak spoke
anyone have got a talent build for the bonespike shenanigans
@balmy condor !!
swift cargo
haughty flicker
oof
runic hinge
Have to do a couple of updates on wowhead later tonight
Hell yeah, more invoice time
cursive frost
should we be pooling if we dont have the 4p yet?
I think you still pool for sanguine blades
zinc frost
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You mean the one in the latest pin?
balmy condor
<@167090536602140682> !!
Pins
bleak spoke
of never checking pins
somber perch
Yeah blindside procced ambush replaces mut but in dance/vanish/etc you still nee...
For the blindside/mut procs in/out of stealth, use the [stance] mod (stance 1 = stealth, 2 = dance, 0 or nostance is out of stealth).
/cast [stance] Ambush, Mutilate
This works because when blindside procs, the macro effectively reads /cast ambush,ambush regardless of stealth state.
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sweet zealot
so embersoul on bloodmallet sims 2nd highest (after branch), but is that only if its used during our CDs?
balmy condor
Yes
steel ridge
When would you use it instead 
arctic hare
Have to do a couple of updates on wowhead later tonight
Tank ya
sweet zealot
well on wowhead its only an A, is that due to it only being used during our CDs? while the S ones are more consistent?
steel ridge
what
somber perch
And put ambush on it
Just answering the question... =\
tepid idol
When would you use it instead <:kekdog:907207037757296710>
Cant use two actives in cooldowns, so if u have branch, will it drop in value
Thats his question i guess
steel ridge
Ah
sweet zealot
Ah... ok u kinda answered it for me Fuoco
eager barn
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steel ridge
I mean, poorly worded question then. You ideally want either branch or embersoul and then something passive ofc
sweet zealot
nah i was just dumb and assumed that u can have two on use trinkets where u can use both at the same time
somber fractal
the 4 piece is only 30% increase on st now? is that new?
balmy condor
Tooltip fix
agile osprey
Anyone else just give up on trying to locate their branch orbs in raid?
karmic tusk
!dagger
prisma monolithBOT
cunning basin
Yeah I grab two then side step a bit and let the third one hit me
covert pulsar
!up
prisma monolithBOT
gaunt sigil
blazing jewel
Cultured name
slow chasm
tyty
eternal ferry
<a:woo:1171395617839382559>
Where can i get that weakaura, i want this!
rough girder
vapid canopy
Where can i get that weakaura, i want this!
same!
tranquil drum
@eternal ferry @vapid canopy Looks like -> https://wago.io/PFTo3o6Ug
eternal ferry
<@512285479014629377> <@537100225060274186> Looks like -> https://wago.io/PFTo3o...
Thanks man!
fallen forge
aint no way i misread the opener and have been fucking up for 1 week straight
past forum
https://gyazo.com/9b4ff071b20e5d318ff6480a15cb8815 this felt nice 🙂
spiral pasture
<a:woo:1171395617839382559>
How
gaunt moat
<a:woo:1171395617839382559>
wtf.
(also reminder you don't have to take a picture the moment it happens, there is a button under custom options that lets you display highest record)
it will also show the target the record was on
eternal ferry
Timestrike, someone already got the daggers from dawn of the infinites 
merry bane
Quick question. Can I replace Mutilate with Ambush in my stealth hotbar or is there a reason to use Mutilate when "stealthed"?
past forum
Timestrike, someone already got the daggers from dawn of the infinites <:monkaW:...
its an m0
eternal ferry
Quick question. Can I replace Mutilate with Ambush in my stealth hotbar or is th...
I think you could still need it while shadowdance is active, just to refresh caustic splatter
Or does ambush apply it as well even without blindside?
cunning basin
I think you could still need it while shadowdance is active, just to refresh cau...
Ambush applies it as well now afaik
Believe tooltip is just not updated
merry bane
Or does ambush apply it as well even without blindside?
ok that is good. I think they should dynamically change on their own. but nvm, it is blizzard we are talking about 😄
merry bane
This is what Wowhead says the opener should be. In some Videos I see people that say it should be like this:
the second one should be bad since the 4th gcd wont be inside of Master Assassin/Nightstalker right?
spring dome
Yes
spiral pasture
wowhead one is good
cedar star
for the non SD build, the guide never says when to use ER past the opener
fading siren
Not sure if it's happening to anyone else, but my stealth is just breaking randomly
shut owl
the second one should be bad since the 4th gcd wont be inside of Master Assassin...
rupture is our lowest priority for nighstalker snapshotting, so you might be looking at an "accelerated" method
shut owl
Not sure if it's happening to anyone else, but my stealth is just breaking rando...
are you using corrupting phial? I noticed it was breaking stealth again this patch
spiral pasture
wowhead guide says that rupture snapshot is basically same as just sending envenom btw
fading siren
are you using corrupting phial? I noticed it was breaking stealth again this pat...
No just breaking randomly, usually in a group so maybe it's another classes ability
Just wondered if anyone else noticed
torn peak
2 minute dummy fight 428 with shock build @balmy condor should i keep what i been doing 
i bursted to 250k then managed to keep at 160-170k
arctic hare
<a:woo:1171395617839382559>
uh oh, he hit the highest record so far I think.
balmy condor
Looks okay yeah
torn peak
i was like all the way bottom on energy on this fight
felt like mistake after i watched ur video
pooling
but i feel like i get the concept i can push not as much as this but doing this during cds
eternal ferry
I think pooling becomes muuuch more important with 4set, cause we need to chain envenom
hoary remnant
2 minute dummy fight 428 with shock build <@167090536602140682> should i keep wh...
I thought for a second you were doing 170k st on a dummy. Was questioning life.
hoary remnant
i saw 1 mil on st today
That's normal details resets since vanish gets you out of combat
torn peak
as soon as i press vanish after putting everything on and pop off
rotund oak
This is what Wowhead says the opener should be. In some Videos I see people that...
trust wowhead
deft vault
So we are 100% expecting nerfs right?
spiral pasture
why
orchid pewter
there are bigger fish, like bm or smth
deft vault
Bm already got some nerfs tho
spiral pasture
the whole bm situation is so weird
balmy condor
Well bm is getting nuked
wet agate
just got my nick of time
How many runs did it take you?
slate crown
Well the latest BM nerf was a bug fix and not a true tuning nerf right?
slow chasm
2
balmy condor
We’re strong but we’re not CRAZY from the look of logs atm
wet agate
Oh that's pretty solid
haughty flicker
Well the latest BM nerf was a bug fix and not a true tuning nerf right?
in the long run its probably good for them since pets scale with weapon damage now
but im sure it felt like shit for bms who finally got to be on top of meters
slate crown
Do you all open with CDs on Morchie? When I did she did her mirror images before KB could run out, still had like 6 sec left on it
haughty flicker
just to get fixed
slate crown
!wa
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Afenar's Group
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool
cinder grotto
Hey @balmy condor I think your link to the Volcoross talent build is incorrect on this page: https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/rogue/assassination/amirdrassil-raid-tips
balmy condor
Yeah on my todo list for tonight
trail storm
Do you all open with CDs on Morchie? When I did she did her mirror images before...
We did CDs and BL after images
Worked much better
deft vault
Which one you prefere? The Whispyr ones werent to my eye
Cev are prettt good
slate crown
Anyonye have really clean Platers, as simple as possible? Minimalist style
I like Cev’s myself, haven’t tried Whispyr’s plater.
slate crown
We did CDs and BL after images
Yeah that’s what I figured. We killed her regardless, was just annoying, she seems like way less a pia than it was originally
My group wasn’t sure, does p1 damage matter on last boss in Rise? Like does his health get set to a set % after the 4 adds die, or is damage in P1 still count towards overall damage?
Don’t remember how it works from M0
brazen zodiac
Guess I’ll just die
sorry boss ain't that easy to escape
candid token
I like Whispyr’s guides
balmy condor
I like them too he’s kinda cute
opaque cliff
Is the group finder bugged or am I stupid?
junior olive
having trouble wit opener during aoe..are we supposed to use crimson tempest at all before shadow dance? ..
marble hemlock
I like them too he’s kinda cute
i dont, he made a change to his stream specifically to bully me
haughty flicker
wtf
balmy condor
Is the group finder bugged or am I stupid?
Groups are just dumb
balmy condor
i dont, he made a change to his stream specifically to bully me
Twitch is a robust platform with many tools for streamers
marble hemlock
i hope you get foot fungus
rotund oak
Twitch is a robust platform with many tools for streamers
Dear Whispyr Sir,is there a sequence in which we wanna line-up our cds between the deathmarks.I suppose dance+KB+pot+shivs is ok but what about vanish
gaunt sigil
Dear Whispyr Sir,is there a sequence in which we wanna line-up our cds between t...
You wanna vanish in last 3 sec of your Deathmark KB
sharp viper
was he afk?
gaunt sigil
It’s so you get Master Assassin on the last 2 ticks of KB
turbid heath
sorry guys off topic - but what raid utility do Sin rogues bring over Sub / Law?
balmy condor
Dear Whispyr Sir,is there a sequence in which we wanna line-up our cds between t...
Why would you have vanish but not dm
low quartz
rotund oak
wait what dm
low quartz
Just got nick of time to drop - its 3 ilvl lower than my crafted main hand, think I should put it in mainhand anyway?
balmy condor
sorry guys off topic - but what raid utility do Sin rogues bring over Sub / Law?
None
turbid heath
ty
balmy condor
Just got nick of time to drop - its 3 ilvl lower than my crafted main hand, thin...
Sim
rotund oak
Why would you have vanish but not dm
oh u mean deathmark yes so we keep vanish and deathmark and dance and when we dont have vanish and deathmark we send dance+kb+pot+shivs right?
and we allign vanish+dm
roger
balmy condor
What
marble hemlock
pot outside of dm?
balmy condor
My eyes are glazing over reading that
marble hemlock
balmy condor
This isn’t confusing
Dm + vanish is 2 min
Kb + dance is 1
They line up all on their own
gaunt sigil
Just vanish in last 3 sec of your big ass burst to get big KB crits at the end
sick smelt
This isn’t confusing
I think you misunderstand how fucking dumb I am 😎 😎 😎
balmy condor
I think you misunderstand how fucking dumb I am 😎 😎 😎
Same, mulch gang
rotund oak
<a:UltraConcerned:817106537113190430>
Seli stream when
marble hemlock
marble hemlock
Seli do you want to see my ball
which one?
balmy condor
which one?
marble hemlock
why does it say hammer?
balmy condor
That’s the company
hearty reef
Hey uh, i checked raidbots and i noticed that for ST it's sending envenoms spells asap, no pooling
marble hemlock
whats the weight?
cyan gulch
fuck i wanna swap to assa but idk how, i gotta recraft old gear to crit mastery
balmy condor
fuck i wanna swap to assa but idk how, i gotta recraft old gear to crit mastery
You hit n, and then there’s a little button that says specialization, and one of them will say Assassination, you hit that button and you swapped
keen spruce
20 waycrest completo
spiral salmon
HEY guys is ASSA viable? Is it gonna be META ? please respond
jk ignore that sorry
cyan gulch
but my stats are outlaw
keen spruce
hearty reef
True
cyan gulch
ill try later
marble hemlock
You just don’t understand that secondaries don’t matter
then why do i feel the urge to vomit after seeing that almost every off-piece in this raid has vers?
hearty reef
runic hinge
then why do i feel the urge to vomit after seeing that almost every off-piece in...
Outlaw tier
Makes you sick
drifting cloud
4 outlaw vs 3 assa logs on gnarlroot its over
marble hemlock
id really like it
drifting cloud
pack it up
balmy condor
then why do i feel the urge to vomit after seeing that almost every off-piece in...
Because you are weak willed
runic hinge
20 waycrest completo
Ksm this week?
marble hemlock
if they changed what pips defaults to after you unequip
cuz it defaults to mastery
so your first proc is crit or vers
marble hemlock
can we change it to default to vers instead so we always get crit or mastery as first proc? 
runic hinge
Oh hell yeah brother
keen spruce
we're gettin there
peak bobcat
I’m at 1995 and I’m depressed
marble hemlock
@balmy condor when recuperator fix?
civic hinge
!dagger
prisma monolithBOT
balmy condor
@marble hemlock who cares about recup?
marble hemlock
SS bugged for a year, we use it to gain 0.3% dps, insta nerf.
recuperator not working, probably gonna stay that way like NS for 6+ months again
balmy condor
Recuperator isn’t rotationally impacting like the ss bug was
Cry about it
Rip your 500 hps
marble hemlock
ye i will
low quartz
Im not very good at doing AoE on this spec hahaha - I FEEL LIKE IT REQURES SO MUCH DAMN SETUP DOH - as soon as im ready to pump, theyre already dying, is there an accelerated aoe opener that Im just not doing
marble hemlock
I LIKE NOT DYING
drifting cloud
I bet you dont even enchant leech!
marble hemlock
i do actually
keen spruce
whispyr is sandbagging our HPS
marble hemlock
fuck avoidance
keen spruce
white lance
Let me live
marble hemlock
used to have speed enchant but kinda unnecessary nowadays
just kinda, not great, when a t7 talent just doesnt work, ya know
steel spire
Rank 1 hps 👍🏾 crimson vial used on cd
balmy condor
Rogue so squishy waaaaaa 500 hps from recup that’ll do it surely I’ll live then promise it’ll matter it’s so good recup is such a huge amount of healing I promise please fix it it’s so massive I’ll surely survive now! Every dot in the game is like 80k per second but that extra 500-1k from recoup? Wahoo that’s the thing that’ll make me live surely yes sir can’t be any other way
marble hemlock
you gonna argue that its fine that a talent just doesnt work?
cunning basin
Recup SUCC
marble hemlock
paid actor
balmy condor
If the talent has no impact then it doesn’t matter if it works
cunning basin
Me no want recup fix me want ACRO STRIKES 
marble hemlock
any talent that doesnt work has no impact
cunning basin
steel spire
Acro gamers 
balmy condor
any talent that doesnt work has no impact
Yes but if blindside didn’t work then it would be a noticeable impact
If recup doesn’t work the only thing that happens is seli whines about it in assa chat and 95% of the channel doesn’t even notice it’s broken in the first place
hearty reef
cunning basin
People be like "we can't take acro anymore SIN LITERALLY DOOMED UNPLAYABLE 
"
cunning basin
I will gladly sacrifice Acro on the altar of "what talents aren't quite good enough to take" in exchange for out bursting unholy dk
And being top dps by like 30% in my raid
spiral salmon
also the aoe blind -30% dmg utility in m+, I'm loving that shit
cunning basin
also the aoe blind -30% dmg utility in m+, I'm loving that shit
ON GOD
steel spire
And we get iron wire too bruhhhh
spiral salmon
yea
cunning basin
It's like a defensive but for everyone(and more importantly, for your tank)
steel spire
Our time is now 
spiral salmon
I skip iron wire, I take flying dagger for extra dps obviously, like any decent assa rogue would do.
steel spire
oblique wasp
I skip iron wire, I take flying dagger for extra dps obviously, like any decent ...
sacrilege....... go, call the inquisitors!
marble hemlock
If recup doesn’t work the only thing that happens is seli whines about it in ass...
ye well i like living. losing ~30% of our passive HPs kinda blows :<
spiral salmon
baited
cunning basin
.7% gain from flying dagger 
better than iron wire
balmy condor
ye well i like living. losing ~30% of our passive HPs kinda blows :<
Bro if you think recup is going to do anything for your living situation you’re giga coping
steel spire
Found the outlaw
marble hemlock
means i take away less smarthealing, more for my team. SORRY FOR BEING A TEAMPLAYER
cunning basin
means i take away less smarthealing, more for my team. SORRY FOR BEING A TEAMPLA...
Fuck my team they'll figure it out
steel spire
Ff14 be like healers adjust
marble hemlock
we all know troll was ultra broken as a race because of its 5 hp regen
recup is way more than that
fallen forge
whispyr one of those guys that gets hit for 90% hp then presses feint
i only press feint after i proc cheat death 
marble hemlock
stops working after you vanish
keen spruce
or sometimes doesn't work
fierce sigil
Hey Folks! Which Talent we switch out for acro or we wont take it? 🙈
keen spruce
drifting cloud
whispyr one of those guys that gets hit for 90% hp then presses feint
actually you can find a vod of him dieing on normal larodar asking for a heal with cloak up (you didnt hear this from me)
marble hemlock
actually you can find a vod of him dieing on normal larodar asking for a heal wi...
man probably has cloak on ctrl+alt+f7
keen spruce
stops working after you vanish
consistently?
and for the rest of combat? or like until you relog?
steel spire
Recup enjoyers are getting cata classic to relive cata recup 
marble hemlock
cata recup 
steel spire
sub op
balmy condor
actually you can find a vod of him dieing on normal larodar asking for a heal wi...
If the healers weren’t asleep at the wheel I would’ve lived on god
slow chasm
I've been playing sin rouge for like less than 2 weeks and the most I've learned is its always the tank's and healer's fault
desert sigil
!dagger
prisma monolithBOT
marble hemlock
so do we just spec out of recouperator
if you play tea m+ build then yea
slow chasm
damn
keen spruce
unluck
cobalt hemlock
unlucky
marble hemlock
just get deadened nerves in the meantime
glad vapor
so how was the first night of riding for you?
keen spruce
if you play tea m+ build then yea
I do. i'll just throw it in iron stomach or somethin\
ye i've already got nerves
marble hemlock
ah oke
hexed willow
I keep getting not tier armor, wtb rings/neck/trinkets
marble hemlock
ye then just get
glad vapor
I see a lot of outlaw sick excitment
marble hemlock
stillshroud if you pug a lot, although people dont really shroud stuff atm
will take a while for common shrouds to be "expected"
slow chasm
I haven't had an outlaw out-dps me yet
marble hemlock
played some atal route earlier that i havent seen since like 2003
slow chasm
and I haven't seen a single sub
balmy condor
I haven't had an outlaw out-dps me yet
The reverse outlaw sim sandbag is so real
balmy condor
Those guys just inflating their numbers on god
balmy condor
They usually are
slow chasm
there are 2 in my raid in like the bottom, I'm sitting right below BM rn
keen spruce
i also play outlaw
i had 2 grilled cheeses earlier. just cheese, tapatio, and some turkey slices
fallen forge
keen spruce
fallen forge
u degenerate
balmy condor
i had 2 grilled cheeses earlier. just cheese, tapatio, and some turkey slices
Maybe I need to make you hit a dummy for 7 hours again
Just to avoid reading things like this
quiet oar
!wa
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Afenar's Group
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Whispyr's Plater
Pooling Practice Tool
keen spruce
Just to avoid reading things like this
what is wrong with my snack updates
balmy condor
You wanna go test that all the lethal dose fixes are actually fixed shmeeps
keen spruce
glossy grove
would you recommend to craft a item this week?
keen spruce
we just finished keys i can go smack dummy
marble hemlock
Maybe I need to make you hit a dummy for 7 hours again
can i hit you for 7hrs as well?
keen spruce
LD test 2 electric boogaloo
quiet oar
keen spruce
balmy condor
can i hit you for 7hrs as well?
Idk if you can last that long
balmy condor
would you recommend to craft a item this week?
Yep spend 60 aspect thingies on boots
slow chasm
Thorny boots
balmy condor
Yeah horny boots
marble hemlock
Idk if you can last that long
i can give you 4 minutes and a smile
steel spire
Crit mastery neck from dht always drops for me 
legion curse lives on for me
balmy condor
Crit mastery neck from dht always drops for me <:pepe_cry:676639613779050507> le...
Isn’t that good
haughty flicker
opps, cat wanted to talk to yall
pictures
also am i the only one who keeps getting baited by pugs into the wrong doti
fuckers list as lower and have someone put in upper
balmy condor
idiots
junior aurora
toxic
neat plank
ass is S tier m+!!
junior aurora
its rise and fall
inner token
i would just leave and say have a nice day
keen spruce
some of the dumbest, cling to the past, legion boomer shit
hexed willow
Or dot1 and 2oti!
keen spruce
yeah like fall / rise very good
haughty flicker
is it really that big of a deal what they're called lol
junior aurora
"that fucker dungeon" and "that other fucker dungeon"
keen spruce
like i still don't know which one is which
hexed willow
bruh because lower and upper are meaningless names
Comes from lower black rock spire and upper black rock spire
junior aurora
upper is the second half
haughty flicker
not to mention the groups arent being listed as upper and lower anyway
torn peak
watching jpc and trying to follow wowhead guide is so hard
junior aurora
bc jpc doesn't follow the wowhead guide
torn peak
man plays like no one else
tropic tundra
fr
slow chasm
We goin bed now
junior aurora
i wasn't done talking to him
slow chasm
i wasn't done talking to him
He was done talking
junior aurora
oh ok understandable
inner token
for the new you dungeon is like to be a hero you need to fall first and rise up again to be a legend
junior aurora
poignant
slow chasm
I always have 1st or 2nd half in the title
raven echo
Hey all, hope everyone is having a banger first week
marble hemlock
some of the dumbest, cling to the past, legion boomer shit
i mean having one called rise and one called fall, makes the upper/lower kinda fit decently well
junior aurora
we need ubrs as a m+ dungeon
just so i can get a blackrock mountain dungeon portal
hexed willow
we need ubrs as a m+ dungeon
LBRS was such an awful place
But they’ve said they won’t do any classic dungeons for m+
Cause the mechanics are considered too simple
subtle tundra
wtf is ubrs
junior aurora
upper blackrock spire
cobalt hemlock
upper blackrock spire as far as im aware
junior aurora
the OG mega dungeon
torn peak
why do you go deathmark after doing envenom once
cobalt hemlock
why do you go deathmark after doing envenom once
for the poison apply buff thing
torn peak
and what needs to be done during deathmark window?
haughty flicker
its so cursed
main oriole
is there a macro for ambush and mutilate, where it swaps in stealth and dance?
fair ingot
its so cursed
it was a bug atleast yesterday
junior aurora
is there a macro for ambush and mutilate, where it swaps in stealth and dance?
it does this automatically
raven echo
No need for macro, it swaps automatically
junior aurora
it even swaps in your macros
main oriole
doesn't it only do that for blindside?
raven echo
its so cursed
Do people bait as muroz. Part as galakrond?
fair ingot
i dont know if its astral keys or another addon that automatically sets the dungeon to your key but with this one it puts in the wrong one automatically ^^
winter gale
Do I get some minor benefits going dwarf from human?
junior aurora
Do I get some minor benefits going dwarf from human?
if you do high m+ stoneform is almost a must
haughty flicker
thats a very annoying bug
winter gale
Wowhead suggests it for law but not for assa that much.
raven echo
is there a macro for ambush and mutilate, where it swaps in stealth and dance?
In stealth/dance your whole bar swaps, so put ambush where mut is
junior aurora
purely for damage outlaw likes the extra 2% damage on crits more
main oriole
I don't use bar swaps
junior aurora
but stoneform is the best defensive racial by a mile too so it makes it very easy to go dwarf
main oriole
was just wondering if there was one
torn peak
is sub easier than assassin?
winter gale
I will do 20s and above + and raid CE but I will most likely not reach 25s and above
cobalt hemlock
if you arent parsing like 99 in top 50 guild racials really do not affect you
winter gale
Yeah, that’s what I think about it
junior aurora
when it comes to damage racials i agree
but stoneform is in a league of its own when it comes to utility
and will affect you
but its ultimately not mandatory
fair ingot
if you arent parsing like 99 in top 50 guild racials really do not affect you
dpswise sure but the actives are nice for gameplay depending on the race you play
having stoneform or being able to human out of stuns can be really nice to have
arctic tusk
!fuu
prisma monolithBOT
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
cobalt hemlock
i enjoy my stun cleanse
cobalt hemlock
dpswise sure but the actives are nice for gameplay depending on the race you pla...
possibly a gnome for this raid saw a bunch of roots in the raid so for class that cant deal with it could be maybe usefull?
or just beg a friendly paladin for freedom
fair ingot
possibly a gnome for this raid saw a bunch of roots in the raid so for class tha...
i personally would rather be rooted for all eternity than play a gnome rogue 😄 god they are ugly ^^
cobalt hemlock
they have unique animations
never really got this gnome hate. the gnomes in ff14 tho those looks vile absolutely dogshit
keen spruce
i mean having one called rise and one called fall, makes the upper/lower kinda f...
. Fall - falling from upper? or falling to lower? Rise - rising from lower? or did you already rise and you're in upper
torn atlas
The weird baby looking things?
haughty flicker
fall is low and rise is up
fair ingot
i dislike the body shape and how small they are. they just look super uncool to me and leather armor doesnt suit them at all 😄
haughty flicker
gnomes are only cool as tanks with overly sized weapons and plate armor
cobalt hemlock
if you think about it gnomes would make the best rogues since they are hardest to see and hit
torn atlas
Goblins tho
cobalt hemlock
and gobos with them ye
keen spruce
fall is low and rise is up
bad names
lethal widget
Gobo stealth animation is top tier
fair ingot
in theory yeah ^^
i like my edgy transmogs tho and they only look good on body types like human, belf or nelf 😄
cobalt hemlock
toxic
quiet oar
Shmeeps, how does it feel to have many duck friends at council
thorny onyx
Spore colony shoulders sims higher than toxic boots, has the BIS craft changed ? Or what is the reason to take toxic boots when shoulders seems to sim higher
quiet oar
Depending on ilvl
fallen forge
wtf strim key lemme see
balmy condor
shoulders are a buggy mess
quiet oar
On your current shoulder and boots
plain moon
How do we deal with PI? From what I’ve seen were fine with spriest timings but getting it on pull and then at 2min later seems kinda rough for us since we ramp a bit into our CDs then every timing after that is delayed a bit
balmy condor
also shoulders are a tier slot
balmy condor
How do we deal with PI? From what I’ve seen were fine with spriest timings but g...
why is it delayed