assassination

[vast loom]

Sub cds just dont click for me

[balmy condor]

sub plays itself almost

it's super free

[vast loom]

I just never feel like I'm popping off on sub lol but outlaw I'm just pressing a lot of buttons and sin has pog dmg during vend

I'll give sub another try when I get double daggers

[foggy temple]

can the dagger drop from the weekly m+ quest?

[vast loom]

Yes

It has all 3 loot tables tho

So chance at daggers pretty low but def do it

[foggy temple]

damn i was hoping it was just the active raid

[grizzled jay]

good afternoon sinners

[red tinsel]

Was there any further feedback on Rogue talents? I'm really hoping for thistle tea to be reconsidered

Not a big fan of assa going Shadow Dance tbh

[vast loom]

You could get a sigil or cache tho too

I got a cache which is pog

[fading wigeon]

I got bracers

To add to the collection

Because f

[vast loom]

If you search from:realz in:#assassination you can see the convos

[cursive summit]

His latest posts mention CB potentially working on dots, seems kinda busted alongside IC

He was just spitballing though, unlikely to happen

[blazing chasm]

any video guides that are focused on raid mostly for sin rogue

[misty holly]

Thistle Tea is still being considered for further tuning from what I understand. I'm hoping it gets some kind of effect on top of the energy gain.

I'm hoping CttC gets reduced to only a 1 point talent, as it seems pretty weak investing 2 points for that effect. Would probably have to increase something else nearby to 2 points to keep the total path total the same, though. Nevermind it's a tier 1 talent wouldn't impact the paths at all.

Which isn't necessarily bad if the extra point buffs another ability.

[subtle tundra]

Well last season as sub I had my moments of bursting 100k aoe

[crisp sluice]

can anyone link me to the most current best legendaries and on what pieces for sin?

I saw an article saying like, 2 set, 2 legendaries. 4 set, no legendaries, etc etc stating what to get but i cant find it

[bleak sky]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[crisp sluice]

ty lol

[vast loom]

True true but how much was cache :)

[gray hazel]

for the xymox trinket, do you always pick the bleed axe option?

for ST and AoE?

[bleak sky]

yes

[echo geyser]

@burnt latch herbie is sin better in any dungeon this season

do i keep sin gear

[gusty mirage]

[drifting cloud]

😂

[echo geyser]

[strange python]

Bro I slam as sin :(

But that might be the 299 ilvl

[burnt latch]

no dont think so

worse st

worse cleave

unlug

[echo geyser]

[echo geyser]

show gear

[strange python]

Not home ATM

[echo geyser]

server and name and region

[strange python]

But 304 dag and 311 dfv

[echo geyser]

so i can logwatch u

[strange python]

We private log

Also I only do 15s

[echo geyser]

[strange python]

I'm no ramfam

Max called you the goat

[gusty mirage]

you can log watch me if you want

it's more entertaining

because I suck

[strange python]

I suck too. My slamming in +15s are against other dummies in 15s

[kind talon]

[astral imp]

is sin a good leveling spec for classic?

[bleak sky]

#classic-discussion

[astral imp]

sorry didnt see it 😅

[strange python]

BOYS

I got the haste ring

70 workshops.

I die now?

[pure skiff]

So the method guide says diff trinkets from what I thought was the best I need a set 2 to go after

[balmy condor]

Method guide isn’t updated

Use wowhead

[grim tangle]

it's easily a top 3 rogue spec

[woeful iris]

i've got the ring set with nature damage from mechagon, should i craft duskwalker to chest? or are the rings no use since duskwalker is on ring slot?

[oak sky]

Yeah go dusk on chest it should be in the pins

Er the faq

[woeful iris]

my bad i probably missed it, thanks mate

[pure skiff]

Is the mechagon wrists good for rogue?

[oak sky]

No

[cloud yoke]

Is there a pvp section for this disc or nah?

Just curious how assassination holds up in PvP right now and hoping anyone could point me at reliable resources for learning assassination in an arena setting

[oak sky]

#pvp

[cloud yoke]

Ty

[hollow river]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Fuus Shadowlands evaluation Spreadsheet: http://tiny.cc/uxr1tz

[wooden aurora]

!sims

[prisma monolith]

Simulations:
Herodamage: https://www.herodamage.com/rogue/
Bloodmallet: https://bloodmallet.com/index.html

[ebon notch]

i was thinking about this

if you went like ST

with mastery on affix

how hard could you pump

like could you pump single target hard enough that you become valuable?

[subtle tundra]

Just... Sim it?

[ebon notch]

monk main says what

[subtle tundra]

What's your rio

[ebon notch]

you gonna use your rio to hit on me again

[subtle tundra]

I only hit on girls with my Rio. It hasn't worked yet

[delicate smelt]

What do you think about Kara 2set Neck/Back + 10%dmg after boss kill?

[empty hinge]

Just play assa and it’ll get to them from the first try

[limber lion]

Good combo, but obviously only useful for Kara dungeons.

[burnt latch]

Possibly, sin likes stats more than outlaw

Could be something there, a bit like how pally got stonks cuz of huge mastery gains

Go sim it

[limber lion]

mastery is shit

haste/crit are the biggest increases in single target

[burnt latch]

Oh u already simmed with the affix?

Was more thinking going regular stats on gear and then affixing mastery

[limber lion]

Affix or not, mastery is bad

[subtle tundra]

youre so smart!

mastery aint bad

wdym

[burnt latch]

Does it not dr to go for haste or crit

[limber lion]

Every stat has dr

we already build all 3 stats

haste/crit/mastery

the only stat we don't build towards, is vers

so with that logic you'd take vers from the affix

which is even worse than the other 3

and if you were to pick from the 3 affixes, you'd go haste/crit every time

most likely crit.

[subtle tundra]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Fuus Shadowlands evaluation Spreadsheet: http://tiny.cc/uxr1tz

[burnt latch]

U wont reach the DR point with current ilvl gears if youre @ dr point in haste and crit

And pick mastery

But anyways

Someone who isnt lazy just sim it

[subtle tundra]

fuu has sims

just look there

smartass

[limber lion]

Just because you move some stats around, won't make assassination a good spec in m+

lol

As a reference with my normal profile with equal stat weights

Haste at 15 stacks is beating Mastery at 20 stacks

lol

[burnt latch]

[limber lion]

And this is with Haste already as my highest stat together with crit

[burnt latch]

Garret 1 garret 2 garret 3 dream will have to wait till df i guess

[subtle tundra]

yes, it will be better in df

[burnt latch]

Yes the mastery rework is stonks

[limber lion]

Mastery rework?

[burnt latch]

Ye i did a mastery rework and emailed it to the guys its probably gonna be in the next build if I had to guess

[limber lion]

But ngl Assa m+ is looking insane in DF

[ebon notch]

[subtle tundra]

my hero.

[limber lion]

Still waiting for tuning, but Carnage is nuts

[ebon notch]

if they buff carnage range

[burnt latch]

[limber lion]

8 SS Garrotes, 8 Scent of Blood Ruptures

Shadow Dance

pretty dank

[subtle tundra]

mfd CT

the new fire mage

[burnt latch]

The thing is the new mastery doesnt scale with bleeds at all

And ull want to stack a lot of it for m+

[limber lion]

Doesn't scale with bleeds, but you want to stack it

sus

[burnt latch]

Ye i did some drawings on my diary and came up to the conclusion that its better to make it a bit different

[subtle tundra]

i think you forgot your meds

[ebon notch]

when varas is saying that

you know you got problems

[burnt latch]

U see assasins have a lot of kill targets throughout their career. So to fullfil the class fantasy of the spec I suggested to make the mastery Every time u hit a target with 3 mutilates that u havent hit before u gain a stack of retirement. Once at 10 stacks of retirement ull gain permanent stealth and size + damage increased by 80% (because they start working out after retirement as theyre bored and due to previous work being very physical it only feels natural)

[ebon notch]

@limber lion thoughts?

he may need some meds

[subtle tundra]

professional help.

[burnt latch]

Why arent u guys more supportive

[ebon notch]

we are supportive

of you taking medication

[undone eagle]

Guys dinar coin can afford sylvannas dagger??

[storm onyx]

You can buy any 3 item in normal raid ilvl from the special vendor. Yea dagger is one of the items

[undone eagle]

oh it gives only normal difficulty items?

A guy told me mythic 😂

[storm onyx]

By “any” I mean listed sold items which are trinkets and weapons

[undone eagle]

yeah got you! ty 🙂

thats dope

so its only for normal difficulty item rewards?

[storm onyx]

No, you buy normal and upgrade it through the quest

[undone eagle]

Upgrade cost dinar aswell?

[storm onyx]

No, dinar is only for item purchases

[undone eagle]

which are the Upgrade currency?

[storm onyx]

Each Fated boss kill drops a quest item we combine to create the corresponding difficulty upgrade“mote” that you can use on the item of your choice

[ornate raptor]

Only drops on heroic or mythic

You need 20 to combine and upgrade item

[storm onyx]

Also, you get only 3 dinars all season. So plan accordingly

[undone eagle]

Ahaa is it 100% drop?

I see how it works, ty ^^

[storm onyx]

Yes

[undone eagle]

Cheers

Regarding PVP, they didn't add any new sets right?

[burnt latch]

I stopped because they were limiting my creativity

[ebon notch]

the kanye angle

[burnt latch]

They call me waryeezus

[ebon notch]

streaming raid today?

[limber lion]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Fuus Shadowlands evaluation Spreadsheet: http://tiny.cc/uxr1tz

[burnt latch]

not raiding tonight

[ebon notch]

i thought sundays?

[burnt latch]

we change it depending on what ppl want

mon tue this week

[undone eagle]

I can still farm Heroic raid bosses and still upgrade to mythic dinar item?

[ornate raptor]

You kill heroic bosses for heroic upgrades. As you buy the item from vendor on a normal base ilvl. If you have 20 mythic kills , you can upgrade your item to mythic level

[hexed frost]

With new posion bomb, shrouded suffocation and scent of blood in the talent tree, will assa be viable in M+?

[gusty mirage]

I mean it’s viable now

@subtle tundra cranked out high keys as assassination last season

[undone eagle]

is ambush even a thing for assa rogues nowadays??

i never use it

[hexed frost]

@subtle tundra is from another planet

[hexed frost]

Blindside and sepsis procs?

[gusty mirage]

But it’s looking good for assassination next expac

[undone eagle]

yeh but im venthyr

[gusty mirage]

I will be shrouding my suffocation for sure

[hexed frost]

Always good to try playing the OG rogue spec

[hexed frost]

Blindside

[gusty mirage]

Venthyr uses it never

[subtle tundra]

i will play more assa this season just not know!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[gusty mirage]

I believe

The assa prodigy young varas

[hexed frost]

Become outlaw supremacist

[subtle tundra]

fuck outlaw

[hexed frost]

[grizzled jay]

gm sinners

[burnt latch]

varas @subtle tundra why u saying things like this varas?

[subtle tundra]

I'm based

[uneven summit]

hmmm my mechagon rings sim less than 304 chest+duskwalker and 298 ring 😕

[limber lion]

298 backstab/haste mecha rings?

doubt it

[balmy condor]

Yeah that just isn’t a thing

If you have mecha rings they crush that

[uneven summit]

they are not max lvl that´s probably why

thought 288 would crush it too tho

[balmy condor]

Oh yeah no that’s sketch

The power of the rings are the free stats you get from the effect

But if you’re losing a fuck ton of stats equipping them

Not really that free anymore

[subtle tundra]

and maybe the rings youre comparing to have sockets while mecha ones dont

[oblique jackal]

is it worth it to play sin?

[vestal wren]

if the gameplay loop is fun to you ses

[oblique jackal]

the damage is compareable to outlaw or even sub

[vestal wren]

performance at least in raid for all 3 rogue specs is close enough

for m+ i think outlaw just dominates atm

[oblique jackal]

bc i see a lot of outlaw even in m+

[grizzled jay]

assassination has poopy AoE, it's a single-target spec. its fine in raid, you won't get invites to high keys as sin.

[leaden hornet]

Hopefully fixed in DF?

[grizzled jay]

depends on the types of dungeons we see in S1 and S2 as well as how strong Carnage is overall compared to what Sub and Outlaw bring

issue with current Sin tree imo right now is the fact you are either ST or AoE spec, whereas Outlaw gets to just do their ST rotation in AoE.

note that isn't an issue i think with design in the spec tree itself, just means Outlaw may continue to be "king" of M+ by its very design.

[vestal wren]

i am not a fan of these nodes

ttb might be not that bad because it reduces shiv cost

[grizzled jay]

from what i remember whispyr saying ttb outperforms a good number of other single talents. like main, mangle.

i like the idea since it increases your energy in your kingsbane window.

[fleet whale]

and as an added bonus, Shiv won't hit like a complete wet noodle

so it feels a little better to press i guess

[vestal wren]

oh, i don't think ttb is not a decent dps node

i just think its boring

i did not like the legendary too

[grizzled jay]

ye. also the fact we get 2 shivs, so having them both be free in Kingsbane window is pretty giga. but boring i suppose.

[vestal wren]

the energy cost reduction saves it

[grizzled jay]

mhm

do we have the 2 Shivs on alpha yet? wonder if they pandemic.

[vestal wren]

moment, ill check but i assume no

nope

does not have 2 stacks and goes on a regular cooldown when used

[grizzled jay]

kk

just hasn't bene added yet i guess

[vestal wren]

yes, a lot of the talents are just not working or only partly working

i did a round of testing earlier this week

one thing they changed from last week to this one was that you need to spend all points you have when selecting talents

also something that isn't obvious is that changing talents is a cast

because the cast bar is hidden below the talent frame

it is quite funny if you have the habit of closing windows with "esc" as you will see a "cast interrupted" indicator

(and need to start over doing the cast obv.)

[subtle tundra]

its ok they will fix when i get alpha

[ebon lichen]

Stupid question, is there a place to post/request UI from rogues? I want to redo mine and looking for different perspectives?

[grizzled jay]

can probably post in #wow-general but if it's a sin-specific UI (as in wanting to share keybinds for sin-specific abilities) don't see why it can't be posted here.

[balmy condor]

If you’re just looking for a ui there’s like a billion on wago

[ebon lichen]

Not necessarily a cookie cutter UI wago package. I make my own for 90% of, just looking to refresh since im swapping to rogue full time. Just wanted to see different examples and aee if theres anything i could/should implement thats better than i have.

[balmy condor]

the only thing I can think of atm aside from just tracking dots and cooldowns is a pandemic timer for the 4 piece

https://wago.io/rk2kEs76d

this one

[hearty junco]

are there any ST builds you guys have figured out yet with the info we know? yes i know it will change 5 times but id like something to look at

[vast loom]

Theres a lot but without known tuning its just speculation on what the correct choices are

[limber lion]

For Dragonflight? It's honestly all down to tuning in the end, so we'll have to wait for that. But @balmy condor wrote a fantastic article in Wowhead which goes over multiple different potential builds and why you would build the way he did.

https://www.wowhead.com/news/assassination-rogue-first-impression-of-the-new-assassination-talent-trees-in-328213?webhook

[hearty junco]

you sir i like

[limber lion]

Should give you a pretty good idea on what to look for.

[soft shale]

assasination basically has a lot of good juice on the tree

now it all depends on tuning

[vast loom]

Yeah there's only like 2-3 bad points on the tree

And they are still better than 1% stat

[hearty junco]

it looks fine, i for one like having TTB and 2 stacks of shiv

[vast loom]

Deathmark is just a good step in keeping bleeds and our dmg without forcing exsang

Style play

[grizzled jay]

Kinda crazy that Deathmark and Exsang are both on the talent tree when functionally they are the same.

Wonder if Exsang should be moved as a Choice Node for Deathmark and buffed slightly

[fleet whale]

yes, but if you take both of them, you could get a super duper exsang

[grizzled jay]

yeah i know. just usually you don't have two talents that are the exact same functionality be stackable is all. kinda interesting we do.

[oak sky]

they arent anything alike are you insane

[grizzled jay]

?

making bleeds tick 100% faster and having double bleeds tick the same rate is functionally the same for us

i know deathmark dupes DP but that's w/e

[oak sky]

no its

2 bleeds

like

double the damage

[grizzled jay]

uhh

[oak sky]

like it duplicates the bleed

[grizzled jay]

the math is the same. the point of exsang is getting "extra" bleed ticks you wouldn't otherwise have over a fight length. which is what deathmark also does.

[oak sky]

as if you had 2 garrotes on 1 target

2 ruptures on 1 target

except it also scales with lethal dose

and deathmark itself is additional damage as a bleed

[grizzled jay]

that's irrelevant to the discussion

[fleet whale]

Overall I do think Deathmark is a better ability than vendetta in terms of effects, but I do wonder if Vendetta may be a bigger loss than people realize
Vendetta, as boring as it was, was a very powerful ST CD and has been a big strong point for Sin rogues over the past few expacs

[grizzled jay]

i am talking about them as singular points

[oak sky]

deathmark is literally an extra bleed by itself

[grizzled jay]

Deathmark allows for more creative synergies which is why I like it more.

[fleet whale]

no doubt about it, again i prefer what deathmark does

[grizzled jay]

Like for the meme possibility of single target Scent of Blood since you get double the agility during DM

[fleet whale]

but Vendetta was a great progression CD, even if it sucked at the same time if you get my drift

[oak sky]

good but limited

if things died faster than the 20s it was up you lost a ton of value vs other class cds that werent a target debuff and could just swap targets more easily

[fleet whale]

yeah, but it was great in fights like N'zoth or Gul'dan

where sin rogues generally just sat on the boss

[marble hemlock]

they are not the same at all

exsang compresses the bleed, which makes it almost useless

deathmark just adds a second one

adding another bleed and compressing one bleed to just tick out faster, are very different in implementation and DPS benefits (and not just due to the synergy with stuff like lethal dose)

[grizzled jay]

If a fight lasts 10s and you can deal 10 damage in 5s then 10 damage in 5s vs. 20 damage in 10s that is effectively the same.

Exsang and Deathmark give you "extra" ticks that would not have ticked over the length of the fight. Realistically due to the CD difference (45s vs 2m) one will give you more "extra" bleed ticks than the other. Haven't done any math to figure out which does. One ticking twice as fast or one extra ticking at normal rate is the same effective # of ticks over the duration.

Obviously there are synergies that Deathmark has that Exsang doesn't. I am just talking strictly from a "what happens when I press this button" angle. They do different things but mathwise what they do to our damage is effectively the same.

It isn't 1:1 or anything, but it is just interesting they both co-exist imo.

[loud light]

I mean, just right off the bat exsang would need to be more than "double tick rate" to come out even in a 1-1 comparison just because that reapplied bleed is not exsang'd

[echo geyser]

daily

[oak sky]

Other things about deathmark is that it can copy buffed bleeds and you dont spend additional combo points and energy on applying extra garrotes and ruptures

[marble hemlock]

i mean yeah

deathmark actually gives you double buffed bleeds

exsanguinate doesnt

it just gives you extra unbuffed bleeds. awesome.

have hugely buffed bleed with 20 ticks, hit exsang, still 20 ticks. hit deathmark, 2x20 ticks. "basically the same"

[oak sky]

That would actually be another dogshit choice node

A cool thematic strong ability

And exsang

Giving you no strong cs

Cd

[soft shale]

isnt it better to have both so you can get all the ticks and also renew before mark ends? i though that was the idea

[marble hemlock]

if thats how it works

or supposed to work

[soft shale]

might be cool getting two buffed garrotes and ruptures and others then vanish and get 2 again

[oak sky]

I wouldn't mind overhang going away tbh

But whatever happens happens i guess

[plush delta]

devs give us back echoing blades plz

[fleet whale]

yeah replace flying daggers with echoing blades

[limber lion]

Hell no

Imagine wanting the most degenerate gameplay ever to have existed to return

[oak sky]

i want hidden blades 😈

[limber lion]

It's like Rain of Fire spam, except worse

[bleak sun]

https://tenor.com/view/satisfied-so-satisfying-gif-5752376

2dagger +mechagon ring set in one night

[vestal wren]

well, big gz

[subtle tundra]

@burnt latch hi

[gusty mirage]

@burnt latch hi

[burnt latch]

hi cutie @subtle tundra

hi handsome @gusty mirage

wanna see sth funny oxi

[gusty mirage]

You’re beautiful

Is it my heroic parses?

[burnt latch]

Eu Oxi > NA Oxi

based

[gusty mirage]

Wtf

[subtle tundra]

i got some many r2 and r3s last night it was depressing

boosting makes it hard to get r1

[gusty mirage]

My identity is getting stolen

[burnt latch]

ikr

my friend sent this to me to piss me off that some guy got eon

and i was like

u playing na now

[gusty mirage]

There’s a pally in NA running around with “bubbleoxii”

[burnt latch]

[gusty mirage]

My RL got a heroic eon from his weekly in his box

On his alt rogue that he’d been playing for 3 days

[burnt latch]

its always the newbie rogues

my guildie picked up his rogue

after like 1 year

and got eon on our hc clear

[gusty mirage]

Wtf

I’m paying for my sins last tier

My warrior got the first heroic gavel in the guild

[burnt latch]

I've not had a single lucky tier with loot

[gusty mirage]

From the weekly

And I never played him again after

[burnt latch]

DF S1 im gonna be BUSSIN

[gusty mirage]

It’s blizz limiting your power

Too strong

@subtle tundra sin keys when,

[subtle tundra]

ill start playing more in september

[gusty mirage]

[subtle tundra]

august 20-31 greece vacation

[burnt latch]

TRUTH

where in greece

[subtle tundra]

not telling you dont want some warcief surprise

handholding on the beach

[burnt latch]

brother if I had money to fly there I'd come

[subtle tundra]

i guess saying "on an island" wont narrow it at all

[burnt latch]

oh cool those are the best spots in greece usually

Mykonos

is nice

cheap booze

nice views

good bars

[subtle tundra]

i dont want beer anymore i got fat

i used to be ~72 kgs im 78 now

💀

[burnt latch]

whats a vacation down south without beer

allow yourself to endulge in some Mythos

20 cents a bottle

lovely

[subtle tundra]

wtf

WAHT

ok

screw diet

[burnt latch]

exactly

now youre talking

[subtle tundra]

im getting the most out of my money

[burnt latch]

Mythos is so good aswell really like it

went to Ayia Napa couple of years back

Mythos was the name of the game

and ofc a cheeky Smirnoff Ice

[subtle tundra]

yea 10 days with the boys will be enough to taste em all

[burnt latch]

idd

[gray crest]

If it makes you feel better oxi, his rogue is higher ilvl than me

But then again almost everyone is

[bleak sky]

slacking smh my head

[spice spire]

Mage main in rogue chat 🤨

[vestal wren]

maybe future rogue main

[gusty mirage]

Okay wow

Like imma let two arms warriors shit talk my boy roujin

[spice spire]

Nah Roujin is a rogue

But mage this season

[spice spire]

🤨

[gusty mirage]

Do you blame him

[spice spire]

I’m still a rogue rn

Nah

It’s a throwaway season

I’d not be a rogue if it wasn’t necessary to down the early bosses

[gusty mirage]

You do necessary damage?

It feels like the beginning of season 3 again

I feel like I contribute nothing

[vestal wren]

you need to start playing #outlaw 😛

[gusty mirage]

You’d think that

Until you look at my heroic outlaw parses

[spice spire]

You’re just rusty

You’re a decent outlaw player. And I do necessary damage for my guild

[gusty mirage]

No I actually have no idea how to play outlaw. I just press my buttons

[spice spire]

So you play outlaw 🤨

[gusty mirage]

[vestal wren]

press cooldowns on cooldown

[gusty mirage]

My RL asks me all these niche questions

And I’m like bro idk I just press CDs on CD

Mob at 15%? AR on CD

[spice spire]

Send him the video

[gusty mirage]

[vestal wren]

just:

[gusty mirage]

Like if I miss out on 200 dps who cares

If it’s a dungeon there’s a survival hunter or monk there anyway

[spice spire]

Oxi in raid

(The 72 is his heroic outlaw parse apparently)

[echo geyser]

[spice spire]

[gusty mirage]

Okay wow expose me

[spice spire]

Buddy I wish

[gusty mirage]

Yeah I’m sure there’s things I could fix

But I also don’t care enough

[echo geyser]

[gusty mirage]

I want shadowlands to be over already

[spice spire]

Based

[gusty mirage]

I’m just happy venthyr outlaw is fun in keys

[spice spire]

I’m lowkey enjoying keys this season tho

Since half of them are brand new to me

[vestal wren]

i don't want to be negative towards shadowlands, but i wonder how many will stop after 3rd/4th week of fated

[gusty mirage]

When I learned that the 30 boss kills gets me a normal item I already was over this fated raid system

[vestal wren]

i think they did set it too high

for how short the season is

[gusty mirage]

Yeah 3 weeks for a 278/285 item feels awful

Then you need 2 weeks of full mythic clears to get the upgrade lol

[vestal wren]

the upgrade item also feels like it takes too long

you can ask koji how he thinks of it

[gusty mirage]

Koji and I are in the same boat

I have 12 mythic upgrade tokens

[vestal wren]

i think koji had a good point tbh

[gusty mirage]

And I highly doubt we kill anduin this coming week

[vestal wren]

the system rewards those who are lucky

[gusty mirage]

So no mythic eon for me until next week

[vestal wren]

what is kind of the issue

[gusty mirage]

I think even 15 would’ve been fine. There’s 31 bosses in the 3 week rotation

[vestal wren]

10 or 15 would be perfectly fine ye

[gusty mirage]

I do hope they keep the dinar system and the upgrade system though

I’d rather have it like this than previous tiers

I saw 1 mythic eon drop in 13 kills

[spice spire]

https://twitter.com/qwik/status/1558974535726092288?s=21&t=jXBVDhRLAiPDPAzVXAyXiw

Mike Ybarra (@Qwik)

So, Season 4 of @Warcraft - some new ideas and approaches this late of an expansion. What do you like? What do you dislike? What and how would you change things? Adding @TheWindstalker @JHight_Gamer @WatcherDev @RealPatDawson to see ideas and thoughts. #WoW

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Twitter · Aug 15, 2022, 12:31 AM

Voice opinion

[gusty mirage]

I’ll just tag him in here

[spice spire]

There are certainly some very good things here, and some things that could be tweaked

[marble hemlock]

i have one

[spice spire]

The direct link

[marble hemlock]

but its not one i can post here

[gusty mirage]

[spice spire]

Seli gonna have a gamer moment

[ebon notch]

[vestal wren]

masterloot

[ebon notch]

i love how much damage outlaw is doing now though

i feel like over the length of a key i can actually compete

[bleak sky]

outlaw in streets

[ebon notch]

outlaw in iron docks

and lower

and upper

[spice spire]

#outlaw 🤨

[ebon notch]

and grimrail

[spice spire]

(I kid)

[ebon notch]

wtf oxi was just talking about it

[spice spire]

He’s built diff tho

[ebon notch]

understandable

[gusty mirage]

only key it feels like shit in is gambit

[ebon notch]

yes 100%

you're literally a bonespike simulator

[gusty mirage]

also wait until tanks learn the degen shit people used to do in lower

back in legion

pull all of the stables

aoe it down

[ebon notch]

you cant even use GSW properly cause you're bonespiking so much

[gusty mirage]

los the unavoidable damage

[ebon notch]

true

there are a lot of strats that people will need to relearn

[gusty mirage]

I have some lower kara tech

and grimrail tech

and iron dicks tech

[ebon notch]

please give grimrail tech

i fucking hate it

[echo geyser]

[ebon notch]

sanguine in that tight corridor

all the frontals

[gusty mirage]

lower kara tech is step 1 have a druid

[ebon notch]

the fire

[gusty mirage]

step 2 have a rogue

shroud & roar, then invis pot to pack right before opera

have healer start opera

pull infiltrator pack

pull until zugagagagagagaga down below

then die and jump down to moroes, and pretty much full clear everything except the elemental dudes

unfortunate pet pathing cost us +22 lower last night

also if you have a WW monk you cannot fight the back stage trash on the stage

SEF falls through the stage and suddenly you have 20+ mobs running at you

[ebon notch]

bro i remember recently one of my guildies was like

"i can target those mobs!"

"oh no"

a stampede of mobs come onto the stage

[bleak sky]

what a great game

honestly

fantastic stuff

[gusty mirage]

if it didn't happen in legion

I'd have been more surprised

tank goes to pull them out

and I'm like "did they fix the bug?"

"What bug?"

[bleak sky]

as a warrior you can also heroic leap under the train in grimrail

[gusty mirage]

a legion of dead actors + firelands mobs + zugagagaga + an infiltrator come running up

like huh

guess not

[bleak sky]

leap -> clip under the train

[gusty mirage]

my fav grimrail bug

is 2nd boss not spawning adds

so you have to DPS the cannon

[bleak sky]

OH SO THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED

really fantastic dungeons

whoever voted for grimrail needs to be banned

[gusty mirage]

I appreciate everyone in the community that voted for iron docks and grimrail depot

but for world peace, I'mma need them to list their full legal names so I can put them on a terrorist list

[bleak sky]

I don't mind iron docks at all, it's a real fast dungeon

grimrail is just so shit though

[gusty mirage]

iron docks is awful

[bleak sky]

half the affixes are unplayable there

sanguine? dead key

quaking? dead key

spiteful? dead key

[gusty mirage]

storming?

[bleak sky]

dead key

[gusty mirage]

get stormed off the train

[bleak sky]

[gusty mirage]

its fine

you only have 4 more months of this garbage

[bleak sky]

grimrail and both kara are the shittiest dungeons i've ran so far

[gusty mirage]

kara is fine

lower trash needs a nerf bat

but besides that it's free af

[bleak sky]

upper kara first boss is aids

[gusty mirage]

lower timer makes the dos timer blush

[bleak sky]

the hitbox on the circle is incredibly fucked

[gusty mirage]

yeah it is

but so's every ground effect in the game

[bleak sky]

true

[gusty mirage]

I remember getting jebaited by the giant stomps in freehold

dying outside of the swirly

so now I just full clear that shit

I don't risk it

[bleak sky]

my biggest wish for DF is for hitboxes to be good

[vestal wren]

good visuals for hitboxes and raid mechanics def. nice

[spice spire]

Grimrail is actually a huge troll dungeon.
Had a tank pull mobs between the cars so the flame cannons just melted everyone

Very skilled 🙂

[gusty mirage]

@ebon notch want me to show you the grimrail tech

what if I told you there's a way to pull zugagagagamesh & the other infiltrator & one of the bomber dudes before first boss?

[burnt latch]

thats old tech brother

[ebon notch]

i heard about it

[burnt latch]

been doin that still

[ebon notch]

but i havent seen it in action

[burnt latch]

styll

[bleak sky]

just cast at it

[ebon notch]

a healer tried it yesterday

and it didnt work

[gusty mirage]

part of the wall is invisible

lol

like

it's there but not there

[burnt latch]

styLL

[subtle tundra]

honestly grimrail aint that bad

only place where its annoying is start of 2nd boss

but it doesnt matter since there's no mechanics

[burnt latch]

good take as always varas @subtle tundra

[teal kettle]

fortified docks is the true terror

[ebon notch]

@gusty mirage i vanished the first fixate on 2nd boss

and he didnt spawn any adds

at all

[gusty mirage]

yep

great boss

[spice spire]

You ain’t ever ran a grimrail where the tank pulled the adds in between the carts, kept them@there for flame cannons and you had two hunters pulling 8 and 10k

[ebon notch]

filtered out the cannon damage

and grenades

not having people cheat my details

[subtle tundra]

I don't pug

[spice spire]

Most sane key gamer

[subtle tundra]

I have suffered enough past expa sions

[ebon notch]

pls change ur profile pic varas

the deep is triggering me

[spice spire]

How can you be triggered if you wield knives?

Deep thoughts with the deep

[bleak sky]

shut your whore mouth

grimrail is incredibly shit

camera angles suck, stupid narrow train, los works half of the time

[subtle tundra]

dont care about los, blame healer if he cant heal

[spice spire]

God bless

You’re having some based takes today

[violet jackal]

I did a flawless 18 in 18 min for grimrail yesterday it felt magical

[subtle tundra]

we literally almost timed 25 first time going in fortifed with DOUBLE FULL wipe + death running into pack

and that was only cause we double pulled to test if its doable

the key is omega free

mobs dont do anything

its 1 frontal and 1 shit on the ground

[bleak sky]

yes key is free

but it's a shit key

[soft shale]

meanwhile iron docks you need omega dps to even time

[violet jackal]

Just skip the big dreadlord ez time

[fallow canopy]

the packs before the first boss in ID feels overtuned

but I'm a scrub so idk

[gusty mirage]

no you don't

stop pulling bad trash

[balmy condor]

It’s all dodgable for the most part

Frontals or targeted charges

[violet jackal]

Or stunnable

[balmy condor]

Yeah

[gusty mirage]

the incinerators are the only ones that are rough

you just need your tank to stop thinking he's Naowh

the scariest trash in the dungeon is actually after 2nd boss

those wranglers can 2 shot your tank

[balmy condor]

(Impossible challenge)

[fallow canopy]

the spear bleed is scary but I feel like besides those the yaks and the hydras don't do much

[gusty mirage]

it's not even the bleed

their "throw" ability hits for 40k

and they spam it

[fallow canopy]

yikes

[gusty mirage]

it's like throw coin in lower kara before they removed it lmao

legit same mechanic, just a spammable uninterruptable cast

that deletes your tank

[fallow canopy]

There's a lot of those in the season, the troggs in mechagon do the same I think except they target randomly

[balmy condor]

Except coin throw was half magic damage as well

[spice spire]

Yeah I learned about that this weekend - solution vendetta every wrangler possible

[gusty mirage]

weird your solution is to do no damage in a dungeon?

[spice spire]

[balmy condor]

I don’t have that button on outlaw

[spice spire]

Adrenaline rush

It’s a cooldown

[gusty mirage]

useless cooldown

change my mind

[spice spire]

More energy = better right?

[balmy condor]

I will play ghostly strike in keys for the prio damage

[gusty mirage]

yeah except when you don't proc on your sinister strike

so you're still energy starved with AR

[spice spire]

[gusty mirage]

great spec design

[spice spire]

I can tell when it happens when I run keys with doz

[gusty mirage]

just track his flag stacks

[spice spire]

I’m like man “I dealt 4K more damage that pack” nice

[fallow canopy]

Kinda off topic but is Outlaw still dangerous for old man wrists?

[balmy condor]

Ye

Especially if you play necro

[gusty mirage]

very on topic

I played outlaw first week

carpal tunnel flared up bad

good stuff

[fallow canopy]

yeah I'll keep playing sin then

[spice spire]

Sin (in keys) is only marginally better and with way worse damage imo

Sub feels like the boomer spec rn

But raid, sin is infinitely more manageable

[fallow canopy]

I feel like I kinda blast on bosses or on packs that don't get instagibbed

[balmy condor]

I don’t mean to brag but my maplestory main presses 2 buttons and like 10 cooldowns

Very carpal tunnel friendly

[ebon notch]

@earnest remnant

[spice spire]

Damn

Pulled the @ too

[fallow canopy]

Besides on sin I get to be the top alliance sin in m+ on my server ||There are only 10 ||

[earnest remnant]

im not old tho

[spice spire]

We have 75 total

On a fairly large server

[soft shale]

we found out quite cool things while trying to time it you can LoS the hammer/axe throws and also interrupt the charge of footmans with stuns etc

best one is all casters stacked and a hunter freeze trap in front

or monk ring of peace or if shaman/priest are fast they can knock them back while charging

for the hammer/axe throws while doing 1st boss you can also LoS them somwhat

or do it the old fashioned way of if 2 or more target same person cc one of them

[winter hill]

yes, i highly recommend having one of the more used abilities on mouse to make it easier. pistol shot, dispatch etc

[fleet whale]

So I think in DF, for Tauren rogues, mutilate should be renamed to “mootilate”

[dull cloak]

how can you be sneaky when you got hooves

[gusty mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/get-out-leave-gtfo-get-out-of-here-gif-6207127

[timber socket]

whats the best options for a secondary trinket? meaning something i dont have to click

[spice spire]

Uh.
Decanter, eye of command?
Uh? Not a ton of passive trinkets , now that I think about it

[violet jackal]

On use ring, on use bracer, On use cape, who thought all this would be fun to play -_-

[balmy condor]

decanter and eye of command would be the play yeah

[timber socket]

strife supposed to be bis?

[gusty mirage]

the ring sucks, the bracers are trash, and the cloak is an hour version of your hearthstone

[balmy condor]

yes

[timber socket]

so we go with strife and amplifier in a perfect world right?

[gusty mirage]

scars/decanter in a perfect world

[soft shale]

scars is pog

[viral aurora]

guys for m+, you stacking vers or mastery after crit?

[gusty mirage]

vers was giga nerfed, not worth unless you need the tankiness from it

[viral aurora]

not talking about the affix thingie, but on gear

[gusty mirage]

oh

mastery

[balmy condor]

vers is a bad stat generally

[viral aurora]

ty! appreciate it. gonna play a bit of assa to switch it up a bit

[brazen zodiac]

epic

[brazen zodiac]

ima need the ss # too tbh

[distant plinth]

How is assa in keys? Tried to find s YouTube video of a assa rogue run but couldnt find any

[subtle tundra]

mmmm

[distant plinth]

Im gearing my rogue till i Get dobbel Edge of Night

[balmy condor]

That should be your first red flag

[soft shale]

it is better than guardian druid as dps

[fleet whale]

how to play assassin in Keys:

Step 1: open talent panel

step 2: Click on outlaw

[marble hemlock]

Disgusting

[balmy condor]

but correct

[soft shale]

well at least assa does cleave

[winter hill]

do not worry guys. assa in m+ dragonflight, best spec

[marble hemlock]

Heretic

[fleet whale]

it doesn't help that outlaw aoe is much easier to execute compared to sin's aoe rotation

[oak sky]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Fuus Shadowlands evaluation Spreadsheet: http://tiny.cc/uxr1tz

[broken flame]

Assassination isn't half bad in keys though

I do get a lot of questions about playing Sin in keys though

[marble hemlock]

like "why are you playing sin?"

[broken flame]

Stuff like this

[vast loom]

It is indeed sus

[balmy condor]

he's not wrong

kinda sus

[broken flame]

still pumping though

Was a lower Kara 18

[marble hemlock]

beating tank by 2.5k

[broken flame]

[balmy condor]

IMAGINE THE PRIO DAMAGE

[broken flame]

Big vendetta's

[balmy condor]

so your job is what

killing dreadlords and afking the rest of the dungeon?

[broken flame]

I guess

[marble hemlock]

killing the ability to time higher keys

[broken flame]

Haven't given Outlaw a try since Legion tbh

[balmy condor]

me either

but I had a 239 mainhand

and just hit buttons

and did about the same if not better than my sin

[oak sky]

i have a 278 weapon still

[subtle tundra]

youre just bad at sin tbh

dont make me go pop off in dungeons

[balmy condor]

yeah true

I'm bad at game

[brazen zodiac]

do it

no balls

[timid cloud]

Dare you to do a 30 as Sin, Varas.

& time it.*

[deft vault]

are the shoulders from iron docks actually in the loot table?

[strange python]

@balmy condor what happened to California #1

[strange python]

I've been fucking around with it because of tuning and it seems legit easy

[balmy condor]

I got changed back to whispyr

[strange python]

Why :(

[balmy condor]

it was the will of the people

[strange python]

I'm a people

[plush delta]

are the mechagon bracers strong like the rings are? or are bracers with stats better

[woeful meteor]

Bracers with Stats are better, but assuming BIS Bracers are ur unity spot

[dawn kelp]

is the adrenaline trinket a good option to go to? seems to simwell as a m+ drop and saw its getting an agi buff

[balmy condor]

yes

[cerulean nest]

actual top outlaw theorycrafting

[balmy condor]

pinnacle of outlaw theorycrafting is actually "in this specific situation that happens once every other key, you'll want to keep this roll the bonus effect if you're necro and at the end of an aoe pack where you're getting consistent sbs resets"

[cerulean nest]

for literally +15 dps

[vast loom]

I too read #tc-research

[balmy condor]

to be fair, you have to have a very high iq to understand outlaw

[cerulean nest]

im very glad im the only rogue in my guild who loves sin, let them enjoy that mess

[vast loom]

I like Sin, i just dont mind outlaw either nad it does big dmg

[cerulean nest]

it just doesnt feel rewarding to me. its fun but the difference between doing well and doing bad is very small compared to the other specs

theres nothing to plan ahead for

[vast loom]

yeah, i can see that, i like the flow of just pressing the buttons and reading my Rolls lol

i like having a lot of rolls all the time, its not uncommon to sit at 2-4 rolls

[oak sky]

Outlaw is in a pretty easy state rn feels lile

Like

[hidden hound]

Hey guys, I'm thinking of having an assasination rogue as my alt and possibly my main for DF if I don't like dragon. I'm playing alliance, what race should I pick idk which one I want I like them all

Is there any Race in particular that benefits from being an ass rogue or that kind of thing even just looks

[balmy condor]

there isn't really any major benefit to races

they each bring something

[grim tangle]

I just went human this tier for the 10% reputation buff because I am very lazy

[balmy condor]

dark iron dwarf has some cheese with the bleed removal

night elf has meld, that can be a little good

but damage wise everything is within about 0.6%

so really no point in trying to wrack your brain over it

[hidden hound]

I just don't know what race to play lol I like the way they all look lol

I don't care about the min max stuff

[balmy condor]

well then I'm afraid the only person who can help you is yourself

[hidden hound]

Damn lol I just know I really want the Sylv daggers as assassination rogue once I get it leveled yeah?

[balmy condor]

yeh

[grizzled jay]

Top gear is recommending me Mastery gems

wtf lol

[balmy condor]

happens

I think all stats for sin are within like 5%

ilvl god tier

[grizzled jay]

ye its recommending mastery gem in dustwalker ring over crit. but crit enchant. weirdge.

[balmy condor]

so it's within margin then

[grizzled jay]

ye

i just didnt expect mastery over haste if one of the stats is over crit. tho i think im hitting dr.

[balmy condor]

that's even less weird then

it's within margin

I don't get it

[grizzled jay]

do i full send mastery for M+ then kekw

[balmy condor]

do whatever you want

but the difference between 16 mastery and 16 crit is so miniscule you could change all of your gems and enchants and probably walk away with 0.2% difference

[grizzled jay]

giga

[grim coral]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[spice spire]

Worth the mental gymnastics ong

[burnt latch]

@spice spire

My ear hurts

[vestal wren]

what did you do to your ear

[burnt latch]

I dont know

Nothing I think

Its just gotten sore over the last 3 days or so

:/

[uneven summit]

So the buff to Kihras surely makes it either bis or top tier? (was good allready)

[limber lion]

Definitely top tier yeah, probs still loses to scars because the trinket's dumb

[burnt latch]

morning cev

[limber lion]

But Scars is terrible to use and you will not get full potential out of it in real encounters

[limber lion]

Yo

[burnt latch]

i ordered breakfast from picnic for 25 euro

thoughts

[oak sky]

hateful chain fusion amp enjoyers

[limber lion]

Wtf did you buy

[burnt latch]

they had some breakfast deluxe package for 20 euro + 5 euro for chai latte

got a croissant with cheese and ham, a yogurth, a smoothie, a muffin and a juice

[oak sky]

proczieft stay winning

[burnt latch]

on god

[oak sky]

tomorrow is a common proczieft W (monk trees prob)

[burnt latch]

not only that

but also a rare Felcieft W

(probs DH trees too)

surely proczcieft gets alpha access with the release of the talents

[oak sky]

most of the datamining has been monk i htink

not a lot on dh yet

[burnt latch]

hmm

[oak sky]

prob because a lot of new abilities are coming

[burnt latch]

unluck for felcieft i guess

another proczcieft dub

felcieft has been spotted in +15 upper kara groups as vengeance, in shambles

[oak sky]

but dh will be banger

with realz making the new shit

[burnt latch]

i just want something else than eye beam 3 rotation dh

[uneven summit]

Yeah so Kihras + Decanter would be the most diserable, or did hateful chain + Amp go ham?

[oak sky]

think they confirmed extending sinful brand is dead in DF

[burnt latch]

yeah but that doesnt exclude the possibility of demonic staying the go to option

[balmy condor]

Kihra + decanter

[oak sky]

sinful brand might come back but it won't exist how it does now

[burnt latch]

ppl were playing the same 3 button build before sinful was a thing

[oak sky]

ye

im sure theres gonna be new shit since dh doesnt have a bunch of expansions of old abilities and passives

[uneven summit]

yeah thought so, thanks 🙂 unfortunally no decanter this week on either mythic or HC..

[oak sky]

also expecting it to still be kinda simple tho

[burnt latch]

possible yeah

[oak sky]

but thats ok

as long as its cool

i could see myself playing dh if it looks fun honestly

[burnt latch]

ye i think for df ill prep 2 rogues, dh and monk

[oak sky]

im not gonna prep anything specific

[burnt latch]

so hopefully monk and dh have good talents

[oak sky]

im just gonna be ready to play rogue and ill pick one thing to alt for 10.0

[burnt latch]

fair

[oak sky]

prob dk or monk

[burnt latch]

my guild reguires 3-4 characters for prog

so gotta prep a few

[oak sky]

dk and monk are my favorite like thematically and playstyle wise

besides rogue

[burnt latch]

I cant get myself to like DK, monk and DH are a vibe tho

[oak sky]

dk is nice and simple

i can enjoy that

and tbh undead arthas minion or whatever dk story is makes me batchest

[burnt latch]

its mainly breath that makes me hate the spec

I actually enjoy unholy

[oak sky]

i havent really played dk in real content because i dont have gold on the server where my dk is

[burnt latch]

okay let me explain how breath feels

[oak sky]

ive seen it

[burnt latch]

think about how vendetta feels rn

[oak sky]

i know its rng

[burnt latch]

with 4p

[oak sky]

its like 4p except it drops if you fuck up

or get unlucky

[burnt latch]

imagine if u dropped rupture or garrote during vendetta that would make your vendetta dissapear

[oak sky]

yeah

i get it

[burnt latch]

its so bad

[oak sky]

breath is such a sick ability tho which makes it kinda sad

[burnt latch]

ye

honestly

make it a 1 min cd

and lower the damage

to make it less punishing

[oak sky]

1min breath would be so much nicer especially if it was a sick aoe m+ thing normally

but ive heard oblit build is kinda boring tho

so idk

[burnt latch]

i dont hate the oblit build tbh

its rly fast apm

which is cool

and reactive

[oak sky]

reactive

seal fate

[burnt latch]

[balmy condor]

you enchanted both profiles

but yeah

[vestal wren]

wdym?

[balmy condor]

scars is still better like cev said with perfect play

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trinket1=",id=109997,bonus_id=6652,ilevel=304,enchant=18agi"

copy="injector2,default"
trinket1=",id=109997,bonus_id=6652,ilevel=304,enchant=18agi"```

[oak sky]

how about fusion amp

it was simming giga close to scars for me

[balmy condor]

well fusion amp didn't get buffed

so whatever it was before

[oak sky]

nah i meant

is fusion amp better than those 2 trinkets

that got buffed

[vestal wren]

i am not following, anything wrong with my copy?

[balmy condor]

about the same

[balmy condor]

I assume injector is the pre-buff and injector2 is the post-buff right?

[vestal wren]

oh no

you are right

i forgot to change the trinket slots

i wanted to check both slots

[balmy condor]

oh those are slots

[vestal wren]

thanks tho, that makes a lot more sense ^^

[balmy condor]

np

[vestal wren]

but also i think i found a better approach

[balmy condor]

editing the top gear? :P