🐼 Pandaria Remix Discussion

[hard bramble]

Nah

LFR you can do independntly, but N/H/M do

[spice mural]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/blizzard-possibly-looking-into-identifying-frog-farmers-in-mop-remix-341579?webhook

[green quiver]

Make all froggers tank a heroic social sanctum of domination raid as punishment

[green quiver]

Also like how they’re posting an exploit strat with the text “dont use this” as if more mfs arent going to use this now

[hard bramble]

Maybe that's the goal. Maximum volume so they can't be punished

Also it's like. Way quicker to do HoF and then go do something else for 50 minutes.

[past kindle]

i don't think anything else than maybe a catchup system will be added

[past kindle]

i don't know if it counts as exploit

blizz clearly did not consider the abuse but the raid without frog farmers is increidbly difficult

mythic world first would probably be not possible

[robust lotus]

Weird that these are things that have been in the game and people are calling them exploits now

[spark spruce]

Frog isnt exploit

Gate Farm with Instance Cap abuse

is

[lime sinew]

I think they just don’t want people to mindlessly farm one single thing and they want them to actually do content. Unlucky for them wow players want to find the simplest grind

[spark spruce]

Well

And what did the guys that did the actual content get?

[lime sinew]

Shafted

[spark spruce]

They got less Bronze from caches

and no Threads

I mean amybe they try to find people who didnt use frogs

and played normal

to get them repaid

so that no frog farmer gets retroactive rewards

[green quiver]

dawg if they just convert xp gain to bronze bonus from caches stat

on the cloak

[spark spruce]

That would be huge

ngl

[green quiver]

it would at least make sure mindless farms arent good at all

[spark spruce]

i have 416%

[lime sinew]

Just make a new character and you’ll get a better cloak and be able to farm all that even faster

[hard bramble]

Making XP gain at max level into bronze gian would be a fantastic solution

[green quiver]

would probably have to tune it down to scale a bit less hard since its still blizz

but uh

[hard bramble]

And further push people into doing daily content and LFR and stuff

[green quiver]

shit aint happening anyway

[hard bramble]

Just move a decminal point, imo

41.6% gain

[green quiver]

yeah you'd still be able to increase it after 70 unlike now so

seems fine

[hard bramble]

Yeah

And it further incetavises doing daily content / engaging with non-absurd grinds.

I've just been doing HoF 'cos it's chill and easy.

They've buffed the little bronze floaty orbs bronze gain, I think.

[spark spruce]

doing lfr

As Druid

i just queue as Tank heal DPS

[hard bramble]

Haha

[elder heath]

I frogged for like 20m wonder if I will get tagged lol

right before the nerf

or will it be only for excessive froggers

[fleet shuttle]

UR GETTING BANNED

U KILLED A FROG

[green quiver]

ur donezo buddy

[terse belfry]

!WA

[barren wasp]

Rogue WA's:
https://wago.io/weakauras/classes/rogue (Wago Rogue)

[elder heath]

RIP

[fleet shuttle]

holy majoly

[green quiver]

that you?

[spark spruce]

wtf

i ahve like a third of this

[fleet shuttle]

The cloak in this screenshot didn't kill a single frog

[spark spruce]

????????

How

Is He Gate abuser

[hard bramble]

Did they do the Gate farm exploit?

[spark spruce]

Exploiter

[hard bramble]

HoF goodboy farmer?

[spark spruce]

No Chance

[hard bramble]

Some other secret, mysterious farm technique?

[spark spruce]

Like i mean

My 45k thread cloak went to 80k today

[hard bramble]

Yeah, mine has gone pretty big just via HoF and doing raids and shit.

[spark spruce]

The spools

Are big

[hard bramble]

Yeah, they're such a good addition

[spark spruce]

Worldbosses and Browser ones

[green quiver]

what have you been doin for 35k threads

sounds a lil crazy

[spark spruce]

I also got like 25 ilvl

[hard bramble]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/468124640091439105/1242898474358280213/image.png?ex=664f82e8&is=664e3168&hm=35897d4295b8a107b8e79151114811e65208b40ff974f9fc3478362f6c73f2db& (It's at 2.7k Agility atm but basically similar otherwise)

Also 28k Stamina

[spark spruce]

I just did the Hof farm and All queue content

[hard bramble]

Yeah, same.

[spark spruce]

And every raid on normal and mogu on h

[hard bramble]

And putting all bronze into iLevel. I'm 416 every slot with some 430 peices.

[spark spruce]

We actually did tot with 2 people

Me and a ret

[hard bramble]

Oh, nice.

[spark spruce]

Normal

Ofc

[hard bramble]

I think I could def do Normal Mogu'shan with two people atm.

I literally cannot die to any mechanics

I've been trying

[spark spruce]

Im at 8 Million life in bear

And 3 with cat

[hard bramble]

Haha, I'm closing in on 4m

[spark spruce]

[hard bramble]

Purple in most slots now. Did Mogu'shan Heroic (super smooth) and most of ToT (had to leave)

Although the ToT run was doomed to fail sooner than later

[spark spruce]

People cant believe i only did frigs for 2 hours only

[hard bramble]

Yeah, I only did 2k worth of charms from them for rep

I spent more time doing Ordon farming haha

[spark spruce]

I had like 7k

[hard bramble]

2.5k was enough to get exalted with every faction that took them

[spark spruce]

Well i got Lied at

And didnt exakt the kirin Tor

[hard bramble]

rip you

I think I might be done gaining power via bronze though. I need just over 200k to get everything to ilevel 500

but 200k would also buy all the cool mounts / transmogs / etc I want from the event

[spark spruce]

Well if you can solo heroicn

You get so much bronze

Anyways

[hard bramble]

Yeah, but by the time I get to tha tpoint I could be done anyway

[spark spruce]

Just need more lvl

[hard bramble]

So it's this weird situation, haha

I'm still hopeful they'll buff bronze gain.

[spark spruce]

Im enjoying this Event and dont care about mounts or transmog tbh

Only Mount i prolly want is jikun

[hard bramble]

I need everything (except the rare 1% mounts because expensive and effort)

[spark spruce]

Well ill prolly buy the shaman sets to

[hard bramble]

i love all the class sets, so they're my next goal.

[spark spruce]

Idk

[hard bramble]

I'm glad I went druid tank 'cos it's been fun. But at the same time.. I have to wonder how much damage I could be doing as a Sub rogue with the same stats.

How big would the SecTec be....

[spark spruce]

Well i think

Casters are op

Like in retail

[hard bramble]

Yeah, agreed. Also I think tanks are too

[spark spruce]

Like arcane mages can perma arcand bladt

[hard bramble]

Boomkin seems absolutely absurd too

[spark spruce]

Maybe ill look into boomie

But i like feral bear

[hard bramble]

Had one doing 9m DPS in one LFR

Just orbital death lazer chicken

I didn't check their gear / stats though so I dunno how broken they were.

[spark spruce]

I just put crit vers mastery gem

In every prismstic piece

So i have a Mix

[hard bramble]

I was thinking about that, but I'm currently pretty evenly spread. Something like 45 - 50% in every stat

[spark spruce]

I did (dont hate me)

Sim it

[hard bramble]

Hell yeah

[eternal pagoda]

finally

look at me cute panda

[hard bramble]

Hell yeah

[lime sinew]

I got three raids left

Not motivated to do them tho

[eternal pagoda]

neither am i

to redo them in HC

[elder heath]

I haven't spent a single bronze upgrading gear, doesn't seem worth it since it's so expensive

I assume getting the heroic and mythic achievements is the point of upgrading?

[eternal pagoda]

i'd say yes

thats my goal atleast

also, upgrading the items also upgrades stat gems power and the cogwheels/tinker dmg

[spice mural]

So, if I want to just grab as much bronze ASAP for the mounts. Should I stick to one character and raid/etc, or just level alts back to back?

[primal pine]

There's a boomy going around 1-shot auto attacking mobs

[primal pine]

do gems stack?

[elder heath]

yes

[primal pine]

[spark spruce]

Heart of fear nerf

[vapid plaza]

what tinkers should i use for raid?

[lime sinew]

I think some of the wowhead guides have tinkers listed

[spark spruce]

I have the feeling Blizzard doesnt understand the Problem

That Bronze Upgrade Costs are high

And thst you need a Bronze farm

[lime sinew]

I think they just don’t want a degen you spam this one thing to be the most optimal way to play

They want you to do a raid and a dungeon and a scenario

So you interact with people in an mmo

[spark spruce]

Well with a 10 instance cap

You couldnt Degen farm anyway

You know

[lime sinew]

Idk. I’m not sure they are at the final point and this is what it’s gonna be the whole time but I do think if some frog farm or other spam thing pops up they’ll nerf it

They don’t want people jus standing in one spot killing boars to be how players play the mode

[robust lotus]

so are they gonna fix the instance cap bypass?

[spark spruce]

Prolly

[robust lotus]

or gonna push the blame for people using the bug that has been there for years on players

[spark spruce]

Depends prolly how Hard it was abused

[spark spruce]

Thing is i did 1 trash run between queue pops

[robust lotus]

lets not fix an issue and blame it on the players when they use it

great idea

[spark spruce]

Well

[lime sinew]

Well the thing is there is an instance cap and using bugs to get around that is exploiting a bug. That’s a little different than just farming a hyper spawn or whatever

[spark spruce]

That was obviously an exploit

[robust lotus]

yeap

and so is 2x4

because getting around the 5 player cap on tags

but hey lets not fix it and blame it when it becomes severe amirite

[spark spruce]

Well a 4 man Party can happen by accident

Get around the instance cap

Is not

[lime sinew]

I mean yeah. If people aren’t abusing the bug and then suddenly they are just to cheese our rewards then yeah. You blame people for exploiting it lol

[robust lotus]

the point is at this point exploiting and clever use of game mechanics has no line

[lime sinew]

2x4 is not the same at all

[spark spruce]

Ye

Something entirely Different

[robust lotus]

while they are at it, ban the whole SOD community for using logout skips

cuz thats obviously not intended aswell

2x4 is entirely the same actually

rewards intended for 5 players are now rewarded to 8 players

[spark spruce]

But that can still happen by accident

And its less exploitive than bypassing instance cap for me

[robust lotus]

yeah but the people farming are not accidentally posting 2x4 on group finder yea? xD

its the same but still i get u

instance cap is more severe

still there is no line

all of these are bugs not fixed by blizzard because they deem it not important

technically people has been using instance cap bypass to farm strat for some time now

[elder heath]

2x4 farming has existed for years and years, If blizz thought it was a problem they have had forever to fix it

like taking away acro

[spark spruce]

Well Instance cap didnt bring you that much advantage in the past

The 2x4 farm is a common thing, also in normal DF

since SL even

[elder heath]

I googled it and there are posts from 2018 talking about it

[spark spruce]

I mean saying thread farm is an advantage is also weird

you upgrade one gear piece and its 5 times better

[elder heath]

I learned this doing the landfall campaign in silvermoon city, first way I found a portal trainer lol

[primal pine]

I FUCKIN LOVE REMIX RAHHHHHHH

[spark spruce]

Me too brother

[hard bramble]

Their approach with nerfing stuff, yet not buffing the actual reason people are degen farming is so fucking stupid right now.

[elder heath]

What they did was just like pouring a bottle of water in the desert

[spark spruce]

I mean

the Trash farm was good for threads

and Threads are not the "OP" stuff

its the Gear upgrades

[hard bramble]

Yeah. Bronze is the real grind for both all the rewards and ilevel.

The reason HoF was good was 5k+ bronze an hour with minimal effort.

[spark spruce]

and 5K isnt that muhc

tbh

[hard bramble]

Yeah, it isn't, but it was consistent

But they seem to not understand this, or they really want people to spend a month doing grinding for everything

I'm probably going to just play it less now and get 10k a day to buy cosmtics with and do something else. Nerfs aren't gonna make me engage with it more, haha

[elder heath]

trying to figure out when the best time is to make character #2

[spark spruce]

Tbf i did all the queue stuff and daily raids

and get like 2 full upgrades yesterday

[primal pine]

Leveling feels very rewarding to me

[elder heath]

I guess maybe it's now while blizzard flops around trying to figure out how much bronze players should earn while players push back on the bronze acquisition and upgrade costs

[primal pine]

you have 88 days to get all that you want tbh

these nerfs dont feel like a big deal to me

[hard bramble]

I don't want to spend 88 days to get it all. I want to do it efficently and be done.

[jagged flare]

that is the problem

[lime sinew]

Well I have 9 kids and 5 jobs and I get 16.5 minutes to play a week. If blizz doesn’t buff bronze I’ll never get all of the stuff

[jagged flare]

blizz does not like your efficiency

[primal pine]

sounds like you gotta pull up your bootstraps and get to farming then ig

[elder heath]

or he could...play something that respects his time

I would guess he would prefer that wow be that

[spark spruce]

Let your 9 kids farm it ?????

You clearly waste potential there

[primal pine]

thats literally what theyre for anyway

[elder heath]

the children yearn for the mines

[primal pine]

I was 5 years old when I was farming leather and herbs in vanilla

[hard bramble]

Making it so the daily quests + queues rewarded the 1250 bronze item would go a really long way to fixing it.

[lime sinew]

Damn that’s so smart

[spark spruce]

I mean a full SOO run deos give you 12 K bronze

If you are 2 blasters

You can farm it as two

and get more trash Bronze and threads

[hard bramble]

It does, but that's not something I'd consider it a casual farm.

[spark spruce]

Ye

true

[hard bramble]

Also the cost of entry to that point.

[spark spruce]

But 12K bronze was with 12 people

[elder heath]

make your kids do all wings of LFR every day 💀

[spark spruce]

Well i actually did all LFR yesterday

[lime sinew]

Seems cruel

[spark spruce]

Because i knew i can make it fast

[hard bramble]

Normal / Heroic dungeon and scenario, all 5 world bosses, then normal raids is probably the most efficent farm right now. maybe not ToT though.

With the caveat of getting a good group for the normals

[lime sinew]

And that’s probably what blizzard thinks is ideal

Group content being the best rewards

[hard bramble]

For threads, but not bronze. I bet people will find another bronze farm within hours.

I find it frustrating because Remix is very good. But the Bronze is the real crux of the problem and it has an easy solution.

[elder heath]

they want group content to be the best way but they wont make it rewarding enough to be worth the trouble so players seek out degenerate bronze farms because its too slow

[jagged flare]

also have to deal with the other people

imagine

[hard bramble]

The worst

[jagged flare]

i bet those plebs dont even have the 3 days early acces for TWW

[elder heath]

I went into ToT blind as I had never done it before...let's just say I was not an asset to my raid

[jagged flare]

have to group with the rabble

[spark spruce]

IDk

I had the feeling

I could do the boss almost alone now

I did tnak one half of it

[hard bramble]

me in every raid, as a tank, having last done it proeprly 10+ years ago.

(And not as a tank back then)

[hard bramble]

Hell yeah

[elder heath]

you faced the hydra breath towards the raid didn't you

[hard bramble]

Actually, that was one of the few things I remembered!

[elder heath]

lol

[hard bramble]

The other tank I was with not so much

[lime sinew]

Toxic cm hates the poors

[elder heath]

once the turtles died I immediately kicked them, the raid yelled at me

[hard bramble]

as they should. Kicking poor turtles.

smh

I wiped a normal Terrace Sha twice 'cos I didn't stand in the light until someone went "Hey dude stand in the light when the tank goes away"

[lime sinew]

Idk how that fight works

I just stand in the light the whole time as the tank

[hard bramble]

You swap when the current champion tank is sent off to the shame pavillion

And that's it really

Because he doesn't have typical tank mechanics but just focuses on whoever is made champion by lei shu's light

I was not smart enough to figure this out on my own through simply paying attetnion

[lime sinew]

Idk what the shame pavilion is lol

[jagged flare]

he just does a cast

and banishes the current light

he has to get his resolve back

killing some mobs

[hard bramble]

TO THE SHAME PAVILLION

[lime sinew]

Ohh. That makes sense. I never take aggro first and then the boss probably dies before i ever get banished

[spark spruce]

Ye it do be like that

the last runs ive done

There was no Pavillon at all

on normal

tbf

[hard bramble]

What iLevle is your gear at, @spark spruce?

[spark spruce]

425

no

actually 430

[hard bramble]

oh, huh. Interesting. So same as me.

[spark spruce]

and 80K cloak

[hard bramble]

Well, almost. I have 416 and 430 pieces

[spark spruce]

Average 430

not the pieces 430

[hard bramble]

Oh, average iLevel.

Yeah I meant actual gear iLevel not average haha

[spark spruce]

Thats 486

[hard bramble]

Neat

[eternal pagoda]

You guys farm like crazy holy damn

I barely hit 1M HP yesterday

[primal pine]

Meanwhile I got looney tunes on in the background and at lvl 25 lol

[hard bramble]

I just have podcasts on, haha

Also lectures

[eternal pagoda]

I wish. I can't force myself to go do raids / kill world bosses / farm anything after work xD
Killing garrosh is more than enough for me

Oh and doing the 3 daily quests

[hard bramble]

Ye

Like I said earlier: buff the daily quests! make them reward like 1.2k bronze or something. Solved.

[spark spruce]

I have 3 M as cat

and 8 as bear

[hard bramble]

almost 4m as bear. Tiramil is the stronk one

[spark spruce]

Every raidboss should give 1k bronze

in normal

[hard bramble]

100%

[spark spruce]

2K in Heroic

and 4 k on mythic

[eternal pagoda]

But I really need to farm a bit more to farm HC raids for the achiev

[hard bramble]

10000%

[spark spruce]

BEcause the only Joke heroic raid is mogu

[hard bramble]

Yeah

The others suuuuuck

[spark spruce]

Jinrok and Horridon on HC

have 2 Billion live

Cant chesse that with ward

[hard bramble]

People will continue to try

And fail

[spark spruce]

Even Terrace

was hard yesterday

[hard bramble]

yeah

[spark spruce]

i didnt even do 2nd boss

Like on first boss

as bear

[hard bramble]

Mogushan has precisely 1 hard boss on heroic: the first

[spark spruce]

i had 40% of dmg

[spark spruce]

Mark of arrogance killed them yesterday

[hard bramble]

Hahaha

[spark spruce]

3 Million DPS

[hard bramble]

Yeah, mine is doing 3.3k per stack now

every 0.6s

[spark spruce]

I did a SOO yesterday with my guild

normal

They arent farming a lot

[hard bramble]

30k ticks every 0.6s is hilarious

[spark spruce]

i pressed buttons for like 5-10 seconds on sha of pride

and only meleed

had 900K dps

Ye Mark of Arrogance is big as the tanking part

[hard bramble]

Mark is 100% the way tanks will solo raids

[spark spruce]

Well also as dps

[hard bramble]

Yeah

DPS have other tools

[spark spruce]

Most of the times, i try to cat and just taunt and dps after

[hard bramble]

But tanks can just let it tick

[spark spruce]

But other tanks cant stop taunting

[hard bramble]

lol yeah

nobody can hold aggro from me atm

so they spam taunt

and then I rip it back

[eternal pagoda]

Saw a guy on almost full epics 520+

O.o

[hard bramble]

So much bronze

[eternal pagoda]

https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-gb/character/eu/kazzak/Camocazi

[hard bramble]

holy shit

17k mark of arrogance every 0.6 * 5

[eternal pagoda]

Full epics now

Holy shit

[hard bramble]

And that'll stack to 5 instantly and be on the whole fight

[spark spruce]

ok thats isane

Thats a Frog abuser

or gate abuser

but like crazy

not just a bit

[hard bramble]

Both

[spark spruce]

https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-gb/character/eu/eredar/nirah

Like this is me rn

[hard bramble]

https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-gb/character/eu/argent-dawn/talran Me

[spark spruce]

You have more epics

wtf

[hard bramble]

RNG lmao

I was getting 1 per boss until I did ToT heroic and then I got nothing but 2handers

[eternal pagoda]

https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-gb/character/eu/grim-batol/pandaroyal

Me xD

[hard bramble]

epics ONLY dropping in heroic is dumb

they should be guranteed in heroic, but can drop in normals

[spark spruce]

btw royal

Brittle is bait

dont use it

[hard bramble]

Ye

[spark spruce]

Does nothing

[hard bramble]

Victory fire is the goat though

[spark spruce]

Use Victory fire

for AOE

[hard bramble]

Hopefully hit 30k stamina / 3k agility soon

I want to go back to using the ox meta because it's so funny

[spark spruce]

Im a Locust guy

im at 100+ Crit with it

[hard bramble]

Locus is extremely good and I should use that too I think

but Ox is just so funny because the absorb shield is unbreakale

so I pop it and go afk

[primal pine]

outlaw with roll = broken....

outlaw with roll in retail when???

[spark spruce]

Btw

The chicken Back

is so god damn epic

[primal pine]

:O

[hard bramble]

Yeah it rules

[spark spruce]

@eternal pagoda Do you already have it?

https://www.wowhead.com/item=221816/halfhill-farmers-backpack

[hard bramble]

Hell yeah, mastery two-hander

[eternal pagoda]

Noted, will change

[eternal pagoda]

Yeah I'm only missing krasarang wilds and timeless isle achievments

Actually @spark spruce @hard bramble what would I be using for st/AoE?

[spark spruce]

Victory fire

for AOE

does insane DMG

on st its hard

would prolly go for coldfront, to be a bit tankier

if you do raid

[hard bramble]

I don't really bother swapping, it's kinda w/e

lmao, no legendary spool from killing the final mogu'shan boss today

sad

[strong roost]

which spec you guys playing btw

[spark spruce]

Feral/bEar

[silk yacht]

rogue

[hard bramble]

big bear

[strong roost]

[silk yacht]

out of every rogue spec, sin has been the easiest damage ever lol

[eternal pagoda]

Yep

[strong roost]

i'll give it a try, i feel like something's missing with sub for some reason

[silk yacht]

sin just scales better with all the stats u can get

esp mastery

outlaw just feels slightly off without tier set

and sub is sub

[hard bramble]

Don't sleep on the daily ToT trove scenario: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/468124640091439105/1243122389022150657/image.png?ex=66505371&is=664f01f1&hm=8ef22be64a0844a7af86dfc12b0e6fe8d5ee1467e1631374834e4b9b1ace0126&

[spark spruce]

Ye

But they buffed that too

i did it yesterday

and it didnt give that much

[primal pine]

DOOR OF SHADOWS IS BACK LETS-A GOOOOOOOOOOOO

[hard bramble]

@spark spruce Trying to do a Terrac eHeroic pug and nobody is killing the add, then the lead just starts kicking people who die. Including me, because nobody is killing the add

[spark spruce]

Kek

[hard bramble]

I wish people wouldn't be so obsessed with ward that they ignore the one mechanic that makes the fight doable

[spark spruce]

I mean ward doesnt do shit

[hard bramble]

Ye

[spark spruce]

When the Boss has 2 Billion life

[hard bramble]

If we just did the mechanic it would've been super chill because we had the damage

[spark spruce]

Like you have off like 500 million

At max

[fleet shuttle]

Chowchow?

[primal pine]

idr. was alliance tho

not really helpful ik

Mods, ban Li Li for meta gaming plz

[spark spruce]

Waterfalls are just a lose lsoe situation in Gaming

People say its lazy to put something behind it

and People are disappointed when there isnt somehting behind it

[primal pine]

im the second one lol

I never not check behind them

im gonna bring Li Li to the world boss

I'm going to teach her how to kill

I forgot how sassy she is

I'd play shadowlands remix ( assuming Threads of Fate were available)

(and the obv changes)

[hard bramble]

@spark spruce uh

that was first boss of mogushan LFR lmao

[spark spruce]

How big was this guy

wtf

[primal pine]

is that pop-out menu new?

[spark spruce]

i mean ilvl

[hard bramble]

476 so I imagine he's full 556 or something

[spark spruce]

But that one is a frogger

[hard bramble]

Yeah, no question

[spark spruce]

Apperantly

200K Stamina is cap

[hard bramble]

He did Mogushan LFR in under 5 minutes

Haha

[eternal pagoda]

For some reason it is

[primal pine]

I love how when my main gauche procs, everything within 12 yards dies

I'll just be fighting and boom

dead

peak wow

retail cant even compete on its best day

[hard bramble]

sad

it doesn't go higher

[hard bramble]

Did 8 class armour sets today. So 4 left to do tomrorow. Just via running all LFG activities (LFR / Dungeons / Scenarios) for the 500 bronze, plus bronze from the drops. And a normal terrace and heroic mogushan. Pretty chill, all things considered. If i keep this up for 4 more days, I can buy everything I want and be done.

[spark spruce]

btw

gestalt

hailstorm is banging too

[hard bramble]

Yeah? I was trying that for a bit

Kinda tempted to swap memory of vengance for it 'cos it doesn't seem like much agi

whereas MORE DAMAGE is good

[spark spruce]

first boss HoF

[drowsy crest]

Can I sim mop remix classes.

To find the best dps in this mode.

[spark spruce]

yes you can sim

[drowsy crest]

where

[spark spruce]

Raidbots

But you ahve to fill out the empty spaces

[hard bramble]

hell yeah

[fleet shuttle]

rofl we did mythic seige

takes 6 mins for a boss

same rewward as normal

and a normal boss you can blast in 20s

completely not worth

what were they thinking

[past kindle]

the additional gems and threads rly make a diffrence if you invest time

esp. the gems once you can combine them to max

give a lot of stamina

[fleet shuttle]

ye i already have max gems

but im saying mythic is far less efficient for threads/bronze than normal

it drops the same

[spark spruce]

Gems are whatever

[eternal pagoda]

got it!

[opal quartz]

any consensus on which rogue spec is performing best in remix?

[eternal pagoda]

Frog rogues

But it seems assa is doing quite alright

[silk yacht]

sin scales better with all the secondaries

same gear but gemming for the specific specs
sin is just more consistently higher dps

[eternal pagoda]

I was feeling good today pulling 300 to 500k dps

And then I looked up

[silk yacht]

lol

[eternal pagoda]

And watched a guy doing 1.5M

[silk yacht]

i pull 700k-1m burst, and in downtime 400-500k

st

as sin

[eternal pagoda]

Exactly

[silk yacht]

sub and outlaw sitting at 300-400k in downtime

[eternal pagoda]

[silk yacht]

dots just double dip with all the tinkers as well

[eternal pagoda]

And never running out of energy also pretty cool

[silk yacht]

ye

[eternal pagoda]

And the back to back muti env

[silk yacht]

150% mastery rn non frogger

460 gear

[eternal pagoda]

I'm at 110 but I'm not stacking mastery alone

Oof

[silk yacht]

chest and legs have mastery

like 3 full crit rings, and a mix of haste and crit on the rest

[eternal pagoda]

I have vers aswell

Like 30%

[silk yacht]

i have 30% passively

like 37? i think

non gemmed

[eternal pagoda]

I believe I'm at 40% CRIT, 30% haste, 110 mastery and 30 vers

Something like that

I'm honestly not min maxing at all

I just want to buy tusks next and that's it, got everything else I wanted

[silk yacht]

im just pumping all my bronze into gear for now

[eternal pagoda]

I bought so many mounts and tmog

[silk yacht]

lol

ill eventually buy stuff

[eternal pagoda]

Like 20 mounts including Sha of anger one

[silk yacht]

if i really wanted to get stuff

id play my shaman as well

who has like almost full epics

[eternal pagoda]

So I might have spent like... 70 to 100k in mounts

[silk yacht]

from the mail bug

[eternal pagoda]

I have no idea what bug that was but sounds fun

[silk yacht]

dungeons were dropping epic mail gear for a while

im actually pretty lucky in that i got a bunch before they fixed it

and then when i leveled my rogue i got like 3 epics

while leveling

lol

[eternal pagoda]

Meanwhile I've never seen one drop

[silk yacht]

lol yea

[eternal pagoda]

Got my gear blue at 376(?) or something

[elder heath]

[green quiver]

Jesus its about time

[elder heath]

of course this is after I did them today

[green quiver]

So how much does an average hc dungeon give now?

[elder heath]

dont think they buffed the amount the dungeon gives but just the daily quest/queues

[silk yacht]

just the bronze cache daily reward

[green quiver]

People have started hitting cloak cap

200k threads

[lime sinew]

I think I am at 11k

[hard bramble]

A real good change, hell yeh

[past kindle]

probably assassination, but once you get very strong spec stops to matter

[robust lotus]

anyone got any new threads farm tech

[spark spruce]

Wdym

Trash?

[robust lotus]

just where to farm threads now

[fleet shuttle]

i think this means they wont nerf costs

more easily start purchasing upgrades

[hard bramble]

Yeah, I think buffing bronze gain is fine instead of nerfing costs (and this is a good start)
but buff it more

It's like.. an easy 12 - 13k per day with minimal effort now.

[fleet shuttle]

idk

2-3h a day

isnt "minimal effort"

[hard bramble]

2 - 3 hours???

It's a Heroic dungeon, a heroic scenario, a normal dungeon, a normal scenario, and 1 raidfinder wing

Are DPS queues that bad?

[fleet shuttle]

15-30 mins

ye

[hard bramble]

Okay that's terrible.

Let me rephrease: minimal effort for tanks. Terrible for everyone else.

They should make the world bosses count for the raid daily.

[fleet shuttle]

the 476 guys in my guild are doing a heroic world tour anyway

every day

i tag along to get boosted

[hard bramble]

Nice, I need to do a heroic world tour but gonna wait until it's the final thing left.

[eternal pagoda]

That sounds

So goddamn boring

[spark spruce]

Just be a Class that can sign up as all

i did all the queues now in 15 minutes

Granted im a druid

[hard bramble]

Basically, lmao

Or know someone who'll queue with you

Which I'm doing for some buddies atm, and every morning for a while.

[spark spruce]

Beefy mfer

[hard bramble]

that's a raid boss

Seems like everyone is shifting to 3 of every stat in everything

[spark spruce]

I do that too

[jagged flare]

full mastery

[hard bramble]

Haha

[jagged flare]

to the ends of the world

[hard bramble]

I did maange to get 30k Haste earlier which made my DoT's stick every 0.2s

[spark spruce]

isnt 36K 100% dr?

[jagged flare]

no idea havent gotten there

i only play on weekends kinda

[hard bramble]

Just took all my gems out.

Stats still insane

[spark spruce]

Doesnt seems like it

[fleet shuttle]

haste cap is like

125% or something

i do em like this

fuck haste

[hard bramble]

Haha

[spark spruce]

boss times rn in heroic msv

without ward

[hard bramble]

I was in a group earlier without one, and those match mine haha

Locus of power or just oblviion sphere and everybody doing 1m+ DPS

Also no healers

[spark spruce]

elegon

[hard bramble]

[spark spruce]

Damn

Cleared Tot hc

wasnt that easy tbh

2 hours

not bad tbh

[hard bramble]

How much bronze?

Dark Animus telling a story, haha

[spark spruce]

22k

The tot

I think like 40-45k

For all

Crane farm dropped

But idk about that farm tbh

[strong roost]

yes (i have no idea what i'm doing)

[hard bramble]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/necklace-rings-and-trinket-unlocks-now-account-wide-in-remix-mists-of-pandaria-341856?webhook

hell yes

[eternal pagoda]

NICE!

(i don't play alts)

[hard bramble]

big, massive, same. lmao.

[eternal pagoda]

wait

WAIT

let me think

..........

LvL10 with 15 legendary jewels?!

[hard bramble]

👀

[silk yacht]

they wont matter

lol

u one shot everything til like 30

and then 2 shot

just 6 leggo gems is enough to hyper carry queued content

[eternal pagoda]

whats the minimum level to enter raids, all of them, 25?=

[silk yacht]

25

for msv

40 for heart?

its like 25 40 50 60

or something

[eternal pagoda]

can they join HC

?

[silk yacht]

i imagine u can just zone into heroic raids

maybe not

heroic is 70

i havent tested just zoning into things pre level

[eternal pagoda]

because having lvl 25s carrying due to gems woudl be pretty good

(for non frog abusers)

[silk yacht]

u can carry all normal raids at the appropriate unlock level

assuming u also are upgrading gear

[hard bramble]

Heroic doesn't scale iirc

So everything is 70

[eternal pagoda]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/extreme-frog-farmers-will-have-cloak-nerfed-today-non-frog-farmers-will-get-40k-341860?webhook

cheers

[silk yacht]

L froggers

cant wait for people to still call me a frogger

even when i havent touched any

[hard bramble]

Ye, I get called it a lot and I ddi 2k charms worth lmao

Most of mine is from HoF / just playing.

40k to everybody is great 'cos those who did turbofrog will already be done with the event.

[silk yacht]

all of mine is alt + all achieves and quests

and doing normal raids with guild

[hard bramble]

So it's a good solution.

[silk yacht]

pov of doing good damage because u just spend all ur bronze on gear upgrades doing lfr queues to pass the time

[hard bramble]

Hahaah, yeah

[spark spruce]

I farmed a bit today

[green quiver]

yal mfs crazy

[eternal pagoda]

Right?!

[lime sinew]

I just don’t have the time

[eternal pagoda]

Same

And if I had, I wouldn't want

[elder heath]

how many epic items typically drop from runs of the normal raid

[hard bramble]

Powerful

[hard bramble]

None, in my experience.

[elder heath]

damn

[eternal pagoda]

I believe they are HC+

[elder heath]

Does this finally end the frog saga

[eternal pagoda]

Maybe

Who knows

[spark spruce]

Idk

My cloak was like

10% from frogs

i got the 100K

almost without frogs

[eternal pagoda]

The comment xDDD

[distant briar]

ye, based af

[past kindle]

tbh its not too bad

frog farming gave a lot of bronze, they keep that

[eternal pagoda]

Most of them 500+

[past kindle]

ye

it is not as much of a loss as people assume

[eternal pagoda]

But if I get to receive the 40k too I'll be probably reaching 400ilvl items

[past kindle]

main loss is the thread from cloak

also only extreme farmers get punished?

[eternal pagoda]

Supposedly

I wonder what "extreme farmers" mean

[hard bramble]

Unsure what the extreme metric will be, but I think the approach is pretty good.

[past kindle]

i think its a good solution still

[hard bramble]

Nobody is really being punished, 'cos the people who did massive frog farms are basically 'done' anyway.

[past kindle]

the best approach they could have done

[hard bramble]

Lifting everybody else up instead.

[past kindle]

is a exclusive mount for people who played more than 2 days in the mode

for everyone who did not farm frogs in that group

[hard bramble]

Bufo mount

[past kindle]

that would have made people re-consider the exploits

[eternal pagoda]

I honestly am also pretty much done with the event lol.
19 more garrosh normal kills and I'll buy tusks

[past kindle]

because they actively lost soemthing

[eternal pagoda]

Bro a frog mount

[past kindle]

ye

make it cragua

and make it huge

[eternal pagoda]

"endangered species froggy"

[past kindle]

https://www.wowhead.com/npc=120551/kragwa-the-huge

[hard bramble]

Haaah

[floral glade]

I did 3 hours and am sitting there like

Gimme the 40k blizz I wanna gear up more

[eternal pagoda]

SAME

[floral glade]

My current stats aren’t too crazy so I’m hopeful

[spark spruce]

???

[floral glade]

They’re gonna kill you

With hammers

[spark spruce]

I did 2 hours

of frog

[floral glade]

I opened a lot of my boxes at 63

Like a moron

[fleet shuttle]

whats funny is

my guildy wont be rollbacked

he didnt touch frogs

xD

now he gets 40k bronze for being good boi

[hard bramble]

Hell yeah

He stays winning

[spark spruce]

How

[fleet shuttle]

bug farm for like 30 hours then 10x hall of fear solo trash clears every hour and bug farm in between

[spark spruce]

bug farm?

[fleet shuttle]

frogs were never good for cloak

it was good bronze/hr

but worse threads than other methods

bug farm was primo threads

[spark spruce]

HoF i did

[fleet shuttle]

doing loops of this

in between HoF lockouts

(its been nerfed)

now its just hc raid world tours + dailies

the secret to big cloak is just play a fuck ton

[eternal pagoda]

It seems the 40k quest is live

my paladin tank friend got it

i dont see anything there.

"For everyone that did not take advantage of the frog farming, we’re providing three additional quests with large Bronze rewards for reaching levels 50, 60, and 70."

So if you kill some frogs you fucked?

[distant lark]

my cloak just got reset

to 2500

[eternal pagoda]

how do you "count" it?

[distant lark]

what do u mean?

my main stat

is 2500

from 9k

[dreamy skiff]

yeah

i got hit too

[hard bramble]

Same

[distant lark]

lol its a joke i think they jsut looked at anyone that touched frogs

[hard bramble]

And I barely did any of it

[distant lark]

no matteer fo how long

[hard bramble]

2k charms was enough to get hit lmao

[distant lark]

they didnt touch any of my gear

inb4 they start complaining about that on the forums

[dreamy skiff]

i had only 1k charms

[floral glade]

Yeah same, I got 600 in each stat for the frogs and was at around 2.5k-3k for each (due to dal farm later) and they flat nerfed to 2.5k

No great loss since I got 100k bronze from it, but this was badly done

[distant lark]

i think if u get anotherr character that didnt do frogs

to 70

u can get the queset

[spark spruce]

i farmed 70K threads

in between Frog and now

Each world boss kill

is just worthless

[dreamy skiff]

wtf were u doin for that many threads

[floral glade]

Looks like in total I lost
414 strength
873 crit
276 mastery
324 vers

[distant lark]

i lost about 7500 mains stat

[floral glade]

not great not terrible, the gear upgrades from the bronze outweighed it

[distant lark]

idk about thee other stats

[dreamy skiff]

i didn't even get 40k from the fuckin frogs

why am i excluded lol

[distant lark]

cuse u touched it

u killed any frogs

u are a frogger

[dreamy skiff]

i mean if their flag is literally a range of 100+ = ur a frogger

yueah i guess

[spark spruce]

Current cloak

[dreamy skiff]

i shoulda stuck around for 10 more hours

[spark spruce]

i dont want to relog

[dreamy skiff]

and been literally doner

[distant lark]

funny cuse cloak doest even matte

hor much is 40k

[dreamy skiff]

where did u farm this many btw

[distant lark]

4 wep upgrades

[spark spruce]

HoF

and daily queues

and emta achievements

[dreamy skiff]

oh did you farm the trash

[spark spruce]

ye

[dreamy skiff]

lmao

well thankfully i only lost about 3k threads

but

still

[floral glade]

looks like I lost 1,887 threads, so about 10 greater spools

honestly 1 day of spool lost isn't too bad

[dreamy skiff]

good thing after the buff to the daily rewards it's 66 days of dailies just for ur gear

if only froggers didn't have theirs maxxed

https://i.imgur.com/ku14JO2.png

"those players will see the power of their Cloak of Infinite Potential reduced to an amount that a very engaged player could reasonably achieve."

[distant lark]

lol

[dreamy skiff]

im too engaged i guess

[spark spruce]

"very engaged"

[dreamy skiff]

im actually playing their fuckin' mode

[distant lark]

wtf is an average player

someone that logs on once a week?

[dreamy skiff]

0/0/0/0/0/0 on all stats i guess

lmao

[ruby sinew]

got quests but cloak nuked

Gg go next

[dreamy skiff]

I got the quests on my alt

[floral glade]

Nice

[dreamy skiff]

but I didn't even get 40k from teh frogs

[distant lark]

oh nice

[hard bramble]

I gained, uh.. probably 500 threads from frog farming? And I've lost a metric shit ton of stats I gained from other activities

Absolute bullshit lmao

[distant lark]

fastest way to get mounts is to level 70s

[hard bramble]

No not even 500, it would've been 200 threads at most

[floral glade]

I got 120k from the frogs, and exalted with all reps, so I'm not even mad.
Just glad I saved most of my charms, lmao

[silk yacht]

im a good boy

[dreamy skiff]

idk

bad taste in my mouth

[spark spruce]

Ye

[dreamy skiff]

i was farming warbringers for like 4 hrs with my friends

why am i being punished

do they not want me to do that

[floral glade]

What's hilarious is if you didn't spend your charms this didn't effect you

[hard bramble]

All this does is demonstrate that you should go as hard as possible on any grind and get asmuch done as possible

Because merely touching it will get you punished, so you may as well go the whole way

[dreamy skiff]

yep

[ruby sinew]

exploit early exploit often

[hard bramble]

Yep

[green quiver]

nah

shouldve exploited hard enough to get 2500 of each stat

and then stopped

[hard bramble]

Haha

[dreamy skiff]

thats the thing

[green quiver]

actually nah bronze gear upgrades

[ruby sinew]

cloak stats are irrelevant,

[dreamy skiff]

the vast majority of mine is from farming other shit

[green quiver]

[spark spruce]

Ye

Most of my cloak was other farming

[ruby sinew]

if you exploited hard enough you are mad chilling 450 ilvl

[spark spruce]

idk

[green quiver]

anyway

[dreamy skiff]

only 450?

weak.

[distant lark]

i meaen theres still like 80 days

of this garbage

[dreamy skiff]

i mean

the point tho

[green quiver]

hope people enjoy doing 1bil dps in a gamemode thats made to get cosmetics

i got my mounts and now i can dip

[ruby sinew]

i mean im only like 390 lol

[green quiver]

[dreamy skiff]

is that if you were only gonna play with the dailies

its 66 days

of dailies

just to get ur gear

or

12 hrs of frogs

lol

[distant lark]

ya i spend all mine on upgrrading gear

[ruby sinew]

worst part is shado pan rep is bugged and is still on a weekly lockout yet you can run throne everyday

[dreamy skiff]

my friend mathed it out bc he misunderstood the buff the other night

[ruby sinew]

so im stuck at like 3400/6000 friendly bc it wont give me any rep

[floral glade]

They fixed stromkar fearing trolls

No more TOT cheese

sadge

[silk yacht]

very engaged with not giga hyper spawn farming strats, so around this level of cape

what is ther esult people are seeing from the nerfs?

[dreamy skiff]

what rank of cloak is that

[ruby sinew]

everything is 2500 flat

[dreamy skiff]

you can see it if you have narcissus

[ruby sinew]

also try relogging

[ruby sinew]

mine didnt update until i relogged

[ruby sinew]

ur shit got reset and u didnt even have every stat past the caps they set lmao thats tough

[silk yacht]

ah much lower than i expected to see

[hard bramble]

They really managed to completely fuck this up, lmao

Should've been such an easy win but all they'll have achieved is making people more likely to abuse this shit.

[dreamy skiff]

only lost about 2,106 threads

[ruby sinew]

shoulda just set everyone up to 25000 instead of nerfing people down

[spark spruce]

i was able to get the quest

for the 40K

[ruby sinew]

can still do the bronze for the non froggers

[dreamy skiff]

or

lower upgrade costs by like 95%

thankfully

it is only a character flag

[silk yacht]

shrug, the biggest issue was people expecting froggers to do everything for them (the small amount of groups requiring frogs for invites), and 2500 all stats doesnt cover that.

those sorts of people will still exist as long as frog level capes existed

i dont necessarily agree with how they nerfed thing but

[dreamy skiff]

so alts do get it

[silk yacht]

the 40k? yes

[dreamy skiff]

yeah, thankfully it's not an account flag

is all i mean

[silk yacht]

its not necesssarily compensation

its milestone rewards

[dreamy skiff]

nah i only had 1k coins from it

that's like

what

13k bronze