pvp

[dapper chasm]

That's the wrong kind of racism

Racism should be used to bring people together, not childish mocking

https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxGk6SoySn1iQPwAUi0t86NDgdzNsdgkuf?si=ebXRZQOafLeieTJN

[jolly sierra]

???

[dapper chasm]

Mage, we would never mock an accent with cheap immitation

The Indian accent is the culmination of thousands of years of linguistic history

Much better to attack that history and the people directly

[jolly sierra]

are u serious

lol

[dapper chasm]

As cancer

[jolly sierra]

damn dude

thought u were the south park kind of guy, not the one taking stuff so seriously when is convenient

[dapper chasm]

Oh, "serious" serious

No

No, I don't do "serious" serious

[dapper chasm]

https://tenor.com/view/disapprove-disappointment-baby-judgey-judging-gif-26903319

[halcyon timber]

I can’t tell if that dude is an adult or very expressive child

[jolly sierra]

both

[halcyon timber]

Wild the technician in here, good stuff man

Rogues do stun support and tech support look at that

[jolly sierra]

https://tenor.com/view/briga-gif-26942384

https://tenor.com/view/honeycardi-hasbulla-gif-22299970

[halcyon timber]

Whacha boys up to? I just got done w school but need to do class work

[jolly sierra]

its a kid which reached inmortality basically

[jolly sierra]

waiting the guys for the dnd session

[dapper chasm]

Some psychoanalysts have stated that to be the goal, you know

[halcyon timber]

Yeah boy that’s exciting

You guys deep in your campaign?

[jolly sierra]

nah, barely starting

[halcyon timber]

Or just started? I took some time to do some film stuff

Advanced rigging is rough but worth it

[jolly sierra]

we ended in some mid eastern bar and were kidnapped

so we are now playing chess and threatened with being gunshotted if we move more than needed

[halcyon timber]

Ha I dig it.

[steel scarab]

Lol

[halcyon timber]

Im listening to C3 crit role atm catching up on stuff

Ive got a “long” break coming up for summer so ill just be working and polishing story stuff and vfx for TWW .

[jolly sierra]

oof

that sounds interesting

[halcyon timber]

Isle of dorn is huge

Hallowfall is an incredible place too

Yeah, making master rigs and doing facial posing so I can animate and do the voices a lot easier. Just very time consuming

Any progress today @steel scarab

Saw you were close man

[steel scarab]

Sadly no, at work

[halcyon timber]

Crap

[steel scarab]

I ended up winning a lot more by giving up on Mutilate and speccing back to Fan of Knives

I wasted a lot of queue time trying to win with Mutilate

[halcyon timber]

Yeh experimental for skirms and bgs for sure

[steel scarab]

Absolutely

[halcyon timber]

Fatebound /Deathstalker may bridge the gap but we will see.

[surreal barn]

Never go full mutilate man

[halcyon timber]

Cb pt gen from FB might help alleviate some of that but who knows. Deal Fate is pretty slick and saved a “ fair”amount of energy and the new psn talent did put a good amount of punch into envenoms

https://www.wowhead.com/beta/spell=455072/rapid-injection adds 15% in the actual game (at the time of testing few days ago). DTB shiv windows using FB tree gave around 340k fat envenoms. Allowed for assass to pretty much “have” 7 cb pts with deeper strategem and felt comparable to other rogue finishers (evisc / dispatch). AMP psn et al.,

[dapper chasm]

Now that I've used it for a while - I freakin love Shadowy Duel in PvP

The top use being to not stun your opponent in it, but pop Cloak/Evasion and just rail on them while they flail about

Really recreates that murdering-someone feeling

But I don't notice a lot of other rogues running Veil of Midnight?

It kinda seems busted to me, so maybe I'm not seeing something properly

[halcyon timber]

After evasion was removed from it, a lot of people swapped off it

[dapper chasm]

What do you mean?

[surreal barn]

It use to make you invulnerable to everything except stuns

For the entire buff

[dapper chasm]

...

Yeah, that's insane

Right now though, it's bloody good

[strange stag]

Yooo ! How hard is outlaw in shuffle rn ?

[steel scarab]

Rogue is hard in shuffle period

[idle root]

are we (assassin) supposed to refresh rupture before pandemic just for internal bleeding?

[stoic spruce]

Outlaw is a good spec but not really a shuffle spec

It workstm

You're a CC bot for the dh you always get

@wintry dew secured the bag (burger king)

[wintry dew]

Fuck yes brother, lets go

meanwhile, i killed garrosh

#1240570632798736385 message

[harsh steppe]

https://tenor.com/view/burger-king-gif-27423134

[waxen meteor]

No

[jolly sierra]

no

[idle root]

gotcha, ty

[waxen meteor]

Use rupture when it expires or very close to expire. Refresh before it expires happens in rare scenarios like you enable dance and do triple big garrote then you can refresh and add triple big rupture as well since rupture dmg is a snapshot of cast time (benefit from nightstlaker)

In general you don’t spend CPs to only add inner bleed, it’s nice to have dmg only don’t pursue that

Also kidney adds inner bleed too between your rupture inner bleeds

[idle root]

hmm interesting, so i just keep rupture/ct up and slam envenoms

thought there could be some shenanigans with internal bleeding

ty

[waxen meteor]

Garrot too, super big part

But anyway you have a lot of CPs to slam lots of envenoms then you probably play it wrong somewhere

We don’t have that many CPs to spare with CT build

[neat dove]

went from 1640 to 1340 in a few hours

had one SS lobby where I had 1 win but 2 killing blows

[wintry dew]

thats how much the game hates you

[stoic spruce]

Just don't rage queue

[neat dove]

no i must requeue

also not raging

sometimes it do be like that but ill get back up there eventually

[waxen meteor]

That’s rage queue

Tbh if you are on a unlucky losing streak, most time it’s better to just relax do sth else and come back another day

When you rage queue most people tends to zug harder …

Mostly it won’t do any good for rogue

[neat dove]

bigger problem might be the time of day (2:30 am)

[stoic spruce]

Can't be that, normal people are up at normal times (7:39pm)

[tawdry lodge]

what is the best ass burst rotation, im getting mixed answers fron skillcap, youtube, and icyvein, idk which one to believe

when to kingsbane and death mark relative to shadow dance

should shiv be used during shadowdance or before?

[neat dove]

during and before kingsbane

though kingsbane initial damage isnt what it used to be

[neat dove]

also depends on the talent build i guess but im assuming you run all the talents that increase shiv damage?

[tawdry lodge]

yes sir

[steel scarab]

@tawdry lodge the best ass burst rotation generally involves a lot of experience and a generous amount of water-based lubricant

[surreal barn]

Miralax best rogue name

You’re welcome whoever gets it

[steel scarab]

Because you make your target shit itself?

[potent pivot]

[surreal barn]

Can even use Smelly title

[waxen meteor]

it's kinda funny how people don;t know us still

for sin

just had a lobby at 2.3+ with alt

i am with marksman vs sin + sp

both healer and marksman was, the problem is sin rogue

go at him

i was like yeah, then sin can go free and bigger aoe without even come to me

and leave SP free cast pfff

but they insisted lol

[steel scarab]

Sin dies much easier than SP

So

They weren't technically wrong

[stoic spruce]

Imagine letting an assa rogue live in df season 4

[waxen meteor]

Nuh, not that easy

Especially when you leave SP open

Sin just enters 3 gang and CT

too easy game

[stoic spruce]

There's a difference between leaving sp open and killing assa

[waxen meteor]

yeah totally but apparently people at 2.3 doesn't understand

this season pvp is at new lowbie

[stoic spruce]

That's such a crazy statement that's totally valid

"People at 2.3k don't know better"

Lol

[waxen meteor]

and that fucking hunter just stays with healer all time

and they don't attack SP at all

so i had to go to sin as well

then he just CT like a hell

and SP enables aoe healing as well

pfffff

they don't even know how SP/Sin works

but keeps trying to lead team

btw i hate pve

i entered first round with my 493 pve gear because i was also trying to queue to get my rings to 535 in myth

sucks

[stoic spruce]

Get punished for strafe spamming

[safe pelican]

Lmao strafe spam in my blood

I’m done pveing, I always feel like I wasted hours of my life/day when i log after pve Vs pvp

At least when I pvp i get the satisfaction of shit talking and ruining ppls day 😂

[sick wasp]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=znKitSvWLDA uwu first voice coms @chrome schooner

another good one my man 👌

[safe pelican]

• gets notepad out *

[stoic spruce]

Someone at the plant I work at got suspended for saying uwu into the radio lol

[sick wasp]

😂

fr?

[stoic spruce]

Yeah, I had to escort them off the property lol

[sick wasp]

[stoic spruce]

That was the greatest report ever

I hear "uwu" on the radio, 10 minutes later I get "security can you come to the head office?"

[safe pelican]

Waiittttttt a hot minute

Meld gives you the garrote proc ???

I see he meld stealthed but that’s pretty smart i feel like that could be a game changer especially with the silence , I’m running assass on my orc rn but might have to switch to NE i fw that

[steel scarab]

It's hard to use well at first so be prepared to lose a lot of games fucking up Shadowmeld until you get good at it

[halcyon timber]

Should have paintballed them in the speedbag too

[sick wasp]

So we boys think we are good rogues and all(and we might be)but Oscar is a mfking scary freak.He calls the cds live,on twitchhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vn8CUnR4Srk

[dapper chasm]

pls no spoilers

[wintry dew]

Whazz is literally spoiling everyone

[steel scarab]

Self reminder: do not try to play SS after a 12 hour shift

Brain does not cooperate

[dapper chasm]

are these a thing in PvP?

Because I was thinking with those weapon enchants...

'sept I have no idea what these are

[wintry dew]

They nerfed in pvp, and the embellishment is weak.
Only classes they deal fire DMG naturally can take full advantage of those rings.

[wintry dew]

You get them by killing LFR bosses, ATM you can have 4, 5 next reset

[dapper chasm]

Zanaken does not PvE

[wintry dew]

Then those rings are not for Zanaken

[surreal barn]

…yet

get mastery ring and master daggers for sub

[tawdry lodge]

how to use thistle tea properly? Always pair it with a cd like shadowdance?

[waxen meteor]

Those are fairly big part for pvp, just not much for us

[dapper chasm]

Doesn't that mean people have only just gotten the ability to have both and see?

Seems like a snap judgement

[wintry dew]

Negative

You could have both on week 2

If you were lucky

Week 3 everyone had them

[dapper chasm]

And sub already tested it?

Bare in mind I am a real man

[wintry dew]

Some did but it isn't really worth for a real man like you

[dapper chasm]

I see

https://tenor.com/view/ugh-turn-around-yeah-uh-gif-26658733

[wintry dew]

A real man would use both BSL

And not care about the ring procs

[dapper chasm]

Don't use your letters on me, nerd

I don't know shit

Proudly

[wintry dew]

BSL is an embellishment that gives you a shit ton of mastery if you're above 90% hp

[dapper chasm]

Oh, that, yeah, got that

[wintry dew]

Also Infurious boots

Aka pvp boots

[dapper chasm]

Got those, seemed op

Kinda eh instead

[wintry dew]

Then you're good to go

[dapper chasm]

Where's the spice?

The spark

The sizzle

[wintry dew]

Enemies dropping

[dapper chasm]

That happens anyway

[wintry dew]

And you dropping a flag of ownership on then

[dapper chasm]

I don't have one of those as I don't play children's card games

[wintry dew]

That's not tcg

[dapper chasm]

Huh, thought it was

[wintry dew]

You can still have it afaik

Maybe?

It's a warlords of draenor pvp thing

[dapper chasm]

this?

[wintry dew]

I was actually wrong

The one I was talking about is actually tcg

[dapper chasm]

[wintry dew]

Letml me do my research right this time

[dapper chasm]

Don't bring that weak-ass shit to the PvP channel

This is a place of war

https://www.wowtcgloot.com/the_flag_of_ownership.htm

Only $300

[wintry dew]

https://www.wowhead.com/item=119219/warlords-flag-of-victory#comments

[pale storm]

the ultimate BM macro for killing people, spam this upon their death and watch the rage

#showtooltip The Flag of Ownership
/use The Flag of Ownership
/use Alliance Flag of Victory
/use Breaker's Flag of Victory
/use Warlord's Flag of Victory
/use Orgrimmar Hero's War Banner
/use Jolly Roger
/use Epic Purple Shirt
/sit

[wintry dew]

Holy damn you'd plant a Christmas tree on the guys ass

XD

[pale storm]

spams like 3-4 flags on them, you /flex from the epicp urple shirt, you get the sound from equipping jolly roger pirate flag then you /sit lol most toxic thing to do in world/bgs

[dapper chasm]

I am trying to increase my toxicity...

Thanks, bro

Woah, I aint dropping $100 for the pleasure https://www.wowtcgloot.com/epic_purple_shirt.htm

[pale storm]

yeah, I got mine years ago when it was like 15 or something lol

[sick wasp]

yes they are

[waxen meteor]

Guys, I can't resist

I have to complain

blitz is worst thing in the world

this mode is too dumb, you get to place with a bunch of players who don't have any clue what they are doing

the MMR is totally not working

[gleaming pawn]

MMR is going to be wonky in TWW for sure. I’m in 2100 lobbies consistently with morons that don’t know how to target/cc healers, don’t know or understand the special Blitz rules, etc

[surreal barn]

There’s something that turns them into a plant too

[pale storm]

Ooh need that, what is it?

[surreal barn]

I’m not home I’ll have to find it for you later

[dapper chasm]

1900 in shuffle feels a bit clown-fiesta

The main difficulty now seems to be teammates sabotaging me, I can only hope unintentionally

Earlier I was above 50% hp, full dmg CDs popped, cloak popped and was about to finish a mage

Priest grips my ass

[final flame]

anyone has a pre bis rogue pvp site avail ?

[dapper chasm]

Whoever heard of a priest grabbing someone's ass without consent?

[wintry dew]

pre bis?

Honor gear

if you mean DF

[final flame]

no cata im sry haha

[wintry dew]

Then wrong channel

either try #classic-discussion or other discord servers

[surreal barn]

That shuffle life makes it interesting tho

Def don’t complain

Healers love letting rogues die after whining

[wintry dew]

@steel scarab

your prayers were heard

[surreal barn]

@halcyon timber

Eridian can you check out these cloak changes

Or is it just that cloak time was reduced

“Assassination:
Your next Fan of Knives after applying Deathstalker's Mark deals an additional (20% of Attack power) Shadow damage and generates 1 additional combo point.
Outlaw, Subtlety, Initial:
Your next Shuriken Storm after applying Deathstalker's Mark deals an additional (20% of Attack power) Shadow damage and generates 1 additional combo point.”

Was deathstalker released and I missed it??

[wintry dew]

no

[steel scarab]

@wintry dew yay!!!

That's just the same as Deeper Strategem lol

But whatever, at least it's useful

[gleaming pawn]

Why must blizzard hate us so

[wintry dew]

It happens

just wait a little longer

[gleaming pawn]

https://tenor.com/view/starwars-outrageous-unfair-gif-10552482

[surreal barn]

This is a nice taste though

Plague damage is interesting

[dapper chasm]

I pretty much never die

Hell, I love being the target, I feel I have more agency

[surreal barn]

I felt the same as sub season 2

Was really fun

[quaint cedar]

Wonder why they went with plague damage. I guess it works though

For pvp those cloak talents are going to be very strong

[halcyon timber]

Ill check when i get home from school. It will be toned down in pvp (they have been actively tuning)

Plague consists of poison and shadow damage so it works directly with both.

People forget how multi schools work and get diarrhea. Realz and the devs did a good job. Ill check when i get home if it is up (just datamined atm dont think testable yet) just read 1 post on wowhead

Ah just read further , catching up a lot in here . Not a big deal.

Plague will count for amps from us and assassination and directly ties in. Fits thematically for the deathstalkers (forsaken kill unit) and game play wise.

[wintry dew]

Also, for more debate on TWW you guys can check #tww-assassination or #tww-subtlety

[quaint cedar]

I really hope the trickster updates come in soon

[halcyon timber]

Ill chime in when I get a chance . Doesn’t need to be flashy or stupid. Just needs to tie into our kiit as a whole. I don’t really like discussing with them as dismissive and boys cluby they get

The tree accomplishes a lot but testing will have to show more results

[stoic spruce]

I think it's because of the undead tie-in

[halcyon timber]

Yeah desthstalkers are the forsaken kill squad (belmonte and them are some nasty mfs)

https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Deathstalker_Commander_Belmont

[stoic spruce]

Gnarly

[halcyon timber]

Belmont is the man

[stoic spruce]

Honestly?

Hiding pants has been the biggest W in TWW so far

[wintry dew]

xD

[halcyon timber]

. DS is a big positive feedback loop that makes down time not suck or at least decreases the divide a little . Its good but need to physically play it and not go off hear say bs

Having a deterministic feedback loop to throw into cds and still having something out of it is good. The legion era “ only dance” mentality nonsense needs to stop. This tree is giving options and planning but we definitely have to test mechanically when it is ready to roll. Looks fun though.

[quaint cedar]

Right, I forgot that Deathstalkers were a specific thing in the lore

Makes sense now

[halcyon timber]

Yeah DS are a big deal, they do a lot of sick assassination missions

[waxen meteor]

I am playing in 1200 mmr blitz lol

with like 9-1 record

[halcyon timber]

Lots of bombing and deep under cover shit

[quaint cedar]

I don't play horde so I just forgot about them lol

That's cool though

[halcyon timber]

They were there in gilneas and have been in every war helping out

Similar to SI 7 of stormwind but from the forsaken

[raven mist]

i need a short answer, sub or assa for pvp?

[stoic spruce]

Assa

[wintry dew]

warrior

paladin

[raven mist]

damn

[wintry dew]

evoker

how fast do you want them

xD

without context your question is vague as shit

[raven mist]

what context do you need mate....

[wintry dew]

BG? 3s? 2s?

Partners?

[raven mist]

im a returning sub rogue and was wondering whats good nowadays

[stoic spruce]

Didn't even say DH wtf is wrong with you Royal

[wintry dew]

Oh right my bad

[raven mist]

shits OP ngl

[quaint cedar]

And immune from nerfs

[waxen meteor]

People sitting at bases not even enabled at blitz

lol

[surreal barn]

How about turning into a box

[waxen meteor]

just wanted to grab some quick for craft gear before queue solo

[surreal barn]

That looks so fun lol

Hope it’s like the toy

[raven mist]

is there an actual good guide to follow? or am i missing something... is the 4 piece set not worth getting on assa rogue? im sat here reading guides for pvp on icy veins and wowhead.... ones saying only get two piece, the other is saying get 4, anther is saying craft this... the other is saying craft that,,, im so fucking lost lmao.

its making me wanna logout and turn my pc off

[pearl pasture]

For assassination, do we want to stack as much versatility as possible (after mastery)? I am wondering if I should prioritize haste after reaching certain value of verse - ex. crafting neck with verse mastery or haste mastery

[dapper chasm]

I'm getting confused about shuffle - people are doing things that make no sense to kill themselves

Are there bots in there or something?

No talking, no proper play, just run in and die while walking in circles

[wintry dew]

Are you able to take your own conclusions if I point you in the right direction?

[stoic spruce]

He asked about specs

You tell me

[wintry dew]

Versa mastery is the way

[pearl pasture]

Thank you very much, i will stack versa so high no one will dare to stare at my direction in shuffle

[stoic spruce]

He's a peacock, you gotta let him fly.

[harsh steppe]

sub 4 LyFe

[wintry dew]

I doubt that getting any amount of haste will help you. Also be sure to use updated builds in S4 (mostly ask them here)

[pearl pasture]

got it will do 😄

[raven mist]

i kinda figured it out ....sort of

[wintry dew]

Murlok.io

Check that website out

Whatever question you have after checking that site, please feel free to hit is up

[raven mist]

okay thank you

[jolly sierra]

the time has come

now ppl will go naked to arena strifing as shit

alright

i read the leaks

deathstalker is like a fresh breeze compared to fatebound

[raven mist]

only thing im not seeing is rotation... is it on the website or am i blind?

[jolly sierra]

we dont do rotations in pvp

[wintry dew]

You mostly want to keep bleeds up and force their CDS

if Assa

[raven mist]

fuck that im going back to sub lol

[raven mist]

opener... somethin'

i feel like im learning a new language lmfao .... its okay ill figure it out, thank you for the site @wintry dew its very helpful

[wintry dew]

When was the last time you played?

[raven mist]

september but vaguely and not that much pvp

[jolly sierra]

if melee
cheap shot > garrote > rupture > fan of knives > shiv> shadow dance >kingsbane > rupture > fan of knives > envenom

if caster
garrote > fan of knives > rupture > fan of knives or mutilate till 4 points > shiv > kidney > shadow dance >kingsbane > rupture > fan of knives > envenom

if u just garrote a melee and is decent enough he will insta cc u

[raven mist]

thank you!

[jolly sierra]

u welcome

wait my bad in melee one

ignore the kidney part, guy is already stunned

fixed

[raven mist]

ty ty i will try to get this down and do a little more research on whats changed then get to it

its made it a lot easier for me now thanks!

[harsh steppe]

@dapper chasm is there a way to make the masque icons work for all my icons instead of just trufigcd?

[jolly sierra]

u welcome

[jolly sierra]

we rather priorize than rotate

cuz players are extremely unpredictable compared to npcs

if u try a full rotation maybe the guy will just stun u or start bursting

[potent pivot]

I could be wrong, but I think you may have to download an icon pack or something

[twin burrow]

death stalker looks terrible, am i late

[potent pivot]

I remember having to do that for one of those add ons a while back

[gleaming pawn]

It’s not fully implemented yet, so for Royal’s sake, I am holding my dooming for now

[twin burrow]

eh its not even dooming, just looks very pve centric

i think hat trickster is the pvp one .. anything that reduces damage taken is not pve lol

[jolly sierra]

looks fine for me dude

[twin burrow]

ill have it look again

[jolly sierra]

most of damage is complementary

and u have the shadow step thingy+

tbh i prefer that

[safe pelican]

Assassination for dummies - Get all your bleeds up on both dps and gouge the healer into a full kidney , this alone should get you 1700

[jolly sierra]

than fucking fatebound crap

[twin burrow]

trickster just gives mastery, finisher coup de grac, gives ur enemies no parry (warrs and WW ezmode) and u get dmg reduction.. it seems likea no brainer to play tickster

[jolly sierra]

trickster isnt available as assa

[twin burrow]

ah right

soo.. sub is trickster, assa is deathstalker and outlaw is fatebound

gj blizzard

illusion of choice XD

[safe pelican]

I want to recant my statement from a few weeks back saying that we dont need CT as well, that shit pumps definitely a must have

[twin burrow]

i think we have a 2 week limit on recant's .. i would apploy for an extension

[harsh steppe]

lame ok tysm

[gleaming pawn]

There was never any real choice, we were all just going to go with the tree that does the most damage. But TWW hero trees for Rogue are looking like a failure. Other classes they look and feel good, Rogue is dog shit thus far

[harsh steppe]

did they release the sub one?

[jolly sierra]

is all in the leaked notes from wowhead

[harsh steppe]

where do i click for that?

[jolly sierra]

below in the news

it talks about deathstalker

[gleaming pawn]

There’s bits and pieces. It’s not implemented or released yet. Don’t waste your time

[harsh steppe]

wait, then why is everybody flipping out lol

[gleaming pawn]

Because we are Rogues. We love to doom

[jolly sierra]

yeah they designed doomers inspired in us

[spring bough]

Been off retail since season 3 mid and been on sod since

Played my BM yesterday 1800 in solo already. Did this get easier?? 😂

[wintry dew]

no

your class did

[spring bough]

lol. Haven’t even been on my rogue yet. I see assassin is top?

[cobalt hound]

As God intended

[spring bough]

Don’t think I’ll play my outlaw until war within at this point

That feint build with outlaw for PvP next xpack could possibly go hard. Invincible rogue lol

[safe pelican]

Class on auto pilot

[cobalt hound]

Personally don't like them shoving defensives into offensive goes. Button bloat is already a real thing with Assass.

Well, Rogue in general.

[spring bough]

Yeah absolutely no bloat with BM I’d love that for outlaw. It’s spam my hotkeyed mouse button for kill command, 1+2 for barbed cobra and couple others for CDs and that’s it

[halcyon timber]

Feint is getting changed ( shiv + symbols possibly)

Trickster is good, played a lot of it

Fatebound is also straight forward and offers a lot of in demand punch. DS will decrease the horrible lows while maintaining burst.

Ive played a lot of alpha. Some clean up as the devs see fit but the trees compliment all builds instead of horse shoe formation into x talents only

[idle tulip]

I'm baaaaccckkkk...
Seriously, looking for a guest expert to talk about assa rogue in pvp for an hour or 2.

[wintry dew]

Hello there, firstly, let me tell you that you guys do put up a nice show, been listening to it.
Also good luck on getting a R1 rogue to go on your podcast :c

[idle tulip]

Thank you. 🙏
Glad you enjoy it!

[jolly sierra]

[idle tulip]

There's gotta be a rogue that is willing to come out of the shadows. 😏

[twin burrow]

theres like what, 15 r1 rogues nw?

prollly 5-6?

[wintry dew]

Raz did say no before, I don't know if shadenox would agree to do it

[jolly sierra]

u can ask nessper too tho

[wintry dew]

Mage i'm only missing ToT to get the neck

[idle tulip]

Doesn't need to be a rank 1. Gladiator would be fine.

[idle tulip]

Shadenox had replied before saying not interested.

[potent pivot]

Most rogues a very private I guess

[wintry dew]

We keep it... Out of sight

[potent pivot]

🥷

[wintry dew]

Trickz I can actually hear that image

[potent pivot]

You can hear this one ^

[wintry dew]

Yes xD

[potent pivot]

[stoic spruce]

I'm rank 1 in people's hearts. Is that good?

I also haven't played assa since bfa

Is that also good?

[idle tulip]

Definitely need a person who has been playing it.

[stoic spruce]

Jokes

[gleaming pawn]

Pfft rank 2 at best

[jolly sierra]

oof

should be easy for you, right?

[jolly sierra]

the top 1001 rogue

[gleaming pawn]

Fair

[stoic spruce]

I'll take it

[wintry dew]

Absolutely, tomorrow

Also, already bought the garrosh polearm heirloom

[jolly sierra]

nice i had my own from mop

still need the dagger, the shield and the 1h axe tho

[wintry dew]

The dagger...

That's a grey model from classic

So damn trash

[stoic spruce]

Does assa ever have a reason to use poison knife in arenas?

[jolly sierra]

its a retexture tho, still like it

[jolly sierra]

dude is one of ur most important tools as assa

XD

its to kite or cut distance

[stoic spruce]

Okay you didn't have to be MEAN

I'm literally RELEARNING assa

[wintry dew]

That would mean you had learned assa before

[jolly sierra]

OOF

[stoic spruce]

I DID

RAHHH

[stoic spruce]

I meant moreso offensively

[jolly sierra]

ye, when the fucker is running away

[stoic spruce]

Dude I'm so going Deathstalker. Gotta represent my undead bros.

Lmaoo

[tawdry lodge]

do you use ambush in your rotation at all?

in one of shadenox's videos he uses ambush in a full burst with death mark but he made that video in 10.2.0, not sure how update that is

[gleaming pawn]

there was many changes, and he has more recent guides

the current build does not utilize ambush at all

[tawdry lodge]

can you link me the most recent one?

[jolly sierra]

no

[gleaming pawn]

oh guess the 10.2 guide is his latest guide

but you can watch the videos for more info and spell usage

he explains why he is targeting what classes, etc

[tawdry lodge]

what is the minimum targets to use crimson tempest?

[jolly sierra]

3+

[gleaming pawn]

5

[tawdry lodge]

it gets priority over envenom over 3 if u dont need to refresh dice?

[jolly sierra]

if u wanna cleave yes

[tawdry lodge]

so fans is better than muti unless u are worried about breaking ccs

[jolly sierra]

ye

[potent pivot]

Tbh I’d say 2 or more

It depends on your other priorities, if you already have garrote and rupture ticking, not worried about hitting someone with Envenom at the time, etc
2+ should be fine

[worthy crag]

I can't seem to break myself away from the cycle of:
"I want to play an alt class" -> "I'll be casual on this unlike on my main rogue" -> "I queue for a battleground/arena or engage in wpvp combat and get steamrolled" -> "Ok I would have stomped that guy on my rogue" -> "Screw this I'm going back to my rogue and grinding it"
For like 7 years now

[stoic spruce]

Dude I've been doing that between between unholy and outlaw for years lmaoo

I can stop when I want to!

[wanton breach]

[stoic spruce]

I can't wait to try outlaw in pvp next expac

I miss DB/Flag/GSW so dang much

[dapper chasm]

Masque skins addons

So - if you want your buffs and debuffs to be skinned, they need to be handled by an addon

There is also options for global settings in masque, but that's mostly for mass-skinning stuff

I mostly use "masque-shadow" for my stuff, that's all you'll need

And if you want to skin your buffs, get an addon called Raven, it's a big-ol' full buff/debuff suite

But you cannot attain higher rating without a kickass and slick UI - it's just not possible at all

https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/masque-shadow

https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/raven

[stoic spruce]

I like ravens. Cool birds.

[wintry dew]

What have we done to @dapper chasm ...
He's being extremely friendly, we broke him

[stoic spruce]

It's because I haven't been around

[wintry dew]

Quick someone tell him something bad

[stoic spruce]

So you admit you were carried?

[wintry dew]

Yeah yeah hit him with the "he got carried"

[stoic spruce]

Sub rogues hate that

Because it's true

And

The only comp they know is rmp because any other comp is too hard

Requires them to think

[wintry dew]

Truuuuue

[stoic spruce]

Not like chad outlaw

[dapper chasm]

My distain for you mega-losers is overshadowed by my cool-guy love for WoW UI building

[stoic spruce]

So many comps

If you love it so much, why aren't you good at it?

Oooooo

Up top royal

[wintry dew]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cat-stare-cat-staring-staring-cat-daladada-gif-23650468

[dapper chasm]

Cute

[wintry dew]

High-five

[dapper chasm]

Cute how you lie like that, not just to the fine people here, but to yourself

[wintry dew]

Popo it's working, let's continue to fix him

[stoic spruce]

Okay okay

Uhh

[stoic spruce]

Is that what you say to yourself when you go to bed?

[wintry dew]

https://tenor.com/view/oooh-i'm-telling-youre-in-trouble-uh-oh-fresh-prince-of-bel-air-gif-12623878553862621317

[stoic spruce]

I think he's fixed

[wintry dew]

He's yet to say something a MAN would

SMH my head

[stoic spruce]

OOOOOO

He's a sub rogue

He's gotta setup first

Told you

[dapper chasm]

Na, I usually just roll off yo mama and smoke

[stoic spruce]

Crack prolly

[wintry dew]

https://tenor.com/view/ladies-and-gentleman-we-got-him-gif-12313683

Welcome back Zanaken

[stoic spruce]

All that setup and that's what he came up with

Just like sub rogue in df s4 lolol

[dapper chasm]

Sorry it took so long

Takes minutes to roll off yo mama

And that's at terminal velocity

[surreal barn]

lmfao

[stoic spruce]

You got me

Sorry it took song as well, I went to see your mom but there was a line

I decided to leave

[wintry dew]

That was good xD

[dapper chasm]

All good - I saw your mama last night with some guys too

I asked how much she made, she said "$1200.02" I said who paid 0.02 and she said "all of them"

[wintry dew]

LOOOOOOOL

[stoic spruce]

This server ain't big enough for two comedic geniuses

Luckily Panda ain't here so we're good

That's strange, your mom gave out to charity

How nice of her

[dapper chasm]

Nicer to give it away for free than sell it, I guess

[stoic spruce]

No one would pay for it

They need a CB Radio to communicate from the other side

[dapper chasm]

Calling my mother, the woman that gave me life, fat?

[stoic spruce]

Ye

[dapper chasm]

This conversation is over

[stoic spruce]

Yeah, I lose signal when I'm under her anyway

@wintry dew should be fixed for a good while

[wintry dew]

Yep he's gonna be him for a while

[stoic spruce]

Unless he's setting up

Bro casted vanish

I hate humidity. Everything in my office is sticky

[wintry dew]

Just like his~

Yeah bro casted vanish

@dapper chasm come back

[manic coyote]

yo just got back into sub rogue pvp past couple weeks is it still worth sticking to two tier set and stacking mastery pieces?

[dapper chasm]

I'm technically working

[stoic spruce]

Dude same

[wintry dew]

Yes dawg

[stoic spruce]

I get to talk to trucks on the road

[dapper chasm]

That means I have WoW/YouTube up

[stoic spruce]

Oh

[dapper chasm]

3 screens, my man

[wintry dew]

Power of technology

[dapper chasm]

It's why I don't mind shuffle queues

[stoic spruce]

My work pc has Google blocked

[dapper chasm]

WFH mothafuckaaa

[stoic spruce]

That's for people with soft hands

[dapper chasm]

Bitch

I play sub

[wintry dew]

https://tenor.com/view/locked-in-gif-17282991172107551550

[stoic spruce]

I gathered that when you said WFH and I said soft hands

[wintry dew]

When queu pops

[stoic spruce]

Give it a min, I bet that gif is fire

No data

[dapper chasm]

It's progressive project work

Deadlines in the months

[stoic spruce]

That's just enough time for me to get past the line for your mom!

Ayoooooo

[dapper chasm]

Better than the mass of men caught in yo mama's orbit

I hear it's forming a ring

[stoic spruce]

Nuh uh

Hello?

Oh I thought my phone rung

That's so stupid lol

These 7 12 hour shifts suck

Anyways

Tonight's my last night so I get u days to farm remox

Remix too

[wintry dew]

IAMTHESTORMTHATISAPPROACHING

[dapper chasm]

Oh, and to answer the questiopn of what to do when the queue pops

I love that the ass rogue did more damage

[wintry dew]

But not crucial damage

[dapper chasm]

I'll delete the screenshot as it had other people's names on it

I prefer to insult a man to his face

[surreal barn]

It’s too late. I saw the names

[dapper chasm]

If yo mama did the same, you'd know what yo daddy is called

[harsh steppe]

gm

[wintry dew]

Yoo

[harsh steppe]

https://youtu.be/HGrlPEXdi38?si=9rdN5Y7JMwwZNgAC

[idle tulip]

Got one (an assa rogue main) to join us tonight!

[wintry dew]

Oooh who did you manage to convince?

[idle tulip]

Caliph

[wintry dew]

I have no idea who he is but I'm sure he'll be able to give good insights about the actual state of rogues and assa

[harsh steppe]

man i'm so frustrated with nelf
out of probably a hundred times i've used the nelf SM macro, it's only worked probably once

[wintry dew]

You gotta literally stop

[tough spruce]

Whats your macro?

[wintry dew]

Press it twice

If you have dots you might fail

[harsh steppe]

yah that's the problem there are ten thousand dots for me to memorize i think lol

[tough spruce]

Isnt castsequence better?

[wintry dew]

Nah that works

[harsh steppe]

idk

if it makes it easier i'll do that

[wintry dew]

The macro is failing because he gets dotted out of meld

In order to stealth you need to be out of combat

[dapper chasm]

I'd put a combat conditional, so you don't stop auto attacking if it was on CD

[harsh steppe]

then what's the point? any rogue can stealth if they are out of combat?

[harsh steppe]

ah ok i can do that

how

[wintry dew]

Meld takes you out of combat

[dapper chasm]

[combat]

But what if meld is on CD?

And like a dumbass, not me, some rogue presses it while, not me, it's on CD

[harsh steppe]

well that's not the issue im having atm but it sounds like it would help later for sure so ill add it

[wintry dew]

Also meld is not a vanish

[tough spruce]

But whats the issue exactly?

[dapper chasm]

I wouldn't know, I'm horde

[wintry dew]

He can't press stealth after melding

[harsh steppe]

"well, that's gonna be an uncompleted quest this week"

[wintry dew]

Can't you finish it?

[harsh steppe]

not at this rate lol

[dapper chasm]

There's only one thing left for you to try then

[harsh steppe]

https://youtu.be/JRIkTa6oP5w

every time

[wintry dew]

Aren't you overthinking too much? At this point I'd just try another class and see how far id go

[harsh steppe]

i need to figure out how to shadowmeld properly

[wintry dew]

Lol

That won't make you win more games magically

[harsh steppe]

do you have any actual advice

[wintry dew]

I gave a lot of actual advice

Everyone did

You keep shooting yourself in the foot

[harsh steppe]

i posted a video, i’m wondering why i wasn’t able to shadowmeld in those clips

[wintry dew]

Let me scroll up then I didnt see it

Oh it was a link

Let me see

First clip

Warlock pet blade storming on top of you

Meld isn't a vanish

[harsh steppe]

aoe gotcha

[grave basin]

Are we slowly going down the steezo path

[wintry dew]

2nd - shadowdance up

[harsh steppe]

ohh

[wintry dew]

3rd - SD

[harsh steppe]

oof
ok i'll add a /cancelaura to the macro then that should help a TON tysm ❤️

[wintry dew]

Also what are you trying to accomplish with melding?

If you get hit by any AoE/dot while melded / stealth you get out instantly

[grave basin]

In none of those scenarios in the vid you posted

Meld would have done anything

[wintry dew]

Exactly!

That's where I was trying to get at

"gonna cancel aura and meld" but why? To run and stealth? To open? SD = good

[grave basin]

Ui is a personal thing but wtf is up with those bars on the right

[wintry dew]

Asked the same myself but then you see @jolly sierra ui

[grave basin]

You also seem to have two arena frames

Disable the red one

[harsh steppe]

i can’t

fatalarenaframes doesn’t work

[harsh steppe]

shadow dance cd

[dapper chasm]

I would give you a solution, but you haven't thanked me for the masque info above

[grave basin]

You know that's not what I mean lol

[dapper chasm]

I demand love

[grave basin]

Why do you need all of this shit here

You're blocking out so much screen space

And that Includes the enemy gcd

[stoic spruce]

That's more ui than game

[harsh steppe]

still trying to remember all my focus keybinds

[grave basin]

??

[harsh steppe]

but i can remove the farther left rows, i only need the right 3

[grave basin]

I don't get jt

If 3 is kick focus kick can be shift. 3

How hard is that

[harsh steppe]

focus keybinds are important for rogue, so you can press a single key & cc the focus target, but you need a lot of them, so i'm trying to remember them all

[grave basin]

Yea you can put a modifier on your original ability

You don't need kick on 3 and focus kick on shift =

[harsh steppe]

oh i can't do that, i have to have all my focus stuff on right hand, other stuff on left

but i'll try to memorize them faster if yall think my UI is hindering my performance for sure, ty

[surreal barn]

You gonna start using pedals for your feet soon

[harsh steppe]

not a bad idea tbh

[surreal barn]

lol. The alessi drumkit pedals work iirc

[harsh steppe]

https://tenor.com/view/vroom-gas-pedal-pedal-pumping-gas-gas-gas-gif-21891147

will Chains of Ice prevent smeld?

[harsh steppe]

i couldn't figure it out, too many addons =/

[dapper chasm]

#pvp message

[harsh steppe]

yah i know but that's a lot

if i need an addon for every group oof

[dapper chasm]

beyond bartender and raven, there's not much else

[harsh steppe]

ok ill try it one more time

[wintry dew]

Clearly isn't working and you don't need that at 1k cr

Focus blind is more than enough

You're trying to play like a gladiator without their game experience

I truly believe that the way you're trying to set up everything is what keeps pulling you down

[surreal barn]

@jolly sierra level 53-61 last night farming that last sai

Holy fuck my luck was shit

[grave basin]

how do you get the sai?

im planning on leveling my rogue when i get an omega juiced cloak to one tap everything

[wintry dew]

Probably leveling in town long steppes

[grave basin]

btw i just got the sha illusion

man it lks like piss

looks*

[harsh steppe]

ugh i messed something up, how can i fix this?

[wintry dew]

Ikr... It's so underwhelming

[harsh steppe]

@dapper chasm made my bar 1 disapear

and it messed up my dimensions for some reason?

[jolly sierra]

my UI is gold

but the thing is UI is not an issue than shot urself in the foot

[jolly sierra]

god dammit were u that unlucky? agh

blizz really did a big trolling w them as zone drops

[wintry dew]

Exactly. Hyper at this point is just ignoring me

He does not enjoy that I complain so much

[jolly sierra]

yeah i stopped helping the 1st time because there were no feedback, im more being into cutting stuff from roots than continuing with unheard aid

[wintry dew]

It is what it is

[harsh steppe]

not sure what advice i’m ignoring but i’m always listening

[sick wasp]

dont u feel a bit awkward with those WA's in the middle of the screen

[harsh steppe]

which

[sick wasp]

everything

the bar and the icons

[harsh steppe]

no

i could move them down a little if you think that’d help

[sick wasp]

its a subjective thing how to set up ur WA's

i dont think anything

just giving u a heads up

its ur choice how to use ur wa's

WA's should never render ur ability to see and undertand whats happening infront of ur eyes

[harsh steppe]

ah ok

[sick wasp]

If you cant see whats happening=>u cant evaluate what u need to do

[harsh steppe]

it does feel cluttered sometimes i’ll try to move some stuff around

[sick wasp]

do as u love

just mentioning the obvious

[wintry dew]

#pvp message you didn't reply really

[sick wasp]

the man is trying to do what we adviced him not to do

(yes it was not to flood ur yi with stupid shit that u wont use or they wont help u on ur journey to learn how to play the class)

[harsh steppe]

lol you guys are a riot

[sick wasp]

dont wanna be smart or anything but worrying about WA's without 10.000 games under ur belt

is irrelevant

[wintry dew]

sap

[sick wasp]

yes my man

[wintry dew]

on retail, overall

i doubt i have more than 2k games

on all my characters

[sick wasp]

lol rly?

[wintry dew]

yeah

[sick wasp]

i think im doing like 2k each seasson

[harsh steppe]

i mean yall don't have to answer my questions i guess if yall don't want? this is the pvp channel, it's meant for asking questions

[sick wasp]

on all my alts

[wintry dew]

dont forget i get elite tmog and stop pvping

[sick wasp]

it is and im veyr happy to help every possible way i can

[wintry dew]

i got 3 elites s1, 1 elite s2, 2elites s3

[sick wasp]

but u need to understand that even if u get those answers,they wont help u ultimately

[harsh steppe]

i've made a ton of changes with your guys' help, i wouldn't be where i'm at rn if it wasn't for you guys, and i'm really grateful, but i don't think saying i don't listen to yall ever is really fair, i've adjusted my UI several times, doing it right now, listened to you advice on your critique of my vid royal, always take into account what you guys say

[wintry dew]

Hyper

you're at 1k

i dont mean this in a bad way

but it doesnt seem that what we say really helps

I TRULLY believe you are trying to play a game you're not supposed to understand yet, not at that rating

[sick wasp]

if u want my honest opinion i dont stay to ratings nor judging from those,playing rogue since original vanilla and believe me ive seen many rogues come by and quit or fail to understand and torture themselves for years in very basic knowledge they could conquer relatively fast if done it simple by training

so,putting my opinion on the table once more

u dont need WAA's,focus macros,mod macros,or any UI or WA copied by anyone from here

period

make ur own way by understanding the class

the more simple u keep ur stuff the less distracted u will be

so u will learn more

[harsh steppe]

i think you're overanalyzing, those aren't hindering me, i just come here to ask specific questions because you guys know the best

[sick wasp]

thats the point

[wintry dew]

^

[sick wasp]

u think they dont hinder u

i know they do

[harsh steppe]

i'm just not sure what you guys are referring to; what exactly am i ignoring? how can i improve, with concrete examples?

[wintry dew]

example:

the video you sent

you wanted to understand why the meld macro wasnt working

and we asked an even more important question: Why did you want to meld there

[harsh steppe]

oh, i didn't, i wanted to show you it wasn't working

[wintry dew]

?

[harsh steppe]

i wanted to give you several different examples of meld not working

[sick wasp]

focus kicks/saps/blinds,step-duel binds focus stun macros

u want more?

[harsh steppe]

? how are those hindering me

[sick wasp]

those are irrelevant to what u are trying to do

[harsh steppe]

i don't even pay attention to those keybinds atm

[sick wasp]

u are overcomplicating ur gameplay by having those choices

when u cant even utilize them

[wintry dew]

thank you

[harsh steppe]

eventually i will though

[wintry dew]

no

thats the problem

[sick wasp]

and that will take u most likely 3-4 years more to understand how

[harsh steppe]

that's okay, i'm in it for the long haul this time

[sick wasp]

if u delete them and play the class,que endlessly to learn how to kill

develop ur perception

u will learn in 6 months tops

its ur choice,but again,dont wanna be rude

i have no r1s under my belt

[harsh steppe]

learn in 6 months tops what exactly

[wintry dew]

how to play rogue

[sick wasp]

im just a 2.6 xp'd pvper

[harsh steppe]

i don't want to get into bad habits

[wintry dew]

I'm a 1.8k every season, does it count?

[wintry dew]

you ARE into bad habits

[sick wasp]

everything counts my man

[wintry dew]

everything for tmog

[harsh steppe]

what bad habits exactly

[sick wasp]

learn how the class behaves in most cases in pvp

[harsh steppe]

those choices & extra keybinds aren't hindering me, i don't even pay attention to those

[harsh steppe]

that's what i'm trying to do, i have over 3k total games

[wintry dew]

And thats exactly the problem

you have more rogue games than me on my whole account

and yet you miss the basics

Counter argument

[harsh steppe]

okay, what are the basics

[wintry dew]

why can't you climb to 1.4?

[harsh steppe]

i'm not sure, not reflexive enough, i have bad tunnel vision, i have to tab target too much, don't know what to do with my middle shadowdance, don't know any of the opponents big cds, a lot more

[wintry dew]

Then why do you need such a cluttered UI filled with WA's and focus macro 1/2/3?

[harsh steppe]

i'm decluttering my UI right now, and i'll hide the bars, fine

https://tenor.com/view/will-smith-pouty-pouting-pout-sad-face-gif-22346221

[wintry dew]

Also, im not mainly a sub player, but if you're in SD, you either want to chain CC or to pump dmg

otherwise you're just standing

[harsh steppe]

yeah i'm just not sure what to do with that extra shadowdance in the middle of my burst windows

i'll make a vod today, a short one, and let you guys tear me apart

[wintry dew]

sounds lovely

go kick ass and return

[sick wasp]

thats amazing,there will be alot of ppl,better than us here

[wintry dew]

^

[sick wasp]

that could tell u how to do that better

[wintry dew]

absolutely

[sick wasp]

u dont need 10 bars and fukin 100 macros

dear lord u are torturing urself man

[safe pelican]

Hyper if you’re playing sub, you will have a hard time excelling until you know how to utilize the entire subtlety kit correctly.

[sick wasp]

thats another setback

to the already existing ones

sub is extremely hard to master

[harsh steppe]

if it takes me years to get good that's okay

[sick wasp]

just grow reasonably bro

u can do that without all the sht

flooding ur brain

for nothing

[harsh steppe]

okay okay okay i'm minimizing hardcore rn

my ui about to be so empty you're gonna say i need to add more

[sick wasp]

have fun,que,learn and develop ur perception

[safe pelican]

Lol as long as your having fun if you’re not take a break i take week months off until , just learn the class all the extra addons and shit are only beneficial AFTER you know how to play the class and use the entire kit correctly.

[gleaming pawn]

Learning to walk before you run, applies to playing Rogue as well

Are you doing battlegrounds too, or just trying to pvp in arena @harsh steppe

[potent pivot]

something that might help with tunnel vision; just sit back and relax, even in the middle of some games just chill and check out what others are doing in the game around you

even if you gotta kinda stop what you're doing and stand there in game, until you get more used to doing it while running around doing your rotation

feel like a lot of people get nervous when learning and get too caught up

[jolly sierra]

i have like 140 SS ROUNDS this season

[wintry dew]

I had 60 rounds in s3

LOL

[jolly sierra]

ye way too low

[wintry dew]

I did get 1800 so GG :3

[jolly sierra]

i just did that for the 2k1 for now

[wintry dew]

Boss ass bitch

[jolly sierra]

well we will have a purge it seems

arthas is still alive

[wintry dew]

We might not

[jolly sierra]

ive seen a guy from kazzak 1 shotting shit in a lfr

it seems like the guy was one of the farmers

and damn, advantage was unfair

[wintry dew]

I believe they will add catch-up for players that didn't frog

That's what I believe

I doubt they will ban anyone

Or remove their work

#1240570632798736385 message

[jolly sierra]

ye im farming bronze through dailies rn

seems better

[harsh steppe]

just arena

[gleaming pawn]

You should play a lot of BGs. Less pressure, a lot of variance of classes and situations you face, and skill levels are generally lower so you’ll face more people learning classes too

Trying to learn a class/spec in the incredibly small window of a shuffle round or arena match is not going to teach you what you were doing wrong or let you experiment, etc

I’d also recommend duels, but dueling culture has died off a lot

[harsh steppe]

i can do that

[jolly sierra]

"1v1 me u chicken stop declining duels"

throw another flag and starts strifing

[gleaming pawn]

The duels in my experience lately are just meme’rs looking to exploit stupid shit to blow someone up

Back in my day, if you were in a queue, or just general down time, you were outside Org/Stormwind constantly dueling people

Still the best way to learn what another spec will do, and people’s general thought/reaction patterns; imo

[jolly sierra]

oh, always

"bro lemme test something"

[harsh steppe]

tea danger alerts or DF mes WAs?
if i have to pick one

[jolly sierra]

well, arena teached me how to answer to classes, duels at least in my server were only to flex

[jolly sierra]

https://tenor.com/view/dungeong-gif-3654754744145897317

[harsh steppe]

? keep both?

eli5

[jolly sierra]

no, u are overthinking again

from now, every time i see u are doing some gimmick with macros, WAs or addons i gonna slap

[harsh steppe]

oh okay lmao

[gleaming pawn]

Fucking Mes WA

PvP used to be about reacting with your game awareness, not a WA yelling at you that your healer is in CC or the enemy popped their damage CD

https://tenor.com/view/abe-simpson-abe-simpson-cloud-yelling-cloud-angry-gif-12558964

[jolly sierra]

my neuron trigger everytime i hear a "S H A D O W D A N C E"

and just proceed to instadisarm

[gleaming pawn]

[sick wasp]

thats good reflex right there

[jolly sierra]

remember the vid from the insta disarm to the dk?

was just for the sound

XD

[sick wasp]

dont think i do no,care to share?

[jolly sierra]

lemme find it

#pvp message

here

[harsh steppe]

Ok tear me apart
https://youtu.be/eIBonwhzfvo?si=WtOfXmorJzRUm9xD

[sick wasp]

solid

[gleaming pawn]

I’ve been resistant to installing something like the Mes WA because it will end up making me reliant on it and therefore worse at pvp in the long run, but I can’t help but feel like I’m only holding myself back not using them because they are clearly not going anywhere

[sick wasp]

basic arena targeting

Sap healer=>Open Dps hard

preferably whats more vulnerable to ur opener or ur teammates

or both

if u open the healer without cc on the dps,they can cc u and u waste ur opener

this means all ur cds are wasted and u are dying

we dont want that

So,simple stuff

sap healer go dps

[harsh steppe]

ok ty i usually do sometime i forget

[sick wasp]

those rules dont apply if u are on voice and u go hard on another target

but in general

by doing that u create immense pressure to the enemy team

u only need their trinket to kill them

thats what u want

wait for drs to clear out,re-open with a box on the dps

njoy the pts

[hallow steppe]

Any ideas on what broke the stealth? On 1:19:12 (after a row of saps)

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2152276369?t=01h18m59s

Nothing in the combat log,
No buttons were pressed

[sick wasp]

evoker legendary maybe

[harsh steppe]

and what about in between GOs? look at my vid in the middle lower of my main bar, that’s my key press timer, you’ll see a lot of the time i’m just spamming buttons that idk if they are on CD or not

[sick wasp]

thats called ''turtling''

u basicly run away and search for a restealth

or basicly line of sight what dps is more dangerous for u

[gleaming pawn]

Either dragon Lego or warlock pet existing

[sick wasp]

true the lock pet

as well

cringe ass class man

they press dogs someone dcs

[sick wasp]

generally try to avoid getting unneccesary dmg

and help ur team take less if u can

dont press major cds if possible

u dont wanna waste blind or anything unless u dont have any other choice

[harsh steppe]

yah i do that a lot too ugh ok

what do i do when all my cds are up and i have nothing to do

[wintry dew]

you check healer trinket and dps trinket

if healer no trinket, you can blind/stun or stun/blind/sap

while going ham on one of the dps's

[harsh steppe]

ooo i can do that ok ty

[dapper chasm]

There's always something to do